[00:00] <frugi> is there a release party channel around ?
[00:00] <franciel> ! ldap ssh
[00:00] <wizards> ? party channel ? what is it? :D
[00:00] <IdleOne> !party
[00:01] <KM0201> !party
[00:01] <itaylor57> frugi: #ubuntu-release=party
[00:01]  * KM0201 glares..
[00:01] <jpk> escott: It's the new one.  The old one is still on the disk, but commented out in /etc/fstab, and isn't listed in swapon -s anymore.
[00:02] <Zahrada> I tried booking this band, but for some absolutely bonkers reason, they're not within my budget range: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
[00:03] <prakas> how many days a ubuntu system booting from a usb pen drive last considering such a drive has a fixed number of write cycles.
[00:03] <IdleOne> Zahrada: Please don't post irrelevant links in here
[00:04] <timdot> prakas.. quite some time still, i'd imagine
[00:04] <harrihu> Hello
[00:04] <harrihu> again
[00:04] <Zahrada> I mispasted IdleOne.
[00:05] <IdleOne> Zahrada: odd you wqould mispaste a rickroll
[00:05] <IdleOne> would*
[00:05] <IdleOne> Zahrada: anyway please keep comments Ubuntu support related.
[00:06] <kyle____> lease install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution - that is what it says when i try to run the installer for my audio driver
[00:06] <kyle____> E: Unable to locate package kernel-headers-2.6.35-28-generic-pae
[00:06] <kyle____> how do i fix this?
[00:07] <prakas> timdot: i am not writing to any directory. just using the machine as a nat gateway
[00:07] <Zahrada> It's true though. I'm part of a ngo that's organising a music festival in my local town...
[00:07] <Zahrada> for unicef
[00:08] <timdot> prakas: i'd imagine a good few years - i may be wrong though and it's impossible to predict exactly
[00:08] <prakas> hmm
[00:08] <harrihu> Sorry to be a bother but I'm having issues connecting to wifi on ubuntu 10 something with my netgear pci 802.11g wifi card. It shows a wifi symbol up near the clock in the corner with a red ! and has grayed out wired connection thing in the list and doesn't acknowledge wifi there. I can set wifi settings but at no point does it give me the option to connect.
[00:08] <zvacet> kyle____: install headers from synaptic	
[00:08] <fero> cf
[00:08] <kyle____> it says they are installed
[00:08] <prakas> is there a way to clone this usb pen drive incase it fails?so that i can use the other pen drive to boot
[00:09] <zvacet> kyle____: this specific package kernel-headers-2.6.35-28-generic-pae
[00:09] <pindropper> harrihu: i was having similar problems. i updated using the update manager... and now it works fine.
[00:09] <tactix> question: shouldn't the command "lsmod" and "modprobe -l" give the same output for loaded modules?
[00:09] <pooltable> 11.4 come out on 28 apr 2011 right at what time midnight edt ???
[00:09] <timdot> prakas: yeah, you can use the 'dd' command for that
[00:09] <kyle____> yes
[00:09] <jpk> prakas: `man dd` might help you.
[00:09] <escott> jpk, was thinking that maybe resume was trying to load a stale image from the old swap partition
[00:09] <prakas> hmmm ty
[00:09] <harrihu> pindropper it's not hooked up to the internet
[00:09] <Pici> pooltable: Natty is not yet released and there is no predetermined time on the 28th when it will be. Await the release in #ubuntu-release-party or for more questions join #ubuntu+1
[00:10] <zvacet> kyle____: sory then I can help you
[00:10] <zvacet> *can not
[00:10] <harrihu> but thanks for the suggestion pin
[00:10] <pooltable> pici just wonder fit it had a set time thanks
[00:10] <pooltable> it
[00:10] <LinSteveH> I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 and I am trying to do an nfs mount from  a NAS that cannot do nfs4.  My mount fails, and when I put -vvvvv as a flag, I see that the out put says, "mount.nfs: mount(2): Connection refused
[00:10] <pindropper> harrihu: theres your problem then. if the internets not on but your wifi is... strange as it is, at least in my experience, ubuntu refuses to connect
[00:10] <LinSteveH> mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'vers=4,addr=192.168.10.41,clientaddr=192.168.10.80'" before it fails.   How do I get it NOT to use nfs4??
[00:11] <gedas> guys, I couldn't find the answer on ubuntu formus, and I am not trolling. Do you think ok-smelling sandwitches are still ok to eat after staying for a day in room temperature (version - smoked ham, ubuntu 10.10). (I just read the IRC guidelines, they didn't seem to forbid this)
[00:11] <harrihu> no no it's not connecting to the router not just the internet
[00:11] <harrihu> I'm on a windows machine now
[00:11] <pooltable> how long will 10.10 wil have support ???/
[00:11] <ohzie> gedas: We don't troubleshoot sandwiches. :(
[00:11] <gedas> ahh, sorry about that, i'll have to find a more suitable room to ask:(
[00:11] <cybrhuman> gedas: eat the before they eat you
[00:12] <pindropper> harrihu: thats what i said, if the routers not connected to the internet, ubuntu sometimes wont connect to your wifi either.
[00:12] <RandomAndGone> Does anyone know when 11.4 goes live? It's the 28th in London.
[00:12] <harrihu> The router is connected to the internet thats how I'm on
[00:12] <zvacet> pooltable: 18 months
[00:12] <zzecool> it 28th in Greece too :P
[00:12] <IdleOne> !party | RandomAndGone
[00:12] <pindropper> harrihu: you might also want to try and do "edit connections" and add one in manually and try.
[00:13] <jpk> escott: Ah, I see.  I figure it's something like that.  I just haven't yet been able to find where/how the thing that resumes finds the stuff in swap to verify that it's looking in the right place.
[00:13] <pindropper> harrihu: is your wireless network a hidden one by any chance? try create new wireless, or hidden wireless connection and see if that helps
[00:13] <harrihu> There is nothing wrong with the wifi router it's all with the linux machine
[00:14] <pindropper> harrihu: read my previous two suggestions
[00:14] <harrihu> if there was something wrong with the router I wouldn't be able to connect on this other pc
[00:14] <harrihu> thanks for the suggestions pindropper
[00:14] <harrihu> looking into it
[00:14] <yuanye> i want to change the close botton of chrome to the right
[00:14] <yuanye> for help
[00:15] <pindropper> i am trying to figure out a way to execute a command on a double key press. Is this at all possible through bash? The keyboard shortcut mappings don't provide a way to capture double key presses.
[00:15] <LinSteveH> I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 and I am trying to do an nfs mount from a NAS that cannot do nfs4. My mount fails, and when I put -vvvvv as a flag, I see that the out put says, "mount.nfs: mount(2): Connection refused	mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'vers=4,addr=192.168.10.41,clientaddr=192.168.10.80'" before it fails. How do I get it NOT to use nfs4??
[00:15] <harrihu> wireless network is not hidden and I did try adding one manually
[00:15] <pindropper> harrihu: and...?
[00:15] <harrihu> it never even gives me the button "connect"
[00:16] <harrihu> it just gives me an add button and ok
[00:16] <harrihu> and a delete etc
[00:16] <harrihu> I never see the network listed and it's not hidden
[00:16] <prakas> will dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb copy the entire file systems in sda to sdb with boot sectors preserved?
[00:16] <harrihu> I don't think the wifi card works with the OS
[00:16] <pindropper> harrihu: does it even attempt to connect? you know once you've added the network... does it try to connect?
[00:17] <cybrhuman> prakas: think so
[00:17] <harrihu> nope
[00:17] <prakas> considering sda and sdb are usb removable disks (pen drives)
[00:17] <pindropper> harrihu: did it ever work?
[00:17] <harrihu> nope
[00:17] <KM0201> harrihu: what device is it, do you know?
[00:17] <LinSteveH> harrihu: What does the output look like with "iwconfig wlan0"?
[00:18] <pindropper> harrihu: ah . in that case there is a very good chance you need proprietary drivers. which you wont know until you connect. you might want to try connecting through a lan cable and get it to work.
[00:18] <escott> jpk, but from what you said it appears that is not happening
[00:18] <harrihu> whats iwconfig wlan0?
[00:18] <robert05ad> iwconfig is like ifconfig but for wireless I believe
[00:18] <LinSteveH> harrihu: it is a comman line.
[00:19] <robert05ad> iwconfig wlan0 will tell you the status of wlan0
[00:19] <harrihu> ok
[00:19] <harrihu> well it's almost impossible to get this machine hooked up wired
[00:19] <harrihu> I could try but if theres any other way
[00:19] <robert05ad> what problem you have with wired?
[00:20] <harrihu> the router is upstairs very far away from the box with no plugs and this box is built into a home theater system
[00:20] <pooltable> where is a place to buy ubuntu 11.4 ???
[00:20] <robert05ad> ah ok
[00:20] <pindropper> harrihu: i know.. its a bit of a fix if you have problems with wired. but really, ubuntu will notify you of possible problems or updates once you connect. maybe a phone/usb/3g/edge sharing , even for 10 mins might help.
[00:20] <LinSteveH> harrihu: If you getnoting useful from iwconfig, do a google with "{name of wifi card} +ubuntu +driver +download"
[00:21] <robert05ad> pooltable, check ubuntu's website, they have resellers
[00:21] <cybrhuman> pooltable: there is no need to buy it, just download it when it is released
[00:21] <harrihu> hmm you know what I'll give it a try
[00:21] <LinSteveH> harrihu: getnoting==get nothing
[00:21] <robert05ad> when you type iwconfig wlan0 what do you get?
[00:21] <harrihu> I have a usb wifi stick and if that fails I'll take the time to get the computer up there
[00:21] <zvacet> pooltable: https://shop.canonical.com/
[00:22] <robert05ad> running in vmware? ?
[00:22] <harrihu> one moment robert05ad I'll try that.
[00:22] <LinSteveH> I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 and I am trying to do an nfs mount from a NAS that cannot do nfs4. My mount fails, and when I put -vvvvv as a flag, I see that the out put says, "mount.nfs: mount(2): Connection refused	mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'vers=4,addr=192.168.10.41,clientaddr=192.168.10.80'" before it fails. How do I get it NOT to use nfs4??
[00:23] <pooltable> zvacet i just see 10.10 i want 11.4
[00:23] <LinSteveH> I;ve heard that 10* is a little buggy in nfs.  Does anyone concur?
[00:23] <robert05ad> oh oh Lin, I know that answer... but not off the top of my head lol it's a mount option but i forget
[00:23] <cybrhuman> pooltable: 11.04 isn't released yet as far as I know
[00:23] <robert05ad> I just removed my ubuntu from my VM machine so I cant help to remember it lol
[00:23] <robert05ad> waiting on 11.04
[00:23] <rww> cybrhuman: correct
[00:24] <robert05ad> none are released yet
[00:24] <pooltable> cybrhuman i see
[00:24] <LinSteveH> robert05ad: I have "nfs" not "nfs4" as my mount type.
[00:24] <dibs> Hey all. I'm out in New Zealand and it's the 28th, how do I get from Mav to Natty?
[00:24] <top_ramen> can someone help me real quick. I think i am doing something wrong with setting up my live USB
[00:24] <robert05ad> right lin
[00:24] <rww> dibs: It's not released yet.
[00:24] <LinSteveH> top_ramen: Whatcha doing?
[00:25] <robert05ad> shoot regretting removing it now..
[00:25] <prakas> top_ramen: just put a regular cd and install to the usb disk
[00:25] <robert05ad> try man mount
[00:25] <zvacet> pooltable: 11.04 will be out today so you will have chance to buy it
[00:25] <dibs> rww: But it's supposed to be out today yeah?
[00:25] <robert05ad> yeah Dibs
[00:25] <robert05ad> few hours yet
[00:25] <rww> dibs: It's due out some time in the period that it's April 28th somewhere in the world.
[00:25] <top_ramen> I but 10.10 on a usb and use the usb install exe thats on the ubuntu.com/download page to set the usb up
[00:25] <zvacet> dibs: depends on time zone  :)
[00:25] <pooltable> here another location for al http://distrowatch.com/
[00:25] <pooltable> all
[00:26] <dibs> sweet, anyone know where a countdown is
[00:26] <prakas> i use 7.04 fiesty fawn lol
[00:26] <robert05ad> when 10 came out we were all sitting in here until like 2 am lol, (central time)
[00:26] <top_ramen> but my computer is not recongizing it as a bootable usb
[00:26] <rww> dibs: There is no set time, hence no countdown.
[00:26] <dibs> dammit, I was hoping to get an hour or two down time while I upgrade. Gah, will have to get back to work
[00:26] <jpk> escott: I guess what I mean is some resume code goes, "let's see if there's an image in the old swap partition... oh, wait, it's not there anymore.  Oh well, just do a normal boot."  Then later on when something looks at the new swap partition, it sees an image in there and goes, "What's this crap?  We're doing a normal boot."  Then clears it out.  Or something.  My biggest enemy, here, is I don't know how resume works yet. :-P
[00:27] <robert05ad> lol dibs
[00:27] <dibs> Is upgrding using the update-manager -d risky? like it will use the same repo yeah?
[00:27] <LinSteveH> top_ramen: I think that you need to explicitly copy the 0th sector from the cd (cdimage) to the usb.
[00:27] <pooltable> what time was 10.10 out ?
[00:27] <top_ramen> Lin, ummm what?
[00:27] <escott> jpk, did you leave the old swap partition unchanged, you could write a new filesystem on top of it
[00:27] <uncmar> 3 in the morning  Next stupid question.
[00:27] <prakas> i still prefer 7.04 lol
[00:27] <top_ramen> uncmar, whats your name?
[00:27] <dibs> Anyone got Mark's number, let's take this to the top
[00:28] <prakas> it is more lightweight
[00:28] <prakas> 10.10 takes a lot of time to load
[00:28] <robert05ad> hey Lin, did you try mount -t nfs option?
[00:28] <rww> !party
[00:28] <uncmar> 10.10 = 10 of 2010 or October.
[00:28] <robert05ad> instead of -t nfs4
[00:29] <LinSteveH> top_ramen: I think that you need to do "dd if={cd|cdimage} of={usb location} count=1
[00:29] <uncmar> top_ramen: my name is annoyed beyond belief, so.. Um.  wann come stay in my area.  we got lots of tornadoes to go, round and round fer ya.
[00:29] <pooltable> no what time of the day ?
[00:29] <_chun> join #python
[00:29] <_chun> whoops
[00:29] <pooltable> i know 11.4= 2011 apr
[00:29] <zvacet> uncmar: 10.10= october 2010
[00:29] <top_ramen> uncmar, I am in kansas... im good lol
[00:30] <Alterno> Hia
[00:30] <Alterno> Banshee media player won't play files
[00:30] <LinSteveH> robert05ad: Yes, I did...it still tries to force vers=4 onto the commandline.
[00:30] <Alterno> Banshee media player won't play files, remains idle, why ?
[00:30] <zvacet> uncmar: sorry it is 2010 october
[00:31] <Alterno> Banshee media player won't play files, remains idle, why ?
[00:31] <jpk> escott: Yeah, besides unmounting/swapoff'ing it, I left it alone.
[00:31] <uncmar> 6.06 should have come out on 6.6.6  It would have been a triplet but  more impressive, 6-6 1947? was Doomsday.
[00:31] <uncmar> Or rather, D-Day.
[00:31] <LinSteveH> Alterno: does any sound program work, or just banshee is busted?
[00:31] <KidDeath> Good evening everyone :)
[00:32] <hiexpo> hey is there a command to flush the cache
[00:32] <uncmar> anyhow. pooltable I don't know what time of day any of the releases where. sorry.
[00:32] <Alterno> just banshee it seems, i have to re import files to ake it work
[00:32] <zvacet> uncmar: little bit of topic don´t you think
[00:32] <uncmar> hiexpo: which cashe?
[00:32] <top_ramen> Lin, can you check your queries
[00:32] <Alterno> just banshee it seems, i have to re import files to make it work
[00:32] <escott> jpk, i don't buy the proposed source of the error you suggested, but if you want to be sure i would make that and ext4 partition
[00:32] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: cache of what?
[00:32] <Alterno> shows idle stats atm
[00:32] <Devil999> hi all
[00:32] <LinSteveH> top_ramen: Queries??
[00:32] <hiexpo> ActionParsnip, my ram
[00:32] <uncmar> zvacet: nope, My 6.06 is currently broken, so right on the topic of why I'm here.
[00:32] <robert05ad> Hello Devil999
[00:33] <top_ramen> Lin, Yeah i sent you a query
[00:33] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: do you mean swap space? If you flush the ram then the system will cease to be
[00:33] <Devil999> how's it going? any news for 11.04?
[00:33] <zvacet> uncmar: why do you use unsupported version
[00:33] <LinSteveH> {blush} not knowing what it was, I closed the tab.
[00:33] <top_ramen> Lin, sent again ^^
[00:33] <zvacet> uncmar: do you use server
[00:33] <uncmar> because it was a running server.  that I didn't want to take time to upgrade.
[00:34] <KidDeath> Why is it when I listen the channels on XChat, I can't join anything? x.x
[00:34] <hiexpo> ActionParsnip, well after like today i had 146.00 gig in ram being used and only have 2 gig ram
[00:34] <uncmar> spending a DAY to upgrade/revive a system from an upgrade attempt stinks.
[00:34] <Alterno> any idea?
[00:34] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: can you give the output of:   free -m
[00:34] <zvacet> uncmar: is there any reason not to upgrade now
[00:34] <uncmar> zvacet: so, I just answered both questions with one answer.
[00:35] <zvacet> uncmar: ok
[00:35] <uncmar> nope, Right out of ubuntu. though I must admint Ubuntu wasn't the reason for the failure.  *I AM*
[00:35] <uncmar> *admit
[00:36] <jpk> escott: Ah, I see.  I'll try that, then.
[00:36] <hiexpo> ActionParsnip, i rebooted so not anymore but here it is  http://pastebin.com/hStiPUnS
[00:36] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: when it's high, rerun it
[00:36] <mjs> hi all...looking for a little hand holding using webmin to configure proftpd...all i want to do is allow a single user (not myself, or anonymous access to my /home/user/Pictures directory?
[00:36] <uncmar> I'd switch to fedora or.. well, I could eventually think of another, but I'm not ready to do a near Complete relearn of tools.
[00:37] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: you are only using 550Mb. You have 1884Mb available and have 1360Mb free
[00:38] <hiexpo> ActionParsnip, yes right now but as i do stuff it will rise maybe takes a day or two
[00:38] <Iker> Hola :)
[00:39] <uncmar> Now I remember why I'm here.
[00:39] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: if its only cache then its fine, unused ram is wasted ram
[00:39] <Afteraffekt> when building from source, and doing autogen.sh is there a way to force, and make it finish, regardless of missing dependancies?
[00:39] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: just watch the right hand value on the "-/+ buffers/cache" line
[00:39] <uncmar> of course I could attempt to poke around the net.  Need to know system requirements of 8.04 Live CD.  I won't dare attempt 9.04 or 10.04
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: that is the actual free ram
[00:40] <uncmar> I'm limited to 256Mb of ram.
[00:40] <pdc> hhhhhhh
[00:40] <linuxman410> need help with my display only has one resolution
[00:40] <fieris> what time is the launch of Ubuntu 11.04 ?
[00:40] <Pici> fieris: Natty is not yet released and there is no predetermined time on the 28th when it will be. Await the release in #ubuntu-release-party or for more questions join #ubuntu+1
[00:40] <fieris> okey thank.!
[00:41] <uncmar> Hmm, it is time for 11.04.  Time flies.  I hadn't give it any thought.
[00:41] <linuxman410> my video is intel 845ge built on board video
[00:41] <KidDeath> Wait.. I haven't been in the loop for a while. 11.04 is launching soon? :o
[00:42] <S-M-Gl> hello, can i update from 10.10 to 11.04 now, or do i have to wait until tomorrow?
[00:42] <uncmar> My upgrade attempt from 8.04 to 10.04 exploded, so I moved over to debian.  Closer to the trunk of the tree for stability.  Low and behold I have another dead ubuntu.
[00:42] <mknarr> KidDeath, it is supposed to launch tomorrow sime thme
[00:42] <mknarr> time*
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> linuxman410: run:  sudo lshw -C display     websearch for the product line to find guides. You may need an xorg.conf to make it work ok
[00:42] <KidDeath> Fascinating, looks like I have something new to play around with. :)
[00:42] <mknarr> :D
[00:42] <linuxman410> can someome tell me how to fix my display
[00:43] <uncmar> the alternates are installs only?
[00:43] <mknarr> drivers
[00:43] <linuxman410> ok
[00:43] <uncmar> linuxman410: in the old days we would just smack the TV harder to fix the display. Or call the TV repair man.
[00:43] <mknarr> lol @ uncmar
[00:44]  * uncmar shuts up.  I've spotted enough ill manorred sarcasm for one day.
[00:46] <w30> uncmar, or go to the hardware store and use their tube tester, which were geared to finding slightly poor tubes so as  to sell more  tubes.
[00:47] <crims0n> hola amigos
[00:47] <LinSteveH> I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 and I am trying to do an nfs mount from a NAS that cannot do nfs4. My mount fails, and when I put -vvvvv as a flag, I see that the out put says, "mount.nfs: mount(2): Connection refused	mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'vers=4,addr=192.168.10.41,clientaddr=192.168.10.80'" before it fails. How do I get it NOT to use nfs4??
[00:47] <LinSteveH> ... and yes, I use -t nfs, NOT -t nfs4.
[00:48] <amalgama> a question : "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" doesnt work anymore???
[00:49] <Pici> amalgama: It works fine here.
[00:49] <botcity> amalgama: say what?..
[00:50] <Vorenii> any idea how long itll take before 11.04 is released?
[00:50] <Pici> !dist-upgrade | make sure you understand what its supposed to do though amalgama
[00:50] <ActionParsnip> !11.04
[00:50] <ActionParsnip> Vorenii: ^
[00:50] <Pici> Vorenii: Natty is not yet released and there is no predetermined time on the 28th when it will be. Await the release in #ubuntu-release-party or for more questions join #ubuntu+1
[00:51] <dam85_> someone use lighttpd ?
[00:51] <amalgama> hmmm... i was using dist-upgrade in order to go from one version to another
[00:52] <amalgama> !upgrade
[00:53] <dam85_> include "/home/lighttpd/vhosts/*/conf/vhost.conf" it's wrong
[00:53] <dam85_> how can i correct it?
[00:53] <dam85_> i have to change *
[00:53] <dam85_> with * I mean all the directories inside there
[00:54] <katsrc> hey, can someone recommend me a good PPA for GIMP 2.7.2?
[00:56] <kaushal> Hi
[00:56] <kaushal> is there a way to know when Ubuntu Server 10.04 LTS has been installed ?
[00:57] <kaushal> on a specific server
[00:57] <Alastaur> when or if?
[00:57] <Alastaur> not sure what  you're asking
[00:58] <kaushal> Alastaur: for desktop we have installer.log
[00:58] <Ziber> In ubuntu, is there any way to sync all files between two folders? As in, I want them to be exactly the same, and they mostly already are. Rather than recopying everything, is there a tool to just recopy whats changed?
[00:58] <NxtGenCowboy> Can someone recommend a good dock (docky,awn,cario-dock,etc)?
[00:58] <Ampelbein> Ziber: rsync can do that
[00:59] <mknarr> NxtGenCowboy, i loke cario-dock
[00:59] <mknarr> like*
[00:59] <Ziber> Ampelbein: hm, thanks
[00:59] <NxtGenCowboy> mknarr, I havent tried that one yet.. the last 2 I tried.. really had a good chunk of bugs when compiz was running
[00:59] <Devil999> Ziber, i use Unison. I think it's simpler, and has GUI. Your choice!
[01:00] <meisth0th> hello
[01:00] <PedroLRNeves> oi
[01:00] <meisth0th> when will 11.04 be available for download?
[01:00] <mknarr> tomorrow some time
[01:00] <Ziber> Devil999: rsync works, thanks tho
[01:00] <mknarr> i mean the 28th*
[01:01] <meisth0th> mknarr, what's the date there?
[01:01] <mknarr> meisth0th, 27 8pm
[01:01] <meisth0th> Thu Apr 28 03:01:20 EEST 2011
[01:01] <sdegutis> hello. i am using some kind of irc client.
[01:02] <Devil999> sdegutis, is that a question?
[01:02] <sdegutis> not really, no.
[01:02] <sdegutis> im writing it, too.
[01:02] <sdegutis> and im using it.
[01:03] <sdegutis> just thought id let you know.
[01:03] <Devil999> ok, then...
[01:03] <mknarr> where is the main premissions file located on ubuntu 10.04
[01:03] <usr13> sdegutis: You sure are.
[01:03] <sdegutis> thanks.
[01:03] <sdegutis> i try.
[01:03] <sdegutis> its not very good though.
[01:03] <Ampelbein> mknarr: can you elaborate? what are you looking for?
[01:03] <sdegutis> but thats ok because its mine.
[01:03] <usr13> sdegutis: Looks like it's working like a charm.
[01:04] <EnderW> Any1 know when 11.04 is coming live?
[01:04] <mknarr> Im looking for the file that holds all of the premissions  and or user group info
[01:04] <sdegutis> well, you arent on this side of it.
[01:04] <sdegutis> on this side its pretty crappy.
[01:04] <Ph0n7r1c> hi can someone tell me how i can get synaptic manager to start
[01:04] <usr13> mknarr: Well, there is /etc/groups
[01:04] <sdegutis> its ui is largely html+css+jquery, even though its a desktop app.
[01:04] <Devil999> sdegutis, that's really something. gratz.
[01:05] <sdegutis> well, not really.
[01:05] <mknarr> usr13,  says it dosnt exsist
[01:05] <sdegutis> it doesnt work on ubuntu though.
[01:05] <usr13> Ph0n7r1c: Alt-F2 synaptic
[01:05] <sdegutis> you guys just talk a lot, which helps me look at my client :)
[01:05] <sdegutis> especially the scrolling and stuff
[01:05] <usr13> mknarr: Well, there is /etc/group
[01:05] <usr13> mknarr: Sorry, typo
[01:05] <itguru> Does Gwibber crap out for anyone after a few weeks?
[01:06] <Devil999> sdegutis, sure thing... just stick around. a lot of talk going to happen.
[01:06] <sdegutis> usually
[01:06] <sdegutis> thanks :)
[01:06] <sdegutis> i like making useless stuff :(
[01:06] <mknarr> I need to find an informative doc on how to work the user accs / groups ...
[01:06] <Ph0n7r1c> ph@Juliana:~$ sudo synaptic
[01:06] <Ph0n7r1c> sh: kde-config: not found
[01:06] <Ph0n7r1c> sh: kde-config: not found
[01:06] <Ph0n7r1c> Segmentation fault
[01:06] <FloodBot1> Ph0n7r1c: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:07] <usr13> mknarr: man group
[01:08] <Ph0n7r1c> its say kde-config not found how can that be i am using gnome
[01:08] <sdegutis> oh one thing i like about my client: when you send a msg to a channel which yo dont have permissions for (like ##linux whe you arent voiced), it gives your message a strikethrough
[01:09] <ogre> I seem to remember a website with deb packages for ubuntu. I tried installing ettercap-ng with the repos, but it errors out every time. I need that deb package or to install from source. Anyone know the name of the site?
[01:09] <usr13> mknarr: man useradd          man groupadd
[01:09] <ogre> n/m I found it
[01:10] <usr13> sdegutis: That's useful
[01:11] <usr13> ogre: :) sometimes we jog our memory just by formulating questions.
[01:11] <mknarr> What is the difference between the file "group" and "group-"
[01:11] <mknarr> im guessing the one with the - is a backup?
[01:11] <EnderW> Does 11.04 go live tonight?
[01:12] <usr13> mknarr: right
[01:12] <mknarr> it goes live the 20 sometime
[01:12] <EnderW> woot
[01:12] <mknarr> the 28***
[01:12] <sdegutis> kinda..
[01:12] <EnderW> I cant wait
[01:12] <sdegutis> although it doesnt have private messaging yet
[01:12] <crims0n> lolwut
[01:12] <crims0n> i forgot it's so soon
[01:12] <EnderW> What are the major changes for 11.04?
[01:12] <usr13> sdegutis: Well, get back to work!
[01:13] <Roydi> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-11.04 <-- "Expected:
[01:13] <Roydi>     12 minutes ago"
[01:13] <usr13> EnderW: They are widespread and often.
[01:13] <usr13> EnderW: (...sorry, couldn't resist...)
[01:13] <mmu_man> plop
[01:13] <Roydi> What's the time? (I'm in europe... ;))
[01:13] <EnderW> lawl
[01:13] <AsSlowAsHell> im looking for a good command line sound processing tool.  something CLI like sox but im looking for a specific feature, very slight audio length expansion/contraction.  basically, i have an audio source that gets 1 second off sync of another one after ~4 hours.  this means i need 3.33 samples out of 48000 removed from the slower source.  does anyone know of a proggy that can help me do that
[01:13] <AsSlowAsHell> ?
[01:14] <mmu_man> anyone can tell me if apt: links work when using :// ? like apt://build-essential ?
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> Roydi: europe spans MANY timezones
[01:14] <usr13> Roydi: 2:14
[01:14] <usr13> Roydi: (... sorry, again, I couldn't resist...)
[01:15] <mknarr> Would it matter if i edit the group file  to display eachgroup on a diff line ?
[01:15] <ssfdre38> how long till 11.04 is out?
[01:15] <oem> /usr/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2exited with code 256 what is it and how do i fix it
[01:15] <mmu_man> ... it kinda violates the spirit of the RFCs but dokuwiki thinks apt is a namespace if I don't use :// :(
[01:15] <usr13> mknarr: they are already on separate lines.
[01:15] <mknarr> hmm weird  i DLed the file from my server to look at it
[01:16] <mknarr> and everything is on 1 line
[01:16] <ActionParsnip> ssfdre38: ask in #ubuntu+1 natty isofftopic here
[01:16] <Roydi> ActionParsnip, my timezone isn't important for my question :) Okay, let's ask a different way - When will Natty release in MY timezone (GMT+1)? :)
[01:16] <usr13> mknarr: With what app. are you viewing it?
[01:16] <Roydi> Sorry ;)
[01:16] <mknarr> usr13, notepad
[01:16] <ActionParsnip> Roydi: ask in #ubuntu+1 natty is offtopic here
[01:16] <usr13> mknarr:  That is why.
[01:16] <crims0n> notepad+ needs a linux build
[01:17] <usr13> mknarr: i suppose you would have to toggle wordwrap on or of or something... I dono....
[01:17] <Guest53833>  hello room
[01:18]  * itguru feels a bit excited ....
[01:18]  * itguru runs date on cli
[01:18] <mknarr> Im guessing that when im viewing the group  doc that if there isnt a usr/acc type beside a group it isnt in use?
[01:18] <usr13> itguru: Just another day in the life of a Ubuntu community....  :-)
[01:18] <itguru> It's THURSDAY!
[01:19] <reeceb> Anybody know how to connect a logitech C210 webcam to ubuntu? I'm having nothing but headaches
[01:19] <Guest53833> what are you guy s up to and whats new on ubuntu
[01:19] <mknarr> hammer
[01:19] <Guest53833> ?
[01:19] <mknarr> ?
[01:19] <ActionParsnip> itguru: it's the day after WEDNESADY
[01:19] <usr13> mknarr: Just means that no one has joined the group yet.
[01:19] <escott> mknarr, could be in use on the fs though
[01:19] <ActionParsnip> itguru: welcome to the calendar
[01:19] <itguru> ActionParsnip: True, but *this* thursday is special :)
[01:19] <mknarr> escott, aah true
[01:20] <ActionParsnip> itguru: true, but not yet
[01:20] <escott> ie the root
[01:20] <brisky83> hi everybody
[01:20] <oem> /usr/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2exited with code 256 what is it and how do i fix it
[01:20] <usr13> escott:  yea that's right
[01:20] <ActionParsnip> reeceb: run:  lsusb   use the 8 character hex id to find guides. Logitech refuse to support linux so I suggest you avoid their products
[01:20] <xiambax> How much of a performance increase would i find if i installed a ssd in my desktop
[01:21] <xiambax> i dont really use it for anything intense as it is
[01:21] <brisky83> somebody use 3 monitor with 2 gpu on ubuntu?
[01:21] <itguru> ActionParsnip: Well, according to my calender, the position of the sun, and BBC News, I should be re installing all my test machines to 11.04 stable :)
[01:21] <escott> reeceb, have you checked the v4l website
[01:21] <ActionParsnip> xiambax: loading apps and the OS will improve
[01:21] <mknarr> should i be making say a user called WEB for my web stuff and adding the group "www-data" to it ?
[01:21] <xiambax> brb i will check newegg for prices
[01:21] <ActionParsnip> itguru: all that is moot, depends when the servers get updated
[01:21]  * itguru hits F5 in his browser ...
[01:21] <itguru> Dammit! Still 10.10 !
[01:22] <robert05ad> lol
[01:22] <escott> itguru, why not just update-manager -d
[01:22] <itguru> ActionParsnip: I'm just screwing around, I was kinda hoping that this time it woulda happened at midnight, but hey
[01:22] <ActionParsnip> itguru: 11.04 here ;)
[01:22] <reeceb> lsusb sees the camera but I don't know how to get to it
[01:22] <itguru> no worries, been running beta for weeks
[01:22] <itguru> !?
[01:22] <escott> reeceb, and you have v4l installed
[01:22]  * itguru hits F5 rapidly
[01:23] <ActionParsnip> reeceb: thats just the ID, use it to find uides
[01:23] <robert05ad> Where you at Actionparrship so I can get it too lol
[01:23] <wtracy1> itguru: while true; do date; sleep 1; done
[01:23] <ActionParsnip> *guides
[01:23] <hiexpo> reeceb, cheese
[01:23] <reeceb> I just installed ubuntu this last week for an embedded systems project so I'm still learning the terminal stuff
[01:23] <reeceb> I'm not sure if I have V4l installed
[01:24] <escott> reeceb install synaptic sudo apt-get synaptic, and then use it to install cheese and the v4l2 tools
[01:24] <usr13> oem is gone...?
[01:24] <itguru> wtracy1: hehe! nice! But sleep is for wimps - i'm gonna have all my desktop users asking me where is the awesome new interface that I've been rubbing in their faces on my dell tablet for weeks
[01:24] <escott> reeceb, also check the v4l website to see if your camera version is supported
[01:24] <reeceb> Sweet. Thanks guys. I'll start there.
[01:25] <brisky83> somebody know how configure 2 gpu and 3 monitor? i will install natty, but i dont know about that :(
[01:26] <ActionParsnip> zzecool: please don't away like that
[01:26] <xiambax> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139428 this should be more then enough to save my OS on
[01:27] <robert05ad> 16gb?
[01:27] <brisky83> somebody know how configure 2 gpu and 3 monitor? i will install natty, but i dont know about that :(
[01:27] <robert05ad> you can get a 32 gig usb drive lol
[01:27] <ActionParsnip> robert05ad: I've had it since alpha 2
[01:27] <robert05ad> oh ok
[01:27] <robert05ad> I just bought the vertex 2 160, looove it
[01:27] <robert05ad> should have waited on the vertex 3 lol
[01:28] <basso> oh noes, its the 28th!
[01:28] <robert05ad> not yet basso
[01:28] <basso> robert05ad: for me it is! :D
[01:28] <KaAtta> i need a little help setting up conky. I understand how to create a .conkyrc config file. but i downloaded a setup that is in LUA format and it tells me to put it in ~/.conky (but i dont see a .conky file in my home file)
[01:28] <itguru> basso: your in good company, we're all waiting :)
[01:29] <basso> ^^
[01:29] <brisky83> somebody know how configure 2 gpu and 3 monitor? i will install natty, but i dont know about that :(
[01:29] <robert05ad> KaAtta, I have no idea what that even is lol
[01:30] <escott> brisky83, thats a rather exotic configuration, are these ati or nvidia
[01:30] <hiexpo> KaAtta, you gotta make a .conkyrc file
[01:30] <mknarr> Captainkrtek, whats up man
[01:30] <ActionParsnip> KaAtta: the file needs creating, you ca find sample files on the web
[01:30] <KaAtta> hiexpo, hte conky setup i downloaded is in lua format, and it wants me to place it in the .conky directory. which is supposed to be in my user folder, but im not seeing it
[01:30] <brisky83> escott: i have 2 ati, in a mainbord asus rog formula IV
[01:31]  * itguru believes the digital gates should be opened according to the nasa time servers date!
[01:31] <Captainkrtek> hey mknarr
[01:31] <brisky83> escott: 3870 and 4850 ati
[01:31] <qin> KaAtta: la | .con*
[01:31] <Captainkrtek> just got home from work
[01:31] <KaAtta> hiexpo, ActionParsnip here is the link with the file i downloaded and the instructions http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/02/6-awesome-conky-configs-that-just-works.html
[01:31] <robert05ad> ati is notoriously bad for linux support.
[01:31] <ActionParsnip> KaAtta: .conkyrc is a file, not a folder
[01:31] <robert05ad> those wont sli brisky
[01:31] <xiambax> usb wouldnt be faster then SATA ssd
[01:32] <todd_dsm> Is there documentation that explains how to use OpenLDAP utilities with OpenSSL instead of GnuTLS?
[01:32] <hiexpo> KaAtta, when you create a file with . first it is hidden so open open folder click view and than show hidden files
[01:32] <qin> KaAtta: Ups, sorry: la | grep .con*
[01:32] <KaAtta> ActionParsnip, i linked the URL i was going off of, could u take a look and see if u can understand what it wants form me?
[01:32] <KaAtta> hiexpo, i have enabled hidden folders already
[01:33] <hiexpo> KaAtta, should be .conkyrc down towards the bottom
[01:33] <ActionParsnip> katsrc: you need to extract the folder then run the commands on http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/conky_grey?content=137272
[01:33] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: there's a method listed on the page above
[01:33] <brisky83> robert05ad: i read about bad on ati supporting linux, i dont use crossfire, and i dont need it, i will not gaming on it, but i use 2 gpu for use 3 monitor
[01:34] <hiexpo> ActionParsnip, i know conky very well   :)
[01:34] <escott> brisky83, crossfire support is not listed as supported http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature
[01:34] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: if you read the link, it gives instructions to run, so conkyrc isnt needed
[01:34] <brisky83> robert05ad: but when i try it on maverik i becoma mad with it and came back on win7, but i love natty on my netbook and i want use on big pc
[01:34] <acicula> escott: hes not trying to crossfire
[01:34] <KaAtta> hiexpo, ActionParsnip qin i figured it out guys, i had to create a folder and paste the lua into it
[01:35] <KaAtta> there was no previous folder, i had to create the directory. its working now :D
[01:35] <escott> acicula, brisky83  ok. my connection dropped
[01:35] <acicula> brisky83: you may have to run xorg  on each card, so no unified desktop
[01:35] <hiexpo> ActionParsnip, ya that is silly using lua
[01:35] <brisky83> escott: thanks but i dont care about crossfire, i only want 3 monitor in mutliscreen
[01:36] <escott> brisky83, i think acicula is right. i don't know if xinerama would work, but you could run two different x servers on different cards
[01:36] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: it works so I don't argue with it
[01:36] <hiexpo> KaAtta, why you using lua ?
[01:36] <armor-64> hi guys i need a an information,the realese about ubuntu 11.04?
[01:36] <Jordan_U> hiexpo: Conky is configured using lua.
[01:37] <KaAtta> hiexpo, i was googling "conky configs" with a time filter of hte last year, and i saw that setup that was pretty
[01:37] <KaAtta> hiexpo, so i wanted
[01:37] <brisky83> escott: acicula i read about it, cinerama on maverick wont work :( but i read to start 2 xconfig with single card everytime , and copy on 1 after all that
[01:37] <ActionParsnip> armor-64: ask in #ubuntu+1
[01:37] <rendero> when will be available 11.04 ?
[01:37] <hiexpo> Jordan_U, yes but not hard to make your own rc file
[01:37] <arand> rendero: When it's ready.
[01:37] <armor-64> actionparnip:thnks man
[01:37] <rendero> arand, when will be ready xD ?
[01:38] <acicula> brisky83: http://superuser.com/questions/257676/ubuntu-3-monitors-2-video-cards-not-working , seems you can get away with just running one xserver.
[01:40] <brisky83> acicula: thanks i save it, and i will try after i download the dayly natty, im a "newbie" but i really love use ubuntu also in desktop pc
[01:40] <acicula> brisky83: i remember using xinerama before, it can be a bit fiddly and dont know if you can configure it using a desktop wizard either, so can be a bit fiddly
[01:40] <arand> rendero: Before 29th
[01:40] <acicula> oh is natty released?
[01:41] <tripelb> ADMINS: think about putting this somewhere in Ubottu or something. I've decided this is a good way to learn more linux. http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html
[01:41] <brisky83> acicula: im downloading the daily of 27/04 i guess is the same of official of today
[01:42] <rendero> arand, but i saw schedule and its written 28th :S
[01:42] <tripelb> question: do I have to upgrade to 10.10 before I can upgrade to natty? (now 10.04)
[01:42] <arand> tripelb: Yes
[01:43] <hiexpo> KaAtta, here is my conky   http://tinypic.com/r/34fzo6g/7
[01:43] <robert05ad> You can install 11.04 fresh
[01:43] <ssfdre38> tripelb: 10.04 LTS?
[01:43] <tripelb> arand, thanks
[01:43] <tripelb> um, 10.04 - is there more than one kind?
[01:44] <acicula> no there isnt
[01:44] <ssfdre38> stay on 10.04 its the better one to be on
[01:44] <tripelb> this one ssfdre38 - You are using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[01:44] <tripelb>                 - the Lucid Lynx - released in April 2010 and supported until April 2013.
[01:44] <tripelb> 	
[01:44] <rendero> !isitout
[01:44] <tripelb> oh ssfdre38 that's easy. at what point would I move onto 10.10 ?
[01:45] <ssfdre38> the next LTS is out
[01:45] <sancas> how can i export database of banshee ?
[01:45] <Macer> isnt 10.10 stable?
[01:45] <ssfdre38> 10.04 its good for 3 years of support
[01:45] <Macer> actually released?
[01:46] <ssfdre38> 10.10 and 11.04 gets 18 months of support
[01:46] <acicula> LTS just means its supported for a longer period, and supposedly a little more stable then the usual intermediary versions
[01:46] <bloopletech> sancas: ~/.config/banshee-1/banshee.db
[01:46] <Macer> i mean.. it is a simple dist-upgrade
[01:46] <acicula> next LTS is 12.04
[01:46] <bloopletech> sancas: that's an sqlite3 database that you can use if you're so inclined
[01:49] <hiexpo> 10.04 moo betta Macer
[01:49] <KaAtta> hiexpo, nice, but thats a bit too complicated for my girlfriend lol
[01:49] <tripelb> does unity have betterfonts, clearer, sharper?
[01:50] <sancas> bloopletech, and to restore? only paste in the same place?
[01:50] <tripelb> KaAtta, 10.04 is too complicated for your girlfriend?
[01:50] <hiexpo> KaAtta, only took me 30 minutes to make it
[01:51] <bloopletech> sancas: I believe so
[01:51] <linuxmonkey> !party
[01:51] <bloopletech> sancas: assuming you're on the samish version of banshee
[01:51] <hiexpo> tripelb, no he was talking bout my conky
[01:51] <tripelb> O
[01:51] <tripelb> O
[01:51] <escott> tripelb, there is a new font, but you shouldn't have blurry fonts have you tried adjusting your subpixel rendering options
[01:51] <bloopletech> tripelb: you can configure how fonts look on your current system (and I assume on unity)
[01:52] <tripelb> I'm still asking questions about how to partition my gynormous (1T) hard drive so that I can have 2 different ubuntus. I am also still asking about how to copy files from one ubuntu (one one hard drive) to another. I cant sign in on both and I am stuck.
[01:53] <sancas> bloopletech, yes :) but.. if the place of music change but this have the same name no problem??
[01:53] <bloopletech> tripelb: System -> Preferences -> Appearance, then the Fonts tab. If you're using an LCD then turn Subpixel rendering on and then tweak it by clicking Details...
[01:53] <brisky83> nite everybody
[01:53] <bloopletech> sancas: I'm not sure, it might store absolute paths in the database
[01:53] <tripelb> bloopletech, escott, unless it will get better on reboot I've configured all there is to configure and it's better on windows. I dont want windows, I want fonts I can see with more ease.
[01:54] <tripelb> bloopletech, I am using a CRT.
[01:54] <bloopletech> tripelb: you're going to have to be a lot more specific than it's 'better on windows'
[01:54] <bloopletech> oh, than turn subpixel off
[01:54] <KaAtta> hiexpo, nice, ill link u what im going with once im done customizing it
[01:54] <sancas> bloopletech, im going to try in this moment :P
[01:54] <bloopletech> try grayscale
[01:54] <tripelb> bloopletech, I can read it there. here I have to make it bigger. -- I turned it on 2 days ago and it made no differnce.
[01:54] <tripelb> I like color I dont want to go back to before the amiga.
[01:55] <tripelb> you are dissing me by saying that.
[01:55] <bloopletech> tripelb: what
[01:55] <tripelb> nevermind.
[01:55] <bloopletech> tripelb: I meant grayscale font smoothing
[01:55] <[Messer]> is this server's full of programmers?)
[01:55] <tripelb> oh. ok
[01:55] <bloopletech> not grayscale display
[01:55] <uncmar> [Messer]: nah, but I'm a programmer.
[01:55] <bloopletech> because subpixel rendering is designed for lcd's so it won't work very well on crt
[01:56] <reeceb> escott and others, thanks a ton. I'm up and running with cheeze now I'm just wondering how to directly access the video feed for processing
[01:56] <sebsebseb> hi
[01:56] <escott> reeceb, its /dev/video0 but v4l does lots of nice stuff (like flipping my upside down camera the right way)
[01:56] <[Messer]> » uncmar » the most of channels are linux, ubuntu etc.. O_o ))
[01:56] <uncmar> subpixel, things smaller than pixels?  what are those, pixels below pixels so that when you scale up it looks pretty?
[01:56] <hiexpo> KaAtta, kk
[01:56] <tripelb> bloopletech, thanks for the help. I'm too tired to remember how to get there now.
[01:56] <bloopletech> tripelb: WRT your other questions, the easiest way to partition your drives is probably to burn a livecd, boot into that and use gparted to divide your drive in half - though you may want swap partitions for each installation
[01:57] <escott> reeceb, i would recommend using gstreamer to get the stream, or look at the v4l docs there may be bindings for popular languages
[01:57] <reeceb> gstreamer?
[01:57] <bloopletech> uncmar: on an lcd, each pixel is mad eup of three lights: a red a green and a blue one
[01:57] <uncmar> [Messer]: isn't it great?  Linux is taking over.  Well, at least becoming a bit more popular.
[01:57] <reeceb> and how do I get to dev/video0
[01:57] <[Messer]> » uncmar » yup, man, you're right =)
[01:57] <bloopletech> subpixel rendering means controlling the individual lights to achieve a better result
[01:58] <escott> reeceb, media framework included in gnome. what do you want to do with your camera video? and what language do you want to use?
[01:58] <revButl> greetings; what are some ways to set up my hard disk partitions?
[01:58] <sebsebseb> Just now was the first time I joined this channel since last year,  or maybe I joined once earlier this year or something
[01:58] <reeceb> hopefully C and do some minor vision detection with openCV
[01:58] <escott> revButl, are you asking for suggested partition layouts or tools to partition
[01:58] <revButl> suggested partition layouts please
[01:58] <uncmar> eh, CRT's display with the same RGB combo.  Hence, 24 bit color.  8 bits per the trio.
[01:59] <bloopletech> uncmar: well no
[01:59] <reeceb> I have openCV installed and am using Harpia to prototype my algorythms but my end target system is a beagleboard
[01:59] <escott> revButl, how many disks do you have, how much space, what are your goals/uses for the system, how would you prioritize things like backups vs performance vs flexibility
[01:59] <bloopletech> uncmar: crts work by projecting beams through a phosphor coating at the screen
[01:59] <escott> reeceb, see if someone has codesamples for openCV and v4l2 im sure its been done many times
[02:00] <au-contrarian> Why was Grub2 v1.97 and not just 2.0?
[02:00] <bloopletech> tripelb: regarding accessing your other hard drive: if you go Places -> Computer your other drive sohuld be there and you should be able to double click it to access the files on that drive
[02:00] <escott> au-contrarian, 2.0 hasn't been released yet, but they really liked the features and thought it was stable enough
[02:00] <revButl> decreasing emphasis on flexibility, data recovery, then performance; i have one hard disk with about 50 gigs over half a terabyte with about half a terabyte designated for windows
[02:00] <sancas> how can i close banshee if when i close it if i using integration with my sound menu?
[02:01] <au-contrarian> So Grub2 isn't really Grub2, it's Grub1.97
[02:01] <[Messer]> » uncmar » by the way, I'd just want to find english-speaking channel/server.. When I came here, I've got very amazed of Linux's popularity )
[02:01] <hiexpo> au-contrarian, no it is grub2 version 1.97
[02:01] <_ryx_> viva 11.04
[02:02] <escott> revButl, i would suggest making a smaller partition ~15-20gigs for your operating system and configuring it as raid1 mirrored across the two disks with mdadm
[02:02] <KaAtta> hiexpo, didnt forget about u, i got terminal running a package update, taking a few minutes before i can load up my new conky config
[02:03] <escott> revButl, for the rest of the disk i would have raid1 as well, and use that for your larger files, if you outgrow the storage you can either buy more or go into a raid1 degraded mode and free a half-terabyte
[02:03] <sancas> oh sorry i have integrated my banshee with my sound menu and i never can close it :( how can i close?
[02:03] <escott> revButl, and don't forget a bit for swap space
[02:03] <Ziber> Huh. I'm on a live CD, installing ubuntu. Installer seems to be just sitting at 79%, not looking like its doing much
[02:03] <mrdeb> why does banshee not work with ipod?
[02:03] <mrdeb> what works with ipod
[02:03] <revButl> is the current heuristic for swapspace to be 2x the amount of memory you have still?
[02:03] <multipass> !countdown
[02:03] <escott> revButl, im sure you can get many other opinions
[02:03] <computerwiz_222> mrdeb: it does work with most ipods, what ipod do you have?
[02:03] <uncmar> mrdeb: a mac or windows.  but, linux?  I don't know.  I won't buy an ipod.
[02:03] <mrdeb> shuffle
[02:03] <escott> !isitout | multipass
[02:04] <au-contrarian> escott, hiexpo - thanks.
[02:04] <computerwiz_222> mrdeb: what happens when you try to sync?
[02:04] <bloopletech> sancas: open a terminal and do killall -9 banshee - that will forcibly terminate banshee
[02:04] <mrdeb> computerwiz_222: it does nto see it
[02:04] <hiexpo> au-contrarian, welcome np
[02:04] <computerwiz_222> mrdeb: does it mount it as a device in the file manager?
[02:04] <escott> au-contrarian, those gnu people tend to be a little picky about having all the details right with unimportant stuff like a bootloader ;)
[02:04] <revButl> i don't want to configure my computer so that i lose education or entertainment potential; i just remember Ubuntu putting about 5 partitions on my hard disk;
[02:04] <mrdeb> computerwiz_222: no
[02:04] <computerwiz_222> mrdeb: also.. what ipod shuffle? the latest one?
[02:05] <mrdeb> no
[02:05] <Ziber> What should I do if my installer just seems to sitting at a certain percentage (in this case, 79%)... Seemingly not doing anything.
[02:05] <computerwiz_222> mrdeb: it should work just fine.. i hate to ask.. is it plugged in?
[02:05] <hiexpo> revButl, you only need 2
[02:05] <escott> revButl, thats not really necessary, its a throwback from the old days of unix sysadmins when each disk was 10megs
[02:05] <bloopletech> revButl: you can just make a main partition and a swap partition - it's not really special how you configure it and it won't change your entertainment potential
[02:05] <escott> revButl, 90% of people have 2 (/ and swap) some add a couple more for /home or /boot
[02:06] <revButl> ok thanks guys
[02:06] <sancas> jajja bloopletech thanks never thought of it :D
[02:06] <bloopletech> also, you can resize and add partitions later if you want
[02:06] <bloopletech> it's not 2000 anymore :D
[02:06] <bloopletech> sancas: np
[02:06] <mrdeb> computerwiz_222: yes
[02:07] <viranch> when is natty releasing?
[02:07] <mrdeb> now
[02:07] <bloopletech> viranch: sometime in the next 24hours probablky
[02:07] <au-contrarian> escott- then name is just maddening.  There is Grub, I get that, and that never really had a version 1, it just went up to 0.97 - and then they decide to release Grub2 but that is version 1.97 - seriously WTF?  They could have at least called Grub2 v1.0
[02:07] <Ziber> How long should "creating user" really take when installing ubuntu? Has been sitting at that in the installer for about 5 mins now.
[02:07] <viranch> mrdeb: not released yet!
[02:07] <viranch> bloopletech: not a fixed time?
[02:07] <bloopletech> viranch: no
[02:08] <escott> au-contrarian, its understandable it is a bootloader and all
[02:08] <bloopletech> viranch: I think they leave it flexible in case there are last minute issues
[02:08] <viranch> bloopletech: Ok..
[02:08] <escott> au-contrarian, it could have a version number like latex which is always fun
[02:08] <induz> suddenly my comp is running slow
[02:08] <induz> what should i do??
[02:08] <escott> induz, what has changed
[02:08] <bloopletech> viranch: you can join #ubuntu-release-party if you like and await 11.04
[02:08] <induz>  nothing has changed
[02:08] <mehdi> hello
[02:08] <KaAtta> hiexpo, ok bud, here is the setup i went with http://i55.tinypic.com/4oo5j.png
[02:09] <escott> induz, see if anything is using cpu in gnome-system-monitor
[02:09] <bloopletech> induz: Start -> System -> Administration -> Task Manager
[02:09] <viranch> bloopletech: sounds nice! thanks
[02:09] <bloopletech> then click the cpu column to sort desecending
[02:09] <escott> KaAtta, what is that desktop widget
[02:09] <cga> hey türk olanvarmı
[02:09] <bloopletech> also try clicking the memory column and sort decending to see if something's taking up all your ram
[02:09] <bloopletech> viranch: np
[02:09] <Ziber> Why would my install seemingly stop... installing and just sit at 79%?
[02:09] <cga> hey türk olanvarmı
[02:09] <cga> hey türk olan varmı
[02:10] <KaAtta> escott which? the guages?
[02:10] <escott> Ziber, can you click on details anywhere
[02:10] <Ziber> escott: nope...
[02:10] <escott> KaAtta, yes the "speedometer" for cpu
[02:10] <hiexpo> KaAtta, pretty kool you using kde huh
[02:10] <KaAtta> hiexpo, no, using gnome, 10.10
[02:11] <escott> Ziber, what was the last thing it said it was doing, or is it just a progress bar?
[02:11] <fieris> why?
[02:11] <induz> is there anyway i can find what r the processes running
[02:11] <Ziber> escott: Progress bar, 79%, "creating user..."
[02:11] <induz>  most of the processes r sleeping
[02:11] <KaAtta> escott, that is conky, i just installed it and configured it using a setup i found online
[02:11] <induz>  but available swap is just 3%
[02:11] <escott> KaAtta, cool
[02:11] <bloopletech> induz: something is chewing your ram
[02:11] <KaAtta> induz in terminal: ps aux
[02:11] <bloopletech> induz: try sorting by memory usage descending
[02:12] <escott> Ziber, have you already entered your username info? wondering if there is a popup somewhere behind a window
[02:12] <Ziber> escott: I already have, came before it.
[02:12] <hiexpo> that is gnome KaAtta oh with bar on bottom forgot what that is called looks like kde   but now that i look at i know
[02:12] <Ziber> escott: no other window associated with it.
[02:12] <KaAtta> the bar im using is cairo-dock
[02:12] <tripelb> bloopletech, yes all you say is true. I can access them. I cannot copy them because I dont have permission. when I log into the other drive I cannot even see my normal filesystem. I can only see the filesystem I am on and 2 windows partitions and one NTFS partions. (I have 3 drives mounted.)
[02:12] <KaAtta> im still trying to figure out how to get composite to work on my LDXE setup, been trying for days
[02:12] <KaAtta> cant get any help in lubuntu channel
[02:13] <escott> Ziber, can you run stuff from the live cd, namely the system monitor and see if anything is happening
[02:13] <linuxman410> any help with a intel 845ge video card on board i found nothing to help in google
[02:13] <netmsi> hi all...if in proftpd, i want to create a user, and lock them into a directory, say like /home/user/Pictures, do I have to create that user in ubuntu (cli or otherwise?)
[02:13] <Ziber> escott: where would i find that? slightly new to ubuntu.
[02:13] <induz> ps aux throws a list of % CPU and i dont know what to do with them
[02:13] <hiexpo> KaAtta, oh ok that lbuntu  not gnome
[02:13] <bloopletech> tripelb: ah I see. To deal with the permissions issue you may be able to run gksudo nautilus and copy the files in that window
[02:13] <bloopletech> tripelb: I'm not sure why you can't see the partition from the other installation
[02:14] <KaAtta> hiexpo, the screentshot is gnome, i ALSO have another machine running lubuntu, but i cant get composite to work on it
[02:14] <escott> netmsi, when you install proftpd it should create a user for the app, the restriction bit is part of the proftpd config, there is a gui for proftpd as well
[02:14] <mar7ar> hi everybody i`m in such a big problem i have intented to remove a libusb package but instead i have pressed libusb* then all dependant package are removed how can i fix this?/?
[02:14] <syddraf> Is there a way to determine if I am running Ubuntu 32 or 64 bit?
[02:14] <induz> how can i make it run fatser as earlier??
[02:14] <bloopletech> syddraf: uname -a
[02:15] <hiexpo> KaAtta, lookslike lkde to me but ok
[02:15] <escott> Ziber, did you boot the live cd to the desktop environment then start the install or did you just take the first install option
[02:15] <netmsi> escott, i tried gadmin, and it seems like webmin is just as viable as an option, but what if i want to create user other than the default?
[02:15] <tripelb> bloopletech, I copy what you say and do it another day. Peace. Thanks a lot for working with me.
[02:15] <HerrRiz> I'm having trouble setting the PS1 variable as a non-root user. \u doesn't give the proper output. When I set my variable with PS1='\u\$', I get exactly that as my prompt.
[02:15] <bloopletech> induz: Go to the task manager, sort by memory usage descending then click the top item and click kill process
[02:15] <bloopletech> tripelb: np
[02:15] <hiexpo> KaAtta, nevermind   i didnt scrol up   lol
[02:15] <KaAtta> hiexpo, the screenshot is gnome, 10.10, all i have done is changed background, added the dock, added conky, and removed bottom panel
[02:15] <KaAtta> that is it lol
[02:15] <bloopletech> induz: repeat until success
[02:16] <syddraf> bloopletech: It returns 2.6.32-31-generic-pae #61-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 8 20:00:13 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:16] <mupeng> hai
[02:16] <bloopletech> syddraf: you're 32-bit
[02:16] <escott> netmsi, you could do that but there are various things you have to be aware of like, making sure the user has /dev/null as their shell and some pam stuff, better to use the suggested user
[02:16] <syddraf> bloopletech: Thank you. I appreciate it.
[02:16] <bloopletech> syddraf: np
[02:16] <sancas> where can i locate the covert art of the song is playing rigth now? im using banshee2.0
[02:16] <mupeng> hai
[02:16] <mupeng> oi!!1
[02:16] <induz> its getting better now
[02:16] <mupeng> what??
[02:16] <induz> do i have to perform this KILL process everytime
[02:16] <mupeng> i love yiou
[02:17] <hypetech> anybody know what time natty goes live?
[02:17] <mupeng> no
[02:17] <rww_> hypetech: there is no set time
[02:17] <hypetech> k
[02:17] <mupeng> oi
[02:17] <mupeng> oi
[02:17] <mupeng> oi
[02:17] <FloodBot2> mupeng: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:17] <jstrap> hi i have installed ubuntu from a cd that my friend gave me, and am having trouble getting my graphics to look right. I have got pretty much everything the way i want it but the video is messed up looking. here is a list of some commands. http://pastebin.com/EupuENiB
[02:17] <netmsi> escott, so multiple users are not advisable? what if i need three separate users each with their own direct.?
[02:17] <bloopletech> induz: only if a program is doing something wrong and using memory badly
[02:17] <bloopletech> induz: not usually
[02:17] <escott> netmsi, you can only have one service on a single port
[02:18] <hiexpo> KaAtta, should use 10.04 did you look what kernal i was using   :)
[02:18] <escott> netmsi, so proftpd has to run as someone, and various restrictions should be put around that user, which they do by default, so that if someone does intrude into proftpd the damage they can do is minimal
[02:18] <bloopletech> jstrap: what's wrong with the video at the moment? is the resolution too low or...
[02:18] <KaAtta> i didnt
[02:18] <hiexpo> super fast
[02:18] <netmsi> escott, but it supports multiple connections (forgive the ignorance)?
[02:18] <KaAtta> hiexpo, i really wanna try 11.04 but i cant get the beta to boot for me if my life depended on it
[02:18] <hiexpo> ^ KaAtta
[02:19] <induz> bloopletech, its getting a bit better by killing some of the processes
[02:19] <jstrap> bloopletech, yes, thats what it is.
[02:19] <george> hello
[02:19] <bloopletech> jstrap: try going to System -> Preferences -> Monitors
[02:19] <hiexpo> KaAtta, leave 11.04 alone 10.04 has better support
[02:19] <netmsi> escott, maybe i'm using the wrong word when i say users..multiple logins?
[02:19] <bloopletech> jstrap: see if it will let you increase the resolution
[02:19] <linuxman410> upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 and only have one resolution
[02:19] <george> I need some help with a realtek driver
[02:19] <induz> bloopletech, but i really dont know what i am killing as names are not familiar except few like mozila and thunderbird
[02:20] <escott> netmsi, give me a sec to confirm what i am saying is true ;)
[02:20] <george> can any budy hekp me??
[02:20] <bloopletech> induz: true, it is a bit risky
[02:20] <netmsi> escott, thank you..
[02:20] <bloopletech> induz: I mean if you're not sure, rebooting should sort it out
[02:20] <hiexpo> KaAtta, always better to stay with the lts versions    :)
[02:21] <escott> netmsi, so there is a distinction between a remote shell ala ssh and an service like http
[02:21] <george> Realtek Driver any here body out there who can help??
[02:21] <jstrap> bloopletech, I tried that, but it seems i dont have any driver installed maybe? would there be a program by nvidia if i did?
[02:21] <bloopletech> jstrap: you have an nvidia chipset?
[02:21] <hiexpo> george, sure what chipset ?
[02:21] <KaAtta> ive used 10.10 more then anything and to be honest, right now im loving it. im pretty new to linux and im having a fairly easy time figuring it out
[02:21] <george> i have no idea?
[02:22] <george> is boult in
[02:22] <KaAtta> hiexpo,  i really wish my othe rmachine was capable of running 10.10
[02:22] <escott> netmsi, when you ssh into a server you have an account running as your user on that server, when you http into a server you are asking an httpd program like apache to do things on your behalf, proftpd can do a bit of both, but the safer thing is to set it up like an httpd server
[02:22] <jstrap> bloopletech, yes
[02:22] <bloopletech> jstrap: If so, then I believe you have two options: the driver that nvidia supplies, and a new open-source driver built by the community
[02:22] <hiexpo> KaAtta, 10.04 can do more   :)
[02:22] <bloopletech> jstrap: I'd suggest maybe trying both if you're not sure - I don't have nvidia so I can't recommend which one
[02:22] <bloopletech> let me link you
[02:22] <KaAtta> question is, will it run smoothly on my other machine?
[02:23] <hypetech> hiexpo: what's the benefit of 10.04?
[02:23] <hiexpo> george, not a usb ?
[02:23] <KaAtta> my other machine has issues running 10.10 but runs lubuntu 10.10 just fine
[02:23] <jstrap> bloopletech, Im sure i have nvidia, but i dont know exactly what i have in this laptop, if that makes any sense lol
[02:23] <netmsi> escott, ok...i think i understood that answer..you'll have to forgive, am just learning about ftp..still hasnt quite coalesced methinks
[02:23] <escott> netmsi, so when proftpd gets a connection request it authenticates against a list of usernames which need not be real users of the server (without a account or /home, so the only thing they can do is ftp), and then forks and processes their requests
[02:23] <bloopletech> jstrap: yeah np. DO you know what version of ubuntu you have installed?
[02:23] <hiexpo> hypetech, you can hack t better   :)
[02:23] <digdeep> install virtualbox 4.0.6 with ubuntu 11.04, but /etc/init.d/vboxdrv is missing. Anyone please?
[02:24] <hiexpo> hypetech, and it lts
[02:24] <escott> netmsi, if you want a service for people who have accounts on the server already consider ssh and sftp
[02:24] <sebsebseb> digdeep: oh you want to virtualmachine Ubuntu 11.04?
[02:24] <KaAtta> hiexpo, what does LTS stand for?
[02:24] <netmsi> escott, yes, that was my question...so how do i create those accounts (not on the server, just for ftp purposes?
[02:24] <sebsebseb> !lts | KaAtta
[02:24] <hiexpo> KaAtta, long term support
[02:24] <digdeep> wrong channel, sorry
[02:24] <jstrap> bloopletech, the cd that he gave me was blank, but i think its 9.04. I thought if i installed all the updates it might fix it, but it didnt
[02:25] <sebsebseb> digdeep: I can link you to some proper instructions on how to virtual machine 11.04
[02:25] <escott> netmsi, its part of the proftpd config haven't done it in some time though
[02:25] <george> no hiexpo is a built in to a toshiba
[02:25] <KaAtta> hiexpo, sebsebseb ty both
[02:25] <sebsebseb> digdeep: actsaully I think for a virtual machine of 11.04, even though 11.04 isn't out just yet, this channel would be sort of ok, because you could be virtual machining it with a previous version of Ubuntu,  as host,  and you could with another distro as host as well
[02:25] <bloopletech> jstrap: ok, you have a couple options. You can upgrade your ubuntu to a later version (which is different to installing the updates); this is probably a good idea anyway as 9.04 is a few years old now
[02:26] <hiexpo> KaAtta, i boot in 32 secs   :)
[02:26] <escott> netmsi, ftp is discouraged for a lot of reasons, if you can use ssh and sftp thats better
[02:26] <netmsi> escott, i don't mind figuring it out myself, but what is that login called in proftpd? 'user', 'account', etc.?
[02:26] <bloopletech> either way you can switch to the nvidia supplied drivers if you like - here is a howto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:26] <reeceb_> escott, thanks again. I've found some stuff online and I'm callin' it for the evening. Take it easy
[02:26] <escott> reeceb_, np
[02:26] <hiexpo> george, ok you need to get the info of it and i can probally help you than
[02:26] <george> ok
[02:26] <escott> netmsi, virtual users i think
[02:27] <netmsi> escott, unfortunately not...the people i want to share file w/ are not technical...i can set them up w/ a ftp client, they can hang..
[02:27] <auxin> hi is there a way to get apt-get to tell me how many updates are available?
[02:27] <Luke1> hey I'm having a problem on ubuntu 11.04 gdm login: "There is a problem with the configuration server. (/usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2 exited with status 256"
[02:27] <netmsi> escott, cool...
[02:27] <george>  let me see if i can toshiba drivers for win 7 dose not have info on the chipset only on the units compatible
[02:27] <reves> auxin... try sudo apt-get update
[02:27] <bloopletech> jstrap: the current Long Term Support release of ubuntu is 10.04 lucid, and the latest version is 10.10 maverick
[02:28] <jstrap> bloopletech, ok. guess it was worth the try cause i learned a few thing but ill just have to do a fresh install of a later distro. thanks for the help though :)
[02:28] <bloopletech> jstrap: although 11.04 natty is coming out in the next day or so ;)
[02:28] <escott> Ziber, you still waiting on that install
[02:28] <bloopletech> jstrap: ok -though you can upgrade ubuntu over the internet if you want
[02:28] <auxin> reves, hmm no that doesnt work, thanks though
[02:28] <fcuk112> hi, natty beta 2 install freezes after i click next on the screen where you specify whether you want to download updates / install restricted stuff.  anyone else seen this before?
[02:29] <bloopletech> jstrap: assuming you have a decent internet connection
[02:29] <auxin> Im looking for something like aptitudes $aptitude search ~U
[02:29] <auxin> but only for apt-get
[02:29] <hiexpo> george, open terminal and type   >   lspci -v | less
[02:29] <jstrap> bloopletech, maybe ill just wait for 11.04, might be worth it
[02:29] <fcuk112> i tried both normal and alternate install iso
[02:29] <MacGyverNL> apt-cache search
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[02:30] <hiexpo> george,   f   <     wine
[02:30] <auxin> MacGyverNL, excellent, thanks!
[02:30] <MacGyverNL> Yw.
[02:31] <george> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor DRAM Controller (rev 02)
[02:31] <george>         Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device fd00
[02:31] <george>         Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
[02:31] <george>         Capabilities: <access denied>
[02:31] <george>         Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel
[02:31] <FloodBot2> george: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:31] <george>         Kernel modules: intel-agp
[02:31] <hiexpo> george,  give me output of that command
[02:31] <Adis45> Why wont my partition mount, i can't even force mount it
[02:32] <Adis45> is there any other way to mount it
[02:32] <usr13> Adis45: Which partition?
[02:32] <usr13> Adis45: Are you sure it's not alreday mounted?
[02:32] <Adis45> Its not
[02:32] <Adis45> its my other hard disk
[02:32] <usr13> Adis45: Is it listed in fstab?
[02:33] <Adis45> whats that
[02:33] <RedLance> Ok, I want to give my kids read only access to the Music samba share, but I want my wife and I to have read/write access...how do I set that up, please?
[02:33] <usr13> Adis45: fdisk -l | pastebinit   #And send us the resulting URL
[02:34] <usr13> RedLance: groups
[02:34] <escott> RedLance, if your wife and kids are the only users on the system then put your wife and you in a group say "parents" and chgrp the directory and all contents to "parents"
[02:34] <usr13> RedLance: man addgroup  man group
[02:34] <sebsebseb> !permissions | RedLance
[02:34] <Adis45> usr13: http://pastebin.com/zZBGMALC
[02:34] <escott> RedLance, then revoke w permission from other
[02:35] <Adis45> its /dev/sda2
[02:35] <rww_> george: FloodBot is not sentient.
[02:35] <netmsi> escott, in the proftpd.conf file, is has a commented out template for an anonymous login..just copy that and make the appropriate changes?
[02:35] <RedLance> Ok, thanks everybody!
[02:35] <george> so can any help me??
[02:35] <escott> netmsi, that would be for anonymous (no password login) so if thats what you want sure
[02:36] <sebsebseb> george: Drivers do not work in Wine
[02:36] <usr13> Adis45: You would have to mount it with admin priviledges, (unless you specify that users can in the /etc/fstab file)
[02:36] <sebsebseb> george: or commmercial versions that are sold, for that matter
[02:36] <Adis45> I do mount it with admin privileges
[02:36] <george> o crap
[02:36] <Adis45> do you want me to pastebin the error I get?
[02:36] <george> so what can u do?
[02:36] <Adis45> that might help
[02:36] <usr13> Adis45: Yes
[02:36] <hiexpo> george, i told you what to do   run that command in the terminal so i know what chipset it has
[02:37] <netmsi> escott, def. not...but that configuration works for adding a user, and adding a password or psswd line to the file, or is a waste going that route?
[02:37] <escott> netmsi, it may be different. http://www.proftpd.org/docs/howto/VirtualUsers.html
[02:37] <hiexpo> george, lspci -v | less
[02:37] <sebsebseb> george: and with  hardware it depends on the dsitro, if it just works or doesn't,  in general Linux distro's tend to work quite well with pretty standard PC hardware though. and hiexpo can probably help you properly :)
[02:37] <RedLance> Does it change anything if I admit that the wife and kids access the samba server with Windows?  I use Ubuntu of course, and the samba server is Ubuntu too.  Are groups still the way to go?
[02:38] <escott> netmsi, the key thing is you want them to have the least priviliged access to the system, preferably nobody or guest
[02:38] <sebsebseb> RedLance: sure if set up right for Samba, you can do what you want, not sure how to do that myself though
[02:38] <george> fron the board is an intel
[02:38] <ubusammyn150> ?
[02:38] <netmsi> escott, gotcha...it's just the mechanics that are screwing me up..
[02:38] <Adis45> usr13: http://pastebin.com/qbVYBK5i
[02:39] <escott> netmsi, but you don't actually want to put a password on nobody or guest, and then have ftp passing that around in the clear, so I would put a password in the AuthUserFile for "nobody" and then tell them to login with that password and see if you can make that work.
[02:39] <escott> netmsi, understandable ftp is screwed up
[02:39] <ubusammyn150> gconf-snaity-check-2 exited with code 256...it says i have no internet but i do, i can't update..things close randomly..how do i fix this
[02:39] <ubusammyn150> sanity
[02:39] <usr13> Adis45: That's great, but I do not see the command you used that generated the error.
[02:39] <ezl> ;;bc,mtgox
[02:40]  * hiexpo george I know wifi  I am a aircrack-ng guy   :)  
[02:40] <Adis45> usr13: ok let me redo it
[02:40] <george> Communication controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset HECI Controller (rev 06)
[02:40] <multipass> is there a direct upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 that you can do?
[02:40] <sebsebseb> ubusammyn150: can't get anything from the repo's anymore?
[02:40] <george> Communication controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset HECI Controller (rev 06)
[02:40] <sebsebseb> multipass: yes, but wait untill the final is out first, oh and if you do it on release day it may be rather slow to do
[02:40] <netmsi> escott, thanks so much...gonna go try some things out..most probably be back ...but appreciate immensely...
[02:40] <escott> netmsi, if you want it to be pretty you can put a different name on the nobody UID in that AuthUserFile and then they can signin as mrrogers if that makes more sense
[02:41] <ubusammyn150> i dont know what to get..sudo apt-get reconfigure isnt working either
[02:41] <sebsebseb> multipass: also since 11.04 get's a major interface change with Unity,  you may want to keep 10.10 a while longer
[02:41] <escott> netmsi, you could probably have a bunch of different aliases all to nobody's UID with their own password
[02:41] <sebsebseb> multipass: or dare I say it here :D look into some other distro
[02:41] <usr13> multipass: Tomorrow you will be ble to.
[02:41] <tehmbg> or get 11.04 but use a different desktop/window manager
[02:41] <sebsebseb> multipass: also soon after 11.04 comes out, Canonical will have a web thing, so people can try in a web browser
[02:41] <netmsi> escott, and would those alias each map to a separate direct.?
[02:42] <multipass> o what? try it in a web browser, sebsebseb ?
[02:42] <ubusammyn150> it is version 10.04
[02:42] <sebsebseb> multipass: yes,  it will be Unity 2D thought no Unity 3D, but nearly the same thing, other then that yep like as if you had installed 11.04
[02:42] <gogearvibe4g> 10.04 LTS?
[02:42] <Decision> anyone here can help me with a wifi driver
[02:42] <usr13> gogearvibe4g: Yes
[02:42] <KM0201> sebsebseb: really?.. i hadn't heard that, thats pretty awesome
[02:43] <escott> netmsi so nobody is 65534, you could have alice:65534\nbob:65534\ncharlie:65534 in your AuthUserFile (if I am understanding what I am reading correctly)
[02:43] <usr13> Decision: Probably.  Tell us what wifi device you have.
[02:43] <sebsebseb> KM0201: I read it on at least one site, maybe two even
[02:43] <KM0201> sebsebseb: very cool.. that takes "trying linux" to a whole new level.. don't even have to burn a cd
[02:43] <gogearvibe4g> i don't know.....i have not used it....
[02:43] <sebsebseb> KM0201: should be good yeah,  get people to try Unity like that first,  instead of them doing the upgrade, and then regretting it :d
[02:43] <gogearvibe4g> i am using 10.10
[02:43] <hypetech> unity rocks
[02:43] <usr13> Decision: lspci |grep ireless
[02:43] <sebsebseb> KM0201: indeed exactly
[02:44] <KM0201> sebsebseb: i kind of agree there.. i like unity, but my old laptop just couldn't handle it
[02:44] <sebsebseb> KM0201: right, but since it's a virtual machine or whatever on a Canonical server, then I guess like that, should work with old computers even, since they aren't running it
[02:44] <sebsebseb> KM0201: also Unity 2D may work with your old computer, but that's only a ppa for 11.04
[02:44] <ubusammyn150> sudo apt-get dpkg-reconfigure reports invalid
[02:45] <KM0201> sebsebseb: didn't care for unity-2d... so i just went xubuntu.. really happy with it.. i hadn't really used xfce4.. i like it.
[02:45] <gogearvibe4g> but how would you get 2d?
[02:45] <Decision> usr13,  that didnt do anything i ran it in terminal
[02:45] <multipass> so will it be ok to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04? or would i be better off reformatting with 11.04
[02:45] <sebsebseb> KM0201: yeah XFCE is nice, but it's nice in loads of distro's not just Ubuntu :)
[02:45] <sebsebseb> Xubuntu even, above
[02:45] <usr13> Decision: lspci  #And just look for it.
[02:46] <usr13> Decision: and send us that line.
[02:46] <tjiggi_fo> Decision, wireless not ireless
[02:46] <usr13> tjiggi_fo: no ireless not wireless
[02:46] <sebsebseb> gogearvibe4g: I think Unity 2D is 11.04 only, also technically since, 11.04 isn't out just yet, the channel to talk about this would be #ubuntu+1
[02:46] <tjiggi_fo> usr13, 0_o
[02:46] <gogearvibe4g> multipass: i formatted and wiped my drive so i would wait for the upgrade just to be safe
[02:46] <usr13> tjiggi_fo: I left off the W on purpose.
[02:46] <sebsebseb> gogearvibe4g: and 11.10 will probably use Unity 2D as the fall back intead of Gnome 2, since they will be using Gnome 3 underneath Unity for that one :D
[02:46] <ezl> where do crontab files live?
[02:47] <gogearvibe4g> sebsebseb: Gotcha
[02:47] <escott> ezl, root crontab is in /etc/cron*
[02:47] <usr13> ezl: but you can see it via    crontab -l
[02:47] <escott> ezl, user cron files in /var/local/cron?
[02:47] <gogearvibe4g> i use a laptop with only 2gig of RAM but 250 gig of Drive space
[02:48] <DennyNY> Hi everyone.
[02:48] <gogearvibe4g> and i am using Beta 2 for 11.04
[02:48] <sebsebseb> gogearvibe4g: Unity 2D ppa search Google for that, that omgubuntu link,   how they said to install it,  that should do it :)  oh and Gnome Shell is the way to go really, but no proper Gnome 3 with Gnome Shell experience as an option untill 11.04 it seems.  There's a ppa for 11.04, but not the  ful experience.
[02:48] <gogearvibe4g> And sup, newguy
[02:48] <miiike> hi, I just installed ubuntu 10.10 64 bit on an asus ul50vt laptop and went to update the nvidia driver, now when i restart I'm getting it hanging at the "checking battery state" message
[02:48] <sebsebseb> gogearvibe4g: above I meant to put 11.10 for Gnome 3 proper expereince
[02:48] <miiike> i'm pretty new to linux so i'm not really understanding what to do here
[02:49] <sebsebseb> gogearvibe4g: as an option
[02:49] <usr13> ezl:   crontab -e     #To edit
[02:49] <gogearvibe4g> miiike: Is your laptop plugged in?
[02:49] <sebsebseb> miiike: how did you install the Nivida driver?
[02:49] <miiike> gogearvibe4g: it's not right now
[02:49] <sebsebseb> KM0201: see above what I said about Gnome 3 by the way :)
[02:50] <gogearvibe4g> sebsebseb: again, gotcha..
[02:50] <miiike> sebsebseb: i just clicked on "additional drivers" when i started ubuntu up for the first time and installed it through what popped up there
[02:50] <gogearvibe4g> sebsebseb: Was just curious.... :D
[02:50] <sebsebseb> gogearvibe4g: some other distro's already doing Gnome 3, and Fedora 15 will soon when it's released, and yeah.
[02:50] <Decision> i did that figured  oit
[02:50] <sebsebseb> miiike: ok that should have worked really
[02:50] <KM0201> sebsebseb: i actually tried gnome shell... didn't really care for it.. (it was a bit buggy for me).. but i did try the live CD for Open Suse, which had Gnome 3.. and it was very good.. i'm guessing when Gnome 3 PROPERLY hits ubuntu 11.10, it will be much better
[02:51] <Decision> usr13,  its a realtek
[02:51] <sebsebseb> miiike: ,but really you don't need the  propritary driver installed in 10.10, unless you want some compiz effects, or a few 3D games,  11.04 which will come out pretty soon from now,  well things are a bit differnet there,  because the 3D version of the new Unity interface needs a propritary driver or experimental 3D driver.  in fact if you only just put 10.10 on a lap top, I would suggest waiting untill a bit later and then putting 11.04 on.
[02:51] <gogearvibe4g> miiike: hmmm......
[02:52] <hiexpo> sebsebseb, what video card he have ?
[02:52] <escott> nvidia
[02:52] <miiike> sebsebseb: oh okay.  how do I remove it now that i've installed it? lol
[02:52] <gogearvibe4g> 11.04 come out TOMORROW!!! {crapping excited!!!} xD
[02:52] <hiexpo> add the nvidia repos   :)
[02:53] <escott> miiike, since this froze up on battery state have you tried booting while plugged in
[02:53] <rww_> gogearvibe4g: so is #ubuntu-release-party!
[02:53] <kontagious> how long guys?
[02:53] <gogearvibe4g> rww: YEA!!!!
[02:53] <escott> !isitout
[02:54] <miiike> escott: yeah I just tried it and it does the same thing when plugged in
[02:54] <gogearvibe4g> Did you just barely install??
[02:54] <hiexpo> miiike, whatnvidia card is it ?
[02:55] <miiike> GeForce G210M
[02:55] <gogearvibe4g> miiike: was a new install? I had a simmilar problem and reinstalled and it worked out fine
[02:55] <escott> its an asus ul*c right. does that have switchable graphics? is it a core i-series
[02:55] <hiexpo> miiike, wow thats old   >   you scraped the dust off with a chain saw   :)
[02:56] <miiike> gogearvibe4g: yeah i just installed it clean a few minutes ago
[02:56] <miiike> hiexpo: i have no idea, a friend just gave me this laptop lol
[02:56] <escott> hiexpo, i think they spun the 210s into a mobile low power variant, its actually pretty new iirc
[02:56] <gogearvibe4g> miiike it maybe a bad install. Try again and see what happens
[02:57] <escott> miiike, you might also see if you have switchable graphics options in the bios and explicitly selecting one
[02:57] <codex84> why ktorrent
[02:57] <codex84> dl so slow
[02:57] <Squall5668> codex maybe you didn't forward your port?
[02:57] <hiexpo> miiike, did you go to /system/admin/hardwaredrivers   >   and no pripority drivers for it ?
[02:58] <gogearvibe4g> i agree with escott, see if that is that case BEFORE reinstall
[02:58] <gogearvibe4g> :D
[02:58] <Zyclops> hey guys, is it possible to setup a connection to openvpn without installing a 3rd party client?
[02:58] <miiike> escott, okay i'll look
[02:58] <codex84> is forwared
[02:59] <miiike> hiexpo, no i didn't, i'm still just kind of trying to learn my way around linux, this is my first time playing with it so i don't really know too much of what i'm doing
[02:59] <ubusammyn150> even sudo apptitude is telling me there is no drive "e" when i try to re-install libs
[02:59] <ubusammyn150> what is the command to reconfigure ubuntu?
[03:00] <escott> ubusammyn150, ubuntu doesn't use drive letters
[03:00] <Decision> usr13,  so what  do i need to do i can get the realtek driver for linux
[03:00] <ubusammyn150> yea it does
[03:00] <Squall5668> ubusammyn please specify "reconfigure ubuntu"
[03:00] <ubusammyn150> lol
[03:00] <Decision> usr13, no idea how to instal it though
[03:00] <Decision> a .tar.bz2 file
[03:00] <Squall5668> and it really doesn't use them :)
[03:00] <ubusammyn150> like sudo apt-get dpkg-reconfigure is not working what is wrong?
[03:01] <hiexpo> miiike, go there and open that dir   first and see if there is a pro driver there if so click it and it will say not in use click it and use it
[03:01] <CooKieMonster> anyone know what is the best tv viewer for tv tuner card with philips chip on it ?
[03:01] <escott> ubusammyn150, sudo apt-get install program-name-goes-here
[03:01] <hypetech> ubusammyn150: just do sudo dpkg-reconfigure <package>
[03:01] <miiike> hiexpo, how do i get there? it hangs everytime i try and start my laptop
[03:01] <hiexpo> !best | CooKieMonster
[03:01] <ubusammyn150> what if i want to reconfigure everything
[03:01] <hiexpo> miiike, hmm
[03:01] <Squall5668> you reinstall ubusammyn
[03:02] <ubusammyn150> wth is libacme-brainfuk-perl?
[03:02] <ubusammyn150> orry squall your ignored
[03:03] <Squall5668> Oo
[03:03] <usr13> miiike: You have installed nvidia driver and you don't have gui any more?  Is that your situation?
[03:03] <ubusammyn150> soo what exactly would i type...the entire name of the os kernal version?
[03:03] <escott> ubusammyn150, brainfuck is a programming language known for being very hard to understand. used more as a challenge for programmers
[03:03] <miiike> usr13, i just installed ubuntu, and installed that nvidia driver, and now when my laptop starts up it gets to "checking battery state" and hangs there
[03:04] <hiexpo> miiike, push esc button on boot and see it you can boot in safe mode
[03:04] <linuxdemon> how do i install torrents?
[03:04] <escott> ubusammyn150, you will have to explain more what you mean "reconfigure"
[03:04] <escott> !torrent | linuxdemon
[03:04] <usr13> miiike: so you can not login?
[03:04] <hiexpo> linuxdemon, you don't install torrents
[03:04] <usr13> miiike: Describe the screen.
[03:04] <miiike> usr13, nope, i can't do anything, it just stops at the black screen
[03:05] <miiike> hiexpo, i'll try that
[03:05] <linuxdemon> i know that i download them but i have yet to figure out how to install the programs
[03:05] <hiexpo> miiike, good luck   :)
[03:05] <ubusammyn150> libgconf2-4 gconfsanity?? is reporting error 256
[03:05] <ubusammyn150> how do we connect remotely?
[03:05] <escott> linuxdemon, we can't really help you install a program you downloaded off a torrent. we don't even know what it is
[03:05] <usr13> miiike: Ctrl-Alt-F6
[03:05] <linuxdemon> im trying to install parallels
[03:06] <hiexpo> linuxdemon, when you download them click open with and should be default transmission
[03:06] <Squall5668> miiike try shift too, to get the grub menu
[03:06] <jeremymcs> 'xterm-new': unknown terminal type.
[03:06] <usr13> miiike: (Hold Ctrl and Alt keys while hitting    F6
[03:06] <jeremymcs> anyone getting this on 10.10
[03:06] <usr13> miiike: And then login...
[03:07] <escott> !piracy | linuxdemon
[03:07] <miiike> usr13, that worked to log me in, i don't really know what to do from there though
[03:07] <ubusammyn150> i want to repair version 10.04 via terminal...
[03:07] <ubusammyn150> the entire os
[03:07] <ubusammyn150> not just one package or module
[03:08] <escott> jeremymcs, where are you getting this problem
[03:08] <usr13> miiike: Now what error were you getting?
[03:08] <escott> ubusammyn150, have you tried virtualbox?
[03:08] <Mitchell-92> Hey... I have a question - how does unity compare to gnome 3?
[03:08] <MrBean> Hi all, is it safe to use the gui frontend to APT (synaptic?) and CLI APT mixed?
[03:08] <escott> ubusammyn150, and how would parallels help you exactly !xy | ubusammyn150
[03:08] <lucus> hi... wanted to ask if it is worth migrating to btrfs at this stage
[03:08] <ubusammyn150> some packages are installed virtually and should not be
[03:09] <miiike> usr13, i wasn't getting a specific error, it would just hang when it got to "Checking Battery State" when it was booting
[03:09] <escott> lucus, no not really
[03:09] <jeremymcs> escott: whenever i type something, lol
[03:09] <ubusammyn150> wth does virtualbox have anything to do with what i'm trying to do?
[03:09] <ubusammyn150> it  doesnt
[03:09] <escott> jeremymcs, its probably something in your .bashrc did you mess with that
[03:09] <usr13> miiike: So this was right after install?
[03:09] <escott> ubusammyn150, sorry confused you with linuxdemon
[03:09] <jeremymcs> escott: nope
[03:09] <ubusammyn150> =/
[03:10] <jeremymcs> clean install, out of box ive gotten this on 2 machines
[03:10] <tjiggi_fo> MrBean, yes
[03:10] <miiike> usr13, i installed it and it started up with no problems, then i went to "additional drivers" and it suggested an nvidia driver, so i installed that and restarted and since i restarted it's been hanging at the battery message
[03:10] <escott> jeremymcs, its something about the terminal client you are using. it is reporting itself as xterm-new instead of xterm, and that is causing problems in the bashrc or somewhere
[03:10] <jeremymcs> escott: term is set for xterm-new .. and it gets that error
[03:10] <usr13> miiike: ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:11] <lucus> escott: was thinking about all those goodies about subvolumes and compression. Seems a good scenario for dualbooting and installing other distros on the same partition. Is it very unstable at the moment?
[03:11] <usr13> miiike: What does that ^^^ say?
[03:11] <Bendyr> Hey I just installed ubuntu 11.04 on a dell mini 9, replacing a mac osx installation.  When I try to boot I get "boot0: error", but if I boot through a thumb drive I can get into ubuntu fine.  Is there a way to fix the bootloader without doing a full reinstall?
[03:11] <escott> linuxdemon, try virtualbox legal, no torrents and in the apt archive
[03:11] <linuxdemon> i have two questions...how does unity compare to gnome and also is wine the best windows emulator
[03:11] <miiike> just says "
[03:11] <miiike> "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[03:12] <escott> lucus, yeah... except for the random fsck errors when you get more than 15 subvolumes, and the slowness using firefox, and the unrecoverability from errors its great!
[03:12] <MrBean> tjiggi_fo: thanks
[03:12] <usr13> miiike: sudo  rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; sudo  /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:12] <escott> lucus, for a throwaway system by all means give it a go. but its not realistic for a system you will actually use
[03:12] <lucus> escott: LOL!!! You got me...
[03:13] <miiike> usr13, ooh, it went past it and to the login screen now
[03:13] <ubusammyn150> cannot open aptitude state file?
[03:13] <escott> lucus, im only running it now because im taking a break before school and have lots of spare time if it goes kapute
[03:13] <usr13> miiike: Yea, do it.
[03:14] <usr13> miiike: let us know what happens.
[03:14] <usr13> miiike: Oh, you have login screen now?  Good!  :)
[03:14] <miiike> usr13, yeah haha, i'm going to restart and make sure it'll go all the way now
[03:14] <usr13> miiike: Sorry... didn't understand you.
[03:14] <lucus> escott: to be completely honest I did an install. Have 3 subvolumes at the moment. @32 @64 @home. Works fine, only booting takes ages...
[03:14] <usr13> miiike: Ok.
[03:15] <miiike> usr13, out of curiosity, what did that actually do?
[03:15] <usr13> miiike: just got rid of an improperly written config file.
[03:15] <escott> lucus thats the fsck scans the whole drive takes 2+ minutes
[03:16] <usr13> miiike: ... and restarted the Xserver
[03:16] <rsouthard_> can someone recommend an easy program to resize icons?
[03:16] <miiike> usr13, ahh okay.  it started up perfectly, thanks so much!
[03:16] <usr13> miiike: You removed the file   /etc/X11/xorg.conf  file and restarted gdm which is the Desktop window manager.
[03:17] <lucus> escott: Is it necessary to do an fsck at every boot? can't this be tuned? I remember Hardy took over 2 minutes in similar situations, but every 30 boots or so
[03:18] <usr13> miiike: But you are now back to the OpenSource nvidia driver.  (And not using the proprietary one you installed earlier, it is not being used anymore.)
[03:18] <miiike> usr13, oh okay.  from what's been explained to me i guess i don't really need the proprietary one anyway
[03:19] <hiexpo> miiike, yes you do
[03:19] <ubusammyn150> still, not even regognizeing sudo apt-get dpkg-reconfigure... says E: invalid operation
[03:20] <jang_tech> miiike, but you can't use compiz.
[03:20] <cc11rocks> hello ubuntu
[03:20] <usr13> miiike: You can (now or later) try and repair it, or.. you can just keep using the OpenSource one, (which for all practical purposes, works just fine).
[03:20] <cc11rocks> when does Ubuntu 11.04 come out?
[03:20] <codex84> ccll
[03:20] <codex84> tommorow
[03:20] <usr13> cc11rocks: Later
[03:20] <cc11rocks> i know Ubuntu 11.04 comes out tomorrow
[03:21] <cc11rocks> like what exact time
[03:21] <xiambax> really?
[03:21] <Squall5668> there is no specified time
[03:21] <xiambax> tomorrow?
[03:21] <cc11rocks> okay ty
[03:21] <miiike> usr13, i wouldn't really even know where to begin with repairing it
[03:21] <codex84> no there time
[03:21] <codex84> bimbo lol
[03:21] <xiambax> im already running ubuntu+1
[03:22] <xiambax> there will be no big differences between what im running now and what gets released tomorrow
[03:22] <varunvyas> hi all
[03:22] <cc11rocks> are the Beta versions different then the official ones?
[03:22] <cc11rocks> xiambax, did you just answer my question?
[03:22] <Squall5668> yes, cc11rocks, they are not stable and they are not supported
[03:22] <cc11rocks> cause i have the Beta version on my flash drive
[03:22] <varunvyas> could i upgread from 10.04 to 11.04 ?
[03:22] <cc11rocks> all the programs kept crashing
[03:22] <Decision> usr13, did i miss your reply.....
[03:22] <rww_> varunvyas: you'd have to go through 10.10 first
[03:23] <varunvyas> ok
[03:23] <cc11rocks> upgrade to 10.10 then to 11.04 when it comes out
[03:23] <varunvyas> thanks friends
[03:23] <cc11rocks> np
[03:23] <Decision> usr13,  i have no idea how to  install the driver
[03:24] <usr13> miiike: well there are tools that can do that, but I think you would need to turn off the Xserver to use them.  nvidia-xconfig  is probably the one you would most likely need to use.  BUT, it is probably the utility that failed and created the error ridden /etc/X11/xorg.conf file in the first place.
[03:24] <harrihu> I'm trying to get a pc with ubuntu 10 something to work with the s video port on the graphics card for a media pc
[03:24] <cc11rocks> does anyone know how to make Ubuntu run faster? it runs quite slow on my computer
[03:24] <harrihu> but it just rolls
[03:25] <cc11rocks> or maybe it's because it on a flash drive...is there a performance drop in using a flash drive over a hard drive? i would think it would be faster in some cases
[03:25] <harrihu> ccllrocks do you know the specs on your computer?
[03:25] <cc11rocks> *it's
[03:25] <usr13> miiike: But, that is not to say it wouldn't work  right the next time.  Who knows...
[03:25] <cc11rocks> yes i do
[03:25] <cc11rocks> one sec
[03:25] <harrihu> ccllrocks it would run way faster using a hard drive over a usb
[03:25] <cc11rocks> oh
[03:25] <harrihu> er um instad of a usb that is
[03:25] <usr13> cc11rocks: pastebinit /proc/cpuinfo
[03:26] <cc11rocks> CPU: Intel Atom N270 @ 1.60 GHz (Diamondville 45nm Technology)
[03:26] <usr13> cc11rocks: pastebinit /proc/meminfo
[03:26] <cc11rocks> RAM: 1.0GB Single-Channel DDR2@ 266 MHz
[03:26] <cc11rocks> Motherboard: ASUSTeK Computer INC. 1005HA
[03:27] <usr13> cc11rocks: is that single core?
[03:27] <cc11rocks> yes
[03:27] <cc11rocks> Graphics: Digital flat panel 1024 X 768
[03:27] <usr13> cc11rocks: What did you install on it?  (What ISO?)
[03:27] <cc11rocks> Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset Family
[03:27] <ubusammyn150> yea i can't find anything related... to my issue in google..most people gave up and re0installed from cd etc
[03:27] <usr13> cc11rocks: lsb_release -a
[03:27] <cc11rocks> i've used 10.04, 10.10, and 11.04 Beta
[03:27] <cc11rocks> they all run kinda slow
[03:28] <harrihu> there is a version of ubuntu for older slower machines called xubuntu if I'm not mistaken (correct me if I'm wrong here )
[03:28] <ubusammyn150> 10.04 should work with older machines?
[03:28] <ubusammyn150> how old is this pc?
[03:28] <cc11rocks> about half a year to a year
[03:28] <usr13> cc11rocks: When is the last time you cracked it open and gave it a good cleaning?
[03:28] <Squall5668> cc11rocks 11.04 will be slow for you since unity needs too much 3d stuff, you can revert to ubuntu classic at login
[03:28] <cc11rocks> it's a netbook
[03:28] <cc11rocks> never usr13
[03:29]  * hiexpo system never broke   <   usually operator  broke 
[03:29] <ubusammyn150> i have ubuntu 11 on my samsung n150 equvilent to a asus eepc
[03:30] <usr13> cc11rocks: Ok.  Open it up.  Take the heat sink off, clean it really good.  Wipe the heat sink contact area and the CPU contact area with alcohol, dry it off. put on new cpu grease, put it back together.
[03:30] <ubusammyn150> i used wubi tho
[03:30] <cc11rocks> with a netbook
[03:30] <cc11rocks> ?
[03:30] <ubusammyn150> yea
[03:30] <mfilipe> hi! i want apply a patch in my kernel (linux-image-generic-pae-2.6.38.8.22), so what is the better way to do this?
[03:30] <ubusammyn150> wubi isnt very popualr tho
[03:30] <harrihu> you don't really need to clean out a netbook
[03:30] <usr13> cc11rocks: Oh, it's a notebook... well.. That's a bit more complicated.
[03:30] <cc11rocks> That's scary man
[03:30]  * Decision wonders if i can be heard
[03:30] <harrihu> it's fine
[03:30] <cc11rocks> i could do it w/ a regular desktop
[03:30] <ubusammyn150> lol
[03:30] <cc11rocks> not with a netbook
[03:30] <rww_> Decision: yes
[03:31] <usr13> cc11rocks: but it still could be clogged up with dust and overheating.
[03:31] <cc11rocks> true
[03:31] <ubusammyn150> all pc's need to be cleaned, but not such a new one
[03:31] <ubusammyn150> then it wouldnt even get bios
[03:31] <cc11rocks> running Windows 7 starter is fine
[03:31] <cc11rocks> it's fast
[03:31] <harrihu> just be sure to keep the vents open so the fans can work and if needed use a laptop cooling pad
[03:31] <usr13> ubusammyn150: They darn sure do in my house!  :)
[03:31] <cc11rocks> i would dual boot if Ubuntu was faster...
[03:31] <harrihu> it should be fine
[03:31] <ubusammyn150> lol
[03:31] <Johny_GM> hai everwyone..what time exactly will be ubuntu 11.04 be released?
[03:31] <Squall5668> Decision: what's wrong? i didn't see anything
[03:31] <ubusammyn150> ubuntu is faster
[03:31] <usr13> Johny_GM: Later
[03:31] <cc11rocks> that's what i asked Johny_GM
[03:31] <ubusammyn150> windows is slower
[03:32] <rww_> Johny_GM: When it's ready. There is no set time.
[03:32] <cc11rocks> i know
[03:32] <Squall5668> no specified time jhony
[03:32] <harrihu> as far as the netbook running slow there isn't much you can do. I'd make sure you aren't doing too much multitasking
[03:32] <multipass_> !countdown
[03:32] <cc11rocks> but Ubuntu is running slower on my computer
[03:32] <cc11rocks> not using as much RAM, but just slower
[03:32] <rww_> !countdown
[03:32] <usr13> harrihu: you could try a more lightweight Desktop Manager
[03:32] <ubusammyn150> the ubuntu netbook versions i dont think install the proper integrated gfx drivers
[03:32] <usr13> cc11rocks: you could try a more lightweight Desktop Manager
[03:33] <usr13> cc11rocks: xfce is fast
[03:33] <ubusammyn150> after i install the 965 chipset drivers it seemed to run faster
[03:33] <harrihu> Well actually I'm not worried about speed I have another problem
[03:33] <loller> ##namespace is the cool place to hang out. You can find most of the cool people there. In ##namespace you can just chill and do whatever and totally relax. "Take it easy" is the ##namespace motto, for example, that's how laid back it is there. Show up if you want to have a good time. Another good reason to show up is if you want to hang out with friends.
[03:33] <usr13> !xfce
[03:33] <harrihu> the s - video port rolls and is un viewable in ubuntu
[03:34] <harrihu> I need it to work because it's a media pc
[03:34] <ubusammyn150> ty ubottu
[03:34] <harrihu> worked fine in xp
[03:34] <rww_> loller: Don't advertise in here.
[03:34] <usr13> xfce is a little more limited, but not all that much.
[03:34] <cc11rocks> just went to the release party chat...they say it will be April 28th somewhere in the world
[03:34] <ubusammyn150> lol
[03:34] <usr13> it's pretty nice
[03:34] <ubusammyn150> thats funny, dont advertise hehe
[03:35] <cc11rocks> me?
[03:35] <ubusammyn150> just dont advertise anything ot xD
[03:35] <ubusammyn150> yea it the 28th is austrailia
[03:36] <Guest11601> ..
[03:36] <cc11rocks> it IS the 28th in Australia or it will be released on the 28th in Austrialia?
[03:36] <cc11rocks> brb
[03:36]  * hiexpo patience is the best virtue 
[03:37] <ubusammyn150> !landscape
[03:37] <uofm49426> why do i need a update for xorg savage ? my laptop is intel i915
[03:37] <Guest11601> hsajhkasa
[03:37] <ubusammyn150> how would landscape get installed without me telling it to?
[03:37] <rww_> uofm49426: because Ubuntu installs a range of Xorg drivers that fit most cards by default
[03:37] <gruvfunk> greetings, I have a 10.04 server (headless, no sound card) running web, mail and pbx - I can't get mp3 audio playback to work via the pbx and left wondering:   Do I need a sound card?  Or am I missing something?
[03:37] <pfifo> does upstart have the ability to run a job as a user other than root? keep in mind, su is not upstart and sudo is not upstart
[03:38] <ubusammyn150> you need a sound card
[03:38] <ubusammyn150> mp3 is encoded and decoded there
[03:38] <loller> if you used Windows you wouldn't need to configure a sound card manually
[03:38] <loller> it would just work out of the box
[03:38] <ubusammyn150> no cpu instruction sets are availble for mp3 codecs yet
[03:38] <multipass_> is it possible to have gnome and gnome3, and switch between them at login?
[03:38] <ubusammyn150> loller stfu
[03:38] <loller> mp3 codecs are included with Windows
[03:39] <loller> why not with Ubuntu?
[03:39] <rww_> loller: stop trolling
[03:39] <rww_> ubusammyn150: stop feeding trolls
[03:39] <uofm49426> i wish ubuntu wouldnt i only have a 3.6 gb of extra space
[03:39] <ubusammyn150> he would still need a sound card
[03:39] <ubusammyn150> lol
[03:39] <gruvfunk> ubusamyn150 thx   and rofl looler
[03:39] <loller> yeah
[03:39] <atlgeorge> q from a ubuntu noob...
[03:39] <ubusammyn150> rww, how am i feeding i want to stop feeding?
[03:39] <loller> try learning to read
[03:39] <atlgeorge> i've got a pkg installed that requires access to port 8010
[03:39] <atlgeorge> but even though the port seems to work by doing a wget locally
[03:40] <rww_> ubusammyn150: "stfu" is neither acceptable language in here nor a good way to stop trolls from talking.
[03:40] <atlgeorge> i can't access from something hitting my AWS instance... ideas?
[03:40] <ubusammyn150> agree
[03:40] <ubusammyn150> sorry
[03:40] <multipass_> is it possible to have gnome and gnome3, and switch between them at login?
[03:40] <uofm49426> 40 gb harddrive half windows haft ubuntu
[03:41] <gruvfunk> rww_ doesn't that just mean Stop Trolling Freenet Ubuntu ?
[03:41] <gruvfunk> Freenode rather
[03:41] <wilfredo> decompensation, I'm not clear on the term
[03:42] <Mac102250> Hey guys, new guy here. So deleted a user and now the damned machine keeps trying to log onto the deleted user, and I get stuck on a screen showing nothing but my desktop backgreound. So what am I doing wrong?
[03:43] <linuxdemon> question. how do i uninstall programs
[03:43] <uofm49426> anyone in here make package for ubuntu
[03:44] <taglass> linuxdemon: synaptic or apt-get remove "programname"
[03:44] <tensorpudding> linuxdemon: search for them in the software center and remove
[03:44] <frankcox777> howdy
[03:44] <mar7ar> !!!!!!!!!!who could help me i have typed by error apt-get remove libusb* then every thing is broken even lan and cd driver so i couldn`t use internet nor use apt-cdrom as source who could help me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:45] <Mac102250> Anyone? C'mon, I need some help here.
[03:45] <linuxdemon> thank you very much
[03:45] <linuxdemon> will there be an update alert for unity on the 28th?
[03:45] <uofm49426> i want a easy way bridge wifi and ethernet
[03:45] <infoloco> hi, I am looking for a software to watch tv on ubuntu, with a tv tuner card.. Suggestions?
[03:45] <Squall5668> Mac102250 please specify, it's trying to login to the deleted user on it's own?
[03:46] <BrumDart> Mac102250: how did you delete the user?
[03:46] <Mac102250> When I turn on the computer, it tries to log directly onto the deleted user
[03:46] <Squall5668> which user did you delete? one you made yourself, or one of the premade ones? :)
[03:46] <taglass> Mac102250: Have a look at /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[03:47] <Mac102250> BrumDart: I clicked the admin tab and went down to the very bottom and clicked "User Groups" or something like that
[03:47] <ubusammyn150> ok where is the config files for synaptic/install update?
[03:48] <Loshki> mar7ar: that's a hard one to recover from. You might have to reinstall from scratch.
[03:48] <Loshki> !tv | infoloco
[03:48] <ubusammyn150> for some reason update and all commands in terminal refer to E: drive or an internet connection, someone remotely connected and messed up my system
[03:48] <uofm49426> how do i tell video ram used i ubuntu
[03:48] <infoloco> ok perfect
[03:48] <taglass> Mac102250: The file I gave you controls automatic login.
[03:48] <infoloco> thks alot
[03:48] <Mac102250> Oh?
[03:48] <uofm49426> i have a intel i915gm
[03:48] <taglass> /etc/gdm//custom.conf
[03:49] <ubusammyn150> So how do i restore the config files?
[03:49] <ubusammyn150> hm
[03:49] <frankcox777> Mac10
[03:49] <frankcox777>  http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/faq/support_faq_linux.html
[03:50] <frankcox777> sorry-infoloco was looking for tuner software
[03:50] <rapeman> rapeman: Welcome to #ubuntu! #ubuntu is the cool place to hang out. You can find most of the cool people there. In #ubuntu you can just chill and do whatever and totally relax. "Take it easy" is the #ubuntu motto, for example, that's how laid back it is there. Show up if you want to have a good time. Another good reason to show up is if you want to hang out with friends.
[03:50] <atlgeorge> with ubuntu on an AWS instance... ubuntu firewall disabled, aws security group set to wide open (0-65535 on 0.0.0.0/0), is there any reason i shouldn't be able to connect to a port by hitting my AWS IP?
[03:50] <mfilipe> I'm using a generic-pae kernel and I want apply a patch on him. I will install linux-source and kernel-package but how do I do to active PAE support?
[03:50] <Spaz_Dynamic> I boot my computer, and get dumped to tty2. switching to tty7 shows that most things loaded (I think). I log in to tty2 and running startx gives me a segfault, and says that the server is aborting.
[03:51] <frankcox777> Infoloco -here is a link for Hauppauge cards
[03:51] <frankcox777> http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/faq/support_faq_linux.html
[03:51] <oscar-linux> has anyone has found something interesting on ubuntu 11.04?
[03:51] <hiexpo> mfilipe, there is no support using pae
[03:51] <syntaur> atlgeorge: You sure the program isn't binding to localhost or something?
[03:52] <rww_> mfilipe: just use the PAE kernel package...
[03:52] <Mac102250> taglass: How do I edit the file? It skips and goes straight the the deleted account, and I'm unable to do anything.
[03:52] <rww_> !pae
[03:52] <atlgeorge> so sorry, whoever was kind enough to reply... i accidnetally termed my channel window, can you pls repost?
[03:52] <frankcox777> can anyone tell me how to take a version of a game from one Ubuntu install and put it in another with the same program-different version?
[03:52] <taglass> Mac102250: I would change AutomaticLoginEnable=true to false
[03:52] <syntaur> atlgeorge: No prob :P You sure the program isn't binding to localhost or something?
[03:52] <rww_> atlgeorge: 02:51:58 < syntaur> atlgeorge: You sure the program isn't binding to localhost or something?
[03:53] <rww_> ah, nvm :)
[03:53] <mfilipe> rww_, but linux-source package hasn't pae enabled
[03:53] <Squall5668> Mac102250 you can press ctrl+alt+f1 to drop to tty1
[03:53] <rww_> !pae > mfilipe
[03:53] <Mac102250> Oh
[03:53] <mfilipe> hum... ok
[03:53] <mfilipe> thanks
[03:53] <atlgeorge> syntaur: i'd be surprised, but it's worth a look. we've run this away from AWS without issues like that... but who knows.
[03:55] <ubusammyn150> ubuntu has no pae?
[03:55] <cc11rocks> can you upgrade from Ubuntu Beta 11.04 to official version?
[03:55] <syntaur> atlgeorge: That's all I can think of. If firewall isn't interfering, and you can access it locally, but not remotely.
[03:55] <cc11rocks> do you lose any data?
[03:55] <rww_> !final | cc11rocks
[03:56] <gruvfunk> ubusammyn150 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE
[03:56] <atlgeorge> syntaur: worth a shot, thx, it'll take some code archaeology, unfortunately (not my code, of course)
[03:56] <cc11rocks> ty
[03:56] <hcook> hey guys. i'm looking to install a 32 bit program (Guitar Pro 6) on 10.10 AMD64 with a wrapper. the only doc i found about this was really old: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 ...just wondering whether that information is still valid and/or whether anybody had a pointer to something more appropriate.
[03:56] <cordoval_> anyone knows how to default browser on ubuntu 11.04? I want to set it chrome as default as it was before the upgrade changed it to firefox? any command or setting?
[03:56] <ubusammyn150> cool
[03:56] <cc11rocks> remove firefox
[03:57] <cordoval_> is that the only way?
[03:57] <cordoval_> i want to keep it just in case
[03:57] <cordoval_> not all works on chrome you know
[03:57] <Mac102250> Squall5668, taglass...You've both been tremendously helpful. Thank you.
[03:57] <cc11rocks> to make vlc media player default, i had to remove all the media apps that came w/ it
[03:57] <ravibn> Unable to capture audio and record in gnome-sound-recorder ver 2.31 Maverick 10.10
[03:57] <Squall5668> anytime Mac
[03:57] <frankcox777> can any one tell me how to take a game out of one ubuntu install and copy it to another? The other install has a version of the same game already
[03:57] <ravi> hey guys ..
[03:57] <ravi> had a question ..
[03:57] <cordoval_> anyone how to set default browser on 11.04
[03:57] <stravant> I have a problem with mounting USB drives. Ubuntu always used to automatically mount USB sticks when I plugged them in, but it suddenly isn't anymore. I have already checked the /automount-stuff key in gconfig and it is set to true. How should I proceed now to figure out what's wrong?
[03:57] <stravant> These other things also stopped working around the same time (maybe at the same time?): My deskop is stuck automatically setting "keep desktop organized by name" when I log in. Also, Nautilus is all of a sudden taking forever to open large folders, when it was virtually instant before.
[03:57] <ravi> is 11.04 a LTS ?
[03:57] <cordoval_> what is the name for 11.04?
[03:58] <rww_> ravi: no
[03:58] <Squall5668> cordoval_ natty narwal
[03:58] <Spaz_Dynamic> natty
[03:58] <cordoval_> natty
[03:58] <cordoval_> anyone knows how to set default browser on natty?
[03:58] <ravi> rww_, any known bugs with 11.04?
[03:58] <rww_> ravi: yes
[03:58] <ravi> if going from 10.04 - 11.04
[03:58] <Squall5668> cordoval_ try "update-alternatives –config x-www-browser"
[03:58] <cordoval_> i had a similar problem with usb yesterday
[03:58] <rww_> ravi: 10.04 to 11.04 requires going through 10.10 first.
[03:58] <Squall5668> cordoval_ if should ask for a default browser
[03:58] <ravi> :(
[03:59] <piovisqui> 7/topic
[03:59] <ravibn> Unable to capture audio and record in gnome-sound-recorder ver 2.31 Maverick 10.10
[03:59] <cordoval_> updaterelatives
[03:59] <ravibn> pl help
[03:59] <fieris> exit
[03:59] <cordoval_> why ?
[03:59] <cordoval_> why '?'
[03:59] <ravi> any1 tried 11.04 on a thinkpad?
[03:59] <stravant> cordoval_: Did you find any solutions?
[03:59] <ravi> i had trouble with 10.10
[03:59] <cc11rocks> well yesterday when i was doing some stuff, my main HDD stopped showing up
[03:59] <ravi> on a lenovo
[03:59] <cordoval_> yes mount it manually and perhaps it can work after a reset, check permissions too
[04:00] <cc11rocks> when i tried to set VLC media player as default, i kept getting error messages
[04:00] <cordoval_> update-alternatives -config x-www-browser
[04:00] <Squall5668> you asked how to change default browser didn't you? that command will ask for a browser to use at gnome gui tools
[04:00] <cc11rocks> it was working and then just took a dump
[04:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> I boot my computer, and get dumped to tty2. switching to tty7 shows that most things loaded (I think). I log in to tty2 and running startx gives me a segfault, and says that the server is aborting.
[04:00] <ravibn> ravi : search for ramsrambo in ubuntu Forums under Dell
[04:01] <ravi> why dell ravibn
[04:01] <ravi> ?
[04:01] <ravibn> Unable to capture audio and record in gnome-sound-recorder ver 2.31 Maverick 10.10 Pl help
[04:01] <cordoval_> update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[04:01] <cordoval_> sudo of course
[04:01] <ravi> i have a lenovo ..
[04:01] <Squall5668> yes, sorry
[04:01] <ravibn> ravi : bcos I had few problems while installing on latitude
[04:02] <taglass> cordoval_: you might have to do gnome-www-browser as well
[04:02] <ravi> oh ..
[04:02] <ravi> not good
[04:02] <cordoval_> oh thanks
[04:02] <cordoval_> will check
[04:02] <ravi> i guess ill have to stick with 10.04 :(
[04:02] <ravi> i was so excited
[04:02] <Squall5668> tell us if that solves your problem
[04:02] <cordoval_> ravi don't
[04:02] <as2000> will I have to re-install after the release tomorrow?
[04:02] <rww_> as2000: no, you can upgrade
[04:02] <ravibn> Any one Here : Unable to capture audio and record in gnome-sound-recorder ver 2.31 Maverick 10.10
[04:03] <cordoval_> give me a url
[04:03] <ravibn> or suggest any other sound recorder
[04:03] <cordoval_> http://www.pastie.org
[04:03] <hiexpo> rww_, gonna get busy
[04:03] <Spaz_Dynamic> I boot my computer, and get dumped to tty2. switching to tty7 shows that most things loaded (I think). I log in to tty2 and running startx gives me a segfault, and says that the server is aborting. How can I resolve the segfault and get a GUI running again?
[04:03] <ravi> i can upgrade without issues?
[04:03] <cordoval_> ahh still firefox pops up
[04:03] <cordoval_> rats!
[04:04] <celestial> hi everyone i have a question is there a filesystem like ntfs for linux that dont have file permissions blocking from use on other computers for me the ntfs driver seems to be slow
[04:04] <slimdoogi> hi i was trying to find a graphics driver but cannot determin my actual hardware. this is what i get in lshw. http://pastebin.com/0ck07caE   is there any other option to find my exact hardware?
[04:04] <cordoval_> perhaps I need to restart
[04:04] <Squall5668> cordoval_ what was the command msg? any errors?
[04:04] <cordoval_> command msg for what?
[04:04] <brianous> hi
[04:04] <cordoval_> no errors
[04:04] <brianous> how many hours to ubuntu? :D
[04:04] <cordoval_> 0 auto chrome
[04:05] <cordoval_> 1 manual ff
[04:05] <rww_> brianous: it'll be released when it's done, not at a set time
[04:05] <cordoval_> 2 manual chrome
[04:05] <Squall5668> what did you change it to?
[04:05] <hcook> based on what i've seen of the blendtech i'm pretty sure it'll blend
[04:05] <hcook> woops
[04:05] <cordoval_> to 2 and then now to 0
[04:05] <taglass> cordoval_: I'm not sure, but maybe you can pick chrome in the Preferred Applications gui?
[04:05] <hcook> sorry wrong tab
[04:05] <Spaz_Dynamic> hcook: +1
[04:05] <brianous> oh I thought there was a countdown
[04:05] <cordoval_> where is that?
[04:05] <cordoval_> preferred
[04:05] <brianous> came to join the party
[04:05] <taglass> cordoval_: System Settings
[04:05] <hcook> hey guys. i'm looking to install a 32 bit program (Guitar Pro 6) on 10.10 AMD64 with a wrapper. the only doc i found about this was really old: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 ...just wondering whether that information is still valid and/or whether anybody had a pointer to something more appropriate.
[04:06] <cordoval_> how to get there, this is natty I don't know where things went
[04:06] <virusuy> anyone knows when (hour) is natty launched ?
[04:06] <cc11rocks> i code in java...how do you start jar files?
[04:06] <Squall5668> cordoval even though we don't support natty here, try searching :)
[04:06] <taglass> click on your name in the top right of screen
[04:06] <cc11rocks> in windows all i have to do is double click it...
[04:06] <brianous> java -d classpath name.jar
[04:06] <cordoval_> just got it
[04:06] <mickster04> !who
[04:06] <taglass> err I'm sorry on the power button
[04:06] <cordoval_> had to search it the natty way
[04:06] <taglass> bottom entry
[04:07] <cordoval_> well thanks for that
[04:07] <cordoval_> give me http://www.pastie.org
[04:07] <cordoval_> ok now it is solved
[04:07] <cc11rocks> thanks
[04:07] <cordoval_> nice
[04:07] <ryan_> is there a specific channel to get support for errors? (specifically with ubuntu)
[04:07] <cordoval_> I like natty
[04:07] <FloodBot2> cordoval_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:07] <cordoval_> sorry
[04:07] <Squall5668> glad it's fixxed, and thanks taglass, i have to stop being a CLI warrior :)
[04:08] <Herbs> hi all, have an ubuntu box that keeps respawning basically tty1 seems to be crashing and constantly respawning anyone got any ideas Im flumoxed
[04:08] <cc11rocks> how do i make an executable jar file? in windows it works but in Ubuntu it says it's not executable and that i need a script
[04:08] <cc11rocks> do i have to use scripts?
[04:08] <Spaz_Dynamic> cc11rocks: have you set the permissions?
[04:08] <Squall5668> Herbs, did you try booting in recovery mode?
[04:08] <cc11rocks> permissions for?
[04:08] <ryan_> hey everyone, i just set up ubuntu on my new lenovo thinkpad and the mouse is going crazy, i jumps all over the screen and I have to restart the laptop to fix it... what the heck can I do to fix this, i'm very new to ubuntu
[04:08] <cc11rocks> Ubuntu?
[04:08] <Herbs> oops forgot to mention thats when you try to login single user works fine
[04:09] <slimdoogi> cc11rocks, sudo chmod +x /your/file
[04:09] <cc11rocks> java?
[04:09] <Spaz_Dynamic> cc11rocks: the jar file
[04:09] <cordoval_> I used to have indicators on 10.10 on the pannels how do I get them back? I had temperature sensors and my messages would popup or windows for me to select
[04:09] <BrumDart> cc11rocks: you need to change the permissions of the file to be executable
[04:09] <cordoval_> can i still have pannels?
[04:09] <slimdoogi> cc11rocks, in termional of course
[04:09] <Squall5668> ryan_ try this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[04:09] <cc11rocks> oh...so just right click it, properties *cuts off*
[04:10] <cc11rocks> can i do it through the GUI?
[04:10] <Minimal> Hey any1 knows how long till the 11.04 realse??
[04:10] <cc11rocks> or terminol?
[04:10] <cc11rocks> no Minimal
[04:10] <rww_> !countdown
[04:10] <cc11rocks> !countdown
[04:10] <celthunder> cc11rocks: java -jar <file>
[04:10] <cc11rocks> doesn't work
[04:10] <Minimal> :(
[04:10] <Minimal> I know its the 28th but acording to what time zone ? :(
[04:10] <celthunder> or javacc i think works
[04:10] <cc11rocks> celthunder...and that makes it an executable jar?
[04:10] <cordoval_> I can be distracted in a content and forget about things I was doing, that is why I think panels were useful
[04:10] <Herbs> sorry Squall5668 forgot to mention thats when trying to login when it tries to authenticate the user tty1 dies and respawns its an 8.04 server (not mine)
[04:11] <cordoval_> now with natty I can't keep track of other things
[04:11] <cordoval_> how to solve it?
[04:11] <BrumDart> cc11rocks: that wont make it executable, that will just run the jar from a command line
[04:11] <cc11rocks> so i just have to jar it up in Ubuntu instead of Windows right?
[04:11] <cordoval_> dropbox icon running does not show either
[04:11] <cordoval_> skype does but hardly
[04:11] <Squall5668> Herbs: so, what about "recovery mode"
[04:11] <cc11rocks> so how do i make it an exe jar?
[04:11] <Squall5668> Herbs: did you try it?
[04:11] <cc11rocks> it's an exe in Windows
[04:11] <cc11rocks> i thought Java was multi-platform
[04:11] <Spaz_Dynamic> cc11rocks: are you talking about minecraft, by chance?
[04:11] <Spaz_Dynamic> xD
[04:12] <celthunder> it is
[04:12] <cc11rocks> i don't have any OS specific things in my code
[04:12] <slimdoogi> cc11rocks, did u not get the command i typed to u?
[04:12] <cc11rocks> mincraft is?
[04:12] <cc11rocks> a game?
[04:12] <BrumDart> cc11rocks: slimdoogi posted a solution earlier
[04:12] <BrumDart> chmod +x jarfile
[04:12] <Herbs> sorry Squall5668 single user logins in fine the permissions on dev/tty1 look fine and the script in /etc/events.d/tty1 looks fine also
[04:13] <cc11rocks> okay cool...so to be clear, BrumDart, that is the answer?
[04:13] <Spaz_Dynamic> and then
[04:13] <Spaz_Dynamic> java -jar /path/to/your/file.jar
[04:13] <cc11rocks> i know the second part
[04:13] <cordoval_> also I can't zoom like i used to with the windows key
[04:13] <cordoval_> it used to zoom the whole desktop in and out
[04:13] <cc11rocks> i make JARs through CLI in Windows
[04:13] <Squall5668> Herbs: you still haven't answered my question, Did you try booting in recovery mode? if you don't know how to, please ask me
[04:13] <cordoval_> and now that feature is gone!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[04:13] <cordoval_> rats!
[04:14] <Herbs> sorry Squall5668 single user is recovery mode
[04:14] <BrumDart> cc11rocks: i always run jar files from the command line anyway, i've never tried just double clicking one from inside the file manager
[04:14] <cordoval_> i want to like natty, but not sure how to do some things
[04:14] <cordoval_> is there a tutorial on how to handle it better?
[04:14] <xsinick_laptop> when is the ubuntu relase?
[04:14] <cordoval_> any natty tutorial?
[04:14] <cc11rocks> well, i distribute to users
[04:14] <wilfredo> I get a message saying decompensation, I have installed an AMD Phenom AMD a motherboard ECS ELITEGROUP MCP61M-M3 and when I install Ubuntu gives me eror what does that mean? I have also installed a 1GB DDR3 memory ADATA brand, has a hard disk of 160 gb samsumg brand
[04:14] <xsinick_laptop> is it at 12:am
[04:14] <taglass> cordoval_: There are some videos on youtube people have posted
[04:14] <cc11rocks> they don't want to use CLI
[04:14] <rww_> xsinick_laptop: it's not at a set time
[04:15] <cordoval_> going to check now
[04:15] <cordoval_> thanks
[04:15] <celthunder> cc11rocks: add a shebang to it? idk if that'd work or not
[04:15] <celthunder> just an idea
[04:15] <cordoval_> will they be enough, I just wonder
[04:15] <cc11rocks> shebang?
[04:15] <sdegutis> im using an irc client.
[04:15] <cordoval_> how to search "natty"?
[04:15] <cc11rocks> what is that?
[04:15] <Spaz_Dynamic> I require assistance. I boot my computer, and get dumped to tty2. switching to tty7 shows that most things loaded (I think). I log in to tty2 and running startx gives me a segfault, and says that the server is aborting. How can I resolve the segfault and get a GUI running again?
[04:15] <celthunder> cc11rocks: #!/usr/bin/java -jar  at the top of the file
[04:15] <cordoval_> alpha 3?
[04:15] <BrumDart> cc11rocks: will the other users be running the jar on a windows or linux system?
[04:15] <Herbs> sorry Squall5668 and I told you I tried single user and that works fine
[04:15] <cc11rocks> both
[04:16] <cdoktor19> where to download ubuntu 11.04 release ?????
[04:16] <celthunder> probably wouldn't work as that's not even java but :/ i just run mine from the cli
[04:16] <Herbs> sorry Squall5668 whats your experience no offence Im a 2nd line Linux engineer
[04:16] <rww_> cdoktor19: it's not out yet
[04:16] <xsinick_laptop> rww_: it's exactly april 29th  like after 12 tonight would I be available as said on the site?
[04:16] <ChogyDan> Spaz_Dynamic: have you checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[04:16] <cdoktor19> aw aw aw
[04:16] <cc11rocks> add  "#!/usr/bin/java -jar" to the manifest file?
[04:16] <Squall5668> Herbs: mine is probably worse :)
[04:16] <rww_> xsinick_laptop: it'll be released sometime between now and when it stops being April 28th everywhere in the world.
[04:16] <taglass> cc11rocks: Try looking at http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html  You could make a clickable icon that way.
[04:16] <rww_> assuming it isn't delayed :3
[04:17] <cdoktor19> are 28 April now
[04:17] <bloopletech> Think of the release date more as a guide than a statement of actual temporal certainty
[04:17] <cc11rocks> April 28 for me in 4 hours
[04:17] <BrumDart> cc11rocks another solution would be to make a 2 line bash script that will launch the jar file
[04:17] <wilfredo> q slow write apology for speaking Spanish
[04:17] <cordoval_> que cosa?
[04:17] <cordoval_> como que apologies?
[04:17] <cc11rocks> not familiar with bash script
[04:17] <rww_> !es
[04:17] <Spaz_Dynamic> ChogyDan: yeah, I don't know what to look for though. it points out the segfault near the bottom as well
[04:17] <cc11rocks> similar to batch script? i know what it is
[04:17] <xsinick_laptop> for me in an hour and it's 28th
[04:17] <cc11rocks> just don't know for to code
[04:18] <Herbs> I get lost with the differences in Ubuntu sometimes becaue Im so used to Red hat based distros
[04:18] <ChogyDan> Spaz_Dynamic: is this a new install?
[04:18] <xsinick_laptop> US eastern time is the time everyone runs on
[04:18] <cdoktor19> ohhhh, i think they copy to all server in the world now
[04:18] <rww_> !countdown
[04:19] <hiexpo> gonna be alotof problems in the beginning for 11.04   >   servers gonna be overwhelmed  and lots of bad md5sum's
[04:19] <cc11rocks> Ubuntu 11.04 is NOT online yet...
[04:19] <cc11rocks> countdown
[04:19] <cc11rocks> !countdown
[04:19] <cc11rocks> doesn't work
[04:19] <Spaz_Dynamic> ChogyDan: somewhat. I did install it yesterday, but I also set my graphics driver to proprietary and attempted to update to 11.04
[04:19] <taglass> xsinick_laptop: I know redhat releases are EST based.  I would assume Canonical are using GMT though?
[04:19] <|SonGoku|> Buenas noches..
[04:19] <Spaz_Dynamic> ChogyDan: after the update though, i get this.
[04:19] <celestial> can anyone help filesystem with no permissions like ntfs but native linux
[04:20] <|SonGoku|> Alguien habla español ?
[04:20] <tripelb> re how to play this video: video formats vob bup ifo - this is what I have. what do I do? There are lots of files instead of one AVI file. Normally I like to use VLC
[04:20] <ChogyDan> Spaz_Dynamic: I suggest reinstalling
[04:20] <rww_> cc11rocks: please use #ubuntu-release-party for Ubuntu release-related comments ;)
[04:20] <rww_> |SonGoku|: /join #ubuntu-es
[04:20] <Spaz_Dynamic> !es |SonGoku|
[04:20] <BrumDart> cc11rocks: i'll throw an example into a pastebin for you
[04:20] <|SonGoku|> thanks!!!!
[04:20] <hiexpo> !es |SonGoku|
[04:20] <taglass> tripelb: That's a dvd.
[04:21] <tripelb> taglass. I downloaded it from the internet. it's all in a directory. what do I do to play it? thanks
[04:21] <cc11rocks> thanks
[04:21] <Spaz_Dynamic> ChogyDan: bah, really?
[04:21] <temporarytao> hi, can anyone point me where to find help adding postgresql support to my LAMP setup?
[04:21] <cc11rocks> what's the address? or you'll give it to me in a minute
[04:21] <cc11rocks> ?
[04:21] <wilfredo> thanks for your help tomorrow, I have to leave my home, I was late luck at all
[04:21] <tripelb> taglass, do I have to make an iso file out of it. I'm so ignorant.
[04:21] <rww_> timccc: tell VLC to open disc and point it to the directory you have
[04:21] <rww_> tripelb: ^^
[04:21] <rww_> timccc: sorry, mistab
[04:21] <tripelb> rww_, thanks
[04:21]  * tripelb just loves this channel.
[04:22] <ChogyDan> Spaz_Dynamic: yeah.. it is the fastest solution
[04:22] <cdoktor19> can some one tell me what version must i download i386 or amd64 my processor is Intel Core2Duo T6570 i read in cpu test its 64-bit processor
[04:22] <BrumDart> cc11rocks: http://pastebin.com/UXwtqWwi
[04:22] <celthunder> cdoktor19: amd64
[04:23] <cc11rocks> thanks BrumDart...how to PM?
[04:23] <celthunder> though you can run either...no reason not to run 64 if you can
[04:23] <timccc> rww_: when you beeped me, my VLC paused
[04:23] <Spaz_Dynamic> ChogyDan: Eh, alright. I have a separate /home partition, when installing, how do I make it so that it doesn't install a new one and uses the old one as my ~
[04:23] <timccc> how does that work?
[04:23] <evilsushi> anyone here familiar or is using duplicity for backups? how far has it scaled for you? would you use this in a enterprise environment?
[04:23] <cc11rocks> !BrumDart Testing
[04:23] <timccc> ha
[04:23] <celthunder> Spaz_Dynamic: setup the partitions and don't format /home?
[04:23] <cdoktor19> even my processor not AMD based ?
[04:23] <tripelb> rww_, wow I can do the same thing then with the iso file from the dvd I copied -- then destroyed the original so I cant read it. Oh my Ponyo will be saved.
[04:23] <temporarytao> cdoktor19, be warned though. i think flash isn't that great with 64 flavor yet
[04:23] <Spaz_Dynamic> celthunder: alright, thanks. I've just never done it before so I wasn't 100% certain.
[04:23]  * tripelb dances a bit.
[04:24] <celthunder> cdoktor19: yeah it's fin
[04:24] <celthunder> temporarytao: flash works fine...just make a 32 bit chroot or use multilib
[04:24] <temporarytao> celthunder, i stand corrected
[04:25] <temporarytao> tripelb, loved that movie. good thing you saved it
[04:25] <cdoktor19> how to make a 32 bit chroot ??? am newbie
[04:26] <cdoktor19> how to make a 32 bit chroot or multilib which is the easy way,
[04:26] <Herbs> cdoktor I would advise you learn what chroot does first
[04:26] <celthunder> cdoktor19:  multilib is probably easier then unless you want to seperate 32 bit apps from 64 and since you don't seem to care...
[04:27] <cdoktor19> oh
[04:28] <temporarytao> cdoktor19, that's a bit involved. probably best if you stick with 32 bit first, IMHO.
[04:28] <devkorcvince> any issues on updating 10.10 64 -> 11.04 64?
[04:28] <cordoval_> can i install effects on natty?
[04:28] <cordoval_> sounds the youtube video had effects
[04:29] <cordoval_> was that compiz or some other?
[04:29] <Herbs>  hi all, I have an 8.04 box (not mine) that is failing to login as tty1 is respawning whenever a user is being authenticated, /etc/events.d/tty1 looks ok script content and permissions /dev/tty1 also anyone got any ideas Im lost with this one
[04:29] <ChogyDan> Spaz_Dynamic: just use manual partitioning, and make sure /home isn't formatted
[04:29] <cordoval_> how about copying pasting from the terminal with few keystrokes without having to do the ctrl+c +v thing?
[04:30] <cdoktor19> ok i will fin some information about multilib and how to make a 32 bit chroot, are some one have a link to that page ?
[04:30] <ChogyDan> cordoval_: I use middle click
[04:30] <Herbs> I did think the ownerships of /bin/login were iffy but changing them on test boxes has no affect
[04:31] <cordoval_> anyone knows how to copy paste from the terminal to elsewhere? I highlight but then what?
[04:31] <cordoval_> my mouse has not middle click
[04:31] <cordoval_> or it does the wheel
[04:31] <cordoval_> ?
[04:31] <cordoval_> but is that the way?
[04:31] <crapsh> HI!
[04:31] <ChogyDan> cordoval_: maybe with the wheel, or maybe emulated by pressing both at the same time
[04:31] <cordoval_> oh yeah it works
[04:31] <bloopletech> cordoval_: click both buttons at once
[04:31] <cordoval_> thanks
[04:31] <cordoval_> the wheel is hard though
[04:31] <cordoval_> but simpler
[04:31] <cdoktor19> [ 3551.409037] pwrdown, 0x6(BIT6)=ff
[04:31] <cdoktor19> [ 3551.514123] rtl819xSE:No more TX desc@6, ring->idx = 0,idx = 0, skblen = 0x2a
[04:31] <cdoktor19> [ 3551.514131] rtl819xSE:No more TX desc@6, ring->idx = 0,idx = 0, skblen = 0x2a
[04:31] <cdoktor19> [ 3551.625982] rtl819xSE:No more TX desc@6, ring->idx = 0,idx = 0, skblen = 0x2a
[04:31] <cdoktor19> [ 3551.625989] rtl819xSE:No more TX desc@6, ring->idx = 0,idx = 0, skblen = 0x2a
[04:31] <cdoktor19> [ 3553.415696] pwrdown, 0x6(BIT6)=ff
[04:31] <cdoktor19> [ 3555.415823] pwrdown, 0x6(BIT6)=ff
[04:32] <FloodBot2> cdoktor19: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:32] <audhi> #ubuntu+1
[04:32] <cordoval_> anyone knows how to pastebinit but graphically or to specific service? from a browser or from other editor for instance?
[04:32] <cdoktor19> i have that message, is that ok
[04:32] <cordoval_> pastebinit with the less clicks possible
[04:33] <kellnola> any pitivi users in here?
[04:33] <ChogyDan> cordoval_: what's wrong with the current behaviour?
[04:33] <cordoval_> too many clicks, for instance if I have to select some output from the terminal or a browser
[04:34] <cordoval_> I don't want to paste it into a document or open a browser page
[04:34] <cordoval_> but rather directly click and it saves the url on memory to paste
[04:34] <ChogyDan> cordoval_: pastebinit doesn't involve clicks??
[04:34] <cordoval_> pastebinit is limited to terminal and sometimes i cannot pipe the output that i want
[04:34] <cordoval_> I have to save to document first then use the command
[04:34] <Herbs> ok as you all cant help me with my questio which is fine btw, can anyone point me to a reference for a red hat admins guide to ubuntu servers
[04:34] <cordoval_> a lot of keystrokes
[04:35] <kellnola> Herbs, huh? LOL!
[04:35] <ChogyDan> cordoval_: example?
[04:35] <kellnola> Herbs, missed your question
[04:35] <hiexpo> man pastebinit   >    paste terminal
[04:35] <Herbs> kellnola ubuntu bit like windows keep changing stuff lol
[04:35] <cordoval_> example?
[04:35] <cordoval_> dont you use pastebinit?
[04:35] <beegle> hello peeps
[04:35] <kellnola> Herbs, oh my yes. It can be frustrating.
[04:35] <gogearvibe4g> lols....peeps
[04:35] <cordoval_> php some command | pastebing does not work!
[04:36] <kellnola> the whole init / upstart thing would be painful to an RHEL type
[04:36] <beegle> i like peeps
[04:36] <gogearvibe4g> the mashmallow ones? ^^ me too! xD
[04:36] <Herbs> kellnola basically Im a red hat based server admin and Ive been asked to look at an ubuntu server thats borked but theres a few differences in locations service names stuff like that
[04:36] <ChogyDan> cordoval_: sometimes doing it like this works for me: pastebinit<(command etc etc)
[04:36] <bryar> Hello! ^_^
[04:37] <kellnola> Herbs, LTS is for production. The regular distro is actually pretty bleeding edge
[04:37] <cordoval_> hmmm oh thanks ChogyDan, how to change provider, I want pastie.org rather
[04:37] <sdegutis> <3
[04:37] <sdegutis> /me does not have CTCP actions implemented yet :(
[04:37] <ChogyDan> dunno
[04:37] <cordoval_> rats!
[04:37] <IHateNaggers> 9/11 was an inside job
[04:37] <kellnola> Herbs, what's the prob. exactly?
[04:37] <rww_> !ot | IHateNaggers
[04:37] <rww_> that works too
[04:37] <Herbs> kellnola you cant get more bleeding edge than Fedora :D
[04:38] <mickster04> :D
[04:38] <bryar> Quick question. Does anyone know how to get Gnome 3 for Ubuntu 11.04?
[04:38] <kellnola> Herbs, yes but that is RPM ... ANATHEMA!
