[01:59] <SpamapS> Anyone around who knows about the SRU uploaded to natty-proposed ?
[02:45]  * fagan cant sleep :/
[02:49] <fagan> (i think im regretting my after work power nap)
[08:00] <rye> mornings
[08:11] <duanedesign> rye: hello hello
[08:12] <rye> duanedesign, hello, it is such a shame to have caught a cold right before the release date :'-(
[08:12] <duanedesign> oh no, perfect timing :\
[08:12] <mandel> is the release 2day?
[08:13] <mandel> or tom?
[08:13] <duanedesign> i noticed last night someone popped in asking about the Natty-proposed SRU
[08:13] <duanedesign> FWIW
[08:20] <hrw> morning
[08:25] <duanedesign> morning hrw
[08:28] <thomasuhl> is there anybody using evo and couchdb for adress sync?
[08:28] <thomasuhl> I patches the evo-couch lib
[08:28] <thomasuhl> but no success to get the contacts into evo
[08:35] <duanedesign> thomasuhl: what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[08:35] <thomasuhl> latest 11.04
[08:35] <thomasuhl> rodrigo mentioned a patch
[08:36] <duanedesign> ahh
[08:40] <fagan> morning all
[08:41] <duanedesign> bug 727370
[08:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 727370 in evolution-couchdb (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Contacts not syncing with my computer (affects: 29) (dups: 16) (heat: 266)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727370
[08:45] <duanedesign> thomasuhl: comment #44 of that bug mentions the test branch. That is the issue, and fix, you are talking about?
[08:56] <thomasuhl> duanedesign: yes I applied the patch
[08:56] <thomasuhl> I have 2600 contacts
[08:56] <thomasuhl> they are loaded but no displaed
[08:57] <thomasuhl> what I did not understand is the fact why evo loads all contact
[08:57] <thomasuhl> into xml
[09:13] <rye> thomasuhl, are the first entries being displayed?
[09:13] <mandel> fagan: ping
[09:15] <fagan> mandel: pong
[09:16] <mandel> fagan: can you  please take a look at this: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/add_ipc_client_code_1/+merge/59257
[09:16] <fagan> sure
[09:17] <fagan> mandel: so running the tests and doing a code review is all I have to do?
[09:17]  * fagan presumes ralsina will pick up any problems with the approach :)
[09:18] <mandel> fagan: yes, that should be enough
[09:26] <karni> Good day everyone!
[09:26] <fagan> morning karni
[09:27] <karni> morning fagan
[09:27] <fagan> oh and happy ubureleaseinsanity day
[09:28] <karni> fagan: yeah, to you as well! hehe :)
[09:31] <thomasuhl> rye: no entry is displayed
[09:31] <thomasuhl> I sent debug output to rodrigo_
[09:32] <thomasuhl> why are all adressbook entries copied in a xml file?
[09:32] <thomasuhl> this is highly ineficient
[09:32] <thomasuhl> inefficient
[09:39] <rye> thomasuhl, is "cache locally" enabled for the address book?
[09:40] <hrw> hej karni
[09:40] <karni> hi hrw !
[09:41] <thomasuhl> rye: no
[09:41] <duanedesign> hello karni
[09:41] <karni> hi duanedesign !
[09:42] <thomasuhl> makes no sense to me  - all data is stored in the desktopcouch
[09:52]  * fagan has no desktop on his desktop 
[09:52] <fagan> :/
[09:52] <fagan> (its after I removed the gnome 3 ppa)
[09:56] <thomasuhl> so why are all contacts copied?
[10:10] <rodrigo_> thomasuhl, just saw your mail, it's indeed the timeout problem, so need to look for a better fix :(
[10:10] <fagan> mandel: +1 took me longer because my desktop wouldnt load :D
[10:15] <mandel> fagan: ok, no
[10:15] <mandel> problem
[10:18] <mandel> fagan: could also please review: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/add_ipc_client_code_2/+merge/59335
[10:18] <mandel> is more or less the same but it is used for a diff set of methods
[10:18] <fagan> cool
[10:28] <fagan> mandel: +1
[10:28] <mandel> superb :)
[10:31] <thomasuhl> rodrigo_: ok, but why are all contacts copied?
[10:43] <rodrigo_> thomasuhl, copied where?
[11:00] <thomasuhl> .cache/....
