/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/28/#xubuntu.txt

joseph_AJ	Hello channel.	03:23
drc	Hello	03:24
joseph_AJ	Can any one tell me how to get sound working on my Xubuntu system?	03:24
KM0201	joseph_AJ: well, whats your sound device? if you don't know, type "lspci" no qoutes in a terminal, and find your audio device	03:25
joseph_AJ	That command shows that I have an nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2)	03:28
joseph_AJ	installed but I am using a Creative Labs SB Live card.	03:28
joseph_AJ	I have both cards in the comb	03:28
zenrox	joseph_AJ, are you using the ac97	03:28
joseph_AJ	how do I check that?	03:29
zenrox	lsmod	03:29
zenrox	and see if the module for ac97 and/or sb live are loaded	03:29
joseph_AJ	Here is the output of that command: Module Size Used by	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_emu10k1_synth 5136 0	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_emux_synth 29012 1 snd_emu10k1_synth	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_seq_virmidi 4193 1 snd_emux_synth	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_seq_midi_emul 5547 1 snd_emux_synth	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_emu10k1 131818 5 snd_emu10k1_synth	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_intel8x0 25664 4	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_usb_audio 86480 3	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_ac97_codec 99227 2 snd_emu10k1,snd_intel8x0	03:31
joseph_AJ	ac97_bus 1014 1 snd_ac97_codec	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_pcm 71475 4 snd_emu10k1,snd_intel8x0,snd_usb_audio,snd_ac97_codec	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_usbmidi_lib 17413 1 snd_usb_audio	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_util_mem 3118 2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_hwdep 5040 3 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1,snd_usb_audio	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_seq_midi 4588 0	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_rawmidi 17783 4 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_usbmidi_lib,snd_seq_midi	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_seq_midi_event 6047 2 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi	03:31
KM0201	.. you gotta be kidding me?	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_seq 47174 5 snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_emul,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_timer 19067 3 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm,snd_seq	03:31
joseph_AJ	radeon 829223 2	03:31
joseph_AJ	snd_seq_device 5744 5 snd_emu10k1_synth,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq	03:31
* KM0201 sighs		03:31
joseph_AJ	snd 49038 35 snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_intel8x0,snd_usb_audio,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usbmidi_lib,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device	03:31
joseph_AJ	ttm 56633 1 radeon	03:31
joseph_AJ	drm_kms_helper 30200 1 radeon	03:31
joseph_AJ	soundcore 880 1 snd	03:31
joseph_AJ	drm 168060 4 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper	03:31
joseph_AJ	i2c_nforce2 5179 0	03:31
joseph_AJ	agpgart 32011 2 ttm,drm	03:31
joseph_AJ	i2c_algo_bit 5168 1 radeon	03:31
Unit193	!pastebin \| joseph_AJ	03:32
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joseph_AJ	psmouse 59033 0	03:32
joseph_AJ	gspca_sonixj 25900 0	03:32
joseph_AJ	gspca_main 23644 1 gspca_sonixj	03:32
joseph_AJ	k8temp 3228 0	03:32
joseph_AJ	videodev 43098 1 gspca_main	03:32
joseph_AJ	v4l1_compat 13359 1 videodev	03:32
joseph_AJ	snd_page_alloc 7120 3 snd_emu10k1,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm	03:32
zenrox	ok snd_emu10k1 = live and ac97 is for ac'97	03:32
joseph_AJ	serio_raw 4022 0	03:32
joseph_AJ	emu10k1_gp	03:32
joseph_AJ	Sorry, I am new to this. :o(	03:32
zenrox	so it is loading the drivers for bolth	03:32
KM0201	joseph_AJ: you're new at this?.. you didn't think "hey, this outputted 100 lines, what should i tell you" rather than posting the whole thing here?	03:32
zenrox	also to joseph_AJ if you dont have any thang connected to the ac97 you should disable it in the bios of your pc to force it to use the sb live	03:33
zenrox	cause i assume the ac97 is the built in card	03:34
joseph_AJ	You're right. My apologies, I am used to the Forums.....I guess I just assumed something that I shouldn't have.	03:34
zenrox	joseph_AJ, we are all allowed one mistake	03:34
zenrox	lol	03:34
joseph_AJ	:o( I promise to control myself in the future. :o)	03:35
zenrox	its ok joseph_AJ	03:36
joseph_AJ	Good advise zenrox. I didn't even think about using the BIOS to control my sound devices.	03:37
zenrox	your welcome	03:37
joseph_AJ	I know how to use M$ Windows but I am a noob at Linux and so I am still learning even the most basic uses of this OS	03:38
zenrox	joseph_AJ, we were all thare at one time or another	03:39
joseph_AJ	Thank you all for your help. I will try using the BIOS to disable the second audio card. I suspect that will solve this problem. Thank you again.	03:40
zenrox	n/p	03:41
zenrox	good luck	03:41
uofm49426	how can i tell what video ram is shared to my video card	03:52
uofm49426	i have a intel gma i915 running xubuntu 10.10	03:52
uofm49426	in window it can share up to 128	03:54
uofm49426	i want to see if ubuntu can too	03:54
zenrox	ubuntu can too i think your xorg.conf file should have it listed	03:55
zenrox	how much it can use	03:55
uofm49426	thinking of putting windows to the curb side for now or till ssd comes down or i get a docking station	04:00
uofm49426	i have a x41	04:01
uofm49426	the harddrive is rare	04:01
uofm49426	1.8 inch ide	04:02
uofm49426	but the docking station has a option to add another drive	04:02
uofm49426	only thin i use windows for is when i need internet at my xbox 360 use my laptop as a bridge	04:04
zenrox	and you can set up linux to do that too	04:04
uofm49426	it easy for windows to do it not so easy on linux	04:05
zenrox	but it is posable	04:05
uofm49426	i wish someone would build it in nm-applet or wicd	04:07
zenrox	agreed	04:07
zenrox	that could be a good feature request you can put up on launchpad.net	04:07
zenrox	for ubuntu	04:07
uofm49426	my laptop is fine for what i use it for its just for travel few low end game ill alway have window on my desktop	04:10
zenrox	i can play highend games on mine	04:10
zenrox	hp g60-249wm	04:10
zenrox	os[Linux 2.6.38-8-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "natty" 11.04] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon Dual-Core QL-62 (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.00GHz] mem[Physical: 2.7GB, 70.9% free] disk[Total: 229.2GB, 76.9% free] video[nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200M G]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia]	04:11
zenrox	not to shabbly for a 2 year old lappy	04:11
uofm49426	my desktop is a ga-ma78lm-s2h with a amd x2 be-2400	04:12
uofm49426	a geforce 330 gl	04:13
uofm49426	with 1024 of ram	04:13
uofm49426	2 gb of ram	04:13
zenrox	that low of ram on a decktop	04:14
zenrox	i have 3 gigs in my lappy	04:14
uofm49426	my laptop is only 1.5	04:14
uofm49426	im slowly building up my desktop	04:15
uofm49426	i went for better video card over ram	04:15
zenrox	i got ride of my franken pc 2 years ago once i got this	04:16
uofm49426	i dont think i upgrading to 11	04:16
uofm49426	on my lappy	04:17
likemindead	What's the general consensus on Xubuntu 11.04 thus far?	04:17
KM0201	likemindead: i like it..	04:17
KM0201	:0	04:17
Unit193	11.04 is sweet!	04:17
drc	Well worth the money spent	04:17
likemindead	I'm excited. Tried it back at Alpha 3, but some updates hardcore b0rked that install. :-\	04:18
zenrox	xubuntu 11.04 is perfect	04:18
likemindead	Plan to install it tomorrow on my laptop & regular Ubuntu 11.04 on my wife's.	04:18
Unit193	I had/have a bad update...	04:18
zenrox	i have it installed on my wifes allready too	04:18
zenrox	wanted to beat the rush on the servers	04:19
likemindead	I've been using Linux Mint 10 for the last few weeks. Good, but I miss Xfce in general & Xubuntu in particular.	04:19
uofm49426	well good for my desktop not so good for my thinkpad x41	04:19
likemindead	I'm rocking a five-year-old Lenovo 300 N1000.	04:19
zenrox	2 year old hp g60	04:20
likemindead	Yeah, this laptop is "old" but man, it does everything I need it to & does it very well. :D	04:20
Unit193	likemindead: Do you think Xubuntu runs faster then Mint?	04:20
uofm49426	i hear there a problems with intel i915 and 11.04	04:20
zenrox	not saing old is good	04:20
likemindead	I can't really tell a difference, Unit193.	04:21
Unit193	Hrm... It just didn't feel as fast to me...	04:21
KM0201	uofm49426: i'vfe got a 965.. seems to work fine... it worked fine w/ Ubuntu.. its just th eeffects, etc.. drug down the rest of my laptop.. xubuntu was a great compromise.	04:21
uofm49426	i use to have a acer 5515 then ati stopped putting updates out	04:23
uofm49426	and the open driver sucked	04:23
KM0201	uofm49426: i've got an acer 5315.. :) runs rather swimmingly w/ Ubuntu	04:23
KM0201	its actually what i'm on now	04:23
zenrox	that is why i will allways get a pc with an nvidia	04:24
zenrox	ati sucks with drivers for linux	04:24
uofm49426	well my desktop has a onboard ati hd 3000	04:25
uofm49426	replaced with nv geforce 330 gl	04:25
zenrox	i ant saying ati cards suck i am just saying ati does not support there drivers very well in the linux/oss sceine	04:26
zenrox	and nvidia seems to do a better job	04:26
uofm49426	best 50 dollar upgrade i ever spent	04:26
KM0201	zenrox: i agree... when i buy laptops/build my desktops.	04:26
KM0201	i always get nvidia.. this laptop was an exception, but the intel chipset has been fine (not really a gamer.. but fine for sitting around surfing)	04:27
uofm49426	ill take my x41 over a 5515 any day	04:27
zenrox	see i game on my lappy	04:27
zenrox	i needed the nvidia card a nv 8200m	04:27
KM0201	zenrox: i just play lbreakout i love that game.	04:27
KM0201	olol	04:27
zenrox	i play second life	04:27
likemindead	Gaming for me equals NES, SNES, & Playstation emulation. ^__^	04:27
zenrox	see i am a retro gammer too	04:28
zenrox	love all the oldies	04:28
zenrox	zelda in the gold cartige for nes	04:28
uofm49426	in ubuntu a x1200 run like crap compared to i915	04:28
uofm49426	why cant open make better drivers	04:29
zenrox	not enuf money and hardware to test	04:30
uofm49426	old ati i mean	04:30
uofm49426	i was thinking maybe they would make better drivers then amd	04:31
zenrox	but thay dint have all the old hardware specs	04:31
zenrox	or the psyical hardware	04:31
zenrox	that is the limitaion in linux period	04:31
uofm49426	intel graphics always get a bad rap but so fare the open drivers are great	04:33
zenrox	early intel drivers like i810 suckd	04:33
zenrox	i9XX have bine better	04:33
uofm49426	if i decide to get ride of windows for no how can i do it with out reinstalling	04:35
zenrox	use gparted delete the windows partion and expand the linux one	04:37
uofm49426	would you boot from cd well doing this	04:38
zenrox	i would	04:38
KM0201	uofm49426: not sure how familiar you are w/ ubuntu/linux.. but if not "very" familiar, i'd recommend having some access to windows, for at least 6mo.. either another machine, or dual booting.. cuz if you don't, you'll be reinstalling by the end of the week when you run into a problem	04:38
KM0201	a friend of mine goes through this every ubuntu release.	04:39
KM0201	he downloads it.. thinks its awesome, nukes windows.. and literally, wthin a week, he's found some insurmountable problem (that he never asks for help about)... and is reinstalling Windows.	04:39
zenrox	KM0201, i did for ahile when i first started then i lernt how to fix it using irc and ubuntuforums.org	04:39
KM0201	i have tried to tell him so many times, to dual boot for 6mo, whether he only boots windows once a month or not.. before he removes windows.. but he never listens.. he actually IM'd me tonight said he was installing 11.04 and nuking windows(never learns)...	04:40
KM0201	i'm glad he's in japan, so he can't come over and ask me for help	04:40
zenrox	omg	04:40
zenrox	some ppl just never learn	04:40
uofm49426	im just thinking hard drive is just to small for them both	04:40
zenrox	and you cant teach them	04:40
zenrox	how big	04:41
zenrox	is it	04:41
uofm49426	is there a hard drive protection software in ubuntu	04:42