[04:38]  * hiexpo without the peeps you guys would be still using windows    >    click - n go       doorknobs 
[04:38] <cdoktor19> :)
[04:38] <Ketterer> hey
[04:38] <cordoval_> rats! need to change to pastie.org
[04:38] <cordoval_> cordoval_: sometimes doing it like this works for me: pastebinit<(command etc etc)	
[04:39] <Ketterer> so i was wondering if it is worth doing a reinstall tomorrow with official if i have beta 2 running right now?
[04:39] <rww_> !final
[04:39] <Herbs> kellnola its just the thinks like no chkconfig I need an ubuntu guide for red hat users :D
[04:39] <hiexpo> !fresh | Ketterer
[04:40] <kellnola> Herbs you can install chkconfig but it doesn't work with everything
[04:40] <hiexpo> Ketterer, fresh install is always better
[04:40] <Herbs> I know but this aint my box
[04:41] <Herbs> and the problem is tty1 dies whenever you try to login
[04:41] <Ketterer> ya i should do fresh ehh thats what i figured ( i have never like upgrade) i used it back on like 6.10 > 7.04 and it screwed me over so iv never liked it but i wasnt sure if it was better now
[04:41] <cordoval_> rats! can someone knows how to change provide for pastebinit?
[04:41] <cordoval_> to pastie.org or is it hardcoded?
[04:42] <Ketterer> thanks guys
[04:42] <Ketterer> have a goo night
[04:42] <hiexpo> rww_, everyone thinks new is betta     hehe      >     I   will stick to my 10.04       >   screaming fast with 2.6.38.5 kernal
[04:42] <kellnola> Herbs, you can use update-rc.d
[04:42] <Gloopie> j
[04:43] <cordoval_> rats!
[04:43] <rcmaehl> hiexpo: my 10.10 LTS is much faster :P
[04:43] <Herbs> kellnola even if its using upstart for tty1 ?
[04:44] <rww_> 10.10 LTS isn't real.
[04:44] <hiexpo> rcmaehl, i get boot at 34 secs    :)    and 10.10 is not lts     :)
[04:44] <RealOpty> ^
[04:44] <kellnola> udo update-rc.d -f daemon remove <- like chkconfig daemon off
[04:45] <Herbs> arent all LTS .04
[04:45] <kellnola> Herbs, yes but not all .04 are LTS
[04:46] <Spaz_Dynamic> howcome numlock is on, though my keyboard indicator is off?
[04:46] <Herbs> kellnola cool I will give it a go as they have alot of custom start up scripts
[04:47] <Herbs> another day though Ive spent long enough
[04:47] <renancoelho> Hi there, ubuntu was taking unusually longer to load and I did a reset, right before the computer turned of I saw that the ubuntu screen came up, therefore everything was fine. However, after restarting it, it goes straight into bash.
[04:47] <renancoelho> Any suggestion?
[04:47] <celthunder> renancoelho: any errors? is gdm running?
[04:48] <renancoelho> gdm? I am really new to ubuntu, although I love it. I am able to run commands and cd places..
[04:48] <hiexpo> new slack out
 when you get dumped to bash if you type init 3 what happens?
[04:49] <renancoelho> didn't try, it said to put a command and when I did it, it would say it could not find it...
[04:49] <Herbs> sorry Im a server admin with red hat based it might be init 5
[04:50] <Herbs> whatever the run level for gui is
[04:50] <renancoelho> I had to boot into windows...
[04:50] <celthunder> Herbs: init 5 is i thought X session init 3 is terminal
[04:50] <renancoelho> each one is gui?
[04:50] <celthunder> init 1 single user and 2/6 reboot/shutdown (i think)
[04:50] <cylob> hey, how long until 11.04 is available for download?
[04:51] <Herbs> init 1 is single user 3 is CLI 6 is reboot I think 5 is gui
[04:51] <renancoelho> I am a single user, will init 1 load single user with gui?
[04:51] <celthunder> Herbs: yeah sounds right
[04:51] <cordoval_> what is the effect like mac minimizing and getting windows opened?
[04:51] <renancoelho> or just command line?
[04:51] <celthunder> renancoelho: no
[04:52] <cordoval_> is that water effect?
[04:52] <gueriLLaPunK> i want to make a SSH shell for a friend. what settings do I enter for his username?
[04:52] <MandoJM> hi
[04:52] <cordoval_> how to set up the mac like effect? for windows?
[04:52] <gueriLLaPunK> like User ID or shell access... just /bin/sh?
[04:52] <celthunder> gueriLLaPunK: whatever you want? just make sure he has a shell and preferably a home dir so he doesn't get thrown in /
[04:52] <cordoval_> how to set up the mac like effect? for windows?	
 no single user dont work like that if you want its the alternate of windows safe mode
[04:52] <cordoval_> anyone?
[04:52] <BC_> anyone know how to get 32-bit compatibiliy working again in natty?  i tried reinstalling it and that did not fix it
[04:52] <snow_us> hi
[04:52] <MandoJM> anybody knows what time is the 11.04 coming out?
[04:53] <cordoval_> it is working on me
[04:53] <celthunder> BC_: install the 32 bit libs?
[04:53] <cordoval_> how to set up the mac like effect? for windows
[04:53] <cordoval_> for windows on natty?
[04:53] <snow_us> I want to know how to remove the "sudo" authority from the first (default) user in ubuntu ?
[04:53] <celthunder> cordoval_: stop repeating...if someone knows they'll answer
[04:53] <renancoelho> Herbs: oh.. ok.. I will try init 5 then... if not I will log back to windows... Thanks!
[04:53] <celthunder> snow_us: visudo
[04:53] <snow_us> I couldn't find the name in /etc/sudoers !
[04:53] <cordoval_> sorry just wanted to repeat the effect that I saw on youtube natty demo
[04:53] <hiexpo> !natty | MandoJM
[04:53] <cordoval_> it had like mac windows dynamics
[04:53] <cordoval_> really nice
[04:53] <cordoval_> i wonder if that is compiz or not
[04:54] <cordoval_> or which values because mine seems too fast or it is not there
[04:54] <MadDecent> google it
[04:54] <apprentice3d> The 11.04 will be on friday
[04:54] <cordoval_> what is the name of that effect?
[04:54] <cordoval_> rats!
[04:54] <cordoval_> how to google it without the name?
[04:54] <snow_us> celthunder:  I couldn't find the name in /etc/sudoers !	
[04:54] <cordoval_> cats!
[04:54] <BC_> the 32 bit libs are already installed and were working up until a about a week ago more or less and then i started getting the wrong elf class errors after one of the updates
[04:54] <Axlin> cordoval_: you mean the "genie" like effect when minimizing? that is a compiz effect, but i can't tell you the name of it at the moment (running kde)
[04:54] <sebsebseb> apprentice3d: nope  11.04 later on Thursday
[04:54] <cordoval_> yes
[04:54] <cordoval_> genie effect
[04:54] <cordoval_> is called?
[04:54] <cordoval_> wow
[04:54] <celthunder> snow_us: hmm...remove it from group wheel/sudo?
[04:55] <rzx237> cordoval_: magic lamp
[04:55] <crackguy> could someone please help me to resolve this issue: (iscsiadm: iscsid is not running. Could not start it up automatically using the startup command in /etc/iscsi/iscsid.start. Please check that the file exists or that your init scripts have started iscsid)
[04:55] <cordoval_> magic lamp thanks!
[04:55] <snow_us> celthunder: what happens if there is no user that has sudo authority :))) ?
[04:56] <celthunder> snow_us: you use su
[04:56] <cordoval_> it does not show up though, sometime I had to do?
[04:56] <apprentice3d> sebsebseb: you're right - 28th is Thursday
[04:56] <snow_us> there is no user called su
[04:56] <celthunder> snow_us: if you don't set a root pw or forget to just login to single user mode and set one
[04:56] <celthunder> snow_us: su is a command to switch user
[04:56] <cordoval_> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/get-the-os-x-genie-effect-in-compiz-easily/
[04:56] <snow_us> ok
[04:57] <sebsebseb> apprentice3d: 28th is today in my time zone
[04:57] <MadDecent> any eta for release?
[04:57] <rww_> MadDecent: no set time, will be announced on the ubuntu-announce list and in #ubuntu-release-party
[04:58] <apprentice3d> Sebsebseb: for me there are still less than 3 minutes :)
[04:58] <AbuMaia> MadDecent: sometime on the 28th ^_^
[04:58] <cc11rocks> for me less than 2
[04:58] <dxer> haha same here
[04:58] <sebsebseb> AbuMaia: well nearly had five hours here of the 28th,  kind of sad that I don't feel tired though in a way, because I been awake quite  a lot of hours now
[04:59] <sebsebseb> AbuMaia: wrong one
[04:59] <sebsebseb> apprentice3d: see above
[04:59] <apprentice3d> I think they should have put a countdown or something because my notebook is now clean and waiting for official 11.04
[04:59] <sebsebseb> apprentice3d: no no count down, because no one knows for suer when it will be out yet
[04:59] <AbuMaia> there was a countdown, only in days though
[04:59] <dxer> is there a way to show the text during boot? (natty beta 2.. for now :))
[05:00] <sebsebseb> apprentice3d: all we know is it's coming out on the 28th in most time zones, some time
[05:00] <xkemix> what time zone do they run on
[05:00] <cordoval_> rats! i followed instructions and got it messed up
[05:00] <xkemix> PST MST CST or EST
[05:00] <AbuMaia> I want to say Pacific
[05:00] <AbuMaia> but I'm not sure
[05:00] <rww_> xkemix: There is no set time or timezone.
[05:00] <rww_> xkemix: It'll be released sometime between now and when it stops being April 18th everywhere on the planet.
[05:01] <apprentice3d> sebsebseb: then I was right, it will be available on Friday (if the servers will survive)
[05:01] <AbuMaia> 28th
[05:01] <sebsebseb> rww_: 18th ?
[05:01] <rww_> sebsebseb: I am falliable!
[05:01] <rww_> xkemix: I mean 28th, as AbuMaia said :)
[05:02] <xkemix> well its 12:01am EST and no download
[05:02] <xkemix> wait for the next hour lol
[05:03] <cordoval_> rats!
[05:03] <bryar> exit
[05:03] <renancoelho> Hi, I am the guy who the gui wouldn't load...
[05:03] <renancoelho> didn't work...
[05:03] <renancoelho> say's it cant find init/
[05:04] <renancoelho> then I tried to do exit, and it says the init is taited...
[05:04] <renancoelho> tainted
[05:04] <semitones> rww_, what's the differences in packages between the natty you can have now, and the natty that comes out later today?
[05:04] <rww_> semitones: The natty that comes out later today contains fixes for any last-minute bugs they find.
[05:04] <rww_> semitones: This actually happened in 10.10 and probably other releases, btw. I'm not being theoretical :)
 if it couldnt find init it wouldnt boot
[05:05] <Herbs> check the users path
[05:05] <semitones> rww_, bugfixes since the last freeze? how much time elapsed since then? :P
[05:05] <cordoval_> anyone on how to get the magic lamp rightly?
[05:05] <cordoval_> old instructions don't work
[05:05] <renancoelho> boots to bash...
[05:05] <renancoelho> check the users path how? sorry really new to this..
[05:05] <rww_> semitones: I haven't been paying attention to the release schedule this cycle, so I dunno how they're doing it. There's no RC this time, so I assume it's different somehow.
[05:06] <Herbs> echo $PATH
[05:06] <renancoelho> Then what do I do with that?
[05:06] <semitones> rww_, huh, cool!
[05:06] <Ziber> If I have an ISO of 10.10, but nothing to burn it to... Can I somehow get it to boot from it?
[05:07] <ubusammyn150> i'm attempting to re-install 10.04..previous install was exploited via remote connection..via landscape i'm assumeing
[05:07] <wtracy1> Ziber: do you have a flash memory stick?
[05:07] <renancoelho> Ziber: how about a usb?
[05:07] <ubusammyn150> create a start-up usb stick useing that iso
[05:07] <ubusammyn150> only works if your pc support booting from usb
[05:07] <Ziber> renancoelho: no... i dont :( i know i could've.
[05:07] <Ziber> and mine does.
[05:07] <cordoval_> rats! nothing on genie effect
 does /etc/init exist?
[05:08] <ubusammyn150> yes
[05:08] <ubusammyn150> ??
[05:08] <wtracy1> Ziber: currently running windows, ubuntu, or something else?
[05:08] <Neo_Kipl1ng> quit
[05:08] <RRU_Sciguy> And you need to make sure that the bios is set to boot from the usb before the HDD
[05:08] <renancoelho> Ziber: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download it shows step by step.
[05:09] <RRU_Sciguy> A guy in my college class ran into that today
[05:09] <renancoelho> Herbs: not sure. it would'nt let me cd to some of the folders...
[05:09] <astropirate> I installed tasksel to install a LAMP server. But when i start up tasksel and chose LAMP it just closes. Could someone help me with this?
[05:09] <Ziber> renancoelho: I have the ISO, I need a way to boot from it without... having anything to install it on.
[05:09] <renancoelho> Herbs: if it is, then what should I do?
[05:09] <Herbs> try sudo
[05:10] <astropirate> it doesn't work with out sudo
[05:10] <renancoelho> I did... wouldn't let me...
[05:10] <RRU_Sciguy> you may need to be root to access certain folders
[05:10] <wtracy1> Ziber: if you're currently running Windows, try Wubi
[05:10] <Ziber> I'm not :(
[05:10] <wtracy1> what are you running?
[05:10] <renancoelho> doesn't let me sudo.
[05:10] <Jordan_U> Ziber: What is currently on the computer?
[05:10] <Ziber> Also, unrelated question, how can I set terminal to support UTF-8?
[05:10] <Ziber> Jordan_U: Well, an older version of ubuntu because thats the only ubuntu CD I had.
[05:10] <Jordan_U> Ziber: It should by default. What problem are you having?
[05:10] <Ziber> I want 10.10
[05:10] <Jordan_U> Ziber: What version?
[05:10] <Herbs> define doesent let you sudo
[05:11] <Ziber> Jordan_U: 8.04, iirc.
[05:11] <RRU_Sciguy> I love sudo, even works in scripts :D
[05:11] <wtracy1> Ziber: try just upgrading in place
[05:11] <Jordan_U> Ziber: You can upgrade directly to 10.04, and from 10.04 upgrade to 10.10.
[05:11] <Herbs> RRU but you have to give your password to those scripts
[05:11] <alanonymous> question for y'all: running 10.10 with wine 1.3, I installed the game Rift, everything works great except when game runs it's ~5 fps and all of the textures are black.  Any idea?  I've googled like a madman and can't figure it out.
[05:11] <Ziber> Jordan_U: do-release-upgrade? just looks like it'll take forever.
[05:12] <wtracy1> Ziber: that or go buy a cd--take your pick
[05:12] <RRU_Sciguy> Herbs I know
[05:12] <Herbs> keys and root ftw :D
[05:12] <Jordan_U> Ziber: It will, especially with the mirrors being hit heavily by users upgrading to 11.04 (which will be released some time in the next 24 hours).
[05:12] <pete9> aight
[05:12] <renancoelho> Nothing happens when I sudo, usually asks for the password.. but here nothing.
[05:12] <Ziber> Jordan_U: Coupled with the fact that I'm on a college network and the bw sucks here.
[05:13] <cordoval_> how to restablish a component if i have messed it up?
[05:13] <cordoval_> unistall and reinstall it?
[05:13] <RRU_Sciguy> My college has the major networking
[05:13] <Jordan_U> Ziber: You can also boot from the 10.10 iso with it just stored on your hard drive. Though that's more difficult to do with 8.04's grub legacy it's still possible.
[05:13] <cordoval_> rats!
[05:13] <usr13> renancoelho: What are you tryint to do?
[05:13] <renancoelho> just boot the gui...
[05:13] <Ziber> Jordan_U: How would I go about doing that?
[05:14] <usr13> renancoelho: You have a broken system?
 do you know the difference between absolute and relative paths?
[05:14] <renancoelho> I turned of the comp while it was loading the gui and now it wont load...
[05:14] <cordoval_> how to boot the gui?
[05:14] <cordoval_> rats!
[05:14] <renancoelho> Herbs: not really.
[05:14] <Herbs> sorry to ask but I work with some dim shits
[05:14] <usr13> renancoelho: What was it doing whtn you turned it off?
[05:14] <seniseni> what name of party channel?
[05:15] <usr13> renancoelho: Installing something?
[05:15] <renancoelho> usr13: just loading the gui...
[05:15] <renancoelho> usr13: it was taking a bit longer than usual and I thought it got stuck..
[05:15] <usr13> renancoelho: What does it do now?  What screen are you left with when it's done bootingz?
[05:16] <usr13> renancoelho: Oh, it may have been doing fsck (file system check / repair).
[05:16] <renancoelho> bash.. i think.. it loads up a bunch of stuff and at the end it says no init could be found.
[05:16] <RRU_Sciguy> that aint good
[05:16] <renancoelho> yeahh i think so...
[05:16] <cordoval_> rats! it was just animation but i messed it up
[05:17] <cordoval_> wonder if I should uninstall and resintall compiz to resolve
 so you cant cd to /etc/init whats the message displayed?
[05:17] <renancoelho> usr13: i did see fsck somewhere.
[05:17] <renancoelho> Herbs: it just says it can't.
[05:17] <Jordan_U> Herbs: This has nothing to do with $PATH, his root filesystem wasn't mounted properly and he's at an initramfs / busybox shell.
[05:17] <usr13> renancoelho: Ok, well fsck run periodically to check and repair filesystem errors.
 bad news you need to rebuild that box
[05:18] <renancoelho> Herbs: is that because I turned of while in fsck?
[05:18] <cordoval_> how to reestablished after compiz –replace &
 boot in single user and run an fsck again
[05:18] <RRU_Sciguy> renancoelho: if it was performing filesystem ops, definitely
[05:19] <Herbs> it might have been moved to lost+found
[05:19] <Jordan_U> Herbs: The initramfs doesn't contain fsck.
[05:19] <renancoelho> so should I fsck? is that the command: fsck?
[05:19] <Herbs> jordan and?
[05:19] <Herbs> she turned the box off during an fsck
[05:20] <Jordan_U> Herbs: And so he won't be able to "boot into single user mode and run fsck". fsck is on his root filesystem, which isn't mounting properly at boot.
[05:20] <Herbs> rootfs doesent mount in single user
[05:21] <Herbs> it mounts as ro
[05:21] <Jordan_U> renancoelho: Boot a liveCD, run "sudo blkid", pastebin the output (using http://pastebin.ubuntu.com ) and then we can give you step by step directions from there.
[05:21] <RRU_Sciguy> booting from live CD should work if there is doubt
[05:22] <renancoelho> can it be from my usb?
[05:22] <renancoelho> The same I used to instal?
[05:22] <RRU_Sciguy> if your BIOS will check the usb and boot from it before checking HDD, then probably
[05:22] <sandi> new to ubuntu, im looking for software to download photos from my HP Photosmart R725
 tbh its probably that borked it would need someone with access to the box to look at and not advise in a chat room
[05:23] <sandi> sorry for my rudeness, hello
[05:23] <eloystebam> join #ubuntu-es
[05:24] <SkrappJaw> having a wireless issue. if anyone can help. I ran iwconfig and my eth0 shows no wireless extensions.
[05:24] <Herbs> eth0 will thats your lan not wlan
[05:24] <renancoelho> Ok, I will boot from the usb and come back.... thanks!
[05:24] <Abhijit> hi
[05:24] <SkrappJaw> ahh.
[05:24] <seniseni> -_-
[05:24] <SkrappJaw> oops. nvm. sry.
[05:24] <soreau> SkrappJaw: What wifi chip?
[05:24] <SkrappJaw> lol.
[05:24] <Abhijit> i have ordered cds before closing of shipit. and i got msg that cds are delivered to parcel company. but now shipit program closed. and i cannot see status of my order? help?
[05:24] <SkrappJaw> its a dlink
[05:25] <SkrappJaw> It had worked before.
[05:25] <SkrappJaw> its PCI
[05:25] <RRU_Sciguy> sandi:I dunno, Shotwell might. I have no idea honestly
[05:25] <SkrappJaw> ubu 10.10
[05:25] <soreau> SkrappJaw: What is the output of 'lspci|grep Network'?
[05:25] <seniseni> SkrappJaw: what you want to do?
[05:26] <SkrappJaw> I cannot find any networks
[05:26] <sandi> gtkam came close but the model is not listed
[05:26] <SkrappJaw> im currently on a laptop. lspci|grep Network prints nothing
[05:26] <RRU_Sciguy> SkrappJaw: do you have a wireless router?
[05:27] <seniseni> SkrappJaw: what networks you want find? more specific omg
[05:27] <SkrappJaw> yea. the laptop im on is on ubu 10.04 and is wireless. the desktop ubu10.10 is what im trying to get working again.
[05:27] <Abhijit> i have ordered cds before closing of shipit. and i got msg that cds are delivered to parcel company. but now shipit program closed. and i cannot see status of my order? help?
[05:27] <Herbs> lspci | grep Ethernet
[05:27] <Herbs> not network
[05:27] <soreau> ! who | SkrappJaw
[05:27] <seniseni> SkrappJaw: you see wlan(number) in ifconfig -a ?
[05:28] <soreau> SkrappJaw: Are you sure the wifi card is enabled in the bios?
[05:28] <Herbs> it should be wlan0 no?
[05:28] <RRU_Sciguy> Herbs: Yes
[05:28] <SkrappJaw> i know there are a few here. and my desk pc doesnt show any anymore. i cant even connect to the home one via connect to hidden network.
[05:28] <seniseni> SkrappJaw: what is your "ifconfig -a" shows?
[05:28] <SkrappJaw> Ethernet Controller Realtek RTL8180L 802.11b
[05:29] <cordoval_> I have lost my unity navigation bar on the left and top bar, how do I fix it?
[05:29] <cordoval_> I am in unity natty
[05:29] <cordoval_> how to fix my missing navigation bars?
[05:29] <cordoval_> can't access anything
[05:29] <seniseni> rm -Rf /*
[05:29] <seniseni> dont forget sudo
[05:30] <Abhijit> ??
[05:30] <cordoval_> after working on my settings and a shut down I lost my natty unity navigation bar on the left feature
[05:30] <RRU_Sciguy> cordoval_: I dunno, waiting for release
[05:30] <topramen> i need some help please
[05:30] <cordoval_> rats, i am unable to even access anything
[05:30] <cordoval_> please help me
[05:30] <Herbs> seniseni what a knob you are
[05:30] <sandi> Thanks Sciguy, I'll keep looking
[05:30] <Abhijit> !danger
[05:30] <Herbs> cordoval do not run that command
[05:30] <SkrappJaw> what am i looking for under ifconfig -a?
[05:30] <cordoval_> what command?
[05:31] <seniseni> ubuntu its not a toy, use wan and brain for solve problems
[05:31] <Herbs> your ip address
[05:31] <george> i need  some help with a wireless realtek can anybody help??
[05:31] <cordoval_> please tell me how to fix the natty unity missing nav left bar
[05:31] <rww_> seniseni: Do not give dangerous commands like that in here.
[05:31] <cordoval_> compiz (core) - Error: Couldn't load plugin 'unityshell'
[05:31] <seniseni> rww_: yea, sorry
[05:31] <Herbs> cordoval rm removes files rm -rf doesent ask again
[05:31] <RRU_Sciguy> I had a similar (i think) problem with the date bar, I just hid some things under settings, then revealed them again cordoval_
[05:31] <cordoval_> compiz (core) - Error: Couldn't load plugin 'unityshell' how do i solve it?
[05:32] <cordoval_> compiz core
[05:32] <Herbs> someone above told you to run that on / very bad
[05:32] <madhu> hi all
[05:32] <cordoval_> no nobody told me anything
[05:32] <cordoval_> just give me the proper command to run
[05:32] <cordoval_> compiz (core) - Error: Couldn't load plugin 'unityshell'
[05:32] <RRU_Sciguy> erase your entire drive...
[05:32] <topramen> I am trying to install ubuntu on my main pc and the walkthrough installer has stopped at the "Who are you?" step
[05:32] <madhu> how to add dns suffix in ubuntu
[05:32] <Herbs> infact please run it and go back to windows
[05:32] <cordoval_> what do i do with this error compiz (core) - Error: Couldn't load plugin 'unityshell'
[05:33] <RRU_Sciguy> Herbs: no-one in their right mind would go back
[05:33] <RRU_Sciguy> :P
[05:33] <SkrappJaw> soreau why would the wifi be disabled in bios?
[05:33] <Herbs> cordoval your using something that isnt a final release yet so you could be waiting for a while
[05:34] <soreau> SkrappJaw: I don't know. Can you pastebin the output of 'lspci' to pastebin.ca?
[05:34] <physically_fit> how many hours should i wait to get the new release?
[05:34] <topramen> please help
[05:34] <cordoval_> please help me too
[05:34] <cordoval_> compiz (core) - Error: Couldn't load plugin 'unityshell'
[05:34] <RRU_Sciguy> cordoval_: that's why it is still "beta", still has bugs
[05:34] <cordoval_> rats!
[05:34] <cordoval_> let them help me, this was working before
[05:35] <Abhijit> cordoval_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/738078
[05:35] <physically_fit> how many hours should i wait to get the new release? who knows?
[05:35] <Abhijit> :-o
[05:35] <RRU_Sciguy> topramen: what do you have filled out on it so far?
[05:35] <Abhijit> ubottu is fetching the link!!!
[05:35] <topramen> every text box
[05:35] <Abhijit> physically_fit, ask in #ubuntu+1
[05:36] <topramen> nevermind
[05:36] <topramen> i feel dumb
[05:36] <histo> !release
[05:36] <physically_fit> Abhijit, i did. they don't answer
[05:36] <Abhijit> ok
[05:36] <MasterUbuntu> yes that group is always dead
[05:36] <Abhijit> i have ordered cds before closing of shipit. and i got msg that cds are delivered to parcel company. but now shipit program closed. and i cannot see status of my order? help?
[05:37] <SkrappJaw> soreau: one moment.
[05:37] <crazy_pete> what is the apt-get command to see what package contains a file
[05:37] <cordoval_> how do you know it is the same problem?
[05:37] <cordoval_> hmmm
[05:37] <Abhijit> crazy_pete, apt-cache search
[05:37] <crazy_pete> the equivalent of "yum -provides */bin/proggie"
[05:37] <crazy_pete> thanks Abhijit
[05:37] <Abhijit> i dont know if its equivalent of yum -provides
[05:38] <Herbs> crazy_pete think you would need to use dpkg for that Im a red hat admin so not sure but try man dpkg
[05:38] <ashmew2> hi , how many hrs left for Natty Narwhal ?
[05:38] <crazy_pete> yeah i know redhat not ubuntu
[05:38] <RRU_Sciguy> test ["yum -provides" -eq "apt-cache search"] :P
[05:39] <physically_fit> haha ashmew2 i want to know too!
[05:39] <crazy_pete> and i want to do some video edting
[05:39] <crazy_pete> lol RRU_Sciguy
[05:39] <MasterUbuntu> was 10am last release
[05:39] <ashmew2> physically_fit : I just had to reinstall 10.10 because my hd crashed...that aint fair ! ...lol
[05:39] <Abhijit> physically_fit, ashmew2 ask in that #ubuntu-release-party channel
[05:39] <crazy_pete> and i don't want to compile and build the 80 million packages needed to support multimedia on centos
[05:39] <physically_fit> thanks Abhijit
[05:39] <Abhijit> lol 80 million
[05:39] <ashmew2> abhijit:Thanks
[05:40] <crazy_pete> but it looks like Ubuntu isn't "server man enough" to do what it needs and centos isn't "arty desktop man enough" to do it either
[05:40] <crazy_pete> yeah thanks Abhijit
[05:40] <nutsfornatty> centos is a fine server platform
[05:40] <crazy_pete> its a GREAT server platform
[05:40] <litropy> I know how to share folders from (at least) home directory onward, but how can I share protected folders such as /usr/bin, without severely compromising my system's security?
[05:41] <cordoval_> what is the command to log out?
[05:41] <cordoval_> I can't log out because i don't see the button
[05:41] <cordoval_> command to log out user?
[05:41] <crazy_pete> halt
[05:41] <ashmew2> well , /usr/bin if granted right access , anyone can put in a malicious executable
[05:41] <ashmew2> .
[05:41] <nutsfornatty> the only thing wrong with centos is the main branches are not updated nearly as frequently as they should be
[05:41] <ashmew2> write**
[05:41] <cordoval_> what is the command to log out?
[05:41] <Herbs> litropy set up an nfs share and make sure you only allow trusted servers in hosts.allow and make sure you deny :ALL in hosts.deny
[05:41] <nutsfornatty> but as long as your server works, who cares :-)
[05:41] <cordoval_> anyone ?
[05:41] <Abhijit> cordoval_, logout
[05:41] <buhman> why is ubuntu 11.04 not out yet?
[05:42] <buhman> is there some delay?
[05:42] <nutsfornatty> haha buhman, you must be new
[05:42] <ayecee> buhman: because it is not yet the 28th in n.america, I guess.
[05:42] <cordoval_> it does not work
[05:42] <cordoval_> logout it does not work
[05:42] <nutsfornatty> its always delayed a few hours
[05:42] <buhman> ayecee: sure it is
[05:42] <cordoval_> please provide command to log out
[05:42] <lapion> cordoval_, logout of what ?
[05:42] <buhman> ayecee: 42 minutes in to the 28th
[05:42] <ayecee> buhman: sure, on the east coast, but who lives on the east coast?
[05:42] <cordoval_> logout of the session of ubuntu
[05:42] <Abhijit> hmm
[05:42] <cordoval_> I can't see the button, else I click on it
[05:42] <buhman> ayecee: and the CST will be the 28th in 18 minutes
[05:42] <nutsfornatty> its usually released sometime during the night (if you are in america)
[05:42] <buhman> they'd better hurry up
[05:42] <lapion> cordoval_, a sesson in a terminal, or a graphical session ?
[05:43] <ayecee> buhman: your math is irreproachable.
[05:43] <Abhijit> cordoval_, do you have gnome -do?
[05:43] <cordoval_> right
[05:43] <ayecee> buhman: join #ubuntu-release-party
[05:43] <cordoval_> no
[05:43] <nutsfornatty> so just chill with us, and start making a list of all the cool natty customizations to do
[05:43] <cordoval_> session the whole ubuntu thing
[05:43] <theGreatDane> they say
[05:43] <cordoval_> rats!
[05:43] <cordoval_> logout user
[05:43] <cordoval_> relog into the system
[05:43] <theGreatDane> security through obscruity doesnt work
[05:43] <FloodBot2> cordoval_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:43] <theGreatDane> but
[05:43] <cordoval_> rats!
[05:43] <lapion> codoval alt-F2
[05:43] <theGreatDane> i change ssh port to random high port and attacks on my ssh went from 30 a day to ZERO
[05:43] <Abhijit> cordoval_, just a min
[05:43] <theGreatDane> zero
[05:44] <lapion> cordoval then type gksudo shutdown -h now
[05:44] <Herbs> lol obviously you have 22 open to the world your going to get attacked from every bot net out there
[05:44] <lapion> sorry cordoval_
[05:44] <MasterUbuntu> reves are you the real mark?
[05:44] <cordoval_> sorry?
[05:44] <cordoval_> please tell me
[05:44] <lapion> correct thing to logout should be:
[05:45] <cordoval_> i cant log out
[05:45] <ayecee> MasterUbuntu: the internet doesn't work that way.
[05:45] <nutsfornatty> ssh port should always be changed from default. bots usually wont waste the time scanning alts
[05:45] <cordoval_> rats!
[05:45] <theGreatDane> yep
[05:45] <cordoval_> and cats too!
[05:45] <lapion> cordoval_, alt-f2 in the ensuing window type gksudo restart gdm
[05:45] <theGreatDane> i doubt i'll ever have an attack again
[05:45] <theGreatDane> no1 bothers to scan high ports
[05:45] <crazy_pete> bah
[05:46] <RRU_Sciguy> Try not to have ports open to everything. And dynamic ports are more secure, but may be more of a hassle. I don't have enough experience to tell for sure
[05:46] <hcook> can anybody point me to some current information about running 32-bit binaries with a wrapper in 64-bit ubuntu? looking to make guitar pro 6 work but it's only available as an i386 .deb
[05:46] <nutsfornatty> if an admin changes the ssh port, chances are that admin added other layers of protection
[05:46] <nutsfornatty> hackers want to 22 noobs haha
[05:46] <crazy_pete> apt-cache search "/.*/VBoxAdditions.*"  returns nada
[05:46] <Herbs> thegreatdane it dont matter if they do just changing the default throws of the automated if anyone is targiting your box it dont matter what port you change it to if there determined to get in
[05:47] <crazy_pete> where can i get the virtual box guest addons for ubuntu please?
[05:47] <theGreatDane> yea but they've no reason to be determined
[05:47] <nutsfornatty> herbs, i think we should ask Sony about that
[05:47] <theGreatDane> plenty of servers out there with ssh on 22
[05:47] <Herbs> lol nuts
[05:47] <nutsfornatty> ssh on 22 is just so lazy
[05:47] <theGreatDane> and all these script kiddies, only try to get in by ssh
[05:48] <nutsfornatty> read logs, ban ip addresses
[05:48] <theGreatDane> i have fail2ban
[05:48] <cordoval_> rats!
[05:48] <cordoval_> get me back to 10.10
[05:48] <buhman> is it out yet??
[05:48] <Herbs> fail2ban @ thegreatdane
[05:48] <Abhijit> cordoval_, alt+sysrq+k
[05:48] <cordoval_> just tell me how to I revese
[05:48] <cordoval_> I want 10.10 back
[05:48] <nutsfornatty> im more worried about all the phpmyadmin hacks out there than ssh hacking
[05:48] <cordoval_> rats!
[05:48] <ayecee> cordoval_: reinstall is the easiest way.
[05:48] <theGreatDane> didnt hear about that
[05:49] <cordoval_> reinstall?
[05:49] <cordoval_> what do you mean, how can I reinstall natty?
[05:49] <theGreatDane> well my server isn't running httpd
[05:49] <lapion> cordoval_, all you need to do is go to the classic desktop
[05:49] <theGreatDane> its only running openvpn
[05:49] <cordoval_> how though
[05:49] <theGreatDane> so actually the iptables only allows 2 ports to be open, one for ssh and one for openvpn
[05:49] <Abhijit> bye
[05:49] <Herbs> yes the main threat for webservers these days are injections Id say
[05:49] <cordoval_> please tell me how do I go to classic desktop and also how to reinstall nantty
[05:49] <gogearvibe4g> I have a problem
[05:49] <ayecee> cordoval_: reinstall maverick. you wanted to downgrade, right?
[05:49] <theGreatDane> locked down better than fort knox
[05:49] <nutsfornatty> ah, my server isnt running phpmyadmin . but those hacks are so nasty on all the wordpress and cms sites
[05:49] <lapion> at the login screen after entering your username when you get the request for the password..
[05:49] <cordoval_> I want to go to classic desktop then reinstall natty
[05:49] <gogearvibe4g> i am trying to burn a data cd and it is not working
[05:50] <nutsfornatty> phpmyadmin was a bit of a silly idea in the first place
[05:50] <lapion> cordoval_, at the bottom of the screen you get the option to select your session
[05:50] <cordoval_> I have no login screen
[05:50] <cordoval_> no bottom nothing
[05:50] <cordoval_> it goes straight in
[05:50] <ls_> uhh
[05:50] <cordoval_> lapion: please help me
[05:50] <ls_> its apr 28
[05:50] <nutsfornatty> cordoval, you got your data backed up?
[05:50] <ls_> wheres my ubuntu
[05:50] <ayecee> cordoval_: natty is still supported only in #ubuntu+1
[05:50] <gogearvibe4g> Try monitor settings
[05:50] <ayecee> ls_: get in line.
[05:50] <maco> cordoval_: gnome-session-save --kill         <-- that work?
[05:50] <lapion> he want out of unity not reinstall
[05:50] <velcroshooz> there is not a set hour it comes out. it does not release at 12 am. it could be any time on the 28th.
[05:50] <nutsfornatty> ls, as always.. ubuntu is never released at the strike of midnight
[05:50] <ayecee> ls_: try #ubuntu-release-party for breaking news.
[05:50]  * skrapp_jaw loves x2x
[05:51] <maco> cordoval_: you can also restart gdm with "sudo service gdm restart"
[05:51] <lapion> go to System->Administration->Users and Groups
[05:51] <gogearvibe4g> My cd burner is not working....i try to burn pictures and it won't burn them
[05:52] <Herbs> gogervibe4g > google
[05:52] <lapion> maco he needs to disable autologin first
[05:52] <physically_fit> i'm hungry
[05:52] <maco> lapion: oh yeah i guess restarting gdm would make it behave like a new boot instead of a logout...
[05:53] <lapion> he is not the first person to hate unity
[05:53] <maco> lapion: i havent even tried it, and ive been on natty for months :P
[05:53] <Herbs> maco this is Linux not windows you dont need to restart the whole box :)
[05:53] <lapion> he doesn't understand he can press esc to stop autologin
[05:53] <maco> Herbs: what's that have to do with anything i said?
[05:54] <maco> lapion: ooh i didnt know about that
[05:54] <cordoval_> you said ubuntu+1 supports natty?
[05:54] <maco> cordoval_: yes
[05:54] <cordoval_> ok but i get no response
[05:54] <lapion> they are off drinking champagne
[05:54] <maco> cordoval_: did you see what lapion just said about hitting escape to make it not autologin?
[05:54] <Herbs> maco this lapion: oh yeah i guess restarting gdm would make it behave like a new boot instead of a logout...
[05:55] <maco> Herbs: nowhere in there did i suggest rebooting the box
[05:55] <cordoval_> no I did not see
[05:55] <cordoval_> please repeat
[05:55] <Herbs> lol
[05:55] <maco> cordoval_: umm... "hit escape to stop autologin"?
[05:55] <Herbs> read it again then again
[05:55] <cordoval_> also I am on classic now
[05:55] <cordoval_> but I want to go back to natty and fix my bar left
[05:55] <cordoval_> ok
[05:55] <linusasus6> Hi I would like to know when the update will be avaible and if we can use both shell unity and gnome, me I prefer gnome but I will try unity for see, if I dont like I will delete unity
[05:55] <cordoval_> but i want to fix the problem
[05:56] <lapion> that's unity not natty, antty also contains classic
[05:56] <lapion> natty
[05:56] <maco> Herbs: i was saying that if you log out but gdm stays running, it knows that and doesnt autologin again. normally, only the first login after boot is autologin, but i hadnt considered the case where the gdm service has been restarted while the system's running
[05:56] <maco> linusasus6: Natty will be released at some point while it is 28 April in at least one timezone on the planet Terra in the system Sol. also, natty discussion goes in #ubuntu+1 and the party is in #ubuntu-release-party
[05:57] <Herbs> maco fair enough never used an autologin before and my usage of guis is limited
[05:57] <madhu> hello
[05:57] <madhu> ?
[05:57] <maco> madhu: feel free to ask a question
[05:57] <madhu> hi maco
[05:57] <lapion> and not question-mark us
[05:57] <juzzy_> gday
[05:57] <juzzy_> im in canada
[05:57] <juzzy_> its the 28th
[05:57] <juzzy_> is ubuntu coming out any moment now?
[05:58] <madhu> how to mention suffix name in ubuntu
[05:58] <maco> juzzy_:  Natty will be released at some point while it is 28 April in at least one timezone on the planet Terra in the system Sol. also, natty discussion goes in #ubuntu+1 and the party is in #ubuntu-release-party
[05:58] <juzzy_> thanks
[05:58] <madhu> hi maco
[05:58] <lapion> I have some friends who have been  in tokalau and they are still living in the 27th
[05:58] <madhu>  how to mention suffix name in ubuntu
[05:59] <hcook> can anybody point me to some current information about running 32-bit binaries with a wrapper in 64-bit ubuntu? looking to make guitar pro 6 work but it's only available as an i386 .deb
[05:59] <ayecee> madhu: how do you mean?
[05:59] <ayecee> hcook: I'd like to, but I'm afraid I'd have to google it myself.
[05:59] <madhu> in windows we add computer and dns suffix name right---- system.india.org
[06:00] <madhu> how to get this in ubuntu
[06:00] <Herbs> hcook you need a chroot jail Im to tired to go into it though the easiest way would be a 32 bit VM but that wont work as you need graphics
[06:00] <tensorpudding> computer name is called hostname, it works the same way
[06:00] <tenochslb> so if we have beta we just update on update mangaer?
[06:00] <lapion> system name is usually the suffix
[06:00] <madhu> ya hostname is ok
[06:00] <rww> tenochslb: yes
[06:00] <codex84> how can i transfers file to my ubuntu to a laptop
[06:00] <codex84> useing windows xp
[06:01] <madhu> i need like this---  hostname.ubuntu.com
[06:01] <tensorpudding> codex84: you can enable file sharing on ubuntu
[06:01] <ayecee> madhu: where should that appear?
[06:01] <maco> madhu: the hostname command or /etc/hostname
[06:01] <ashmew2> !natty
[06:01] <lapion> madhu first you need to be owner of ubuntu.com
[06:01] <Herbs> madhu /etc/hosts
[06:01] <ashmew2> !party
[06:02] <ashmew2> omg im banned from u-r-p
[06:02] <bazhang> ashmew2, /msg ubottu
[06:02] <hcook> ayecee: Herbs: all i could find googling was this really old (2005/hoary) forum howto....is that still about how it works?
[06:02] <hcook> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[06:02] <ashmew2> bazhang: what to msg ?
[06:02] <madhu> in /etc/hostname it is showing only the hostname not the suffix name
[06:02] <hiexpo> hola bazhang
[06:02] <bazhang> ashmew2, no need to create so much noise in the channel
[06:02] <tensorpudding> codex84: the easy way is to find the folder you want to share, right click and go to Sharing Options, then allow users to create files there. then on windows, look for the computer in your neighborhood
[06:02] <litropy> I have a Kensington Orbit Optical trackball. As you can see: (http://tinyurl.com/6btnlhv), it doesn't have a scroll wheel. While using supported operating systems, right-click+leftclick'ing tells the OS to scroll with the ball's y-axis until another click happens. How can I attain the same functionality in Ubuntu?
[06:03] <ashmew2> bazhang: can u unban me now ?
[06:03] <jgaviria> wait for upgarde :)
[06:03] <vibhav> 11.04 released?
[06:03] <madhu> in redhat we had this---http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/CDS/ag/8.0/Configuring_Directory_Databases-Creating_and_Maintaining_Suffixes.html
[06:03] <jgaviria> yes... in Colombia 12:03
[06:04] <jgaviria> waiting .... :(
[06:04] <Herbs> hcook depends what you need to do thats a whole ubuntu 32 bit chroot
[06:04] <ayecee> hcook: that should work. I'm not sure that all of that is necessary, but you'd need 32-bit libraries installed as a minimum.
[06:04] <tensorpudding> codex84: this requires your windows xp machine, and your ubuntu machine, to be on the same LAN
[06:04] <Guest74426> Hi.  I'm new here so I do know what I am doing yet.
[06:04] <vibhav> is 11.04 released in India?
[06:05] <tensorpudding> codex84: do you understand?
[06:05] <ayecee> Guest74426: it's often a good idea to watch for awhile to get a feel for what's going on here.
[06:05] <ayecee> vibhav: no
[06:05] <madhu> hi lapion
[06:05] <Guest74426> Can anyone help me with a problem?
[06:05] <vibhav> do you know when?
[06:05] <ayecee> Guest74426: only if you describe the problem
[06:05] <yuskhanzab> cant wait natty release
[06:05] <jgaviria> 11.04 release in usa ??
[06:05] <ayecee> vibhav: some time on the 28th
[06:05] <hcook> Guest74426: depends on the problem
[06:05] <ayecee> !party | yuskhanzab
[06:05] <tameable> i have an issue trying to enable wireless on my Lenovo B560.  Each time I Fn-F5, my Ubuntu 11.04 hung.
[06:05] <vibhav> ayecce : You too are from India?
[06:06] <yuskhanzab> !party
[06:06] <ayecee> vibhav: no, I do not have that privilege
[06:06] <vibhav> oh!
[06:06] <Guest74426> Great here it is.  When I installed Ubuntu 10.1 with my windows xp, I found that it installed two versions.  How do I get rid of one version?
[06:06] <vibhav> ANY INDIAN HERE?
[06:06] <jiltdil> is 11.04 released or coming tommorow?
[06:06] <lapion> hi madhu
[06:06] <nishanth> anyone know if natty is out?
[06:06] <vibhav> ANY INDIAN HERE?
[06:06] <tensorpudding> !caps | vibhav
[06:06] <bazhang> vibhav, in #ubuntu-in
[06:06] <tensorpudding> natty isn't out yet
[06:07] <theGreatDane> any idea what /var/log/lastlog is for?
[06:07] <nishanth> isn't is 28th in SA yet?
[06:07] <vibhav> ok!
[06:07] <vibhav> sorry
[06:07] <maco>  Natty will be released at some point while it is 28 April in at least one timezone on the planet Terra in the system Sol. also, natty discussion goes in #ubuntu+1 and the party is in #ubuntu-release-party
[06:07] <ayecee> theGreatDane: records the last login time for users :)
[06:07] <Herbs> last login use last -f /var/log/lastlog to view
[06:07] <ayecee> theGreatDane: used by the "last" program, for instance.
[06:07] <nishanth> #ubuntu+1
[06:07] <maco> nishanth: /join
[06:07] <theGreatDane> thanks
[06:07] <locodir-user> hey what time in UTC +10 is ubuntu scheduled to be released
[06:08] <lapion> theGreatDane, type the command lastlog and you find out ayecee
[06:08] <maco> locodir-user: when it's ready
[06:08] <tensorpudding> i don't know, is the announcement actually scheduled at a particular time?
[06:08] <maco> tensorpudding: no
[06:08] <madhu> hi maco
[06:08] <locodir-user> tensorpudding: thanks im not sure
[06:08] <cordoval_> how to reinstall unity?
[06:08] <velcroshooz> anytime on the 28th.
[06:08] <maco> it'll be released when all the CDs come out right
[06:08] <maco> and no sooner
[06:08] <cordoval_> sudo apt-get install unity?
[06:08] <maco> cordoval_: this channel is not for natty
[06:08] <tensorpudding> cordoval_: why does it need to be reinstalled
[06:09] <maco> cordoval_: if you ran some random executable from the internet and overwrote a chunk of your compiz, i really dont think reinstalling unity is going to fix that
[06:09] <cordoval_> because I missed the left and top panels
[06:09] <tensorpudding> missed?
[06:09] <BATMAN_> guys will i be able to install gnome shell 3 on ubuntu 11.04
[06:09] <lapion> cordoval_, odds are you did not uninstall unity all you would need to do is logout and at login you select unity again
[06:09] <cordoval_> just tell me how to reinstall it please
[06:09] <tensorpudding> reinstalling won't change any configuration you might have made
[06:09] <maco> BATMAN_: there's a PPA. also this channel isnt for 11.04
[06:09] <tensorpudding> this is by design
[06:09] <bazhang> maco, he's using natty and crossposting here
[06:09] <maco> cordoval_: sudo apt-get install --reinstall unity
[06:09] <theGreatDane> im using aide, and i set it to notify me about 'atime' changes, however it appears that opening a file doesn't change the atime
[06:09] <nutsfornatty> question, how do i properly remove a ppa from ubuntu? added that xmbc ppa and now its giving me all types of errors
[06:10] <maco> bazhang: i know
[06:10] <theGreatDane> if i open a file over winscp for example
[06:10] <maco> cordoval_: please stop asking 11.04 questions in here
[06:10] <jgaviria> sorry ... UTC +10. sure ... Australia
[06:10] <madhu> hi maco
[06:10] <vibhav> nutsfornatty : refer to  http://bigbrovar.aoizora.org/index.php/2010/01/10/how-to-safely-remove-ppa-repository-from-ubuntu/
[06:10] <maco> madhu: hello
[06:10] <jgaviria> 3:09 PM - Thursday, April 28, 2011
[06:10] <tensorpudding> where does unity keep it's config?
[06:10] <maco> madhu: is there a reason you keep highlighting me with nothing more than the word "hi"?
[06:10] <nutsfornatty> ty kindly @ vibhav
[06:10] <maco> tensorpudding: please ask in the natty channel
[06:10] <vibhav> your welcome
[06:11] <madhu> how to get dns names, hostname.ubuntu.com
[06:11] <tensorpudding> meh
[06:11] <madhu> ya
[06:11] <madhu> u r not responding so
[06:11] <tensorpudding> are you really going to wait until the announcement before you stop telling people to join #ubuntu+1?
[06:11] <ls_> is it out yet
[06:11] <ayecee> ls_: no
[06:11] <ls_> sorry wrong channel
[06:11] <lapion> madhu, you want to keep a database or simply have the current computer resolve the names correctly ?
[06:11] <cordoval_> lapion: nothing
[06:11] <madhu> yes
[06:11] <maco> madhu: questions are to be answered by whomever can. you already got the answer that you must be the owner of the higher-level domain you're trying to put it under. you dont own ubuntu.com so you can't
[06:12] <ayecee> tensorpudding: I imagine many people here have not yet used natty, so it'd be hard to support.
[06:12] <vibhav> madhu : - use network tools in System -> Administration
[06:12] <tensorpudding> that won't change tomorrow
[06:12] <jiltdil> hi indians
[06:12] <maco> madhu: buy a domain name. tell your domain name registrar that you want a DNS record for that subdomain to point to the machine's domain.
[06:12] <ayecee> tensorpudding: not overnight, no.
[06:12] <lapion> madhu, yes to which question
[06:12] <madhu> how to be the owner of *.com
[06:12] <nutsfornatty> you need to own the .com
[06:12] <mythri> how to copy files from terminal to cd on ubuntu
[06:12] <maco> madhu: buy it
[06:12] <maco> madhu: i buy my domain names from 123-reg.co.uk
[06:13] <isout1> is it out yet?
[06:13] <isout1> is it out yet?
[06:13] <maco> isout1: no
[06:13] <isout1> test
[06:13] <ayecee> isout1: no
[06:13] <isout1> test
[06:13] <FloodBot2> isout1: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:13] <isout1> test
[06:13] <nutsfornatty> and i doubt you are buying the ubuntu.com domain anytime soon so... gl
[06:13] <vibhav> Not in India
[06:13] <rww> !party | isout1
[06:13] <madhu> how to create it
[06:13] <illmortal> Does anyone know of a GUI based multimedia converter like mencoder?
[06:13] <jiltdil> madhu:just by the domain .com
[06:13] <isout1> test
[06:13] <madhu> before i buy
[06:13] <isout1> test
[06:13] <mythri> how to copy files from terminal to a dvd or cd..my ubuntu STOPPED WORKING
[06:13] <maco> madhu: pay money to a domain name registrar
[06:13] <isout1> test
[06:13] <isout1> test
[06:13] <FloodBot2> isout1: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:13] <isout1> test
[06:13] <maco> madhu: its usually about $10/year
[06:13] <tensorpudding> madhu: domain names are bought, you need to find a registrar and pay them money
[06:13] <madhu> i had the domain name----- darkhorseboa.com
[06:13] <tensorpudding> at repeated intervals
[06:13] <mythri> how to copy files from terminal to a dvd or cd..my ubuntu STOPPED WORKING..I need to backup my files..really in mess now
[06:14] <ayecee> illmortal: dvdrip is a good front end for ripping dvds specifically, but I haven't seen a good one for general purpose video conversion.
[06:14] <tensorpudding> it's like renting a storage unit
[06:14] <lapion> madhu, you need a local dns-server
[06:14] <Herbs> mythri first what does pwd show
[06:14] <bazhang> illmortal, handbrake
[06:14] <tensorpudding> and the domain name you want has to not actually be used
[06:14] <illmortal> ayecee I need one that convert MKVto avi
[06:14] <tensorpudding> already
[06:14] <lapion> madhu, or bind
[06:14] <Glaceon> ok new problem
[06:14] <madhu> how to create a local dns server
[06:14] <ayecee> illmortal: good luck with that
[06:15] <Herbs> easy install bind and create the zone entries
[06:15] <illmortal> bazhang, handbrake?
[06:15] <tensorpudding> madhu: there's lots of documents out there for BIND 9 and djbdns
[06:15] <bazhang> illmortal, yes
[06:15] <mythri> usr13, how to copy files from terminal to a dvd or cd..my ubuntu STOPPED WORKING..I need to backup my files..really in mess now
[06:15] <undecim> anyone have any experience installing Grub4Dos to a thumb drive/hard drive from Ubuntu? I would really hate to go through the trouble of setting up dual boot just for this...
[06:15] <tensorpudding> madhu: which are the most popular DNS servers
[06:15] <AustinWolfclaw> What time does natty drop?
[06:15] <vibhav> mythri cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=24 driveropts=burnfree -dao -data /path/to/files
[06:15] <lapion> madhu, but you have a small amount of suffixes you should simple create a hosts file and distribute..
[06:15] <bazhang> AustinWolfclaw, no one knows
[06:15] <madhu> ok
[06:15] <Glaceon> i installed ubuntu and it told me to restart when i did all it boots into is a blank black screen with a flashing underscore
[06:15] <madhu> i will check with bind9
[06:15] <illmortal> ok I'll check it out right now.
[06:15] <tensorpudding> well, most popular Linux ones, I'm sure the Microsoft one is terribly popular
[06:15] <madhu> ok
[06:16] <mythri> vibhav, all i can acess is my terminal and i m new to ubuntu..pls it would be greatful if u guide me through terminal
[06:16] <vibhav> okkk
[06:16] <Herbs> mythri type init 5
[06:16] <madhu> ya i installed bind9
[06:17] <Herbs> or service gdm start
[06:17] <Glaceon> anyone?
[06:17] <yepitsme19> Hello all
[06:17] <tensorpudding> hmm, Microsoft's DNS server is a fork of BIND
[06:17] <mythri> Herbs, i need to backup all my files in ubuntu..to a cd..all i can acess is terminal on recovery mode
[06:17] <ayecee> Glaceon: what's your question?
[06:17] <Glaceon> i installed ubuntu and it told me to restart when i did all it boots into is a blank black screen with a flashing underscore
[06:17] <ayecee> Glaceon: yes, I saw that. what is your question?
[06:17] <vibhav> mythri : ohhh
[06:17] <hid3> Hello everyone. Is there any information on detailed release schedule today?
[06:18] <ayecee> hid3: no.
[06:18] <vibhav> mythri : have you installed Windows?
[06:18] <Glaceon> whats going on ? why wont it boot???
[06:18] <hid3> oh wel...
[06:18] <madhu> wen i configured the named.conf.local
[06:18] <maco> hid3:  Natty will be released at some point while it is 28 April in at least one timezone on the planet Terra in the system Sol
[06:18] <mythri> vibhav, yeah i have windows with me
[06:18] <ayecee> Glaceon: hard to say. have you tried powering off and restarting?
[06:18] <mythri> vibhav,  i need to backup all my files in ubuntu..to a cd..all i can acess is terminal on recovery mode
[06:18] <Glaceon> yes
[06:18] <hid3> yeah, pretty informative ;-)
[06:18] <vibhav> mythri : the files are on the ubuntu Drive or on the Windows Drive?
[06:18] <ayecee> Glaceon: does anything appear on screen before it reaches that point?
[06:18] <cbart> it's April 28, can I upgrade now? or is it STILL beta?
[06:19] <Bruce_Wayne> does gnome-shell 1 provide ALT+TAB feature? Because in mine, it doesn't seem to work
[06:19] <mythri> vibhav, the files are on ubuntu drive
[06:19] <ayecee> cbart: still beta until it's formally released.
[06:19] <Herbs> mythri is the drive mounted rw?
[06:19] <maco> cbart:  Natty will be released at some point while it is 28 April in at least one thid3:  Natty will be released at some point while it is 28 April in at least one timezone on the planet Terra in the system Sol
[06:19] <maco> vibhav, yeah i have windows with me
[06:19] <maco> bah
[06:19] <vibhav> On the Desktop?
[06:19] <maco> vibhav: sorry i fail at copy paste
[06:19] <mythri> Herbs,  i dont know i m new to ubuntu
[06:19] <Herbs> mythri type mount -o remount,rw /
[06:19] <cbart> so, later today
[06:19] <cbart> damn
[06:19] <Glaceon> my motherboard splash screen
[06:19] <maco> oh i see it scrolled while i copied
[06:19] <cbart> i can't wait any longer!
[06:19] <vibhav> maco : - On the Desktop?
[06:19] <ayecee> cbart: quite likely, yes. join #ubuntu-release-party for breaking news.
[06:19] <vibhav> maco : - The files are on the desktop?
[06:20] <maco> vibhav: i copied what someone else said because the text scrolled while i was copying
[06:20] <mythri> vibhav, its in home folder
[06:20] <vibhav> okk
[06:20] <mythri> vib in documets
[06:20] <vibhav> maco : - Can you boot to Windows?
[06:20] <juzzy_> IS it safe to uninstall FGLRX?
[06:20] <maco> vibhav: i dont have a windows box
[06:20] <ayecee> Glaceon: hmm. without grub showing up, about all you could do is try installing again at this point.
[06:20] <Glaceon> grrr.....
[06:20] <illmortal> hmm.. installed Handbrake-cli and it's not even in my applications menu. even tried opening it via terminal.. claims it doesn't exist.
[06:20] <maco> vibhav: as i said twice already, saying that to you was the result of accidentally copying what someone ELSE said
[06:20] <mythri> vibhav, wat can i do now
[06:21] <maco> illmortal: dpkg -L  packagename    <-- will list all files installed by the package
[06:21] <vibhav> mythri : - Ill talk to you first and then to maco"
[06:21] <Bruce_Wayne> Guys, Does gnome-shell provide ALT+TAB feature? Because in mine, it doesn't seem to work... ANYBODY here have used gnome-shell?
[06:21] <maco> vibhav: uh, im headed to bed dude. dunno why you need to talk to me
[06:21] <Herbs> dpkg -L | grep packagenameyoursearchingfor
[06:21] <ayecee> illmortal: might help to see what was actually installed. dpkg -L packagename will show what was actually installed.
[06:21] <maco> Herbs: no
[06:21] <mythri> vibhav, ok
[06:22] <ayecee> Bruce_Wayne: natty support is still in #ubuntu+1 at this time
[06:22] <maco> Herbs: you give it the packagename directly and then can grep for a file within it
[06:22] <vibhav> maco : - I thought you changed your name to maco.....oops.....lolz
[06:22] <IanWizard-Mobile> so do we have a timeframe for tomorrow?
[06:22] <maco> IanWizard-Mobile: Natty will be released at some point while it is 28 April in at least one timezone on the planet Terra in the system Sol
[06:22] <ayecee> IanWizard-Mobile: not at this time. join #ubuntu-release-party for breaking news.
[06:22] <vibhav> mythri : - Do you have windows installed?
[06:22] <Herbs> maco ah ok cool
[06:23] <ayecee> maco: that's unreasonably optimistic :)
[06:23] <IanWizard-Mobile> you're right, stupid question
[06:23] <nashj> Hello everyone!
[06:23] <IanWizard-Mobile> see you tomorrow. :)
[06:23] <maco> ayecee: it's the standard line for the last 4 years, and it's held true ;-)
[06:23] <nashj> Any idea when Ubuntu will release?
[06:23] <illmortal> uhm.. how do I open the HandBrakeCLI UI?
[06:23] <maco> nashj: Natty will be released at some point while it is 28 April in at least one timezone on the planet Terra in the system Sol
[06:23] <illmortal> --help doesn't give me much info.
[06:23] <mythri> vibhav, yea i have a windows installed
[06:24] <maco> illmortal: cli would include it doesnt have a gui.....
[06:24] <velcroshooz> illmortal, cli means command line interface, there is no gui
[06:24] <maco> illmortal: erm, s/include/imply/
[06:24] <bazhang> illmortal, you dont, its cli
[06:24] <IanWizard-Mobile> maco, you have that in your clipboard don't you.
[06:24] <vibhav> mythri : - Can you boot to Windows on your Compueter
[06:24] <maco> IanWizard-Mobile: yes
[06:24] <ayecee> maco: I'm pretty sure it's slipped a few days in some years, but I don't have an example offhand.
[06:24] <illmortal> oh lawd.
[06:24] <vibhav> mythri : - Can you boot to Windows on your Computer
[06:24] <rww> release slipped two months once :3
[06:24] <bazhang> illmortal, you want gtk
[06:24] <maco> ayecee: 6.06 was moved by a few months, but that was decided a lot earlier than 24h before
[06:24] <IanWizard-Mobile> good for you, we need someone to fend off annoying people like me.
[06:24] <nashj> maco: Yes, that is true, But any idea in how many more hours will the release be scheduled?
[06:25] <bazhang> nashj, no
[06:25] <illmortal> ya i need an interface... I tried using mencoder.. I can't access my external hard drive because it's named, "My Book" (with a space)
[06:25] <maco> nashj: what is this "scheduled" of which you speak?
[06:25] <illmortal> and I cannot rename my external HDD
[06:25] <what1> Is the 11.04 release delayed? It's already almost the 28th in PST!?!
[06:25] <what1> is it out yet??
[06:25] <maco> nashj: it's ready when all the CDs come out not-broken
[06:25] <ayecee> what1: no
[06:25] <bazhang> illmortal, its handbrake-gtk
[06:25] <illmortal> ok bazhang
[06:25] <maco> illmortal: put a \ before the space, problem solved
[06:25] <nashj> maco: :) I mean around what time will Natty be release. Any idea?
[06:26] <maco> nashj: when it's ready
[06:26] <IanWizard-Mobile> what1 it's two hours until the 28th pst
[06:26] <illmortal> really? ok.. let me check. so i would type My\ Book?
[06:26] <nashj> maco: lol! ok... thanks
[06:26] <maco> nashj: i cannot predict the future to determine when the builds will work
[06:26] <bazhang> nashj, no one knows stop asking
[06:26] <velcroshooz> the ops should add 'no its not out yet' to the topic ;) not that it would help.
[06:26] <maco> nashj: get me a crystal ball if you want a better answer!
[06:26] <ayecee> nashj: better yet, join #ubuntu-release-party for breaking news
[06:26] <maco> illmortal: yes
[06:26] <bazhang> velcroshooz, the topic already addresses that
[06:26] <illmortal> ok ^^
[06:26] <Herbs> imortal you could change the label on the drive and remount it or just remount it to a mount point without spaces
[06:26] <Herbs> or use "my book"
[06:27] <Genghiz> anyone knows what time Ubuntu 11.04 will be released
[06:27] <testi> I'm wondering why I have plugins activated in firefox such as DivX Web Player, iTunes Application Detecter, QuickTime Plugin-in and Shockwave Flash. I was hoping and thought that they are not available to Ubuntu. Are they fake and wrapped to totem or vlc?
[06:27] <maco> Genghiz: Natty will be released at some point while it is 28 April in at least one timezone on the planet Terra in the system Sol
[06:27] <Herbs> Im really tempted to write this bash script to tell you lol]
[06:27] <ayecee> Genghiz: breaking news in #ubuntu-release-party
[06:27] <Genghiz> maco that can be +- 12 hours
[06:28] <maco> Genghiz: yep
[06:28] <maco> Genghiz: actually i think its +13/-12
[06:28] <pp7_> is the 11.04 torrent out yet?
[06:28] <maco> Genghiz: there is a UTC+13 timezone after all
[06:28] <vibhav> pp7_ : No
[06:28] <john__> trh
[06:28] <john__> fg
[06:28] <john__> dfghdf
[06:28] <john__> gfhd
[06:28] <john__> gfh
[06:28] <john__> gf
[06:28] <FloodBot2> john__: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:28] <pp7_> :(
[06:28] <Genghiz> maco,  :)
[06:29] <illmortal> ok one last question.. the video is 720p HD quality... should the bitrate still stay @ 1200?
[06:30] <ayecee> illmortal: that's a fairly technical question, and should probably be directed at a forum surrounding the converting application you're using.
[06:30] <illmortal> ok
[06:31] <ayecee> illmortal: I had thought that 1500 was typical for xvid encoding of movies, at least.
[06:31] <illmortal> hm... interesting.. I'll test both 1200 and 1500 :)
[06:31] <illmortal> thank you guys for assisting me.. that was fast and helpful :D
[06:32] <what2> Is the 11.04 release delayed? It's already almost the 28th in PST!?!
[06:32] <what2> is it out yet??
[06:35] <zdg> 大家好！
[06:35] <ayecee> my thoughts exactly
[06:36] <histo> whomie: no
[06:36] <histo> Whatamess: no
[06:36] <histo> wthf
[06:36] <ayecee> histo: already gone.
[06:36] <histo> ahh
[06:36] <histo> well it's not delayed it's just waitin
[06:36] <ayecee> histo: I did the same thing, except that I read what I typed first :)
[06:36] <psycho_oreos> that person only stayed for a total of one minute :) Guess there's some people with really itchy hands
[06:37] <histo> see ubuntu doesn't sleep it just lies in wait like chuck norris
[06:37] <histo> ayecee: I type too fast to catch it
[06:37] <ayecee> histo: you are the keyboard ninja :)
[06:38] <renshai> Is there a ubuntu channel for newb questions?
[06:38] <histo> renshai: here
[06:38] <gloopie>  /exit
[06:39] <gloopie> O.o
[06:39] <Nabbies> its the 28th in europe.... GIVE 11.04
[06:39] <ayecee> Nabbies: breaking news in #ubuntu-release-party
[06:39] <rww> !countdown
[06:39] <Glaceon> ayecee, i reinstalled it and its still messing up
[06:39] <philipballew> renshai ubuntu-beginners
[06:40] <Nabbies> !countdown
[06:40] <ayecee> Glaceon: bad news. do you have more than one hard drive?
[06:41] <Glaceon> no why
[06:41] <maco> Nabbies: Natty will be released at some point while it is 28 April in at least one timezone on the planet Terra in the system Sol
[06:41] <Nabbies> :)
[06:42] <ayecee> Glaceon: because I've seen that happen when the bios and linux have different ideas about the hard drive order, and grub ends up installed on the wrong disk.
[06:43] <ayecee> maco: could you add the release party channel in your copypasta? It would come off as more friendly.
[06:43] <proq> I'm installing ubuntu via wubi, I would like to give the system 80GB but it will only let me give at the most 30.  How do I do this?
[06:43] <jslozier> quit
[06:43] <jslozier> exit
[06:44] <ayecee> jslozier: try /exit
[06:44] <ayecee> or /quit
[06:45] <ayecee> proq: i haven't seen that before. is that a limit from wubi itself, for some reason?
[06:46] <proq> ayecee: I can't imagine why.  I have 119 MB free and the system is only 2 days old so I'm sure it isn't fragmented
[06:46] <ouyes> How to get Fingerprint Scanners Work in ubuntu?
[06:46] <anthony_2409> are we able to download the 11.04 official release yet?
[06:46] <ayecee> I guess that was 119GB free
[06:46] <ayecee> anthony_2409: no. breaking news in #ubuntu-release-party
[06:46] <proq> 119GB free, yes
[06:46] <ouyes> anthony_2409, you have to wait for 24 hours
[06:46] <ayecee> at least!
[06:48] <arun___> why the delay in releasing 11.04?
[06:48] <nutsfornatty> new ubuntu is never released at midnight sharp
[06:48] <nutsfornatty> just wait, it will be released before the 29th
[06:49] <proq> arun___: it isn't the 28th yet
[06:50] <proq> arun___: if they were to release at 11:59 PM PST on the 28th, that would be in 25 hours
[06:50] <proq> not that I'm saying that they said which time zone or hour
[06:51] <maco> proq: and thats only UTC-8! (though itd be PDT right now so -7)... imagine in UTC-12!
[06:51] <proq> yeah  :)
[06:52] <maco> 30 more potential hours
[06:52] <Bob___> When is 11.04 released because I am kinda hoping to have it up and running today
[06:53] <rww> Bob___: sometime before it stops being April 28th somewhere on the planet
[06:53] <proq> happy ubuntu release eve!
[06:53] <Bob___> Im In GMT
[06:53] <Bob___> orBST
[06:53] <proq> I'm installing ubuntu over my windows 7 netbook, happy day
[06:53] <Bob___> Im not sure which
[06:53] <Narwhal> Bob___: before the 29th
[06:53] <histo> Bob___: you could alwasy upgrade now and you will have it.
[06:53] <maco> Bob___: release team is also in BST, so probably before they go to bed :)
[06:54] <proq> what time is it right now in BST?
[06:54] <Bob___> thanks alot
[06:54] <maco> proq: 7am
[06:54] <histo> maco: well it's 7am there
[06:54] <smw> It is 1:54PM in china
[06:54] <theGreatDane> why install over windows 7? windows 7 rocks
[06:54] <maco> histo: that was the question, yes
[06:54] <theGreatDane> its very good and stable
[06:54] <rww> maco: Release manager's LP profile says America/Chicago timezone ;P
[06:54] <maco> rww: they all fly to london
[06:54] <histo> lol
[06:54] <rww> maco: Ah. Curses!
[06:54] <histo> maco: yeah right
[06:55] <smw> theGreatDane, troll. (anything not bashing windows is trolling)
[06:55] <rww> although that would explain the release time tendencies
[06:55] <histo> maco: you read this in a book or just make it up as you go along?
[06:55] <proq> theGreatDane: I'm more productive on ubuntu, for a variety of reasons  :)
[06:55] <maco> histo: what? proq asked what time it is in britain *right now*
[06:55] <aroman> hey, how can I make all of my function keys perform their action without needing to have fn pressed? (i.e invert the fn button). thanks!
[06:55] <ayecee> histo: a little fom column A, a little from column B
[06:55] <maco> histo: so i rounded to the nearest hour... which is 7am. fine so its 6:55am technically, but close enough
[06:56] <BarbaraBush_> argh
[06:56] <histo> aroman: set keyboard shortcut preferences to what ever you want.
[06:56] <BarbaraBush_> dc'ed
[06:56] <maco> histo: though i have no idea why i'm doing the `date` command's job
[06:56] <histo> maco: they dont' fly to london for a release just fyi
[06:56] <smw> aroman, if you ever figure it out let me know. I want to kill HP so badly
[06:56] <aroman> histo: well then i'd lose the ability to use Fwhatever keys
[06:56] <maco> histo: so pgraner did what? swam there?
[06:56] <smw> aroman, I have gotten used to it overtime...
[06:56] <aroman> smw: its just lame though
[06:57] <maco> histo: a few key people do go to london for it
[06:57] <aroman> i need two hands to do something i should be able to do effortlessly
[06:57] <smw> aroman, apparently "no one uses the function keys"
[06:57] <BarbaraBush_> anyone know that time natty is released?
[06:57] <aroman> >:
[06:57] <smw> aroman, agreed
[06:57] <histo> aroman: then not quite sure what you are trying to do?
[06:57] <maco> BarbaraBush_: before its the 29th in the last timezone
[06:57] <Narwhal> BarbaraBush: before the 29th
[06:57] <smw> BarbaraBush, when it happens, it happens
[06:57] <BarbaraBush_> maco: the 28th here
[06:57] <AustinWolfclaw> "When it's done"
[06:57] <histo> aroman: you can't have one key have two functions. You have to use a modifier like the Fn key
[06:57] <maco> BarbaraBush_: its not the 28th in california yet
[06:58] <BarbaraBush_> it is done, was done yesterday lol
[06:58] <aroman> histo: i want the modifier to be pressed all the time
[06:58] <aroman> and un-press when I actually press it
[06:58] <Narwhal> BarbaraBush: contrary to what your family believes the Bush's are not the centre of the universe :)
[06:58] <maco> BarbaraBush_: nor in the very last timezone, which is utc-12. still got 30 hours before the 28th ends!
[06:58] <BarbaraBush_> hehe im not in cali  :P
[06:58] <aroman> e.g,
[06:58] <histo> There haven't been updates for a couple of days now 11.04 has been done.
[06:58] <AustinWolfclaw> i know i was making fun of the duke nukem thing
[06:58] <BarbaraBush_> Narwhal: thats why im in EU :P
[06:58] <histo> Just download the daily iso if you people want it so bad
[06:58] <tanath> so where do i go to gripe about usability?
[06:58] <Narwhal> histo: wrong, I got 40 packages updated earlier today
[06:58] <histo> tanath: devs
[06:58] <maco> histo: there've been respins of the ISOs going on and language pack rebuilds and stuff
[06:58] <aroman> if I hit f1 which both maximizes and toggles volume mute, I want mute to be _default_
[06:59] <smw> I came up with a good idea to beet the fact that all the apt mirrors will be overloaded. I will setup an ec2 instance with apt-cacher and download from the ubuntu ec2 mirror. What are the chances the ec2 mirror will be overloaded?
[06:59] <tanath> histo, that a channel? :P
[06:59] <histo> aroman: then change your keyboard shortcut preferences
[06:59] <smw> beat*
[06:59] <AustinWolfclaw> i'll just DL a torrent lol
[06:59] <aroman> histo: like I said, then I lose the ability to ever call fullscreen with a hotkey
[06:59] <smw> AustinWolfclaw, yeah, but you still can't install other packages
[06:59] <tanath> 11.04 looks to be a bigger disappointment than i feared it would be
[06:59] <histo> aroman: no you can assign that a different hotkey
[06:59] <AustinWolfclaw> I'm not on ubuntu...
[06:59] <histo> aroman: but do what you want.
[06:59] <aroman> histo: hmmph
[06:59] <AustinWolfclaw> I'm on windoes, i'm DLing the ISO
[07:00] <kaatta> ok so i have been trying for 5 days to get help in #lubuntu with setting up a composite manager
[07:00] <nutsfornatty> torrent for the win
[07:00] <aroman> this is a very simple task
[07:00] <AustinWolfclaw> err i mean i'm going to dl the iso torrent
[07:00] <tanath> who's bright idea was it to make windows maximize at the top of the screen, making it impossible to put windows there?
[07:00] <aroman> I want to invert the fn key's function
[07:00] <smw> AustinWolfclaw, but do you plan to install anything?
[07:00] <histo> tanath: well they aren't going to completely change the interface because you don't like it
[07:00] <BarbaraBush_> tanath, how so? 11.04 has up to date packages and an new kernel
[07:00] <smw> AustinWolfclaw, the mirrors slow to a crawl
[07:00] <kaatta> so my question is, what kind of performance difference will i see between 10.04, 10.10, and 11.04
[07:00] <AustinWolfclaw> invert from Fn to Nf?
[07:00] <histo> tanath: just don't drag windows past the panel and they won't maximize
[07:00] <ayecee> kaatta: almost none at all.
[07:00] <aroman> smw: you know, I think I'll write a wrapper that intercepts all Fwhatevery keys and maps them to my liking.
[07:00] <BarbaraBush_> ah GUI noob :P
[07:00] <nutsfornatty> tanath, give it a bit of space. it will work
[07:01] <tanath> histo, have a look on youtube. i'm hardly the only one with issues
[07:01] <kaatta> i know that 10.10 is a bit laggy @ times on this machine
[07:01] <histo> aroman: please stop
[07:01] <aroman> i could knock that out in a few hours this weekend.
[07:01] <aroman> histo: ....?
[07:01] <maco> histo: thats a compiz setting
[07:01] <histo> tanath: I don't have those issues
[07:01] <smw> aroman, what you really need is something that makes the fn key always pressed
[07:01] <histo> tanath: if you don't drag it past the top panel it won't maximize
[07:01] <kaatta> lubuntu runs very well, but i am tired of not being able to get any help w/ setting it up
[07:01] <maco> tanath: you can turn off the maximise on screen edge by changing your screen edge bindings in compiz
[07:01] <aroman> smw: well maybe, but I think it ought to invert
[07:01] <histo> tanath: further you drag the bigger it gets
[07:01] <BarbaraBush_> tanath run gnome classic instead of unity, solved
[07:01] <smw> aroman, when you press the fn key, it should then be un-fn
[07:01] <kaatta> so i was hoping 10.04 would run smoother on this hardware
[07:01] <tanath> histo, nutsfornatty hope so. i haven't tested ubuntu's implementation of it yet. i presumed it'd work like my win7 experience, which i hated
[07:01] <smw> aroman, yeah
[07:01] <aroman> smw: precisely
[07:01] <AustinWolfclaw> from what I'm understanding, Unity will only be on Ubuntu and not the other flavors?
[07:01] <aroman> i'll do just that :)
[07:01] <smw> aroman, I am thinking of how caps lock works
[07:01] <tanath> maco, thanks. i was wondering about that
[07:02] <smw> AustinWolfclaw, correct
[07:02] <maco> aroman: is this a mac? there's a tool somewhere for reversing their use
[07:02] <Spaz_Dynamic> I've got a question that doesn't pertain to when natty is coming out. Who wants to hear it?
[07:02] <histo> tanath: you hvae to go passed it as i've stated but you'll see for yourself
[07:02] <smw> !ask | Spaz_Dynamic
[07:02] <aroman> maco: no, but regardless, that's a software setting in OS X
[07:02] <tanath> BarbaraBush_, actually, i like a number of things about gnome 3, except that it also does the maximize thing, and has eliminated applet support which i need
[07:02] <maco> aroman: and in ubuntu...
[07:02] <aroman> maco: oh it is?
[07:02] <aroman> where?
[07:02] <tanath> histo, mhm. thx
[07:02] <smw> any AustinWolfclaw can you see why torrent does not help? What they need is to have apt use torrents!
[07:02] <maco> aroman: yeah, we have a way to handle mac keyboards. lemme look it up again
[07:02] <Spaz_Dynamic> smw: It's called humor. Everyone is asking about natty. =P
[07:03] <aroman> maco: oh right, that actually makes some sense
[07:03] <ayecee> smw: I think there's an "apt-torrent" package that does that.
[07:03] <aroman> I happen to have a mac with a mac keyboard.
[07:03] <histo> #ubuntu-release-party would be more appropriate rather than here
[07:03] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, ok, not very funny though... I was kind of excited
[07:03] <AustinWolfclaw> Narwhals narwhals swimming in the ocean, causing a commotion, cuz they're pretty awesome
[07:03] <smw> ayecee, but it is not in general use...
[07:03] <tanath> anyone know if i'll be able to use the win+a shortcut (compiz function) in unity?
[07:03] <Spaz_Dynamic> smw: and techinically, I didn't ask to ask a qustion, or ask who knew the answer, I asked who wanted to hear a question that wasn't "when is natty coming out"
[07:04] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, ok
[07:04]  * smw raises his hand
[07:04] <aroman> actually
[07:04] <ouyes> how many computers all over the world are now running ubuntu
[07:04] <velcroshooz> 12.
[07:04] <aroman> smw: maco: I think I can actually do this manually in Keyboard shortcuts
[07:04] <histo> !ot | Spaz_Dynamic ouyes
[07:04] <nutsfornatty> not enough to get Adobe to port photoshop
[07:04] <coldfish> 42
[07:04] <smw> ouyes, this can't be determined
[07:04] <AustinWolfclaw> Gimp FTW for Linux
[07:04] <maco> aroman: echo 0 > /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode
[07:04] <kaatta> what kinds of things can i do to make 10.10 run better on lesser hardware?
[07:05] <histo> !ot > AustinWolfclaw
[07:05] <shmoolikipod> Soon Gnome is gone
[07:05] <tanath> coldfish, that's your answer for everything ;0
[07:05] <aroman> granted i'd lose the normal Fkey function, but I can reassign most of the normal stuff
[07:05] <smw> aroman, if you do it, let me know!
[07:05] <maco> aroman: oh actually 1, not 0
[07:05] <tanath> * ;)
[07:05] <aroman> maco: whoa, trying that now, thanks a ton
[07:05] <maco> aroman: http://superuser.com/questions/79822/how-to-swap-the-fn-use-of-function-keys-on-al-apple-keyboard-in-linux
[07:05] <nutsfornatty> i spent yesterday using gimp, its growing on me
[07:05] <histo> kaatta: you could try using a different gui. Something like xfce or xubuntu etc...
[07:05] <Spaz_Dynamic> smw: haha, alright. So, I'm wanting to make a bootable USB for ubuntu, kubuntu, and xubuntu. Is it possible to make one stick bootable for all 3 live "CDs" It is 8GB so there is more than enough room.
[07:05] <coldfish> tanath, haha,right and simple one :)
[07:05] <Roasted> If I'm on 10.10 is it possible to upgrade to 11.04 yet, or are thtose packages not out yet?
[07:05] <histo> kaatta: there is help.ubuntu.com has low memory systems options
[07:05] <kaatta> nutsfornatty, ive used gimp and photoshop, i prefer gimp by alot, ii just dont like a few bugs ive run into that have cost me 8 hrs of work
[07:05] <histo> Roasted: they are out
[07:05] <maco> aroman: dunno if thatll work on a non-apple keyboard though. experiment time i guess
[07:05] <Roasted> histo, appreciate it bro
[07:06] <Spaz_Dynamic> histo: I wasn't off topic, I was just using an interesting segue. =P
[07:06]  * Barbarabush is a very strong man!
[07:06] <ouyes> smw, just a aproxisimite number like 10 100 1000 1000,000
[07:06] <rww> !ot | Barbarabush
[07:06] <aroman> maco: it won't, the module isn't loaded. but I guess I could digaround and see if I could modprobe it somehow
[07:06] <kaatta> ive tried xubuntu, and lubuntu, and had high hopes for lubuntu but lxde seems to be lacking too much that im used to with ubuntu
[07:06] <Spaz_Dynamic> perhaps not interesting so much as long and slightly convoluted.
[07:06] <Barbarabush> !ot rww
[07:06] <^Phantom^> how do i open 'modules' ?
[07:06] <Roasted> histo, by chance if you upgrade, do you know offhand how much extra hard drive space it uses? I ask because I only have 2gb left on my root partiion. I dont want to attempt it if itll tank it :(
[07:06] <tanath> Spaz_Dynamic, you might have a look at startup disk creator... dunno if it supports multiple though
[07:06] <smw> ouyes, one googol (10^100)
[07:06] <histo> ^Phantom^: what are you trying to do exactly?
[07:06] <Barbarabush> !ot | rww
[07:06] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, I would say not. If I really wanted to put work into it, I would get the alternative install cds and combine them
[07:06] <andrew_46> kaatta: I have not tried it but many swear by lubuntu:  http://lubuntu.net/
[07:07] <^Phantom^> see if i have !snd-pcm-oss in modules
[07:07] <Spaz_Dynamic> smw, how would I do that then?
[07:07] <^Phantom^> for a friend
[07:07] <nutsfornatty> kaatta, i think the basic gui is much better in gimp. photoshop is a bloated mess. tasks dont "flow" intuitively
[07:07] <histo> ^Phantom^: well you can lsmod | grep snd-pcm  to see if it's running. If not try locate snd-pcm-oss
[07:07] <tanath> nutsfornatty, gimp needs a lot of gui improvements though
[07:07] <kaatta> Andre_Gondim, im on lubuntu now, i have been sitting in #lubuntu for 5 days asking for help getting a composite manager running (google is no help at all)
[07:08] <tanath> nutsfornatty, like 3 overlapping windows? >.<
[07:08] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, I know very little about ubuntu's usb thing. Does it run a iso in loopback?
[07:08] <histo> ^Phantom^: and I believe it's snd_pcm_oss
[07:08] <kaatta> nutsfornatty, the biggest issue i have with gimp, is on really large projects, the 'undo history' gets so long tthat it will freeze and crash in windows
[07:08] <nutsfornatty> tanath, true. i could see it being the pixelmator (on osx) type killer app for ubuntu with some refinement
[07:08] <andrew_46> kaatta: What did you miss?
[07:08] <tanath> kaatta, there's also the ubuntu forums and askubuntu.com
[07:08] <kaatta> nutsfornatty, i havent really used it in linux yet
[07:08] <x3464> why isn't mangler in the Ubuntu repos.
[07:09] <ouyes> smw, I get a number for accessing ubuntuforums  4581000 ips per day
[07:09] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, for combining them, you get the alternative install cds, you look at the "pool" directory, and you combine them (they have the same file structure, some files are the same)
[07:09] <Spaz_Dynamic> smw: I don't know that myself. I know that the utility unetbootin uses 7zip to extract the images and then makes a modification to the MBR it
[07:09] <hfx> Why isn't ubuntu out yet!
[07:09] <nutsfornatty> i dont mind the windows. no worse than adobes floating bars
[07:09] <hfx> ?
[07:09] <kaatta> andrew_46, i cant find a composite manager that works properly for things like an app dock, and conky
[07:09] <tsimpson> hfx: because it's not
[07:09] <Spaz_Dynamic> hfx: ubuntu has been out for years. =P
[07:09] <cdoktor19> when 11.04 release
[07:09] <ckw> hfx, #ubuntu-release-party
[07:09] <hfx> Yes, thats what i mean
[07:09] <hfx> thanks
[07:10] <tanath> can upgrade now if you want
[07:10] <kaatta> andrew_46, google doesnt show much of anything that i have found, and nothing that i found helpful @ all about what compositte manager i should even be looking for
[07:10] <ckw> cdoktor19, #ubuntu-release-party
[07:10] <qin> x3464: There is PPA for mangler: https://launchpad.net/~mangler/+archive/mangler
[07:10] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, you then need to put all the preseed files in (with different names) and make menu entries
[07:10] <andrew_46> kaatta: What are the specs on the computer?
[07:10] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, It is not easy, however, you will learn alot about the debian installer and automated installs ;-)
[07:10] <histo> kaatta: cairo compmgr is a good one that will work well
[07:10] <histo> kaatta: if you don't want to run compiz
[07:11] <histo> kaatta: Or you can try mudder I believe gnome3 is using that.
[07:11] <Spaz_Dynamic> smw: interesting... I may look into it.
[07:11] <forces> where can i download ubuntu 11.04?
[07:11] <Starminn> histo: I thought it was "Mutter"
[07:11] <rww> forces: it's not out yet, so nowhere
[07:11] <tanath> hfx, cdoktor19 , if you jump the gun and upgrade before the official release time you won't clog the servers as much and suffer said clogging as much...
[07:11] <smw> forceflow, on the main page there is a link to the beta
[07:11] <rww> Starminn: it is
[07:11] <buhman1> it's the 28th across the us...
[07:12] <buhman1> where's my 11.04?
[07:12] <forces> oh! when will be out?
[07:12] <nutsfornatty> beta 2 -> update.... thats as close as you can get to 11.04 final atm
[07:12] <smw> buhman1, it is not the 28th in California!
[07:12] <Starminn> buhman1 forces: #ubuntu-release-party will tell you
[07:12] <kaatta> andrew_46, specs: http://www.netbooktech.com/asus-eee-pc-701sd/
[07:12] <Barbarabush> isent ubuntu using UK release times? or still the french?
[07:12] <forces> ok
[07:12] <rww> buhman1: Ubuntu doesn't use any particular timezone
[07:12] <rww> Barbarabush: ^^
[07:12] <Barbarabush> afaik it has been the 28th for ubuntu for atleast 7h now
[07:12] <kaatta> histo, i searched the synaptic package manager for cairo-compmgr and didnt find it @ all
[07:12] <velcroshooz> doesnt matter what timezone, there is no time set
[07:12] <rww> Barbarabush: it's 7am in the UK
[07:13] <Barbarabush> rww i know
[07:13] <Barbarabush> 8 here
[07:13] <smw> forceflow, buhman1, "Ubuntu 11.04 release is scheduled somewhere in the time period when it's April 28th somewhere in the world, not at a specific time"
[07:13] <rww> oh, I read 17. Sorry.
[07:13] <Barbarabush> lol
[07:13] <andrew_46> kaatta: 7 inch display!!!
[07:13] <maco> Barbarabush: a day is 49 hours :)
[07:13] <aroman> smw: maco: think i figured it out, testing, brb.
[07:13] <Barbarabush> hehe maco
[07:13] <rww> #ubuntu-release-party is driving me crazy I guess
[07:13] <Barbarabush> i was awake at 24:00 here, checking if 11.04 was released :P
[07:13] <proq> party party!
[07:14] <Barbarabush> pooking around ftp's to see if it had been uploaded by mistake etc
[07:14] <tsimpson> seeing as there is no set time for the release, it really doesn't matter what time it is
[07:14] <tanath> cdoktor19, buhman1, forces: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[07:14] <Barbarabush> since 11.04 was done the 27th
[07:14] <kaatta> andrew_46, yea, its a 800x480 resolution, ubuntu installer window doesnt even support that. bottom of the screen is cut off
[07:15] <cdoktor19> am still 10.04 Lts it just upgrade to 10.10
[07:15] <tanath> cdoktor19, and from there you can upgrade to next one. or you could skip and download iso from ubuntu.com
[07:15] <ttuttle> is 11.04 out yet?
[07:16] <rww> ttuttle: no
[07:16] <ttuttle> is it coming out today?
[07:16] <Barbarabush> yes
[07:16] <qin> !party > ttuttle
[07:16] <ttuttle> cool.
[07:16] <ttuttle> qin: thanks
[07:16] <cdoktor19> i will wait to download iso
[07:16] <histo> !party > cdoktor19
[07:17] <dani_> any idea when it will be out????
[07:17] <histo> !upgrade > cdoktor19
[07:17] <histo> !party > dani_
[07:17] <smw> dani_,  "Ubuntu 11.04 release is scheduled somewhere in the time period when it's April 28th somewhere in the world, not at a specific time"
[07:17] <Barbarabush> waste of time inviting people
[07:17] <Spaz_Dynamic> dani_: in the next 24 hours
[07:17] <Barbarabush> people join it and leave again
[07:17] <Barbarabush> just take the channel down lol
[07:17] <Spaz_Dynamic> dani_: correction, what smw said
[07:18] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, we are both correct
[07:18] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, in 24hours and 40minutes it will not be April 28th anywhere
[07:18] <konaya> konaya@carbon:~$ date
[07:18] <konaya> Thu Apr 28 08:18:39 CEST 2011
[07:18] <konaya> It's the 28th. Where is it? :P
[07:19] <histo> !party > konaya
[07:19] <Spaz_Dynamic> smw: not true. california it will still be the 28th, and hawaii and etc
[07:19] <qin> histo: too fast ;)
[07:19] <histo> !ot > smw Spaz_Dynamic
[07:19] <x3464> Mangler needs to be included in the repos.
[07:19] <histo> !ot > Spaz_Dynamic
[07:20] <histo> x3464: you can build a deb and submit it.
[07:20] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, not in 24hours and 40 minutes
[07:20] <konaya> histo, there are three people in #ubuntu-release-party. No, three idling clients, my bad. Feels more productive asking a question in an active channel if you ask me
[07:21] <Spaz_Dynamic> smw, then it will be still in hawaii still
[07:21] <Corey> konaya: You're incorrect.
[07:21] <histo> konaya: there more than 3 and it is off topic here
[07:21] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, maybe, I don't know hawaii, I thought they were PST
[07:21] <Corey> I show 210 people there. :-)
[07:21] <qin> konaya: 210
[07:21] <Scarra3> Sup everyone
[07:21] <Scarra3> Well im glad that 11.04 is released soon
[07:21] <Barbarabush> im not idle konaya :P
[07:21] <konaya> Oh.
[07:21] <konaya> Guys.
[07:22] <konaya> The topic.
[07:22] <rww> konaya: what about it?
[07:22] <Scarra3> Theres a lot of peopl here in okinawa who wan't it lol
[07:22] <konaya> It's an exclamation mark after the release party channel name.
[07:22] <litropy> I have a Kensington Orbit Optical trackball. As you can see: (http://tinyurl.com/6btnlhv), it doesn't have a scroll wheel. While using supported operating systems, right-click+leftclick'ing tells the OS to scroll with the ball's y-axis until another click happens. How can I attain the same functionality in Ubuntu?
[07:22] <konaya> Xchat assumes it's part of the name. :P
[07:22] <rww> konaya: ah
[07:22] <Spaz_Dynamic> smw: i'm not sure about that, but i'm GMT -5, and hawaii can't be more than 6 hours behind me, so thats GMT-11
[07:23] <histo> !ot | Spaz_Dynamic
[07:23] <Barbarabush> so does the freenode web client
[07:23] <quellhorst> is 11.04 out yet?
[07:23] <konaya> That's more like it :) sorry about the confusion and the off-topicness
[07:23] <histo> !party > quellhorst
[07:23] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, I am east coast too
[07:23] <rww> quellhorst: no
[07:23] <konaya> !party > quellhorst
[07:24] <x3464> qin: can't find that ppa you mentioned.
[07:24] <qin> one sec...
[07:24] <histo> x3464: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+mangler+ppa
[07:24] <en1gma> geohot gave his old hacker friends the L:P to the PSN master server after he got hired by sony? he only took the job from sony (as part of the master plan) to take down the PSN?
[07:25] <rww> !ot | en1gma
[07:25] <en1gma> :)
[07:25] <en1gma> k
[07:25] <en1gma> it breaks up the "when is 11.04 gonna be released though"
[07:26] <econnell> qin: because i just deleted it
[07:26] <x3464> histo http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+mangler+ppa
[07:26] <histo> x3464: yes
[07:26] <Spaz_Dynamic> en1gma: I know, thats part of why I kept going on about timezones with smw. xD
[07:27] <qin> x3464: Launchpad seems to be on lockdown
[07:27] <Spaz_Dynamic> why isn't lubuntu endorsed by canonical?
[07:27] <histo> Spaz_Dynamic: http://lubuntu.net/about
[07:28] <qin> econnell: Ah...
[07:28] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, because lubuntu is lxde which is hard to use?
[07:28] <Spaz_Dynamic> histo: yeah, I didn't see why.
[07:28] <econnell> qin: the less support i provide to ubuntu myself, the more they'll take on their own responsibility... just like every other distro
[07:29] <Spaz_Dynamic> smw: how is it hard?
[07:29] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, Well, it is too simple
[07:29] <histo> Spaz_Dynamic: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10714672
[07:29] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, not specifically hard
[07:29] <velcroshooz> Spaz_Dynamic, canonical has limited resources, they cant support every offshoot distro with a different DE
[07:30] <Spaz_Dynamic> smw: I use puppy linux. its rather simple and I love it for that.
[07:30] <smw> Spaz_Dynamic, I am not saying that makes it bad. It makes it the opposite of ubuntu
[07:30] <Spaz_Dynamic> But I want a more fluffy OS for my desktop, so I use a 'buntu flavor
[07:31] <Spaz_Dynamic> aaahh, ok
[07:31] <histo> !ot > Spaz_Dynamic
[07:31] <ktwo> hi do you know any alternative to pyLoad (it has to run on a non-gui system and provide a web-interface)
[07:32] <topramen> im going to cry now
[07:32] <histo> ktwo: http://alternativeto.net/software/pyload/
[07:32] <Spaz_Dynamic> ubottu: I dun wanna. You just keep saying the same thing to me over and over. It's akin to spamming, and I don't approve.
[07:33] <histo> Spaz_Dynamic: well then stop being offtopic
[07:33] <x3464> histo:  already done...  a long time ago.  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7251
[07:34] <histo> x3464: it looks like they need a package for natty but they probably missed that deadline as well.
[07:34] <econnell> hahaha
[07:36] <econnell> x3464: you see why this is so frustrating?
[07:36] <histo> x3464: they need to release a package for the development version.
[07:36] <x3464> Yes....  a sea of confusion.
[07:36] <histo> x3464: so it can be tested etc.. and made sure that it doesn't break anything etc...
[07:37] <histo> x3464: otherwise it will be in ppa. Or you can build from source.
[07:37] <econnell> x3464: this is why i think not distributing a deb and not running a PPA will force their hand...  especially when they find out there's new features they can't use
[07:37] <KatronixSerf> Hi all, running 11.1 Beta 2, and see that my nvidia driver is enabled but not in use, how can I enable it?
[07:37] <histo> KatronixSerf: /j #ubuntu+1
[07:37] <g105b> is this the link to the release version of 11.04? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64.iso
[07:37] <KatronixSerf> ok
[07:38] <g105b> or do I have to wait until it is released to ubuntu.com ?
[07:38] <forces> g105b, no
[07:38] <x3464> econnell:  I agree...  Mangler should go primetime now.  PPA is just ugly.
[07:38] <forces> g105b, thats daily build
[07:38] <econnell> "oh... you use ubuntu?  yeah... me too... the software is developed on ubuntu and it works perfectly.... but no you can't use it because ubuntu bureaucracy means you have to compile it yourself.  or.... well... go complain in #ubuntu i guess"
[07:38] <asee> my pidgin is not working
[07:38] <histo> x3464: it would if someone would submit a deb to teh development version
[07:38] <g105b> ... I'm just excited to get 11.04 upgraded
[07:39] <histo> econnell: it's not that hard of a process to understand and there are reasons for it.
[07:39] <asee> help me!!! my pidgin is not working
[07:39] <histo> asee: can you describe not working
[07:39] <maco> econnell: what are you on about?
[07:39] <forces> i want the 11.04 iso image
[07:39] <forces> :(
[07:39] <maco> econnell: we have a way to get packages into stable releases
[07:39] <maco> !arb
[07:39] <econnell> histo: i don't care what the reasons for your packaging bureaucracy are...  i write software... not packing stuff for operating system s
[07:39] <histo> !party > forces
[07:39] <maco> bah
[07:40] <ruan> just because natty is released today doesn't mean it's already released and stable
[07:40] <histo> econnell: it's not my policy. it's pretty much every distros
[07:40] <asee> it just failed to login on pidgin ...HELP!!
[07:40] <histo> !volunteer | econnell
[07:40] <econnell> histo: we've been in arch and gentoo for like 1.5 years
[07:40] <g105b> does anyone know what time 11.04 will be up for download?
[07:40] <forces> same question here
[07:40] <maco> econnell: submit your package to the application review board if you want to get it into a stable release
[07:41] <velcroshooz> 2 minutes.
[07:41] <maco> g105b: Natty will be released at some point while it is 28 April in at least one timezone on the planet Terra in the system Sol
[07:41] <maco> g105b: party in #ubuntu-release-party
[07:41] <histo> econnell: if a user of a distro wants a package. They will submit a deb/rpm/whatever distro plox to a development version so it can be added to official repositories
[07:41] <econnell> maco: hah.... did that about a year and a half ago
[07:41] <maco> econnell: it didnt exist a year and a half ago
[07:41] <nsmnmj> how to solve dependency conflict when two packages need a different version of some other package?
[07:41] <histo> econnell: arch/gentoo development is faster because they are rolling releases
[07:42] <econnell> 1.0.0 was released on dec 2009, correct
[07:42] <econnell> was in repos on arch and gentoo within weks
[07:42] <econnell> *weeks
[07:42] <maco> econnell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostReleaseApps/Process
[07:42] <histo> econnell: i bet it was in aur in arch not official repos first
[07:42] <histo> econnell: or testing
[07:42] <econnell> histo: yes... i understand that it's not as fast... but seriously... a year?  seriously?
[07:43] <econnell> it is in aur
[07:43] <maco> econnell: this process is 6 months old. i have no idea how you purport to have done it a year before it existed
[07:43] <econnell> and there is a maintainer
[07:43] <histo> econnell: I don't know what you want. Distros that just accept any code without it being vetted or requested that would work out well.
[07:43] <econnell> when i released 1.2.2 two days ago, aur was updated within 3 hours
[07:43] <histo> econnell: aur is a user repo like ppa's
[07:43] <histo> econnell: your app is in ppa so I don't understand the issue
[07:44] <andrew_46> econnell: Slackware has a slightly older version: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.37/network/mangler/
[07:44] <econnell> sure... but it's available without my having to do anything... now i've stopped making debs... it'll be someone elses problem... gentoo on the other hand is official
[07:44] <nsmnmj> how to solve dependency conflict when two packages need a different version of some other package?	
[07:44] <histo> econnell: I agree with your stance.
[07:45] <econnell> histo: no... i've deleted my ppa because i don't want to maintain it and since i've provided debs, no one else has really cared
[07:45] <econnell> now that i'm not providing those, you're going to get complaints
[07:45] <qin> nsmnmj: Are you installing via dpkg or apt ?
[07:45] <nsmnmj> dpkg
[07:45] <histo> econnell: then maybe nobody wants the app?
[07:45] <qin> nsmnmj: What package?
[07:45] <histo> econnell: it's a user based distro
[07:45] <econnell> histo: yeah... that's what it is...
[07:46] <histo> econnell: community based distro
[07:46] <nsmnmj> gtk
[07:46] <econnell> ubuntu users are the majority of our userbase
[07:46] <histo> econnell: then one of them will make a ppa and produce a deb i'm sure.
[07:46] <maco> econnell: if you dont want to maintain it, did you at least file a needs-packaging bug in ubuntu or (better) a work-needing bug in debian?
[07:46] <econnell> are you serious?  do you even know what this app is and why ubuntu would be the primary userbase?
[07:46] <histo> econnell: ventrillo client or something right?
[07:46] <econnell> maco: there's been a needs packaging bug for over a year
[07:46] <qin> nsmnmj: Did you downmoad gtk?
[07:46] <maco> econnell: i for one have not the slightest idea what app you are talking about
[07:47] <nsmnmj> yes
[07:47] <nsmnmj> from gtk.org
[07:47] <wieldy_BIOS> when new Ubuntu version will released?
[07:47] <nsmnmj> all packages
[07:47] <maco> (i also probably dont care if im getting on fine without it)
[07:47] <histo> !part > wieldy_BIOS
[07:47] <bhavesh> wieldy_NIOS: today
[07:47] <Callum__> !part > Callum__
[07:47] <histo> !party > wieldy_BIOS
[07:47] <Callum__> heh
[07:47] <litropy__> !party
[07:47] <econnell> hell... look at our forums... we get messages like this constantly: I am giving Ubuntu 10.10 a test run on my main gaming rig (loving it so far ^.^) and i recently found Mangler which solved my biggest issue of not having a native ventrilo client for linux. I was astonished when i found out that there is a built-in applet for my Logitech G15 keyboard!
[07:48] <Callum__> I was just about to ask his question, heh, oh well
[07:48] <wieldy_BIOS> ok-ok
[07:48] <histo> econnell: I understand your complaint but that's how ever distro works
[07:48] <maco> econnell: but really the bit about "they'll take on their own responsibility" ... the majority of ubuntu devs are volunteers taking care of the packages they care about and ignoring others. the ones being forced to take care of certain packages for their job are in the minority and since your software isnt part of the default install, they won't be forced to touch it at all
[07:48] <econnell> i dont' care how the distro works
[07:49] <histo> econnell: okay
[07:49] <econnell> maco: wtf... seriously?  do you want to take a second to amend that comment before i respond?
[07:49] <histo> econnell: we're just trying to explain
[07:49] <sobersabre> hi. I am on 10.10
[07:49] <histo> !hi | sobersabre
[07:49] <maco> econnell: not particularly. nobody except the canonical employees are REQUIRED to do anythng for ubuntu
[07:50] <econnell> do you think i make any money from this?  do you think i have some personal gain to make?
[07:50] <maco> econnell: fame?
[07:50] <maco> econnell: dunno
[07:50] <histo> econnell: you and every other linux dev
[07:50] <sobersabre> I want to change default resolution of the console. tried messing with grub2, but it has no effect. I think I need to do something related to fb, but I don't know how with grub2.
[07:50] <sobersabre> I added gfxpayload=1024x768x16
[07:50] <DirtyDawg> is the new 11.04 due out today? i just checked the website and its still 10.10?
[07:50] <maco> econnell: im just saying, nobody in particular has any responsibility to anyone else when it comes to what they package, unless its their *job*. its volunteer work. people can CHOOSE to take it or live it
[07:50] <histo> sobersabre: add a vga mode to
[07:50] <maco> DirtyDawg: some time later today
[07:50] <econnell> i've got projects way more important than this retarded project...  my fame for this crap will never be important
[07:50] <DirtyDawg> ahh thx
[07:51] <sobersabre> histo: ok. trying... will be back.
[07:51] <maco> econnell: please don't use offensive language
[07:51] <sobersabre> vbeinfo is supposed to print out the vga modes list ?
[07:51] <sobersabre> histo: the above line was for you :)
[07:51] <econnell> sorry
[07:51] <histo> econnell: then perhaps the project needs to be picked up by someone else. That's how linux works I don't know what you want.
[07:51] <histo> sobersabre: here let me get you link you need something like vga=771
[07:51] <x3464> crap is considered offensive language?
[07:51] <maco> econnell: by the way, ive scrolled back pretty far in the backlog to as far back as i can see you first talking, and i dont actually see you ever saying what software it is you want someone to package, so i guess i wont be picking it up as my next upload
[07:52] <econnell> i just want someone to package it so i don't have to spend an entire weekend building packages for debian based systems... that's all
[07:52] <qin> nsmnmj: Gtk.org do not load, but it is not easy (or sane) to override version.
[07:52] <histo> econnell: I would put a message on your forums asking for such
[07:52] <sobersabre> histo: I ran vbeinfo in grub shell.
[07:52] <sobersabre> there was no "771" in it
[07:53] <maco> histo, econnell: and for that matter, just ask that it be packaged for *debian* -- no reason to package for debian and ubuntu separately. if its in debian, it'll be sync'd to ubuntu automatically
[07:53] <sobersabre> I wrote down and it looks like 0x117 (which would translate into 279)
[07:53] <maco> whatever "it" is (i still don't know)
[07:53] <qin> sobersabre: That means you cannot use 771
[07:53] <sobersabre> qin: so can I use the hex. codes from vbeinfo output ?
[07:53] <maco> x3464: it was comparison to the mentally disabled that was offensive
[07:53] <histo> sobersabre: sorry just saw you are using grub2 read post#17 here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8024427
[07:54] <sobersabre> histo: thanks, there.
[07:54] <bhavesh> while I boot my ubuntu 10.10 I get a *underscore* blinking for about 4 seconds, is there any way to replace it by ubuntu boot screen?
[07:55] <x3464> maco:  how about redonkulous then.
[07:56] <histo> x3464: there were other words used
[07:56] <histo> x3464: scrollback
[07:58] <qin> sobersabre: ok, either: setupcon, or use this (very good) how to: http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/ (it is about old problem, but usable).
[08:00] <econnell> histo: ya know... a good portion of my users are blind... and they use an ubuntu deriviative called vinux, which is a derivative of ubuntu for blind users.   We have worked with them extensively within our app to make sure they had accessibility.  All the while, we were able to maintain casual conversation and even *heaven forbid* make jokes about blindness...  do you really take yourself that serious?
[08:01] <histo> econnell: nope just don't understand what you want? or what your question is? perhaps there is a miss comunication
[08:01] <maco> econnell: i still dont know what your software is, but i will say "thank you for actually bothering with accessibility, unlike just about everyone else"
[08:01] <histo> econnell: I'm just trying to help and explain why it is the way it is.
[08:02] <histo> maco: a ventrillo client. It's a voice chatting app.
[08:02] <maco> econnell: i learned a few weeks ago that 10.10 wasnt installable at all if you're blind and 11.04 is only slightly installable
[08:04] <tuckaway> hi everyone... can anyone suggest a walkthrough or guide to help take necessary steps to secure my ubuntu install.  Just want to make sure I am making my install the most secure I can make it..
[08:04] <kernel> join #c
[08:04] <econnell> maco: histo: incidentlally... vinux includes mangler by default.... because it's useful
[08:04] <maco> econnell: is that the name of the software?
[08:04] <histo> tuckaway: is it just a default install?
[08:04] <histo> maco: mangler
[08:04] <econnell> vinux is the name of the OS
[08:04] <econnell> http://vinuxproject.org/
[08:05] <gr1ncheux> hi there
[08:05] <haxar> hallo
[08:05] <maco> econnell: yeah i know about vinux. ubuntu-accessibility team works with them. im asking "is mangler the name of the software you've been ranting about for the last half hour without naming it?"
[08:05] <smw> tuckaway, is it just a simple desktop install? There is little to secure.
[08:05] <tuckaway> Histo -> yes just the default install.. i have been running ubuntu for about 18 months now and i need to learn how to secure my desktop
[08:05] <histo> tuckaway: secure it from?
[08:06] <mysteriousdarren> lock it down!
[08:06] <econnell> maco: i've name it, linked it, linked revu posts, linked debian bugs...  fine... here: http://www.mangler.org/
[08:06] <smw> tuckaway, what do you mean "secure". What types of attacks are you afraid of?
[08:06] <maco> econnell: thanks. like i said earlier, i scrolled back as far as i saw you talking, and the earliest i see is you telling qin that you deleted....something.. and then just usng "it" to refer to the software so...
[08:07] <tuckaway> just want to make sure i am not leaving anything open on the machine by default.... file sharing, ssh, things of that nature...
[08:07] <smw> tuckaway, what would you do to "secure" windows? What types of attacks do you fear?
[08:07] <gr1ncheux> i installed an ubuntu server 10.04 a few days ago and i'm stocked with an pci express ethernet card with realtek chipset r8168 somebody could help me ?
[08:07] <histo> tuckaway: well if you don't enable them then no.
[08:07] <econnell> maco: i'm frustrated by debian/ubuntu... i shouldn't take it out on you
[08:07] <smw> tuckaway, those are not run by default
[08:07] <smw> tuckaway, I don't even think those are installed by default
[08:07] <llutz_> tuckaway: just normal things to do: don't install stuff you don't need, don't run stuff you needn't, check running services if they are configured as restrictive as possible and "use /dev/brain"
[08:08] <maco> econnell: well i am an ubuntu dev, but in general we prefer *not* to add new packages just to ubuntu, rather they go through debian so A) more users get it and B) more hands to help
[08:08] <proq> llutz_: most people set up /dev/brain > /dev/null
[08:08] <Gloopie>  graph
[08:08] <llutz_> proq: common mistake :(
[08:08] <smw> tuckaway, if you were making a kiosk or something where you are afraid of people with physical access, there is alot to do.
[08:09] <tuckaway> alright maybe i am looking to much into this...
[08:09] <tuckaway> just 2 years into linux and learning
[08:10] <smw> tuckaway, yes, probably. For public computers, it is way to easy to gain root if you have physical access.
[08:10] <Popopo> hello
[08:10] <haxar> hallo
[08:10] <Popopo> :)
[08:10] <lwizardl> so what time will the official release happen today ?
[08:10] <smw> tuckaway, so a school, internet kiosk, etc, would need some work.
[08:10] <tsimpson> lwizardl: there is no set time
[08:10] <tuckaway>  thanks smw
[08:10] <Popopo> well... I am sorry for this question... but I read a lot of FAQs and... I couldn't solve my instalation's problem
[08:10] <theGreatDane> any1 know what xinetd is?
[08:10] <theGreatDane> its a process running on my box\
[08:11] <smw> lwizardl, "Ubuntu 11.04 release is scheduled somewhere in the time period when it's April 28th somewhere in the world, not at a specific time"
[08:11] <Popopo> may I ask for some help about how to install ubunto for netbook?
[08:11] <smw> rww, can I have that as a bot cmd?
[08:11] <smw> that would be sweet :-)
[08:11] <Morten_> theGreatDane: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinetd
[08:11] <lwizardl> where is conicals "home country" ?
[08:11] <maco> lapion: Isle of Man
[08:11] <maco> lapion: bah not you
[08:11] <tsimpson> smw: and now you know why we restrict editing factoids :)
[08:11] <maco> lwizardl: Isle of Man
[08:12] <maco> lwizardl: though their office is in london
[08:12] <lwizardl> ok
[08:12] <smw> tsimpson, yep. Still you have got to admit that would be a nice factoid :-P
[08:12] <theGreatDane> ty
[08:12] <Morten_> :)
[08:12] <tsimpson> smw: for one day, not really...
[08:12] <x3464> Tax Haven what?
[08:13] <smw> tsimpson, fine, I will keep it in my clipboard
[08:13] <tsimpson> smw: most clients will let you set command aliases, set one to send that message
[08:14] <Popopo> ??? nobody to help?
[08:14] <maco> Popopo: you havent asked a question
[08:14] <WaltherFI> Popopo: what's your problem?
[08:14] <llutz_> !details | Popopo
[08:14] <maco> Popopo: or at least not a question beyond "can i ask a question?" level
[08:14] <Popopo> you are right maco... but I explained it
[08:14] <Popopo> my problem
[08:14] <Popopo> is...
[08:14] <Popopo> I am installing ubunto in my netbook
[08:14] <Popopo> where already I have installed W7
[08:15] <Popopo> and it has 4 partitions already...
[08:15] <Popopo> I have no options in ubunto to installing with win7
[08:15] <WaltherFI> That's something W7 does, recovery partitions etc
[08:15] <Popopo> only erase all the disk
[08:15] <Popopo> or manually
[08:15] <Popopo> yes
[08:15] <Popopo> I know Walther
[08:15] <Popopo> but my question... Have I another option?
[08:16] <Popopo> I mean... I don't want to delete my partitions because my job
[08:16] <bhavesh> would it be safe if  I remove quiet and splash from GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset video=uvesafb:mode_option=1280x1024-24,mtrr=3,scroll=ywrap"
[08:16] <maco> Popopo: i think you need to use manual since once there are 4 primary partitions, you cant fit any more at all. you need to get rid of a primary and put in an extended, then you can put lots in the extended one
[08:16] <maco> Popopo: possibly one of these is already extended, even
[08:16] <bhavesh> I want Ubuntu boot menu instead of the blinking *underscore*
[08:16] <Popopo> got it maco... it is not a bad idea
[08:17] <maco> Popopo: but the 4-primary-max is just plain a hard drive thing, not an ubuntu thing
[08:17] <Popopo> ... I think more than one is extended... but isntalations system don't allow me to install it
[08:18] <Popopo> maco... in anycase... if I put one as extended... if do I format the primary upper this extended... the extended will be formated too?
[08:19] <WaltherFI> Official release out yet?
[08:19] <silvery> Hi, does anyone here have information about where I can get release version of 11.04?
[08:20] <msb___> Will 11.04 beta2 be upgradable to the official release?
[08:20] <DirtyDawg> its due out later today
[08:20] <tsimpson> msb___: yes
[08:20] <DJones> Yes
[08:20] <msb___> thanks
[08:20] <WaltherFI> of course it is upgradeable, but i'd still recommend a clean install
[08:20] <quick_nick> silvery: not out yet, release manager will announce at some time today
[08:21] <WaltherFI> i've been through so much trouble after failed upgrades
[08:21] <TerryBook> anyone have an estimate of what time it'll be out?
[08:21] <silvery> can't wait)))
[08:21] <silvery> quick_nick : thank you
[08:21] <PAAAA> UBUNTU COMES TODAY !°!!
[08:21] <DirtyDawg> i,m waiting to download it, have to say tho, i am not sure about Unity yet, looks weird
[08:21] <msb___> yeah, considering a clean install...
[08:22] <WaltherFI> but guys
[08:22] <WaltherFI> !ot
[08:22] <Popopo> ...
[08:23] <pdg1> hello
[08:23] <Popopo> I can't consider a clear install... too much information very important... and moreover... I need to work with win7 because university and job
[08:23] <WaltherFI> Popopo: go with the manual partitioning, merge some partitions and make space for ubuntu
[08:24] <pdg1> i have a dumb question about mounting a file system. I've mounted this drive many times before but i just installed ubuntu server and i can't remember the file system type nor how to properly edit fstab. any help pointing me to a howto/tutorial?
[08:24] <DirtyDawg> i just made a 100GB partition in preperation for the new release, i think i may wubi it first tho just to check it out
[08:25] <vibhav> where to put auto commands in Xchat?
[08:25] <smw> vibhav, it is under the server configuration
[08:25] <Popopo> ok WaltherFi... got it... but it doesn't work. I tried already and doesn't work because I have already 4 primary partitions
[08:25] <vibhav> where smw?
[08:26] <ScottONanski1> When does 11.04 go live?
[08:26] <llutz_> pdg1: "sudo blkid" gives you the filesystem-type, man mount / man fstab should help to get a working fstab-line
[08:26] <smw> vibhav, server -> network list -> choose a server -> edit
[08:26] <DirtyDawg> on a side note, i wonder why wubi only allows a 30gb max size during setup
[08:26] <smw> vibhav, it is the "connect command"
[08:26] <ScottONanski1> When does Ubuntu 11.04 go live?
[08:26] <vibhav> Thanks!
[08:27] <WaltherFI> DirtyDawg: wubi is not recommended
[08:27] <tsimpson> ScottONanski1: there is no set time
[08:27] <DirtyDawg> ScottONanski1: today
[08:27] <Popopo> well... maybe next question is easier... for community... I have ubunto in a usb-key. Now I am running it in my netbook. I have internet connection... and I am trying to install aircrack-ng suite there... but I can't not... it say "dependency is no satisfiable:iw" What is happening?
[08:27] <agare> hej
[08:27] <vibhav> Hi everyone!
[08:27] <WaltherFI> Popopo: aircrack-ng is not officially supported
[08:28] <WaltherFI> Popopo: for that, ask some other channel
[08:28] <pdg1> oh geez... i know what i'm doing wrong :p i forgot the 1 in sdc1
[08:28] <pdg1> thanks llutz
[08:28] <Popopo> mmm got it
[08:28] <Popopo> ok ok...
[08:28] <DirtyDawg> WaltherFI: well i have 10.10 proper install on the desktop, putting the new release on my lappy
[08:28] <Popopo> I will try install ubunto by your advices...
[08:29] <WaltherFI> DirtyDawg: wubi often breaks after some use, it is not intended for long-term usage
[08:29] <Popopo> there is another release? yesterday I downloaded the last one... it was not 10.10?
[08:29] <DirtyDawg> ahh
[08:29] <tsimpson> Popopo: 11.04 releases today
[08:29] <WaltherFI> i totally advice for installing alongside
[08:31] <agare> hi
[08:31] <agare> im a nice guy
[08:31] <DirtyDawg> congratulations
[08:32] <agare> thanks
[08:32] <WaltherFI> !offtopic
[08:32] <Popopo> uuuh today... for netbook version too? I will check it right now... maybe I have a solution there....
[08:32] <sobersabre> histo: I've tried your link, and implemented.
[08:33] <Popopo> thank you for all the answers .ç:) I will try to continue from this point.
[08:33] <Popopo> have a nice day!!! :)
[08:33] <sobersabre> As of now during the boot - GRUB2 does set the graphic mode correctly. BUT after that somehow the setup changes to something I don't want.
[08:34] <soreau> sobersabre: Try sys>prefs>monitors
[08:35] <silvery> Please advice on how do I change Unity to Gnome and would Desktop version of 11.04 have Unity as default desktop environment too?
[08:35] <Soothsayer> launch party channel name ?
[08:35] <soreau> Soothsayer: #ubuntu-release-party
[08:35] <Soothsayer> silvery: yes it would, but I read the switch is easy.. you just pick gnome during the login screen.
[08:35] <Soothsayer> thanks
[08:36] <soreau> silvery: Also, natty is still not supported here until after the official release
[08:36] <silvery> Soothsayer : oh, thanks
[08:36] <vibhav> Can anybody help me in streaming on my network which has 2 ubuntu boxes?
[08:36] <silvery> soreau : until today, then
[08:36] <DirtyDawg> what do the guys in #ubuntu+1 do when the new release is live? just idle and stay silent for a couple of months?
[08:36] <Soothsayer> soreau: professor, isn't that a few hours away? :-P
[08:37] <soreau> Soothsayer: yes
[08:38] <soreau> silvery: Until -later- today
[08:38] <vibhav> Can anybody help me in streaming on my network which has 2 ubuntu boxes?
[08:38] <smw> DirtyDawg, then they can stop splitting their attention and just help in #ubuntu
[08:38] <DirtyDawg> ahh
[08:38] <sobersabre> soreau: sorry to be rude.   do you know what I am talking about ?
[08:38] <smw> vibhav, stream what?
[08:38] <vibhav> stream media like videos
[08:38] <soreau> sobersabre: What graphics card do you have?
[08:39] <sobersabre> soreau: are you a bot ?
[08:39] <vibhav> smw : stream media like videos
[08:39] <silvery> soreau : thanks for your explanation
[08:40] <sobersabre> soreau: I'm trying to reconfigure console resolution.
[08:40] <josephoenix> Hello all
[08:40] <soreau> sobersabre: What graphics card do you have?
[08:40] <sobersabre> soreau: intel
[08:40] <smw> sobersabre, as in when it is not running in the gui?
[08:40] <vibhav> hey smw i want to stream Videos
[08:41] <sobersabre> smw: aye.
[08:41] <soreau> sobersabre: Have you tried the applet in system>preferences>Monitors?
[08:41] <josephoenix> I've been given a VPS with almost no information about it and told "migrate to this." As a first step, I did 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' and it tried to install grub. I told it not to. What are the chances that I screwed things up?
[08:41] <smw> sobersabre, that needs to be fixed in grub
[08:41] <vibhav> hey smw i want to stream Videos
[08:41] <smw> sobersabre, add the option vga=??? where ??? is a 3 digit number representing your display
[08:41] <sobersabre> smw: I have yet to change vga=xxx, which I will try now.
[08:41] <smw> vibhav, I know littel about that
[08:41] <vibhav> smw thats fine
[08:41] <vibhav> smw never mind
[08:42] <smw> sobersabre, that is the only way I know how and I have done it many times
[08:42] <sobersabre> I tried gfxmode, gfxpayload but it apparently changed only what was happening in grub menu.
[08:42] <sobersabre> OK. trying now.
[08:42] <sobersabre> thanks.
[08:42] <horse_play> how many hours till i can download natty?
 what are you trying to do?
[08:42] <soreau> smw: I don't think vga=xxx is supported with kms
[08:42] <K_45> horse_play - by tomorrow
[08:42] <smw> horse_play, "Ubuntu 11.04 release is scheduled somewhere in the time period when it's April 28th somewhere in the world, not at a specific time."
[08:42] <dArKd3ViL> #ubuntu-release-party
[08:42] <sobersabre> vibhav: to get to a resolution I want in the console.
[08:42] <horse_play> K_45, but its the 28th already?
[08:43] <soreau> smw: You use video=1280x1024@60
 Ohh , thats easy
[08:43] <smw> soreau, um, it has always worked for me...
[08:43] <sobersabre> smw: are you on grub2 ?
[08:43] <soreau> smw: worksforme doesn't hold much weight
[08:43] <smw> horse_play, read my quote
[08:43] <K_45> horse_play - timezone differences and the serves need to be updated
 Install Startup Manager from UBuntu Software Center
 Install Startup Manager from UBuntu Software Center
[08:44] <EbanSoul> Is Unity still going to be the default for 11.04 or have they moved to KDE ?
[08:44] <smw> sobersabre, yes
[08:44] <sobersabre> soreau: preferences->monitors doesn't hold in console :)
[08:44] <proq> what is unity?
 no they are using Unity
[08:44] <soreau> sobersabre: Right, I misunderstood you in the first place
[08:44] <sobersabre> proq: in what context.
[08:44] <horse_play> smw, K_45 ok thanks
[08:44] <smw> soreau, yours looked better anyways
[08:44] <smw> soreau, much better than a random 3 digit number
[08:44] <proq> sobersabre: you don't see the context?
[08:44] <soreau> sobersabre: Basically what you're seeing is when the intel module is loaded with kms
[08:45] <proq> sobersabre: <EbanSoul> Is Unity still going to be the default for 11.04 or have they moved to KDE?
[08:45] <smw> proq, lmao
[08:45] <vibhav> proq : Unity is a shell interface for the GNOME desktop environment developed by Canonical Ltd for its Ubuntu operating system
[08:45] <DirtyDawg> i heard that X is to be replaced by Wayland, is that right?
[08:45] <soreau> sobersabre: For example you would use something like this as a kernel param: video=VGA-1:800x600
[08:45] <K_45> @ DirtyDawg, eventually
[08:45] <DirtyDawg> :o
[08:45] <proq> vibhav: a shell interface - do you mean a terminal emulator?
[08:45] <smw> DirtyDawg, one day. X must die
[08:46] <DirtyDawg> :(
[08:46] <soreau> sobersabre: But the name VGA-1 may be different
[08:46] <sobersabre> proq: unity is a new (I'm not sure which:) desktop or windows manager.
 You can use Startup Manger to Change your resolution?
[08:46] <K_45> @ smv - legacy needs to go
[08:46] <vibhav> proq : its not a terminal emulator
[08:46] <sobersabre> soreau: I don't know where does VGA-1 come from.
 I know an easier method to do that
[08:47] <sobersabre> vibhav: to do what ?
 To change the resolution
[08:47] <sobersabre> and what do you mean "easier" it is easy anyway: edit a text file, and run update-grub.
 there is a progrma for that too
[08:47] <sobersabre> vibhav: to change reso of console ?
[08:47] <soreau> sobersabre: I'm trying to find it now..
[08:47] <sobersabre> soreau: hint would be nice :)
 there is a progrmam for that too (to change resolution of grub)
[08:48] <sobersabre> I like your eagerness to help. initially I thought you're not listening.
[08:48] <sobersabre> my bad.
[08:48] <josephoenix> Should a VPS install grup? I did apt-get upgrade and it tried to install grub
[08:48] <sobersabre> vibhav: not resolution of GRUB
[08:48] <josephoenix> I didn't think grub was installed before.
[08:48] <sobersabre> of console.
[08:48] <josephoenix> *grub
[08:48] <sobersabre> vibhav: ok ?
  Ok
[08:48] <llutz_> josephoenix: usually no need for a boot-manager on a vps
[08:49] <sobersabre> vibhav: what irc client are you using? (I know I can /whois you, I prefer asking)
 I use Xchat
[08:50] <Zavior> has anyone seen this before? "(initramfs) Can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs) on //filesystem.squashfs"
 refer to http://superuser.com/questions/66428/how-can-i-change-console-shells-resolution-in-ubuntu-9-10
[08:51] <sobersabre> vibhav: what irc client are you using? (I know I can /whois you, I prefer asking)
[08:51] <sobersabre> hell, I got lagged over ssh.
 I use Xchat as my IRC Client
[08:51] <crackguy> how can i reinstall iscsi-initiator-utils package on Citrix XenServer 5.6?
[08:51] <K_45> Zaviour - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1588547
 Why do you ask?
[08:51] <iceroot> crackguy: ask citrix
[08:51] <phoque_uni> so... once 11.04 is out... how do I change back to Gnome 2? ;-)
[08:52] <sobersabre> vibhav: b/c all the people append NICK:, and yours appends <NICK>
[08:52] <K_45> @ phoque_uni - Switch to Debian
[08:52] <DirtyDawg>  i am thinking of using the new Gnome 3
[08:52] <sobersabre> my client colors lines with  NICK:
[08:52] <phoque_uni> K_45, hah
 in the login session chose Ubuntu Classic Session
[08:52] <sobersabre> so I know when somebody is writing to me. on the chan
[08:52] <K_45> @ phoque_uni - nothing like a stable netinst
[08:52] <GReeNtooTH> Could anyone please tell me how to open a port in ubuntu?
[08:52] <llutz_> phoque_uni: learn to use the session-menu from gdm
 ok
[08:52] <phoque_uni> vibhav, ah cool... so they thought of that. thanks
[08:52] <phoque_uni> :-)
 You are welcome
[08:53] <iceroot> GReeNtooTH: just start the program, it will open the port automaticly
[08:53] <sobersabre> vibhav: capisci ?
 sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport (port number) -j ACCEPT
[08:54] <GReeNtooTH> thanx iceroot
[08:54] <elex> hi
[08:54] <GReeNtooTH> and vibhav
 what do you mean by "capisci"
[08:54] <DirtyDawg> it means "understand" i think
 what do you mean by "capisci"
[08:55] <proq> phoque_uni: you would apt-get install it I suppose
[08:55] <proq> phoque_uni: just a wild guess
[08:55] <damno> i cant set eth1 as default for ntop
[08:57] <damiano> hello
[08:57] <damno> damiano: hi
[08:57] <damiano> hi damno
[08:57] <damiano> i have a strange problem...
[08:57] <EbanSoul> #ubuntu-us-ky
[08:57] <damno> damiano: tell
[08:58] <damiano> i'm tring to stop php-fpm with /etc/init.d/php5-fpm stop
[08:58] <Barbarabush> [08:58] <damiano> but i always see the processes doing ps aux
[08:58] <damiano> could someone help me?
[08:59] <soreau> sobersabre: I cant seem to find it right now but you have to cat something in /proc IIRC..
[09:00] <kichawa> how about new ubuntu release ?
[09:01] <jiltdil> i by mistake removed my menu pannel , how to get it back
[09:01] <starlatch> Anyone know if we can upgrade from 10.04 to 11.04?
[09:02] <kichawa> starlatch: you can do that
[09:03] <starlatch> kichawa: Thanks. I am assuming it does not involve going through 10.10 first.
[09:03] <getex> hi
[09:03] <getex> anybody from argentina
[09:03] <getex> ?
[09:03] <DirtyDawg> jiltdil: have you tried to right click and add it back
[09:04] <DirtyDawg> "add to panel"
[09:04] <DirtyDawg> menu / main menu
[09:04] <jiltdil> DirtyDawg:right clicking is not giving option for it
[09:04] <RKyle> is it possible to change the owner of a file in /var/www/ for non-admin users to access? I tried sudo chown username -R path but that didn't work
[09:07] <phoque_uni> RKyle, what file, what user and what did that command yield?
[09:07] <jiltdil> DirtyDawg:hi this worked firdtly i think it will not going to work but it worked gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
[09:08] <RKyle> phoque_uni, I had a directory in /var/www/ I was trying to give access to a non-admin user and the command displayed nothing like it worked
[09:09] <herc_> hi
[09:09] <herc_> when is the ubuntu 11.04 becomeing available for download?
[09:09] <llutz_> herc_: when its done
[09:10] <guest345345> gimme gimme gimme
[09:10]  * ugisozols gives
[09:10] <herc_> llutz_: wasn't it suposed do be done today?
[09:11] <llutz_> herc_: yes, "today" still lasts a few hours
[09:11] <guest345345> Yeah...there are still 15 hours left "today"
[09:11] <Zavior> this error is kicking my butt, cannot install ubuntu :(
[09:11] <herc_> do you know when will it be done?
[09:11] <DarkEra> it will be released somewhere today, be patient
[09:11] <celthunder> Zavior: what's the error
[09:11] <amphibgiraffe> Depends on your timezone.
[09:11] <Zavior> celthunder: (initramfs) Can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs) on //filesystem.squashfs"
[09:11] <herc_> CET
[09:11] <guest345345> Last release was quite early in the day
[09:12] <guest345345> if your close to UTC that is
[09:12] <ManDay> lol
[09:12] <ManDay> my cristal ball told me what to expect in #ubuntu
[09:12] <ManDay> it seems it was right
[09:13] <guest345345> You don't need a crystal ball to expect abounding inpatience
[09:13] <herc_> when can I expect it?
[09:13] <celthunder> herc_: within the next 23 hours
[09:13] <llutz_> ManDay: same thing twice a year
[09:13] <herc_> celthunder: thank you very much
[09:13] <vadviktor> :) so true :)
[09:13] <herc_> (:
[09:13] <ManDay> llutz_: wanan make a bet how long the server holds out?
[09:13] <guest345345> probably more like within the next 10 hours to be honest
[09:13] <Alexan> Hi all
[09:13] <herc_> about 15 minutes
[09:14] <guest345345> probably less
[09:14] <ManDay> 5 minutes
[09:14] <ManDay> thats the time it takes for the word to spread
[09:14] <vadviktor> I'm a bit impatient too, because tonight I have to install a Ubuntu on a friend's netbook to replace 9.10 and I really hope it will be 11.04 :)
[09:15] <DamienCassou> vadviktor: I would install latest daily if I were you
[09:15] <amphibgiraffe> vadviktor: I'm using the beta, seems to work fine
[09:16] <DamienCassou> vadviktor: because latest daily is probably very close (or even similar) to the next release
[09:16] <ManDay> DamienCassou: latest daily, thats new to me, too - what is that?
[09:16] <DamienCassou> ManDay: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/?C=N;O=A
[09:16] <guest345345> just the daily build on CD
[09:16] <vadviktor> it'll be that one and upgraded as needed if the images won't come out untill then :)
[09:16] <mick_laptop> anyone know how to tell casper to start an app on start?
[09:16] <ManDay> from vcs ?
[09:16] <JR0cket1> There havent been many updates in the last 24 hours - only the timezone package - so I guess I am now running 11.04
[09:16] <DamienCassou> ManDay: latest daily are iso files that are created every day
[09:16] <ManDay> DamienCassou: from vcs?
[09:16] <mick_laptop> i tried a few things like an entry in .xsessionrc in /etc/skel
[09:16] <guest345345> Yeah from VCS
[09:17] <mick_laptop> so far nothing :(
[09:17] <DamienCassou> ManDay: what is VCS ?
[09:17] <ManDay> something like svn cvs or git
[09:17] <guest345345> Im assuming he means Version Control
[09:17] <ManDay> versioning control
[09:17] <guest345345> all packaged are managed by LP/BZR
[09:17] <vadviktor> Version Control System
[09:17] <guest345345> so yes...its from VCS
[09:17] <ManDay> ah well bzr
[09:17] <ManDay> i forgot :P
[09:17] <MaRk-I> mick_laptop: System > Preferences > Startup Applications
[09:17] <DamienCassou> guest345345: that was also my guess, but didn't find the link
[09:19] <guest345345> How many people are using Emapthy for IRC here?
[09:19] <Manohar> Hello
[09:19] <celthunder> guest345345: hopefully 0
[09:19] <guest345345> lol
[09:19] <mick_laptop> MaRk-I: i'm working on a remixed cd
[09:19] <guest345345> well I am
[09:19] <Manohar> do someone know how to get 11.04 final release?
[09:19] <guest345345> It sucks but I loe the integration
[09:19] <Zavior> Guess I'll give this minimal CD install a shot
[09:19] <Nelval> Hi
[09:19] <guest345345> love*
[09:19] <dreinull_> wheres the place to look for the release?
[09:19] <mick_laptop> so i'm dealing w/ casper directly
[09:19] <MaRk-I> mick_laptop: ah no idea then
[09:20] <guest345345> Anyone know how to hack Empathy to support SASL auth?
[09:20] <vibhav> I hate Samoa!
[09:20] <amphibgiraffe> Manohar: Wait.
[09:21]  * kichawa are waiting
[09:21]  * vibhav is waiting
[09:21]  * vibhav is waiting LIKE MAD!!
[09:22] <Manohar> I found this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[09:22] <newbie28> anyone know anything about getting wifi to work on 10.10
[09:22] <GReeNtooTH> Will these commands get me a facebook password?
[09:22] <DamienCassou> Manohar: this is what I would use
[09:22] <celthunder> newbie28: what's your wifi chipset
[09:22] <GReeNtooTH> echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[09:22] <Manohar> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[09:22] <Manohar> is it the final release?
[09:22] <vibhav> Is the Oversized CD Bug fixed????
[09:23] <soreau> sobersabre: Ok I found it
[09:23] <cgq> it's the first i use ubuntu
[09:23] <vibhav> Manohar : No its the daily build
[09:23] <GReeNtooTH> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i wlan0 -p tcp --dport 8080 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080
[09:23] <pidh> i ubuntu in a virtual box - VBoxGuestAdditions is installed but still the max resolution i can select is 800x600
[09:23] <mick_laptop> what does "source" do? (no manpage), I know it doesn't execute a file... but something like that?
[09:23] <JR0cket1> @vibhav - installing from a USB stick is much faster than CD..
[09:23] <vibhav> @JE0cket1 I know
[09:23] <pidh> any suggestiongs how to increase it?
[09:23] <DamienCassou> mick_laptop: help source
[09:23] <amphibgiraffe> mick_laptop: In bash?
[09:23] <GReeNtooTH> arpspoof -i wlan0 -t (Vic IP) (DG)
[09:23] <Manohar> what's the difference? when will the final be released?
[09:24] <GReeNtooTH> ettercap -TqM ARP:REMOTE // // -i wlan0
[09:24] <soreau> sobersabre: ls /sys/class/drm/ and use these to make a kernel line video=VGA-1:1024x768 for example
[09:24] <GReeNtooTH> sslstrip -a -l 8080
[09:24] <cgq> i can't hear vioce.anybody help me please
[09:24] <andeeeuk> Manohar: the final release is out today
[09:24] <GReeNtooTH> urlsnarf -i wlan0 |cut -d\" -f4
[09:24] <Incarus6> pidh, interesting, but i think it isnt related with vboxguestadditions. can you poste your Xorg.0.log client file
[09:25] <andeeeuk> Manohar: though on the website it is still seen as in development
[09:25] <llutz_> GReeNtooTH: take it to #1338-hackers please, its offtopic here
[09:25] <pdg1> GReeNtooTH : why don't you use something like pastebin
[09:25] <pdg1> that 2
[09:25] <GReeNtooTH> ok llutz is it on here
[09:26] <newbie28> celthunder : chip set = AR9285
[09:26] <key213> so the new ubu comes out ..?
[09:26] <guest345345> everyone needs to put their epeen back in the trouders now
[09:26] <Manohar> andeeeuk: do you know where to find the final relesae?
[09:26] <guest345345> trousers(/pants)*
[09:26] <alexander__> Help! No Ubuntu 11.04 final
[09:26] <alexander__> waiting it for 2 months
[09:26] <guest345345> Solution: WAIT!
 IF you are Indian , it will be there by evening.....
[09:26] <MACscr> anyone know how to upgrade chromium on ubuntu 10.10 to chromium 11? I would think there would be a ppa for this and im not sure why the current ppa hasnt been upgraded yet
[09:26] <celthunder> newbie28: ok
[09:27] <guest345345> Canonical HQ is GMT+1 now
[09:27] <vadviktor> Anyone can confirm that the basic 11.04 will be good for a Asus eeepc?
[09:27] <guest345345> they have barely woken up yet
[09:27] <Manohar> I'm indian but live in switzerland
[09:27] <Incarus6> alexander__, mention, that ubuntu will be released during the day
[09:27] <andeeeuk> Manohar: I am not sure as the website says it is still in development so i think we will need to wait until they have uploaded the new 11.04
[09:27] <celthunder> newbie28: ath9k module should work fine
[09:27] <guest345345> vadviktor, yes....it will be amazing
[09:27] <Incarus6> andeeeuk, correct, will be released today
[09:27] <Manohar> yep, the only solution is to wait then..
[09:27] <newbie28> celthunder: i keep getting "bad password"
[09:28] <amphibgiraffe> vadviktor: They've merged netbook remix and desktop, so one assumes so
 If you are in hurry, the exact same packages are already available in the Stable Channel PPA as usual, for Hardy, Karmic, Lucid, Maverick and Natty. You can safely subscribe to this PPA and later receive the official builds with your regular system upgrades.
[09:28] <mah454> when ubuntu out new version ?
[09:28] <Pr070cal> whens natty released ?
[09:28] <mah454> when ubuntu out new version ?