[11:12] <mandel> fagan: ping
[11:12] <fagan> mandel: sup
[11:12] <mandel> fagan: can you also take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/add_ipc_client_code_3/+merge/59339
[11:12] <mandel> I'm in a good coding zone 2day ;)
[11:12] <fagan> mandel: you've been busy today :)
[11:12] <fagan> ill get right to it
[11:13]  * fagan is doing some more of the UOW talk writing in the background 
[11:27] <fagan> mandel: +1 again
[11:34] <duanedesign> V
[11:34] <duanedesign> tail -fn 50 ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[11:34] <duanedesign> ugh
[12:34] <mandel> does anyone know when we were going to have the bluprint meeting?
[12:42] <mandel> ralsina: ping?
[12:47] <mandel> fagan: ping
[12:56] <duanedesign> What type of bugs would get assigned to ubuntuone-ops+ ?
[12:56] <duanedesign> facundobatista: ping
[12:57] <duanedesign> facundobatista: we got some additional information on bug 768662
[12:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 768662 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "One big file keeps starting to upload every time I log in (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768662
[12:58] <fagan> mandel: pong
[12:58] <mandel> fagan: we did have a meeting for 2day regarding blueprints, right?
[12:59] <fagan> mandel: I cant remember
[13:00] <mandel> hmm by brain does remember reading something about 9 ART so I guess it iwll be after the standup….
[13:06] <ralsina> mandel: pong
[13:06] <ralsina> right after standup
[13:22] <facundobatista> duanedesign, let me check
[13:32]  * fagan droools over the new graphics here http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/features/ubuntu-one
[13:33] <fagan> (the mobile one in the middle of the page)
[13:34] <facundobatista> duanedesign, he mentioned again an issue with the file '/home/tomas/Ubuntu One/Compiz-Elpraga-netbook-pared.profile'; this was uploaded ok at 2011-04-21 18:36:14,460, and never attempted to upload again
[13:34] <facundobatista> so, we're ok in that front
[13:34] <facundobatista> now checking the other file
[13:51] <ralsina> fagan mandel alecu dobey thisfred nessita standup in 9'
[13:52] <thisfred> kk
[13:53] <fagan> yes captain
[13:58]  * mandel back
[13:59] <fagan> mandel: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/features/ubuntu-one isnt that image in the middle of the page supposed to be going into the u1 windows installer
[13:59] <dobey> what's with the upside-down musical note?
[14:00] <fagan> dobey: I think its the design
[14:00] <fagan> but I love it
[14:00] <nessita> me
[14:00] <fagan> me
[14:00] <thisfred> me
[14:00] <mandel> me
[14:01] <fagan> (we didnt lose anyone in the netsplit did we?)
[14:01] <dobey> it looks weird
[14:01] <dobey> fagan: no
[14:01] <fagan> ralsina: said he had to do something for 5 mins
[14:02] <fagan> so I think nessita can go
[14:02] <dobey> me
[14:02] <mandel> fagan: yes, a similar image
[14:03] <nessita> DONE: attempted to work on bug #762004 but had several technical difficulties
[14:03] <nessita> TODO: blueprints, get a maverick install somehow
[14:03] <nessita> BLOCKED: a little
[14:03] <nessita> NEXT: fagan
[14:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 762004 in ubuntuone-servers "Ubuntu One consumer secret differs from Ubuntu SSO leading to authentication failures (affects: 8) (dups: 2) (heat: 52)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/762004
[14:03] <alecu> me too
[14:03] <fagan> DONE
[14:03] <fagan> * more merge requests
[14:03] <fagan> * more of the UOW talk think ive gotten some nice topics to keep people interested
[14:03] <fagan> * went looking at some of the new ubuntu website
[14:03] <fagan> TODO
[14:03] <fagan> * finish the UOW talk
[14:03] <fagan> * maybe do some more bug reports :)
[14:03] <fagan> * go to the ubuntu ireland release party and have some fun with some nerds
[14:03] <fagan> NOTE
[14:03] <fagan> Leaving a little early to get ready and go to the ubuntu release party
[14:03] <fagan> thisfred: go
[14:03] <thisfred> DONE: reading up on vala TODO: blueprints NEXT: mandel
[14:03] <ralsina> fagan: I'd like to check the UOW talk with you, please
[14:03] <ralsina> me
[14:04] <fagan> ralsina: sure
[14:04] <mandel> DONE: More client code for the sd ipc code to be later used by control panel. There are several reviews that need a +1 from windows.
