[00:00] <James147> yofel: just plasmawindows?
[00:01] <yofel> afaik yes, if you use the translucency effect it's not blurred
[00:01] <James147> yofel: well taht explains why I didnt think it was working for me :)
[00:01] <James147> yofel: any reason it dosnt work for normal windows?
[00:02] <yofel> I did poke one of the kwin folks once and I think they said that's intentional. I forgot why though...
[00:02] <James147> yofel: seems a weird thing to be intentional
[00:03] <James147> at least assuming there is no problems caused by it
[00:10] <george_> Good evening. I've tried to upgrade my distro, but there were some troubles. I'm currently stucked, due to the command sudo apt-get dist-upgrade results in the following http://pastie.org/1845252. Could someone help me to solve that? Thanks.
[00:12] <Riddell> george_: dist-upgrade is not a supported release upgrade method, the instructions for that are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[00:12] <orys> hello ;-)
[00:12] <progre55> hi guys. just upgraded to natty, but cannot install the flashplugin. getting this "flashplugin-installer depends on nspluginwrapper (>= 0.9.91.4-2ubuntu1); however: Package nspluginwrapper is not configured yet." any suggestions please?
[00:12] <progre55> george_: sudo do-release-upgrade
[00:13] <orys> so whoever was giving me the option with holding shift (sorry, I am terrible with names) it works a bit. That means it shows the line "loading grub" and then business as usual, that means nothing goes on
[00:13] <orys> but thank you anyway ;-)
[00:13] <orys> ah, got another option.
[00:14] <orys> *gone*
[00:14] <James147> progre55: sudo dpkg --configure --pending   i think
[00:14] <progre55> James147: getting the same thing
[00:15] <george_> Ridell: I'll try it. Thanks.
[00:16] <george_> Ridell: You see, I've already started the upgrade (when I type the command you told me it says there is no new release). THe fact is that I can't complete upgrade because of that packages.
[00:17] <progre55> James147: here's what I get http://pastie.org/1845378
[00:21] <EagleScreen> plasma-netbook is not very bad in 4.6.2
[00:21] <progre55> James147: ah no worries, this worked https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/694137/comments/4 :)
[00:27] <orys> hello
[00:27] <orys> did you missed me? :D
[00:28] <orys> I think I have one last question: what if I just suck CD with this naughty nun or whatever is a nickname for the new one and install it? Will it force me to format my hard drive? I have all important things on the physically separate hard drive anyway, but I just wonder if I can leave my current filesystem with all shortcuts etc?
[00:29] <aperson> orys↬ the installer won't touch your /home
[00:30] <orys> ah
[00:30] <orys> that's good then
[00:30] <orys> so I just ignore the problem and rip it out to the roots (no pun intended) and install a new one from scratch ;-)
[00:30] <laomaiweng> Brutal. =P
[00:31] <orys> laomaiweng: unless you have some idea how to recover my grub and then you are willing to spent nice night recovering what is wrong with my upgrade ;-)
[00:31] <James147> aperson: I wouldnt say that
[00:31] <aperson> James147↬ for the most part, it doesn't touch it
[00:31] <orys> it's a good option. I have a good book and I listen to my CD first time since I don't remember when (ah, jaco pastorius, I have finally rip him to mp3 :P)
[00:32] <James147> aperson: the installer wont touch /home if you make sure you dont format the drive /home is on
[00:32] <aperson> James147↬ yes, of course
[00:32] <orys> James147: this is not really a big deal, i have everything on sdb and just made a shorcuts (or however it's called  in English)
[00:32] <orys> but I just wonder if formating sda is must or not.
[00:32] <James147> aperson: saying it wont touch /home might mean people think its save to selct the "format entire drive" option ^^
[00:32] <aperson> orys↬ just specify the partitions manually and don't check the format box
[00:33] <laomaiweng> orys: I don't have any bright idea. You can try however to get the list of installed packages.
[00:33] <James147> orys: you dont need to format anything, the installer will delete system folder if you dont format /
[00:33] <laomaiweng> So that you can reinstall them easily.
[00:33] <orys> aperson: well, but then, if I have sda1 (with windows) and sda3 (with linux) and if I have to format sda3, I will loose my home... So it seems that you are wrong
[00:34] <orys> ....unless james147 is right, then I don't need to format anything.
[00:34] <James147> orys: ^^ that is if you pick  "manual partition" option...
[00:34] <orys> Ok, I am going to suck this naughty nun (or nerdy narval? Who makes these names anyway?)
[00:35] <orys> James147: off course I will pick. I would never trust him ;-)
[00:35] <James147> orys: but yes, the installer will  just delete the folders it want to install stuff to (/sys /dev /etc /usr  etc... not /home) if it detects that they are already there (ie you didnt format)
[00:36] <James147> orys: anything that it dosnt need to touch it wont
[00:36] <orys> James147: but that's all right. I don't care about /sys /dev etc (no pun intended). I am most happy if I DON'T need to look into them ;-)
[00:36] <orys> it's like with the car, the best car is the one I only have to open the bonnet to add screenwash ;-)
[00:37] <James147> orys: /sys and /dev are dynamic filesystem anyway, craeted at boot :)
[00:37] <orys> so as long as it won't touch my magic tree under the mirror, I am happy, they can swap engines as much as they want :-)
[00:37] <orys> James147: :-) Let's say that I wanted to know it :-) Thank you ;-)
[00:37] <James147> :)
[00:38] <James147> orys: others listen in as well without asying anything so I like to elaborate on things when I am in the mood
[00:38] <orys> btw: I have to tell you something: I am not a typical linux nerd, when I had to use it at the uni, I was sick (no wonder, it was mandrake 7.1 back then or something) but then I noticed that it evolves really quiclky. Few years later I just abandoned windows and sticked to linux and I still dare to tell it takes me less to maintain the system than if I used XP or 7 ;-)
[00:39] <orys> James147: I found this channel very un-linuxish. Everyone are helpful and nice, instead of shouting "RTFM!!!!" all the time. Do you feel all right? Or maybe you are just in the mood due to new system beind issued? ;-)
[00:41] <OchoZero9> orys: #kubuntu rocks
[00:41] <orys> I used to run debian
[00:41] <orys> I went to #debian once
[00:42] <OchoZero9> lol
[00:42] <orys> and was kicked and banned as the question was "too simply".
[00:42] <OchoZero9> I don't think you should use debian
[00:42] <orys> then I managed to find a friend who is good at stuff and he spent all night to fix the problem ;-)
[00:42] <OchoZero9> or anything like that
[00:42] <James147> orys: thats one of the reasons I love this channel :D
[00:42] <orys> OchoZero9: I am not using it any more :-)
[00:42] <OchoZero9> ubuntu is debian based
[00:43] <OchoZero9> but for you
[00:43] <OchoZero9> I have a too simply question
[00:43] <OchoZero9> My partition is nearly full, what can I do?
[00:44] <orys> OchoZero9: watch all your porn and delete the one which do not turn you on any more.
[00:44] <Linkmaster> ^^^^^^^score
[00:45] <OchoZero9> I don't have any porn here
[00:45] <OchoZero9> If I did, it would be in the partition storing the home folder :\
[00:46] <OchoZero9> but that's a good idea for my other computer
[00:46] <OchoZero9> what's the command to view the free space?