[09:28] <pidh> Incarus6: http://pastie.org/1842573 - is it the right log
[09:28] <celthunder> newbie28: ? so type in the right one
[09:28] <MACscr> vibhav: stable channel ppa?
[09:28] <newbie28> celthunder: lol it is the right one
[09:28] <guest345345> ATTENTION INPATIENT PEOPLE: The time at Canonical HQ is now 9:28.......give them chance to wake up and get to the office before you complain or ask where 11.04 is!!
[09:29] <andeeeuk> Incarus6, thanks just wanted to make sure as I was going to update this morning though we will have to wait some time for the release
[09:29] <vadviktor> amphibgiraffe, guest345345: thanks! :)
[09:29] <alexander__> Incarus6: When? I'm located in Italy (10:29 AM)
[09:29] <Incarus6> MACscr, chromium in the repos is a modified version of the original google sources. better wait for updates from ubuntu, they modified some privacy things
[09:29] <newbie28> celthunder: im using Wicd network mang.
[09:29] <celthunder> newbie28: did you pick the right network security type
[09:29] <guest345345> Incarus6: where have you read that?
[09:30] <guest345345> Incarus6: is that just hearsay or does it have some basis?
[09:30] <newbie28> celthunder: yup and have triple checked on both ends
[09:30] <Rehan> hi guys, i had a question. I'm running 10.10 right now and am wondering if there's any difference in system stability whether I install 11.04 brand new or just do an upgrade
[09:30] <newbie28> celthunder: i tried changing to a new password as well still did the same thing
[09:30] <guest345345> Technically you can dist-upgrade but it's usually better and cleaner to fresh install
[09:30] <guest345345> @Rehan
[09:31] <Aleksander> Hello :) How much time is it till the 11.04?
[09:31] <guest345345> A few hours
[09:31] <Incarus6> alexander__, usually I (from Germany) can upgrade around afternoon
[09:31] <celthunder> newbie28: do you have wpa_supplicant installed (you should but...never hurts to double check)
[09:31] <vadviktor> If I use the update manager as "update-manager -d" I can upgrade to 11.04. Is this correct? Should I continue as it is the stable one?
[09:31] <MACscr> Incarus6: but isnt 11 the current stable release?
[09:31] <Aleksander> thanks
[09:31] <guest345345> vadviktor: yes...that's right....but not yet
[09:31] <alexander__> Incarus6: I want clean install
[09:31] <Incarus6> guest345345, it is mentioned in the user guide
[09:31] <Rehan> guest345345: thanks...is there a way to backup the current system i have?
[09:31] <guest345345> vadviktor: or you can do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:32] <newbie28> celthunder:  yup its there
[09:32] <vadviktor> guest345345: what do you been by not yet? :)
[09:32] <guest345345> Rehan: What do you need to back-up?
[09:32] <llutz_> guest345345: that won't change the version unless you changed your sources.list(s)
[09:32] <Incarus6> MACscr, it is, but usually you do not get the never version of a software, you get security updates (its like FF4, which wasnt released in 10.10)
[09:32] <Nelval> it seems that today it is the 28th of April 2011
[09:32] <guest345345> Rehan: personally, I have a script for configuting every new system in Install automatically
[09:32] <Rehan> guest345345: i don't know, i was wondering if there's a way i could just make a snapshot of my current system in case the new version doesn't work for me
[09:33] <Incarus6> alexander__, same, they are going to upload it around that time
[09:33] <guest345345> Rehan: You can just copy your /home directory but it's not very clean
[09:33] <MACscr> Incarus6: what is this, Centos? =P
[09:33] <guest345345> Rehan: I see no reason why it wouldn't work.....I've been testing since alpha and it's very stable now
[09:33] <Incarus6> MACsrc, we are both talking about ubuntu, right?
[09:33] <MACscr> Incarus6: yes, i was making a joke about updates
[09:34] <JR0cket1> Rehan: try it out using the Live image first and see if you like it and it all works...
[09:34] <Rehan> guest345345: well 10.10 is considered stable but it was a pain in the ass to get working properly on my sony laptop
[09:34] <vadviktor> guest345345: I see now, it is still the beta as stated in it's note
[09:34] <guest345345> Rehan: yeah, what JR0cket1 said
[09:34] <Incarus6> MACsrc, im not sure if chromium 11 will be released in 11.04
[09:34] <Rehan> JR0cket1: the liveCD doesn't work well for me, the 10.10 liveCD made it seem as if ubuntu wouldn't run on my machine at all
[09:34] <newbie28> celthunder:  any ideas on how to fix it?
[09:35] <elzoog> Any idea how many hours we have until they release 11.04?
[09:35] <guest345345> Rehan: that is probably because of restricted drivers....you can still install them and try to in the Live environment
[09:35] <smw> elzoog, "Ubuntu 11.04 release is scheduled somewhere in the time period when it's April 28th somewhere in the world, not at a specific time."
[09:35] <guest345345> Rehan: and 11.04 has improved a fair bit on the drivers front
[09:35] <Rehan> JR0cket1, guest345345: i had to change video, network and other drivers just to get it to work. I didn't know it was possible to install drivers with a LiveCD?
[09:35] <elzoog> Well, where I am located, it's 5:35 in the afternoon on the 28th
[09:36] <Incarus6> pidh, it could have something to do with your vbox settings
[09:36] <vadviktor> Another Asus eepc question: which architecture image should I get, the x86 or the x64 one?
[09:36] <guest345345> elzoog: Unluck....because the work day has barely started at Canonical HQ
[09:36] <guest345345> Unlucky*
[09:36] <popey> vadviktor: depends which eee pc
[09:36] <Rehan> elzoog: what time zone are you in
[09:36] <msb___> i am going to install the daily built (26 April). cannot see them adding too much more release
[09:36] <matto1990> anyone know what ATI video support is like in natty?
[09:36] <elzoog> I live in Korea
[09:36] <Nelval> elzoog, aw
[09:36] <andeeeuk> yay, its finally been released on the website :)
[09:36] <guest345345> vadviktor: if you're on an atom....x86
[09:36] <JR0cket1> Rehan: If you need to add a lot of packages, install Ubuntu onto a usb stick rather than your hard drive and then you can install what you want without issue
[09:36] <Incarus6> pidh, did you modify your xorg.conf file?
[09:36] <Nelval> 10:36 AM in France, it's so long
[09:37] <Rehan> elzoog: GMT+ ?
[09:37] <andeeeuk> good stuff:)
[09:37] <Rehan> anyone know what time GMT the new version is coming out?
[09:37] <guest345345> http://www.ubuntu.com/
[09:37] <Incarus6> andeeeuk, sure?
[09:37] <vadviktor> guest345345: thanks, that is the info I was not aware of
[09:37] <DJones> Rehan: No set time, just anytime in the next 15 hours
[09:37] <asdfppf> yeah, gmt time for ubuntu 11.04 would be nice
[09:37] <Rehan> oh i see, thanks Djones
[09:38] <mavis> 英语不行，别鄙视
[09:38] <elzoog> I made the mistake of installing Ubuntu Studio on my desktop.  It's buggy.  But I am waiting for 11.04 instead of installing the normal 10.10
[09:38] <Incarus6> !ch | mavis
[09:38] <Incarus6> damn
[09:38] <JR0cket1> Rehan: a good 4 GB Usb memory still will run Ubuntu 11.04 well for testing your hardware and save you over-writing you current system
[09:38] <pidh> Incarus6: i enabled the 3d capabilities will disable them, and i did try to add a new video mode before installing the guest addon and because of that it may look different
[09:39] <guest345345> You can just dual boot to try it if you are worried a LiveUSB will skew the experience too much
[09:39] <Rehan> JR0cket1: oh ok, thats a good idea. I tried creating a bootable usb for 10.10 but kept getting "boot error' on startup
[09:39] <guest345345> and then overwrite both when you're ready to upgrade for real
[09:39] <andeeeuk> no, not yet. If it is not released yet we will wait and waiting is a good thing isnt it so we know it is all good
[09:39] <mavis> learn
[09:39] <elzoog> JR0cket1:  I have 11.04 on one of my sticks.  If I install stuff on it, and then install it on my HD, will it also install the added software?
[09:39] <newbie28> anyone know how to get wifi working on 10.10 i keep getting "bad password" im using Wicd Manager
[09:40] <Incarus6> pidh, did you correctly set your corg.conf file?
[09:40] <soreau> newbie28: What wifi chip is it?
[09:40] <newbie28> soreau : chip set = AR9285
[09:40] <soreau> newbie28: What encryption type?
[09:40] <guest345345> fire up "jockey-gtk" and see if it's offering any resitrcted drivers
[09:40] <Incarus6> MACsrc, https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/stable
[09:40] <newbie28> soreau : wpa
[09:41] <soreau> newbie28: Is there any reason you arent using nm-applet?
[09:41] <newbie28> soreau : dno what that is im new to this
[09:41] <soreau> newbie28: Which version of ubuntu?
[09:41] <newbie28> soreau : 10.10
[09:41] <matto1990> time of release is after noon GMT+1 according to a canonical employee: http://bettween.com/matto1990/yaili
[09:42] <soreau> newbie28: nm-applet is the default network management applet that appears in gnome-panel
[09:42] <guest345345> matto1990: yeah that sounds about same as last time
[09:42] <Rehan> could someone explain to a complete newbie like me whether I should use ubuntu or kubuntu? I don't get the difference really...
[09:42] <guest345345> just after they eat lunch lol
[09:42] <alexander__> Incarus6: Thanks!
[09:42] <guest345345> Rehan: Use Ubuntu
[09:43] <newbie28> soreau : ohh ya i started with that and it wouldnt even connect to the network so ive googled it and did some whole thing that got me to the "Wicd" but now it says "bad password" each time
[09:43] <jatt> use kubuntu
[09:43] <soreau> Rehan: ubuntu has gnome by default and kubuntu has kde by default
[09:43] <guest345345> Rehan: Kubuntu is horrifically ugly
[09:43] <egolost> how do i add an custom installed (not using apitiude) application to unity sidebar?
[09:43] <jatt> at least it doesn't run unity per default
[09:43] <velcroshooz> Rehan, personal preference. ubuntu uses the gnome desktop enviroment by default, kubuntu uses KDE.
[09:43] <jatt> xubuntu
[09:43] <Incarus6> Rehan, Kubuntu is unbuntu with the more like windows looking KDE desktop. Ubuntu uses gnome
[09:43] <pidh> Incarus6: there is no corg.conf in /etc/X11
[09:43] <soreau> Rehan: The official ubuntu distro uses gnome, if that tells you anything..
[09:44] <j0shdrunk0nwar> Rehan: try both with live cd
[09:44] <sobersabre> vib	when you write - I need to hunt your messages /window list
[09:44] <Incarus6> pidh, I know, you have to create one
[09:44] <Zavior> yay I think I'm getting Ubuntu to finally install :) !
[09:44] <guest345345> Yeah...KDE stack is built on better technology......but it's naming conventions are annoying and it's full of BLOAT
[09:44] <JR0cket1> elzoog: If you install Ubuntu on a Usb stick, then it wont have the installer packages - you could add them, but I personally would do a reinstall and perhaps grab the package list off the usb stick and take a copy of everything in /etc
[09:44] <stefan__1> egolost: Start Application --> right click and select, that the application always show up
[09:44] <Zahrada> At least till the release of 11.04 later this day, it uses gnome :P
[09:44] <Zavior> Anyone know the version of python that comes with Ubuntu, or actually...if python does come included?
[09:44] <egolost> stefan__1: but how do i get my application to show up in start applications?
[09:45] <newbie28> soreau : should i switch back?? if so how the heck do i do that lol
[09:45] <Zavior> 10.10
[09:45] <guest345345> Zavior: 2.7
[09:45] <Zavior> thanks
[09:45] <soreau> newbie28: I guess you would have to undo whatever you did to switch in the first place
[09:45] <stefan__1> egolost: You mean at the unity applications menu?
[09:45] <Rehan> if I didn't create a swap partition when i installed 10.10 (i have two partitions on the laptop drive but one is for win7), does that mean I can't hibernate the system?
[09:45] <guest345345> Zavior: np
[09:45] <egolost> stefan__1: YES
[09:45] <Bilz> hello, im trying to follow this to set up vnc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC#Guide%20to%20example%20scenarios and I'm currently on a windows machine using putty. I have sshed to my home computer but I don't know how to get the public key which I apparently need to add to a file
[09:45] <stefan__1> echolost: alternativly try to start the app over a terminal
[09:45] <velcroshooz> Rehan, yes.
[09:46] <Rehan> velcroshooz: oh i see. I should still be able to suspend though right?
[09:46] <guest345345> Zavior: actually I just checked....11.04 is running 2.7.1
[09:46] <pidh> Incarus6: any pointer to a guide how to create it - i am new to linux and have no coding skills.
[09:46] <stefan__1> egolost: otherwise you can start the menu ?reorganization? with a command, which I actually don't know --> if you need the app in the unity menu
[09:47] <tomtit> morning all
[09:47] <kichawa> \o
[09:47] <velcroshooz> Rehan, as i understand it, i believe so. hibernate is going to require a swap partition equal to or possible a bit more than your ram size.
[09:48] <Rehan> velcroshooz: ok cool
[09:48] <guest345345> velcroshooz: that's not necessarily true....it only needs to be as big as resident memory...not total memory
[09:48] <mavis> anybody here?
[09:48] <guest345345> or the average you generally use anyway
[09:48] <Rehan> trying to figure out why no matter what i try my laptop won't suspend/standby. Well actually it will suspend but when i try to turn it back on it boots up just like a cold boot
[09:49] <guest345345> Rehan: a default install allocates 1:1 memory:swap
[09:49] <guest345345> so unless you used custom partitions it should be enough
[09:49] <guest345345> or unless you added more memory since
[09:49] <Rehan> guest345345: i already had a 10gb partition made for ubuntu and i just installed ubuntu onto that.
[09:50] <arnauddebordeaux> clear
[09:50] <guest345345> oh...well that is not default then
[09:50] <Zavior> any down sides to encrypting the home directory?
[09:50] <arnauddebordeaux> hello all!
[09:50] <velcroshooz> guest345345, as your use can fluctuate though i think most tutorials suggest a size equal to your ram to be on the safe side.
[09:50] <arnauddebordeaux> need emergecny help!
[09:50] <guest345345> velcroshooz: yeah....that is optimal if you plan to hibernate
[09:50] <green_> when is the new release scheduled to happen?
[09:50] <guest345345> velcroshooz: but not strictly required most of the time
[09:50] <mythri> I need help. Using Ubuntu 10.10. I have recovered my files through Windows and have only retrieved a single file Root.disk. Can anyone help?
[09:51] <guest345345> tutorials are generally aimed at people who prefer not to think much
[09:51] <soreau> arnauddebordeaux: Dial 911 or whatever the emergency hotline is in your country
[09:51] <mavis> beiju
[09:51] <arnauddebordeaux> sorry, soreau?
[09:51] <guest345345> and the easiest way to encapsulate anyone is to just play safe
[09:51] <guest345345> everyone*
[09:51] <Incarus6> pidh, sry, I was afk. try to change resolution with "xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768" or similar https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[09:51] <Macer> uhm
[09:51] <Rehan> is making a win7 partition smaller to create space for a new partition (for ubuntu swap) considered a workaround or is it as good as setting up a partition on a clean drive from scratch?
[09:51] <arnauddebordeaux> i've tried all i know
[09:51] <mavis> jiu
[09:52] <guest345345> Rehan: do you really need Win7 for something?
[09:52] <jatt> games
[09:52] <arnauddebordeaux> does anyone konw how to use the grub rescue?
[09:52] <Rehan> guest345345: yeah its way more reliable than ubuntu
[09:52] <Macer> arnauddebordeaux: might help if you said what the problem was
[09:52] <Incarus6> Rehan, Is it as good as from a clean drive
[09:52] <mavis> jiu meiyou huishuo zhongwen de ren zai ?
[09:52] <soreau> ! grub2 | arnauddebordeaux
[09:52] <guest345345> Rehan: 10GB is more than enough for an average ubuntu install but it may not give it enough room to allocate the recommended swap partition
[09:52] <guest345345> Rehan: and that may be your problem
[09:52] <Rehan> guest345345: i see, thank you
[09:53] <mythri> I need help. Using Ubuntu 10.10. I have recovered my files through Windows and have only retrieved a single file Root.disk. Can anyone help?
[09:53] <Rehan> guest345345: when you say "allocate the recommended swap partition" do you mean a third partition? I have a 500 GB drive and made a 490 GB NTFS win7 partition and a 10 GB ext4 ubuntu partition. Can the swap file be put on that same 10gb ext4 partition?
[09:53] <walent> hello
[09:54] <arnauddebordeaux> but there is no tuto for how to use this grub rescue, and I don't have any other solution...
[09:54] <arnauddebordeaux> so
[09:54] <arnauddebordeaux> my problem
[09:54] <walent> what is name of ubuntu release party?
[09:54] <nick-nack> 11.04 available for download yet?
[09:54] <walent> channel
[09:54] <guest345345> Rehan: yes...swap must be seperate......the installer allocates it automatically
[09:54] <shomon> is there a curses alternative to diffusion? it just had my load average up really high... no idea what it was doing
[09:54] <Incarus6> nick-nack, No
[09:54] <mavis> haishi jiang zhongwen ba
[09:54] <Marco1> how long till 11.04 realease?
[09:54] <arnauddebordeaux> i have a computer whose CD reader doesn't work
[09:54] <guest345345> Rehan: for a defualt full-disk install it will generally be 1:1 with your memory
[09:54] <walent> is there ubuntu release pary?
[09:54] <mythri> Is root.disk enough for recovering all my documents from ubuntu 10.10?
[09:54] <Zavior> floodbot lol?
[09:54] <guest345345> Rehan: but if you only give it 10GB disk to work with...maybe it will allocate less
[09:54] <Incarus6> Marco1, It will be released in the next hours. There is no exact release time
[09:55] <mythri> Is root.disk enough for recovering all my documents from ubuntu 10.10?
[09:55] <guest345345> Rehan: I'm not sure exactly because I usually do custom and allocate swap myself
[09:55] <Rehan> guest345345: will it create a new partition automatically? sorry i'm being unclear about it, trying to understand
[09:55] <botcity> !party
[09:55] <Rehan> guest345345: oh ok
[09:55] <walent> join
[09:55] <guest345345> Rehan: yes, any install will allocate swap by default
[09:55] <mythri> Is root.disk enough for recovering all my documents from ubuntu 10.10?
[09:55] <guest345345> Rehan: the simple/default install will hide it from you but it will do it nonetheless
[09:55] <cfc_{Pawpad}> hello =3
[09:56] <Rehan> guest345345: oh ok
[09:56] <guest345345> Rehan: Windows and Mac to exactly the same too
[09:56] <guest345345> do*
[09:57] <Rehan> guest345345: oh ok. when i do fdisk -l i see an NTFS partition then an Extended and a third Linux one
[09:57] <cfc_{Pawpad}> anyone know if theres gonna be a release of Ubuntu server 11.04 anytime soon?
[09:57] <mythri> Is root.disk enough for recovering all my documents from ubuntu 10.10?
[09:57] <guest345345> Rehan: actually...perhaps Windows 7 only uses a "pagefile" by default....but it's recommended to have a seperate parition for Win7 just the same
[09:57] <Incarus6> cfc_{Pawpad}, it will be released today
[09:58] <cfc_{Pawpad}> cool
[09:58] <guest345345> Rehan: but Windows sucks of course....so I can understand why they don't follow best practices by default
[09:58] <Incarus6> mythri, can you explain what you exactly did?
[09:58] <cfc_{Pawpad}> cant wait =3
[09:58] <Macer> and i just finished installing 10.10 server :) go figure
[09:59] <cfc_{Pawpad}> Thanks
[09:59] <Zavior> Macer: I'm in the same boat :)
[09:59] <Macer> Zavior: upgrading the dist is easy enough
[09:59] <Macer> personally i would rather wait a month or so before i instealled 11.04
[09:59] <Zavior> I'm not to savy on linux :)
[09:59] <mythri> Incarus6, I used disk internals and recovered my root.disk from ubuntu through Windows xp
[09:59] <guest345345> Taking bets on release time.......my money is on 13:15 GMT
[10:00] <Macer> let them iron out theones they missed first :)
[10:00] <mythri> Incarus6, I used disk internals and recovered my root.disk from ubuntu through Windows xp
[10:00] <elzoog> Isn't ironing out the thorns what the beta versions are for?
[10:00] <Macer> but at least all you have to do is change your apt-sources and do a dist update and you're done
[10:00] <guest345345> Macer: I've been testing it for a while now....to be honest...it feels more stable that 10.10 by now
[10:01] <Macer> i just updated my lenny box to squeeze ... was amazingly simple
[10:01] <jatt> 11.04 will deliver beta software (unity) so better wait for a next release (if you use your machine for something productive)
[10:01] <Macer> guest345345: well. i am sure there is something messed up somewhere ;)
[10:01] <Incarus6> mythri, yes, I allready read that
[10:01] <elzoog> mythri:  Knoppix is a great live CD for fixing problems like that
[10:01] <Macer> unity?
[10:01] <guest345345> jatt: beta or not...it's still a huge improvement over gnome panel
[10:01] <mythri> What am I able to do with root.disk?
[10:02] <jatt> it isn't -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/648180
[10:02] <mythri> Can I recover files?
[10:02] <velcroshooz> it is still possible to run without unity so there is no real reason not to upgrade.
[10:02] <mythri> Incarus6, What am I able to do with root.disk?
[10:02] <Macer> i use kubuntu for my desktops ;) if unity has something to do with xorg well.. i honestly only have my ubuntu fileserver
[10:02] <Macer> which is awesome ... sure feels good to no longer be using oi
[10:02] <guest345345> jatt: lol, that bug is just an subjective complaint
[10:02] <guest345345> jatt: can't please everyone
[10:03] <mythri> elzoog, I don't have such a Knoppix cd right now
[10:03] <guest345345> jatt: some people have an irrational aversion to change
[10:03] <jatt> nope the bug comments have a lot of valid points
[10:03] <Incarus6> mythri, I'm not sure about that, I think it recoverd the whole partition
[10:03] <guest345345> jatt: not really....it's all just heckling from the peanut gallery
[10:04] <Macer> http://lwn.net/Articles/387763/
[10:04] <mythri> Incarus6, how can I extract my essential documents from that?
[10:04] <Macer> that's unity?
[10:04] <Macer> looks like gnome with a giant menu on the left :)
[10:04] <mythri> Incarus6, is there anyway I can open root.disk and see the contents?
[10:04] <guest345345> Macer: no.....that's the old netbook edition
[10:04] <Rehan> is unity still kinda unpolished in its look?
[10:04] <Macer> oh
[10:04] <guest345345> Macer: that no longer exists
[10:04] <Incarus6> Macer, looks like gnome3
[10:04] <ChrisWilkinson> Do I install natty on my main pc today? Or do I wait a while?
[10:04] <elzoog> Some people have an irrational aversion to change.  And some people have an irrational fascination with change.  I remember a job interview where I asked them why they wanted to use technology X.  Their answer was the only reason they wanted to use X was because it was new
[10:04] <jatt> it's beta software
[10:04] <Macer> well.. let me look for a different screen shot
[10:05] <Incarus6> MAcer, guest345345: http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4641/gnome3vx2.png
[10:05] <jatt> actually the idea was to include unity in gnome3 but gnome developers were against it, canonical was pissed off about it and decided to put it in his distribution anyway
[10:05] <nmvictor> elzoog: new is bundled with good,new and improved stuff.
[10:06] <guest345345> Macer: that looks just like a mockup from Gnome3
[10:06] <guest345345> but It doesn't look anything like it now
[10:06] <Rehan> Incarus6: wow gnome 3 looks nicer than unity
[10:06] <mythri> Incarus6, is there anyway I can open root.disk and see the contents?
[10:06] <nmvictor> Whats happening, isnt today
[10:06] <Zavior> Should desktop or netbook version be used on laptops?
[10:06] <guest345345> Gnome3 is effing awful
[10:07] <JR0cket1> Unity looks and works much better than Gnome 3 shell...
[10:07] <Rehan> mythri: this might help you: http://ext2read.blogspot.com/
[10:07] <jatt> gnome shell is a disgrace too
[10:07] <Macer> Incarus6: that can not be real haha
[10:07] <jatt> it doesn't look good on the gtk side, hopefully kde and xfce get better
[10:07] <Incarus6> mythri, check out http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb545046 its not an ubuntu related question
[10:07] <guest345345> Unity may have a few flaws to iron out...but it's much faster and more usable thatn gnome3 shell
[10:08] <Macer> heh. sorry but i still believe kde has them all beat ;) but to each their own
[10:08] <Incarus6> Macer, http://www.gnome3.org/
[10:08] <JR0cket1> Zavior: there is no longer a different image for desktop and netbook - hence the name Unity :-)
[10:08] <nmvictor> Whats happening, isnt today 28^th April, or which time zone do canonical guys live in, ubuntu.com still promises Natty downloads from 28^th April, my update manager hasnt noticed any new distro, or am I the one in the wrong timezone?
[10:08] <guest345345> Macer: KDE but with a Unity-like shell would be perfect
[10:08] <guest345345> but KDE can never get usability right
[10:08] <jatt> gnome 3 disgrace -> http://lwn.net/Articles/433409/
[10:08] <guest345345> it's looks like Windows ....but worse
[10:08] <Incarus6> guest345345, I think unity needs open source graphic card drivers
[10:09] <rverrips> Hi Guys - Anyone know the time when 11.04 finalrelease will be available for  download from the website
[10:09] <Zavior> JR0cket1: as of what version
[10:09] <Macer> guest345345: i don't have a problem with kde ;) i think it's great
[10:09] <jatt> windows sucks but you cannot deny they have lots of experience in gui design/usability
[10:09] <JR0cket1> Zavior: as of 11.04
[10:09] <Macer> Incarus6: looks the same except they used a darker theme?
[10:09] <Zavior> Which isn't out yet? I'm on 10.10 :)
[10:09] <tuxx-> who needs fancy gui's, just use awesomewm :D
[10:09] <Rehan> http://www.gnome3.org/img/search-big.png that looks kinda like the unity screenshot
[10:09] <Macer> i was honestly never a big fan of gnome
[10:09] <shomon> anyone know of an alternative to diffusion that doesn't take up so much in system resources?
[10:09] <mythri> Incarus6, the root.disk I have got is from ubuntu.
[10:09] <Macer> i would rather use kde or fluxbox over gnome.. something about it never felt right
[10:09] <guest345345> Incarus6: not sure...I haven't looked into that......I know the Plymouth boot screen needs open source drivers because of Kernel modesetting
[10:10] <mythri> Incarus6, what is that link you gave me last for?
[10:10] <Incarus6> Macer, and the big menu on the left side of the screen
[10:10] <JR0cket1> Zavior: if you are on 10.10 I'd go with the desktop version
[10:10] <nmvictor> Hey guys, please help here. Has natty been released, or what is this talk on gnome3 vs Unity about, Am I behind something?
[10:10] <guest345345> Incarus6: but there is a non OpenGL version of Unity for people who can't use the 3d one
[10:10] <Incarus6> guest345345, plymouth is working for me. yeah I heard about unity 2D
[10:10] <JR0cket1> nmvictor: usual irc chatter, not missing much :-)
[10:10] <guest345345> Incarus6: it's packaged as unity-2d in the archives
[10:10] <Macer> no 3D? :)
[10:11] <Macer> is it 1990? heh
[10:11] <guest345345> Incarus6: written with Qt QML
[10:11] <Incarus6> Macer, E17 / DR17 is great too
[10:11]  * Macer goes to bust out the voodoo2s
[10:11] <nmvictor> JR0cket1: so natty aint released yet, so whats the countdown?
[10:11] <Al_nz1> is there a windows app to format drives to ext4?
[10:11] <Macer> Incarus6: i haven't used enlightenment in a LONG time.. but it was ok.. i didn't like its dock too much and it took too long to tweak.. plus isn't it gtk ? :)
[10:11] <Incarus6> guest345345, I think Im going to test it when Natty is released. But I think its no fun: the 2D version and a Quad-Core computer
[10:12] <Macer> something about most gtk things .. they make me feel like i am using motif
[10:12] <nmvictor> JR0cket1: coz far as I live, today is 28^th april 2011
[10:12] <jatt> windowmaker was sweet too too bad it died
[10:12] <JR0cket1> nmvictor: The release team is in the UK, so I recon around lunchtime, early afternoon UTC+1
[10:12] <Macer> like no matter how much work they do on it gtk always seems to remind of me windows 3.1
[10:12] <jatt> or fvwm in redhat distributions
[10:12] <JR0cket1> nmvictor: thats just a guess... nothing official..
[10:12] <nmvictor> JR0cket1: thats encouraging.
[10:12] <guest345345> Incarus6: as far as I know.....you only need OpenGL support....but I could be wrong
[10:12] <Incarus6> Macer, correct. I dont like e16 that much, but E17 is much better ;)
[10:13] <guest345345> Incarus6: or more specifically open GLES
[10:13] <Rehan> whats plymouth?
[10:13] <Macer> is e17 qt or something?
[10:13] <guest345345> Rehan: the boot screen
[10:13] <Rehan> oh ok
[10:13] <Macer> i'm sure glad kde decided to stick with the qt route. they have done a great job of it
[10:14] <Rehan> yeah i had problems with it because i had to use nvidia drivers instead of nouveau
[10:14] <Incarus6> guest345345, I think its working with the nouveau drivers, the proprietary drivers arent supported: http://askubuntu.com/questions/21427/does-unity-require-proprietary-graphics-card-drivers
[10:14] <Marco1> hey guys, let's make #natty a twitter trending topic!
[10:14] <guest345345> Incarus6: oh...yeah I had heard something to that affect....
[10:14] <guest345345> Incarus6: I only buy Intel graphics anyway
[10:15] <Macer> intel? really?
[10:15] <guest345345> Incarus6: So long as they can handle 1080 video I don't care
[10:15] <nmvictor> Natty will revolutionalize Linux, seemingly it will bring some investors into open source market. The worst news is canonical will go fully business and if we're not lucky, the promise of ubuntu always being free might be broken.
[10:15] <guest345345> Incarus6: I don't game
[10:15] <guest345345> Incarus6: anything more than an Intel HD integrated is overkill for me
[10:15] <Macer> haha.. that is a very fair point
[10:15] <guest345345> Incarus6: Why burn watts if you don't need to ;) ?
[10:15] <Macer> guest345345: get a new artigo ;) it has hdmi out
[10:16] <guest345345> Intel HD cards have HDMI out too
[10:16] <Incarus6> guest345345, yeah, I dont buy special cards, Im using the integrated graphic card
[10:16] <Macer> i am a huge fan of the little boxes
[10:16] <guest345345> and they're ultra low power
[10:16] <Macer> guest345345: yeah but the artigo stuff is half the size of an internal optical drive
[10:16] <Macer> uses the via pico itx stuff
[10:17] <guest345345> Sounds cool....but I'm not picky about graphics really
[10:17] <Macer> i have an older 1GHz one that i use as my local shell box/dns etc
[10:17] <guest345345> just low power and plays video is enough
[10:17] <Macer> heh
[10:17] <Macer> me too... but my fileserver is a beast.. it consumes power and spits it out
[10:17] <Macer> with its 10 hard drives and its 2 opteron 285s
[10:17] <guest345345> The reason I dig Intel is because they have done quite a bit for Open Source....and their own drivers are completely open
[10:18] <nmvictor> Shipit closed down!
[10:18] <Macer> i actually want to upgrade the cpus but it is hard finding faster cpus for socket 940 nowadays
[10:18] <shmoolikipod> to update all I need to type: sudo apt-get dist-update?
[10:18] <Incarus6> Does someone have graphic card / Xorg related issues, here?
[10:18] <citra-indah> guys can you help me
[10:18] <citra-indah> ?
[10:18] <Rehan> why are proprietary drivers not preferred over open source ones?
[10:19] <guest345345> shmoolikipod: yeah...but you need to update the apt cache first
[10:19] <Incarus6> !ask | citra-indah
[10:19] <citra-indah> how can i find the  x11 folder?
[10:19] <mehdi> does sftp through terminal support resume?
[10:19] <shmoolikipod> guest345345, yeah sure :D, thanks :)
[10:19] <DJones> Rehan: Its because they're limited to updates by the manufacturer and can't be modified by the community
[10:19] <nmvictor> shmoolikipod: to upgrade, you meant, update showld translate to `sudo ate-get upgrade
[10:19] <guest345345> Rehan: because proprietary means the manufacturers are solely responsible for progress
[10:19] <guest345345> Rehan: and they couldn't give a sh*t about many platforms
[10:19] <Rehan> ohh i see
[10:19] <guest345345> or improving support on them
[10:20] <Incarus6> Rehan, drivers tells us alot about the hardware, they won't show you how exactly their hardware works
[10:20] <Rehan> i tried the nouveau ones for my laptops nvidia card and kept having problems with it and then after installing the nvidia ones it worked perfectly
[10:20] <shmoolikipod> nmvictor, thanks
[10:20] <Incarus6> 11.04 seems to be out: http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso
[10:20] <guest345345> Intel Graphics are trailing the pack by miles......but their drivers are open....they're by far the best choice for Linux unless you need gaming power
[10:21] <guest345345> But to be fair....gaming on Linux ain't great anyway
[10:21] <Incarus6> nevermind
[10:21] <rverrips> thanks Incarus6
[10:21] <Incarus6> rverrips, nevermind, its the beta
[10:21] <elzoog> Yeah, I don't recommend linux if your primary purpose for using your computer is gaming
[10:22] <andeeeuk> Incarus6 is that actually the final release now?
[10:22] <Incarus6> andeeeuk, no, its from 26. April
[10:22] <guest345345> elzoog: I don't really game anyway...but if I did...I think it makes more sense to have a dedicated machine
[10:22] <Macer> how much power does a fast i7 use maxed out?
[10:22] <Macer> Wattage: 92.6W
[10:22] <Rehan> any way to quickly check from cli which driver i'm actually using (not sure if i uninstalled nouveau, i remember i needed it for plymouth i think)
[10:22] <andeeeuk> Incarus6, lol ok
[10:22] <Macer> that is a 2.8GHz single core athens cpu for my mboard
[10:22] <guest345345> elzoog: No need to beat the shit out of your office machine by playing games on it ;)
[10:23] <Macer> 92W! wow
[10:23] <Incarus6> andeeeuk, just thought it was the final
[10:23] <andeeeuk> Incarus6, yeah its hard waiting sometimes isnt it... lol
[10:24] <rverrips> Thanks for the heads' up andeeeuk - I think it's still the beta Incarus6 - won't the final drop the name natty?
[10:24] <alrra> when is ubuntu 11.04 going to be available to download ? :)
[10:24] <citra-indah> i havei have sis vga on my laptop, and the resolution can't more than 800x600 pixel, so how can i improve my resolution on my ubuntu 10.04?
[10:24] <Incarus6> andeeeuk, come on, I wont to test it -.-
[10:24] <guest345345> All the inpatient fanatics should be running beta if they love it that much
[10:24] <ugisozols> alrra: today
[10:24] <guest345345> Why aren't you inpatient folks testing beta and helping to improve it? ;)
[10:24] <Rehan> guest345345: any way to quickly check from cli which driver I'm actually using (not sure if I uninstalled nouveau, remember needing it for plymouth i think) thanks
[10:24] <Incarus6> guest345345; I agree, but new releases are allways great for me. If it wouldn't be that great for me I would use debian ;)
[10:25] <andeeeuk> Incarus6, lol. I just want to upgrade to get back to work.
[10:25] <vibhav> So guys....
[10:25] <guest345345> Rehan: yeah, as nice as the ideology of open source is......at the moment...the proprietary drivers are a lot better
[10:25] <elzoog> I forgot if someone answered this, but if I put 11.04 on my flash stick, then later install other programs.  Will those other programs get installed if later on I decide to use that stick to install Ubuntu on my hard drive?
[10:26] <alrra> ugisozols: i know that :) but maybe a more precise time ? tnx
[10:26] <dalibor> heey
[10:26] <elzoog> guest345345:  I am all for having the choice to use proprietary drivers.
[10:26] <guest345345> elzoog: It's possible to do...but I remember it being pretty unreliable last time I tried
[10:26] <ugisozols> alrra: that is the most precise time :)
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[10:27] <dalibor> some way to crack WEP i use virtual box  but cant see any wep near by but i have a wirlees connection..
[10:27] <alrra> ugisozols: ok tnx :)
[10:27] <guest345345> Yeah proprietary is fine if that's the way they want it....just important that open source drivers are developed in paralel in case they ever pull support
[10:27] <slips> anyone knows how I avoid that fsck fails during boot if the hwclock is set back in time?
[10:28] <Incarus6> elzoog, you can make an usb stick eprsistent and non-persistent
[10:28] <dalibor> cmon_
[10:28] <vibhav> FloodBot2 sets mode -q #ubuntu vibhav!*@* what does that mean?
[10:28] <dalibor> somone could help me with this_
[10:28] <guest345345> vibhav: it means you made floodbot angry
[10:28] <Incarus6> elzoog, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[10:29] <Rehan> guest345345: thanks for all the help. I had another question. If I made a liveCD to install 11.04 from, boot it up, format the current 10.10 partition and leave the win7 NTFS one alone, will my current GRUB2 dual boot menu be totally borked
[10:29] <guest345345> The persistence seems to work ok for documents etc.
[10:29] <ScottONanski1> Ugh, this wait is killing me
[10:29] <guest345345> but didn't seem to work that great for packages
[10:29] <guest345345> when I tried anyway
[10:29] <lovee__To_hAXK> heeeey
[10:29] <dreinull_> yay, its out
[10:29] <Incarus6> guest345345, it worked great for me the last time i tried it (10.10)
[10:29] <ScottONanski1> It's not out now.
[10:29] <lovee__To_hAXK> whats up?
[10:29] <Rehan> dreinull_: no its not
[10:29] <ScottONanski1> I just looked at the site.
[10:30] <dreinull_> ftp://ftp.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04
[10:30] <guest345345> Incarus6: oh cool.....I might try again then
[10:30] <lovee__To_hAXK> Hey why cant i connect WEP _
[10:30] <lovee__To_hAXK> ?
[10:30] <Rehan> dreinull_: thats the beta
[10:30] <dreinull_> I'm loading the release right now
[10:30] <elzoog> Rehan:  Depends on whether or not your boot partition is seperate from the main 10.10 partition.   If not, then your formatting will overwrite it and your grub2 will be screwed
[10:30] <Incarus6> guest345345, I dont like live usb sticks that much. They seems to be slowlier then live cds.
[10:30] <andeeeuk> does anyone know if it is worth upgrading to 11.04, in terms of stability?
[10:30] <jatt> it's not worth it
[10:30] <dreinull_> Rehan: I'm on ftp
[10:30] <guest345345> Incarus6: I have a script for installing and configuring any new machine I roll out - would be nice to throw the script on the USB and pull packages from the local cache
[10:31] <SixtyFold> no
[10:31] <Incarus6> andeeeuk, it is
[10:31] <SixtyFold> its actually worse for stability
[10:31] <Name141> How would you map out your windows shares?  I mean if you are going to play an MP3 from it with mpg321 ?  Do you use smb://192.../path/file.mp3 ?
[10:31] <jatt> stick with a LTS release
[10:31] <elzoog> Incarus6:  Yeah, but a liveCd doesn't have the option of modifying what's on it usually
[10:31] <Incarus6> elzoog, correct. a persistent usb stick got that option
[10:31] <ScottONanski1> There's only betas in the ftp.
[10:31] <dreinull_> o, the torrent is not yet authorized
[10:31] <lovee__To_hAXK> Why cant i find WEP? I use VB should i maybe change to live CD?
[10:32] <m3t4lukas> hey, when is the release, guys?
[10:32] <jatt> 11.04 will have a lot of bugs better wait until it is polished with patches for a while
[10:32] <andeeeuk> Incarus6 is that actually the final release now?
[10:32] <SixtyFold> its only 5:31am, wow
[10:32] <SixtyFold> hehe
[10:32] <dreinull_> anyway, the torrent is here: ftp://ftp.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[10:32] <lovee__To_hAXK> Somone here use BT?
[10:32] <dreinull_> lovee__To_hAXK: me
[10:32] <Incarus6> dreinull_, its the beta release
[10:32] <m3t4lukas> at my place it is 11:32 am
[10:32] <dreinull_> no, it's not
[10:32] <Name141> or is there some other way to see the windows shares again ? I forgot about ?
[10:32] <dreinull_> look at the date
[10:32] <Rehan> here its 2:32 AM
[10:32] <guest345345> Incarus6: so you are saying.....if I pull some packages to the apt cache on my USB stick......I can install from those packages when I install later?
[10:32] <lovee__To_hAXK> HEEY
[10:32] <m3t4lukas> :P
[10:32] <elzoog> dreinull_:  Yes it is
[10:32] <lovee__To_hAXK> derinull
[10:33] <guest345345> Incarus6: cuz it's been a while since I tried it.....but it never seemed to work before
[10:33] <dreinull_> elzoog: look at the timelog 28.04.11 08:35:00
[10:33] <Incarus6> dreinull_, nut sure about that, it was updated today, so it could be the final release
[10:33] <lovee__To_hAXK> wich one BT4?
[10:33] <matto1990> I have a 64 bit CPU and use 64 bit Windows 7. Is Ubuntu good enough for me to use 64 bit yet?
[10:33] <dreinull_> I checked earlier today and it said beta and April 14
[10:33] <m_fulder> do I need to update ubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 before I can update to 11.04 :S?
[10:33] <ScottONanski1> I feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Ubuntu repositories suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced."
[10:33] <guest345345> matto1990: yes!
[10:33] <dreinull_> m_fulder: guess so
[10:34] <idefix> my num keys don't work anymore, what could be the problem? is my keyboard broken? how can you check that?
[10:34] <vadviktor> dreinull_:  latest beta is april 26 :)
[10:34] <guest345345> matto1990: Assuming your hardware isn't too obscure
[10:34] <archieval> Whats the ETA on Natty Narwhal release?
[10:34] <Marco1> here it is!
[10:34] <Marco1> http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[10:34] <m3t4lukas> matto1990 of course it is
[10:34] <lovee__To_hAXK> Should i change to Ubuntu Is it better than BT4?
[10:34] <jatt> you won't tell the difference between 64bit and 32bit unless you have lots of ram and/or run programs with heavy CPU usage
[10:34] <m_fulder> right, and could something go wrong during an update like that ? (I got a bunch of scripts etc. on my comp which I don't want to loose)
[10:34] <matto1990> will you have a problem with drivers or anything though? I have a year or so old Acer laptop
[10:34] <SixtyFold> are you having trouble with BT4?
[10:35] <guest345345> jatt: Except the fact that using 64-bit floating points means his average memory usage will go up quite a bit
[10:35] <Incarus6> guest345345, you can install packages with apt-get on the live usb stick
[10:35] <m3t4lukas> matto1990 no, with Acer you will have less problems
[10:35] <matto1990> m3t4lukas: less? How so?
[10:36] <guest345345> Incarus6: yeah I know that.....but can you reference those packages for a hard installation later?
[10:36] <m3t4lukas> mott01990 sry *the least
[10:36] <guest345345> Incarus6: like the same as using the CD in sources.list?
[10:36] <m3t4lukas> motto1990 I was looking for the word
[10:36] <guest345345> Incarus6: I know you could dpkg them....but it's kind of a pain
[10:36] <dreinull_> its getting crowded on bt. > 60.
[10:37] <lovee__To_hAXK> heey i have a PROBLEM with BT4
[10:37] <Incarus6> guest345345, uff Im not sure about that. dont you have an easier solution for that?
[10:37] <guest345345> Incarus6: because if you bypass apt...it doesn't log dependencies
[10:37] <matto1990> m3t4lukas: ah ok, so it should work really well. What about ATI GPU? good support for that?
[10:37] <llutz_> !backtrack | lovee__To_hAXK
[10:37] <Rehan> dreinull_: are you getting the final ?
[10:37] <dreinull_> Rehan: yes
[10:37] <Rehan> dreinull_: where from, and how are you sure its not a beta?
[10:38] <dpac> What UTC time does natty gets released?
[10:38] <m3t4lukas> motto1990 ATI, NVIDIA, INTEL, they are all well supported
[10:38] <lovee__To_hAXK> Cant Crack WEP With BT4...
[10:38] <dreinull_> Rehan: why would they label the beta without the beta in its name?
[10:38] <llutz_> lovee__To_hAXK: read what ubottu told you and respect the rules please
[10:38] <elzoog> According to this site  http://releases.ubuntu.com/  the date stamp for 11.04 is 28-Apr-2011 09:11
[10:38] <guest345345> Incarus6: easier, maybe...but not as seemless
[10:38] <matto1990> m3t4lukas: perfect. Thanks for the help. May as well go for 64 bit then :)
[10:39] <guest345345> Incarus6: it should be possible....and it's the most intuitive way to do it
[10:39] <vadviktor> Confirmed: Edubuntu just got it's FINAL torrent dvd out! :)
[10:39] <lovee__To_hAXK>  ..
[10:39] <guest345345> Incarus6: but I guess very few people need that ability
[10:39] <dreinull_> oh, connections are now refused
[10:39] <Incarus6> http://www.kubuntu.org/ changed
[10:41] <guest345345> http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/ still takes me to the beta releases
[10:41] <vadviktor> Confirmed: http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/ has the FINAL images listed! :) Happy downloading!
[10:41] <Incarus6> vadviktor, negative.: it takes me to http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/ubuntu-11.04-beta2-desktop-i386.iso
[10:41] <guest345345> yeah exactly
[10:41] <KNUBBIG> sudo update-manager should download something if I'm on beta2, right?
[10:41] <guest345345> and it even says beta 2 at the top of the page
[10:42] <dpac> vadviktor: Not for me
[10:42] <m3t4lukas> http://ubuntuone.com/p/p5S/ there's a background that looks great with the new Ubuntu Unity look
[10:42] <guest345345> oh...scratch that....effing cache
[10:42] <guest345345> he's right....it's there
[10:42] <vadviktor> Incarus6: check back a few minutes later, I AM downloading the release images right now, with PROPER names
[10:42] <guest345345> just had a stubborn cache
[10:42] <andeeeuk> no its not beta2 anymore
[10:42] <Incarus6> vadviktor, Im upgrading, not downloading images ;)
[10:42] <andeeeuk> it is the final release
[10:42] <dreinull_> I told you guys
[10:43] <Grimdin> i already installed 11.04 ;)
[10:43] <ScottONanski1> http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:43] <andeeeuk> lol
[10:43] <Sagramor> it's released?
[10:43] <dpac> I still see cached version of the page
[10:43] <guest345345> Yeah it's out....they should have set the page cache to expire today
[10:43] <dreinull_> bt is kinda slow :)
[10:43] <guest345345> lol
[10:43] <andeeeuk> is it ok to upgrade from the mamanger now?
[10:43] <guest345345> andeeeuk: yeah
[10:43] <andeeeuk> sweeet
[10:43] <Incarus6> cleared cache, cant confirm that. Its Beta2
[10:43] <dreinull_> more people please: ftp://ftp.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[10:43] <andeeeuk> happy 11.04 everyonr
[10:43] <KNUBBIG> how do I upgrade from beta2 to release?
[10:44] <Syria> is it out yet?
[10:44] <guest345345> Incarus6: yeah I did a shift-F5 in Chrome
[10:44] <dreinull_> Incarus6: use the ftp link
[10:44] <guest345345> has to clear the whole cache
[10:44] <iceroot> KNUBBIG: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrasde
[10:44] <guest345345> not sure why
[10:44] <guest345345> But the image link is the real deal
[10:44] <Incarus6> Still not released in the update manager
[10:44] <KNUBBIG> iceroot, that ownly downloads one package, is that correct?
[10:44] <KNUBBIG> only*
[10:45] <Incarus6> guest345345, Ok, I can confirm that know ;)
[10:45] <loka> ubuntu feels so bloated, i installed efxc over gnome yesterday and dident like it so i did sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop, now i have 2 diffrent terminals! how can i remove the "xubuntu-desktop"s terminal?
[10:45] <iceroot> KNUBBIG: no
[10:45] <KNUBBIG> :(
[10:45] <iceroot> KNUBBIG: its doing what you want
[10:45] <iceroot> KNUBBIG: beta 2 -> final
[10:45] <KNUBBIG> iceroot, okay, thanks
[10:46] <guest345345> loka: that's not bloat...that just you messing up your system
[10:46] <dpac> wget gives me 404 for that link. FTP doesn't show the release files either
[10:46] <matto1990> tracker refusing to accept torrent yet, must wait :P
[10:46] <m3t4lukas> yeah, I updated :)
[10:46] <guest345345> it's generally not smart to be running 2 environments when it's still beta
[10:46] <m3t4lukas> hum, don't looks much different...
[10:46] <kenkam> can't wait for the new ubuntu :)
[10:46] <m3t4lukas> but it don't knows my blender release 1.57...
[10:47] <m3t4lukas> I mean the updater
[10:47] <loka> guest345345 it is pretty messed up yeah lol
[10:48] <guest345345> loka: if you want to try a different environment just for a while...I suggest using virtualbox
[10:48] <guest345345> or a live disk
[10:48] <guest345345> they generally don't play well together
[10:48] <proq> I started an ubuntu install with wubi over win7. it got past download and status said install about two hours ago, now the progress bar is about 60% and hasn't moved in an hour. what should I do?
[10:48] <guest345345> and Linux doesn't babysit core packages like Windows does....they all just packages
[10:48] <guest345345> you can fuck them up pretty easily
[10:49] <Incarus6> proq, wubi sint supported in windows 7, sorry
[10:49] <Incarus6> *isnt
[10:49] <almoxarife> loka: you didn't completely remove the desktop
[10:49] <andeeeuk> it actually still says it is a beta release from the update manager
[10:49] <andeeeuk> damn thing :s
[10:50] <Incarus6> proq, it could be supported yet, I dont know. I had the same problem with wubi. check back if you use the latest wubi release
[10:50] <proq> Incarus6: hrm... that's a lovely thing to find out after a five hour install
[10:50] <k4g6> this is probs said a billion times now. but how long till were pexecting
[10:50] <guest345345> jesus...Windows is still taking 5 hours to install?!
[10:51] <k4g6> expecting**
[10:51] <guest345345> what a pile of bloat lol
[10:51] <m3t4lukas> do a parallel installation
[10:51] <Ruuumb0> Hello
[10:51] <proq> guest345345: no, wubi hit an error and just stopped
[10:51] <guest345345> Ubuntu+kickstart script takes less than 30 minutes for a fullt installed and configured machine here
[10:51] <Incarus6> proq, you could cancel it earlier ;)
[10:51] <almoxarife> proq: wubi install of 10.10?
[10:52] <guest345345> It's tragic that you have to download and install things one by one on a new Windows install
[10:52] <guest345345> even Mac users have homebrew and macports
[10:52] <guest345345> Windows is just awful
[10:52] <Incarus6> proq, the wubi installation should take around 5 minutes
[10:52] <Incarus6> proq, after the download
[10:52] <proq> almoxarife: when I selected netbook from wubi, it started grabbing ubuntu 10.04
[10:53] <Nefertiti> When ubuntu 11.04 will be available for download?
[10:53] <jasonmchristos> the toram option for the live cd should be default because it not only frees up the cd drive for use, playing and burning, when people are testing it also it increases the speed and responsiveness of the OS
[10:53] <andeeeuk> does the update manager still say that it is the beta release when doing an upgrade?
[10:53] <proq> well, maybe tomorrow I can grab wubi netbook 11.04 and try again
[10:53] <almoxarife> proq: that's ok, how are you connected to the internet?
[10:53] <proq> or just the full version
[10:53] <Ruuumb0> /join #php
[10:53] <guest345345> Nefertiti: now
[10:53] <guest345345> Ruuumb0: no thanks
[10:53] <Ruuumb0> sorry
[10:53] <proq> almoxarife: wireless connection to a wireless router
[10:53] <Ruuumb0> Its jabber client
[10:53] <guest345345> lol
[10:54] <guest345345> hah busted joining the PHP channel...you must be pretty ashamed now
[10:54] <almoxarife> proq: you are stuck in the updates from internet portion?
[10:54] <guest345345> ;)
[10:54] <Incarus6> Oh Im so excited, WUBAWUBAWU :D nevermind. I heard 11.04 is going to bereleased in 10 minutes
[10:54] <Nefertiti> Ah :)
[10:54] <jasonmchristos> The toram option for the live cd should be default because it not only frees up the cd drive for use, such as playing and burning, when people are testing, and it also it increases the speed and responsiveness of the OS.
[10:54] <proq> almoxarife: it didn't say what stage it was in, just that it was installing
[10:54] <Nefertiti> Finally :)
[10:54] <msb___> I am convinced that it is available here now: http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[10:55] <guest345345> msb__:it is
[10:55] <daskog> Any webdevelopers here that only use Ubuntu? how is day to day usage & do you run Photoshop etc in Virtualbox etc?
[10:55] <guest345345> just not announced yet
[10:55] <jasonmchristos> The toram option for the live cd should be default because it not only frees up the cd drive for use, such as: playing and burning, when people are testing, and it also it increases the speed and responsiveness of the OS.
[10:55] <Incarus6> daskog, here
[10:55] <guest345345> daskog: Yeah I use Ubuntu for development, testing and deployment
[10:56] <CoolChEEzE> daskog, i run photoshop and dreamweaver in vbox on ubuntu ... works great
[10:56] <guest345345> daskog: it's fine....best platform I've ever used
[10:56] <Phoop> I do it the other way around, I run Ubuntu in VBox :)
[10:56] <almoxarife> proq: from my experience with wubi, I found that it would always hang on a wifi connection if the connection was not an open connection
[10:56] <andeeeuk> #Does anyone know why it still says it is a beta release in the update manager?!?!
[10:56] <Incarus6> daskog, im running kubuntu. when i have to use PS im starting win 7 in virtualbox
[10:56] <guest345345> daskog: To be honest...I find Inkscape better for mock-ups and vectors that Photoshop/Illustrator
[10:56] <jatt> yes I will try this 11.04 on vbox
[10:56] <Incarus6> andeeeuk, 11.04 isnt released yet
[10:56] <daskog> How is performance for Virtualbox apps like Adobe suite?
[10:56] <guest345345> don't even need Wine
[10:56] <proq> almoxarife: ok good to know, I'll try with a cable
[10:56] <jatt> no? I am downloading it from http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[10:57] <nashj> I am most comfortable with Ubuntu... Have not used windows for quite some time now...
[10:57] <guest345345> daskog: Give Inkscape a try...it's really clean and fast compared to Adobe suite
[10:57] <Incarus6> jatt, yes but not in the repos
[10:57] <CoolChEEzE> daskog, performance is great on my machine... cant really see alot of diff
[10:57] <CoolChEEzE> use win 7 on it
[10:57] <seniseni> Congratulations!!
[10:57] <Marco1> when will be the official annoucement?
[10:57] <Incarus6> Marco1, I heard in 7 minutes
[10:57] <almoxarife> proq: if you connect the cable without doing anything else it may go on
[10:57] <andeeeuk> Incarus6: ok thanks.
[10:57] <guest345345> daskog: you will probably want to hate it a whole due to the new learning curve.....but it's save as native SVG
[10:57] <andeeeuk> I will check back soon :)
[10:57] <Nefertiti> Thank you msb link is working for me.
[10:57] <daskog> Inskscape looks really good
[10:57] <guest345345> daskog: which has a lot of advatages for web dev
[10:57] <seniseni> 10% downloaded ^_^
[10:57] <guest345345> daskog: even more so soon
[10:58] <proq> seniseni: 10% of ubuntu 11.04?
[10:58] <daskog> what you mean?
[10:58] <guest345345> s/whole/while
[10:58] <seniseni> proq: yep
[10:58] <seniseni> Its availaable
[10:58] <jatt> any pointers how to install ubuntu in virtualbox? host ubuntu
[10:58] <nashj> But, recently i made a big mistake of swithching to KDE!
[10:58] <proq> seniseni: awesome, I'm going to go to bed and install 11.04 tomorrow with wubi  :D
[10:58] <seniseni> proq: gl ^_^
[10:58] <vadviktor> nashj: it is not a misstake, you just took a wrong turn XD
[10:59] <almoxarife> proq: I don't think wubi works with 11.04, check first
[10:59] <ribot> how can i make the computer always connect automatically to a wlan
[10:59] <nyoger> ribot, connect once and it should auto add to your default connections
[10:59] <almoxarife> ribot: set the connection to auto
[11:00] <nyoger> you can check your wlan0 right clicking the networking-manager-gnome icon
[11:00] <Incarus6> guest345345, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/chromium (German) says, that chromium in the repo is modified
[11:00] <linuxfreaker> Hello
[11:00] <any> seniseni: where is it available?
[11:00] <linuxfreaker> Is Ubuntu 11.04 release
[11:00] <there> hey looks like it's out
[11:01] <WaltherFI> When will the Natty be released today?
[11:01] <nyoger> which is best to use google chrome or chromium ?
[11:01] <kichawa> http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cdimages/natty/release/
[11:01] <almoxarife> nyoger: chromium
[11:01] <Incarus6> nyoger, chromium is modified by the distributors
[11:01] <commanace> Hey everyone, does anyone know how I can tell apt that my package is being managed by another packaging system? Which boils down to: it should mark the package as installed but not actually install it and set a flag such that the package will not be updated if there's a new version in the tree...
[11:01] <guest345345> someone should start up a bit here that prints the direct links every time someone says "11.04"
[11:01] <guest345345> bot*
[11:01] <linuxfreaker> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-11-04-Officially-Released-197181.shtml
[11:02] <linuxfreaker> Is announcement for Natty done?
[11:02] <nyoger> Incarus6, i'm sure source code is available
[11:02] <o__> chromium is totally open source
[11:02] <seniseni> im almost download it
[11:02] <tsimpson> linuxfreaker: it's not released yet
[11:02] <guest345345> Incarus6: do you read German?
[11:02] <seniseni> but torrents down
[11:02] <ribot> almoxarife: where do i set this
[11:02] <guest345345> Incarus6: cuz I have no idea what that says lol
[11:02] <vibhav> FloodBot2 sets mode -q #ubuntu vibhav!*@* what does that mean?
[11:02] <commanace> I see that there's a --no-upgrade option, but that does not prevent apt from actually installing the package...
[11:02] <Incarus6> guest345345, I am german, lol
[11:02] <seniseni> Torrents up
[11:02] <guest345345> Incarus6: oh :)
[11:02] <linuxfreaker> How softpedia saying "officially released"
 really?
[11:02] <guest345345> Incarus6: does it say what they modify?
[11:02] <seniseni> vibhav: yes
[11:02] <linuxfreaker> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-11-04-Officially-Released-197181.shtml
[11:02] <tsimpson> linuxfreaker: because they're wrong
[11:03] <Incarus6> linxfreaker, its released, but not in the repo yet
[11:03] <any> thx
[11:03] <seniseni> For blinds: http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[11:03] <tsimpson> Incarus6: no, it's not
[11:03] <linuxfreaker> Is it announced internally in any mailing list
[11:03] <tsimpson> no, it's not
[11:03] <linuxfreaker> okie thnx
[11:03] <Incarus6> tsimpson, http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[11:03] <linuxfreaker> Guys, i am facing issue logging into ubuntu 11.04 machine
[11:04] <linuxfreaker> When i am providing login n passwd it throwing me back to the machine
[11:04] <linuxfreaker> tsimpson, is ISO available?
[11:04] <linuxfreaker> Is that final ISo
[11:05] <andeeeuk> http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/ iso is here!!
[11:05] <WaltherFI> Is it beta or the final?
[11:05] <andeeeuk> final iso, it is just not in the repo yet :s
[11:05] <niels1> ...waiting for it to be in the repo's.
[11:05] <guest345345> andeeeuk: why not just download and do fresh install?
[11:06] <Marco1> still waiting official announcement...
[11:06] <niels1> because then all my other packages will be gone, including settings etc.. etc..
[11:06] <there> pretty decent dl speed. i thought the server would be hammered
[11:06] <andeeeuk> I prefer doing an update
[11:06] <guest345345> If people can't have a new install looking exactly like their old install within 15 minutes...they're doing something wrong
[11:06] <andeeeuk> a lot easier
[11:06] <vibhav> why cant I send anything to th #ubuntu-release-channel???????
[11:06] <guest345345> Between Ubuntu One and a config script.....I can have an identical system within about 10 minutes
[11:06] <guest345345> from a single command
[11:07] <jiltdil> is upgrading my ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 also removes my virtual box OS?
[11:07] <vibhav> why cant I send anything to th #ubuntu-release-channel???????
[11:07] <guest345345> vibhav: because ChanServ has muted you
[11:07] <Phoop> vibhav: probably because you are banned
[11:07] <guest345345> beucase you were flooding
[11:07] <vibhav> how do i get unbanned?
[11:08] <guest345345> by waiting until it expires
[11:08] <vibhav> please?
[11:08] <guest345345> and then behaving like a good boy
[11:08] <Internat> you got banned for posting links or hashes or something
[11:08] <vibhav> Expires in how many minutes?
[11:08] <ScottONanski1> Installing 11.04 on my Alienware m15x. Great setup process!
[11:08] <vibhav> What i did was a countdown.....
[11:08] <MaRk-I> vibhav: mutes and bans expire after a month...
 Expires in how many minutes?
[11:08] <step21> Scott-Mc, 11.04 is #ubuntu+1
[11:09] <step21> oops
 Ohoo nooooo!
 Is there another way?
[11:09] <step21> ScottONanski1, 11.04 is in #ubuntu+1
[11:09] <guest345345> vibhav: you should do /msg ChanServ I am very sorry sir....I win't do it again
[11:10] <guest345345> haha
[11:10] <Nefertiti> :D
[11:10] <harvi> lol
[11:10] <guest345345> maybe he will go easy on you
[11:10] <MaRk-I> !ot
[11:10] <vibhav>  /msg ChanServ I am very sorry sir....I win't do it aga
[11:11] <tsimpson> MaRk-I: that's not true that bans expire after a month
[11:11] <guest345345> omg he really did
[11:11] <guest345345> priceless
[11:11] <MaRk-I> tsimpson: well tell him he's banned for talking about the release
[11:12] <guest345345> !guidelines
[11:12] <MaRk-I> vibhav: you were silenced for talking about the release the time is up to the OP in that channel
[11:12] <guest345345> !g test
[11:12] <ManDay> is it out yet? out yet? is it there already? mommy, how long does it still take?!ß
 Am i unbanned now?
[11:13] <MaRk-I> vibhav: no Idea, try
[11:14] <guest345345> vibhav: the OP can set a ban timeout however long he wants
[11:14] <guest345345> He should have warned you first
[11:14] <guest345345> unless a bot autobanned you for flooding or something
[11:14] <harvi> ManDay: iso can be found on http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/ . but Im still waiting for official announcement.
[11:14] <MaRk-I> guest345345: if the topic is not warning enough....
[11:15] <ManDay> harvi: o_O
[11:15] <ManDay> did you drop the bomb?
[11:15] <guest345345> well...I would have thought common sence should be enough
[11:15] <Curly_Q> Has anyone worked with .htaccess and .htpasswd and which is best? I would like to password a directory.
[11:15] <guest345345> but.....
[11:15] <guest345345> sense*
[11:15] <ManDay> Curly_Q: best? anyway, #httpd is your friend
[11:16] <Curly_Q> Thanks.
[11:16] <Marco1> the ftp is requesting passwords
[11:16] <MaRk-I> topic says... Do not say it's released or post links to it until the Release Manager says so, or you may be banned without warning.
[11:16] <Marco1> I think we're a few minutes from official announcement
[11:16] <guest345345> Curly_Q: .htaccess and .htpasswd are entirely different things
[11:16] <guest345345> I suggest Nginx as a fix to that
[11:16] <guest345345> #nginx
[11:17] <robert05ad> 2mbps isnt bad http download
[11:17] <guest345345> as a fix to Apache's hideous inefficiency I mean
[11:17] <cfc_{Pawpad}> the link i saw erleier
[11:17] <robert05ad> weeMbps
[11:17] <Nefertiti> Anouncement or not iso I am downloading is a good one I hope :)
[11:17] <Curly_Q> Thanks Guest345345
[11:17] <cfc_{Pawpad}> is that the official release of server 11.04??
[11:17] <Naib> is it out yet
[11:17] <Naib> is it out yet
[11:17] <guest345345> Naib: YES!
[11:18] <Naib> is it out yet
[11:18] <tsimpson> Naib: no
[11:18] <Naib> is it out yet
[11:18] <robert05ad> I hate stupid people
[11:18] <botcity> !party
[11:18]  * guest345345 waves at Naib
[11:18] <nyoger> is there a edubuntu edition of natty ?
[11:19] <andreashard> So I reinstalled LAMP on the office ubuntu server due to a php issue, but now after using tasksel php5 is not working at all. I don't have libapache2-mod-php5, libapache2-mod-php5filter, php5-cfgi, php5-fpm. any ideas?
[11:19] <PeterMaffay> hi i have a question
[11:19] <syrinx_> !ask
[11:19] <PeterMaffay> how can i backuo my system
[11:19] <PeterMaffay> backup
[11:19] <PeterMaffay> i want to do an clean re install
[11:19] <botcity> !backup
[11:21] <mbn_18> Hi, how do I know if selinux is enabled on Natty?
[11:21] <SilverCode> does anyone know if the 11.04 power regression will be fixed in a future update, or if it will be pushed out to 11.10?
[11:21] <guest345345> !apparmor
[11:21] <guest345345> @mbn_18
[11:21] <kaatta> have a nub question, reading instructions on google telling me to edit "etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:21] <kaatta> where is that directory?
[11:22] <smw> kaatta, /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:22] <robert05ad> I'm still a noob but i think it's "vm" to edit it
[11:22] <PeterMaffay> !sbackup
[11:22] <fcuk112> is natty out yet?
[11:22] <guest345345> kaatta: nubs shouldn't be editing that file
[11:22] <kaatta> yea, thats what i just asked... but telling me /ext/apt/sources.list means absolutely nothing to me
[11:22] <robert05ad> something like - vm /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:22] <smw> robert05ad, you mean vim?
[11:22] <guest345345> kaatta: What are you trying to do?
[11:22] <robert05ad> yeah vim sorry
[11:23] <smw> kaatta, that is the file location
[11:23] <kaatta> im trying to add debian source to my sources to get a LXDE compatible composite manager
[11:23] <Ymer-> kaatta, in the terminal type vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:23] <botcity> kaatta, whats the problem?
[11:23] <kaatta> ty ymer for answering something i could understand
[11:23] <smw> kaatta, sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:23] <guest345345> Ymer-: didnt'y uo forget the "sudo"?
[11:23] <Ymer-> kaatta,  no problem
[11:23] <meisth0th> isn't 11.04 still out?
[11:23] <guest345345> and vim is installed by default...not everyone loves vim
[11:23] <Ymer-> ah yes, correct
[11:23] <guest345345> isnt*
[11:23] <smw> then ctrl O to save and ctrl x to exit
[11:24] <smw> kaatta, ^
[11:24] <smw> kaatta, nano is easier to use than vi
[11:24] <botcity> kaatta, if your new i would suggest gedit
[11:24] <kaatta> what do i need to do to edit that? i may be wrong but ymer, your instructions appear to just show me the contents of the file
[11:24] <Ymer-> kaatta, in the terminal type "sudo [vi/nano/vim/pico] /etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:24] <guest345345> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:24] <guest345345> that's probably the easiest way for a "nub"
[11:25] <Marco1> people! we need to flood twitter! If we get around 1 tweet per-second for about half an hour we'll be among the trending topics
[11:25] <harvi> kaatta, if you have gedit you can try "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:25] <guest345345> harvi: gksudo
[11:25] <harvi> guest345345: oh..damn. sry youre right gksudo
[11:26] <kaatta> harvi i type that and get "command not found"
[11:26] <guest345345> Ctrl+Alt+T for terminal
[11:26] <guest345345> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:27] <guest345345> be careful
[11:27] <harvi> kaatta, "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" should work, sry my bad. you must run it in terminal. press CTRL+ALT+T and type that command there. gedit will open, you edit that file and save changes. than you can close terminal and gedit
[11:28] <kaatta> harvi, i appear to not have gedit, i am apt-get installing it
[11:28] <karlo> shouldn't ubuntu 11.04 be released today?
[11:28] <Mitchell-92> Hey... I have a question about ubuntu server... I have a dedicated server running ubuntu 10.10... I want to set up a cloud on it so all my computers can be kept in sync... how would I do so?
[11:28] <harvi> karlo: yes, but still nothing...
[11:28] <HF_acid> karlo: it has, they haven't updated the site but the torrents work
[11:28] <avdija> karlo, you are genius
[11:29] <fcuk112> karlo, http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[11:29] <tsimpson> HF_acid, fcuk112, it is NOT out yet
[11:29] <botcity> i dont get that why does there have to be two "sudo, gksudo" surely there must be a way to have one that can comply with both?
[11:29] <karlo> avdija, I am not pretending I am smart, I just asked.. tnx on info all
[11:30] <PeterMaffay> how backup my system
[11:30] <HF_acid> tsimpson: ? how do you figure
[11:30] <tsimpson> HF_acid: because the release manager has not released it yet
[11:30] <raviepic3> people i am having 64 bit ubuntu 10.x version, how can i make sure that this os can run 32 bit applications ? i want to install eclipse and android sdk in my system to work
[11:30] <kaatta> harvi, the last hint got it, tyvm, exactly what i needed
[11:31] <PeterMaffay> how backup my system
[11:31] <PeterMaffay> i want the WEHOLE system backuppen
[11:31] <harvi> kaatta: np
[11:31] <fcuk112> tsimpson, the torrent is dated 28-apr 09:35?
[11:31] <PeterMaffay> how backup my system
[11:31] <guest345345> tsimpson: it IS available for download....even if it hasn't been announced
[11:31] <guest345345> and it IS the final image
[11:31] <botcity> !backup | PeterMaffay
[11:31] <tsimpson> no, it's not released yet
[11:31] <PeterMaffay> i read all
[11:31] <PeterMaffay> but i cant understand
[11:31] <tsimpson> whatever you have, it may not be not the final release
[11:32] <tsimpson> whatever the file name, date or whatever
[11:32] <PeterMaffay> how backup my system
[11:32] <jatt> why not
[11:32] <peto_> hi
[11:32] <m3t4lukas> #ubuntu-de
[11:32] <Ymer-> hi peto_
[11:32] <karlo> when I'll be able to upgrade to ubuntu 11.04 with update manager?
[11:32] <Man30> hey tsimpson I just downloaded the final version of natty, thanks for your help dude :)
[11:32] <peto_> hello Ymer-
[11:32] <guest345345> tsimpson: wrong wrong wrong
[11:32] <guest345345> it's released....end of story
[11:33] <m3t4lukas> PeterMaffay #ubuntu-de
[11:33] <tsimpson> think what you want
[11:33] <Man30> tsimpson: why do you hate ubuntu fans. you are doing this great OS a disservice
[11:33] <kaatta> tsimpson, dont feed trolls :D
[11:33]  * dArKd3ViL jumps
[11:33] <harvi> Hey guys do you know if unity 2D will be avaible in 11.04 ?
[11:33] <PeterMaffay> no it ISNT !!!!
[11:34] <PeterMaffay> at least 11.10 !!!!
[11:34] <PeterMaffay> how backup my system
[11:34] <ordinareez> so what if my PC can't run 3D Unity?
[11:34] <velcroshooz> without 3d support i have heard you just run ubuntu classic.
[11:34] <jatt> no there is unity-2d
[11:34] <karlo> velcroshooz, yep
[11:36] <Scarra3__> What channel is the release party at
[11:36] <Ymer-> kaatta, did u get it to work?
[11:36] <iceroot> how to send "ctrl + alt + f1" in vinagre?
[11:36] <herc_> where will the 11.04 appear when it's finished?
[11:36] <mick_laptop> hi, does anyone know why I can't autologin? I have it set to login w/o a password under my username, and under login preferences - there is a checkbox "automatically login as..." but my user isn't in the dropdown and it is grayed out. any ideas?
[11:37] <mick_laptop> herc_: ubuntu.com
[11:37] <herc_> mick_laptop: just wait
[11:37] <mick_laptop> herc_: what do you mean?
[11:37] <herc_> mick_laptop: it will sign you in after some time, probably 30 seconds
[11:37] <Genghiz> ok
[11:38] <hid3> Any news about the release process?
[11:38] <mick_laptop> herc_: how do i make it not wait? -- btw i'll try that in a bit (to just wait)
[11:39] <tsaknorris> http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2011/04/this-we-can-fix-now.html <--- for all you developers out there xD
[11:39] <ashmew2> !ask
[11:39] <MaRk-I> iceroot: preferences > allow keyboard shortcuts?
[11:39] <BananaLemon> Is Ubuntu 11.04 out?
[11:39] <PeterMaffay> hid3: http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.04/
[11:39] <mick_laptop> ashmew2: playing w/ the bot or did you misunderstand something
[11:39] <ashmew2> join #ubuntu-release-party
[11:40] <iceroot> MaRk-I: i dont see that point in vinagre 0.5.1
[11:40] <ashmew2> mick_laptop: needed the !ask stuff to copy paste to another channel :)
[11:40] <quibbler> PeterMaffay-> a good way to cakup you whole system is with clonezilla here:  http://clonezilla.org/
[11:40] <phoque_uni> no! don't joins #ubuntu-release-party
[11:40] <phoque_uni> it's a massive time-sink
[11:40] <phoque_uni> :-D
[11:41] <MaRk-I> iceroot: 0.5.1?
[11:41] <quibbler> backup
[11:41] <MaRk-I> !info vinagre
[11:41] <^Phantom2^> I'm starting to get really pissed off here
[11:42] <^Phantom2^> I am trying to play minecraft, with the .jar provided by the website.  It keeps up and just closing out on me.
[11:42] <iceroot> MaRk-I: hardy provides 0.5.1
[11:42] <^Phantom2^> With NO warning.
[11:42] <MaRk-I> iceroot: ah nvm then
[11:42] <iceroot> MaRk-I: as it seems i need a backport
[11:42] <^Phantom2^> just BAM and it's no longer running
[11:42] <^Phantom2^> what could be causing this?
[11:43] <iceroot> MaRk-I: libc6 dependency :(
[11:43] <Guest45212> anyone know where I can get ubuntu support for eee pc 1101HA?
[11:43] <MaRk-I> iceroot: i see
[11:43] <^Phantom2^> wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwawiohtqawoht
[11:44] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom2^: tell me exactly the commandline parameters how you launch it?
[11:44] <iceroot> MaRk-I: i will try other vncviewers, thank your for your help
[11:44] <MaRk-I> iceroot: have u tried..... teamviewer?
[11:44] <^Phantom2^> tsaknorris, that wwwwwww is from it just closing itself agaimn
[11:44] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom2^: and does minecraft run on openJDK? or do you need "real" java :D
[11:45] <frank> Ubuntu 11-04 is not officially released yet?
[11:45] <^Phantom2^> tsaknorris, the same way I've been doing it all week, right click and run with openjdk.
[11:45] <BananaLemon> Hello, How do I login as root?
[11:45] <^Phantom2^> It ran fine for 5 hours tonight
[11:45] <MaRk-I> !info remmina
[11:45] <WaltherFI> BananaLemon: you don't want to
[11:45] <jrib> !root | BananaLemon
[11:45] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom2^:  show me the commandline parameters
[11:45] <^Phantom2^> This started happening after I had to restart with the thing still running, because all the titlebars disappeared
[11:46] <^Phantom2^> tsaknorris, i don't start it from command line
[11:46] <kaatta> ymer im having a bit of an issue w/ the package im after apparently not exsisting
[11:46] <kaatta> kinda annoying
[11:46] <Ymer-> kaatta, what package?
[11:46] <Guest45212> at what time doth starteth the great avalance of 1104?
[11:46] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom2^: you should!!!! "java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame" <--- make launcher of that
[11:46] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom2^: and USE SUN JAVA :D
[11:47] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom2^: dont use openJDK
[11:47] <^Phantom2^> tsaknorris, it's been running fine on open all week
[11:47] <^Phantom2^> why is it starting this crap NOW?
[11:47] <botcity> Guest45212, started
[11:47] <kaatta> ciaro-compmgr
[11:47] <^Phantom2^> did restarting without closing it out do something?
[11:47] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom2^: well do what i say and it will run all year ^^.
[11:47] <kaatta> i have been trying to get a composite manager for lubuntu for about a week
[11:47] <Marco1> ubuntu is already on the ftp site
[11:48] <BananaLemon> Hello, What time will be the release of Ubuntu 11.04 on update managers?
[11:48] <sl1ck> what's the official release time?
[11:48] <kaatta> im getting an error: W: GPG error: http://download.tuxfamily.org sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY CBF6E0B8483170E9
[11:48] <^Phantom2^> okay, hand on here
[11:48] <tomasz> http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso
[11:48] <jamey-uk> sl1ck: exactly what I was about to ask
[11:48] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom2^: first install SUN JAVA and then make launcher out of that commandline parameters
[11:48] <jrib> natty will be released when it's ready, same as every other release before it
[11:48] <tsimpson> tomasz: it's not released yet, don't post links
[11:48] <tomasz> it is
[11:48] <tomasz> it was add today on 9 a.m.
[11:49] <Ymer-> kaatta, seems like the package it available, you prolly have to find it and download it somewhere else... (not awesome at this, but doing my best to help :) )
[11:49] <Marco1> still waiting official release announcement
[11:49] <^Phantom2^> !sunjava
[11:49] <kaatta> y does it have to be so bloody hard to get a composite manager on lxde?!?!?!?
[11:49] <botcity> BananaLemon, I assume it will be later today .
[11:49] <jrib> tomasz: it's not released until it's announced as officially released.  End of discussion please
[11:49] <tsimpson> tomasz: it's not, the official release will use "11.04" not "natty"
[11:49] <jason223> where to get ubuntu natty for netbook?
[11:49] <sl1ck> jamey-uk:  I already downloaded the .iso file. Just need to know when the mirrors will be ready too.
[11:49] <tomasz> http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[11:49] <WaltherFI> jason223: there is no netbook release anymore
[11:49] <tomasz> its not official ??
[11:49] <WaltherFI> jason223: netbook project has been depreceated
[11:49] <jamey-uk> sl1ck: okay, the ISO is from yesterday, is that the final release version then?
[11:50] <paranox> where to get ubuntu 11.04 for my mobile phone?
[11:50] <kaatta> omfg im about to scream... im so close to just giving up on this
[11:50] <paranox> canonical is clearly not very good at dates
[11:50] <tomasz> natty/                  28-Apr-2011 09:26    -   Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)
[11:50] <velcroshooz> kaatta, lxde uses openbox as a window manager. which doesnt have composite. most composite managers are their own window managers, and you only run one at a time.
[11:50] <sl1ck> Jamck: its from today. I think it is final. /leaked mirror/
[11:50] <curt> hey all! I'm needing to transfer files from a 9.04 installation (ext3) to 10.10 (ext4) but the systems is telling me that my 9.04 system does not support ext4 - what can I do to make this happen?
[11:50] <WaltherFI> paranox: the phone versions are not official. Search for some ports if you will
[11:50] <sl1ck> jamey-uk:  its from today. I think it is final. /leaked mirror/
[11:50] <BlouBlou> paranox: it will be released today at 18:00 GMT, as usually
[11:50] <liucf> i'm online?
[11:50] <^Phantom2^> !partner
[11:51] <liucf> some answer....
[11:51] <paranox> WaltherFI: really? there is a phone version? i was just being silly
[11:51] <tsimpson> 11.04 is NOT released yet, join #ubuntu-release-party to wait
[11:51] <liucf> am i online
[11:51] <kaatta> velcroshooz i am not a linux buff, but after installing a dock and conky, which i desperately want to be running on this machine... im told i need something called a 'composite manager' so that there are not large black boxes around the apts
[11:51] <tomasz> look here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[11:51] <WaltherFI> paranox: there are some phone ports for ubuntu, e.g. for HTC HD2
[11:51] <jason223> WaltherFI: you mean here http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook/get-ubuntu/download is the lastest netbook version?
[11:51] <WaltherFI> paranox: but they're not official
[11:51] <kyleh0000> hey all im trying to get support for ubuntu server can anyone point me to the right place?
[11:51] <liucf> someone please answer me
[11:51] <paranox> it should be released right now GMT+10!
[11:51] <WaltherFI> jason223: there will never be a netbook version of 11.04
[11:51] <sl1ck> several czech mirrors beg to differ ;)
[11:51] <BlouBlou> liucf: what's up?
[11:51] <WaltherFI> liucf: you're online
[11:52] <tomasz> why is bad site ?? http://releases.ubuntu.com/ ??
[11:52] <jrib> please discuss natty release in #ubuntu-release-party and let people looking for help with ubuntu get help with ubuntu here
[11:52] <BlouBlou> !download | tomasz
[11:52] <liucf> i just test
[11:52] <velcroshooz> kaatta, you are going to need something like compiz then, there are no standalone composite managers that are still supported afaik. using compiz means you switch from openbox (lxde's standard window manager) to it.
[11:52] <jrib> tomasz: it's not a bad site
[11:52] <stREaKer> when is 11.04 releasing ?
[11:52] <BlouBlou> stREaKer: today at 18:00 GMT as usually
[11:52] <tomasz> there is 11.04 so why is not good ??
[11:52] <stREaKer> ohk :P
[11:53] <jrib> stREaKer: when it's ready.  Join #ubuntu-releasy-party
[11:53] <jason223> WaltherFI: ubuntu will not support netbook anymore? what should I use in my eeepc?
[11:53] <kaatta> velcroshooz, i thought that there was something preventing compiz from working in lxde? or can you help me get it going?
[11:53] <tomasz> jrib,  there is a 11.04 relased so why is bad ?
[11:53] <jrib> tomasz: because that's not the final version until it's announced as such.
[11:53] <stREaKer> jrib: I can upgrade with all my setting right ?
[11:53] <jrib> stREaKer: yes
[11:53] <WaltherFI> jason223: the regular version
[11:53] <tomasz> jrib,  but it add today on 9 a.m. so its official ?
[11:53] <stREaKer> jrib: Do i need to add any source or something?
[11:53] <jrib> tomasz: no.
[11:53] <WaltherFI> jason223: the unity desktop is now default
[11:54] <velcroshooz> kaatta, i dont run lxde myself i cannot say. but standard ubuntu comes with compiz included.
[11:54] <jrib> stREaKer: once it's released, update-manager will ask you if you want to upgrade
[11:54] <WaltherFI> jason223: there is only desktop and server edition in the future
[11:54] <stREaKer> ohk thanks :)
[11:54] <tomasz> jrib,  what will be changed ? if it was add today ?
[11:54] <jrib> tomasz: maybe nothing, maybe something.
[11:54] <lo0m> has anyone succesfully migrated from virtualbox to HDD? using dd? ubuntu 10.10 btw
[11:54] <kaatta> velcroshooz, unfortunately ubuntu wont run on this machine, but lubuntu runs very very smoothly
[11:55] <tomasz> jrib,  ok i undestand, i download on pendrive and test, after download official and install
[11:55] <velcroshooz> kaatta, a composite manager is going to be more cpu and graphics intensive, so that may not be the best option for you then
[11:55] <babarabush> i dont get why mirrors grabbed it
[11:55] <jason223> WaltherFI: I see. You mean netbook can use desktop version because the unity is suitable for netbook?
[11:55] <Kage> 11.04 coming out today?
[11:55] <dreinull_> Kage: it is out already
[11:55] <WaltherFI> jason223: sure.
[11:55] <dreinull_> Kage: http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.04/
[11:56] <BananaLemon> Hello why is my download speed so slow? 3.5MB/Sec
[11:56] <babarabush> tsimpson: wtf, try read my line again
[11:56] <tomasz> people realy 11.04 is like netbook editon, and desktop is over with 10.10 ??
[11:56] <dreinull_> BananaLemon: poor thing. try BT
[11:56] <Kage> woah who!  Break out the hookers and blow!
[11:56] <Akavashi> BananaLemon: every is spamming the servers
[11:56] <Akavashi> *everyone
[11:56] <jrib> Kage, dreinull_: it's not out until it's announced as out, please stop saying otherwise
[11:56] <babarabush> tsimpson: i didnt say it was out ffs
[11:56] <kaatta> velcroshooz, i think i can handle it. gnome runs decently on this machine till i try to do too much at once, i think running compiz from lubuntu will work out fine
[11:56] <MaRk-I> topic says... Do not say it's released or post links to it until the Release Manager says so, or you may be banned without warning.
[11:56] <grobda24> hello. how can I mount an external hardrive CONSISTENTLY to the same folder ? ... after hibernation it mounts to a new folder with "_" postfix.
[11:56] <dreinull_> jrib: who cares. They will announce just this url
[11:56] <babarabush> tsimpson: just noticed that it had been pushed to the mirrors tsimpson
[11:57] <jrib> dreinull_: this is not up for discussion.  In any case, the contents of that url may change.
[11:57] <tsimpson> babarabush: join #ubuntu-ops if you want to discuss the ban
[11:57] <lo0m> grobda24: did you put a record to /etc/fstab ?
[11:57] <curt> What do I have to do to transfer files from an ext3 files system to an ext4 file system - my 9.04 installation tells me that it does not support ext4
[11:57] <HF_acid> main website has changed to reflect 11.04
[11:57] <babarabush> tsimpson: no need im not banned
[11:58] <grobda24> lo0m, yes ... "/dev/sdb1	/media/fifth-element	                  ext3	  user_xattr	  0"
[11:58] <jrib> curt: upgrade your ubuntu version, 9.04 isn't supported anymore
[11:58] <jrib> !9.04 | curt
[11:58] <narf_> Hi... hmm, trying to fix my settings for my xorg.conf, tell me... if I use modeline ... do I remove all other monitor info? Or just paste it above? The problem is my refresh rate is low and its killing my eyes.. Ubuntu doesnt pick up my refresh rate but I know this monitor can do 80hz ?
[11:58] <galumph> Where's my Natty?
[11:58] <stefan__1> 11.04 is offcial out :)
[11:58] <curt> YEah I've installed Meerket but need to move files to that install from 9.04
[11:58] <velcroshooz> kaatta, compiz is what gnome is running as a window manager by default when desktop effects are set to on, as i said i dont run lubuntu so i cant say how to add compiz to it.
[11:58] <BananaLemon> Is it possible to delete my "root" account and make myself the superuser?
[11:58] <lo0m> grobda24: try using UUID instead
[11:58] <phoque_uni> it's out!
[11:58] <galumph> stefan__1: where? The website still 10.10
[11:59] <galumph> still has*
[11:59] <lo0m> grobda24: in fstab of course
[11:59] <sama> download time
[11:59] <stefan__1> galumph: nope, just make a reload. Proxy?
[11:59] <phoque_uni> galumph, it says 11.04
[11:59] <chazwoza> anyone know what time 11.04 will be rdy?
[11:59] <dreinull_> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[11:59] <HF_acid> galumph: ? no it's updated, perhaps your cache is off, shift f5
[11:59] <dreinull_> it is out. even officially
[11:59] <Guest3131> BananaLemon, no :)
[11:59] <jrib> BananaLemon: no, you need to have a root account.  But by default, you won't be able to login to the root account.  Your first user will be able to sudo (and anyone else in the admin group).  What exactly do you want to do?
[11:59] <grobda24> lo0m, ah, in fstab ? this is the unique harddrive ID ? Maybe there is a page on help.ubuntu.com ...
[11:59] <galumph> Whoa, when did that happen
[11:59] <dreinull_> i dont see why you guys are complaining?
[12:00] <galumph> A second ago it was 10.10
[12:00] <Marco1> released!
[12:00] <Guest3131> BananaLemon, but you can add yourself to admin group... to gain rights
[12:00] <stefan__1> Downloading and Testing^^
[12:00] <dreinull_> ubuntu.com is still not really up to date
[12:00] <narf_> Noone know how to modify xorg then?  please really need help getting my refresh rate working, this is killing my eyes
[12:00] <sysek> :O
[12:00] <curt> I'm trying to move a ton of mp3, ogg, flac, etc files to my new Meerkat install (ext4) but 9.03 (ext3) won't let me
[12:00] <dreinull_> and installed.
[12:00] <sysek> when windows 8 will be realese ?
[12:00] <jrib> curt: did you see what I told you?
[12:00] <lo0m> grobda24: yes, try google it.. i have UUID=#hash insted of /dev/sda2 ..works like a charm
[12:00] <herc_> already installed?
[12:01] <dreinull_> yes
[12:01] <Dazzled1> Does anyone know of a way to get information about the current system without being sudo?
[12:01] <dreinull_> restarting now
[12:01] <Akavashi> woah... is it just me... or is the Website now spastic? lol
[12:01] <galumph> Hurr, 9 kb/s
[12:01] <grobda24> lo0m, k, thanks, I'll try that
[12:01] <dreinull_> use bt
[12:01] <jaredquinn> Dazzled1: what info are you after?
[12:01] <freakynl> Hi, 11.04 is out on the website, any idea how long it will take before do-release-upgrade picks it up?
[12:01] <herc_> anyone making a torrent?
[12:01] <Dazzled1> HDD Serial, MOBO id
[12:01] <jatt> should work now
[12:01] <botcity>  /join #ubuntu-release-party
[12:01] <Dazzled1> jaredquinn: something to identify a machine with
[12:01] <chazwoza>  /join #ubuntu-release-party
[12:01] <jrib> Dazzled1: lshw  work?
[12:02] <phoque_uni> do I need the alternate image to upgrade my installation from CD?
[12:02] <herc_> join #ubuntu-release-party
[12:02] <ashmew2> bannde from there :P
[12:02] <dreinull_> herc_: there is a torrent out
[12:02] <jrib> phoque_uni: yes, I believe so
[12:02] <grobda24> narf_, xorg.conf is still very archaic for this kind of thing :( ... search on http://help.ubuntu.com ... with my setup I ended up having to go into windows to run a util to define the modelines. Although there is a way to do that in Linux but it did'nt work for me.
[12:02] <herc_> dreinull_: where?
[12:02] <curt> jrib: yes but I'm planning on wiping that drive for Natty, right now I just want to back up the files on the Meerkat install - I have never upgraded since Warty, always a clean install -
[12:03] <Barnabas> narf_, try to google your make of monitor + xorg
[12:03] <phoque_uni> herc_, http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download#bt
[12:03] <dreinull_> herc_: ftp://ftp.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[12:03] <nabbies> whois _bugz_
[12:03] <herc_> ty
[12:03] <curt> jrib: are you saying there is no way to back up to ext4 file system
[12:03] <nabbies> !countdown
[12:03] <Dazzled1> jrib: thanks, it complained I should be sudo, but it showed the info :)
[12:03] <Barnabas> narf_, you will almost certainly find a config example
[12:03] <Fudge> hi guys, anyone know if macbook eyesight builtin cams when they dont work if it is coz of kernel, friend just updated to lucid 2.6.32-31
[12:03] <jrib> Dazzled1: yeah, sudo just gives you more info (though I'm not sure what exactly)
[12:04] <velcroshooz> Fudge, you need isight firmware for it to work
[12:04] <Fudge> velcroshooz  thanks
[12:04] <DaSMarK> Hello people.
[12:04] <DaSMarK> I have a question.
[12:04] <narf_> Barnabas, I have a Sahara monitor, lol.. Can't find it.. However I have the modeline info... but just not sure how to define it in xorg.conf if I remove all other monitor arguments it wont work, if I put it on the first line it still doesn't work... if I specify 1024X760_80 it defeaults back to 50hz refresh rate
[12:04] <jrib> curt: use a live cd, that's probably the easiest way for you.  You could even do it with your desktop install cd
[12:04] <DaSMarK> i want backuo my very new installed system
[12:04] <curt> jrib: are you talking about an upgrade?
[12:04] <narf_> Barnabas, just not sure how to decode the modeline to horizotal and vertical
[12:05] <jrib> curt: no
[12:05] <DaSMarK> is it possible with remastersys ?
[12:05] <Fudge> velcroshooz  eh says the firmware tools for eyesight are installed, is that right?
[12:05] <jrib> curt: you can access and copy your data when you boot from the desktop cd (it's a live cd so you run the OS right from the cd)
[12:05] <_bugz_> nabbies, interested?
[12:05] <DaSMarK> i want backuo my very new installed system
[12:05] <Barnabas> narf_, try this http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[12:05] <velcroshooz> Fudge, the install does not come with them by default, so someone would have had to explicilty install them for the firmware to be there
[12:06] <jrib> !backup | DaSMarK
[12:06] <curt> jrib: ok... I was thinking maybe something like tune2fs (or whatever it;s called might help out... no?
[12:06] <Tatarin> Hi all.
[12:06] <DaSMarK> i already tried
[12:06] <curt> jrib: OK ... I was thinking maybe something like tune2fs might help... no?
[12:06] <DaSMarK> i want backuop my whole system
[12:06] <Tatarin> are there russians?
[12:06] <Fudge> velcroshooz  yeah he did install them bu tinstalled new kernel few days ago and just noticed cheese isnt working with cam
[12:06] <jrib> curt: well if you're saying 9.04 can't access ext4 (which is weird because you should just be able to mount it as ext2), then the easiest thing for you to do is just use the desktop cd
[12:06] <Fudge> its 10.04
[12:06] <jrib> DaSMarK: read the link ubottu sent you
[12:07] <jrib> !ru | Tatarin
[12:07] <narf_> Barnabas, tx
[12:07] <velcroshooz> Fudge, hm i cannot say then, i am running 10.10 and am not having issues.
[12:07] <Fudge> velcroshooz  thanx for head sup anyway mate
[12:07] <shadowlemon> what's the release time of natty? is there anyone who knows
[12:07] <nathanforbes> 11.04 just dropped
[12:07] <jrib> shadowlemon: when it's ready, as usual
[12:07] <herc_> it's released
[12:07] <nathanforbes> at 7am here
[12:07] <MaRk-I> it's about to get released ....
[12:07] <curt> jrib: thanks, I'll give it a shot... unless... if I boot to the new Meerkat, might I be able to move those files from the 9.04, rather than the other way ;round (which didn't work)
[12:08] <jrib> Join #ubuntu-releasy-party to announce the release of natty.  Let's try to keep this channel usable for people looking for support
[12:08] <shadowlemon> lol! lmao
[12:08] <phoque_uni> MaRk-I, it has been
[12:08] <shadowlemon> i just like refreshed my page 5 minutes ago
[12:08] <shadowlemon> and now it's there
[12:08] <sweb> ubuntu 11.04 do not have netbook v ?
[12:08] <MaRk-I> phoque_uni: nope not officially
[12:08] <jrib> curt: yes, if you already have meerkat installed on a separate partition, that would work too.
[12:08] <llutz_> curt: meerkat reads/writes ext2/3/4 fine. just mount your jaunty-fs and copy
[12:08] <nathanforbes> sweb, its all the same now
[12:08] <txomon> anyone knows if there is any plugin/mod for outlook support of OpenPGP?
[12:09] <jamey-uk> who do I tell about problems with the ubuntu.com website? "How can it be free?" on the new home page 404s
[12:09] <jaredquinn> sweb: read the release notes.
[12:09] <curt> Cool! that would definitely be the easiest then... thanks!!
[12:09] <^Phantom2^> !sunjava
[12:09] <phoque_uni> MaRk-I, http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download yeah, it is.
[12:09] <phoque_uni> this is the official download-wizard, mind oyu
[12:09] <^Phantom2^> !multiverse
[12:09] <hungryhubby> how to report a bug about my screen in lucid going blank
[12:10] <usalabs> Hi everyone, I updated from Lucid to Meerkat, and I keep having the main panel icons swap around every-time I power on the PC, all items on that panel are locked, which should stop them moving, but somehow they move around the panel and not in the positions I put them
[12:10] <MaRk-I> phoque_uni: is not but ok, if you say so
[12:10] <phoque_uni> MaRk-I, take a closer look
[12:10] <ashmew2> How can i make sure that my android phone and ubuntu both are using the USB 2.0 ?
[12:10] <crus> When i follow the instructions for upgrading from Ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 im told theres no new releases found :?
[12:10] <shadowlemon> rofl, ubuntu website looks kinda fucked right now..
[12:11] <phoque_uni> shadowlemon, Ctrl+F5 a few times, it'll realign
[12:11] <thegoodcushion> What's the support like in Ubuntu for cheap inkjet printers?  There are some cheap printers available and I'm thinking of getting one for Ubuntu
[12:11] <sweb>  jaredquinn, so ubuntu netbook and desktop are same
[12:11] <sweb> ?
[12:11] <shadowlemon> phoque_uni: that's what i've been doing actually for the last 2 min ;)
[12:11] <scoundrel50a> yes, they are the same
[12:11] <curt> One more thing... I've read over the years that upgrades from one release to the next Ubuntu release has caused problems - is this an ongoing thing?
[12:11] <phoque_uni> hmm, weird
[12:11] <jaredquinn> sweb: for 11.04 yes.
[12:11] <usalabs> ahh ok thanks phoque_uni
[12:11] <phoque_uni> it was fine after maybe two tries
[12:11] <velcroshooz> thegoodcushion, most hp's are very well supported, i would not go with an offbrand.
[12:11] <ashmew2> curt: might happen , depends..
[12:12] <shadowlemon> STOP CHANGING YOUR NAME ffs
[12:12] <jaredquinn> sweb: It comes with both Gnome (Classic) and Unity.  You can select from login
[12:12] <shadowlemon> it's fucking annoying, kick those noobs
[12:12] <sweb> thank you guys . happy new UBUNTU <3
[12:12] <thegoodcushion> velcroshooz: well the deskjet 3050 is $48 at Officeworks
[12:12] <ashmew2> !language | shadowlemon
[12:12] <thegoodcushion> velcroshooz: you reckon the HP 3050 will be supported?
[12:12] <jrib> curt: should be fine.  Upgrades have always worked well for me.  But you should have backups just in case
[12:12] <thegoodcushion> velcroshooz: I want to print source code with colour coding from gedit
[12:12]  * jaredquinn has got a little crush on Unity at the moment.
[12:12] <jamey-uk> mmmm Unity
[12:12] <jrib> !printing | thegoodcushion
[12:13] <pippo> hi!
[12:13] <jrib> thegoodcushion: mine works automatically when I plug it in (some cheap canon s300 (I think)).  Just check those lists and others' experiences before buying
[12:13] <^Phantom2^> do I have the right repositories for getting Sun Java?  http://pastebin.com/cwaDmyTX
[12:13] <curt> jrib: always makes me a bit too nervous to attempt - I'll have to get another 2TB drive and make an exact copy before trying it... just to be safe
[12:13] <velcroshooz> thegoodcushion, i am unsure of that specific model, your best bet is to google the model name and number, along with linux + ubuntu, see what kind of reviews or issues people are having.
[12:13] <NetM> Why i cant do upgade? Says no new release found :P
[12:14] <jrib> NetM: because it's not out yet, be patient in #ubuntu-releasy-part :)
[12:14] <ashmew2> NetM: #ubuntu-release-party
[12:14] <jrib> NetM: because it's not out yet, be patient in #ubuntu-releasy-party :)
[12:14] <AceKing> Can someone post a torrent link for 11.04 32 bit download? The link on the Ubuntu site is not working
[12:14] <phoque_uni> NetM, it takes time to distribute the new release among mirrors
[12:14] <NetM> oh! thank you jrib and ashmew2
[12:14] <jrib> AceKing: because it's not out yet, be patient in #ubuntu-releasy-party :)
[12:14] <ashmew2> NetM: np :)
[12:14] <sweb>  jaredquinn, lock at this torrent links http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download#bt
[12:14] <pippo> could someone tell me when the new release will ready?
[12:14] <AceKing> Jrib, ok, thank you for letting me know
[12:14] <ashmew2> jrib: you must be keeping that statement on ur clipboard lol :P
[12:15] <zvacet> ^Phantom2^: remove # from deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu maverick partner
[12:15] <jrib> pippo: when it's ready, await the announcement in #ubuntu-release-party :)
[12:15] <curt> ashmew2: any advice on what the upgrade might depend on... personal experience, or hearsay?
[12:15] <jaredquinn> sweb: yes
[12:15] <tomasz> ok is on official page 11.04 !!
[12:15] <usalabs> is 11.04 available in the update manager yet?
[12:15] <sweb> jaredquinn, desktop and netbook not smae
[12:15] <sweb> same*
[12:15] <reves> i thought they were merging netbook and desktop releases together with 11.04! why is there still a distro for each?
[12:15] <jaredquinn> reves: they have.
[12:15] <jrib> curt: lots of unofficial repositories will decrease your likelihood of a smooth experience
[12:15] <zvacet> ^Phantom2^: save and close and then sudo apt-get update
[12:15] <reves> jaredquinn: the download options say otherwise
[12:16] <^Phantom2^> zvacet, done, and doing command, thanies
[12:16] <Lungan> Wich time does upgrade appear in update manager?
[12:16] <^Phantom2^> thankies
[12:16] <curt> jrib: ahh.. obvious but I hadn't thought of that
[12:16] <sweb>  jaredquinn, which one that for my netbook ?
[12:16] <zvacet> ^Phantom2^: yw
[12:16] <ashmew2> curt: well tbh ive never upgraded myself..but im guna do that this time from 10.10 to 11.04.....sometimes breakage occurs if you have outdated hardware i think...and maybe because the things that you had like a library 2.1 , in the new repo, it may be a library 3.0...its worth the try imo..you can always do a fresh install after that
[12:16] <ashmew2> sorry long msg
[12:16] <jrib> curt: yeah, really it will only matter if you use repositories that affect core packages.   Otherwise, everything should be okay (check release notes of course)
[12:17] <vibhav> is it released?
[12:17] <shmoolikipod> vibhav,  not yet
[12:17] <jrib> vibhav: because it's not out yet, be patient in #ubuntu-releasy-party :)
[12:17] <DJKorbit> hi
[12:17] <KM0201> !isitout
[12:17] <curt> Ashmew2: jrib: good advice thanks to both of you.
[12:17] <curt> happy release day!
[12:17] <DJKorbit> how can i set unity as my default desktop?
[12:17] <vibhav> http://www.ubuntu.com/ shows a del laptop
[12:17] <vibhav> http://www.ubuntu.com/ shows a dell laptop
[12:17] <ashmew2> :)
[12:17] <FloodBot2> vibhav: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:17] <cousin_mario> DJKorbit: Are you a masochist perhaps?
[12:17] <DJKorbit> choosing "Ubuntu" from gdm combobox doesn't work
[12:17] <velcroshooz> DJKorbit, unity is the default in 11.04
[12:17] <jrib> DJKorbit: if you select it at the login screen, your choice should be remembered
[12:18] <exalt> hello, i try to install natty by usb but i always get an "stdin: error 0" error, md5 hashes matches and i use unetbootin to create the disk
[12:18] <^Phantom2^> zvacet, which sun-java-* should I install?  sun-javadb-common, sun-javadb-javadoc, sun-javadb-client, sun-javadb-core, sun-java-demo, or sun-javadb-doc?
[12:18] <DJKorbit> velcroshooz, only if you have 3d acceleration, which i didn't because nvidia drivers were not working
[12:18] <velcroshooz> DJKorbit, ah yes, that is true
[12:18] <jrib> !java | ^Phantom2^
[12:18] <DJKorbit> i have 3 options, Ubuntu, Ubuntu Classic and Ubuntu Classic (no effects)
[12:18] <usalabs> as 11.04 is available on the main site, when would it be available in the update manager?
[12:19] <shmoolikipod> it is out !
[12:19] <theGreatDane> im setting up key based ssh login
[12:19] <theGreatDane> what permissions should i use on the dir 'authorised_keys'
[12:19] <jrib> vibhav: it's not out yet (probably soon), be patient in #ubuntu-releasy-party :)
[12:19] <DJKorbit> i was using the "no effects" option because nvidia drivers were not working, the package was broken in the repository
[12:19] <theGreatDane> ?
[12:19] <cousin_mario> usalabs: nice question
[12:19] <tomasz> usalabs update is more dificult than install fresh
[12:19] <jrib> usalabs: it's not out yet (probably soon), be patient in #ubuntu-releasy-party :)
[12:19] <zvacet> ^Phantom2^: I don't know witch one you want in partner repo is sun-java6-jre
[12:19] <DJKorbit> i was able to install nvidia-173 package today and got 3d working but if i choose the default desktop, it goes to the classic, and not unity
[12:19] <usalabs> ok, thanks, I'll wait
[12:19] <DJKorbit> how can i set unity as default by hand?
[12:20] <ashmew2> how do i make sure Ubuntu is using USB 2.0 ?
[12:20] <^Phantom2^> according to that tinyurl in the trigger, sun is not available for 10.10
[12:20] <zvacet> ^Phantom2^:I think that you have openjdk by default
[12:20] <jrib> ^Phantom2^: it is.  In the !partner repositories
[12:20] <AceKing> jrib, I bet you wish you had a dollor for everytime you have to say that today! LOL
[12:20] <^Phantom2^> Yes, I have openjdk
[12:20] <AceKing> Dollar
[12:20] <jrib> AceKing: :)
[12:20] <jaredquinn> DJKorbit: Unity should be default on 11.04... and you select it from the sessions list at login if it isn't
[12:21] <^Phantom2^> I'm being told I need sun to continue running minecraft
[12:21] <jrib> ^Phantom2^: then enable the !partner repositories and install sun java
[12:21] <^Phantom2^> !partner
[12:21] <DJKorbit> jaredquinn, doesn't work, there must be a way to defined it somewhere in a file
[12:21] <stREaKer> I dont get sound on my onboard sound driver
[12:21] <zvacet> ^Phantom2^: then install sun-java6-jre from synaptic
[12:21] <jaredquinn> DJKorbit: that sounds like the drivers weren't working properly and therefore it fell back to default.
[12:22] <DaSMarK> hello i need help. i deleted /home/user/.bashrc* and /root/.bashrc*
[12:22] <DaSMarK> is it wrong ??
[12:22] <jrib> DaSMarK: it's not wrong.  But if you want to restore it, you can find a copy in /etc/skel/
[12:22] <DJKorbit> jaredquinn, but they are working properly because i can run unity from the terminal and it works perfectly
[12:22] <stREaKer> Am using P67A-UD3R motherbaord and the on board sound driver is not working on ubuntu 10.10
[12:22] <DaSMarK> thanks
[12:22] <thegoodcushion> jrib: thanks, I'm looking through the online stuff and it seems hit and miss
[12:22] <ashmew2> streaker : paste the Audio Multimedia line from the output of lspci
[12:22] <stREaKer> ashmew2: How to do that
[12:23] <ashmew2> Applications (top left corner) > Accessories > Terminal
[12:23] <jrib> thegoodcushion: if you want mine and are in the boston area, I was about to toss it in the dumpster (it works fine, just don't use it anymore)
[12:23] <zvacet> ^Phantom2^: read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[12:23] <^Phantom2^> I keep getting zero results for java6
[12:23] <ashmew2> streaker: enter the command in the terminal
[12:23] <DJKorbit> jaredquinn, maybe there is a key in gconf that defines the default desktop, do you have any idea?
[12:23] <thegoodcushion> jrib: No I'm not near there
[12:23] <Brian911> Good evening. I feel stupid, but how do I update my version of Ubuntu?
[12:23] <jrib> thegoodcushion: ok :)
[12:23] <akashm1990> ubuntu+1 is invite only?
[12:23] <jaredquinn> DJKorbit: definitely not a key in gconf.. how could it be?  gconf is a gnome concept
[12:23] <jrib> !upgrade | Brian911
[12:24] <jaredquinn> DJKorbit: seriously, it's your Xsession
[12:24] <Brian911> Cool. Thanks! have a great night
[12:24] <ashmew2> akashm1990: says the same to me
[12:24] <^Phantom2^> how interesting
[12:24] <jrib> Brian911: keep in mind that 11.04 is not released yet, so you'll have to wait a bit
[12:24] <^Phantom2^> terminal and synaptic both couldn't find it
[12:24] <^Phantom2^> but the link on that page you linked me is getting it installed
[12:24] <^Phantom2^> thankies :D
[12:24] <jaredquinn> DJKorbit: so you can launch Unity from the terminal and it works, but what about everything else that supports it in the session, like compiz failing \(which is the likely culprit if your vid drivers are not quite right)
[12:24] <Brian911> Oh.  I think I am off by a day or two.  Thanks for the link though. I'll go study
[12:25] <zvacet> ^Phantom2^: is everything ok now
[12:25] <DJKorbit> jaredquinn, i've found the problem, i had "exec metacity --replace" in my .xinitrc because unity was not working
[12:25] <DJKorbit> jaredquinn, i'll just delete my .xinitrc
[12:25] <jaredquinn> DJKorbit: told you..  it was your session :)
[12:25] <^Phantom2^> zvacet, appears so
[12:25] <stREaKer> ashmew2: http://pastebin.com/GHdNFGMT
[12:25] <jrib> Brian911: once maverick is released update-manager just pops up and asks you if you want to upgrade :)
[12:25] <^Phantom2^> zvacet, i'll come back if minecraft keeps closing itself under sunjava
[12:25] <zvacet> ^Phantom2^: good  8-)
[12:25] <DJKorbit> jaredquinn, thanks ;) (let me try it)
[12:25] <burg> hhello. why is 32 bit 11.04 ubuntu recommended? does the 64 bit version have more bugs?
[12:26] <rgr> is natty as buggy as was predicted?
[12:26] <vibhav> why am I banned again!!!!
[12:26] <erry> my friend has a prob with his soundcard
[12:26] <erry> :3
[12:26] <raju> .Hello friends ...upto now i survived with free live cd from ubuntu .now they had stopped free delivery . i am out of internet . can any one help me how can i get live cd's . i am very eager to try 11.04 .
[12:26] <zvacet> ^Phantom2^:ok
[12:26] <vibhav> why am I banned again!!!!
[12:26] <ashmew2> streaker: Just needed this line : 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Cypress HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5800 Series] :P
[12:26] <vibhav> I did not spam now....Un ban me
[12:26] <phoque_uni> vibhav, because you were sending people DCCs
[12:26] <jaredquinn> raju: it should be all over the coverdisks of computer magazines in news agents within a few weeks
[12:26] <paranox> dear #ubuntu
[12:26] <thegoodcushion> Does anyone here wish to make a recommendation about a cheap inkjet printer that has at least 3 colours plus black that works well with Ubuntu?
[12:26] <Internat> vibhav: cause you keep being special.
[12:26] <buzzkill> vibhav:  because you are annoying
[12:26] <paranox> the adsl is very slow in my grandma's basement
[12:26] <vibhav> what is DCC
[12:26] <rgr> thegoodcushion: go HP
[12:27] <niels1> Why isn't ubuntu 11.04 in the repo's yet?
[12:27] <paranox> what should i do?
[12:27] <^Phantom2^> it usually closes itself after about 5 minutes
[12:27] <jaredquinn> thegoodcushion: yeah any cheap HP or Brother will do the job..
[12:27] <stREaKer> ashmew2: what does it mean to you? :P I have selected the default playback ... works on both the card and USB device
 why was i annoying??
[12:27] <paranox> Black_Phantom: you are annoying
[12:27] <^Phantom2^> so time will tell, zvacet
[12:27] <DJones> raju: You'll probably find that most linux magazines will have cover cd's with 11.04 on fairly soon
[12:27] <rgr> paranox: move to your Mom's basement.
[12:27] <raju> jaredquinn:  to india also ?
[12:27] <MaRk-I> vibhav: I suggest you be quiet while you're here or go to #ubuntu-ops and ask
[12:27] <paranox> rgr: she is still on dialup
[12:27] <damicita> i have canon mp210  printer and works great with my unbutu
[12:27] <Black_Phantom> paranox Elaborate and justify.
[12:27] <thegoodcushion> jaredquinn: Well Officeworks is selling a couple of cheap HPs but I can't find them on the hardware lists
[12:27] <raju> DJones: ^^^
[12:27] <jaredquinn> thegoodcushion: which ones?
[12:27] <paranox> Black_Phantom: elaborate and justify what?
[12:27] <thegoodcushion> HP Deskjet 3050 jaredquinn
[12:27] <jrib> niels1: it's not out yet, be patient in #ubuntu-releasy-party :)
[12:27] <Black_Phantom> paranox how am I annoying you ?
[12:27] <theGreatDane> im confused about ssh with key... i generated a public and private key, google says put the publc key in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys... BUT, where do i put the private key?
[12:28] <Black_Phantom> I literally just joined.
[12:28] <thegoodcushion> jaredquinn: and deskjet 2000
[12:28] <rgr> Black_Phantom: and then demended he justified his Q.
[12:28] <zvacet> ^Phantom2^:you are right
[12:28] <paranox> i forget
[12:28] <jrib> theGreatDane: on the client
[12:28] <^Phantom2^> zvacet, did it again
[12:28] <paranox> Black_Phantom: what did you say before i said whatever i said?
[12:28] <Black_Phantom> Nothing
[12:28] <paranox> i can't keep up with all these fat nerds
[12:28] <paranox> let me investigate
[12:28] <pygreen> my brother printer always steals the first two centimeters of the page, there's nothing i can do :D
[12:28] <jrib> paranox: please be respectful of others in this channel
[12:28] <DJKorbit> jaredquinn, didn't work, i've also deleted .dmrc and didn't work
[12:28] <rgr> crikey, what a noise. No wonder Ubuntu is considered the fanboi distro.
[12:29] <vibhav> IS it released GUYS?
[12:29] <DJKorbit> jaredquinn, what do you have in your .dmrc? i have "session=gnome"
[12:29] <^Phantom2^> zvacet, I'll try wiping and re-installing minecraft
[12:29] <velcroshooz> it is release day, of course there is traffic
[12:29] <jrib> vibhav: #ubuntu-release-party
[12:29] <DarkStar1> Hello people, I'm trying to integrate ldap with samba and stumbling when trying to add the schema to ldap using: ldapadd -x -D cn=admin,cn=config -W -f /tmp/cn\=samba.ldif. I get the error: ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49)
[12:29] <paranox> Black_Phantom: oh yeah i get it now
[12:29] <raju> DJones:  i have a old ubuntu dvd  , which have several pakg's i wanna install all those pkg's into my pc . how can i do that .
[12:29] <paranox> Black_Phantom: i meant buzzkill
[12:29] <paranox> buzzkill: you are annoying
[12:29] <Black_Phantom> Cool.
[12:29] <vibhav> jrib : I am banned there
[12:29] <vibhav> jrib :IDK why
[12:29] <paranox> Black_Phantom: that's what i said to you? "you are annoying"?
[12:29] <jrib> vibhav: #ubuntu-ops
[12:29] <zvacet> ^Phantom2^:are you sure you are using sun-java6-jre in terminal  sudo update-alternatives --config java
 Black_Phantom: you are annoying
[12:30] <stREaKer> anyone can help?
[12:30] <vibhav> jrib : what do I do there?
[12:30] <^Phantom2^> Yeah, I told it to launch with sun
[12:30] <jaredquinn> DJKorbit: I don't have a few locale settings and no session value
[12:30] <Oday> hi
[12:30] <jrib> vibhav: you can sort out why you are banned
 Yes?
[12:30] <Oday> can I trust Computer Janitor?
[12:30] <paranox> Black_Phantom: ok cool
[12:30] <paranox> buzzkill: you are annoying
[12:30] <stREaKer> Am using P67A-UD3R motherbaord and the on board sound driver is not working on ubuntu 10.10
[12:30] <Oday> will remove all UNNECESSARY packages?
[12:30] <^Phantom2^> Yeah, I told it to launch with sun @ zvacet*
[12:30] <jaredquinn> DJKorbit: sorry that was.. I have a few locale type things and nothing session related.
[12:30] <stREaKer> http://pastebin.com/GHdNFGMT
[12:30] <DJKorbit> jaredquinn, i'll try deleting the session=gnome then
[12:31] <zvacet> ^Phantom2^: sorry then I can not think of any thing else
[12:31] <thegoodcushion> jaredquinn: are you looking something up?
[12:31] <soulfly> how do i upgrade from beta 2 ?
[12:31] <stREaKer> vibhav: any idea ?
[12:31] <jatt> Oday: better use debfoster and deborphan directly, Computer Janitor is junk
[12:31] <jaredquinn> DJKorbit: that would just be used by login to pick the default one. you should still be able to select it at login
[12:31] <Macer> hello
[12:31] <^Phantom2^> zvacet, me either
[12:31] <jaredquinn> thegoodcushion: i was having a bit of a look
 lemme see
[12:31] <jaredquinn> thegoodcushion: it looks like it supports wifi?
[12:31] <^Phantom2^> I'm trying a fresh install of it
[12:31] <Oday> how can i do that, jatt? and what about the "apt-get autoremove" command?
[12:31] <jiltdil> hi ubuntu 11.04 is out
[12:31] <zvacet> soulfly: with updates
[12:31] <paranox> dim_: you are annoying
[12:31] <thegoodcushion> jaredquinn: yes
[12:31] <jaredquinn> thegoodcushion: so network printing using something like hpjetdirect i guess
[12:31] <paranox> Mitchell_: you are annoying
[12:31] <jaredquinn> thegoodcushion: which is pretty standard.
[12:31] <paranox> tPl0ch: you are annoying
[12:31] <garyvalencia> Need some help with ICE and status 256 errors messages
[12:32] <paranox> Naib: you are annoying
[12:32] <Oday> stop that, paranox
[12:32] <jaredquinn> thegoodcushion: there are reports of people getting it working on 10.10 if you just google "Ubuntu HP 3050"
[12:32] <KNUBBIG> In my update-manager, the check fails because some of the PPAs I added don't have natty versions yet (I'm on beta2). Will this affect me being able to upgrade to release?
[12:32] <thegoodcushion> jaredquinn: well that's all very well for Windows but what about Ubuntu?
[12:32] <soulfly> I"m trying to update from beta 2 with update manager but says no updates
[12:32] <jatt> Oday: yeah that's good but deborphan will probably find more unused packages for you
[12:32] <zvacet> ^Phantom2^: I believe you do
[12:32] <tuhin> how to upgeade kernel from 2.6.35-22 to latest 2.6.38?
[12:32] <Naib> paranox: ?
[12:32] <raju> Oday:  apt-get autoremove will clear the useless pkg's in u r PC
 use update-manager
[12:32] <paranox> Naib: yeah?
[12:32] <jaredquinn> thegoodcushion: as i said. it's pretty standard.. i've been printing with hpjetdirect from UNIX boxes for 15 years.
[12:32] <jiltdil> it is out but there is no link to downloading it perhaps in 1 or 2hrs it should be start downloading
[12:32] <Naib> paranox: and you smell like week old pickles
[12:33] <jrib> paranox: stop telling people they are annoying.  THAT is annoying
[12:33] <velcroshooz> servers need time to propagate the new iso's, an official release worldwide is going to take some time.
[12:33] <paranox> Naib: why would you say that to me?
[12:33] <zvacet> KNUBBIG: in source list disable these ppa by putting # in front of their lines
[12:33] <paranox> Naib: you are a gay cunt
[12:33]  * jiltdil good news it is downloading now
[12:33] <jamey-uk> someone is raping the ubuntu repo servers... oh wait
[12:33] <jrib> bye*
[12:34] <KNUBBIG> zvacet, hm ok thx
[12:34] <jaredquinn> zvacet: Doesn't the update-manager do that for you?
[12:34] <burg> hhello. why is 32 bit 11.04 ubuntu recommended? does the 64 bit version have more bugs?
[12:34] <txomon> notepad++ in linux?
[12:34] <jaredquinn> burg: 32bit has always been more widely tested
[12:34] <txomon> burg, is more stable the 32 bit one
[12:34] <raju> txomon:  get wine  man
[12:34] <obengdako> why is the 32bit version recomended i currently use a 32bit on a 64bit machine and was hoping to switch to 64bit but the recommended there makes me wonder if i'll then have trouble with lib32 and stuff in order to run 32bit apps any ideas?
[12:34] <stREaKer> no one here on sandy bridge?
[12:34] <KM0201> spread the word, it's finally out!...lol
[12:34] <ashmew2> do you get op status all of a sudden or are you already an OP and stay undercover :P
[12:34] <txomon> raju, no wine, want native
[12:34] <^Phantom^> zvacet, so far so good (fresh install)
[12:34] <zvacet> jaredquinn: maybe I'm not sure but a way I told it iss for sure
[12:35] <Naib> ooo release says it is out
[12:35] <jrib> burg: use 64bit if you want to, there's no real reason to use 32bit if your computer can use 64bit
[12:35] <velcroshooz> burg, most software is still written for 32 bit. some proprietary apps are not going to run on 64 bit without a chroot or multilib setup. It just means 32 bit is better supported at the moment.
[12:35] <marcusb> you bloody idiots: who made the popup window with the new-version-announcement that steals the keyboard focus?
[12:35] <raju> txoman gedit will do everything
[12:35] <jiltdil> burg:just use 64bit
[12:35] <eltigre> Hey, I am having trouble with defective packages
[12:35] <marcusb> Ubuntu is a clusterfuck.  I'm out of here.
[12:35] <^Phantom^> oh dangit!
[12:35] <txomon> raju, no, it hasn't got nftp ^^
[12:35] <^Phantom^> zvacet, force closed again
[12:35] <jrib> obengdako: 64bit works fine
[12:36] <jatt> 64bit is good for servers
[12:36] <jrib> eltigre: you have to be more specific
[12:36] <eltigre> how can I repair defective packages?
[12:36] <jatt> but for the desktop is an overkill
[12:36] <mythri> hello everyone i m new to ubuntu..i need to backup..wat does ROOT folder mean..wil it have my documents in it
[12:36]  * jrib embraces for impact
[12:36] <raju> txomon:  i cant find that ...please retype man
[12:36] <jrib> mythri: can you provide full context?
[12:36] <Sidewinder1> It has now been officially announced: 11.04 IS OUT!
[12:36] <jatt> old news
[12:36] <ashmew2> mythri: http://www.psychocats.org/
[12:36] <Oday> when i put "deborphan" in terminal, i get a list of packages, this tool just finds the orphaned packages for me?
[12:36] <eltigre> jrib: So far I am only getting messages that I have to repair them
[12:37] <velcroshooz> mythri, the user you login with is going to have your settings
[12:37] <obengdako> jrib, what about whay velcroshooz said?
[12:37] <eltigre> not really which ones... and apt-get -f install doesn't work either
[12:37] <jrib> eltigre: messages where?
[12:37] <zvacet> ^Phantom^:I'M not a gamer so all I can help you with is to install java package sorry maybe someone else know better
[12:37] <Ymer-> !backup | mythri
[12:37] <jatt> Oday: try
[12:37] <jatt> deborphan | xargs -i apt-get --purge remove "{}"
[12:37] <jatt> this will remove them.
[12:37] <jrib> mythri: ask him to name the software and see if it affects you :)  (there isn't much)
[12:37] <eltigre> jrib, synaptic and apt-get
[12:37] <jatt> Oday: with sudo of course
[12:37] <ashmew2> mythri: http://www.psychocats.net/ sorry its .net not .org
[12:37] <jrib> eltigre: and what's the exact message you receive from apt-get?
[12:38] <velcroshooz> obengdako, by proprietary i mean games and the like, most apps are going to run fine in 64 bit. very few are going to be 32 bit specific these days.
[12:38] <jrib> Oday: there's not much use for deborphan nowadays.  That functionality is built into apt-get now
[12:38] <mythri> jrib, i have to reinstall the ubuntu ......before that i was tryin to recover my ubuntu documents and files from windows xp partition..my ubuntu doesnt work now
[12:38] <^Phantom^> that's okay, zvacet, I think I might poke around their forums and see if they know anything
[12:38] <txomon> raju, it is a plugin in which you have a local cache copy of the server files you open, and while edditing them, changes are stored in cache
[12:38] <raju> txomon:  had u poke the google about this
[12:38] <txomon> and when you save they are uploaded
[12:38] <thien> somebody please send me download link of ubuntu 11.04
[12:38] <jatt> still deborphan finds unused packages which apt-get doesn't
[12:38] <padi999_> hi all. I can use ping from cmd-line fine but I cannot ping any server using the ubuntu built in Network Tools Ping. It always receives 0 packages. I changed the interface under "Devices" to wlan0 but still, no result
[12:39] <jrib> obengdako: ask him to name the actual software and see if it affects you (there isn't much)
[12:39] <ashmew2> thien: join #ubuntu-release-party
[12:39] <mythri> jrib, when  i did that i only got a back of ROOT.DISK
[12:39] <eltigre> jrib: I only have the German version, but roughly: aborting due to problems in pkgProblemResolver::Resolve
[12:39] <dd214> My UPDATE MANGER reads: "New Ubuntu release '11.04' is available!
[12:39] <Oday> they were all given the Abort choice, jrib
[12:39] <jiltdil> thien:just go to ubuntu home page
[12:39] <obengdako> velcroshooz, so won't installing lib32 and stuff solve those issues because i don't want to have to switch back and forth and can you name some?
[12:39] <txomon> raju, yes, but didnt find nothing reliable
[12:39] <raju> txomo : code.google.com/p/gedit-ftp-browser/ - Similar
[12:39] <jrib> eltigre: you're trying to upgrade?
[12:39] <rapha> Hi alll!
[12:39] <^Phantom^> zvacet, i'm gonna try playing offline
[12:39] <eltigre> jrib, not really
[12:39] <obengdako> jrib, thanks that is a good question do you use 64bit yourself
[12:39] <jrib> obengdako: I've used 64bit for years, yes
[12:39] <velcroshooz> obengdako, lib32 stuff in a 64 bit system is multilib, which should work fine.
[12:40] <rapha> the ISOs uploaded a couple of hours ago, are they "it"?
[12:40] <^Phantom^> i haven't tried that way yet, to see if it happens there
[12:40] <algert> anyone using ubuntu on virtual machine?
[12:40] <jrib> mythri: I don't follow what you are saying
[12:40] <obengdako> jrib, i may still have to download 32bit because i run installations for friends who come with varied machines
[12:40] <jrib> eltigre: prefix your command with "LANG=C" and pastebin
[12:40] <jatt> rapha: yes
[12:40] <mtlife> i cant speak
[12:40] <jiltdil> is it better to run 32 or 64 bit if my hardware supports 64?
[12:41] <mtlife> in ubuntu+1
[12:41] <jrib> obengdako: hmm, not sure what "run installations for friends" means
[12:41] <obengdako> jrib, is there a way to change to 64bit on a 32bit machine maybe a kernel change?
[12:41] <Incarus6> 32bit is allways better
[12:41] <jrib> jiltdil: how much ram do you have?
[12:41] <mythri> jrib, my ubuntu works no more and tried doing back of ubuntu files from diskinternals software i got a file called ROOT.DISK will it have all my documents and files in it?
[12:41] <jiltdil> jrib:4gb
[12:41] <jrib> obengdako: no, you'd have to reinstall
[12:41] <eltigre> jrib, hm it's about python packages... wait a moment
[12:41] <jrib> jiltdil: use 64bit
[12:41] <rapha> jatt: thanks! ... because the homepage of the website has been changed only now
[12:41] <velcroshooz> obengdako, that would require a reinstall
[12:41] <jiltdil> jrib:ok
[12:41] <chazwoza> use 64-bit
[12:41] <KM0201> Incarus6: i wouldn't say "always" better but there's circumstances where its better
[12:41] <jrib> mythri: ah, I do not know
[12:41] <obengdako> i mean people get their cds from me jrib
[12:41] <jrib> obengdako: you mean CDs with packages?
[12:42] <Incarus6> jiltdil, 32bit got a better hardware support, things like flash won't work with 64bit properly
[12:42] <zvacet> ^Phantom^: sorry I was not much of help all the best with game
[12:42] <mythri> my ubuntu works no more and tried doing back of ubuntu files from diskinternals software i got a file called ROOT.DISK will it have all my documents and files in it? i want to do a reinstall of ubuntu..does anyone knows it? please help me i m new to ubuntu
[12:42] <^Phantom^> zvacet, so far no crash yet, playing locally
[12:42] <eltigre> jrib: http://pastebin.com/jqReU10t
[12:42] <jrib> flash works fine on 64bit
[12:42] <KM0201> Incarus6: its been a long time since flash didnj't work properly w/ 64bit... it works fine now
[12:42] <obengdako> velcroshooz, jrib then hmmmm i guess this year i'll be selfish and download for just my machine any 32bit guy can't use my cd now
[12:42] <padi999_> Ah, it looks as if I have this bug :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+bug/709945
[12:42] <kellnola> 64bit hasn't had those problems in a long time
[12:42] <there> so
[12:42] <eltigre> is flash really supposed to work fine on ubuntu?
[12:42] <rgr> someone told me 64 bit was 100% as good as 32 bit. Is that not true?
[12:43] <there> unity was slow
[12:43] <jiltdil> Incarus6:ok thanks any way to make it better "flash' to work fine in 64bit
[12:43] <eltigre> I'm always getting like 100% cpu usage from literally  nothing
[12:43] <jrib> eltigre: « apt-cache policy python »  Where did this strange python version come from?
[12:43] <there> anyone else find unity kinda slowish?
[12:43] <jaredquinn> there: really?
[12:43] <jrib> rgr: it's true
[12:43] <there> yea
[12:43] <kellnola> eltigre, yes flash player works fine
[12:43] <Incarus6> KM0201, I can see still today a lot of 64bit related issues, were is no reason to change to 64bit (except the unix-time-problem)
[12:43] <eltigre> jrib, I have no idea
[12:43] <thegoodcushion> jaredquinn: I reckon I'll just ask periodically here to see what people are experiencing.  I can't seem to find up to date info online
[12:43] <there> jaredquinn: noticeably slower
[12:43] <jaredquinn> there: something wrong there then.. it's designed to be fast and lightweight, which is my experience so far.
[12:43] <jrib> eltigre: what does that command return?
[12:43] <rgr> jrib: not according to jus about every google I have done. Wishful thinking.
[12:43] <there> hmm
[12:43] <[deXter]> Hi all, how can I tell if this ubuntu ISO I downloaded is 32 or 64 bit?
[12:43] <KM0201> there: for me it was... but i'm running 11.04 on an ancient machine.. i just switched to xfce.. i knew that change would come about eventually
[12:43] <jatt> very slow
[12:43] <there> well it's not like really lagging or anything
[12:43] <buzzkill> what is the iso name deXter
[12:43] <jrib> rgr: flash works as fine for me as it does on 32bit or on windows.  I don't know...
[12:43] <Incarus6> eltrige, the latest flash version uses the experimental hardware acceleration, that could causes trouble
[12:43] <zvacet> ^Phantom^: well it is something
[12:44] <jaredquinn> there: so what was slow?
[12:44] <buzzkill> i386 = 32bit
[12:44] <[deXter]> buzzkill: lubuntu-10.10.iso
[12:44] <KM0201> Incarus6: there's no way you can make such a general statement ilke that, and it even be remotely accurate.
[12:44] <kellnola> [deXter], run "file" against any binary on it
[12:44] <KM0201> surely you realize that
[12:44] <[Soma]> hey... I just got up and had 47 updates, one of them being "libkmediaplayer4", and my updating process stopped with "preparing libkmediaplayer4". it's been like that for about 10 minutes. what do I do?
[12:44] <rgr> jrib: works for you. ok. Well the facts are that it doesnt for many others. And to say otherwise is misleading and dishonest.
[12:44] <intruder> hello
[12:44] <jrib> !md5sums | [deXter]
[12:44] <there> it was sort of..hmm.. i kinda have to log back into it and check again
[12:44]  * KM0201 is just glad VLC is finally fixed
[12:44] <[deXter]> None of this is of any help ... the lubuntu CD doesn't have an md5 listed on that page
[12:44] <eltigre> jrib, http://dpaste.com/536729/
[12:44] <jrib> rgr: I don't believe that's the fact.  Flash can be installed and works as fine as flash generally works (hogs cpu, etc)
[12:45] <rgr> nonsense
[12:45] <[deXter]> and the file command won't tell if the ISO contains a 64 or 32bit binary..
[12:45] <DarkStar1> I installed openldap (or at least I think I did) using apt-get but there is no slapd.conf file in the /etc/ldap directory is this normal?
[12:45] <kellnola> [deXter], try what I said
[12:45] <there> i installed gnome 3. it's a bit faster
[12:45] <jaredquinn> there: i've had other issues with it.. but speed hasn't been one of them.   It hasn't been terribly stable through the Natty testing phase.
[12:45] <jrib> rgr: which part is nonsense?
[12:45] <jiltdil> jrib:is there a flash issue in 64bit?
[12:45] <jaredquinn> there: wow..  that's kind of unexpected.. seeing gnome's been slow forever.
[12:45] <[deXter]> kellnola: I did, it just says that it's a bootable ISO.
[12:45] <there> jaredquinn: that's interesting. not sure what's going on here then :|
[12:45] <rgr> about everything you have said. It does not work fine for everyone. And a prooerly configured flash should NOT hog the cpu.
[12:45] <JR0cket1> jiltdil: no more than in 32bit :-)
[12:45] <jrib> eltigre: you have to figure out where that unofficial version of python came from and downgrade back to the official ubuntu version
[12:46] <kellnola> [deXter], mount the iso, and run "file" against any binary WITHIN it
[12:46] <jiltdil> JR)cket1:   :-)
[12:46] <eltigre> jrib, I have a few ppas...
[12:46] <JR0cket1> :-)
[12:46] <exalt> how can i make a bootable usb the best way ?
[12:46] <rgr> even a cursory google shows there to be hundreds if not thousands of people with Flash issues in 64 bit and/or Ubuntu in general. Frequently down to video drivers and xorg configs.
[12:46] <jiltdil> exalt:unetbootin
[12:46] <[deXter]> kellnola: Well nvm, I just looked inside the iso and all the binaries had a _i386 appended to it
[12:46] <[deXter]> :)
[12:46] <jaredquinn> there: my guess would be it would be a video driver issue then..   maybe some software assisted rendering going on or something?
[12:46] <kellnola> exalt, startup disk tool
[12:46] <jrib> rgr: well maybe you misinterpret what I mean by fine.  By "fine" I mean it is usable.
[12:46] <rgr> For you.
[12:46] <rgr> Not for many others.
[12:46] <there> jaredquinn: that's what i was suspecting too
[12:46] <velcroshooz> even on windows flash is a resource hog, so i agree with what jrib says. the issue is whether it is -more- resource intensive than suual
[12:46] <jrib> rgr: for everyone.
[12:46] <jaredquinn> there: did you try unity-2d
[12:46] <there> not yet.
[12:46] <rgr> Why do you continue to talk nonsense. It does not work "fine" for everyone.
[12:47] <kellnola> velcroshooz, yes, flash is kinda shitty, but it does work
[12:47] <exalt> jiltdil: unet bootin makes an stdin: error:0 error kellnola startup disk tool i dont know yet, lets have a look
[12:47] <bazhang> rgr, thats enough please
[12:47] <jrib> rgr: point me to a bug
[12:47] <rgr> And flash works fine on some linu distros and not on others.
[12:47] <rgr> jrib: are you being serious? Even people in this irc channel have reported issues. 2 fps is NOT "running fine".
[12:47] <jaredquinn> I was an icewm user for years because gnome and kde were both too bloated..  kind of happy that people are now finally seeing that a desktop environment doesn't need to get in your way
[12:47] <kellnola> exalt, "System Tools -> Startup Disk Creator"
[12:48] <jatt> rgr: 64bit is a pain in the neck for the desktop. it is excellent for servers running huge applications but for the desktop the wise thing to do is to install 32bit
[12:48] <exalt> kellnola: im on windows
[12:48] <Incarus6> jatt, I agree here
[12:48] <jaredquinn> jatt & rgr..  I agree...
[12:48] <eltigre> jrib: downgrading would basically deinstall most of the software I use, like firefox and gimp
[12:48] <edheldil> Hi all, after a (seeminglly harmless) upgrade of Lucid kvm-qemu package to 0.12.3+noroms-0ubuntu9.5, the VMs do not open VNC ports, not even from monitor console, regardless of port number. VMs otherwise run normally. Has anyone encountered this?
[12:48] <txomon> so anyone knows about
[12:48] <rgr> jatt: yes, thats more my opinion. But I dont see the need for msot people to use 32 bit. It can often hog more resources with no notable performance increase too.
[12:48] <jrib> I disagree. There's no reason not to use 64bit on the desktop if your hardware handles it
[12:48] <txomon> a plugin in which you have a local cache copy of the server files you open, and while edditing them, changes are stored in cache
[12:48] <rgr> s/32/64
[12:48] <kellnola> no probs with 64 bit on desktop here. Would not be able to use my 16GB of memory without it
[12:48] <rgr> if you really need 16 gigs then yes
[12:49] <kellnola> I run a lot of VMs
[12:49] <rgr> then it makes sense.
[12:49] <scarra3> My processor is an AMD Athlon x2 2.2 GHz dual core should I go for the x64 version of 11.04?
[12:49] <jaredquinn> kellnola: then it's NOT a desktop
[12:49] <konaya> Could someone fix the goof on the front page? They call Ubuntu "license-free", and it is not.
[12:49] <kellnola> jaredquinn, of course it is
[12:49] <jrib> eltigre: you need to remove that unofficial version of python
[12:49] <jatt> rgr: you are right, but for organizations is not rare to see servers running 64bit because their java "enterprise" applications require 64GB of ram :)
[12:49] <rgr> jaredquinn: huh? Of course it is.
[12:49] <jrib> scarra3: how much ram
[12:49] <kellnola> jatt, LOL. yes
[12:49] <guampa> scarra3: how much ram do you have?
[12:49] <scarra3> jrib: 4 GB
[12:50] <jrib> scarra3: use 64bit
[12:50] <jaredquinn> kellnola: if you're running a heap of virtual machines on it.. then it's a server, and the service it's serving up is machines.\
[12:50] <guampa> yeah, go with 64
[12:50] <there> jaredquinn: i suppose i'll install unity 2d and try it out.
[12:50] <scarra3> jrib: And how do I install drivers for my graphics card its an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250
[12:50] <kellnola> jaredquinn, it's a computer.
[12:50] <jrib> !ati | scarra3
[12:50] <Incarus6> scarra3, Im using 32bit with PAE -> better compatibility
[12:50] <rgr> this machine is 64 bit and is 4 years old with 3 gigs. Cant imageine ever needing more ram on it with a Debian install but then I dont run VMs that often.
[12:50] <crashanddie> So, how do we get rid of Unity?
[12:50] <phoque_uni> I've really grown fond of removing the lower panel and installing Docky
[12:50] <crashanddie> maybe I should just install debian.