[14:04] <mandel> TODO: A little more on the avobe mentioned, move to control panel.
[14:04] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[14:04] <mandel> dobey, do as you feel
[14:04] <dobey> i think i'll go back to bed then
[14:04] <dobey> λ DONE: protocol/client releases for 0-day SRU
[14:04] <dobey> λ TODO: blueprints stuffs, finish nightlies fixes, maverick/lucid SRUs
[14:04] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[14:04] <ralsina> mandel: I will do reviews for you now
[14:04] <dobey> ralsina: y tu
[14:04] <mandel> ralsina: ok, let me point yo to them in order i a pm
[14:04] <ralsina> DONE: fight the power, TODO: windows reviews, UI work
[14:05] <ralsina> BLOCKED: trying not to
[14:05] <ralsina> comments?
[14:05] <fagan> ralsina: yeah ill just finish what im doing on the talk and then share the doc with you
[14:05] <alecu> me!
[14:05] <alecu> DONE: playing with unity lenses and the amazon product advertisement api
[14:05] <alecu> TODO: blueprints and stuff
[14:05] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[14:06] <ralsina> fagan: cool
[14:06] <ralsina> comments?
[14:06] <ralsina> 1 comment) thanks to nessita we may have the blueprints "talk" in a few minutes
[14:07] <thisfred> right I saw
[14:07] <ralsina> let's keep it on IRC since there are at least 2 mumble-impaired members of the team now
[14:07] <thisfred> ok
[14:08] <ralsina> 2) I am sorry if I have not been helpful the last few days, but I have been having way too many problems. I will try to do better.
[14:08] <mandel> so how do we sort this out? I mean the talk over irc?
[14:08] <mandel> 'cause saying me does not seem to be a goo approach, is it?
[14:08] <ralsina> 3) Congrats to all of you on this release, it seems to be going pretty smoothly (ok, not smoothly, but you have done a great job. High fives all around, etc)
[14:09] <dobey> mandel: what the me are you talking about?
[14:09] <ralsina> we now have our own copy of the 'sheet so we can just claim them there in a column?
[14:10] <ralsina> Since some are desktop + other groups, we also need to check not to create duplicate blueprints
[14:10]  * ralsina is half thinking about creating a blueprint web app for next cycle because this is just cumbersome
[14:10] <mandel> dobey: I was mentioning, that saying 'me; as we do on the standup does not seem to be a good way to organize the conversation about the blue prints over irc
[14:10] <dobey> eh web apps? what are those?
[14:11] <nessita> ralsina: we should ping CardinalFang, right?
[14:11] <CardinalFang> Eh!?
[14:11] <dobey> nessita: and vds too probably?
[14:11] <dobey> or not
[14:11] <thisfred> and who do we get from web mobile next cycle? ;)
[14:11] <dobey> nessita: CardinalFang isn't going to UDS
[14:12] <nessita> dobey: vds is not going to UDS... I thought that CardinalFang was
[14:12] <nessita> hum
[14:12] <nessita> seems like I'm mistaken :-)
[14:12]  * vds not going to UDS
[14:12] <CardinalFang> I'm listening in remotely to UDS only.
[14:12] <nessita> ralsina, alecu, dobey, thisfred, mandel: new spreadsheet sent
[14:13] <mandel> nessita: the will be missed… even with the snore capabilities that vds has ;)
[14:13] <thisfred> I don't see it
[14:13] <nessita> ralsina: can we start in 8 minutes? I would like to make some mate first
[14:13] <ralsina> nessita: sure
[14:13] <thisfred> ah got it
[14:13] <nessita> I was planning on doing it before, but... :-P
[14:13]  * dobey is already on mumble
[14:14] <ralsina> nessita: go and do it. it's my fault. I'll make you mate in Budapest.
[14:14] <dobey> since the event request said it started 4 minutes ago
[14:14] <mandel> so, we use mumble?
[14:14] <thisfred> mandel: no
[14:14] <ralsina> no, let's try to do it here, nessita has no mumble
[14:14] <ralsina> and dobey has to walk to use his ;-)
[14:15] <ralsina> and I have no voice
[14:15] <thisfred> but I must scream
[14:15] <ralsina> thisfred: awfully tempted. That short story creeped me out when I was a kid.
