[00:00] yofel: just plasmawindows? [00:01] afaik yes, if you use the translucency effect it's not blurred [00:01] yofel: well taht explains why I didnt think it was working for me :) [00:01] yofel: any reason it dosnt work for normal windows? [00:02] I did poke one of the kwin folks once and I think they said that's intentional. I forgot why though... [00:02] yofel: seems a weird thing to be intentional [00:03] at least assuming there is no problems caused by it [00:10] Good evening. I've tried to upgrade my distro, but there were some troubles. I'm currently stucked, due to the command sudo apt-get dist-upgrade results in the following http://pastie.org/1845252. Could someone help me to solve that? Thanks. === caillean is now known as SKZNIX === SKZNIX is now known as skynix [00:12] george_: dist-upgrade is not a supported release upgrade method, the instructions for that are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades/Kubuntu [00:12] hello ;-) [00:12] hi guys. just upgraded to natty, but cannot install the flashplugin. getting this "flashplugin-installer depends on nspluginwrapper (>= 0.9.91.4-2ubuntu1); however: Package nspluginwrapper is not configured yet." any suggestions please? [00:12] george_: sudo do-release-upgrade [00:13] so whoever was giving me the option with holding shift (sorry, I am terrible with names) it works a bit. That means it shows the line "loading grub" and then business as usual, that means nothing goes on [00:13] but thank you anyway ;-) [00:13] ah, got another option. [00:14] *gone* [00:14] progre55: sudo dpkg --configure --pending i think [00:14] James147: getting the same thing [00:15] Ridell: I'll try it. Thanks. [00:16] Ridell: You see, I've already started the upgrade (when I type the command you told me it says there is no new release). THe fact is that I can't complete upgrade because of that packages. [00:17] James147: here's what I get http://pastie.org/1845378 === ironfroggy_ is now known as Guest2368 === Guest2368 is now known as ironfroggy__ [00:21] plasma-netbook is not very bad in 4.6.2 [00:21] James147: ah no worries, this worked https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/694137/comments/4 :) [00:21] Ubuntu bug 694137 in nspluginwrapper (Ubuntu) "nspluginwrapper 1.22-0ubuntu8 fails to install on natty" [Undecided,New] [00:27] hello [00:27] did you missed me? :D [00:28] I think I have one last question: what if I just suck CD with this naughty nun or whatever is a nickname for the new one and install it? Will it force me to format my hard drive? I have all important things on the physically separate hard drive anyway, but I just wonder if I can leave my current filesystem with all shortcuts etc? [00:29] orys↬ the installer won't touch your /home [00:30] ah [00:30] that's good then [00:30] so I just ignore the problem and rip it out to the roots (no pun intended) and install a new one from scratch ;-) [00:30] Brutal. =P [00:31] laomaiweng: unless you have some idea how to recover my grub and then you are willing to spent nice night recovering what is wrong with my upgrade ;-) [00:31] aperson: I wouldnt say that [00:31] James147↬ for the most part, it doesn't touch it [00:31] it's a good option. I have a good book and I listen to my CD first time since I don't remember when (ah, jaco pastorius, I have finally rip him to mp3 :P) [00:32] aperson: the installer wont touch /home if you make sure you dont format the drive /home is on [00:32] James147↬ yes, of course [00:32] James147: this is not really a big deal, i have everything on sdb and just made a shorcuts (or however it's called in English) [00:32] but I just wonder if formating sda is must or not. [00:32] aperson: saying it wont touch /home might mean people think its save to selct the "format entire drive" option ^^ [00:32] orys↬ just specify the partitions manually and don't check the format box [00:33] orys: I don't have any bright idea. You can try however to get the list of installed packages. [00:33] orys: you dont need to format anything, the installer will delete system folder if you dont format / [00:33] So that you can reinstall them easily. [00:33] aperson: well, but then, if I have sda1 (with windows) and