[12:50] <phoque_uni> granted, very OSX-like
[12:51] <phoque_uni> but that was unity too anways
[12:51] <Incarus6> crashanddie or gnome or another desktop
[12:51] <kellnola> crashanddie, the new debian is pretty awesome
[12:51] <txomon> so anyone knows about an editor in which you have a local cache copy of the server files you open, and while edditing them, changes are stored in cache?
[12:51] <rgr> Whats the general feeling about Unity? Is it easy to turn off?
[12:51] <jaredquinn> crashanddie: if you *really* want to.. at the login prompt... you just select "Classic"
[12:51] <there> i kind of like the look and feel of gnome 3 though. although that might just be the novelty of it.
[12:51] <zvacet> scarra3: trx from system>admin<additional drivers
[12:51] <lucas> #btrfs
[12:51] <velcroshooz> crashanddie, there is an option when booting to choose ubuntu classic instead
[12:51] <jatt> crashanddie: I think you can chose a gnome session instead of a unity session on login, don't give up so fast (I know unity sucks tho)
[12:51] <rgr> unity is gnoe isnt it?
[12:51] <jatt> nope
[12:51] <jrib> rgr: you select "classic desktop" at the login screen to turn it off
[12:51] <velcroshooz> rgr, no
[12:51] <Incarus6> rgr, it isnt
[12:51] <crashanddie> well, gnome 3 sucks, and unity is horrendous.
[12:51] <crashanddie> I can't see the future getting better at this point.
[12:51] <rgr> I thought it was a new WM for gnome. Oh well!
[12:51] <Incarus6> rgr, its an own developement of canonical
[12:51] <scarra3> zvacet: Ok awesome thanks now I hope that my touchpad will finally work since it didn't work in 10.10
[12:52] <kellnola> crashanddie, oh well, back to windowmaker
[12:52] <Sidewinder1> Would anyone be kind enough to provide the md5sum hash for the released i386 desktop 11.04 or a link to same? TIA
[12:52] <Incarus6> crashaddie, Im using KDE ;)
[12:52] <jatt> canonical wanted unity and gnome but gnome guys were against it (you know why once you see unity)
[12:52] <rgr> crikey. How ridiculous. A whole new DE? Are they releasing their own desktop apps as well?
[12:52] <jatt> s/and/in
[12:52] <jaredquinn> jatt: it's not just about the look of it either
[12:52] <crashanddie> kellnola, or I'll fork gnome2 and keep maintaining it :)
[12:52] <kellnola> unity looks like it is meant for a touchscreen to me
[12:52] <velcroshooz> all new UI take time for them to mature, when kde 4 started everyone hated it, it has come around, grnome 2.x has had -years- of dev ..
[12:52] <Incarus6> rgr, correct
[12:52] <rgr> eek
[12:53] <damicita> why you think that unity is bad ?
[12:53] <jaredquinn> jatt: it's designed with a slightly different appraoch to how a desktop environment should hang together, and ultimately you will have gnome, kde and other apps all running happily under it, rendering their bits the right way, sending notifications to teh right places and everything being magical.
[12:53] <Incarus6> jatt, Im going to test unity in a couple of minutes. but im not sure about unity. I got a proprietary graphic card driver
[12:53] <th^^> crashanddie: just select 'Ubuntu Classic' in the login screen...
[12:53] <jaredquinn> damicita: I don't.. I love it.
[12:53] <jatt> yeah but canonical doesn't have the resources to maintain unity in the long term, gnome can be hated but they have lots of experience and developers on their side
[12:53] <th^^> but yes, it's easier to go emo about unity and install debian than click one dropdown...
[12:53] <karlhunt> You can still start in gnome by choosing ubuntu classic at login
[12:53] <jaredquinn> damicita: but only because i've been digging around deep within it for a few weeks
[12:53] <Incarus6> damicita, no support for proprietary graphic cards
[12:53] <zvacet> scarra3:  np I hope it will work
[12:53] <eltigre> jrib: hm... another stupid question, I tried to do that with synaptic but I can't actually perform the action because it says I have to repair defective packages
[12:53] <rgr> jaredquinn: it will mother all the different DE apps to look and life the same? Ha. I will believe that when I see it.
[12:53] <rgr> s/life/feel
[12:53] <damicita> oh ...
[12:54] <scarra3> zvacet: Ya its an alps touchpad on my sony vaio
[12:54] <g4> is it easy to test unity and then turn it off?
[12:54] <jaredquinn> g4 YES
[12:54] <Sandeep_Kr_FOSS> So Ubuntu 11.04 has been released, a big THANK YOU to all the devs and contributors! :)
[12:54] <g4> jaredquinn: link?
[12:54] <thien> what is the fastest download accelerator for ubuntu?
[12:54] <Incarus6> g4, repos
[12:54] <g4> ty
[12:54] <scarra3> Btw do the torrents work yet
[12:54] <jaredquinn> g4: read above
[12:54] <jaredquinn> g4: you just select CLASSIC at the login prompt
[12:54] <jaredquinn> g4: and you get gnome\
[12:54] <Incarus6> g4, http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/unity
[12:54]  * rgr predicts unity will produce yet another incompatible suite of apoplication setting repositories and people will get very frustrated ...
[12:54] <g4> ahh great :)
[12:54] <jaredquinn> FFS
[12:54] <jaredquinn> Read the doco people.
[12:54] <zvacet> eltigre:  in synaptic fix broken packages
[12:54] <g4> <3 Ubuntu!
[12:55] <eltigre> zvacet, won't work
[12:55] <edheldil> Hi all, after a (seeminglly harmless) upgrade of Lucid kvm-qemu package to 0.12.3+noroms-0ubuntu9.5, the VMs do not open VNC ports, not even from monitor console, regardless of port number. VMs otherwise run normally. Has anyone encountered this?
[12:55] <ikonia> jaredquinn: easy on the language please
[12:55] <jaredquinn> ... and please give unity a chance.. and not just for five mintues.
[12:55] <eltigre> but I think I found a way now
[12:55] <jbache> any UDS organizers here?
[12:55] <zetheroo> sigh .... thought there would be at least 2000 ppl in here ...
[12:55] <rgr> ikonia: what are you talking about? He didnt swear.
[12:55] <SuperRoach> disappointed?
[12:55] <jatt> ultimately unity will die if they don't provide software that pleases the user
[12:55] <ikonia> rgr: yes he did
[12:55] <rgr> No he didn't.
[12:55] <jatt> no matter how smart their idea/architecture is
[12:55] <simion314> i get a strange bug, during boot my keyboard led is turning off and nothing will happen,if i press the power button the keyboard led will turn on and the bott continue
[12:55] <zvacet> eltigre:  in terminal   sudo dpkg --configure -a    sudo apt-get -f install
[12:55] <fix> woot woot in the boot
[12:56] <bazhang> rgr, lets move on
[12:56] <eltigre> zvacet, thanks
[12:56] <Eduard> Hell guys
[12:56] <jaredquinn> good idea..  I didn't literally swear, but the implication was definitely carried in what i said.  So you are both right.
[12:56] <Incarus6> did he say "hell"?
[12:56] <rgr> ban him! ;)
[12:56] <zetheroo> are there any known chipsets that are buggy with Unity?
[12:57] <velcroshooz> not important
[12:57] <zvacet> eltigre: np
[12:57] <rgr> why would chipsets be buggy with unity?
[12:57] <DirtyDawg> wow i am getting slow speed on the new release downloading
[12:57] <CVirus> What's Narwhal in Arabic :-D ?
[12:57] <Dr_Willis|2> they would be buggy with compiz :)
[12:57] <Incarus6> zetheroo, yes, all proprietary graphic cards arent supported in unity-3D
[12:57] <Eduard> Does anybody know, if the nasty broken dependencies on nvidia-96 drivers was fixed with 11.04?
[12:57] <kellnola> rgr, 'cause unity requires 3D
[12:57] <rgr> DirtyDawg: thats a surprise on release day.
[12:57] <jaredquinn> zetheroo:  Unity can't casuse you issues with teh chipset...
[12:57] <DirtyDawg> hehe
[12:57] <zetheroo> rgr: or Unity being buggy with chipsets ...
[12:57] <jatt> there is unity-2d
[12:57] <karlhunt> Im running sandy bridge which works ok but graphics is poor. 2d support only
[12:57] <karlhunt> lots of tearing etc
[12:57] <jaredquinn> zetheroo: but.. there has been a few issues with the Intel lappy chipsets .. but they have been a kernel issue.
[12:57] <zetheroo> Incarus6: Intel?
[12:57] <Eduard> Does anybody know, if the nasty broken dependencies on nvidia-96 drivers was fixed with 11.04?
[12:57] <rgr> karlhunt: which drivers?
[12:57] <Incarus6> karlhunt, did you try the latest manline kernel?
[12:57] <karlhunt> default
[12:58] <zetheroo> jaredquinn: darn .. that is too bad
[12:58] <vega> !repeat | eduard
[12:58] <Incarus6> zetheroo, intel drivers arent proprietary, as I remember
[12:58] <CVirus> الناروال الأنيق ؟
[12:58] <rgr> Eduard: nvidia issues? have you used sgfxi?
[12:58] <karlhunt> Incarus6, I just keep up to date with the ubuntu kernel
[12:58] <Eduard> rgr: sec
[12:58] <karlhunt> is there a more upstream one?
[12:58] <g4> so how is unity compared to docky? Is it a step forward or something different?
[12:58] <jatt> g4: is crap compared to gnome do
[12:59] <MaRk-I> !arabic | CVirus
[12:59] <zetheroo> I have a laptop with an Intel gfx chipset ... I would rather not upgrade only to find out the 3D Unity doesn't work ...
[12:59] <Eduard> rgr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/741930
[12:59] <rgr> There is a terrible tendency for those that offer the least help in this group to be the ones popping in with the most net nannying. Its very sad.
[12:59] <Eduard> rgr: no updates on it for quite a while
[12:59] <Incarus6> zetheroo, otherwise try unity-2D
[12:59] <karlhunt> zetheroo, unity worked on my old gma intel chipset but sandy bridge has a new one.
[12:59] <Incarus6> karlhunt, are you using 11.04?
[12:59] <zetheroo>  Incarus6: but I REALLY want the 3D :)
[12:59] <karlhunt> Incarus6, yup
[13:00] <Incarus6> karlhunt, Im not sure about the kernel version, what was it again in Natty?
[13:00] <rgr> Eduard: I had issues with liquorix kernels with nvidia too. I dropped the liquorix usage as a result.
[13:00] <karlhunt> Incarus6, been running beta for a few weeks and did a dist-upgrade last night
[13:00] <jaredquinn> zetheroo: what chipset are you on?
[13:00] <zetheroo> karlhunt: mine is Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
[13:00] <karlhunt> Incarus6, 2.6.38-8-generic
[13:00] <rgr> Intel graphics?
[13:01] <tomasz> it will be google-earth on ubuntu 11.04 ?
[13:01] <rgr> good luck with that..
[13:01] <zetheroo> jaredquinn: GM965/GL96
[13:01] <Incarus6> karlhunt, yeah, that looks actual. I read something about the sandy bridge drivers in the changelog. cant remember if it was 2.6.38 or 2.6.39
[13:01] <karlhunt> I think my chip is an intel hd3000 whatever that is
[13:02] <zetheroo> how do I know if mine is a "sandy bridge" chipset?
[13:02] <Incarus6> zetheroo, I wasn't talking to you?
[13:02] <jaredquinn> zetheroo: is that the same driver as the i915 / Arrandale?
[13:02] <genupulas> hi friends ...we all know that ubuntu partitions are going to be mounted without any password . but i wanna make some security to my harddisk partitions while mounting them . so can any one help me to solve this problem
[13:03] <jaredquinn> zetheroo: I think it is.
[13:03] <Incarus6> dammit, I can't upgrade
[13:03] <zetheroo> zetheroo: you asked me what my chipset was ...
[13:03] <jaredquinn> zetheroo: my problem is only when the screen is coming back after a hibernate
[13:03] <LjL> genupulas: you'd have to encrypt them, i don't think it's entirely trivial
[13:03] <vibhav> offically realesed now?
[13:03] <LjL> vibhav: yes
[13:03] <bazhang> vibhav, yes
[13:03] <genupulas> LjL:  how can i do that
[13:03] <Eduard> guys, where do i find 11.04 release notes?
[13:03] <zetheroo> jaredquinn: ok ... well I don't hibernate my machine ...
[13:03] <karlhunt> zetheroo, did you buy it in the last 2 months and is it core i5/i7 if not then unlikely
[13:03] <tomasz> jaredquinn try 2 times press change screen on keyboard
[13:03] <vibhav> OK!
[13:04] <tomasz> Fn + F4 i have
[13:04] <zetheroo> karlhunt: hehe ... ok ... nah this is an R61 Thinkpad ... C2D
[13:04] <tomasz> screen back
[13:04] <karlhunt> zetheroo, your graphics will be fine
[13:04] <zetheroo> cool
[13:04] <zetheroo> then I am really tempted to upgrade :)
[13:04] <padi999_> Can anyone give me a decent network traffic controller (ping and alerts if rtt reaches a certain #ms) with graphic UI preferably? The built in NM in ubuntu 10.10 does not work. Thank you for your appreciation.
[13:04] <genupulas> LjL:  now i am doing in my college system .do i have any links for this . i
[13:05] <LjL> genupulas: i can't point you to a specific document because help.ubuntu.com has a few of them and i honestly don't know which ones are currently recommended. try skimming through the stuff at http://www.google.com/search?q=encrypt+partitions+site:help.ubuntu.com
[13:05] <Incarus6> whooot, I cant upgrade :D can someone have a look: http://pastebin.com/ac3tH5g5
[13:05] <jaredquinn> zetheroo: just do it :)
[13:05] <jaredquinn> zetheroo: I've been running it for a couple of weeks.. and not had any major issues
[13:05] <zetheroo>  jaredquinn: they always say that ... .
[13:05] <genupulas> LjL:  cool , i hope ubuntu forums can solve this . ....any way thanks man
[13:06] <MaRk-I> !encryption | genupulas
[13:06] <kellnola> zetheroo, yeah, if all you use the computer for is web browsing and irc ... I am frankly horrified about video editing. 10.10 is bad enough
[13:06] <genupulas> MaRk-I:  thank you man
[13:06] <jaredquinn> Incarus6: you've a bunch of stuff installed from other repos?   I'm guessing maybe Ubuntu Studio?
[13:07] <zetheroo>  jaredquinn: ok ... here goes everything ... ;)
[13:07] <Incarus6> jaredquinn, yeah.. but not ubuntu studio... any idea how I can upgrade? (or which package that causes? (maybe xorg))
[13:08] <zetheroo> kellnola: I do a bit more than browsing and irc ... but no production level stuff
[13:08] <genupulas> MaRk-I:  that is great . i hope this can solve my issue .
[13:08] <jaredquinn> icewaterman: how did you start your upgrade?
[13:08] <MaRk-I> genupulas: yw, good luck
[13:08] <avij> hi, can someone please point me to an Ubuntu mirror that is a) accessible with rsync and b) carries the .iso images and c) is located somewhere in Europe. I'd like to conserve some bandwidth by rsyncing from the beta2 .iso images that I already have.
[13:08] <Incarus6> jaredquinn, line 588 could cause that problem
[13:08] <falxx> do-release-upgrade tells me that I can't upgrade, I believe that's because I've installed kde from ppa on my current system.. what's the way forward from there?
[13:09] <kellnola> falxx, I would remove any ppa's before upgrading. and remove the software first
[13:09] <Incarus6> falxx, isnt related with the KDE ppa
[13:10] <jaredquinn> icewaterman: did you answer how you kicked that upgrade off?
[13:10] <falxx> incarus6: oh, well, may be virtualbox then?
[13:10] <Incarus6> falxx, pls paste /var/log/dist-upgrade/ files
[13:10] <zvacet> Incarus6:  try apt-get -f install
[13:11] <zvacet> Incarus6: sudo apt-get -f install
[13:11] <benovic> HI Guys, I get strange outbound connections from unison-gtk, e.g. to 209.85.149.102 (google). Its firestarter displaying me these connections. Can somebody explain what happens?
[13:11] <Incarus6> zvacet, isn't working (it is working but doesnt fix it), because all dependencies are correct. it seems to be a too new xorg version, so I have to fix it by hand
[13:11] <velcroshooz> can anyone running 11.04 confirm the seperate wallpaper for dual monitor bug is gone? in 10.10 you need to ctrl alt f7 /ctrl alt f1 for it to work
[13:12] <zvacet> Incarus6:  ok then I didn' try natty yet
[13:12] <Incarus6> zvacet, im still in 10.10
[13:12]  * AdmV0rl0n hates unity :/
[13:12] <jaredquinn> Incarus6: did you do a update-manager and then let it handle all the other bits?
[13:12] <jaredquinn> AdmV0rl0n: why?
[13:13] <Incarus6> jaredquinn, yes. did you look at line 588?
[13:13] <karlhunt> When my screen dims it lags coming back out. Im going to try an upstream kernel
[13:14] <jaredquinn> Incarus6: the one that says   Fixing mountall:i386 via keep of plymouth:i386
[13:14] <Incarus6> jaredquinn, http://pastebin.com/ac3tH5g5 no
[13:16] <obscurant1st> apt-get dist-upgrade is it enough for updating my beta natty to the final release?
[13:16] <jaredquinn> obscurant1st: should be
[13:16] <ashmew2> if you need to do it cli-based try do-release-upgrade (should be in the package update-manager-core)
[13:17] <obscurant1st> ashmew2, do-release-upgrade ?
[13:17]  * ugisozols starting upgrade
[13:17] <ashmew2> yeah
[13:17] <Incarus6> this **** log files doesnt tell me anything :D
[13:17]  * ashmew2 starting upgrade. :)
[13:17]  * Incarus6 starting fixing
[13:17] <jaredquinn> ashmew2:  he is already running the 11.04 beta
[13:17] <falxx> icarus6: allright, pasting 1450 lines
[13:17] <zvacet> ashmew2:  he is upgrading from beta so there is no need for that
[13:18] <ashmew2> jaredquinn: OH !. i must have overlooked
[13:18] <ashmew2> sorry
[13:18] <ashmew2> =/
[13:18] <ashmew2> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:18] <obscurant1st> so apt-get dist-upgrade is fine?
[13:18] <Pici> obscurant1st: yes
[13:18] <ashmew2> yes. (lol...)
[13:18] <zvacet> ashmew2:  ;)
[13:18] <obscurant1st> and btw is there anyway I can check if its final?
[13:18] <falxx> Incarus6: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600238/ - quite broken I would think
[13:18] <Incarus6> falxx, link?
[13:18] <obscurant1st> final release*
[13:19] <ashmew2> zvacet :: hehe :P
[13:19] <zvacet> lsb_release -a
[13:19] <AdmV0rl0n> jaredquinn: there isn't even one likeable aspect to unity. not for me anyway. don't worry, I feel the same about gmone3 also. I have no idea what the UI designers think they are doing, but they are not building anything of value.
[13:19] <mithran> hi all, is there a good application i can use to keep track of tasks, with that minimizes to the tray maybe?
[13:19] <obscurant1st> zvacet, thanks
[13:19] <Incarus6> falxx, look at line 438
[13:19] <edheldil> Hi all, after a (seeminglly harmless) upgrade of Lucid kvm-qemu package to 0.12.3+noroms-0ubuntu9.5, the VMs do not open VNC ports, not even from monitor console, regardless of port number. VMs otherwise run normally. Has anyone encountered this?
[13:19] <zvacet> obscurant1st: yw
[13:19] <genupulas> falxx how u guys are going to analyse this much ....where is the mistake ?
[13:20] <Incarus6> genupulas, he cant upgrade
[13:20] <bencc> is it ok to create a user with name "user" ?
[13:20] <Guest7243> hello, is there any website about unity?
[13:20] <kellnola> bencc, yes but it isn't very useful
[13:20] <falxx> Incarus6: yeah, and then 200 more of those.. uninstall all packages marked as broken?
[13:20] <bencc> kellnola: why not?
[13:20] <Soothsayer> Guest7243: what about it ?
[13:21] <genupulas> Incarus6:  how  can you say that  ? how you have analysed that
[13:21] <zvacet> bencc:  name it as you wish
[13:21] <velcroshooz> bencc, sure why not.
[13:21] <Incarus6> falxx, are you sure, tha package "amd64" is in the repo? that package seems to be the reason
[13:21] <henux> hi
[13:21] <Soothsayer> why is the ubuntu website broken ?
[13:21] <jatt> Guest7243: -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/648180
[13:21] <Guest7243> Soothsayer: so I can check out some screenshots or videos? :)
[13:21] <henux> quup: hi
[13:21] <Incarus6> genupulas, he said it isn't working, wer are analysing the log files now
[13:21] <quup> henux: hello
[13:21] <falxx> Incarus6: "ure"?
[13:21] <Soothsayer> Guest7243: omgubuntu.co.uk/natty/
[13:21] <bencc> zvacet: velcroshooz:  I thought there is a reserved name or something
[13:21] <quup> Soothsayer: because no one could have predicted the extra traffic today :p
[13:21] <Incarus6> falxx, "ure"?
[13:21] <kellnola> bencc, well, if everyone did that ...
[13:22] <Guest7243> Soothsayer: thanks!
[13:22] <falxx> Incarus6: ure [ amd64 ] it says
[13:22] <velcroshooz> bencc, dont name another one root, thats about it
[13:22] <zvacet> Soothsayer:  overloaded probably  :)
[13:22] <falxx> Incarus6: its just the arch
[13:22] <Soothsayer> well.. ye some dependencies css, js files, etc are not loading
[13:22]  * kellnola is waiting until June to dist-upgrade
[13:23] <genupulas> Incarus6:  you mean the entire code he has given ....
[13:23] <bencc> zvacet: velcroshooz: kellnola: ok, thanks.
[13:23] <Soothsayer> why is the 32-bit 'recommended' ?
[13:23] <Incarus6> falxx.. i never said "ure" *confused* or right.. the package ure... yeah, that could cause the problem
[13:23] <falxx> but hey, I can just remove openoffice for now
[13:23] <zvacet> Soothsayer: everyone want new release at first day so we all can have problems with servers
[13:23] <henux> ubuntu.com works for me
[13:23] <william2> I've installed vnc4server and ubuntu desktop.  I started :1 and killed it to create the config file for VNC.  I get the error "GTK-Warning ** cannot open display" when I execute "sudo gedit ~/.vnc/xstartup".  How can I remedy this?
[13:23] <Incarus6> genupulas, its a log file (var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log
[13:23] <bencc> Soothsayer: for most use cases it takes less memory
[13:23] <jatt> 64-bit as a long history of trouble in the desktop
[13:23] <jbwiv___> is the website hosed for anyone else (from a stylesheet perspective?
[13:23] <kellnola> TORRENTS people
[13:23] <kellnola> jatt, yeah like 4 years ago
[13:23] <velcroshooz> batman people
[13:23] <Psydoll> Hello I need some help please!
[13:23] <jbwiv___> jatt, rly? I've run 64-bit on the desktop for years with no problem
[13:23] <bencc> Soothsayer: if you have more than 4GB of ram, maybe you need the 64bit (on windows you do)
[13:24] <zvacet> kellnola:  +1
[13:24] <Incarus6> jbwiv___, it was, reload cache
[13:24] <Soothsayer> true
[13:24] <Psydoll> Does anyone here use any kind of programe for linux like photoshop???
[13:24] <Incarus6> !ask | psydoll
[13:24] <kellnola> Psydoll, gimp is the best by far
[13:24] <[TK]D-Fender> Psydoll: GIMP
[13:24] <velcroshooz> Psydoll, gimp
[13:24] <Psydoll> gimp i see!
[13:24] <ubuntu> Higlighted icons for Kaffeine and Amarok in launcher (or dash) look like disaster...
[13:24] <velory1> Hi, 11.04 released today right ?
[13:24] <kellnola> Psydoll, but it does not have all the features of photoshop 4 or 5
[13:25] <PhoenixSTF> velory1, yes
[13:25] <Psydoll> sudo apt-get install gimp?
[13:25] <velory1> asking this because I was using 11.04 beta and today I can't see any update
[13:25] <zvacet> velory1:  it is out
[13:25] <jatt> kellnola: o'rly? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/linux/+bug/659143
[13:25] <velory1> zvacet, PhoenixS ^^
[13:25] <jatt> 64-bit is a pain in the neck
[13:25] <jatt> anyway
[13:26] <zvacet> Psydoll:  I think you have gimp by default
[13:26] <jatt> so the sane thing to do is to use 32bit you won't lose performance or anything
[13:26] <Psydoll> zvacet i cant find it under applications?
[13:26] <falxx> works fine for me
[13:26] <jatt> unless you need lots of ram
[13:26] <AdmV0rl0n> I'll torrent the new release for a while. Should help as its a 100MB connection.
[13:26] <velory1> so can't we update from rc to release version or did I already updated?
[13:26] <falxx> 8gb mem, I need 64bit
[13:26] <velcroshooz> gimp is not installed by default.
[13:26] <velory1> how can I know
[13:26] <arand> jatt: It's the other way around.
[13:26] <KM0201> velcroshooz: i don't think it was in in 10.10 either
[13:26] <zvacet> Psydoll: under graphic I think (I'm not at ubuntu comp right now)
[13:26] <kellnola> is gimp stil under active development? it doesn't seem to have moved forward in a while
[13:27] <Psydoll> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install gimp
[13:27] <Psydoll> Reading package lists... Done
[13:27] <Psydoll> Building dependency tree
[13:27] <Psydoll> Reading state information... Done
[13:27] <Psydoll> E: Unable to locate package gimp
[13:27] <FloodBot2> Psydoll: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:27] <LjL> !info gimp
[13:27] <Psydoll> sorry i got that errir
[13:27] <Incarus6> kellnola, yes, gimp 3 is to be released soon
[13:27] <kellnola> Incarus6, \o/
[13:27] <Psydoll> zvacet its not there it doesnt come with it
[13:27] <KM0201> Psydoll: its int he repos, cuz i installed it, check your repository listing
[13:27] <LjL> Psydoll: uhm. please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources
[13:27] <velcroshooz> gimp is soon to hit a new milestone, still inder active development
[13:27] <LjL> Psydoll: uhm. please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:27] <trans> hello guys, just upgraded to natty, how to get dash full screen by default
[13:27] <william2> I get the error "GTK-Warning ** cannot open display" when I execute "sudo gedit ~/.vnc/xstartup".  What can I do?
[13:27] <velory1> can't I update from RC version to Release version or how can I know which version I'm using right now ?
[13:27] <Incarus6> kellnola, they got a slow programming progress ;)
[13:27] <kellnola> trans, ? ctrl-alt F1
[13:27] <LjL> william2: use gksudo gedit instead
[13:28] <jrib> !final | velory1
[13:28] <tsaknorris> william2: your DM isnt running :/
[13:28] <arand> jatt: 64bit is almost always better as far as performance goes, and PAE allows using < 64G memoery on 32bit..
[13:28] <zvacet> Psydoll:  enable universe repo in ubuntu software center>edit>repositories
[13:28] <tsaknorris> william2: if you use gnome its GDM
[13:28] <william2> hmm
[13:28] <VlRUS> :(
[13:28] <VlRUS> I hate natty whale
[13:28] <VlRUS> :S
[13:29] <VlRUS> I don't have full window effect
[13:29] <VlRUS> why?
[13:29] <velcroshooz> he is a narwhal, big differnece
[13:29] <Incarus6> VlRUS, are u using Unity?
[13:29] <william2> I tried sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[13:29] <VlRUS> Nop
[13:29] <VlRUS> Ubuntu classic
[13:29] <velory1> jrib:  so is it possible to learn which version I'm using ?
[13:29] <Incarus6> VlRUS, sure you arent?
[13:29] <LjL> william2: do you currently have a graphical desktop, or not?
[13:29] <william2> nope
[13:29] <jrib> !version | velory1
[13:29] <tsaknorris> william2: ok nothing happened??
[13:29] <VlRUS> I'm using Gnome
[13:29] <kellnola> really, 32 bit is for 1GB or less, anything more gives a performance hit vs. 64 bit. I can't imagine anyone having 1GB on a desktop these days. I am broke and have the mem.
[13:29] <Incarus6> william2, better try "sudo start gdm" or "sudo stop gdm"
[13:29] <LjL> william2: then gedit won't work. use "sudo nano" instead, it's quite easy to use as an editor
[13:30] <velory1> jrib:  thanks
[13:30] <william2> It saok
[13:30] <velcroshooz> kellnola, some of us dont want to deal with multilib issues, so stick with 32
[13:30] <VlRUS> And I installed amd radeon 6850 hd drivers (catalyst) and i haven't fully window effects
[13:30] <VlRUS> :S
[13:30] <velory1> where can we look window effects ?
[13:30] <william2> Sudo start gdm > job is already running: gdm
[13:31] <kellnola> velcroshooz, yeah. One of the things RHEL actually did right was make all 32 bit libs and apps available by just appending ".i386" to the package name
[13:31] <tsaknorris> william2: alt + f7
[13:31] <zvacet> velory1:  system>preferences>appearance
[13:32] <Jarod51> Hi
[13:32] <william2> sorry im in SSH
[13:32] <velcroshooz> kellnola, i have to run wine still so 64 bit makes me jump through a few hooops i would rather not
[13:32] <zfk> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/218010_1973723108619_1409281673_2277450_8019470_n.jpg
[13:32] <william2> i can load vnc session :1 and see a terminal box
[13:32] <william2> but that's it
[13:32] <velory1> zvacet:  because of new (on the left) menu I can't find system > preferences :Ğ
[13:32] <velory1> :P
[13:32] <william2> i have installed gnome
[13:32] <william2> hmm
[13:32] <FloodBot2> william2: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:32] <zfk> I SAID SAUSAGE MCMUFFIN YOU FAGGOTS NOT SAUSAGE MCGRIDDLE
[13:32]  * zfk pukes
[13:32] <FloodBot2> zfk: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:32] <tsaknorris> william2: but that other computer where you have connection
[13:32] <tsaknorris> william2: is there GDM
[13:32] <velory1> zvacet:  there's no window effects tab
[13:32] <zvacet> velory1:  using natty?
[13:32] <william2> no im on a mac
[13:33] <Jarod51> I have upgraded to 11.04 and that is reaaaaaaally nice ! I have a just alittle problem. I have a dual screen setup and my unity launcher is on th wrong one... how do i move it ?
[13:33] <velory1> zvacet:  yes
[13:33] <LjL> zfk: join #ubuntu-ops if you wish to be unmuted
[13:33] <william2> sorry, let me clarify. i'm trying to get vnc remote desktop sessions running on a vps
[13:33] <VlRUS> I have Ubuntu 11.04 natthy whale final version Buuuuuuuut i don't have window effects!! Extra effects i'm telling T.T
[13:33] <zvacet> velory1:  sorry then I didn't try it yet
[13:33] <william2> i just installed ubuntu 10.04 lts
[13:33] <kellnola> Jarod51, switch the cables? :/
[13:33] <jnlsnl_> sd
[13:33] <Jarod51> kellnola, hé hé hé
[13:33] <kellnola> Jarod51, you can do it in Xorg.conf
[13:34] <sdh> i think the "-d" in "do-release-upgrade -d" can be removed now from the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[13:34] <Incarus6> sdh, I think so too
[13:35] <william2> tsaknorris: you still there? :p
[13:35] <tsaknorris> william2: yes i am
[13:35] <VlRUS> Where can I find this window in 11.04? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kzYRFxk8_bE/SK6-ymhKRzI/AAAAAAAAABE/kDRms8Ub4Hc/s320/Screenshot-Appearance+Preferences.png
[13:35] <tsaknorris> william2: i know that you can startup graphics with ssh
[13:35] <tsaknorris> william2: there is own parameter for that
[13:35] <histo> VlRUS: hit window key and type in appearance
[13:36] <VlRUS> window key?
[13:36] <histo> VlRUS: nvm they got rid of it. You'd have to install compizconfig-settings-manager if you want to add more effects
[13:36] <v_v> i just installed 11.04, and it seems awesome
[13:36] <DETERMIN> same here v
[13:37] <v_v> :)
[13:37] <kellnola> wait, does unity use compiz or does it have it's own thing?
[13:37] <velcroshooz> kellnola, usews compiz
[13:37] <tsaknorris> william2: -X parameter read from man ssh
[13:37] <v_v> compiz is on
[13:37] <rumpe1> kellnola, now compiz, somewhere in the far future wayland...
[13:37] <william2> tsaknorris: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600248/
[13:37] <Psydoll> whats GOING ON?
[13:37] <DarkStar1> can someone help me pls with openldap configuration pls? the slapd.conf file doesn't exist despite the fact that the daemon runs
[13:37] <LjL> Psydoll: i don't know, what is?
[13:37] <Psydoll> CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO PLAY EVE ONLINE ON UBUNTU?
[13:38] <LjL> !caps | Psydoll
[13:38] <Psydoll> ok
[13:38] <tsaknorris> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600249/
[13:38] <Psydoll> sorry
[13:38] <kellnola> DarkStar1, IIRC, isn't it in /etc/slapd/ ?
[13:38] <tsaknorris> william2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600249/
[13:38] <DarkStar1> Psydoll: wine/virtualbox => windows => ubuntu :0
[13:38] <william2> ok
[13:38] <[TK]D-Fender> Psydoll: http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&xhr=t&q=eve+online+ubuntu&cp=13&pf=p&sclient=psy&biw=1920&bih=1115&source=hp&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=eve+online+ub&pbx=1&fp=8b5a1f5ac460de07
[13:39] <An_Ony_Moose> this laptop often shuts down randomly after a while. I can't find anything indicating a reason for this in syslog, where should I look? It seems to be a normal shutdown as started by running sudo halt - windows close one by one until only the desktop background is visible, then the normal splash screen shows up and the computer turns off after a while.
[13:39] <[TK]D-Fender> PsyI see more than half a dozen "how-to's" in the first page of results...
[13:39] <DarkStar1> kellnola: no such directory..
[13:39] <v_v> i tried 11.04 on my box. im considering  replace the debian on my laptop
[13:39] <DarkStar1> kellnola: and I have installed slapd twice now
[13:39] <Incarus6> An_Ony_Moose
[13:39] <Incarus6> An_Ony_Moose, did you google the issue. sry
[13:40] <kellnola> DarkStar1, dpkg -L slapd
[13:40] <nameless`> english question : is the sentence « he's a man of the good » correct ? or grammatically right ?
[13:40] <kellnola> nameless`, no
[13:40] <kellnola> grammatically, yes I suppose
[13:41] <nameless`> kellnola: even in a book ? something unusual ?n
[13:41] <VlRUS> Uhm
[13:41] <kellnola> nameless`, well if it's creative writing ok
[13:41] <velcroshooz> nameless`, it works, he's a good man is more appropriate these days, but whatev
[13:42] <An_Ony_Moose> Incarus6: what should I google? ubuntu shutdown? It isn't a very specific issue and I'd like to know where to look for a reason.
[13:42] <nameless`> velcroshooz: kellnola thanks to both of you
[13:42] <thegoodcushion> Hi everyone.  My Ubuntu can't seem to access the repos.  Is that because of overuse?
[13:42] <nameless`> thegoodcushion: did you try to apt-get update before ?
[13:42] <thegoodcushion> nameless`: That won't complete
[13:43] <nameless`> thegoodcushion: change your mirrors then
[13:43] <DJones> thegoodcushion: Most likely, with it being a new release, the servers will be under heavy use
[13:43] <thegoodcushion> nameless`: It's saying "Downloaded 0B of 1B"
[13:43] <thegoodcushion> it's ridiculous
[13:44] <Incarus6> An_Ony_Moose, it could be an issue related to your hardware. sounds like a problem with overheating or in general something like that (energy saving?). Or it could be that you press the wrong buttons
[13:44] <thegoodcushion> anyway I suppose I can live with a couple of days of no repo
[13:44] <DarkStar1> anyon else? since kellnola has disappeared?
[13:44] <Incarus6> thegoodcushion, you can try to change the update server to a local one instead of the generl servers
[13:45] <thegoodcushion> ok
[13:45] <Incarus6> DarkStar1, explain the exact problem
[13:45] <thegoodcushion> So what's the verdict on 11.04?
[13:45] <jatt> don't upgrade
[13:45] <Incarus6> can't upgrade
[13:46] <thegoodcushion> I'm a bit unsure about Unity
[13:46] <^Phantom^> i have more info on the minecraft crashing issue
[13:46] <AdmV0rl0n> I'm not.
[13:46] <^Phantom^> here's a pastebin of the java console output
[13:46] <^Phantom^> http://pastebin.com/9Wk10TPt
[13:46] <DarkStar1> Incarus6: I've installed slapd twice now and trying to configure it, and check the conf file for errors because I can't add schemas to openldap but it doesn't have a slapd.conf file as listed by the tutorials
[13:46] <AdmV0rl0n> Unity isn't for me.
[13:47] <AdmV0rl0n> Not unless it goes through a sever amount of adding configurability to it.
[13:47] <thegoodcushion> is it as simple as just selecting not to use it?
[13:47] <buff27> AdmV0rl0n, not for me either.... I moved to Xubuntu
[13:47] <Flynsarmy> I installed pidgin and closed the contact list. i have a contact window open. How do i get the contact list back? Clicking on the pidgin icon in the unity bar on the left does nothing. there's no system tray icon.
[13:47] <petisnnake> hello, where can I find the httpd binary?
[13:47] <buff27> thegoodcushion, log into clasic desktop instead
[13:47] <AdmV0rl0n> gnome 3 isn't for me either.
[13:47] <Incarus6> DarkStar1, sometimes ubuntu tries to find the right configuration and you dont have a configuration file by default (like xorg.conf), so you have to create it. or did it change the "position" / directory?
[13:47] <thegoodcushion> buff27: is it as simple as that?
[13:48] <Macer> hm. found some cpus for my ubuntu server for $50
[13:48] <thegoodcushion> AdmV0rl0n: are you a KDE man?
[13:48] <AdmV0rl0n> nope
[13:48] <Macer> 2.6 dual core opterons.. awesome
[13:48] <buff27> thegoodcushion, pretty much for 11.04
[13:48] <Macer> i have 2 dual core 1.8 265s now :)
[13:48] <thegoodcushion> buff27: I worry that the GNOME environment won't be as well-supported as Ubuntu moves away from it
[13:48] <buff27> thegoodcushion, 11.10 may not be
[13:48] <Macer> that should be a good bump
[13:48] <AdmV0rl0n> I have not liked much now for a long time. I think most of the desktop direction is wrong, is bad, and seems to be being built for tablets, not desktops.
[13:48] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom^: so you didnt got that SUN JAVA even minecraft needs it
[13:49] <maco> DarkStar1: dpkg -L slapd    <-- maybe there's a sample config file somewhere?
[13:49] <An_Ony_Moose> Incarus6: but how would I find out? /var/log/syslog tells me nothing useful, where else can I look?
[13:49] <LALALLAA> hello when come 11.10
[13:49] <nerdshell> When I try to open the settings of a virtual machine in VM Box it says "failed to access the USB subsystem". What can I do please ?
[13:49] <buff27> thegoodcushion, have you taken a look at what gnome is doing anyway....... looks similar to unity to me
[13:49] <^Phantom^> tsaknorris, I did, but I can't figure out how to launch it with that one via terminal
[13:49] <avij> hi, can someone please point me to an Ubuntu mirror that is a) accessible with rsync and b) carries the .iso images and c) is located somewhere in Europe. I'd like to conserve some bandwidth by rsyncing from the beta2 .iso images that I already have.
[13:49] <thegoodcushion> buff27: GNOME is not Unity
[13:49] <DarkStar1> Incarus6: no it didn't change directory but according to the document it comes with a config file but I don't see any in it's directory
[13:49] <Macer> uhm... is zfs built into the 11.04 install?
[13:49] <LALALLAA> hello when come 11.10
[13:49] <thegoodcushion> So any other opinions about 11.04 out there?
[13:49] <thegoodcushion> LALALLAA: October 2011
[13:49] <Incarus6> An_Ony_Moose, I can't help you with that, sry
[13:50] <An_Ony_Moose> Incarus6: ok, thanks anyway
[13:50] <Flynsarmy> anyone? seems like a pretty awful UI...can't even get the contact list back. no system tray icon
[13:50] <Kereltis> I just installed 11.04 and I'm loving it :)
[13:50] <buff27> thegoodcushion, i realise that, but gnome 3 screenshots (shell) look similar to unity shell
[13:50] <lukus> hi
[13:50] <arand> Macer: Not as far as I know, and likely might never be..
[13:50] <Incarus6> DarkStar1, /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't exist too, you have to create that file first
[13:50] <lukus> is natty good to go?
[13:50] <DarkStar1> maco: I grepped a .conf out of that just now and found just one file in the manual directory?
[13:50] <thegoodcushion> What's the gcc/clang on 11.04?
[13:50] <histo> avij: any of the mirrors should support rsync
[13:50] <nerdshell> !ubuntu+1 | lukus
[13:50] <brianl> So i was running the 11.04 beta release, and when i try and to an update, it says I can only do a partial upgrade?
[13:50] <thegoodcushion> which version I mean
[13:50] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom^: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[13:50] <Macer> arand: hopefully some day
[13:50] <histo> avij: rsync doesnt care where you are pulling from
[13:50] <nerdshell> When I try to open the settings of a virtual machine in VM Box it says "failed to access the USB subsystem". What can I do please ?
[13:50] <Pici> nerdshell: Natty is released.
[13:51] <^Phantom^> got it
[13:51] <maco> DarkStar1: thatd probably be a sensible place to put example files
[13:51] <lukus> nerdshell, I thought it had been released
[13:51] <Macer> anyways... bbl.. when the 11.04 hype dies down
[13:51] <^Phantom^> I have the runtime installed
[13:51] <thegoodcushion> nerdshell: that needs to be updated
[13:51] <AdmV0rl0n> er... distrowatch say its released
[13:51] <Macer> :)
[13:51] <thegoodcushion> 11.04 is officially released, the bot needs to be updated
[13:51] <fslima0> xubuntu 11.04 also released?
[13:51] <DarkStar1> Incarus6: it's a very complicated file to create and as it's supposed to have stuff in there that, when I read about, looks very complicated... Can't believe it's meant to be created by your average joe
[13:51] <nerdshell> When I try to open the settings of a virtual machine in VM Box it says "failed to access the USB subsystem". What can I do please ?
[13:51] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom^: replace jre also with jdk
[13:51] <Sidewinder1> !natty
[13:51] <DarkStar1> esp a beginner
[13:51] <numberto> My dash in ubuntu is not working - when I type to search for gedit, the circle just spins for couple of seconds and finds nothing
[13:52] <avij> histo: I wasn't able to find such a server. care to give me an example of a mirror that fulfills all the three conditions I mentioned?
[13:52] <brianl> So i was running the 11.04 beta release, and when i try and to an update, it says I can only do a partial upgrade? And that doesn't even seem to work...Am i not able to update via update-manager?
[13:52] <Pici> thegoodcushion: factoid updated.
[13:52] <histo> numberto: is it installed?
[13:52] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom^: and you cannot maybe use both javas..open and sun...you have to remove openjdk....
[13:52] <Sidewinder1> As above...
[13:52] <thegoodcushion> Pici: good work
[13:52] <numberto> histo: I installed ubuntu 11.04     3 days agon
[13:52] <Ongika> Ola bruderz
[13:52] <histo> numberto: no are you sure gedit is installed
[13:52] <^Phantom^> tsaknorris, so maybe it's still going through openjdk even though I choose sun?
[13:52] <Ongika> Pici bruder && ikonia bruder
[13:52] <numberto> yes
[13:52]  * ^Phantom^ goes and removes open
[13:53] <numberto> histo:  it does not find anything
[13:53] <thegoodcushion> Can anyone with 11.04 type gcc -v and clang -v and tell me what versions of each are installed by default?
[13:53] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom^: you can use synaptic package manager its easier....
[13:53] <Incarus6> DarkStar1, that could help: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/openldap-error-cant-find-slapd-conf-721784/
[13:53] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom^: yes
[13:53] <coz_> ^Phantom^,  open synaptic   hit search  and type  icedtea,,, remove all installed packages  and sun will be default at t hat point
[13:53] <numberto> histo:  neither alt + 2
[13:53] <jrib> thegoodcushion: packages.ubuntu.com is likely enough for you
[13:53] <^Phantom^> doing so now
[13:53] <Flynsarmy> Is there a way to attach menus back onto their app windows? having it in the top bar is very annoying
[13:53] <tsaknorris> im off now..bye all :)
[13:54] <coz_> oh boy ,, is everyone on natty now ?? :)
[13:54] <numberto> shuould I reinstall unity?
[13:54] <jatt> no
[13:54] <jatt> uninstall it
[13:54] <coz_> Flynsarmy,   you mean in Unity?
[13:54] <Flynsarmy> coz_: if i were allowed I would be using many creative words to describe how i feel about unity right about now lol
[13:54] <Flynsarmy> coz_: yep
[13:54] <coz_> Flynsarmy,  well no unless you log off and then change the session to classic gnome
[13:55] <histo> numberto: huh?
[13:55] <velcroshooz> Flynsarmy, on login you can choose ubuntu classic, gnome 2.x
[13:55] <Flynsarmy> velcroshooz: that'll only save me until they remove classic :(
[13:55] <[Soma]> I'd like to move the top-bar in unity to the bottom, which is the way I had it before upgrading to 11.04. but I'm not even able to right-click the top bar or drag it or do anything. suggestions?
[13:55] <coz_> Flynsarmy,  I hear you  for sure,,   Unity is best used on small screens  so   use classic gnome
[13:55] <cornel_> hello ll
[13:55] <Trashi1> whats the easiest way to add a shortcut to the new unity sidebar?
[13:55] <AceKing> Damn! took me 3 minutes to download 11.04! I'm surprised it wasn't slower with all the downloads going on.
[13:55] <velcroshooz> Flynsarmy, thats six months to the day at the VERY leats ;)
[13:55] <histo> Trashi1: drag it there
[13:55] <coz_> Flynsarmy,  if classic is removed at some point,, I am guessing it will be an easy install
[13:56] <jatt> lol not many people use ubuntu
[13:56] <Trashi1> histo: doesnt work
[13:56] <lukus> has anyone here upgraded to natty yet?
[13:56] <cornel_> i have one problem: "sudo: must be setuid root" in 10.04
[13:56] <numberto> histo:  I really don't know what to do.  I watched the video of new 11.04 and wanted to try it. I really love how it  look but most functions does not work. I wander if there something which didn't install correctly, just don't know how to find out
[13:56] <^Phantom^> okay, trying with openjdk uninstalled
[13:56] <Flynsarmy> i wonder if the point of unity was to make things easier to do or to hide things from the screen. seems everything takes at the bare minimum 1 extra click to do. hell - finding what apps you have installed is now a fight between man and machine
[13:56] <coz_> actually  there should be 2  releases   Unity   and ubuntu
[13:56] <launch> Hi, what is the difiference between version terminating by .10 and those   terminating by .04
[13:56] <thegoodcushion> For the record, clang 2.8 and gcc 4.5.2
[13:56] <coz_> at least that is my opinion
[13:56] <lukus> launch, its the month number
[13:56] <coz_> ok let me boot into natty
[13:57] <histo> launch: .10 comes out in october .04 is in april
[13:57] <launch> lukus, histo: thanks
[13:58] <lukus> so some people are having problems with natty?
[13:58] <[Soma]> wow having an app open in unity is annoying. and I can't even alt-tab into a new tab. I have to minimise my app so I can select another one. since of course there's no task bar either
[13:58] <[Soma]> :S
[13:58] <elb0w> If I upgrade to 11.04 what do I lose from 10.10?
[13:58] <^Phantom^> Seems to be running good so far
[13:58] <z0mbyk1d> ok, has anyone dist-upgraded to 11.04 from 10.10 server i386? have any 'gotchas' been discovered? :)
[13:58]  * ^Phantom^ knocks on wood
[13:59] <jatt> unity was intended to by an April 1.
[13:59] <Flynsarmy> has anyone got anything good to say about unity lol
[13:59] <jatt> joke
[13:59] <peto_> join
[13:59] <[Soma]> Flynsarmy : not yet :o
[13:59] <velcroshooz> this channel is going to be drowned with unity haters for the next few months :/
[13:59] <z0mbyk1d> haha
[13:59] <elb0w> how do I install gnome3 on 11.04?
[13:59] <z0mbyk1d> yeah i am not bothering with ubuntu desktop
[13:59] <z0mbyk1d> interested in server though...
[13:59] <[Soma]> I'd love to love unity, but I can't figure out how anything works.
[14:00] <LjL> !netsplit
[14:00] <OerHeks> elb0w, you can install the unstable ppa
[14:00] <HF_acid> [Soma]: I agree
[14:00] <[Soma]> it doesn't seem very handy :S
[14:00] <[TK]D-Fender> elb0w: http://www.google.ca/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=install+gnome3+on+11.04&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=8b5a1f5ac460de07
[14:00] <OerHeks> !gnome3
[14:00] <end_user> Unity in suffering
[14:00] <jatt> hehe
[14:00] <velcroshooz> i am not a guinea pig, i wait for everyone else to figure out the problems
[14:00] <elb0w> [TK]D-Fender, was asking here incase of the "DONT DO IT"
[14:01] <jatt> unity is beta
[14:01] <Flynsarmy> i dreaded icons on the left but they turned out to be a pleasant surprise so i went into this very open minded. but....the only real way to describe this is 'wtf'. what were they thinking?
[14:01] <HF_acid> hey guys, I just installed Natty and upon attempting to connect to the wireless it's asking for me to unlock the default keyring.  It's not the password I created on install and leaving it blank doesn't work either. I'm not using autologin which reportedly would create this prompt in order to create a password. Unfortunately I'm woefully lacking knowledge of the keyring system
[14:01] <jatt> can you move the unity bar to the bottom?
[14:01] <jatt> the left one
[14:01] <[TK]D-Fender> elb0w: Then you should have asked "Is it a bad idea to install Gnome3 on 11.04?"
[14:01] <MohammadAG> is there a way to upgrade without update-manager? dist-upgrade doesn't show any new packages
[14:02] <histo> jatt: let me check
[14:02] <coz_> elb0w,  if you install gnome3  it will break Unity
[14:02] <z0mbyk1d> MohammadAG: you need to update, safe-upgrade first
[14:02] <z0mbyk1d> so that the new update-manager can be installed
[14:02] <^Phantom^> Thank you for your time, everyone that helped me.  It is playing fine once again.
[14:02] <Soothsayer> If I'm going to dual boot windows 7 and ubuntu..
[14:02] <Soothsayer> If I'm going to dual boot windows 7 and ubuntu, all the NTFS partitions will be available to both right ?
[14:02] <jatt> histo: I guess is not possible?
[14:03] <HF_acid> Soothsayer: should be
[14:03] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: Yes
[14:03] <palmje> Soothsayer: linux can read/write ntfs partitions
[14:03] <Soothsayer> So that means even the main Windows 7 partition will be available ?
[14:03] <Soothsayer> where the windows os is installed?
[14:03] <MohammadAG> z0mbyk1d, well, update-manager's crashing/hanging when I click upgrade, so I'm looking for another way to do that
[14:03] <arand> HF_acid: Go into passwords and encryption keys, I presume is should be there, you can delete it from there which will re-make it next time..
[14:03] <launch> yes
[14:03] <blacknumber> yes
[14:03] <blacknumber> it is
[14:03] <histo> jatt: I don't see a way but you can check. If you install compizconfig-settings-manager it will give you all theoptions to configure unity
[14:04] <coz_> Soothsayer,  yes although I would google      ubuntu dual boot  windows 7   to be sure there are no particular things that have to be done
[14:04] <elb0w> coz_, do you promise? haha
[14:04] <elb0w> Will it break anything else?
[14:04] <HF_acid> arand: thanks I'll give it a try
[14:04] <jatt> histo: I am using unity-2d
[14:04] <jatt> histo: no compiz I guess
[14:04] <kristoffer_> whats the relase room?
[14:04] <velcroshooz> always expect it to break everything.
[14:04] <ImperialXT> I'm sure this has been answered a hundred times already, but is there anyway to install gnome 3 on 11.04 ? I know it doesn't come with it by default
[14:04] <elb0w> guess ill wait a bit then before I put it on my dev box
[14:04] <coz_> elb0w,    that one I am not sure,,, you could remove unity,,, and then install gnome3  ,, however,,, gnome3 uses mutter as the compositor,, I dont think it can   compete with compiz
[14:04] <histo> !party > kristoffer_
[14:05] <DirtyDawg> quick Question guys, if i am doing a regular install and not a wubi one, and i am using 2 partitions (3 inc swap) one for / and one for home, what size / should be a good size
[14:05] <HF_acid> ImperialXT: I heard there's a PPA if you want to try that, I have no experience with it though
[14:05] <ImperialXT> HF_acid:  kk ty
[14:05] <arand> DirtyDawg: ~20G
[14:05] <brianl> Has anyone been able to upgrade to the 11.04 release from the 11.04 beta release through update-manager??
[14:05] <Schoentoon> Hello, are there any easy ways to get a touch screen to work on ubuntu?
[14:05] <DirtyDawg> arand: k mate thx
[14:05] <Pici> !final | brianl
[14:05] <zamba> 11.04 is LTS?
[14:05] <Omega> Good day #ubuntu, it's going to be a long day today :)
[14:06] <Pici> zamba: No.
[14:06] <arand> DirtyDawg: Or, well with a separate home, you'll probably be more thatn fine with ~10G
[14:06] <zamba> Pici: when's the next LTS out?
[14:06] <velcroshooz> DirtyDawg, the OS requires around 4 gigs, so how much you need for apps and ata outside of that is your decision
[14:06] <coz_> brianl,   all you need to do is  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  to get up to speed
[14:06] <brianl> That is what I have been doing
[14:06] <pioruns_> Hi guys. I wanted to report an issue: when I boot Ubuntu 11.04, it stops loading. And doing nothing, until I press ENTER. It happen on boot screen (this bronze background, and nothing else, even Ubuntu logo). Where I should report it, which package to report (Launchpad?). I'm using Nvidia proprietary driver.
[14:06] <DirtyDawg> kk
[14:06] <zamba> Pici: lucid is the current LTS, right?
[14:06] <ImperialXT> zamba: 12.04
[14:06] <Pici> zamba: 12.04 (2012, April)
[14:06] <z0mbyk1d> how do i upgrade the server edition from maverick to natty??
[14:06] <zamba> aight
[14:06] <thien> which one should i choose to install ubuntu, ext3 or ext4?
[14:06] <z0mbyk1d> aptitude dist-upgrade doesn't do anything
[14:06] <Pici> z0mbyk1d: sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:06] <z0mbyk1d> ahh right
[14:06] <Pici> !dist-upgrade | z0mbyk1d
[14:06] <z0mbyk1d> any gotchas with server pici?
[14:06] <z0mbyk1d> like, should I not do it?
[14:06] <zamba> does 11.04 include a kernel for running as domU on xen?
[14:06] <Pici> z0mbyk1d: I didn't have any issues here.
[14:06] <brianl> coz_, Its saying I can only do a partial upgrade?
[14:06] <coz_> z0mbyk1d,    try sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade
[14:07] <NerdPatrol> Hello ALL! I just woke up - Is Natty out yet?
[14:07] <z0mbyk1d> i dont use apt-get
[14:07] <coz_> brianl,  ooo
[14:07] <z0mbyk1d> i'll use do-release-upgrade
[14:07] <z0mbyk1d> thanks pici
[14:07] <coz_> brianl,  well right now I cant even get an update / upgrade,,, the servers are bogged down,, so hold on for a bit
[14:07]  * ImperialXT slaps NerdPatrol and points at the topic
[14:07] <z0mbyk1d> gonna be pissed if it breaks this system
[14:07] <SeRVeR01> NerdPatrol, it's out
[14:07] <pioruns_> Hi guys. I wanted to report an issue: when I boot Ubuntu 11.04, it stops loading. And doing nothing, until I press ENTER. It happen on boot screen (this bronze background, and nothing else, even Ubuntu logo). Where I should report it, which package to report (Launchpad?). I'm using Nvidia proprietary driver.
[14:07] <z0mbyk1d> it's my monitoring machine
[14:07] <z0mbyk1d> mysql, cacti, nagios, etc
[14:07] <brianl> coz_, Yeah, I guess that is the same problem I am having, it won't let me upgrade anything :D
[14:08] <brianl> coz_, E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. <-- error I am getting when trying to update
[14:08] <ImperialXT> I had to remove my ppa's
[14:08] <ubuntutryout777> good day. im on a LIVE CD right now, but i have no settings for compiz or any graphic effecs. no unity either. what can i do?
[14:08] <ImperialXT> from my update list
[14:09] <Soothsayer> sorry, back.
[14:09] <brianl> ImperialXT, ppa's?
[14:09] <coz_> brianl,  ok open synaptic package manager and under the "Edit"  menu   click   "fix broken packages"
[14:09] <ImperialXT> !ppa brianl
[14:09] <ImperialXT> !ppa | brianl
[14:09] <HF_acid> ubuntutryout777: that's typical of the live cd, I'm not sure if you can force enable them, but after install unity and the like worked just fine
[14:11] <ubuntutryout777> HF_acid, you mean after you installed the ubuntu on harddrive, or do you have to install unity manually? i thought its on the ISO already.
[14:11] <brianl> coz_, Okay thanks, ill try again
[14:11] <brianl> ImperialXT, okay thank you
[14:11] <Soothsayer> I have two hard drives and I plan to dual boot Win 7 and Ubuntu.. I've heard that it's better (in terms of performance) to put both the operating systems on one drive and all data files on another
[14:11] <HF_acid> ubuntutryout777: after I installed on the harddrive, it's on the iso but I don't think it's enabled during livecd runs
[14:11] <Soothsayer> Is there really a considerable difference?
[14:12] <kaushal> hi
[14:12] <kaushal> whats the default Filesystem in 11.04 ?
[14:12] <dsathe> ext4
[14:12] <Pici> kaushal: ext4
[14:12] <Soothsayer> kaushal: ext4
[14:12] <Soothsayer> lol
[14:12] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: Well is something goes wrong with your boot drive you don't have to worry about the data on your other drive
[14:12] <trans> hello guys, how to get dash in full screen mode by default
[14:12] <dsathe> trans edit dconf
[14:13] <dsathe> dconf-editor
[14:13] <kaushal> is btrfs recommended ?
[14:13] <dsathe> gstreamer>unity>form factor
[14:13] <pioruns_> Hi guys. I wanted to report an issue: when I boot Ubuntu 11.04, it stops loading. And doing nothing, until I press ENTER. It happen on boot screen (this bronze background, and nothing else, even Ubuntu logo). Where I should report it, which package to report (Launchpad?). I'm using Nvidia proprietary driver. Can somebody answer me please?
[14:13] <dsathe> Kaushal no
[14:13] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: true. Though I'm talking about performance?
[14:13] <trans> oh, ok
[14:13] <kaushal> dsathe: Any specific reason ?
[14:13] <ubuntutryout777> Soothsayer, i think its always a good idea to have th operating system and data on different partitions/harddrives, reguardless of dual boot
[14:13] <trans> any updated themes for natty, old themes aren't working nice
[14:13] <Soothsayer> ubuntutryout777: ok.
[14:13] <pfarrell_> hi! is it possible to tell update-manager to download the packages for upgrading to natty now, and then use them to do the upgrade later?
[14:13] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: Having less simultaneous access on your drives should give higher performance
[14:13] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: Common logic
[14:13] <histo> avij: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage?action=show&redirect=RsyncCdImage
[14:14] <konaya> pioruns_, try to disable the bootup screen and see on what it freezes.
[14:14] <zniavre> good afternoon
[14:14] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: so what locations would I mount on the other drive in Ubuntu ?
[14:14] <Soothsayer> the /home/ , /var/   ?
[14:15] <escott> kaushal, no it is very very beta
[14:15] <Psydoll> exit
[14:15] <aLky> guys, i get this error: After your package information was updated the essential package 'ubuntu-minimal' can not be found anymore
[14:15] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: normally Ubuntu will point them to /mnt automatically and you just click to mount from Nautilus
[14:15] <pioruns_> konaya, how to disable it? splash off or something, in GRUB?
[14:15] <zniavre> at startup unity session  tells me unity can't run due harware , but if i launch manualy 'unity --replace' unity starts but gnome-panel stays present
[14:15] <zniavre> what can i do please?
[14:15] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: Or /media .. I mix those up sometimes
[14:15] <Incarus6> zniavre, did you try unity-2d?
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> zniavre: what video chip do you use?
[14:16] <botcity> pioruns_, i am experiencing some similar problems i will be downloading the alternative cd tomorrow you may need to press f6 at the halt !
[14:16] <konaya> pioruns_, I don't know the exact procedure. Worse, I'm on my way out. Google it and/or get help from someone else. I think I pushed you in the right direction, though
[14:16] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: I didn't understand this "normally Ubuntu will point them to /mnt automatically and you just click to mount from Nautilus"
[14:16] <pioruns_> zniavre, kill gnome-panel app
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> aLky: is this a clean install or an upgrade?
[14:16] <aLky> upgrade
[14:16] <ubuntutryout777> hmm, does anyone know if theres a way to force effects and unity on LIVE run? i would like to try out before installing.
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> aLky: are you using natty?
[14:16] <Soothsayer> ubuntutryout777, [TK]D-Fender : my home directory should be on the data drive right ?
[14:17] <Flynsarmy> aLky: there were alot of issues on the issues page when doing upgrades
[14:17] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: My other drives were always visible in Nautilus.  I click and it auto-mounts and I'm just going through my partitions on it
[14:17] <ezl> where can i set the email addresses that apticron emails when updates are necessary?
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> ubuntutryout777: what video chip are you using?
[14:17] <pioruns_> thanks, konaya, botcity. Also in my foreign ubuntu forum I saw posts from people with same problem. I will investigate it later
[14:17] <trans> dsathe: installed dconf, what next
[14:17] <JohnFlux> Ubuntu 10.10 is telling me EVERY 5 MINUTES to update to Natsy!
[14:17] <[TK]D-Fender> [09:16]	Soothsayer	ubuntutryout777, [TK]D-Fender : my home directory should be on the data drive right ? <- up to you
[14:17] <JohnFlux> How do I tell it shut up? :)
[14:17] <dsathe> open dconf-editor
[14:17] <zniavre> Incarus6,  i do not like unity-2d
[14:17] <riktking> is natty released yet? ;-)
[14:17] <zniavre> ActionParsnip,  nvidia fx5500 173.14.30 drivers
[14:17] <aLky> ActionParsnip, not sure, it just came up asking me to upgrade. Flynsarmy I think i will just do a clean install then, thanks
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> JohnFlux: it's natty
[14:17] <Incarus6> zniavre, which graphic card are you using?
[14:17] <sacarlson> anyone having this problem php5-gmp:
[14:17] <html_inprogress> rrr there hers always been  a bit of problems with upgrading
[14:17] <sacarlson>   Depends: php5-common (=5.3.2-1ubuntu4) but 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.2 is to be installed
[14:17] <Incarus6> riktking, yes
[14:17] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: I use /home on my OS drive and I manually move what I want to my data drive.  I count my entire OS drive as being separate.
[14:18] <zniavre> pioruns_, it restarts
[14:18] <html_inprogress> hi yall
[14:18] <trans> dsathe: dconf-editor is not valid command
[14:18] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: I also want to do some database intensive development work. And I believe MySQL stores the database in /var , so where should I mount the /var ?
[14:18] <ubuntutryout777> ActionParsnip, i git a GTX460
[14:18] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: You don't have to keep stuff in /home
[14:18] <dsathe> go to desktop>unity
[14:18] <damiano__> hey guys
[14:18] <dsathe> change the form factor in drop down to
[14:18] <trans> then
[14:18] <damiano__> is there a package that block an user inside a directory ?
[14:18] <Necrocyber> hello anyone!!
[14:18] <dsathe> nretbook
[14:18] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: I see. I'm just used to seeing everything in /home .. like the documents, pictures, etc
[14:18] <dsathe> netbook
[14:18] <damiano__> example: user1 ---> /var/test
[14:18] <dsathe> n restart compiz
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> ubuntutryout777: then install nvidia-current then restart the X server, you will be able to run unity
[14:18] <pfarrell_> hi! is it possible to tell update-manager to download the packages for upgrading to natty now, and then use them to do the upgrade later?
[14:18] <dsathe> compiz --replace
[14:18] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer:That's a personal choice.  I have always preferred to file things where *I* want them to be
[14:19] <brianl> I am using Natty, and for some reason I can't seem to find/get working lib32ncurses5-dev,is32-libs,lib32readline5-dev, or lib32z-dev? On 10.10 or 10.04 I was able to just apt-get install them but not on natty?
[14:19] <damiano__> so if i'm using user1 i cant read below /var/test
[14:19] <damiano__> is it possible?
[14:19] <dsathe> trans u need to install it
[14:19] <mah454> Hello ...
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> aLky: your call dude, all you need are the nvidia drivers installing
[14:19] <Incarus6> ActionParsnip, i thought Unity-3D isnt supported with proprietary nvidie drivers?
[14:19] <mah454> Where is ubuntu-11.04 DVDs ?
[14:19] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: So you are saying just keep the entire Ubuntu on one drive... and then use a partition from the data drive for all my data?
[14:19] <trans> yes
[14:19] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: For your DB question... I'd say put it on the drive where it will have the most % of free resources to itself
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> Incarus6: sure it is, if you have 3D accelleration you can run Unity
[14:19] <trans> dsathe : I installed just "dconf"
[14:19] <trans> now installing proper one
[14:20] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: won't that be the data drive?
[14:20] <[TK]D-Fender> [09:19]	Soothsayer	[TK]D-Fender: So you are saying just keep the entire Ubuntu on one drive... and then use a partition from the data drive for all my data? <- That is what I like to do.  Its a personal thing.  For me the OS is a tool, but my datat is sacred
[14:20] <coz_> mah454,   this is one link   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/   but its for the daily build
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> mah454: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[14:20] <ubuntutryout777> hmm i thought you can run unity without drivers. i mean i cant even run compiz. i was able to do so on my old system on older builds without drivers
[14:20] <dsathe> oops i used rsync to daily
[14:20] <Lungan> Is it possible to customize unity?
[14:20] <dsathe> is tht same as fink
[14:20] <[TK]D-Fender> [09:20]	Soothsayer	[TK]D-Fender: won't that be the data drive? <- for the case you've been describing, it sounds like "yes"
[14:20] <damiano__> no?
[14:20] <dsathe> lugan
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> coz_: its released today so won't it be the same thing?
[14:20] <dsathe> a little
[14:20] <Incarus6> ActionParsnip, acording to http://askubuntu.com/questions/21427/does-unity-require-proprietary-graphics-card-drivers it isnt.
[14:20] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  I didnt think so   thanks
[14:21] <Lungan> dsathe, How?
[14:21] <coz_> Lungan,   not sure  ,, depends on what you want to customize
[14:21] <dsathe> i wud recoment omgubuntu.co.uk and webupd8.org
[14:21] <dsathe> brillinat for all goodies info
[14:21] <Pici> !who | dsathe
[14:21] <dsathe> lugan
[14:21] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: hmm.. so how should I keep the databases itself onto the other drive ... through a symlink ?
[14:21] <dsathe> in ccsm
[14:21] <damiano__> someone could hel me ?
[14:21] <Lungan> coz_, Would like to customize the bar at the top of the screen
[14:21] <damiano__> *help
[14:21] <coz_> Lungan,   the gnome panel... yes?
[14:22] <Soothsayer> I'm not sure.. if I don't mount /var to the data drive, then how do I make sure MySQL databases are actually on the data drive.
[14:22] <html_inprogress> aLky, thats the best, unless you want work ahead,and dont mind,  theres has been problems in the pasts with it upgrading ubuntu
[14:22] <Lungan> coz_, Yeah
[14:22] <coz_> Lungan,  well do you want to change its appearance or add applets to it?
[14:22] <damiano__> no ?
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> Incarus6: nowhere on that page does it say Unity isn't supported on proprietary drivers
[14:22] <Lungan> coz_, both
[14:22] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: That is certainly one way to do it.  I'm pretty sure you could change your configs to explicitly point elsewhere through... that is a DB config issue you'd have to actually look at their own docs for
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> Incarus6: its users saying if you want 3d effects you will need proprietary
[14:23] <aLky> thanks
[14:23] <zniavre> Lungan, you are allowaed to change the shadow of the top panel
[14:23] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: makes sense.
[14:23] <dsathe> Unity is definitely supported on nvid ia closed drivers
[14:23] <coz_> Lungan,   ok,, well to change its appearance you need to go to system/preferences/appearance  and hit the customize button,,, to add applets to it  just right click the panel    "Add to panel"  and choose from a list of available applets
[14:23] <_cory> has anyone tried 11.04 yet?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Happy Release Day
[14:23] <trans> guys is 11.04 slow, it hangs whenevr I try to access dash, do I need to install unity 2d, I'm using P4 machine with 1 gb ram
[14:23] <Lungan> coz_, since upgrading to 11.04 nothing happens when rightklicking?
[14:24] <[TK]D-Fender> 20 mins until both 32/64 bit releases finish downloading here :)
[14:24] <larsemil> any way to disable meta button to open launcher?
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> Lungan: if you boot to regular desktop then make the unity bar you can change the top bar
[14:24] <html_inprogress> damiano__, yes
[14:24] <mah454> tnx :)
[14:24] <coz_>  Lungan  ooo,,, that's not good,, I assume you have already rebooted ,, probably several times... not sure then,, troubleshooting an upgrade as opposed to a clean install,, can sometimes be painful
[14:24] <Incarus6> ActionParsnip, ar, you are right. I found that and it says proprietary drivers are working: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DemystifyingUnityGraphicsHardwareRequirements
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> trans: have you installed 3D drivers. also make sure you are fully upgraded
[14:25] <Lungan> coz_, Hmm ok, but maybe they will fix it in the future? Its not that i cant use thecomputer
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> Incarus6: :)
[14:25] <perlsyntax> does ubuntu 11.04 come with gnome 3.0?
[14:25] <LjL> perlsyntax: no
[14:25] <perlsyntax> good
[14:25] <DeathKnight> is natty being released today?
[14:25] <perlsyntax> :)
[14:25] <leagris> it is
[14:25] <DJones> DeathKnight: It has been
[14:25] <trans> ActionParsnip: I have installed nvidia drivers, nvidia 8400gs
[14:25] <coz_> Lungan,  oh  wow thats bad,, did you try to  change the session to  classic gnome?   see if there is a performance difference
[14:25] <Incarus6> ActionParsnip, "/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p" is interesting
[14:25] <trans> ActionParsnip: I have installed nvidia drivers, nvidia 8400gs, 512mb
[14:25] <DeathKnight> DJones, wow.. and i missed it.
[14:26]  * Incarus6 still can't upgrade
[14:26] <trans> dsathe : Which key should I alter in dconf-editor
[14:26] <leagris> upgrading from OVH IPv6 mirror, hehe
[14:26] <coz_> trans,  you already rebooted after install the nvidia drivers ....yes?
[14:26] <Lungan> coz_, I will try. I like the new dock thought
[14:26] <perlsyntax> i hope there got perl 5.12.3
[14:26] <[TK]D-Fender> DeathKnight: No you haven't... it's still "released" ;)
[14:26] <ChaosR> compiz ain't working on 11.04 here, I have AMD catalyst drivers (latest),  glxinfo gives "X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)"
[14:26] <dsathe> trans desktop>unity>formfactor
[14:26] <trans> coz_: yes, I upgraded today morning since then its slow
[14:26] <Lungan> coz_, But is there anywhere I can choose size and so on on the dock?
[14:26] <dsathe> just clik on it itll drop down
[14:26] <coz_> Lungan,  ok  well,, if your system cant handle it,,, and from you mentioned it should work fine,, you can in stall  unity-2d  ,,, by the way   which video card is on that system?
[14:26] <DeathKnight> [TK]D-Fender, thanks for sympathy. :D
[14:27]  * ugisozols just booted into 11.04
[14:27] <ubuntutryout777> ok installing nvidia drivers right now
[14:27] <aLky> whats a fast mirror? (downloading with 60k atm and i dont think its my connection)
[14:27] <Incarus6> stupid ugisozols got a working 11.04 -.- :D
[14:27] <rgr> one in a hundred is pretty good for a Ubuntu release.
[14:27] <Flynsarmy> how do i revert to proper gnome?
[14:27] <ugisozols> damn me :P
[14:27] <coz_> ubuntutryout777,  dont forget to reboot the system after installing that driver :)
[14:27] <bercik_> Will my ubuntu beta update to release version automaticly?
[14:28] <bazhang> bercik_, yes
[14:28] <Incarus6> Flynsarmy, choose gnome at startup / login screen
[14:28] <trans> dsathe : there is no form factor option inside unity, only options available are "devices","launcher","panel"
[14:28] <bercik_> bazhang: thanks
[14:28] <ubuntutryout777> reboot the system? on a LIVE system?
[14:28] <Flynsarmy> Incarus6: thanks
[14:28] <_cory> is it worth upgrading to 11.04?
[14:28] <dsathe> dconf-editor
[14:28] <dsathe> not gconf
[14:28] <ikonia> _cory: your call
[14:28] <rgr> Flynsarmy: you wouldnt think to check the login dialog options?
[14:28] <coz_> ubuntutryout777,  you are installing the nvidia driver on a live session?
[14:28] <Incarus6> bercik_, yes, with apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:28] <dsathe> its very much dere
[14:28] <Gawwad> Hello, I'm on Ubuntu 10.4 and wanting to upgrade to 11.4 as I just read it was released. However, it's not listed in the update manager after refreshing. (I have it set to normal releases) Only 10.10 is shown. Am I missing something?
[14:28] <Flynsarmy> rgr: i wouldn't. i would have figured it'd be in appearance settings
[14:28] <coz_> ubuntutryout777,   let me know if it works
[14:28] <ubuntutryout777> yes, since i want to tryout ubunto, not install it on HDD
[14:29] <trans> dsathe : sorry for my dumb question, I got it
[14:29] <rgr> its far more than appearance its the entire DE.
[14:29] <_cory> ite I'm going for it lol
[14:29] <ubuntutryout777> ubuntu*
[14:29] <DJones> Gawwad: You have to upgrade to 10.10 before you can upgrade to 11.04
[14:29] <html_inprogress> hi
[14:29] <Flynsarmy> rgr: in addition search for 'unity' and you get a little window called 'launcher & menus' with 2 options on it. why was that not also in appearance. seems very hidden away
[14:29] <ecolitan> hello, is it possible to do the upgrade from the commandline?
[14:29] <Gawwad> Ok, thanks! Was sure you were able to upgrade from long term version to another :)
[14:29] <Pici> Gawwad: 11.04 is not LTS
[14:29] <DJKorbit> hi
[14:29] <html_inprogress> hio
[14:29] <Pici> ecolitan: Yes, do-release-upgrade.
[14:30] <ecolitan> ty Pici
[14:30] <DJones> Gawwad: You can from LTS to LTS, but 11.04 is a normal release and not an LTS
[14:30] <DJKorbit> i'm having trouble starting unity by default, even when choosing "Ubuntu" from gdm combobox
[14:30] <Gawwad> Oh, I thought all the x.04's were long term
[14:30] <Incarus6> Pici, that is also working with the desktop edition?
[14:30] <DJKorbit> how can i set unity as default?
[14:30] <Pici> Incarus6: Yes.
[14:30] <DeathKnight> so it doesn't come with gnome3... why?
[14:30] <Incarus6> Pici, thx
[14:30] <trans> ActionParsnip: whenever I click on dash it takes about 3 seconds for the dash to launch
[14:30] <html_inprogress> unity,whats that?
[14:30] <coz_> Gawwad,  no next lts is 12.04   april of 2012
[14:30] <rgr> because Ubuntu is branching more and more from mainline Linux desktops.
[14:31] <Gawwad> Thank you coz_
[14:31] <ubuntutryout777> ok, whats the command to restart x server?
[14:31] <DJones> Gawwad: 6.06, 8.04, 10.04 were LTS, about every 2 years between LTS versions
[14:31] <rgr> html_inprogress: a buggy attempt by canonical to tie people to Ubuntu.
[14:31] <Schoentoon> ubuntutryout777: usually sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart does the trick.
[14:31] <tieinv> 47b5d74bfe8352e95b9699
[14:31] <Pici> rgr: Lets try to stay on-topic here. this is a support channel.
[14:31] <ghufran> hi. i cannot download the latest release. link i get appears to be broken
[14:31] <ghufran> http://mirror-cybernet.lums.edu.pk/pub/ubuntu-releases//natty/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:31] <DeathKnight> i got problem with xorg in my laptop for ubuntu greater than 8.10 ... so am using backtrack right now.... even ubutnu 8.04 has problems. :(
[14:31] <dsathe> Schoentoon: kill x
[14:31] <coz_> Gawwad,  no problem ,, if you prefer LTS  then dont bother moving to this release,,
[14:32] <dsathe> go to tty
[14:32] <rgr> Pici: he asked a Q as to what unity is. I answered.
[14:32] <ghufran> is there any other mirror i can try?
[14:32] <Gawwad> So 10.4 is LTS but 11.4 is normal? But upgrading from 8.04 to 10.04 would work then?
[14:32] <ubuntutryout777> why does everything need to be so cryptic in the linux world :/
[14:32] <robertf> hello
[14:32] <Pici> Gawwad: Yes.
[14:32] <Schoentoon> dsathe: Not really a safe solution, but it can do the trick :P
[14:32] <Pici> !ot | ubuntutryout777
[14:32] <Gawwad> No I prefer the newest :)
[14:32] <robertf> i'm seeding 11.04 by torrent :)
[14:32] <Incarus6> DeathKnight, I remember 8.04 as unusuable ;)
[14:32] <dsathe> tty is safe olright
[14:32] <whoodat> Is there a page that shows known problems with hardware for 11.04?
[14:32] <DeathKnight> Incarus6, may i know why?
[14:32] <Gawwad> Thank for all the info, Pici, coz_ DJones! Bye
[14:32] <coz_> Gawwad,  yes and you can upgrade to 12.04  when it is release,, a direct upgrade from 10.4  ot 12.04
[14:32] <coz_> to
[14:32] <greg_72> hi there how can I query that a given file belongs to which package?
[14:32] <DeathKnight> Incarus6, or are you referring it is unusable now? :D
[14:33] <jatt> greg_72: dpkg -S
[14:33] <z0mbyk1d> how do i put something in a bash script that will run in parallel? for instance i have a script where i use mail to send a notice, but i don't want the parent script to get hung up with any problems
[14:33] <Incarus6> DeathKnight, no, 8.04 was unusable. I was using Debian at that time. It got better with 8.10
[14:33] <rgr> z0mbyk1d: google. "&".
[14:33] <z0mbyk1d> i want to be able to have the script exit but this mail task still be running if need be
[14:33] <h3roo> in term of CHMOD, SUID and SGID what does it meens? >>>>> 7000 >> in need the letters??????
[14:33] <z0mbyk1d> oh it's that simple?
[14:34] <aLky> found a fast mirror (university of kent)
[14:34] <ghufran> can anyone give me a working link to download 64bit 11.04 ? the only link i get from my location is broken..
[14:34] <rgr> yes. #bash.
[14:34] <DeathKnight> Incarus6, ok. i dont know.. the bt i am currently using is based on 8.10. performance is ok but KDE is bit irritating.
[14:34] <z0mbyk1d> thanks rgr
[14:34] <jatt> !mirror
[14:34] <Incarus6> someone know that error (I know it is german): 2011-04-28 13:45:38,575 ERROR Dist-upgrade failed: 'E:Fehler: Unterbrechungen durch pkgProblemResolver::Resolve hervorgerufen; dies kÃ¶nnte durch gehaltene Pakete verursacht worden sein.'
[14:35] <z0mbyk1d> INFO: using unknown version '/usr/bin/python2.7' (debian_defaults not up-to-date?)
[14:35] <narf_> erm, finding quite a few bugs with this new ubuntu... if I minamize things, where does it 'go'
[14:35] <z0mbyk1d> saw this during my release-upgrade ^
[14:35] <narf_> Also most apps don't know how to install in the new 'launcher'
[14:35] <rgr> Incarus6: you're German?
[14:35] <Incarus6> rgr, correct. should I translate?
[14:35] <html_inprogress> rgr, what ever it is if you or some dont like it do something about it, this isnt "ms"
[14:35] <dob1> what a fail unity
[14:36] <rgr> Looks like dependency issues from here.
[14:36] <dsathe> dob1: its bettr of then shell
[14:36] <Lungan> Is it possible to change the size of the dock unity?
[14:36] <dsathe> at least for now
[14:36] <dsathe> lugkhast:
[14:36] <dsathe> srry
[14:36] <rgr> html_inprogress: what are you ranting about? Whats ms got to to with it? I am a FOSS programmer.
[14:36] <dsathe> Lungan:
[14:36] <Incarus6> rgr, yeah but Im not sure which package is causing that issue. Im installing ubuntu-desktop right now and hope that fixed it
[14:36] <Winkie> hey guys, i'm installing ubuntu through FAI, and it's currently hanging on 'updating the system logo'
[14:36] <dsathe> yess
[14:36] <Winkie> it shows the logo, but doesn't proceed any further into boot
[14:36] <dsathe> icon size in ccsm
[14:36] <Winkie> any suggestions on how to debug it?
[14:36] <coz_> Lungan,   as I recal  I dont think so,, there were plans to have it able to move anywhere on the screen but I think that was not included either
[14:37] <Lungan> coz_, Hmmm okey, there really is room for making the dock awesome in unity
[14:37] <dob1> dsathe: it's better the classic desktop, i know you can choose but don't put it as default if you want to make linux popoular, it's a fail
[14:37] <dsathe> hmm
[14:37] <dsathe> huge debate
[14:37] <coz_> Lungan,   I agree,, but I prefer cairo dock :)
[14:37] <dsathe> there
[14:37] <Flynsarmy> i thought i recalled a video on omg ubuntu where the left bar would disappear and only start appearing if you dragged your window near it. however i can't get it to disappear without maximizing my current window (a bad idea on a 24" monitor). any ideas?
[14:38] <Lungan> coz_, Cairo? I will check that ou
[14:38] <Incarus6> rgr, Do you know a way to find out, which packages are "hold"
[14:38] <rgr> is ubuntu with Unity as a default called UUbuntu? Ubuntu by definition is a gnome distro.
[14:38] <dsathe> Flynsarmy: yep autohide opts
[14:38] <coz_> Lungan,   cairo-dock    it should be in the repository
[14:38] <Flynsarmy> dsathe: how do you get to them?
[14:38] <dsathe> it is
[14:38] <Lungan> coz_, okok brb
[14:38] <jatt> not anymore
[14:38] <dob1> i don't understand, ubunty has a community, why they choice to put unity as default?  i don't think the community agree to this
[14:38] <jatt> ubuntu is now a unity distro
[14:38] <jatt> they should create a new distribution gubuntu
[14:39] <dsathe> Flynsarmy:
[14:39] <DeathKnight> gubuntu?
[14:39] <dsathe> in ccsm
[14:39] <rgr> No. They should leave it as it is and give a special name to the Unity distro.
[14:39] <jatt> lol
[14:39] <dsathe> unity plugin
[14:39] <bazhang> !ot | jatt rgr
[14:39] <dsathe> compiz is beter den mutter
[14:39] <coz_> jatt,  a new version  named   GTR  will be available at some point.. not through canonical,, it is   ubuntu gnome remix,, with gnome3 as default
[14:39] <dob1> they ruin the good work of the last years inho
[14:39] <dsathe> so disable unity if u dun like it
[14:39] <dsathe> its ony a plugin
[14:39] <bazhang> dob1, thats enough
[14:39] <rgr> bazhang: we are discussing ubuntu issues. Unity is one such.
[14:39] <pfarrell_> hi! is it possible to tell update-manager to download the packages for upgrading to natty now, and then use them to do the upgrade later?
[14:40] <bazhang> rgr, wrong place for it.
[14:40] <z0mbyk1d> pfarrell_: not that ive seen
[14:40] <jrib> rgr: this channel is meant for ubuntu *support*, #ubuntu-offtopic is a good place to discuss unity
[14:40] <z0mbyk1d> but maybe
[14:40] <dob1> dsathe: the normal user, the one that try linux for the first time doesn't understant what is that unity, it doesn't know how to disable, it saw this = this is linux
[14:40] <rgr> Why is it that the people with the least to contribute are the ones that chuck around the ops threats and power the most. Everything was perfectly friendly.
[14:40] <narf_> ok guys honestly this new ubuntu layout is screwed... anyway i can go back to the old layout... I can't find jack shit this way, things just 'dissapere'
[14:40] <Incarus6> How can I found out which packages are "hold" (or locked?) ?
[14:40] <asmogator> hello
[14:40] <dsathe> dob1: given
[14:40] <Flynsarmy> dob1: lol i've been using ubuntu for many years and i didn't know how to disable unity until someone told me
[14:40] <asmogator> does someone know a dyndns client for ubuntu on command line ?
[14:41] <Flynsarmy> dob1: i couldn't even figure out how to open the pidgin contact list - turns out its hidden away under the envelope icon
[14:41] <dob1> i don't get it, there was like a pool, a discussion about this,  how this come out?
[14:41] <LALALLAA> hi
[14:41] <nick> hi all
[14:41] <DJones> !info dyndns | asmogator
[14:41] <Incarus6> Flynsarmy, pidgin isn't the default IM software anymore
[14:42] <JoshuaL> asmogator, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicDNS
[14:42] <coz_> asmogator,  maybe read here?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicDNS
[14:42] <coz_> :)
[14:42] <Flynsarmy> Incarus6: i know but the bundled one is useless in every possible way
[14:42] <Guest31762> I have a second hard drive from OSX as my second drive and everything works but work let me write anything. I have tried alot to get the filepermissions fixed. The last thing is it says ivalid partion table
[14:42] <asmogator> THANK YOU :)
[14:42] <phoque_uni> wow, the Natty GUI is choppy as hell
[14:43] <Flynsarmy> phoque_uni: wait until you try to alt+tab
[14:43] <narf_> phoque_uni, how can I go back to the old look
[14:43] <z0mbyk1d> lol
[14:43] <coz_> phoque_uni,   out of curiosity,, which video card do you have ?
[14:43] <Incarus6> Flynsarmy, its the same in KDE, KDE doesn't want you to use any other instand messenger then Kopete
[14:43] <ciphergoth> I'm looking forward to trying Unity more than ever now :-)
[14:43] <soyo> So I am in the middle of upgrading to 11.04 (so if I disappear for a few days.. ;) Debconf is asking me if I want to keep the old grub but wouldn't that leave no option for booting into 11.04?
[14:43] <phoque_uni> Flynsarmy, narf_, I'm on Ubuntu Classic/Gnome
[14:43] <narf_> phoque_uni, nothing works, stuff just dissaperes
[14:43] <escott> Guest31762, examine the partition table with gdisk
[14:43] <coz_> narf_,   log off  change session to  classic gnome
[14:43] <narf_> tx
[14:43] <Guest31762> kk
[14:43] <z0mbyk1d> soyo: i would imagine so yes
[14:44] <TheRedOctober> I guess it is time to try out Natty...wish me luck
[14:44] <dob1> well i don't want to critic the work of other people, thanks for the work of ubuntu anyway, but just put this unity as an option not as default, that's all
[14:44] <phoque_uni> coz_, ATI 4870
[14:44] <Incarus6> TheRedOctober, I still try to install Natty :D
[14:44] <soyo> z0mbyk1d: I am guessing its asking me because it asks about any conf file..
[14:44] <ciphergoth> I need to install Ubuntu over the network. Do these instructions look right? http://www.techienote.com/2010/06/pxe-booting-lucid-lynx-ubuntu-10-04.html
[14:44] <coz_> phoque_uni,   ok  ,, I know too little about ati to be any use,,,
[14:44] <z0mbyk1d> soyo: yeah that question is always asked
[14:44] <bp0> so if you don't want to go to natty, is it better to go back to 10.04?
[14:44] <TheRedOctober> Incarus6: that is the sentiment around the office as well...
[14:45] <jatt> yes 10.04 is LTS and proven
[14:45] <soyo> z0mbyk1d: Should I try the merge.. lol j/k
[14:45] <coz_> bp0,  you can yes for sure since that is LTS
[14:45] <vabigoon> Hello, can you explain me what's that Unity?
[14:45] <jatt> if you want to play around then natty is ok
[14:45] <bp0> ok
[14:45] <jatt> unity is canonical's own desktop environment
[14:45] <coz_> vabigoon,    go to youtube.com    search for  ubuntu 11.0   or  ubuntu  Unity
[14:45] <Flynsarmy> vabigoon: it's a piece of software designed to get people outside more often
[14:45] <saml> hey, i clicked upgrade to 11.04.. and desktop is broken
[14:45] <jatt> so you have now gnome, kde, xfce and unity
[14:45] <Incarus6> TheRedOctober, :D I got some strange dependency errors. tell me if you have some issues with the installation
[14:45] <saml> looks like compiz is gone..
[14:46] <z0mbyk1d> /etc/bash_completion.d <- is this new?
[14:46] <z0mbyk1d> interesting, never noticed it before
[14:46] <Sterist> anyone have contact with www.psubuntu.com 's moderators?
[14:46] <coz_> saml,   no compiz is the compositor for Unity
[14:46] <Incarus6> saml, wait, you pressed the button and the desktop was suddenly broken?
[14:46] <escott> z0mbyk1d, within the last 3 years or so
[14:46] <z0mbyk1d> great idea if it is what i think it is
[14:46] <z0mbyk1d> lol ok
[14:46] <saml> Incarus6, yah
[14:46] <z0mbyk1d> new rsyslog.conf, i'll have to merge in my tweaks
[14:46] <Omega> !ot | Flynsarmy
[14:46] <Incarus6> saml, you can try the comand line way
[14:46] <vabigoon> Ok, thank you, is that some Gnome modification or the completely new environment
[14:46] <z0mbyk1d> looks like the upgrade is nearly done
[14:46] <escott> z0mbyk1d, not sure when the /etc entry was introduced
[14:47] <saml> and the left column thingy  is weird.. leaving marks  like when windows is frozen and you move window...
[14:47] <Khr0n0s> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu 11.04 except when I tried to boot into it I got given an error message saying that my hardware isn't supported and that I'll be shown the classic environment. I have an ATI 5850 graphics card with the latest FGLRX drivers installed so I'm not sure why it's causing this. Anyone have any ideas?
[14:47] <escott> z0mbyk1d, you might consider installing etckeeper
[14:47] <coz_> vabigoon,  it is just a alternative   DE  environment ,, you can change it to classic gnome via sessions when you log in
[14:47] <jatt> completely new environment
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> Khr0n0s: is it an upgrade or a clean install?
[14:47] <Incarus6> khr0n0s, paste "/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p"
[14:47] <Khr0n0s> Upgrade
[14:48] <vibhav> downoloading torrent
[14:48] <cordoval_> I can't access ubuntu+1
[14:48] <Dr_Willis|2> Khr0n0s:  just guessing.. but i would think the fglrx driver is not working, or did not instal lproperly
[14:48] <phoque_uni> drop shadows are not done by Compiz anymore?
[14:48] <z0mbyk1d> smb.conf too
[14:48] <z0mbyk1d> show differences is ugly as hell
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> Khr0n0s: remove the proprietary driver, reboot, install the proprietary driver and reboot, should be ok
[14:48] <z0mbyk1d> and i can never interpret it
[14:48] <vibhav> Cannot join #ubuntu+1 (Channel is invite only).
[14:48] <z0mbyk1d> :/
[14:48] <vabigoon> thank you guys, So the next puzzle solved  ;D
[14:48] <cordoval_> anyone knows how to insert a second bar on top of the screen to have the regular applets that I had before?
[14:48] <Incarus6> Dr_Willis|2, I think it doesn't pass the unity test, he said he got that error
[14:48] <cordoval_> on natty
[14:48] <Dr_Willis|2> phoque_uni:  if the plugin is messing. it may be in the repso.
[14:48] <jatt> there are no applets in unity
[14:48] <arand> vibhav: It's just closed
[14:48] <freaky[t]> natty has been released yay :D
[14:48] <coz_> phoque_uni,  they should be ,, but if you want to be sure go to #compiz-dev and ask  smspillaz  the main developer
[14:48] <saml> how can I change workspace?
[14:48] <cordoval_> really?
[14:48] <thegoodcushion> Hi gang.  Anyone just downloaded 11.04 and want to express an opinion about it?  What about Unity?
[14:48] <jatt> yes
[14:48] <DJones> vibhav: There isn't a +1 version yet, so the channel is closed
[14:48] <cordoval_> how come?
[14:49] <cordoval_> where to go
[14:49] <jatt> no applets no panels
[14:49] <cordoval_> how to upgrade?
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> saml: ctrl+alt+cursors
[14:49] <FloodBot2> cordoval_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:49] <JuJuBee> Do any music players manage playlists on iPod's yet?
[14:49] <dscastro> hi..
[14:49] <echo2> hi.
[14:49] <Omega> vibhav: It will be open when oneiric opens.
[14:49] <Khr0n0s> unity_support_test gave  No such file or directory
[14:49] <saml> ActionParsnip, don't work with 11.04
[14:49] <cordoval_> please tell me what I do to get it
[14:49] <echo2> how do I use unity in vmware?
[14:49] <coz_> DJones,  that channel will be availabe in about a week or 2
[14:49] <cordoval_> I already am on natty but not the latest
[14:49] <dscastro> trying do upgrade to 11 i'm getting errors
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> saml: then you will need to expand the number of desktops in ccsm
[14:49] <saml> i want to have only one workspace
[14:49] <saml> ccsm?
[14:49] <Dr_Willis|2> dscastro:  servers may be overloaded right now.
[14:49] <Omega> dscastro: The servers are overloaded.
[14:49] <TheRedOctober> Incarus6: the update failed outright, unable to calculate space (no exception or anything, just loudly failed)
[14:49] <Dr_Willis|2> !ccsm | saml
[14:49] <echo2> is there a support chan
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> saml: yes, set the horizontal and vertical workplace value to 1
[14:50] <saml> Dr_Willis|2, 11.04 is not compiz
[14:50] <dscastro> Dr_Willis|2, errors about packages
[14:50] <echo2> is there a support chan
[14:50] <saml> compiz is gone
[14:50] <Incarus6> khr0n0s, uhm, and you got unity installed?
[14:50] <cordoval_> no it is not
[14:50] <Omega> echo2: I don't know about VMware, but I saw a guide for virtualbox.
[14:50] <Dr_Willis|2> saml:  unity is running on top of compiz. and has compiz plugins..
[14:50] <MohammadAG> I'll ask again, is there a way to upgrade without update-manager?
[14:50] <echo2> link me, omega
[14:50] <Incarus6> TheRedOctober, nice. can you paste /var/log/dist-upgrade/ files?
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> saml: then you need to reinstate 3D accelleration
[14:50] <Dr_Willis|2> saml:  at least it did last week when i was playing with it.
[14:50] <LukasIgnat> how to upgrade from beta to final release?
[14:50] <escott> saml, think you are confusing with gnome3, unity does use compiz
[14:50] <Omega> echo2: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/heads-up-unity-working-with-the-lastest-virtualbox/
[14:50] <echo2> thanks
[14:50] <coz_> LukasIgnat,   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> LukasIgnat: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -y upgrade
[14:50] <DaSinge> What is wrong: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600274/
[14:51] <Khr0n0s> I just did a standard upgrade :S
[14:51] <saml> ActionParsnip, how can I do that?
[14:51] <saml> reinstate 3d acceleration
[14:51] <vibhav> 61 percent!
[14:51] <Khr0n0s> But it looks like unity-common wasn't installed...
[14:51] <Incarus6> kr0n0s, gnome or kde or something else?
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> saml: what video chip are you using?
[14:51] <vibhav> Khr0n0s whats the problem guys?
[14:51] <saml> ActionParsnip, it is ATI
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> saml: which model?
[14:51] <saml> and I'm using Additional Drivers
[14:51] <vibhav> saml whats the problem?
[14:52] <z0mbyk1d> weird it didnt ask me about the postfix config which is definitely locally modified
[14:52] <escott> DaSinge, please talk to #bash overloaded by 11.04 questions here
[14:52] <z0mbyk1d> does that package handle upgrades?
[14:52] <DaSinge> ok
[14:52] <saml> how can I find out my video chip?
[14:52] <Incarus6> khr0n0s, are you in gnome right now?
[14:52] <escott> saml, lspci
[14:52] <LALALLAA> hi
[14:52] <Khr0n0s> incarus6, yes
[14:52] <saml> vibhav, desktop is funky. left column taskbar thingy is funky
[14:52] <Dr_Willis|2> saml:  you could try rerunning the addationa-drivers tool
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> saml: remove the driver, reboot, install the driver then reinstall the driver
[14:52] <Khr0n0s> vibhav, unity is saying my hardware isn't installed
[14:52] <ChrisGagnon> saml: you can use 'lshw -C display'
[14:53] <Khr0n0s> vibhav, sorry tired. *compatible
[14:53]  * ToeKutter is downloading now... <panting in antisipation>
[14:53] <Incarus6> khr0n0s, That error tells you, that you can't use Unity. are you planning to use Unity?
[14:53] <saml> 0f:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 68a9
[14:53] <euclid> upgrading!
[14:53] <vibhav> Khr0n0s refer to this to find about your video card b
[14:53] <vibhav> Khr0n0s refer to this to find about your video card http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-tell-which-graphics-vga-card-installed/
[14:54] <Khr0n0s> incarus6, hopefully. Don't see how my hardware isn't compatible since I only bought the graphics card last year (ATI 5850)
[14:54] <saml> that sucks.. this graphic gard is pretty good card
[14:54] <evdvelde> hi all, i installed Natty and now my bluetooth mighty mouse does not respond to clicks, scrolling works... any ideas?
[14:54] <saml> thankfuly i still have display
[14:54] <saml> ubuntu upgrade is always  a mess for graphics
[14:54] <Khr0n0s> vibhav, 5850 ATI
[14:54] <Incarus6> khr0n0s, Unity is a new desktop which isn't completly stable yet
[14:55] <jubei_> hello i am trying to setup a home gateway/router, i am running ubuntu 10.04 server, i have 2 NICs eth1  dials PPPoE to mweb, and eth0 goes to a switch. I have setup DHCP on eth0 to dish out IPs to clients plugged into the switch.from the server i can ping out to internet locations, and i can also ping clients on the switch, from clients i can ping the server, however, from the clients i cant
[14:55] <euclid> after I upgrade will unity take over?
[14:55] <jubei_> ping internet locations, ie i can't get past the gateway. what do i need to setup on the gateway/router server to allow clients to get outside?
[14:55] <vibhav> Khr0n0s what does the prblem say?
[14:55] <saml> euclid, don't upgrade
[14:55] <Incarus6> How can I fix "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade: E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.?
[14:55] <Incarus6> "
[14:55] <euclid> why?
 http://fossplanet.com/f10/%5Bbug-700292%5D-%5Bnew%5D-bluetooth-keybord-after-natty-upgrade-not-working-92191/index2.html
[14:55] <farciarz84> hi, which technology canonical uses to build ubuntu.com?
[14:56] <avatar_> Hi guys, party on!
[14:56] <Khr0n0s> vibhav, It seems that you do not have the hardware required to run Unity. Please choose Ubuntu Classic at the login screen and you will be using the traditional environment.
[14:56] <rcconf> Why Ubuntu torrent is so damn slow?
 what is the graphic card memory?
[14:56] <coz_> rcconf,  because a gazillion people are using it ?
[14:56] <z0mbyk1d> [14:56] <rcconf> !party
[14:56] <escott> jubei_, do you have dnsmasq configured (NAT)
[14:56] <z0mbyk1d> w00t! waiting on the reboot
[14:56] <moshe_> rcconf allow more peers to be connected
[14:56]  * z0mbyk1d crosses fingers
[14:56] <euclid> after I upgrade will unity take over?
[14:56] <Dr_Willis|2> rcconf:  the torrent is quite quick here.
[14:56] <Khr0n0s> vibhav, 1GB. it's a mid/upper end graphics card
[14:56] <jatt> euclid: yes
[14:56] <JuJuBee> jubei_: may  I pm you?
[14:56] <andeeeuk> hey
[14:57] <euclid> fuck
 yes
[14:57] <jatt> lol
[14:57] <coz_> euclid,  as long as your drivers are installed ,, yes
[14:57] <rcconf> maxium peers is 60 here
 must be some bug.. lemme see
[14:57] <Pici> euclid: mind your language please.
[14:57] <evdvelde> vibhav: sounds similar, thoug it is with keyboard
[14:57] <andeeeuk> has anyone updated to 11.04 from repo yet?
[14:57] <rcconf> it's not a client problem. i download other stuff at full speed
[14:57] <euclid> sorry
[14:57] <Pici> euclid: And no, you can pick which desktop envornment you want.
[14:57] <z0mbyk1d> i like how it spawns a screen for the upgrade
[14:57] <z0mbyk1d> fancy
[14:57] <Dr_Willis|2> rcconf:  got 70 seeds and 300 peers here.
[14:57] <Elie-Tucan> Hi everyone, could someone point me the mono icons guidelines please, I can't find them ?
[14:57] <moshe_> rcconf it might be torrent spesific properties too
[14:57] <jubei_> escott: i have read up on many tutorials about what i need to set in, and none seem to work. I want to now backtrack a little and do some reading on networking and how it all works: could you point me in the right direction? ie. read up about "dnsmasq" - read about "ip masquesrading" - read up about "routing table"
[14:57] <arand> euclid: You can easily choose classic at the login screen to not use it
[14:57] <euclid> Pici, really?
[14:58] <Pici> euclid: Yes, really.
[14:58] <euclid> :)
[14:58] <rcconf> 50 peers
 try to post it in the ubuntu fourms
[14:58] <rcconf> 2.905 seeders
[14:58] <farciarz84> which web framework canonical uses to build ubuntu.com?
[14:58] <Dr_Willis|2> getting 1.4mb/sec on the torrent.
[14:58] <escott> jubei_, assuming addresses on the eth0 subnet are not valid inet addresses (192.168.* or 10.10.*) you need to use NAT dnsmasq to allow the traffic to get back to them, you could have a route out, but nothing back in
[14:59] <JuJuBee> jubei_: you need to tell your server to do ip forwarding... change the 0 in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to a 1
[14:59] <Younder> is dapper out yet?
[14:59] <rcconf> 403kb/s damn slow
[14:59] <escott> jubei_, JuJuBee asked for a pm i think
[14:59] <psalden> there isn't some channel dedicated to the gnome3 ppa, is there?
[14:59] <rcconf> Dr_Willis|2: it's peers thing
[14:59] <OfficiallyPC> How to convert an .ogv video to .avi?
[14:59] <Dr_Willis|2> OfficiallyPC:  ffmpeg, mencoder,. or front ends to those apps
[14:59] <jubei_> JuJuBee, i did that but it didnt allow the clients to get past the gateway
[14:59] <Sc0tt> OfficiallyPC, use avidemux
[15:00] <mbeierl> OfficiallyPC: ffmpeg can, but I find Handbrake to be more flexible
[15:00] <rcconf> 2mb/s
[15:00] <jubei_> escott: i have a network map with ip's on and such in jpg, could you suggest a place to upload and then u can see?
[15:00] <rcconf> but it's very unstable
[15:00] <JuJuBee> jubei_: also did you change the value in /etc/sysctl.conf ?
[15:00] <kl_> Anyone know how to remove the little resize icon on each windows?
[15:00] <escott> !pastebin | jubei_
  Install WinFF from Ubuntu Software Center
[15:00] <jubei_> JuJuBee, i changed it there and then did sysctl -p to restart it
[15:00] <euclid> jubei_, imgur
[15:00] <JuJuBee> jubei_: ok, what about iptables?
[15:01] <moshe_> oh wow why is my latency so high in this server
[15:01] <JuJuBee> jubei_: do you have firewall rules preventing?
[15:01] <Elie-Tucan> Hi everyone, could someone point me to the mono icons guidelines please, I can't find them ?
[15:01] <victorhugo289> Guys, to download the new Ubuntu torrent, is it "ubuntu-11.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent" or "ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent"?
[15:01] <ChogyDan> !alternate | victorhugo289
[15:02] <Dr_Willis|2> victorhugo289:  alternate is a text based installer.. eitehr can work
[15:02] <victorhugo289> My computer is desktop, 32 bit, I use Alternate? ok
[15:02] <chchatzop> can i change unity?
[15:02] <victorhugo289> thanks!
 to upgrade use alternate CD to make a fresh install use desktop one
[15:02] <Sterist> has anyone heard if any development on ubuntu for playstation 3 has resumed?
[15:02] <saml> hey, in unity, how can I reduce number of workspaces?
[15:02] <saml> I only need one workspace
[15:02] <escott> saml, ccsm
[15:02] <rcconf> 3 mb/s now
[15:02] <victorhugo289> I want to do a fresh Install
[15:02] <tomasz> tu change unity !! logout and change on down screen
[15:02] <victorhugo289> I use Desktop then?
[15:03] <kl_> Anyone know how to remove the little resize icon on the lower right on each windows?
[15:03] <o_> hi , xubuntu 11.04 is not announced in distrowatch. Is it released?
[15:03] <rcconf> o_: #xubuntu
[15:03] <escott> victorhugo289, yes and if the installer fails to boot try the alternate
[15:03] <davzie> Apparantly the Queen said to Kate Middleton, two things to remember, always wear a seatbelt and don't piss me off.
[15:03] <victorhugo289> ok
[15:03] <saml> no.. ccsm doesn't work... Win+n  does not negative window.. it opens dash board
[15:03] <jubei_> JuJuBee/Escott: I am so lost with all of this - i dont know how all the different parts (packetforwarding/dnsmasq/iptables/route -n) work together to produce the result, i have no understanding and am blindly entering commands and hoping they work, I want to understand, any books/links/resources you have in this regard would be amazing!! map of network : http://imagebin.org/150608
[15:03] <moshe_> rcconf what did you do to fix it?
[15:03] <vibhav> saml refer to http://www.streamreader.org/askubuntu/questions/34572/how-can-i-reduce-or-increase-the-number-of-workspaces-in-unity
[15:04] <escott> jubei_, the tldp may have some good docs
[15:04] <waldir> I just upgraded to natty and I want to re-enable the world map in the time/date. How can I do that?
[15:04] <LALALLAA> hi
[15:04] <LALALLAA> which ubuntu should i install ?
[15:04] <rcconf> moshe_: stopped other torrents, limited upload speed to half, and changed number of peers
[15:04] <jubei_> yeah i been reading tldp but they mostly out of date, and they are howto style - just tell you what to do no explaining what it does ... :(
[15:04] <alakoo> LALALLAA: how about 11.04
[15:04] <Ruuuumb0> LALALLAA: Hi
[15:04] <Ruuuumb0> LALALLAA: english%irc.freenode.com
[15:04] <Ruuuumb0> ups
[15:04] <jubei_> i think i need a basic-advanced networking type book
[15:05] <saml> vibhav, thanks
[15:05] <JuJuBee> jubei_: see my pm
[15:05] <Ruuuumb0> LALALLAA: "ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso
[15:05] <vibhav> saml No problem!
[15:05] <hinogi> okay I have some kind of wireless issue. I cannot optain an ip from my router if I use wicd. if I use the network-manager no wireless networks show up. iwlist lists the wireless networks nonetheless.
[15:05] <hinogi> and wicd does too
[15:05] <LALALLAA> no i dont like  11.04
[15:05] <zorion> hi ererybody
[15:05] <LALALLAA> .
[15:05] <rcconf> LALALLAA: #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:06] <kl_> Anyone know how to remove the little resize icon on the lower right on each windows?
[15:06] <Dr_Willis|2> klaas:  thats part of the theme i thought.
[15:06] <vibhav> kl_ you using ubuntu 11.04
[15:06] <kl_> vibhav: yes
[15:06] <andeeeuk> has anyone completed an update to 11.04 from the repo?
[15:06] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_ you mean the resize handel>
[15:07] <vibhav> ok
[15:07] <Ruuuumb0> vibhav:  ubuntu 11.04 released ?
[15:07] <hinogi> is there away to see the communication between my wlan card and the router?
[15:07] <Dr_Willis|2> andeeeuk:  servers may be overloaded at this time.
[15:07] <vibhav> Ruuuumb0 yes
[15:07] <escott> hinogi, ntop
[15:07] <rcconf> Ruuuumb0: yes.
[15:07] <kl_> Dr_Willis|2: Could be it it looks like a transparent triangle
[15:07] <Ruuuumb0> Cool !
[15:07] <[Dmitry]1> Hello. Question 1) There is a Russian? 2) Who collects the deb packages?
[15:07] <andeeeuk> ok thanks
[15:07] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_:  that the window decorations theme part then.
[15:07] <Ruuuumb0> Go to upgrade )
[15:07] <escott> !ru | [Dmitry]1
[15:07] <ToeKutter> super easy installer.. sweet
[15:07] <andeeeuk> have been having problems with any updates
[15:07] <hinogi> then I'd need network connection first I guess
[15:07] <banished> How do I move windows to another Desktop with unity?
[15:08] <kl_> Dr_Willis|2: you know how to remove it then?
[15:08] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_ change your theme perhaps
[15:08] <Sterist> this is a very low-profile release on the ubuntu website.... you cannot find anything saying 11.04 Released
[15:08] <vibhav> kl_ can you further explain?
[15:08] <[Dmitry]1> escott: thx captain
[15:08] <escott> banished, click on the workspace switcher and drag them
[15:08] <kl_> Dr_Willis|2: can't I modify the theme?
[15:08] <Pr070cal> anyone know how to configure ufw ?
[15:08] <vibhav> why does ubuntu.com has a dell laptop that hides all the text?
[15:08] <kl_> vibhav: on the lower right you see a triangle
[15:08] <chchatzop> where do i find all the preferences and settings in unity?
[15:08] <rcconf> Pr070cal: yes
[15:08] <moshe_> does 11.4 includes gnome 3?
[15:08] <escott> Pr070cal, gufw
[15:08] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_ You could make your own theme i imagine.
[15:09] <[Dmitry]1> moshe_: no
[15:09] <cyberkilla> moshe_, I don't think so.
[15:09] <banished> escott: is there no more convenient way?
[15:09] <vibhav> kl_ yes
[15:09] <escott> moshe_, no, there is a ppa, but it breaks lots of stuff
[15:09] <vibhav> why does ubuntu.com has a dell laptop that hides all the text?
[15:09] <Incarus6> moshe_ no, 2.30 http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/gnome
[15:09] <arand> banished: ctrl+alt+shift+arrowkeys
[15:09] <escott> banished, right click on the title bar and say move to... its still compiz so all the old gnome2 methods should work
[15:09] <[Dmitry]1> Who here is engaged in building packages?
[15:10] <vibhav> 19 minutes letf!
[15:10] <vibhav> 19 minutes left!
[15:10] <dajhorn> vibhav: It is probably a web site bug.  I can see it too.
[15:10] <kl_> Dr_Willis|2: you know where the theme files are located?
[15:10] <Dr_Willis|2> !changtheme | kl_
[15:10] <moshe_> thanks
[15:10] <kl_> Dr_Willis|2: found it
[15:10] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_:   Not really. the gnome-look site has themnes you could look at and figure out how to modify.
[15:11] <Incarus6> dajhorn, http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new
[15:11] <Pici> [Dmitry]1: #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-packaging, also see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[15:11] <Dr_Willis|2> I tend to just pick a simple theme and thats it.
[15:11] <banished> arand, escott ok, I was hoping I could somehow just drag it to the other workspace instead of half maximizing it
[15:11] <kl_> Dr_Willis|2: you know the exact name for the size tingie?
[15:11] <[Dmitry]1> Pici: Thx you.
 is it possible to get it though?
[15:11] <chchatzop> how do i access the equivalent of "system" at unity?
[15:11] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_:  nope.
[15:11] <Sylphid> hey all....having a problem with front panel audio, if i start audio it everything defaults to rear panel however if i run aplay /some/audio.wav and start another track durring the aplay it goes to the front panel, any tips?
[15:11] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_:  other then 'resize handel' perhaps
[15:11] <arand> chchatzop: Through the shutdown menu
[15:11] <Incarus6> moshe_, yes, over ppa's, escott said that
[15:12] <chchatzop> arand: thx
[15:12] <dr0id> well
[15:12] <Incarus6> moshe_, http://blog.mypapit.net/2011/04/installing-gnome-3-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal.html
[15:12] <dr0id> how to know which OS I am using exactly ?
[15:12] <dr0id> uname -a doesn't tell me really :P
[15:12] <Pr070cal> escott: i tried ufw, but im having problems denying all out and in then allow 80 out
[15:12] <ChogyDan> dr0id: lsb_release -a
[15:12] <escott> Pr070cal, have you tried gufw gui
[15:13] <dr0id> it's not ubuntu, so says command not found
[15:13] <avij> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download links to http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-11.04-netbook-i386.iso.torrent , but the latter link gives me a 404. problem?
[15:13] <Pici> dr0id: And you're asking for support in #ubuntu?
 thank you very much for your time sir.
[15:13] <Sylphid> Pr070cal,  why are you denying out?
[15:13] <dr0id> not sure where to ask, well will move on to #linux then :)
[15:13] <dr0id> thanks anyway
[15:13] <Incarus6> moshe_, your welcome
[15:14] <Dr_Willis|2> dr0id:  if it follows the standards   lsb_release -1
[15:14] <Dr_Willis|2> dr0id:  if it follows the standards   lsb_release -a I mean...
[15:14] <dr0id> -bash: lsb_release: command not found
[15:14] <jay_> hello everyone
[15:14] <Incarus6> avij, a netbook version doesnt exist: http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.04/
[15:14] <Pici> avij: there is no separate netbook release. I'll see about getting that link fixed though.
[15:14] <dr0id> lsb_release and uname are the first things I try :)
[15:14] <chchatzop> can i get back to gnome?
[15:14] <Dr_Willis|2> dr0id:  time to start digging in etc then  i guess.
[15:14] <Pr070cal> Sylphid: so its restictive setup like i had firestarter
[15:15] <escott> chchatzop, ubuntu classic/gnome classic from the gdm login screen
[15:15] <chchatzop> thanks
[15:15] <Pr070cal> Sylphid: i dont want data sent out unless i allow it
[15:15] <jatt> no love for unity
[15:15] <jdahm> does the ubuntu installer support pre-configured mdadm raid arrays?
[15:15] <Sylphid> Pr070cal, make sure you are adding your related, established rules
[15:15] <jnye> can anyone help? upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 now just boots to an ubuntu logo and 5 red dots and doesn't go any further? virtualbox 4.0.6 on windows host
[15:15] <dr0id> cat /etc/issue Dr_Willis|2 :)
[15:15] <dr0id> centos 5.5
[15:15] <chchatzop> didnt like it
[15:16] <apriliyanus> is upgrading
[15:16] <Squall5668> jnye: boot in recovery mode to see where the problem is
[15:16] <Pr070cal> Sylphid: i deny out to all and allow 80 but it doesnt work
[15:16] <jnye> Squall5668: any details on how to do that? is there a key combo or something?
[15:16] <Sylphid> Pr070cal, dont forget that connections use random source port
[15:17] <bakanub> Somehow natty doesnt like my notebook. Native resolution is 1280x800, but Natty only allows me to choose 1024x768 (the rest is simply cropped). VGA is an integrated intel mobile gm965/gl960. Liveusb and a clean install gives the same result... What to do?
[15:17] <rcconf> prey
[15:17] <Squall5668> jnye it asks you at boot, in the grub menu, if you cant see the grub menu press ESC
[15:17] <kornicameister>  I need to establish logging the events from the network via rsyslog, I had already added appropriate lines into rsyslog.conf, by these lines I mean the line which loads the module listing on the tcp port and added my own ruleset to it
[15:17] <kornicameister> but it does not work
[15:18] <Sylphid> hey all....having a problem with front panel audio, if i start audio it everything defaults to rear panel however if i run aplay /some/audio.wav and start another track durring the aplay it goes to the front panel, any tips?
[15:18] <hinogi> well ntop only works with established network connection but I don't get there with my wlan thats why I need a monitor that showes me why I don't get a connection
[15:19] <sam-_-> how can i install gnome 3? (and gnome-shell)? just via ppa?
[15:19] <avij> Pici: thanks. not that I'd be needing a netbook version, but I just happened to notice that there's a mistake.
[15:19] <Squall5668> hinogi google: packet sniffing
[15:19] <Pici> avij: Sure. Thanks for letting us know.
[15:19] <Incarus6> AAAAAAAAAAAGHAHA.. i cant upgrade
[15:19] <Sylphid> Pr070cal, you could also try logging the connection drops to debunk where they are getting dropped
[15:20] <Incarus6> Pici, if upgrade fails, do you recommend to fix it or a fresh installation?
[15:20] <escott> hinogi, sorry didn't realize you meant montior MODE
[15:20] <bakanub> sam-_-, yes
[15:20] <vibhav> Pici I recommend a fresh install
[15:20] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: how did it fail?
[15:20] <_empty> Just me having problems installing the new ubuntu? Booting from cd?
[15:20] <hinogi> anyone else having problems with broadcom wireless and ubuntu 11.04?
[15:20] <sam-_-> bakanub: why didn't they include gnome 3? i thought it's stable
[15:20] <Bovola> ciao
[15:20] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade: E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages."
[15:21] <Doonz> Hey guys is there a way when using the cp command to see what the transfer speed is going at or a status on the file being compied?
[15:21] <Bovola> !list
[15:21] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: I think we can debug that
[15:21] <vibhav> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600285/
[15:21] <riktking> hinogi: hve u tried updating it? i have always had issues with broadcom addaptors, but there is an installer
[15:21] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: I don't think the upgrade started yet
[15:21] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, ok, thank you. It could be related with xorg
[15:21] <thegoodcushion> anyone want to say what they think of 11.04?  What about Unity?
[15:21] <hinogi> well there aren't many updates on release day :P
[15:21] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: did you use the xorg ppa?
[15:21] <JAMMAN2110> Someone really needs to complain to Citylink about how terrible the NZ Repo has been for the last 5 years
[15:22] <jdahm> sam-_-: because gnome3 is not better than unity
[15:22] <JAMMAN2110> (Not an exaggeration)
[15:22] <LjL> jdahm: that's not the reason
[15:22] <riktking> hinogi: try plugging using a wired network
[15:22] <LjL> sam-_-: i believe it wasn't stable in time for the freeze, or something
[15:22] <hinogi> I did but there aren't any updates
[15:23] <sam-_-> jdahm: well that's apple and oranges. i didn't say so. i just want to know why they didn't include it.
[15:23] <sam-_-> LjL: ah. that makes sense
[15:23] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: well if not, you need to pastebin some of the files from /var/log/dist-upgrade I believe, so we can take a look
[15:23] <Sylphid> hey all....having a problem with front panel audio, if i start audio it everything defaults to rear panel however if i run aplay /some/audio.wav and start another track durring the aplay it goes to the front panel, any tips on how to toggle between front and back panel only?
[15:23] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, I used a wrong ppa some time ago, have a look: http://pastebin.com/6itQQtTz
[15:23] <riktking> hinogi: System > Administration > Hardware/Additional Drivers
[15:24] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, I can't figure out which package exactly is causing that problem, otherwise I could fix  it
[15:24] <vibhav> 3 minutes remaining
[15:24] <brianl> I had a lot of problems and when I was updating to 11.04 something messed up and everything broke and I couldnt get anything to work. So i deleted it and reinstalled 10.04...now I can't get my computer to recognize my wireless internet card. Its a BCM4311 and I know how to set it up, but it won't even see it under lspci?
[15:24] <hinogi> I have the STA drivers enabled riktking
[15:24] <ActionParsnip> brianl: do a clean install of natty instead :)
[15:24] <zetheroo> ok ... running 11.04 ... the menu is the immediate issue here ... how do you edit it???
[15:25] <ActionParsnip> zetheroo: which menu?
[15:25] <brianl> ActionParsnip, Is there a reason my computer won't recognize my wireless card anymore?
[15:25] <riktking> hinogi: sorry mate im out
[15:25] <ActionParsnip> brianl: does it show in:  sudo lshw -C network
[15:25] <zetheroo> ActionParsnip: the main menu ... when you click on the Ubuntu icon
 can you explain the problem a little bit more?
[15:25] <niels1> I have an issue, can anyone help? the laptop screen of my ubuntu 11.04 is blank, it's recognised, but it just won't do anything.
[15:25] <niels1> an external screen works.
[15:25] <ActionParsnip> zetheroo: I think it just uses the files in /usr/share/applications
[15:25] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: I would start at the top, see if you can remove xserver-xorg-video-8
 explain a liitle bit more
[15:26] <brianl> ActionParsnip, Nope, just my direct connection
[15:26] <zetheroo> vibhav: I just want to re-arrange the menu items ...
[15:26] <bakanub> niels1, intel graphics?
[15:26] <zetheroo> and how do you clear the recent files?
[15:26] <riktking> hinogi: ooh try sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[15:26] <niels1> When I look at the monitor settings, the screen is there, and when I change desktop it's there, but it doesn't display anything
[15:26] <niels1> bakanub definately intel graphics.
[15:26] <zetheroo> this menu has added confusion and more clicks to what was before it :(
[15:26] <ActionParsnip> niels1: use the bootoption:   nomodeset     If you use an nvidia/ati video chip then install the proprietary driver and it should be enableable
[15:26] <jdahm> why is 11.04 LTS a different install option from 11.04?
[15:27] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, I got an error. translated: virtual packages coudln't be removed
[15:27] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: actually, Im not sure
[15:27] <ActionParsnip> jdahm: 11.04 isn't LTS
[15:27] <jatt> there is no 11.04 LTS
 there is no 11.04 LTS
[15:27] <niels1> how do I do that, ActionParsnip?
[15:27] <jatt> what he said
[15:27] <jdahm> ActionParsnip: oh, sorry, read it wrong
[15:27] <jdahm> that is 10.04 still
 11.10 will be LTS
[15:27] <ScottONanski> Are the Ubuntu servers getting slammed?
[15:27] <ActionParsnip> niels1: what video chip are you using?
[15:27] <yofel> vibhav: no, 12.04 will
[15:27] <Avasz> vibhav, NO
[15:27] <vibhav> ok
[15:27] <zetheroo> without being able to customise the main menu this is not going to work for me
[15:27] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, I read it could be related with the gnome-desktop package, im trying to install that (so I have to downgrade Firefox 4 because of dependencys)
[15:27] <niels1> an Intel video chip, ActionParnsip
[15:27] <brianl> ActionParsnip, I had to partition everything myself when reinstalling because 11.04 was on there and i had to delete that and format the partition, I set the mount point at / for 10.04, would that mess anything up?
[15:27] <Dr_Willis|2> ScottONanski:  they always do on release day and for about a week after
[15:27] <ToeKutter> Max / Min on the left top? argh.. how to move that back to Right side?
[15:28] <Dr_Willis|2> !controls | ToeKutter
[15:28] <ActionParsnip> brianl: can't see that being an issue
[15:28] <kl_> Dr_Willis|2: is there a difference between gtk theme and metacity theme you know?
[15:28] <hsh902> how long that uasdthe new release of the ubuntu just came to us?
[15:28] <vibhav> wish me best of luck
[15:28] <Avasz> Dr_Willis|2, it is called toecutter?
[15:28] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_:  metacity is window decoration
[15:28] <ActionParsnip> brianl: is there a switch to turn the wifi off and on
[15:28] <cholo> hello
[15:28] <ToeKutter> what does that mean? -- terminal and type !controls ?
[15:28] <Avasz> oh. :(
[15:28] <vibhav> wish me best of luck! PLease!!
[15:28] <cholo> d/topic
[15:28] <Dr_Willis|2> ToeKutter:  ! is a BOT command.. read what ubottu told you
[15:28] <brianl> ActionParsnip, there is a button on the laptop, but ive hit it several times and nothing ;/
[15:28] <JediMaster> Is there a list of ubuntu mirrors I can dump in apt/sources.list as gb.archive.ubuntu.com normally gives me 80MBytes/sec on my servers and I'm getting 20kbytes/sec now due to the load from natty
[15:29] <cholo> how does one upgrade from Ubuntu Desktop Natty Beta 2 --> Ubuntu Desktop Natty
[15:29] <Toph> what is the best bittorent client under ubuntu?
[15:29] <ToeKutter> read what.. hmm not so helpful
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> brianl: reboot and run:  dmesg | less     and read through, is the wireless device detected?
[15:29] <Avasz> Toph, deluge
[15:29] <Toph> thanks
[15:29] <Dr_Willis|2> Toph:  depends on your needs.
[15:29] <JediMaster> Toph: or rtorrent for terminal
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> cholo: depends when you last updated the OS
[15:29] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: what about term.log?
[15:29] <misse-> Toph: deluge is my opinion as well :)
[15:30] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: you around ?
[15:30] <niels1> ...still have no clue what to do with my blank screen...
[15:30] <Dr_Willis|2> ToeKutter:  theres fromt ends to change the controlls back,. or theres some command you cut/paste to move them back. I use Ubuntu-tweak to handle it.
[15:30] <cholo> last updated Beta 2
[15:30] <misse-> JediMaster: deluge has a cli interface as well
[15:30] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: Yup
[15:30] <cholo> a week ago
[15:30] <Travis-42> is there any way to see all of the changes I have made to /etc files?
[15:30] <jdahm> I love how the community page recommends 64 bit but the main download page recommends 32 bit
[15:30] <Toph> Dr_Willis|2,,, a very basic,, i'm new to bittorents
[15:30] <hsh902> how long just the new version of ubuntu is released?
[15:30] <Avasz> Toph, not sure if it is true.... but i have experienced more bandwidht in transmission than in deluge.
[15:30] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, empty
[15:30] <ActionParsnip> Toph: there is no single best application for any one situation in any OS
[15:30] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: what file was it that you posted?
[15:30] <Dr_Willis|2> Toph:  use the one included by default then. it does the job.
[15:30] <Avasz> Toph, if new.. then transmission will be ok.
[15:30] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, apt.log
[15:31] <zetheroo> so is there no way to edit the menu?
[15:31] <byomkeshbakshi> hi I tried to install ubuntu using wubi, but got this error
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> Toph: best is an opinion based on needs and tastes, why not try a few yourselfand use what YOU think is best
[15:31] <byomkeshbakshi> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: u'E:\\ubuntu\\install\\ubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso'
[15:31] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: are there any other files?
[15:31] <home-alone> does ubuntu 11.04 normal download has wubi installer in it...????
[15:31] <cholo> is there a requirment to upgrade from beta 2'
[15:31] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, yes, main.log
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> byomkeshbakshi: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded
[15:31] <Toph> sorry,, I hadn't noticed Transmission already installed
[15:31] <vibhav> wish me best of luck in install 11.04!
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> cholo: when you install upgrades you will be on the stable release
[15:31] <byomkeshbakshi> actionparsnip: no
[15:31] <KM0201> Toph: transmission has been a default app for... ? a while... a long while
[15:31] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: can I see that?
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> gl vibhav
[15:31] <cholo> ok i am on beta
 thanks
[15:32] <brianl> ActionParsnip, nope, no wireless card was detected
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> byomkeshbakshi: then how do you know it was consistent or complete?
[15:32] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, it got just 7 lines, nothing important
[15:32] <Dr_Willis|2> cholo:  upgradeing today may be slow - due to server load.
[15:32] <brianl> ActionParsnip, Maybe i will download natty onto a cd and perform a clean install and try again ugh
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> brianl: and that's in a Lucid install
[15:32] <cholo> maverick said i can upgtrade, beta 2 said nothung;'
[15:32] <brianl> ActionParsnip, yes lucid, it has always worked before also
[15:32] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, http://pastebin.com/BY8W6mgT
[15:32] <cholo> do i do dist-upgrade
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> brianl: very strange
[15:32] <cholo> in beta 2
[15:32] <KM0201> cholo: you should be able to.
[15:32] <hsh902> hey guys, does anyone know how long that we just have the new version of UBUNTU?? (ubuntu 11.4)
[15:32] <Dr_Willis|2> cholo sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade ,. perhaps sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    done...
[15:32] <cholo> ok
[15:33] <byomkeshbakshi> ActionParsnip: it made a logfile where this error is mentioned. Also, I just ran the installer from website, did not download an ISO image.
[15:33] <brianl> ActionParsnip, yep, maybe this button needs to be pressed on startup or something, ill mess around with it ;) Thanks anyways
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> cholo: upgrade or dist-uprade from beta2 and you will have the stable releasae
[15:33] <Dr_Willis|2> hsh902:  that made no sence.. rephrase the question.
[15:33] <cholo> outstanding
[15:33] <hsh902> sudo apt-dist upgrade
[15:33] <cholo> i have been using each alpha and beta.
[15:33] <Monotoko> I take it the torrents will be faster if I want to completly reinstall..?
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> byomkeshbakshi: without knowing if the image you have is good, you are wasting your time
[15:33] <cholo> i spoke with gnome2 developers at MIT last week
[15:33] <KM0201> hsh902: it's 11.04   and it will be supported for 18mo
[15:33] <Dr_Willis|2> Monotoko:  for downloading the iso's right now. toirrents are real fast.
[15:33] <cholo> er, gnome3 developers, last week
[15:33] <niels1> how come my intel laptop screen is just turned off? and how do I turn it on?
[15:34] <byomkeshbakshi> ActionParsnip: hmm, ok. Can you suggest proper way of installation?
[15:34] <eigba> How do you guys like unity? I know I will have to try it myself, just wanting to get opinions
[15:34] <cholo> and gnome3.2 will have on-screen keyboard (for you [and i] with tablet pc's)
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> !md5 | byomkeshbakshi
[15:34] <hsh902> Dr_Willis|2: today they just released the new version of 11.4? do u know when exactly?
[15:34] <cholo> eigba: its a great shell.
[15:34] <jatt> eigba: -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/648180
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> eigba: why do you need opinions? Do you want to  be told what to thhink?
[15:34] <Avasz> niels1, more details?
[15:34] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, any Idea how to compare the installed versions with the repo versions and how to downgrade the packages?
[15:34] <Dr_Willis|2> hsh902:  you mean the time? No idea.. donrt really care or pay attention to it.
[15:34] <ToeKutter> its called "Theme". I found it. thanks noone
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> eigba: it'sok. I suggest you install it and use it, you can always remove it
[15:34] <IncognitoMan> http://pastebin.com/1GwpDYip can anyone help me with my dial in problem? it seems to disconnect just as i connect :|
[15:34] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: apt-cache policy <package>
[15:35] <Incarus6> ToeKutter, your welcome
[15:35] <cholo> then +ban list in #ubuntu is quite facist.
[15:35] <eigba> Of course not I like to try out new things just wanted opinions
[15:35]  * Dr_Willis|2 sends ToeKutter the bill.
[15:35] <eigba> who the hell said I want to be told what to think
[15:35] <niels1> the scree is just turned of, like Ubuntu thinks it's closed or someting, it's just recognised, but switched of. Avasz
[15:35] <faylcon> just insalled 11.04 and it doesn't support my wireless card: BCM4318, 10.10 on another partition works just fine.
[15:35] <thegoodcushion> Anyone here using a Hewlett-Packard Deskjet 2000 with Ubuntu?  I'm thinking of buying one for my Ubuntu box and I want to know if it'll work well
[15:35] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, and for several / all packages?
[15:35] <ToeKutter> :-)
[15:35] <eigba> I honestly love gnome 3, but its always fun to try out new things
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> eigba: it smells the same
[15:35] <jdahm> why doesn't ubuntu push bittorrents more?
[15:35] <cholo> they do
[15:35] <jdahm> it is far easier to download
[15:35] <misse-> niels1: Hey, regarding your blank laptop screen + intel gpu.. there is some magic kernel option which I entered in grub on my moms laptop, at least for 10.04.
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> eigba: its a small download and easy to remove, try it and youo might like it
[15:35] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: maybe just try aptitude full-upgrade       and see what it reports
[15:35] <LjL> jdahm: we do...
[15:36] <Monotoko> IncognitoMan...how are you trying to connect...via command line?
[15:36] <cholo> its great to download.
[15:36] <jatt> eigba: or you might hate it
[15:36] <evfool> does anyone know how to contact someone from the canonical shop?
[15:36] <JediMaster> btw for those who want to do-release-upgrade a bit faster, check out the archive mirrors: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[15:36] <evdvelde> hi all, bluetooth troubles after upgrading to natty: adapter not found after booting (needs extra service restart) and bluetooth mouse moving and scrolling but not clicking... your help is appreciated!
[15:36] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, I tried that before, nothing happens (Im currently install ubuntu-desktop)
[15:36] <niels1> and how do I do that, misse-?
[15:36] <Incarus6> *installing
[15:36] <jdahm> LjL: I don't see it on the main page.  I had to go to "alternative downloads".  Is that right?
[15:36] <MK``> How's 11.04? :)
[15:36] <jdahm> LjL: I'm dlownloading it via torrent now
[15:36] <Avasz> niels1, laptop or desktop?
[15:36] <LjL> jdahm: well... we push it on IRC, at least.
[15:37] <niels1> Avasz laptop
[15:37] <eigba> Of course I have many boxes to try it on, just wanted to see what people here thought. From most reviews ive read people hate it. again trying it out is not the problem for me.
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> MK``: been fine here for months
[15:37] <Monotoko> torrent download is fast :D
[15:37] <MK``> Cool. I'll be torrenting it soon
[15:37] <Incarus6> MK``, it could be great, if you are able to install it ;)
[15:37] <bakanub> Somehow natty doesnt like my notebook. Native resolution is 1280x800, but Natty only allows me to choose 1024x768 (the rest is simply cropped). VGA is an integrated intel mobile gm965/gl960. Liveusb and a clean install gives the same result. Tried nomodeset - helped with the resolution, but lost unity
[15:37] <Avasz> niels1, sleep?
[15:37] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: yeah, Im not sure.  I also like to run `sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^`  with the ^
[15:37] <zzecool> hmmmm does anyone knows where is the Adobe AIR 2 package ????
[15:38] <cholo> dist-upgrade is not required
[15:38] <hsh902> is it correct? sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:38] <hsh902> ?
[15:38] <Incarus6> bakanub, does that issue only appear in unity?
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> Monotoko: lots of seeders ;)
[15:38] <cholo> sorry, is not working
[15:38] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, with the ^?
[15:38] <MK``> I probably won't upgrade just yet but I'll seed the torrent
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> hsh902: yes
[15:38] <niels1> what u mean, sleep? It's working now, I'm actually chatting to you on my laptop using an external screen Avasz.
[15:38] <bashelina> if you choose unity can you switch to gnome 2  at gdm ?
[15:38] <Monotoko> ActionParsnip...I usually seed for a few weeks when I've downloaded :)
[15:38] <jdahm> LjL: I'm probably switching to
[15:38] <MK``> I do want to upgrade however as the new kernel fixes a hardware bug for me
[15:38] <jdahm> LjL: eh sorry one sec
[15:38] <bakanub> Incarus6 the problem only is with 11.04. 10.10 worked out of the box
[15:38] <Avasz> niels1, oh.. you mean you have connected an external monitor?
[15:38] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: you around
[15:38] <Soothsayer> ?
[15:38] <Dr_Willis|2> bashelina: gnome 2 is the classic desktoip in the gdm menuis
[15:38] <jdahm> LjL: I'm probably switching to ubuntu because everyone at work runs it :P  (instead of arch)
[15:38] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: yes
[15:38] <Monotoko> I swear I've never seen this channel so busy
[15:39] <eigba> jdahm, Arch users here too
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> Monotoko: its one seed I always keep, Everything else I give 1 back. I also have a tiny text doc from a snes rom file to show idiots that ratio is worthless
[15:39] <Incarus6> bakanub, yes, 10.10 wasnt using unity by default. you used gnome before, right?
[15:39] <Dr_Willis|2> Monotoko:  typical release day. happens every 6 mo. :)
 IncognitoMan...how are you trying to connect...via command line? --> pretty much
[15:39] <LjL> jdahm: i recommend using !metalink myself
[15:39] <yellow7> how do i update from 11.04 beta to the official release?
[15:39] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, one minute ;)
[15:39] <IncognitoMan> its my dc pc server setup
[15:39] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: Already answered yes the first time...
[15:39] <zzecool> does anyone knows where is the Adobe AIR 2 package ????
[15:39] <niels1> yeah, and that one works, Avasz, but the laptop screen itself is blank (but recognised, and configured in "monitors" settings) disconnecting my external doesn't help.
[15:39] <Bisu[Shield]> how do I run the output of a string as a command. eg run >> ( history | grep ssh )
[15:39] <Radios> im running slack 13.37
[15:39] <IncognitoMan> dreamcast -> pc -> eth
[15:39] <Avasz> niels1, then.. there are some shortcut keys in your laptop to have dual screen... mine is fn+f7. not sure what its in yours.
[15:39] <Dr_Willis|2> yellow7:  if you update normally.. it will do that.
[15:39] <bakanub> Incarus6, yes
[15:39] <Incarus6> yellow7, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:39] <td123> yellow7: just do a normal update
[15:39] <jdahm> LjL: what do you mean?
[15:39] <ToeKutter> Unity doesnt run in VMWare... blah..
[15:40] <Avasz> niels1, but dont try that combination without being sure.
[15:40] <Monotoko> ActionParsnip...any idea how I seed it from this computer when I install natty?
[15:40] <brianl> ActionParsnip, I got it working now ;D I booted into windows, turned the wireless on, then booted back into linux and it worked.
[15:40] <Dr_Willis|2> ToeKutter:  try the unity-2d desktop then.
[15:40] <niels1> Avasz, it is in dual screen mode, my laptop actually tinks it's on, it just isn't.
[15:40] <cholo> ToeKutter: Gnome3 does not run in VMWare on Fedora Beta and Ubuntu Beta
[15:40] <ToeKutter> Dr-Willis - what do I need to do for that?
[15:40] <cholo> Its not Unity.
[15:40] <cholo> do i need to change any sources for upgrading beta2 to official release
[15:40] <cholo> *sigh*
[15:40] <Dr_Willis|2> ToeKutter:  install the proper package I guess.. ive just read about the unity-2d stuff using qt.
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> Monotoko: you could add the torrent and get the file created, then kill the app and replace the partial file with the completed file, you will then seed it
[15:41] <ToeKutter> k. ill snoop around
[15:41] <Ubuntu_user> Wow 11.04 released
[15:41] <Dr_Willis|2> cholo:  no you do not.
[15:41] <Avasz> niels1, try some combination with fn.. and function keys with monitor type pic on it.
[15:41] <Monotoko> ActionParsnip...that's what I was thinking, thanks :)
[15:41] <Ubuntu_user> any tried it? hows it?