[14:15]  * alecu gets some matecocido before it's too late.
[14:15] <thisfred> :)
[14:15] <dobey> blah
[14:15] <ralsina> That one and "greener than you think"
[14:16] <ralsina> oh, sorry about the mumble dobey
[14:16] <ralsina> I know you like it so much
[14:21] <dobey> "Location: Mumble"
[14:21] <dobey> this is what the invite says :)
[14:21] <ralsina> I changed it :-)
[14:22] <dobey> man i hate google docs
[14:22] <ralsina> dobey: you get a beer for actually trying to use mumble of your own free will ;-)
[14:22] <mandel> dobey: do you want me to join you in mumble, I know a couple of new jokes :)
[14:23] <nessita> mandel: in spanish or english?
[14:23] <dobey> i already shut my laptop off, so no
[14:23] <dobey> nessita: doesn't matter
[14:23] <mandel> eng :P
[14:23] <ralsina> google docs works better on android with the new app than on a PC
[14:23] <ralsina> at least it lets you change accounts :-(
[14:23] <thisfred> also I suspect that rather than "new" they'll be variations on an existing theme
[14:23] <mandel> oh, and now that I think about it, in spanish too :)
[14:23]  * ralsina bets they involve sex or excrements
[14:24] <dobey> or belgians
[14:24] <nessita> I'm ready
[14:24] <mandel> in this case, s/belgians/vasc
[14:24] <dobey> basque?
[14:24] <mandel> nessita: for the jokes?
[14:24] <thisfred> I was just thinking sexcrement would be a good death metal band name
[14:25] <thisfred> apparently http://www.facebook.com/sexcrement agree
[14:25] <mandel> dobey: sorry, yes basque, I wrote in a diff lang
[14:25] <nessita> mandel: sure!
[14:25] <nessita> alecu: you back with your mate cocido?
[14:25] <alecu> yup
[14:25] <alecu> and reading this nonsense
[14:25] <nessita> ralsina: you ready?
[14:25]  * ralsina rady
[14:26] <nessita> ok, so shall we?
[14:26] <nessita> ralsina: not sure if we should move to another channel though
[14:26] <mandel> I think we should, way too much noisein case someone has a bug
[14:26]  * alecu loves the "Ubuntu One" orange box in the new http://www.ubuntu.com/
[14:26] <mandel> or problem
[14:26] <dobey> well i'm all out of vodka, and orange juice, so give me a few minutes to run to the store
[14:26] <ralsina> dobey: early!
[14:26] <ralsina> ok, let's move to #u1-bp ?
[14:27] <nessita> ralsina: on canonical's IRC
[14:27] <mandel> british petroleum?
[14:27] <mandel> is it going to be THAT bad
[14:27] <ralsina> ok, #u1-bp on canonical
[14:27] <dobey> mandel: there's oil everywhere
[14:27] <mandel> that is what she said
[14:28] <mandel> .me is happy that the joke went so well :)
[14:28] <mandel> I did plan for that answer :P
[14:28] <dobey> i know you did
[14:29]  * thisfred converted his autoqueue plugin to a dbus service so it will be easier to use from other software yesterday
[14:31] <thisfred> with the added bonus that it's now much more async and blocks the ui way less
[14:31] <duanedesign> anyone have any ideas about what may be causing this bug 769176 ?
[14:31] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 769176 in ubuntuone-client "Ubuntu One Reporting Incorrect File Storage Statistics (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769176
[14:43] <facundobatista> duanedesign, regarding the other file from the bug... everything seems ok, in client and server logs
[14:44] <facundobatista> duanedesign, 1'
[14:47] <rmcbride> duanedesign: just saw your question from a couple hours ago about bug assignments. ops+ would typically get bugs assigned regarding server deployment, infrastructure/infrastructure tools, that sort of thing.
[14:49] <rmcbride> Hmm. space utilization inconsistencies. Haven't seen that in a while
[14:51] <facundobatista> duanedesign, ok, the only thing we can do to keep exploring the issue is for the user to put logs in TRACE mode, so we can get an indication of why the server says the upload is corrupt
[14:52] <duanedesign> facundobatista: ok. Thank you for the help.