sda3 (with linux) and if I have to format sda3, I will loose my home... So it seems that you are wrong [00:34] ....unless james147 is right, then I don't need to format anything. [00:34] orys: ^^ that is if you pick "manual partition" option... [00:34] Ok, I am going to suck this naughty nun (or nerdy narval? Who makes these names anyway?) [00:35] James147: off course I will pick. I would never trust him ;-) [00:35] orys: but yes, the installer will just delete the folders it want to install stuff to (/sys /dev /etc /usr etc... not /home) if it detects that they are already there (ie you didnt format) [00:36] orys: anything that it dosnt need to touch it wont [00:36] James147: but that's all right. I don't care about /sys /dev etc (no pun intended). I am most happy if I DON'T need to look into them ;-) [00:36] it's like with the car, the best car is the one I only have to open the bonnet to add screenwash ;-) [00:37] orys: /sys and /dev are dynamic filesystem anyway, craeted at boot :) [00:37] so as long as it won't touch my magic tree under the mirror, I am happy, they can swap engines as much as they want :-) [00:37] James147: :-) Let's say that I wanted to know it :-) Thank you ;-) [00:37] :) [00:38] orys: others listen in as well without asying anything so I like to elaborate on things when I am in the mood [00:38] btw: I have to tell you something: I am not a typical linux nerd, when I had to use it at the uni, I was sick (no wonder, it was mandrake 7.1 back then or something) but then I noticed that it evolves really quiclky. Few years later I just abandoned windows and sticked to linux and I still dare to tell it takes me less to maintain the system than if I used XP or 7 ;-) [00:39] James147: I found this channel very un-linuxish. Everyone are helpful and nice, instead of shouting "RTFM!!!!" all the time. Do you feel all right? Or maybe you are just in the mood due to new system beind issued? ;-) [00:41] orys: #kubuntu rocks [00:41] I used to run debian [00:41] I went to #debian once [00:42] lol [00:42] and was kicked and banned as the question was "too simply". [00:42] I don't think you should use debian [00:42] then I managed to find a friend who is good at stuff and he spent all night to fix the problem ;-) [00:42] or anything like that [00:42] orys: thats one of the reasons I love this channel :D [00:42] OchoZero9: I am not using it any more :-) [00:42] ubuntu is debian based [00:43] but for you [00:43] I have a too simply question [00:43] My partition is nearly full, what can I do? [00:44] OchoZero9: watch all your porn and delete the one which do not turn you on any more. [00:44] ^^^^^^^score [00:45] I don't have any porn here [00:45] If I did, it would be in the partition storing the home folder :\ [00:46] but that's a good idea for my other computer [00:46] what's the command to view the free space? [00:47] df -h [00:49] /dev/sda5 19G 17G 599M 97% / /dev/sda7 64G 39G 23G 64% /home [00:49] Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [00:49] OchoZero9 Indeed, sda5 doesn't look good. =P [00:49] compliment on filling up 17G on /, you could lower the reserved block percentage to 1 though probably if you've got 19G === yofel_ is now known as yofel [00:50] and it also shows 4 more items i dont know what they are /dev /dev/shm /var/run /var/lock all on a 4GB partiton [00:50] taking up less than 3% [00:50] those are ramdrives [00:50] ah, and you have 8GiB RAM, nice :D [00:51] oh. thx [00:51] almost as big as the screen lol [00:52] so what can i do about sda5? [00:52] well, that's root, so get rid of some installed stuff, old kernels for example. And check if something is using excessive space in /var/log/ [00:53] Go through installed packages. Remove those you don't use. Empty caches (I don't know where they are), also. [00:53] other than that, lower the reserved block percentage from 5 to 1, you don't usually need 1G in reserve [00:53] or just move some stuff to sda7 ;-) [00:54] ah right, apt-get autoclean would be a good idea, if you need space apt-get clean too (will remove downloaded package files) [00:54] yofel: dont think lowering the reserved space will do anything? most of whats on / is only writable by root and root