uofm49426	under windows thinkpad has a program that can protect harddrive from shock	04:43
KM0201	zenrox: i've tried telling him a gazillion times, and like i said.. he's installing as we speak(or at least as of an hour ago)... and i bet you by saturday, he's reinstalling windows	04:43
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Unit193	uofm49426: Yes there is	04:44
zenrox	KM0201, tipical	04:44
KM0201	unfortunately... you can lead a horse to water..	04:44
uofm49426	what is it called	04:44
Unit193	hdapsd (I think)	04:44
zenrox	KM0201, yep	04:44
uofm49426	and km0201 my desktop is dual boot vista and xubuntu	04:45
KM0201	uofm49426: see, thats fine...	04:46
KM0201	uofm49426: but this guy, he has one machine..	04:46
KM0201	like i said, i guarantee you, by saturday.. he'll be reinstalling 7.	04:46
uofm49426	my laptop i just a 40 gb hd	04:46
zenrox	go flat out xubuntu	04:46
zenrox	specaly since you have another pc	04:47
Unit193	uofm49426: checkout tpb and pidgin-blinklight if you use pidgin. You use Vista??	04:47
uofm49426	how do i use remote desktop and vista	04:49
KM0201	i haven't used xubuntu for a long time... but my old laptop was just struggling to keep up w/ all the flash and pizzaz of 11.04 and Gnome/Unity.. was gonna install lubuntu, but decided on Xubuntu.. happy i did.	04:50
zenrox	search for taht on ubuntuforums.org	04:50
zenrox	youll get a better or a howto	04:50
Unit193	uofm49426: Using RDP or VNC?	04:50
uofm49426	from xubuntu	04:51
zenrox	rdp	04:51
uofm49426	eather	04:51
Unit193	Are you OK with launchpad PPAs?	04:51
uofm49426	the computers are on a basic wireless network	04:52
Unit193	sudo apt-add-repository ppa:llyzs/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install freerdp-x11	04:53
uofm49426	i try to do it 2 days ago without luck'	04:54
* Unit193 uses RDP in linux when he needs it		04:54
KM0201	Unit193: i installed linux on several friends computers (out of state) w/ Teamviewer...lol. it's easy for me, cuz they aren't techies, adn don't know how to open ports, etc	04:55
Unit193	KM0201: Wubi?	04:56
KM0201	Unit193: oh heck no.	04:56
KM0201	i partition the drive and everything.. i have them install teamviewer on the live cd..lol	04:56
KM0201	i wouldn't put Wubi on my worst enemies computer	04:56
Unit193	Ah! I didn't know how you would do it other then that...	04:57
* Unit193 has never used it		04:57
KM0201	Unit193: very simple app	04:57
KM0201	you start it.. it gives you a username and password... you give the remote person that username and passcode... whamo, your'e on their PC.	04:58
uofm49426	no if there was a program other then vm were you could install windows in a ex4	04:58
KM0201	no port forwarding, no running a vnc server, no command line, very very easy	04:58
uofm49426	that would be cool	04:58
Unit193	I don't like TeamViewer as much....	04:58
Unit193	xfreerdp -u $USER -f -x l -z $IP/HOSTNAME <--- if you want to use FreeRDP	04:58
zenrox	and thay have a teamviewer for linux (witch is wine and win ver of teamviewer)	04:58
KM0201	Unit193: i don't either, ut when its 1. use teamviewer or 2. rip hair out trying to explain port forwarding., 2a, gouge out eyeballs explaining setting up vnc server 2b, ram spikes into ears explaining how to set up vnc server... .. i'll just show them how to use teamviewer..lol	04:59
uofm49426	wubi install window in a linux partion	04:59
uofm49426	that would be cool	05:00
* KM0201 has saw wubi brick windows AND ubuntu way to many times, to ever trust it.		05:00
zenrox	i dont trust wubi either	05:00
Unit193	KM0201: It's sadly only for windows, but checkout UVNC SingleClick	05:02
uofm49426	would it be possible to run a vmware drive from grub	05:02
uofm49426	or plossible	05:03
KM0201	Unit193: meh.. teamviewer works fine for what i need it for, and i don't have to explain anything to them other than "double click that .deb and click install".. :)	05:03
Unit193	KM0201: Did you take a look at it?	05:04
KM0201	Unit193: naa.. don't really need to.. does it install on a linux live cd?	05:04
KM0201	Unit193: and you're still gonna have to deal w/ opening router ports, etc	05:04
Unit193	I don't think it will run under linux without wine: http://www.uvnc.com/addons/singleclick.html	05:05
Unit193	KM0201: That's the sweet part, it's a reverse connection	05:05
KM0201	oh ok.	05:05
KM0201	eh.. teamviewer works.. and i don't have to tell them how to install wine.. :).. it all gets installed when you install teamviewer	05:05
Unit193	Yeah, that way is better then using this in wine (But I like the idea)	05:06
KM0201	Unit193: no doubt the idea is awesome..	05:10
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ball	hello jarnos	07:00
jarnos	ball, hello	07:01
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ArisVer	Hi, today i say goobye to xubuntu.	08:27
mnemoc	hi, I upgraded to 11.04 and terminator stopped honoring my preferred browser. they say they delegated the job of choosing browser to "gtk". xdg-open opens chromium as I want, and I also set /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http{,s}/command and /desktop/gnome/applications/browser/exec with gconftool-2 to use chromium, but it insists in spawning firehog. any idea what else could gtk be looking at to decide what browser to spawn?	08:27
TheSheep	ArisVer: good luck on the new way of life	08:27
TheSheep	mnemoc: I spent a night on that one, it's /usr/share/applications/defaults.list	08:28
ArisVer	TheSheep, thank you. To be more precise, xubuntu said goodbye to me, it made that twice in the last two days.	08:28
mnemoc	TheSheep: thanks! :)	08:28
ArisVer	Goodbye ppl running xubuntu.	08:31
Unit193	Wonder what that was all about...	08:32
mnemoc	that was weird	08:32
lemraish	guys, is it possible to integrate thunderbird to mail menu, just as evolution in ubuntu? i'm using 11.4 beta	08:33
mnemoc	mail menu?	08:45
TheSheep	mnemoc: I guess it's the indicator plugin	08:48
TheSheep	mnemoc: new thing in 11.4	08:48
mnemoc	oh, nice. just added it	08:50
mnemoc	now i have two volume controls :p	08:51
jozefk	xubuntu 11.04 beta2 crashed for me. will the final release be stable?	08:55
mnemoc	beta2 is stable for me	08:56
jozefk	maybe your hardware is different	08:57
Unit193	Besides X seeming to freeze (and I think it's fixed) it is all fine	08:57
jozefk	yes I always have some problems with X or graphic driver I don;t know. it's eighter freezing or crashing	08:58
mnemoc	jozefk: tried reporting the bug properly?	09:00
TheSheep	!bug	09:01
ubottu	If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots	09:01
jozefk	not yet. it's beta2. I was thinking about stable release. hope it work better	09:01
mnemoc	jozefk: developers can't fix problems they don't know about	09:01
jozefk	I see they already know about :)	09:02
mnemoc	good, so there is hope :)	09:04
jozefk	11.04 will be release today right? we will see the hope very soon	09:05
jozefk	:)	09:05
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mnemoc	having two displays (LVDS1+VGA1) is there a way yet to have them deal with virtual desktops separated instead of a single very large thing?	09:13
mnemoc	does that kind of multihead has a name?	09:20
knome	twinview?	09:21
knome	do you have an nvidia card?	09:21
mnemoc	intel	09:21
knome	integrated?	09:21
mnemoc	yes, notebook	09:21
knome	well, what you want is twinview-mode	09:22
mnemoc	i thought "twinview" was to see the same on both :) thanks for the keyword, I'll search	09:23
Sysi	knome: my twinview doesn't work like that	09:27
knome	mine does	09:28
knome	well, it of course needs configuration	09:28
knome	but twinview is what i have	09:28
Sysi	xfce or xorg config?	09:28
knome	xorg	09:28
Sysi	if i need more space i'll use some workaround..	09:29
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ichat	can anywone sugest me a nice 'start menu' that supports recent apps, search (apps and files)	11:27
knome	are you looking for something like gnome do?	11:28
ichat	i gues.	11:28
knome	have you tried that?	11:28
ichat	idid ounce but only got it to like like that bar - rather than the start / pannel / menu ... i also tried mintmenu but didn't get that to work with xfce	11:31
knome	there is no panel applet that does what you are trying to achieve, afaik	11:31
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tomtit	does anyone know if xubuntu 11.04 (stable) will be released sometime today?	12:28
knome	any time today UTC.	12:28
tomtit	knome: thanks	12:29
knome	no problem	12:29
tomtit	oh well got to go!	12:29
buff27	it's deleyed after the main ubuntu right?	12:30
Sysi	at the same time afaik	12:30
knome	it's parallel, yes	12:31
buff27	ubuntu site is updated for 11.04 downloads	12:31
buff27	xubuntu is not	12:31
knome	that'll be done once the new version is released and somebody with access right is available	12:32
buff27	ok	12:32
buff27	so just check the mirrors after annonce	12:32
knome	yes	12:33
knome	might be that some of the mirrors don't have xubuntu right away	12:34
KM0201	itsoutitsoutitsout lol	12:35
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KM0201	\o/oot FINALLY! :)	12:37
Sysi	!isitout	12:43
ubottu	Not yet! But you can join #ubuntu-release-party and await release with the other excited folks :D	12:43
knome	:P	12:43
bazhang	its out	12:44
Sysi	bad bot	12:44
bazhang	very	12:44
knome	!isitout	12:44
ubottu	Yes, join #ubuntu-release-party to celebrate!	12:44
Sysi	cdimage.ubuntu.com only has alternates of xubuntu	12:47
knome	ugh.	12:47
Sysi	yay desktops	12:56
knome	good	12:56
knome	i'm just upgrading :P	12:56
jimmy_	isen't the 11.04 for xubuntu being released today?	13:08
Sysi	http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.04/release/	13:08
jozefk	that's final?	13:09
KM0201	jimmy_: well, ubuntu 11.04 was just released about an hour ago... doesn't lookk like xubuntu.com has beenr eeleased yet	13:09
Sysi	it will be updated	13:09
jozefk	updated? with what? and when?	13:10
jimmy_	KM0201, yeah i saw that, just woundering if it was scheduled to be released today or if it was delayed	13:10
Sysi	i mean website will get up-to-date	13:11
jimmy_	so the xubuntu 11.04 release was uploaded yesterday accoring to the link you provided me with Sysi? Say 2011 Apr 27	13:12
Sysi	they've propably been spinned tehn, for testing	13:12
Sysi	desktop-images just came out moment ago	13:13
KM0201	jimmy_: its not delayed.	13:13
jozefk	can we download from your link or not?	13:13
jozefk	the final stable I mean	13:14
jozefk	that's what i need	13:14
Sysi	that is the final release	13:14
jozefk	thanks	13:16
buff27	you can get xubuntu torrents from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/	13:19
buff27	note torrent files have todays date.... HTTP is two days old	13:20
Mark76	What time does the upgrade start?	13:20
knome	you can upgrade already	13:20
Mark76	Hang on	13:20
buff27	already runnin it myself anyway	13:21
Mark76	Checking package info	13:21
buff27	prefer clean installs	13:21
knome	cdimage.ubuntu.com is under some serious pressure...	13:22
jimmy_	is it possible to run update-manager from 10.04 to 11.04? the only update that seems possible that way for me is to 10.10	13:22
knome	jimmy_, you need to upgrade to 10.10 first, then 11.04	13:22
jimmy_	thank you knome	13:23
buff27	knome, just a tad	13:23
knome	jimmy_, you can only "skip" releases if you are upgrading from lts to lts	13:23
knome	buff27, can't get to download the torrent...	13:23
buff27	really!	13:23
knome	well i'm upgrading so it's not necessary	13:23
buff27	i got it a bout 20-30min ago	13:24
knome	got it now	13:24
knome	just started trying ;)	13:24
jozefk	I'm getting 117kbps from cdimage	13:24
jozefk	that's enough for me :)	13:24
jimmy_	impressive :)	13:24
buff27	I like to have the ISO's handy incase I have other systems to install in next 6 months (before 11.10)	13:24
knome	well it's easier to download the iso tomorrow	13:25
knome	;)	13:25
Sysi	http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/xubuntu/	13:26
Sysi	torrents	13:26
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knome	let's d/l the i386 version as well	13:26
jimmy_	desktop iso just disappeard from cdimage, think i'll just sit tigth until the storm is over	13:26
jozefk	lol	13:27
Sysi	seeding torrent hard	13:27
knome	how hard? ;)	13:28
jozefk	so hard that i'll pass :)))	13:28
buff27	true easier.... I happy to let it trickle in overnight while i sleep	13:28
jimmy_	xubuntu.org - The site is currently not available due to technical problems.	13:30