[14:54] <rmcbride> hmm. useage is in low MBs. Could it be something to do with block allocation? that's not a lot of data these days
[15:28] <duanedesign> karni: ping
[15:28] <karni> duanedesign: pong
[15:29] <duanedesign> hello hello
[15:29] <karni> duanedesign: hi!
[15:30] <duanedesign> karni: was just catching up on some forum posts. I had one asking about android and file sync
[15:30] <karni> duanedesign: yes please
[15:30] <karni> duanedesign: I mean, do you heave a link ;D
[15:30] <duanedesign> ;)  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1741405
[15:34] <karni> duanedesign: thanks, replying
[15:43] <fagan> ralsina: ill be heading off in 15 minutes if you are going to check out that doc I linked just comment in the places if there are things you want to highlight or change
[15:44] <fagan> I think I have most things covered already though
[15:44] <fagan> but im not scripting it im going to cherry pick bits and pieces on the day
[15:45] <ralsina> I will check it later so you can look at it early tomorrow
[15:45]  * ralsina is tempted to yell SCRIPT IT but will not ;-)
[15:47] <fagan> ralsina: well id be tempted to script with some python or bash but the AI would be very complicated
[15:48]  * fagan wonders if he can push back UOW to write the script but pushing it back a year or two would be overkill 
[15:50] <ralsina> nah, I meant script it as in "have a script of things you want to say". Like a screenplay. Not like a program.
[15:53] <fagan> ralsina: hah I know I was messing. Yeah last time I did one of these talks I scripted it and it went a bit pair shaped because I wasnt really prepared for the particular crowd that turned up on the day
[15:53] <fagan> ralsina: so not having a script but having great notes is always a good option
[15:53] <fagan> and as well it tends to time the chat in human readable speed when you have to type it out
[15:54] <fagan> although I have scripted a few questions that might come up
[15:54] <fagan> just in case
[15:54] <fagan> dropbox was a big one :)
[15:54] <ralsina> ok
[16:14] <dobey> doh
[16:48] <dobey> lunch time, bbiab
[17:03] <karni> duanedesign: lol I forgot I was replying to that post like 2 hours ago
[17:05] <karni> duanedesign: you know what.. being on the other side I never know how much I can tell.. I guess "The app is being developed." won't be a satisfactory answer, will it?
[17:05] <mandel> karni: i'd go for that and explain how much is left
[17:06] <mandel> karni: is opensource right?
[17:06] <mpt> How do I reset the Ubuntu One Control Panel back to its initial state? I tried deleting its access at <https://login.ubuntu.com/+applications>, and deleting ~/.config/ubuntuone, but neither worked.
[17:06] <karni> mandel: yes it is
[17:06] <mandel> karni: then point to the project and hope the jump in to help :)
[17:06] <mandel> in a polite manner, of course
[17:06] <mandel> which I have not been able to do on the windows side hehe
[17:09] <alecu> mpt, use the "passwords and encryption keys" application (seahorse from the cmdline) to delete the "Ubuntu One" password.
[17:11] <mpt> alecu, thanks, but that doesn't seem to work either -- I launch the control panel and it still flicks me to a screen showing my "Personal details"
[17:12] <ralsina> mpt: remove your machine from the website
[17:13] <mpt> Ah, I need to do all three while the control panel is closed
[17:14] <alecu> mpt, weird. I did just that (removing keys from the keyring) while the control panel was closed and when I re-opened it started on the initial screen.
[17:17] <alecu> yes, it looks like it had to be just closed. Nevermind.
[17:17] <karni> mandel: to tell the truth, I have purged more than half of the code and rewrote parts to use the new REST API so it'll take few more days at least to wrap this to a sensible state
[17:17] <mandel> karni: makes sense :)
[17:18] <duanedesign> karni: no worries
[17:18] <karni> mandel: plus, we were changing the API almost on a daily basis, so I'm hoping for the best that it stabilizes now :)
[17:18] <duanedesign> karni: i can respond with something like 'an android app is on the roadmap' ?
[17:19] <karni> duanedesign: you can respond that "we're already on it ;)"
[17:19] <mandel> karni: I'd sya just that, the app is on its way, but is being heavily developed and its current state is funky
[17:19] <mandel> is opensource, everyone understands that
[17:19] <karni> duanedesign: haha ↑ that's a good answer
[17:21] <duanedesign> cool, thanks
[17:28] <nessita> mpt: hey there, I saw your message yesterday. About the control panel, you need to go to the Devices tab and remove your current device
[17:29] <mpt> nessita, thanks, I just was having trouble reproducing bug 772504
[17:29] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772504 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "Control Panel scrolls after installing desktopcouch-ubuntuone (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772504
[17:32] <nessita> mpt: do you have a design suggestion to solve that?