can write to reserved space? [00:55] OchoZero9: du -sh /* ^^ which folder is useing the most space? [00:55] I have an idea [00:55] James147: true, but will show up as free at least. With it set to 5 you get the funny case that df -h shows available as 0 but you can still write stuff to the disk [00:55] First time using this - I have a problem I can seem to resolve. Just upgraded to natty and now the computer will not load - using a backup drive to get help [00:55] Quartus is about 5 GB [00:56] How do I move it to the other partition without breaking the program? [00:56] OchoZero9: waht is Quartus? [00:56] hi [00:57] It's to write programs for CPLDs and FGPAs [00:57] and its 5 gigs? O-o [00:57] I use it for a class in school, 'digital logic' [00:57] I've just upgraded from 10.10 and the plasma panel freezes everytime I click on it [00:57] Don't know what all those gigs consist of, but I guess it's simulation codes === mren is now known as mren|off [00:58] it's software that supposed to simulate hardware. and they have to think about all the delays. and if this much date is moving the trace will get hot and slower.. I'm not really sure though [00:59] Tabmow: when does your computer stop loading? [00:59] Ok folks, I'll be back tomorrow trying to fix my broken upgrade, but right now I need to sleep. Ciao! [00:59] James147: Imagine intel and AMD's simulation software [01:00] laomaiweng: lol. you had some upgrade problems as well? ;-) [01:00] OchoZero9: You can try copying Quartus to your /home and see if it breaks or not, then if it doesn't break your good. =) [01:00] must be probably a terrabyte big [01:00] that's sad ;-) [01:00] OchoZero9: how did you install it? [01:00] It was a pain. that's why I don't want to break it [01:00] OchoZero9: how? [01:01] orys: Yes, but at least I can still boot. ;-) Bye! [01:01] haha ;-) [01:01] it took me over 3 days 10 hours a day [01:01] no , more than that [01:01] their instructions are not exactly the way it goes [01:01] OchoZero9: package? compiled from source? installer? [01:02] I had to use kdesudo [01:02] at some points [01:02] .sh file [01:02] i even had to change my bash, and i don't know about bash [01:02] OchoZero9: sounds like it would be easier to reinstall it rather then trying to move it ^^ [01:03] can't i leave a link to the folder? [01:03] since if its that complicated to install its probally going to break when you move it [01:03] OchoZero9: possibally [01:03] probally [01:03] i can't type quartus and open it [01:04] since I don't know how to progam it into the shell but it's no biggie [01:05] i put a link to it in the kde menu [01:06] how do i move and link? [01:08] mv oldpath newpath ? [01:08] OchoZero9: a link? delete it and recreate it? [01:08] no the folder with everything [01:09] o move and link :) mv oldpath newpath then ln -s newpath oldpath [01:11] yawn [01:11] this download is borking [01:11] the estimated time vary from 43 minutes to one day 21 hours ;-) [01:11] orys: that means the connection sp4eed is varying allot [01:12] yeah, talk talk is crap for the broadband [01:12] but I am not the main tenant here :( [01:12] what are you downloading [01:13] i have beta2 installed. today the final release is out. but i don't have any updates available. is it normal? [01:13] no [01:13] orys: what are you downloading [01:13] kavurt: that's not normal [01:13] OchoZero9: kubuntu! [01:14] updating or ISO? [01:14] ISO [01:14] OchoZero9: what mihgt be wrong? [01:14] updating did not went well [01:14] oh.. Update was super fast for me [01:14] so it will be quicker to reinstall it from scratch I guess :-) [01:14] remember i was going at 34kb [01:14] OchoZero9: it was super fast for me as well [01:14] then the comp freezed [01:14] and now I can't start it any more ;-) [01:14] i went to the University of south flordia mirror and i went 13000000000kb [01:15] 1.3Mb per s whatever that is in kb [01:15] sorry 1.3MB [01:17] James147: does this seem right? sudo mv /opt/altera9.1sp2 ~/apps/ [01:17] i also want altera9.1sp2 to be a folder under apps [01:19] btw according to wikipedia. 