[00:47] <laomaiweng> df -h
[00:49] <OchoZero9> /dev/sda5              19G   17G  599M  97% /    /dev/sda7              64G   39G   23G  64% /home
[00:49] <OchoZero9> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[00:49] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9 Indeed, sda5 doesn't look good. =P
[00:49] <yofel_> compliment on filling up 17G on /, you could lower the reserved block percentage to 1 though probably if you've got 19G
[00:50] <OchoZero9> and it also shows 4 more items i dont know what they are /dev /dev/shm /var/run /var/lock all on a 4GB partiton
[00:50] <OchoZero9> taking up less than 3%
[00:50] <yofel> those are ramdrives
[00:50] <yofel> ah, and you have 8GiB RAM, nice :D
[00:51] <OchoZero9> oh. thx
[00:51] <OchoZero9> almost as big as the screen lol
[00:52] <OchoZero9> so what can i do about sda5?
[00:52] <yofel> well, that's root, so get rid of some installed stuff, old kernels for example. And check if something is using excessive space in /var/log/
[00:53] <laomaiweng> Go through installed packages. Remove those you don't use. Empty caches (I don't know where they are), also.
[00:53] <yofel> other than that, lower the reserved block percentage from 5 to 1, you don't usually need 1G in reserve
[00:53] <orys> or just move some stuff to sda7 ;-)
[00:54] <yofel> ah right, apt-get autoclean would be a good idea, if you need space apt-get clean too (will remove downloaded package files)
[00:54] <James147> yofel: dont think lowering the reserved space will do anything? most of whats on / is only writable by root and root can write to reserved space?
[00:55] <James147> OchoZero9: du -sh /*  ^^ which folder is useing the most space?
[00:55] <OchoZero9> I have an idea
[00:55] <yofel> James147: true, but will show up as free at least. With it set to 5 you get the funny case that df -h shows available as 0 but you can still write stuff to the disk
[00:55] <Tanks5> First time using this - I have a problem I can seem to resolve. Just upgraded to natty and now the computer will not load - using a backup drive to get help
[00:55] <OchoZero9> Quartus is about 5 GB
[00:56] <OchoZero9> How do I move it to the other partition without breaking the program?
[00:56] <James147> OchoZero9: waht is Quartus?
[00:56] <problemsnm> hi
[00:57] <OchoZero9> It's to write programs for CPLDs and FGPAs
[00:57] <James147> and its 5 gigs? O-o
[00:57] <OchoZero9> I use it for a class in school, 'digital logic'
[00:57] <problemsnm> I've just upgraded from 10.10 and the plasma panel freezes everytime I click on it
[00:57] <OchoZero9> Don't know what all those gigs consist of, but I guess it's simulation codes
[00:58] <OchoZero9> it's software that supposed to simulate hardware. and they have to think about all the delays. and if this much date is moving the trace will get hot and slower.. I'm not really sure though
[00:59] <James147> Tabmow: when does your computer stop loading?
[00:59] <laomaiweng> Ok folks, I'll be back tomorrow trying to fix my broken upgrade, but right now I need to sleep. Ciao!
[00:59] <OchoZero9> James147: Imagine intel and AMD's simulation software
[01:00] <orys> laomaiweng: lol. you had some upgrade problems as well? ;-)
[01:00] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: You can try copying Quartus to your /home and see if it breaks or not, then if it doesn't break your good. =)
[01:00] <OchoZero9> must be probably a terrabyte big
[01:00] <orys> that's sad ;-)
[01:00] <James147> OchoZero9: how did you install it?
[01:00] <OchoZero9> It was a pain. that's why I don't want to break it
[01:00] <James147> OchoZero9: how?
[01:01] <laomaiweng> orys: Yes, but at least I can still boot. ;-) Bye!
[01:01] <orys> haha ;-)
[01:01] <OchoZero9> it took me over 3 days 10 hours a day
[01:01] <OchoZero9> no , more than that
[01:01] <OchoZero9> their instructions are not exactly the way it goes
[01:01] <James147> OchoZero9: package? compiled from source? installer?
[01:02] <OchoZero9> I had to use kdesudo
[01:02] <OchoZero9> at some points
[01:02] <OchoZero9> .sh file
[01:02] <OchoZero9> i even had to change my bash, and i don't know about bash
[01:02] <James147> OchoZero9: sounds like it would be easier to reinstall it rather then trying to move it ^^
[01:03] <OchoZero9> can't i leave a link to the folder?
[01:03] <James147> since if its that complicated to install its probally going to break when you move it
[01:03] <James147> OchoZero9: possibally
[01:03] <James147> probally
[01:03] <OchoZero9> i can't type quartus and open it
[01:04] <OchoZero9> since I don't know how to progam it into the shell but it's no biggie
[01:05] <OchoZero9> i put a link to it in the kde menu
[01:06] <OchoZero9> how do i move and link?
[01:08] <OchoZero9> mv oldpath newpath ?
[01:08] <James147> OchoZero9: a link? delete it and recreate it?
[01:08] <OchoZero9> no the folder with everything
[01:09] <James147> o move and link :) mv oldpath newpath   then ln -s newpath oldpath
[01:11] <orys> yawn
[01:11] <orys> this download is borking
[01:11] <orys> the estimated time vary from 43 minutes to one day 21 hours ;-)
[01:11] <James147> orys: that means the connection sp4eed is varying allot
[01:12] <orys> yeah, talk talk is crap for the broadband
[01:12] <orys> but I am not the main tenant here :(
[01:12] <OchoZero9> what are you downloading
[01:13] <kavurt> i have beta2 installed. today the final release is out. but i don't have any updates available. is it normal?
[01:13] <OchoZero9> no
[01:13] <OchoZero9> orys: what are you downloading
[01:13] <OchoZero9> kavurt: that's not normal
[01:13] <orys> OchoZero9: kubuntu!
[01:14] <OchoZero9> updating or ISO?
[01:14] <orys> ISO
[01:14] <kavurt> OchoZero9: what mihgt be wrong?
[01:14] <orys> updating did not went well
[01:14] <OchoZero9> oh.. Update was super fast for me
[01:14] <orys> so it will be quicker to reinstall it from scratch I guess :-)
[01:14] <OchoZero9> remember i was going at 34kb
[01:14] <orys> OchoZero9: it was super fast for me as well
[01:14] <orys> then the comp freezed
[01:14] <orys> and now I can't start it any more ;-)
[01:14] <OchoZero9> i went to the University of south flordia mirror and i went 13000000000kb
[01:15] <OchoZero9> 1.3Mb per s whatever that is in kb
[01:15] <OchoZero9> sorry 1.3MB
[01:17] <OchoZero9> James147: does this seem right? sudo mv /opt/altera9.1sp2 ~/apps/
[01:17] <OchoZero9> i also want altera9.1sp2 to be a folder under apps
[01:19] <OchoZero9> btw according to wikipedia. 'Altera Quartus II is a programmable logic device design osftware from Altera.'
[01:19] <OchoZero9> funny, because Altera calls it 'Quartus II' and they double implied  that it's from altera
[01:26] <James147> kavurt: that is normal... *ubuntu dosnt care if its beta or alpha or final... as long as its uptodate with whats in the repos then you have the latest version
[01:26] <James147> ^^ ie if you update after the release then you have the final version
[01:26] <James147> even if there are no updates sine you got them before the release and nothing had changed:)
[01:27] <kavurt> i see James147: thanks.