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knome	jimmy_, probably just too heavy load..	13:30
* buff27 is on the piss.....		13:31
buff27	Pici, voulf I pm you?	13:36
buff27	*could	13:36
Pici	buff27: Uh, sure go ahead.	13:37
knome	ugh?	13:40
fslima0	is xubuntu 11.04 also released?	13:52
Sysi	yes, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.04/release/	13:52
jozefk	yes	13:52
jozefk	maybe even this http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/xubuntu/	13:53
jozefk	:)	13:53
fslima0	i am upgrading from 10.10	13:53
fslima0	thanks	13:53
fslima0	hopefully it won't break things :)	13:53
jozefk	do backup anyway	13:53
jozefk	:)	13:53
knome	backup? is that some sort of exercise movement?	13:54
fslima0	lol	13:54
jozefk	backup is fun with rsync	13:55
knome	great, the new window resize grips	13:56
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knome	erm, that link doesn't work	14:00
charlie-tca	no, We don t have the news release posted yet	14:00
=== knome changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Official Xubuntu Support Channel \| Xubuntu 11.04 is out! Download, Share it, Seed it! Please read the release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes \| Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com \| Offtopic: #xubuntu-offtopic
knome	let's add the link when we do	14:01
charlie-tca	Thanks	14:01
elDingo	thanks	14:01
jozefk	knome what window resize?	14:01
knome	jozefk, the window resize grips at the bottom right	14:01
jozefk	don't know what you are talking about :))	14:02
=== knome changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Official Xubuntu Support Channel \| Xubuntu 11.04 is out! Download, Share it, Seed it! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/ \| Please read the release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes \| Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com \| Offtopic: #xubuntu-offtopic
knome	in natty	14:02
jozefk	I'm still downloading	14:06
elDingo	i can see only alternate isos	14:06
Sysi	torrents are working: http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/xubuntu/	14:08
knome	it's still weird that the desktop images are jumping up and down	14:08
elDingo	i'm firing up my seedbox right now! :)	14:10
charlie-tca	elDingo: you are right. Thanks. I am working on it now	14:10
elDingo	@Sysi where did you get that link from?	14:12
Sysi	i created it	14:12
charlie-tca	elDingo: you can get the desktop image at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/	14:12
elDingo	thank both of you	14:13
elDingo	goodbye, enjoy the new release! :-D	14:20
jozefk	knome what kind of desktop images?	14:23
knome	the desktop images as in .iso's	14:24
vabigoon	hey, is that thing in the title of chat, a stable release of xubuntu 11.04?	14:25
knome	yes	14:25
vabigoon	thank you guy :>	14:25
jozefk	I thought again something like a bug with window resize grips :))	14:25
knome	no :P	14:25
jozefk	whatever it is lol	14:25
knome	the resize grips are nice	14:25
knome	so you're still on maverick?	14:26
jozefk	don't know what you are talking about	14:26
jozefk	:))	14:26
jozefk	right now I'm in the office on win7	14:26
knome	a-ha	14:26
jozefk	but at home I will install xubuntu tonight	14:26
knome	hrm.. the first image result from google with "xubuntu natty" is from my own blog :P	14:27
jozefk	I tried some other xfce distros but ... ah are you talking about switching between desktops? on bottom right there are small windows for switching between desktops	14:27
jozefk	actually that's nothing to do with resize :D	14:28
knome	no	14:28
vabigoon	sorry for my stpid questions :> But, what's the difference between alternate and desktop cds?	14:28
knome	i'm not talking about the workspace switcher	14:29
knome	vabigoon, alternate does not have live cd capability	14:29
jozefk	ok. hope those grips will not push me away :)	14:29
knome	heh	14:29
knome	jozefk, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/window_resize_grip.png <- this is kind of the "worst" example, but it's the most visible	14:31
knome	jozefk, in maverick with greybird theme there was only 1px wide/tall area to resize the window	14:31
jozefk	oh boy. I thought it's some kind of serious problem	14:32
jozefk	that's nothing :)))	14:32
knome	it's not a problem at all	14:32
knome	it's a nice feature	14:32
jozefk	you can maximize and minimize the window that's enough :)	14:32
knome	not for me	14:33
jozefk	ah	14:33
jozefk	picky guy	14:33
drc	Wow...that was disappointing...woke up expecting a big final update...nada, nothing, no-updates-to-install... :(	14:33
knome	drc, but you can upgrade now, right?	14:34
jozefk	go back to sleep	14:34
drc	knome: running daily build from 2 days ago + daily updates.	14:35
knome	right... well we didn't expect a huge bunch of updates	14:35
drc	knome: I didn't either, even the beta2 was solid (for me)...but not even one gpgrade to mark the day?	14:36
knome	heh, i suppose not then :)	14:36
knome	don't fix it if it ain't broken	14:36
drc	don't break it if you can't fix it	14:37
knome	that too, but there wasn't really anything we should have rushed with	14:37
knome	so better leave it as is, and possibly break things only after the release	14:38
drc	I suppose I could install Unity and uninstall it, just for something to do :)	14:38
knome	err	14:38
drc	tea...now!	14:38
knome	i thought charlie-tca said you can't install unity and be able to remove it clenly	14:39
knome	+a	14:39
knome	so probably not the brightest idea..	14:39
fslima0	I went to upgrade from 10.10, but it gave the "xubuntu-desktop" error	14:41
fslima0	or something	14:41
knome	what 'error'? (if it's multiline, use !pastebin)	14:41
fslima0	"Can not mark 'xubuntu-desktop' for upgrade"	14:42
fslima0	o.O	14:42
drc	knome: Joke...see the smilie?	14:42
knome	drc, ":)" is not a joke smiley, ";)" is ;)	14:42
fslima0	WTF?	14:43
knome	fslima0, please watch your language	14:43
knome	fslima0, what happens if you do 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade' ?	14:43
fslima0	let me try that.	14:43
KM0201	servers are getting hammered	14:44
knome	no wonder	14:44
KM0201	lol	14:44
fslima0	"Thisis the BETA version"	14:49
drc	KM0201: How many times were you kicked from #u-r-p last night (I went to be early) ?	14:49
KM0201	drc: 15...lol	14:49
fslima0	so I am upgrading to the beta version or what?	14:49
knome	fslima0, it's not beta, it's final	14:50
fslima0	yea. but it gives me this warning when I upgrade with the command update-manager -d	14:50
fslima0	blah	14:51
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* jozefk is burning		15:33
yeik	Hey, I was curious as to if anybody knows if I should run the ubuntu 11.04 update in xubuntu. Or why it shows up when xubuntu 11.04 isn't available yet.	16:04
Sysi	it is available	16:05
Sysi	update if you feel like it	16:05
yeik	hmm, the xubuntu website says it was last released as a beta 2	16:05
yeik	I thought maybe it was a bug pointing xubuntu directly to the ubuntu servers for its distro updates.	16:06
MK``	The website has just not been updated	16:07
yeik	Ok. where can I find a good changelog for the updates in 11.04?	16:08
Sysi	yeik: all *buntu'es download packages from same servers	16:08
yeik	Sysi, ok, does that mean the only difference is the packages it asks for and downloads?	16:08
MK``	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview	16:09
Sysi	yes, and things installed by default	16:09
MK``	that should list all changes	16:09
yeik	is there any difference between me making sure I get all the updates and the distro upgrade?	16:11
knome	yeik, yes, the distro upgrade is a different thing	16:18
yeik	knome, ok thanks.	16:19
boctulus	hola!	16:23
boctulus	algun amigo online ?	16:23
knome	!es \| boctulus	16:23
ubottu	boctulus: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter.	16:23
boctulus	hi there	16:23
boctulus	anybody there ?	16:24
knome	yes	16:24
knome	obviously...	16:24
boctulus	hey hnome!	16:24
boctulus	:D	16:24
boctulus	I've a little issue	16:24
boctulus	with my network	16:24
boctulus	wi-fi	16:24
boctulus	ALMOST everytime I boot I need to press "Enable Networking" :@	16:24
boctulus	I've tried... re-install network-management	16:25
boctulus	Also.. I've tried with wicd but... It does not work for me (the password never works )	16:25
boctulus	anybody (not-bot) ?	16:26
knome	err, i'm not a bot	16:26
knome	:P	16:26
boctulus	:O	16:27
TheSheep	every bot says that	16:27
boctulus	sorry... he	16:27
knome	TheSheep, that too	16:27
boctulus	:D	16:27
boctulus	Could you help-me ?	16:27
knome	sounds a weird issue, maybe even something with hardware or the wifi connection, if it can connect sometimes	16:28
boctulus	yes	16:28
boctulus	almost 20% ... connects	16:28
boctulus	80% fails	16:28
knome	does the wifi work okay with other machines?	16:28
TheSheep	I would check if you don' have something weird in /etc/network/interfaces	16:29
boctulus	BUT it's perfect working on Win 7	16:29
boctulus	I've re-wrote that several times	16:29
TheSheep	it?	16:29
boctulus	auto lo	16:29
knome	hmm... should all the interfaces be 'auto' there that network manager is managing??	16:29
boctulus	iface lo inet dhc	16:29
TheSheep	ugh, lo is loopback	16:30
boctulus	iface lo inet dhcp	16:30
boctulus	I now	16:30
TheSheep	it shouldn' use dhcp	16:30
boctulus	I tried before with lo	16:30
boctulus	lo0	16:30
boctulus	butt... It was the same :(	16:30
knome	if you need to paste multiline, use !pastebin	16:30
boctulus	there just 2 lines	16:30
boctulus	Any idea ? :D	16:31
TheSheep	is this a fresh ionstall?	16:32
boctulus	TheSheep, YES!	16:32
boctulus	Ubuntu 10.10 Amd64	16:32
boctulus	fresh	16:32
knome	boctulus, maybe you should try upgrading to 11.04 which was released today...	16:32
TheSheep	and it works once you enable networking?	16:33
boctulus	yes!	16:34
boctulus	it works after a few seconds afeter	16:34
boctulus	after	16:34
boctulus	I very angry ...	16:34
boctulus	I've tried every solution	16:34
boctulus	EXCEPT make a script	16:34
TheSheep	I don't have any ideas either	16:35
boctulus	to do that at boot	16:35
boctulus	:(	16:35
TheSheep	well, you don't need a script	16:35
TheSheep	you can add config for eth0 to that network/interfaces	16:35
KM0201	is there an easy way to change the applications menu icon?	16:35
TheSheep	but it should work with just networkmanager	16:35
boctulus	when I add eth0 ... it does not work	16:36
knome	KM0201, what about trying to right-click and select properties?	16:36
boctulus	KM0201, I 've no idea... but... xubuntu it's very basic desktop	16:36
KM0201	knome: don't see that option	16:36
KM0201	boctulus: yea... i seem to recall that option, but it's been so long since i used xfce	16:37
knome	KM0201, which xubuntu?	16:37
KM0201	11.04	16:37
knome	KM0201, there is one.	16:37
knome	KM0201, try again.	16:37
KM0201	knome: where?	16:37
knome	right-click the applications menu	16:37
KM0201	oh geez	16:38
KM0201	duh	16:38
knome	in the context menu, you have the properties-menu	16:38
knome	*item	16:38
KM0201	<--- epic fail	16:38
boctulus	XUBUNTU 11.04 is innestable!	16:38
KM0201	i can't believe i missed that	16:38
boctulus	I do NOT recommend!	16:38
knome	boctulus, err?	16:38
boctulus	Many crashes	16:38
KM0201	boctulus: uh, i've had absolutely ZERO problems out of it.	16:38
boctulus	knome crashs with AMD X4	16:38
knome	boctulus, nope, it's considered stable.	16:39
boctulus	when I use instead a virtual machine with a basic processor... it works perfect!	16:39
KM0201	i had some problems w/ ubuntu 11.04, but i don't blame that on the OS.. it's the dinosaur laptop i was running it on, and Unity was just killin git.	16:39
boctulus	knome, other issue: when I tried to install GNOME over XFCE... BOTH DESKTOPS where load at the same time!	16:40
boctulus	I shut down from XFCE and then.. Linux go to GENOME!	16:40
boctulus	and the performance fall a lot	16:41
KM0201	boctulus: i think your experience was in the minority... i never heard anything like that.	16:41
boctulus	(graph performance)	16:41
knome	boctulus, well, gnome3 is problematic. but why would you install gnome if you are using xubuntu?	16:41
KM0201	..	16:41
KM0201	exactly	16:41
boctulus	knome, you are right :D	16:41
knome	anyway, until today, 11.04 was not advised to install on production machines anyway.	16:42
KM0201	gnome3 was problematic for me.. but.. honestly, i expected it to be.. i suspect when gnome 3 is actualy implemented into the OS(in 11.10) it will be much better	16:42