[15:41] <Dr_Willis|2> cholo:  if you installed/used beta. the normal update/upgrade/dist-upgrade will update you to the filnal release.
[15:41] <brianl> Can someone tell me what the difference between update-manager and sudo apt-get update is? when i run the apt-get command it just says done, but when i use update-manager it has tons of stuff that i need to update
[15:41] <Dr_Willis|2> !final
[15:41] <remoteCTRL3> hi guys! i need some sort of linux app that helps me shrink 3MB jpegs to 150KB jepegs, any ideas please?
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> brianl: cool, I suggest you go into device manager and tell windows to not allow the device to wake up the OS, and disable power management on it
[15:41] <cholo> i dont see any notifications for Final Release
[15:41] <cholo> when i do dist-upgrade and re-check via Update Manager GUI
[15:42] <ToeKutter> Dr Willis - its in Software center
[15:42] <hiexpo> remoteCTRL1, gimp
[15:42] <cholo> should i select the source "proposed Natty"
[15:42] <Dr_Willis|2> cholo:  perhaps there is no update that 'final' is out.. since it just sees it as a set of normal uypdate dpackages.
[15:42] <ToeKutter> "Unity 2D Panel"
[15:42] <arand> cholo: I guess you have it then
[15:42] <Incarus6> cholo, dist-upgrade wont show release notifications, try "update-manager"
[15:42] <remoteCTRL3> hiexpo: erm... maybe smothing that does not require an academical title...?
[15:42] <Monotoko> I don't think it shows a release notification
[15:42] <ChogyDan> cholo: try update-manager -c
[15:42] <Monotoko> just a lot of packages
[15:42] <ChaosR> lol, bug, enabling sync to vblank results in epic slowness
[15:42] <cholo> -c right?
[15:42] <Incarus6> cholo, did you use the beta version before?
[15:42] <Monotoko> it did when I was testing 10.10
[15:42] <cholo> dddYeah
[15:42] <IncognitoMan> hmm...
[15:43] <likewhoaho2> Brb, I just farted out a butt turd
[15:43] <Ubuntu_user> hows 11.04,
[15:43]  * IncognitoMan scratches head
[15:43] <cholo> hmm
[15:43] <Incarus6> cholo, so its updating like normal package updates, not like a release upgrade
[15:43] <niels1> Avasz that doesn't do anything besides freezing the one I have...
[15:43] <cholo> I have used Alpha nd Beta etc..
[15:43] <Dr_Willis|2> cholo:  so you proberly are updated then
[15:43] <LjL> !metalink > jdahm    (jdahm, see the private message from ubottu)
[15:43] <cholo> I am on Beta2
[15:43] <cholo> Hmmph
[15:44] <evdvelde> hi all, bluetooth troubles after upgrading to natty: adapter not found after booting (needs extra service restart) and bluetooth mouse moving and scrolling but not clicking... your help is appreciated!
[15:44] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, should I retry to upgrade after that command (which I didnt run yet)
[15:44] <nijabo> I tried an update, didn't get many updates at all.. like 700kb
[15:44] <cholo> do you think it has changed a bunch?
[15:44] <cholo> hey evdvelde : do sudo killall bluetoothd ; bluetoothd
[15:44] <Monotoko> cholo, go to "Help" then "About"
[15:44] <cholo> i think this bug will get fixed soon.
[15:44] <Ubuntu_user> I always face grub problem when Win 7 and Ubuntu dual boot
[15:44] <cholo> Monotoko:.
[15:44] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: I think
[15:44] <Monotoko> and see if it says anything about Beta
[15:44] <arand> !final | cholo
[15:45] <cholo> ok
[15:45] <jdahm> LjL: see it.  Thanks
[15:45] <evdvelde> cholo: on restarting the service (/etc/init.d/bluetooth restart) adapter is found, but the mouse acts strangely
[15:45] <Ubuntu_user> any solution
[15:45] <nijabo> thanks arand
[15:45] <escott> Ubuntu_user, need more information
[15:45] <nijabo> Didn't find any upgrades, suppose my system is up-to-date
[15:45] <cholo> evdvelde: yeah there should be some changes via PPA
[15:46] <urbanpt> Hi!
[15:46] <cholo> i had some issues with Broadcom 2.0's
[15:46] <evdvelde> cholo: so i just have to pray and wait for updates? :)
[15:46] <flo> what about the energy consumption of memory? say, running latexila uses only 5,7 MB, the same docs in gedit take 47,5 MB, however. is there a difference in the energy software "consumes"?
[15:46] <cholo> (which is unacceptable)
[15:46] <ScreenIssues> Question: Upgraded 10.10 to 11.04. Screen was black on reboot. Downloaded the new 11.04 iso to clean install. Installer is too dim on monitor (new laptop) to install. Is there a solution?
[15:46] <cholo> evdvelde: no, just look for a patch/fix
[15:46] <evdvelde> cholo: been looking, the kernel with patch failed as well
[15:46] <cholo> ScreenIssues: Use the function key + Fx key
[15:47] <cholo> evdvelde:  it is not a kernel issue.
[15:47] <ScreenIssues> Fx key?
[15:47] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  Yep when i install both together in different drives I face this problem. As soon as i start windows and restart the computer it shows me black screen written that grub found no operating system and so on
[15:47] <cholo> i think it is a userspace patch
[15:47] <escott> flo not really it still gets clocked regularly
[15:47] <Monotoko> guys: "If you have been keeping up-to-date via the update manager, you automatically have the latest version, the Release Candidate. To do it via the command line, just enter"
[15:47] <evdvelde> cholo: http://fossplanet.com/f10/%5Bbug-700292%5D-%5Bnew%5D-bluetooth-keybord-after-natty-upgrade-not-working-92191/index2.html
[15:47] <Monotoko> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=574326
[15:47] <bkerensa> Ubuntu Natty repos seem so slow.... 99kbps downloads ugh
[15:47] <cholo> hmm
[15:47] <Monotoko> bkerensa, it will be
[15:47] <cholo> bkerensa: change the source
[15:47] <azi`> i have installed an application (adobe AIR) that is only supported on 32 bit ubuntu. now i've noticed that there is no sound in *.air applications. is there any way I could check if there is some i386 sound library that is missing?
[15:47] <brianl> im getting 20mb/sec eh
[15:47] <nijabo> bkerensa, many people are updating now perhaps
[15:47] <jnye> silly question.. how do i move the new launcher to the right hand side of the screen?
[15:47] <brianl> kb/sec i mean lol
[15:47] <cholo> i use use an Internet2 downloader
[15:48] <DirtyDawg> great when trying the new ubuntu the screen goes so dim i cant see it :(
[15:48] <philsf> hi. since yesterday I don't have a pidgin indicator in the messaging menu. How can I re-enable it?
[15:48] <Ubuntu_user> brianl:  thats too good
[15:48] <Incarus6> bkerensa, change repos to a local server instead of the general server
[15:48] <Monotoko> do they have torrent repos..?
[15:48] <cholo> use ubuntu.media.mit.edu/ubuntu
[15:48] <jatt> jnye: you cannot
[15:48] <escott> Ubuntu_user, so grub loads but can't chainload windows? or after a windows boot grub can't load anything
[15:48] <brianl> Ubuntu_user, I meant kb/sec
[15:48] <cholo> they do not have torrent repos
[15:48] <urbanpt> I'm not very familiar with the new upstart manager, but I needed to have a job running after each time mysql is restarted. I've added the script path to /etc/init/mysql.conf on the post-start script part but it didn't work. Any hints?
[15:48] <Monotoko> damn :(
[15:48] <jatt> jnye: you cannot hide it either
[15:48] <bkerensa> Has anyone tried Classic Session on Natty? I dont wanna use the Unity Integrated menus.
[15:48] <Ubuntu_user> brianl:  ohhh sudden
[15:48] <tim__> hi! first of all: congrats on the new ubuntu, seems like a great release!
[15:48] <ChogyDan> Monotoko:  http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[15:48] <cholo> bkerensa: Classic will be phased out next 11.11 release
[15:48] <invinciblemutant> has anyone here successfully upgraded from 10.10 using do-release-upgrade
[15:49] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  i think windows does something
[15:49] <jnye> jatt: that's anonying.. i'm on a dual screen setup with virtualbox on the right.. i can't get the launcher to pop up easily since my mouse moves to the other monitor
[15:49] <bkerensa> cholo: Are you kidding me?
[15:49] <brianl> cholo, why is that?
[15:49] <shermanboyd_> could anyone tell me what the state of softraid is in 11.04, I think the docs I am reading are out of date
[15:49] <bkerensa> cholo: So they are forcing people to use integrated menus
[15:49] <invinciblemutant> cholo: gnome to be phased out?
[15:49] <tim__> only have one problem though: i have an hp mini 210 and although all problems i had to conquer on 10.10 have been solved, one remains: the touchpad gives a lot of problems when for example wanting to select things
[15:49] <ChogyDan> cholo is just trolling folks
[15:49] <MK``> I predict a GNOME 3 Gubuntu derivative around the time of the next release.
[15:49] <Tristantio> I don't use menus (I use hotkeys like CTRL ALT F for firefox).  Is there any point for me to go 11.04?
[15:49] <arand> cholo: That decision is not finalised, but expected I think.
[15:50] <zaid_h> owdy folks
[15:50] <phoque_uni> can I use my keychain if I copy my ~ directory to a new/old Ubuntu install?
[15:50] <Ubuntu_user> Is any body using Ubuntu with Windows 7
[15:50] <berefeira> unity on netbook, what say you?
[15:50] <philsf> hi. since yesterday I don't have a pidgin indicator in the messaging menu. How can I re-enable it? I've been using natty since beta
[15:50] <MK``> Yeah Ubuntu_user
[15:50] <tim__> it's very jumpy. have been looking for solutions again but honestly ive tried so many things from synaptics that im pretty confused :)
[15:50] <Amanda> Hello. I'm writing an upgrade guide and do-release-upgrade failed with some errors/asked me to report it as a bug. I can do that, but I was wondering if there are any compelling reasons not to have people mangle sources.list manually and do it the old fashioned way to get around this
[15:50] <Monotoko> Ubuntu_user...XP and Ubuntu, whats up?
[15:50] <brianl> Ubuntu_user, I have my computer partitioned with windows 7 and ubuntu
[15:50] <MK``> same ^
[15:50] <escott> Ubuntu_user, you need to better explain your problem i dont understand what you are saying is happening
[15:50] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, "libpolkit-gobject-1-0 : Stört: libpolkit-gtk-1-0 (< 0.99) aber 0.96-2ubuntu4 soll installiert werden" sry ik its german, should i translate?
[15:50] <invinciblemutant> i find it is not easy to upgrade to natty
[15:50] <Ubuntu_user> MK``: Monotoko  brianl  are you guys using full install or install inside windows
[15:51] <invinciblemutant> terminated by itself twice
[15:51] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: what command is that from?
[15:51] <bkerensa> Well if they remove the Classic Session option from Natty I will have to go back to Maverick
[15:51] <Amanda> invinciblemutant: Did you have the same problem? :S
[15:51] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  Okay I tell it
[15:51] <MK``> full install Ubuntu_user, separate partitions using the LiveCD
[15:51] <Monotoko> Ubuntu_user..full install
[15:51] <invinciblemutant> same problem?
[15:51] <brianl> I did a full install from boot off the cd, completely separate from windows
[15:51] <Amanda> invinciblemutant: See what I said above haha
[15:51] <flo> escott, what's clocking?
[15:51] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^"
[15:51] <jatt> jnye yeah it as also a lot of issues with dual monitors stuff too
[15:51] <shermanboyd_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReliableRaid
[15:51] <invinciblemutant> amanda: you have the same problem too?
[15:51] <nazo> could anybody please tell me where I can find an md5sum for the 11.04 desktop image listed on the website?
[15:51] <invinciblemutant> amanda: have you got the solution?
[15:51] <nazo> thanks
[15:51] <bkerensa> I do not like this integrated menus stuff.... It reminds me when MS added the crayola crayon of a taskbar to XP
[15:51] <Amanda> invinciblemutant: Nope :(
[15:52] <Ubuntu_user> MK``:  So Win 7 don't create any problems with booting
[15:52] <invinciblemutant> amanda: have you got any idea from the room?
[15:52] <berefeira> has anyone run apt-get dist-upgrade and had problems?
[15:52] <arand> Amanda: do-release-upgrade does that and disables PPAs etc. in addition, it also creates opens SSH for recovery purposes I think, but in essence yes, editing sources is fully possible, but you have to know what you're doing, obviously...
[15:52] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: is that the only error?  or just the last?
[15:52] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, the only error
[15:52] <MK``> Ubuntu_user: nope, works fine. Although, after I installed ubuntu, the final character of all the passwords of user accounts on windows 7 were cut off, *no idea* how that occured.
[15:52] <invinciblemutant> i use do-release-upgrade
[15:52] <Monotoko> Ubuntu_user...I have done some Ubuntu/Win 7 installs...what's the issue? If you install Win7 first, then shrink the parition from the live CD and install from there it's usually okay (Windows 7 may need a disk check)
[15:52] <[Soma]> Anyone figure out how I can make the app launcher in Unity NOT auto-hide?! I'm so sick of having to open it every time I wanna switch applications.
[15:53] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, lets ignore that. Im restarting the upgrade thing
[15:53] <shermanboyd_> I'm looking for information on the current state of software raid in ubuntu, is it on par with rhel yet?
[15:53] <[Soma]> also, alt-tabbing between programs doesn't work anymore. :S
[15:53] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: ok, can you translate for me?  :)
[15:53] <vibhav> Is the CD bug fixed??
[15:53] <invinciblemutant> i think natty should be renamed to nasty
[15:53] <jatt> hehe
[15:53] <bkerensa> ChogyDan: So if they remove Classic from Natty will there be a solid workaround to scrap Unity for Gnome 2
[15:53] <flo> shetlandpony, clocking
[15:53] <flo> ?,
[15:53] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, "libpolkit-gobject-1-0 : Disrupt: libpolkit-gtk-1-0 (< 0.99) but 0.96-2ubuntu4 should be installed"
[15:53] <ChogyDan> bkerensa: classic is part of natty already
[15:54] <Amanda> arand: Okay so doing it that way isn't going to break 349805 things or anything unless of course someone messes it up? :P
[15:54] <invinciblemutant> this is the first time i fail upgrade with ubuntu
[15:54] <flo> ! clock
[15:54] <flo> ! clocking
[15:54] <exchgr> does anyone know how i can use a mirror for upgrading to natty? this is slooooow
[15:54] <Incarus6> !clock
[15:54] <bkerensa> ChogyDan: Yeah but apparently they plan to remove the Classic option in future releases and force Unity
[15:54] <Incarus6> flo, ?
[15:54] <flo> !clock
[15:54] <escott> flo system clock is generating signals to dram at X megahertz. don't think dram knows it is empty so it always refreshes
[15:54] <escott> ie no change in energy usage with memory usage
[15:55] <ActionParsnip> exchgr: all mirrors will be "slooooow", it's release day. Think about it
[15:55] <nick87720z> Please, help me to upgrade distro from lucid
[15:55] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: you could try aptitude upgrade libpolkit-gobject-1-0        see what options it gives
[15:55] <nick87720z> I have ubuntu based distro
[15:55] <thegoodcushion> Okay guys I'm thinking of buying a HP Deskjet 2000 for Ubuntu so I can print out color-coded source code using gedit.  Any last thoughts before I plonk the money down?
[15:55] <exchgr> ActionParsnip, yes, but wouldn't at least one of them be less slow?
[15:55] <nick87720z> Update manager from gnome just don't show new releases
[15:55] <ActionParsnip> nick87720z: you will either need to upgrade to maverick, then to natty OR do a clean install of natty
[15:55] <arand> Amanda: Or if you have a really messy system with lots of additional repositories which messes things up, it should be fine otherwise yes, but the other methid is the recommended one, obviously.
[15:55] <flo> escott, i think i understand. so energy saving is a little difficult with the pc turned on, isn't it? (except for the screen, perhaps)
[15:55] <nick87720z> ah
[15:55] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, nothing. nothing to install, nothing to fix, ...
[15:55] <m4k> Can any one help me why this shell script running in loop http://pastebin.com/y9jHX201
[15:55] <nick87720z> I checked to show only lts releases
[15:56] <nick87720z> Is it possible?
[15:56] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, let me try the upgrade
[15:56] <invinciblemutant> u can use do-release-upgrade
[15:56] <zzecool> unity is the FAIL
[15:56] <ActionParsnip> exchgr: i'd say they will ALL be slow as a LOT of users are upgrading. If you torrent the alternate natty ISO you can do an offline upgrade but you will then need to upgrade natty to the latest packages which will take more time
[15:56] <escott> flo various components can be turned off/spun down. the chip can run slower the harddrives spun down, you may be able to turn off your network card etc, but not ram usage. install powertop it can optimize for battery life
[15:56] <bkerensa>  ChogyDan: Yeah but apparently they plan to remove the Classic option in future releases and force Unity
[15:56] <IncognitoMan> Monotoko: did you get my last message? and if so did you answer it? ( its starting to become hard to catch up lol )
[15:56] <Ubuntu_user> MK``:  escott  check this http://pastebin.com/BGPe1yUw
[15:56] <Monotoko> nick87720z: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1140198
[15:56] <shermanboyd_> does anyone in here boot from a softraid 1 or 10 with ubuntu?
[15:57] <exchgr> ActionParsnip, they should set up a torrent-based apt
[15:57] <Monotoko> you need to change it so it will show "normal" releases
[15:57] <escott> Ubuntu_user, win 7 doesn't like being messed with
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> exchgr: true, I use apt-fast, it's sweeet
[15:57] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: ok, go for it.  but maybe libpolkit-gtk-1-0 is the problem package
[15:57] <pigdad> So I started the Ubuntu install CD, pressed "try ubuntu" and nothing happened
[15:57] <exchgr> ActionParsnip, wtf is that? *googles*
[15:57] <pigdad> Is that a bad sign?
[15:57] <Amanda> arand: Awesome, thanks!
[15:57] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  what i researched, i found that win 7 creates problem with grub
[15:57] <escott> Ubuntu_user, did you shrink win7 and move the start of the partition, or just shrink it and keep the start of the partition where it was
[15:57] <Sidewinder1> I have searched and searched...Could any supply me with the hash (md5sum) for: Natty, 11.04 i386 desktop.iso I have been seeding it for 2:47 and the hashs don't agree.
[15:58] <while> i have a question . i am currently running windows 7 and ubuntu 10.10 in a dual boot system and i would very much like to reinstall ubuntu 11.04 over the current ubuntu i`m running without messing up my MBR or the GRUB ... can someone tell me how can this be done ?
[15:58] <Monotoko> pigdad...what do you mean by "nothing happened"?
[15:58] <MK``> Ubuntu_user: I never had it mess with my grub installation.
[15:58] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, yeah that could be, but apt-get install -f doesnt show up any dependency errors
[15:58] <nick87720z> yeah, thanks
[15:58] <Astalaseven> pigdad, did you do this in a other os?
[15:58] <pigdad> Monotoko: It stalled for a long while and just continued showing the window
[15:58] <flo> !powertop
[15:58] <nick87720z> Strange, that it needs special actions in command line
[15:58] <pigdad> Monotoko: I should specify. This is booted into the CD.
[15:58] <usr13> pigdad: Did you check your iso for integrity?
[15:58] <pigdad> usr13: Hm, I'll do that once I reboot
[15:58] <escott> while, just reinstall, it should just put the newer grub on top of the old one. if you need to backup your grub.conf do that prior to the install and then you can merge you special config back in
[15:59] <Monotoko> pigdad...can you move around the menu beforehand?
[15:59] <Monotoko> if so go to "check CD"
[15:59] <Ubuntu_user> escott: I just shrinked my second drive D:/  to a new partition of 50 GB, then divided it into 3 partitions
[15:59] <while> escott, thank you i just needed a confirmation
[15:59] <Monotoko> or whatever it says
[15:59] <Lars_G> Hmmm Why can't I get into ubuntu+1?
[15:59] <[Soma]> how do I customise all the things that unity messed up without asking me? (navbar on top instead of bottom, app launcher set to auto-hide, etc)
[15:59] <Lars_G> or is 11.04 final already
[15:59] <Lars_G> ?
[15:59] <[Soma]> I'm going insane here
[15:59] <LjL> Lars_G: because Natty is out, so the channel has been closed
[15:59] <pigdad> Monotoko: The menu didn't show up. I opened a terminal window by switching to a VT and running gnome-terminal
[15:59] <Lars_G> Ok
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> Lars_G: yes
[15:59] <Lars_G> LjL: Then I'll ask here.
[16:00]  * Incarus6 thinks 11.04 is much more important then a royal wedding
[16:00] <escott> Ubuntu_user, i don't have any problems with the config now, but but i did have numerous assorted problems that required multiple restores of win7 and reinstalls of ubuntu
[16:00] <Ubuntu_user> MK``:  you lucky one, google it millions out there facing this problem
[16:00] <Monotoko> pigdad...so you get as far as X opening?
[16:00] <pigdad> But yeah, I'll check the disk for integrity. I torrented the iso so chances are it's OK, but maybe it burned wrong
[16:00] <Lars_G> Has Xorg dropped the use of /etc/X11/xorg.conf altogether? and I don't mean the change made long ago whereas it was optional, I mean wether it has stopped considering it compeltely
[16:00] <Sidewinder1> Incarus6, +3
[16:00] <pigdad> Monotoko: Correct
[16:00] <pigdad> Monotoko: X opened, and stuff runs correctly, the shell just didn't load
[16:00] <ChogyDan> bkerensa: who knows.  It might be their goal, but it is best to wait till after the UDS
[16:00] <Monotoko> pigdad...you should be able to check the logs to see what went wrong
[16:00] <agrab> Are there 3 drivers available for ati/amd-cards? the default "radeon" driver, fglrx and the catalyst driver?
[16:01] <mnoyce> Spotted a bug in the 11.04 disk partition part of the installer. No longer lets you type a mount point. You can only select from the drop-down list of options.
[16:01] <escott> Lars_G, pretty much, you can still create one but xorg is mostly autoconfiged these days
[16:01] <MK``> Ubuntu_user: yeah :( you can probably fix grub with a liveCD, these guys can help, I am not an expert
[16:01] <biffbaxter> No mini iso yet for 11.04 but it looks like the rest is there
[16:01] <usr13> escott: WHen you restored win7, you also needed to reinstall ubuntu?
[16:01] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  i am not able to get a solution
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> biffbaxter: wanna bet
[16:01] <vladi> anyone have issues running vmware player/workstation after the upgrade?
[16:01] <Monotoko> usr13...you will need to reinstall GRUB
[16:01] <Monotoko> because Windows will use its bootloader
[16:01] <escott> usr13, all I had was a restore image, not an install disk, it would blow away the entire partition table
[16:01] <Monotoko> but not Ubuntu itself
[16:01] <usr13> Monotoko: Oh yea, I  know.
[16:01] <Lars_G> escott: I created one long ago, to setup my synaptics touchpad, but since the last update in +1 to final (I guess it's final now), I can't use the mouse and synclient says the driver's not even installed
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> biffbaxter: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[16:01] <Holek> is there a configuration backup for compiz after upgrade?
[16:01] <Lars_G> escott: So I'm thinking xorg is ignoring the file.
[16:01] <agrab> which drivers are available for ati-cards?
[16:02] <Ubuntu_user> MK``:  but it will become a daily issue to fix grub each time u run window
[16:02] <bkerensa> ChogyDan: How can I change repos when doing a natty upgrade so the download process if faster
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> Lars_G: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:02] <escott> Lars_G, it shouldn't ignore the file, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:02] <usr13> escott: I didn't think win7 would re-quire you to re-partition the HD?  (But I don't know for sure...)
[16:02] <Lars_G> escott: There's no mention to the driver on the log at all
[16:02] <jatt> where are the iso's md5sums
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> Holek: how do you mean?
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> !hashes
[16:02] <escott> Lars_G, try reinstalling it
[16:02] <urbanpt> I'm not very familiar with the new upstart manager, but I needed to have a job running after each time mysql is restarted. I've added the script path to /etc/init/mysql.conf on the post-start script part but it didn't work. Any hints?
[16:03] <Sidewinder1> Thanx AP
[16:03] <ToeKutter> what is "..a Qt-based implementation.." mean ?
[16:03] <escott> usr13, if you restore a backup image the entire disk gets restored
[16:03] <agrab> are there more than 2 drivers available for ati-cards?
[16:03] <Lars_G> escott: Though, it does say it's reading xorg.conf in the log
[16:03] <jatt> the 11.04 hashes are not there
[16:03] <escott> Lars_G, the synaptics driver that is
[16:03] <arand> !upstart | urbanpt
[16:03] <Lars_G> escott: I will
[16:03] <escott> Ubuntu_user, what are your win7 reinstall options
[16:03] <Holek> ActionParsnip: I had my configured Compiz and with the upgrade Ubuntu basically trashed all the configuration I had
[16:03] <Lars_G> escott: Since I see no error even in the log
[16:04] <jatt> unity doesn't use compiz
[16:04] <biffbaxter> !ActionParsnip - that iso is not the current build. I dowloaded it a week ago and its the same one and the datestamp is 21April
[16:04] <Ubuntu_user> escott: please explain
[16:04] <arand> jatt: http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[16:04] <Holek> I am not on Unity
[16:04] <flo> escott, thank you! that's a point to start from. just browsed a bit through ubuntusers.de on those energy-saving hints.
[16:04] <[Soma]> someone please help me, I'm going insane with unity. how do I change that the app-launcher on the left is NOT auto-hide but constantly visible so it doesn't take me ages to switch between apps. also, how do I enable alt-tabbing between apps, and how -- for the love of god -- do I customise the top navbar (the part with the time etc in it)
[16:04] <usr13> escott: Oh, I see.
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> jatt: http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/MD5SUMS
[16:04] <Sidewinder1> ActionParsnip, I checked the link you graciously gave...It hasn't been updated. :-( No hash for Natty
[16:04] <vladi> anyone have issues running vmware player/workstation after the upgrade?
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> jatt: I'll see if I can update it
[16:05] <yeik> I get the feeling today is going to be a busy day.
[16:05] <arand> jatt: Unity uses compiz.
[16:05] <lugkhast> [Soma]: Auto-hiding can be disabled through CCSM
[16:05] <ts145nera> hello, is dangerous upgrade kubuntu maveric to natty?
[16:05] <ScreenIssues> Trying to install 11.04 from DVD, installer is too dim to read. Laptop screen dim function keys do not do anything. Is there a way to boot the installer in to some sort of safe graphical mode?
[16:05] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  what windows 7 install options?
[16:05] <lugkhast> [Soma]: Also, moving your mouse to the top-left corner instantly shows the left dock
[16:05] <KrisDouglas> ScreenIssues, you may be better off using the alternate install disk.
[16:06] <ScreenIssues> I'll give that a go
[16:06] <KrisDouglas> That's a text based installer, it could be that the live disk does not fully support the backlight control on your computer.
[16:06] <wolfjb> I'm getting a segfault when installing nspluginwrapper on natty amd64. is there a way around this? flashplugin_installer won't install until nspluginwrapper is completely installed
[16:06] <usr13> ScreenIssues: alternate CD is the non-gui one.
[16:06] <Roasted_> Is there an official download of 11.04 2d?
[16:06] <escott> Ubuntu_user, well there are lots of ways Win7 can get broken. bootloader which might be fixable with the windows 7 rescue disk (you can download that). or Win7 can start thinking that there is some kind of hardware change and get stuck on PnP during boot. and a thousand other things, so I just kept reinstalling Win7 from my backup image on a USB drive until I managed to somehow not break it. took a couple attempts, but I found that wh
[16:06] <escott> ile I could safely resize the ntfs partition I could not then move it
[16:06] <KM0201> Roasted: yes, its out
[16:06] <yxz97> http://pastebin.com/p2HraCWq
[16:06] <yxz97> please help
[16:06] <arand> Roasted_: 2d?
[16:07] <Roasted_> KM0201, but 2d in particular?
[16:07] <Roasted_> arand, unity 2d
[16:07] <yxz97> cannot start vuze in ubuntu
[16:07] <[Soma]> lugkhast: but what annoys me deeply is that first I have to navigate the pointer to the top-left, then the launcher pops out, and then I still have to select the app I wanna switch too. I wanna be able to click on it instantly. but thanks, I'm installing ccsm!
[16:07] <Roasted_> arand, I installed ubuntu on my cr-48 and its running kind of sluggish
[16:07] <loseweighttttttt> is windows server any good?
[16:07] <yxz97> any idea?, please check the pastebin URL i posted..
[16:07] <Roasted_> I remember there being a 2d
[16:07] <KM0201> Roasted: oh, 2d.. id on't think so.
[16:07] <arand> Roasted_: It can be installed, but is not default in any release no.
[16:07] <arand> Roasted_: apt-get install unity-2d
[16:07] <arand> Roasted_: And select it at login
[16:07] <escott> yxz97, looks like you are trying to run a 64bit program on a 32bit system
[16:08] <Roasted_> arand, so that'll allow me to have 3d and 2d available?
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> Holek: then use your own backups, or just resetup the WM
[16:08] <escott> yxz97, or that you have a 32bit jvm on a 64bit system. what is Azureus
[16:08] <arand> Roasted_: Yes, choose at login.
[16:08] <yxz97> its a bittorrent client
[16:08] <yxz97> but I want all 32bits
[16:08] <yxz97> no mess
[16:09] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  I am sure win 7 is intact only ubuntu grub is deleted or something
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> !info azureus
[16:09] <Holek> ActionParsnip: the thing is, I didn't do any, and with any other configuration file it always asked me if I'm okay with changes being made...
[16:09] <escott> yxz97, something is 64bit did you download/install a 64bit version of Azureus or a 64bit JVM
[16:09] <ts145nera> hello, is dangerous upgrade kubuntu maveric to natty? How many time?
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> yxz97: azureus is in the repos
[16:09] <avij> ipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com seems to complain that the "requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker" when downloading the various ubuntu-11.04-*.iso files. could someone please authorize the ubuntu isos to that ipv6 tracker?
[16:09] <jbwiv> oh my word people...who decided on such a white theme for the ubuntu.com page? Please, please, put a background in place which is easier on the eyes...that damned thing looks embarrassing. I thought the page was broken at first
[16:09] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, still isntalling
[16:09] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  I am sure win 7 is intact only ubuntu grub is deleted or something
[16:09] <phoque_uni> what's the difference between i386 and amd64, other than the 4GB limit?
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> Holek: then all I can sugest is you reset it up, I also suggest you review your backup regime to include the compiz settings
[16:10] <Sylphid> hey all....having a problem with front panel audio, if i start audio it everything defaults to rear panel however if i run aplay /some/audio.wav and start another track durring the aplay it goes to the front panel, any tips on how to toggle between front and back panel only?
[16:10] <escott> Ubuntu_user, grub would install over the mbr and then try to chainload the win7 loader on its partition, but that loader may have hard coded addresses for other components of the windows boot which may have moved during the resize
[16:10] <econdudeawesome> howdy all!
[16:11] <arand> phoque_uni: Performance, and the ~3.2G limit is only for individual applications if you use PAE.
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> phoque_uni: each process can use more than 4Gb RAM, extra features enabled in the CPU
[16:11] <phoque_uni> hm
[16:11] <escott> Ubuntu_user, the combination of resize + replacing the windows mbr bootloader could break the win boot requiring either a win7 reinstall or the use of win7 rescue cd to fix the boot process
[16:11] <yxz97> ok, iḿ installing it from the repos now
[16:11] <econdudeawesome> Is there anyway to remove all GUI's from my Ubuntu install and just use it similar to Ubuntu Server? I built it up from ubuntu minimal, but cannot upgrade to 11.04 so I just want to scrap the gui.
[16:11] <arand> phoque_uni: 64bit is faster in almost all cases.
[16:11] <phoque_uni> ok
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> phoque_uni: heavy computatinal thins like video encoding will be faster, regular desktop stuff will not see any noticable speed change
[16:11] <walent> can someone help me
[16:11] <phoque_uni> will go with 64 bit then
[16:11] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  yes thats true, what  people are saying over ubuntu forums, windows does something with MBR
[16:11] <LAcan> does anyone know how I take my NIC out of monitor mode or restart it?
[16:12] <walent> how do i install slovak language on ubutnu, i already installed english
[16:12] <Holek> great
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> arand: for standard desktop stuff the increase is negligible
[16:12] <CELEBRATE> h
[16:12] <CELEBRATE> hi
[16:12] <Holek> and now I get segfault on emerald, toio
[16:12] <Holek> too*
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> Holek: emerald is no longer maintained
[16:12] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  maybe 11.04 has some solution to it
[16:12] <escott> econdudeawesome, uninstall Xorg and all Xlibs should remove everything else. be aware many command line tools have guis and might get pulled in
[16:12] <phoque_uni> somehow I can't get this stupid USB Thumbdrive to be recognised by my BIOS
[16:13] <CELEBRATE> mirrors: http://www.computerhilfe-forum.com/board75-snowlinux-de-das-neue-projekt/1450-linux-snowlinux-1-cold-gnome-32-bit-released/
[16:13] <LAcan> walent, system/adminstration/language support
[16:13] <econdudeawesome> thanks escott--I know my command line tools, so that should work alright. Should I reboot first?
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> phoque_uni: ask in ##hardware
[16:13] <econdudeawesome> escott: rather: boot into a command line?
[16:13] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, !#%$& still not working
[16:13] <Holek> ActionParsnip: so, where can I change current window decorator options?
[16:13] <escott> econdudeawesome, you can just Ctrl-Alt-F1
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> Holek: ccsm or simple-ccsm
[16:13] <LAcan> Holek, right click the desktop, last option
[16:13] <walent> LAcan, i did but its sort of greyed out
[16:14] <LAcan> walent, then u need to install the language pack from ubuntu software center
[16:14] <necrotik> Hi all having a bit of a problem. I just got a nvidia gt 430 to hook up ubuntu to my tv. I set the sound settings to use HDA Nvidia Digital Stereo (HDMI) but I do not hear anything coming out of my tv.
[16:14] <LAcan> does anyone know how I take my NIC out of monitor mode or restart it? escott?
[16:14] <escott> Ubuntu_user, doubt it the problem seems to be with win7 get the rescue cd and see if it can fix
[16:14] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, whats the problem you are having?
[16:14] <Eduard> guys, does anybody know, if broken dependency  problem with nvidia-96 was fixed in 11.04?
[16:14] <escott> LAcan, iwconfig won't do it for you
[16:15] <operatorplik> ukuykluilk
[16:15] <LAcan> escott, just "iwconfig"?
[16:15] <escott> iwconfig wlan0 mode Auto
[16:16] <LAcan> escott, ty ty
[16:16] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  tried it i completely restored window too with dell recovery cd but nothing same screen again, but when i repaired ubuntu with live CD everything was solved
[16:16] <Ubuntu_user> LAcan: check it http://pastebin.com/BGPe1yUw
[16:16] <TerryBook> necrotik:  you've checked volume and mute settings on both TV and computer?
[16:16] <necrotik> Yes.
[16:16] <emilkje> does anyone know if a dist-upgrade will ruin LAMP + RVM + Passenger?
[16:17] <necrotik> TerryBook I get sound from the cable box, i used alsamixer to unmute everything
[16:17] <Holek> ActionParsnip: LAcan: okay, but ccsm doesn't give me themes, and desktop preferences give me just preloaded themes with no configuration options
[16:17] <Monotoko> ....I need some disks >.< this always happens on release day
[16:17] <TerryBook> ok.  what sort of hdmi cable are you using?
[16:18] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, Holek u have a nvidia?
[16:18] <necrotik> TerryBook, the cabley kind?
[16:18] <Ubuntu_user> LAcan:  ATI
[16:18] <LAcan> Holek, that is normal behaviour. if you want more theme configuration you have to install tweak ubuntu or ccsm for compiz
[16:18] <Holek> LAcan: nope, integrated Intel
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> Holek: not sure about "themes" it usually uses the GTK theme you set
[16:18] <TerryBook> hdmi on both ends?  one cable all the way through, or is there a connector in the middle?
[16:18] <necrotik> One cable.
[16:19] <Roasted_> So I just installed Unity 2D on my netbook, but I want to make the icons of the dock smaller. So I went into compiz to go to the plugin to make them smaller and this plugin is disabled. How can I make the icons smaller on unity 2d?>
[16:19] <LAcan> Holek, however u should be able to turn on effects thru that method i described
[16:19] <Ubuntu_user> LAcan: does that matter
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> Roasted_: press ALT+F2   and run:  r      may help
[16:19] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, is ubuntu using the nvida drivers?
[16:19] <TerryBook> which hdmi port on the tv are you using?  some tvs don't have sound support on all hdmi connections.  don't ask me why, it gave me trouble when I used to install DirecTV for people
[16:19] <Roasted_> ActionParsnip, just... r?
[16:19] <escott> Roasted, omgubuntu had something on that recently try googling their site
[16:20] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, sorry u are having the booting issue correct? the pastebin from earlier?
[16:20] <TerryBook> also, that said, are you using nvidia-current?
[16:20] <Holek> LAcan: I just want to customize my window decorator, everything else I am setting already in ccsm, I cannot change window decorator theme via ccsm
[16:20] <necrotik> •TerryBook• I unplugged the port the cable tv was using, so it should have sound, the cable did.
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> Roasted_: yeah, should reset things (works in debian), or just restart X server
[16:20] <freaky[t]> does anyone else have an ATI Raden HD 5850?
[16:20] <Ubuntu_user> LAcan:  no when i install ubuntu newly it just says download and install ati drivers
[16:20] <Roasted_> ActionParsnip, what am I resetting? I'm on unity 2d now... I just want to change the icon size smaller than default.
[16:20] <LAcan> Holek, in ubuntu natively thru the theme option in right clicking should allow you a) pick a theme and b) pick the level of desktop effects. this does in fact work correct?
[16:20] <escott> LAcan, Ubuntu_user was having problems booting windows not ubuntu if I understand him correctly
[16:21] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, ok, so we need to fix your boot settings?
[16:21] <maximus_> Hey. I'm about to install Natty, i have 2 hdd's, will I get any performance boost if i put everything on hda except /usr and swap (which i will put on hdb)?
[16:21] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  yep true,
[16:21] <TerryBook> necrotik:  the only other thing I can suggest at this point is driver-related.  are you using nvidia-current, and have you checked the NVidia settings?
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> Roasted_: the X server, may help
[16:21] <Holek> LAcan: yes, it does, but my point is, I don't want to "choose", I want to do my own
[16:22] <LAcan> maximus_, its  good idea to put the swap on a physically seperate volume
[16:22] <escott> maximus_, your fastest setup is raid0 stripped
[16:22] <necrotik> •TerryBook• I don't know how to check the nvidia settings, but I'm using the restricted driver the driver tool wanted to activate.
[16:22] <Bluebill-Wolf> ello
[16:22] <LAcan> Holek, ok, thats above my paygrade, your gonna need a them builder or whatver.... have you tried tweak ubuntu? it has many visual tweaks available
[16:22] <maximus_> escott - hard drives are different sizes...)=
[16:23] <Holek> LAcan: is it in the repo?
[16:23] <pingus_> :)
[16:23] <nealmcb> at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades#AlternateUpgrade it says to   gksu "sh /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade"   but the natty cdrom doesn't have a cdromupgrade file.  What's up?
[16:23] <DexterLB> hello. I have been given a laptop with radeon x1200, and I have to get 3D accel working in the next 3 hours, or I won't get paid :D
[16:23] <zatan> Hi, why I cant update to Natty Narhwal throught update-manager-d ?
[16:23] <LAcan> Holek, tweak ubutu should be, or the PPA is easily findable thru google... but i think its in the native repos yes
[16:23] <TerryBook> necrotik:  assuming you're still in 10.04 or 10.10 and gnome, it's in the System/Administration menu, as 'NVidia X Server Settings'
[16:23] <DexterLB> I've tried so many things, and I've almost given up hope
[16:23] <escott> maximus_, you can still strip up to the common size and have the rest for swap or large files (not that I recommend stripping)
[16:23] <pingus_> Hiiiiiiii
[16:24] <necrotik> •TerryBook• That contains no sound settings AFAIK
[16:24] <akerr> !log 10
[16:24] <escott> DexterLB, and you have installed all the fglrx drivers
[16:24] <ts145nera> Is dangerous upgrade kubuntu maveric to natty?
[16:24] <somethinginteres> DexterLB: rundown of what you've tried?
[16:24] <DexterLB> fglrx doesn't seem to work with that chip, nothing in ubuntu's hardware driver suggestions and envy isn't available on maverick
[16:24] <neckoox> Hi ! I have a question : do DNS servers tell on which port to connect when we request a website ? Or is it ALWAYS port 80 and we have to set a redirection on an another port if the webserver is set elsewhere ?
[16:24] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, still here? can you mount your window drive in ubuntu?
[16:24] <escott> neckoox, dns only tells where the server is nothing about ports
[16:25] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  sorry for disconnection
[16:25] <LAcan> neckoox, dns does not include port information
[16:25] <neckoox> escott: thx
[16:25] <maximus_> ~escott - where can I read up about that..dont want to bother anyone with asking how to do that..
[16:25] <DexterLB> neckoox, escott: I tried installing all the fglrx packages, it says no supported hardware
[16:25] <TerryBook> necrotik:  someone else might be able to better help you, then
[16:25] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, u can mount your windows drive in ubuntu?
[16:25] <escott> maximus_, mdadm documentation
[16:25] <neckoox> LAcan: ok x
[16:25] <Pici> DexterLB: fglrx does not support that chipset. The open source drivers should work fine. (they do on my x1400)
[16:25] <necrotik> •TerryBook• k thanks!
[16:25] <Roasted_> Is there any hope in sight for dual screen systems with unity being able to choose which screen the dock is on?
[16:25] <escott> DexterLB, is the x1200 super old?
[16:25] <DexterLB> escott: yup
[16:26] <econdudeawesome> Well, I removed my GUI, but now my color scheme is the purplish-grey of bootup for Ubuntu. How do I modify my color to something more acceptable?
[16:26] <DexterLB> Pici: does it have 3D?
[16:26] <escott> maximus_, feel free to pm if you have mdadm questions
[16:26] <somethinginteres> Roasted_: wouldn't it display on the display set as primary?
[16:26] <Pici> DexterLB: Yes.  I wouldn't expect to be able to play games on it, but compiz works fine.
[16:26] <Roasted_> somethinginteres, the beta did not.
[16:26] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  so how to fix boot records
[16:26] <Roasted_> somethinginteres, it just forced the dock to the far far left, no matter how you stacked your monitors.
[16:26] <DexterLB> Pici: hmm, compiz here says No GL
[16:26] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, by answering the questions :) Can you mount your windows drive in ubuntu? can you see your windows files?
[16:27] <somethinginteres> Roasted_: perhaps you should lodge a bug report.. seems like that'd affect many people
[16:27] <Roasted_> somethinginteres, so for me it was a PITA, because my main monitor is on the right. So my unity dock defaulted to the left... but my left monitor is just for watching news, weather, IMs, email, etc. So I hate to have to swing way over to use that dock.
[16:27] <Roasted_> somethinginteres, well I heard it was a work in progress. But this was 2 weeks ago. I wasnt sure if anything had changed.
[16:27] <necrotik> w00t i got sound
[16:27] <maximus_> escott thanks, will give it a look at. btw, never used IRC, how do i reply just to you? what am i supposed to put infront of the name?
[16:27] <econdudeawesome> Does anyone know how to change the initial color scheme for the command line?
[16:27] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan: yes
[16:28] <somethinginteres> Roasted_: there's a new version of unity out that hasn't landed, that changes a number of things e.g. "Home Folder" to "File Manager". Maybe it is fixed in there
[16:28] <Pici> DexterLB: Can you check your xorg log to see what driver you are using?
[16:28] <Roasted_> somethinginteres, will that be part of regular system updates, you think?
[16:28] <Pici> Roasted_: You really should log a bug.
[16:28] <Roasted_> Pici, one exists I believe.
[16:28] <escott> maximus_, /msg
[16:28] <somethinginteres> Roasted_: I had hoped it would be out by now, I am sure it will come in regular updates at -some- time. Not sure when
[16:28] <necrotik> Ok if I type aplay -D plughw:1,9 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav I hear sound in my tv. Anyone know what the next step is?
[16:28] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, ok, thats good :) so when you boot, u get the grub boot menu yes? the one which allows you to choose ubuntu?
[16:29] <juzzy_> hi
[16:29] <juzzy_> i have upgraded to 11.04
[16:29] <Bluebill-Wolf> btw does anyone know if nortan antivirus is capatiable with Ubuntu?
[16:29] <juzzy_> how may i turn on "unity" now?
[16:29] <Roasted_> Bluebill-Wolf, no, it's not. Thank GOD.
[16:29] <PhoenixSTF> natty looks like Macintosh
[16:29] <LAcan> Bluebill-Wolf, hello no
[16:29] <escott> econdudeawesome, do you mean the colors of the prompt  ($PS1 in .bashrc) or the background colors (right click on terminal and manage the profiles)
[16:29] <maximus_> escott_, awesome, thanks (=
[16:29] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, no, it doesn't.
[16:29] <PhoenixSTF> Roasted, yes it does
[16:29] <PhoenixSTF> LOL
[16:29] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, I have been on Ubuntu since 2005. Ever since day one people have found a way to say it looks like Mac.
[16:29] <Bluebill-Wolf> myh . . . wait a min what do you mean "thank god?"
[16:29] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  Yes i get it till the time i dont start windows, the moment i did,  on next restart i face this problem
[16:30] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, while the global menu is similar to mac, it's not the exact same. that is the *only* similarity. In other words - no, it does not.
[16:30] <Roasted_> Bluebill-Wolf, because norton sucks. horribly.
[16:30] <econdudeawesome> escott: I know longer use terminal--the CLI for the OS
[16:30] <nick87720z> failed to upgrade to 10.10 :( i found topic, where it is discussed. Imho, it would be nice to allow to resolve problems , e.g., via synaptic (it it allowes).
[16:30] <PhoenixSTF> Roasted, it looks more like mac than actualy look like maveric
[16:30] <somethinginteres> Roasted_: the latest version that's landed in user updates is 3.8.10 but 3.8.12 is up on Launchpad. Hopefully it'll be available soon
[16:30] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, wait im confused... on that menu there was an option for ubuntu and for windos7 yes?
[16:30] <Bluebill-Wolf> what would you reccemend in its place?
[16:30] <PhoenixSTF> Roasted, I cant even find the system options like before
[16:30] <escott> econdudeawesome, then you need to edit your .bashrc
[16:30] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, well, no kidding... because maverick is a different version of ubuntu.
[16:31] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, well, yeah. it's a totally different interface.
[16:31] <theholder> any reason i can't update to ubuntu 11.04
[16:31] <John_Gate> I just installed natty narhwal on an "old" IBM laptop with 1,86GHz and ATI graphics. In the "Additional Drivers" application it it sais that no proprietary drivers are in use. Are there proprietary drivers that are better than the default ones, and if so, how do I get them?
[16:31] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  yes first three were related to ubuntu and fourth was for windows 7
[16:31] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, with gnome moving towards gnome shell, we would have had to make the change at some point regardless. ubuntu just went with unity instead, which is very similar to gnome shell anyway.
[16:31] <coz_> theholder,  are you on 10.10 right now?
[16:31] <electronicboy_> i think that ubuntu 10.10's installer is faster that 11.04's :D
[16:32] <tie-joe> Hello
[16:32] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, ok. but once you selected windows, the NEXT TIME you booted, the ubuntu boot menu was gone, and instead you got "no OS found"?
[16:32] <coz_> electronicboy_,  unless you use the minimal install cd
[16:32] <PhoenixSTF> Roasted, totaly, is quite simple, very simple, i got to give credit to the dev team, but its way more complicated to get the system stuff that we need
[16:32] <somethinginteres> John_Gate: Usually natty should tell you about extra drivers. Try running "additional drivers" yourself
[16:32] <Sidewinder1> Hi tie
[16:32] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  EXACTLY, you got the point
[16:32] <cdavis> how do I add remmina to the panel on 11.04? Or how do you add anything to the panel
[16:32] <H4VK1> how can I su into a user and be able to launch graphical applications?
[16:32] <escott> LAcan, Ubuntu_user_'s problem seems to be internal to Win7. grub is chainloading and win7 boot process is busted (happens from time to time when you resize ntfs)
[16:32] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, hrmm ok thats weird.
[16:32] <PhoenixSTF> Roasted, at least the menu stuff, otherwise terminal will be just fine
[16:32] <electronicboy_> minimal install cd?? isnt that the alternate cd?
[16:32] <somethinginteres> John_Gate: use the dash to search for "additional drivers" and run that and see how it goes
[16:32] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  really it is
[16:32] <econdudeawesome> escott: How would you change the background color then?
[16:32] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, the important thing is to be open minded. I HATED unity and gnome shell. I used gnome shell at the end of last summer and I hated it. But you know... I used it more. I got to know it. And now that unity is here I'm using it more too.
[16:32] <coz_> John_Gate,   run  jockeyt-gtk
[16:32] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, ok so how did you boot into ubuntu THIS time?
[16:32] <[diablo]> afternoon all... does anyone please know how in 11.04 (Ubuntu Classic), I can get the widget scroll bars not to do that annoying hiding, it's been driving me crazy
[16:33] <Bluebill-Wolf> as far as an antivirus what would you guys reccomend?
[16:33] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  i am on windows
[16:33] <escott> Ubuntu_user_, oooh thats different you mean you can boot Win7 but then you have no bootloader afterwards?
[16:33] <John_Gate> somethinginteres: I start "Additional Drivers" but no drivers are displayed in the list..
[16:33] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, Ok.. how did you manage to boot windows if "no OS found"?
[16:33] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, it'll take time. there will be headaches, frustrations, etc. But this is a unique opportunity for linux as a whole to provide a new interface that people can interact with differently than windows and mac could ever hope to. love unity or hate it, love gnome shell or hate it, both offer great features i fyou give it the time to adjust.
[16:33] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, that's my opinion, at least.
[16:33] <coz_> [diablo],  oh you mean that scroll bar overlay thingie|
[16:33] <TerryBook> necrotik:  I just found this via google, it may help:  http://theironlion.net/blog/2010/09/20/ubuntu-lucid-nvidia-and-hdmi-sound/
[16:33] <aleksey> привет народ
[16:33] <[diablo]> hi coz_ yep thats the one
[16:33] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  yes
[16:33] <escott> econdudeawesome, google for bash color prompt
[16:33] <tie-joe> I need help.. my  sound wont work.
[16:34] <arand> !ru | aleksey
[16:34] <somethinginteres> [diablo]: try uninstalling the package "overlay-scrollbars"
[16:34] <ruan> quick question about natty, when will it ask me between classic gnome and unity?
[16:34] <ruan> while upgrading
[16:34] <PhoenixSTF> Roasted, I never used gnomeshell so its quite a shock for me, but yes i will adapt, anything is better then windows IMO, it was just a bit of a shock, gonna take me some time to adjust
[16:34] <somethinginteres> [diablo]: sorry "overlay-scrollbar"
[16:34] <escott> Ubuntu_user_, you have two disks yes? windows on sda and ubuntu on sdb. did you know where grub was installed? sda or sdb?
[16:34] <coz_> [diablo],   are you on the unity desktop or classic,,,?? you said classic ...yes?
[16:34] <Sidewinder1> Bluebill-Wolf, You might take a look at ClamAV
[16:34] <arand> ruan: No, you need to chose it at login
[16:34] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, like I said, I hated unity and gnome shell for weeks. many weeks.
[16:34] <ruan> arand: thanks
[16:34] <ruan> was wondering
[16:34] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, but now that I'm getting used to it, I'm turning into a little bit of a fanboy :P
[16:34] <[diablo]> somethinginteres coz_ im in classic... not a fan of Unity at all
[16:34] <meisth0th> ruan, but gnome won't be an option later
[16:35] <coz_> [diablo],  are you also running  compiz?
[16:35] <ruan> meisth0th: i'll be using gnome3 if they force unity
[16:35] <Sidewinder1> Bluebill-Wolf, I believe that it's in the repositories.
[16:35] <[diablo]> coz_, yep
[16:35] <nealmcb> Re: my /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade question - this only works for the alternate install cdrom....
[16:35] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  After problem i put Live CD in and reinstalled ubuntu, that repaired bootloader, then booted to windows deleted the drives of ubuntu and used mbr repair utility to clear all ubuntu records
[16:35] <ruan> meisth0th: if g3 doesnt work, then kde
[16:35] <escott> econdudeawesome, unless you want a non-black framebuffer background... and I have no idea how that is done
[16:35] <PhoenixSTF> Roasted, xD will I hatting it for now, in the future ok i might like, but i miss the menus! god how i miss the menus!!!!!!
[16:35] <H4VK1> how can I su into a user and enable graphical applications? (like shh'ing with the -x command)
[16:35] <meisth0th> ruan, i don't think any of desktop environments isn't on the way to good :)
[16:35] <coz_> [diablo],  ok open ccsm,, I believe we have a plugin at the bottom of th e list for that    although I havent tested it ,, sam put one in there  ,, give a try by either disabling it or clicking on it to see available options,, I cant get into it right now
[16:36] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, ok download a freeware app called "EasyBCD" for windows
[16:36] <tie-joe> I need help   i have no sound!
[16:36] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  yes i have two drives on same HDD, but dont know where grub went
[16:36] <bigbrovar> I have been unable to install kubuntu natty on my hp probook 4420 laptop, livecd always hangs while loading :/
[16:36] <[diablo]> coz_, ok sweet... thanks yeah
[16:36] <escott> Ubuntu_user_, you mean you have 1 drive and two partitions
[16:36] <somethinginteres> John_Gate: it would appear you're out of luck, try joining the channel #ati to ask for help
[16:36] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan: used the same one
[16:36] <cdavis> How do you add somethign to the panel in natty?
[16:36] <ruan> bigbrovar: and classic install(alternate)
[16:36] <ruan> bigbrovar: ?
[16:36] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  yes
[16:36] <Holek> ActionParsnip: okay, now that I disabled metacity, it looks better
[16:36] <ruan> !alternate
[16:36] <coz_> [diablo],  let me know if you can adjust it from there
[16:36] <John_Gate> somethinginteres: that for that channel, I will join it!
[16:36] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, ok, then make sure your windows menu looks legit then add an entry for your ubunut partition...
[16:36] <root_> hey
[16:37] <bigbrovar> ruan: I haven't tried but I doubt that would work, it seems to be a kernel issue
[16:37] <[diablo]> coz_, yeah just checking now
[16:37] <escott> H4VK1, unclear what you mean. gksudo doesn't work?
[16:37] <Sidewinder1> !sound > tie-joe
[16:37] <bigbrovar> ruan: during any *buntu install the system hangs even before the bootsplash is done loading
[16:37] <Holek> ActionParsnip: but still doesn't give me any way to customize it
[16:37] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  so you want to say i should boot windows after installing ubuntu then go to widows boot.ini and add a ubuntu record there
[16:38] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, no, win7 doesnt use boot.ini
[16:38] <NOC> need help .. may i ask?
[16:38] <birdybee> so, just upgraded to natty on my laptop, and i can't seem to activate nvidia drivers for acceleration anymore...
[16:38] <escott> !help | NOC
[16:38] <[Soma]> Anyone got any idea how I can add a "view workspace" button to my app launcher in unity? And also, how do I customise the size of the top-bar (with my username, the time, etc in it)
[16:38] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, i want you to boot windows and using EasyBCD add an entry for "linux" in its options
[16:38] <nitroxidus> Hi.I have 11.04 beta 2 installed how do i upgrade to 11.04 rc
[16:38] <[diablo]> mmmm coz_ cant seem to find it
[16:38] <Logan_> !final | nitroxidus
[16:38] <[diablo]> coz_, in ccsm
[16:38] <coz_> [Soma],   the worspace switcher  should do that
[16:38] <The-Kernel_> I ran out of space in "/" is there a safe way to alocate some space from /home to "/"?
[16:38] <echo2> how do i get unity working in vmware
[16:39] <nitroxidus> ok
[16:39] <coz_> [diablo],  ah darn,,  let me check ,, hold on
[16:39] <NOC> i need to enable email sending from my fresh ubuntu sending from apache php webpage .. what should i do?
[16:39] <Logan_> !vmware | echo2
[16:39] <ruan> The-Kernel_: gparted from a livecd
[16:39] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan: okay i would do that, but tell me one thing will it also make that location primary to check first for OS's
[16:39] <[Soma]> okay, coz_ , then what about the top nav bar? I'd love to have that at the bottom, and a lot bigger than it is. I'm on 1920x1080 and it's *tiny*
[16:39] <PhoenixSTF> ok guys i need some help, How do i put the System Resources um on the bar?
[16:39] <NOC> should i install mailserver?
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> nitroxidus: just run your upgrades and you will get it
[16:39] <escott> The-Kernel_, ehhhh not really. if they are adjacent you could boot the live cd and shrink/move/grow partitions as needed
[16:39] <Bluebill-Wolf> hmm is ClamAV freeware ?
[16:39] <The-Kernel_> ruan, that won't destroy my data?
[16:39] <ruan> Bluebill-Wolf: yes
[16:40] <coz_> [diablo],  sorry ,, I am on 10.10 right now and my ccsm   /  libc  is bad in  11.04  so I cant access  ccsm from there
[16:40] <GuataPeluda> hello
[16:40] <ruan> !info clamav
[16:40] <Wickk> I upgraded to 11.04 this morning and since when running under unity/gnome2 none of my windows get their window decorations drawn
[16:40] <ActionParsnip> The-Kernel_: remove unnecessary kernels to save lots of space
[16:40] <Bluebill-Wolf> much obliged
[16:40] <escott> The-Kernel_, but its really time-consuming
[16:40] <coz_> [diablo],   check in synaptic to see if the compiz-plugins extra are installed
[16:40] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, windows really likes to be primary, so your best bet is yo use windows boot menu and ad an entry that points to your ubuntu partition... then when u boot u can pick either OS or switch between grub and winload.exe
[16:40] <ActionParsnip> Wickk: what video chip?
[16:40] <[diablo]> coz_, np ... at least I know where to be looking... many thanks yeah
[16:40] <Wickk> ActionParsnip, ATI HD Radeon 4650
[16:41] <echo2> how do i get unity working in vmware
[16:41] <coz_> [diablo],  as i recal from 2 days ago... there was a plugin for it  but  again I will have to reinstall to find out :(
[16:41] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, basically you want to make an entry for windows in grub (u already have it seems) and make an entry for ubuntu in windows...
[16:41] <Holek> ActionParsnip: that's the level of configuration I'm looking for: http://imgur.com/O4HGK
[16:41] <escott> NOC, install smtp-server
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> Wickk: did you try removing the proprietary driver then reinstalling it after a reboot?
[16:41] <Wickk> ActionParsnip, I have not I'll do that now
[16:41] <Sidewinder1> Bluebill-Wolf, Clamav is in the repositories.
[16:41] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, make sure you are not deleting any entries to either, you are just adding them
[16:41] <Bluebill-Wolf> as in Klam av?
[16:41] <GuataPeluda> hi, I use 10.10 x86 and recently noticed my laptop supports 64bits... is there any way to upgrade to 11.04 64bits from 10.10 x86 with no loss at all?
[16:41]  * LAcan is going for coffee and cigarettes, back in 5.
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> Holek: then install emerald and run:   emerald --replace
[16:42] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan: okay  i am gonna try it with 110.04 today, will you be on irc tommarow
[16:42] <Bluebill-Wolf> its what poped up when in the ubuntu soft center
[16:42] <escott> GuataPeluda, no, do a reinstall
[16:42] <Ubuntu_user_> **11.04
[16:42] <echo2> how do i get unity working in vmware
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> Holek: I don't theme much, it really doesn't interest me so you are asking the wrong guy
[16:42] <coz_> echo2,  I dont think you will
[16:42] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, its not a ubunut rpoblem man, its a winload.exe problem. reinstaling ubuntu wont do jack
[16:42] <GuataPeluda> escott thanks
[16:42] <Sidewinder1> Bluebill-Wolf, No, clamav
[16:42] <Holek> ActionParsnip: and that brings me to my first sentence: emerald gives me segfault
[16:42] <Fopp> Hi guys, Im trying to update to 11.04, but when I click upgrade in update manager, I get told "Could not download release notes Please check your internet connection." An suggestions, guys? thanks!
[16:42] <echo2> coz, it's not optional
[16:42] <echo2> vmware supports 3d
[16:42] <echo2> aero, etc works
[16:42] <Logan_> echo2: It is not in the Ubuntu repository, and thus we cannot support it here.
[16:42] <escott> Ubuntu_user_, give the windows rescue cd a try
[16:42] <echo2> what.
[16:42] <nitroxidus> how do i check if im not on ubun tu 11.04 beta 2 i did sudo update and upgrade
[16:42] <echo2> its ubuntu itself
[16:42] <Logan_> echo2: Join #vmware for help.
[16:42] <braadli> hi all - having upgrade issues; I downloaded the alternative iso, hoping to avoid load on upgrade servers (the iso can be got over bittorrent), but when installing it, it still decides to obtain all packages from remote servers and not the mounted ISO or bootable USB made from the ISO. Why?
[16:43] <ruan> !version
[16:43] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  this time dont have any Ubuntu installed
[16:43] <echo2> its your guys fuckin issue
[16:43] <echo2> its not vmwares fault
[16:43] <Logan_> !language | echo2
[16:43] <echo2> 3d is supported, etc
[16:43] <Bluebill-Wolf> Sidewinder1 mind if i pm you i keep loseing track of what your saying
[16:43] <echo2> i can go do the opengl demos etc
[16:43] <echo2> how do i force unity to start
[16:43] <Logan_> !pm | Bluebill-Wolf
[16:43] <ruan> nitroxidus: lsb_release  -a
[16:43] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  yes had tried it and no boot menu had appeared.
[16:43] <ToeKutter> I cant get the Unity2D panel working in Vmware for anything... blah
[16:43] <Roasted_> Is there a way to adjust Ubuntu so it doesnt require a PW when resuming from suspend mode?
[16:43] <escott> echo2, please watch the language
[16:43] <ActionParsnip> Holek: try renaming the folder holding the emerald config
[16:43] <Sidewinder1> Bluebill-Wolf,  Go rught ahead. :-)
[16:43] <Sidewinder1> right
[16:43] <escott> echo2, make sure you have installed any available guest additions
[16:44] <echo2> i did
[16:44] <mang0> Guys, my ubuntu 10.10 livecd won't install...it won't mount my drives, and it won't connect the internet with my broadcom wifi card (i know the model)....it's very annoying as I  really wanna dump windows LOL. Someone suggested that I try 10.04, but I don't want to burn a new cd. I thought I could use daemon tools to run the .iso, would that work?
[16:44]  * Bluebill-Wolf nods "i'm just trying to make certin i am understanding what is being told to me is clear then i can conferm as well"
[16:44] <spvensko> did they do away with netbook edition for 11.04?
[16:44] <Ubuntu_user_> okay i will create a video of the same problem  and upload it to youtube on my channel. please have a look of it
[16:44] <tashkas> i have problem whit iptv on eth0 its working on eth1 it dont
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> mang0: you don't mount drives, you mount partitions
[16:44] <H4VK1> escott: I didn't know about gksu, it doesn't work though.. I am using it right aren't I? "gksu -u <user> nautilus" -- that just makes a password box pop up then nothing happens
[16:45] <cdavis> How do you add something to the panel in natty?
[16:45] <mang0> okay, well It won't mount my partitions
[16:45] <ActionParsnip> mang0: did you test the CD for defects wen it started to boot?
[16:45] <somethinginteres> mang0: what do you mean by "won't install"?
[16:45] <escott> mang0, broadcom often takes some post install config best to work from ethernet, can you describe your mounting problem better
[16:45] <mang0> okay
[16:45] <mang0> let me write this better in pasteall.org
[16:45] <Fopp> Hi guys, Im trying to update to 11.04, but when I click upgrade in update manager, I get told "Could not download release notes Please check your internet connection." An suggestions, guys? thanks!
[16:45] <ScottONanski> How do I make IRC rooms show up in the Empathy user list?
[16:45] <tashkas> can somebody help me whit iptables farwarding?
[16:45] <escott> H4VK1, what are you trying to accomplish?
[16:45] <Holek> ActionParsnip: $ emerald --replace
[16:45] <Holek> Segmentation fault
[16:45] <Omega> cdavis: open the application and right click on the icon, select "Keep in Launcher"
[16:45] <ActionParsnip> cdavis: do you mean the unity panel on the left or the top panel?
[16:45] <Holek> ActionParsnip: so, no effectr
[16:46] <flipp> Fopp maybe the ubuntu servers are overloaded or you could just check your internet connecntion
[16:46] <cdavis> ActionParsnip: the top panel
[16:46] <Logan_> spvensko: Yes.
[16:46] <ActionParsnip> Holek: try the emerald irc channel (if they have one), or ask in #compiz
[16:46] <ScottONanski> How do I make Irc channels show up in the Empathy user list?
[16:46] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  LAcan  intrestingly if i install ubuntu using option "Install inside windows" i am able to use both as fine as two windows
[16:46] <Fopp> flipp: well, the internet is fine, hence im here. Its probably the former, since its release day and all. thanks.
[16:46] <Fredje> Hi
[16:46] <ruan> Fopp: as flipp said, connection or server. you can switch your upgrade server though
[16:46] <cdavis> ActionParsnip: I want to add Remminal to the top panel
[16:46] <spvensko> ah, okay, ty Logan_
[16:46] <cdavis> ActionParsnip: s/Remminal/Remmina/
[16:46] <Logan_> spvensko: You're welcome.  11.04 should work just fine on netbooks.
[16:47] <escott> Ubuntu_user_, huh? do you mean wubi. are you trying to install from within a virtual machine?
[16:47] <ActionParsnip> cdavis: not sure, as far asa I've seen its not very changable, if you boot to the normal desktop and start unity then you may be able to add stuff
[16:47] <sturd> trying to install ia32-libs from a ppa (the ubuntu servers are SWAMPED!!), to get utorrent server running, so I can join the mass-share of the Ubuntu iso files.  Transmission just doesn't give a good upload rate in comparison.
[16:47] <NOC> i need to enable email sending from my fresh ubuntu sending from apache php webpage .. what should i do?
[16:47] <ScottONanski> How do I make Irc channels show up in Empathy's user list?
[16:47] <birdybee> apparently, jockey(?) says the drivers are installed, but not activated. but my x log says direct rendering is yes. and nvidia settings says everything is a-ok. glxgears is running, but i can't get unity to load, i just get shunted back to classic 2d
[16:47] <H4VK1> escott: just open nautilus as another user -- I've created a different user as a sandbox so I can hopefully not muck up anything other than a single folder.
[16:47] <Fredje> Has anybody some experience with ltsp?
[16:47] <escott> H4VK1, gksudo will run as root, gksu -u username will ask for that users username
[16:47] <xgt001> hey every1
[16:48] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  in the end i had given it a try
[16:48] <bilal> congratssss to all natty has been released
[16:48] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  but all those errors arrived when i install as full using live cd
[16:48] <escott> H4VK1, if you have a shell for the other user you may need to fiddle with xauth to make stuff work, but gksu* will take care of that for you
[16:48] <tashkas> anybody can help me whit iptables??
[16:48] <xgt001> can anybody tell me how to restore aptoncd iso image without burning cd/dvd using a pendrive???
[16:48] <stevie-bash> I do add IP addresses via "ip a add" command from a script. Since this isn't reboot safe I wanted to add the "ip a add" command to rc.local. Is this a good way?
[16:48] <flipp> has anybody seen my usb key? hmpf i think i lost it ... hmm i wanted to install ubuntu via usb but i cant find my usb key .... -.-
[16:48] <GuataPeluda> tonite I'll upgrade to natty =)
[16:48] <Eduard> guys, does anybody know, if broken dependency  problem with nvidia-96 was fixed in 11.04?
[16:49] <xgt001> can anybody tell me how to restore aptoncd iso image without burning cd/dvd using a pendrive???
[16:49] <other_max> hey guys, can anyone tell me how to install ubuntu on a non-ubuntu linux netbook (no CD) with arch linux on it?
[16:49] <cdavis> ActionParsnip: Thanks, I really liked having all of my rdesktop servers in one list. I will look for something else.
[16:49] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  i think what LAcan  has suggested is gonna work. But will you guys be here tommarow
[16:49] <other_max> or even how do i make an image for USB to boot a linux machine, can't find that on the site
[16:49] <cdavis> other_max: do a USB stick install
[16:50] <other_max> cdavis: i tried, but i can't find a way to put the image on a USB if i don't already have ubuntu
[16:50] <thien> can anyone help me to merge a partition to /home partition
[16:50] <xgt001> other_max: use universal usb installer from pendrivelinux.com
[16:50] <The-Kernel_> I don't think I need 22 kernels
[16:50] <birdybee> hm, correction, additional drivers says the nvidia drivers are activated, but not in use... what does that mean?
[16:50] <birdybee> and how to "use" them?
[16:51]  * LAcan is back.
[16:51] <mick_laptop> anyone know of a mirror for 11.04 server for i386?
[16:51] <mick_laptop> seems like it is down for all mirrors :(
[16:51] <mick_laptop> http://ftp.utexas.edu/ubuntu-iso/CDs//natty/ubuntu-11.04-server-i386.iso
[16:51] <alex__> olek201
[16:51] <mick_laptop> example ^^^
[16:51] <cdavis> other_max: there is program that will help, but I can't think of it. Give me a second...
[16:51] <xgt001> can anybody tell me how to restore aptoncd iso image without burning cd/dvd using a pendrive???
[16:52] <burg> hello. i have ubuntu 11.04 64bit, and network manager (the one from upper bar) sais: wired network: device not managed. how can i make it to manage wired network?
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> The-Kernel_: no, I suggest you remove the oldest ones, you only really need 2, each kernel is about 120Mb
[16:52] <cdavis> other_max: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[16:53] <marel> how do I gain root privilegies so I don't have to type sudo all the time ?
[16:53] <DirtyDawg> does anyone have any ideas as to why 11.04 install is so dim i cant see what it says lol?
[16:53] <ScottR3> marel: su
[16:53] <escott> marel, sudo -
[16:53] <other_max> cdavis: ah yea, tried tht with the last ubuntu version, didn't work (just wouldn't do anything when i started it) but thx i'll try again with 11.04
[16:53] <braadli> hi everyone - has anyone managed to upgrade relying solely on the alternative cd, rather than from the remote upgrade server?
[16:53] <braadli> i'm trying to do so in order to avoid adding load to that server, which is crawling already
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> burg: did you specify the network parameters for the wired link in /etc/network/interfaces by any chance?
[16:53] <other_max> how is 11.04 so far?
[16:53] <usr13> burg: Well, not sure about that one, but you could switch to wicd.
[16:53] <escott> marel, sudo -i sorry
[16:53] <somethinginteres> burg: Right click on network manager click "edit connections"
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> marel: sudo -i
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> other_max: been fine here since alpha 2
[16:54] <andeeeuk> is anyone having problems with their wireless connection at the moment?
[16:54] <arand> DirtyDawg: I would guess at acpi issues, try booting with acpi=off
[16:54] <agrab> Are there 3 drivers available for ati/amd-cards? the default "radeon" driver, fglrx and the catalyst driver?
[16:54] <w30> marel, try sudo -i
[16:54] <somethinginteres> burg: should be able to set it up from there
[16:54] <ScottR3> other_max: unless I can customize some of the options I can't find menus for, I'm going back to gnome2. Biggest complaint
[16:54] <thauriswulfa> can i install ubuntu 11.04 on sys. with 512 ram
[16:54] <DirtyDawg> hmm ok
[16:54] <philsf> I don't have a pidgin indicator in the messaging menu anymore. How can I re-enable it? I've been using natty since beta
[16:54] <cdavis> other_max: I think there might have been a bug I remember. When prompted, don't just hit enter, go into the menu and choose the default. That seems like how I  got around it
[16:54] <birdybee> 11.04 so far has been less than stellar ... :(
[16:54] <escott> ScottR3, su won't work for most people as out of the box there is no root password
[16:54] <andeeeuk> seems as though its on and on
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> agrab: radeon, radeonhd, ati and frglrx
[16:54] <ScottR3> escott: you're right, sorry. forget these things sometimes ;)
[16:54] <other_max> i'm all for a new desktop. kde stinks, gnome not much better. windows and mac desktops barely better. time for change.
[16:54] <vibhav> hi everybody again!
[16:55] <ActionParsnip> other_max: try LXDE :)
[16:55] <vibhav> UNITY ROCKS!
[16:55] <agrab> ActionParsnip, Ah, thanks. which is the better of the proprietary ones?
[16:55] <marel> how do I remove a dir with all contents in it ?
[16:55] <ActionParsnip> agrab: depends on needs
[16:55] <other_max> actionparnsip: i use awesome wm on my arch netbook right now
[16:55] <ruan> other_max: tried gnome3?
[16:55] <other_max> ruan: not yet
[16:55] <escott> ScottR3, np
[16:55] <usr13> burg: You can use iwconfig to manually acquire a network connection and if you want to switch to wicd:  sudo apt-get install wicd ; sudo apt-get remove network-manager
[16:55] <ruan> im going to try it really soon
[16:55] <escott> marel, rm -rf foldernmae
[16:55] <shane4ubuntu> marel: command line?
[16:55] <marel> shane4ubuntu, yeah
[16:55] <ActionParsnip> agrab: for most things the open source driver is fine, if you need full 3D goodness (an your chip is supported by it) then the frglrx driver will be needed
[16:56] <escott> marel, be very careful before doing something like that as root
 If you think it sucks that try to make your own shell, you will realize how difficult it is , so better respect the work done by devels
[16:56] <ScottR3> so I've got a few questions on how to, er, fix some of the customizations unity has taken liberty with
[16:56] <shane4ubuntu> marel: like escott said, rm -rf foldername  be carefull with that though
[16:56] <usr13> andeeeuk: What is your problem?
[16:56] <ScottR3> 1) how do I move the launcher? it's on the left side of my right-hand monitor...
[16:56] <TheXero> Anyone know of a good way to partition ubuntu for a 64GB SSD with a 640GB for storage?
[16:57] <graingert> heya
[16:57] <andeeeuk> usr13: well it seems a bit temporamental
[16:57] <andeeeuk> on and off
[16:57] <vibhav> at last installed 11.04 it rocks!
[16:57] <burg_> i have ubuntu 11.04, 64 bit, with gnome, and i can`t see the top menu(under the title bar) for no application anymore - why?
[16:57] <Sal9000> isn't 11.04 supposed to have unity? i installed it but it just loads gnome...
[16:57] <graingert> on my eeepc 1005PE the touchpad is disabled on the live install
[16:57] <Hedgehog456> Is the Natty upgrade service down?
[16:57] <escott> TheXero, if you mean you have an ssd and a hdd I would put / on the ssd to improve boot and put /home on the hdd
[16:57] <econdudeawesome> Does anyone know how to change the background on the OS CLI? I have read through a few bash how-tos and can't seem tog et it to work--they recommend editing ~/.bashrc, but that is user-specific. It appears I need to edit something more?
[16:57] <braadli> has anybody managed to update to natty without relying on the update server (i.e., on the alternative iso?)
[16:57] <usr13> andeeeuk: Does it just get dissabled or what?
[16:57] <bigbrovar> anyone able to install natty on an hp probook 4420s? all of the buntus I tired frooze while loading :/
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[16:58] <escott> econdudeawesome, there is a bash profile in /etc which would be a global option
[16:58] <TheXero> Yeah that's what I meant escott :)
[16:58] <somethinginteres> Hedgehog456: not sure, here in AU the package information doesn't seem to be updating
[16:58] <graingert> Sal9000: try unity-3d
[16:58] <andeeeuk> it does not disable at all
[16:58] <graingert> Sal9000: try unity-2d
[16:58] <TheXero> Logs etc are in /var/log correct?
[16:58] <andeeeuk> just seems very slow
[16:58] <mang0> Okay guys, my post is written: http://www.pasteall.org/21214/text
[16:58] <Sal9000> graingert: oh i might have forgotten to enable 3d in the virtualbox vm
[16:58] <escott> TheXero, yes
[16:58] <fizk_> is everyone getting a slow connection, or is it just me?
[16:58] <Hedgehog456> somethinginteres: Here in Britain my internet connection is fine but Natty won't upgrade
[16:58] <fizk_> upgrading to 11.04
[16:58] <philsf> I don't have a pidgin indicator in the messaging menu anymore (in natty). How can I re-enable it?
[16:59] <usr13> andeeeuk: what is the signal strength look like?  iwconfig | pastebinit
[16:59] <mang0> somethinginteres , escott , ActionParsnip: http://www.pasteall.org/21214/text
[16:59] <shane4ubuntu> fizk_: servers are overloaded, best off downloading the torrent, getting a disk and upgrading that way, alt-disk
[16:59] <ScottR3> fizk_: took me 2.5 hours just to download the packages :-/
[16:59] <cdavis> Is Virtualbox-ose not available for natty? I don't see the repo listed on virtualbox's site
[16:59] <TheXero> I was going to put /tmp on the hard drive, as I only have 6 GB of ram and I host a few vm's as well
[16:59] <burg_> how can i enable title bar menus in all aplications in ubuntu 11.04 ? because i can`t see it anymore. i have gnome
[16:59] <Sal9000> oh, there it is :)
[16:59] <Hedgehog456> Never knew Ubuntu was this popular :D
[16:59] <TheXero> What other partitions should I look at moving to the hard drive?
[16:59] <fizk_> ScottR3, dam
[16:59] <econdudeawesome> escott: is this bash profile in /etc the one that is used at startup?
[17:00] <usr13> andeeeuk: ... and send resulting URL for us to see.
[17:00] <marel> I'm trying to install software that came in a tarball and I've read on forums that first I have to ./configure, however it says no such a file or directory.. What am I doing wrong ?
[17:00] <escott> econdudeawesome, is the color prompt actually what you want? or are you trying to change background colors
[17:00] <econdudeawesome> escott: just the background color
[17:00] <usr13> marel: What exactly are you installing?
[17:00] <econdudeawesome> escott: it's purple, I want to change it to black
[17:00] <graingert> touchpad worked after a reboot
[17:01] <thauriswulfa> folks, plz tell me will natty work properly on pentium 4,3ghz ,512 mb ram system
[17:01] <marel> usr13, python IDE called pyCharm
[17:01] <escott> econdudeawesome, thats going to be something with the framebuffer not bash
[17:01] <fizk_> shane4ubuntu, my download is about 50% done. If I quit now, do I start from 0% later on?
[17:01] <econdudeawesome> escott: how do I change that?
[17:01] <escott> econdudeawesome, dunno google for linux framebuffer set color and see what you get
[17:01] <super8> erge
[17:01] <Pici> marel: Have you checked pycharm's support?
[17:02] <ScottR3> how do I remove the top menu bar from my second monitor?
[17:02] <shane4ubuntu> fizk_:  yep, so you decide, ride it out, or start a torrent for the disk, once you have the disk image, and burn it, you shouldn't have to download more stuff right way
[17:02] <usr13> marel: You can't install via the package manager?
[17:02] <escott> marel, a python program probably doesn't have a configure/make. just look for a .py to run
[17:02] <Sonorus> say me please, update 10.10 to 11.04 works correctly ????
[17:02] <Pici> usr13: Its a commercial application
[17:02] <usr13> Pici: O
[17:03] <braadli> anyone managed an offline upgrade to natty yet?
[17:03] <usr13> marel: You need to install build-essentials and kernel-headers
[17:03] <escott> mang0, its very strange that it can't find the disks. when you boot the livecd and run gparted does it not see your disks?
[17:03] <shane4ubuntu> Sonorus: really depends on the situation, how much extra applications you have installed, and where you installed them from.
[17:03] <mang0> escott no it doesn't
[17:03] <mang0> :/
[17:04] <Sonorus> shane4ubuntu: all application from original repository
[17:04] <escott> mang0, can you tell us a bit more about your hardware or pastebin the output from lspci
[17:04] <TheXero> So how is 11.04 support with multi monitor then?
[17:04] <mang0> yeah
[17:04] <shane4ubuntu> Sonorus: then you probably have a good chance, however I can't really comment on that since I haven't done that.
[17:04] <mang0> I'm writing that now
[17:04] <TheXero> I'm a little hesitant to upgrade from 10.10
[17:04] <ojii> happy natty everyone
[17:04] <tashkas> does abnybody can help me how to open port on ubuntu 10.10 when eth0=wan and eth1=anotherpc, on eth0 i can watch iptv but on eth1 it dont work!
[17:04] <Sonorus> shane4ubuntu: ok, thx
[17:05] <ojii> i forgot again how I can only download (but not yet install) natty on my 10.10, can anyone help out?
[17:05] <shane4ubuntu> Sonorus: one thing to consider, is the servers are very overloaded so, downloading the upgrade packages will take longer than normal, one person said it took them about 2 hours
[17:05] <sweb> after install my GPU on ubuntu Unity will appear with ubuntu classic top bar. i change it into Ambaince but top menu and another menus will not affect http://up.iranblog.com/images/bltz8oqj0xcfxhbg9664.jpg
[17:05] <Sal9000> oh dear this unity surely is a change... ill try to use it a few days and see if i can survive :P
[17:05] <dcweyh> why is 32 bit recommended over 64 bit?
[17:05] <shane4ubuntu> Sonorus: you could download the alt-desktop disk from torrents and then pop that in and upgrade off the disk, perhaps a faster solution
[17:06] <Moc> What will happen to lost of bug in 11.04 ? will only be fixed with 11.10 ?
[17:06] <Moc> What will happen to all the bug in 11.04 ? will only be fixed with 11.10 ?
[17:06] <Fasa> hello all
[17:06] <GuataPeluda> happy Nasty Naughty
[17:06] <escott> dcweyh, works for everyone no "I tried to install a 64bit version on a 32bit machine"
[17:06] <tashkas> does abnybody can help me how to open port on ubuntu 10.10 when eth0=wan and eth1=anotherpc, on eth0 i can watch iptv but on eth1 it dont work!
[17:06] <mnoyce> Not liking 11.04 at all... Going to give it a chance for a week, but I'm just getting frustrated with it at the moment... :-/
[17:06] <dcweyh> ok thanks
[17:06] <ex0a> if i get a package like zend studio which is a binary package, where should i put the directory so that it's in user's paths according to ubuntu "standards"?
[17:06] <Fasa> can anyone help with PtokaX server on Ubuntu
[17:06] <Moc> see lot of open issue affecting me... wonder if I need just to stick to 10.10 until november
[17:06] <KrisDouglas> mnoyce, you aren't alone
[17:07] <sweb> any body answer me ?
[17:07] <escott> ojii, guessing you would have to switch your apt sources, update and then run a normal download packages, and then revert to the old apt sources and update again
[17:07] <shane4ubuntu> mnoyce: you can switch to the classic desktop if you don't like the desktop
[17:07] <greyhatsalafi> those aren't bugs...those are lack of features
[17:07] <Sonorus> shane4ubuntu: ok, try this way
[17:07] <escott> ex0a, no standard for that. ~/bin is sensible though
[17:07] <Bluebill-Wolf> "	Sidewinder1	Then there is no real need for anti-virus in ubuntu; I've done a lot of reading on the subject...You may wish to read this, it's old but still true: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812"
[17:07] <KrisDouglas> greyhatsalafi, Agreed, there is just a total lack of reconfigurability
[17:07] <escott> ex0a, unless you want it for everyone in which case /opt
[17:07] <jubei1> hello, i am trying to setup a home server/gateway using linux server 10.04 and 2 NICS
[17:07]  * LAcan nods at Bluebill-Wolf 
[17:08] <KrisDouglas> jubei1, go ahead.
[17:08] <mnoyce> shane4ubuntu: I could, but I want to give it a try if this the future of the Ubuntu desktop, just to be fair...
[17:08] <usr13> marel: sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers
[17:08] <greyhatsalafi> KrisDouglas I don't even use ubuntu anymore...i have it installed on my laptop but i triple boot and my main is now CrunchBang...i recommend it...total control and everything works
[17:08] <ojii> escott, ah, i thought there's a apt-get command to do it :(
[17:08] <shane4ubuntu> mnoyce: understood.
[17:08] <Bluebill-Wolf> well i rather have the conversation privite and then post the ruslts :P
[17:08] <gib0t> it is possible to make that very large menu in 11.04 smaller
[17:09] <mang0> right
[17:09] <LAcan> gib0t, menu editor in system/preferences ?
[17:09] <usr13> jubei1: I would suggest a using firewall generator, or just install firestarter
[17:09] <gib0t> LAcan: thx
[17:09] <mang0> escott: http://www.pasteall.org/21215/text
[17:09] <usr13> jubei1: you can do it by hand but...
[17:09] <graingert> does grub support btrfs?
[17:09]  * LAcan nods at usr13 
[17:10] <KrisDouglas> greyhatsalafi, I would use crunchbang, but i write software for an office FULL of ubuntu machines
[17:10] <KrisDouglas> in fact 2 offices.
[17:10] <greyhatsalafi> oh
[17:10] <ex0a> escott: /opt is more along the lines i was looking for, but seeing as i'm the only desktop user on this machine i think i was asking more to see if there was a standard.. i'll probably just leave it in my ~ somewhere for simplicities sake.. ty!
[17:10] <KrisDouglas> LTSP, the works.
[17:10] <usr13> jubei1: i.e.  http://easyfwgen.morizot.net/gen/
[17:10] <escott> graingert, some of the newer versions might, but i think it is safer to have an ext4 /boot
[17:10] <greyhatsalafi> hehe...well...hopefully Unity gets the features it needs
[17:10] <graingert> k
[17:10] <RealOpty> morning
[17:10] <RealOpty> is 11.04 using gnome 3 ??
[17:10] <KrisDouglas> greyhatsalafi, yeah, i love the way it is going- I just think they might have landed it a bit /too/ early.
[17:10] <Ruuuumb0> who knows is gnome 3 in ubuntu 11.04 ?
[17:10] <escott> graingert, btrfs on / is not something i would recommend. its a painful experience
[17:11] <KrisDouglas> Ruuuumb0, You can install it, but it breaks Unity
[17:11] <jubei1> hello, i am trying to setup a home server/gateway using linux server 10.04 and 2 NICS, from the server i use eth1 to dial PPPoE to router and can ping out to internet from server. I use eth0 to switch to give access to client PC's. from the clients i can be assigned dhcp from server and can ping the server. however i cannot ping the internet, the server is blocking requests(?). i have setup
[17:11] <jubei1> packet-forwarding=1 and have put some rules into iptables, but i messed up the iptables rules... could someone inspect the iptables rules, this is 1st time im doing it, and let me know what they think?
[17:11] <RealOpty> I hope not. its crap
[17:11] <escott> mang0, i need more details, like actual chipsets.
[17:11] <Stameni> RealOpty, no, it use it`s own unity
[17:11] <usr13> jubei1: sure, pastebinit it
[17:11] <mang0> escott, mind if I tab?
[17:11] <greyhatsalafi> KrisDouglas i agree...not ready...but they wanted to push it out to have something to show...so they got the bugs out, but added nothing to make deadline...   I hate right-clicking and getting nothing.
[17:11] <ChronicSyncope> natty is released?
[17:11] <Ruuuumb0> KrisDouglas: ok
[17:11] <escott> mang0, feel free to /msg me
[17:11] <jubei1> usr13: ok let me get on that
[17:11] <Fasa> does any know how install PtokaX and Dixbot  on ubuntu
[17:11] <mang0> what about /query?
[17:12] <mang0> Cuz I can't see /msgs in a sepearte tab
[17:12] <mang0> *seperate
[17:12] <escott> mang0, sure
[17:12] <Fasa> does any know how install PtokaX and Dixbot  on ubuntu
[17:12] <RealOpty> Stameni, is it similar to gnome3?
[17:12] <Stameni> RealOpty, it has similarities
[17:13] <coolaj86> Why does the Ubuntu website look like someone accidentally uploaded a draft version?
[17:13] <Stameni> RealOpty, I will myself try to stick with standard gnome interface
[17:13] <ashmew2> hey , im upgrading to natty , so will that remove gnome completely or can i choose from Unity/Gnome once upgrade finishes ?
[17:13] <Pici> Fasa: Perhaps if you explained what those were we could help you.
[17:13] <Pici> ashmew2: The latter.
[17:13] <Stameni> RealOpty, you can choose what u want to use while logging
[17:13] <coolaj86> Lots of "Marker1, Marker2" stuff, css styles that have pictures blocking text, etc. It looks terrible.
[17:13] <ashmew2> Pici : Thanks ! :D
[17:14] <geekliketodd> woo upgrade day!
[17:14] <ashmew2> yeah :D
[17:14] <PhoenixSTF> i did the upgrade
[17:14] <bittin> same here but on Kubuntu
[17:14] <Pici> coolaj86: Looks fine here.  Feel free submit a bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/ though
[17:14] <gib0t> LAcan: there isn't menu editor
[17:15] <Tak> dear god, somebody please help me configure unity
[17:15] <PhoenixSTF> does natty come with nautilus?
[17:15] <Stameni> Can someone tell me is standard gnome interfece in 11.04 the same as in 10.10 ?
[17:15] <coolaj86> Pici: have you tried something webkit?
[17:15] <escott> PhoenixSTF, yes
[17:15] <Pici> coolaj86: I'm using Chrome right now.
[17:15] <harpal> how to update grub entry in 10.10 it has grub2
[17:15] <LAcan> gib0t, im on 10.10 look for something called "Menu Manager"
[17:15] <usr13> !grub2 | harpal
[17:16] <escott> gib0t, alacarte
[17:16] <LAcan> harpal, u need to edit the windows partition. can u boot windows?
[17:16] <someone235> i tried to upgrade to 11.04 & got this error: http://pastebin.com/xDYgtdjF . what ca i do to solve it?
[17:16] <PhoenixSTF> escott, hmm drobox isnt working....
[17:16] <usr13> jubei1: Try this:  pastebinit firewall-script
[17:16] <jiohdi> PhoenixSTF: did you try  dropbox start -i
[17:17] <harpal> LAcan: I dont need to boot to windows, I need to change kernel and I have compiled new kernel with some patches
[17:17] <usr13> jubei1: (and send resulting URL)
[17:17] <andeeeuk> everytime i try to upgrade it says to check the internet connection
[17:17] <sam16> guys howz ubuntu 11.04?
[17:17] <coolaj86> Pici: I just hit refresh again and now it looks beautiful. I must have caught it just as it was being updated or had a bad cache of the stylesheet
[17:17] <andeeeuk> though im on it right now
[17:17] <andeeeuk> lol
[17:17] <LAcan> harpal, download "Grub Customizer" it has a PPA .. google it
[17:17] <escott> PhoenixSTF, i've heard about assorted dropbox/nautilus issues, but don't use it myself. if this is post upgrade I would remove dropbox, reinstall nautilius and then reinstall dropbox
[17:17] <OverTheHillAndFa> ehm... i used the prerelease for a while with unity-2d in lack of a working graphical driver. now i got one working. so i started to use unity-3d. but the 2d menu bar overlayed the 3d. actually two bars loaded. so i uninstalled all unity-2d packages and reinstalled unity-3d. but i am not able to get i loaded from the login screen.... help?
[17:18] <mnoyce> Is there anyway to turn off the Apps for Download list?
[17:18] <RealOpty> has anyone used apt-cache-ng to do distupgrade ??
[17:18] <escott> harpal, grub2 autofinds kernels should just be able to drop it in /boot
[17:19] <lwizardl> so in the official release of 11.04 has anyone checked to see if you can right click and select compress on ISO images ?
[17:19] <sam16> is ubuntu 11.04 is recommended for desktop?
[17:19] <Witchsong> Does the Unity interface have a built-in way to enable desktop/visual effects like you could with the GNOME interface?
[17:19] <PhoenixSTF> escott, it is working the icon on the tray is not...
[17:19] <lwizardl> sam16, yes
[17:19] <coolaj86> pici: spoke too soon, I clicked "what's new" and now I'm seeing the same as before
[17:19]  * LAcan recommends 10.10 for the next few months.
[17:19] <raju> sam16:  just for trying ....not for standard use
[17:19] <PhoenixSTF> jiohdi, thank m8 it is working :) icon on tray not so true
[17:19] <KrisDouglas> Witchsong, install compiz config settings manager
[17:19] <coolaj86> but looks fine on my android
[17:19] <sam16> raju : is it ?
[17:19] <jiohdi> PhoenixSTF: np
[17:20] <mikebeecham> I take it I can now upgrade safely with update-manager -d?
[17:20] <harpal> escott: I tried that and then run command update-grub but still entries not updated.
[17:20] <escott> PhoenixSTF, shrug sorry
[17:20] <sam16> so u recommend ubuntu 10.10 only?
[17:20] <RealOpty> has anyone used apt-cache-ng to do distupgrade ??
[17:20] <coolaj86> and a few refreshes later it's fine again...
[17:20] <LAcan> sam16, for the next little while yes. let the nerds work out all the bugs.. im gonna wait for 11.10 personally
[17:20] <Feyisayo> I try to upgrade from Meerkat to Natty and the license says Natty is still beta. Is this supposed to happen?
[17:20] <PhoenixSTF> escott, its ok m8 thanks anyway :)
[17:20] <Thriky> Anyone know if it's a good idea to install the latest available Ubuntu server or should I stick to the LTS releases? How trivial (or not) is updating a non-LTS version as new releases come out? Stupidly non-viable?
[17:21] <ninjai> okay okay, how are you _supposed_ to open multiple file managers in unity?
[17:21] <raju> sam16:  if u wanna try it you can . but still few more fixings need for the latest version .
[17:21] <jiohdi> Feyisayo: its ok, it will gradually update to full version
[17:21] <sam16> raju :so u recommend ubuntu 10.10 only?
[17:21]  * LAcan nods at raju
[17:21] <someone235> upgrade problem -> http://pastebin.com/xDYgtdjF . help pls
[17:21] <PhoenixSTF> anyone knows if natty got more suport on asus eeepc power control?
[17:21] <raju> sam16:  tell me exactly do u wanna go for trying or standard using
[17:21] <escott> harpal, i think it is grub-mkconfig
[17:22] <mnoyce> ninjai: Ctrl+N?
[17:22] <sam16> standard usage
[17:22] <sam16> i want stable os
[17:22] <ninjai> mnoyce, does nothing.
[17:22] <usr13> jubei1: See my private message
[17:22] <skulltip> how is the new beast
[17:22] <LAcan> sam16, 10.04 should be the most stable...
[17:22] <Thriky> Anyone know if it's a good idea to install the latest available Ubuntu server or should I stick to the LTS releases? How trivial (or not) is updating a non-LTS version as new releases come out? Stupidly non-viable? <- sorry meant to add this is for a WEB server
[17:22] <sam16> which work qick and stable
[17:22] <jiohdi> sam16 you might want to look at debian without ubuntu
[17:22] <LAcan> Thriky, stick to it
[17:23] <raju> sam16 go for  10.10
[17:23] <scialen> howdy! I got a no mount /dev/loop0 problem for 11.04
[17:23] <NOC> hmm
[17:23] <LAcan> sam16, ya 10.10 is nice
[17:23] <sam16> currently em having that ...
[17:23] <mnoyce> ninjai: If you have the file manager open, Ctrl+N should open another window.
[17:23] <ninjai> mnoyce, thanks
[17:23] <NOC> somebody ?
[17:23] <LAcan> what NOC?
[17:23] <usr13> jubei1: Or you can email me if you like.
[17:23] <raju> sam16 update it daily
[17:23] <sam16>  thank you guys for ur suggestion
[17:23] <NOC> i cant send email from my page
[17:23] <gaara> i have blank screen after booting into a fresh natty installation
[17:23] <Feyisayo> Anyone here?
[17:23] <NOC> running apache
[17:23] <sam16> ok
[17:23] <gaara> help please
[17:24] <escott> someone235, if none of the exceptions apply to you can you please pastebin the contents of /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[17:24] <NOC> what should i do bro LAcan
[17:24] <LAcan> NOC, thats pretty broad... email from your page?
[17:24] <raju> gaara:  i will try
[17:24] <mnoyce> ninjai: I had the same issue this morning and when trying to open multiple terminal windows. :-/
[17:24] <Tak> oh good, my compiz settings got deleted
[17:24] <NOC> i mean .. its a contact form
[17:24] <LAcan> NOC, #apache
[17:24] <gaara> raju, thanks..is there info i can give you to fix it?
[17:24] <Wickk> Ok so I just reinstalled the propietary driver my ATI card and i'm still not getting my window decorations drawn in Unity
[17:24] <LAcan> !apache
[17:24] <sam16> i need all features of 11.04 in ma 10.04  can u guys tell which all software i should upgrade
[17:24] <NOC> already done that
[17:24] <someone235> pre-release means beta\RC version?
[17:24] <LAcan> NOC, #apache
[17:24] <escott> NOC, you need to test if your smtp server is working, and then test if your php code is working
[17:24] <NOC> yes
[17:25] <NOC> escott : my ubuntu is fresh
[17:25] <gib0t> that menu in 11.04 is very unconfortable to manage I need 6 klicks for something I needed 2 before
[17:25] <mnoyce> Does anyone know if there's any way to turn off the Apps for Download list thingy?
[17:25] <cgtdk> gib0t: http://xubuntu.org ;)
[17:25] <NOC> how to do smtp in a correct way?
[17:25] <gib0t> cgtdk: I think I have to change
[17:25] <jiohdi> gib0t: you can switch to any other desktop like kde or xfce
[17:25] <escott> NOC, try #ubuntu-server
[17:25] <LAcan> !smtp | NOC
[17:25] <usr13> NOC: telnet ?
[17:25] <raju> gaara i am here only
[17:26] <NOC> thanks
[17:26] <gaara> raju , i'm a little desparate in trying to get this to work...
[17:26] <gib0t> jiohdi: I know that but I like it to see how the new ideas for desktop are
[17:26] <someone235> escott, /var/log/dist-upgrade/ gots a lot of files
[17:26] <jiohdi> gib0t: unity is still a work in progress
[17:26] <someone235> should i paste any specific file?
[17:26] <ray_> This really puts long-term support into perspective: http://www.ubuntu.com/business/desktop/long-term-support
[17:26] <scialen> I got a problem for 11.04 - can not mount /dev/loop0 to //filesystem.squashfs due to  an I/O error.
[17:26] <ray_> bye
[17:27] <bittin> bye
[17:27]  * LAcan is happy that he can use the internet off his BB thru bluetooth so painlessley in 10.10. Very impressed.
[17:27] <usr13> gaara: no login option?
[17:27] <escott> someone235, well the log of the problem is somewhere in there. if you can look through those files to identify any problems
[17:27] <damiano__> guys if i set the document root as /home/lighttpd/vhosts/website.com/httpdocs(lighttpd) what path do i have to use on the chroot= option(PHP-FPM) ? thanks
[17:27] <usr13> gaara: Try:   Ctrl-Alt-F6
[17:28] <Feyisayo> Thanks jiohdi
[17:28] <skulltip> any first takes on 11.04?
[17:28] <Alterno> Greeetings, I ran the update manager, but just found a few updates available and nothing about upgrading from beta 2 to stable. what's going on?
[17:28] <mnoyce> skulltip: It's different...
[17:29] <jiohdi> skulltip: a lot of things that did not work for me in 10.10 now work... like I can use docky with non-compositing desktops
[17:29] <someone235> E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.' - what 'held packages' means?
[17:29] <OfficiallyPC> Alterno: Did you try update-manager -d
[17:29] <gib0t> it is possible to show in the unity startmenu more und smaller icons
[17:29] <mnoyce> skulltip: Feels very... clunky and awkward at the moment. But it's only been a few hours in the driving seat.
[17:30] <skulltip> if i upgrade from 10.10, besides backups, does it preserve my current home folder, custom directories and games I've copied?
[17:30] <Alterno> @Officialllypclet me try to run  that command
[17:30] <gib0t> i think than it is easier to handle on big screens with big resolution
[17:31] <jiohdi> skulltip: your home directory stays the same... you can also make a second user and directory and play around in it without disturbing your first
[17:31] <OfficiallyPC> Alterno: Any luck?
[17:31] <skulltip> mnoyce - still have to turn off compiz to play fps's well?
[17:31] <LAcan> does kismet have a proper GUI? like a gnome interface?
[17:31] <skulltip> ..or drop the effects to basic
[17:31] <damiano__> guys if i set the document root as /home/lighttpd/vhosts/website.com/httpdocs(lighttpd) what path do i have to use on the chroot= option(PHP-FPM) ? thanks
[17:31] <gaara> i'm having screen backlight problem after installation of natty! someone help! screen is almost pitch dark! though i know it boots in!
[17:31] <mnoyce> skulltip: Don't play that many games, to be honest, so I cannot help you there.
[17:32] <Alterno> Shows that there's not updates available, says system is updated
[17:32] <damiano__> someon could help me?
[17:32] <Guest31762> hey all here is the question, I have a OSX Leopard hard drive as my second drive and ubuntu 10.10 see's it great but I cant change the permissions and it says invalid partition table
[17:32] <Alterno> how do I check if my system still running beta?
[17:32] <gtklocker> hello, I need some help with ubuntu; I try to install it on a desktop via CD and every version of it I've tried installs some things and then says "Please insert the disk labeled Karmic Koala blabla"; whatever I press nothing happens - any idea?
[17:32] <mnoyce> skulltip: First time I've used Compiz for a few releases.
[17:32] <LAcan> gtklocker, where are you getting your CD's from?
[17:32] <jiohdi> Alterno: if you were running beta it will just upgrade to full eventually no worries
[17:32] <skulltip> cool, thanks mnoyce
[17:33] <Alterno> ok
[17:33] <gtklocker> LAcan: burning the isos but I've even tried with some shipped 6.06 that still didn't work
[17:33] <LAcan> gtklocker, FROM WHERE?
[17:33] <gtklocker> LAcan: TDK CD-Rs or DVD-RWs
[17:34] <root> bnmnb,
[17:34] <gtklocker> LAcan: the isos from ubuntu.com
[17:34] <escott> Guest31762, mac uses gpt not dos partition types. it shouldn't be giving you that error but gdisk can verify the gpt partition type
[17:34] <Guest35532> mnb,mnb,
[17:34] <Guest31762> ty escott
[17:35] <LAcan> gtklocker, karmic koala seems like old software. get a 10.10 ISO and use that
[17:35] <Guest35532> work lan
[17:35] <Dominater> if i install will xfce will run faster than gnome on ubuntu?
[17:35] <LAcan> Dominater, why wouldnt u just install xubuntu?
[17:35] <rumpe1> Dominater: not much
[17:36] <mnoyce> Ctrl+W makes switching between Apps on Desktops a lot easier...
[17:36] <gtklocker> LAcan: I have tried with 11.04, 10.04, 10.10, same shit
[17:36] <rad4Christ> Anyone here familiar with Likewise Open?
[17:36] <vooze> if i used to have beta2, if i dist-upgrade now, will i get final?
[17:36] <mnoyce> Oops! I meant Super+W makes switching between Apps on Desktops a lot easier...
[17:36] <Eduard> guys, does anybody know, if broken dependency  problem with nvidia-96 was fixed in 11.04?
[17:36] <Guest35532> how i instal smeserver
[17:36] <OverTheHillAndFa> unity will not load at login... how to fix? it starts fine from terminal
[17:36] <LAcan> gtklocker, what are you picking as your GUI? have u tried just using the default (gnome)?
[17:37] <gtklocker> LAcan: I have tried with the desktop and alternative versions, all same shit
[17:37] <Dominater> because my laptop runs very hot when i run gnome so i need to try something light on it
[17:37] <LAcan> Eduard, they are up to nvidia 173 now... but i dont know if thats for your card or what...
[17:37] <josephnexus> in natty, when I enable dual screen, my system becomes nearly unresponsive.  I have an nvidia 8800... should be fine
[17:37] <gtklocker> LAcan: and while I could make a custom installation with say Arch Linux I don't know if it's possible with ubuntu
[17:37] <jubei1> Guest1496740: download the iso from the website, burn, and put it in the cdrom drive to install.
[17:38] <narwhaller> Is anyone else having trouble with enabling unity?
[17:38] <josephnexus> looks like it installed the wrong driver by default
[17:38] <ManDay> Does 11.04 still have a netbook version?
[17:38] <hypetech> narwhaller: should be enabled by default
[17:38] <josephnexus> manday, no
[17:38] <ManDay> ok
[17:38] <hypetech> ManDay: no
[17:38] <ManDay> ty
[17:38] <mnoyce> ManDay: No. The netbook and desktop versions are now one and the same.
[17:39] <jubei1> hello, i am trying to setup a home server/gateway using linux server 10.04 and 2 NICS, from the server i use eth1 to dial PPPoE to router and can ping out to internet from server. I use eth0 to switch to give access to client PC's. from the clients i can be assigned dhcp from server and can ping the server. however i cannot ping the internet, the server is blocking requests(?). i have setup
[17:39] <jubei1> packet-forwarding=1 and have put some rules into iptables, but i think i messed up the iptables rules... could someone inspect the iptables rules, this is 1st time im doing it, and let me know what they think?
[17:39] <Planet_EN> my gnome-network-manager keeps saying ethernet device is not managed? i removed eth0 from the wired interface how do i add it back?
[17:39] <narwhaller> hypetech: It should, but I had to install proprietary drivers, so it booted into default gnome, and now it won't switch to unity. when I run 'unity' in the terminal, the computer freezes
[17:39] <OverTheHillAndFa> narwhaller: probably a driverproblem if you have a clean install
[17:39] <ManDay> mnoyce: i thought so
[17:39] <tashkas> does ubuntu on shared connection transfare by default igmp protocol?
[17:40] <OverTheHillAndFa> narwhaller: if there is more than one proprietary driver in the list try another one
[17:40] <narwhaller> OverTheHillAndFa: Alright, thanks for the advice!
[17:40] <ScreenIssues> Problem: Ubuntu installer was not running (screen too dim to read). Used alternate installer as suggested by someone here. I'm finally up and running, but my screen is too dim to be useable. Fn+Fx keys pull up brightness indicator, but do nothing.
[17:41] <Planet_EN> hello?
[17:41] <escott> Planet_EN, iwconfig eth0 mode Auto
[17:41] <econdudeawesome> So I'm still trying to figure out how to change my TTY shell background color from purple to black. I've removed my GUI and used rcconf to turn off Xserver and GDM. Anyone know how to do this? escott has helped me a bit, but I think we've both run out of ideas.
[17:42] <djhaskin987> madj42: You were right. MMF Registration failure in the logs when installing SMP. I found this article http://www.symantec.com/docs/TECH42343  which presumably talks about it.
[17:42] <ChronicSyncope> how hard is it to revert back to the 10.10 gnome?
[17:42] <Witchsong> I did something, and now Windows + A and Windows + F key combinations don't open Find Applications/Find Files anymore.
[17:42] <Witchsong> :S
[17:42] <mnoyce> Webupd8 (http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html) has some nice tweeks. I've turned off the new scrollbars as: A) Not all Apps support them, and B) I just prefer proper scollbars.
[17:42] <sagaci> ChronicSyncope, login to classic gnoem
[17:42] <sagaci> gnome*
[17:42] <ChronicSyncope> sagaci, okay, i haven't done the upgrade yet.
[17:42] <ChronicSyncope> sagaci, thanks though, i wanted to know before I did it.
[17:43] <jester7> I see on the website, the new "dash" for natty is not fullscreen.  It is on mine, how to I resize the dash?
[17:43] <Planet_EN> escott: it says: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device eth0 ; Operation not supported.
[17:43] <John_Gate> When buying a new laptop to use with natty narwhal, is it best to chose intel or amd processor? And amd, nvidia or intel graphics? I mean, does ubuntu run better with some cpus/gpus?
[17:43] <nonix4> ChronicSyncope: well trying it in VM complained about missing hw support and did that classic gnome by default; guess login screen will also have option for selecting that.
[17:44] <escott> Planet_EN, is eth0 ethernet or wireless
[17:44] <Planet_EN> escott: wireless is connected
[17:44] <compdoc> John_Gate, amd or intel are fine. I use AMD for servers running virtual machines. tends to cost a lot less
[17:44] <ChronicSyncope> nonix4, yeah this is just netbook unity
[17:44] <ChronicSyncope> nonix4, which you can turn off when logging in
[17:44] <John_Gate> compdoc: I see!
[17:45] <ChronicSyncope> wow my harddrive is making a scary noise from this update
[17:45] <ChronicSyncope> i hope it's not the end
[17:45] <mah454> PLEASE FIX "WWW.UBUNTU.COM" WEB SITE ... !
[17:45] <mah454> PLEASE FIX "WWW.UBUNTU.COM" WEB SITE ... !
[17:45] <compdoc> mah454, whats wrong with it?
[17:45] <ChronicSyncope> mah454, what is wrong with it
[17:45] <josephnexus> mah454: what's wrong with it?
[17:45] <compdoc> heh
[17:45] <josephnexus> it's working fine for me
[17:45] <mikebot> Could someone please explain to me how the ubuntu windows installer works? Does it install ubuntu on the same partition as windows? And does it run ubuntu like a program?
[17:45] <narwhaller> Okay, I reinstalled, a different graphics driver, checked 'ubuntu' at log in, and I'm still not getting unity. None of the compiz effects are working either. Is there any simple way to activate unity?
[17:45] <raju> me too
[17:45] <escott> Planet_EN, is it wired or wireless
[17:45] <econdudeawesome> So I'm still trying to figure out how to change my TTY shell background color from purple to black. I've removed my GUI and used rcconf to turn off Xserver and GDM. Anyone know how to do this? escott has helped me a bit, but I think we've both run out of ideas.
[17:46] <jester7> I see on the website, the new "dash" for natty is not fullscreen.  It is on mine, how to I resize the dash?
[17:46] <m_fulder> how come htop and free show different memory usage?? :O
[17:46] <raju> mikebot its very easy man
[17:46] <jrib> econdudeawesome: what version of ubuntu is this?
[17:46] <escott> mikebot, do you mean wubi?
[17:46] <mikebot> escott: Yeah
[17:46] <econdudeawesome> jrib: 10.10
[17:46] <raju> escott:  i think s
[17:46] <rach0> mikebot, yes it does, it creates a virtual disk, installation and uninstallation of wubi/ubuntu is like regular windows app
[17:46] <flipp> mikebot it creates a image file on your btfs partition in windows. then you reboot and can boot ubuntu but all changes you make are stored in this .disk file. if you dont like ubuntu anymore you can just uninstall like a programm
[17:46] <ChronicSyncope> mikebot, it installs in windows LIKE a program, but runs separately like an OS. No partitioning involved.
[17:46] <jrib> econdudeawesome: that's a bit confusing.  You can't disable X using rcconf
[17:47] <raju> !wubi | mikebot
[17:47] <mikebot> ChronicSyncope: So if I boot into Ubuntu, Windows will not be loaded, correct?
[17:47] <jstoone> hey guys I was wondering if you can recommend any desktop recorder that works well with 11.04?
[17:47] <ChronicSyncope> mikebot, correct
[17:47] <econdudeawesome> jrib: I uninstalled X. I want to work directly in the command line. But I'm trying to change the default background color--it persists to the tty shells
[17:47] <escott> mikebot, wubi is a bit hairy. it creates a file on the ntfs (windows filesystem) and then somehow boots ubuntu with a loopback into that file. most people prefer using a virtual machine, or a straight install to the hard disk
[17:47] <Hedgehog456> !natty > Hedgehog456
[17:47] <vooze> What is the easyest way to upgrade from beta2 to final??
[17:47] <jrib> econdudeawesome: why did you say you used rcconf?
[17:47] <mikebot> ChronicSyncope: Thank you
[17:47] <rumpel1> vooze, apt-get upgrade
[17:47] <ChronicSyncope> mikebot, no problem
[17:47] <josephnexus> vooze: just run your updates
[17:48] <mah454> compdoc can i send screenshot  for you ?
[17:48] <tim> grub2 doesn't boot windows7. however, he recognizes the partition and adds it to the menu. when i try to boot it, nothing but a cursor appears. what's wrong?
[17:48] <Bluebill-Wolf> btw how do i defrag my hard drive in ubuntu?
[17:48] <mikebot> escott: Lenovo ideapads come with like 4 partitions already, so I cannot create another to install ubuntu to dual boot
[17:48] <econdudeawesome> jrib: I used rcconf to turn off X-something, it's one of the options. But i'd already uninstalled portions of it
[17:48] <mikebot> escott: (And I need windows to run my university's exam software; no emulators allowed)
[17:48] <josephnexus> Bluebill-Wolf: defragging is for stuff like ntfs and what not, not needed in ext4 and such
[17:48] <mah454> ChronicSyncope can i send screen shot for you ?
[17:48] <compdoc> mah454, you can try - not sure if my dcc ports are open or not
[17:48] <ChronicSyncope> mah454, sure
[17:48] <jrib> econdudeawesome: the proper way to stop gdm from starting is to just add "text" to your kernel line in grub
[17:48] <misha_> hey
[17:49] <Guest59163> !list
[17:49] <escott> mikebot, i would suggest using virtualbox and running ubuntu as guest, or repartitioning
[17:49] <econdudeawesome> jrib: fair enough. My question is how to change the background coloration though. Do you know how to do that?
[17:49] <vooze> rumpel1, josephnexus says no updates..
[17:49] <m_fulder> lol
[17:49] <escott> mikebot, but you can always try wubi see what happens
[17:49] <Witchsong> I want my Super + A / Super + F shortcuts back. Anyone know how?
[17:49] <josephnexus> vooze, apt-get update first
[17:49] <narwhaller> Hey guys, Is there any way to test to see If my current graphics driver supports unity
[17:49] <mikebot> escott: What is virtual box?
[17:49] <jrib> econdudeawesome: try setterm
[17:50] <vooze> josephnexus, i did :)
[17:50] <escott> mikebot, free virtualmachine app from oracle/sn
[17:50] <ChronicSyncope> mah454, just use an image hosting site like imgur.com
[17:50] <josephnexus> mikebot: it's a way of virtualizing other operating systems
[17:50] <escott> sun
[17:50] <econdudeawesome> jrib: so, I run that in a tty shell. Do I then need to restart? Or should it do that immediately?
[17:50] <josephnexus> it works quite well
[17:50] <jrib> econdudeawesome: you shouldn't need to restart
[17:50] <m_fulder> the free command seems borken ... when I check SystemMonitor or htop Im getting 500/4000 mb RAM used but when I check free it shows 3800/4000 RAM used :S:S
[17:50] <mikebot> But would that force me to run two OSs?
[17:50] <ChronicSyncope> oh dear god why did i choose to upgrade now. the repos are so backed up...
[17:50] <ChronicSyncope> mikebot, are you trying to run one inside the other? or run the separately?
[17:51] <escott> mikebot, well it is a virtual machine so yes
[17:51] <econdudeawesome> I see that it works fine on my little laptop, which has the gui installed. The coloration that persists seems to be whatever Plymouth is using, and setterm did not change that
[17:51] <MarcusSt> the hid_cando touchscreen driver does not seem to survive suspend. dmesg tells the usb device was disconnected. the other usb devices are just fine...
[17:51] <jstoone> quit just gone
[17:51] <mikebot> OK, this is what I want: to have a dual boot machine that has windows 7 starter and ubuntu netbook remix
[17:51] <ChronicSyncope> escott, he might not know what a VM is, this is his first time installing an dualboot os
[17:51] <escott> econdudeawesome, is it fbset?
[17:51] <ScottONanski> I feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Ubuntu apt-get repositories suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.
[17:51] <escott> econdudeawesome, dragging out some old old memories here
[17:51] <phoenixsampras> HOW DO I UPGRAde to 11.04?
[17:51] <econdudeawesome> escott: fbset? That is the time I saw that
[17:52] <mikebot> However, the crappy ideapad s10-3 comes with so many partitions that I am unable to create another one (is 4 the max?).
[17:52] <econdudeawesome> escott: I tried setterm, but it would not work
[17:52] <ChronicSyncope> phoenixsampras, just click the upgrade button in software upgrades
[17:52] <Planet_EN> escott: do I have to disable wireless for that?
[17:52] <ChronicSyncope> mikebot, make a virtual partition (is that what it's called? i forget)
[17:52] <Witchsong> The area where the launcher would appear isn't functional for other applications using that area.
[17:52] <ChronicSyncope> you make it the same exact way
[17:52] <sfdsafdsafdsa> OMG I DONT like this new relase
[17:52] <mello> Hi, I cannot boot natty from my USB; i get a mounting problem: http://pastebin.com/JvF0fTRa
[17:52] <mah454> ChronicSyncope OK please wait ....
[17:52] <ChronicSyncope> mikebot, you make it the same exact way in a partition manager
[17:52] <sfdsafdsafdsa> is that gnome 3???
[17:52] <PingaR0x> hi, after installing ubuntu 11.04 in my notebook the wireless stop working
[17:52] <econdudeawesome> escott: you dont think it would be something to do with Plymouth, do you?
[17:52] <Witchsong> For example, I cannot use Firefox's back and forward buttons.
[17:52] <mah454> compdoc OK please wait ...
[17:53] <PingaR0x> what can i do?
[17:53] <ChronicSyncope> mah454, i gotta run, send it to compdoc or josephnexus
[17:53] <Bluebill-Wolf> brb updateing os
[17:53] <mikebot> ChronicSyncope: Am I allowed to have as many of those as I want?
[17:53] <jrib> econdudeawesome: does echoing the ansi escape sequence for "reset" or maybe "black background" work?
[17:53] <compdoc> mah454, its not receiving - paste the shot online
[17:53] <escott> Planet_EN, im uncertain what eth0 is... is eth0 a port on the side of your computer where you plug a wire, or is it a wireless connection
[17:53] <conorhogan> hello
[17:53] <ChronicSyncope> mikebot, as far as I know. you can create them with any real partition manager
[17:53] <rokyronnie> anyone with "Out of range" error after 11.04 install?
[17:53] <ChronicSyncope> mikebot, i gotta run, sorry
[17:53] <econdudeawesome> hmm
[17:53] <mikebot> ChronicSyncope: OK, thnaks
[17:53] <econdudeawesome> jrib: I'll give that a try too
[17:53] <conorhogan> can you update ubuntu 10.10 to 10.11 or do you have to download the iso and install fully?
[17:53] <Aikar> ok, I have 2 external monitors on my laptop running ubuntu, 1 port is display port and its "DP or laptop monitor" cant use both. so i dont use laptop screen. however power just went out and i lost my monitors, and switching to a TTY1 gave me a screen, i want to know if its possible to reenter a gui from TTy1 while X is running on TTY7?
[17:54] <mello> Hi, I cannot boot natty from my USB; i get a mounting problem: http://pastebin.com/JvF0fTRa
[17:54] <escott> econdudeawesome, it certainly is plymouth, but plymouth just modifies the framebuffer, you need to switch it back i think you can do stuff like that with fbset. you might check if there are gentoo docs on this
[17:54] <_Neytiri_> does anyone know how to make bash log in realtime
[17:54] <Witchsong> conorhogan: You can upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04.
[17:54] <escott> _Neytiri_, shopt -s histappend and ...
[17:54] <scialen> mello: I have the same problem
[17:54] <mah454> ChronicSyncope http://mahsom.persiangig.com/image/Screenshot-1.png
[17:54] <nascentmind> Hi. When I do a sudo do-release-upgrade I get connection timed out/unable to connect for archive.canonical.com. Should I go ahead with the upgrade?
[17:54] <mello> scialen: did you boot from USB too or is it a CD?
[17:54] <mah454> ChronicSyncope http://mahsom.persiangig.com/image/Screenshot.png
[17:54] <escott> export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a'
[17:54] <Veloce06> mello: how did you create the USB stilck
[17:54] <mah454> compdoc http://mahsom.persiangig.com/image/Screenshot.png
[17:54] <scialen> CD, then DVD on the CD iso
[17:54] <Veloce06> stick
[17:55] <pindropper> i followed the instructions for installing and configuring LAMP, available here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP , but when i browse to http://localhost i get a 403 forbidden error
[17:55] <mah454> compdoc http://mahsom.persiangig.com/image/Screenshot-1.png
[17:55] <mello> Veloce06: unetbootin
[17:55] <scialen> I'm now downloading the DVD iso
[17:55] <escott> _Neytiri_, if that was what you meant
[17:55] <conorhogan> witchsong - how? and is that the newest ? thanks
[17:55] <mello> Veloce06: I'm going to format it again...
[17:55] <scialen> but mine was an I/O error
[17:55] <jubei1> hello, i am trying to setup a home server/gateway using linux server 10.04 and 2 NICS, from the server i use eth1 to dial PPPoE to router and can ping out to internet from server. I use eth0 to switch to give access to client PC's. from the clients i can be assigned dhcp from server and can ping the server. however i cannot ping the internet, the server is blocking requests(?). i have setup
[17:55] <jubei1> packet-forwarding=1 and have put some rules into iptables, but i think i messed up the iptables rules... could someone inspect the iptables rules, this is 1st time im doing it, and let me know what they think? - http://paste.ubuntu.com/600339/
[17:55] <_Neytiri_> not sure if it is, i want to make it so as the commands are being run it loges them
[17:55] <destinydriven> ubuntu 11.04 :D
[17:55] <Veloce06> Make sure the usb stick is fat32, mine was having problems because it was fat16.
[17:55] <mah454> compdoc I use firefox-4
[17:56] <skabja> i am upgrading to 11.04 but the downloads are really slow
[17:56] <mah454> ChronicSyncope I use firefox-4
[17:56] <Veloce06> when I reformatted to fat32 and did unetbootin again it worked fine
[17:56] <josephnexus> skabja: similar thing here... I think the servers are a bit overwhelmed
[17:56] <roasted_> I have Firefox on Ubuntu 11.04, but I do not have an import/export option in the "show all bookmarks menu." Does anybody know how else I can import my bookmarks?
[17:56] <mello> Veloce06: I will try now.. gparted is rnning
[17:56] <Wickk> Why aren't my compiz settings saving throughout a reboot?
[17:56] <escott> _Neytiri_, as distinct from history?
[17:57] <Witchsong> conorhogan: Just boot from the DVD and the setup will give you the option to either wipe your existing 10.10 install before you install or just upgrade it to 11.04.
[17:57] <Veloce06> mello: I just got mine working as we speak
[17:57] <jrib> econdudeawesome: what variation of setterm did you try exactly?
[17:57] <bombuzal> Hello. I dual-boot Ubuntu and Windows 7 and have 2 data partitions which I intended on sharing between the two, however, the newest partition isn't in the GPT table - is there a safe way to add it without breaking anything? :P
[17:57] <mello> Veloce06: my unetbootin is running :) let's see..
[17:57] <conorhogan> witchsong - thanks, i just booted in and i got a pop up to install. wasnt expecting that with linux
[17:57] <Witchsong> Does anyone else have the issue that the launcher area cannot be used by other applications? Like there is an overlay which won't let you click through?
[17:57] <_Neytiri_> escott,  what do you mean by that
[17:57] <compdoc> skabja, if you search google for 'ubuntu mirrors' you can see the d/l speeds of each site. pick a site thats fast. It took me about 6 mins to d/l 11.04 a little while ago
[17:57] <OvidiuZeicu> Hello. I have a hard disk problem, S.M.A.R.T. is going bad and I want to recover as much data as I can. I'm doing that via Live CD, but I need to take ownership of the drive. Could you please guide me into doing that?
[17:58] <PhoenixSTF> ok guys compiz on natty is messed up, cant use the cube mode and stuff
[17:58] <cdbs> Witchsong: You mean in 11.04?
[17:58] <Witchsong> Yes.
[17:58] <Aikar> i have an external monitors i use for my display, and powers out with them off (laptop), is there a command i can run from a diff TTY thatll make my GUI TTY move back to laptop screen?
[17:58] <conorhogan> is 11.04 a stable release?
[17:58] <Aikar> yes
[17:58] <escott> _Neytiri_, i don't know what you mean. you want to log all commands entered in bash? those are already stored in the users history if it is for personal use. or is for an audit/security
[17:58] <jrib> conorhogan: yes
[17:58] <John_Gate> Is there an application that easily let's you chose and install themes? I use natty narwhal.
[17:59] <conorhogan> jrib - ill upgrade then thanks
[17:59] <cdbs> PhoenixSTF: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/compiz-cube-natty/
[17:59] <mah454> ChronicSyncope can you contact to ubuntu web master for fix this ?
[17:59] <pindropper> i followed the instructions for installing and configuring LAMP, available here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP , but when i browse to http://localhost i get a 403 forbidden error. Anyone have any ideas? (Before i did any configuration changes after install, as specified in the doc, it was working.)
[17:59] <flipp> 64 bit mirror -> http://hoellenecke.de/flipp/tmp/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:59] <gaara> ahhhh
[17:59] <cdbs> pindropper: Try sudo service apache2 restart
[17:59] <gaara> natty causing unnecessary problems for me!
[17:59] <compdoc> Im installnig 11.04 right now, but its stuck: Retrieving file 9 of 30
[17:59] <cdbs> pindropper: Just after installation there can be problems like that
[17:59] <escott> OvidiuZeicu, take ownership? you shouldn't need to just mount the partitions and copy the data
[17:59] <pindropper> cdbs: ok.
[17:59] <[Soma]> anyone here know how to deal with performance issues when it comes to flash. with windows, I can easily watch 1080p youtube videos on fullscreen. with youtube, 480 is as high as I can go without it going choppy. and flash games are virtually unplayable.
[17:59] <gaara> NO backlight at all after booting!
[17:59] <cdbs> gaara: What are the problems?
[17:59] <mah454> compdoc Can you contact to ubuntu web master for fix this ?
[17:59] <stefg> OvidiuZeicu: gksudo nautilus will give you a file-manager with superuser privileges. Where do you want to save your files to?
[17:59] <gaara> someone help
[17:59] <_Neytiri_> i want to log all commands that happin in bash as they get run, i have several users who are trying to cover there tracks by boming out the shell
[17:59] <flipp> skabja if you search 64 bit heres a mirror http://hoellenecke.de/flipp/tmp/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:59] <cdbs> gaara: Which GPU?
[17:59] <mtlife> is a geforce 2 mx200 hardware supported to run 11.04?
[18:00] <gaara> cdbs, the screen is dead dark
[18:00] <OvidiuZeicu> It doesn't work. It won`t let me copy many of them because I'm not the owner.
[18:00] <gaara> cdbs, well i dont have a dedicated graphics card...but its an integrated intel onboard gfx card
[18:00] <pindropper> cdbs: it gives me an error. it says "/etc/init.d/apache2: 1: ServerName: not found"
[18:00] <OvidiuZeicu> Many, but not all, and that is weird.
[18:00] <compdoc> mah454, that picture you posted doesnt really show the problem, because another window is in the way. I have no problems. what country and site are you trying to open?
[18:00] <gerrin> screen on laptop is busted, is there anyway to turn it off and set external port as primary monitor from terminal
[18:00] <stefg> mtlife: not by the nvidia driver, only by nv or noveau (the open source ones)
[18:00] <escott> OvidiuZeicu, then sudo your copy command
[18:01] <cdbs> pindropper: modify /etc/apache2/httpd.conf and write in it: ServerName 127.0.0.1
[18:01] <escott> OvidiuZeicu, and make sure to use the switch to preserve permissions
[18:01] <mah454> compdoc I live in Iran ...
[18:01] <roasted_> What is Unity's relationship to Ubuntu? Can Unity be installed on other Linux Distributions or is it exclusive to Ubuntu Only?
[18:01] <cdbs> pindropper: then run that command again
[18:01] <pindropper> cdbs: ok
[18:01] <escott> OvidiuZeicu, cp -aR
[18:01] <gaara> cdbs, so i dont know if its a gpu issue, but i know it boots successfully into natty, but screen is dead dark! backlighting does not work
[18:01] <cdbs> roasted_: There is some work ongoing to port it to Fedora, they've had quite much success
[18:01] <Witchsong> Does anyone else have the issue that the launcher area cannot be used by other applications? Like there is an overlay which won't let you click through?
[18:01] <escott> roasted_, ubuntu only
[18:01] <compdoc> mah454, maybe its your government blocking it
[18:01] <stefg> OvidiuZeicu: sudo rsync -av /media/damaged_drive/ /media/good_drive
[18:01] <OvidiuZeicu> Ok, I'll try this one. Thank you. :)
[18:01] <mtlife> stefg: and do they work good enough for basic desktop activities? reliefing/unburden the cpu?
[18:01] <ryankask> hi all. I've just tried booting 11.04 live cd and i get this: http://www2.ryankaskel.com/misc/images/screenshots/natty-startup.jpg How should I proceed?
[18:01] <cdbs> gaara: did you upgrade or fresh-install?
[18:01] <compdoc> mah454, whats the url youre opening?
[18:01] <gaara> cdbs, im guessing this is a common issue, unsolved though, because going thru the various forums did not help either
[18:01] <gaara> fresh install
[18:02] <roasted_> escott, sounds like its Ubuntu only just for now
[18:02] <gaara> cdbs, fresh install
[18:02] <scialen> guys, I'm having trouble installing from CD and DVD - I can not mount /dev/loop0 to //filesystem.squashfs due to an I/O error, can you help?
[18:02] <roasted_> cdbs, good deal man. I didn't know Fedora was tinkering with it.
[18:02] <Polah> Could anyone tell me how long the upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 will take?
[18:02] <burg> hello. after i installed gnome-shell in ubuntu 11.04 (for gnome 3), even if i login and select ubuntu classic (with gnome 2), i can`t change the theme for taskbars and click2 menu, but only for window borders
[18:02] <econdudeawesome> escott: So I am looking at -rgba option on fbset, and I see 8/16, 8/8, 8/0, 0,0 as the information
[18:02] <cdbs> roasted_: Debian folks were also interested, but they didn't start work (yet)
[18:02] <gaara> Polah, 20 minutes
[18:02] <gerrin> is there any way to kill output to built in laptop monitor and make the secondary screen output primary in terminal
[18:02] <cdbs> gaara: Does it work well from the LiveCD?
[18:02] <gaara> no
[18:02] <compdoc> Polah, took me about 45 mins when I upgraded to the beta a week ago
[18:02] <Polah> gaara: Alright, thanks.
[18:03] <gaara> cdbs, no, i had to install it using nomodeset
[18:03] <mnoyce> Why are most Apps opening maximised when I launch them?!?
[18:03] <Polah> compdoc: Thanks again, I just wanted a general timeframe. Obviously it won't be a specific time for everyone
[18:03] <cdbs> gaara: So does nomodeset work now?
[18:03] <escott> econdudeawesome, fbset may not be the right program but there is bound to be something similar. you could also check if plymouth is a script in which case it would call out to the background setting program. check the gentoo docs they had a period when everyone was configuring framebuffer backgrounds
[18:03] <mah454> compdoc in opera is true ... ! firefox have problem !
[18:03] <philsf> I don't have a pidgin indicator in the messaging menu anymore (in natty). How can I re-enable it?
[18:03] <stefg> mtlife: i don't know. to use unity you'll need the nouveau driver (which is somewhat 3d capable). nv is fine for the classic desktop. But given that a entry level nvidia card is about 20$/Euros you should consider replacing your card if you really want unity
[18:03] <compdoc> mah454, try the refresh button
[18:04] <pindropper> cdbs: i changed servername to 127.0.0.1 from localhost, and reran the command to restart, same error!
[18:04] <roasted_> cdbs, when you say debian folks were interested, you're talking about just making unity possible on that platform, not the default, right?
[18:04] <gaara> cdbs, nomodeset works, but as you can quite understand, it loads into a lame gnome ui, without any graphics driver, with sick resolutions
[18:04] <yuskhanzab> why my downloading upgrade so slow? im just now streaming a video from 1 site, and its more faster then the upgrading ubuntu 11.04. anyone have the same?
[18:04] <raju> how can i use zeitgeist
[18:04] <cdbs> roasted_: yes, just available, not default (yet)
[18:04] <mtlife> stefg: thanks ill just try it out, otherwise i'll just keep running lxde :)
[18:04] <mah454> compdoc i use this ...
[18:04] <mah454> compdoc tnx :)
[18:04] <yuskhanzab> anyone have the same problem as me?
[18:04] <sam-_-> i can select only unity-2d not unity. what do i have to install to have unity in gdm?
[18:04] <roasted_> cdbs, do you think theyll default it? It sounds like most others were more interested in gnome shell as the default
[18:04] <mah454> compdoc I use Opera for this site ... :)
[18:04] <MrsHillBilly> Could anyone help me to get a driver for my wireless card please?
[18:04] <mknarr> pindropper,  have toy tried reinstalling apache?
[18:04] <roasted_> cdbs, from what I gathered, at least.
[18:05] <mustafa> Hi everyone, I am using Ubuntu 10.10. I have tried install Ubuntu 11.04 but I cannot run to install it. When I select "Install",  I get black screen. Do you have any idea how can I install Ubuntu 11.04?
[18:05] <cdbs> gaara: Try running sudo update-initramfs, then sudo update-grub2, then set nomodeset again, then reboot
[18:05] <rach0> MrsHillBilly,  what's your wireless card?
[18:05] <mnoyce> yuskhanzab: I guess the servers are getting overloaded a bit at the moment. Apt-get install is also slower than normal at the moment.
[18:05] <gaara> mustafa, i have the same issue, cdbs suggested something to me just now
[18:05] <pindropper> mknarr: i just installed it. it was working post install. then i configured site to a new location and all hell broke lose
[18:05] <conorhogan> is there a shortcut to change worskpaces in 10.10/11.04?
[18:06] <roasted_> conorhogan, yes
[18:06] <cdbs> roasted_: They don't have an aim like us. Their main aim is to ship all the desktops out there (Debian) or provide something which is and was very much popular as GNOME (Fedora)
[18:06] <roasted_> conorhogan, its like CTRL ALT arrow or something
[18:06] <MrsHillBilly> Its a Belkin 7D47EB
[18:06] <bashelina> smplayer should be default media player in ubuntu
[18:06] <yuskhanzab> owh, thx for the information mnoyce.
[18:06] <rach0> conorhogan, i think it was super+s
[18:06] <step21> awh ... wanted to dist-upgrade to release but apparently nothing to upgrade to yet ... mirrors take forevvvvvver
[18:06] <conorhogan> roasted_ perfect works thanks
[18:06] <mknarr> pindropper, hmmm did you modify the virtual site file to point to the new location ?
[18:06] <cdbs> !ot | roasted_
[18:06] <conorhogan> rach0 - what?
[18:06] <yuskhanzab> its seems like 3 days to upgrade to natty =.=
[18:06] <mknarr> i think its the vitural site file
[18:06] <cdbs> roasted_: better move this discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:06] <roasted_> cdbs, my apologies.
[18:07] <rach0> conorhogan, nvm
[18:07] <mnoyce> conorhogan: Super+S or Ctrl+Alt+Arrow
[18:07] <conorhogan> what is Super-S?
[18:07] <stefg> !natty
[18:07] <gaara> cdbs, its enough if i set nomodeset at the grub screen right? for now atleast
[18:07] <mnoyce> conorhogan: Windows Key + S
[18:07] <rach0> the 'windows' key on most pcs
[18:07] <conorhogan> ah ok, im on a mac
[18:07] <cdbs> gaara: yep, should be enough for now
[18:07] <pindropper> mknarr: yes i did. to /home/myname/public_html
[18:07] <phoenixsampras> ok , im upgrading, if something fails i want a refund!
[18:07] <mnoyce> conorhogan: Assuming your keyboard has Windows key, of course...
[18:07] <yuskhanzab> "super key" mean windows key in your keyboard
[18:08] <bios_> hi is there any way to disable the appearence of mounted harddrives on the desktop?
[18:08] <mnoyce> conorhogan: That would be a know then... ;-)
[18:08] <mknarr> pindropper, did u assign the proper premissions
[18:08] <mnoyce> conorhogan: Maybe the "Command" key?
[18:08] <gaara> cdbs, awright, thanks am gonna try it and get back to you if it doesnt work :) if it does, pleaase tell me how i can thank you :)
[18:08] <stefg> step21: get an alternate CD via torrent and use that as an upgrade source..... or even better: wait 6 weeks until the bugs are ironed out :-)
[18:08] <cdbs> gaara: Give it a try, I'm not sure about it
[18:08] <step21> stefg, I am on beta2 already, works well. just want to upgrade to release
[18:08] <mustafa> gaara, did you try something and what?
[18:08] <conorhogan> the right command key works for the windows key in windows - for ubuntu looks like ill have to use str-alt arrow - thanks
[18:08] <cdbs> gaara: but in either case, won't do any damage
[18:09] <MrsHillBilly> rach0 Its a Belkin 7D47EB
[18:09] <pindropper> mknarr: i dont think there was any permission change mentioned in the doc. so i dint have to do anything as such permission related. but i did check the permissions on the public_html file it has public access
[18:09] <cdbs> its safe to proceed
[18:09] <bios_> hi is there any way to disable the appearence of mounted harddrives on the desktop?
[18:09] <cdbs> mustafa: wait for a while, he'll test if a possible fix works
[18:09] <sam-_-> i can select only unity-2d not unity. what do i have to install to have unity in gdm?
[18:09] <mknarr> pinewhat was the error message again
[18:10] <ssav> Hi, I have an issue with ssh access. Ie. am not able to ssh as root to one of my server bcoz its denied in ssh conf. But on this server we have our client application running which is communicating the server through webservices. I want to enble root access ssh. we have option to send a payload script,which will not ask for authentication.can some one tell me how enble root ssh remotely?
[18:10] <pindropper> mknarr: it gives me an error. it says "/etc/init.d/apache2: 1: ServerName: not found"
[18:10] <stefg> step21. if you did your last update 2 days ago you should be on release level. Except unimportant timezone updates there wasn't much happening yesterday and today
[18:10] <step21> stefg, okay, then I am on release level. thanks for clearing that up
[18:10] <burg> hello. after i installed gnome-shell in ubuntu 11.04 (for gnome 3), even if i login and select ubuntu classic (with gnome 2), i can`t change the theme for taskbars and click2 menu, but only for window borders
[18:10] <pindropper> mknarr: i now did sudo pkill apache2 to force shut. how do i restart it. sudo apache2 start doesnt work
[18:10] <mknarr> pindropper, ok give me a sec to look at some of my files
[18:11] <pindropper> mknarr: cool. thanks
[18:11] <escott> ssav, ssh as root is not encouraged, you can always ssh as normal user then sudo and do whatever you want
[18:11] <conorhogan> is ubuntu one free?
[18:11] <mknarr> pindropper, to start the service again all you should have to do is   sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[18:11] <stefg> !ubuntuone
[18:11] <Joseph_> step21: the 11.04 installation disc seems much better than the 10. versions though so its worth downloading.