[01:27] <OchoZero9> He was the first witht the final version and didn't notice
[01:28] <James147> OchoZero9: are the large programs all under /opt?
[01:29] <OchoZero9> I have a VPN under OPT
[01:30] <James147> OchoZero9: I assume your till haivng problems with space on /... can you pastebin the output of "du -shx /*"
[01:30] <OchoZero9> and a folder /Quartus/installer which may be garbage. IDK
[01:32] <OchoZero9> wow my comp is going slow
[01:32] <kavurt> how can i install unity desktop on kubuntu? what's the package name?
[01:32] <James147> kavurt: on 11.04? install ubuntu-desktop I would think
[01:32] <OchoZero9> i go to software center to get the name
[01:33] <kavurt> thanks
[01:34] <OchoZero9> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600535/
[01:35] <WhiteD> I am having a problem similar to this: http://bit.ly/imR2UK I can't upgrade anything.
[01:36] <OchoZero9> now i got something else
[01:36] <OchoZero9> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600536/
[01:36] <WhiteD> My upgrade stopped at 74% after my HDD spun down. Now I can't really do anything.
[01:37] <WhiteD> Any suggestions...?
[01:38] <James147> OchoZero9: there should be more then that :) ^^ it may take a while to run the command though
[01:39] <OchoZero9> it's still not done
[01:39] <OchoZero9> ont both tabs
[01:39] <OchoZero9> one of them got the gibberish
[01:39] <James147> OchoZero9: it can take a while depending on the size of the dirs
[01:40] <James147> ^^ but it will shows the folders using up the space
[01:40] <OchoZero9> it finished
[01:40] <yogeshwar> what is the default /etc/apt/sources.list in ubuntu 10.10? it got messed up when i canceled the upgrade
[01:40] <OchoZero9> it looks like /lib and /usr are the only problems nwo
[01:41] <OchoZero9> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600537/
[01:41] <OchoZero9> well i dont have time for that right now
[01:41] <OchoZero9> otherwise ill fail my exam
[01:42] <OchoZero9> but I dont want to leave the link undone because then ill forget
[01:43] <OchoZero9> ln -s newpath oldpath
[01:44] <Allk> Old new
[01:44] <OchoZero9> im confused
[01:44] <Pici> its lns -s TARGET LINKNAME
[01:45] <OchoZero9> thanks Pici
[01:45] <Pici> er, ln -s (lagging a bit here)
[01:47] <OchoZero9> does that seem right? sudo ln -s /home/ecinx/apps/altera9.1sp2/ /opt/altera9.1sp2
[01:48] <OchoZero9> looks good in dolphin :)
[01:48] <OchoZero9> thanks
[01:48] <orys> ok guys
[01:48] <orys> I downloaded the iso
[01:48] <orys> but I can't use the K3b on live cd
[01:49] <orys> as it says "cdrecord has no permission to open the device" and "it can be solved using K3b settings" but settings cannot be open.
[01:49] <orys> i mean, I can't change permissions
[01:49] <orys> the button is simply not working.
[01:55] <kaiyin> what's the best backup tool in your mind?
[01:55] <Spaz_Dynamic> kaiyin: cp
[01:56] <Spaz_Dynamic> lol
[01:56] <WhiteD> Scratch what I said, couldn't upgrade because the software on the KDE desktop wasn't fully installed. The upgrade manager from the Gnome DE is doing it now.
[01:59] <orys> hey
[01:59] <orys> anyone knows how to burn a cd using livecd system?>
[02:10] <george__> After tried an upgrade to 11.04, I've got this http://pastie.org/1845644. And my dpkg --audit returns me this http://pastie.org/1845647. Any help, please?
[02:23] <katsrc> i'm trying out the Nouveau drivers but can't seem to set a correct resolution
[02:24] <katsrc> it's only using 1024x768
[02:27] <Spaz_Dynamic> katsrc: those are the open source drivers for nvidia cards, right?
[02:27] <katsrc> yup
[02:27] <James147> katsrc: in system settings > display?
[02:28] <Spaz_Dynamic> I was having similar problems with the osdrivers for my ati card
[02:28] <Spaz_Dynamic> I basically had to switch to proprietary and it works fine now
[02:28] <katsrc> James147: just limited to 1024 and goes lower
[02:28] <James147> katsrc: try setting it via xrandr
[02:28] <katsrc> James147: ok, i'll give it a go thanks
[02:29] <Spaz_Dynamic> at least I think the flgrx (or whatever it is) is the proprietary set for ATI
[02:33] <katsrc> James147: it's show the maximum as 1024 x 768
[02:34] <Spaz_Dynamic> i have a question, why doesn't kpackagekit show the total size of downloads when you select multiple, or before you commit to the actual download and installation?
[02:36] <Spaz_Dynamic> I mean, if I knew that I had selected so many in terms of filesize, I wouldn't have told it to install all of them at once (trying out a few games and such)
[02:36] <James147> katsrc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding undetected resolutions
[02:36] <Spaz_Dynamic> since the repos are being bombarded right now
[02:42] <george__> After tried an upgrade to 11.04, I've got this http://pastie.org/1845644. And my dpkg --audit returns me this http://pastie.org/1845647. Any help, please?
[03:11] <maximiliano> algien de chile
[03:13] <EagleScreen> maximiliano: hola
[03:19] <maximiliano> hola
[03:19] <maximiliano> viejo tu caxay como hacer funcionar compiz + emerald
[03:20] <maximiliano> y lograr tener siempre los efectos
[03:20] <maximiliano> ya que reinicio y queda todo en 0
[04:42] <Kage> anyone been having issues booting into desktopon 11.04?
[04:44] <Binary_Wolf> i didnt upgrade Kage
[04:44] <Kage> I am trying to install 11.04 fresh onto a new laptop... and I am having issues booting
[04:45] <Kage> Binary_Wolf: at first, I couldn't boot into the liveCD, so I used the alterntive CD, and while the install went fine, it still wont boot all the way into the desktop
[04:45] <Binary_Wolf> what does it say?/
[04:45] <Binary_Wolf> what does it show?
[04:45] <Kage> nothing, just get a blank screen
[04:46] <Kage> I tried going in manually, but all the log files under /var/log are empty say for dpkg and a few others
[04:46] <Kage> Xorg log file is empty, and dmesg log file is empty
[04:46] <Binary_Wolf> hm
[04:46] <Binary_Wolf> maybe your graphic card is too old and there is somethingwrong with its drivers
[04:46] <Kage> The laptop is pretty new
[04:46] <Kage> it is ATI graphics though
[04:47] <Binary_Wolf> my friend also had issues wiith ati card but it was old
[04:47] <Kage> But it has a AMD Athlon II, with 3GB of RAM
[04:47] <Kage> Binary_Wolf: yeah, this thing can't be older then a year or two
[04:48] <Binary_Wolf> um i dont know
[04:48] <Binary_Wolf> sorry
[04:48] <Kage> Binary_Wolf: I am downloading 32bit ubuntu, see if that works, if it works it could be a issue with using kubuntu opposed to kubuntu, or 64-bit vs 32-bit issue
[04:48] <Kage> but this laptop is suppose to support 64-bit
[04:49] <gogeta> kubuntu has more dls then ubuntu
[04:49] <gogeta> woot
[04:49] <Kage> Binary_Wolf: Thanks for the help though :)
[04:49] <Kage> gogeta: unity is fail ;)
[04:50] <Binary_Wolf> Kage: not at all :)
[04:50] <Icallitvera> can anyone here help me with a problem with my KGpg?