boctulus	KM0201, as I said... I think there is a problem with 2-processors 2-kernel chips	16:42
boctulus	I;m very sure	16:42
knome	i have a quadcore and no problems..	16:42
boctulus	Quads	16:43
boctulus	wich knome ?	16:43
knome	AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black	16:43
boctulus	OK... It's better than mine	16:44
boctulus	maybe better sopported	16:44
boctulus	:D	16:44
knome	most probably no difference	16:44
boctulus	as you said	16:44
boctulus	in my experience...	16:44
boctulus	comparing with the same machine but virtualizated...	16:45
knome	yeah well. did you install gnome in that virtual machine?	16:45
boctulus	No	16:45
knome	there we go	16:45
boctulus	Just in the real machine	16:45
knome	as i said, gnome3 is problematic	16:45
boctulus	:O	16:45
knome	afaik, it's not possible to install gnome3 and then be able to remove it cleanly	16:46
boctulus	Maybe you are right	16:46
boctulus	Exactly!	16:46
KM0201	knome: that was mye xperience	16:46
boctulus	I was unable!	16:46
knome	yeah, but that doesn't mean xubuntu had a bug or xubuntu was unstable	16:46
boctulus	Ok... fireds...... I must to go :)	16:46
KM0201	boctulus: well what did you expect, you installed a GUI that wasn't totally supported... it's not gonna run flawlessly under most circumstances	16:46
boctulus	ha	16:47
* KM0201 thinks boctulus is just trying to be a rebel rouser		16:47
knome	gnome3 is probably better in plain ubuntu	16:47
boctulus	best regards KM0201 knome	16:47
knome	boctulus, have fun	16:47
boctulus	IDEM	16:47
KM0201	don't install anymore beta software, you're not smart enought o understand there will be problems	16:47
KM0201	lol	16:47
KM0201	man i want a good menu icon	16:49
KM0201	just cant come up w/ one	16:49
* drc think's he'll try to install gnome3 in kubuntu...		16:49
knome	well, we tried to get something nicer there but ended with problems with the panel padding etc., so we ended up with the logo...	16:49
knome	drc, well good luck, and happy reinstalling ...	16:50
KM0201	drc: if youv'e got a stable system, i wouldn't do it.	16:50
drc	Thanks...xubuntu 11.04 is so damn stable for me that I'm bored ;) (there...is <that> the joke smile?)	16:51
knome	drc, yep :P	16:51
KM0201	drc: i actually had very few probs through the beta process w/ 11.04.. well, none that could be blamed on the OS... and a few that could be blamed on me having a 6yr old laptop..lol	16:52
j1mc	hi all	16:53
j1mc	anyone around running xfce 4.8?	16:53
knome	j1mc, of course :)	16:54
j1mc	hey knome	16:54
j1mc	would you mind entering this: gdbus call --session -d org.freedesktop.DBus -o /org/freedesktop/DBus -m org.freedesktop.DBus.ListNames	16:54
knome	hey! (how's the website been?)	16:54
j1mc	and putting the output in a pastebin of your choosing?	16:54
knome	sure, just a sec	16:54
j1mc	knome: the website has been fine. :)	16:54
knome	j1mc, http://pastebin.com/VjAEfKs3	16:55
knome	looks like there is a bug when resizing the terminal	16:56
j1mc	knome: thanks for that... the lead yelp developer is looking for some kind of way of determining what shell is running to display documentation appropriately	16:57
knome	:)	16:57
j1mc	so... if you're running unity, you'll see unity help. if xfce, xfce help, etc.	16:57
knome	yeah	16:57
knome	would be nice	16:57
j1mc	knome: i'm headed to uds in a week	16:58
knome	i'm not :\|	16:58
j1mc	knome: :/ that's too bad. had you applied to go?	16:58
KM0201	UDS?	16:59
knome	no, can't go this time whatsoever	16:59
j1mc	ah	16:59
j1mc	KM0201: yes	16:59
Sysi	!uds	16:59
ubottu	The Ubuntu Developer Summit will be held between May 9th - 13th in Budapest, Hungary - See http://uds.ubuntu.com/ for more details	16:59
KM0201	oh ok	16:59
knome	Sysi, did you have a dualhead setup?	16:59
Sysi	i have	16:59
knome	Sysi, can you try something?	17:00
Sysi	not xubuntu stuff, but basically yes	17:00
knome	ugh well, then i don't know how meaningless it is, but let's try it	17:00
knome	open a terminal	17:00
knome	then maximise it	17:00
knome	does the other screen go black?	17:00
knome	(try maximising in screen 1, then screen 2)	17:01
knome	it happens with me when i open terminal in screen 2 and maximise	17:01
knome	if it's on screen 1 and i maximise it, nothing happens	17:01
Sysi	hum, i don't have xfce installed on this..	17:02
Sysi	if i had it would be 4.6	17:03
knome	bah	17:03
knome	how come you are so useless nowadays? ;)	17:04
Sysi	jockey.	17:04
knome	jockey what?	17:04
Sysi	jockey-gtk/Qt failed quite badly	17:04
knome	right...	17:04
Sysi	but i've started to think it maybe was lucid-only	17:05
knome	well, i still don't know why jockey says that a driver is installed, but not in use	17:05
Sysi	what is the name of nvidia module in natty?	17:06
aberhow	the main page, it is not updated!!!	17:07
drc	aberhow: true statement	17:07
Sysi	known bug :P	17:07
TheSheep	it's not a bug, it's a feature	17:09
knome	no, it's definitely a bug :P	17:09
* Sysi pokes webadmin		17:10
knome	not me	17:10
knome	pleia2, are you back from the holiday already?	17:11
pleia2	ah, yes	17:11
knome	(o hai)	17:11
pleia2	vinnl is our update-for-releases guy	17:11
pleia2	he'll have the proper text to add to it	17:11
Sysi	ugh, do i now have another broken memstick	17:14
Sysi	or is it just fedora..	17:14
knome	prolly just fedore :P	17:15
Sysi	i'll test on xubuntu	17:15
Sysi	ah, some /dev/zero does good	17:18
knome	:P	17:18
vabigoon	hi, i'm after system reinstallation, and my grub is "out of range" on my monitor, what should i do?	17:20
vabigoon	in xubuntu everything is ok	17:20
knome	!grub2	17:20
ubottu	GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)	17:20
knome	probably check the latter link, might have some information on configuring grub. maybe try a smaller resolution or something like that	17:21
Sysi	knome: would you like to check if nvidia-xconfig gives valid xorg.conf on natty? :P	17:25
knome	err	17:25
knome	in which way valid	17:25
Sysi	one that doesn't throw you to xorg error screen	17:25
knome	well...	17:25
knome	maybe later?	17:25
vabigoon	What is the equivalent of gedit in xfce?	17:26
Sysi	mousepad	17:26
vabigoon	thanks	17:26
drc	Sysi: I have a nvidia-xconfig xorg.conf already, want me to pastbin it?	17:27
Sysi	i guess/wish my current will work on xubuntu too	17:27
KM0201	is there a way to show a thunderbird applet in the panel, so when i get mail.... it alerts me?	17:31
drc	KM0201: Yes	17:32
drc	Add New Items> Mail Watcher	17:32
KM0201	drc: i can't find that option in thunderbirds options	17:32
KM0201	drc: that one doesn't work	17:32
Sysi	how about indicator-plugin	17:33
drc	KM0201: If we are talking about the same thing, it works for me.	17:34
KM0201	i've used the mail watcher before, it keeps giving me errors.	17:34
drc	KM0201: I has given me errors with gmail, but I just cut-n-paste the gmail server from T-Bird and all was fine	17:35
drc	KM0201: I use it with gmail and a private mail server	17:35
KM0201	drc: gmail is not the prob	17:36
KM0201	yahoo is	17:36
Sysi	that plugin is quite unmaintained for what i know	17:36
drc	Sysi: It maybe (and probably is), but is there an alternative?	17:37
Sysi	my guess would be something with indicator-applet	17:37
KM0201	Sysi: the problem is, the indicator applet installs a truckload of junk that i don't need	17:43
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Dice-Man	hello everybody	17:44
Dice-Man	i have some partition backup to do	17:45
Dice-Man	is the last xubuntu livecd is provided with partimage ?	17:45
vabigoon	it works :D thank you for that links, now i know how to change grub config and splashscreen ;D	17:46
charlie-tca	Dice-Man: not as a default application, but you can install it	17:47
Dice-Man	ok	17:51
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bigbrovar-L	Hi guys, new to xubuntu, was wondering if it were possible to use compiz with xfce?	17:55
bigbrovar-L	it use to be possible the last time I tried which was 2008 (some 200 years ago)	17:55
Sysi	it is, but you need emerald or something to draw window borders	17:55
bigbrovar-L	Sysi, cool thanks, and how do I get it activated and booted with the system? there dont seem to be a way to do that from a gui? (been using kde for close to 3 years so am a bit rusty with compiz and the likes)	17:56
bigbrovar-L	I just know I would need to disable the native compositor for xfwm	17:56
Sysi	settings → sessions and startup → autostart → add compiz --replace	17:57
Sysi	install ccsm too	17:57
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=== Thermi is now known as thermi
Sysi	can't test natty, need to seed it via torrent :/	18:13
beardygnome	hi all, anyone successfully upgraded from maverick to natty today?	18:14
beardygnome	i get "can not mark 'xubuntu-desktop' for upgrade" every time i try	18:14
beardygnome	can anyone suggest anything that might help me get around this?	18:14
Sysi	you're secon't to report that but i didn't notice a fix..	18:17
Sysi	you have maverick fully up-to-date?	18:17
charlie-tca	Do you have ubuntu-desktop installed also?	18:17
beardygnome	according to synaptic, all updates have been applied	18:17
beardygnome	charlie-tca: i'll check	18:18
charlie-tca	You can not have any other desktop for the upgrade to work	18:18
beardygnome	this should be an out-of-the-box maverick install	18:18
beardygnome	i have no other *-desktop package installed other than xubuntu-desktop	18:19
charlie-tca	try installing xfce4-application-indi	18:20
MK``	what was the first canonical-recognized xubuntu edition?	18:20
charlie-tca	try installing xfce4-application-indicator	18:20
charlie-tca	MK``: 6.06	18:20
MK``	thanks	18:21
charlie-tca	and, that was the first Xubuntu release	18:21
beardygnome	charlie-tca: xfce4-application-indicator is not a package that's available in synaptic	18:22
MK``	cool	18:22
charlie-tca	beardygnome: then I got the name wrong, let me find it	18:23
beardygnome	(I accidentally cleared the empathy window, so i may have got the package name wrong)	18:23
Sysi	xfce4-indicator-plugin maybe	18:23
beardygnome	Sysi: i have that installed already	18:23
MK``	wait, I can't upgrade if I have more than one desktop? :(	18:25
Sysi	only the *desktop-packages	18:25
Sysi	i'd think	18:25
MK``	I have 3 of them on here.	18:25
beardygnome	i've installed a few of the app-indicators recently, maybe i should remove them?	18:25
charlie-tca	beardygnome: you need to have xfce4-indicator-plugin instead of gnome/ubuntu indicator plugin	18:27
beardygnome	i have the xfce4 version installed	18:28
charlie-tca	encrypted home?	18:28
Arpad2	what this means? ' Failed to fetch http://hu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gs-cjk-resource/gs-cjk-resource_1.20100103-2_all.deb 403 Forbidden' ?	18:28
beardygnome	i'll check that i don't have the others	18:28
n2diy	Was Xubuntu 11.04 released today?	18:28
MK``	yes n2diy	18:28
charlie-tca	yes, see the topic	18:28
Sysi	Arpad2: some problem with mirror	18:28
beardygnome	charlie-tca: i have a fully encrypted home	18:28
beardygnome	is that an issue?	18:29
charlie-tca	I don't know, but I am starting to think so	18:29
Arpad2	Sysi: to try tomorrow again?	18:29
charlie-tca	Arpad2: means that mirror is updating. Try later or tomorrow	18:29
Arpad2	ok	18:29
charlie-tca	beardygnome: file a bug for that against update-manager, and note that /home is encrypted	18:30
Sysi	does so-release-upgrade work?	18:31
Sysi	do-*	18:31
n2diy	Is there a way to display hard drive activity on my desktop or panel?	18:31
beardygnome	Sysi: no, that gives the same error	18:32
beardygnome	apt.log shows lots of broken packages	18:32
IdleOne	charlie-tca: what is the link for the natty shorcuts?	18:53
charlie-tca	http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/28087#28087	18:54
IdleOne	thank you	18:55
charlie-tca	You are welcome	18:55
Dice-Man	charlie tango charlie	18:58
vabigoon	is there any way to delete the icons of unmounted disks from the desktop?	18:59
charlie-tca	vabigoon: not individually, but you can uncheck "removable drives" in menu -> Settings -> Desktop -> Icons	19:02
vabigoon	that possibility doesn't satisfied me because i've one partition which i want to see, only one :D	19:03
charlie-tca	:-(	19:05
vabigoon	i'll search, if i'll find something, i tell You	19:05
vabigoon	conditionals -_- , if i find something, i'll tell You :D	19:06
charlie-tca	I would appreciate that. I do not want all those partitions showing either, but that is the answer they gave me.	19:06
charlie-tca	Unfortunately, that also turns off the cd drive	19:07