'Altera Quartus II is a programmable logic device design osftware from Altera.' [01:19] funny, because Altera calls it 'Quartus II' and they double implied that it's from altera [01:26] kavurt: that is normal... *ubuntu dosnt care if its beta or alpha or final... as long as its uptodate with whats in the repos then you have the latest version [01:26] ^^ ie if you update after the release then you have the final version [01:26] even if there are no updates sine you got them before the release and nothing had changed:) [01:27] i see James147: thanks. [01:27] He was the first witht the final version and didn't notice [01:28] OchoZero9: are the large programs all under /opt? [01:29] I have a VPN under OPT [01:30] OchoZero9: I assume your till haivng problems with space on /... can you pastebin the output of "du -shx /*" [01:30] and a folder /Quartus/installer which may be garbage. IDK === spaz is now known as Spaz_Dynamic [01:32] wow my comp is going slow [01:32] how can i install unity desktop on kubuntu? what's the package name? [01:32] kavurt: on 11.04? install ubuntu-desktop I would think [01:32] i go to software center to get the name [01:33] thanks [01:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/600535/ [01:35] I am having a problem similar to this: http://bit.ly/imR2UK I can't upgrade anything. [01:36] now i got something else [01:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/600536/ [01:36] My upgrade stopped at 74% after my HDD spun down. Now I can't really do anything. [01:37] Any suggestions...? [01:38] OchoZero9: there should be more then that :) ^^ it may take a while to run the command though [01:39] it's still not done [01:39] ont both tabs [01:39] one of them got the gibberish [01:39] OchoZero9: it can take a while depending on the size of the dirs [01:40] ^^ but it will shows the folders using up the space [01:40] it finished [01:40] what is the default /etc/apt/sources.list in ubuntu 10.10? it got messed up when i canceled the upgrade [01:40] it looks like /lib and /usr are the only problems nwo [01:41] http://paste.ubuntu.com/600537/ [01:41] well i dont have time for that right now [01:41] otherwise ill fail my exam === yogeshwar is now known as kubuntu_user [01:42] but I dont want to leave the link undone because then ill forget [01:43] ln -s newpath oldpath [01:44] Old new [01:44] im confused [01:44] its lns -s TARGET LINKNAME === Spaz_dynamic is now known as Spaz_Dynamic [01:45] thanks Pici [01:45] er, ln -s (lagging a bit here) === yogeshwar is now known as hello === hello is now known as hi === hi is now known as linux_user [01:47] does that seem right? sudo ln -s /home/ecinx/apps/altera9.1sp2/ /opt/altera9.1sp2 [01:48] looks good in dolphin :) [01:48] thanks [01:48] ok guys [01:48] I downloaded the iso [01:48] but I can't use the K3b on live cd [01:49] as it says "cdrecord has no permission to open the device" and "it can be solved using K3b settings" but settings cannot be open. [01:49] i mean, I can't change permissions [01:49] the button is simply not working. [01:55] what's the best backup tool in your mind? [01:55] kaiyin: cp [01:56] lol [01:56] Scratch what I said, couldn't upgrade because the software on the KDE desktop wasn't fully installed. The upgrade manager from the Gnome DE is doing it now. [01:59] hey [01:59] anyone knows how to burn a cd using livecd system?> [02:10] After tried an upgrade to 11.04, I've got this http://pastie.org/1845644. And my dpkg --audit returns me this http://pastie.org/1845647. Any help, please? === caillean is now known as skynix [02:23] i'm trying out the Nouveau drivers but can't seem to set a correct resolution [02:24] it's only using 1024x768 [02:27] katsrc: those are the open source drivers for nvidia cards, right? [02:27] yup [02:27] katsrc: in system settings > display? [02:28] I was having similar problems with the osdrivers for my ati card [02:28] I basically had to switch to proprietary and it works fine now [02:28] James147: just limited to 1024 and goes lower [02:28] katsrc: try setting it via xrandr [02:28] James147: ok, i'll give it a go thanks [02:29] at least I think the flgrx (or whatever it is) is the proprietary set for ATI [02:33] James147: it's show the maximum as 1024 x 768 [02:34] i have a question, why doesn't kpackagekit show the total size of downloads when you