[04:50] <gogeta> bought to say wolf will argure but we knoe
[04:51] <Kage> gogeta: dunno, gnome people have REALLY started to hate on KDE
[04:51] <Kage> people telling me windows 7 desktop is better then kde4
[04:51] <gogeta> Kage: hahaha
[04:51] <Daskreech> gogeta: How do you know?
[04:51] <gogeta> Kage: think most where burned by 3
[04:52] <gogeta> Kage: havent gave 4.6 a fair shake
[04:52] <Daskreech> Kage: Welcome to the age old war
[04:52] <gogeta> DarkriftX: the turrns has more seeds and leechers
[04:52] <gogeta> turrents
[04:52] <gogeta> lol tabbed wrong name
[04:52] <Kage> Daskreech: naw, I have been using Linux for 8 years, I never seen poeople dish KDE so much
[04:53] <gogeta> Kage: seems odd there bashing kde but the turrns are bigger
[04:53] <Binary_Wolf> i dont know why ppl like kde
[04:53] <gogeta> then gnomes
[04:53] <gogeta> turrents
[04:53] <gogeta> so there must be alot of people defeting
[04:53] <gogeta> defecting
[04:54] <Daskreech> Binary_Wolf: Not sure why people like Linux'
[04:54] <gogeta> lol
[04:54] <aperson> so, is there an equivalent to gnome's force quit applet?
[04:54] <gogeta> yes'
[04:54] <Kage> aperson: xkill?
[04:54] <Daskreech> aperson: alt+ctrl+Esc?
[04:54] <gogeta> xkill or right click and close
[04:54] <Binary_Wolf> Daskreech: kde looks like same windows maybe thats why
[04:54] <gogeta> it will see ts not responding
[04:55] <gogeta> and offer a force close
[04:55] <aperson> gogeta⍈ apparently not always
[04:55] <Binary_Wolf> for people who are nostalgic for windows
[04:55] <gogeta> yea not always but nyther did gnomes
[04:55] <aperson> I have the system settings window stuck unresponsive
[04:55] <gogeta> xkill works
[04:55] <gogeta> all the time
[04:55] <aperson> gogeta⍈ thus why I'm asking ;)
[04:55] <Kage> Binary_Wolf: gconf is more like windows registery then anything KDE has
[04:55] <aperson> ooh, I'ma have to make a shortcut for that, thanks
[04:55] <Binary_Wolf> gui is almost identical
[04:56] <Kage> Binary_Wolf: maybe by default, but you can customize KDE a lot more then gnome
[04:56] <aperson> sounds like a discussion for the ot channel :)
[04:57] <Binary_Wolf> Kage: same for Gnome, i can customize almost everything in it
[04:57] <Kage> Binary_Wolf: KDE is more customizable... and most of gnome's customization has to be done though gconf
[04:57] <Kage> which is horrible
[04:57] <Binary_Wolf> why?
[04:58] <Binary_Wolf> its not that bad as you would through console :)
[04:58] <Binary_Wolf> do
[04:58] <Binary_Wolf> though you can
[04:59] <Kage> Binary_Wolf: gconf is clear clone of the window's registery... and I would say the registery is the source of 75% of issues on Windows
[04:59] <Kage> though gconf is more human friendly the the window registery
[04:59] <Kage> still, its bad design IMO
[04:59] <Binary_Wolf> Kage: well you can find those config files directly and modify them
[05:00] <Kage> Binary_Wolf: true, but that is even harder to use... KDE has control panel settings for almost all the customization
[05:00] <Daskreech> Kage: Why is the registry a bad design?
[05:01] <Kage> Daskreech: prone to bloast
[05:01] <Kage> bloat*
[05:01] <Daskreech> (for Gconf) IT's obviously a clearly stupid idea for Windows
[05:02] <Kage> Daskreech: the issue I have with the windows registery is that its the perfect hidding place for malware... and many programs forget to remove stuff from the registery when you uninstall them
[05:03] <Kage> Daskreech: it becomes a waste land of dead ends, bad settings that the average user can never fix
[05:03] <Daskreech> well on Windows it's a single file holding all the important information for the whole OS that any process can write into. It's clearly a stupid concept but Gnome is no where near crucial for the computer to work
[05:04] <Daskreech> If you can corrupt Gconf life goes on and it's much more resistant to change than the Windows Registry
[05:04] <gogeta> zzzzzzzzzzzz
[05:04] <gogeta> gconif zzzzzzzzzz
[05:05] <gogeta> unless its broken its not something i would even care abought
[05:05] <Daskreech> But it being an area that the average user will never b e able to fix does provide a good description for Gnome's Gconf
[05:05] <gogeta> contunes using kde
[05:05] <Daskreech> That would be in alignment with the design ideas of Gnome though
[05:05] <Kage> Daskreech: I agree that gconf is 100 times better then the windows registery... but I still don't like it
[05:06] <gogeta> think you mean unity restant to change
[05:06] <Daskreech> Fair enough
[05:06] <Kage> Daskreech: Gnome's motd is "The user is a idiot"
[05:06] <Kage> Daskreech: KDE doesn't treat me like that
[05:06] <Daskreech> gogeta: It's not old enough for me to make that statement
[05:06] <gogeta> most are unfortanly
[05:06] <Daskreech> ha :)
[05:06] <gogeta> i do pc work from time to time
[05:06] <gogeta> i sware every call
[05:07] <gogeta> some spyware loded pc
[05:07] <gogeta> loaded
[05:07] <gogeta> with no protection
[05:07] <gogeta> or a anti vires trial that expired 6 months ago
[05:07] <Kage> Daskreech: actually one thing people don't like about KDE that I hear is a lot is that it has too many options
[05:07] <Kage> Daskreech: and thats its overwhelming
[05:07] <gogeta> naa plasma is so streamlined
[05:08] <Binary_Wolf> for me it seemed laggy
[05:08] <Daskreech> Binary_Wolf: in what way?
[05:08] <Binary_Wolf> at least i tried it on 1 gb netbook
[05:08] <Binary_Wolf> cpu was loaded higher than 50%
[05:08] <Daskreech> Binary_Wolf: I'd be more willing to blame your videocard than the Proc for lag
[05:08] <Kage> Binary_Wolf: not for me, and infact benchmarks actually show that KDE4 is faster then Gnome3
[05:08] <gogeta> well its not gonna do your 5 sec boot
[05:08] <gogeta> never was kdes focus
[05:09] <Binary_Wolf> im not talking about boot
[05:09] <gogeta> depends on what you ran
[05:09] <Binary_Wolf> does kde requier sophisticated hardware
[05:09] <gogeta> naa
[05:09] <Kage> Binary_Wolf: for all the features, yes
[05:09] <Kage> if you wanna use kwin4 compistion
[05:09] <Kage> and some other stuff
[05:09] <gogeta> i turn off compiz on my netbook
[05:09] <gogeta> its snappy
[05:09] <Binary_Wolf> thats what i had to do
[05:10] <gogeta> i can leave it on
[05:10] <gogeta> i just dont like compiz at all
[05:10] <Kage> mine can run it fine, I just don't like all the effects
[05:10] <Kage> its pretty, and fun for awhile
[05:10] <Daskreech> Binary_Wolf: require? I woudln't say that. but certainly is nicer with
[05:10] <Kage> but aftre awhile you get sick of it, at least I do
[05:10] <gogeta> if you set it to low gpu low cpu the effects are pretty mutch all off
[05:11] <Kage> kmix does have issues with pulseaudio
[05:11] <Binary_Wolf> oh okay
[05:11] <Kage> or at least it did
[05:11] <Daskreech> Binary_Wolf: but I've gotten annoyed with things and turned off Plasma and just kept using the rest of KDE
[05:11] <gogeta> but if your looking no bs window manager lxde
[05:12] <Daskreech> It's useful in that respect
[05:13] <Binary_Wolf> how large are these kdewallpapers ? O.o they are downloading for 30 mins already
[05:13] <Binary_Wolf> [upgrading...]