Aey	where download new release xubuntu	19:09
charlie-tca	at the link in the topic	19:09
charlie-tca	http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/	19:10
Aey	try it error for download desktop 32 bit	19:10
charlie-tca	error when? It is downloading herre	19:12
Aey	Not Found	19:12
Aey	The requested URL /xubuntu/releases/natty/release/xubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso was not found on this server.	19:12
Aey	bolt	19:12
Sysi	torrents are better anyway :p	19:13
charlie-tca	um, that is not 32bit	19:13
Aey	same all	19:13
Aey	not found	19:14
charlie-tca	http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/xubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso	19:14
charlie-tca	every one downloads here	19:14
Aey	Not Found I try	19:15
charlie-tca	what is the full URL you are using?	19:15
Aey	http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/	19:15
charlie-tca	The links are working, maybe you have a busy connection from your location	19:16
Aey	I click PC (Intel x86) desktop CD	19:16
charlie-tca	and that takes you to a specific image to download	19:16
Aey	ok	19:17
Aey	I find it	19:17
charlie-tca	http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/xubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso	19:18
charlie-tca	click that link and download it	19:18
Aey	It Not found page	19:21
Aey	Not Found	19:21
Aey	The requested URL /xubuntu/releases/natty/release/xubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso was not found on this server.	19:21
Aey	try daily build?	19:22
Unit193	Even the link on the page is broken!	19:22
Aey	I see alternate list not see desktop	19:23
Unit193	Aey: I take it you don't want Alt or torrent?	19:24
Aey	want boot live CD	19:24
lojbaj	Aey: Can you use BitTorrent?	19:24
Aey	but it alternate BitTorrent	19:25
vabigoon	the most funny thing is that i set that partition to mount in fstab... and it disappeard from desktop by rebooting ;D	19:25
lojbaj	Aey: So you can use BitTorrent?	19:25
Aey	umm	19:26
Aey	maybe try daily build	19:26
Skaftafells	Hello to all of you! Is Xubuntu 11.04 stable going to be released today? Thanx	19:32
drc	Already is released.	19:32
charlie-tca	see the topic, please	19:33
Unit193	Aey: You can use the web torrent downloader: http://www.bitlet.org	19:33
Aey	check sum f1b224166bea923042e53b0e9d5ff63f *xubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso	19:36
Aey	78719bfee11576729a62b4a241d40b19 *xubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso	19:36
Aey	same daily build	19:37
charlie-tca	two different cd's	19:37
charlie-tca	amd64 is a 64bit version, i386 is a 32bit version	19:38
knome	Aey, amd64 vs i386	19:38
Skaftafells	Thank you. How to upgrade via the terminal?	19:38
Aey	I try 32 bit	19:38
Aey	64 bit some time app not support	19:38
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lojbaj	Skaftafells, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade	19:39
Aey	some drive	19:39
charlie-tca	Skaftafells: install the package update-manager-core if it is not already installed. Then execute the command sudo do-release-upgrade	19:39
lojbaj	oh, that's better	19:39
Skaftafells	charlie-tca, thank you	19:42
charlie-tca	no problem	19:42
charlie-tca	I suggest reading the release notes, though	19:42
Aey	I just switch xubuntu	19:47
Aey	It simple than ubuntu	19:47
charlie-tca	Aey: in some ways it is simpler, in some ways it can harder	19:49
Aey	um	19:52
vabigoon	is normal that i've session restored even if i don't want to have it? :(	19:53
charlie-tca	If you saved the session, then unchecked the box, yes	19:53
vabigoon	can i delete the session?	19:53
charlie-tca	yes, does anyone remember where the session was saved?	19:55
charlie-tca	vabigoon: delete ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml	19:58
vabigoon	thank you, now will try to reboot without opera popping out	20:00
Sysi	~/.cache/sessions ? or is that different	20:06
charlie-tca	I can't remember today	20:08
Dice-Man	err	20:09
Dice-Man	sorry to ask that	20:10
Dice-Man	but are there any desktop manager lighter than xfce ?	20:10
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knome	Dice-Man, lxde (lubuntu) is probably the next lightest	20:10
knome	Dice-Man, there are even lighther, but naturally you lose userfriendliness the lighter you go	20:11
Dice-Man	ok you confirm what i was previously thinking	20:11
gglitch	Question for the xubuntu crowd, and apologies if this data is staring me in the face somewhere - what version of xfce is shipping with 11.04?	20:13
Sysi	4.8	20:13
drc	4.8.0, iirc	20:13
gglitch	Thanks	20:14
Sysi	not really .0 since it has patches	20:14
drc	Sysi: But not .1 ?	20:14
Sysi	i'm not sure about the release numbers, but xubuntu should have all bugfixes	20:15
drc	Whatever the number, it's nice.	20:16
gglitch	Looks nice, on the xfce site.	20:16
Sysi	nice new stuff	20:17
drc	gglitch: And the Xubuntu team did a really nice job on the menu(s).	20:17
drc	Believe me, I looked hard for something to complain about...but had to settle for minute and really insignificant problems.	20:19
zenrox	drc, i agree i have looked hard for bugs and it is perfect	20:19
bin_bash	hello	20:21
gglitch	Lovely. I'm not much excited about Unity or G3, so XFCE is looking pretty ideal.	20:21
bin_bash	unity sucks and g3 doesnt run	20:22
Aey	gglitch me too	20:22
gglitch	I'm trying KDE. It's not exciting because it seems like 60%+ of the functionality is outside of my scope.	20:22
bin_bash	kde is horrible	20:22
gglitch	I'm not sure I'd call it horrible; it works for me and it's not ugly. It's just...far too much. Way more than I need or want to spend cycles on.	20:23
bin_bash	Yeah	20:23
bin_bash	xfce is cleaner	20:23
drc	Ah...another cycle-miser.	20:23
gglitch	haha	20:23
bin_bash	true or false: there's less support for 64 bit xubunty	20:24
zenrox	false	20:24
bin_bash	true or false: all my stuff will work on x64	20:24
zenrox	false	20:24
knome	err	20:24
Sysi	random propietary apps maybe need some tweaking but shouldn't be really problem	20:25
knome	wrong answer :P	20:25
zenrox	but can be worked around	20:25
Sysi	basically there isn't difference	20:25
Sysi	exept that flash is "beta"	20:25
bin_bash	Yes... so I've heard...	20:25
bin_bash	Which kernel is natty running on?	20:26
KM0201	Sysi: i dont' know there's "no difference".. there's some differences, but i don't think the differences are huge... some hardware, you ahve to admit, dos not have a 64bit lnux driver.	20:26
knome	flash doesn't work glitchlessly, but it's okay, if your life doesn't depend on it	20:26
charlie-tca	I been running 64bit for two years without a problem	20:26
Sysi	KM0201: 32bit binaries can be run on 64bit system	20:26
bin_bash	My life depends on youtube videos.	20:26
KM0201	is the difference very narrow?.. absolutely	20:26
bin_bash	hey KM0201 <3	20:26
Sysi	knome: flash doesn't work great on 32 either	20:26
knome	bin_bash, well i'd suggest working on improving your life then	20:27
bin_bash	How about skype	20:27
knome	;)	20:27
KM0201	Sysi: of course they can, but if you're going to install a 64bit system then d a bunch of workarounds to make 32bit drivers/software work, then what have you gained?	20:27
bin_bash	;)	20:27
KM0201	bin_bash: :)	20:27
Sysi	KM0201: RAM	20:27
charlie-tca	bin_bash: I show the kernel as 2.6.38.8.22.0	20:27
bin_bash	ok	20:27
KM0201	Sysi: i thnk she has exactly 4gigs of ram, iirc... so shes not gonna see a huge benefit from 64 vs 32	20:27
bin_bash	^	20:27
charlie-tca	but that is 64bit	20:28
bin_bash	I has 4 gigs	20:28
Sysi	well i have only 4GB but i still prefer 64	20:28
charlie-tca	32bit will only see 3.2gb	20:28
knome	if you have a 64-bit processor, i'd say install 64.	20:28
knome	even if you had 128MB ram.	20:28
KM0201	charlie-tca: the pae kernel will get installed automatically, and see all 4gigs.	20:28
bin_bash	This POS machine is brand new. I hate it	20:28
Sysi	knome: 64bit software uses a bit more ram but yeah, i would	20:28
gglitch	Point of sale?	20:28
gglitch	:)	20:29
KM0201	knome: my machine is "64b bit" but it only has 2gigs of ram... honestly I see no added benefit to using 64bit, so i stick w/ 32	20:29
bin_bash	Piece of S***	20:29
knome	Sysi, well isn't the idea in 64bit to buy as much ram as you can, so what's the problem ;)	20:29
KM0201	lol	20:29
knome	bin_bash, please watch your language, even obfuscated words. we're trying to keep the channel family friendly	20:29
bin_bash	oookay	20:30
knome	thanks	20:30
Sysi	KM0201: 64b should run a bit faster on it	20:30
bin_bash	Well maybe I'll just throw caution to the wind and install 64 bit	20:30
bin_bash	was sagt du?	20:30
Sysi	i don't say it's noticeable but it should	20:30
drc	The real 32 vs 64 question, for me, is what apps I use are really optimized for 64 bit (not merely compiled for it)?	20:30
knome	bin_bash, yeah, i'd say go for 64, and if it looks like nothing is working, use the extra time to go to 32 anyway	20:31
KM0201	Sysi: i've honestly had both on this machine, and saw no distinguishing difference.. other than the fact(back int he day) flash was a pain, multimedia codecs were a pain, any web plugin was a change.	20:31
KM0201	*pain	20:31
bin_bash	I'm really basic. I use irc and browsing and skype and pidgin.	20:31
bin_bash	So, konversation, firefox, pidgin, openoffice	20:31
Sysi	KM0201: i have never had any problems on 63 i haven't had on 32	20:31
Sysi	*64	20:31
KM0201	Sysi: how long have you been using ubuntu/linux?	20:31
Sysi	since hardy was released	20:32
bin_bash	The one problem I had on the basic ubuntu install was skype crashing	20:32
KM0201	Sysi: maybe thats part of the reasoning then, i remember some of the problems back w/ 5.10 and 6.06	20:32
bin_bash	KM0201: if I install 32 bit, I'll get the PAE kernel and be able to use all 4gigs?	20:32
knome	i've used 64 for years as well...	20:32
KM0201	and thats what forged my decision to use 32bit.	20:32
KM0201	bin_bash: yes, if you install 32bit, you'll get the PAE kernel, and it should see/use all 4gigs.	20:32
bin_bash	okay, then 32 it is.	20:33
Sysi	KM0201: ancient problems are ancient	20:33
drc	so is KM0201 ;)	20:33
KM0201	Sysi: unfortunately, i'm set in my ways, that d i admitted that above.	20:33
bin_bash	NOW COMES THE FUN OF MAKING ANOTHER USB!!!!!! :\|	20:33
* KM0201 will never own a mac..lol		20:33
zenrox	KM0201, me neather	20:34
bin_bash	KM0201: I was talking to my dad about it last night about how they had to replace my computer again and he offered to pay for me to exten my apple care, and I was like "no it's going to be like 200 bucks"	20:34
bin_bash	and he said "Well a new mac is like 2000"	20:34
bin_bash	and I was like "LOL I'm not ever getting another mac"	20:34
KM0201	lol	20:34
Pirkule	wierd problem here: I installed xubuntu on my acer aspire one using universal usb installer, now my computer won't give even the boot menu. is there anything I can do?	20:34
Sysi	bin_bash: too bad they're actually worth it :/	20:35
bin_bash	Sysi: Not really to me anymore	20:35
Sysi	Pirkule: it goes past BIOS?	20:35
Sysi	and what is	20:36
Pirkule	sysi, no I can't get to bios, it is completely black, nothing on the screen	20:36
Sysi	"universal usb installer"	20:36
Pirkule	find it by google... guesss it is similar to usb creator	20:36
Sysi	linux never touches the bios, HW problem or really hidden splashscreen	20:36
charlie-tca	Does the live desktop work with that usb installer?	20:37
Pirkule	yeah, i thought it must be hw problem, but wierd connection, since it worked with xp	20:37
Pirkule	i didn't try the live desktop	20:37
Pirkule	i just installed	20:38
bin_bash	Pirkule: It's likely that it's not compatible	20:38
bin_bash	Which release did you use?	20:38
Pirkule	10.10	20:38
bin_bash	hmm	20:39
bin_bash	Did you research that particular computer before installing?	20:39
drc	Pirkule: I'd try what charlie-tca suggested...boot to the liveUSB and see what happens	20:40
Pirkule	no i didn't =/	20:40
Pirkule	i can't boot to anything...	20:40
bin_bash	Pirkule: did you erase your other install?	20:40
Pirkule	i had win xp before and i just gave the xubuntu installer permission to overwrite it	20:40
bin_bash	well	20:41
charlie-tca	put the usb drive in, and boot. There should be a try before installing option on it	20:41
drc	Pirkule: You had to boot the liveUSB to install, right? Then Just use the "Try" rather than the "INstall"	20:41
bin_bash	Pirkule: Did you backup your xp partition?	20:41
mikeatvillage	BIOS screen, than black... no boot messages at all?	20:41