[17:32] <nessita> mpt: no need to reproduce, is known, but we don't have a known design solution for it
[17:34] <mpt> nessita, it looks like a bare-minimum fix would be to shorten or remove the "Install the Firefox extension for the sync service: bookmarks" text
[17:35] <nessita> mpt: we can't remove the text :-). Shorten, maybe, but not suitable for a SRU (sadly)
[17:35] <mpt> nessita, a larger fix would be to rearrange those three sync options (files, contacts, bookmarks) so that they're all in one row, or all in one column, instead of in the odd "L" shape.
[17:36] <nessita> mpt: is kinda complicated for us (developers) to receive, sometimes, contradictory design guidelines from the design team. For this particular case, the design was given by ivanka and claire
[17:37] <mpt> nessita, they probably didn't see this particular situation, since this is part-way between having none of the bits installed and having all of them installed
[17:38] <nessita> mpt: we're happy to implement things that work for the end users. I also think that we could make a better use of our time (all of us) if there were more unified criteria between the design people/proposals. Do you think we can do something in this direction?
[17:40] <mandel> ralsina: ping
[17:40] <ralsina> mandel: pong
[17:41] <mandel> ralsina: did you have the time to take a look at the merge proposals?
[17:42] <ralsina> mandel: I am about to start on them. Sorry about the delay
[17:42] <mandel> ralsina: no worries :)
[17:42] <mandel> ralsina: is never late
[17:42] <ralsina> mandel: I have lots of worries if you need one!
[17:43] <mpt> nessita, the only way I'm familiar with is to have one designer accountable for the results (I see you have a job opening for that at the moment, good), and to make that designer publish a design specification and keep it up to date with every new UI-related bug report.
[17:43] <mandel> ralsina: nha, I've got enough with what I've got
[17:44] <nessita> mpt: that sounds good, and I would love to see something like that happening this incoming cycle. We have several things to improve at UI level.
[17:45] <mpt> nessita, I see there's a design specification for the control panel, but it doesn't seem to cover the component installation at all.
[17:49] <nessita> mpt: right, that is another doc, let me point you at it
[17:54]  * mandel walks dog
[18:03] <dobey> we have a job opening for that?
[18:03] <dobey> hrmm
[18:04] <ralsina> dobey, alecu, nessita, thisfred: we need MORE blueprints
[18:05] <ralsina> and MORE sessions for UDS
[18:05] <ralsina> so let's not be so picky about things being session-worthy
[18:05] <ralsina> also, browse the full list and see if there's something there you like that was not on the shorter list
[18:07] <nessita> ralsina: more bp from desktop? or from all the os team?
[18:07] <ralsina> also mandel: ^
[18:07] <ralsina> more from desktop+
[18:08] <ralsina> apparently our proposal list is the smallest ever ;-)
[18:10] <ralsina> nessita: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/software/366910/ubuntu-linux-11-04/2 "the most interesting update here is the Ubuntu One Control Panel"
[18:10] <nessita> \o/
[18:10] <alecu> ralsina, I'm on 9 blueprints... do you need moar?
[18:11] <ralsina> alecu: 9?
[18:11] <alecu> ralsina, I can always drop some
[18:11] <ralsina> alecu: no, but maybe a few of those are worth sessions?
[18:11] <ralsina> also, nessita, can you add parrino to the document?
[18:11] <nessita> sure
[18:12] <alecu> ralsina, nessita: cool article!
[18:12] <dobey> ralsina: uhm, MORE what?
[18:12] <ralsina> dobey: more sessions,
[18:12] <ralsina> also: everything with a name is a blueprint?
[18:13]  * dobey makes a glados-o-the-cake-is-a-lie blueprint
[18:13] <ralsina> of course it is. No wonder the list was short ;-)
[18:14] <dobey> i am totally confused then
[18:17] <fader_> Hey folks, is there anywhere to directly download the u1 music streaming app apk without going through the android market?
[18:17] <fader_> (For Android)
[18:20] <ralsina> dobey: it seems to me the number of blueprints is actually ok, but the number of sessions proposed is low.