[05:14] <gogeta> you knoe al the repos are slow
[05:14] <gogeta> all
[05:14] <Binary_Wolf> it is night so...
[05:14] <Binary_Wolf> why arent ppl sleeping lol
[05:14] <gogeta> they will be loaded for days
[05:14] <gogeta> maybe they are but not in other areas
[05:14] <Kage> Binary_Wolf: people download while sleeping?
[05:14] <Binary_Wolf> i downloaded 50% of it yay
[05:15] <gogeta> of course hehe
[05:15] <Binary_Wolf> true
[05:15] <Binary_Wolf> lol
[05:15] <gogeta> i always do that for huge files
[05:15] <Binary_Wolf> well 400 mb is not huge i thought
[05:15] <gogeta> 400mb at 5kb
[05:15] <gogeta> due to massiv server overload
[05:15] <gogeta> lol
[05:15] <Binary_Wolf> lol
[05:16] <Kage> I have obsession... with large files, Ill stop the download at 50% and start it over so the bar will go faster
[05:16] <Kage> then I stop it at 50% again
[05:16] <gogeta> lol
[05:16] <Kage> and repeat
[05:16] <Kage> until the download happwns in like 10 seconds
[05:21] <antoranz_> HI, guys!
[05:22] <antoranz_> I wanted to know if anybody else besides me has experienced one out of control kde4 process after coming from hibernation?
[05:22] <antoranz_> the process in my computer start taking 100% cpu time and kde becomes unresponsive
[05:23] <Daskreech> antoranz_: Which process is that?
[05:23] <antoranz_> I'm not sure which one it isd... I could try to replicate the situation and give you more info from ps
[05:23] <antoranz_> I mean, I know it's kde4 because that's the name of the binary on top
[05:24] <Daskreech> antoranz_: Are you sure it's not kded4 ?
[05:24] <antoranz_> oh.... it could be
[05:24] <antoranz_> as a matter of fact, it probably is
[05:30] <antoranz> hi again
[05:30] <antoranz> got disconnected
[05:30] <antoranz> don't know if you said anything... or what was the last messsage I was able to send
[05:31] <antoranz> I sais that it probably is kded4 and not kde4 as I said first
[05:31] <antoranz> then I kept on telling about what happens when kded4 gous nuts:
[05:31] <antoranz> I can go to the VTs and kill it and so regain a workable KDE,... however Knetwork manager won't show any of the available wireless networks or the USB dongle when I connect it
[05:31] <antoranz> also, some hidden icons show up at the tray (indexing, printer, bluetooh)
[05:31] <antoranz> but without network manager working, it's like having no desktop, so I have to restart the session
[05:32] <antoranz> anybody having the same issues? has a bug been filed already?
[05:32] <antoranz> shold I file for it?
[05:44] <katsrc> blah so no way could i get the open source drivers to work with correct resolution
[05:44] <katsrc> tried almost everything
[05:44] <katsrc> in the process lost my smooth font rendering
[05:45] <Daskreech> antoranz: You can file against it
[05:45] <antoranz> sure.... wanted to know if he problem had been spotted by other people already
[05:47] <Taggnostr> I just updated to 10.10 and the "close tab" button of konsole seems "disabled" (i.e. gray and can't click on it). Also if I right click on a tab there's no "close tab". Does anyone else have the same problem?
[05:49] <Daskreech> antoranz: I never hibernate or suspend so I haven't but it's still a bug that needs to be noted. Have you looked at b.k.o to see if it's listed?
[05:49] <Daskreech> Taggnostr: how many tabs do you have ?
[05:49] <Taggnostr> 2-3
[05:50] <antoranz> .... and what's b.k.o?
[05:50] <Taggnostr> and even if I open a new tab the button is still gray
[06:20]  * LW_Away is away: Gone away for now
[06:39] <Daskreech> antoranz: bugs.kde.org
[06:40] <Daskreech> Taggnostr: I suppose exit still works?
[07:03] <Taggnostr> Daskreech, if you mean closing konsole, yes, that works
[07:04] <Daskreech> Taggnostr: what's the version of Konsole?
[07:04] <Taggnostr> 2.6.2, using kde 4.6.2
[07:06] <Daskreech> Taggnostr: Not sure I have 2.6.2 on 4.6.2 on 10.10 and it closes fine here
[07:06] <Taggnostr> what menu items do you see when you right click on a tab?
[07:06] <Taggnostr> I only have detach and rename
[07:07] <Taggnostr> btw, I changed the profile to show the open/close tab buttons next to the tab bar, I think they are not visible by default
[07:36] <C_H> Hi, where are all the kde settings file kept
[07:37] <C_H> ie personal settings regarding plasma desktop and the like
[07:38] <Tm_T> ~/.kde/share/
[07:38] <C_H> ok, thanks
[08:00] <aperson> yofel☞ fwiw, my problem with desktop effects was that I had both my displays as separate x servers with xinerama, instead of twinview
[08:52] <melkor20> hello everybody
[08:52] <melkor20> I have an overheating xps
[08:52] <melkor20> with the last kubuntu
[08:53] <melkor20> it seems, that is due to the frequency of the processors
[08:53] <melkor20> I want to put them "on demand"
[08:53] <melkor20> but don't know how
[08:54] <melkor20> I found that setting up the "laptop-mode" you can fix this
[08:54] <melkor20> anyone knows how to do that?
[08:57] <melkor20> hello?
[09:46] <ares_cz> hi I just upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04 and after reboot I see only sh:grub> shell (GRUB version on top of screen is 1.97~beta4)
[09:46] <ares_cz> I can setup kernel with "linux /boot/vmlinuz.... root=...) but when I run command boot I get kernel panic - no root partition found
[09:47] <ares_cz> how can I fix this?
[09:50] <Peace-> mm
[09:50] <Peace-> i guess
[09:50] <Peace-> !grub2
[09:51] <ares_cz> I already read  wiki, restore method doesn't work for me, I didn't lost grub because of windows reinstall
[09:51] <well_laid_lawn> !blkid
[09:52] <ares_cz> well I can find out UUID but what's that good for?
[09:54] <Peace-> ares_cz: to fix grub
[09:54] <Peace-> you have to edit some configuration file
[09:54] <Peace-> and fix the grub
[09:54] <Peace-> *i guess*
[09:54] <Peace-> it can't find the /
[09:55] <ares_cz> ah ok let me boot live distro again
[09:55] <Macer> i am trying to upgrade to natty and it hung on the mysql config
[09:55] <Macer> Installing new version of config file /etc/init/mysql.conf ...