charlie-tca	10.10 you have to hold the right-shift key to see the grub menu	20:41
maolmuire	MY old dell would do that blank screen thing if I had a usb drive plugged in.	20:41
Pirkule	no, not even bios screen, nothing absolutely nothing	20:41
Pirkule	completely black all the time	20:42
bin_bash	No lights or anything?	20:42
Pirkule	power led	20:42
maolmuire	Would never get to teh bios screen.	20:42
charlie-tca	check the connectors	20:42
bin_bash	Unplug the USB and try	20:42
maolmuire	Make sure you've unplugged all usb drives, it can't hurt.	20:42
Pirkule	yes, tried that	20:42
bin_bash	congratulations. You may have bricked your computer.	20:42
KM0201	geez.	20:42
mikeatvillage	any HDD activity light?	20:43
Pirkule	it seems so XD	20:43
Pirkule	no activity on hdd	20:43
bin_bash	Try putting in a Windows install CD	20:43
Pirkule	it doesn't have cd drive	20:44
mikeatvillage	can you boot off your usb again?	20:44
Pirkule	no i can't	20:44
KM0201	that would be the most logical thing to do.	20:44
bin_bash	Well	20:44
KM0201	Pirkule: now that doesn't make any sense	20:44
Pirkule	i can't do anything except look at the power led =)	20:45
bin_bash	That sucks dude	20:45
KM0201	Pirkule: download the ISO on the computre you're on now, and re-create the USB.	20:45
lemonhaze	hey guys, does anyone know when xubuntu 11.04 will be released? I understood it was today?	20:45
charlie-tca	Read the topic please.	20:46
Pirkule	KM0201: ok, i will try that, but i don't have high hopes	20:46
mikeatvillage	I'm currently upgrading to 11.04	20:46
KM0201	lemonhaze: they prboably dont have the 11.04 iso's up yet, but it should be out.. if you upgrade 11.04 beta2, it will be current	20:46
charlie-tca	yes, 11.04 iso's are up	20:46
KM0201	xubuntu/kubuntu/lubuntu, always lag a bit behind ubuntu on getting the final version up	20:47
bin_bash	Pirkule: do you have any kind of CD drive or external HDD?	20:47
lemonhaze	charlie-tca: appologies I overlooked the topic	20:47
charlie-tca	Just read the topic, it gives the link even	20:47
Pirkule	i have external hdd	20:47
lemonhaze	yeah alright	20:47
lemonhaze	no need to go on about it	20:47
charlie-tca	Thanks, lemonhaze	20:47
lemonhaze	np charlie-tca	20:48
charlie-tca	Xubuntu has always had images up when the announcement goes out	20:48
bin_bash	Pirkule: you can try booting from an external	20:48
KM0201	charlie-tca: really?.. i've never noticed that... it's always been behind as long as i can remember	20:48
Pirkule	ok, got to try that also	20:48
charlie-tca	no, it hasn't, at least not since 7.04	20:49
bin_bash	KM0201: yeah it is a little behind. not in the announcements yet lol	20:49
KM0201	charlie-tca: well, today its lagging behind	20:49
charlie-tca	no	20:49
bin_bash	KM0201: should I try the ubuntu 11.04 cd and the xubuntu usb?	20:49
bin_bash	might be fun	20:49
KM0201	charlie-tca: have you looked at their website?	20:49
charlie-tca	I run it	20:49
KM0201	bin_bash: i would.. i think it will work fine	20:49
bin_bash	and if not then i'll burn a cd	20:49
charlie-tca	Why would you insist on telling the project leader he's wrong?	20:49
KM0201	charlie-tca: ok.. i'm not dyslexic, and i'm looking where it says "10.10 codename maverick meercat (latest stable version)"	20:50
maolmuire	Pirkule, try unplugging the box, all cables for 30 seconds or so, make sure it is completely powered off. Then re-connect and try booting again.	20:50
bin_bash	charlie-tca: I was just on there. It's not on the announcemens is all I said	20:50
KM0201	charlie-tca: i'm not insisting you're wrong, i'm insisiting i know how to read	20:50
charlie-tca	I said topic, where we give the most current link to 11.04	20:50
KM0201	charlie-tca: and i was talking about the website	20:50
charlie-tca	Did I miss something in the topic that said go to the website?	20:50
KM0201	i didn't say squat about the topic	20:50
bin_bash	charlie-tca: dude... we're talking about the website	20:51
charlie-tca	Website is behind because IS is working on it	20:51
KM0201	get so freakin defensive and you don't know what the heck you're talking about	20:51
charlie-tca	We can not update until they finish	20:51
bin_bash	We're not complaining	20:51
bin_bash	Just observing	20:51
charlie-tca	KM0201: if you really believe that, you do not belong here	20:51
bin_bash	jesus christ.	20:51
knome	please, let's all calm down.	20:51
charlie-tca	!language \| bin_bash	20:51
ubottu	bin_bash: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.	20:51
KM0201	charlie-tca: if you had read what i said, i said nothing about the topic, i said the website always lags behind a bit...	20:51
bin_bash	I didn't say anything bad...	20:52
KM0201	i know 11.04 is current, i'm not stupid.. i'm using it.	20:52
bin_bash	9 minutes and then I can spend another 20 making the USB	20:52
charlie-tca	Then please don't tell people they have to download the beta. You should know the final is out	20:52
zenrox	i updated my usb drive earlyer	20:53
KM0201	charlie-tca: ?... i was looking at the web site... and all i said was.. "if you download the beta and update it, you'll be current"... is that not accurate?	20:53
bin_bash	Oh, KM0201 dude. I tried UNetbootin	20:53
bin_bash	And it didn't even work LOL	20:53
mikeatvillage	I will be using it in 2 hours, no, wait... 5 hours. No, wrong again 1 hour 23 mins... oops no, 3 hours... :-)	20:53
KM0201	bin_bash: lol, your poor mac...lol	20:53
charlie-tca	Why shouldn't they just download the final image and not have to install 300 or so upgrades?	20:54
bin_bash	It was like "This won't work in OS X"	20:54
KM0201	charlie-tca: i think somehow you've misconstrued what i aid, you realy need to go back, adn reread what i've said.	20:54
bin_bash	I was like "WHY THIS IS THE OS X VERSION"	20:54
KM0201	before you start attacking	20:54
bin_bash	Let's everybody calm down and have some sammiches	20:54
charlie-tca	I did read it. I gave a way to get the final version only to see you say "download beta2".	20:55
Sysi	i tried to make actual xubuntu installation to run from usb-stick, i think al almost did it	20:55
charlie-tca	bin_bash: unetbootin is broken again?	20:55
bin_bash	No, just this stupid computer	20:55
Sysi	it maybe would have worked with rEFIt	20:55
KM0201	charlie-tca: will downloading the beta2 iso(on xubuntu.org) and updating it.. not get you to what everyone is currently up right njow?... againl you're talking about the topic, i'm talking about the website.	20:55
charlie-tca	You get to download twice or three times as much. Why do that to people?	20:56
Sysi	KM0201: it doesn't make doing it less stupid	20:56
* drc looks to see if he got to #club-ubuntu by mistake.		20:56
KM0201	Sysi: i was talkign bout the website lagging behind, period, nothing less... so if thats stupid, then talk to the website devs for xubuntu.org	20:56
Sysi	i i'll get that macbook defragged, it will run xubuntu	20:56
KM0201	i have no idea why this is such an issue..	20:57
TheSheep	KM0201: do you have anything else we can help you with?	20:57
KM0201	TheSheep: i wasn't having a problem, i was helping bin w/ her issue	20:57
jozefk	I just installed 11.04 and choose the option to download updates during installation. now after installation I change the repo server to france and reload. didn't get any error but no more updates. .is that fine?	20:57
KM0201	jozefk: so you're up to date.	20:57
TheSheep	KM0201: that's awesome, do you have a problem that we can help you with NOW?	20:57
bin_bash	Sysi: I don't see why defragging has anything to do with it	20:57
KM0201	TheSheep: other than i hae no idea why charlie-tca freaked out on me, no.	20:58
jozefk	why no error no error on reload?	20:58
Sysi	bin_bash: partitioning (bootcamp) fails now	20:58
bin_bash	really	20:58
bin_bash	Which Macbook	20:58
jozefk	on*	20:58
TheSheep	KM0201: Fantastic. Let's conecntrate on helping users. Thank you.	20:58
Sysi	bin_bash: about one year old basic macbook, HDD filed and then removed everything, similar maybe several times	20:58
Sysi	*filled	20:59
bin_bash	hmmm interesting	20:59
bin_bash	Have you tried using gedit?	20:59
bin_bash	errrr	20:59
bin_bash	gparted	20:59
Sysi	nope, just following instructions	20:59
bin_bash	Sysi: is this your first linux experience?	21:00
Sysi	it should anyway be easy to fix with CCC	21:00
bin_bash	I like using gparted to partition	21:00
Sysi	bin_bash: i've used linux for little over two years, my GF haven't	21:00
bin_bash	Ah ok	21:00
bin_bash	Is this your first time installing it on a mac, then	21:00
Sysi	and i haven't used EFI-machine	21:00
bin_bash	Sysi: Okay. Don't use the EFI boot	21:01
Sysi	what do you mean?	21:01
bin_bash	Did you install rEFIt already?	21:01
Sysi	nope	21:01
bin_bash	Okay. Good.	21:02
jozefk	can xubuntu play mp3, avi, vob, divx by default or I need to install something first?	21:02
Sysi	mactel guides are pretty good, i think i'll get it done after trick with CCC	21:02
Sysi	if she lets me tou touch that laptop again	21:02
bin_bash	Sysi: partition with gedit	21:02
Sysi	jozefk: install xubuntu-restricted-extras	21:02
bin_bash	gparted	21:02
bin_bash	wtf	21:02
bin_bash	is wrong with me	21:02
knome	bin_bash, again, watch your language, even with abbreviations...	21:03
bin_bash	Sorry.	21:03
jozefk	server in france is so fast for me :)	21:03
Sysi	bin_bash: it can work even if bootcamp gives "can't move some files"-error?	21:03
bin_bash	Sysi: How big is the harddrive	21:03
Sysi	plenty of free space	21:03
jozefk	thanks Sysi that was exactly what I needed	21:04
bin_bash	Sysi: Have you tried partitioning using disk utility instead of boot camp?	21:05
mikeatvillage	I don't know where my upgrade is coming from but it's telling me anything between 1hr 10m to 4hr 45m getting packages :-(	21:06
jozefk	which office is available for xubuntu? openoffice or libreoffice?	21:06
charlie-tca	libreoffice in 11.04	21:07
charlie-tca	OpenOffice in anything older	21:07
jozefk	nice	21:07
jozefk	:)	21:07
bin_bash	charlie-tca: no openoffice in 11.04?	21:07
charlie-tca	mikeatvillage: it depends on the speed of the connection usually	21:07
charlie-tca	bin_bash: nope, Ubuntu moved to libreoffice	21:08
jozefk	good idea	21:08
jozefk	about moving to libreoffice	21:08
Unit193	charlie-tca, I thought Xubuntu had gnome(?) office (gnumeric, abiword)	21:08
bin_bash	=/	21:08
charlie-tca	bin_bash: libreoffice has most of the changes ubuntu was making to openoffice, so it makes it a bit easier to use	21:09
mikeatvillage	charlie-tca: I'm out in the sticks and well accustomed to these d/l speeds :-)	21:09
bin_bash	hm ok	21:09
charlie-tca	Xubuntu does use gnumeric and abiword, but the user can install libreoffice if desired	21:09
charlie-tca	mikeatvillage: I got one takes 5 hours to download the upgrades, then more time to install everything	21:10
jozefk	this distro is amazing	21:10
uofm49426	help	21:11
Sysi	pop a question and we give ansver	21:11
uofm49426	how do i edit Videoram on 50-wacom.conf	21:12
jozefk	I can have 1920x1080 resolution + pulseaudio is working and I can have sound on all speakers 5+1. and above all it's XFCE! perfect :)	21:12
uofm49426	there is no xorg.conf anymore for me to VideoRam "130560"	21:13
uofm49426	for my 128 mb of ram to my i915	21:14
Sysi	you need to log in to virtual console and run Xorg-configure	21:15
uofm49426	how	21:17
jozefk	Ctrl+Alt+F2 maybe	21:18
jozefk	or change the init	21:18
Sysi	i think there is how-to somewhere	21:19
jozefk	no skype for xubuntu?	21:19
uofm49426	how do i run a virtual console	21:20
jozefk	Ctrl+Alt+F2 I think	21:20
Sysi	jozefk: same skype as in ubuntu	21:20
jozefk	come back with Ctrl+Alt+F7	21:20
jozefk	I don't see skype in repo	21:21
charlie-tca	!skype	21:21
ubottu	To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto - Please use open protocols instead if you can, see !Ekiga	21:21
Sysi	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973	21:22
jozefk	ekiga is blocked in this country. even skype but skype is working. skype-to-skype is working	21:22
uofm49426	xorg-configure coomand not found	21:22
KM0201	jozefk: where are you that they block ekiga?	21:23
jozefk	UAE	21:23
KM0201	oh ok	21:23
jozefk	they block all VoIP SIP and anything alike...	21:23
KM0201	i wasn't aware that skype was blacklisted there...	21:23
jozefk	sucks the big one :)	21:23
jozefk	skype.com is blocked. the whole domain	21:24
KM0201	oh ok... but if you get the .deb, it works?	21:24
jozefk	but if I intall it it works. except that you can't call phones from it	21:24
KM0201	i see..	21:24