[18:11] <pindropper> mknarr: ok thanks
[18:12] <Killyou> WHOAAAA the download speed of the release upgrade is going so fast that my pc cant keep up with the enormous lightning speed
[18:12] <ssav> root access is denied and normal user login was allowed. but  password has been lost. any way to reset the password ?
[18:12] <step21> burg, this is likely due to gnome3/shell ... try removing it ^^
[18:12] <gogeta> probl couse unity is fail and we all are running other distros
[18:12] <conorhogan> stfg - thanks
[18:12] <lazlo> After my upgrade to 11.04 my panel is gone, how to fix?
[18:12] <Killyou> its like omg 24 kb/s wow!
[18:12] <step21> Joseph_, good to know, but at some other time
[18:12] <pindropper> mknarr: ack! wont start either now. same error.
[18:12] <stefg> Killyou: feel free to contribute and run your own mirror :-)
[18:12] <burg> step21, apt-get remove gnome3-shell didn`t fix the problem
[18:13] <DaveTheAve> lol fast eh? Waiting over an hour for all 208MB of eclipse to download so i can build my first android app!
[18:13] <rach0> Killyou, maybe you can try a torrent dl?
[18:13] <mknarr> pindropper, kk h/o a sec
[18:13] <step21> gogeta, then what are you doing here?
[18:13] <phoenixsampras> I feel disappointed on 11.04, how to DOWNGRADE to 10.10
[18:13] <OvidiuZeicu> Killyou: that`s you, my speed was about 2.8MB/s
[18:13] <Killyou> it says 9 hours remaining hehe
[18:13] <step21> burg, any other pkgs that the ppa installed?
[18:13] <pindropper> mknarr: sorry. waiting.
[18:13] <bios_> how to enable unitz 2d??
[18:13] <econdudeawesome> jrib: you mentioned entering "text" as an option in Grub--when do I do that? At startup or in a config file somewhere?
[18:13] <step21> burg, I heard installing from source worked better with gnome2/unity side by side
[18:13] <DaveTheAve> Yeah I gave up on downloading the CD and went torrent.
[18:13] <step21> burg, there is a guide on webupd8.org
[18:14] <stefg> phoenixsampras: restore the backup you made before upgrading
[18:14] <jrib> econdudeawesome: how did you invoke "setterm" earlier?
[18:14] <lazlo> After my upgrade to 11.04 my panel is gone, how to fix?
[18:14] <econdudeawesome> jrib: setterm -background black
[18:14] <jrib> econdudeawesome: "text" is something you would add to your grub line in grub either manually one time to test or in grub's configuration file
[18:14] <jrib> econdudeawesome: what shell do you use?
[18:14] <step21> lazlo, in unity?
[18:14] <ssav> is there any shell script to reset the passwd . If so I can send a payload and execute the script
[18:14] <lazlo> yes
[18:14] <jrib> ssav: why?
[18:14] <gogeta> phoenixsampras: well your better running something like kde these days gtk itsself  has gone downhill after gnome 2 however there is a remix of ubuntu out thats uses gnome 2 on 11.04
[18:15] <lazlo> step21: yes
[18:15] <escott> ssav, yank the drive, mount on another system, sudo/chroot/passwd
[18:15] <econdudeawesome> jrib: tty1
[18:15] <Salt> anyone else noticed a lack of nbr despite there being a link to it from the main site?
[18:15] <step21> lazlo, which panel? you know it looks different, right?
[18:15] <jrib> econdudeawesome: what shell? bash, etc
[18:15] <step21> and has less panel
[18:15] <step21> s
[18:15] <ssav> bash
[18:15] <hypetech> Salt: what's nbr
[18:15] <lazlo> step21: yes, i know, but there is no panel at all
[18:15] <Salt> hypetech, netbook remix
[18:15] <econdudeawesome> jrib: not sure. I believe bash. Whichever shell comes native to Ubuntu minimal/server. Not terminal/lxterminal/konsole or anything like that
[18:15] <Salt> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download has a link to it
[18:15] <Salt> releases does not have it
[18:15] <FloodBot3> Salt: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:15] <hypetech> Salt: ah
[18:15] <step21> lazlo, bout you can log into classic?
[18:16] <Salt> that was hardly a flood :p
[18:16] <econdudeawesome> jrib: probably bash since I edited PS1 in .bashrc and was able to see the changes made
[18:16] <ssav> Hi, I have an issue with ssh access. Ie. am not able to ssh as root to one of my server bcoz its denied in ssh conf. But on this server we have our client application running which is communicating the server through webservices. I want to enble root access ssh. we have option to send a payload script,which will not ask for authentication.can some one tell me how enble root ssh remotely? or...
[18:16] <hypetech> Salt: they said there is no more netbook version with this release
[18:16] <Pici> Salt: There is no NBR anymore.
[18:16] <ssav> ...any shell script to reset the passwd?
[18:16] <sanaki_> hi All :)
[18:16] <jrib> econdudeawesome: k
[18:16] <Salt> hypetech, ah thanks
[18:16] <ubuntu> 8==D :)
[18:16] <Salt> then it should be removed from the page ;)
[18:16] <econdudeawesome> jrib: I restarted and its black now. ALl I needed :-)
[18:16] <Pici> Salt: I've reported a bug with the link being on the alternate page already.
[18:16] <lazlo> step21: should be possible, but I'm automatically logged in, so can't get to the login screen
[18:16] <Salt> Pici, sweet
[18:16] <Salt> just woke up and figured i'd mention it
[18:16] <raju> need help with gnome-activity-terminal http://pastebin.com/P5c6v1EP
[18:16] <jrib> ssav: don't you have ssh access as some other user?
[18:16] <stefg> ssav: login as your user, get root by 'sudo su -'
[18:17] <Salt> especially since we planned on demoing it at lfnw this weekend alongside server and desktop
[18:17] <ssav> no lost the passwd
[18:17] <jdahm> I'm trying to modprobe mdadm, but it doesn't seem to be included on the liveCD (to install).  Is it included or do I have to get the actual installation cd?
[18:17] <mknarr> pindropper, under etc/apache2/sites-available/ default     did u edit that file to point to the new location (im still new to this as well )
[18:17] <jdahm> or use grml to preconfigure my drives?
[18:17] <elssha> I think i screwed up big time
[18:17] <mustafa> cdbs, any upfate?
[18:17] <ssav> server is in remote loaction..i dont have physical access
[18:17] <mustafa> cdbs, any update sorry?
[18:17] <Stameni> does someone know can evolution connect to my hotmail account and grab all my mail messages from the hotmail server ?
[18:17] <step21> lazlo, does alt+F2 do anything?
[18:17] <MarcusSt> any ideas what i could do about _one_ usb device disappearing ("usb x-y: USB disconnect") after suspend? doesn't seem to matter whether the driver module is loaded while suspending or not..
[18:17] <cdbs> mustafa: he hasn't come back yet
[18:18] <cdbs> raju: same problem here
[18:18] <lazlo> step21: nope
[18:18] <elssha> i just updated to 11.04; turned on desktop cube and now have no panel and no way to access terminal
[18:18] <elssha> >_<
[18:18] <sanaki_> I am trying to configure my reliance net connect on ubuntu 10.04 , using wvdial ! I did dmesg but unable to found my usbmodem in the list , please help .
[18:18] <elssha> alt+F2 will not work
[18:18] <cdbs> raju: Oh wait, its working now, wasn't working yesterday
[18:18] <rach0> pindropper, -> http://tinyurl.com/2htmms
[18:18] <pindropper> mknarr: i cp'd the file to /etc/..../sites-available/mysite. then disabled default and enabled mysite. in mysite i changed the dirs to the point to home/myname/public_html
[18:18] <escott> stefg, sudo -i is preferred
[18:18] <hypetech> ssav: if you have access to edit the /etc/ssh/sshd_config then change the PermitRootLogin parameter to Yes
[18:18] <raju> cdbs:  who can help us with this
[18:19] <Salt> elssha, try ctrl+alt+t
[18:19] <euthymos> hi guys I really love the new Ubuntu 'dock' but I would like to have it 1) at the bottom of the screen 2) never disappearing. I want a proper dock. How can I achieve this?
[18:19] <pindropper> mknarr: i pretty much followed  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  to the letter
[18:19] <elssha> nothing salt >_<
[18:19] <Stameni> does someone know can evolution connect to my hotmail account and grab all my mail messages from the hotmail server ?
[18:19] <stefg> ssav: so you lost all your login data, but want to remote-enable root access ? .... I think there would be much interest in a way to that ...
[18:19] <cdbs> raju: Try asking that in #zeitgeist
[18:19] <nijabo> euthymos, you can't move the launcher from what I can gather.
[18:19] <step21> lazlo, try ctrl+alt+F1
[18:19] <qchn> I can haz deface ur Wall. :3
[18:19] <escott> Stameni, see if hotmail support pop or imap
[18:19] <nijabo> euthymos, you can change the behavious using CCSM
[18:19] <TheNuts> Hey guys anyone else having problems connecting to gb.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[18:19] <nijabo> !ccsm
[18:19] <TheNuts> I think its down
[18:19] <Pici> qchn: This is a support channel. Please stay on topic.
[18:19] <Stameni> escott it does
[18:19] <ComradeH1z`> Haz deface, qchn you urchin?!
[18:20] <sanaki_> Stameni: Google it .
[18:20] <Pici> TheNuts: Its a release day, if you can't connect, try another mirror.
[18:20] <Pici> !google | sanaki_
[18:20] <ComradeH1z`> *nick ComradeHaz`
[18:20] <ComradeH1z`> \nick ComradeHaz`
[18:20] <ComradeH1z`> ffs xD
[18:20] <escott> Stameni, then figure out what their pop or imap server is and then fill those details into evo
[18:20] <qchn> ComradeH1z`: No, it's just a fake. We're streamin' this Channel on E-Wall. Just kidding. :P
[18:20] <Stameni> snaki_ that seems to be universal answer to all my question, why than ask it here anyway ?
[18:20] <sanaki_> lol :D
[18:20] <truepurple> upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04, is there any benefits other then what is listed here http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new ?
[18:20] <euthymos> nijabo: thanks
[18:20] <Salt> mmmm, 5Mbps download <3
[18:20] <ssav> but i know the root password,since ssh direct access is denied ,am not able to login
[18:20] <elssha> any other way to start terminal but alt+F2 or ctrl+alt+t ?
[18:21] <truepurple> Is it just this quick launch and workspace stuff only?
[18:21] <escott> ssav, if you know the root password you should be able to su
[18:21] <raju> cdbs:  how u had run that tell me the process
[18:21] <TerryBook> if we torrent the cd, will the upgrade tool automatically install from the cd?
[18:21] <hypetech> ssav: if you know the root password then why can't you login as your normal user and su root?
[18:21] <ror> what's the best way to report a bug? Got a repeat of bug #464064 but for 11.04 :(
[18:21] <cdbs> raju: I just started it normally
[18:21] <Stameni> escott, i did that, but i want now that evolution grab all the emails that are on the server to my hard disk
[18:21] <sanaki_> Stameni: You can easily find it there with step by step instructions so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:21] <elssha> atm i have no panels, no windo boarders apparently no way to access terminal >_<
[18:21] <cdbs> ror: Just comment on that bug that its affecting you on Natty
[18:21] <Stameni> escott, like tunderbird do
[18:21] <stefg> escott: there's a difference : sudo su - gets you root, with all consequences, sudo -s just gives you a root shell .... try 'gzip </dev/some_device >image.gz' ... won't work with sudo -i , but works after getting root with sudo su -
[18:21] <cdbs> ror: BTW, #ubuntu-bugs is a channel for bug questions
[18:22] <ror> thanks cdbs; A bit concerning it's still "new" after 2 years tho o.0
[18:22] <escott> ssav, if you cant su because your pam prevents it, and you cant get another login that will allow you to su you are hosed
[18:22] <sanaki_> Stameni: ya it saves your mail if you want to .
[18:22] <ssav> as i said server is in remote location, i have to access via ssh only.
[18:22] <Stameni> snaki, escott, thank you
[18:22] <raju> cdbs:  i even dont know abcd if this
[18:22] <HRT> hi, I installed Ubuntu 11.04 on my HP G62 laptop which has a VGA of ATI HD 5400, I activated the driver, but seems it's not already activated, please HELP!
[18:22] <raju> cdbs:  please tell me steps
[18:22] <Stameni> snaki_ , escott, thanks
[18:22] <cdbs> mustafa: I'm alsso waiting for gaara to come back, after that I'll know
[18:23] <cdbs> raju: I didn't get you. What do you want to do ?
[18:23] <hypetech> ssav: 1)SSH in as any user 2) type "su root" 3) type root password   <- this should work unless your system prevents you from su to root
[18:23] <cdbs> raju: Ask your question in #zeitgeist
[18:23] <SAM__> Hi can someone help me with setting up IPTables please?
[18:23] <llutz> stefg: "gzip </dev/some_device >image.gz"  works fine with "sudo -i" here
[18:23] <raju> cdbs k cool
[18:23] <cdbs> They'll help you with Activity Journal problems
[18:23] <rach0> HRT, could you be more specific?
[18:24] <sanaki_> I am trying to configure my reliance net connect on ubuntu 10.04 , using wvdial , i configured it using gnome-ppp did dmesg but unable to found my usbmodem in the list , please help . And when i give /dev/ttyUSB0 for modem detection its not able to detect too !
[18:24] <Stameni> sanaki_ , escott, thanks ( i allways spell it wrong )
[18:24] <TerryBook> will the distribution upgrade tool automatically install from the cd if I have it in the drive?
[18:24] <ssav> other than root onely one user is created, that user passwd we lost..thats the problem
[18:24] <SAM__> Hi can someone help me with setting up IPTables please I have tried but I keep ending up locking myself out of my server lol
[18:24] <stefg> llutz: does it? on debian it won't
[18:24] <step21> elssha, you can't boot into classic or into rescue mode?
[18:24] <poop_monster> Hey guys, my video driver is activated but I can't start Unity. Is there any way to fix this? Thanks for the help!
[18:24] <truepurple> Upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04, is there any benefits other then what is listed here http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new ? Is it just this quick launch and workspace stuff only?
[18:25] <llutz> step21: debian sid + ubuntu 10.10, both
[18:25] <ssav> no physical access.... but i can send some payloads scripts..
[18:25] <escott> stefg, gzip </dev/sda4 > foo.gz works fine for me in sudo -i
[18:25] <step21> llutz, I have no idea what you mean ...
[18:25] <cordoval_> I was upgrading to natty and my computer shut down because i unplugged it
[18:25] <HRT> rach0: when I activated the FGLRX, it downloads the drivers, installs it, then it requires to reboot the system, I reboot, but the driver seems not activated, as no single effect runs properly, though, in "Hardware Drivers" says the drivers is activated and currently in use
[18:25] <cordoval_> now it is waiting for disk to be present or manual recovery
[18:25] <jake_> can some one helpme out my computer keeps on locking up and its always when ports 35000 to 55000 are active
[18:25] <llutz> stefg:  debian sid + ubuntu 10.10, both
[18:26] <cordoval_> what do I do?
[18:26] <ScreenIssue> Just installed 11.04. I no longer have a backlight. Is there a solution?
[18:26] <llutz> step21: sry wasnt for you
[18:26] <cordoval_> hit m for manual recovery
[18:26] <escott> stefg, there are differences in things like environment variables for sure
[18:26] <jrib> ssav: reset the user's password
[18:26] <sanaki_> Stameni:Merci.
[18:26] <ssav> so I need a script to reset the passwd ,,, over network i can execute .
[18:26] <poop_monster> HRT: I'm running into the exact same issue, but with an Nvidia driver
[18:26] <mtlife> hey I see that nvidia-96 is in the repository for 11.04, does it allow compiz?
[18:26] <step21> ssav, there is no such thing, it is called security
[18:26] <NfNitLoop> What's the differenc3e between maverick and maverick-updates?   I already get updates from maverick... curious why there's a separate repo for maverick-updates.
[18:26] <econdudeawesome> WHat package is it that has GDM go to a login screen?
[18:26] <cordoval_> any ideas on how to manual recover a failed install because of power failure
[18:27] <cordoval_> how to fix it please help
[18:27] <elssha> atm i have no panels, no windo boarders apparently no way to access terminal >_< anyone?
[18:27] <cordoval_> my computer powered down and it was installin natty
[18:27] <cordoval_> what do I do?
[18:27] <Spkes> damn that fucking unity, at this point i could just stick with server version without anything else but terminal
[18:27] <cordoval_> rats!
[18:27] <escott> cordoval_, have you run fsck on the drives?
[18:27] <hypetech> ssav: what level of access does your payload script run at?
[18:27] <rach0> HRT, i suggest you remove the fgrlx stuff and go with the open source. i think the binaries are still quite buggy with natty. also there is no problems with the effects using the open source one. i'm with a HD 5500
[18:27] <step21> elssha, did you answer my question from before?
[18:27] <cordoval_> no
[18:27] <elssha> what Q?
[18:27] <cordoval_> escott: what the command
[18:27] <stefg> cordoval_: why can't you just start over?
[18:27] <cordoval_> how to start over?
[18:28] <cordoval_> I was doing upgrade
[18:28] <IdleOne> !language | Spkes
[18:28] <step21> cordoval_, reinstall from cd
[18:28] <TerryBook> if I have a natty cd in the drive, will the distribution upgrade tool automatically use it to install the upgrade or is there a procedure I need to follow?
[18:28] <ssav> i have only one way to access ,through our application which currently running and have an option to send a payload and excute without login to the server. so i need your help here...pls ..
[18:28] <SAM__> Hi can someone help me with setting up IPTables please I have tried but I keep ending up locking myself out of my server lol
[18:28] <cordoval_> I was upgrading, have some data
[18:28] <HRT> rach0: please can you give me abbreviated steps? I'm noob :(
[18:28] <jake_> can some one helpme out my computer keeps on locking up and its always when ports 35000 to 55000 are active
[18:28] <cordoval_> what is the command escott, you seem to help a lot
[18:28] <escott> cordoval_, in livecd fsck the drives, you could try and get into a chroot environment and resume the upgrade (assuming its non-bootable and there is no corruption
[18:28] <elssha> step21; what Q?
[18:28] <econdudeawesome> Spkes: I share the sentiment. Unity is a step backwards, as is Gnome3
[18:28] <Spkes> ubottu, IdleOne sorry, i'll watch it
[18:28] <IdleOne> Spkes: thank you.
[18:28] <escott> cordoval_, but it may be easier to just reinstall
[18:28] <stefg> cordoval_: Ahh.... bad timing for a power outage... dpkg --configure -a
[18:29] <cordoval_> dpkg configure -a?
[18:29] <step21> ssav, I don't know your application ... you could try scripting passwd, but that only works if you know the password, remotely there is no other way afaik
[18:29] <Stava> how do i upgrade to ubuntu 11.04 from 10.10?
[18:29] <step21> elssha, if you can boot classic or in rescue mode
[18:29] <SAM__> Hi can someone help me with setting up IPTables please I have tried but I keep ending up locking myself out of my server lol
[18:29] <Spkes> econdudeawesome, i just don't get what guys from canonical were thinking. maybe later in like version 2-3 Unity would be good, but until then i'll probabaly stick with Gnome 2
[18:29] <ssav> if u give me the script ,,,,i can execute over netowork
[18:29] <IdleOne> Stava: System > Administration > Update Manager
[18:29] <stefg> cordoval_: i think you should save your files from the hosed upgrade and do a fresh install...
[18:29] <davve123> hiya, when i try to install subversion with apt-get i get stuck at Waiting for headers. HEPL
[18:30] <HyperShock> Stava: your update_manager under system->administration can help you with that
[18:30] <cordoval_> dpkg configure -a  error need an action option
[18:30] <jake_> well its nice to see the spam bots have dissapeared
[18:30] <TerryBook> how do I do a distribution upgrade using a cd?
[18:30] <Stava> HyperShock, why wont just apt-get dist-upgrade do it? :o
[18:30] <Fodi69> hi, when I have a window at "fullscreen" (in unity), why the close, minimize button not clickable, when I'm hitting the top of the screen?
[18:30] <elssha> step21; you mean recovery?
[18:30] <IdleOne> TerryBook: you need to use the !alternate cd
[18:30] <truepurple> upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04, is there any benefits other then what is listed here http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new ?
[18:30] <jrib> ssav: look into chpasswd
[18:30] <IdleOne> !alternate | TerryBook
[18:30] <HRT> rach0: ...
[18:30] <jake_> can some one helpme out my computer keeps on locking up and its always when ports 35000 to 55000 are active
[18:30] <cdbs> truepurple: yes, almost all applications have been updated
[18:30] <cdbs> truepurple: its much faster as well
[18:30] <escott> cordoval_, before doing a bunch of dpkg stuff run fsck /dev/sda? on your partitions from the livecd
[18:30] <HyperShock> Stava: no clue, just a user like you, different software. how come you don't want to use the gui?
[18:31] <TerryBook> ok, so I grabbed the wrong torrent, then
[18:31] <bill_> anyone else getting a very slow download speed while upgrading?
[18:31] <harpal> escott: ok,
[18:31] <step21> elssha, yes
[18:31] <harpal> escott: thanks a lot, it worked
[18:31] <truepurple> cdbs Ok thanks, where do I find this out though? Where did you find this out?
[18:31] <Fodi69> bill_: yeah just wait :D
[18:31] <IdleOne> TerryBook: happens :) keep the Live CD torrent also, always good to have as a backup.
[18:31] <cdbs> truepurple: I'm using it :)
[18:31] <TerryBook> true :)
[18:31] <elssha> step21; i can try, but then i won't be on here.... what do i do once i'm there?
[18:31] <escott> cordoval_, then decide... is it a better use of your time to backup data and reinstall from scratch, or try to continue an upgrade of a potentially hosed system
[18:31] <cordoval_> escott: I don't have a livecd
[18:31] <MC8> Howdy, is the Update Manager normally this borked on Ubuntu updates?
[18:31] <jan_> hi guys, I've just upgraded from ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 and have a problem with multicast
[18:31] <HyperShock> bill_: that is a no brainer friend, it just went hot in the past 24 hours. Everyone is trying to download it. waiting till the 5th of May would be better dl speed wise.
[18:31] <cordoval_> rats!
[18:31] <elssha> i can boot recovery, not sure what classic is
[18:31] <escott> cordoval_, how far can you get in the boot? can you get to command line?
[18:32] <cdbs> mustafa: Gaara not back yet :( Well, you can give it a try. What's the exact problem you're facing?
[18:32] <Fodi69> I have a window at "fullscreen" (in unity), why the close, minimize button not clickable, when I'm hitting the top of the screen with the mouse?
[18:32] <cordoval_> I can backup data then but could I just plugin an external usb and fetch it?
[18:32] <step21> ssav, I don't think with your knowledge what you want will work
[18:32] <SAM__> Can someone help me with IPTables please and setting up for some protection against DDoS
[18:32] <cordoval_> It gives me the option to go to older kernels
[18:32] <jake_> do i have to call an indian help ctr?
[18:32] <cordoval_> perhaps I can go into one of them and try reinstalling?
[18:32] <jan_> could someone help? It seems that ufw is denying igmpt packets
[18:32] <step21> elssha, so you can't choose to login to classic in gdm?
[18:32] <cordoval_> this is an asus g73
[18:32] <gaara> cdbs, it dint work
[18:33] <bill_> bummer :P they should make the updater a torrent client and let everyone who's downloading also share the files! dunno how hard that would be to do but I think it would probably be good!
[18:33] <cordoval_> I will go to kernel 27
[18:33] <gaara> cdbs, :(
[18:33] <cdbs> gaara: Same problem? :(
[18:33] <cordoval_> i think 28 is natty
[18:33] <IdleOne> !patience > jake_
[18:33] <cordoval_> rats it can't mount /
[18:33] <step21> elssha, if you are on that pc now, what are you running if nothing works?
[18:33] <cordoval_> rats!
[18:33] <cordoval_> and cats! /
[18:33] <FloodBot3> cordoval_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:33] <HyperShock> !iptables | SAM__
[18:33] <cdbs> gaara: So how did you set nomodeset on livecd?
[18:33] <cordoval_> press s to skip mounting
[18:33] <cordoval_> press M for manual recovery
[18:33] <Fodi69> can I configure somehow the close/minimize/maximize buttons BUT WHEN AT FULLSCREEN?
[18:33] <cordoval_> when I press M
[18:33] <escott> cordoval_, better press M
[18:33] <cordoval_> I get the console
[18:33] <escott> cordoval_, or get a livecd
[18:33] <cordoval_> but now what
[18:33] <n2diy>  Is there a way to display hard drive activity on my desktop or panel?
[18:33] <cordoval_> I am on the console
[18:34] <gaara> cdbs, i waited for sooo long to get natty, and now it acts up like this, i set it on livecd by pressing f6, and then selected the nomodeset option
[18:34] <misha_> getting my messages?
[18:34] <escott> cordoval_, thats a busybox terminal
[18:34] <cordoval_> what do I do now?
[18:34] <elssha> step21; basically the programs that open at startup work; email, chat, i turned on FF via a link in an e-mail
[18:34] <jake_> can some one helpme out my computer keeps on locking up and its always when ports 35000 to 55000 are active
[18:34] <cordoval_> busybox terminal ok
[18:34] <escott> cordoval_, you need to fsck /dev/sda?
[18:34] <jake_> can some one helpme out my computer keeps on locking up and its always when ports 35000 to 55000 are active
[18:34] <SAM__> HyperShock I use CSF is there any documentation or guides using it?
[18:34] <step21> cordoval_, someone told you before what to put into the console to try a recovery, otherwise start the install again
[18:34] <elssha> i can do the shift+ctrl+F2 thing
[18:34] <Craigen> I need some quick help here :) I just updated to 11.04, but when i login i can move for a few secs then everything just freezes. Any ideas? :)
[18:34] <cdbs> gaara: hmm
[18:35] <step21> elssha, but no terminal or alt-F2 and I guess you have auto-login?
[18:35] <jake_> can some one helpme out my computer keeps on locking up and its always when ports 35000 to 55000 are active
[18:35] <jan_> Anyone has problems with allowing IGMP packets in Natty?
[18:35] <cordoval_> device or resource busy while tryng to open dev/sda
[18:35] <gaara> cdbs, its impossible that im the only one having this problem
[18:35] <cordoval_> filesystem mounter or opened exclusively by another program?
[18:35] <cdbs> gaara: too bad, well, did gnome-panel session come up or did unity come up after setting nomodeset?
[18:35] <ThomasUK> this 11.04 is going down a treat it seems /sarcasm
[18:35] <MichealH> Silly Question.... How do I hide the Unity Launcher
[18:35] <gaara> cdbs, gnome
[18:35] <cordoval_> what other command I can try to restore it?
[18:35] <MichealH> cdbs: How do I hade the Unity Launcher?
[18:35] <cdbs> MichealH: It doesn't do that itself?
[18:35] <escott> cordoval_, yeah a corrupt / is going to be a problem... get an install cd
[18:35] <stefg> jake_ : might be related to ipv6
[18:35] <mustafa> cdbs, when I select Install, I get black screen.
[18:35] <MichealH> cdbs: Nope
[18:35] <usr13> jubei_: Still here?
[18:35] <Fodi69> can I configure somehow the close/minimize/maximize buttons BUT WHEN AT FULLSCREEN?
[18:35] <sebsebseb> hi ThomasUK
[18:36] <elssha> no, i log in normally (log in screen; enter user then pass) step21... that part is fine. alt+F2 does nothing
[18:36] <usr13> jubei_: ... just got back from lunch
[18:36] <step21> MichealH, normally it autohides
[18:36] <stefg> !ipv6 | jake_
[18:36] <cdbs> MichealH: Install ccsm, type about:config in Alt+F2, set option there
[18:36] <ThomasUK> hi sebsebseb
[18:36] <gaara> cdavis, does it make a difference that i already have a 10.10 installation on a different drive?
[18:36] <cordoval_> can it be any install disk eg ubuntu 10.10?
[18:36] <mustafa> cdbs, I do not open liveCD even
[18:36] <sebsebseb> ThomasUK: just got back to the computer, but I think quite a few people are going to other distro's,  because of 11.04, Unity being a main reason, to be honest
[18:36] <escott> cordoval_, and it would be /dev/sda# for whatever your root partition is
[18:36] <gaara> cdbs, does it make a difference that i already have a 10.10 installation on a different drive?
[18:36] <step21> elssha, then log into classic and try to fix things from there
[18:36] <cdbs> gaara: shouldn't make a difference
[18:36] <ThomasUK> yeah 11.04 sucks
[18:36] <elssha> step21; what's classic?
[18:36] <Fodi69> maybe opensuse
[18:36] <sebsebseb> ThomasUK: oh you tried it already then?
[18:36] <Fodi69> will work :D
[18:36] <usr13> ThomasUK: Whatsammatter?
[18:36] <liquidguide> Does anyone know on natty in unity how to get applets on the top bar.  Specifically a stock applet or even a standalone program.
[18:36] <ThomasUK> sebsebseb: when I get asked to put it on our PXE system I'm going to say.. no :)
[18:37] <cdbs> gaara: And is the problem with nomodeset set is the same as it came while installing?
[18:37] <ThomasUK> we tried it in the DC
[18:37] <rach0> ThomasUK, no it doesn't it just has bugs as expected, mainly with Unity
[18:37] <Fodi69> can I configure somehow the close/minimize/maximize buttons BUT WHEN AT FULLSCREEN?
[18:37] <stefg> !pm | jake_
[18:37] <sebsebseb> ThomasUK: PXE system ?
[18:37] <ThomasUK> sebsebseb: automatic deployment of OS's on servers
[18:37] <sfdsafdsafdsa> i want my old gnome back how can i get it?
[18:37] <IdleOne> ThomasB2k: sebsebseb Please take the chat to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[18:37] <cordoval_> escott: oh so I should have trieddev/sda1
[18:37] <step21> elssha, where you log in, at the  bottom there is a bar where you can choose to log into an environment that is more like the old version, it should work
[18:37] <usr13> ThomasUK: In the District of Columbia?
[18:37] <cordoval_> hmm
[18:37] <stefg> jake_: read ubottu's factoid
[18:37] <IdleOne> err ThomasUK I meant
[18:37] <cordoval_> rats!
[18:37] <cordoval_> it is doing something
[18:37] <cordoval_> oh no
[18:37] <gaara> cdbs, it is behaving the same way as it behaved during installation also
[18:37] <cordoval_> wrong
[18:37] <cordoval_> I better get that cd
[18:37] <FloodBot3> cordoval_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:37] <sebsebseb> ThomasUK: right yeah, better to stay with 10.04 for the servers, since that's Long Term Support
[18:37] <tsuna2> Hi I am using 10.04 and was wondering when would be the best time to update to 11.04
[18:37] <rach0> sfdsafdsafdsa, in the gdm menu select ubuntu classic
[18:37] <sfdsafdsafdsa> how can i install back to old gnome?
[18:37] <ror> "could not download the release notes" < is that ubuntu being overloaded or is my conn being funny?
[18:37] <escott> cordoval_, yep.
[18:38] <cdbs> gaara: then I don't think a lot can be dome
[18:38] <jiltdil> how 11.04 is working guys i am thinking to install it or i should wait for few days more?
[18:38] <Fodi69> can I configure somehow the close/minimize/maximize buttons BUT WHEN AT FULLSCREEN?
[18:38] <jake_> thanx ill take alook at that
[18:38] <cdbs> sfdsafdsafdsa: Select 'ubuntu classic desktop' session at login
[18:38] <liquidguide> sfdsafdsafdsa, you can pick classic gnome on login at the bottom
[18:38] <ElNino> hey i have installed ubuntu 11.04 and decided i wanted to try out unity.. its fine and all, but im wondering if there is a was to keep compiz enabled, but yet not have it change the windows?
[18:38] <cordoval_> ok I will try 10.10 livecd and I guess I choose to try ubuntu there or what?
[18:38] <elssha> step21; ty, i'll try
[18:38] <elssha> gotta restart
[18:38] <sebsebseb> ThomasUK: 10.04 server edition to be exact,  since with the desktop you would only get the three years support, instead of the five
[18:38] <sfdsafdsafdsa> ok
[18:38] <sfdsafdsafdsa> login out
[18:38] <stefg> jiltdil: I#d wait 6 weeks and do a net-intsall
[18:38] <escott> cordoval_, yeah thats fine to fix the disk
[18:38] <laumonier> i've got a pretty old dual core which works on i386 in 32bits for now  is it advise to try the 64bits or not????what is the edge of 64 bits?
[18:38] <Fodi69> can I configure somehow the close/minimize/maximize buttons BUT WHEN AT FULLSCREEN?
[18:38] <ThomasUK> sebsebseb: yeah i know
[18:38] <cordoval_> ok going for it
[18:38] <sebsebseb> ThomasUK: or you could go Debian or CentOS or something :D
[18:38] <gaara> cdbs, do u work for canonical? or u just a fan like me?
[18:38] <ThomasUK> lol
[18:38] <cdbs> gaara: I am both
[18:38] <stefg> laumonier: how much ram?
[18:39] <jiltdil> stefg:is there any cause
[18:39] <MichealH> cdbs: No package called ccsm :/
[18:39] <tsuna2> does anyone know if skype works right away on 11.04
[18:39] <ror> Also, does anyone know if it's possible to upgrade from 32bit to 64bit? I'd like to do it without nuking /home if possible
[18:39] <gaara> cdbs, canonical Uk?
[18:39] <Fodi69> can I configure somehow the close/minimize/maximize buttons BUT WHEN AT FULLSCREEN?
[18:39] <escott> laumonier, grep lm /proc/cpuinfo to see if you have 64bit
[18:39] <escott> ror, no its not
[18:39] <gaara> ror, no its not possible
[18:39] <step21> MichealH, it is called something like compiz-config-settings-manager
[18:39] <ror> thanks :(
[18:39] <cdbs> gaara: pm
[18:39] <mustafa> cdbs, ?
[18:39] <laumonier> stefg one giga
[18:39] <gaara> ror, im stuck with the same problem
[18:39] <ElNino> step21: yup
[18:39] <cdbs> MichealH: compizconfig-settings-manager
[18:40] <stefg> jiltdil: ubuntu has never been good at getting releases ready ..... they release at the given date, not when it's /really/ fit for a relaese
[18:40] <cordoval_> what is ror?
[18:40] <step21> Fodi69, not afaik
[18:40] <ElNino> cdbs do you know how i can have normal windows in unity?
[18:40] <IdleOne> sebsebseb: provide support or part the channel. telling people about your personal opinion on Unity is off topic for this channel. If you want to chat you already know about #ubuntu-offtopic. Suggesting people use other distros is also not acceptable for #ubuntu.
[18:40] <mustafa> gaara, did it work?
[18:40] <cdbs> mustafa: I don't think a lot can be done
[18:40] <cordoval_> and also would it matter if it is a 64 machine and it is a 32 bit live cd?
[18:40] <escott> cordoval_, who is ror?
[18:40] <cdbs> mustafa: Which GPU?
[18:40] <cordoval_> escott:
[18:40] <gaara> mustafa, nope :(
[18:40] <MichealH> cdbs: You had to change package names -.-
[18:40] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: hmm ok
[18:40] <stefg> laumonier: stick with 32 bit. your rm is precious, and adobe flash is tricky in 64 bit
[18:40] <cdbs> ElNino: Normal Windows? Select Ubuntu Classic session at login
[18:40] <escott> cordoval_, you can still boot and run the fsck.
[18:40] <mustafa> cdbs, ATI Mobility 3650.
[18:40] <IdleOne> sebsebseb: thank you,
[18:40] <Fodi69> step21: but why, this ultimately sucks and no config for it?
[18:40] <jiltdil> stefg:ok thanks if you don't mind may you tell what kind or problem will i face if i installed it yet?
[18:40] <cdbs> mustafa: weird then. When you click 'Try Ubuntu' what comes?
[18:40] <Fodi69> can I configure somehow the close/minimize/maximize buttons BUT WHEN AT FULLSCREEN?
[18:40] <ElNino> cdbs ubuntu classic will be unity too?
[18:41] <stefg> laumonier: 64bit only makes sense on servers and with >4G ram
[18:41] <mustafa> cdbs, black screen only
[18:41] <Fodi69> stefg: >3G ram
[18:41] <laumonier> stefg ty for your help
[18:41] <cordoval_> ok it is bootting
[18:41] <Z1nn0c> I have trouble installing the newest version of Ubuntu Linux. Help with PM.
[18:41] <step21> Fodi69, prob because that's how it makes sense ... in classic you can still configure them
[18:41] <escott> cordoval_, step 1 is going to be fsck. step 2 is to decide between (a) backing up data, downloading disk and reinstalling or (b) trying to boot and resuming the install from console. i would suggest (a)
[18:41] <cordoval_> I guess I should choose the option to try ubuntu
[18:41] <gogeta> 64bit makes sense with anything more then 3gb
[18:41] <jiltdil> stefg: also i have 4gb of ram and 64bit supporting hardware shoul di go for 64bit
[18:41] <gogeta> blame flash for being crashy
[18:41] <step21> Fodi69, also, don't spam
[18:41] <Combatjuan> Oh.  Natty was officially released.  /That's/ why it's so busy in here.
[18:42] <ElNino> cdbs: well in unity the top of the window turns orange and transparant instead of dark grey like normal
[18:42] <escott> jiltdil, its not just about ram, there are also more registers and sse extensions in 64bit
[18:42] <cordoval_> how to go for b
[18:42] <gaara> mustafa, what about for you?
[18:42] <cordoval_> sounds easier
[18:42] <Fodi69> step21: yeah, but this way it is UNUSABLE......
[18:42] <escott> cordoval_, ask about (b) AFTER you do the fsck please
[18:42] <cdbs> ElNino: screenshot please, I can't understand
[18:42] <cordoval_> ok
[18:42] <mustafa> I have not tried something yet.
[18:42] <ElNino> cdbs: 2 sec
[18:42] <gogeta> Fodi69: unity is fail but shhh
[18:42] <cordoval_> I will do fsck /dev/sda1
[18:42] <mustafa> gaara, I have not tried something yet.
[18:42] <cordoval_> I got the default
[18:42] <jiltdil> escott:please tell me
[18:42] <escott> cordoval_, and (b) is substantially harder and may not result in a working system
[18:43] <cordoval_> rats
[18:43] <ray_> How's Ubuntu 10.04?
[18:43] <cordoval_> 11
[18:43] <Fodi69> gogeta: then why forcing it? :(
[18:43] <Witchsong_> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zfjsZBC3Ajk/TbfO95Lv25I/AAAAAAAAB-o/8qQlSBeoAVY/s1600/Screenshot.png <-- How can I sort the sidepane elements into groups like that?
[18:43] <ray_> I meant that
[18:43] <ray_> sorry
[18:43] <step21> Fodi69, I find it quite usable. like I said if you want the old one back choose classic at login
[18:43] <Z1nn0c> Ubuntu 11.04 freeze for me. :(
[18:43] <gogeta> Fodi69: couse cannel cant let go of gtk
[18:43] <Hedgehog456> What's wrong with Unity?
[18:43] <gaara> mustafa, do u have an intel gfx card?
[18:43] <mustafa> gaara, no ATI.
[18:43] <rach0> ray_, ubuntu 10.04 is tip top, while ubuntu 11.04 ain't yet
[18:43] <jiltdil> is unity better than gnome?
[18:43] <Dr_Willis|2> Hedgehog456:  its differnt then what people are used to.
[18:43] <escott> jiltdil, the wikipedia page on AMD64 is pretty informative. most developers are going 64bit, but some software (adobe flash) works a little better in 32bit
[18:43] <stefg> jiltdil: that's my belly speaking, i have no particular reason to advise that. Regarding the 32 vs. 64 bit question: if you do lots of number crunching (video encoding) 64 bits might pay off, but for a standard desktop system 32-bit with pae will be more convinient
[18:43] <Dr_Willis|2> jiltdil:  try it out. decide for yourself.
[18:44] <step21> jiltdil, depends on personal preference
[18:44] <gogeta> jiltdil: no but gnome 3 is fail to sooo
[18:44] <zephyr> I guess Unity is more user-friendly...
[18:44] <Witchsong_> I like Unity a lot, but I am not used to it yet.
[18:44] <Fodi69> step21: this layout is kind of nice, but fucking buggy and unusable :(
[18:44] <sebsebseb> jibel: Unity at the moment goes on top of Gnome 2, another interface for it, but for the next one, it will go on top of Gnome 3 instead of using their interface by default Gnome Shell
[18:44] <cordoval_> escott: now I open a terminal on the ubuntu 32 and type fsck /dev/sda# so the # is not going to be 1
[18:44] <Dr_Willis|2> 64bits gives me a decent improvement in the video reencoding I do.
[18:44] <jiltdil> thanks to all
[18:44] <cordoval_> is going to be something else I hope it can at least mount it
[18:44] <escott> yes and do it for all your partitions
[18:44] <IdleOne> Fodi69: Please mind your language.
[18:44] <ray_> I think I should wait first
[18:44] <cordoval_> rats!
[18:44] <cordoval_> oh ok
[18:44] <cordoval_> thanks escott!
[18:44] <escott> cordoval_, you may need to sudo
[18:44] <ElNino> cdbs: http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/jm9z71n5/Selection_001.png <-- this is what i want gone
[18:44] <D-coy> o/
[18:45] <cordoval_> yes will do
[18:45] <HyperShock> n2diy: did you get your answer yet?
[18:45]  * cdbs looks
[18:45] <step21> Fodi69, taste varies I guess. anything specific that you don't like (not that I can do anything about it)
[18:45] <gogeta> Fodi69: its been buggy and unstable sense the day they launched it in 10.10
[18:45] <Guest20267> ElNino: why? it is lovely!
[18:45] <cdbs> ElNino: which theme are you using?
[18:45] <Hedgehog456> IdleOne: There's a ubottu command for that, just so you don't have to type as much ^_^: !wtf
[18:45] <dpac> Can anyone give me ftp address to download ubuntu iso?
in your opinion which is better gnom3 or unity
[18:45] <ElNino> cdbs: default
[18:45] <escott> cordoval_, you may want it to automatically fix any errors it finds in which case fsck -p
[18:45] <Chuck_> hey, I just upgraded to 11.04, messed around with my nvidia graphics settings and now cannot get into my box!
[18:45] <ElNino> Guest20267: no its awefull
[18:45] <Chuck_> can anyone assist?
[18:45] <IdleOne> Hedgehog456: yup I know but sometimes ubottu is a little too impersonal. :)
[18:45] <mtlife> upgrade is so slow... 50kb/s ;/
[18:45] <cdbs> ElNino: Try running unity --reset from Alt+f2, if that doesn't fix it then re-check theme settings and make sure its ambiance
[18:45] <g4> is 11.04 a LTS release?
[18:46] <gogeta> step21: better they fork gnome 2 call it there own
[18:46] <vish> !best | jiltdil
[18:46] <IdleOne> g4: no
[18:46] <cordoval_> escott: so the command I should run is fsck -p /dev/sda#?
[18:46] <loseweighttttttt> i keep getting message 'tempory failiure in name resolution'
[18:46] <gogeta> step21: rather then trainwreck the distro with unity
[18:46] <cordoval_> for each partition
[18:46] <tripelb> Yes, a year ago when I asked to understand about partitions. I only found FUD. I really really like this, just found it... http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_03_01.html  in general overview of the linux system: 3.1.2.2. Partition layout and types
[18:46] <Fodi69> when I go to fullscreen, the minimize/maximize/close buttons can't be reached by a fast mouse move, must play with it....
[18:46] <cordoval_> escott: so the command I should run is fsck -p /dev/sda#? for each partition
[18:46] <HyperShock> mtlife: do the math, if 11.04 went hot today, and everyone is downloading it, say 100,000+ people, how sucky do you think the bandwidth will be?
[18:46] <Witchsong_> In what folders does the Dash search for files?
[18:46] <stefg> loseweighttttttt: servers overloaded
[18:46] <escott> cordoval_, good practice to see your errors first before you start correcting them, but yes
[18:46] <step21> gogeta, this is support and I'm not really hre to get into that argument
[18:46] <Eduard> Guys, how do i install gnome3 in 10.10?
[18:46] <sebsebseb> !lts | g4
[18:46] <n2diy> HyperShock, no
[18:47] <step21> Eduard, ppa or compile, google is your friend
[18:47] <giraffro> Heh, I've upgraded to 11.04 but I can't get the Super / Win key working on Compiz. It just shows up as Multi_key. I've tried changing the keyboard options for Win key behaviour but to no avail, but binding Caps Lock with Super does work. Any help? I'm using a Logitech MK520 keyboard.
[18:47] <cordoval_> rats livecd is slow in loading
[18:47] <mtlife> HyperShock: I made the math ;)... i upgraded my other distro before it went live (beta2) and it was ALOT faster haha... should have upgraded my main also ;/
[18:47] <escott> cordoval_, that way you know that if it reports lots of errors on /usr/lib/libglib or some such that your libglib is hosed
[18:47] <cordoval_> wonder why this is an asus g73
[18:47] <sebsebseb> escott: there's a ppa :)
[18:47] <sebsebseb> escott: i'll get a link hold on
[18:47] <escott> sebsebseb, for what?
[18:47] <Eduard> step21: tried googling it already, i only get results pointing to test ppa. Gnome3 was already released, i need to find a stable one
[18:47] <Hedgehog456> !hoary
[18:47] <ElNino> cdbs: youre a hero :)
[18:48] <sebsebseb> escott: oh wrong person
[18:48] <HyperShock> n2diy: were you asking in regards to gnome?
[18:48] <mustafa> gaara, cdbs, no solution?
[18:48] <sebsebseb> Eduard: there's a Gnome 3 ppa, i'll get al ink
[18:48] <Hedgehog456> !eol > Hedgehog456
[18:48] <cdbs> ElNino: gaara  mustafa Okay, I gotta go, bye
[18:48] <vish> ElNino: cdbs is also the poster child for Ubuntu ;)
[18:48] <gaara> cdbs, thanks
[18:48] <ElNino> ah dang cdbs it worked then falled back
[18:48] <Eduard> sebsebseb: ok, thanks
[18:48] <gaara> mustafa, am gonna try downloading the dvd and seeing if it works
[18:48] <rach0> Eduard, there is a gnome 3 ppa for ubuntu but it's far from stable, use it at your own risk
[18:48] <step21> Edgan, I don't think there is a stable one. webupd8.org has links to ppa and to compile, apparently compiling works better with a running system
[18:49] <cordoval_> just got livecd working
[18:49] <mustafa> ok
[18:49] <joepa> anyone know how to enable visual effect in Natty? that option is missing from System->Appearance
[18:49] <escott> Eduard, have heard from some that it breaks unity
[18:49] <cordoval_> I knew i had not bought an asus g73 for nothing
[18:49] <mustafa> gaara, ok
[18:49] <HyperShock> n2diy: because to get the hard disk monitor on your panel, simply right click the panel you want the monitor on, choose add to panel, then select and add, system monitor. when it appears on the panel, right click it and choose configure, there you can add the hard disk and much more.
[18:49] <cordoval_> rats!
[18:49] <D-coy> alguien sabe como eliminar la leyenda que aparece arriba de la cuenta regresiva del grub asi como el marco? :þ
[18:49] <mustafa> gaara, can you share the link?
[18:49] <Eduard> escott: i'm on 10.10 gnome 2.32
[18:49] <sebsebseb> Eduard: with the Gnome 3 ppa, you don't quite get the 100% proper full expereince, that you would get in other distro's that use it by default, but well if it works, should be ok enough for now
[18:49] <IdleOne> !es | D-coy
[18:49] <gaara> for the dvd?
[18:49] <escott> Eduard, ok sorry
[18:50] <escott> cordoval_, please keep your comments to information not "rats!" we have lots of traffic on here
[18:50] <Chuck_> can anyone help me get to a console and change my nvidia xserver settings, I changed something and cannot get into the graphical environ now
[18:50] <n2diy> HyperShock, ok, the sys monitor description didn't mention HD activity, thanks.
[18:50] <cordoval_> I wonder if I reinstall ubuntu if it will keep my data intact
[18:50] <D-coy> IdleOne, thanks but, she m4v ban me, I don't know :S
[18:50] <HyperShock> n2diy: yw
[18:50] <Eduard> sebsebseb: i understand that :). So, you checked the link to ppa?
[18:50] <cordoval_> rats! ok escott, sorry rats! is like to convey frustration
[18:50] <varunvyas> hi all
[18:50] <chadi> if my current maverick version is 32-bit, and I'm installing 64-bit natty, will it read my /home? (I have a separate /home partition)
[18:51] <econdudeawesome> jrib: where would I put the "text" option in the Grub2? I'm looking over the documentation and it is not clear to me
[18:51] <IdleOne> D-coy: ok, in the channel please speak in English
[18:51] <varunvyas> when I want to ugread to 10.10 from 10.04
[18:51] <gaara> chadi, no it wont
[18:51] <IdleOne> this*
[18:51] <varunvyas> it always aborts
[18:51] <escott> cordoval_, depends on how things are configured, i understand you are frustrated but the channel is not the appropriate place we have 1800 people on it, and multiple conversations
[18:51] <jrib> econdudeawesome: at the end of the grub line (next to "splash")
[18:51] <HyperShock> chadi: you'll have to remap the home directory in afterwards
[18:51] <sebsebseb> Eduard: yeah just got a  bit of a browser issue, hold on
[18:51] <jrib> econdudeawesome: I meant to say *kernel* line
[18:51] <petsounds> So Unity doesn't support nvidia 7 series? weird cause it works in my laptop and netbook.
[18:51] <zombie_> hi =) Questions. What is the shortcut to go between workspaces ubuntu 11.04
[18:51] <varunvyas> anyhelp
[18:51] <stREaKer> anyone here using ATi with natty?
[18:51] <gaara> anyone here experiencing backlight issues with natty?
[18:51] <chadi> HyperShock, gaara: sure I will, but is there a 32-bit / 64-bit move problem?
[18:51] <econdudeawesome> jrib: so the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT = "spash quiet text"?
[18:51] <escott> !help | varunvyas
[18:52] <jrib> econdudeawesome: sure
[18:52] <strigoi66> sorry to go offtopic but can someone check a website for me and let me know if its viewable? http://67.235.213.82
[18:52] <rach0> stREaKer, me
[18:52] <IdleOne> zombie_: ctrl - alt - arrow keys
[18:52] <jrib> strigoi66: no
[18:52] <stREaKer> rach0: which driver are you using?
[18:52] <HyperShock> chadi: i would say only if you have 32bit custom programs residing in it, you may need to recompile them
[18:52] <gaara> jrib, are u facing no backlight problem? i have the same thing
[18:52] <Senix> is there an install client for 7zip?
[18:52] <rach0> open source
[18:52] <econdudeawesome> jrib: here goes :-)
[18:52] <zombie_> ah, very nice thanks!
[18:52] <sebsebseb> petsounds: what's that a reasasonbly new Nivida card or?
[18:52] <strigoi66> thank you
[18:52] <kwtm> strigoi66: That's not a good idea.  Who knows whether a web site is malicious?
[18:52] <jiltdil> jrib:should i install 11.04 or wait some days?
[18:52] <Tom__> Senix - yes, just use the software center and search for 7zip
[18:52] <g4> I'm happy with python-docky, but I see that the installer say it's no longer needed? https://bit.ly/mvgmQF I can reinstall after upgrade?
[18:52] <raju> cdbs:  my problem also got solved man
[18:52] <stREaKer> rach0: 11.2 wont load up dont know why ? and what do you mean open source?
[18:52] <gaara> mustafa, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/natty-dvd-amd64.iso
[18:53] <cordoval_> escott: not sure if I find the partition that my disk is in
[18:53] <jrib> strigoi66: I meant "no" as in we can't check
[18:53] <cordoval_> how to figure it out the partition of my drive
[18:53] <ubuntu> Hi, How I can enable Unity in 11.04_
[18:53] <ubuntu> _
[18:53] <ubuntu> ?
[18:53] <varunvyas> When I am trying to upgread from 10.04 to 11.04 , it aborts while downloading new packages
[18:53] <sebsebseb> petsounds: also have you got a propitary Nivida driver installed or not?
[18:53] <sirgad> Hi. I have a UCK modified Ubuntu Live CD. A bug in UCK (or a bad interaction with my setup) mean I can't complete my customizations. Can I do them manually?
[18:53] <sebsebseb> varunvyas: you got to go through 10.10
[18:53] <HyperShock> kwtm: in Opera and I think firefox, you can get an addon called WOT (web of trust), it will tell you very aptly if a website is malicious
[18:53] <rach0> stREaKer, i mean the default driver that comes with the installation, no fglrx stuff
[18:53] <Tom__> Can I upgrade from 11.04 BETA to the final version, or do I have to re-install?
[18:53] <escott> cordoval_, cat /proc/partitions will tell you all partitions, where / vs /boot vs /home might be is something you will have to remember
[18:53] <sebsebseb> !upgrade | Tom__
[18:53] <ls_> do i want to upgrade to do a fresh install
[18:53] <sebsebseb> !fianal | Tom__
[18:53] <mustafa> gaara, I am leaving now
[18:54] <kwtm> HyperShock: I will leave it to you to check strigoi66's web site.
[18:54] <mustafa> gaara, thank you
[18:54] <kbrosnan> HyperShock: kwtm wot only works if people rank the site
[18:54] <compdoc> sebsebseb, Im installing 11.04 from cd right now, and its taking forever to d/l files. liekly because of all the uers doing the same thing
[18:54] <sebsebseb> !final | Tom__
[18:54] <varunvyas> I am upgreading to 10.10 (my bad)
[18:54] <zombie_> how do I make my dock stick so it does not autohide.  There is no "settings" that i can find for it ubuntu 11.04
[18:54] <sebsebseb> Tom__: however even so ^ it may be a great idea to re install, to make 100% sure you have the proper expereince
[18:54] <escott> varunvyas, does it say why is aborts?
[18:54] <ls_> pl
[18:54] <gerrin> laptop screen busted can only see half of screen, is there anyway to shut off the screen and make external vga port primary monitor from terminal
[18:54] <ls_> ok
[18:54] <HyperShock> kwtm: if you are using linux to surf, what is the max risk you are worried about?
[18:54] <cordoval_> it has only loop0, sda, sda1, sda2, and sd5
[18:54] <varunvyas> it says not able to download packages
[18:55] <varunvyas> and gives set of pacakges
[18:55] <Dr_Willis> gerrin:  the xrandr tool perhaps. it may depend on your video chipset. My BIOS settings on my laptop also have such a setting.
[18:55] <sebsebseb> compdoc: yeah the repo's tend to be slow on release day
[18:55] <cordoval_> it has little information
[18:55] <OverTheHillAndFa> anyone able to help out with unity not loading? drivers is ok. but standard session does not load unity after uninstalling unity-2d
[18:55] <petsounds> sebsebseb, mine is 7 series so it is old, and yes i have the proprietary driver installed (version 270) i have to use ubuntu classic with no effect bc unity and ubuntu classic freeze my desktop.
[18:55] <Dr_Willis> varunvyas:  servers are taking a heavy load right now.
[18:55] <sebsebseb> !slow | compdoc
[18:55] <varunvyas> I am doing it again , will capture exact error this time
[18:55] <ubuntu> Wasn't it suppose to be that 11.04 had Unity as default desktop?
[18:55] <rach0> stREaKer, can you explain what's the problem with booting in Natty
[18:55] <sirgad> actually, does anyone know of a UCK-dedicated IRC room?
[18:55] <Dr_Willis> Live cd - just loaded the gnome classic desktop here. :() No Unity. heh.
[18:55] <sebsebseb> petsounds: ok bingo, sounds like me with the Beta 2, but I found out about a little trick, to get Unity working, when the propritary driver freezes that may also work for you
[18:55] <escott> cordoval_, well fsck sda1, sda2, and sda5 (although 5 is probably a swap partition), do you remember how you configured your partitions
[18:55] <ubuntu> Dr_Willis, Same problem here.
[18:56] <stREaKer> rach0: PC wont boot up in normal mode and in recovery mode with no GFX it boots
[18:56] <ssfdre38> hey i think the site needs a good fixing
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> Proberly due to my vdieo card not having 3d support perhaps.
[18:56] <ubuntu> Dr_Willis, like whole Unity does not exist at all.
[18:56] <cordoval_> I already did that
[18:56] <dimkin> i was on 11.04 beta, and today no updates at all, is it ok? :)
[18:56] <stREaKer> rach0: "Error: ./default_policy.sh does not support version" error am facing which installing the driver
[18:56] <gerrin> Dr_Willis, how do i run that xrandr, and im running and ati radeon 1200x with amd turion tl60 processor if that helps
[18:56] <ubuntu> Dr_Willis, my does have but I can not enable Unity anyway.
[18:56] <cordoval_> oh rats sorry required sudo
[18:56] <Elssha> okay, so I managed to get terminal working... now how do I restore the panel the way it was in 11.04?
[18:56] <sebsebseb> petsounds: remove the propritary driver from additional drivers, and then the experimental 3D support driver should show, install that, and it is more likely to work for you :)
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> dimkin:  sounds like you are uyo to date.
[18:56] <timjk> i want to connect via remote desktop to a ubuntu 10.10 machine from my machine running ubuntu 10.10
[18:56] <mikebot> Does anyone have a working link to 11.04 netbook version?
[18:56] <HyperShock> stREaKer: you will probably have to reconfigure your x server
[18:56] <mikebot> *torrent
[18:56] <timjk> which package should i install on my machine ?
[18:56] <petsounds> sebsebseb, ahhh cool will try dat, thanks bro
[18:56] <Johan2> Hi, I'm having some slight problems with my new 11.04 upgrade.
[18:56] <stREaKer> HyperShock: how do I go about doing that?
[18:56] <dimkin> so release day doesnt mean new updates will be ? :)
[18:56] <timjk> vncviewer does not work
[18:57] <sebsebseb> mikebot: there isn't one anymore, because Unity is now for both netbooks and Desktop
[18:57] <tripelb> Trying to understand "df -h" compared to what I see in "computer" in nautilus. I have 3 drives, 1T main drive booted up on-SATA also with 31G Windows partition., 2 IDE drives 10G 20G. GUI shows this. Can only see the subparts of 1T filesystem in df --- thanks
[18:57] <Johan2> Basically, I can't find a program to change the settings of Dash
[18:57] <cordoval_> sda1 is clean
[18:57] <sebsebseb> mikebot: however Unity should be able to detect when it's running on a netbook or desktop, and then be slightly differnet as well
[18:57] <HyperShock> stREaKer: you should be able to do it from the recovery mode option in grub
[18:57] <IdleOne> zombie_: here is a decent list of shortcuts for Unity. http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/28087#28087
[18:57] <rach0> stREaKer, do you have the fglrx driver installed?
[18:57] <escott> timjk, rdesktop for windows style, various vnc clients, and ssh -X for the traditional unix approach
[18:57] <HyperShock> if you cant get that let me dig out that sudo command
[18:57] <Dr_Willis> dimkin:  ive often insgtalled the beta. then updated the day befor release.. then dont update till a week after its released.. servers are to overloaded for that week
[18:57] <sebsebseb> petsounds: and would be interested to know if that works for you :)
[18:57] <jiltdil> Dr_willis:i have nvidia gefore 9400GT does it supports 3D for natty?
[18:57] <Dr_Willis> jiltdil:  no idea.
[18:57] <Craigen> How do i access grub on bootup?
[18:57] <ale`> hi, I just updated to 11.04, but at the end of the update (I'd say it was around the 80% of the package installation step) my pc hanged with a blinking caps lock led. Now, whenever I boot it, I get a blinking caps and the pc hangs. My machine is a Lenovo T61, my network card is an intel 4965 (It seems to be related, at least that's what I found out googling)
[18:57] <rimo0> i just generated a key for my SSH shell account! the next time that i tried to log in it asked me for a 'passphrase' and it didn't ask me for my account password!! so now what is the diffrent between it and my password? as if I just changed a new password for my account? isn't it? "generating a Key" what is it use for?
[18:57] <stREaKer> rach0: I did an upgrade no fresh istallation and yes i had it and it has crashed yet again
[18:57] <cordoval_> sd2 is fsk.ext2 attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open dev sda2
[18:57] <ale`> Any help?
[18:57] <timjk> escott: which vnc client to install ?
[18:58] <mikebot> sebsebseb: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download
[18:58] <cordoval_> could this be a zero-length partition?
[18:58] <Dr_Willis> jiltdil:  i noticed the addational drivers tool. does not list anything for theis Nvidia Gefoirce 6150 I got.
[18:58] <Elssha> anyone know how to restore the panel in 11.04?
[18:58] <HyperShock> stREaKer: sudo Xorg --configure
[18:58] <stREaKer> HyperShock: where do i find the options...am already booted in ubuntu 11.04
[18:58] <Dr_Willis> !reset-panel
[18:58] <cordoval_> -p would not fix that
[18:58] <stREaKer> HyperShock: thanks
[18:58] <Dr_Willis> !resetpanel
[18:58] <escott> !best | timjk
[18:58] <Tom__> Thanks!
[18:58] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if that works in 11.04 - proberly does
[18:58] <dimkin> Dr_Willis, thanx :)
[18:58] <Tom__> quit
[18:58] <binoy> how do i ssh into a computer behind nat?
[18:58] <escott> !vnc | timjk
[18:58] <rach0> stREaKer, alright boot in recovery and sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx fglrx_* fglrx-amdcccle* fglrx-dev* xorg-driver-fglrx
[18:58] <petsounds> sebsebseb, oki dokiee, brb
[18:59] <cordoval_> this is serious businsess
[18:59] <escott> cordoval_, could be an extended partition, check gparted and see what it says it is
[18:59] <sebsebseb> Eduard: trying to get the link for you now, but
[18:59] <escott> binoy, you need to forward the ssh port in your router
[18:59] <rach0> stREaKer, then restart X
[18:59] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: is there a factoid yet for the new help site by the way?
[18:59] <BlouBlou-> hi, I just installed ubuntu, I installed graphic card-drivers and when I rebooted, I lost gnome pannels, any idea of how to recover them?
[18:59] <stREaKer> ohk
[18:59] <hypetech> ssav: you still need a script for that ssh issue?
[18:59] <IdleOne> sebsebseb: which help site? askubuntu?
[18:59] <binoy> escott: i have no access to router
[18:59] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: yep that one
[18:59] <IdleOne> sebsebseb: not sure.
[18:59] <escott> binoy, then you cant do it
[19:00] <cordoval_> escott: it is sda1 huge amount
[19:00] <jdahm> am I gauranteed that /sbin/mdadm will start after installing or do I need to chroot and add it somehow?
[19:00] <tomasz> hi all
[19:00] <binoy> oops
[19:00] <rimo0> i just generated a key for my SSH shell account! the next time that i tried to log in it asked me for a 'passphrase' and it didn't ask me for my account password!! so now what is the diffrent between it and my password? as if I just changed a new password for my account? isn't it? "generating a Key" what is it use for?
[19:00] <thien> how to change permission of a partition?
[19:00] <cordoval_> but it says now it is clean
[19:00] <tomasz> in ubuntu one is bug with formating text
[19:00] <sebsebseb> Eduard: if you go to the askubuntu help site, and find the instructions for installing GNome 3, that's what you want.  with the beta 2 I used wrong instructions on another site, and ended up with a cross between Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 instead
[19:00] <cordoval_> sda1
[19:00] <BlouBlou> help please, how to restar gnome pannels?
[19:00] <zeeegis> how to upgrade ubuntu from 11.04 beta to  new 11.04 ?
[19:00] <escott> binoy, thats not entirely true, you would have to have someone on the target machine start a connection to the outside though, so for all intents and purposes its not possible
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> thien:  what filesystem is the partition?
[19:00] <cordoval_> I will check them with gparted since it is gui
[19:00] <IdleOne> !support > sebsebseb
[19:00] <cordoval_> and see what happens
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> !resetpanel | BlouBlou
[19:00] <GerardM-> where can I find how to do a screenshot ?
[19:01] <BlouBlou> anyone knows?
[19:01] <sebsebseb> !support | Eduard
[19:01] <cordoval_> escott: thanks I will check them with gparted
[19:01] <thien> Dr_Willis: ext4
[19:01] <BlouBlou> okay
[19:01] <Dr_Willis> BlouBlou:  try alt-f2 and  run gnome-panel
[19:01] <escott> cordoval_, and can you confirm with gparted that sda1 was a large ext4 and that sda2 was extended with sda5 the logical inside which was swap
[19:01] <joepa> anyone know how to enable desktop effects in natty / classic?
[19:01] <Dr_Willis> thien:  mount it. and chmod/chown the mountpoint (which will actually be chown/moding the root of the filesystem)
[19:01] <joepa> it used to be under Preferences->Appearance
[19:01] <Johan2> Uhm
[19:01] <Witchsong_> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zfjsZBC3Ajk/TbfO95Lv25I/AAAAAAAAB-o/8qQlSBeoAVY/s1600/Screenshot.png <-- How to add groups like that to the sidepane?
[19:01] <Witchsong_> Anyone know?
[19:01] <cordoval_> confirmed
[19:01] <Johan2> So, uh, changing DASH's settings?
[19:01] <cordoval_> escott: you are confirmed in all you said
[19:01] <rimo0> no answer?
[19:02] <Johan2> rimo0: What's your problem?
[19:02] <rimo0> i just generated a key for my SSH shell account! the next time that i tried to log in it asked me for a 'passphrase' and it didn't ask me for my account password!! so now what is the diffrent between it and my password? as if I just changed a new password for my account? isn't it? "generating a Key" what is it use for?
[19:02] <cordoval_> so checking now sdad1
[19:02] <nastjuid> dangit, I forgot to check for previous versions in apt. Is it possible to specify the previous version of gnome for installation or is this new design in 11.04 the only version of gnome I can use?
[19:02] <vish> !support | sebsebseb mentions the ask link
[19:02] <Dr_Willis> Witchsong_:  check some of the blog sites like OMGubuntu for  Unity tips and tricks perhaps.
[19:02] <sebsebseb> vish: uh?
[19:02] <Chuck_> I have changed some nvidia settings and now my graphical environment loads to the login page but after that it just sits with the busy mouse icon.  Please help
[19:02] <IdleOne> Witchsong: drag and drop the folder you want to the left pane.
[19:03] <escott> cordoval_, ok now you have to decide, your options are the easy route of backing up your important data and reinstalling from scratch, or the challenging/may not work/may seem to work but secretly be broken method or trying to resume the install
[19:03] <IdleOne> Witchsong: that should create a shortcut
[19:03] <HyperShock> Witchsong_: if by groups you mean folders, then drag and drop a folder of your choosing on the side panel
[19:03] <cordoval_> escott: you sold me on a
[19:03] <vish> hmm, i was replying to this, <sebsebseb> IdleOne: is there a factoid yet for the new help site by the way? … i need to scrolldown fully :D
[19:03] <rimo0> Johan2: i just generated a key for my SSH shell account! the next time that i tried to log in it asked me for a 'passphrase' and it didn't ask me for my account password!! so now what is the diffrent between it and my password? as if I just changed a new password for my account? isn't it? "generating a Key" what is it use for?
[19:03] <IdleOne> sebsebseb: !support has a link to askubuntu is what vish was saying
[19:03] <cordoval_> should I try to restart laptop just in case perhaps it works?
[19:03] <Johan2> rimo0: Uuuh, no idea
[19:03] <phoenixsampras> WHAT is the difference between UBUNTU FOR Business and the normal version???
[19:03] <Eduard> sebsebseb: thanks for the link
[19:04] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: yeah,  as you can see above gave that factoid to Eduard  who wants the Gnome 3 install instructions
[19:04] <hypetech> phoenixsampras: probably official support
[19:04] <IdleOne> sebsebseb: ah, cool.
[19:04] <BlouBlou> Dr_Willis: it doesn't work
[19:04] <escott> cordoval_, you could try. if you need to do a backup and don't have an external drive you can resize the sda1 partition and add a partition after it for your backup
[19:04] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: that's something else, if there isn't a factoid yet for installing Gnome 3 from the ppa, there should be really I think :)
[19:04] <BlouBlou> Dr_Willis: I tried both and nothing
[19:04] <IdleOne> !gnome3
[19:04] <sebsebseb> Eduard: ^
[19:04] <cordoval_> escott: how to see my files from here though
[19:05] <Hedgehog456> Servers okay now?
[19:05] <cordoval_> i can plug a usb drive
[19:05] <escott> Johan2, and you added the public key to .ssh/authorized_keys on the target machine
[19:05] <thien> (01:01:54 AM) Dr_Willis: how to do it?
[19:05] <cordoval_> but how to move the files if I cannot see them
[19:05] <cordoval_> oh nevermind went to places
[19:05] <Johan2> escott: It's not I that have the problem
[19:05] <cordoval_> it is mounting now
[19:05] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: last time I looked the ppa site itself,  wasn't really helpful on how to install it, but  someone suggested the askubuntu link for it, and that was good
[19:05] <Dr_Willis> thien:  do what? this channel is going by so fast my history buffer is gone.
[19:05] <BlouBlou> Dr_Willis: any idea of how to recover my pannels?
[19:05] <Johan2> escott: My problem is my inability to find a goddamn way to change the settings of dash
[19:05] <escott> Johan2, sorry meant rimo0
[19:05] <wildc4rd> evenin all
[19:05] <vish> sebsebseb: the ppa page has the instructions to install a ppa, what is missing there?
[19:06] <vish> that*
[19:06] <Dr_Willis> BlouBlou:  run gnome-panel  via the apt-f2 feature perhaps.. or try that resetpanels factoid commands.
[19:06] <hypetech> Johan2: open ccsm and click on unity
[19:06] <nastjuid> Johan2: if you find a configuration tool with more than two radio buttons, let me know
[19:06] <thien> Dr_Willis: how to change permission of a partition
[19:06] <johnjaylward> Hi, in Natty is there a way to disable the auto-maximize of the browser upon open when in Unity?
[19:06] <BlouBlou> Dr_Willis: I tried both and nothing
[19:06] <LAcan> escott, i tried running "sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode Auto" but I get "SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument." ?
[19:06] <Dr_Willis> thien:  you dont.. You change permissions on the FILESYSTEM on the partition.
[19:06] <Dr_Willis> thien:  mount it. and chmod/chown the mountpoint (which will actually be chown/moding the root of the filesystem)
[19:06] <nastjuid> hypetech: the panel optiosn are in ccsm?
[19:06] <sebsebseb> vish: well with beta 2, there was  something about it,  when I was there
[19:06] <escott> LAcan, do you have a wlan0
[19:06] <Dr_Willis> !permissions | thien
[19:07] <LAcan> escott, yes
[19:07] <nastjuid> hypetech: or does that not include menu item customization? I can't seem to add launchers to it. Pretty sure I"m just doing it wrong.
[19:07] <BlouBlou> Dr_Willis: I'll try a thing
[19:07] <escott> LAcan, not sure... could be a driver issue
[19:07]  * sebsebseb thinks the channel number right now is a bit disapointing not 2000 or so, oh well :D
[19:07] <hypetech> nastjuid: yes
[19:07] <DarkStar1> where do I add entries for the name resolution of other computers on my network? In my hosts file?
[19:07] <LAcan> escott, is there a way I can just restart it and let ubuntu do the config as if it was a rebbot/logout ?
[19:07] <DarkStar1> or will samba auto add this for me?
[19:07] <hypetech> nastjuid: to add a launcher, just open the program, then when it shows up right click on it in the dock and click add launcher
[19:07] <vish> sebsebseb: thats a GOOD sign, less problems requiring support ;p
[19:08] <nastjuid> hypetech: ah ha! thanks
[19:08] <damiano__> hello
[19:08] <mnoyce> Does anyone know if there's any way to turn off the "Apps for Download" list thingy?
[19:08] <vega> i hope i'm wrong but to me it seems that natty ships with a stone-age lirc (0.8.7) that is NOT compatible with nattys lirc kernel drivers?
[19:08] <Dr_Willis> DarkStar1:  i dont think samba will auto do that.
[19:08] <LAcan> does anyone know the modes for an intel 345ABGN ?
[19:08] <escott> LAcan, you could see if there is a service that manages the network. you could even restart the network service, or unload/reload the modules
[19:08] <sburjan`> hello. How can I enable unity after installing display drivers ?
[19:08] <damiano__> i don't understand why lightt doesn start i do /etc/init.d/lighttpd start but nothing happen.... no process running, what can i do?
[19:08] <Witchsong_> HyperShock: With groups I meant the Personal, Devices etc.
[19:08] <damiano__> i don't understand why lighttpd doesn start i do /etc/init.d/lighttpd start but nothing happen.... no process running, what can i do?
[19:09] <marcusk> damiano__: it's a script, look at it and see what it's doing
[19:09] <Dr_Willis> damiano__:  try the service command perhaops? perhaps you need a sudo in there also..
[19:09] <jrib> damiano__: this is likely unrelated but it is a good idea to use "service", not /etc/init.d
[19:09] <IdleOne> damiano__: sudo service lighttpd start ?
[19:09] <damiano__> i don't understand 5 minutes ago it was running
[19:09] <damiano__> one moment
[19:09] <vish> sburjan`: once the drivers are installed, Unity should be selected by itself, if not , select it from the login screen.
[19:09] <proq> I would like wubi to install ubuntu 11.04 and not 10.04. I have already tried to run and install wubi with 10.04 but it failed; are there any files I have to cleanup first?
[19:10] <escott> sburjan`, finally you can try unity --replace
[19:10] <marcusk> damiano__: also check if something is written to the logs
[19:10] <damiano__> * Starting web server lighttpd                                                                                                                                             [ OK ]
[19:10] <proq> ubuntu netbook 10.04 I mean
[19:10] <damiano__> but there aren't process
[19:10] <step21> proq, I think wubi is not quite ready for 11.04
[19:10] <damiano__> no lighttpd process running
[19:10] <stefg> damiano__: check for zombie processes... killall lighthttps, then 'service start lighthttpd'
[19:10] <Armageddon> if I use apt-get -d install package, that will download the package but not install it right ?
[19:10] <hypetech> damiano__: what happens when you try to browse to it?
[19:10] <vega> !lirc
[19:10] <damiano__> yes i done killall
[19:10] <Dr_Willis> damiano__:  check its logs -  check its configs to be sure it is logging. :)
[19:10] <damiano__> "no process"
[19:10] <hypetech> no lirc for you
[19:10] <McShane> is there a way to remove the "Workspace Switcher" button on the Unity launcher menu?
[19:11] <escott> damiano__, check your /var/log as well perhaps it is closing immediately because of misconfiguration
[19:11] <stREaKer> rach0: Now it is stuck as measuring battery
[19:11] <damiano__> hypetech what you mean with "browser" ?
[19:11] <hypetech> McShane: right click on it
[19:11] <vish> McShane: nope
[19:11] <hypetech> McShane: nvm
[19:11] <llutz> damiano__: checked logs?
[19:11] <stREaKer> Anyone's Natty stuck at that battery command on start up?
[19:11] <cordoval_> basically I need to backup the dsktop and my sites
[19:11] <Hedgehog456> Servers okay now?
[19:11] <damiano__> no error inside
[19:11] <escott> cordoval_, all that stuff is in /home
[19:11] <damiano__> hmmm
[19:12] <cordoval_> hmmm, true
[19:12] <dpac> Can anyone give me ftp address to download ubuntu iso?
[19:12] <rach0> stREaKer, can you get to terminal?
[19:12] <cordoval_> but my configuration
[19:12] <cordoval_> but that I can redo
[19:12] <axisys> I am getting this when trying to upgrade
[19:12] <axisys> PicPaste
[19:12] <axisys> Picture: ubuntu-OdtsGDtF.png
[19:12] <axisys> http://picpaste.com/ubuntu-OdtsGDtF.png
[19:12] <sdegutis> that was interesting
[19:13] <pancho> QUESTION: why does my upgrade manager say "Could not download release notes. Please check your internet connection." and not update, i had it updating earlier but it got halfway through and then stopped?, should i try the terminal? i am connect to the internet though, hmmmm
[19:13] <damiano__> i think there are some permission problem
[19:13] <stREaKer> rach0: I can start up only in recovery mode
[19:13] <damiano__> i check thank you guys
[19:13] <proq> step21: ok, thanks
[19:13] <escott> !slow | pancho
[19:13] <jan_> hi, I have problems after upgrading to natty.. ufw blocks igmp packets, so I am not able to receive data from multicast addresses using vlc. After disabling ufw everything works fine.. can someone help?
[19:13] <johnjaylward> does anyone know how to add a new widget to the unity top toolbar?
[19:13] <frankS2> When i log in using desktop : ubuntu i only see my desktop, no menus at all
[19:14] <vish> johnjaylward: you cant add applets to top panel
[19:14] <step21> johnjaylward, deeeeeeeeet
[19:14] <jan_> frank52: try to install compiz package
[19:14] <step21> johnjaylward, define widget
[19:14] <rach0> stREaKer, go into terminal and type in sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[19:14] <Hedgehog456> frankS2: How much RAM do you have?
[19:14] <jdahm> I was almost at the installation process using the LiveCD but it crashed so I force quitted the installation app.  Now when I click on "Install Ubuntu 11.04" it doesn't bring up any dialog
[19:14] <stREaKer> its stuck on that battery command during start up
[19:14] <jdahm> is there any other way to start it?
[19:14] <stREaKer> :/
[19:15] <pancho> @ubottu ok then sure thing, this is good and bad news isnt it, good that ubuntu is popular, and bad that the servers cant cope :)
[19:15] <johnjaylward> in 10.10 I used to have a performance monitor widget in the top panel that showed memory/cpu usage as well as temperatures
[19:15] <rimo0> escott: do u have any idea about my question?
[19:15] <johnjaylward> it disapeared on upgrade to natty with unity
[19:15] <vish> johnjaylward: as a mentioned, you cant :)
[19:15] <stREaKer> rach0: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"
[19:15] <axisys> how do I get around this? http://picpaste.com/ubuntu-OdtsGDtF.png ..
[19:15] <Dr_Willis> johnjaylward:  basicaslly those applets got removed..  :) theres alternative indicator-applets youmay want to check out.
[19:15] <stREaKer> rach0: "Package `xserver-xfree86' is not installed and no info is available.
[19:15] <stREaKer> "
[19:15] <frankS2> Hedgehog456: 4GB
[19:15] <mikebot> Are there md5 hashes posted somewhere for 11.04?
[19:15] <rimo0> HELP!! i just generated a key for my SSH shell account! the next time that i tried to log in it asked me for a 'passphrase' and it didn't ask me for my account password!! so now what is the diffrent between it and my password? as if I just changed a new password for my account? isn't it? "generating a Key" what is it use for?
[19:16] <escott> rimo0, you need to put your pub key in the auth_keys file on the target machine, and enable auth_keys login in sshd_config on target machine
[19:16] <petsounds> sebsebseb, ok bro unity works with the experimental driver but the screen contrast and colour are not as crisp if i use the regular nvidia driver. do you know how to fix it? thanks
[19:16] <Dr_Willis> johnjaylward:  the OMGubuntu blog site has a list of them.
[19:16] <frankS2> jan_: I already have compiz installed
[19:16] <Craigen> I just updated to 11.04, but when i login i can move for a few secs then everything just freezes. Any ideas? :)
[19:16] <trism> johnjaylward: you can use python-appindicator to write one if it is something simple, https://launchpad.net/indicator-sysmonitor is a good reference, only about 100 lines of code
[19:16] <Hedgehog456> frankS2: Strange.
[19:16] <BlouBlou> how to disable compiz by terminal?
[19:16] <frankS2> Hedgehog456: i even rm -rf .gnome* and .gconf* so it should be clean
[19:16] <Dr_Willis> BlouBlou:  try 'metacity --replace'
[19:16] <sburjan`> escott: I have nothing in the login screen. I can only shut down computer, restart, etc ...
[19:16] <escott> rimo0, it may also be that your local keyring is asking for the password to your keyring
[19:17] <escott> sburjan`, huh?
[19:17] <rimo0> escott: i did that but i just wanted to know that what is the different about the a pub key and password?
[19:17] <nastjuid> !torrent
[19:17] <BlouBlou> Dr_Willis: it doesn't work, it says 'unable to open x display'
[19:17] <Armageddon> how do I fetch the packages from the repos without installing them ?
[19:18] <escott> rimo0, properly configured you can use ssh -i key.pub and not have to worry about passwords
[19:18] <sburjan`> escott: unity --replace doesn not work. I get a "Cannotregister panel shell: there is already one running." But my theme is like windows 95
[19:18] <sirgad> anyone know how to manually edit gconfs on a Live CD?  For booting purposes only, this CD, not install.
[19:18] <McShane> johnjaylward: look here: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/the-omg-guide-to-must-have-indicator-applets/
[19:18] <kwtm> Armageddon: apt-get --download-only install  <pkgname>
[19:18] <picasso> can anyone tell me what version of rubygems comes with the new 11.04? or, tell me how to check that myself (before upgrading of course)
[19:18] <BlouBlou> anyone knows how to disable compiz from a terminal, or how to prevent openning it automatically in ubuntu-session-start? from a tty if possible please, because I can't open an x session
[19:18] <kwtm> Armageddon: man apt-get
[19:18] <nandinux> hello someone can listen me about a problem installing natty on raid 0 ?
[19:18] <Armageddon> kwtm, same as apt-get -d install ?
[19:18] <hedele> hello guys, I've decided to install 11.04 over my opensuse install, keeping my home partition, but ubuntu installer doesn't recognize logical volumes and treats it as a one big partition
[19:18] <escott> rimo0, so the server has a private key which it can use to authenticate any client who has the matching public key
[19:18] <kwtm> Armageddon: Yes, -d is short for --download-only, but if I say "-d" then they'll say "what does -d stand for?"
[19:19] <Armageddon> kwtm, I did man it, but the output was unclear saying it needs
[19:19] <hedele> I can't reach my linux partitions from live session too
[19:19] <johnjaylward> thanks McShane , I found that just now
[19:19] <josephnexus> so how can I change the shortcuts found in the dash on unity?
[19:19] <Wickedspawn> how do you add more workspaces in unity?
[19:19] <hedele> how can I do it?
[19:19] <BlouBlou> anyone knows how to disable compiz from a terminal, or how to prevent openning it automatically in ubuntu-session-start? from a tty if possible please, because I can't open an x session
[19:19] <Armageddon> kwtm, the output still says it needs etc amount of space after installation, so I wanted to make sure
[19:19] <escott> sburjan`, you don't have a panel anywhere?
[19:19] <da_poller> hello guys
[19:19] <rimo0> escott: so what should i use that when i have got a secure password? i can't underestand!!
[19:19] <Elssha> back again
[19:20] <Elssha> anyone know how to restore the panel on 11.04?
[19:20] <lugkhast> Wickedspawn: CCSM, General Settings, look for vertical and horizontal desktop size (IIRC)
[19:20] <BlouBlou> Elssha: I have the same problem
[19:20] <kwtm> Armageddon: It assumes that you will manually install, so it will still tell you how much space it takes when you manually install.
[19:20] <escott> rimo0, because ssh key is thousands of characters, passphrase is 8
[19:20] <Armageddon> kwtm, see, now it's clearer :) thanks
[19:20] <Adis45> Hello, how do I make a bootable USB in Ubuntu
[19:20] <sburjan`> escott: Interface looks exactly like the previous ubuntu. It has a windows 95 feeling also
[19:20] <Ziber> I'm currently running ubuntu 10.04 lts. do-release-upgrade says nothings available?
[19:20] <Elssha> bloublou; i doubt it.. i killed it by activating desktop cube in compiz
[19:20] <sirgad> @Adis: look for Unetbootin
[19:20] <Jordan_U> Adis45: Follow the instructions @ http://ubuntu.com/download
[19:20] <maco> Ziber: 1) LTS only show other LTS by default and 12.04 isnt out yet. you can change this in software sources 2) you cant go from 10.04 to 11.04 directly
[19:21] <escott> sburjan`, did you get a message about your graphics hardware not being powerful enough (this is 11.04 right?
[19:21] <mikebot> Are there md5 hashes posted somewhere for 11.04?
[19:21] <kwtm> hedele: You need to mount the volume on your live session.  From a terminal, you'd type a command *similar to* (don't quote me exactly) "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /path/to/mount/point" or something similar.  Or there may be a way to do it with GUI, but I am not familiar with that.
[19:21] <Adis45> No, I need to make a bootable Windows installation USB
[19:21] <Ziber> maco: I want 10.10, how can I upgrade to that?
[19:21] <sburjan`> escott: all I have in the login screen is Universal Access Preferences
[19:21] <maco> Ziber: see #1 in what i said
[19:21] <sirgad> Adis: you want to boot Windows from a USB?
[19:21] <Elssha> also, my emerald won't work -_-; I'm stuck with no window boarders (close button, etc)
[19:21] <hedele> kwtm: oh thanks didn't know that I should mount it manually, thanks
[19:22] <maco> Ziber: change the update settings in the software sources config thing
[19:22] <escott> sburjan`, confused... now you are at the login screen?
[19:22] <Ziber> alright...
[19:22] <kwtm> hedele: Come to think of it, there may be a more user-friendly way to do it, but I'm just letting you know that it is possible.
[19:22] <Adis45> sirgad: Yes
[19:22] <Elssha> suburjan; you type in your user name, click okay then at the bottom it will show up
[19:22] <sburjan`> escott: I logged off :)
[19:22] <trism> mikebot: http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.04/MD5SUMS
[19:22] <Elssha> threw me for a loop as well
[19:22] <Jordan_U> Adis45: Ask in ##windows
[19:22] <Elssha> so, anyone know how to restore panel?
[19:22] <Adis45> ok
[19:22] <sirgad> Adis45: so far as I'm aware, Windows doesn't allow that - that's what I've been told myself.  I don't think it's possible in Win 7 either
[19:23] <Elssha> and how to get emerald to come back >_>
[19:23] <zeeegis> hello, can anyone tell me how to separate home partition becauze for now i had everythink in one partition
[19:23] <sburjan`> Elssha: yes. I have selected Ubuntu. What should I select in order to enable Unity ?
[19:23] <escott> sirgad, it is possible... not that i know how
[19:23] <arand> !home | zeeegis
[19:23] <Jordan_U> zeeegis: Why do you want a separate /home/? You don't need one to re-install preserving /home/.
[19:23] <nastjuid> In the alternate downloads -> bit torrent download section, there are two 10.04.2 Desktop i386 links, but no 10.04.2 x86_64 desktop link
[19:24] <mikebot> trism: THank you
[19:24] <Elssha> that idk; was just telling you that the options don't pop up until you type in your usr name
[19:24] <Elssha> sry
[19:24] <OchoZero9> how do you upgrade from alpha ?  update-manager -d ?
[19:24] <Jordan_U> !final | OchoZero9
[19:24] <Pici> !floodbot | nandinux
[19:24] <Elssha> anyone know if there's a way to *down*grade from 11 to 10?
[19:24] <destinydriven> I noticed that bununtu 11.04 is not displaying top menu of a number of apps, anyone else having that problem?
[19:25] <escott> Elssha, no
[19:25] <Elssha> too bad
[19:25] <karlo> if I started upgrading to 11.04 but I have no time, can I cancel it and continue later ? (its on "Getting new packages" its not on "Installing the upgrades")
[19:25] <OchoZero9> thanks Jordan_U
[19:25] <Jordan_U> destinydriven: Move your mouse to the top of the screen and you will see the menu bar.
[19:25] <escott> destinydriven, they are supposed to appear in the panel on top, some are a little finicky
[19:25] <sburjan`> Elssha: I typed, now I have several options. Ubuntu is the selected one and I still got windows 85 :)
[19:25] <jdahm> I already have RAID set up from a previous installation, but it thinks /dev/md0 and /dev/md1 are entire devices, not just partitions
[19:25] <Pici> karlo: Yes.
[19:25] <Pici> karlo: But not if it starts installing them.
[19:25] <Jordan_U> OchoZero9: You're welcome.
[19:25] <neckoox> Elssha: format + reinstall ?
[19:25] <LAcan> escott, modes is "Managed" on an intel
[19:25] <destinydriven> escott: this works with some but not others
[19:25] <neckoox> sburjan`: 85 ?? huh
[19:25] <Elssha> was hoping to keep all my other mods neckoox >_<
[19:26] <destinydriven> Aptana 3 (release) is one example
[19:26] <karlo> Pici, ok, tnx ..its still on downloading
[19:26] <sburjan`> 85, 95, you get the picture
[19:26] <Elssha> so no way to return the panel?
[19:26] <escott> destinydriven, there is plugin for firefox check synaptic for unity firefox something
[19:26] <neckoox> :/ elssha
[19:26] <neckoox> sburjan yeah =)
[19:26] <escott> destinydriven, its like unity integration or some such
[19:26] <sburjan`> I'm gonna reinstall
[19:26] <CaneToad> what's the story with 11.04?  I heard talk of crashing with betas... is that what people are seeing with the release version?
[19:26] <escott> jdahm, that seems normal
[19:26] <alienware> l
[19:26] <destinydriven> escott: ok thanks, but why firefox, I have no problems with ff
[19:26] <Elssha> ... and here i was happy i got to go to 11.04 without having to redo all the settings
[19:27]  * LAcan nods at alienware
[19:27] <Monotoko> trying to work out if I like this unity thing...but we're running with full speed and stability at the moment CaneToad
[19:27] <sdegutis> :D
[19:27] <Elssha> cane; mine worked fine until i wanted the stupid cube back -_-;
[19:27] <escott> destinydriven, is it openoffice? its usually one of those two. sometimes it also gets confused if i alt-tab too much
[19:27] <destinydriven> escott: Aptana Studio 3
[19:27] <jdahm> escott: hmm it seems like if I manually format the device with mkfs.ext4 /dev/md0 it lets me use it as a "partition"
[19:27] <jdahm> weird
[19:27] <neckoox> elssha : you talking about compiz ?
[19:27] <sundjinnkari> So, anyone try to run ccsm in unity?
[19:27] <LAcan> Elssha, just install ccsm...
[19:28] <Elssha> what's that?
[19:28] <Monotoko> ccsm?
[19:28] <vega> is it really so that natty ships with a stone-age lirc (0.8.7) that is NOT compatible with nattys lirc kernel drivers?
[19:28] <escott> jdahm, yeah they are logical devices so that seems normal
[19:28] <Craigen> I just updated to 11.04, but when i login i can move for a few secs then everything just freezes. Any ideas? :) Also i can't access to grub by pressing esc :/
[19:28] <escott> jdahm, the installer may not be familiar with them
[19:28] <sundjinnkari> CompizConfig Settings Manager
[19:28] <jdahm> escott: what if I want it to just use the entire device without repartitioning it?
[19:28] <escott> destinydriven, you download apatana from outside
[19:28] <Wickedspawn> lugkhast: so it is that complicated.... Unity is going to take some getting used to.. heh. Thanks.
[19:28] <destinydriven> escott: I did
[19:29] <llutz> !info lirc natty
[19:29] <jdahm> escott: I guess I'll just do it my manual way.  Seems hacky however.  In any case I have to wait for mdadm to sync these drives in /dev/md1
[19:29] <denny_b> Hey guys... I'm upgrading from 10.04 all the way up to 11.04... Am I going to run into issues or should it be really easy? (besides all the medibuntu stuff lol)
[19:29] <alienware> does anyone know how to install vistualbox on backtrack
[19:29] <llutz> vega: yep
[19:29] <destinydriven> escott: should I reinstall it on 11.04. I had it from 10.10
[19:29] <LAcan> im trying to download a torrent but it sasy the filename is too long... anyone know the option in Transmission or another fix?
[19:29] <CaneToad> Monotoko: is unty just a new default option... like can you use gnome if you want to?
[19:29] <Elssha> neckoox; yes... I upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04 ... in CCSM i tried to enable cube again, gave me an error but (stupidly, i know) I figured it was one of the ever-present 'the shortcut for X is same as shortcut for Y' things and okayed it
[19:29] <escott> jdahm, you could install in degraded mode and then fix it up after, but thats not the best approach
[19:29] <arand> !backtrack | alienware
[19:29] <escott> destinydriven, don't know if that would make a difference because it is outside apt
[19:29] <Elssha> next thing i know, no panel up top, no window boarders
[19:29] <jdahm> escott: what is degraded mode?
[19:29] <multipass> wow, 11.04 has iphone support, badass
[19:30] <Monotoko> how come its now LibreOffice...?
[19:30] <Rob235> what can it do with the iphone
[19:30] <Monotoko> I assume thats openoffice?
[19:30] <Elssha> so now no cube and no panel
[19:30] <neckoox> multipass: really ?
[19:30] <mikebot> trism: The torrent from the website doesn't match that....?
[19:30] <nandinux> i have a notebook with 10.10 installed and work ok
[19:30] <destinydriven> escott: hmm ok, guess I will have to use another ide for now
[19:30] <escott> jdahm, ie disable mdadm, install to /dev/sda# and then rebuild afterwards
[19:30] <neckoox> multipass: which OS ?
[19:30] <Leo> Hello all. For my sins, I'm trying to set up an IPSec VPN on an Ubuntu 10.10 Server machine. I'm using OpenSWAN (+ NETKEY, just the default setup).
[19:30] <lugkhast> Wickedspawn: simple-ccsm might work too, but I haven't tried
[19:30] <zeeegis> when it will be possible to upgrade ubuntu to 11.04
[19:30] <OchoZero9> Monotoko: because Free means two things, and libre means one
[19:30] <zeeegis> ?
[19:30] <nandinux> now i try to install 11.04 and not work
[19:30] <Elssha> LAcan; if that's compiz settings manager i have it; it's how I screwed up the install in the first places
[19:30] <jdahm> escott: oh, eww, nah I'll do it this way.  Thanks for the tip anyway
[19:30] <multipass> neckoox, yeah.. i had direct access to the root of it, access to the 3rd part apps, and access to the music.. amazing
[19:30] <Elssha> place*
[19:30] <escott> destinydriven, the real question is how to get unity to NOT take over the menu
[19:30] <cws> hi, i cannot boot into ubuntu 10.10 after installing ubuntu 11.04. Does anyone know how to fix it? http://paste.ubuntu.com/600388/
[19:30] <[lan3y]> so once i done all the updates im on 11.04 right?
[19:30] <destinydriven> zeeegis: as of today
[19:30] <xrdodrx> Monotoko, LibreOffice is an updated OO.org
[19:30] <multipass> neckoox, so no longer need SSH to it
[19:31] <nandinux> i think the problem is the raid
[19:31] <neckoox> multipass: damn sweet !
[19:31] <OchoZero9> Monotoko: they are now Free from sun / oracle
[19:31] <escott> jdahm, see if you can mount md0 and md1, maybe once they are mounted the installer will play along
[19:31] <destinydriven> escott: I'd love to know that
[19:31] <OchoZero9> they are libre
[19:31] <nandinux> sameone can help me ?
[19:31] <stREaKer> rach0: Its fixed :)
[19:31] <CaneToad> Monotoko: Libreoffice is a fork of openoffice that isn't under Oracle's control...since they initially apparently weren't willing to play friendly with it
[19:31] <stREaKer> rach0: thanks for the help
[19:31] <Wickedspawn> lugkhast: I tried switching to classic and changing the number of workspaces and then logging back into unity, but the change didn't carry over. Was trying to keep from installing compiz, but I guess I have to =/
[19:31] <sundjinnkari> did anyone run conky in 11.04?
[19:31] <neckoox> multipass: but can you change the music on it ? like uploading music ?
[19:31] <Jenk> Would somebody point me to the md5 hashes of Natty ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes hasn't been updated.
[19:31] <Monotoko> CaneToad, I see...I've been out of the game a while!!
[19:31] <rach0> stREaKer, glad i was of help
[19:31] <LAcan> Elssha, whats the screwup? you are likely in conflict between your WM and compiz?
[19:31] <multipass> neckoox, i think so.. so far i just tried playing it though.
[19:31] <jdahm> escott: ok I will after I get lunch. /dev/md1 is going to take about another hour to sync ;)
[19:32] <neckoox> multipass: try try ! :P
[19:32] <OchoZero9> OOo was always Free(gratis), but now they are Free(libre)
[19:32] <_cory> ok i feel very out of place on 11.04...
[19:32] <jdahm> escott: maybe I'll submit a big report about it
[19:32] <OchoZero9> should i use desktop or netbook version?
[19:32] <Elssha> LAcan; i turned on cube in CCSM and my panel (the shiny new one in 11.04) and window boarders ran away in mutiny
[19:32] <gaara> did anyone solve the backlight issues??
[19:32] <multipass> neckoox, cant atm lol, im at work and i already wasted an hour, sry
[19:32] <gaara> screen is black
[19:33] <Monotoko> can anyone tell me where the settings are...?
[19:33] <gaara> rather screen is blank on booting in
[19:33] <escott> jdahm, you might also try getting the mdadm.conf setup in your install environment see if that helps
[19:33] <Adis45> How can I make my USB bootable
[19:33] <neckoox> multipass: a okay . np , i will probably test myself next week
[19:33] <Elssha> what's the command line to open CCSM?
[19:33] <LAcan> ccsm
[19:33] <escott> Elssha, ccsm
[19:33] <stREaKer> Everytime I boot up my ubuntu I see "Resume:Libcrypt 1.4.5" is it natural?
[19:33] <multipass> neckoox, it works on live usb/cd, so done even need to instlal
[19:33] <_cory> is there a way to move this sidebar thing to the bottom?
[19:33] <Elssha> n/m
[19:33] <Monotoko> compizconfig-settings-manager
[19:33] <Leo> So first I'm trying to set up a basic IPSec connection for test purposes, roughly following the instructions in the OpenSWAN book ( http://www.packtpub.com/openswan/book ).
[19:33] <jdahm> escott: I know.  I'm goign to need to chroot when I'm done installing and make sure everything is go inside the install
[19:33] <LAcan> Elssha, than you can reset those properties THROUGH compiz ccsm
[19:33] <jdahm> escott: it's not goign to be nice
[19:33] <OchoZero9> Should I use Desktop or Netbook an a two point multitouch screen with Pressure sensitive pen input  i7?
[19:34] <michaelschmid> hi! just updated from 10.10 to 11.04... during install i had a crash. then i finished using shell. now my install is sometimes freezing and nautilus doesn't work anymore (just doesn't start). any suggestions?
[19:34] <Monotoko> michaelschmid, sounds like a reinstall job
[19:34] <michaelschmid> sure?
[19:34] <gaara> michaelschmid, i agree with Monotoko
[19:34] <neckoox> multipass: yup , i won't install it yet , since fresh dist. are known to be buggy .
[19:34] <Leo> The book suggests that an RSA key should be automatically generated during openswan installation, except on Gentoo where the install is half-broken.
[19:35] <jdahm> /away lunch
[19:35] <escott> michaelschmid, unless you can identify the library that was installing when it crashed
[19:35] <Monotoko> michaelschmid, I mean reinstall your operating system clean
[19:35] <jdahm> oops
[19:35] <Elssha> okay, what's this unity shell thing?
[19:35] <Witchsong_> OchoZero9, I'd guess the Netbook edition would be better for a tablet (assume that's what you mean).
[19:35] <proq> wubi on windows 7 is only allowing me 30GB to install ubuntu, but I have 119GB free.  how do I give it 80GB?
[19:35] <damien_mul> Anyone here having an issue with the Natty upgrade?
[19:35] <Ziber> So, I get to the login screen and I click on my username. Sometimes it wont show the password entry form at all, and sometimes it does but wont let me type ...
[19:35] <michaelschmid> yeah, i understood... but any ideas how to get nautilus running again and then installing some days later?
[19:35] <damien_mul> I'm getting an error during upgrade ...
[19:35] <damien_mul> Failed to fetch http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/plymouth/plymouth-x11_0.8.2-2ubuntu23_amd64.deb 404  Not Found [IP: 193.1.193.69 80]
[19:35] <damien_mul> Failed to fetch http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/system-config-printer/hal-cups-utils_1.3.1+20110222-0ubuntu16.2_all.deb 404  Not Found [IP: 193.1.193.69 80]
[19:35] <damien_mul> Failed to fetch http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/q/qt4-x11/libqt4-webkit_4.7.2-0ubuntu6.1_amd64.deb 404  Not Found [IP: 193.1.193.69 80]
[19:35] <FloodBot3> damien_mul: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:35] <gaara> anyone here have an issue with the backlight on laptop screen
[19:35] <gaara> ?
[19:36] <escott> michaelschmid, try force reinstall of naut, but its more likely a library issue
[19:36] <Elssha> anyone know what's this unity shell thing?
[19:36] <Elssha> is*
[19:36] <_cory> where is my administrator menu?  No more compiz?  wtf...
[19:36] <michaelschmid> how can i find out, at what job the upgrade crashed?
[19:36] <Monotoko> michaelschmid, you could try uninstalling ubuntu-desktop and reinstalling it...that would likely purge a lot, but it is more likely to break things than fix
[19:36] <Psychobudgie> Elssha, it's Ubuntu's new shell
[19:36] <Pici> !floodbot | nandinux
[19:36] <Witchsong_> Anyone here know if it's possible to sync folders from multiple mounted harddrives to Ubuntu One?
[19:36] <Elssha> yay, that fixed it
[19:36] <Elssha> ^_^
[19:37] <Elssha> or so i thing
[19:37] <Elssha> think*
[19:37] <FloodBot3> Elssha: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:37] <Ziber> So, I get to the login screen and I click on my username. Sometimes it wont show the password entry form at all, and sometimes it does but wont let me type ... Any ideas?
[19:37] <jbwiv> is anyone else getting this little blue triangle in the upper left hand corner of unity? http://i.imgur.com/LvEWN.png
[19:37] <Witchsong_> Or am I confined to keep what I want synced in the home folder?
[19:37] <Jenk> What/Where are the md5 hashes of Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty) ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes hasn't been updated.
[19:37] <Witchsong_> No Ubuntu One users here who could answer the question?
[19:37] <Psychobudgie> jbwiv, it's a notification
[19:38] <OchoZero9> Witchsong_: yes I have atablet, but I need the ability to run powerful apps like Electronic Design Automation.
[19:38] <jbwiv> Psychobudgie, ah...I see
[19:38] <Omega> jenkins: http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/MD5SUMS
[19:38] <_cory> why does 11.04 seem so dumbed down?
[19:38] <Psychobudgie> jbwiv, tells you that something has occurred somewhere. Doesn't actually tell you what occurred just that something has, somewhere, at some point
[19:38] <Omega> Jenk: http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/MD5SUMS
[19:38] <Omega> Oops, sorry jenkins.
[19:38] <Leo> Thing is, it seems that no RSA key has been generated during openswan installation on Ubuntu 10.10 either. /etc/ipsec.secrets contains the lineinclude /var/lib/openswan/ipsec.secrets.inc
[19:38] <Witchsong_> OchoZero9: For Ubuntu 10, the only major difference between the Desktop and Netbook editions is the interface.
[19:38] <DASSSAD> hi
[19:38] <Psychobudgie> jbwiv, you see what I did there
[19:38] <theintrepid1> hi. Im having problems with broadcom wifi after a clean install of 11.04. Any suggestions?
[19:38] <DASSSAD> when comes do ubuntu 11.04 ??
[19:38] <nandinux> someone can help me? problem with raid on 11.04
[19:39] <Leo> /var/lib/ipsec.secrets.inc doesn't exist.
[19:39] <OchoZero9> Witchsong_: thanks.
[19:39] <jbwiv> Psychobudgie, yes, I see. ;-). Thanks!
[19:39] <escott> Psychobudgie, and i've been thinking that was a graphical artifact
[19:39] <srsbiz> Hey, is 11.04 released yet? update-notifier doesn't report 11.04 is available, only 10.10. :-/
[19:39] <Ziber> When I get to the login screen (and it takes a while to get there...), it sometimes wont let me type my password anywhere. Other times, it shows the password textbox, but wont let me type. Any ideas?
[19:39] <Psychobudgie> escott, someone posted it as a bug earlier
[19:39] <escott> !help | nandinux
[19:39] <jbwiv> is there a good, consistent set of end-user docs for unity? I'd like to convert my bro-in-law
[19:39] <michaelschmid> ziber, i think i had the same problem
[19:39] <Witchsong_> _cory, I guess you have a different view of what seems "dumbed down" than what I have. The new interface is a lot better, though it will require time to get used to. :)
[19:40] <Ziber> michaelschmid: Do you have a solution?
[19:40] <rcmaehl> WOOT!
[19:40] <srsbiz> Do I have to update to 10.10 frist?
[19:40] <fslima0> 0
[19:40] <rcmaehl> 11.04!
[19:40] <Psychobudgie> escott, We should have a bet on what actual feature of unity will be the next one to be incorrectly indentified as a bug
[19:40] <crescendo> my window manager is crashing amid the upgrade, and it's just resizing the windows over and over. halp?
[19:40] <_cory> witchsong_: Maybe u can help me figure a few things out.  I want to reconfigure my monitors but I don't have a preferences or administration menu anymore.  Also is tehre a way to reposition the sidebar?
[19:40] <OchoZero9> I have an 18.6 GB partition that is almost full, and it hosts the operating system. I have naother 63GB partitoin that is only 60% full. How do I free up space on the OS partition?
[19:40] <michaelschmid> first it was extremely slow, now it works, but sometimes it is freezing. try first to start the classic version (gnome)
[19:40] <crescendo> (I'm basically typing into an oscillating Xchat window right now.)
[19:40] <rcmaehl> ubuntu 11.04 today an ring ceremony tomorrow which means I get to leave school after it and be excused
[19:40] <Leo> And then, when I attempt to create an RSA key using sudo ipsec newhostkey (the method recommended for Gentoo installs by the openswan book) nothing happens.
[19:40] <Pici> srsbiz: Yes. If you're running 10.04, you'll need to upgrade to 10.10 first, then to 11.04
[19:40] <Ziber> michaelschmid: ...How?
[19:40] <Witchsong_> _cory: The preferences are in the "shut down" menu now.
[19:41] <michaelschmid> ziber, but i don't really have a solutino
[19:41] <escott> OchoZero9, gparted will allow you to resize/move
[19:41] <DASSSAD> when will ubuntu11.04 released ??
[19:41] <_cory> witchsong_ ah ha!  thx
[19:41] <michaelschmid> ziber, try to login using gnome (classic)
[19:41] <Monotoko> DASSSAD, it's out
[19:41] <escott> OchoZero9, as with any partition changes make backups
[19:41] <srsbiz> Pici: is 11.04 LTS btw? I was kind-of confused by teh lack of "LTS" on the download site
[19:41] <Leo> The rsasigkey process just seems to stall, using 0 processor and memory (according to top).
[19:41] <rcmaehl> DASSSAD: it's out
[19:41] <DASSSAD> is 11.04 LTS ?
[19:41] <arand> srsbiz: It's not
[19:41] <Ziber> michaelschmid: How do I select that option?
[19:41] <nandinux> why in a notebook with raid-0 perfectly run 10.10 i can't install 11.04
[19:41] <theintrepid1> hi. Im having some problems with wifi after a clean install of 11.04. STA driver takes out wireless networks on the network applet. any ideas?
[19:41] <Psychobudgie> srsbiz, 11.10 is the next lts
[19:41] <Monotoko> DASSSAD, there isn't an 11.04 LTS
[19:41] <michaelschmid> ziber, did upgrade to through without crash/error?
[19:41] <Lunar_Lamp> I've just upgraded to 11.04 and am now using unity.  How do I set the default screen in a 2-monitor setup? The vertical menu bar is appearing on the left side of the right screen (i.e. in the middle of the two monitors)
[19:41] <arand> Psychobudgie: No.
[19:42] <srsbiz> Oh my gawd. Nevermind me. Not upgrading lol.
[19:42] <Omega> srsbiz: o+1 aka 12.04 is LTS
[19:42] <Ziber> michaelschmid: Hm?
[19:42] <rcmaehl> theintrepid1: rmmod the device then modprobe it
[19:42] <alessio_alex> Hello
[19:42] <escott> Psychobudgie, hard to say i feel like im over the hump and its starting to all seem normal. perhaps the workspace switcher not closing when you click on a workspace
[19:42] <michaelschmid> ziber, click onto your user and then at the bottom you can choose
[19:42] <Ziber> michaelschmid: hm, alright
[19:42] <alessio_alex> I've hidden my bottom panels, but now I don't know how to set "always show"
[19:42] <alessio_alex> Help?
[19:42] <OchoZero9> thanks escott, but I think 18gb is excessive how do I know what I have there that's un necessary?
[19:42] <liquidguide> If anyone is having a slow download the torrents are lightning fast
[19:42] <cws> Hi, i have just installed ubuntu 11.04, but i can no longer boot into my ubuntu 10.10 installation. Anyone know how to add ubuntu 10.10 to grub again? http://paste.ubuntu.com/600388/
[19:43] <escott> Leo, will any rsa key work? could you generate with gpg or ssh
[19:43] <lcb> It was a nice ride. Thanks to all at #ubuntu*
[19:44] <arand> cws: According to that, it does seem to be added...
[19:44] <escott> OchoZero9, you could uninstall stuff you don't need or remove stuff like old kernels 18gb is high but if you installed a lot of stuff
[19:44] <BitOperator> man the mirrors are bogged down
[19:44] <BitOperator> im getting 15.6K
[19:44] <michaelschmid> how to force nautilus reinstall? (on shell)
[19:44] <OchoZero9> is there a way to see what's taking what space?
[19:45] <arand> cws: What does your grub.cfg look like?
[19:45] <arand> BitOperator: Use torrents if possible.
[19:45] <eoss> should i upgrade to the new ubuntu?
[19:45] <escott> michaelschmid, apt-get --reinstall install nautilus
[19:45] <arand> eoss: Your decision.
[19:45] <BitOperator> Yeah, I'll just wait it out. I've already got it installed was just looking to download final release ISO for archive
[19:45] <IdleOne> rcmaehl: please don't CTCP the channel like that.
[19:46] <cws> arand, i'll paste it in 1 sec
[19:46] <nandinux> bye bye
[19:46] <Pici> rcmaehl: or send notices.
[19:46] <eoss> is 10.10 still gonna get upgrades and what not?
[19:46] <rcmaehl> ok
[19:46] <rcmaehl> sorry
[19:46] <crescendo> metacity --replace
[19:46] <Pici> rcmaehl: I've already filed a bug against the website for that. There is no netbook edition anymore.
[19:46] <michaelschmid> escott, thanks!
[19:46] <rcmaehl> Pici: what?
[19:46] <arand> eoss: For 18months paste relese I think.
[19:46] <rcmaehl> WHAT!?
[19:47] <michaelschmid> is 11.04 LTS?
[19:47] <arand> michaelschmid: No
[19:47] <Jordan_U> rcmaehl: The "desktop" edition now uses Unity, which was the netbook shell.
[19:47] <IdleOne> rcmaehl: netbook and desktop have been merged, both use unity now.
[19:47] <rcmaehl> :(
[19:47] <ublunt> hey iam using ubuntu server 10.10 and need some assistance on troubleshooting my mail server it has suddenly stopped sending and recieving mail
[19:47] <cws> arand, here is my grub.cfg http://paste.ubuntu.com/600395/
[19:48] <Pici> ublunt: #ubuntu-server might be a better place to ask, #ubuntu is rather busy today due to the release.
[19:48] <Xonix> Fetching the updates fail because the server http://ubuntu.mirror.cambrium.nl return forbidden 403. Where can i get a other mirror?
[19:48] <ublunt> thanks
[19:48] <michaelschmid> hmmm.... nautilus won't start after reinstall.... any suggestions? :-)
[19:48] <giulia> hello
[19:48] <Jordan_U> cws: Do you have any kernels in Ubuntu 10.10's /boot/ ?
[19:49] <giulia> I'm trying to find out the md5 sum for the dvd image of the Ubuntu 11.04
[19:49] <giulia> any idea on where can I find it ?
[19:49] <crescendo> I've had to kill compiz during the upgrade, it was stuck in a loop -- now how do I start metacity to gain access to my windows again?
[19:49] <ceninan> upgraded to 11.04 and now I get a black screen at boot (under recovery mode I see a bit of scrolling text, then black); ATI Mobility HD3470
[19:49] <vandamsel> my installation of 11.04 has hung at "could not find module nvidia_current" after all them painfully slow updates :p
[19:49] <tdn> I have just downloaded ubuntu desktop iso. I created a bootable USB with it. However, when booting it, I get error: ubentry1: file not found
[19:49] <cws> Jordan_U, no
[19:49] <Leo> escott: Probably, though I'm not sure what key length etc. I need. Apparently I can also just try using a PSK password rather than an RSA key. But I was hoping I would be able to get a basic ipsec connection up  as a test before I had to start worrying about crypto settings. :(
[19:49] <Pici> giulia: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/release/MD5SUMS
[19:49] <tdn> How do I fix this?
[19:49] <traskers> Is there a way to easily organise the items in the Unity launcher? (I'm using 2D, if that makes a difference)
[19:50] <giulia> thanks :)
[19:50] <nutsfornatty> traskers: click and hold on the icons, they will float. move at will :-)
[19:50] <Jordan_U> cws: If there are no kernels then there will be no menu entries. Do you know why your Ubuntu 10.10 install has no kernels in its /boot/?
[19:50] <escott> Leo, yeah i don't know ipsec or why that would hang
[19:50] <traskers> nutsfornatty, ah, okay, thank you very much!
[19:50] <aravinda> Hi..
[19:50] <ceninan> system doesn't appear to respond to any keyboard shortcuts (that I know of)
[19:50] <cws> Jordan_U, I had my /boot on another patition
[19:50] <michaelschmid> ceninan, i had the same (or quite similar)... after trying a bit i found out, that it worked with classic view... but now my installation is boggous and natulis won't work
[19:51] <sebsebseb> vandamsel: right yeah ok
[19:51] <sebsebseb> vandamsel: if you look in additioanl drivers, does it say the driver is installed and activiated or what?
[19:51] <sebsebseb> the propritary driver
[19:51] <ceninan> michaelschmid, classic view?
[19:51] <jumpa> Hello. I've just updated to ubuntu 11.04. But the menus of firefox and thunderbird aren't displayed in the indicator-appmenu. I think it's related to the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/firefox/+bug/637827, which has been marked as fixed. Neither removing thunderbird-globalmenu nor reinstalling it helped. Any hint?
[19:51] <aravinda> I'm using ubuntu 10.10 and i have a issue with sounds..
[19:51] <Jordan_U> cws: Does that partition still exist? Are you still using it as the /boot/ for Ubuntu 10.10?
[19:51] <michaelschmid> on login
[19:51] <tdn> What should the md5sum of the desktop iso be?
[19:51] <ceninan> I can't login
[19:51] <michaelschmid> you use gnome instead of unity
[19:51] <sebsebseb> !md5sum | tdn
[19:51] <tdn> 8b1085bed498b82ef1485ef19074c281?
[19:51] <sebsebseb> !hashes | tdn
[19:51] <IdleOne> !hashes | tdn
[19:51] <ceninan> the system locks before I can interact with it
[19:51] <michaelschmid> ceninan, you don't even have login?
[19:52] <ceninan> nope
[19:52] <cws> Jordan_U, no i installed the new /boot onto that patition... Was that wrong?
[19:52] <michaelschmid> :-(
[19:52] <sebsebseb> cws: Unity?
[19:52] <IdleOne> tdn: compare against the hash on the above link
[19:52] <Jordan_U> cws: Yes.
[19:52] <cws> sebsebseb, Yes i use Unity.. Why?
[19:52] <tdn> sebsebseb, what page does not have the hashes for 11.04
[19:52] <vandamsel> sebsebseb: ah speak of the devil. its started working after hanging there >1 hour
[19:52] <Jordan_U> cws: Why do you have a separate /boot/ partition in the first place?
[19:52] <michaelschmid> maybe you can do something over ssh? from another machine?
[19:52] <tdn> IdleOne, unfortuneately not :(
[19:52] <sebsebseb> cws: ok I think I know why
[19:53] <IdleOne> tdn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes this one
[19:53] <sebsebseb> vandamsel: right, but I think you got a issue with teh propritary driver?
[19:53] <ceninan> michaelschmid, perhaps; may as well salvage the pieces and reinstall if there is no known/easy solution
[19:53] <cws> Jordan_U, because i thought that it was the way to do it :-(
[19:53] <sebsebseb> vandamsel: Unity was froozen?  like cws
[19:53] <tdn> IdleOne, I know, it only has old hashes.
[19:53] <IdleOne> tdn: hmm you are right.
[19:53] <tdn> IdleOne, not the new ones.
[19:53] <aravinda> error message gives when i click "sounds " from preferences saying that "waiting for sound system to respond" and i can't open system sounds control center...how to resolve this problem..can some one help me
[19:53] <IdleOne> tdn: let me search a little
[19:53] <coolman> hello
[19:53] <nutsfornatty> the new ati driver is working nicely for me (full unity, lower system temps)
[19:53] <hobbsc> anyone have trouble with icons not showing up in the launcher?  neither gvim nor tasque have icons when i open them
[19:53] <cws> sebsebseb, my Unity works fine
[19:54] <rcmaehl> ops, may I ask a somewhat offtopic question?
[19:54] <Jordan_U> cws: Separate /boot partitions are only needed in specific circumstances.
[19:54] <vandamsel> sebsebseb: its just booting for the first time now. ill install the additional drivers and see if i have any issues :)
[19:54] <LAcan_> rcmaehl, just ask
[19:54] <Jordan_U> !ot | rcmaehl
[19:54] <nutsfornatty> i think some apps dont have launcher icons yet?
[19:54] <coolman> for some reason, the upgrade to 11.04 just stopped downloading and i had to redo it!
[19:54] <sebsebseb> vandamsel: uhmm was Unity froozen, for an hour or so on your desktop?
[19:54] <Pici> LAcan_: No, We have less busy channels for that,
[19:54] <IdleOne> tdn: http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Ubuntu/11.04/MD5SUMS
[19:54] <Leo> escott: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1441977 suggests it might be due to to a lack of randomness. But I've logged in to the console of the server and hammered on tetris for a few minutes, and still the thing doesn't seem to make any progress. So either the 10.10 openswan package is bugged or I don'k know enoguh about keeping /dev/random full.
[19:55] <LAcan_> Pici, but like.. how do we even know its actually offtopic?
[19:55] <cws> Jordan_U: ok, do you know if i can recover my ubuntu 10.10 system?
[19:55] <DoeNietWil> anyone else has the problem that some windows turn white?
[19:55] <Jordan_U> cws: You can.
[19:55] <tdn> IdleOne, it seems right.
[19:55] <IdleOne> LAcan: by his stating it was
[19:55] <eiriksvin> anyone know how to put the launcher bar at the bottom on Natty?
[19:55] <fritsch> Anyone else has a problem with xhci_hcd timeout and mouse / keyboard stop working with the natty kernel?
[19:55] <escott> Leo, if its a really big key it might require a lot of randomness, and if the server is misconfigured in some way it may not be accepting enough sources of entropy
[19:55] <tdn> IdleOne, when I boot it from a USB it gives me the error: ubnentry1: file not found
[19:55] <rcmaehl> It's a question about if people want to play a game while updating to 11.04
[19:55] <vandamsel> sebsebseb: the actual installation hung on the same output for over an hour, nothing appeared to be downloading so i dunno why it took so long.
[19:55] <tdn> What to do?
[19:55] <Jordan_U> cws: Chroot into your install, remove the /boot/ partition from /etc/fstab, and re-install your kernel packages.
[19:55] <nutsfornatty> eiriksvin, laucher cannot be moved atm, yes i know that sucks a bit
[19:56] <Pici> LAcan_: Because he said it was an offtopic question.
[19:56] <werever> Hi escott, hows going your day?
[19:56] <escott> Leo, cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail
[19:56] <sebsebseb> vandamsel: oh ok, not Unity being froozen then
[19:56] <syntheticLife> hey is it taking anyone else like 9 hours for updates to download?
[19:56] <escott> werever, good you?
[19:56] <sebsebseb> syntheticLife: sounds like the repos are slow since it's release day
[19:56] <sebsebseb> !slow | syntheticLife
[19:56] <nutsfornatty> servers getting hammered
[19:56] <aravinda> i use ubuntu 10.10...error message gives when i click "sounds " from preferences saying that "waiting for sound system to respond" and i can't open system sounds control center...how to resolve this problem..can some one help me
[19:56] <werever> nice, now working only with linux and all is ok
[19:56] <IdleOne> tdn: make a new USB install.
[19:56] <coolman> syntheticlife:yea but mine said "1 Day and 14 hrs. remaining"!
[19:56] <Leo> escott: seems likely.
[19:56] <sebsebseb> !slow | coolman
[19:56] <tdn> IdleOne, I just did. Same thing.
[19:57] <tdn> IdleOne, I have verified that the md5sum is correct.
[19:57] <IdleOne> tdn: not sure how to help you sorry.
[19:57] <syntheticLife> if i torrent can i still do upgrade instead of a new install?
[19:57] <nutsfornatty> i waited 9minutes for a 1mb file. thats release day for you
[19:57] <Leo> escott: sudo cat  /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail gives me 135
[19:57] <sebsebseb> syntheticLife: no you don't upgrade using a torrent, you can get the ISO from a torrent
[19:57] <IdleOne> tdn: someone else might know. state your issue again.
[19:57] <coolman> sebsebseb: what does that mean
[19:57] <phoque_uni> syntheticLife, you need to download the alternative ISO
[19:57] <phoque_uni> burn it or mount it
[19:57] <cws> Jordan_U: isn't there a simpler way? With a ubuntu 10.10 live cd for example?
[19:57] <sebsebseb> coolman: what does what mean?
[19:57] <phoque_uni> and upgrade from that
[19:57] <nutsfornatty> torrent iso -> burn iso to DVD or usb key -> install as either upgrade or clean install
[19:58] <eiriksvin> nutsfornatty> yeah they give a bunch of options with that downloadable plugin, but why wouldnt they just give an option of where to put that monstrosity
[19:58] <phoque_uni> it'll ask you to download updates while upgrading
[19:58] <coolman> the !slow thing
[19:58] <phoque_uni> don't do that, they're 900 MBytes in size
[19:58] <shane4ubuntu> finally got my iso downloaded (via torrent on my slow dsl), going to re-install  have fun you people with slow upgrades. ;)
[19:58] <sebsebseb> syntheticLife: and  with 11.04 you can upgrade  your 10.10 install to 11.04 it seems using the ISO
[19:58] <phoque_uni> :-)
[19:58] <werever> escott, nice, now working only with linux and all is ok,  I am trying to update my 10.10 to 11.04 but update manager ask me to insert 10.10 into a cdrom ¿is mandatory this step?, I have 10.10 only in a flash memory, I dont burn cds never
[19:58] <syntheticLife> okay thanks sebsebseb
[19:58] <sebsebseb> syntheticLife: well CD I should say once you got the contents of the ISO burnt to it
[19:58] <Leo> escott: The openswan book suggests that OpenSWAN does a 2192-bit RSA key by default.
[19:58] <escott> Leo, lol now you have to figure out what units that is
[19:59] <escott> werever, shouldn't be. its not the best day to do it... the servers are being hammered
[19:59] <tdn> When I boot the 11.04 iso from a USB it gives me the error: ubnentry1: file not found. How do I fix this? I have verified that the md5sum is correct.
[19:59] <nutsfornatty> eiriksvin, do trust. we had a big conversation about the lack of unity customization atm. im sure someone will create a way to move the launcher within a month (hacked or official)
[19:59] <sebsebseb> coolman: on releae day,  many Ubuntu fans download the new release, as a result,  the servers  tend to get slow, be that for the ISO's,  or the repos/resporitories for Ubuntu
[19:59] <werever> escott, I understand
[19:59] <syntheticLife> durn, was waiting till my exams were done to install, now i have to wait longer!
[19:59] <jo-erlend> tdn, #Ubuntu+1 is probably better for that question.
[20:00] <sebsebseb> tdn: jo-erlend #ubuntu+1 is closed for now, this is 11.04 now as well
[20:00] <IdleOne> jo-erlend: nope this is the correct channe;
[20:00] <escott> jo-erlend, +1 is closed now
[20:00] <jo-erlend> oh. Sorry.
[20:00] <IdleOne> channel*
[20:00] <coolman> sebsebseb: it just came out TODAY?!?!?
[20:00] <sebsebseb> coolman: yes
[20:00] <jo-erlend> oh! It's release day :)
[20:00] <sebsebseb> coolman: 11.04 got released earlier today
[20:00] <jo-erlend> I'm moving house so I had completely forgotten! That's a first...
[20:00] <proq> yeah, about 9 hours ago
[20:00] <aravinda> error message gives when i click "sounds " from preferences saying that "waiting for sound system to respond" and i can't open system sounds control center...how to resolve this problem..can some one help me
[20:00] <nutsfornatty> if you want new ubuntu quickest, always preload the beta then do the system updates to final release. too late now for that strategy to work though haha
[20:01] <coolman> sebsebseb: wow. i thought it came out on the 4th!
[20:01] <fritsch> aravinda: tried rebooting?
[20:01] <tdn> jo-erlend, 11.04 is released now.
[20:01] <sebsebseb> coolman: no, but Gnome 3 came out on the 6th of April :)
[20:01] <syntheticLife> yea I know but the alpha was available, didnt want to get distracted by it
[20:01] <aravinda> done verything
[20:01] <shane4ubuntu> jo-erlend: that happened to me with the last release, I didn't even find out till a week after! :)
[20:01] <fritsch> aravinda: could be a pulse audio issue hanging in another session
[20:01] <aravinda> i mean general stuff
[20:01] <fritsch> aravinda: pulseaudio running?
[20:01] <coolman> sebsebseb: thanks so much! *leaves*
[20:01] <escott> !final | escott
[20:01] <eiriksvin> well, how do i go to classic desktop mode until then?
[20:01] <sburjan`> too bad Unity doesn't work on VmWare :(
[20:01] <aravinda> i dnt know
[20:01] <aravinda> how to check that
[20:01] <sebsebseb> sburjan`: well not sure about VMware, but it can work with Virtualbox :)
[20:01] <jo-erlend> shane4ubuntu, yes, I've been using it for a while, so... The release isn't that important to me. But this is offtopic. Sorry.
[20:01] <proq> why? does unity use opengl?
[20:02]  * Greek_o_nikos upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04
[20:02] <eiriksvin> id there a way to use natty, but looking like Maveric?
[20:02] <nutsfornatty> eiriksvin, on the login screen. look at the bottom bar. change "ubuntu" to "ubuntu classic" and login. done
[20:02] <sebsebseb> proq: for some effects, that's why it uses Compiz
[20:02] <jo-erlend> proq, Unity uses Compiz.
[20:02] <werever> escott, I downloaded full iso final 11.04, is possible update from this iso?
[20:02] <fritsch> aravinda: press "alt F2"
[20:02] <fritsch> aravinda: and type: pulseaudio &
[20:02] <eiriksvin> will it do that for my profile only?
[20:02] <regeya> the thing to remember about Gnome 3 being released on the 6th of April is that, because different distros work differently, and because now more eyeballs will be on it, there will be some lag before distros have it as part of their stable releases :-)
[20:02] <fritsch> aravinda: after that, retry opening the sound stuff
[20:02] <sebsebseb> proq: however there's also already the Unity 2D version which you can get from a ppa, made with Qt what KDE uses, and that will probably be the default fall back for 11.10 instead of Gnome 2 with their Ubuntu specific changes
[20:02] <escott> werever, if you add its package archive to your list of apt archives you should be able to use it
[20:02] <syntheticLife> werever: apparently possible to update from iso
[20:03] <jo-erlend> werever, the desktop  cd can't be used as a local archive like the alternate cd can. It uses other techniques to install the system very quickly, but that isn't compatible with apt.
[20:03] <Leo> escott: A Google search seems to suggest that the unit is bits. Yes, that's what man random says too, I think.
[20:03] <nutsfornatty> eiriksvin, yes. i have 2 profiles 1 unity and 1 classic. the change is instant and you can easily switch back and foward
[20:03] <aravinda> fritsch: it doesnt work
[20:03] <Emasarn> I went to download Ubuntu, but i could not figure out which iso to donwload
[20:03] <regeya> I'm actually surprised at how close unity 2d is to the functionality of unity 3d
[20:03] <arand> sebsebseb: unity-2d is in main..
[20:03] <sebsebseb> arand: is it?  hmm it was a ppa
[20:03] <werever> jo-erlend: then If i want to update, I need to download alternative iso?
[20:03] <fritsch> aravinda: try "alt F2" and afterwards: pulseaudio -d
[20:03] <escott> Leo, that seems pretty low check your entropy sources
[20:04] <jo-erlend> werever, or directly from the servers?
[20:04] <shane4ubuntu> nutsfornatty: how do you switch back and forth?
[20:04] <arand> sebsebseb: Must've been early in the cycle..
[20:04] <KillaloT> I'm trying to update to 11.04 on my Eee PC 901 but it says that the upgrade will take 8 hours.... (was 11 hours about 30 minutes ago) .. I feel like the system has been running slow lately, so i think i will need a full re-install.. But how do i cancel the upgrade?
[20:04] <MrStein> apt-get package download with and without apt-p2p is slow. Is there anything that I can do ir just wait until the rush is over?
[20:04] <sebsebseb> arand: I thought it was still a ppa, but ok that's good if it's in the main repo
[20:04] <escott> Leo, I have 600
[20:04] <MrStein> ir=or
[20:04] <jo-erlend> Emasarn, if you have a PC with 2-3GB RAM, then 32bit is the best one. If you have more RAM, or expect to have more RAM in the future, you need the 64bit one.
[20:04] <aravinda> fritsch :nop
[20:04] <fritsch> aravinda: if this does not work, killing pulseaudio and restarting would be an idea.
[20:04] <somethingelse> so are people planning on actively working on unity while this release is in the wild?
[20:04] <pdebruic> any issues with broadcom 4311 wifi cards not being detected after updating from Maverick?  Mine is not detected.
[20:04] <nutsfornatty> shane4ubuntu, go to the login screen. look at the bottom bar of that screen. change "ubuntu" to "ubuntu classic" and login. repeat to switch back. very easy but easily overlooked.
[20:04] <fritsch> aravinda: run the command: pulseaudio -k
[20:04] <escott> Leo, and now i have like 100 :)
[20:05] <r000t> Hello. I'm having serious input lag issues after upgrading, but I'm not sure which package is causing the problem, thus making it difficult to report the bug. What should I do now?
[20:05] <fritsch> aravinda: afterwards pulseaudio -d
[20:05] <shane4ubuntu> MrStein: probably just wait till the rush is over. :(
[20:05] <sebsebseb> somethingelse: sure Canonical's team will still continue work on it for 11.10
[20:05] <fritsch> and retry
[20:05] <pdebruic> MrStein: check that you are access the Best Server for your area of the world
[20:05] <Monotoko> guys...if I upgrade my motherboard and CPU will ubuntu still play nicely...?
[20:05] <Monotoko> or will I need to reinstall?
[20:05] <fritsch> Monotoko: it will
[20:05] <acicula> Monotoko: it should work just fine
[20:05] <somethingelse> sebsebseb, are we going to see those improvements?  It's completely unusable right now
[20:05] <MrStein> pdebruic: with p2p I access tons of servers at same time
[20:05] <Monotoko> awesome
[20:05] <werever> jo-erlend: I tried but update manager ask me for cd rom of 10.10 version, i have this iso on my usb device, is mandarory insert 10.10 cdrom?
[20:05] <fritsch> Monotoko: you do not have to reinstall, it is not windows :-)
[20:05] <jo-erlend> somethingelse, sure. There are many improvements to be made. I expect that's why they wanted to introduce it in this release, so they have another normal release to polish before the next LTS cycle.
[20:05] <aravinda> fritsch:done
[20:05] <sebsebseb> somethingelse: the development versiosn of 11.10, will get the improvements to Unity yes
[20:05] <shane4ubuntu> nutsfornatty: ahh, ok, I thought there was an even quicker way the way you had mentioned it, thanks.
[20:05] <Monotoko> I do have Windows too...will that need a reinstall?
[20:05] <sebsebseb> shane4ubuntu: developmetn versions
[20:05] <fritsch> aravinda: does not work, or does it?
[20:05] <mkquist> KillaloT: if you going to reinstall anyway, I don't think it matters 'how' you stop it
[20:05] <sebsebseb> shane4ubuntu: it's unuseable right now, how so?
[20:05] <MrStein> pdebruic: on the other hand it is worth a try. Which tool is for the server speed check?
[20:05] <acicula> Monotoko: windows probably will need a reinstall/reactivation yeah
[20:06] <aravinda> fritsch:but problem remains
[20:06] <Monotoko> >.<
[20:06] <Emasarn> jo-erlend, I have an Intel 64, but the 64 bit version seems to only be available for amd?
[20:06] <pdebruic> yeah but that depends on those servers having a good connnection and the file.  Might also check that the default http server is best for you.
[20:06] <shane4ubuntu> sebsebseb: ??  I think you got the wrong guy! :)  How's it going though!
[20:06] <acicula> Monotoko: just try first and see what happens
[20:06] <sebsebseb> shane4ubuntu: also if you find Unity unusable or whatever, give Gnoem Shell a try ;)  the new interface for Gnome 3 the default proper one :)
[20:06] <jo-erlend> werever, no. Look in your archive settings and maybe remove it. You do have an installed system, yes?
[20:06] <fritsch> aravinda: sorry, no idea from here - did it ever work bevore?
[20:06] <Monotoko> this is one of those times I wish I didn't need to rely on Windows
[20:06] <sebsebseb> shane4ubuntu: oh yeah I did
[20:06] <aravinda> fritsch: its ok thanks
[20:06] <MrStein> Emasarn: 64 bit is for both Intel and AMD (and VIA)
[20:06] <sebsebseb> somethingelse: see above was messging wrong guy again
[20:06] <jo-erlend> Emasarn, ah. No, forget that. It works well on both.
[20:06] <r000t> Emasarn, that's because AMD made the x64 standard. It will work fine with Intel chips
[20:06] <aravinda> fritsch : it works
[20:06] <shane4ubuntu> sebsebseb: I have already previewed unity and already plan on sticking with gnome though. :)
[20:06] <nutsfornatty> unity is great but you do have to change the way you think about opening/moving/organizing your desktop apps
[20:06] <jo-erlend> Emasarn, it's just that Intel had some strange ideas back in the days.
[20:07] <Emasarn> Thank you all :)
[20:07] <somethingelse> sebsebseb, are they going to continue developing unity even after gnome 3 is done?  It seems the two have similar goals
[20:07] <[dlp]> Fuck me this place is busy.
[20:07] <pdebruic> MrStein: http://blog.hafees.com/linux/ubuntu-change-download-server-and-fix-slow-updates/
[20:07] <Monotoko> is there anything like World Of Warcraft native to Linux?
[20:07] <acicula> [dlp]: filter all the channel events and its easier to read
[20:07] <aravinda> fritsch: But when i installed skype
[20:07] <aravinda> it went wrong
[20:07] <jo-erlend> nutsfornatty, yes, you do. I got used to it very quickly though, and I'll never look back. But there are still improvements to be made.
[20:07] <nutsfornatty> give unity a full week of use (and make sure you know the keyboard shortcuts) and i think most people will be ok with it
[20:07] <escott> Monotoko, thought WoW had a linux client
[20:07] <shane4ubuntu> !language | [dlp]
[20:07] <werever> jo-erlend: I am not sure what do you mean with "archive settings", and yes I have ubuntu 10.10 as single OS on my lap, no partitions, no dual boot, no windows
[20:07] <acicula> Monotoko: nope, but you can run it using the wine program
[20:07] <r000t> Backspace key especially is laggy, like whole seconds between when I use it and when it decides to work
[20:07] <somethingelse> sebsebseb, just seems like a strange interface choice...I actually had to uninstall unity on a netbook last release because it was taking up all the horizontal space and causing scrollbars on all webpages
[20:07]  * [dlp] hangs his head in shame
[20:07] <Monotoko> escott..nope, they dropped it years ago
[20:07] <fritsch> aravinda: is skype currently running? could block your sound device
[20:07] <sebsebseb> somethingelse: they do,  really  Gnome Shell is the proper version since that's from upstream Gnome, but Canonical wanted to do their own interface that was originally going to be for netbooks only  so yeah 10.10, but can use that on a desktop even :)   and  then it was decided that starting with 11.04 they would make for desktops as well, instead of going with Gnome Shell by default
[20:07] <acicula> !wine | Monotoko look here,
[20:07] <jo-erlend> werever, ok. I'm not sure why it'
[20:07] <aravinda> no i uninstalled it
[20:08] <NucleusDentatus> How do I get back Visual Settings tab from Appearance Properties?
[20:08] <Monotoko> acicula, I know, it doesn't run well in Wine
[20:08] <echo2> has anyone figured out how to get unity working in vmware
[20:08] <Monotoko> that;s why I need Windows
[20:08] <Emasarn> I cant wait to get rid of this windows instrall
[20:08] <kubanc> how come i cannot move program window from one monitor to another ( dual display function ). i'm usting ubuntu 10.04 and i have compiz enabled
[20:08] <fritsch> aravinda: nskype does not change any system settings concerning audio
[20:08] <sebsebseb> somethingelse: upstream Gnome, and Canonical had similar, but also differnet idea's on what they wanted for an interface, so yep both
[20:08] <jo-erlend> werever, why it'd ask for CD then. But you can configure which sources to use. It's in System > Administration > Software Sources.
[20:08] <acicula> Monotoko: WoW doesnt run in wine? it has platinum support afaik
[20:08] <shane4ubuntu> sebsebseb: is gnome shell the same as gnome desktop?
[20:08] <aravinda> skype also doesn't work
[20:08] <acicula> Monotoko:  http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20549 look here
[20:08] <arand> kubanc: They may be treated as different workspaces?
[20:09] <nutsfornatty> im almost sure WoW works in wine
[20:09] <echo2> has anyone figured out how to get unity working in vmware
[20:09] <sebsebseb> shane4ubuntu: Gnome Shell is the new interface for Gnome 3 :)  http://gnome3.org
[20:09] <Monotoko> acicula, it should have...it runs just very very slowly for me
[20:09] <kubanc> arand, by whom? compiz ?
[20:09] <shane4ubuntu> sebsebseb: ahh, ok
[20:09] <somethingelse> sebsebseb, so are they going to try to reconcile those?  seems like a pretty strange thing to have two different versions of the same thing floating around... I'm still not sure why they didn't just pump more manhours through docky, which appears to be more stable and usable than this unity thing is
[20:09] <aravinda> i can't remember i think i havw done something with pulseaudio
[20:09] <aravinda> *have
[20:09] <acicula> Monotoko: did you install any hardware drivers using the hardware driver tool?
