[13:25] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu 11.04 is officially released! Thanks to everybody for the hard work making this a great release!
[13:37] <charlie-tca> Well, we didn't get the news release done though. Anyone?
[18:12] <beardygnome> hi all, anyone successfully upgraded from maverick to natty today?
[18:13] <beardygnome> i get "can not mark 'xubuntu-desktop' for upgrade" every time i try
[18:16] <pleia2> charlie-tca: I think vinnl usually handles posting, but if you or someone wants to draft something up I can post it too
[18:28] <micahg> beardygnome: do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[18:29] <beardygnome> micahg: no, i don't have any other -desktop package installed
[18:29] <micahg> beardygnome: can you look in /var/log/dist-upgrade to see what's failing?
[18:30] <beardygnome> charlie thinks that my encrypted home directory might be the issue
[18:30] <beardygnome> micahg: which file should i look in?
[18:30] <micahg> apt.log maybe?
[18:32] <beardygnome> lots of broken packages listed in there
[18:32] <charlie-tca> What is the first broken package?
[18:33] <beardygnome> Broken libwebkit-1.0-2:i386 Depends on libwebkit-1.0-common [ i386 ] < 1.2.7-1~mmwkt1 > ( libs ) (>= 1.2.7)
[18:33] <beardygnome>   Considering libwebkit-1.0-common:i386 1 as a solution to libwebkit-1.0-2:i386 5
[18:33] <beardygnome>   Added libwebkit-1.0-common:i386 to the remove list
[18:33] <beardygnome>   Fixing libwebkit-1.0-2:i386 via keep of libwebkit-1.0-common:i386
[18:34] <micahg> beardygnome: ah, it's one of your PPAs
[18:35] <beardygnome> i have the chromium-daily ppa enabled, i think that's where libwebkit comes from
[18:35] <micahg> orly?  that shouldn't be there
[18:35] <beardygnome> should i remove all ppas and roll back the packages?
[18:36] <micahg> beardygnome: chromium has its own internal webkit
[18:37] <beardygnome> i also have the yorba shotwell ppa
[18:37] <micahg> apt-cache policy libwebkit-1.0-common should tell you which PPA it is
[18:38] <beardygnome> it's from my MiserWare Granola ppa
[18:38] <beardygnome> man I have so much stuff installed that i'd forgotten about!
[18:38] <beardygnome> should i disable the ppa and install the software?
[18:39] <micahg> beardygnome: you could run ppa-purge on it if you don't care about it
[18:39] <beardygnome> i do care about keeping it after the upgrade
[18:40] <micahg> beardygnome: I think it just downgrades the packages from the PPA and comments out the source line
[18:40] <beardygnome> the package also comes from the webkit-team ppa
[18:41] <beardygnome> which i thought i needed to install chromium
[18:41] <beardygnome> i'll try to downgrade it and disable the ppa
[18:41] <micahg> nope, chromium is self contained
[19:06] <charlie-tca> beardygnome: Mondays at 19:00 UTC for meetings?
[19:20] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, Hey. Do you need me to help update the Xubuntu website?
[19:21] <cody-somerville> It doesn't appear to be updated for the release.
[19:22] <charlie-tca> yes, please
[19:22] <charlie-tca> it hasn't been updated yet, as far as I know
[19:22] <cody-somerville> has anyone prepared anything?
[19:22] <charlie-tca> nope
[19:23] <charlie-tca> I got hit hard by an episode, and got behind
[19:24] <cody-somerville> Okay. Just got a notice from IS. They're setting up caching in front of Xubuntu.org so authenticated pages aren't going to be available until they get an ssl pathway setup.
[19:24] <cody-somerville> ie. I can't update content until after they're done with that.
[19:24] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, While we're waiting, who can help create the content?
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Ohj, goody
[19:25] <charlie-tca> me, I guess
[19:25] <cody-somerville> Do we have release notes?