[18:21] <dobey> ralsina: i don't understand that. sessions are blueprints
[18:22] <dobey> karni, CardinalFang, beuno: ^^ can you help fader_?
[18:22] <ralsina> dobey: blueprints are tasks for the cycle. Sessions are groups of people sitting in a rm talking about a blueprint.
[18:22] <ralsina> rm/room
[18:23] <karni> fader_: dobey: I'm sure CardinalFang has the latest build published to the market, he's not around ATM though
[18:23] <dobey> ralsina: UDS Sessions are scheduled by having blueprints
[18:23] <dobey> ralsina: a blueprint named appropriately on the Ubuntu distribution, is scheduled as a session
[18:23] <karni> fader_: if we won't ping you soon, please drop by tomorrow :)
[18:23] <ralsina> dobey: so *I* am confused
[18:24] <fader_> dobey, karni: Thanks! :)  I'll hang out here in case someone comes up with a URL for me, and ping you guys tomorrow if not.
[18:24] <karni> fader_: good :)
[18:24] <beuno> fader_, I can get you teh apk, one sec
[18:25] <fader_> beuno: <3
[18:30] <ralsina> nessita: add chipaca to the doc please?
[18:31] <nessita> ralsina: yessir!
[18:31] <nessita> done
[18:32] <Chipaca> hold on, i already have this doc
[18:32] <Chipaca> dear google docs, you sometimes are puzzlingly puzzling
[18:33] <dobey> yeah, also, do not try to zoom on google docs. spreadsheets really do not like it when you do that
[18:33] <ralsina> Chipaca: no, it's not that doc. It looks like that doc, but is not the doc you think.
[18:33] <Chipaca> i just noticed
[18:33] <Chipaca> you tricking tricksters
[18:35] <Chipaca> ralsina: are there links to blueprints anywhere?
[18:35] <ralsina> Chipaca: good idea, we should add the links as they are created.
[18:35] <ralsina> nessita, alecu, dobey, thisfred, mandel: ^
[18:35] <Chipaca> ralsina: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+spec/foundations-o-agile-networked-clients might be the same thing as #43
[18:36] <alecu> ralsina, ack
[18:37] <nessita> Chipaca: are our bp called desktop-o or other-o or other-ubunutone-o?
[18:37] <dobey> Chipaca: yes. that is an extension of the non-discussion on ubuntu-devel-discuss yes?
[18:38] <dobey> nessita: <mostappropriatetrack>-o-<name>
[18:38] <dobey> and i am pretty sure there is no other track this time round
[18:38] <Chipaca> dobey: that is the last chance for anybody to raise any issues before we go forth and do it
[18:38] <ralsina> Chipaca: yes, 43 fits there
[18:38] <dobey> Chipaca: ok
[18:38] <nessita> dobey: right, but I would like us to be consistent, and the more appropiate for you may not be the same than for others
[18:39] <ralsina> if noone argues none cares and we have free hand to spread a reign of terror ^W^W^W appropiate update policy.
[18:39] <Chipaca> nessita: did you read jcastro's email?
[18:40] <nessita> Chipaca: I did, and after reading it this doubt came to me
[18:40] <dobey> nessita: most all our stuff should be desktop-o
[18:40] <Chipaca> or foundations-o-
[18:40] <Chipaca> and man, am i upset about the plural there
[18:40] <dobey> *most* :)
[18:40] <Chipaca> foundation-o-<something> is *so* much awesomer
[18:41] <dobey> core-o- is much more awesomer
[18:42] <dobey> huh
[18:42] <dobey> so the schedule has QR codes now
[18:42] <dobey> in like the most horrible place on the page for taking a picture of a qr code can be
[18:48]  * ralsina tries to figure out how to justify blueprint lion-o-rama
[19:15] <CardinalFang> fader_, beuno, did you get it worked out, downloading of the Android package?
[19:19] <fader_> CardinalFang: Nope, not yet... do you have a URL I can try?
[19:19] <beuno> CardinalFang, oooop, I forgot, do you ahve it handy?
[19:21] <CardinalFang> Oh! If only I had a way to share files!  Oh!  I do.  One sec.
[19:21] <fader_> hehe
[19:23] <CardinalFang> fader_, beuno,   http://ubuntuone.com/p/pAo/
[19:24] <fader_> CardinalFang: Thanks!  :D
[19:24] <CardinalFang> A pleasure.