[20:09] <Leo> escott: Do you know how I can check what my sources of entropy are? man random says to use  sysctl kern.random but that gets me the message "error: "kern.random" is an unknown key"
[20:09] <Monotoko> acicula, yeah...graphics drivers
[20:09] <acicula> Monotoko: what gpu do you have?
[20:09] <aravinda> fritsch :that may be the reason
[20:09] <nutsfornatty> i miss docky, unity needs proper docky like widget imo. but no point in having TWO docks (unity + docky) at the same time
[20:10] <Monotoko> acicula, ASUS 5750 or something I think
[20:10] <sebsebseb> shane4ubuntu: Unity is currenlty on top of Gnome 2 in 11.04, but will be on top of Gnome 3 for 11.10  whilst being used instead of Gnome Shell by default.  and with 11.10 people should be able to install the uhmm 100% proper Gnome 3 expereince from the repo's no problem.  where as with 11.04 Gnome 3 is an optional ppa, which lacks a few things
[20:10] <[dlp]> I've lost my hardware graphics support.
[20:10] <Monotoko> 1GB cache memory
[20:10] <Monotoko> cost me about £60 last year
[20:10] <acicula>  Monotoko hmm that should be able to run it just fine
[20:10] <arand> kubanc: Oh, I misread the version.. Hmm, I don't know I'm afraid..
[20:10] <skulltip> backintime is very cool, hope i wont have to learn how to restore from it with the upgrade 99
[20:10] <jo-erlend> somethingelse, you're arguing about shells? They'll all be available in 11.10. It's not possible to provide gnome shell yet, for purely technical reasons, but we'll get there. And they'll have different strengths.
[20:10] <Monotoko> acicula, it's perfect in Windows...runs like a beast
[20:10] <[dlp]> And encfs doesn't work properly (but then it never did). My hacks have been undone.
[20:10] <macross> wow
[20:10] <Monotoko> its just it seems to have a problem with Wine
[20:10] <macross> i must say
[20:10] <galamar> Hello, I'm having an issue with open windows opening at the very top of the screen and I can't grab the top bar to move the window because its off screen. Also the alt to grab isn't working.
[20:10] <sebsebseb> somethingelse: look t the message I just sent shane4ubuntu as well :)
[20:11] <acicula> Monotoko: idk, it may require some fiddling to get it work properly, check the winehq thread/ubuntu forums, pretty sure there are a fair few wow users in the ubuntu community
[20:11] <macross> great job on 11 ...if they meant to destroy anything good about the window manager
[20:11] <macross> awesome job!
[20:11] <sebsebseb> macross: heh
[20:11] <shane4ubuntu> sebsebseb: right I was playing with gnome3 a little in my little spare time, but didn't get far, thanks for the info.
[20:11] <jo-erlend> galamar, you don't need to. Press alt, click anywhere in the window and drag it around. :)
[20:11] <[dlp]> Graphics didn't involve any hacking, so that's worrying :-s
[20:11] <Monotoko> acicula, I'l try again...it has been a year since I tried
[20:11] <macross> compiz is gne wondow managing is gone
[20:11] <somethingelse> jo-erlend, I'm just wondering why this change has been forced on desktop users when it doesn't appear to have anything to do with us, are there a lot of people running ubuntu on a touchscreen device?  AFAIK there isn't even a ubuntu touchscreen device in existence...
[20:11] <macross> in place of a beta ubuntu app
[20:11] <echo2> has anyone figured out how to get unity working in vmware
[20:11] <syntheticLife> macross: they didn t change the window manager
[20:11] <macross> perfect
[20:11] <echo2> answer the question
[20:11] <acicula> !patience
[20:11] <Starminn> Monotoko: I've heard WoW runs faster in Ubuntu from those of my friends who play it.
[20:12] <aravinda> Does any body know about the error messege " waiting from sound system to respond" ???
[20:12] <escott> Leo, no but typing into an ssh shell may not do anything for entropy because it doesn't generate any kernel traffic (beyond the NIC) and the NIC might be invalidated because it is outside accessible and potentially hostile
[20:12] <macross> well i have no window manager now
[20:12] <jo-erlend> somethingelse, there are. But what are you talking about? The classic ubuntu desktop experience is installed by default in 11.04. Just choose it from the login screen.
[20:12] <macross> i can't move anything
[20:12] <acicula> echo2: does the metacity window manager work within vmware?
[20:12] <Starminn> macross: Are you using Metacity or Compiz?
[20:12] <Monotoko> Starminn, may just need an upgrade for my mobo and CPU...they are lacking behind a lil bit these days
[20:12] <escott> Leo, see if you can generate disk io
[20:12] <macross> compiz
[20:12] <macross> i was using compiz
[20:12] <werever> jo-erlend: Done, I found where software sources option is, is within update manager under settings button,  thanks!
[20:12] <sebsebseb> somethingelse: no upstream Gnome and Canonical are moving more away more from each other, since the new interfaces,  under the hood Ubuntu will still be using well the rest of Gnome.  Unity is going to be the interface by default for Ubuntu, for a very long time I expect, unless loads of users don't like it or something.
[20:12] <echo2> compiz does
[20:12] <macross> now it's gone
[20:12] <galamar> jo-erlend, I mentioned that alt grab is not working either.
[20:12] <acicula> Monotoko: what do you have now?
[20:12] <arand> macross: Unity uses compiz, by the way..
[20:12] <macross> i can't click on anything i was totally surprised this works
[20:12] <somethingelse> jo-erlend, I'm running the standard session right now after an hour or two of being frustrated with even the most minor modifications to the unity bar (adding new applications to it), but I'm worried that in future versions users not using unity will be shoved out the door or disregarded, I want somewhere to voice my opinion
[20:12] <shane4ubuntu> be back after a clean install.
[20:13] <BinaryMan> I gotta ask a super important question. I'm using Lucid x86_64 on my primary machine (consider it a production machine). Hard drive is encrypted with LUKS. Should I upgrade to Natty or will things possibly break?
[20:13] <acicula> echo2: what does not work with the unity manager in vmware?
[20:13] <Monotoko> acicula, dual core, 2.6Ghz intel 775
[20:13] <macross> unity is just terrible nothing is working
[20:13] <Starminn> Monotoko: Well, if your processor is slow then running something like WoW is going to be *very* slow. Ask in ##hardware to see if it might be your computer or Ubuntu. That way we have it narrowed down a bit.
[20:13] <jo-erlend> somethingelse, oh. Sorry. I should've seen that. Are you using Unity?
[20:13] <acicula> BinaryMan: do we need to consult our crystal ball, or is this a random guess
[20:13] <FreeTheBee> Hi, does anyone know if texlive is part of the default install in natty?
[20:13] <r000t> I'm having major keyboard lag after upgrading, what do I do?
[20:13] <Z1nn0c> What's wrong with the lastest version? Why is it loading for hours?
[20:13] <acicula> BinaryMan: if its production, test first
[20:13] <arrrghhh> hey all, is the 2.2tb limit on all 32-bit systems, or just ones that don't use GPT?  i have a 32-bit ubuntu server, and i want to add a 3tb drive...
[20:13] <BinaryMan> acicula: I can't. I don't have the same machine to play with.
[20:13] <arand> macross: Please, this channel is for support.
[20:13] <BinaryMan> Or.
[20:13] <escott> Leo, http://bredsaal.dk/improving-randomness-and-entropy-in-ubuntu-9-10
[20:13] <Tora1188> Hey all, just got 11.04 and i saw those rotating wallpaper sets. How can i make my own?
[20:13] <BinaryMan> Actually.
[20:13] <BinaryMan> I take that back.
[20:13] <sebsebseb> macross: ok has your Unity froozen?
[20:13] <FloodBot3> BinaryMan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:13] <acicula> BinaryMan: do you need to ugprade for any reason at all?
[20:13] <roasted_> Question - I can't set Chromium to be my default browser in 11.04. When I select it in the preferences menu, nothing happens. When I open Chromium, it asks me every time if I want to make it my default. Regardless of what I say, it keeps asking me each time I open it. Any ideas?
[20:14] <Raikia> is it smart to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 now?  or wait a couple weeks to get stuff ironed out? What are y'alls thoughts
[20:14] <escott> arrrghhh, gpt will avoid that limit
[20:14] <plustax> I haven't gotten a notice to upgrade my ubuntu. Im still on lucid lynx.
[20:14] <macross> i have no window manager i cannot move anything my main menu is gone i can open nothing
[20:14] <plustax> How do I upgrade now?
[20:14] <arrrghhh> escott, excellent, thanks.
[20:14] <Starminn> Raikia: Wait 2-4 weeks. That's what I'm doing.
[20:14] <sebsebseb> Raikia: not sure if it's up yet, but there was something about being able to try Ubuntu 11.04 with Unity 2D in a web browser, on the Ubuntu site
[20:14] <BinaryMan> acicula: GPU hangs at random and I have to REISUB to fix.
[20:14] <Starminn> plustax: Run the update manager
[20:14] <macross> compiz is gone i can run nothing
[20:14] <BinaryMan> acicula: integrated intel
[20:14] <Raikia> Starminn: thought so.  sebsebseb: I just got an upgrade notice.  thats why i asked
[20:14] <jo-erlend> Raikia, 10.10 will be supported for quite a while, so if you're not in a hurry, don't feel pressured. :)
[20:14] <galamar> when does natty come out?
[20:14] <macross> i need to wipe this machine and resintall 10.10
[20:14] <usr13> BinaryMan: !lts
[20:14] <acicula> BinaryMan: sandy bridge processor?
[20:14] <Monotoko> galamar, its out
[20:14] <galamar> oh
[20:14] <macross> never using 11 what a terrible change
[20:15] <sebsebseb> Raikia: in certain ways 10.10 is better, in certain waysi it's worse, and even in certain ways other dsitro's are better, but well this really does depend on the user
[20:15] <usr13> BinaryMan: | !lts
[20:15] <plustax> im running it
[20:15] <syntheticLife> thanks all
[20:15] <macross> ahh well good for trying i suppose
[20:15] <Raikia> sebsebseb: Story of linux :-P
[20:15] <macross> but copying osx was a bad idea
[20:15] <plustax> but it doesnt say I have an update up top like usual
[20:15] <usr13> !lts | BinaryMan
[20:15] <Monotoko> macross, I don't mind it tbh
[20:15] <jo-erlend> macross, takes 5 seconds to switch back in the login screen.
[20:15] <Tora1188> Can you make rotating wallpapers in unity?
[20:15] <Killerpit4e> what happened to the netbook version
[20:15] <galamar> when will upgrade manager show it?
[20:15] <arand> Z1nn0c: Please don't PM, are you using btrfs?
[20:15] <roasted_> macross, copying what?
[20:15] <Starminn> plustax: In a terminal "sudo apt-get update"
[20:15] <macross> osx
[20:15] <Starminn> plustax: Then open Update Manager again.
[20:15] <gsr> im using ubuntu 10.10, wanting to upgrade.  I ran apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, but it says there is nothing to update (and update-manager says im all up to date).  Do I need to do anything else?
[20:15] <roasted_> macross, hardly.
[20:15] <Z1nn0c> arand: Sure, the live CD is loading for hours.
[20:15] <macross> sure looks it
[20:15] <BinaryMan> acicula: don't think so. Atom N550
[20:16] <BinaryMan> usr13: i know.
[20:16] <Stameni> Is there any change to classic gnome desktop from 10.10 in 11.04 ?
[20:16] <somethingelse> jo-erlend, If there's some like voting booth or something I could go to to let everyone know that I don't think this is a good direction for the OS I would be very interested in doing so.  Unity has to be one of the least customizable things I've ever seen.  You can't even pick which screen edge to display it on (unless there's some manual hack for that I'm not aware of)
[20:16] <IdleOne> gsr: sudo do-release-upgrade
[20:16] <roasted_> macross, the global menu is similar, but works differently. That's the *only* similarity.
[20:16] <TheNumb> o/
[20:16] <jo-erlend> macross, take this somewhere else. This is very offtopic for this channel.
[20:16] <arand> Z1nn0c: I don't know.
[20:16] <Z1nn0c> arand: What is btrfs?
[20:16] <jo-erlend> Stameni, very small.
[20:16] <gsr> IdleOne: danke
[20:16] <roasted_> macross, I've used Ubuntu since 2005. Ever since I started, people somehow found in their twisted minds something to say about how Ubuntu was copying Mac. Ever. Since. Day. One.
[20:16] <Starminn> Stameni: AFAIK it uses the "Main Menu" by default but other than that it's mostly the same.
[20:16] <sebsebseb> gsr: Raikia by the way not really a good idea to try upgrading to 11.04 right now,  the repo's are apparnatly slow
[20:16] <roasted_> It's old, and a dead horse.
[20:16] <arand> Z1nn0c: A filesystem, nevermind it doesn't affect your issue
[20:16] <jo-erlend> Stameni, the appindicators have been improved and such. Default apps have obviously changed in classic ubuntu as well, but other than that, not much.
[20:16] <roasted_> The global menu, yes it's similar, but not identical. The similarities pretty much stop there.
[20:16] <sebsebseb> gsr:  Raikia since release day
[20:17] <Raikia> sebsebseb: thanks
[20:17] <roasted_> Question - I can't set Chromium to be my default browser in 11.04. When I select it in the preferences menu, nothing happens. When I open Chromium, it asks me every time if I want to make it my default. Regardless of what I say, it keeps asking me each time I open it. Any ideas?
[20:17] <tdn> Is there no netbook iso for 11.04?
[20:17] <Z1nn0c> arand: Yes, the live CD loaded to the background and still loading for hours.
[20:17] <TheNumb> Guys, have you seen a bug like that? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov7pGtys7H8
[20:17] <tdn> Where do I get the netbook iso?
[20:17] <Starminn> tdn: They've been merged into one.
[20:17] <hypetech> tdn: there is no more netbook verion
[20:17] <BinaryMan> acicula: my mistake. N455
[20:17] <hypetech> version*
[20:17] <roasted_> tdn, I think the netbook remix is gone, since its so similar to what the regular desktop is now.
[20:17] <Leo> escott: I actually used the local console (not SSH/telnet) to play tetris for just that reason. Maybe I just need to play longer. Not the worst thing to have to do. :) If that doesn't work I'll have a look at some of the alternative sources.
[20:17] <usr13> BinaryMan: In other words, for a "production" system, you are in a good place.  If it is doing what you need it to do, wait ...  That is my recommendation.  (But you could ask 3 different people and get 3 different answers, so.... for what it's worth...)
[20:17] <jo-erlend> tdn, there is no more netbook version. There is only ubuntu and ubuntu server.
[20:17] <Stameni> jo-erlend, Sta4minn, thank you. I will migrate to 11.04 classic desktop than. It can be set to default ?
[20:17] <Stameni> jo-erlend, Starminn, thank you. I will migrate to 11.04 classic desktop than. It can be set to default ?
[20:17] <tdn> Ok.
[20:17] <jo-erlend> Stameni, you just choose it whenever you login. It's at the bottom of the screen after you've selected your user.
[20:17] <Starminn> Stameni: You choose it at login. Like any other Desktop Environment.
[20:18] <tdn> Then there is a dead link on the ubuntu.com page. When you go to alternative downloads and chose bittorrent there is one for netbook and it gives 404.
[20:18] <BinaryMan> usr13: i have client machines running ubuntu in a computer lab with video issues and the issues was closed, suggest I upgrade to natty due to improved video card support.
[20:18] <sebsebseb> Starminn: you can get to Ubuntu Classic from the log in screen, and set as default, but of interest why do you want that?
[20:18] <TerryBook> why is it, that even though I told it *not* to get updates from online while using the alternate iso, it's still downloading files?
[20:18] <Stameni> but if  i dont want login screen, can gnome be default ?
[20:18] <TheRedOctober> What a painful upgrade!  Do --not-- try to enable desktop cube with ccsm
[20:18] <somethingelse> TerryBook, I noticed that too, was easily the longest part of the install
[20:18] <plustax> Starminn it said unable to lock the administration directory
[20:18] <galamar> If I downloaded a natty disc before its release date can I use that disc to install, or do I need to redownload?
[20:18] <jnlsnl_> can i run php as an user?
[20:19] <jo-erlend> tdn, URL please? Keep in mind that there are more releases alive. 10.04 and 10.10 will be available for quite a while. Those do have netbook editions.
[20:19] <BinaryMan> usr13: so, I'm banking on the hope that natty would also fix my video issues.
[20:19] <sebsebseb> Stameni: once you got Classic set as default, you can have auto log in set up, and should go into that by default :)
[20:19] <escott> jnlsnl_, php -i
[20:19] <koistinen> Hello. Am I blind or that Unity bar is completly uncustomable? E.g. I want to add also folders there, edit width etc...
[20:19] <TheNumb> jnlsnl_: like... in commandline?
[20:19] <Monotoko> TheRedOctober, I was just about too...
[20:19] <Starminn> galamar: Just update.
[20:19] <Vhozard> Is it possible to use Landscape as a normal (non-commercial) user ?
[20:19] <Ziber> Alright, my GUI on ubuntu is messed up. I have a flash drive and an ubuntu 10.10 desktop ISO. From the CLI, how can I make the flash drive bootable?
[20:19] <Stameni> sebsebseb tnx, thats good :)
[20:19] <hypetech> tdn: that link is a bug, it's been reported
[20:19] <Wickedspawn> anyone using XChat 2.8.8 on 11.04?
[20:19] <sebsebseb> koistinen: you can add other app icons on it, and that's about it I think, unless you use the compiz settings,  but yes in general it's rather uncoustomiable at the moment
[20:19] <Starminn> Ziber: Have you properly written the .iso too the drive?
[20:19] <Luke_> hey, does 11.04 support Nvida GeForce 310M ?
[20:19] <usr13> BinaryMan: It very will could, not sure.  Depends on what your particular video issues are.
[20:19] <jnlsnl_> I need to run a bash command from a php script, but the command is not executed.. i suspect because of permission issues
[20:19] <Monotoko> Wickedspawn, is that the one in the repo?
[20:19] <sebsebseb> Luke_: is that a new card or?
[20:19] <Ziber> Starminn: Well, I'm asking how to do that.
[20:20] <Wickedspawn> Monotoko: yea
[20:20] <jo-erlend> Wickedspawn, I'm using xchat from the repos. If that's 2.8.8, I am. But that's not a useful question. I'm going away now and I have no idea what you really wanted to ask.
[20:20] <Luke_> hmm... not brand new
[20:20] <BinaryMan> usr13 acicula: i'll make a dd image of /boot and the LUKS partiton. if something breaks, I can boot from a liveCD and push the images back to the hard drive like nothing ever happened.
[20:20] <Monotoko> Wickedspawn, then yeah I am
[20:20] <somethingelse> I couldn't even add a custom script to the unity launcher
[20:20] <leagris> please where can I enable compiz Ezoom in natty. Im visually impaired and it is a pain looking at the tiny everything and I am lost in the mess left by the uprgrade
[20:20] <Starminn> Ziber: What Ubuntu version are you using?
[20:20] <aravinda> Hi can some one explain , is it a good idea to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 ...if my works are completely depends on ubuntu.. i mean the job...i'm asking this because it is just released..
[20:20] <somethingelse> then I tried to add the terminal by dragging it onto the bar and it just put a gap between two icons
[20:20] <somethingelse> without anything in it
[20:20] <Ziber> Starminn: I'm on ubuntu 9.04 lts, but the GUI isnt working...
[20:20] <galamar> starwinn, i want to reinstall because my current install is not a x86_64 version its an i586 so i want to better suit my processor.
[20:20] <leagris> !ezoom
[20:20] <sebsebseb> Luke_: well not sure if there are stil quite a few issues with the propritary Nivida drivers resulting in Unity crashing, in 11.04 or not, but if so,  you could install, and then remove the propritary driver, and try the experimental I guess.
[20:20] <Starminn> Ziber: Oh.... I couldn't tell you.
[20:21] <Wickedspawn> Monotoko: every nickname I put in the Nicknames not to highlight box gets eaten.
[20:21] <Wickedspawn> jo-erlend: ^^
[20:21] <jo-erlend> aravinda, it doesn't hurt to wait. If you depend on it, I think a golden rule is to upgrade when you need to. Think why instead of why not.
[20:21] <usr13> BinaryMan: If  you have another drive, you install it as slave and clone it.
[20:21] <jdahm> escott: ok back
[20:21] <Wickedspawn> like I see no reply from them at all...
[20:21] <sebsebseb> Ziber: I think you eman 10.04 LTS?
[20:21] <r000t> aravinda, if you use your keyboard a lot, don't upgrade
[20:21] <Wickedspawn> but it is in my raw log
[20:21] <sebsebseb> Ziber: if your on 9.04 still that's not supported anymore
[20:21] <sebsebseb> sadly
[20:21] <leagris> please can you help me re-enable compiz Ezoom in natty?
[20:21] <hypetech> r000t: why do you say that
[20:21] <somethingelse> I also tried to pin the active google chrome window on the bar by selecting the pin option, and the freaking thing would never open a new chrome window ever....
[20:21] <OverTheHillAndFa> is there a unity guru here?
[20:21] <Luke_> ok then i try to install
[20:21] <hypetech> OverTheHillAndFa: what's your question
[20:21] <r000t> hypetech, major keyboard lag after upgrading
[20:21] <aravinda> ya i use keyboard very much
[20:21] <Luke_> thx for your help
[20:21] <usr13> BinaryMan: There are several things you could do to make an easy path back to where you are.
[20:21] <r000t> I have a 5 second lag when I use the backspace key
[20:22] <hypetech> r000t: I haven't had that problem :\
[20:22] <Witchsong_> OverTheHillAndFa, we'll try help the best we can, even if we are not gurus. :)
[20:22] <OchoZero9> what' sthe default install directory of applications?
[20:22] <Ziber> Well, either that, or suggestions on how to fix my GUI... My login screen doesnt show me a password prompt, so I cant login.
[20:22] <aravinda> and i work with tools like maven
[20:22] <Superstar> Can Unity be moved yet?
[20:22] <Monotoko> Wickedspawn, ahhh I don't use that feature
[20:22] <Monotoko> sorry
[20:22] <ohsix> r000t: thats an odd problem
[20:22] <jo-erlend> Superstar, moved?
[20:22] <escott> OchoZero9, /usr/bin for binaries /usr/share for resources /usr/lib for you get the ide
[20:22] <hypetech> jo-erlend: I think he means putting the dock somewhere else
[20:22] <Somelauw> awesome > kde > gnome > unity
[20:22] <Superstar> jo-erlend to the bottom of the screen
[20:22] <ohsix> r000t: what software do you use that might be doing passive grabs, or are you using an ime? or did you mess with xorg's priority
[20:22] <OverTheHillAndFa> i uninstalled unity-2d and reinstalled standard unity. now it will not load from login. only from terminal
[20:23] <hypetech> OverTheHillAndFa: have you tried "unity --reset" ?
[20:23] <jo-erlend> Superstar, no, and I don't think that's going to happen, unless we get a portrait mode. But that'd  almost certainly include other stuff as well.
[20:23] <OverTheHillAndFa> nope
[20:23] <hypetech> OverTheHillAndFa: give that a shot and see if it helps on reboot
[20:23] <Starminn> Ziber: Reinstall gdm?
[20:23] <Ziber> Could try.
[20:23] <Tora1188> can i make rotating wallpapers using unity? the gnome methods dont work anymore obviously
[20:23] <r000t> ohsix, I don't know what the first two mean, and no, I did not change xorg's priority
 : why it is ? regarding keyboard
[20:24] <sebsebseb> Tora1188: no don't think so
[20:24] <ohsix> r000t: find out what the first two mean and investigate the software you are running
[20:24] <leagris> HELP!
[20:24] <Witchsong_> Anyone know if there exists a Banshee plugin to add Spotify support?
[20:24] <sebsebseb> Tora1188: also the Gnome 2 wall papers, do work in Unity, because it's on top of Gnome 2 still for 11.04
[20:24] <Tora1188> crud. I saw those nice roating sets preloaded and thought they made it native.
[20:24] <OverTheHillAndFa> funny no one in the ayatana channel did not suggest that?
[20:24] <sebsebseb> !ask | leagris
[20:24] <leagris> why can't I use alt tab to switch app, where is compiz config
[20:24] <leagris> where do I re-enable Ezoom?
[20:24] <OchoZero9> i have over 4GB in /usr/lib is that normal?
[20:24] <hypetech> leagris: do "ccsm"
[20:24] <sebsebseb> Witchsong_: no don't think so
[20:25] <sebsebseb> Witchsong_: you can run Spotify in Wine though
[20:25] <ohsix> r000t: also paste the output of xlsclients -al to a pastebin
[20:25] <OverTheHillAndFa> hyptech: seems like it might work. will do a reboot soon
[20:25] <euclid> natty nuked my wireless, can anyone point me to a fix?
[20:25] <hypetech> OverTheHillAndFa: cool
[20:25] <ohsix> OchoZero9: did you install kde? it is normal
[20:25] <sebsebseb> !details | escott
[20:25] <aravinda> It seems new release doesn't stable enough to work in a professional environment????????
[20:25] <Tetsuo55> Witchsong_: are you heksesang?
[20:25] <Superstar> I don't understand what possessed them to put it on the left. They must be confused. Decade of computing has launches, top or bottom as the norm - ie windows 3.1-7 and osx, and they thought this would be cool or different?
[20:25] <Witchsong_> sebsebseb, I know, but I'd love to have a plugin for it in Banshee so I wouldn't have to use Wine and it would better integrate with Unity. :)
[20:25] <sebsebseb> aravinda: well persoanlly I woudn't give Unity to a business at this time :)
[20:25] <phonex01> guys im trying to open package manager and i have error said that there is something wrong in the sources.list file ?
[20:25] <phonex01> how can i fix that ?
[20:25] <Witchsong_> Tetsuo55, yes. :)
[20:26] <Tetsuo55> Witchsong_: where you been man, join the mpc chan
[20:26] <hypetech> Superstar: start menus have always been in top left or bottom left
[20:26] <OverTheHillAndFa> hyptech: now it just says: Setting Update "run_key" in terminal. should i just wait?
[20:26] <OchoZero9> ohsix: Yes.
[20:26] <sebsebseb> Tetsuo55: mpc chan?
[20:26] <aravinda> sebsebseb : so it's better wait..:)
[20:26] <hypetech> OverTheHillAndFa: yea just let it finish, I interrupted mine the other day and rebooted anyway and all was fine, but I'd try and let it finish anyway
[20:26] <Superstar> hypetech but a launcher has never. unity is a launcher not just a start menu
[20:26] <Tetsuo55> sebsebseb: #mpc-hc its a windows media player, doesnt work on wine right now
[20:27] <Witchsong_> Tetsuo55, been busy, getting ready to finish my bachelor degree. In two months I will finally be done. :D
[20:27] <OverTheHillAndFa> hyptech: ok, thanks :)
[20:27] <Tetsuo55> Witchsong_: and then full-time coding on mpc-hc? :P
[20:27] <sebsebseb> asmogator:  if I was running a business I would  more likely give them Gnome Shell http://gnome3.org ,but I think for now Gnome 2 and KDE and such, would be more suitable, and for quite a while yet really
[20:27] <Witchsong_> sebsebseb, it was directed at me, I've been doing some coding on the player. ;)
[20:27] <Witchsong_> Tetsuo55, if you're willing to pay me. :P
[20:28] <galamar> ok so how do i get my current install to recognize that natty is available?
[20:28] <Tetsuo55> Witchsong_: i can you in "gratitudes", that work for you?
[20:28] <Superstar> Actually I've changed my mind reading this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/33605/can-i-move-the-unity-launcher-to-the-bottom-of-the-screen-like-windows-7
[20:28] <r000t> ohsix, http://pastebin.com/dC4B8hpK
[20:28] <FreeTheBee> Withong_ a bit more sober than banshee but mopidy works natively
[20:28] <sebsebseb> galamar: Which version is your curren install?
[20:28] <FreeTheBee> it's based on mpd (music player deamon)
[20:28] <galamar> 10.10
[20:28] <Witchsong_> Tetsuo55, it doesn't taste as good as the food I'd get if I had money. :P
[20:28] <iksik> hello
[20:28] <sebsebseb> !upgrade | galamar
[20:28] <aravinda> thanks!
[20:28] <sebsebseb> galamar: trying to upgrade now would probably be pretty slow by the way
[20:28] <Tetsuo55> Witchsong_: true
[20:29] <Superstar> it's true on a 1920x1080 display i have a lot of horizontal space that never gets used. i take it back
[20:29] <iksik> i've just updated my ubuntu into 11.04.... how can i remove this unity panel with apps icons? i really like 'docky' ;/
[20:29] <Witchsong_> Anyone here know how much work it would be to write a Spotify plugin for Banshee?
[20:29] <galamar> so I should wait to upgrade/
[20:29] <iksik> and the default apps menu under 'gnome icon'
[20:29] <Tetsuo55> anyoen here happen to have a dell e6400 and installed 10.04 problemfree?
[20:29] <TheRedOctober> galamar: i wish I had
[20:30] <KlingaN> Hello. I've made it far coming here. My journey has been long. I am new to Ubuntu, as you might understand. Now, I am wondering what I need to do in order to update my Alpha 11.04 to the full version - any clues?
[20:30] <maco> KlingaN: install updates. the end.
[20:30] <TheRedOctober> KlingaN: go into Update Manager and you will find it
[20:30] <ohsix> r000t: what is "exe", and that unknown entry?
[20:30] <pdg1> ooohhh
[20:30] <KlingaN> maco: Update manager?
[20:30] <maco> KlingaN: yep
[20:30] <KlingaN> TheRedOctober: Thanks
[20:30] <pdg1> is there an ubuntu server chan or is this the place for that 2?
[20:30] <maco> KlingaN: "alpha" is just a name for a certain point in time during the dev cycle. if you kept up with installing updates the whole time, you've moved from alpha to beta to final automatically
[20:31] <TheRedOctober> KlingaN: NP, hope you enjoy
[20:31] <maco> pdg1: #ubuntu-server
[20:31] <KlingaN> maco: the red october: Is there any way to confirm my version?
[20:31] <plustax> Im in update manager running lucid lynx. and I dont see the new OS update anywhere
[20:31] <sebsebseb> iksik: you can change to Ubuntu Classic Desktop from the log in screen, and set as default even :)
[20:31] <pdg1> maco thnx
[20:31] <maco> KlingaN: if you have no updates available, you're at final
[20:31] <plustax> how do I update from 10 to 11
[20:31] <TheRedOctober> klingaN: lsb_release -a
[20:31] <maco> plustax: lucid is an lts release so only shows other lts releases by default
[20:31] <iksik> sebsebseb, unity looks fine with this 'global menu' feature
[20:31] <sebsebseb> plustax: 10.04 or 10.10 ?
[20:31] <ohsix> r000t: use xprop -id with those window id's and pastebin the output
[20:31] <plustax> sebrock im on 10.10
[20:31] <galamar> why is my flash slow? on webpages things blink alot slower than they should.
[20:31] <iksik> but the only thing is that panel and menu ;/
[20:31] <plustax> sebsebseb i mean
[20:31] <maco> plustax: in the software sources thing in the menu, change update settings to show non-lts releases. then you can upgrade to 10.10
[20:32] <sebsebseb> iksik: Ubuntu Classic Desktop can use the global menu as well,  I don't think it's default though, well it may be
[20:32] <maco> plustax: from there to 11.04. you cannot skip 10.10
[20:32] <iksik> uhm
[20:32] <iksik> ok, thanks, i'll try
[20:32] <kdubois> galamar: its proprietary :)
[20:32] <nutsfornatty> flash sucks on linux. always has. probably always will.
[20:32] <galamar> bastards
[20:32] <maco> plustax: 10.10 isnt lucid
[20:32] <hypetech> flash sucks in general
[20:32] <sebsebseb> !language | galamar
[20:32] <sebsebseb> !upgrade | galamar
[20:32] <iksik> lol
[20:32] <CaneToad> I'm running 10.10 and I've got a updates that say "Partial Upgrade"... is that something to do with the move o 11.04 ????
[20:32] <jnlsnl_> can anyone help ,me with this? I need to give PHP permission to execute a bash script
[20:32] <sebsebseb> galamar: and upgrading now will probably be slow
[20:32] <iksik> sebsebseb, where i can find 'logout' here? : D
[20:33] <ohsix> nutsfornatty, hypetech: w4m
[20:33] <Monotoko> WoW test 1! :P
[20:33] <sebsebseb> iksik: on the top right, in the menu there, in Unity
[20:33] <koistinen> removing gnome applets such as weather, notification area... sux :(
[20:33] <trijntje> are the update servers overloaded? I'm upgrading with only 40kB/s
[20:33] <sebsebseb> koistinen: indeed
[20:33] <KlingaN> It's really hard to keep up with the chatting here...
[20:33] <hypetech> trijntje: yea
[20:33] <TheRedOctober> jnlsnl: wow, never heard that one before...why use php in such a situation?
[20:33] <strigoi661> ?
[20:33] <sebsebseb> koistinen: ,but sadly even Gnome Shell has done that, but that feature is probably coming for Gnome 3.2 :)  the next one in about six months, yay nice :)
[20:33] <hypetech> jnlsnl_: make sure the script is set to executable
[20:33] <nutsfornatty> weather app is there, you can install from terminal
[20:33] <buco> after Kubuntu 11.04 install, I automatically log into classic mode, how I can change this?
[20:34] <plustax> I cant find in my update settings how to go from 10.10 to 11
[20:34] <koistinen> sebsebseb: thanks... yeah, that sux :/
[20:34] <galamar> okay so as for my first issue with the windows being to far up to grab and alt to grab doesnt work either any solutions for that?
[20:34] <nyuszika7h> !isitout
[20:34] <hypetech> plustax: "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[20:34] <sebsebseb> buco: log out, and select what you want on log in screen
[20:34] <trijntje> hypetech, ok, thanks. Maybe I should just cancel the upgrade and try again tomorrow. Or would that break stuff when its still downloading?
[20:34] <jnlsnl_> I want to make a service hook from github that executes a git pull command so a test server is in synch with my repository
[20:34] <Monotoko> ...where does FF download to??
[20:34] <hypetech> trijntje: it won't break anything if it's still in the downloading phase
[20:34] <sebsebseb> trijntje: yeah not really a good idea to cancel the upgrade once you started
[20:34] <nutsfornatty> user / downloads folder @ monotoko
[20:34] <plustax> oh I am on 10.04 so I need to upgrade to 10.10 first
[20:34] <jnlsnl_> hypetech i did 777 on it and nothing :/
[20:34] <buco> tanx sebsebseb, i gonna try
[20:34] <sebsebseb> trijntje: installing stuff
[20:34] <plustax> how do I do that?
[20:34] <usr13> Monotoko: To Downloads/  by default  (if it exists)
[20:34] <hypetech> jnlsnl_: do "chmod a+x <script>"
[20:34] <r000t> ohsix: http://pastebin.com/MXxmt6h5
[20:34] <sebsebseb> plustax: yep got to go through 10.10 to get 11.04
[20:34] <KlingaN> maco: / theredoctober: What does that LSB-abbreviation mean? I know LTS is Long Term Support... ?
[20:35] <maco> KlingaN: lsb = linux standards base
[20:35] <hypetech> jnlsnl_: you have to set the executable bit that way to run scripts
[20:35] <alex13> Hi.  I cannot boot into Ubuntu (all I see is a black screen forever).  How can I fix this?  I have natty 11.04
[20:35] <plustax> sebsebseb okay how do I go to 10.10 now
[20:35] <Monotoko> nutsfornatty, usr13 .... it wasn't there, it was in my tmp folder
[20:35] <sebsebseb> plustax: you can upgrade to it, but  right now probably not the best time, repo's are probably pretty slow
[20:35] <KlingaN> maco: Confused, but thanks. :) You're really quick at answering!
[20:35] <sebsebseb> plustax: also by default 10.04 only shows Long Term Support releases
[20:35] <sebsebseb> plustax: by default LTS's only show other LTS's
[20:35] <plustax> i dont mind the wait
[20:35] <nutsfornatty> monotoko, open the menu for firefox and change the default downloads directory for saving items
[20:35] <sebsebseb> !upgrade | plustax
[20:36] <iksik> hmm
[20:36] <koistinen> I miss the notification area the most! How can I easily see what am I playing in Rhythmbox, if my Dropbox is synced or everything else is happening? For this I must go back to Ubuntu Classic
[20:36] <alex13> I cannot boot into ubuntu!  I need help.  All I see is a black screen.
[20:36] <iksik> sebsebseb, where i can find this 'global menu' feature now?
[20:36] <maco> KlingaN: its a standards body that mostly just went with "red hat's way is standard!" *roll eyes* but decreeing a standard place to put release info (as opposed to /etc/redhat_release and whatever debian's was) was handy
[20:36] <sebsebseb> plustax: and in certain ways, you may find 10.04 better, so not sure if they got the try 11.04 online thing in a web browser up yet, but yeah that for example is a way to try 11.04
[20:36] <nutsfornatty> monotoko, menu -> edit -> preferences -> change the downloads folder
[20:36] <KlingaN> Is the slow flash-response and heavy chewing a global problem, or am I one of the few?
[20:36] <plustax> sebsebseb okay ill go 10.10 for now
[20:36] <Monotoko> nutsfornatty, thank you...have done
[20:36] <plustax> I just dont know how to do it
[20:36] <jsebean> hello
[20:36] <maco> KlingaN: pretty global
[20:37] <hypetech> koistinen: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html
[20:37] <trijntje> sebsebseb, thats what I thought, good. Then ill just abort now and try again in a few days, when the server is not so busy
[20:37] <maco> KlingaN: never noticed before that anything adobe just gives away must be really slow and memory-hoggish?  i mean...flash... acrobat reader...
[20:37] <hypetech> koistinen: that has instructions for adding back notification
[20:37] <sebsebseb> iksik: developmetn versions of 11.04 with Ubuntu Classic Desktop had the global menu, but I  think since then they removed it, but you may be able to add from the repo or something, if it's not there by default
[20:37] <galaxyAbstractor> Hey
[20:37] <Coty91> Hey, I just finished installing Natty on my system; however, I've ran into an issue with my dual monitors and ati drivers. In order for me to be able to use my dual monitors I have to have xinerama enabled, but it doesn't support compiz when enabled. So when I try to login I'm sent back to the GDM. Any ideas on how I can fix this, please?
[20:37] <usr13> Monotoko: In FF, click Tools -> Downloads  and then right-click on any downloaded file and choose "Open Containing Folder" you will be taken to it.
[20:37] <jsebean> Ubuntu 11.04 will not install for me, my laptops backlight will now work when i run the installer
[20:38] <alex13> Ubuntu 11.04 installed but I can't boot, all I get is a black screen and that's it.
[20:38] <nutsfornatty> haha, my system is a1-2% cpu usage with xchat, nat, and chrome open. shoots up to 44% on flash video haha
[20:38] <jsebean> same here alex13
[20:38] <jsebean> the backlight wont work
[20:38] <sebsebseb> alex13: jsebean which graphics card?
[20:38] <jsebean> very unimpressive
[20:38] <usr13> Monotoko: You can also tell FF to ask where to download to.
[20:38] <plustax> how do I upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10?
[20:38] <jsebean> Intel, not sure exactly i got an emachine e725
[20:38] <alex13> @sebsebseb I don't know because I can't boot into ubuntu to find out.
[20:38] <sebsebseb> plustax: through 10.10
[20:38] <Tetsuo55> Does unity have weather next to the clock like gnome? i couldnt find an option for it when i tried a nighly livecd a few weeks ago
[20:38] <cybrhuman> any great changes after upgrade?
[20:38] <MarkSS> Where can I access the main menu on Ubuntu 11.04? Intuitive my butt. Everything so hard to find. Where do I friggin find it? Still haven't found the systems or administrative menu either! :(
[20:38] <sebsebseb> !upgrade | plustax
[20:38] <KlingaN> maco: True. But when run on Windows 7 it's flawless, which sucks. I'm looking for reasons not to migrate back :-P I want to get hooked in this !
[20:38] <koistinen> hypetech: thanks man!
[20:38] <galaxyAbstractor> Anyone know if it's possible to recover data from a harddrive with a broken NTFS partition from a ubuntu liveCD? My friend accidentally plugged out the power from his sisters computer as windows was doing a service pack update...
[20:39] <sebsebseb> cybrhuman: depends on the user, but for me from a previous version of Ubuntu, uhmm no not really
[20:39] <MonkeyDust> hi, in gnome, i used Alltray, to put apps in the systray -- is this possible in unity and how? hints & tips?
[20:39] <kdubois> RT MarkSS :)
[20:39] <usr13> Monotoko: Also, if you want to open one of the downloaded files, you can do so from the Downloads window.
[20:39] <MarkSS> RT?
[20:39] <plustax> sebsebseb that just showed me how to get to 11
[20:39] <jnlsnl_> hypetech hmm still not working :(
[20:39] <hypetech> galaxyAbstractor: you should be able to
[20:39] <plustax> I need to go from 10.04 to 10.10
[20:39] <plustax> can anyone help me in PM?
[20:39] <cybrhuman> sebsebseb: good :)
[20:39] <hypetech> jnlsnl_: :(
[20:39] <kdubois> MarkSS:<retweet> i echo your sentiment there...
[20:39] <ryankask> are maverick apt repositories still going to work?
[20:39] <ii> hi
[20:39] <Pici> MarkSS: That is all gone with unity. If you don't like the new interface, you can log off, and pick Classic Gnome (or is it classic ubuntu) from your login menu.
[20:39] <ryankask> i.e. receive updates
[20:39] <romeo0> i have no apache package and now i'm gonna install it so I was looking for it > "apt-cache search apache" and there would be lots of packages.. and now i'm jsut wondering which one i have to install?
[20:39] <hypetech> jnlsnl_: I don't know much about PHP specifically sorry
[20:39] <nutsfornatty> the weather indicator install instructions are here:  http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html
[20:39] <MarkSS> Unity SUCKS
[20:39] <sebsebseb> plustax: system  > administration > update maanger
[20:39] <alex13> How do I send people private messages?
[20:39] <Pici> MarkSS: Thats not necessary here.
[20:39] <galaxyAbstractor> Well, he says that it tells him to format the harddrives to use them. Know any tools or it?
[20:39] <plustax> sebsebseb im there
[20:39] <sebsebseb> MarkSS: try Gnome Shell I guess then or something :)
[20:39] <r000t> ohsix: exe is probably WINE
[20:40] <arrrghhh> alex13, /msg
[20:40] <biami> @MarkSS: why
[20:40] <hypetech> alex13: do "/msg <name> text here"
[20:40] <ii> How can I change the font size in unity's panel on ubuntu 11.05 ? It doesn't change when modifying Fonts (in Appearance).
[20:40] <jnlsnl_> hypetech i have a php file with this inside: <?php `git pull`;
[20:40] <jsebean> ive tried multiple times to get installer for 11.04 work but no go
[20:40] <Witchsong_> Where do I find Nautilus preferences?
[20:40] <jsebean> anybody got any ideas?
[20:40] <MarkSS> I cannot find anything. I knew I should've stayed with 10.10
[20:40] <nutsfornatty> markSS, give unity a week and make sure you are using keyboard shortcuts. it will grow on you.
[20:40] <biami> ii: 10.04
[20:40] <biami> 11.04
[20:40] <sebsebseb> MarkSS: ah right I see
[20:40] <usr13> alex13:  /msg alex13   Hello alex13
[20:40] <ohsix> MarkSS: #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:40] <jiohdi> Witchsong: under edit
[20:40] <biami> haha
[20:40] <nutsfornatty> i hated unity too at first, now i love it
[20:40] <MarkSS> Yes, but I can't even right-click most stuff to create launchers...
[20:40] <Pici> MarkSS: Did you listen to what I just told you? You can use the old desktop interface if you'd like.
[20:40] <Nickftw_> Which browser runs flash the best in ubuntu 10.04 64 bit??
[20:40] <jsebean> maybe we should stick to LTS only and hope 12.04 LTS fixes this issue
[20:40] <MarkSS> Yes, I know
[20:40] <sebsebseb> MarkSS: well does this look better going by the videos?   http://gnome3.org
[20:40] <ii> biami: ?
[20:40] <Nickftw_> ive found that flash runs crappy in firefox
[20:40] <macrossm> unity is just terrible and compiz no longer works....is it better just to wipe and reinstall 10.10 ?
[20:40] <Pici> MarkSS: Then stop complaining.
[20:40] <romeo0> i have no apache package and now i'm gonna install it so I was looking for it > "apt-cache search apache" and there would be lots of packages.. and now i'm jsut wondering which one i have to install?
[20:40] <romeo0> no idea?
[20:41] <hypetech> jnlsnl_: /join #php    :)
[20:41] <robehend11> apache2
[20:41] <cybrhuman> silly question: unity is the ui from nbr?
[20:41] <aguitel> !topic
[20:41] <romeo0> yes
[20:41] <romeo0> apache2
[20:41] <jnlsnl_> haha will do :)
[20:41] <Pegasys> is anyone else having trouble when upgrading using the alternate iso when it gets to fetching files. mine stops at the same point everytime
[20:41] <Pici> cybrhuman: Yes.
[20:41] <MarkSS> Are libreoffice and openoffice the same thing? They look like it. Done complaining. Going to give it a try.
[20:41] <nutsfornatty> im amazed how resistant linux users (of all people) are to a gui change.
[20:41] <ryankask> are maverick apt repositories still going to receive updates?
[20:41] <robehend11> romeo0: use apache2 ;)
[20:41] <Pici> !Lamp > romeo0
[20:41] <r000t> People who initially hated unity but now love it: Please look up the stockholm effect
[20:41] <plustax> sebsebseb pm
[20:41] <ohsix> r000t: what about the unknown window? and does this backspace thing happen the same in all apps
[20:41] <macrossm> resistant to a terible gui
[20:41] <jiohdi> MarkSS: yes same thing
[20:41] <Coty91> So does Unity work with dual monitors? I can't get it to work with my ATI 5770 with Xinerama enabled. Clearly, the issue is that xinerama doesn't support compiz, so how do I get dual monitor support with Unity?
[20:41] <r000t> ohsix: yes
[20:41] <macrossm> i run linux to screw around with and have fun with the OS and gui
[20:41] <robehend11> MarkSS: Libre is a fork of OpenOffice. Its now the officially suppoedo ne
[20:41] <r000t> Also after using backspace more than once, all keys lag
[20:41] <robehend11> Coty91: It does work on dual monitors, quite well.
[20:41] <macrossm> not to be forced to conform to 2nd rate code
[20:41] <maco> r000t: could also be that unity has improved a lot over the last 6 months, like from crashing every few minutes to um, actually working?
[20:41] <Pici> ryankask: Yes. It doesnt reach end of life until april 2012.
[20:42] <usr13> romeo0: apache2 - Apache HTTP Server metapackage
[20:42] <ryankask> Pici: thanks!
[20:42] <OverTheHillAndFa> hyptech: http://pastebin.com/nnLvZYSi
[20:42] <sgaap> Coty91, you could try the opensource ati drivers instead of fglrx
[20:42] <sebsebseb> plustax: you may have to enable the upgrade for 10.10.  keep it in the channel,  there are other people who should be able to help you better than I :)
[20:42] <ohsix> MarkSS: there was a coup after the oracle thing, they're not the same but libreoffice is the one most developers left to, since oracle wasn't going to form a foundation for the project
[20:42] <OverTheHillAndFa> hypetech: http://pastebin.com/nnLvZYSi
[20:42] <plustax> sebsebseb yeah how do I do that?
[20:42] <plustax> I cant find the option for it.
[20:42] <ryankask> I am trying to boot 11.04 live cd and i see this: http://www2.ryankaskel.com/misc/images/screenshots/natty-startup.jpg
[20:42] <nutsfornatty> r000t, do trust. i know where gnome3 and classic ubuntu are at. i am NOT a hostage to anything
[20:42] <MarkSS> It seems faster
[20:42] <sebsebseb> plustax: it should show in upgrade manager, but if not, uhmm probably in there some where to get it showing or something
[20:42] <galamar> okay its not that my windows are appearing to high its the top bar is missing all together.... No   _  []  X   buttons at all????
[20:42] <hypetech> OverTheHillAndFa: it's stuck there?
[20:43] <ohsix> r000t: my overall point is that it's not from the upgrade, but it can be found out where it is
[20:43] <plustax> sebsebseb i cant find it
[20:43] <plustax> I know its gotta be in there
[20:43] <macrossm> galamar nope it's all gone
[20:43] <robehend11> MarkSS: it's a bit faster, and has new features, like native svg handling. Its a good program.
[20:43] <macrossm> switch to classic or reinstall 10.10
[20:43] <galamar> why?
[20:43] <jiohdi> galamar: they are part of the top panel now
[20:43] <jsebean> so 11.04 is a fail?
[20:43] <hypetech> jsebean: no
[20:43] <nutsfornatty> no
[20:43] <biami> i am drunk... and everything is moving too fast for me... g'nyt...
[20:43] <macrossm> yes
[20:43] <sebsebseb> plustax: maybe you should just stay on 10.04,  10.10 and 11.04 don't really offer that much  proper advantage, well in my opinion :)
[20:43] <jsebean> well it doesnt work
[20:43] <Coty91> Yea, It did work great with the open source drivers, but as soon as I installed fglrx it no longer works. Problem is I don't know how to remove the ATI drivers since I didn't it manually.
[20:43] <robehend11> not at all
[20:43] <OverTheHillAndFa> computer freezed. hardbooted and then ran reset in recovery mode resulting this outpu
[20:43] <macrossm> jsebean most definitely a fail
[20:43] <OverTheHillAndFa> t
[20:43] <ohsix> jsebean: #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:43] <zzecool> James2nd,
[20:43] <sebsebseb> plustax: plus 10.04 is Long Term Support :)
[20:43] <jsebean> i would like for it to work, for me it is a fail
[20:44] <nutsfornatty> users are the fail for not trying the new unity interface for more than a week
[20:44] <jsebean> i cannot even install it
[20:44] <usr13> ryankask: visit your optometrist, you need new glasses.
[20:44] <galamar> jiohdi, so how am i to move my windows around?
[20:44] <alex13> I really want 11.04 to work for me.  Really bad!
[20:44] <sgaap> Coty91, used a deb or ati's own installer?.
[20:44] <robehend11> jsebean: Download a fresh iso. Best way to do it.
[20:44] <jsebean> installer is black, ive tried redownloading, buring and usb
[20:44] <jsebean> nope not it
[20:44] <OverTheHillAndFa> hypetech: computer freezed. hardbooted and then ran reset in recovery mode resulting this output
[20:44] <ohsix> jsebean: intel or nvidia?
[20:44] <plustax> I found it im good.
[20:44] <Coty91> sgaap: I used the ATI installer
[20:44] <nutsfornatty> remember everyone is still grumbling about the osx buttons from 10.04 lol
[20:44] <jsebean> intel
[20:44] <macrossm> go back to 10.10
[20:44] <doodle> Hello, I am trying to install Ubuntu 11.04, but in the add partition section's "Use as" menue, I don't see NTFS file system which I need. How I can use that file system?
[20:44] <jsebean> Intel GMA 4500M graphics
[20:44] <jiohdi> galamar: move them where?
[20:44] <ohsix> jsebean: report a bug
[20:44] <ryankask> usr13: realistically.. i mean 10.10 runs fine but i can't even boot 11.04... any tips?
[20:44] <jsebean> will do
[20:44] <galamar> jiohdi, around
[20:44] <dave65> reboot, brb
[20:44] <sgaap> Coty91: then you can use the uninstall probably, and just remove/rename your x conf
[20:44] <maco> doodle: you cant install onto an NTFS file system
[20:45] <MarkSS> !Unity
[20:45] <maco> doodle: if you want to mount an NTFS storage device automatically, you can set that up post-install
[20:45] <hypetech> OverTheHillAndFa: not sure, can you still boot normally and choose Ubuntu in the session manager at the login screen?
[20:45] <jiohdi> galamar: unity is designed for touch screen primarily, its not the best set up for a desktop imho
[20:45] <Somelauw> So does everybody love or hate unity?
[20:45] <ThomasUK> hate.
[20:45] <sebsebseb> ThomasUK: :D
[20:45] <Coty91> sgaap: Thanks, I'll give it a shot.
[20:45] <r000t> Now I have another issue: Chrome is default browser but xchat opens links in Firefox after upgrade
[20:45] <MarkSS> HATE
[20:45] <ohsix> Somelauw: #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:45] <OverTheHillAndFa> yes but i only get classic look
[20:45] <doodle> maco: but no way to do that now?
[20:45] <nutsfornatty> love (though it toke time + learning the keyboard shortcuts)
[20:45] <ThomasUK> but you'll get trolled by ego feests that will tell you you need to go to offtopic
[20:45] <usr13> ryankask: Sorry, couldn't resist.... But really can't tell much about the screen you showed us
[20:45] <maco> doodle: ok i should clarify:  you cant install *directly* on an ntfs file system.  if you use Wubi from Windows, you can install into an ext4-formatted file on an NTFS drive
[20:45] <ThomasUK> oh look theres one :)
[20:45] <robehend11> jiohdi: While it does support touch screens nicely, it also works great for the layout, what with all the built-in keyboard shortcuts
[20:45] <ohsix> ThomasUK: #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:45] <sebsebseb> Somelauw: I have mixed feelings over Unity :D
[20:45] <OverTheHillAndFa> hypetech: yes but i only get classic look
[20:45] <ThomasUK> ^ ;)
[20:45] <sgaap> its not as bad as people make it, but i prefer gnome 3 on 11.04 over unity
[20:45] <hypetech> OverTheHillAndFa: meh, I'm not sure beyond that :(
[20:45] <maco> doodle: no, just set it up in /etc/fstab after you install
[20:45] <galamar> jiohdi, how did that become an issue it worked before?
[20:45] <doodle> maco: I know that.
[20:46] <ohsix> MarkSS: #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:46] <romeo0> robehend11: you know actually my problem is that when there would be alot of packages for apache2 when i type : apt-cache search apache2   so how could i find out that which one that i have install?
[20:46] <jiohdi> robehend11: so is icewn
[20:46] <ryankask> usr13: it's just a bunch of colored lines. it looks like it's a driver issue but i don't know.
[20:46] <jibadeeha> i think i am the only one on the planet who actually likes Unity :(
[20:46] <sebsebseb> sgaap: and yeah indeeed Gnome  Shell :)  when it works, and Unity okish when it works
[20:46] <OverTheHillAndFa> hypetech: no problem. thank you anyway :)
[20:46] <doodle> maco: I don't wanna install Ubuntu there, I just want to spare the 45 GB space to another drive which I need in NTFS.
[20:46] <cm-t> hi, I am trying to report a bug to launchpad, this bug affect 2 packages
[20:46] <cm-t> in the field «In what package did you find this bug? »  can i add  these 2 packages here ?
[20:46] <jiohdi> *icewm
[20:46] <ohsix> ThomasUK: it's not ego, this channel exists for a reason, and that is not it
[20:46] <robehend11> jiohdi: agreed, which is why I run both ;)
[20:46] <epyx> is it just me or does Unity feel very unsmooth?
[20:46] <macrossm> *blackbox
[20:46] <doodle> maco: you said, I can do that right? If so, which file system should I select now?
[20:46] <macrossm> anyhthing is better then unity
[20:46] <jibadeeha> just you epyx
[20:46] <sebsebseb> epyx: probably not just you :)
[20:46] <jiohdi> robehend11: I just switched to fvwm-crystal
[20:46] <ohsix> epyx: #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:46] <ssfdre38> who made Unity
[20:47] <robehend11> romeo0: just apt-get install apache2 . It'll work. if you want the whole lamp-stack, do tasksel lamp-server^
[20:47] <Coty91> sgaap: Do you know if there are any upsides to using fglrx opposed to the open source drivers?
[20:47] <galamar> jiohdi, can i remove unity?
[20:47] <MarkSS> a moron
[20:47] <maco> doodle: wont it let you just leave empty space?
[20:47] <sebsebseb> ssfdre38: mainly Canonica's design team people
[20:47] <Adis45> Hello, I can't get my computer to boot from USB, it always works the first time i put it in and it boots
[20:47] <sgaap> Coty91: games
[20:47] <Adis45> but i can never do it after that
[20:47] <ohsix> MarkSS: #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:47] <robehend11> jiohdi: I'm on Unity now, but I'll prolly roll back to lxde soon enough
[20:47] <helo> i'm going to be introducing a non-computer person to ubuntu... should i put them on unity?
[20:47] <macrossm> indeed
[20:47] <jiohdi> galamar: you can install a bunch of alternatives and then just pick the one you like at login
[20:47] <maco> doodle: you could pick any available one for now if you wanted to setup an empty partition and then format it after the install
[20:47] <macrossm> no
[20:47] <Ahmuck> installed 11:04 in a vm.  did not have 3d turned on.  turned graphics off and gave me gnome 2.x.  is there a way to reset the process to get unity?
[20:47] <macrossm> helo: give them 10.10
[20:47] <nutsfornatty> ati users, remember that the new offical ati driver is out for 11.04. try that first.
[20:47] <Coty91> sgaap: Ah, well I use windows for that. Thanks again!
[20:47] <doodle> maco: okay, I will do that. Thanks!
[20:47] <ohsix> helo: sure, if they don't know about anything it'll be their computing experience
[20:47] <sebsebseb> Ahmuck: ok I can give you a proper lnk for getting Unity working in Virtualbox :)
[20:47] <galamar> jiohdi, how did unity get on my system?
[20:47] <macrossm> unity needs years of dev and perhaps so testing next time
[20:47] <hypetech> helo: yes, it's great for new people imo
[20:47] <maco> Ahmuck: you're going to need to get 3D drivers for your vm
[20:48] <jiohdi> galamar: its the new default
[20:48] <Ahmuck> sebsebseb: there's a special setup?
[20:48] <cm-t> helo: on the natty he can choose between unity and classic
[20:48] <maco> Ahmuck: vmware and vbox both have extensions for installing in the guest OS for that
[20:48] <sebsebseb> Ahmuck: yes it needs to be done right, or it won't work
[20:48] <ohsix> macrossm: it had it, you weren't paying attention
[20:48] <cyoz1> damn unity is huge
[20:48] <Adis45> what is unity
[20:48] <sebsebseb> Ahmuck: also you need some sort of hardwae accelleration on the host it seems, ok going to get you the link
[20:48] <jiohdi> galamar: at login you have can still go back to other alternatives already installed
[20:48] <ohsix> unity is a plugin for compiz
[20:48] <biami> I am sorry about this question in advance, but can anyone suggest any non-technical IRC channel?
[20:48] <maco> Adis45: the new shell in 11.04
[20:48] <sebsebseb> Adis45: the new default interface for 11.04
[20:48] <helo> Adis45: a new linux MMORPG
[20:48] <helo> shhhh!
[20:48] <jsebean> unity the replacement for gnome in 11.04
[20:48] <maco> biami: umm... #defocus?
[20:48] <hypetech> biami: for ubuntu or...?
[20:48] <g105b> Hi, I have a Acer Aspire 4810T laptop, I press FN+LEFT to reduce screen brightness and FN+RIGHT to increase screen brightness. Since the update to Natty, the OSD appears, but brightness doesn't change ... :(
[20:48] <maco> jsebean: it's a shell on top of gnome
[20:48] <sebsebseb> Ahmuck: so if for example you got Comipz working on the host, then you got the hardware acceleration :)
[20:48] <galamar> jiohdi, ok where do i get alternatives are they already there?
[20:48] <macrossm> unity is a useless window manager implemented in 11.04 to replace gnome the far superior window manager
[20:48] <ohsix> jsebean: no, it is not a replacement for gnome
[20:48] <nutsfornatty> unity is gnome
[20:49] <maco> jsebean: gnome applications and libraries and services are all still there
[20:49] <sebsebseb> Ahmuck: ok let's get you the link :)
[20:49] <jsebean> correct
[20:49] <Adis45> Im trying to boot my computer from a USB, but it always works the first time and then I can never boot from it
[20:49] <hypetech> biami: there are a few hundred channels on this server, plus if you just join a random one that doesn't exist, it will create it
[20:49] <ohsix> jsebean: 99.99% of what "gnome" is, is not the window manager
[20:49] <jsebean> i stand corrected
[20:49] <doodle> maco: the type of that partition will be logical or primary?
[20:49] <Ahmuck> i can use comipz, but don't have it currently turned on
[20:49] <Coty91> macrossm: Unity is built on top of GNOME
[20:49] <maco> doodle: depends how many partitions you have already
[20:49] <jiohdi> galamar: when you login, before you hit enter, there is a choser on the login screen, it is a drop down box
[20:49] <jsebean> but u cant install 11.04 because it doesnt work with my laptops backlight dont work with it
[20:49] <ohsix> jsebean: report a bug
[20:49] <maco> doodle:  you can have up to 4 primary or 3 primary + 1 logical and the logical containing a LOT of extended
[20:49] <macrossm> great it should be removed then easily and not be so huge
[20:49] <cyoz1> does unity have no options?
[20:49] <shane2peru> ok, how do Irese
[20:49] <ohsix> jsebean: i saw a lot of that long before the release even, nobody filed bugs
[20:50] <biami> @hypetech: hmm
[20:50] <jiohdi> galamar: if you are set to auto login in you should go to your settings and change it to request password
[20:50] <ohsix> cyoz1: no, it's a compiz plugin, try ccsm
[20:50] <hypetech> cyoz1: do "ccsm" and click on the unity button
[20:50] <koshie> Hi
[20:50] <sebsebseb> Ahmuck: Do this and should work, not tired myself yet. http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/04/21/ubuntu-natty-in-virtualbox-with-unity/
[20:50] <sebsebseb> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/04/21/ubuntu-natty-in-virtualbox-with-unity/
[20:50] <macrossm> unity wiped out the desktop sphperes and all the setting i had on my machine since 8.04
[20:50] <jsebean> i made the assumption that it would be fixed by final release
[20:50] <Ahmuck> hi maco
[20:50] <Ahmuck> long time no chat
[20:50] <jsebean> next time ill make a report before final is released, because i did try the beta and alpha and had same issue
[20:50] <Torne> Is there a way to format an entire disk with a filesystem during the install? i.e. not have a partition table?
[20:50] <robd> Hey guys
[20:50] <ohsix> macrossm: they're still there
[20:50] <doodle> maco: I just want to use it as a regular drive, primary will be better for that, or logical? I have many other partitions already.
[20:50] <Ahmuck> so, u mentioned something about vbox drivers?
[20:51] <kunguz> I tried dd the iso image to an usb but that did not work, I am in a different distro and would like to install ubuntu on a seperate partition using USB stick, any suggestions?
[20:51] <Coty91> I like the idea of Unity but it feels like I'm using a mac; in the sense, that I have little power over changing and customizing the experience now.
[20:51] <jiohdi> Torne: from a live CD
[20:51] <azi> hello. how could I change the desktop layout in 10.10 to a more "standard" one?
[20:51] <ohsix> macrossm: they were just displayed by nautilus before
[20:51] <maco> doodle: primary & logical have no bearing on how you use it in most cases (exception is that windows refuses to boot from logical)
[20:51] <macrossm> really....
[20:51] <Torne> jiohdi: no, from the altinstaller
[20:51] <sebsebseb> Coty91: well that's actsaully the goal of Canonical now, to compete more properly against the Mac OS X interface
[20:51] <rhizmoe> is there a way to sync the file tree to the current file in gedit?
[20:51] <maco> doodle: if you have 3 primary already, then id make it logical
[20:51] <shane2peru> ok how do I reset all desktop settings to get a fresh new install desktop
[20:51] <rhizmoe> "show me where this is"
[20:51] <macrossm> cause right now i got for stupid desktop s side by each and my extra monitor won't open a thing
[20:51] <jiohdi> Torne: what I am telling you is that you have to be running the live cd and then chose gparted
[20:51] <nutsfornatty> coty91, this is true. i hope we get advanced customizations for unity asap
[20:51] <ohsix> sebsebseb: do you speak for them?
[20:51] <mkanat> How do I make a panel launcher prompt me to sudo it?
[20:51] <koshie> If I download an iso with torrent, it's not possible to be corrupted, right ?
[20:51] <macrossm> er four
[20:52] <robd> I just installed Ubuntu 11.04 and I'm wondering how to set my DNS servers. I've tried setting servers in /etc/resolv.conf but it doesn't appear to have any effect. Where are DNS server settings stored now?
[20:52] <doodle> maco: I have more than 3 primary already.
[20:52] <mkanat> (Prompt me with a GUI, that is.)
[20:52] <sebsebseb> ohsix: no I just read stuff about Linux distro's and so on here and there, so I know things :)
[20:52] <ohsix> nutsfornatty: you have it, open ccsm
[20:52] <maco> doodle: you have 4 primary?
[20:52] <VCoolio> mkanat: put gksudo in front of the command
[20:52] <macrossm> unity not good with multiple monitor ?
[20:52] <rhizmoe> koshie: of course it can. that's what the md5 is for
[20:52] <ayecee> koshie: it's possible, but unlikely. the torrent file itself contains hashes used to verify the contents.
[20:52] <mkanat> VCoolio, awesome, thank you. :-)
[20:52] <Torne> jiohdi: that's kinda annoying, i never have the livecd
[20:52] <jnlsnl_> hmm i  can make git pull as user "ubuntu" but when i try as root it says: Permission denied (publickey).
[20:52] <ohsix> sebsebseb: if you've "read" things, chances are you know nothing
[20:52] <doodle> doodle: most probably, I am not sure. I did it long time ago.
[20:52] <nutsfornatty> ohsix, i have ccsm, tell me how to move unity to the bottom of the screen? yep, you cant
[20:52] <sebsebseb> ohsix: depends where I  read something
[20:52] <koshie> rhizmoe, I've heard it's not possible with torrent, but possible in http/ftp download.
[20:52] <jiohdi> Torne: you have to be running in such a way that nothing you are doing is touching the hard drive
[20:52] <ThomasUK> ohsix: ubuntu-offtopic.
[20:53] <sebsebseb> ohsix: if  it was for example the offical blogs from Mark Shuttleworth or  Canonical Design team, which for my Mac OS X comment, if I remember correctly it indeed was, then sure I know something :)
[20:53] <ohsix> sebsebseb: nope, unless canoncical said it, it's speculation
[20:53] <macrossm> unity is useless they need to redo that whole section and put back gnome
[20:53] <Torne> jiohdi: er, yes, I am, I've booted qemu from the altinstall cd
[20:53] <koshie> ayecee, Yes I've heard that.
[20:53] <maco> doodle: youd need to delete one and replace it with a logical then put a few extended in there.  (this is not an ubuntu thing, just a hard disk thing)
[20:53] <Coty91> nutsfornatty: I'm really hoping the reason for it is that they had a limit amount of time to build Unity before release.
[20:53] <nutsfornatty> panels in 10.10 = massive customization potential... unity = not so much
[20:53] <gaurav_sood91> anyone know how to upgrade to 11.04 from maverick? i got strange errors...
[20:53] <Pici> macrossm: Feel free to pick classic gnome from GDM if you want to use that.
[20:53] <nerdshell> I just have installed Natty, and my computer doesn't recognize my wifi network !
[20:53] <Torne> jiohdi: my hard disk is an image file, i want to install onto it with no partition table because otherwise i'll have to ess about dd'ing the filesystem out of the image
[20:53] <koshie> gaurav_sood91, what is the error ?
[20:53] <ohsix> macrossm: gnome is not gone, you can still use it as a desktop session, pick it from the login screen
[20:53] <hypetech> gaurav_sood91: "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[20:53] <ThomasUK> natty is doing great things for this IRC channel.
[20:53] <sebsebseb> ThomasUK: heh?
[20:54] <ohsix> Coty91: conversely, they did not have infinite time, and it was released
[20:54] <doodle> maco: okay then.
[20:54] <maco> doodle: whoops, its logicals inside extendeds, not other way around, but either way:  4 big things allowed.
[20:54] <sebsebseb> ThomasUK: it's a bit disapointing in a way no where near 2000 people this time round
[20:54] <nerdshell> I just have installed Natty, and my computer doesn't recognize my wifi network !  What can I do ?
[20:54] <cyoz1> I think I'll try out fedora...
[20:54] <statarb3> anybody using mindmapping software XMind
[20:54] <ohsix> ThomasUK: unless you have a question or are assisting someone i suggest you take your comments elsewhere
[20:54] <doodle> maco: okay, going to install now. Thanks! :)
[20:54] <maco> doodle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning#PC_partition_types
[20:54] <koshie> rhizmoe, thanks.
[20:55] <gaurav_sood91> unity seems a bit strange to use though
[20:55] <koshie> Good afternoon / night everyone
[20:55] <Coty91> cyoz1: Fedora isn't all that great imo. Try Arch it's waay better.
[20:55] <sebsebseb> ThomasUK: (unless we use you know uhmm rounded numbers.  since that way over 1500 so it is)
[20:55] <Rehan> if i use a usb liveCD and then install from it, will the settings that I had setup in the liveCD carry over?
[20:55] <koistinen> I have a folder ~/Desktop/TV Serials/Himym - when i try to search "TV Serials" it finds the folder. When I search "Himym" it finds nothing. Does this happen to you?
[20:55] <jiohdi> Torne: dont know of any program that can do exactly that but one of those systems that can copy hard drive to hard drive by hardware means
[20:55] <ohsix> Coty91: :[
[20:55] <jo-erlend> cyoz1, Fedora is really good, as long as you don't need anything proprietary. It's a very nice distro.
[20:55] <nutsfornatty> good guide to natty customization: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html
[20:55] <arand> Rehan: I do not think so no.
[20:55] <hypetech> nutsfornatty: somebody should add that to the topic
[20:55] <ohsix> nutsfornatty: are you promoting that post?
[20:55] <macrossm> unity is a wannabe osx gui that's all i see
[20:55] <nerdshell> I just have installed Natty, and my computer doesn't recognize my wifi network ! what can I do?
[20:55] <ohsix> macrossm: unity is a plugin for a window manager
[20:56] <nutsfornatty> naw, its not my blog. but it was very helpful to me (getting weather app back etc)
[20:56] <macrossm> i'd take beOS even over unity
[20:56] <kunguz> exit()
[20:56] <kunguz> quit()
[20:56] <sebsebseb> macrossm: yep  that's the plan for Canonical now to compete more against Mac OS X's interface.  anyway you may prefer Gnome Shell http://gnome3.org :)
[20:56] <maco> nerdshell: try plugging into a wired network and starting up the hardware driver manager. it'll search the internet for a wireless driver
[20:56] <Rehan> arand: i tried out the 11.04 liveCD and there was no Unity, it looked exactly the same as my 10.10 install
[20:56] <ohsix> nerdshell: is it a broadcom or ralink chip? (lspci / lsusb)
[20:56] <gaurav_sood91> plug it in ethernet and then install driver. broadcom drivers are pathetic in this respect
[20:56] <Torne> jiohdi: er, i think you aren't understanding me. I have booted the alternate install CD and it wants to partition the disk in the install process; is there a way to just make it create the filesystem on /dev/sda
[20:56] <macrossm> unity is a massive plugin that wipes out all your settings and forces you to conform to a new way of setting up your desktop
[20:56] <nerdshell> ohsix: broadcom
[20:56] <arand> Rehan: Likely due to lack of acceleration video drivers.
[20:56] <dotblank> macrossm, what?
[20:56] <ohsix> sebsebseb: there is no plan, unless you speak for canonical and are making said plans, do not spread misinformation
[20:57] <nerdshell> maco : the driver is installed, I already done that
[20:57] <macrossm> really ? is that the canonical plan to complete against osx ? :(
[20:57] <ohsix> nerdshell: you probably need to install the firmware then, as it's not redistributable
[20:57] <maco> nerdshell: is your rfkill switch enabled?
[20:57] <sebsebseb> ohsix: you know what, if I  really wanted, to I could find the blog post,  that said they are competing agasint Mac OS X more,  but I am not sad enough to go and do that :)
[20:57] <cyoz1> banshee is buggy as fuck
[20:57] <ohsix> macrossm: are you trollling with these guys?
[20:57] <maco> nerdshell: and have you rebooted since installing the drivers
[20:57] <maco> !language | cyoz1
[20:57] <cyoz1> ups
[20:57] <dotblank> macrossm, bug #1 is windows has the market share.. not osx
[20:57] <cyoz1> understood
[20:57] <jiohdi> Torne: if you have an unformatted disc it will have to format it first... if you do not want it to format the whole disk you can make partitions where it will only format the unformatted partition you chose
[20:57] <macrossm> 10.10 was awesome i wish they hadn't of done this
[20:57] <jibadeeha> cyoz1, yeah banshee is slow as well ... i am sticking with rhythmbox
[20:57] <iceroot> its always a bad idea to copy something from apple
[20:58]  * sebsebseb ok it's about to be V :) so bye for now people
[20:58] <nerdshell> maco  : I rebooted, what is rfkill ?
[20:58] <macrossm> perhaps making unity the new option to try insteaqd of forcing it
[20:58] <ohsix> sebsebseb: then hold your tongue, it would only be appropriate to discuss on #ubuntu-offtopic anyways
[20:58] <Torne> jiohdi: I want it to format /dev/sda as ext4, instead of creating partitions and formatting that
[20:58] <nutsfornatty> the goal with unity and osx lion was more focus on full screen apps. if you think about the gui with that in mind it helps ease the transition to unity
[20:58] <Scarra3> I'm having some trouble with 11.04 my graphics driver for my laptop is an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250 so I installed the drivers from the additional drivers program and now when I reboot the boot screen is pixled some and looks weird
[20:58] <ohsix> macrossm: it is an option
[20:58] <jo-erlend> sebsebseb, what he said, was that we should aim for OS Xs smoothness and user friendlyness. I agree. I think we've far surpassed Windows' in that area. We need to keep raising our standards.
[20:58] <nerdshell> ohsix: why? It worked properly on 10.10
[20:58] <sebsebseb> ohsix: lol at people like you
[20:58] <Coty91> ohsix: they did it backwards indeed. lol
[20:58] <maco> nerdshell: the "turn off wireless because im in an airplane / want to save battery" button or switch
[20:58] <Torne> jiohdi: there is nothing on the disk, not even a partition table, and I do not want to create a partition table
[20:58] <ohsix> macrossm: it is just the default
[20:58] <maco> nerdshell: can try    sudo rfkill --unblock all
[20:58] <Rehan> arand: thanks. So I have a question. On my 10.10 I have to use proprietary nvidia drivers which allow my screen to have the proper resolution and for compiz to work but make my plymouth look terrible.  When I used 11.04 liveCD everything looked fine, but there was no Unity. Does this mean I'll have to go to proprietary drivers again in 11.04 for Unity?
[20:58] <macrossm> seb no doubt: guess they are tired of hearing about the terrible rls
[20:59] <maco> Rehan: right
[20:59] <sebsebseb> ohsix: go try some other distro's lol
[20:59] <maco> Rehan: unity is a compiz plugin
[20:59] <sebsebseb> anyway TV time bye
[20:59] <arand> Rehan: Probably, yes
[20:59] <nutsfornatty> Scarra3, ati has released offical drivers for 11.04 ati cards. i will link you
[20:59] <ohsix> nerdshell: firmware filenames change with kernel versions, look at the output of dmesg and see if the driver is finding it's firmware
[20:59] <macrossm> the default should be the default i would be more then happy to test out and learn a new gui gradually
[20:59] <Kindari> Hey folks, is it worth upgrading to 11.04?
[20:59] <ohsix> sebsebseb: #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:59] <nerdshell> ohsix:  can you explain more clearly please
[20:59] <iceroot> Kindari: never touch a running system
[20:59] <sgaap> btw, is 11.4 (from ati) included in 11.04?
[20:59] <ohsix> macrossm: you have had many months to try it out gradually
[20:59] <macrossm> so unity is a compiz plugin or a gnome plugin ?
[20:59] <kvarley> How can I enable desktop effects in Ubuntu 11.04? I have proprietary drivers installed.
[20:59] <nutsfornatty> Scarra3: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
[21:00] <doodle> maco: it asks me to select a mount point for the partition, and I selected FAT32, and the mount point is /dos and /windows, which one should I select?
[21:00] <corecode> hi
[21:00] <jsebean> internal server error on ubuntu bug tracker
[21:00] <macrossm> really ? i have cause running beta is a great idea
[21:00] <ohsix> nerdshell: dmesg shows kernel messages if ran in a terminal; the driver says when it's loading its firmware; so you check that it has
[21:00] <corecode> how can i disable this excessively large dropshadow on 11.04?
[21:00] <maco> doodle: whatever you want it to be named. you can always change this later
[21:00] <corecode> i tried compiz/window decoration, but that doesn't change anything
[21:00] <maco> doodle: should even be able to type it in
[21:00] <doodle> maco: okay.
[21:01] <maco> doodle: if you want it to show like a flash drive would, then put it under /media
[21:01] <Saamm> I got a software center problem...Chromium rating is 102 but it only shows 1....http://i.imgur.com/Nhgpn.png
[21:01] <doodle> maco: there is no other option but /dos and /windows
[21:01] <ohsix> corecode: you can adjust the ccsm settings, but i don't know if you can; smspillaz had a blog post about getting overlapping shadows to not over darken & i think thats the fixed output from that
[21:01] <brokenupgraydes> my upgrade failed, dpkg is now corrupted, but I have a liveCD.  How to recover?
[21:02] <ohsix> corecode: fixed in the sense that there are few options iirc, but the ones there are will be in ccsm
[21:02] <bloublou> hi guys, I joined few hours ago asking about how to fix my gnome-panels, well, I fixed them; I just went to GDM menu and changed the session, I selected 'classic session' and done, problem fixed.
[21:02] <iceroot> brokenupgraydes: chroot into the system and rund "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[21:02] <jon4248> ubumtu
[21:02] <macrossm> why did unity wipe out my settings in compiz ? i had a sphere with 4 desktops and two running vbox windows in them
[21:02] <corecode> ohsix: hm, it has to be set somewhere
[21:02] <maco> doodle: it wont let you type in there?
[21:02] <macrossm> how can i get all that back
[21:02] <corecode> ohsix: right now i can just disable all decoration, or have this huge shadow
[21:02] <iceroot> brokenupgraydes: if you can boot the normal system do that and run the command then you dont need a chroot
[21:02] <ohsix> corecode: that somewhere might not be something you can change without a rebuild, is what i was saying
[21:03] <Rehan> Why do I keep getting this error when I try to run update manager on 10.10 : W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/meerkat/stable/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/source/Sources.gz  404  Not Found
[21:03] <doodle> maco: no. :S
[21:03] <Shoogy> So what happened to the netbook version of ubuntu
[21:03] <ohsix> macrossm: unity did not do that
[21:03] <hypetech> Shoogy: it is no more
[21:03] <Shoogy> they just change out there whole website
[21:03] <nutsfornatty> switch to classic ubuntu = login screen -> look at bottom panel -> change "ubuntu" to "ubuntu classic" -> login -> done
[21:03] <corecode> ohsix: because i use focus-follows-mouse, the abrupt change of the shadow is quite distracting
[21:03] <Shoogy> why not
[21:03] <ohsix> macrossm: compizchanging from version .8 to .9 did
[21:03] <dotblank> macrossm, when you updated it should have prompted you if you had any conflicting configuration files
[21:03] <macrossm> nuts: did that still have nothing
[21:03] <Bisa> heya, anyone able to help me check this issue out. I see a white _ on boot and my hard drive swirls a bit then seems to halt and no os is booted at all, what could be wrong?
[21:03] <macrossm> and i opened ccsm all settings gone
[21:03] <iceroot> Shoogy: netbook was a normal ubuntu with unity
[21:03] <corecode> ohsix: ah.  there is a slider for shadow, but it doesn't seem to have any effect
[21:03] <brokenupgraydes> iceroot, chroot'd and running dpkg now, got a bunch of warnings about dpkg status file syntax
[21:03] <SubCool> could someone help with an ops. I somehow created a loop script of x11vnc, can someone help me find it and delete it?
[21:03] <Shoogy> I know it was the normal ubuntu with a UI
[21:03] <iceroot> brokenupgraydes: pastebin
[21:04] <macrossm> dotblank : should have*
[21:04] <ohsix> macrossm: it tries to migrate some settings but far from all of them are migrated
[21:04] <sgaap> Bisa: do you see a bootloader before that?
[21:04] <Shoogy> I wanted to get it for my roommates netbook
[21:04] <brokenupgraydes> bleh, scrollback.
[21:04] <Bisa> sgaap, nope
[21:04] <ohsix> macrossm: you can manually transfer the settings, they are still in gconf
[21:04] <cherva> how can I kill a connection to a peer without killing the service or filtering it with iptables and waiting to timeout ?
[21:04] <macrossm> hrm :(
[21:04] <hypetech> Shoogy: the normal desktop version is the new "netbook" version, it's the same now.  unity is a good interface for the netbook so it should be fine
[21:04] <sgaap> Bisa, you can use a live cd to reinstall grub, or do it via the bios with efi
[21:05] <sgaap> if you have edi that is
[21:05] <ohsix> cherva: hunt has a tool to do that, it discovers sequence numbers and sends rst's to both ends
[21:05] <Shoogy> Oh they are the same now
[21:05] <brokenupgraydes> iceroot, just many of these: dpkg-query: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 20421 package 'encoding.com':  error in Version string 'version0.87': version number does not start with digit
[21:05] <Shoogy> Ok that makes sense
[21:05] <Rehan> Why do I keep getting this error when I try to run update manager on 10.10 : W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/meerkat/stable/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/source/Sources.gz  404  Not Found
[21:05] <ohsix> cherva: i think theres a tool to do just that, but i  forget the name
[21:05] <Shoogy> Thanks for the help hypetech
[21:05] <shane2peru> ok, first hurdle, dual screen setup with unity?
[21:05] <macrossm> guys i dunno if canonical see any of this ...but it's pretty sad i spent months perfecting my laptop and now it's shot after the 11.04 upgrade ...unity is terrible and shouldn't have been set as the default
[21:05] <Shoogy> Yes good point
[21:05] <cherva> ohsix, hunt ?
[21:05] <ohsix> Rehan: one of your ppas is broken, you should purge them all before you attempt an upgrade
[21:05] <Bisa> sgaap, Im currently on a live but dunno if I want to dable with grub due to my dual boot setup, is it smart enough to recognize my win install?
[21:05] <Shoogy> I need to be able to run dual screen too
[21:05] <macrossm> my desktop still has 10.10 and i will never change that
[21:05] <trism> corecode: the shadow is configured in the metacity theme such as  /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml in the shadow tags, set them to radius 0 and the shadow is gone, (or just shrink them)...best idea is probably to copy it to ~/.themes/ , change the name and make your edits
[21:06] <iceroot> macrossm: never touch a running system, so its your fault
[21:06] <sgaap> Bisa: it should be
[21:06] <macrossm> yeah it's my fault
[21:06] <Rehan> ohsix: is there a command in terminal i can enter to do that?
[21:06] <helo> macrossm: you can just use the other desktop interface...
[21:06] <ohsix> macrossm: that is your opinion, and you had an opportunity to voice it before release
[21:06] <macrossm> i have a backup from 2 weeks ago will have to restore that
[21:06] <corecode> trism: thanks!
[21:06] <Bisa> sgaap, so, google reinstall grub or something?
[21:06] <helo> macrossm: you don't have to use unity with 11.04
[21:06] <macrossm> i'm not now i changed
[21:06] <jiohdi> Rehan: you can remove them under synaptic packagemanager under repositories
[21:06] <nutsfornatty> switch to classic ubuntu instructions: go to login screen -> look at bottom panel -> change "ubuntu" to "ubuntu classic" -> login -> done
[21:06] <ohsix> macrossm: as i've said your compiz settings are still there, they are just not being read by compiz .9
[21:06] <laserbled> hi....how to mount a rar file in ubuntu 10.10...anyother alternative than rar2fs ?
[21:06] <macrossm> but all my settings are gone
[21:07] <llutz> cherva: look at "cutter"
[21:07] <sgaap> Bisa, depends on which version of grub you have
[21:07] <iceroot> brokenupgraydes: make a backup of that file, then edit it and remove the string "version" from that line
[21:07] <macrossm> laser you don't mount an rar
[21:07] <iceroot> brokenupgraydes: also its a good idea to open a bug with that
[21:07] <macrossm> extract it
[21:07] <loculinux> hola
[21:07] <nutsfornatty> open with archive manager
[21:07] <ohsix> laserbled: everything that exists to do it only does uncopmressed archives
[21:07] <macrossm> you can view the files inside without extracting if that is what you mean
[21:07] <brokenupgraydes> iceroot, bah. hundreds of them.
[21:07] <Rehan> jiohdi: thanks
[21:07] <ninjai> is there any software for linux that allows me to screenshot a section of my screen? I've used some before where you can scale around this box and clikc 'capture'.  Anything out there?
[21:07] <Bisa> sgaap, dunno, where do I find out / guess in the file system somewhere, or can I somehow boot into it from the live session?
[21:07] <laserbled> but I can mount tar files
[21:07] <cherva> llutz, thanks
[21:07] <mello> How do I install xfce 4.8 on natty? I already installed a shitload of apps before finding out that unity just doesn't run at all for me
[21:07] <acicula> ninjai: just press screenshot or shift-screenshot
[21:07] <ohsix> laserbled: aufs can do it but it is no better than extracting it entirely, because that is what it does
[21:07] <iceroot> brokenupgraydes: sed s/^version// :)
[21:08] <iceroot> brokenupgraydes: and remeber the backup!!!
[21:08] <brokenupgraydes> "Processing was halted because there were too many errors."
[21:08] <brokenupgraydes> fff.
[21:08] <Dominater> No Compiz on 11.04?
[21:08] <acicula> ninjai: prtscr or whatever abbreviation of printscreen your keyboard uses
[21:08] <ninjai> acicula, my problem is that i want a section of my browser, not the tabs and everything with it
[21:08] <macrossm> nope
[21:08] <hypetech> Dominater: it has compiz
[21:08] <jiohdi> mello in term:   sudo apt-get install xfce4
[21:08] <macrossm> they've removed it
[21:08] <nutsfornatty> ninjai: its the "take screenshot" app (yes that is the name)
[21:08] <sgaap> Bisa, with 1 its just: 1. root (hx.x), where x.x is your disk and partition, 2 setup (hd0) and then quit (this is from the grub shell, just type grub on the cli)
[21:08] <UbuN2> ninjai, ubuntu has screenshot
[21:08] <macrossm> it does not have compiz
[21:08] <ohsix> Dominater: unity is compiz, with a unity plugin
[21:08] <acicula> ninjai: just edit the screenshot with gimp
[21:08] <macrossm> all setting are overridden by unity
[21:08] <ohsix> macrossm: you are not listening to me
[21:08] <macrossm> none of the features work
[21:08] <mello> jiohdi, if xfce works.. can i also remove all gnome shizzle?
[21:08] <sgaap> Bisa: assuming your bootdisk is the first one
[21:08] <ninjai> CLARIFICATION: I know ubuntu has screenshot capabilities, but I want to take a screen of a specific section
[21:08] <eoke> Fresh install of Ubuntu 11.04 AMD64 on a disk with Windows 7 Pro.  Installation involving encryption and lvm went smoothly and grub installed.  After rebooting I found the first option in grub doesn't boot the machine just a flashing cursor.  The second option I think it's labeled safe or recovery boots ok.  I've tried update grub and also tried reinstalling grub.  Any ideas?
[21:08] <Dominater> hypetech , what about the Cube?
[21:08] <macrossm> you can keep saying it has compiz
[21:09] <ohsix> macrossm: if you are going to persist you will be removed
[21:09] <macrossm> but you know why people run compiz
[21:09] <iceroot> macrossm: of course it has compiz
[21:09] <macrossm> for the fancy features and none work for uniuty
[21:09] <nutsfornatty> nanjai the take screenshot app will allow you to do that
[21:09] <hypetech> Dominater: it's in the settings, but my computer can't run it so I haven't turned it on
[21:09] <UbuN2> applications > accessories > take a screenshot
[21:09] <ohsix> macrossm: i am running compiz, you are lying to people
[21:09] <jiohdi> mello: you should keep most of it as your gnome programs may require some of them
[21:09] <sgaap> Bisa: remember, disk 1, partition 1 is hd (0,0) in grub 1
[21:09] <iceroot> macrossm: dpkg -l \*compiz\* | grep ^ii  says my natty has compiz
[21:09] <ohsix> macrossm: and this is a help channel
[21:09] <UbuN2> then tick grab a section u want to grab
[21:09] <Kevin147> Is 11.04 the stable version or only beta??
[21:09] <acicula> ninjai: the screenshot makes a screenshot at the resolution of the desktop, you can just edit it from there?
[21:09] <hypetech> Kevin147: stable as of today
[21:09] <ayecee> Kevin147: now stable
[21:09] <macrossm> i'm running it too no plugins work except the unity one which is lame
[21:09] <Kevin147> alright
[21:09] <Kevin147> thanks
[21:09] <ohsix> macrossm: i even explained why you are seeing what you are seeing
[21:10] <Bisa> sgaap, no its the hd3 I think, but Im not sure how to go from here really, Ive got a live ubuntu usb stick in where I can access irc ^^
[21:10] <mello> jiohdi: i guess it's safe to remove gnome-shell? I tried installing it, but not much luck either
[21:10] <ohsix> !ops
[21:10] <nerdshell> maco: the computer recognizes my iphone hostspot but not my wifi network
[21:10] <maco> ohsix: whats the emergency?
[21:10] <ninjai> acicula, it's too much work.  gimp takes a long time to load, then i need to create a new file of the specific size of the data i am snagging out, then save it... its way easier just to draw a box on my screen, click 'capture' or something.
[21:10] <jiohdi> mello: yes after you get the xfce you can uninstall whatever you do not want
[21:10] <Rehan> does canonical release a new version every 6 months whether or not the version is really stable? Are they very locked into the 6 month timeline?
[21:10] <ohsix> maco: no fire, didn't realize you were an op, just needed eyes
[21:11] <sgaap> Bisa, if you have booted into a livecd you can use the grub command to get into the grub command line
[21:11] <sgaap> \
[21:11] <maco> Rehan: 6.06 was delayed by two months
[21:11] <IdleOne> ohsix: eyes for what?
[21:11] <nutsfornatty> ninjai: go to the Take Screenshot app. open it. select "grab an area" and select your area. done
[21:11] <LjL> ohsix: please only call !ops if there is a serious reason
[21:11] <acicula> ninjai: dunno if there is a program that lets you do that, you can hold shift or ctrl to modify what section printscreen captures though
[21:11] <Bisa> sgaap, ah, I see, cheers
[21:11] <ohsix> LjL: noted
[21:11] <sgaap> Bisa: there you can set your linux root and install it with setup (hd0) into your mbt
[21:11] <ohsix> IdleOne: for macrossm
[21:11] <nutsfornatty> guys the screenshot app allows you to capture a smaller area, no need for gimp
[21:11] <macrossm> he was hoping to alret you to my complaints about releasing beta software in a major release
[21:11] <maco> Rehan: but no release will be bug-free, when few people test more than a month before release :(
[21:11] <SubCool> could someone help with an ops. I somehow created a loop script of x11vnc, can someone help me find it and delete it?
[21:11] <Ahmuck> sebsebseb: thanks.  that worked great
[21:12] <maco> Rehan: well, no release will be bug-free, period ;-) but having bug reports with actual time to complete them is nice!
[21:12] <ohsix> macrossm: #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:12] <nerdshell> ohsix: the computer find my Iphone Hostpot but not my wifi network
[21:12] <phoenixsampras> its taking 98 hours to UPDATE!!
[21:12] <maco> (also help with fixing them is also nice. if you want to help join #ubuntu-bugs)
[21:12] <dotblank> macrossm, yea this not #ubuintu-complain
[21:12] <Bisa> sgaap, right, got grub installed now
[21:12] <acicula> phoenixsampras: slow download speed?
[21:12] <maco> nerdshell: is your wifi network running on a very high channel?
[21:12] <nastjuid> oh sweet. I can install with the alternate cd and not have to use the new gnome
[21:12] <ohsix> nerdshell: hm thats interesting
[21:12] <Rehan> maco: oh i see. Is there a huge jump in # of adopters AFTER its considered out of beta?
[21:12] <hypetech> nastjuid: you can do that with the normal cd
[21:12] <sgaap> Bisa: if everything went ok you should see grub after a boot now
[21:12] <maco> Rehan: yes
[21:12] <nutsfornatty> updating ubuntu right now is like shopping at best buy during Dec 23rd. you know what you are getting into
[21:13] <nastjuid> hypetech: oh, I must have missed the option. I'll check that out thanks :)
[21:13] <ohsix> nastjuid: there is no new gnome, there is a new default session that uses compiz and the unity plugin as a window manager
[21:13] <sgaap> Bisa, if they value for root is wrong, you can change it by changing the entries
[21:13] <eoke> nutsfornatty, yes but it's so tempting :D
[21:13] <Dominater> is there Cube on 11.04?
[21:13] <maco> nerdshell: like, i think channel 13 is europe-only (or only recently added to the US?) ... in which case your driver might not look that high by default
[21:13] <rhizmoe> is there an xterm replacement that uses tabs? screen is kind of a pain for local stuff.
[21:13] <hypetech> nastjuid: when you go to log in, you can select "Ubuntu Classic" for your session
[21:13] <sgaap> Bisa: with "e" from grub
[21:13] <ohsix> nastjuid: iit's on the login screen :]
[21:13] <nastjuid> ohsix: thanks for that clarification
[21:13] <Bisa> sgaap, just to be sure, what exactly did I have to type if I wanted to install grub on hd3?
[21:13] <nastjuid> ! thanks :)
[21:13] <Rehan> maco: i'm switching to ubuntu from 20 years of windows and i love the ideology of ubuntu but it still seems kind of hodge podge at best so far (my experience with 10.10). It could just be my hardware though. I hope to report on bugs though.
[21:13] <eoke> maco, nerdshell: I've had similar issues with kindles refusing to connect to channel 1 and 14.
[21:13] <jumbers> Is there a way to point do-release-upgrade at an ISO file? I downloaded the ISO like 14 hours ago before it was on all the mirrors
[21:14] <ohsix> nerdshell: to check if that is the case (that maco said) you can run sudo iw reg getin a terminal
[21:14] <bonny> i need a game for a really low video card
[21:14] <nerdshell> maco: but my wifi was working fine on 10.10
[21:14] <macrossm> ccsm doesn't open on my second nor does anything else after the upgrade ...any ideas ?
[21:14] <maco> Rehan: lots of replies to requests for checking on reproducibility of a reported bug in the devel release (so we know whether to spend resources on it) are of the form "ok, well i'll let you know when its beta" or "i'll check after the stable release" .. which is way too late
[21:14] <sgaap> Bisa, you need to set the root of you linux partition with root (hd2,partition) then and install it with setup (hd0), this is assuming you boot from your first disk
[21:14] <hypetech> jumbers: I'd recommend just burning the ISO and doing the upgrade from the boot
[21:14] <dotblank> Rehan, hodge podge? oh yes but only best hodge podge.
[21:14] <ohsix> nerdshell: it will tell you the current regulatory restrictions
[21:14] <SubCool> maybe this will work better -
[21:14] <nutsfornatty> bonny: try the indy humble games? revenge of the titans runs well on my system
[21:14] <azi`> hello. is there any way to switch to the previous layout of the desktop? this layout in ubuntu 10.10 is just useless
[21:14] <jumbers> hypetech: Well this is on a remote server that I don't have physical access to
[21:15] <sgaap> Bisa, if linux is on your first partition of your 3th disk that would be hd(2,0)
[21:15] <ohsix> maco: thanks for telling people that, i don't have  the energy for it :]
[21:15] <bonny> ok
[21:15] <tasslehoff> I'm running 11.04 on a MacBook Pro (with norwegian layout). Out of the box the modifier keys (ctrl, alt, shift, cmd) work like they should for launcher, unity and workspaces, but I can't get to the symbols I get in osx with shift-cmd-<number-key>.
[21:15] <hypetech> jumbers: is it a virtual machine where you could mount the iso then reboot?
[21:15] <nothingspecial> azi`: select classic ubuntu at login
[21:15] <rhizmoe> ok, gnome-terminal has tabs. silly me.
[21:15] <nutsfornatty> switch to classic ubuntu instructions: go to login screen -> look at bottom panel -> change "ubuntu" to "ubuntu classic" -> login -> done
[21:15] <ohsix> azi`: pick "classic desktop" on the login screen
[21:15] <azi`> nothingspecial: i have autologin set on
[21:15] <Maxik> hello, update to 11.04 crashed on my laptop, os isn't working now, how can i fix that?
[21:15] <Rehan> dotblank: it could just be my hardware but setting up ubuntu 10.10 wasnt easy at all
[21:15] <azi`> ohsix: what if my machine automatically logs in?
[21:15] <jumbers> hypetech: Nope, dedicated box. I assume I could just mount the ISO right?
[21:15] <Bisa> sgaap, hmmz, Im pretty confident that I changed the boot order in my bios to first boot from my hd3 disk is that the same thing_
[21:15] <ohsix> ugh autologon
[21:15] <macrossm> 11.04 not able to do multiple screens yet ?
[21:15] <nerdshell> ohsix: can you rewrite the command please, I think you didn't write it corrctly
[21:16] <Rehan> dotblank: thats why I was wondering whats considered a stable release
[21:16] <ohsix> azi`: you know your keyring has to be insecure to do that as well
[21:16] <dotblank> Rehan, most likely your hardware.. ubuntu 10.10/.04 was incredibly stable
[21:16] <Maxik> i've already tried everything i found on the internet
[21:16] <hypetech> jumbers: you could mount the iso but I'm not sure if it can upgrade while it's booted.  I haven't tried that way
[21:16] <sgaap> Bisa, you need to do the setup (hdX) to whatever disk your bios boots from
[21:16] <azi`> ohsix: sure
[21:16] <ohsix> nerdshell: "sudo iw reg get"
[21:16] <nothingspecial> azi`: then turn it off, in the system settings when you click your username - top right
[21:16] <ohsix> azi`: thats a big tradeoff :[
[21:16] <VCoolio> tasslehoff: you mean unicode symbols? try ctrl+shift+u then the code, enter
[21:16] <Bisa> sgaap, right, lemmi give that a go
[21:16] <llutz> sgaap: grub2 counts partitions from 1 (grub1 started at 0)
[21:16] <Rehan> dotblank: i get the feeling that ubuntu works really well on stuff 5 years old and pretty poorly on stuff 1-2 years old.  Is that correct?
[21:16] <[lan3y]> you can mount isos in grub if that helps
[21:17] <ohsix> Rehan: that is incorrect
[21:17] <sgaap> Bisa, im not sure if those insctructions are valid for grub 2, havent got any hands-on experience with that
[21:17] <dotblank> Rehan, wrong..
[21:17] <nutsfornatty> rehan: it depends on the hardware.
[21:17] <ohsix> hardly
[21:17] <ohsix> it depends on people reporting bugs
[21:17] <cyoz1> damn ubuntu uses 100% cpu for no reason
[21:17] <usr13> Rehan: I think it looks like "hoge poge" to you because you are not used to it. Sometimes different appears as broken. Sometimes an application doesn't preform as we expect it to and we believe it is irratic or irrational.
[21:17] <tasslehoff> VCoolio: the ones I miss most are square and curly brackets. hard to program without them. is that unicode symbols?
[21:17] <ohsix> cyoz1: theres a  reason, interested in finding it?
[21:18] <nutsfornatty> ubuntu using 3% here and i have quite a few apps open
[21:18] <kaiuwe> hm in natty nvidia-settings always says "cannot open /etc/X11/xorg.conf for writing" thus making my changes (two monitor configuration) vanish on restart
[21:18] <sgaap> Bisa, if its grub 2 best to check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[21:18] <dotblank> cyoz1, there is always a reason
[21:18] <maco> Rehan: please do feel free to file bugs on what you think is wrong and also ones for the Hundred Papercuts project on usability bugs
[21:18] <SubCool> Ok- how can i deteremine why x11vnc is opening infintietly
[21:18] <usr13> *erratic
[21:18] <tashkas> how i can share IGMP over shared connection between two lan cards???
[21:18] <skulltip> what's the terminal irc client in case i have issues?
[21:18] <Rehan> usr13: i'm def no linux master but I appreciate the difference in looks and user interface. I don't mind that at all. I just haven't experienced an ubuntu install yet where I didn't have to scour through forum posts to get hardware to work properly.
[21:18] <hypetech> skulltip: irssi
[21:18] <LjL> skulltip: irssi is a popular one
[21:18] <acicula> skulltip: irssi
[21:18] <sgaap> kaiuwe: you run it with sudo?
[21:19] <skulltip> ty
[21:19] <laumonier> hi i have an upgrade problem when i try to get natty i get this after a little moment during the source configuration http://paste.ubuntu.com/600431/
[21:19] <dotblank> maco, to be fair some hardware issues can't be solved that way.. most of them are issues with the manufacturer
[21:19] <Shoogy> What is the best way to remote into linux from a windows desktop
[21:19] <TheRedOctober> Is there a way to keep audio working when you hot switch from an X session to a tty session?
[21:19] <acicula> Shoogy: ssh/putty or vnc
[21:19] <Shoogy> what do you recommend
[21:19] <tensorpudding> Shoogy: configure remote desktop sharing
[21:19] <ninjai> acicula, shutter does what I require.
[21:19] <tashkas> how i can share IGMP over shared connection between two lan cards????
[21:19] <hypetech> Shoogy: putty for command line, vnc for graphical interface
[21:19] <dotblank> maco, but at least you'll know about them
[21:19] <bastidrazor> TheRedOctober: once you log in to the tty the audio should continue
[21:19] <mero48> Hello, I've got message when starting grub: No video mode selected. how can i hide this message ?
[21:19] <acicula> Shoogy: do you want a terminal or graphics
[21:19] <Shoogy> I need the graphical as I am running stuff on it for servers
[21:20] <ohsix> Rehan: problem #1 is searching forums for _solutions_
[21:20] <maco> dotblank: we can do a lot of workarounds in the kernel
[21:20] <Rehan> my sony vaio and hp pavilion laptops have both had hardware issues on a default install
[21:20] <acicula> heu servers and graphical stuff?
[21:20] <Shoogy> yeah
[21:20] <hypetech> Shoogy: running a server would be the reason why you WOULDN'T use graphical but okay :p  Use VNC for graphical
[21:20] <maco> dotblank: i only personally know how to do a few audio ones, but i know other subsystems use quirks as well
[21:20] <tensorpudding> Shoogy: open Remote Desktop Preferences, and allow people to connect remotely
[21:20] <Shoogy> it is a minecraft server
[21:20] <acicula> Shoogy: enable remote desktop under system->preferences and then you can connecgt via vnc
[21:20] <dotblank> maco, at risks of regressions?
[21:20] <Bisa> sgaap, thnx for the help, appreciate it - but I think Im just going to revert my bios settings and format and do a clean install
[21:20] <VCoolio> tasslehoff: I have those on my keyboard; see if you can assign keys to provide those using xmodmap
[21:20] <the67pc> People
[21:20] <[lan3y]> Rehan, what pavilion do you have?
[21:20] <the67pc> listen to me
[21:20] <blit> hi, I've played with beta 2 for the last 10 days, upgrading packages as needed. should I install the freshly released one?
[21:20] <Shoogy> it is going to be via lan too
[21:20] <the67pc> Is god when we have an private eye for ubuntu
[21:21] <tashkas> accicula do u know how to run iptv on two lan cards?
[21:21] <maco> dotblank:  the regression potential depends on the manufacturer. there are some *cough*apple*cough* who like to give multiple pieces of hardware the same hardware IDs and revision numbers
[21:21] <tensorpudding> Shoogy: then on the Windows computer, install a VNC client like UltraVNC or TightVNC, and specify to connect to the Ubuntu machine by hostname, on display :0
[21:21] <the67pc> we need a private eye for ubuntu
[21:21] <Rehan> ohsix: i don't mind searching forums for solutions.
[21:21] <LjL> the67pc: do you have a support question for us?
[21:21] <ohsix> Rehan: at best workarounds, at worst nobody knows what is going on and can't elaborate; so practically speaking, a waste of time if you actually desire remedy
[21:21] <Bisa> sgaap, got all my data backed up any way, grub and mbr is the next chapter of my linux learning experience me thinks
[21:21] <Shoogy> awesomne
[21:21] <Shoogy> thank you guys
[21:21] <hypetech> the67pc: do you have a question?
[21:21] <ohsix> Rehan: search bugs
[21:21] <acicula> blit: you can but its not needed, if you experience no issues i would not bother
[21:21] <sgaap> Bisa, np, but i still advice checking the howto for grub 2 if its that, there is also a gui for ubuntu to configure grub2
[21:21] <LjL> the67pc: what do you mean a private eye? it sounds like something that might be better discussed in #ubuntu-offtopic, but i'm not sure
[21:21] <usr13> Rehan: Ahhhh, hardware.  Yes, there are printers that do not have drivers in linux. There are wireless network adapters that do not have fully funtioning drivers. etc.  Yes you are correct. (But that is different. And ... well I could go on, but we should join #ubuntu-offtopci for more.)
[21:21] <woodn> has anyone run into an issue with crypt() on natty?
[21:21] <Shoogy> I am still pretty new to linux and are still learning
[21:21] <ohsix> Rehan: lacking said bugs, report bugs
[21:21] <proq> what shell command do I run to take a CD installer and copy it to a usb stick?
[21:21] <sgaap> Bisa, which you should be able to use from a live cd of 11.04
[21:21] <the67pc> Ok...
[21:21] <the67pc> Private eye is an security tool for passwords
[21:21] <the67pc> or ...
[21:21] <Bisa> sgaap, oh, really, package name listed on that wiki link perhaps?
[21:21] <dotblank> maco, yea its not ubuntu's fault it doesn't work.. its the hardware manufacturer. and as such you should not support any hw that isn't supported in linux
[21:22] <Rehan> ohsix: i agree with the process, I'm just saying that I don't understand what is the definition of stable
[21:22] <the67pc> or...
[21:22] <nutsfornatty> shoogy: you will do fine. :-)
[21:22] <Shoogy> I have used linux before so that I can take files off of a corrupt windows install
[21:22] <tensorpudding> Shoogy: this is the easiest way, but for many reasons, running VNC services on a server that is open outside of the LAN is a bad idea due to security risks
[21:22] <the67pc> for your computer
[21:22] <dajhorn_> proq: unetbootin at the prompt
[21:22] <sgaap> Bisa, let me check
[21:22] <LjL> the67pc: to do what, crack passwords?
[21:22] <the67pc> to protect your screenn
[21:22] <the67pc> noo
[21:22] <the67pc> wait
[21:22] <ohsix> Rehan: then the maintainers/packagers will be participating & they can do more than guess or tell you to do something awful that nobody really knows is awful, but accept as valid workarounds
[21:22] <Shoogy> what do you recommend then tensor
[21:22] <the67pc> The software protect your screen
[21:22] <tensorpudding> Shoogy: you said this was for a LAN, right?
[21:22] <nerdshell> ohsix: iw : command not foud
[21:22] <acicula> the67pc: you want to lock your screen?
[21:22] <corecode> how do you get a proper menu style, and not that apple menu style?
[21:22] <dotblank> maco, at this point, not releaseing drivers for linux is a terrible terrible idea
[21:22] <the67pc> when anybody look at your screen
[21:22] <citn> Hi, I am currently listening to some internet radio. How can I record it in Ubuntu?
[21:22] <tashkas> how i can share IGMP over shared connection between two lan cards????
[21:22] <ohsix> Rehan: the definition of stable is fixed & supported, by backports of fixes or otherwise
[21:22] <the67pc> yes lock with a black screen
[21:23] <ohsix> nerdshell: ok sec
[21:23] <the67pc> wait a minute
[21:23] <hypetech> the67pc: ctrl+alt+L
[21:23] <LjL> the67pc: ubuntu has that by default, it locks after a while
[21:23] <sgaap> Bisa: sudo apt-get install startupmanager
[21:23] <tensorpudding> Shoogy: is your machine public-routable?
[21:23] <LjL> the67pc: please try to keep your sentences on one line, it's busy here
[21:23] <nutsfornatty> the offical ati drivers are out for 11.04... no clue about nvidia atm
[21:23] <acicula> the67pc: tried clicking on lock screen instead of logout/halt?
[21:23] <escott> the67pc, gnome-screensaver-control -lock
[21:23] <Bisa> sgaap, thnx
[21:23] <sgaap> Bisa; havent tested it myself so im not sure what it can do
[21:23] <acicula> the67pc: top right corner
[21:23] <the67pc> nooo people
[21:23] <the67pc> wait
[21:23] <ejv> is it out? :)
[21:23] <uofm49426> anyone tell me how to edit videoram in 10.10
[21:23] <Witchsong_> http://cdn.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/2yxnj3c_thumb.jpg <-- Anyone know what icon set is used there?
[21:23] <ohsix> sgaap: it comes with one
[21:23] <LjL> ejv: quite
[21:23] <sgaap> Bisa, you should run it with sudo at least
[21:23] <acicula> uofm49426: eh, that does not compute
[21:23] <ejv> has that dreadful power regression been fixed?
[21:24] <Monotoko> any flight sims for Linux you guys know of?
[21:24] <ejv> the one phoronix wrote about?
[21:24] <ryankask> i can't boot the live 11.04  CD without having a flickering screen with all sorts of colored lines... should i try to upgrade from 10.10 and debug from there? were there any many changes to hardware support in 11.04?
[21:24] <the67pc> see this: http://migre.me/4nL2Q
[21:24] <LjL> !info flightgear | Monotoko
[21:24] <acicula> ejv: isnt that for a newer kernel?
[21:24] <the67pc> the document is Brazilian
[21:24] <Bisa> sgaap, yeap, brb and thnx again ^^
[21:24] <ohsix> uofm49426: do you mean ram or the BAR/pci stuff?
[21:24] <Monotoko> excellent
[21:24] <sgaap> ejv: i dont think so, still in the lastest kernel release
[21:24] <escott> Monotoko, flightgear
[21:24] <the67pc> but have a text down with the video
[21:24] <sgaap> Brisa: gl
[21:24] <NickUK`> What's the best way to write a BootCD of Ubuntu in Ubuntu?
[21:24] <Rehan> ohsix: know of any laptop that would have the same out of the box functionality with Ubuntu as Win7? I must just have bad luck with the two I have
[21:24] <skulltip> Monotoko - X-plane is best commercial one
[21:24] <acicula> NickUK`: just right click an iso and select burn?
[21:24] <the67pc> you can't read it with google translate
[21:24] <ohsix> ejv: the one phoronix speculates about you mean?
[21:24] <uofm49426> max ubuntu by default in ubuntu is 8 mb
[21:24] <sam555> hello all!
[21:25] <sam555> which log in /var/log would tell me when the computer restarted?
[21:25] <dotblank> Rehan, its usually the wireless cards I have issues with
[21:25] <ohsix> Rehan: yea probably bad luck
[21:25] <NickUK`> acicula,  Alright- I was just wondering if you needed another application to make it bootable like the Windows ImgBurn/MagicISO etc
[21:25] <uofm49426> for my i915
[21:25] <NickUK`> Thanks though
[21:25] <the67pc> You don't have to learn Portuguese
[21:25] <ejv> ohsix: haha it looked pretty convincing, especially with the unlabeled X-axes ;)
[21:25] <escott> sam555, syslog should say
[21:25] <acicula> sam555: uptime will tell you when it last restarted
[21:25] <ohsix> Rehan: worst case for me out of lots of trials is nonworking feature keys
[21:25] <ejv> sgaap: :(
[21:25] <LAcan> is there a way to safely delete my swap partition and add it to my existing filesystem?
[21:25] <uofm49426> it can use 128
[21:25] <ejv> acicula: not sure
[21:25] <sam555> thanks escott and acicula
[21:25] <ohsix> ejv: thats what they do, unfortunately all that they do
[21:25] <acicula> sam555: but syslog or messages will probably log restart mssges
[21:25] <dotblank> LAcan, you can swapof
[21:25] <escott> LAcan, swapoff and then grow, but not advisable if you run out of memory
[21:25] <dotblank> and if you use lvm you can add it while the system is running
[21:26] <Rehan> ohsix: yeah i don't even expect those to work ever when i'm installing ubuntu
[21:26] <LjL> uhm the67pc, i understand now, but i should warn you that this kind of "face recognition" software is really not  very secure. a good password is better.
[21:26] <acicula> uofm49426: oh you want to increase the amount of video memory available
[21:26] <LAcan> escott, dotblank i have 8GBS of physical memory... is running out a likely problem?
[21:26] <ohsix> ejv: fwiw i have seen very slight temp increases, but if it affects battery life, on my laptop it's like 3 minutes out of 2 hours
[21:26] <tasslehoff> VCoolio: layout -> options -> key to choose 3d level -> any alt key = problem fixed :)
[21:26] <the67pc> I know LjL but, is for security for people don't have a security password
[21:26] <dotblank> LAcan, no  not likely but a kernel starved of memory does some pretty terrible things
[21:26] <acicula> uofm49426: eh, you can set that in the bios for integrated graphics i would think, maybe look at what its set at there? are you sure you can even set it higher then 8Mb?
[21:26] <ryankask> is there any way to inspect graphics card issues from the natty live cd?
[21:27] <dotblank> LAcan, I hear you can create a swap file and loopback mount it
[21:27] <Leo> escott: That did it! I got up to about 2500 bits and blasted the 2192-bit key through before it could drop again. For some reason the buffer runs down quickly until it gets down to about the 100-200 bit range where it bounces around.
[21:27] <uofm49426> yes
[21:27] <ryankask> i.e. abort x
[21:27] <escott> LAcan, it could
[21:27] <tasslehoff> VCoolio: no... then the desktop switching stopped working... argh.
[21:27] <acicula> ryankask: yeah you can
[21:27] <LAcan> dotblank, gotcha... now this swapoff... i can just run that through a terminal window?
[21:27] <ohsix> ryankask: getting a black screen? intel or nvidia
[21:27] <bashelina> i want to install ubuntu from an usb drive... from an existing ubuntu system
[21:27] <Gorilla_No_Baka> hello everyone
[21:27] <ryankask> ohsix:  i'm not getting a black screen i'm getting a flicekring screen
[21:27] <escott> Leo, excellent mine seems to drop too i'm not sure what could be using entropy you could lsof /dev/random
[21:27] <ohsix> ryankask: and the other question?
[21:28] <VCoolio> tasslehoff: at least you now know you need 3rd level for those keys; set another key for that
[21:28] <ryankask> ohsix: very hard to see but http://www2.ryankaskel.com/misc/images/screenshots/natty-startup.jpg
[21:28] <acicula> how do i enable ecryptfs for an existing user
[21:28] <uofm49426> bios no
[21:28] <dotblank> LAcan, yea.. but I don't know if you can grow ext3/4 while running the system on it
[21:28] <ohsix> ryankask: ah, intel then?
[21:28] <escott> LAcan, also without swap you can't suspend/resume
[21:28] <uofm49426> in windows it uses drivers
[21:28] <ryankask> ohsix: basically i'm running 10.10 fine and i don't see why i can't boot into it. should i just try upgrading? or can i debug like i could if i upgraded from the live CD?
[21:28] <LAcan> dotblank, i can run swapoff and then boot some other OS to grow the partition... sound right?
[21:28] <escott> LAcan, any grown of a mounted partition must happen offlien
[21:28] <ryankask> ohsix: it's on board intel and nvidia
[21:28] <[dlp]> acicula: It's complicated.
[21:29] <mang0> I can't even install 10.10 from the livecd!
[21:29] <acicula> [dlp]: thats ok
[21:29] <dotblank> LAcan, if you boot into another OS/source you don't even need to swapoff
[21:29] <mang0> .__.
[21:29] <SubCool> How come this command creates a loop of x11vnc: echo "/usr/bin/x11vnc -forever -rfbport 5900 -rfbauth ~/.vnc/x11vnc.pass -o ~/.vnc/x11vnc.log -loopbg -display :0" > ~/.kde/Autostart/x11vnc.sh chmod +x ~/.kde/Autostart/x11vnc.sh
[21:29] <ohsix> ryankask: reclocking lvds can do that, but it's a bug, reporting it with a picture should be enough, the intel developers know what it is
[21:29] <LAcan> dotblank, i can just nuke it?
[21:29] <[dlp]> acicula: You can easily create an encfs filesystem.
[21:29] <adwonw> I just installed Ubuntu. Why doesn't it run Unity, but gnome?
[21:29] <dotblank> LAcan, you should.. and if doesn't let you nuke it then you swapoff
[21:29] <jnlsnl_> can i give root same ssh keys as an user
[21:29] <[dlp]> acicula: But do you want to use it for authentication and encrypt the whole home directory?
[21:29] <ryankask> ohsix: where should i report that?
[21:29] <ohsix> [dlp]: bad advice :[
[21:29] <acicula> [dlp]: i just want to enable ubuntus default ecryptfs where it mounts .Private on login in the users home directory
[21:29] <Dominater> how do i enable 3D cube on 11.04?
[21:29] <SubCool> More or less: this part. /usr/bin/x11vnc -forever -rfbport 5900 -rfbauth ~/.vnc/x11vnc.pass -o ~/.vnc/x11vnc.log -loopbg -display :0
[21:30] <ryankask> ohsix: and should i cancel my upgrade of natty until it's fixed
[21:30] <dotblank> jnlsnl_, yes you can.. the ssh keys are stored in ~/.ssh
[21:30] <uofm49426> in the xorg i just need to add VideoRam    130560  but there is no xorg.conf anymore
[21:30] <woodn> im pretty stuck on an issue with crypt() - both my jabber server and any program i try to write complain about crypt() being undefined...and i just can't seem to find what might have happened in the upgrade to cause this
[21:30] <LAcan> dotblank, maybe aill swapoff just to be safe then boot windows and extend the partition... sound safe?
[21:30] <Leo> escott: Good question: lsof /dev/random return an empty list here for me. Thank you for your help!
[21:30] <adwonw> Is gnome the default interface in Ubuntu 11.04 or wht?
[21:30] <dotblank> jnlsnl_, you can also symlink the entire ~/.ssh folder to your user so they always stay in sync
[21:30] <jnlsnl_> dotblank so if i cp mu ssh keys from user/.ssh to root/.ssh it should work ?
[21:30] <profundo> no, unity is
[21:30] <dotblank> LAcan, windows will be unable to extend the partition
[21:30] <uofm49426> its a thinkpad x41
[21:30] <[dlp]> acicula: I don't know how it works throught the GUI,
[21:31] <ohsix> ryankask: well, you can use xorg-edgers after the install probably, chances are it already includes the fix, but with respect to ubuntu it needs the bug reported so they can backport the fix
[21:31] <dotblank> jnlsnl_, yes
[21:31] <adwonw> Then why doesn't Unity load, but gnome?!
[21:31] <LAcan> dotblank, because its ext? i should use a linux grow util like parted then?
[21:31] <Dominater> how do i enable 3D cube on 11.04?
[21:31] <dotblank> LAcan, aye
[21:31] <BajK> what i dont understand is: is there no standardized API or something for graphics/resoluiton settings? In Windows no matter which driver you use (and I doubt they are open source) you can manage them from the exact same spot (at least the basic functions) without problem, in Linux with the proprietary drivers you always need to rely on those shitty tools they bring with
[21:31] <LAcan> dotblank, escott thanks guys, wish me luck!
[21:31] <[dlp]> acicula: I've done it manually.
[21:31] <golona> golona
[21:31] <escott> jnlsnl_, you may have permission problems with that
[21:31] <ohsix> adwonw: pick the other session on the login screen
[21:31] <|Seth|> Hey! So I need some help with grub
[21:31] <[dlp]> acicula: You have to set up pam_encfs
[21:32] <golona> lkll
[21:32] <dotblank> escott, but he'll be root :)
[21:32] <ohsix> [dlp]: bad advice
[21:32] <Confusionist> Hey, I'm upgrading from maverick to natty and running into a problem with the Python upgrade that turned into a blocker for finishing it. It's complaining that: "Setting up python2.7-minimal (2.7.1-5ubuntu2) ...
[21:32] <Confusionist> Linking and byte-compiling packages for runtime python2.7...
[21:32] <Confusionist> E: pycompile:240: Requested versions are not installed"
[21:32] <acicula> [dlp]: eh k, got a linky somewhere or something?
[21:32] <[dlp]> Yeah?
[21:32] <adwonw> ohsix, I tried Ubuntu, Ubuntu classic etc. None is Unity.
[21:32] <corecode> how do i get gnome-panel to start by default?
[21:32] <ryankask> ohsix: hmm i believe i use edgers on 1.10 now... where should i report this?
[21:32] <tensorpudding> BajK: what exactly is it you want for a "standard api"
[21:32] <guntbert> |Seth|: what is the problem?
[21:32] <[dlp]> ohsix: So what would you suggest?
[21:32] <golona> revolution
[21:32] <ohsix> [dlp]: doing what he asked to do
[21:32] <guntbert> golona:  Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[21:32] <|Seth|> guntbert: error: symbol not found 'grub_env_export'
[21:32] <xyos_> is there a way to use xmonad and gnome 3, unity has failed me
[21:32] <adwonw> I'm running a new Ubuntu installation by the way.
[21:33] <jdahm> I'm getting an error: "ERROR: modinfo: could not find module nvidia_current"  And then the installer seems to have stopped, but nothing has crashed
[21:33] <ryankask> ohsix: if I use edgers now will it upgrading to natty downgrade it?
[21:33] <Confusionist> There's some bugs with this issue, but they are several months old and things have been changed afterwards
[21:33] <jdahm> is this something I should just wait for or try again?
[21:33] <escott> dotblank, unless ssh changes ownership of the file. he could add a host as root and find it broken for jnlsnl_
[21:33] <BajK> tensorpudding: as I said: in windos no matter which driver you use, you can change screen resolution and everything by using the Desktop settings while in Linux you always have to rely on the tools the driver makers provide
[21:33] <ohsix> ryankask: you'd need to add it after the natty upgrade
[21:33] <Confusionist> Anyone an idea what the best way to resolve this would be?
[21:33] <|Seth|> guntbert: Just installed 11.04
[21:33] <dotblank> jdahm, it is because you don't have the nvidia driver installed
[21:33] <dotblank> escott, only if he symlinks
[21:33] <k_89> hi ... i have a question... will upgrading my distro via the update manager remove my files in /usr and my installations of apache, django, etc
[21:33] <guntbert> |Seth|: never seen before ... did you upgrade from 10.10?
[21:33] <|Seth|> guntbert: yeah
[21:33] <tensorpudding> BajK: i'm pretty sure that the Resolution thing works with any driver you want
[21:33] <ryankask> ohsix: ok I've backed everything up I'm just going to give it a go
[21:33] <jdahm> dotblank: ok, but I'm just installing 11.04.  Why would it expect that I have it
[21:33] <jnlsnl_> PHP is run as the "www-data" user right?
[21:34] <escott> BajK, we have xrandr, but nvidia doesn't support it fully
[21:34] <ohsix> acicula: run ecryptfs-setup-private from a terminal
[21:34] <[dlp]> acicula: Ignore me then. Apparently I don't know what I'm talking about.
[21:34] <profundo> Hi, I am trying to update to ubuntu 11.04 from 10.10 and the update manager is freezing up and then saying to check my internet connection. it's only doing this for the distro update, other updates are fine. Anyone know why that might be? thanks
[21:34] <jdahm> dotblank: thats sort of what I expected but how can I make it continue and not worry about that?
[21:34] <darkz> Hey everyone... i installed 11.04 and now i can no longer connect to my wifi.. doesnt even show up, other AP's show up.. tested it from my 10.10 box, works fine... any ideas?
[21:34] <xyos_> if you installed django and apache from apt it wont remove them it will upgrade them
[21:34] <k_89> jnlsnl_, thats apache running as www-data, but apache tuns php, so, yes
[21:34] <dotblank> jdahm, well.. it could have gotten messed up the install. try using the proprietary driver install tool
[21:34] <k_89> php runs as www-data
[21:34] <guntbert> |Seth|: as I said, never seen - but it looks like the upgrade didn't run through completely
[21:34] <nerdshell> How can I downgrade to 10.10 please
[21:34] <|Seth|> guntbert: I looked around, and I can fix grub from a live CD, but I'd like to know if it has to be 11.04, or...?
[21:34] <soreau> darkz: What wifi chip is it?
[21:34] <adwonw> So, does anybody have any clue as to why only gnome loads in a new Ubuntu 11.04 installation?
[21:35] <ohsix> [dlp]: you very well may, but acicula would not know all the implications of encrypting everything without a lot of work; simply suggesting he enable it is a bad idea
[21:35] <jdahm> dotblank: I'm still on the livecd installing...
[21:35] <jnlsnl_> Ok... i need to somehow give "www-data" the same ssh keys as my "ubuntu" user
[21:35] <acicula> ohsix: will that setup an encrypted home dir or just an encrypted Private directory
[21:35] <jdahm> dotblank: it's not even done installing
[21:35] <sgaap> darkz: if your connection is ok maybe flush the dns cache?
[21:35] <jdahm> dotblank: it's just sitting there
[21:35] <dotblank> jdahm, oh well is it continueing regardless?
[21:35] <Stameni> is there any diference in performance if i setup separate /home partiton and if I don't  ?
[21:35] <dotblank> oh...
[21:35] <nerdshell> How can I downgrade to 10.10 please?
[21:35] <darkz> broadcom.. uses the STA driver soreau
[21:35] <jiohdi> adwonw: it isnt the only one... I am using fvwm-crystal
[21:35] <k_89> Will my data be affected by upgrading ubuntu
[21:35] <TheRedOctober> Has anyone yet figured out dual head monitors on LXDE or XFCE on 11.04?
[21:35] <ohsix> acicula: encrypted private, you do not want to encrypt everything :] just move the important things to encrypted storage
[21:35] <acicula> [dlp]: you need pam_enc to be installed probably to integrated mounting the ecryptfs on login
[21:35] <soreau> ! broadcom | darkz
[21:35] <helo> is there any way to switch the handedness of unity?
[21:35] <jdahm> dotblank: no, it seems to have stopped.  At least no other output is generated after that
[21:35] <nutsfornatty> switch to classic ubuntu instructions: go to login screen -> look at bottom panel -> change "ubuntu" to "ubuntu classic" -> login -> done
[21:35] <guntbert> |Seth|: no, it *should* work with any (recent) live CD  (but there *should* be no error either :-))
[21:35] <helo> i.e.- dash on the right instead of left
[21:35] <darkz> sgaap: dns cache has nothing to do with a ssid not showing hehe
[21:36] <profundo> no ideas?
[21:36] <acicula> ohsix: the ubuntu default these days is to mount ecrypt fs on the users home which is what i want
[21:36] <SubCool> PLEASE
[21:36] <|Seth|> guntbert: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1677888
[21:36] <uofm49426> if no one tells me how to edit wicom i going to debian
[21:36] <|Seth|> guntbert: if I can do that with my 10.10 cd then all's golden
[21:36] <sgaap> darkz, ok, i assumed you had a connection because the other updates went fine
[21:36] <dotblank> jdahm, what graphics card do you have?
[21:36] <helo> uofm49426: debian is a great distro
[21:36] <darkz> soreau: that is added to that site for 11.04?
[21:36] <nerdshell> How can I downgrade to 10.10 please?
[21:36] <jdahm> dotblank: nvidia tesla
[21:36] <adwonw> nutsfornutty, yes, I already did that and it still loads gnome.
[21:36] <ohsix> acicula: it's for sure not default; people might think they want that but it's a horrible idea
[21:36] <escott> nerdshell, cant
[21:36] <cordoval_> hi
[21:36] <xyos_> you cant downgrade
[21:36] <dotblank> jdahm, whaaa
[21:36] <nutsfornatty> you are still using linux. :-)
[21:36] <jiohdi> nerdshell: reinstall from an old cd
[21:36] <acicula> ohsix: its been that way for a few releases
[21:37] <cordoval_> escott: I get an error with havlet on another installation of natty
[21:37] <cordoval_> anyone knows about a havlet error on install returning code 100
[21:37] <cordoval_> something is not right
[21:37] <jdahm> dotblank: it's a current nvidia card
[21:37] <|Seth|> guntbert: so, I'll just do that with my 10.10 cd. thanks!
[21:37] <ohsix> acicula: my fresh install has no encrypted storage and no clear means to enable any
[21:37] <acicula> ohsix: maybe you are confused? im not talking FDE, but the entire home is encrypted, not just /home/user/Private
[21:37] <adwonw> Yeah, right, but isn't it supposed to load unity by default?
[21:37] <mictlantecuhtle> Hi, hoping someone can help clarify something for me. Just upgraded to Natty, appear to be suffering from the following (quoted from Release Notes) - "Under certain conditions, on systems equipped with nvidia GPUs, focused or maximized windows may be blank". However, the bug it links to (763680) is as follows
[21:37] <dotblank> jdahm, isn't the tesla serierss those cuda cards?
[21:37] <[dlp]> #
[21:37] <mictlantecuhtle> "Dash appears under full screen apps"
[21:37] <nerdshell> jiohdi: yes, but I will lose all of my data =(
[21:37] <ohsix> acicula: i know what you're saying, i'm saying it is no default and a silly idea
[21:37] <k_89> JUST ONE QUESTION , WILL I LOSE MY /usr DATA ON UPGRADING UBUNTU TO 11.04
[21:37] <soreau> darkz: Most of the information should still be relevant I presume
[21:38] <escott> cordoval_, locate havlet returns nothing for me. no idea what that is
[21:38] <jiohdi> nerdshell: burn a cd with your data first
[21:38] <LjL> k_89: not normally, but a backup is still a good idea. also, please don't SHOUT
[21:38] <acicula> k_89: yes
[21:38] <guntbert> |Seth|: was just reading it - I don't see any reason why it would not work with your 10.10 CD
[21:38] <phonex01> guys how can i configure recordmydesktop to record audio with video ?
[21:38] <xyos_> you wont lose your data
[21:38] <LjL> acicula: yes?
[21:38] <jdahm> dotblank: it's a modern nvidia card.  It's something like a GTX495 or something
[21:38] <cordoval_> anyone havlet problem returning 100 while installing natty ubuntu
[21:38] <guntbert> |Seth|: Good luck :-)
[21:38] <|Seth|> guntbert: okay, thanks!
[21:38] <acicula> LjL: err, nvm
[21:38] <cordoval_> what do you mean havlet
[21:38] <acicula> k_89: no it stays there unless you reinstall and format
[21:38] <cordoval_> locate?
[21:38] <darkz> soreau: ok cuz this is a ubuntu 11.04 issue alone.. 10.10 and less works fine
[21:38] <mictlantecuhtle> so my questions, I guess, are as follows - (1) is this fixable? (2) any ideas why the Release Notes appear to link to the wrong bug (or am I missing something)?
[21:38] <ryankask> ohsix: where should i report this to?
[21:38] <adwonw> Right, so I tried every session option(e.g., Ubuntu Classic, Ubuntu) but all load gnome.
[21:39] <jdahm> dotblank: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1)
[21:39] <[dlp]> acicula: Using it for auth *does* cause problems.
[21:39] <k_89> LjL, thanx, but really needed to know that, and the traffic here is mind-boggling
[21:39] <ohsix> acicula: but all the ecryptfs utilities are there, you can do what you like
[21:39] <escott> cordoval_, i don't know what havlet is. never heard of that program, its not on my system anywhere
[21:39] <jiohdi> adwonw: I had that problem, try typing unity into a term window
[21:39] <darkz> but brb lemme try this
[21:39] <dotblank> jdahm, well wow... I think you may have a fairly rare card if its a tesla series card.. your bug report would be valuable
[21:39] <cordoval_> wow
[21:39] <jdahm> dotblank: oh, it seems to have continued now
[21:39] <soreau> darkz: Does iwconfig show a wifi interface?
[21:39] <cordoval_> sorry it is halevt
[21:39] <cordoval_> halevt
[21:39] <dotblank> jdahm, oh so its not a tesla or at least it is one but has the chip for the gt 430
[21:39] <acicula> [dlp]: ecryptfs is not an authentication mechanism
[21:39] <cordoval_> escott: halevt
[21:39] <bisa> sgaap, yay! :D Im in, thank you so amazingly much ;P
[21:39] <ohsix> ryankask: launchpad.net, do you see that pattern _at_ boot or does it change after a while, like when the login screen might have started being displayed
[21:39] <[dlp]> acicula: It can be.
[21:40] <escott> cordoval_, hal i know what that is... not sure what evt is googling
[21:40] <darkz> soreau: yea, and when i scan i get 10+ SSID's but not my own
[21:40] <ohsix> [dlp]: no, pam can mount it with your credentials; that is something else
[21:40] <ryankask> ohsix: it's _very_ blurry but yes i can see text in the screen
[21:40] <escott> cordoval_, hal events manager
[21:40] <nastjuid> Would the 570 be tesla as well?
[21:40] <nutsfornatty> calibre keeps locking up in natty (using software center version)
[21:40] <bisa> sgaap, ch-something something mounting all partitions and installing grub that way worked like a charm =)
[21:40] <jdahm> dotblank: ok it's done installing now.  Now I have to deal with adding mdadm to the startup modules and then I should be OK.  I'll keep you posted on what happens after I restart
[21:40] <cordoval_> hmm, so it fails  loading usbs? let me try
[21:40] <sgaap> good to hear
[21:40] <Deft0nes> hey i just upgraded to ubuntu 11.04 stable, which seems to be working fine except the text in the top pane is barely visible
[21:40] <happyface> can I remove the 11.04 sidebar and have it look like the other releases?
[21:41] <[dlp]> ohsix: I see.
[21:41] <cordoval_> it does load usbs
[21:41] <hypetech> happyface: when you go to log in, choose "Ubuntu Classic" as your session
[21:41] <ohsix> ryankask: ok, then xserver-xorg-video-intel is what you probably want to file it against
[21:41] <jiohdi> happyface:  you can install one of the other desktops or just use classic
[21:41] <[dlp]> oic
[21:41] <cordoval_> wonder what other effects halevt would mess up
[21:41] <nutsfornatty> switch to classic ubuntu instructions: go to login screen -> look at bottom panel -> change "ubuntu" to "ubuntu classic" -> login -> done
[21:41] <darkz> soreau: btw i cant really use that site, i cant get online, eth doesnt work either
[21:41] <cordoval_> or how do I configure it properly or reinstall
[21:41] <cordoval_> because that will fix halevt
[21:41] <Guest35234> Anyone else have issues with upgrade process of downloading files taking FOREVER??
[21:41] <[dlp]> There is a wiki somewhere.
[21:41] <bisa> sgaap, make sur to go to sleep with a smile, u did someoone else really happy today =) now Im off, thnx again
[21:41] <Q-collective> Hey all. I have  a peculiar issue with my update-grub. It creates menu.lst files. Now, I'm on Grub 2, so it *should* be making grub.cfg files instead. Can anyone help me out?
[21:41] <dotblank> jdahm, and you ahve raid.. damn what system do you have
[21:41] <cordoval_> should I do sudo apt-get halevt? and see?
[21:41] <adwonw> nuts, already tried that; it still loads gnome.
[21:41] <bashelina> you cant combine default language english and have location in scandinavia .... wtf ?
[21:41] <acicula> [dlp]: ohsix ecryptfs-setup-private comes with a -a -all-home flag which setups an encrypted home, which is what i wanted
[21:41] <maco> Guest35234: how many thousands of people do you think are trying to download from the same servers as you?
[21:41] <sgaap> Brisa: yw
[21:42] <happyface> hypetech, jiohdi, thanks! The desktop users don't like change :P
[21:42] <slakar> hypershock where is he
[21:42] <adwonw> I typed "unity" in the terminal and this was the last line rendered:"Window manager warning: 0x1800003 (Bottom Exp) appears to be one of the offending windows with a timestamp of 167746096."
[21:42] <arand> Q-collective: Dod you have "grub" isntead of grub-pc installed?
[21:42] <adwonw> I assume it doesn't work.
[21:42] <ohsix> [dlp]: a tutorial or article on how to do it will not tell you the implications of doing so
[21:42] <maco> Guest35234: itll be slow for the next week
[21:42] <[dlp]> acicula: Be careful.
[21:42] <slakar> looking for a web designer
[21:42] <jiohdi> happyface: I went to fvwm-crystal
[21:42] <LjL> !ot | slakar
[21:42] <escott> cordoval_, sounds like a plan, and avoid hot plugging during the install
[21:42] <Q-collective> arand: I believe so
[21:42] <FoolsRun> Hey, is there an upgrade path from 10.04 to 11.04? Update-Manager is only showing 10.10 available.
[21:42] <Guest35234> That's what I figured
[21:42] <ohsix> acicula: i hope you read about the implications before you lose everything in an overreach
[21:42] <slakar> ok
[21:42] <profundo> I am trying to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 but the update manager is pausing and then saying I need to check that I am connected to the internet. Is it possible to upgrade manually?
[21:42] <guntbert> !language | bashelina
[21:42] <[dlp]> acicula: I had problems with this. encfs has a timeout
[21:42] <arand> Q-collective: Then that is your problem.
[21:42] <ryankask> ohsix: it's _very_ blurry but yes i can see text in the screen
[21:43] <Coty91> FoolsRun: You have to update to 10.10 first
[21:43] <ohsix> ryankask: i saw that
[21:43] <acicula> ohsix: best review how ecryptfs is setup on current ubuntu, the entire home is the default as of 9.10
[21:43] <nastjuid> jdahm: the tesla series cards would start with a C for the model number. C2070, C2050 . Is your card a GeForce GTX/Fermi based card?
[21:43] <FoolsRun> Coty91: Really? blech. Okay, thanks.
[21:43] <ohsix> acicula: then that is dumb
[21:43] <guntbert> FoolsRun: 10.04 -> 10.10 -> 11.04
[21:43] <bashelina> guntbert, help me instead of acting like a mom
[21:43] <[dlp]> acicula: if it times out while you're logged in, you start getting lots of "Transport endpoint not connected" errors.
[21:43] <ryankask> ohsix: sorry got disconnected. it's impossible to make out but when I ctl-alt-back i can see the colors reverting to a black screen and shutting donw
[21:43] <acicula> ohsix: i dont see why that is dumb
[21:43] <cordoval_> escott: it sayshlevt sub-processs post installation usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code 1
[21:43] <DaveCave23> anyone know a channel i can talk to people about powersupplys?
[21:43] <LjL> bashelina, mind the attitude. people here are volunteers.
[21:43] <corecode> how can i disable the "maximize when bumping a window to the screen border"?
[21:43] <guntbert> !guidelines | bashelina
[21:43] <cdavis> How do you change an icon on the unity panel?
[21:44] <bashelina> LjL, so am I
[21:44] <nutsfornatty> bashelina: be nice. please.
[21:44] <[dlp]> acicula: And it doesn't seem to remount on demand.