[19:25] <charlie-tca> I used the ubuntu release notes this time, I have two sections for Xubuntu, one general and one for bugs
[19:26] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes
[19:26] <cody-somerville> So the things we need to update on the website I guess are:
[19:26] <cody-somerville>  * News entry for release
[19:26] <cody-somerville>  * Download page
[19:26] <charlie-tca> We replaced exaile with gmusicbrowser, upgraded Xfce to 4.8
[19:26] <charlie-tca> yes, please
[19:26] <cody-somerville>  * Tour page
[19:27] <cody-somerville> and last but not least,
[19:27] <charlie-tca> Did a lot of bug fixes with 4.8
[19:27] <cody-somerville>  * Front page
[19:27] <pleia2> we have plans to update all the screenshots and things in the coming weeks
[19:27] <pleia2> (there are also updates elsewhere that need to be done)
[19:27]  * pleia2 needs to finish thorough review of site for lingering issues
[19:27] <charlie-tca> Maybe just try to get the news release and download page?
[19:28] <pleia2> yeah
[19:28] <cody-somerville> News, Download, and Frontpage are the only mandatory bits  yea
[19:28] <cody-somerville> (front page because it says 'Xubuntu 10.10 is now available!')
[19:28] <charlie-tca> Yeah.
[19:28] <charlie-tca> but we can't do anything yet?
[19:29] <cody-somerville> Correct. IS tells me it'll be an hour or two
[19:29] <charlie-tca> Okay, that will have to work then
[19:30] <charlie-tca> I couldn't believe it when I woke up at 6am and it was already out
[19:32] <charlie-tca> Thank you for doing that, cody-somerville 
[19:34] <cody-somerville_> ugh
[19:34]  * cody-somerville_ is without power and my modem keeps resetting (I assume its going into power saving mode and only keeping the telephony stuff up).
[19:35] <knome> cody-somerville_, will the IS set up staging.xubuntu.org for us at the same time? their last "we promise" date was 6 days ago
[19:36] <charlie-tca> going to be a long day again...
[19:37] <knome> isn't it always?
[19:38] <cody-somerville_> Do we have an equivalent of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/MaverickMeerkat/Final for the natty release?
[19:39] <cody-somerville> knome, I have no idea about that. I can look into it sometime for you though.
[19:39] <knome> cody-somerville, unless you can do it yourself, don't worry. somebody is already on it, i'm just wondering which one of their ETA's will keep
[19:40] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: no, I did not have time to do it
[19:40] <charlie-tca> and my brain is about dead after testing images for so manyh d
[19:40] <charlie-tca> many days this time 
[19:43] <cody-somerville> Okay, so I've whipped up http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/600393/ for the news article - largely just took the content of Maverick's release announcement and filled in the blanks.
[19:43] <knome> "Get it while it's hot" is nice, but not one month from now
[19:43] <knome> maybe we should reconsider the wording
[19:44] <charlie-tca> Looks wonderful to me
[19:44] <TheSheep> it's always hot
[19:45] <charlie-tca> If they haven't gotten it, it is HOT for them to get it
[19:45] <knome> hah
[19:45] <knome> then 6.04 is hot as well;)
[19:45] <TheSheep> it is
[19:48] <charlie-tca> If you are reading old news announcements, why would you expect them to apply today?
[19:48] <cody-somerville> news articles are dated
[19:48] <charlie-tca> The announcement is not meant to cover months/years, but the day it is published
[19:49] <micahg> knome: you mean 6.06 and that's a different type of hot :)
[19:50] <charlie-tca> That's so hot it is EOL
[19:50] <charlie-tca> but if you go back and read the original announcement, ... (:
[19:51] <micahg> well, 6.06 server has 1 more month
[19:51] <charlie-tca> That doesn't apply to Xubuntu
[19:51] <charlie-tca> We are a desktop environment only
[19:52] <charlie-tca> I would even be willing to bet the links in that announcement are no longer working
[19:52] <charlie-tca> but that doesn't mean we won't publish links in our announcements in the future
[20:55] <knome> charlie-tca, maybe better to let go
[20:56] <charlie-tca> He was very rude in #ubuntu+1, also
[20:57] <knome> if you think he is violating the CoC, point him to it and give a warning. usually that just leads to more bad behaviour though... he's been okay at #xubuntu so far, tbh
[20:59] <charlie-tca> knome: thank you. You are right this time. I will not respond to him again
[21:00] <charlie-tca> I really need to get off line. I can't hardly see for being sick
[21:01] <knome> okay, try to get better and get a good rest
[21:01] <knome> we'll keep the channel civil :)
[21:01] <charlie-tca> Haven't been able to sleep in 48 hours now
[21:02] <knome> doesn't sound so good
[21:02] <charlie-tca> doesn't feel so good either. but we do our best anyway 
[21:03] <knome> exactly