[09:55] <Macer> i would assume a popup window is supposed to be asking me to replace it but there isn't one. am i missing something here?
[09:56] <Peace-> Macer: mm are you sure it doens' t ask for settings ?
[09:56] <Peace-> because when you upgrade a lots of times the system seems blocked
[09:56] <Peace-> but just because it is waiting for user input
[09:56] <Macer> this is the first time i'm upgrading
[09:56] <Macer> and i don't see anywhere i put input
[09:56] <Macer> i'm looking for a window or something in the term but all it says is that it is updating mysql.conf
[09:57] <Macer> omg are you kidding me.. it's at 96%
[09:57] <Peace-> Macer: screenshot please
[09:57] <Macer> what'st he key combo for a screen shot? :)
[09:57] <Peace-> stamp ?
[09:58] <Peace-> here on natty i have stamp
[09:58] <Macer> well i'm in maverick upgrading to natty
[09:58] <ares_cz> prtscn I guess
[09:58] <Macer> and stuck at installing new version of mysql.conf :(
[09:58] <Macer> wow this sucks
[09:59] <Peace-> Macer: i would use terminal
[09:59] <Peace-> everytime
[09:59] <Peace-> well... i don't use ugprade
[09:59] <Peace-> this is my point of view.
[09:59] <Peace-> i install the system i guess it takes less time for me
[10:00] <ares_cz> I've got UUID for my disk, what's next please? I haven't configured grub2 yet (just grub)
[10:00] <Macer> well. i was able to cancel it
[10:00] <Macer> let me remove mysql and try again
[10:00] <Peace-> ares_cz: you have to read the wiki ...
[10:01] <Peace-> ares_cz: it's similar to grub1 but with different layout and configuration files
[10:01] <Peace-> just that you have to take time and read documentation
[10:01] <Peace-> xD
[10:02] <ares_cz> hm gr8
[10:12] <paolinux> hi
[10:14] <Macer> wow
[10:14] <Macer> well... now kde starts with a blank screen
[10:14] <Macer> awesome
[10:14] <Peace-> xD
[10:14] <Peace-> i guess you need some pakcages...
[10:16] <Macer> yeah
[10:16] <Macer> but i don't know which ones .. ugh
[10:16] <Macer> and apt seems to believe that everything is well
[10:17] <Macer> is there an apt reinstall command for dist-upgrade ?
[10:20] <Peace-> Macer: what do you mean ?
[10:21] <Macer> to do like apt-get --reinstall dist-upgrade
[10:21] <Macer> or something like that
[10:21] <paolinux> is possible to install kde 4.6.2 on 10.04?
[10:21] <ares_cz> ok for anyone who is curious, reinstalling grub2 from natty live distro worked, grub was not installed during update (there remained old version which was corrupted somehow)
[10:22] <Peace-> paolinux: i guess no
[10:22] <Peace-> Macer: omg but.. what did you do before?
[10:22] <Peace-> Macer: dist upgrade has done the job?
[10:23] <Peace-> ares_cz: :)
[10:23] <Peace-> nice
[10:24] <paolinux> hum
[10:24] <Peace-> paolinux: upgrading is the way to unstabilize your distro
[10:24] <Peace-> stable = no upgrade
[10:24] <Peace-> well =~
[10:24] <Peace-> xD
[10:24] <ares_cz> :)
[10:25] <yofel> more like, we never backport more than one release back, too much work
[10:25] <Peace-> paolinux: you could compile kde ...
[10:25] <Peace-> xD
[10:26] <yofel> he could, but he would have to update a dozen system libraries to get it to build right
[10:26] <Macer> ok i am at a loss
[10:26] <Macer> it logs in.. does the fade to black thing where my desktop should pop up
[10:26] <Macer> i hear music playing
[10:26] <ddddddddddd> i need help
[10:26] <Macer> but no plasma desktop
[10:26] <Peace-> Macer: ok
[10:26] <paolinux> Peace-: i see
[10:26] <Peace-> Macer: press thsi
[10:26] <ddddddddddd> can i  run an command as systemstart
[10:27] <ddddddddddd> like /etc/init.d/cups start
[10:27] <Peace-> Macer: CTRL ALT F2
[10:27] <ddddddddddd> can i do it start and shutdown
[10:27] <ddddddddddd> ??????
[10:27] <yofel> ddddddddddd: cups should be started by default on boot
[10:27] <Peace-> Macer: login with that
[10:27] <Peace-> Macer: and try to startx
[10:27] <ddddddddddd> yesit was an example
[10:27] <ddddddddddd> but ccpd dont it
[10:28] <yofel> well, either add it to the default runlevel using update-rc.d, or put a start command  in /etc/rc.local
[10:29] <Macer> yeah i think that this is broken
[10:29] <Macer> i did
[10:29] <ddddddddddd> yofel
[10:29] <Peace-> Macer: ok now log in
[10:29] <ddddddddddd> how to do? i am noob
[10:29] <Peace-> and try to startx
[10:29] <Macer> xorg runs
[10:29] <Macer> kdm is running
[10:29] <Macer> after i login all i get is a black screen
[10:29] <Macer> i see the splash do its thing and it fades out
[10:29] <Peace-> ok
[10:29] <yofel> ddddddddddd: 'sudo update-rc.d ccpd defaults' shoudl do it
[10:29] <Macer> and all i have is black. i tried creating a new user and logging in as a new user as well
[10:30] <Macer> same proble
[10:30] <Peace-> Macer: try this ALT F2
[10:30] <Peace-> Macer: something appear ?
[10:30] <bangLUCE> hi. how can I make a non-root program open port 80 ?
[10:30] <Macer> yeah
[10:30] <Macer> a thing at the top of the screen that looks like a search
[10:31] <Peace-> Macer: writhe this  then press enter :   plasma-destkop
[10:31] <mfraz74> Upgraded my netbook to 11.04 this week and now whenever I use rsync to sync my files over a wireless connection, the connection keeps dropping
[10:31] <Peace-> Macer: then, maybe you have to do the same but this time , kwin --replace
[10:32] <Macer> ok.. one minute
[10:32] <Macer> actually i think i know what the problem was but i am checking now
[10:33] <Macer> well
[10:33] <Macer> that seemed like it worked
[10:33] <Peace-> what?
[10:33] <Macer> typing plasma-desktop started it
[10:33] <Peace-> yes
[10:33] <Peace-> for some reasons mybe some bad installation
[10:33] <Macer> so how do i get it to stick?