jozefk	before it was working for calls also but no more :)	21:25
KM0201	hm	21:25
KM0201	jozefk: was you able to download the .deb for skype?	21:31
jozefk	I forgot to open that link but if I need to download the deb file from skype.com it's not possible here	21:32
jozefk	I'll check the link now	21:33
jozefk	that instructions are for ubuntu	21:35
Sysi	doesn't matter	21:35
KM0201	jozefk: your'e not using ubuntu?	21:35
jozefk	lol this is xubuntu	21:35
KM0201	ubuntu/xubuntu it's like a hot chick.. .she's still hot in a different dress	21:35
jozefk	hahah	21:36
KM0201	same underneath	21:36
mikeatvillage	lol	21:36
jozefk	I think I need to enable canonnical partner repo first	21:36
KM0201	jozefk: probably	21:37
bin_bash	KM0201: Making these USBs isn't as hard the 5th or 6th time.	21:37
KM0201	bin_bash: lol.. now you know why in grade school teachers made you write spelling lists.	21:38
KM0201	lol	21:38
* nonix4 ponders where to find xubuntu mirrors w/ 11.04...		21:38
bin_bash	I'm alwas like "KLHEWSEFJESKFELWJASK WHY SO CASE SENSITIVE"	21:38
KM0201	lol	21:38
KM0201	nonix4: topic	21:38
KM0201	nonix4: but for Gods sake, don't say you can't see them ont he website	21:39
bin_bash	LOL	21:39
nonix4	KM0201: don't see any mention of mirrors on that site, only cdimage which is overloaded and torrents which are underseeded :)	21:39
Sysi	bin_bash: how you're making mac-sticks, refit or something else?	21:39
bin_bash	Sysi: terminal	21:40
nonix4	(usual ubuntu mirrors only seem to have ubuntu & kubuntu atm, no xubuntu)	21:40
Sysi	torrent should work okay	21:40
bin_bash	nonix4: see the topic	21:40
KM0201	nonix4: looks like the only thing on the link in the topic, is the alt. cds	21:40
charlie-tca	IS is working on the xubuntu website, and until they get done, we can't add the mirrors to it	21:40
jozefk	skype installed	21:41
charlie-tca	http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/ has both desktop and alternate, jigdo and torrent along with the iso files	21:41
KM0201	jozefk: \o/oot	21:41
jozefk	I think I'm complete now :)	21:41
jozefk	if no errors on reload/updates in the future, this distro will last long :))	21:42
mikeatvillage	(I'm _still_ upgrading)	21:44
KM0201	jozefk: been 11.04 for about 5 weeks, i've had no problems that weren't self induced	21:44
bigbrovar	HI guys, got couple of question about xubuntu, 1, does xubuntu come with pulse audio? two are there any tool for xfce for configuring bluetooth?	21:45
mikeatvillage	yes, to pulse audio	21:45
KM0201	bigbrovar: yes it comes w/ pulse audio, and i'm pretty sure there's bluetooth tools (not sure if they are there by default though)	21:45
Sysi	i think bluez is installed by default	21:46
Sysi	if not, blueman works	21:46
bin_bash	okay brb tryan this	21:46
bin_bash	Sysi: I'll be back in a few if you have anymore mac questions	21:46
KM0201	lol	21:46
KM0201	then she can confuse you some more	21:46
bigbrovar	thanks	21:46
KM0201	bigbrovar: if they aren't installed out of the box.. they should be easy enough to install, assuming you have internet access	21:47
jozefk	I forgot about chrome. does it works with xubuntu?	21:47
KM0201	jozefk: it should.. i don't see why it wuldn't.	21:47
Sysi	chromium-browser is in repositories and chrome works too	21:48
KM0201	jozefk: xubuntu.. is ubuntu.. if you can do it with ubuntu, you can do it w/ xubuntu..	21:48
mikeatvillage	yes, chromium and chrome work OK	21:48
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KM0201	the tools might be different, or you may do it in a slightly different(GUI) way, but it will work.	21:48
jozefk	I see chromium but not chrome there	21:48
KM0201	jozefk: chromium is the open source version of chrome	21:48
jozefk	I know that	21:48
KM0201	if you want chrome, download the .deb from google	21:48
jozefk	but i like chrome :)	21:49
KM0201	jozefk: they're the same browser.. youw ouldn't know the difference if soemone didn't tell you (at least i never saw a difference)	21:49
Sysi	it lacks the shiny pdf-opening but otherly totally same	21:49
KM0201	Sysi: ah, so there is a difference	21:49
bigbrovar	KM0201, Thanks, I use to use blueman a while back, so am quite comfy with it	21:49
KM0201	bigbrovar: ok.. so you shouldn't have an issue then.	21:50
Sysi	it also includes flash, what isn't necessarily good (and it's in the repositories anyway)	21:50
jozefk	by the way what's the default PDF reader?	21:50
KM0201	jozefk: evince i think	21:50
Sysi	evince it is	21:50
KM0201	gonna say,l if youd on't know, go download obama's birth-cert and find out..lol.. you can find that anywhere	21:50
jozefk	I don't see evince anywhere	21:51
jozefk	maybe it's hidden :)	21:51
KM0201	jozefk: it is.. download a pDF and open it.. and it will come up like magic	21:51
KM0201	well, bin_bash just signed back on to AIM very quickly,l so I'm guessing her USB didn't work..lol	21:52
KM0201	i'm guessing that didn't work?	21:52
bin_bash	lolno	21:53
bin_bash	gotta burn a cd	21:53
KM0201	freakin macs	21:53
bin_bash	iknorite?	21:53
jozefk	parole media player can't play .m2t files	21:53
bin_bash	jozefk: get mbp	21:53
bin_bash	mbd	21:53
Sysi	try VLC or mplayer	21:53
jozefk	mbp mbd what are those?	21:54
bin_bash	mdp is a typo for mbd	21:54
bin_bash	!mbd	21:54
jozefk	lol	21:54
Sysi	!info mbd	21:54
ubottu	Package mbd does not exist in natty	21:54
bin_bash	ew	21:54
bin_bash	!info moc	21:54
Sysi	so mplayer	21:54
ubottu	moc (source: moc): ncurses based console audio player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.5.0~alpha4+svn20091009-1build4 (natty), package size 219 kB, installed size 644 kB	21:54
jozefk	vlc will be fine I think	21:55
Sysi	vlc is good	21:55
bin_bash	vlc is a decent ui-based player. what about totem	21:55
Sysi	totem isn't better than parole	21:55
jozefk	i don't care what app it is as long as can watch videos.	21:56
jozefk	I*	21:56
bin_bash	vlc then	21:56
bin_bash	!info vlc	21:56
ubottu	vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.9-1ubuntu1 (natty), package size 1374 kB, installed size 3536 kB	21:56
jozefk	yes downloaded	21:56
bin_bash	!info mpd	21:56
ubottu	mpd (source: mpd): Music Player Daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.16.1-1ubuntu1 (natty), package size 202 kB, installed size 588 kB	21:56
bin_bash	that's it. mpd	21:56
jozefk	that's music player	21:56
bin_bash	I know	21:57
bin_bash	I was looking for myself	21:57
Sysi	i like simple players but still every CLI-one sucks	21:57
jozefk	there are some good cli music players	21:57
bin_bash	mpd doesnt seem bad	21:57
Sysi	mpd is just the daemon	21:57
jozefk	but I haven't use them for long long time	21:57
KM0201	i like audacious... for playing music... small foot print, easy to set up playlists, etc..	21:58
Sysi	there might be some good frontend but i don't like that daemon-style	21:58
jozefk	banshee, audacious both are nice	21:58
bin_bash	mehhh banshee is not so great	21:58
bin_bash	what was that one that came with 10.04	21:59
jozefk	why not? banshee looks nice :)	21:59
bin_bash	it's so bloated	21:59
jozefk	ah yeah it is but works nice	22:00
KM0201	anybody remember xmms?	22:00
jozefk	I do	22:01
jozefk	:)	22:01
KM0201	i think xmms2 is CLI now... if you're interested in command line	22:01
jozefk	xmms looks like winamp I think	22:01
bin_bash	omg hurry up and veirfy	22:01
bin_bash	jeez	22:01
KM0201	lol	22:01
KM0201	patience is a virtue	22:01
bin_bash	tbh making the img and then putting it on a usb takes less time	22:01
KM0201	bin_bash: yes, it does.. i can't understand why you have to make both though.. seems a little weird	22:02
Ceron^_	hi, how do i setup remote desktop in xubuntu i have been trying to figure that out for about 3 hours now	22:02
bin_bash	it's because it initially read the drive, but then the drivers don't exist for linux, so it's like "uhhh I don't see anything here"	22:02
KM0201	Ceron^_: 3hrs?... are they all on the same network?	22:02
bin_bash	"Oh wait. yeah, there's a live desktop on a USB"	22:02
Ceron^_	KM0201: yeah i just need a remote desktop to access my xubuntu box	22:03
Sysi	Ceron^_: install vino and connect via some vnc client	22:03
KM0201	bin_bash: lol	22:03
Ceron^_	it doesnt let me	22:03
Ceron^_	i installed vino i got it running but my pc doesnt connect to it	22:03
Sysi	you have right ip?	22:03
Ceron^_	yeah	22:03
Sysi	what error?	22:03
KM0201	Ceron^_: i'm going to assume you've got some sort of vncserver running on the xubuntu box, right?	22:03
bin_bash	kkbrbagain	22:03
Ceron^_	timed out	22:03
Sysi	firewall?	22:04
Ceron^_	nope	22:04
Ceron^_	ufw off	22:04
Ceron^_	on all pc's	22:04
KM0201	hmm	22:04
Ceron^_	anyone else using vino-server on xubuntu 10.10?	22:04
KM0201	Ceron^_: just install teamviewer on each one.. lol.	22:04
Ceron^_	teamviewer crashes	22:04
KM0201	really?	22:04
Ceron^_	yeah	22:04
KM0201	hmm, no probs here	22:04
Ceron^_	...	22:04
Ceron^_	how hard can it be to setup a remote desktop on a xubuntu machine	22:05
KM0201	Ceron^_: well, to be truthful, its not	22:05
Ceron^_	thats actually working	22:05
KM0201	but you need to make sure the server is working.	22:05
Ceron^_	well it says its listening	22:05
KM0201	its probably not running as a server	22:05
Ceron^_	on 5900	22:05
KM0201	hmm	22:05
Ceron^_	with netstat	22:05
KM0201	Ceron^_: is port 5900 open on your router?	22:05
Ceron^_	i am on same LAN	22:06
Ceron^_	no firewalls	22:06
Ceron^_	what vnc client should i use?	22:06
Ceron^_	for vino?	22:06
KM0201	i always just use tsc.. but i'm sure there's others	22:06
Sysi	shouldn't matter if it's working one.. remmina or vinagre for xfce	22:06
Ceron^_	it says failed to connect from my windows pc	22:15
Ceron^_	when i try to connect to vino server using ultravnc viewer	22:15
Ceron^_	or tightvnc viewer	22:15
Ceron^_	or vnc4viewer	22:15
Ceron^_	ip::5900 / ip:5900	22:15
KM0201	sounds like there isn't a server running on the xubuntu box	22:15
Ceron^_	netstat on the xubuntu machine shows listening on 5900	22:16
Sysi	you could try something else than vino	22:16
Ceron^_	i can access the vino server on the xubuntu machine itself	22:16
Sysi	and check ip again, ifconfig	22:16
Ceron^_	yeh the ip is correct i can use ssh	22:16
Ceron^_	Sysi: got any recommendations what i could try	22:16
Sysi	apt-cache search vnc :b	22:17
Sysi	i shortly tried it year ago	22:17
Ceron^_	..	22:17
knome	x11vnc is working, if you are okay with CLI	22:18
Ceron^_	nah i need the xfce native	22:19
Ceron^_	interface working	22:19
Ceron^_	i prefer 1:1 native display sharing	22:19
zenrox	is it bhind a firewall	22:19
Ceron^_	its inside internal lan	22:20
Ceron^_	i use it locally	22:20
Ceron^_	from windows pc -> access xubuntu "server"	22:20
zenrox	do you have a firewall running on the server side	22:20
Ceron^_	ufw is off	22:20
Ceron^_	xubuntu 10.10 default installation	22:20
zenrox	what about windows	22:21
Sysi	well vino is actually gnome	22:21
Ceron^_	yeah, so i need xfce vnc server	22:21
mikeatvillage	I thought it ran on port 5800, and port 5900 for accessing the vncserver from a browser ?	22:22
mikeatvillage	(5800 to get to it with vncviewer that is)	22:23
Unit193	mikeatvillage: Switch the ports and you're correct	22:23
mikeatvillage	Thanks Unit123, I always forget them :-) I never put the port number on the end of the clientname or ip address of the vncserver, I just accept whatever it think its default is :-))	22:25
mikeatvillage	Oh, I owe you 270 lol	22:26
Unit193	You could do: x11vnc -safer -forever -display :0 (if it's installed)	22:26
Ceron^_	Unit193: what does that do?	22:27
Unit193	Starts a VNC server	22:27
Unit193	^^^ That puts it up with NO password!!	22:27
Ceron^_	with what properties?	22:27
Ceron^_	does it show my xfce desktop?	22:27
Ceron^_	:)	22:27
Unit193	Does for me...	22:28
Ceron^_	:O	22:28
KM0201	you'll wanna password protect that, if youv'e got port frwarding tot hat desktop, and it can be contacted from the outside	22:28
tomasz	hi all	22:28
KM0201	yo	22:28
tomasz	11.04 is relased ?	22:28
tomasz	xubuntu	22:28
Sysi	yup	22:28
KM0201	indeed	22:28
tomasz	becous dont see on official site	22:28
mikeatvillage	yup, I'm _still_ upgrading :-))	22:29
tomasz	ok :)	22:29
Ceron^_	whats new with xubuntu 11.04?	22:29
Ceron^_	is it worth upgrading?	22:29
tomasz	new kernel	22:29
Ceron^_	stable?	22:29
pleia2	xfce 4.8 (rather than 4.6) is pretty shiny	22:29
tomasz	yes	22:29
Sysi	all new software, totally different xfce	22:29
Unit193	Ceron^_: -usepw if you want a password (I would say for testing you don't ned to use one)	22:29