select multiple, or before you commit to the actual download and installation? [02:36] I mean, if I knew that I had selected so many in terms of filesize, I wouldn't have told it to install all of them at once (trying out a few games and such) [02:36] katsrc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding undetected resolutions [02:36] since the repos are being bombarded right now [02:42] After tried an upgrade to 11.04, I've got this http://pastie.org/1845644. And my dpkg --audit returns me this http://pastie.org/1845647. Any help, please? [03:11] algien de chile [03:13] maximiliano: hola [03:19] hola [03:19] viejo tu caxay como hacer funcionar compiz + emerald [03:20] y lograr tener siempre los efectos [03:20] ya que reinicio y queda todo en 0 === fred_ is now known as Guest3858 === nautilus is now known as Guest63750 [04:42] anyone been having issues booting into desktopon 11.04? [04:44] i didnt upgrade Kage [04:44] I am trying to install 11.04 fresh onto a new laptop... and I am having issues booting [04:45] Binary_Wolf: at first, I couldn't boot into the liveCD, so I used the alterntive CD, and while the install went fine, it still wont boot all the way into the desktop [04:45] what does it say?/ [04:45] what does it show? [04:45] nothing, just get a blank screen [04:46] I tried going in manually, but all the log files under /var/log are empty say for dpkg and a few others [04:46] Xorg log file is empty, and dmesg log file is empty [04:46] hm [04:46] maybe your graphic card is too old and there is somethingwrong with its drivers [04:46] The laptop is pretty new [04:46] it is ATI graphics though [04:47] my friend also had issues wiith ati card but it was old [04:47] But it has a AMD Athlon II, with 3GB of RAM [04:47] Binary_Wolf: yeah, this thing can't be older then a year or two [04:48] um i dont know [04:48] sorry [04:48] Binary_Wolf: I am downloading 32bit ubuntu, see if that works, if it works it could be a issue with using kubuntu opposed to kubuntu, or 64-bit vs 32-bit issue [04:48] but this laptop is suppose to support 64-bit [04:49] kubuntu has more dls then ubuntu [04:49] woot [04:49] Binary_Wolf: Thanks for the help though :) [04:49] gogeta: unity is fail ;) [04:50] Kage: not at all :) [04:50] can anyone here help me with a problem with my KGpg? [04:50] bought to say wolf will argure but we knoe [04:51] gogeta: dunno, gnome people have REALLY started to hate on KDE [04:51] people telling me windows 7 desktop is better then kde4 [04:51] Kage: hahaha [04:51] gogeta: How do you know? [04:51] Kage: think most where burned by 3 [04:52] Kage: havent gave 4.6 a fair shake [04:52] Kage: Welcome to the age old war [04:52] DarkriftX: the turrns has more seeds and leechers [04:52] turrents [04:52] lol tabbed wrong name [04:52] Daskreech: naw, I have been using Linux for 8 years, I never seen poeople dish KDE so much [04:53] Kage: seems odd there bashing kde but the turrns are bigger [04:53] i dont know why ppl like kde [04:53] then gnomes [04:53] turrents [04:53] so there must be alot of people defeting [04:53] defecting [04:54] Binary_Wolf: Not sure why people like Linux' [04:54] lol [04:54] so, is there an equivalent to gnome's force quit applet? [04:54] yes' [04:54] aperson: xkill? [04:54] aperson: alt+ctrl+Esc? [04:54] xkill or right click and close [04:54] Daskreech: kde looks like same windows maybe thats why [04:54] it will see ts not responding [04:55] and offer a force close [04:55] gogeta⍈ apparently not always [04:55] for people who are nostalgic for windows [04:55] yea not always but nyther did gnomes [04:55] I have the system settings window stuck unresponsive [04:55] xkill works [04:55] all the time [04:55] gogeta⍈ thus why I'm asking ;) [04:55] Binary_Wolf: gconf is more like windows registery then anything KDE has [04:55] ooh, I'ma have to make a shortcut for that, thanks [04:55] gui is almost identical [04:56] Binary_Wolf: maybe by default, but you can customize KDE a lot more then gnome [04:56] sounds like a discussion for the ot channel :) [04:57] Kage: same for Gnome, i can customize almost everything in it [04:57] Binary_Wolf: KDE is more customizable... and most of gnome's customization has to be done though