[10:33] <Macer> :)
[10:34] <Macer> let me try logging out and back in and see what happens now
[10:34] <Peace-> should work
[10:34] <Macer> well
[10:34] <Macer> that worked
[10:34] <Macer> thanks :)
[10:34] <Macer> brb.. going back to kde
[10:37] <Macer> ok that is working again. thanks so much Peace-
[10:37] <Macer> :)
[10:37] <Peace-> :P
[10:37] <Peace-> Macer: my blog is my blog :)
[10:37] <Macer> haha
[10:37] <Peace-> old article
[10:38] <Macer> ok well. i had to head out to work.. i will tweak it back to where it was later
[10:38] <Peace-> i have had that problem
[10:38] <Macer> or just move my .kde backup over
[10:38] <Macer> i rm'd the .kde dir trying to see if it were some sort of old setting that was incompatible with the newer ver of kde
[10:38] <Peace-> many time ~/.kde moving it's a solution
[10:38] <Macer> yeah :)
[10:38] <Peace-> but sometime no
[10:38] <Peace-> :)
[10:38] <Macer> didn't work this time tho.. what you told me to do did
[10:39] <Macer> but i have to leave. so i will play with natty kubuntu when i get back home
[10:39] <Macer> thanks again
[10:39] <Peace-> bye
[11:16] <paolinux_> hu... perhaps i have found a little bug... i mounted a nfs share on my kubuntu desktop, when the nfs share is down  all plasmoid don't works... all desktop is blocked
[11:17] <paolinux_> i can move mouse and switch beetwen applicaione with alt+tab
[11:18] <ddddddddddd> LETS PARTY !!!
[11:19] <paolinux_> but nothing works when i click on k menu or on others plasmoids
[11:22] <simion314> paolinux_: maybe is a video driver problem? bad drivers often cause for me strange problems
[11:22] <paolinux_> this is a bornig issue
[11:24] <simion314> if you are using a proprietary driver try the opensource one
[11:25] <paolinux_> simion314: no,  my video drivers working fine and i have tested putting down the nfs server and my desktop blocks
[11:25] <paolinux_> then putting up the nfs server my desktop return to works
[11:26] <alvin> paolinux_: It that bug doesn't exist yet, report it please.
[11:28] <paolinux_> alvin: yes... i will verify as soon as possilbe, if it dosen't exist i will report it :)
[11:32] <Moobil> hi
[11:32] <Moobil> there is a caldav/carddav support in akonadi, but I'm unable to find it
[11:32] <Moobil> does someone has it ?
[11:44] <ddddddddddd> hello  need helrp
[11:44] <ddddddddddd> i want the command /etc/init.d/ccpd start
[11:45] <ddddddddddd> hello  need helrp
[11:45] <ddddddddddd> i want the command /etc/init.d/ccpd start
[11:46] <yofel> ddddddddddd: what still doesn't work?
[11:46] <ddddddddddd> yofel
[11:47] <ddddddddddd> start and shutdown dont work
[11:47] <ddddddddddd> add there dont work
[11:47] <yofel> what? you mean 'sudo /etc/init.d/ccpd start' doesn't work?
[11:47] <ddddddddddd> no
[11:47] <ddddddddddd> that work
[11:48] <ddddddddddd> and it should work at start up
[11:48] <ddddddddddd> automatically
[11:48] <Moobil> can you change your nick ? :)
[11:48] <Moobil> you probably have to make a link to the rc level
[11:48] <ddddddddddd> i entered in
[11:49] <ddddddddddd>  /etc/rc.local
[11:49] <ddddddddddd> that work
[11:49] <ddddddddddd> and insserv ccpd works too
[11:49] <Moobil> ln -s /etc/init.d/ccpd /etc/rc3.d/
[11:49] <Moobil> not sure it's 3 for ubuntu
[11:49] <yofel> a) it's 2, b) you should use update-rc.d for that
[11:49] <pider55> upgaded yesterday to natty, something went wrong, I get grub starting, but it do not start when I choose Linux 2.6.38.8, just black screen, I have an option in grub says "previous Linux version and this starts my old 10.10 kubuntu with 4.6.2 kde. Can anyone help?
[11:50] <ddddddddddd> so yofel
[11:50] <ddddddddddd> plöe
[11:50] <yofel> and if you link it by hand you need to add a 'S' to the link
[11:50] <ddddddddddd> please help me
[11:50] <ddddddddddd> how to do i am noob, i change my nick
[11:50] <yofel> PeterFranzz: I already told you the update-rc.d command, see the log
[11:51] <befehelll> sudo update-rc.d ccpd defaults ?
[11:51] <befehelll> @yofel
[11:52] <yofel> yes
[11:52] <befehelll> okay
[11:52] <befehelll> and why start and shutdown
[11:52] <befehelll> doent work
[11:52] <yofel> no idea, what does that ccpd even do?
[11:53] <befehelll> dont
[11:53] <befehelll> ccpd starts a
[11:53] <yofel> maybe it starts before some of it's dependencies?
[11:53] <befehelll> no
[11:53] <befehelll> it is a printer driver
[11:53] <befehelll> the service start at root
[11:53] <yofel> k, then it shouldn't matter when it starts..
[11:54] <befehelll> it must be start as root
[11:54] <Moobil> it's a daemon for canon printers
[11:54] <yofel> yes, having the link in /etc/rc2.d will start is on boot as root
[11:54] <yofel> *start it
[11:54] <yofel> ah
[11:54] <befehelll> how to do
[11:54] <Moobil> befehelll: verify that your script is executable
[11:54] <befehelll> i can tell you that under gnome
[11:55] <Moobil> ls -l /etc/init.d/sspd , it should have rwxr-xr-x
[11:55] <befehelll> i could i system -> startupprograms
[11:55] <befehelll> and enter command theree
[11:55] <befehelll> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://dnol.bplaced.de/update-startprogramm.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/update-notifier-benachrichtigt-nicht/&usg=__D8_kARxbxqYkIao1PJsYs97VGrc=&h=394&w=945&sz=210&hl=de&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=QWFk2KQw5ZhlEM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=212&ei=Fpm6TZ3KMo3LtAaDw42RBg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dstartprogramme%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dde%26client%3Dubuntu%26sa%3DN%26channel%3Dfs%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D901%26tbm%3
[11:56] <befehelll> but under kde ...
[11:58] <befehelll> helloo ??
[11:58] <yofel> befehelll: you do realize that adding it to startupprograms will run it as your user, not root?
[11:58] <befehelll> no it stars at root because
[11:58] <yofel> befehelll: also be patient please, we have other things to do too..
[11:58] <befehelll> i addet: sudo /etc/init.d/ccpd start
[11:58] <befehelll> in gnome it works, kde not !!
[11:59] <befehelll> bevause kde starts as user
[11:59] <befehelll> i think
[11:59] <yofel> I don't get why sudo would work unless you added NOPASSWD in sudoers, if not how does it ask for the password?
[12:00] <befehelll> OH HHHH
[12:00] <befehelll> wait please waitg
[12:05] <zCROSSBONESz> hello....probably are tired of hearing this but can anyone point me to a good "how to" regarding enabling Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY wireless in 11.04?
[12:06] <zCROSSBONESz> I've tried fcutter
[12:07] <zCROSSBONESz> also enabling install from cd.....no good yet
[12:10] <pider55> upgaded yesterday to natty, something went wrong, I get grub starting, but it do not start when I choose Linux 2.6.38.8, just black screen, I have an option in grub says "previous Linux version and this starts my old 10.10 kubuntu with 4.6.2 kde. Can anyone help?
[12:12] <zoopp> hello
 I think it best to all ways clean install..............
[12:13] <Moobil> pider55: which graphic card do you have ?
[12:13] <zoopp> might someone know why in kubuntu my cpu fan never takes a break? acording to /proc/cpuinfo it's set to the minimum frequency. In gnome it was active only when playing a movie/running some CPU intensive task.
