[14:26] <zus> hello - all
[18:43] <keantoken> Hello.
[18:44] <holstein> keantoken: o/
[18:46] <keantoken> My OS wants to upgrade to Narwhal, will this break anything in Ubuntustudio? Or cause other awful annoyances?
[18:46] <holstein> your OS?
[18:46] <holstein> keantoken: dont let it push you around
[18:46] <holstein> what do you want to do?
[18:46]  * holstein is still running 10.04
[18:47] <holstein> you should do what makes you comfortable
[18:47] <holstein> is there any known issues?
[18:47] <holstein> you should be fine*
[18:47] <holstein> would i?
[18:47] <holstein> no
[18:47] <holstein> but, ugrading still takes longer that a fresh install
[18:47] <holstein> so, i sometimes do it to test the procedure
[18:48] <holstein> but, i almost always do a fresh install
[18:48] <keantoken> Ok thanks.
[18:49] <keantoken> Would it be slower and more bloated?
[18:49] <holstein> nah
[18:49] <holstein> maybe faster?
[18:49] <holstein> really depends
[18:49] <holstein> but, barring some driver issue with a newer kernel
[18:49] <holstein> it wont get slower
[18:50] <keantoken> Alright.
[18:53] <keantoken> I think Flash is causing strange problems with my graphics.
[18:53] <keantoken> Firefox keeps telling me it crashed.
[18:53] <holstein> i dont do flash on my production machine
[18:53] <holstein> BUT
[18:53] <holstein> it should be stable
[18:53] <holstein> keantoken: you using FF4?
[18:53] <holstein> and you have flash up to date?
[18:54] <keantoken> I have FF 3.6
[18:54] <keantoken> To my knowledge it updates automatically as I have seen it do, but I will check
[18:54] <holstein> keantoken: i added a PPA for ff
[18:55] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable
[18:55] <holstein> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable
[18:55] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[18:55] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:56] <keantoken> Why should I get FF4?
[18:57] <holstein> you dont have to
[18:57] <holstein> if you're having flash issues with ff
[18:57] <holstein> i would suggest upgrading or downgrading FF and/or flash
[18:58] <holstein> to try and figure out the cause
[18:58] <holstein> +, FF4 is just better
[18:58] <holstein> no reason not to have FF4
[18:58] <holstein> unless you just dont want to
[18:58] <holstein> which is fine
[18:59] <keantoken> I assumed FF3 would upgrade itself to FF4 when it was ready.
[19:00] <holstein> keantoken: no
[19:00] <holstein> thats not the way it works
[19:00] <holstein> you get ubuntu
[19:00] <holstein> say, verion 10.10
[19:00] <holstein> and FF is at the 3.0 stage
[19:00] <holstein> SO
[19:00] <holstein> you get that verion upgraded
[19:01] <holstein> if there is a rev to 3.x
[19:01] <holstein> OR
[19:01] <holstein> a security fix
[19:01] <holstein> to jump to a newer version
[19:01] <holstein> you need to build yourself
[19:01] <holstein> OR use a PPA
[19:01] <holstein> ff4 has been out for a month or so?
[19:01] <holstein> something like that
[19:03] <keantoken> I just discovered Swiftfox, but it looks like it is based on Firefox 3 source code. If I built FF4 on my system would I effectively get a Swiftfox version of FF4?
[19:03] <keantoken> Optimized to me processor etc?
[19:04] <holstein> ff4 is fast again
[19:04] <holstein> i would just try it
[19:04] <holstein> and see if its still an issue
[19:05] <keantoken> I guess I should try to fix flash before installing new things...
[19:05] <holstein> well, i would check that flash is up to date
[19:05] <holstein> then
[19:05] <holstein> try flash in other browsers
[19:05] <holstein> sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[19:05] <holstein> for example
[19:05] <holstein> or midori
[19:05] <holstein> see if you can isolate what the issue is
[19:06] <holstein> im just postulating its FF3
[19:06] <holstein> since, i dont have flash issues
[19:08] <keantoken> Thanks, will do now.