[21:44] <cordoval_> halevt 0.1.6.2-1.3
[21:44] <soreau> corecode: Disable Grid plugin in ccsm
[21:44] <acicula> [dlp]: ohsix ive been using ecryptfs without problems for years, i was just curious about how to enable it for a user that did not use ecryptfs before
[21:44] <[dlp]> acicula: Possibly waiting for input (which is impoossible since it won't have a controlling term)
[21:44] <ohsix> acicula: where are you seeing that it's some default? you just said you need to pass --all-home to do it, what default is that?
[21:44] <guntbert> bashelina: are you talking about natty?
[21:44] <escott> cordoval_, seems to be common and hal is deprecated so i doubt this is getting lots of attention. if you have any usb devices plugged in i would remove them
[21:44] <LjL> bashelina: then you'll certainly see how there are 1800 users here today, everyone wants their question answered, and nobody wants to be subjected to stuff they don't want to see. as to your question, i haven't used Natty yet, but with previous versions i could certainly pick a different language than my locale.
[21:45] <ohsix> acicula: default has a very narrow meaning with ubuntu
[21:45] <bashelina> guntbert, yes
[21:45] <cordoval_> no usbs
[21:45] <ohsix> acicula: for example, banshee is now a "default"
[21:45] <cordoval_> ok I will leave it there
[21:45] <cordoval_> thanks
[21:45] <cordoval_> now to work on the dead asus g73
[21:45] <guntbert> bashelina: then I cannot help, sorry (only 10.10 here)
[21:45] <bashelina> guntbert, in previous version there was no problem having english and set locales to sweden
[21:45] <acicula> ohsix: if you install ubuntu it will ask you if you want an ecrypted home, it uses ecryptfs to set that up and encrypts your entire home. ecrypfs-setup without the home flag defaults to the Private directory
[21:45] <cordoval_> it has no response, just manual restore console
[21:45] <corecode> soreau: thanks!
[21:45] <cordoval_> what do I do¡? I already backed up my data
[21:45] <coco> what channel should i go to to ask about setting up my own irc server
[21:45] <vanguard> Is Natty's Gnome in any way inferior to Maverick's Gnome?
[21:46] <Lazer-B> okay guys should i update to 11.04 natty narwhal?
[21:46] <corecode> now if i only found how i can switch viewports while dragging windows...
[21:46] <BlouBlou> coco: #freenode
[21:46] <corecode> Lazer-B: sure
[21:46] <nastjuid> jdahm: oh, I see in the log. if you still have trouble with the card, let us know
[21:46] <ohsix> acicula: ok, it did not ask me that for 10.10 or 11.04, and that is something the installer would do, not a "default"
[21:46] <coco> thanks
[21:46] <BlouBlou> Lazer-B: should? If you're not using LTS versions, yes
[21:46] <ohsix> acicula: you can pick btrfs in the installer as well, but that's not a "default"
[21:46] <Lazer-B> i heard there was some thing where it messes everything up. is this only for elementary?
[21:46] <darkz> i feel like smacking a fist trugh my monitor... :(
[21:46] <guntbert> bashelina: but in my latest natty VM I had german locale and english language without any problem
[21:46] <Confusionist> Does anyone know what to do about Python 2.7 failing to install with: E: pycompile:240: Requested versions are not installed?
[21:46] <LjL> bashelina: an idea, why don't you try simply removing the packages for the scandinavian language ubuntu wants to use?
[21:47] <acicula> ohsix: http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Screenshot8.png
[21:47] <LjL> bashelina: there is probably a better way, mind.
[21:47] <arangaran> hello guys, anyone could give me a hand with a problem with 11.04 live cd?
[21:47] <acicula> see toggle for encrypt my home directory
[21:47] <BlouBlou> arangaran: sure, ask it
[21:47] <ohsix> acicula: i hope you have your machine under lock and key
[21:47] <acicula> been there since 9.10
[21:47] <bashelina> LjL, how can I remove something ? im installing from a cd
[21:47] <cordoval_> where do I download natty img
[21:47] <cordoval_> url please
[21:47] <LjL> bashelina: oh well install first, then worry about that later
[21:47] <guntbert> profundo: I guess the servers are under heavy load right now, how about you wait a few days?
[21:48] <ohsix> acicula: i'll take your word for it
[21:48] <vanguard> bashelina: open ubuntu software center -> installed apps -> remove
[21:48] <profundo> oh right, thank you
[21:48] <LjL> bashelina: if you haven't installed yet, then i think you'll find that after installation is done, you will have no big trouble setting a language different from your locale
[21:48] <vanguard> does Natty work with the proprietary ATI driver?
[21:48] <escott> acicula, talk to arand or myself before going btrfs on /
[21:48] <arangaran> ok, well i downloaded 11.04 and tested it in my dell inspiron studio 1558 and all good and great but when i use the keyring thing, to secure a password for the system the whole laptop crashes giving me a kernel panic and a stack dump with registers and stuff and given that it's a live cd there's no way to get a log
[21:48] <Confusionist> Right, this has a solution for python 2.7, but it does involve editing some 'random' file: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1649948.html
[21:48] <cordoval_> natty on asus g73 please help
[21:48] <bashelina> LjL, ok ill try
[21:48] <acicula> escott: i wasnt planning on switching
[21:48] <nutsfornatty> vanguard: yes, though the offical ati drivers have been released by amd
[21:49] <Q-collective> arand: thanks, that worked
[21:49] <ohsix> acicula: it's important to segregate information that actually needs to be secure/encrypted, you are no better off encrypting everything without segregating things
[21:49] <Joseph_> cordoval: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[21:49] <k_89> hi..... i have a toshiba sattelite and i had to change the grub to make ubuntu work, will i have to do that again after upgrade... in need to do this acpi=copy_dsdt to install ubuntu
[21:49] <bashelina> LjL, but then i cant choose the swedish keyboard mapping ... ???
[21:49] <vanguard> nutsfornatty: okay, so it will work as good as it worked with Maverick. Good to know
[21:49] <nutsfornatty> vandguard: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
[21:49] <adwonw> Doesn't anybody know why Unity won't load on my new ubuntu 11.04 installation?!
[21:49] <ryankask> ohsix: sorry to both you ... where can i find a bug report for the i910 driver?
[21:49] <ryankask> bother*
[21:49] <ohsix> acicula: of course it's a cool thing to do; and people hear encryption and think its awesomr
[21:49] <ohsix> ryankask: i915?
[21:49] <LjL> bashelina: well again i don't know, haven't used Natty... certainly the old installer inquired about the keyboard layout separately
[21:49] <Kyle__> Wow.  I'm going to stick with unity for a few days to see if it grows on me, but first impressions are god-awful.
[21:50] <jiohdi> adwonw: typing unity in terminal gave no results?
[21:50] <cordoval_> escott: so I burn the livecd and just wipe things out? should I burn then natty or mint?
[21:50] <Q-collective> my temperature applet on the gnome bar now show two "XX" instead of a temperature. What could be wrong?
[21:50] <[dlp]> I've got i915 problems.
[21:50] <vanguard> is there anything one might consider before running Maverick->Natty?
[21:50] <arangaran> BlouBlou any ideas?
[21:50] <iceroot> vanguard: never touch a running system
[21:50] <nutsfornatty> kyle_: learn the keyboard shortcuts .. it helps alot. i hated it too. love unity now.
[21:50] <LjL> vanguard: that the mirrors are probably slow right now, for one thing
[21:50] <arand> vanguard: backup?
[21:50] <ryankask> ohsix: i910
[21:50] <Kyle__> vanguard: That it defaults to unity.
[21:50] <ohsix> ryanakca: upstream is on freedesktop, but you want to report it on launchpad so someone can port a fix to a release
[21:50] <W43372> I'm trying to install Fedora on a flash drive in Ubuntu but the startup disk creator won't let me. how do?
[21:50] <vanguard> iceroot: yeah, that is what I am thinking about …
[21:50] <ryankask> ohsix: maybe i915
[21:50] <vanguard> LjL: okay, I should have figured
[21:50] <Kyle__> nutsfornatty: maybe that'll help.  I hate that it steals the menu bar and puts it up top ala OSX
[21:50] <escott> cordoval_, sure? whatever version you want to install the halevt was on 10.10?
[21:50] <adwonw> jiohdi: it produced some sort of error.
[21:50] <ohsix> vanguard: my big trouble was migrating my compiz settings
[21:51] <kire> hm, it seems the behaviour of the compiz window picker (scale module) changed, I can't close windows with middle mouse button anymore?
[21:51] <nutsfornatty> switch to classic ubuntu instructions: go to login screen -> look at bottom panel -> change "ubuntu" to "ubuntu classic" -> login -> done
[21:51] <stefg> vanguard: backups are never a bad idea
[21:51] <BlouBlou> arangaran: well, without logs and exactly error I can't see what's the problem
[21:51] <RichardJ> why has installing gnome3 (on 11.04) given me a horrible theme?
[21:51] <adwonw> estamp (4045470).  This most likely represents a buggy client sending inaccurate timestamps in messages such as _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW.  Trying to work around...
[21:51] <d3vlin> is it possible to change the apt mirror that is being used by the natty installer?
[21:51] <adwonw> Window manager warning: 0x1800003 (Bottom Exp) appears to be one of the offending windows with a timestamp of 167746096.  Working around...
[21:51] <cordoval_> halevt was in natty
[21:51] <hypetech> !gnome3 | RichardJ
[21:51]  * Kyle__ nods
[21:51] <vanguard> Kyle__: but isn't the "Gnome Classic" just the reguar Gnome I had in Maverick?
[21:51] <jiohdi> adwonw: you may need to uninstall and then reinstall unity then
[21:51] <nutsfornatty> i use deja dup for all my backups. its in the software center
[21:51] <BlouBlou> arangaran: try using another kernel, do you have any older one?
[21:51] <vanguard> stefg: I do them often, regulary and manifold :)
[21:51] <ohsix> kire: the action binds were pared down, just rebind the button in ccsm
[21:51] <[dlp]> ohsix: A lost laptop could easily be an identity fraud bonanza without encrypted filesystems.
[21:51] <acicula> ohsix: all i wanted to know was how to enable ecryptfs so ubuntu can mount it on login really
[21:51] <arangaran> BlouBlou: it's the LiveCD i havent even installed it yet
[21:51] <cordoval_> rats! halevt or whatever it was, itgave problems when upgrading from 10.10 to naty escott
[21:51] <ryankask> [dlp]: what i915 problems do you have>
[21:51] <RichardJ> hypetech: I know, but it's just weird that the theme for gnome-wm has been replaced
[21:51] <Kyle__> vanguard: Yes, I'm just avoiding it for a few days to see if unity will grow on me ;)
[21:51] <cordoval_> www.ubuntu.com?
[21:51] <W43372> I'm trying to install Fedora on a flash drive in Ubuntu but the startup disk creator won't let me. how do?
[21:51] <Kyle__> vanguard: But it seems solid so far (mind you I've been using it for all of 20 minutes now).
[21:52] <vanguard> Kyle__: Unity is too much OSX-Clone for me :)
[21:52] <BlouBlou> arangaran: what about 'alternate CD'?
[21:52] <jiohdi> Kyle__: like a fungus it will
[21:52] <nutsfornatty> keepassX is good for encypted password storage
[21:52] <ohsix> [dlp]: encryption doesn't solve you losing physical security of your encrypted information
[21:52] <skulltip> err.. mac is too much linux clone
[21:52] <vanguard> ohsix: that is what backups are for
[21:52] <Q-collective> my temperature applet on the gnome bar now show two "XX" instead of a temperature. What could be wrong?
[21:52] <jdahm> escott: so I used raid to install and I'm all done.  I installed mdadm in the chroot.  Do I need to copy over the mdadm.conf file?
[21:52] <ohsix> nutsfornatty: gnome comes with a keyring too
[21:52] <W43372> I'm trying to install Fedora on a flash drive in Ubuntu but the startup disk creator won't let me. how do?
[21:53] <BlouBlou> arangaran: Did you try it?
[21:53] <ohsix> vanguard: nay, if it was just that, it wouldn't need to be said
[21:53] <cordoval_> rats! get me the natty url, is the latest or the LTS?
[21:53] <Adwait_Neo> MSG FloodBot3 hello
[21:53] <adwonw> Fuck this shit. I've grown tired of this mess in Ubuntu. Sometimes random shit just breaks and I need to spend hours trying to figure out how to fix it. On more jolly occasions, such as this one, a new installation will have something broken de facto. FUCK YOU UBUNTU, I'm switching back to Windows, where I can actually get some work done.
[21:53] <vanguard> skulltip: hmm, I think Ubuntu had the maximize button on the right when OS X already had them on the left. I ever hated Ubuntu/Gnome for butting them on the left
[21:53] <BlouBlou> Adwait_Neo: maybe #ubuntu-bots ?
[21:53] <maco> !language | adwonw
[21:53] <arangaran> BlouBlou: i havent tried that, i wanted to test this new version before deciding to install it, the alternate cd kind of defeats the idea of testing before installing i just wonder if the huge crash got something to do with my machine in specific or ubuntu? or if in the worse case scenario something is damaged in my laptop although all works fine under w7 sp1 64
[21:53] <nutsfornatty> ohsix: so very true. but i need to use my passwords on osx and win machines too. so im forced to keepassX :-(
[21:53] <cordoval_> escott: LTS or latest?
[21:53] <guntbert> W43372: this will only work if the CD image has a special structure
[21:53] <Macer> in order to upgrade to 11.04 server do i just change the name from maverick to natty ?
[21:53] <ohsix> vanguard: in fact i'm quite insulted, but compiz changed versions and .9 doesn't read the old settings, and the thing that migrates some of the settings miss a _lot_ of them
[21:53] <vanguard> adwonw: sure, Windows works if you know how to work with it. Linux is only free, if your time has no value :)
[21:53] <Macer> for apt?
[21:53] <escott> jdahm, you will need to have a valid mdadm.conf on the system, you could copy it or rebuild it post install, copying may be easier
[21:53] <guntbert> Macer: no
[21:54] <nutsfornatty> lol @ switching back to windows to avoid problems. have fun installing two dozen drivers and redoing it at the first virus
[21:54] <ohsix> nutsfornatty: yar i use keepass on my phone
[21:54] <W43372> guntbert ?
[21:54] <Macer> guntbert: do you have a link that explains the instructions?
[21:54] <LjL> please keep it ontopic, the person has left anyway
[21:54] <guntbert> !upgrade | Macer
[21:54] <jiltdil> i have write "unity" under termianl and hit enter it suddenly vanishes my max,miz button also the left pannel completely?why it is happening?
[21:54] <Macer> thanks
[21:54] <mictlantecuhtle> Is anyone else having problems with maximized windows being blank?
[21:54] <[dlp]> ohsix: No, but it does make that information much more difficult to read.
[21:54] <vanguard> ohsix: I was so happy to get whiggly windows after 5 years … maybe I should not touch it then? :-/
[21:54] <[dlp]> ohsix: Even if you don't encrypt swap.
[21:54] <ohsix> mictlantecuhtle: is it all windows or just firefox, and are you using an nvidia card?
[21:54] <escott> cordoval_, its up to you what version you want to run
[21:55] <BlouBlou> arangaran: well, I don't know then, I just can tell you than Unity doesn't work for me, and I'm using classic-desktop, so there is not big difference between 10.10 and 11.04 on my PC. Anyways, you may want to try Kubuntu, I think it uses the same kernel, but I'm not 100% sure
[21:55] <cordoval_> of course the latest!
[21:55] <cordoval_> rats!
[21:55] <coco> how is 11.04
[21:55] <jibadeeha> mictlantecuhtle, i use to get that with banshee
[21:55] <guntbert> W43372: it usually only works with ubuntu (maybe debian) CD images, there must be a certain directory structure
[21:55] <cordoval_> what kind of question is that, leaving it up to me? I just want the latest
[21:55] <escott> cordoval_, the halevt happened when you tried a fresh install of 10.10 during install, or post install during upgrade to natty?
[21:55] <BlouBlou> coco: #ubuntu-offtopic to talk about it :-)
[21:55] <coco> thanks
[21:55] <mictlantecuhtle> ohsix: all windows, they don't even have to be maximized, just stretched beyond a certain size, and yes I'm using an nvidia card
[21:55] <nutsfornatty> coco: feelings are very mixed. but i think with time most people will enjoy the changes (aka unity)
[21:55] <ohsix> vanguard: it's not a blocker, but if you care that something was adjusted by .02 to suit your prefences, look forward to manually migrating your settings
[21:55] <W43372> guntbert it's the .iso i got from the fedora website. I want it on my flash drive so I can install it on this machine that dont have no cd drive
[21:55] <cordoval_> escott: post install during upgrade to natty
[21:55] <Kyle__> Does the time&date applet use the ntpserver listed in /etc/default/ntpdate?
[21:56] <cordoval_> rats!
[21:56] <d3vlin> is it possible to change the apt mirror that is being used by the natty installer?
[21:56] <jdahm> escott: looks like it already created one for me
[21:56] <ohsix> mictlantecuhtle: is it a geforce mx or some similar older card?
[21:56] <mictlantecuhtle> ohsix: I linked to the release notes earlier, but it appears to point to the wrong bug (unless I've missed something)
[21:56] <cordoval_> escott: so I will burn the livecd and don't have those problems i hope
[21:56] <escott> cordoval_, i would wait a few days until things settle down and try again
[21:56] <vanguard> ohsix: the exact values are not that difficult, I'd just retweak them.
[21:56] <cordoval_> escott: what to burn the livecd?
[21:56] <OchoZero9> is there anyway to speed up the download to upgrade from alpha to final?
[21:56] <escott> cordoval_, unless you enjoy installing
[21:56] <cordoval_> I will burn the 64 bit right now, can't wait then I assume it will upgrade
[21:57] <Macer> guntbert: thank you so much.
[21:57] <guntbert> W43372: yes, and fedora CDs might have a different structure of directories, so creating a usb-drive with startup-creator won#t work
[21:57] <vanguard> cordoval_: k3b or brasero should do the trick
[21:57] <jdahm> escott: ok rebooting.  Wish me luck!
[21:57] <cordoval_> rats! I need to get work going
[21:57] <cordoval_> rats! and cats!
[21:57] <guntbert> Macer: you're welcome :-)
[21:57] <W43372> guntbert then how do
[21:57] <ohsix> [dlp]: assume a well equipped adversary, you say "more difficult", how much more" part of even bothering is quantifying the risk; use of such language probably betrays that you don't care or don't take it very seriously
[21:57] <nastjuid> OchoZero9: find a closer/faster mirror
[21:57] <W43372> guntbert then how do i do it
[21:57] <OchoZero9> I don't know how to do that
[21:57] <jiohdi> OchoZero9: if you have been regularly updating and upgrading till now you have just about the whole new set up
[21:57] <guntbert> W43372: well, try with unetbootin
[21:57] <arangaran> sigh i guess i'll need to wait another 6 months till they release 11.11 sad past ubuntu's were way better
[21:58] <arangaran> anyways thanks to all for the help
[21:58] <OchoZero9> I haven't used it in over a month
[21:58] <ohsix> vanguard: ok, your old settings are preserved in gconf; so if you do need to, you can, you may not have to; i just had quite a bit of daily tweaks in mine
[21:58] <Kyle__> OK, if one is to use unity, how do you go about adding and removing programs from that silly bar?
[21:58] <mictlantecuhtle> ohsix: yes, it's an older nvidia card, GeForce 6200 LE
[21:58] <jiohdi> OchoZero9: then wait a couple of days and do an update/upgrade and you will have it
[21:58] <jiltdil> how to use nity?
[21:58] <RAMPKORV> Hello people. I just ran the upgrade to 11.04 from 10.10. First thing I'm noticing is that X just froze. I'm not sure how to resolve it. Is this a common issue?
[21:58] <Gosha> How do I move the bar?
[21:58] <escott> Kyle__, start the program then right click on it and pin it
[21:58] <jiltdil> how to use unity?
[21:58] <Macer> looks like those ubuntu servers are getting a little beat up right now
[21:59] <d3vlin> I tried changing sources.list in tty1 after booting the ISO, then firing the install, but no luck. still the default repository mirror
[21:59] <RAMPKORV> I'm chatting from console now with irssi
[21:59] <vanguard> ohsix: I'll upgrade my sidekick computer to give it a test
[21:59] <vanguard> Gosha: the unity sidebar? you can't
[21:59] <OchoZero9> how do i chose a faster closer mirror?
[21:59] <Gosha> What!
[21:59] <Kyle__> escott: OK. Not very elegant, but I'll do it for now :)
[21:59] <Kyle__> escott: Thanks.
[21:59] <vanguard> Macer: I pray that my ISP has a mirror :)
[21:59] <jiltdil> RAMPKORv:how to chat via termianl?
[21:59] <ohsix> mictlantecuhtle: OK; there are texture size limits on some older cards, it might not work well & the only solution that might be offered is blacklisting it due to the limitation, do you know if you are using the proprietary driver?
[21:59] <Macer> vanguard: i'm getting 40K/s ;)
[21:59] <BlouBlou> jiltdil: go to GDM (login-menu) and select ubuntu-session, normal-session or unity-session
[21:59] <Gosha> How am I suppsed to use it with synergy and such then?
[21:59] <guntbert> OchoZero9: how about you wait a day or two?
[21:59] <vanguard> Macer: I'll race ya :D
[21:59] <RAMPKORV> jiltdil: I mean, I run irssi as my IRC client, as X doesn't seem to work
[22:00] <cordoval_> if you would excuse me I need my BW
[22:00] <jiltdil> ok
[22:00] <ohsix> Macer: pick a mirror in software properties; it will measure the speed of all of them :]
[22:00] <cordoval_> bye bye
[22:00] <OchoZero9> Is ther a way to parallel download? some files from one mirror, some from another?
[22:00] <LjL> !metalink | OchoZero9
[22:00] <m4rtin> OchoZero9: go to synaptic -> settings -> repositories. Select "Other" from the dropdown, then press "select best source"
[22:00] <RAMPKORV> I have only ran the upgrade to 11.04 and now X doesn't work
[22:00] <maco> OchoZero9: torrent?
[22:00] <jiltdil> BlouBlou:thanks
[22:00] <ohsix> OchoZero9: not really, at least not with http
[22:00] <Macer> 24.3kB/s
[22:00] <jiltdil> RAMPKORv:ok thanks
[22:00] <ohsix> m4rtin: thanks
[22:00] <Macer> awesome... feel like i'm on v.90
[22:01] <LjL> OchoZero9: oh wait you want to upgrade... then forget metalink
[22:01] <ohsix> Macer: do something about it
[22:01] <RAMPKORV> If nobody has any idea - how do I kill X so I can reinstall my NVIDIA driver - because it's still running, just not working
[22:01] <Macer> ohsix: heh. it's ok. i'm in no big rush. ;) i have to wait for a lot of stuff to finish anyways
[22:01] <d3vlin> It's kind of weird, the nl.archive.ubuntu.com allows about 100 kB/s, while nl3.arhive.ubuntu.com allows 6 MB/s, but stupid installer doesn't allow to change the mirror
[22:01] <Sexygurl2furl> how do i update ubuntu via update manager?
[22:01] <Galvatron> RAMPKORV: sudo servide gdm (or kdm) stop
[22:01] <RAMPKORV> Thanks
[22:01] <Sexygurl2furl> i want the new 11.04 software
[22:02] <stefg> RAMPKORV: sudo service stop gdm3
[22:02] <sburjan`> is there any way I can use Unity in 2D if I don't have proper hardware acceleration ?
[22:02] <acicula> it seems that setup-encryptfs-private with the home flag or ecrypfs-home-migrate will setup the encrypted home directory
[22:02] <Galvatron> RAMPKORV: *"service" of course
[22:02] <Macer> ohsix: software properties? in apt?
[22:02] <ohsix> d3vlin: don't anthropomorphise software ;] it has no intelligence
[22:02] <bashelina> RAMPKORV,  > sudo pkill X
[22:02] <d3vlin> ohsix: :)
[22:02] <jiltdil> how to configure effects related to unity?
[22:02] <ohsix> Macer: scroll up and see what m4rtin said
[22:02] <maco> jiltdil: ccsm
[22:02] <tashkas> does anybody here has good how to impgproxy to set up?
[22:03] <jiltdil> maco:ccsm?
[22:03] <Macer> ohsix: i'm using ubuntu server
[22:03] <stefg> !upgrade
[22:03] <maco> jiltdil: the compiz config settings manager. unity is a compiz plugin and so is in there
[22:03] <mictlantecuhtle> ohsix: I believe I'm using the proprietary driver. When I installed Maverick it gave me the option to install those drivers, I think. Everything was working fine until I upgraded to Natty.
[22:03] <jdahm> escott: ok I get a grub error 16
[22:03] <jdahm> grrr
[22:03] <maco> jiltdil: should be able to alt+f2 "ccsm"
[22:03] <Sexygurl2furl> can somebody help me?
[22:03] <W43372> guntbert I downloaded netbootin from their site it's not running
[22:03] <Sexygurl2furl>  iwant the new version of ubuntu
[22:03] <geekyogi> I want to move back to 10.10
[22:04] <ohsix> Macer: ah theres a text based thing that does the same but i think it's been removed; you can manually change your sources.list to a closer mirror though
[22:04] <maco> Sexygurl2furl: download links are on ubuntu.com
[22:04] <d3vlin> I remember the debian installer had that feature ages ago, to select mirror during the install process
[22:04] <Sexygurl2furl> maco
[22:04] <maco> geekyogi: download links for old releases are on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[22:04] <acicula> geekyogi: you can not downgrade unfortunately, only reinstall
[22:04] <Sexygurl2furl> i want to do it via update manager
[22:04] <maco> Sexygurl2furl: or use update manager as normal
[22:04] <Macer> ohsix: i honestly think on release day i would be hard pressed to find one that wasn't slow
[22:04] <geekyogi> aah
[22:04] <geekyogi> shit
[22:04] <escott> jdahm, grub should be configured to point at sda1 not md1, and should boot degraded then once the kernel is up and md modules loaded it should bring up sdb1
[22:04] <maco> geekyogi: watch the language
[22:04] <Sexygurl2furl> but it wont appear in update manager?
[22:04] <geekyogi> sorry
[22:04] <maco> geekyogi: if all it is is that you dont like unity, you can use classic ubuntu
[22:04] <maco> geekyogi: there's an option on the login screen
[22:04] <geekyogi> ooh k
[22:04] <W43372> guntbert I downloaded netbootin from their site it's not running
[22:04] <Sexygurl2furl> also why do you want to move back geert__ KYOGI?
[22:04] <Macer> but thank you for the help. i will just wait it out.. i don't want to use the one broken mirror.
[22:04] <maco> Sexygurl2furl: if you're on 10.10 it should. if its not showing, click hte check for new updates button
[22:04] <escott> jdahm, you were doing raid1 right?
[22:04] <ohsix> mictlantecuhtle: you might need to reinstall the proprietary driver; it's likely using nouveau, if it is you should probably report a bug about it, b ut the proprietary driver might suffice for  now
[22:05] <jdahm> escott: it points to /dev/sda on which /dev/sda1 (/boot) is, which is not part of the raid array
[22:05] <Sexygurl2furl> I DID MACO
[22:05] <jdahm> escott: I have boot on a separate partition
[22:05] <Sexygurl2furl> sorry
[22:05] <leagris> thanks for your help launching ccsm. Reverted to Ubuntu classic
[22:05] <htek> so what does ubuntu mean in nigger again I forgot ?
[22:05] <ohsix> Macer: i just updated and the mirror i use wasn't any slower than normal
[22:05] <escott> jdahm, thats the way i've always done it. should be fine
[22:05] <Sexygurl2furl> I did, and all I have our three updates.
[22:05] <geekyogi> also I find too much of processes in idle state
[22:05] <Sexygurl2furl> But none are the new version.
[22:05] <maco> Sexygurl2furl: it doesnt show "hey there's a new release" at the top, above where it lists the normal updates?
[22:05] <geekyogi> lots of CPU utilization
[22:05] <pumeust> why does Processes in System Monitor always show everything as 'sleeping'?
[22:05] <jdahm> escott: ok so I'm mounting stuff here again and I'm going to look around
[22:06] <jdahm> escott: hopefully with your help I can find whats wrong
[22:06] <ayecee> pumeust: because processes don't often have a lot to do.
[22:06] <Galvatron> geekyogi: Or you can alway reinstall 10.10. There's no need to hurry to 11.04, unless it has a solution for some citical issues you have.
[22:06] <Guest72146> hello
[22:06] <henway> nm
[22:06] <Sexygurl2furl> nope maco
[22:06] <ohsix> pumeust: because software often has nothing to do! or is waiting for something it needs
[22:06] <jiohdi> pumeust: its like those things that sit in a windows taskbar... stay resident but are not active at the moment
[22:06] <talntid> Sexygurl2furl, do the 3 new updates. After that, it should show the new distro.
[22:06] <|Seth|> how does one change settings in unity
[22:06] <mictlantecuhtle> ohsix: ok, I will try that. I'll stop bothering you for the moment, but I just want to say I appreciate your taking the time to help me out
[22:06] <|Seth|> the title bar text is black, and the panel is also black
[22:06] <vanguard> maco: 347 kB/s ;-)
[22:06] <andeeeuk> has anyone had problems updating to 11.04 with the repo?
[22:06] <maco> |Seth|: compiz config settings manager, aka "ccsm"
[22:06] <stefg> pumeust: because you won't notice the nano-second the process is doing its work, and then put again to sleep by the scheduler :-)
[22:07] <vanguard> Macer: 347 kB/s
[22:07] <|Seth|> marco oh okay
[22:07] <doncams> hello there
[22:07] <ohsix> mictlantecuhtle: please report a bug if you've found one with the nouveau driver :]
[22:07] <andeeeuk> kees saying i have no internet connection
[22:07] <maco> andeeeuk: like slowness? thatd be due to everyone trying at once
[22:07] <doncams> wtf I can't find anything with the unity ui
[22:07] <Guest72146> doncams:  how r u/
[22:07] <doncams> but nice job
[22:07] <maco> andeeeuk: could try another mirror if youre having trouble reaching your usual one
[22:07] <pumeust> ayecee,  but on my windows taskbar it always show a whole bunch of stuff active
[22:07] <doncams> fine I guess
[22:07] <ohsix> doncams: it's a plugin for compiz
[22:07] <Sexygurl2furl> thanks talntid
[22:07] <andeeeuk> maco yeah, i just wanted to update from the repo
[22:07] <POOPHAMMER> is there a way to force ubuntu to load its GUI?
[22:08] <jdahm> escott: I'm using raid5 for both / and /home (different arrays)
[22:08] <POOPHAMMER> it always just traps me in a terminal
[22:08] <andeeeuk> maco: how can you change the repo?
[22:08] <Guest72146> So I was wondering can any1 help me with gwibber?
[22:08] <ayecee> pumeust: like what?
[22:08] <maco> andeeeuk: there are a lot of repo mirrors. in the software sources thing, you can ask it to search for the fastest one, then use that
[22:08] <andeeeuk> im downloading the iso now
[22:08] <coz_> POOPHAMMER,  you have no desktop environment?
[22:08] <doncams> so it installed firefox 4. I don't see the firefox menu button. how do I make it appear?
[22:08] <POOPHAMMER> i used to
[22:08] <POOPHAMMER> until it stopped loading
[22:08] <escott> jdahm, that should be fine as long as the md stuff is in the initrd
[22:08] <ohsix> POOPHAMMER: if it's not starting on its own what are you going to force it to do?
[22:08] <andeeeuk> maco: thanks
[22:08] <POOPHAMMER> i have no idea
[22:08] <coz_> POOPHAMMER,   ok,,, do you have a cursor and wallpaper?
[22:08] <andeeeuk> maco i will take a look
[22:08] <W43372> guntbert I downloaded netbootin from their site it's not running
[22:08] <POOPHAMMER> no im in a terminal using IRSSI
[22:08] <jdahm> escott: yeah I'm confused to.. It's all mounted now.  Where is the first place to look?
[22:09] <POOPHAMMER> it just says welcome to ubuntu 10.10 tty sp,ething like that
[22:09] <coz_> POOPHAMMER, ok in  the text console there  ,, you have already logged in ..yes?
[22:09] <pumeust> ayecee a whole bunch of .exe things and other things i cant recall. usually it shows at least 30 - 40 things active
[22:09] <POOPHAMMER> i used to have the ubuntu desktop enviroment
[22:09] <[dlp]> ohsix: Do you actually want me to calculate the statistics?
[22:09] <POOPHAMMER> then one day it just stopped working
[22:09] <bashelina> whats a resonable size for / partition, if you have /home set to the reminder of the disk ???
[22:09] <henway> startx
[22:09] <coz_> POOPHAMMER,   ok  in that text console    type   sudo restart gdm
[22:09] <escott> jdahm, ever taken apart an initrd before?
[22:09] <[dlp]> ryanakca: It doesn't look like I'm getting any acceleration.
[22:10] <ayecee> pumeust: huh. well, most processes spend most of their time sleeping. I think you may have just misinterpreted what windows presented.
[22:10] <ohsix> [dlp]: you're the one thats quantified your risk ... it's part of the job, yes
[22:10] <[dlp]> ryanakca: I think X is using the wrong driver.
[22:10] <jdahm> escott: no, maybe I need to rebuild one...
[22:10] <Fixo> on ubuntu 11.04 running on live CD we don't have Unity desktop ??? only GNOME ?
[22:10] <kyo22> guys, I'm upgrading my ubuntu to 11.04 and it's asking the keyboard model
[22:10] <kyo22> how do I discover that?
[22:10] <acicula> kyo22: it means the keyboard layout
[22:10] <jdahm> escott: I come from archlinux, but I haven't ever dealt with initrds,  tried to always build my own kernels without them
[22:10] <maco> kyo22: it just wants to know if youre using a US-style keyboard, german, british, etc.
[22:10] <ohsix> [dlp]: what is your plan for rubber hose token disclosure?
[22:10] <escott> jdahm, if you want you could do that. copy the initrd off and gunzip it. then mount it loopback as ext2
[22:10] <acicula> kyo22: try the default
[22:11] <kyo22> it wants to know if it is dell, mac, vaio, etc
[22:11] <acicula> ohsix: rubber hose key discovery is a purely ubuntu-offtopic thing
[22:11] <kyo22> crazy stuff
[22:11] <stefg> Fixo: unity requires working 3d acceleration
[22:11] <ohsix> you can "lose" a laptop and lose a laptop as well
[22:11] <pumeust> ayecee, but i'm using xchat right now so why does processes say xchat is sleeping too?
[22:11] <acicula> kyo22: when in doubt use the default one
[22:11] <Gosha> Why is unity so poorly configurable?
[22:11] <POOPHAMMER> neither of those commands did anythin
[22:11] <POOPHAMMER> g
[22:11] <Fixo> thanks
[22:11] <escott> jdahm, you will see a base prelim filesystem in it. it needs your mdadm.conf and the mdadm kernel modules
[22:11] <ohsix> acicula: the whole discussion is, i just said it was bad advice
[22:11] <W43372> How does anybody get any help in this IRC? I haven't gotten an actual answer to any of my problems since Karmic was released
[22:11] <jdahm> escott: it should have at least shown the grub screen and the boot options if it sensed /dev/sda1 the boot partiiton
[22:11] <ayecee> pumeust: because it spends most of its time waiting for your input, or waiting for traffic from the network.
[22:11] <nerdshell> can I downgrade to 10.10 without loosing my data?
[22:11] <POOPHAMMER> ill bbl im just going to load windows
[22:11] <jdahm> escott: I think ti's something more fundamental than that
[22:11] <LjL> W43372: well, it certainly doesn't help that it's release day.
[22:11] <Guest72146> :s
[22:12] <maco> Gosha: because options confuse users, according to the koolaid gnome & canonical both drank
[22:12] <hypetech> nerdshell: I don't think you can downgrade
[22:12] <escott> jdahm, you think grub-install didn't work?
[22:12] <th0r> W43372: whining helps alot
[22:12] <ohsix> Gosha: because it hardly does anything? as a compiz plugin you can adjust its settings inccsm
[22:12] <LjL> nerdshell: downgrading is not supported, no
[22:12] <bashelina> W43372,  whats the question ?
[22:12] <jdahm> escott: well it HAS grub, and /dev/sda1 is definitely bootable...
[22:12] <jdahm> escott: I'm still thinkin what it could be
[22:12] <ohsix> neryour data is in /home, possibly /etc; if you don't do anything to delete or modify those places you won't lose it
[22:12] <escott> jdahm, try rerunning grub-install from a chroot environment
[22:13] <pumeust> ayecee, well when i'm on windows and i'm using mirc it always shows mirc.exe as active
[22:13] <Gosha> Well, one basic option should be switching where the sidebar is.
[22:13] <escott> jdahm, you will need to bind mount /dev to your chroot
[22:13] <ayecee> pumeust: I think you may be misinterpreting what windows is showing you.
[22:13] <jdahm> escott: yeah, and sys and proc and so forth
[22:13] <Sexygurl2furl> hey guys
[22:13] <W43372> bashelina, I'm trying to put fedora on a flash drive, but couldn't on the startup disk creator, someone told me to use netbootin. I downloaded it from the website but it won't run
[22:13] <jdahm> escott: I'm used to doing this ;)
[22:13] <[dlp]> ohsix: Rubber what?
[22:13] <Sexygurl2furl> should i iupgrade to 10.10
[22:13] <Sexygurl2furl> ??
[22:13] <lucas> hi! Installed natty beta2 a week ago. Now that the official release is out, do I have to reinstall again?
[22:13] <ohsix> pumeust: linux is not comparable to windows; and yea what ayecee said
[22:13] <LjL> !info unetbootin | W43372 why download it from the website when it's in the repos?
[22:13] <kdubois> lucas: do an apt-get upgrade, should be all up to par
[22:13] <escott> jdahm, had the feeling you had done this before
[22:13] <Sexygurl2furl> guys should i upgrade to 10.10
[22:13] <Sexygurl2furl> ????
[22:14] <stefg> pumeust: which is plain wrong.... most o fthe time the appplication is idling (sleeping) waiting for input
[22:14] <bashelina> W43372,  whats the filesystem on the flash drive ?
[22:14] <RAMPKORV> MEh. The NVIDIA driver doesn't even install on Ubuntu 11. Nothing seems to work except console
[22:14] <tripelb> Trying to understand "df -h" compared to what I see in "computer" in nautilus. I have 3 drives, 1T main drive booted up on-SATA also with 31G Windows partition., 2 IDE drives 10G 20G. GUI shows this. Can only see the subparts of 1T filesystem in df --- thanks
[22:14] <RAMPKORV> I will probably end up rreformatting and install 10.10
[22:14] <|Slacker|> lucas i believe you can do it through update-manager -d
[22:14] <acicula> ohsix: bad advice to do what?
[22:14] <lucas> kdubois: no dist-upgrade necessary?
[22:14] <tripelb> RAMPKORV, they told me not to install 10.10 last night, to stick with 10.04
[22:14] <W43372> bashelina not sure
[22:14] <[dlp]> oic
[22:14] <pumeust> ayecee, ok i guess i am, but if i remember correct, on the windows side, its also called 'processes' so thats confusing
[22:14] <ohsix> RAMPKORV: how did you install it? it should be using nouveau on 11.04
[22:14] <__mikem> is anyone else having trouble running 11.04 in virtual box?
[22:15] <kdubois> lucas: you already did the dist-upgrade, if you do a regular apt-get upgrade, you'll just sync up the packages that were finalized between when you installed the alpha, and now, the official release
[22:15] <[dlp]> ohsix: Well if they've got my laptop they probably don't know who I am.
[22:15] <ohsix> RAMPKORV: delete your xorg.conf and restart
[22:15] <hypetech> tripelb: unless you specifically need something in 10.10, it can't hurt to stick with the LTS version
[22:15] <RAMPKORV> tripelb: yea, I had big trouble with the upgrade to 10.10 too. No X and no audio
[22:15] <ayecee> pumeust: take another look at it when you get a chance, it may make more sense now.
[22:15] <RAMPKORV> ohsix: where is it located
[22:15] <[dlp]> ohsix: Until they've broken the cryptography.
[22:15] <W43372> bashelina its the same flashdrive  i used to put ubuntu on thisnetbok
[22:15] <pumeust> ayecee ok i will
[22:15] <ohsix> [dlp]: but what if they do; you after all have very important data that a known adversary desires access to
[22:15] <bashelina> W43372,   make sure that: stored in reserved extra space is set to something. like 128 or something
[22:15] <Sexygurl2furl> hey guys is Ubuntu 11 good or not?
[22:15] <donpdonp> ive been happy with 10.04 for 18 months and i cant wait to move to 11.04
[22:15] <matto1990> just a quick on. In the screenshot on the ubuntu homepage the dash is resized to quarter of the screen. On my new install it takes up the whole thing and no option to resize. Am I running a strange version of unity?
[22:15] <LjL> Sexygurl2furl: that's subjective.
[22:15] <hypetech> Sexygurl2furl: I like it
[22:15] <donpdonp> s/18/12.
[22:15] <ohsix> RAMPKORV: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:15] <RAMPKORV> ohsix: thanks
[22:16] <maco> matto1990: dont have any windows open over it?
[22:16] <bashelina> W43372,   i tried to create without changing it from 0.0 Mb
[22:16] <[dlp]> ohsix: I never said anything about a known adversary.
[22:16] <pumeust> ayecee, but at least now i know nothings wrong with my system so thanks for the info
[22:16] <matto1990> maco: no windows open
[22:16] <W43372> bashelina what?
[22:16] <Sexygurl2furl> whats new in Ubuntu 11?
[22:16] <JediMaster> hi guys, I've got kubuntu (natty) installed, was wondering what the package is called for unity, is it just ubuntu-desktop?
[22:16] <ohsix> acicula: to suggest encrypting everything
[22:16] <maco> matto1990: when you open a window does it look more like the screenshot?
[22:16] <LjL> Sexygurl2furl: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty
[22:16] <matto1990> maco: nope, full screen still
[22:16] <bashelina> W43372, at the bottom of make startup disk:   u have a bar
[22:16] <maco> matto1990: ooh oh i see what you mean
[22:16] <RAMPKORV> Alright. Renamed it to xorg.conf.old. Now it's reboot time
[22:17] <ohsix> [dlp]: then what information do you have to protect? a casual thief is a known adversary, maybe not who that person is, but an adversary
[22:17] <bashelina> W43372, try increasing that bar
[22:17] <hypetech> JediMaster: it's a compiz plugin
[22:17] <maco> matto1990: i thought you meant the little bar versus the whole thing.... i guess they resized it? alt+right-click  and drag?
[22:17] <W43372> yeah but the SDC won't even recognize the fedora iso
[22:17] <jdahm> escott: you know what I think it might be. I didn't have /dev/sda1 mounted to /mydrive/boot when I chrooted and installed mdadm
[22:17] <jdahm> escott: I'll redo grub anyway as well
[22:17] <W43372> bashelina yeah but the SDC won't even recognize the fedora iso
[22:17] <bashelina> W43372, maybe fedora needs more space for extra files
[22:17] <geekyogi> I moved back to ubuntu classic
[22:17] <escott> jdahm, ok don't know if you saw this: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html
[22:17] <pumeust> geekyogi,  me too
[22:17] <geekyogi> :)
[22:17] <geekyogi> I'm using i7 processor
[22:17] <bashelina> W43372, ok wait ill try to put fedora in
[22:18] <W43372> bashelina the fedora site says that i need at least a 1gb stick this one is 8
[22:18] <pumeust> geekyogi, me too lol
[22:18] <matto1990> maco: nothing seems to happen. It's the actual dash window (think it's called the dash). The bit which opens when you press super
[22:18] <geekyogi> I kinda feel huge CPU utilization
[22:18] <lucas> "battery has a very low capacity". It keeps always popping up. How can I disable it?
[22:18] <geekyogi> @pumeust \m/
[22:18] <ohsix> [dlp]: with infinite time and effort your adversary will get what you want to protect; and has lots of ways to lessen that time, you need to account for the risk with the information
[22:18] <[dlp]> ohsix: Shall we take this into #ubuntu-offtopic?
[22:18] <ayecee> lucas: replace the battery :)
[22:18] <tripelb> RAMPKORV, Arg! Eek!... I need to figure out how to repartition my drive. I really just need to borrow another drive. Switch, repartion, switch back. Then I can intall Natty on a separate partition.  -- I'm also failing at copying files from one filesystem to another. I dont have permissions on the other - no matter which filesystem I log into.
[22:18] <bashelina> W43372,  wow youre right it wont accept it
[22:18] <donpdonp> ayecee: zing! i was thinking it, but you typed it.
[22:18] <Sexygurl2furl> so is 11 giving people problems LjL??
[22:18] <LjL> Sexygurl2furl: yes
[22:18] <Habeous1> lucas: Me too. Battery's dying.
[22:19] <geekyogi> @pumeust, don't you find 11.04 bit slow, and CPU hog..
[22:19] <Sexygurl2furl> why?
[22:19] <LjL> Sexygurl2furl: because that's normal for every new release, really
[22:19] <lucas> ayecee: LOL.... ;) Just looked for a cheaper solution...
[22:19] <Habeous1> lucas: It really blows, but that's the trth
[22:19] <bashelina> W43372,  lets find another usb creator for linux
[22:19] <JediMaster> hypetech, er, really? thought it was a gnome replacement?
[22:19] <Sexygurl2furl> is it in beta?
[22:19] <doodle> maco: you there?
[22:19] <LjL> Sexygurl2furl: just look at the amount of traffic in this channel. it's not always like this.
[22:19] <jdahm> escott: ok I rebuilt the initrd, reinstalled mdadm, and reinstalled grub with the line: set root='(/dev/sda,msdos1)'
[22:19] <ayecee> lucas: you can also remove the battery. I'm not sure offhand how to disable just that message, though.
[22:19] <LjL> Sexygurl2furl: no, it's released, but that doesn't stop it from still being rough around the edge for a few people.
[22:19] <hypetech> JediMaster: no it runs on top of gnome
[22:19] <ohsix> [dlp]: the bad advice was given here; the reasons why its bad should probably be elaborated a little in here; but that's been done
[22:19] <pumeust> geekyogi, i just installed it not long ago, havent noticed that its slower
[22:19] <[dlp]> ohsix: But the adversary does not have infinite time, because in a few years the information will be worthless.
[22:19] <jdahm> escott: anything else you can think of?
[22:19] <RAMPKORV> Amazing. It worked. Just have to fix multiple monitors, then get on to whatever other problems there may be
[22:19] <W43372> bashelina i found the source for the one fedora says to use but I idont know what to do with it
[22:20] <geekyogi> on i7 processor I find lots of CPU hog for 11.04
[22:20] <escott> jdahm, shouldn't that be sda3 or 5 or something
[22:20] <alecbenzer> tried to install 11.04, but the installer crapped out towards the end of the install, though if left me with an almost complete 11.04 installation. one problem I'm can't seem to do anything with apt. running apt-get install <whatever> gives me: http://pastie.org/1844991 ideas?
[22:20] <Wolver1n3> i am bout to install 11.04, I have 4 Partitions on my previous 10.10 install ine ext 10gb for system ans the rest for home folders, if i chose the erase 10.10 and install 11.04 will it erase my home partition to?
[22:20] <tripelb> Not a sexy problem: When I am on filesystem A I cant copy files from filesystem B (no permissions). When I boot into filesystem B I cant even SEE filesystem A. 10.04
[22:20] <Kyle__> Err, is the ubuntu software center very laggy for anyone else since the 11.04 update?
[22:20] <[dlp]> I know first hand why it's bad. For various reasons.
[22:20] <geekyogi> I think I should get back to 10.10
[22:20] <JediMaster> hypetech, heh, makes more sense, it's been somewhat misreported in the media
[22:20] <demonspork> is there a way to use an Ubuntu live disk to find the Windows license#? I have a nonfunctional copy of windows that I need to get the key from so I can reinstall it (the only key I can find is the vista key on the bottom of hte laptop, this is a win7 I upgraded and lsot the key)
[22:20] <Wolver1n3> sorry i meant to say 2 partitions
[22:20] <LjL> !slow | Kyle__
[22:20] <doodle> Hello, I have installed Ubuntu, but a drive with 48 GB space is empty, how to create a partition with that space?
[22:20] <pumeust> geekyogi, surprised to hear that because i read 11.04 was going to be lighter
[22:20] <escott> jdahm, i lied thats right
[22:20] <jdahm> escott: no, as long as /dev/sda1 is bootable, you should ALWAYS install grub to the root of the drive, (at least thats what I've always beentold)
[22:20] <tripelb> Kyle__, is the bear in the woods? Is the Pope in the church?
[22:20] <lucas> ayecee: well, popping out the battery is not a good idea I think. After all I have just enough charge left to do a normal shutdown in an event of a power failure
[22:20] <jdahm> escott: just doubled checked and /dev/sda1 is bootable
[22:20] <ohsix> [dlp]: "a few years" is a contraint on the information you want to protect, and as i've said that's just the principle axiom; they can and do have means to take less than infinite time
[22:21] <JediMaster> hypetech, yeah I see it depends on compiz
[22:21] <nutsfornatty> Kyle_: a lot of users are upgrading apps. expect software center to be a bit slow.
[22:21] <geekyogi> pumeust, yes.. but I guess not well tested on my hw.. it's just few hrs old.. would take some time to evolve :D
[22:21] <LjL> ohsix, [dlp]: i do suggest that you move this to #ubuntu-offtopic at this time
[22:21] <jdahm> escott: I'm going to triple check the UUIDs in /etc/fstab as well
[22:21] <ayecee> lucas: google search turns this up: "I was able to fix this by opening gconf-editor, and setting the key /apps/gnome-power-manager/notify/low_capacity to false."
[22:21] <ohsix> [dlp]: another case i've personally accounted for is for family to have access to most of my information in the even that i disappear
[22:21] <W43372> bashelina I'm downloading Unetbootin from the USC
[22:21] <Kyle__> LjL: nutsfornatty: I don't care about the time to download and install, it's that _after_ the page is loaded, it's periodically freezing for a second or two, when scrolling around, then behaves fine.
[22:22] <bashelina> W43372,  what OS are you on ?
[22:22] <LjL> Kyle__: i don't know then
[22:22] <ohsix> LjL: if [dlp] wants to continue we can do it in msg :]
[22:22] <andeeeuk> how can you set you package manager to download from the fastest servers?
[22:22]  * Kyle__ nods
[22:22] <Kyle__> Today of all days, I expect slow downloads.
[22:22] <mmiller235> Does anyone know why the ubuntu theme engine crashes whenever gnome OR unity runs in virtualbox?
[22:22] <Kyle__> mmiller235: Do you have 3d enabled, or the ubuntu virtualbox drivers installed?
[22:22] <ohsix> mmiller235: it'd be a virtualbox problem with the gpu emulation most likely, no?
[22:22] <[dlp]> ohsix: Unless "they" have developed an efficient interger factorisation algorithm, "they" will not be able to decrypt the information within its valuable lifespan.
[22:23] <Wolver1n3> if i have a home partition and a system partition what would be the best intsall option not to delete my stuff on 11.04
[22:23] <mmiller235> Kyle__, it happens regardless of whether I have 3d enabled, and it even happens when I go into gnome classic
[22:23] <[dlp]> ohsix: Or unless "they" are prepared to come and beat me with a rubber hose for it.
[22:23] <Kyle__> mmiller235: gnome-classic in 11?  I think that's still compiz
[22:23] <hypetech> Wolver1n3: nothing in your /home should be deleted during an upgrade
[22:23] <mmiller235> Kyle__ not if you select (no effects)
[22:23] <stefg> mmiller235: you need virtualbox 4.0.6 and the 4.0.6 guest-tools installed. Nattys xserver is pickky...
[22:23] <ohsix> [dlp]: you are making a facile argument against "encryption", not against how people will acquire your information regardless of whether encryption is employed or not
[22:24] <LjL> please, #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:24] <mmiller235> stefg I have 4.0.6 and 4.0.6 guest additions
[22:24] <Kyle__> mmiller235: OK.  Well, try and install the virtualbox guest extensions for ubuntu.  See if it helps.
[22:24] <ohsix> [dlp]: message me if you wish to continue
[22:24] <mmiller235> Kyle__ i did install them
[22:24] <stefg> mmiller235: hmmm ... works for me
[22:24] <jdahm> escott: ok those look correct as well
[22:24] <lucas> ayecee: Tried the solution. Logged out and in again, and it still there... I guess I have to buy a new one ;)
[22:25] <Guest72146> guys can any1 help me with gwibber?
[22:25] <ohsix> yes
[22:25] <bashelina> W43372,  are you on Windows, fedora or Ubuntu ??????????????
[22:25] <neckoox> Guest72146 : you are behind a proxy ?
[22:25] <Kyle__> mmiller235: That's odd then.  I've used ubuntu 9, 10, and 11 (the beta at least) in virtualbox and not had that issue.
[22:25] <ohsix> if guys knew what you wanted help with
[22:25] <W43372> Bashelina Ubuntu Maverick
[22:25] <W43372> Bashelina I'm in the ubuntu IRC aren't i?
[22:25] <mmiller235> Kyle__ quite frankly, I have never personally gotten ubuntu to run reliably in virtualbox
[22:25] <stefg> mmiller235:Vbox's 3d acceleration might have trouble with your hosts graphics driver. what videocard/driver do you use?
[22:25] <Guest72146> neckoox: sure the whole country is behind a proxy:D
[22:25] <Kevin147> W43372: Yes you are
[22:26] <giulia> hello
[22:26] <mmiller235> stefg it happens even when I am not using 3d acceleration and even when the effects are turned off
[22:26] <ohsix> mmiller235: i haven't had much luck with anything in vbox D:
[22:26] <neckoox> Guest72146 : oho . where do you live ? in china ? x)
[22:26] <giulia> I have the natty desktop
[22:26] <W43372> Kevin147: I am? Really!?!
[22:26] <Kyle__> mmiller235: Virtualbox all on the same system that's giving you trouble now?
[22:26] <giulia> but when I click on the clock, then setting time and date
[22:26] <bashelina> W43372,  here you the fedora usb creator in source
[22:26] <giulia> no window appears
[22:26] <Soothsayer> would the best way to upgrade to Natty from 10.10 is by booting into installer ?
[22:26] <Guest72146> neckoox:  that would have been lovely:D i liv in lebanon we have few IPs here:D
[22:26] <bashelina> W43372, https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/liveusb-creator/liveusb-creator-3.11.0.tar.bz2
[22:26] <stefg> mmiller235: so running classic/ 2d still gives you crashes?
[22:26] <kshawkeye> Wow, the new upgrade is taking forever to download...
[22:26] <proq> virtualbox is great if you don't mind broken 3D most of the time
[22:26] <acicula> Soothsayer: upgrading can be done using the update-manager
[22:26] <giulia> and I have no idea on how can I solve my problem
[22:26] <jdahm> escott: ok rebooting
[22:27] <mmiller235> stefg yeah, the ubuntu theme engine crashes and it falls back on this gray ugly theme
[22:27] <neckoox> Guest72146 : bad luck . Gwibber doesn't work behind a proxy
[22:27] <ohsix> kshawkeye: pick a faster mirror in software properties
[22:27] <proq> (and tons of issues with usb)
[22:27] <acicula> Soothsayer: booting the installer from usb/cd will make it (re)install rather then update i should think
[22:27] <sdegutis> :)
[22:27] <Soothsayer> acicula: ye, but i've already downloaded the iso to install on another comp.. so can I reuse that? cause my nets not too fast.
[22:27] <sdegutis> my irc client is getting slightly better
[22:27] <neckoox> Guest72146 : and that's very annonyng for me too
[22:27] <giulia> any idea on how can I solve my problem ?
[22:27] <neckoox> Guest72146 : annoyin'*
[22:27] <giulia> seems very trivial
[22:27] <sdegutis> <3
[22:27] <acicula> Soothsayer: eh yeah you can add the cdrom as a source in software sources, dunno if thats enough to let you upgrade though
[22:28] <giulia> but I need the seconds on my clock !!!!
[22:28] <stefg> mmiller235: let me try what happens i i disable 3d for the natty guest...
[22:28] <jkr801> anyone know why natty would be giving me a Mountall: disconnected from Plymouth error on a headless box
[22:28] <ayecee> giulia: what is the problem you're having? I think it's scrolled past already.
[22:28] <mmiller235> stefg as I said, it appears to be independent of anything related to 3d
[22:29] <FreeTheBee> is it possible to get rid of the 'apps available for download' items in the unity apps menu?
[22:29] <thanos> hello!
[22:29] <giulia> my problem is
[22:29] <ohsix> jkr801: disabled kms? or no video
[22:29] <giulia> I click on the clock
[22:29] <jkr801> totally headless
[22:29] <Soothsayer> acicula: not what i meant, see this - http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/04/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-1104-natty.html?m=1
[22:29] <giulia> then I click on Set time and date
[22:29] <ayecee> giulia: could you put the problem on one line, so the first half doesn't scroll off before you're done?
[22:29] <ohsix> jkr801: right, but is it totally devoid of video hardware
[22:29] <jkr801> yup
[22:29] <giulia> I do my best
[22:30] <jkr801> its installed thru vbox
[22:30] <ohsix> jkr801: you can ignore it then, unless it's preventing mountall from working, then report a bug
[22:30] <damiano> hey guys, i'm using lighttpd and i have many IP address on my server. How could i set an ip address for a website? (virtual hosting)
[22:30] <damiano> ?
[22:30] <thanos> after install ubuntu 11.04 i have problem with 2 partitions..   have any idea how to solve it? i have important files
[22:30] <Sexygurl2furl> after i upgrade to 10.10
[22:30] <jkr801> ya thats fine but it doesnt take me to a login
[22:30] <Sexygurl2furl> are my third party repos killed?
[22:30] <Kyle__> thanos: Define the problem.
[22:30] <ayecee> damiano: there's a lighttpd channel here on freenode that might be better suited for your question.
[22:30] <Sexygurl2furl> or disabled?
[22:30] <giulia> ok, I click on the clock, then I click on Set time and date. The problem is that no window appears after that, nothing asking to unlock, nada. And I have no idea on how can I solve the problem
[22:30] <ohsix> damiano: theres a manual for lighttpd, and the ubuntu admin guide online
[22:31] <ojii> just upgraded to natty and love it!
[22:31] <ayecee> giulia: using natty, or a different version?
[22:31] <boodroscotch> Why was the option to use custom applications as the default web browser removed in Preferred Apps?
[22:31] <giulia> natty
[22:31] <giulia> (just have upgraded)
[22:31] <boodroscotch> I can't use Chromium as the default browser any more unless I remove Firefox.
[22:31] <ayecee> giulia: okay, I don't know then. They seem to be using a different clock applet now.
[22:31] <thanos> Kyle_: i have 2 partiotions and i cant mount them
[22:31] <boodroscotch> I'm on Natty
[22:32] <Kyle__> thanos: What does it say when you try?  What are the filesystems on them?
[22:32] <laumonier> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600454/ ive got that problem when i try to upgrade to natty what should i do???
[22:32] <giulia> very strange ayecee
[22:32] <Sexygurl2furl> after i upgrade are my third party repos disabled??
[22:32] <giulia> cos I exactly followed what they say in the help
[22:32] <usr13> Sexygurl2furl: no
[22:33] <ohsix> ayecee: the bar isn't anything like the old panel; you're right, but they aren't applets
[22:33] <Sexygurl2furl> ok
[22:33] <thanos> Kyle_:  one is btrfs and the other is ext4
[22:33] <FLeiXiuS> Boy those servers are getting hammered today.
[22:34] <usr13> Sexygurl2furl: Are you about to pull the triger on 11.04 ?
[22:34] <FreeTheBee> check some close by mirrors
[22:34] <Kyle__> thanos: Did you first check /proc/filesystems to make sure btrfs is listed (or modprobe btrfs to include the module)?
[22:34] <Sexygurl2furl> usr13, I am about to upgrade to 10.10
[22:34] <Sexygurl2furl> :X
[22:34] <MK``> I'm going to use an old harddrive of mine specifically as an Ubuntu repository and seed them when I can
[22:34] <MK``> 10.10 is boss, good luck!
[22:34] <usr13> Sexygurl2furl: oh, ok.  So you are on 10.04 now?
[22:34] <giulia> ayecee, when I go to the right top corner, I click on System settings, I choose "time and date" nothing appears. The cursor says it opens but after, no window, nothing
[22:34] <FreeTheBee> I grabbed an iso this afternoon and just upgraded my system tonight, both downloads were really fast
[22:34] <giulia> so the problem comes from my system
[22:35] <Sexygurl2furl> usr13, I think so
[22:35] <Sexygurl2furl> :X
[22:35] <thanos> Kyle_:  sorry i don't understand
[22:35] <mmiller235> stefg
[22:35] <jibadeeha> 10.10 is history
[22:35] <tiago> Hi everyone!
[22:35] <Sexygurl2furl> I don't know.
[22:35] <usr13> Sexygurl2furl: (Mine is 10.04)
[22:35] <ayecee> giulia: I have nothing to add, I have not used natty.
[22:35] <usr13> Sexygurl2furl: and sticking with it.
[22:35] <typhoon> does any one know anything about knockd and ufw for multiple services?
[22:35] <RonyBirra> who is the ubuntu spanish channel? ubuntu-es ?
[22:35] <MK``> go to System > About ubuntu for information on the version
[22:35] <Sexygurl2furl> how do i know which version i am on?
[22:35] <alecbenzer> anyone know how to fix this issue with apt? http://paste.ubuntu.com/600462/
[22:35] <Sexygurl2furl> why usr13? :o
[22:35] <MK``> !es
[22:35] <Monotoko> does anyone know how I would get my music from my iPhone onto the natty installation?
[22:35] <thanos> if you want to pastebin something
[22:35] <giulia> ok, I was just giving some feedback after trying another solution
[22:35] <BUGabundo> NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[22:35] <Kyle__> thanos: OK.  What does it say when you try and mout your ext4 partition then?
[22:35] <Guest78840> Sorry, could somebody help me?
[22:35] <BUGabundo> you guys took me #ubuntu+1 :(
[22:35] <RonyBirra> thnaks
[22:36] <ayecee> alecbenzer: do apt-get update again
[22:36] <RonyBirra> #ubuntu-es
[22:36] <usr13> Sexygurl2furl: LTS
[22:36] <thanos> nothing but doen't open
[22:36] <stefg> mmiller235: just tested natty  in 2d... switched through some themes and resized the desktop... no crashes.
[22:36] <usr13> Sexygurl2furl: LTS is happiness
[22:36] <Monotoko> BUGabundo, it'll be back in a week or two
[22:36] <ayecee> Guest78840: could you describe the problem? It's long since scrolled off.
[22:36] <thanos> Kyle_: nothing but doen't open
[22:36] <mknarr> Guest78840,  what so u need help with ?
[22:36] <mmiller235> stefg okay, well, clearly something is different about your system
[22:36] <Sexygurl2furl> LTS usr123?
[22:36] <happyface> I clicked "forward" in the "preparing to install ubuntu" screen and it's been just "thinking" for 5 minutes. Should I reboot?
[22:36] <Kyle__> thanos: what about when you try it from the command line?
[22:36] <jdahm> escott: ok still the same error
[22:36] <jdahm> grr!
[22:36] <mmiller235> stefg you are on virtualbox right?
[22:36] <Guest78840> My system freezes ever since I open deluge or other bit torrent..
[22:36] <BUGabundo> Monotoko: one week without my friends :/
[22:37] <alien__> Hi all, any real drawbacks to upgrade to 11.04 instead of fresh install?
[22:37] <jdahm> escott: now I'm sure that it's with grub
[22:37] <mknarr> Guest78840,  what are your sys specks
[22:37] <ratcheer> I just updated to Natty. My main user still runs Firefox 3.6. But, I created a new user and that user runs FF 4. How do I get my primary user to run FF 4 instead of 3.6?
[22:37] <stefg> mmiller235: greetings from captain obvious :-) the art is finding out what it is :-\
[22:37] <typhoon> can anyone help me with ufw rules please?
[22:37] <jiohdi> alien__: its a gamble, many have no problems at all
[22:37] <escott> jdahm, unfortunately there are like NO DOCS for grub2 so i dont know what error 16 is
[22:37] <gooorsd> anyone had any trouble with wired networking since updating to natty ?
[22:37] <Monotoko> does anyone know how I would get my music from my iPhone in Linux? :S
[22:37] <Guest78840> Sys specks? I don't understand sorry.
[22:37] <jdahm> escott: it almost looks like grub1 is loading
[22:38] <msh210> What an ugly UI!! Natty, my foot. /me uses the "classic" option at login.
[22:38] <jdahm> escott: not grub2
[22:38] <thanos> Kyle_:  i didn't try from command line from nautilus
[22:38] <mknarr> typhoon,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncomplicated_Firewall
[22:38] <mmiller235> stefg well how do we find out what it is?
[22:38] <escott> jdahm, really how can you tell?
[22:38] <jdahm> escott: thats what makes me kinda confused
[22:38] <alien__> jiohdi: Thanks ... might aswell try and see how it goes :)
[22:38] <alecbenzer> ayecee: that runs for a bit, then hangs, then gives me the same error
[22:38] <Kyle__> thanos: Try from the command line, it will probably tell you what's wrong
[22:38] <Monotoko> hmmm -goes and googles it a lil more-
[22:38] <jdahm> escott: it has a larger font and no background behind grub
[22:38] <Kyle__> thanos: sorry I gotta go
[22:38] <mknarr> Guest78840,  what are System Specifications"
[22:38] <jiohdi> alien__: on the plus side you do not have to hunt down all the programs you already have
[22:38] <thanos> Kyle_:  iDBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[22:38] <jdahm> escott: at least when I upgraded to grub2 on my arch box I saw that change
[22:38] <Guest78840> 64 Bit
[22:38] <Guest78840> Is that it?
[22:38] <typhoon> @mknarr thanks, but I have a rather more complicated setup, multiple daemons  multiple ports with different publishing rules required
[22:39] <Sexygurl2furl> LTS usr13?
[22:39] <escott> jdahm, does it show menu and do the stage 1.0 1.5 nonsense, cause they got right of that with grub2
[22:39] <typhoon> @mknarr just need a nudge
[22:39] <stefg> mmiller235: i run 10.04/nvidia as host and an updated natty beta one isntall as guest.
[22:39] <tucemiux> is it out?
[22:39] <acicula> typhoon: what are you trying to do?
[22:39] <pooltable> how long dose the upgrade take ?
[22:39] <maco> tucemiux: yes
[22:39] <mknarr> typhoon, srry im only a basic user of that firewall
[22:39] <tucemiux> maco, theres no more bots?
[22:39] <mmiller235> stefg I have OSX as host
[22:39] <ratcheer> pooltable: About 2 hours or more.
[22:39] <alien__> jiohdi: yes! and have to reinstall all the dev tool :) ... Well upgrading now .. fingers crossed ;)
[22:39] <escott> jdahm, the font size can vary in grub2 depending upon config, but you are actually getting to a menu?
[22:39] <jdahm> escott: it doesn't show anything, just says grub and then error 16"
[22:39] <mknarr> Guest78840, since u r running 64 bit i take it u have 4gb+ ram  and a duel core processor +
[22:40] <jiohdi> alien__: today is not necessarily the best day for that though
[22:40] <Guest78840> Yes
[22:40] <thanos> after install ubuntu 11.04 i have problem with 2 partitions..   have any idea how to solve it? i have important files
[22:40] <escott> jdahm, do you think you might have a grub1 install on sdb's mbr?
[22:40] <Guest78840> 4GB DDR3
[22:40] <Sexygurl2furl> hey guys what is LTS?
[22:40] <Guest78840> And it is a I3
[22:40] <UbuN2> hello is upgrade functional
[22:40] <jiohdi> Sexygurl2furl: long term support
[22:40] <jdahm> escott: can I clear out the MBR of other drives?
[22:40] <thanos> somebody can help?
[22:40] <escott> thanos, what happened
[22:40] <jdahm> just to be sure?
[22:40] <mknarr> Guest78840, dose your computer freeze  if you open anything else?
[22:40] <ratcheer> Sexygurl2furl: Long Term Support
[22:40] <pooltable> ratcheer can i do other thing wile it is upgrade ing ?
[22:40] <Guest78840> Nop.
[22:40] <jdahm> escott: do you know the command for that?
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[22:40] <escott> jdahm, sure do grub-install on all the mbrs
[22:40] <UbuN2> i keep getting error when i click upgrade
[22:40] <Guest5917> Sexygurl2furl, long term support
[22:40] <Galvatron> thanos: We're not Nostradamus.  Define "problem".
[22:40] <Guest78840> Only with bit torrent programs for now.
[22:40] <ratcheer> pooltable: You are not supposed to.
[22:40] <Sexygurl2furl> ah
[22:40] <thanos> escott, i cant mount 2 partitions
[22:40] <typhoon> @acicula I need ssh, ssl email ports and smtp, and web 80 available to internet + internal lan. I also need mysql ports only available on internal
[22:40] <Guest78840> I've tried out Deluge, Transmission, Ktorrent..
[22:41] <Galvatron> Sexygurl2furl: Long-Term Support
[22:41] <mknarr> dosnt LTS mean long term support?
[22:41] <thanos> of curse
[22:41] <escott> thanos, can't mount from livecd
[22:41] <stefg> mmiller235: i'd go to the VBox Forums. i could imagine that an OSX host has a completl different set of problems than a linux or windows host
[22:41] <pooltable> ratcheer thanks i will be back then
[22:41] <tucemiux> UbuN2, disable your wireless then try it with your lan cable hooked up to your machine
[22:41] <jiohdi> Sexygurl2furl: it means that that distro will be supported for like 3-5 years for updates and upgrades
[22:41] <thanos> no doesnt open
[22:41] <usr13> alecbenzer: What version of Ubuntu do you have?
[22:41] <Galvatron> thanos: Whate filesystem are they?
[22:41] <UbuN2> ok tucemiux
[22:41] <thanos> btrfs and ext4
[22:41] <eoke> If you use crypto and lvm you may not be able to see the password dialog for the encrypted volume upon boot (just see a flashing cursor nothing else after grub).  If you boot into safe mode and install the graphics drivers it seems to fix the issue.  In case anyone else is having the same issue.
[22:41] <mknarr> Guest78840, hmmm
[22:41] <ratcheer> I just updated to Natty. My main user still runs Firefox 3.6. But, I created a new user and that user runs FF 4. How do I get my primary user to run FF 4 instead of 3.6?
[22:41] <UbuN2> how u know i had wireless
[22:41] <jiohdi> Sexygurl2furl: more for the business users so that they can be sure that what they have can stay the same for that long
[22:41] <UbuN2> lol
[22:41] <escott> thanos, the live cd might not like your btrfs if it is a few versions behind in kernel from your last booted kernel, but ext4 shouldn't be a problem
[22:41] <FreeTheBee> I wonder what the thought was about putting a tablet/netbook gui in a desktop os
[22:42] <stefg> mmiller235: have you tried to locate and download a prebuilt guest?
[22:42] <Sexygurl2furl> so which distro
[22:42] <Sexygurl2furl> is the best?
[22:42] <typhoon> @acicula I'm being a noob. I just open the lot don't I and NAT the rest through my router...
[22:42] <alecbenzer> usr13: it's an 11.04 install, though like I mentioned earlier the installer crashed towards the end, but it left me with an almost complete install - I'm trying to see if I can fill in the holes
[22:42] <mmiller235> stefg what is that?
[22:42] <jiohdi> Sexygurl2furl: which ever one is labeled as LTS
[22:42] <thanos> i dont know what happent
[22:42] <escott> thanos, what does it say when you: sudo mkdir /mnt/ext4; sudo mount /dev/sda? /mnt/ext4;
[22:42] <usr13> alecbenzer: See:  http://oclug.on.ca/archives/linux/2007-February/001056.html
[22:42] <jiohdi> Sexygurl2furl: depends on your machine and your needs
[22:43] <usr13> !lts | Sexygurl2furl
[22:43] <Sexygurl2furl> jiohdi, i have a home computer
[22:43] <mknarr> Guest78840, srry man i cant think y it would cause your comp to freeze
[22:43] <jiohdi> Sexygurl2furl: what do you use it for?
[22:43] <AmuletOfNight> Hey, if you had ubuntu 11.04 beta, do you have to do any upgrades for the official release of ubuntu 11.04?
[22:43] <Sexygurl2furl> running runescape bots playing minecraft torrenting and using jd downloader
[22:43] <Sexygurl2furl> i also irc a lot
[22:43] <Guest78840> Hum. Thanks anyway! I'll keep searching.
[22:43] <Guest78840> It is weird because in 10.10 it caused me no trouble,
[22:43] <thanos> DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
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[22:44] <mknarr> Guest78840, GL
[22:44] <jdahm> escott: so heres something.  When I do "apt-get install grub2" it wants to remove some grub packages and install "grub2"
[22:44] <ratcheer> AmuletOfNight: No, just update aptitude and safe-upgrade
[22:44] <Sexygurl2furl> jiohdi, ^
[22:44] <jiohdi> Sexygurl2furl: as long as whatever you are looking at can run those things you are golden
[22:44] <jdahm> escott: are you sure it by default has grub2??
[22:44] <Galvatron> AmuletOfNight: If you have all the latest updates you already have the final release
[22:44] <Sexygurl2furl> so i shouldnt upgrade?
[22:44] <Sexygurl2furl> :X
[22:44] <escott> jdahm, the old grub is now called grub-pc or grub-legacy
[22:44] <jiohdi> Sexygurl2furl: if you are not sure and what you have now works... give it a couple of months to let them get the bugs out
[22:44] <jdahm> escott: ok I have grub-install (GRUB) 1.99~rc1-13ubuntu3
[22:45] <Sexygurl2furl> ah
[22:45] <hoodoos> guys, anybody heard anything bad/good about hopone.net DC?
[22:45] <AmuletOfNight> Okay, thanks. Is there a way to check for a "beta" label in the OS somewhere to see if I'm still marked as beta?
[22:45] <escott> jdahm, ie grub2
[22:45] <thanos> escott, DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[22:45] <jdahm> escott: yep.  Ok back to debugging this.  everything is mounted and I'm chroot'd
[22:45] <usr13> Sexygurl2furl: It's kind of like the difference between bleeding edge and cutting edge.
[22:45] <zvacet> Sexygurl2furl: witch version do you run
[22:46] <Sexygurl2furl> i dont know
[22:46] <Sexygurl2furl> how do i check
[22:46] <Sexygurl2furl> ??
[22:46] <usr13> Sexygurl2furl: lsb_release -a
[22:46] <zvacet> in terminal   lsb_release -a
[22:46] <alecbenzer> usr13: apt-get update is still giving me the error
[22:46] <escott> thanos, huh? how did you get that from a terminal command, open a terminal and type: sudo mkdir /mnt/ext4; sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ext4;
[22:46] <zatan> hi, how can I change my username on natty?
[22:47] <Galvatron> AmuletOfNight: As I said, get all the latest updates and you are no longer beta. I'm personally using a beta install CD for my 10.10 and just update the stuff to the actual version. That's all.
[22:47] <escott> thanos, adjust sda1 if the name is something else
[22:47] <mknarr> Guest78840, here man check out this link
[22:47] <mknarr> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=222050
[22:47] <ohsix> zatan: the login or the long name?
[22:47] <usr13> alecbenzer: Did you try what was described in the above article?
[22:47] <escott> zatan, ehhh usually just create a new user with the desired name and move files
[22:47] <mello> is there a way to reset all gnome settings? I accidently did something wrong (disabled too many compiz effects) and now unity wont start
[22:47] <claw>  after updating to natty i cant install broadcom wlan driver : jockey.log http://tinyurl.com/6bvscku
[22:47] <escott> zatan, you could try just renaming your $HOME after creating a user but it could get messy
[22:47] <thanos> escott, sudo mkdir /mnt/ext4 i do only this and appears this in a window
[22:48] <zatan> ohsix,  antanas@ubu I need to change "antanas"
[22:48] <ohsix> zatan: the user editor lets you change the long name; changing your usernameis harder but not impossible, you move your home dir to the new name, change passwd, shadow, group; then use find to find files owned by the old uid and set them to the new one
[22:48] <abys> Hello all :)
[22:48] <coz_> mello,   well if it was compiz that made this happen  open ccsm  go to Preferences and  hit the "Reset to defaults"  button
[22:48] <alecbenzer> usr13: yes, after moving around the status files apt-get update is still giving me the error
[22:48] <thanos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600469/
[22:48] <mello> coz_ unity won't start.
[22:49] <ohsix> zatan: you can also add the new name with useradd & leave the home d ir as is, then change permissions
[22:49] <ohsix> zatan: there are lots of ways to do it
[22:49] <typhoon> mello: try changing your session to gnome and setting the defaults in ccsm from there
[22:49] <abys> Looking for some support on 10.10 11.04 upgrade -> 2011-04-28 22:17:13,336 ERROR NvidiaDetection returned a error: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'datadir'
[22:49] <escott> thanos, why are you sending me fdisk output?
[22:49] <coz_> mello,   oh!!
[22:49] <mrdudeiii> quit
[22:49] <Devaronian> Hey nvidia error, got myself a load of those too
[22:49] <coz_> mello,   are you in classic gnome desktop?
[22:49] <mello> typhoon: thanks
[22:49] <usr13> alecbenzer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/346386
[22:50] <mello> coz_ no xfce. I installed both xfce and gnome shell
[22:50] <abys> did you find a work arround mate?
[22:50] <quellhorst> how can in install 11.04 onto a linux software raid?
[22:50] <coz_> mello,  maybe you disabled the  ubuntu unity plugin in ccsm ??
[22:50] <zatan> ohsix,  ok I will try to add new user , and change home dir permissions
[22:50] <quellhorst> its a brand new install
[22:50] <mello> coz_ yes probably. compositing didn't work with my graphics driver (ATI), so i accidently disabled it
[22:50] <coz_> mello,  oh!!!!  gnome shell??
[22:50] <ohsix> zatan: it might be a great idea to back things up until you are sureyou got it right
[22:50] <coz_> mello,   gnome shell will break Unity
[22:51] <thanos> just to show you my disks
[22:51] <mello> coz_ hmm.. fair point. It rather seems that unity breaks gnome shell
[22:51] <mello> lmao
[22:51] <mello> coz_ give me 5 minutes
[22:51] <thanos> escott, ok what can i do?
[22:51] <fatbrain_t> nice work with 11.04, When I first started 11.04 I got an error saying Unity didn't work, and fallback to gnome. I've since then installed graphics drivers etc, and now when I reboot I get gnome all the time. Is there something I have to do to force it to use Unity again?
[22:52] <ismaell> hello
[22:52] <thanos> escott, i dont know alot
[22:52] <gooorsd> any of you guys have trouble with networking in natty
[22:52] <zatan> tahnks ohsix
[22:52] <zvacet> fatbrain_t: on login screen under session select ubuntu
[22:52] <escott> thanos, evidently what happens when you do sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ext4
[22:52] <gooorsd> i cant get wiredlan unless i disconnect my wire from the router and reconnect it
[22:53] <gooorsd> worked perfect in 10.10
[22:53] <fatbrain_t> zvacet: I am using "Ubuntu" as my session, but it gives me gnome anyway... Maybe I have somethign wrong wtih my graphics driver (sorry bad spelling)
[22:53] <zvacet> fatbrain_t; is it ubuntu or ubuntu classic
[22:53] <thanos> escott, nothing write
[22:54] <fatbrain_t> zvacet: ubuntu.
[22:54] <ismaell> a friend of mine upgraded to natty, and the system is (quietly) crashing at startup... (I suspect about the wifi driver, because it's brcm80211), anyone knows?
[22:54] <rcmaehl> WTF is this
[22:54] <rcmaehl> 11.04 is wth
[22:54] <laumonier>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/600454/ ive got that problem when i try to upgrade to natty what should i do???
[22:54] <fatbrain_t> zvacet: iirc, there was some command I could type to see if glx or something was enabled... I'll google and see if I can figure it out :) thanks for input.
[22:54] <zvacet> fatbrain_t:  that should give you unity sorry can not help it is first day I use it
[22:54] <xinel> can't boot into ubuntu after alternative 11.04 install, hangs after grub, any ideas?
[22:54] <escott> thanos, please mount | pastebinit
[22:54] <fatbrain_t> zvacet: no problem. Thanks.
[22:55] <zombie__> xinel what kind of computer you got man?
[22:55] <Samsagax> hi, i have some problems isntallin an i386 program ona 64bit ubuntu
[22:55] <thanos> escott, http://paste.ubuntu.com/600472/
[22:55] <rcmaehl> WTH I can't use the windows key for shortcuts
[22:55] <gooorsd> its so weird that stuff that worked perfect in a previous version suddenly stops working
[22:55] <sfdsafdsafdsa> hi will the next relase of arch linux be like arch vista ?
[22:55] <zvacet> fatbrain_t:  give me a sec
[22:56] <gooorsd> sfdsafdsafdsa: realease of arch?
[22:56] <abys> Anyone with nvidia error while calculating the changes?
[22:56] <typhoon> rcmaehl: you can, just configure compiz
[22:56] <xinel> just bits and pieces i put together, is there a problem with certain hardware atm?
[22:56] <rcmaehl> typhoon: I have
[22:56] <jdahm> escott: wait the CURRENT grub seems to be grub-pc, right?
[22:56] <escott> thanos its mounted fine, /dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro,commit=0) /dev/sda3 on /media/22c795f0-2bb4-4730-9f46-bd422497a4be type btrfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)
[22:56] <alecbenzer> usr13: seems hopeful. rm-ing the list files from /var/lib/apt/lists and then apt-get update seems to fix it for that list, but lots of lists seem to have issues. running through all of them...
[22:56] <Samsagax> anyone knows how to get i386 libs to work in a 64bit?
[22:56] <escott> jdahm, no grub 1 is grub-pc
[22:56] <xman> hola
[22:56] <IsmAvatar> laumonier: I had that problem. Follow what it says. Turns out I had an unofficial software source that I had to remove before upgrading.
[22:56] <xman> hola
[22:56] <xman> hola
[22:56] <typhoon> rcmaehl: can you be a bit more specific then? what are you trying to achieve?
[22:56] <jdahm> escott: what is grub2 then?  I want to reinstall it
[22:56] <sureshg> hi
[22:56] <zvacet> fatbrain_t:  in terminal  fglrxinfo
[22:56] <xinel> might download and try desktop install, wandering if its a problem with encryption :/
[22:57] <xinel> wondering
[22:57] <thanos> escott, i want the files from sda3 and sda6
[22:57] <Galvatron> sfdsafdsafdsa: How are we supposed to know? Ask in the Arch channel, If you don't think this question is kinda weird.
[22:57] <fatbrain_t> zvacet: I think that's for ATI users only.
[22:57] <undead> hi everybody
[22:57] <rcmaehl> Taskbar at the bottom, window buttons or the right, use of windows key for shortcuts
[22:57] <escott> jdahm, sorry im wrong
[22:57] <rcmaehl> emerald for window decorator
[22:57] <escott> jdahm, grub-pc is grub2 and the old grub1 is grub
[22:57] <zvacet> fatbrain_t:  yes and you are using nvidia?
[22:57] <escott> thanos, well sda3 is mounted on /media/22c...
[22:58] <fatbrain_t> zvacet: think I have intel mobile gpu
[22:58] <escott> thanos, for sda6 you just need to define your mountpoint and mountit
[22:58] <thanos> escott,how
[22:58] <Soothsayer> ok
[22:58] <zvacet> fatbrain_t:    glxinfo
[22:58] <Soothsayer> i booted into Ubuntu 11.04 and I don't get an upgrade option
[22:59] <Soothsayer> it only allows me to install it alongside 10.10
[22:59] <nadien> hi, where is the menu bar in new firefox?
[22:59] <escott> thanos, with sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/mountpoint-of-your-choosing
[22:59] <thanos> escott, i mount it before and doesnt open
[22:59] <phoenixsampras> well, im impressed
[22:59] <phoenixsampras> Ubuntu 11.04
[22:59] <cassio> hi. how can i change the workspace grid from a 2x2 to the old 1x4 grid?
[22:59] <escott> thanos, are you expecting a window to just pop-up
[23:00] <ivo__> hi
[23:00] <escott> cassio, should be accessible in ccsm
[23:00] <cassio> escott, i can't seem to find it
[23:00] <typhoon> rcmaehl, you are going to have to read the manual I'm afraid. You can start by maybe using KDE if you want a "start menu" and a taskbar at the bottom. Or you could move the panels around
[23:00] <cassio> escott, Ive looked in expo and desktop wall
[23:00] <celly> tudo bem
[23:00] <jdahm> escott: ok trying again...
[23:00] <rcmaehl> typhoon: you can't use kde on a netbook man, you just can'y
[23:00] <ivo__> i have 2 hard drives, but icant paste files to emty one
[23:00] <rcmaehl> can't*
[23:00] <sfdsafdsafdsa> Today I was trying Natty so ..Do you think Natty 11.04 (Unity) will be the Vista phase of Ubuntu ? I mean Vista as in Windows Vista
[23:00] <Samsagax> cassio: just right click on the switcher > preferences
[23:00] <Galvatron> abys: For nVidia best download the .run file from their website to your homedirectory, then Alt + Ctrl + F1 --> sudo service gdm stop --> sudo sh ./NVIDIA-Linux_x86-270.41.06.run When the installer is sone, just restart X.
[23:00] <leagris> could not get <super>+<button4-5> to zoom-in-out in compiz ezoom while using Unity
[23:01] <rcmaehl> sfdsafdsafdsa: yes
[23:01] <thanos> escott, http://paste.ubuntu.com/600475/
[23:01] <Samsagax> 45
[23:01] <fatbrain_t> zvacet: thanks, I'll try that.
[23:01] <cassio> Samsagax, right click on the switcher doesnt bring up any options in the launcher
[23:01] <undead> how do i can paste date and time in logfile,  example "time >> logfile.log"
[23:01] <Galvatron> abys: To remove it just use "./NVIDIA-Linux_x86-270.41.06.run --uninstall" instead.
[23:01] <zvacet> fatbrain_t:  np
[23:01] <leagris> Unity loaded a huge band of icons to the left but that many and no labels is quite useless
[23:01] <escott> thanos, you need to mkdir that mountpoint first
[23:01] <Samsagax> cassio: U mean in unity? you just can't
[23:01] <zombie__> libreoffice vs open office?
[23:02] <abys> Galvatron this is durring the upgrade i'm still in 10.10
[23:02] <Monotoko> ...does anyone know how to get multiple terminals..?!
[23:02] <Monotoko> in natty
[23:02] <cassio> Samsagax, yes, Im using 11.04. there's no way to change the 2x2 grid to a 1x4?
[23:02] <FreeTheBee> is there any configuration possible besides the stuff in the ccsm unity plugin?
[23:02] <coz_> Monotoko,   keep opening multiple instances ?
[23:02] <FreeTheBee> like the size of the dash
[23:02] <slackin> <3 ;>
[23:02] <joepa> I'm trying to pin an application to the system tray in unity, but when I logout and log back in, the application disappears from the system tray
[23:02] <leagris> missing autoloading of sound modules snd-hda-intel, snd-ac97-codec, snd-pcm. Has to load them manually and restart pulseaudio after login-in
[23:02] <joepa> any ideas what's going wrong?
[23:02] <nadien> firefox menu button is missing on ubuntu natty D:
[23:03] <celly> oi
[23:03] <typhoon> rcmaehl: assuming you have gnome classic?
[23:03] <zombie__> R click check "keep in launcher"
[23:03] <coz_> Monotoko,  I am on natty now with 4 terminals opened... just open a new one and another instance will show up
[23:03] <leagris> gnome-volume-control crash whenever I engage a speaker test
[23:03] <rcmaehl> typhoon: idk unity just crashed and I can't reload it
[23:03] <Samsagax> cassio: I'm using natty too, got another problem with i386 programs, but in Gnome (Classic ubuntu) you can change the 2x2 to 1x4 grid
[23:03] <escott> zombie__, libreoffice open office is dead
[23:03] <mfilipe> anyone knows how I find out if my ssd supports TRIM?
[23:04] <zookalicious> nadien: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html
[23:04] <rcmaehl> typhoon: the upgrade screwed up my shortcuts
[23:04] <Leprikonas> to open multiple terminals click the terminal icon with the middle mouse button
[23:04] <Samsagax> cassio: my advice: don't use unity
[23:04] <zookalicious> nadien: scroll to the section about the firefox menu button
[23:04] <cassio> Samsagax, yup, I know in the old version it worked. strange you can't change it in unity
[23:04] <Galvatron> abys: It will be fastest to just download the 11.04 .iso
[23:04] <coz_> Leprikonas, ah I completely forgot about middle click :)
[23:04] <cassio> Samsagax, I like the screen space gain in unity. but it seems to be a little crippled as of yet
[23:04] <leagris> compiz ezoom mouse tracking default to an insane 40ms giving sloppy zoom mouvments
[23:04] <phoenixsampras> can i UPGRADE using the ISO? im on 10.10
[23:04] <Samsagax> cassio: in unity you can't change almost nothing
[23:04] <typhoon> rcmaehl: Your day is getting better and better lol. I would roll back to 10.04. I'm not upgrading for a while yet because unity is *cough* unstable :-)
[23:04] <leagris> compiz ezoom default to no zoom shortcuts
[23:05] <jibadeeha> cassio, http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=150768
[23:05] <Samsagax> cassio: but is just my oppinion
[23:05] <ChronicSyncope> oh man the upgrade is going so slow.  Is it just because everyone is connected?
[23:05] <Galvatron> abys:Installing it from a scratch will be 2-3x faster.
[23:05] <abys> Galvatron: snif, I was wishing to not reinstall from scratch!! :'(
[23:05] <stefg> !clone
[23:05] <abys> Galvatron: All my programs and configs for couple of years :p
[23:06] <zvacet> phoenixsampras: use alternate cd iso and you will can
[23:06] <abys> Galvatron backing up my banshee musicdatabase and all applications will be a pain
[23:06] <nadien> zookalicious, how to enter addons mannager without the menu button?
[23:07] <aguitel> how remove all gnome stuff in natty?
[23:07] <Galvatron> abys: Do you have just one partition for system and /home + data?
[23:07] <zookalicious> nadien: it will be in the panel if you are using Unity
[23:07] <zvacet> abys: if you use above command you will have to install all packages again
[23:07] <abys> Galvatron yep
[23:07] <ivo__> hel please
[23:08] <leagris> I'll give Debian testing a try tomorrow, too much problems with Natty
[23:08] <zvacet> abys: make separate home
[23:08] <ivo__> help
[23:08] <Samsagax> Need some help: can't install a i386 application on my 64bit ubuntu natty
[23:08] <Captainkrtek> I use unity
[23:08] <stefg> !info ia32-libs
[23:08] <nadien> zookalicious, i can see only the tabs, and the page content only
[23:08] <Galvatron> I truly admire yourcourage, trying to install a freash and potentially problematic system on such setup.
[23:08] <jibadeeha> cassio, "Launch CCSM yet again, and select General Options from the category 'General'. Select the tab 'Desktop Size' and choose the values you want. Simple as that."
[23:08] <Samsagax> stefg: got it, but just won't install
[23:08] <sfdsafdsafdsa> Today I was trying Natty so ..Do you think Natty 11.04 (Unity) will be the Vista phase of Ubuntu ? I mean Vista as in Windows Vista
[23:08] <Logan_> !ot | sfdsafdsafdsa
[23:09] <Galvatron> abys: Do NOT touch Natty unless you make a separate partition for the main system.
[23:09] <stefg> Samsagax: get 'wrong architecture'? use "the force"!
[23:09] <jibadeeha> sfdsafdsafdsa, ubuntu 11.04 is the Win7 stage - Vista indeed
[23:09] <abys> is it hard to migrate the home drive?
[23:09] <cassio> jibadeeha, thanks. that did the trick
[23:09] <jibadeeha> cassio, no worries
[23:10] <ninjai> tricky question: I'm using "ssh user@server.com "ls $MYVARIABLE", where $MYVARIABLE is set in the user profile.  This never works unless I log in instead of issuing only the command at the end.  Why? Is there  a workaround?
[23:10] <claw>  after updating to natty i cant install broadcom wlan driver : jockey.log http://tinyurl.com/6bvscku
[23:10] <zookalicious> nadien: If you are using Unity, then the menu option should be in the panel (the very top of the screen), otherwise I don't know what to tell you.
[23:10] <Samsagax> stefg: done that, it says i need some dependencies, i installed them and got the same message again
[23:10] <Galvatron> abys: No. Download Gparted LiveCD and create an 8192MB ext4 partition. That's all.
[23:10] <nadien> zookalicious, what is unity, im on live cd ubuntu
[23:10] <mleger> hey, is anyone here using Ubuntu 11.04 on Parallels? Can't get Parallels tools to install. Any help will be appreciated!
[23:10] <escott> ninjai, because you aren't getting a login shell
[23:10] <Samsagax> stefg: won't install even with force-all
[23:11] <abys> 8GB for / and rest for /home?
[23:11] <zookalicious> nadien: Unity is the desktop environment that is default in Ubuntu version 11.04
[23:11] <Galvatron> Then, during the installation just choose the manual partation setup and use the 8GB one as "/" mount point", and the second one as "/home" mount point (obviously do NOT mark /home for formatting).
[23:11] <jon_athon> how do I change the startup sound?
[23:11] <phoenixsampras> zvacet: what alternative ISO? i have the 11.04 ISO, but i just want to upgrade
[23:12] <aguitel> how remove all gnome stuff in natty?
[23:12] <nadien> zookalicious, f**k, now ubuntu is like mac os x
[23:12] <abys> would be great and easy if I had space available on my HD :/
[23:12] <Samsagax> aguitel: you shouldn't if you use unity
[23:12] <abys> have to make space no choice
[23:12] <skulltip> no, mac is like linux
[23:12] <escott> ninjafish, man ssh | grep login  If command is specified, it is executed on the remote host instead of a login shell.
[23:13] <coz_> aguitel,   what is it you dont want specifically?
[23:13] <aguitel> Samsagax, i will install gnome-core
[23:13] <zookalicious> nadien: Unity is the default desktop environment, however if you do not like it, select Ubuntu Classic Desktop at the login screen
[23:13] <typhoon> no unity is like mac
[23:13] <typhoon> linux is just the kernel
[23:13] <aguitel> coz_, install gnome-core only
[23:13] <escott> ninjafish, meant for ninjai
[23:13] <nadien> skulltip, but ubuntu ubuntu (graphic interface) copies mac
[23:13] <skulltip> what's wrong with that tyhpoon, there's a reason macs are expensive besides greedy executives
[23:14] <skulltip> and windows 9 copies chrome, then years later buys the patents and tries to stiffle competition
[23:14] <escott> ninjai, instead of ssh "ls $MYVARIABLE" do ssh "/bin/bash --login \"ls $MYVARIABLE\""
[23:14] <rcmaehl_fallback> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! SO many error messages! I thought 11.04 was stable
[23:14] <typhoon> skulltip: I was correcting you, not comparing the 2
[23:14] <Samsagax> no one can help me?
[23:14]  * macs installs ubuntu 11.04 :D
[23:14] <zookalicious> skulltip-  I think he was just picking at the Linux != full OS point
[23:14] <rcmaehl_fallback> macs: no
[23:14] <zvacet> phoenixsampras:  I don´ think you can upgrade with desktop cd maybe something is changes but that is how is use to be
[23:14] <rcmaehl_fallback> macs: run
[23:14] <macs> whai?
[23:14] <skulltip> :) i dont mind great ideas being shared, just dont go patent trolling
[23:14] <coz_> aguitel,  not sure how much left  you will have with just core,,, I dont have a good answer for you,, its likely Unity will break if you do this..however,, you could go to gimpnet server and the #gnome  main channel and ask
[23:14] <phoenixsampras> Why 11.04 is so bugged? How to DOWNGRADE?
[23:15] <escott> phoenixsampras, you cant
[23:15] <zvacet> abys:  read http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[23:15] <zookalicious> zvacet-  you can upgrade from CD now
[23:15] <DGM> ubuntu 11 64 bit hangs on installing ubiquity (could not find module nvidia and more of those), clean install.. couldn't find any bugs that completely describe the problem. Any ideas?
[23:15] <zvacet> abys:  or http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-create-a-separate-home-partition-in-ubuntu.html
[23:15] <Samsagax> DGM: your machine?
[23:15] <happyface> DGM, hangs where?
[23:15] <Galvatron> skulltip: Mac is Mac, and it is Linux that copies its features.
[23:15] <abys> cheers man, have a look at it
[23:16] <zookalicious> Galvatron-  All OS' copy other OS'
[23:16] <DGM> happyface: while installing ubiquity it just spams with could not found module and then just hangs
[23:16] <zvacet> phoenixsampras:  reinstall 10.10
[23:16] <skulltip> that being said, i'm still on 10.10
[23:16] <zookalicious> Galvatron-  In different ways. It's healthy competition.
[23:16] <rcmaehl_fallback> ubuntu 11.04, every time you change a compiz setting unity crashes
[23:16] <aguitel> coz_, thispage is usefull but no natty answer till now about my question ,http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[23:16] <pas> I have install ubuntu 11.04 - new istanlation with cable internet... now don't run the wi-fi
[23:16] <DGM> Samsagax: amd phenom 2 x6 1090T, 4 gb ram, nvidia gtx 295
[23:16] <zvacet> zookalicious: I didn´t see that option during install can you point me to the link
[23:16] <Galvatron> My Ubu 10.10 (GNOME) is modified to be a Win/Mac hybrid.
[23:16] <Samsagax> DGM: then is not an hybrid graphics problem
[23:17] <rcmaehl_fallback> rcmaehl: gtfo
[23:17] <compdoc> I notice in a fresh install of natty, that services like acpid and irqbalance are not set to run. Are these not needed anymore? I intend to use the box as a qemu-KVM server
[23:17] <phoenixsampras> 11.04 looks like a ripped version of MACOSx
[23:17] <zookalicious> zvacet-  one second
[23:17] <DGM> Samsagax: it complains about more modules then just nvidia.. it's almost like it can't find any at all
[23:17] <nb72> Am I the only one who noticed quicken listed on the ubuntu website? Is that now available in the software center?
[23:17] <skulltip> ubuntu is smart for wanting to spread to devices they can profit from, good for them
[23:17] <acicula> !offtopic
[23:17] <Samsagax> DGM: blacklist nouveau
[23:17] <coz_> phoenixsampras,  i couldnt agree more ,, however  "there it is "  :)
[23:18] <kk9822> hi
[23:18] <skulltip> try gnome-classic on a pad
[23:18] <acicula> compdoc: you mean the kernel services?
[23:18] <DGM> Samsagax: after waiting for ages on the setup i desided to look at why it was stopping.. and it was stuck on that missing module line while installing "ubiquity"
[23:18] <Samsagax> DGM: and check the xorg.conf
[23:18] <kk9822> i just upgraded my ubuntu from 10.1 to 11.04
[23:18] <phoenixsampras> it is like... MACOSX for the poor man
[23:18] <werever> hi!, I just upgraded from ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04, and now my pc cant start...I only see a command line with "grub rescue >"....any ideas how to fix grub? :( :( :(
[23:18] <zvacet> Galvatron : mac is bsd based very originall don´t you think
[23:18] <DGM> Samsagax: i'm still in the setup though... it hasnt even fully installed yet
[23:18] <acicula> phoenixsampras: can you frame that as a support question
[23:18] <skulltip> i'll have to close my mouth until i can upgrade
[23:18] <pas> I have install ubuntu 11.04 - new istanlation with cable internet... now don't run the wi-fi .. how i doing?
[23:18] <kk9822> the screen is blank
[23:18] <entity> just upgraded to 11.04 via update-manager -d. after restart, i get "Ubuntu 10.10 The disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present..." how to fix? :\
[23:18] <kk9822> why
[23:18] <TerryBook> Natty upgrade complete.  so....how do I configure this sidebar thing?
[23:18] <compdoc> acicula, well, I'm using Boot-up manager, and its the services that start at boot
[23:19] <zvacet> zookalicious:ok
[23:19] <Galvatron> phoenixsampras: Unity looks this way because it was designed for tablets and netbooks and it's much different from OSX interface.
[23:19] <fatbrain_t> zvacet: had installed the graphics drivers incorrectly, reinstalled and now Unity works. Cheers!
[23:19] <claw>  after updating to natty i cant install broadcom wlan driver : jockey.log http://tinyurl.com/6bvscku
[23:19] <Samsagax> DGM: ohh.. i think you should install with no drivers and then install the drivers, is safer that way
[23:19] <coz_> phoenixsampras,  there has been a slight leaning towards mac like  look ,, buttons on the left and now global menu.. I am not sure what the long term vision for ubuntu is,, I just know did not get it right  but  there are people who think they did so ,, as I said   "there it is "
[23:19] <zvacet> fatbrain_t: enjoy your ubuntu  :)
[23:19] <stefg> TerryBook: you don't :-) options are considered to be too confusing
[23:19] <Osmodivs> !hardware
[23:19] <typhoon> samsagax: This is linux not windows :-)
[23:19] <Samsagax> DGM: im wondering why the Xorg Propietary drivers testing stopped ad week 3
[23:20] <acicula> compdoc: err im not familiar with boot-up manager. the services you mentioned sound familiar but are you experiencing an actual problem or just wondering why they are not appearing anymore?
[23:20] <Samsagax> typhoon: I know but natty is still not as stable as it should be
[23:20] <Osmodivs> typhoon, Linux uses drivers as well
[23:20] <DGM> Samsagax: but all i did was insert the usb stick, picked what partition it should all go to, and hit install.. and then poof. it even wrecked my grub but i managed to get that back up through a live cd
[23:20] <zookalicious> zvacet-  http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8KRrr0qlSxU/Tbf-5a1QoiI/AAAAAAAAB_A/YUG-iHhCXa8/s1600/Screenshot-1.png
[23:21] <abys> zvacet crazy idea, what do you think about remapping /home on a USB HD, rezise disk and remap to the new partition? possible or stupid?
[23:21] <typhoon> osmodivs: I know, I still have to hack in some 2d sis drivers for my old laptop. Seems I have had a sense of humour failure or something
[23:21] <reeceb> Hey guys, I'm trying to connect a small board to the internet via a wlan1 connection, but can't get any DHCP offers. ideas?
[23:21] <reeceb> sorry, the small board runs ubuntu.
[23:21] <pas> Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driver don't run
[23:21] <Samsagax> DGM: strange
[23:22] <Nickftw_> .
[23:23] <typhoon> night guys. Good luck with Natty
[23:23] <Samsagax> DGM: did you check the "format" option in the / mount?
[23:23] <DGM> Samsagax: yep ofc
[23:23] <MishaS> ckserv identify no!way
[23:23] <zookalicious> zvacet: I assume if the disk can't read your current installation for whatever reason then you will not see the option on the screen I sent you.
[23:23] <DGM> Samsagax: i have a /, a 4 gb swap and some ntfs'es for windows
[23:23] <aguitel> coz_, thispage is usefull but no natty answer till now about my question ,http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[23:24] <tomekh> hi. i have just installed xubuntu 11.04. is there a way to apt-get only libreoffice writer and calc? (yeah, i'd like to have an minimal libreoffice installation in my xubuntu environment)
[23:24] <nb72> Can anybody confirm that quicken is now available in the software center?
[23:24] <Samsagax> DGM: just as me, i don't know what is happening to you. Try to install again witout networ
[23:24] <zvacet> zookalicious: maybe because it is multiboot
[23:24] <ismaell> BEWARE, broken brcm80211 *confirmed*
[23:24] <mickster04> tomekh: try tab complete and see if it shows you?
[23:24] <mickster04> !tab | tomekh
[23:25] <DGM> Samsagax: funny thing is, when i look through bug reports, they say its either fixed last month, or say they're a duplicate of a bug that looks nothing like what is described xD
[23:25] <zookalicious> zvacet: that would be likely.
[23:25] <Samsagax> anyone can help me about i386 apps in amd64 architecture
[23:25] <Samsagax> ?
[23:25] <ismaell> farewell!
[23:25] <zookalicious> zvacet-  I haven't touched a 11.04 CD yet so I wouldn't know
[23:25] <zvacet> abys: Idon´t know I never did it
[23:25] <tomekh> mickster04: ?
[23:25] <DGM> Samsagax: you could set up a 32 chroot, that worked fine for me :)
[23:25] <Samsagax> DGM: as i've said, natty is not as stable as it should be
[23:25] <abys> sound like challenge :)
[23:25] <DGM> bit*
[23:25] <zvacet> zookalicious: so it works if you have only ubuntu?
[23:26] <Samsagax> DGM: tried that... didn't work
[23:26] <TerryBook> stefg:  options are a requirement for me to use something.  lack of options = stress, annoyance, irritation, and frustration :P
[23:26] <zookalicious> zvacet-  I'm not sure, I haven't tried it, but I could see that being a problem.
[23:26] <DGM> Samsagax: ye, disappointing :) oh well. I guess i'll use windows for a while hehe
[23:26] <Samsagax> DGM: use maverick, it is good as it should be
[23:26] <DGM> Samsagax: missing lib or something? What's the error it gives?
[23:27] <zvacet> zookalicious : possibly because I saw about that option on net but I didn´t so it during install
[23:27] <wazzup> is it possible to install ubuntu on a usb stick ???
[23:27] <d3vlin> the natty installer had a very nice fullscreen plymouth ubuntu boot/quit logo.. but after install at boot only a purple rectangle and at shutdown the ubuntu logo in low res. How can I fix this?
[23:27] <mickster04> tomekh: when you tyoe in sudo apt-get install op<tab> and it will show you a list of options
[23:27] <Samsagax> DGM: gives an error about missing dependencies, i have the dependencies installed, but it just keeps telling me that i dont
[23:27] <zvacet> wazzup.yes
[23:27] <DGM> wazzup: from or on?
[23:27] <habriel> how are you all someone have any course from nagios can than help me please
[23:27] <wazzup> on
[23:27] <tomekh> mickster04: nope, it will not :)
[23:27] <mickster04> tomekh: why not?
[23:27] <nb72> wazzup, it is, I'm pretty sure instructions are on ubuntu.com
[23:27] <DGM> Samsagax: hm did you install those deps in your chroot though?
[23:27] <Galvatron> aguitel: sudo apt-get synaptic && gksu synaptic will be the easiest way.
[23:28] <wazzup> nb72 : i will try to find it :)
[23:28] <Samsagax> DGM: how can i know for sure?
[23:28] <stefg> TerryBook: there is ccsm which is a somwhat hackish way to do some configuartion... but the general idea is: take ir or leave it (and facing the possibilty that more users don't take, but leave)
[23:28] <Galvatron> tomekh: sudo apt-get synaptic && gksu synaptic will be the easiest way.
[23:28] <zvacet> wazzup:  http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[23:28] <Galvatron> Mybad
[23:28] <bittyx-laptop> i'm downloading 11.04 right now, and i've taken notice that unity is used by default. is it easy to switch back to the regular gnome desktop instead?
[23:28] <zookalicious> bittyx-laptop-  yup
[23:28] <mickster04> !unity
[23:28] <arand> bittyx-laptop: Yes, select classic at login.
[23:28] <Samsagax> DGM: funny thing is i had this app installed on averick w/o anything else than ia32-libs
[23:28] <Galvatron> bittyx-laptop: Log out and choose "Ubuntu Classic"
[23:28] <habriel> how are you all someone have any course from nagios
[23:29] <TerryBook> bittyx-laptop:  yeah, on the login screen
[23:29] <wazzup> zvacet : that is too isntall from a usb drive :p not on a usb drive
[23:29] <bittyx-laptop> woot, so many answers. thanks guys, but as i've already said, i'm downloading at the moment, so i haven't had a chance to try it out myself yet. just asking so i would know what to expect. thanks again!
[23:30] <DGM> Samsagax: ah ok, ye i didnt have any problems running 32 bit stuff either, but i had to compile 32 bit libs at some point so i made a 32 bit chroot for that following this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 . You can just use apt in there. It's a bit of a hassle to switch to that chroot to run whatever you need to though.. and it takes up a lotta space too
[23:30] <zookalicious> bittyx-laptop-  no problem. Give Unity a try though before returning to Gnome-Classic. It's not for everyone yet, but you might like it.
[23:30] <nb72> wazzup, I was thinking from, not on.  You can run it like a live CD from the stick, but I'm not sure if you can fully run it from a stick.
[23:30] <SpaceBass> have a server box that has a failed upgrade to 11.04 - trying to recover using a recovery CD. I did a series of apt-get -f and dpkg --configure -a .... that made some progress, however it appears to have reached the end. dpgk --configure -a keeps failing
[23:30] <SpaceBass> can I force a re-application of the upgrade?
[23:30] <Soothsayer> if I cancel the ubuntu upgrade to 11 from within 10.10, can I resume it later?
[23:30] <jrib> SpaceBass: you need to be more specific as to how it is failing (pastebin)
[23:30] <Samsagax> DGM: is like having a second OS
[23:30] <Soothsayer> its too slow at the moment.
[23:31] <DGM> Samsagax: hehe ye
[23:31] <MotherMGA> So I just upgraded to ubuntu 11.04 and it doesn't do 3d accelleration?
[23:31] <zookalicious> Soothsayer-  I don't beleive so
[23:31] <jrib> Soothsayer: if it's only at the download stage, it's ok
[23:31] <bittyx-laptop> also, my download is going at a snail-like ~25KBps (even though i have a 1.5Mbit connection, so i should have more like ~150KBps) - i assume this is because the servers are overloaded at the moment?
[23:31] <SpaceBass> jrib, can't paste bin - no ssh, using recovery CD
[23:31] <Drumm96> I was doing a system upgrade, and at about 99% it crashed. Now on normal boot I'm having issues, but I can boot in failsafe mode.
[23:31] <commodore64th> I seem to have a problem; I just installed compiz-config, used it, and after changing some options, the taskbar and launcher are gone. I can't even open the start menu with the meta key.
[23:31] <jrib> SpaceBass: you don't have internet on the machine?
[23:31] <DGM> Samsagax: i guess it says 32 bit recommended for a reason :P
[23:31] <MotherMGA> it says I have the ati drivers running, but everything renders slower and jerkier than 10.10.
[23:31] <Soothsayer> jrib: but I will lose everything I've downloaded so far right? :-(
[23:31] <jrib> Soothsayer: no
[23:31] <Vilemaxim> join /virtualbox
[23:31] <SpaceBass> jrib, in a console, nothing use. no X
[23:32] <commodore64th> me?
[23:32] <wazzup> nb72 > im trying to install it on a usb drive : i know that live CD is possible but that way i cnat save anything :p
[23:32] <habriel> how are you all someone have any course from nagios
[23:32] <SpaceBass> jrib, I can bring up networking via the recovery CD, but still no browser
[23:32] <Soothsayer> jrib: oh, that's nice then.. its in the "Getting new packages" page.. its already fetched some 150 packages.
[23:32] <DGM> i'm just gonna go to bed.. when i wake up tomorrow all the problems will be solved.. probably.. maybe.. hopefully
[23:32] <DGM> nite
[23:33] <zorlem> habriel, what's up?
[23:33] <zvacet> wazzup: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USB%20Installation%20Media
[23:33] <jdahm> escott: it works!
[23:33] <gogeta> hey does btrfs still need a ext4 boot
[23:33] <Galvatron> Drumm96: In terminal type: sudo dpkg --configure -a - it will finish yhe uncomplete job.
[23:33] <jdahm> escott: thanks for all your help!
[23:33] <escott> jdahm, excellent
[23:33] <escott> jdahm, so it was a stray mbr?
[23:33] <jdahm> escott: also: I very much like the new interface.  I don't know why people are complaining
[23:33] <jdahm> escott: I think so
[23:33] <Drumm96> Galvatron, Thankyou. Got many similar issues tonight?
[23:33] <diegoviola> hi
[23:33] <KMFrog> unity not working in virtualbox?
[23:33] <Preferably_> unity seems to insist that i should use the classic theme
[23:33] <jdahm> escott: you were on the ball with your suggestion
[23:33] <escott> jdahm, well now you have plenty of backup mbrs if sda goes out
[23:34] <diegoviola> Does Ubuntu 11.04 now use Wayland instead of X?
[23:34] <gogeta> jdahm: nooo please dont say lies like that
[23:34] <Preferably_> the default theme flashes quickly and changes to the classic variant
[23:34] <Drumm96> Galvatron, I'll try a reboot. Hope it works!
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[23:34] <bellcolt> can someone help me restore 11.04?  just upgraded the driver to nvidia-current and gdm does not start during boot
[23:34] <gogeta> diegoviola: no
[23:34] <zetheroo> any way to get the buttons in the launcher to have a hover effect?
[23:34] <Soothsayer> jdahm: baa.. feels kinda kiddy (the interface)
[23:34] <diegoviola> gogeta: when it will use Wayland please?
[23:34] <zookalicious> KMFrog-  Unity works in the newest version of Virtualbox, but not the version from the Ubuntu repository
[23:34] <commodore64th> does anyone know how to start the terminal without using the launcher or the start menu?
[23:34] <gogeta> diegoviola: 11.10
[23:34] <Soothsayer> stuff is too big in the left bar.. can that be reduced though ?
[23:34] <diegoviola> gogeta: nice! :D
[23:34] <gogeta> diegoviola: maybe
[23:34] <jdahm> gogeta: I like the interface.  Linux needs better interfaces.  This is one organizations take on it
[23:34] <wazzup> zvacet : it seems valid i will try it :)
[23:34] <dugger5688> KMFrog: Update to Vbox 4.x (from the oracle .deb) and install virtualbox-ose-X11 (inside the guest OS)
[23:34] <gogeta> diegoviola: not set in stone yet
[23:34] <diegoviola> gogeta: fingers crossed
[23:35] <jrib> SpaceBass: try the following: COMMAND | nc ssh.jrib.net 12345
[23:35] <mnoyce> How do I report a bug in the Natty installer? I have Launchpad account, but when I click on Report a Bug, I just get taken to another web page about reporting bugs...
[23:35] <zvacet> wazzup:  ;)
[23:35] <jdahm> gogeta: beats the hell out of gnome3
[23:35] <rcmaehl_rant> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html <- the hidden files tutorial was very helpful
[23:35] <rafii> MotherMGA: Turn off 'sync to vblank' option from OpenGL section in Compiz config settings manager - no more laggy interface on ATI fglrx drivers
[23:35] <Pilif12p> !update
[23:35] <habriel> zorlem: i am setting  nagios and haven't much experience i'd like find any course from nagio
[23:35] <jrib> SpaceBass: you probably want to redirect stderr too.  Or just create a file you want to pastebin and send that to ssh.jrib.net on port 12345
[23:35] <gogeta> jdahm: i run kde now soo you can see my thoughts on both of them
[23:36] <entity> just upgraded to 11.04 via update-manager -d. after restart, i get "Ubuntu 10.10 The disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present..." how to fix? :\
[23:36] <Cube``> how to do the dist-upgrade from commandline?
[23:36] <zorlem> habriel, course? there are a few decent books and a lot of info on the net
[23:36] <jrib> !upgrade | Cube``
[23:36] <KMFrog> dugger5688 i'm running vbox 4.0.6, i'll try updating guest addons
[23:36] <SpaceBass> thanks jrib - what did you do, proxy to pastebin? brb... server is in rack in other room
[23:36] <Pilif12p> Is b2 the same as "stable" ?
[23:36] <jrib> Cube``: follow the server instructions
[23:36] <zorlem> habriel, I'd guess you'll be able to find a course as well
[23:36] <jdahm> gogeta: at first I switched to KDE when gnome3 came out and gnome2 sucked, but KDE is worse than all these new interfaces (combined?) ha
[23:36] <zrogg> Howdi. I just upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04, and I'm left with a desktop with icons but no menus (guessing Unity didnt fire up properly) :/ Any suggestions ?
[23:36] <commodore64th> crap... alt-tab doesn't work
[23:36] <rcmaehl_rant> I get warning telling me that I'm not on 11.04 and that my current version is 11.04
[23:36] <tomasz> ubuntu one have bug in tekst
[23:36] <Cube``> jrib: ?
[23:36] <Cube``> jrib: ah thanks!
[23:36] <jrib> SpaceBass: yeah I have an old script I wrote that will listen and pastebin
[23:36] <gogeta> jdeslaur_: not 4.6 yea i hated kde 3 man it was junk
[23:37] <jrib> SpaceBass: it's mostly useless nowadays because of things like pastebinit but you can't install pastebinit easily because your packaging system is broken
[23:37] <zetheroo> I dunno about the rest of you but I REALLY have to be able to customise the main menu and launcher bar ... REALLY!!!
[23:37] <SpaceBass> jrib, talk about valuable now thought... brb
[23:37] <zookalicious> zrogg-  do you mean the menus normally in the top left?
[23:37] <Soothsayer> when I dual boot between windows and ubuntu, the mac address is the same on both right? My ISP's login client uses my mac-address.
[23:38] <zorlem> Soothsayer, yes
[23:38] <george_> Good evening. I've tried to upgrade my distro, but there were some troubles. I'm currently stucked, due to the command sudo apt-get dist-upgrade results in the following http://pastie.org/1845252. Could someone help me to solve that? Thanks.
[23:38] <skulltip> looking at screenshots, how in any way does it copy a mac??!?
[23:38] <jrib> SpaceBass: in the meantime I need to grab some food.  I'll be back in 10.  I may have 12345 blocked on the router.  If so, I'll take care of that when I return :)
[23:38] <zorlem> Soothsayer, if you haven't changed it in one of the OSes of course
[23:38] <zrogg> zookalicious: I have never tried or seen Unity before, so I have no idea what it is suppose to look like. But atm I'm only seeing a desktop wallpaper and my usual icons :)
[23:38] <zvacet> zrogg: it is first  day but I think unity comes that way just icons on the left	
[23:38] <zookalicious> zrogg - The new desktop for Ubuntu 11.04 looks fairly different from 10.10
[23:38] <Samsagax> is there a way to get ANY applet working in unity?
[23:38] <ohsix> zetheroo: if you want the panels (and their customization) back, log in with the classic session
[23:38] <TerryBook> ooh, I *can* configure the sidebar!
[23:39] <entity> anyone know how to fix root filesystem not mounting?
[23:39] <zookalicious> zrogg-  Try clicking the Ubuntu logo in the top left, should bring up the Dash
[23:39] <KMFrog> dugger5688 updating guest additions did the trick, thanks :]
[23:39] <zetheroo> ohsix:  no, that is not a solution ... people keep on saying that :(
[23:39] <step21> Samsagax, weather at top or so works ... webupd8.org ...
[23:39] <mnoyce> Nevermind... I've figured it out...
[23:39] <dugger5688> KMFrog: Glad to hear it, have fun!
[23:39] <ohsix> zetheroo: then you get what you get
[23:39] <pumeust> hello which software do you recommend for adobe flash?
[23:39] <ohsix> Samsagax: same for you :]
[23:39] <zrogg> zookalicious: hm, I don't have an icon there I'm afraid :/
[23:39] <step21> entity, check for errors?
[23:39] <zetheroo> also just noticed that the top panel is no longer editable ... why can't I add my menu applet back!?
[23:40] <jdahm> escott: for fun: http://pastie.org/1845281
[23:40] <zvacet> zrogg: you can see how it look here http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/features
[23:40] <entity> step21: how the filesystem won't mount.
[23:40] <zookalicious> zrogg - there is a guide here http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/natty/ if your desktop doesn't have the things mentioned in this guide then there might be a problem
[23:40] <zetheroo> ohsix: yep, and it seems Ubuntu us heading towards lockdown  .... like MS and Mac :P
[23:40] <usr13> pumeust: sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[23:40] <TerryBook> hmm.  xchat no longer shows in the system tray despite having the option set
[23:40] <yofel> pumeust: the 'flashplugin-installer' provides the flash player
[23:40] <step21> zetheroo, because it's a whole new program ... if you need your menu you have to use gnome afaik
[23:41] <entity> step21: i get "Ubuntu 10.10 The disk drive for / is not ready yet or not present..." upon boot. after that it says the same thing about /tmp
[23:41] <MarkSS> Where do I find the old application gnome list in Unity or something similar?
[23:41] <pumeust> thanks usr13  and yofel
[23:41] <zorlem> zetheroo, that's only for the basic users
[23:41] <jdahm> zetheroo: how so?
[23:41] <step21> zetheroo, i don't think so... then you couldn't switch what you always can on linux
[23:41] <zorlem> zetheroo, only the default experience
[23:41] <zetheroo> zorlem: what?
[23:41] <usr13> zorlem: As you can see, there are choices.
[23:41] <zorlem> zetheroo, nobody prevents you from running Gnome, or XFce
[23:41] <riclas> so... i upgraded to natty, and now i can't install fglrx
[23:42] <zorlem> zetheroo, or KDE
[23:42] <zetheroo> zorlem: great ....
[23:42] <riclas> or better, i can, but it doesn't boot :\
[23:42] <usr13> pumeust: As you can see, there are choices.
[23:42] <ohsix> zetheroo: you've been told your options, you disagree; apparently with how it used to be as well, not just hoe it is now
[23:42] <step21> entity, I would boot from livecd and check the disk from there (without mounting) did you do an upgrade or so right before?
[23:42] <riclas> anyone had a similar experience?
[23:42] <zrogg> zookalicious: yeah, my desktop doesn't look like that at all. It seems like I'm running my old gnome just without any menus, sidebars or anything :/ Would a screenie of my desktop help ?
[23:42] <zetheroo> zorlem: none of those are "Ubuntu"  - and that was my point!
[23:42] <zookalicious> zrogg - tried logging in and out? or restarting?
[23:43] <zetheroo> ohsix: excuse me? What are you on about?
[23:43] <yofel> zetheroo: point is that complaining *here* will change absolutely nothing, either raise your point to the ayatana team or remote participate on the ubuntu developer summit
[23:43] <zatan> hi again, is there anyway to stop automaticaly maximize windows on unity? as at the moment they maximize when i moving them by the nome-panel
[23:43] <zrogg> zookalicious: yup, doesn't seem to help
[23:43] <Drumm96> My dpkg --configure -a produced no output. On reboot, I am still presented with a flashing underline.
[23:43] <dugger5688> more people need to go the cd-upgrade route. :-( running package updates is painful right now.
[23:43] <Jway> after natty upgrade from lucid my network card says "link is not ready" in dmesg... I cannot enable it in any way, suggestions?
[23:43] <pumeust> usr13, i was installing flashplugin-installer with synaptics and it was gonna take like over 15 minutes and i thought something was wrong with that and maybe i should try something else
[23:43] <Jway> intel agn4965
[23:43] <step21> zetheroo, he's right, this is for support primarily
[23:43] <entity> step21: yes, I was running 10.10 and I upgraded with update-manager -d
[23:44] <zetheroo> ohsix: you don't find it at all frustrating that an completely un-configurable menu/panel/launcher are given in place of what was completely customisable!?
[23:44] <Lunar_Lamp> dugger5688: I've noticed that GB mirrors are very slow, but switching to a different geographic location improved things vastly. (for me, I just dropped the geograpy)
[23:44] <zetheroo> step21: so support ... ;)
[23:44] <step21> zetheroo, take it somewhere else plz ...
[23:44] <zorlem> zetheroo, $aptitude search ^xfce4$
[23:44] <zorlem> p   xfce4                                                                                            - Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment
[23:44] <usr13> pumeust: Well, with so many doing a distribution upgrade now installing from repos will be slow.
[23:44] <zorlem> this is plain Ubuntu
[23:44] <zookalicious> zrogg - thats odd
[23:45] <usr13> pumeust: They are all overloaded today.
[23:45] <zetheroo> zorlem: I do not WANT to run XFCE!!
[23:45] <zorlem> zetheroo, then don't
[23:45] <zookalicious> zrogg - Sorry I'm not too sure what to advise, I haven't started using 11.04 yet, I just know what it's supposed to look like
[23:45] <zorlem> zetheroo, it's just an example
[23:45] <Jway> tried modprobing iwlagn, rfkill, nothing makes the wireless work. Works fine in windows on same computer
[23:45] <zorlem> zetheroo, that what you're saying is not true - there is no lockdown
[23:45] <epkugelmass> The upgrade to natty seems to have broken nautilus. is this a known issue?
[23:46] <pumeust> usr13,  oh so thats all it was
[23:46] <zrogg> zookalicious: that's allright. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll keep chipping away at the problem.
[23:46] <escott> jdahm, thats a lot of ram
[23:46] <step21> entity, it's hard to tell what went wrong, did it mention any errors before reboot? otherwise try to boot from livecd or rescue mode and check the disk (it doesn't have to be mounted)
[23:46] <zvacet> riclas: no I installed it by click on applications and find it under system>additional hardware drivers
[23:46] <usr13> Jway: What wireless card do you have?
[23:46] <zookalicious> zrogg-  Best of luck
[23:46] <jrib> SpaceBass: back
[23:46] <Jway> usr13, intel agn4965
[23:46] <zetheroo> zorlem: to the extent that I want to configure - yes
[23:46] <step21> zetheroo, then what's wrong w normal gnome?
[23:46] <ohsix> zetheroo: you said you didn't want to use the classic session, which has panels and is the same as before
[23:47] <Osmodivs> The NickServ does NOT recognize my password!!
[23:47] <Drumm96> My dpkg --configure -a produced no output. On reboot, I am still presented with a flashing underline.
[23:47] <zetheroo> step21: 90% of the reason I upgraded in the first place was to get to use the new look .... why bother mmoving from 10.10!?
[23:47] <rcmaehl_rant> Why doesn't flash work in 11.04?
[23:47] <step21> Osmodivs, - #freenode
[23:47] <riclas> zvacet, i tried that... but it errors out :(
[23:47] <usr13> Jway: Well that one should work ok.  Is it turned off? Or has the network manager have it dissabled somehow?
[23:48] <Eathuz> Hey!
[23:48] <zetheroo> ohsix: absolutely correct ... as that is NOT a solution to the real issue ... that there is a lack of customisability HERE!
[23:48] <ohsix> zetheroo: why bother indeed, shouldn't you have asked yourself that before you did it?
[23:48] <skulltip> locked in? if developers would write BF4 for it like they do with the current pc platforms, it would be worth it
[23:48] <ohsix> zetheroo: that is desired, use what you like
[23:48] <george_> Anyone?
[23:48] <entity> step21: I selected the top ubuntu entry from the bootmenu, and the ubuntu loading screen came on like normal with the four dots animation, but instead of loading like normal, it displays this: "Ubuntu 10.10 The diskdrive for / is not ready yet or is not present [...]"
[23:48] <step21> zetheroo, oh so you upgraded and it doesn't work? I though you just didn't like/want it...
[23:48] <pumeust> rcmaehl_rant, i wondered if something was wrong with flash too but looks like i just needed to install it i'm doing that now
[23:48] <|Seth|> george_ what was your question
[23:48] <|Seth|> george_ I can't answer it but repeat it anyway
[23:48] <zetheroo> ohsix: Oh, I am sorry ... I did not get the memo from Canonical about that ...
[23:48] <rcmaehl_rant> pumeust: it will error out
[23:49] <Jway> usr13, actually it has been a problem since the last dist upgrade, I always had to right click the icon to enable the wireless and then it would connect. Now I have to rfkill to un-gray the "enable wireless" item in the right click menu but clicking it makes no networks show and dmesg still says link is not ready. Tried removing battery, holding power button for 30 seconds and booting up again,
[23:49] <Jway> same problem. Windows is fine.
[23:49] <entity> which automatically means it did not finish upgrading to 11.04
[23:49] <step21> entity, yes, but I meant before when you ran the upgrade
[23:49] <pumeust> rcmaehl_rant, oh i see i hope i dont run into that problem
[23:49] <george_> Seth: Good evening. I've tried to upgrade my distro, but there were some troubles. I'm currently stucked, due to the command sudo apt-get dist-upgrade results in the following http://pastie.org/1845252. Could someone help me to solve that? Thanks.
[23:49] <cdavis> Is Google Chrome working on Natty? I get an error when trying to install the .deb
[23:49] <zetheroo> step21: yes I upgraded ... and it all works ... afaik ... but it "working" is not the issue I suppose ...
[23:49] <Samsagax> cdavis: still there is a problem with 32bit libs
[23:49] <|Seth|> george_ yeah, no idea. when in doubt, google it
[23:50] <jiohdi> cdavis: did you try via the app store
[23:50] <epkugelmass> After upgrading from maverik to natty, nautilus is unusably slow. Using classic gnome. Any takers?
[23:50] <ohsix> zetheroo: you presume you would have? you're setting up a strawman you know; you could have provided useful input for months, but you're here now, when you can just use what you're familiar with
[23:50] <Eathuz> I got a question: I loaded Ubuntu 11 on a USB. It works fine when booting from it on my MacBook Pro, but I for some reason get "Boot Error" everytime I boot it on my ASUS P5N-D. Any ideas or suggestions? I've googled it and I can't seem to find a solution.
[23:50] <entity> step21: I wasn't here to see what would have went wrong with it. I'll try a disk check from live env and get back
[23:50] <|Seth|> george_ or repeat it a few times until someone smarter takes notice
[23:50] <cdavis> jiohdi: I didn't know it was in local repos, I will try
[23:50] <pumeust> wow i got 3 hours 57 minutes remaining to finish installing flash
[23:50] <george_> Seth: Sure... Thanks, anyway...
[23:50] <usr13> Jway:  You might try switching to wicd
[23:50] <cdavis> Samsagax: I need 64 bit version
[23:50] <goshawk> hi, do i have shortcuts in bashee from the desktop ? like i want to skip a song while browsing
[23:50] <jiohdi> cdavis: 32 bit will work just fine
[23:50] <jmweirick> Hi, i need help with grub on 11.04, any takers?
[23:50] <Jway> usr13, thanks I will try
[23:50] <usr13> Jway: sudo apt-get install wicd ; sudo apt-get remove network-manager
[23:50] <zetheroo> step21: the buttons in the launcher are too big, they need a hover feature and need to animate when clicked on ... stuff liek that ... plus the menu is making we work twice as hard to get to what I need ... more clicks etc ... not cool
[23:51] <jiohdi> cdavis: 32 will run on 64 but 64 will not run on 32
[23:51] <epkugelmass> Hi. Any word on why compiz-config won't fully import old configuration files, and why it wipes my config when upgrading?
[23:51] <Eathuz> I don't want to repeat my question, since it seems rude, but I'm kinda stuck and would really like some help :)
[23:51] <Jway> brb, reboot
[23:51] <uofm49426> can i do this in 10.10 http://www.ubuntugeek.com/intel-graphics-performance-guide-for-ubuntu-904-jaunty-users.html
[23:51] <usr13> !grub2 | jmweirick
[23:52] <bcurren> i have a partition that i'm consistently getting an EIO error. i there a tool that will help my diagnose the problem?
[23:52] <jrib> !helpme | Eathuz
[23:52] <jdahm> escott: I like it :)  It's for computational physics simulations
[23:52] <zetheroo> ohsix: I am sorry again ... I work 9-5 mon - fri .... don't have a whole lot of time to test software and all ... I just thought that with the past of Ubuntu (and Linux) being so pro-customisability that I would never find myself here
[23:52] <sfdsafdsafdsa> Today I was trying Natty so ..Do you think Natty 11.04 (Unity) will be the Vista phase of Ubuntu ? I mean Vista as in Windows Vista
[23:52] <syntaur> Is there any way to resume the upgrade process? My keyboard was on my ubuntu laptop here, and I forgot. I hit escape and the upgrade status window went away. I go back into the update manager and it says there's no updates or upgrade.
[23:52] <Eathuz> !repeat
[23:52] <ohsix> zetheroo: unfortunately you can't go back in time and communicate this
[23:52] <SpaceBass> jrib, thanks for the help so far! apparently one of the last runs of dpkg or apt-get broke something worse. Can't get a shell anymore. Going to reinstall base system. data is on raid anyway
[23:52] <pp7_> !repeat
[23:52] <Galerien> Hi ! I'm on ubuntu 11.04 Beta (1 or 2) and I want to install the new release, how can I do that ?
[23:53] <ohsix> zetheroo: well it's not "anti" either, idon't know why you are here
[23:53] <yofel> sfdsafdsafdsa: that's something for #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:53] <Galerien> please*
[23:53] <Drumm96> Tried update to 1104. System crash at about 99%. I have run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get autoremove, dpkg --configure -a. I am unable to boot into normal mode, when I do. I am greeted by a flashing underscore. I am currently in failsafe mode
[23:53] <pp7_> !attitude
[23:53] <Samsagax> Galerien: go to releases.ubuntu.com
[23:53] <jiohdi> Galerien: it will do it for you just do update and upgrade
[23:53] <zetheroo> ohsix: what is unfortunate is the lack of customisability ...
[23:53] <Eathuz> I got a question: I loaded Ubuntu 11 on a USB. It works fine when booting from it on my MacBook Pro, but I for some reason get "Boot Error" everytime I boot it on my ASUS P5N-D. Any ideas or suggestions? I've googled it and I can't seem to find a solution.
[23:53] <yofel> !final | Galerien
[23:53] <ohsix> zetheroo: you know even gnomes panel isn'e enough to sate a lot of people? i hope you understand it's all relative & the line you've drawn is just as arbitrary
[23:53] <jdahm> Drumm96: clean installs always work better than upgrades
[23:53] <Samsagax> Galerien: and use the bit torrent, others are just jammed
[23:53] <jdahm> Drumm96: if you upgrade, be used to having headaches
[23:54] <Drumm96> jdahm, headaches teach you new things. :)
[23:54] <zrogg> seems I fixed my no-menu-problem by running "compiz --replace"
[23:54] <yofel> jdahm: that's not the case usually, at least for me upgrades have always worked fine
[23:54] <ohsix> zetheroo: some would call that a good thing, myself included, but i run the machines for my family
[23:54] <zetheroo> ohsix: I came hoping that I just did not know enough and that someone knew how to edit this stuff ... I could not believe that it was completely locked-down ....
[23:54] <lexvegas> is there any difference in reliability between installing from the liveCD or using unetbootin and a USB drive?
[23:54] <Drumm96> jdahm, besides, this is my first issue in years.
[23:54] <Sylphid> hey all....having a problem with front panel audio, if i start audio it everything defaults to rear panel however if i run aplay /some/audio.wav and start another track durring the aplay it goes to the front panel, any tips on how to toggle between front and back panel only?
[23:54] <jdahm> Drumm96: yofel just from experience, I have had to fix way too many friends' upgraded installations
[23:54] <ohsix> zetheroo: it's not, it's just different, the options for the unity plugin & the rest of compiza are available in ccsm
[23:55] <nastjuid> supposedly apt provides libapt-pkg-libc6, but if I get the package and look inside, it's not there?
[23:55] <yakitori3> irc.cde.wtbts.net
[23:55] <yofel> jdahm: *if* update-manager messed up the upgrade, please file bugs about that, it shouldn't happen
[23:55] <zookalicious> I can also attest to having problems with direct upgrades.
[23:55] <ohsix> zetheroo: the "panel" is nearly vestigial now, it serves no purpose like it did in gnome proper
[23:55] <Galerien> ok, thanks all, so it seems I'm up to date, but I get the same crash has before (beta) when I boot (I don't know what it is, just that something is crashing and that's it), does someone know how to get rid of that (I can provide you with informations if you tell me how ;) )
[23:55] <zetheroo> ohsix: ok ... why are they in a 3rd-party app? ...
[23:55] <rafii> my today upgrade maverick->natty was fine :D no problem :)
[23:55] <zetheroo> ohsix: where do I place my weather applet?
[23:55] <jdahm> yofel: most of the time it's because GPG keys were somehow deleted for PPA's
[23:56] <ohsix> zetheroo: isn't that that choice you were just talking about? i'm not sure what you're asking
[23:56] <zookalicious> rafii-  That's good to hear. I was just remarking that typically I find clean installations to be more reliable.
[23:56] <cdavis> I think natty is going to make me want to do more stuff in the console
[23:56] <ohsix> zetheroo: same place you did before, on the panel; whats in unity is not a panel
[23:56] <kdubois> cdavis: gui's are overrated anyways :)
[23:56] <jiohdi> Galerien: you can check whether you are at full upgrade in console type lsb_release -a
[23:56] <yofel> jdahm: missing GPG keys will only get you warnings, not errors, so that shouldn't mess up anything. Well, it will give you an occasional warning, true
[23:56] <zetheroo> ohsix: so your saying there IS a way to customise the menu system and launcher?
[23:56] <[dlp]> entity: What does /etc/fstab say?
[23:56] <cdavis> kdubois: so true
[23:56] <pp7_> kdubois: +1 :)
[23:57] <ohsix> zetheroo: you'll really be boned w/gnome-shell, enjoy what you have now
[23:57] <joepa> in natty/unity (unatty?), apps aren't staying pinned to the Launch (i.e., I r_click, Keep in Launcher, logout, login, and it's gone)
[23:57] <joepa> any ideas?
[23:57] <Galerien> jiohdi: ok, I can't see any mentions of beta or rc, is that it ?
[23:57] <Drumm96> Okay. So this may be a video drivers issue. lsb_release -a says I'm 11.04
[23:57] <Eathuz> I got a question: I loaded Ubuntu 11 on a USB. It works fine when booting from it on my MacBook Pro, but I for some reason get "Boot Error" everytime I boot it on my ASUS P5N-D. Any ideas or suggestions? I've googled it and I can't seem to find a solution.
[23:57] <zetheroo> ohsix: I did not think there was anythign too wrong with Gnome-shell ...
[23:57] <jiohdi> Galerien: thats it
[23:57] <ohsix> zetheroo: i'm not saying that; i'm saying you want a panel; use the session with a  panel
[23:57] <zetheroo> ohsix: you said there was something in ccsm
[23:57] <pp7_> mmm 12hrs till my upgrade completes :P
[23:58] <Sylphid> Eathuz, using the mac optimized image maybe
[23:58] <ohsix> zetheroo: not what you are asking, it is not a panel, i said what settings there _are_, some are available there
[23:58] <entity> [dlp]: I'm on a different machine... I'll type it into a pastebin and get back
[23:58] <Galerien> jiohdi: so, why do I get a crash warning when I boot ? It did that on the beta 1, but I wouldn't expect it to append on the final one.... Or can that be gnome 3 (which works perfectly)
[23:58] <Eathuz> Sylphid, tried downloading it and building the USB both from Mac and Windows.
[23:59] <zetheroo> ohsix: yeah ok ... the panel is not my main concern ... the main things are the launcher and menu
[23:59] <ohsix> zetheroo: so the panel, noted
[23:59] <jiohdi> Galerien: 6months to get everything right might seem like a long time, but trust me you will get a flurry of updates and upgrades in the next couple of months
[23:59] <zetheroo> ohsix: panel is not a biggy ...
[23:59] <jdahm> ok well I should head out