gconf [04:57] which is horrible [04:57] why? [04:58] its not that bad as you would through console :) [04:58] do [04:58] though you can [04:59] Binary_Wolf: gconf is clear clone of the window's registery... and I would say the registery is the source of 75% of issues on Windows [04:59] though gconf is more human friendly the the window registery [04:59] still, its bad design IMO [04:59] Kage: well you can find those config files directly and modify them [05:00] Binary_Wolf: true, but that is even harder to use... KDE has control panel settings for almost all the customization [05:00] Kage: Why is the registry a bad design? [05:01] Daskreech: prone to bloast [05:01] bloat* [05:01] (for Gconf) IT's obviously a clearly stupid idea for Windows [05:02] Daskreech: the issue I have with the windows registery is that its the perfect hidding place for malware... and many programs forget to remove stuff from the registery when you uninstall them [05:03] Daskreech: it becomes a waste land of dead ends, bad settings that the average user can never fix [05:03] well on Windows it's a single file holding all the important information for the whole OS that any process can write into. It's clearly a stupid concept but Gnome is no where near crucial for the computer to work [05:04] If you can corrupt Gconf life goes on and it's much more resistant to change than the Windows Registry [05:04] zzzzzzzzzzzz [05:04] gconif zzzzzzzzzz [05:05] unless its broken its not something i would even care abought [05:05] But it being an area that the average user will never b e able to fix does provide a good description for Gnome's Gconf [05:05] contunes using kde [05:05] That would be in alignment with the design ideas of Gnome though [05:05] Daskreech: I agree that gconf is 100 times better then the windows registery... but I still don't like it [05:06] think you mean unity restant to change [05:06] Fair enough [05:06] Daskreech: Gnome's motd is "The user is a idiot" [05:06] Daskreech: KDE doesn't treat me like that [05:06] gogeta: It's not old enough for me to make that statement [05:06] most are unfortanly [05:06] ha :) [05:06] i do pc work from time to time [05:06] i sware every call [05:07] some spyware loded pc [05:07] loaded [05:07] with no protection [05:07] or a anti vires trial that expired 6 months ago [05:07] Daskreech: actually one thing people don't like about KDE that I hear is a lot is that it has too many options [05:07] Daskreech: and thats its overwhelming [05:07] naa plasma is so streamlined [05:08] for me it seemed laggy [05:08] Binary_Wolf: in what way? [05:08] at least i tried it on 1 gb netbook [05:08] cpu was loaded higher than 50% [05:08] Binary_Wolf: I'd be more willing to blame your videocard than the Proc for lag [05:08] Binary_Wolf: not for me, and infact benchmarks actually show that KDE4 is faster then Gnome3 [05:08] well its not gonna do your 5 sec boot [05:08] never was kdes focus [05:09] im not talking about boot [05:09] depends on what you ran [05:09] does kde requier sophisticated hardware [05:09] naa [05:09] Binary_Wolf: for all the features, yes [05:09] if you wanna use kwin4 compistion [05:09] and some other stuff [05:09] i turn off compiz on my netbook [05:09] its snappy [05:09] thats what i had to do [05:10] i can leave it on [05:10] i just dont like compiz at all [05:10] mine can run it fine, I just don't like all the effects [05:10] its pretty, and fun for awhile [05:10] Binary_Wolf: require? I woudln't say that. but certainly is nicer with [05:10] but aftre awhile you get sick of it, at least I do [05:10] if you set it to low gpu low cpu the effects are pretty mutch all off [05:11] kmix does have issues with pulseaudio [05:11] oh okay [05:11] or at least it did [05:11] Binary_Wolf: but I've gotten annoyed with things and turned off Plasma and just kept using the rest of KDE [05:11] but if your looking no bs window manager lxde [05:12] It's useful in that respect [05:13] how large are these kdewallpapers ? O.o they are downloading for 30 mins already [05:13] [upgrading...] [05:14] you knoe al the repos are slow [05:14] all [05:14] it is night so... [05:14] why arent ppl sleeping lol [05:14] they will be loaded for days [05:14]