Ceron^_	im just afraid that it will break my zoneminder setup	22:30
Ceron^_	if i upgrade to 11.04	22:30
Ceron^_	:D	22:30
Sysi	if you have working system and you like it, don't upgrade	22:30
tomasz	i have now unity but think about xfce	22:31
DingTo	hey	22:31
Ceron^_	Unit193: NICe thx	22:32
tomasz	some body put on youtube video about xubuntu 11.04 ?	22:32
KM0201	tomasz: a video about what?	22:35
KM0201	why is the icion for XFCE, a mouse? How did that come about	22:48
KM0201	bueller.... bueller?	22:49
knome	KM0201, probably better to ask #xfce about that	22:49
KM0201	hmm, ok	22:49
bin_bash	Hello. Question: How can I disable the touch-click on my touchpad? There's no option under "mouse" and there's no trackpad settings option	22:50
knome	bin_bash, have you tried gsynaptics	22:50
bin_bash	knome. No. I'm still isntalling.	22:50
KM0201	!synaptics	22:50
ubottu	For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad	22:50
KM0201	i didnj't think synaptics was around anymore	22:50
tomasz	video about work of new xubunru	22:51
knome	tomasz, have you maybe tried to search youtube with 'xubuntu 11.04'?	22:51
KM0201	tomasz: there's probably youtube videos of xubuntu in action..	22:52
* KM0201 remembers he wanted to install recordmydesktop		22:52
jozefk	it's freezing	22:53
jozefk	xfce is freezing	22:53
KM0201	brb.. dog needs out	22:54
jozefk	I think it's time to clean my PC or just to get reed of it. everything start freezing on it. KDE and XFCE. only gnome worked so far but gnome3 sucks so I'll not use that :)	22:55
KM0201	jozefk: gnome 3 doesn't suck, when properly implemented... it doesn't work well w/ ubuntu, but if you check out gnome3.org, and look at a couple of live cds they have there(base don fedora and opensuse) it's pretty good.. but anyway.. how are you attempting to install, cd or usb?	22:58
Unit193	jozefk: PC specs?	22:59
KM0201	fwiw, i think gnome 3 is properly implemented(probably 11.10) it's gonna be fine	22:59
jozefk	PIV 3.2GHz HT Intel Graphic on MoBo, 2GB DDR2 RAM	23:00
jozefk	I will not use gnome 3 :)	23:00
Ceron^_	Unit193: lol now it stopped working?	23:00
jozefk	I would go for KDE but it was freezing	23:00
Ceron^_	does xubuntu have somekind of firewall	23:00
Ceron^_	i am unaware off?	23:00
jozefk	now XFCE is also freezing	23:01
KM0201	jozefk: ok... how are you attemptingm to install, usb or cd?	23:01
KM0201	kde... ::shutters::	23:01
jozefk	I think this is the end of this PC :)	23:01
Unit193	Ceron^_: It was working?	23:01
Ceron^_	yeah same command	23:01
Ceron^_	now it doesnt work wtf..	23:01
KM0201	jozefk: i doubt it... but you could have an underlying hardware problem that is causing this.	23:01
jozefk	like what?	23:01
DarkEra	Maybe a bit late but on the behalf of me and buddy of mine: Congrats with the new Xubuntu release Xubuntu-team. Looking great and runs very well. Thanks	23:02
jozefk	dust on memory or what?	23:02
KM0201	jozefk: to be honest, the laptop i am on now, isn't near as powerful as your machine, and has less ram, and 11.04 is running fine	23:02
KM0201	jozefk: i said could be... now answer my question, how are you installing, from usb or cd	23:02
jozefk	I installed everything from CD	23:02
KM0201	jozefk: ok.	23:03
KM0201	jozefk: if it were me... i would try the alternate install cd.. and if you're trying 64bit, i would try 32bit..	23:03
KM0201	jozefk: also, when you burn the CD, burn SLOWLY...	23:03
jozefk	no I use 32bit on this machine	23:03
KM0201	ok.. thats finje	23:03
KM0201	*fine	23:03
jozefk	I burned 4x to RW	23:04
KM0201	jozefk: ok, i would try the alt. install cd, have you ever used it?	23:04
jozefk	but this happened with other distros also. now only kbuntu and xubuntu	23:04
jozefk	never used the alt. cd	23:05
Unit193	Ceron^_: The computer is still responsive? Logged in? What does that command give you now?	23:05
jozefk	not only*	23:05
KM0201	jozefk: sometims if you have some hardware that is giving the live cd fits...	23:05
KM0201	the alt cd will get the system installed..	23:05
KM0201	!alternate \| jozefk	23:05
ubottu	jozefk: The Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download#alternate - See also !minimal	23:05
Ceron^_	Unit193: the computer responds just fine	23:05
Ceron^_	with ssh	23:05
Ceron^_	all the time	23:05
KM0201	jozefk: as long as you're familiar w/ the install process, the alt cd will not be difficult for you	23:06
Ceron^_	29/04/2011 01:04:27 Autoprobing TCP port	23:06
Ceron^_	29/04/2011 01:04:27 Autoprobing selected port 5900	23:06
Ceron^_	29/04/2011 01:04:27 Listening also on IPv6 port 5900 (socket 10)	23:06
jozefk	it's not about hardware support I think. it's more about some hardware defect or failure. I don't know	23:06
Ceron^_	The VNC desktop is: ultrazoner:0	23:06
Ceron^_	PORT=5900	23:06
Ceron^_	there	23:06
Unit193	Ceron^_: I had it where X had issues but SSH worked fine	23:06
Ceron^_	Unit193: ?	23:06
jozefk	might be I need to clean it or something.	23:06
Ceron^_	what kind of problems?	23:06
MK``	How's Xubuntu 11.04 going? :) Stable enough to be recommended	23:07
KM0201	jozefk: very unlikely...	23:07
MK``	?*	23:07
charlie-tca	jozefk: have you ever run the memory test on that machine?	23:07
KM0201	the only thing a "dirty" pc can really cause, is heat buildup... and most the time, the PC will shut down when it gets to hot.;	23:07
jozefk	didn't run memory test for long time	23:07
KM0201	memory test is another good idea.. as freezing is a good sign of bad ram..	23:07
drc	MK``: Rock stable for the past couple of weeks on my machine.	23:07
Unit193	Ceron^_: As long as you can move the mouse and click things, you don't have it	23:07
jozefk	it's not shutting down	23:07
charlie-tca	run is until it finishes, it takes a few hours	23:07
Ceron^_	its wierd cause its listening	23:08
jozefk	from xubuntu live cd?	23:08
Ceron^_	on port 5900 right now	23:08
Ceron^_	but it just wont connect	23:08
Ceron^_	says timed out	23:08
Ceron^_	when i try	23:08
KM0201	jozefk: if its not shuttingj down, its very unlikely its heat or because the pc is "dirty"	23:08
charlie-tca	that or the grub menu,. either one	23:08
jozefk	there is no grub menu, linux is the only one os here	23:09
Unit193	Ceron^_: Connection timeout? Try to ping it (are you using it's name or IP?)	23:09
charlie-tca	just hold right shift at the end of the bios checks, you should get a menu	23:09
Ceron^_	hmmph	23:09
Ceron^_	wierd	23:09
Ceron^_	netstat doesnt show it listening	23:09
jozefk	how many hours approximately?	23:09
charlie-tca	somewhere between 3 and 6	23:10
jozefk	ok then i need to start right now	23:10
jozefk	is there any log or the PC will wait with results?	23:10
Ceron^_	Unit193: yeah now x11vnc is not showing up on netstat	23:11
charlie-tca	I believe it will show the results on screen	23:12
Ceron^_	ok now it works :p	23:12
Ceron^_	just had to add network ip and another port	23:12
jozefk	and wait for me to wake up in the morning? screen will not be gone?	23:13
Unit193	!vnc \| Ceron^_	23:13
ubottu	Ceron^_: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX	23:13
jozefk	anyway I'll try and see	23:13
jozefk	thanks. it might be helpful.	23:14
charlie-tca	jozefk: correct, screen should not be gone even after all night	23:14
jozefk	if the RAM is fine then maybe the graphic on MoBo is the problem	23:14
KM0201	jozefk: i'd try the alt cd, but thast my opinimon.	23:14
jozefk	I can always try alt CD later	23:15
KM0201	jozefk: thats what i would do.. if you're familiar w/ the process of installing linux, it will be easy for you.	23:15
KM0201	but just keep in mind, its all text based	23:15
KM0201	if you need help, come here on another laptop and we can help you	23:15
jozefk	I don't mind if it is text as long as it's not too complicated as Arch for example or gentoo or slackware	23:16
KM0201	jozefk: its really not that difficult.	23:16
jozefk	then no problem. i'll try memtest now	23:17
jozefk	see you tomorrow :)	23:17
KM0201	hae fun.	23:17
KM0201	nobody in xfce knows where the mouse came from	23:17
aee	in partional can't mount /backup	23:19
drc	KM0201: It's the little mouse that crept in the corners being sneaky...while the big bad gnome stomped around making grunting noises.	23:19
KM0201	lol	23:20
KM0201	as good as any i guess	23:20
zenrox	or it was a pet that got put in to xfce	23:20
zenrox	pet named balou	23:20
KM0201	hmm, maybe	23:20
zenrox	so km what do you think ofthe new xfce	23:21
KM0201	zenrox: i like it.	23:21
KM0201	:)	23:21
KM0201	assuming you're talking bout the version w/ xubuntu 11.04	23:21
zenrox	yes	23:23
KM0201	yup, i like it	23:23
zenrox	me too its so much cleener	23:23
KM0201	i wish the menu was a little easier to edit/change	23:23
KM0201	like a gui tool, like alacarte for gnome.	23:24
KM0201	but.. beyond that.. i like it	23:24
zenrox	ya thats the only gripe i have	23:24
zenrox	but its great	23:24
KM0201	yup.	23:24
Unit193	I keep trying to right-click to findout what command runs the program :)	23:24
KM0201	lol	23:24
zenrox	lol	23:24
likemindead	Happy Release Day, all!	23:25
zenrox	back at ya	23:25
likemindead	Should I install libreoffice-gnome as well in Xubuntu?	23:25
likemindead	Or just skip that package?	23:25
zenrox	wouldent hurt	23:26
KM0201	likemindead: just sudo apt-get install libreoffice if it needs it, it'll install it	23:26
drc	Do you need LibreOffice?	23:26
likemindead	I prefer it, drc.	23:26
DarkEra	it's up to you what you want to do, not us. :)	23:27
KM0201	drc: as do i?	23:28
drc	likemindead: Oh, sorry...you said "libreoffice-gnome"...I missed the gnome part...it was a late night at the release party....	23:28
KM0201	lol	23:28
* KM0201 got kicked 15x out of the release party		23:28
drc	I had to take my shoes off to keep track of how many times KM0201 got kicked...and then quit at lucky 13.....	23:29
KM0201	lol	23:29
KM0201	i thnk i got kicked an even 13...lol	23:29
KM0201	*15	23:29
zenrox	i was kicked at lest 10 times	23:29
Unit193	What channel?	23:30
zenrox	#ubuntu-release-party	23:30
KM0201	ubuntu-release-party	23:30
KM0201	you missed all the fun if you weren't there	23:31
zenrox	is it out yet? lol	23:31
drc	I thinnk for the next one, they should make an Eliza-bot. "Is it out yet?" "Why do ask if it's out yet?"	23:31
KM0201	lol	23:31
zenrox	it was way to much fun to trip up the bot	23:32
drc	Any one remember what the final "delay" (Somoa time) was when it actually was released?	23:35
charlie-tca	drc: I think the release happened close to 11:00 UTC, but I might be off by an hour	23:36
zenrox	it was after 12:15am pst	23:37
drc	I meant the "because you asked" dely time....	23:37
charlie-tca	yeah, it was between 10:30 and 11:00 UTC	23:37
charlie-tca	I don't know what that was	23:37
drc	charlie-tca: Every time some one asked, the bot added an houre to the projected release time. By the time I went to bed it was midday on the 29th	23:38
MK``	ok I need advice: I want to do a clean install of Xubuntu on an older PC, and I already have a 10.04.2 livecd of Xubuntu. Should I install that and upgrade or is it better to download and burn an 11.04 livecd?	23:38
mikeatvillage	I would think an iso d/l would be quicker	23:39
KM0201	MK``: i would(and do) just download/burn the current cd	23:42
drc	MK``: I'd go for the new iso install...it's 2 releases on xubuntu and 1 of xfce...just to be safe	23:42
MK``	alright thanks for the advice, will do	23:43
charlie-tca	much faster to download 11.04 and install it	23:43
charlie-tca	You have to upgrade 10.04 -> 10.10 ->11.04	23:43
knome	faster and less prone to errors	23:44
drc	and use the torrent....	23:44
mikeatvillage	This machine has just taken 4 hours to download the updates, and now it's telling me it would like another 2 and a half to install ... I wish I'd gone for the iso :-))	23:47
uofm49426	can i do this in 10.10 http://www.ubuntugeek.com/intel-graphics-performance-guide-for-ubuntu-904-jaunty-users.html	23:51
KM0201	is there a keyboard shortcut, to change workspaces?..	23:53
drc	CTRL ALT right/left arrow?	23:54
Unit193	KM0201: Scroll on the desktop	23:54
KM0201	no scroll wheel	23:54
KM0201	drc: that worked	23:55
KM0201	where ca you change that/	23:55
charlie-tca	KM0201: menu -> Settings -> Window Manager -> Keyboard	23:56
mikeatvillage	What does the "Click to start dragging "[some app]" in the bottom r/h corner do, I can't seems to figure it out.	23:56
charlie-tca	It expands the window size	23:56
charlie-tca	That is the resize grip	23:57
charlie-tca	but it only works if the window is resizeable	23:57

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