[19:25] <fader_> CardinalFang: Hmm, not to be a pain, but do you have an MD5 for that?  adb is complaining about it when I try to install
[19:26] <CardinalFang> fader_,  365bce650c2d712ba44e1a8e903d6c28
[19:27] <fader_> Yeah, that's what I got.  Hmm.
[19:27] <fader_> It's probably something on my end though... I'll beat on it :)
[19:27] <mandel> ralsina: ping
[19:28] <CardinalFang> fader_, what's the complaint?  logcat say anything useful?
[19:29] <fader_> CardinalFang: nothing that I can immediately tell in logcat, though my android 'skills' consist of carefully following directions :)
[19:29] <fader_> adb tells me: Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_CONTAINER_ERROR]
[19:29] <fader_> when I try to do adb install
[19:30] <CardinalFang> Huh. fader_, what version of Android?
[19:31] <CardinalFang> fader_, "adb logcat" and look for that error.
[19:31] <fader_> CardinalFang: froyo-ish.  It's a B&N nook color on its 1.2 firmware.  So I fully expect breakage and don't expect much support :)
[19:31] <CardinalFang> fader_, Hrm.
[19:32] <ralsina> mandel; pong
[19:32] <ralsina> mandel: doing reviews, doing reviews!
[19:33] <fader_> CardinalFang: It's entirely possible that something is still read-only on the device; I've seen evidence of that when poking around
[19:33] <fader_> (Though other apks have installed so I know it's at least possible to get that far)
[19:33] <mandel> ralsina: cool, 'cause you have another one in the q: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/add_ipc_client_code_4/+merge/59408
[19:33] <mandel> :P
[19:33] <ralsina> adding it!
[19:35] <fader_> CardinalFang: Here's what logcat says when I attempt: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/600391/
[19:36] <mandel> ralsina: you will see that most of it is boring stuff, mostly adding test coverage and some remote methods and signals… very boring
[19:41] <CardinalFang> fader_, "Error opening devmapper (No such file or directory)".  I'm guessing that's something about it trying to install the package to external storage, but it can't find or use it somehow.
[19:41] <CardinalFang> "E/PackageHelper( 1698): Failed to create secure container smdl2tmp1" "E/DefContainer( 1698): Failed to create container smdl2tmp1"
[19:42] <fader_> CardinalFang: Huh, weird... good call though!  I removed the SD card and it installed without a hitch.
[19:42] <fader_> Thanks!
[19:42] <CardinalFang> Welcome!
[19:42] <fader_> Now to see if it runs ;)
[19:42] <CardinalFang> Eeek!
[19:46] <ralsina> mandel: boring is good
[19:47] <mandel> ralsina: well, might be good for the manager, for the guy doing it is a diff story ;)
[19:48] <ralsina> yeah, my life has been too exciting this week ;-)
[19:48] <fader_> CardinalFang: It is indeed working... thanks again for the help!
[19:48] <CardinalFang> fader_, nice.  You're welcome.
[19:49] <CardinalFang> fader_, I've never seen it on a large screen before.  Take a photo, if you can, please.
[19:49] <fader_> CardinalFang: I have to admit that I got the idea from mattgriffin :)  But sure, give me a couple of minutes and I'll get some quick pics.
[19:54] <fader_> CardinalFang: http://ubuntuone.com/p/pBH http://ubuntuone.com/p/pBI http://ubuntuone.com/p/pBJ
[19:54] <fader_> If there are specific other views you'd like shots of I am happy to oblige
[19:56] <CardinalFang> fader_, perfect.  If you see any album art, I want to know if it looks good on that size.  I don't think I anticipated the screen being larger than the image.
[20:00] <fader_> CardinalFang: Should the album art show up anywhere other than the list of albums for a given artist?
[20:00] <fader_> That's the only place I see it (pic coming shortly)
[20:00] <fader_> http://ubuntuone.com/p/pBT
[20:44] <karni> A train has derailed near Lebork. 10 hours is way to short to clean up 5 wagons in Poland. Not good for my travel (or no travel at all).
[21:11] <ralsina> I am taking 3 hours off, see you guys in.... 3 hours.
[21:12] <dobey> uh, you won't be seeing me in no 3 hours :)
[22:06] <dobey> later all