[12:14] <pider55> but then I loose all my tweacks
[12:14] <pider55> I have Nvidia
 But,............less heartaches
[12:15] <pider55>  nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GTX] (rev a2)
[12:16] <zCROSSBONESz> STA wireless is there by default but not B43 cant seem to get b43 in there for the life of me
[12:17] <Moobil> it's perhaps because of kms with nouveau driver
[12:19] <Moobil> pider55: at boot, add modeset=0 at end
[12:19] <Moobil> to be sure it isn't relatd to the kms
[12:19] <pider55> where do I add this
[12:20] <Moobil> at boot,, press e to edit the boot line
[12:21] <pider55> okI try that, thanks
[12:23] <zoopp> might someone know why in kubuntu my cpu fan never takes a break? acording to /proc/cpuinfo it's set to the minimum frequency. In gnome it was active only when playing a movie/running some CPU intensive task.
[12:23] <zCROSSBONESz> would anyone sacrifice a bit of time to help me get my wireless working in a clean install of natty?
[12:24] <zCROSSBONESz> Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY  Cant get B43-fcutter working
[12:25] <zCROSSBONESz> also have CiscoE4200 router
[12:26] <zCROSSBONESz> if that may be of importance
[12:26] <zCROSSBONESz> sounds yummy huh :+)
[12:27] <eagles0513875> whats the issue that its saying with the b43fwcutter
[12:27] <eagles0513875> and how are you installing it
[12:27] <eagles0513875> zCROSSBONESz:
 I install it through software access and nothing enables
[12:28] <Macer> well. back to my acl fun
[12:28] <Macer> weeeee
[12:28] <Macer> ubuntu server isnt too bad.. i used to shun ubuntu in favor of fbsd or osol
[12:29] <zCROSSBONESz> I got to proprietary software and it doesnt show
[12:29] <Macer> waiting for my new old cpus to come in that i got off ebay.. bumping my dual dual 1.8 opterons to 2.6GHz
[12:30] <Macer> 800MHz x 4 more should help a bit
 I know Im doing something stupid...
 ?
 I'm 60 yrs old.....maybe that's it?
 anyway... proprietary software shows STA but not B43 ?
[12:34] <zCROSSBONESz> I try to enable STA and get error.............
[12:35] <zCROSSBONESz> Sorry, installation of this driver failed. Please have a look at the log file for details: /var/log/jockey.log
[12:35] <zCROSSBONESz> so i look.......it just looks back......
[12:37] <pider55> Moobil: did not help( modeset=0 ), I feel that the upgrade did not go right, can I upgrade one more time?
 want me to paste output on pastebin?
[12:44] <zCROSSBONESz> Would someone please review: http://tinypaste.com/49f5a2 and suggest solution to trying to enable wireless on Clean install of natty?
[12:45] <zCROSSBONESz> I think the blacklist is the key....
[12:46] <zCROSSBONESz> I'm old and not much time left :)
[12:51] <LogicallyDashing> how do I restart Plasma without logging out
[12:55] <yofel> LogicallyDashing: alt+f2 -> kquitapp plasma-desktop && plasma-destkop
 Do you feel up to a wireless problem?
[12:57] <yofel> nope, I can't tell you more about wireless problems than to check /var/log/syslog for errors and then google
[12:58] <zCROSSBONESz> did that but I guess since natty is so new they're not many solutions
[13:02] <LogicallyDashing> yofel: not sure why but the && doesn't seem to have its usual effect from inside the runner.
[13:02] <yofel> could be that kquitapp errored out, use ; instead
[13:03] <zCROSSBONESz> Ok...Is anyone on the channel who is adept at solving wireless problems and has time to help me.....I've honestly tried what I know and researched
[13:09] <Macer> hm every time i have tried using wifi in kubuntu  it was just a matter of  using the network applet
[13:09] <zCROSSBONESz> Well, everyone have a great day and Congrats William and Kate! cyall.............
[13:09] <Macer> have you tried just running it open for a few to make sure it isnt a key problem?
[13:10] <zCROSSBONESz> ooops....sory Macer:
[13:10] <Macer> bbiab
 proprietary drivers show STA and when I enable it wont get error check log
 I useually use B43 but cant seem to get it listed
[13:12] <zCROSSBONESz> Macer: http://tinypaste.com/49f5a2
[13:15] <Macer> ...
[13:15] <Peace-> Macer:
[13:16] <Peace-> what's the problem ?
[13:16] <Macer> uhm
[13:16] <Macer> it says the module is blacklisted
[13:16] <Macer> huh? i dont have one heh
[13:17] <Macer> did you exclude the module zCROSSBONESz
[13:17] <Macer> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[13:18] <zCROSSBONESz> checking...
[13:18] <Peace-> Macer: which card have you ?
[13:19] <Macer> i dont
[13:19] <Macer> i use wired heh
[13:19] <Macer> only use wifi for my phone and laptops
[13:19] <Macer> and wii heh
[13:19] <zCROSSBONESz> macer: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY
[13:19] <Peace-> !broadcom
[13:20] <Macer> Heh.. well there you go
[13:20] <Macer> :)
[13:20] <zCROSSBONESz> ????
[13:21] <Macer> read the website Peace- put there for you
[13:21] <Macer> it has step by steps
[13:21] <zCROSSBONESz> TY all
[13:21] <Macer> for your model
[13:22] <zCROSSBONESz> I appreciate it........passed that one somehoe....
[13:22] <zCROSSBONESz> gday ALL
[13:34] <tesdsfsfdfds> yofel ?
[13:35] <mime1111> hello linux users. i have an external hdd, once i plug it, it makes a strange sound (like writting, more high and noisy), kubuntu doesnt automount it; no detection tiping fdisk -l in konsole, no folder in /...media..., in sh*itdows it works. any help? thank you all.
[13:35] <Peace-> mm
[13:35] <Peace-> ohi ohi ohi
[13:36] <yofel> tesdsfsfdfds: ?
[13:37] <tesdsfsfdfds> yofel i have added the command to startup and shutdown, the command sudo /etc/init.d/ccpd start and to /etc/sudoers added the root command and it works !! :)
[13:37] <tesdsfsfdfds> is "Startup and shutdown" in to KDE for commands like thesee tooo ??
[13:38] <tesdsfsfdfds> i Thought it is only for programs
[13:39] <yofel> as I said, I haven't used it much yet. But good that it works now :)
[13:39] <tesdsfsfdfds> ok yes thats great
[13:39] <tesdsfsfdfds> i didnt knew that this works
[13:40] <tesdsfsfdfds> i thought it is only for programs
[13:41] <mime1111> hello linux users. i have an external hdd, once i plug it, it makes a strange sound (like writting, more high and noisy), kubuntu doesnt automount it; no detection tiping fdisk -l in konsole, no folder in /...media..., in sh*itdows it works. any help? thank you all
[13:42] <eagles0513875> mime1111: is it like a clicking noise
[13:44] <mime1111> yes!
[13:44] <mime1111> the drice is NTFS
[13:44] <mime1111> drive
[13:44] <mime1111> but in format options in xp, no ''fat32'' option is avaiable
[13:48] <mime1111> partition magic?
[13:48] <gl_gl> I am getting an error "unable tp launch X session falling back to default session" after I click OK the session starts fine (11.04 on a eee pc)
[13:49] <gl_gl> Suggestions?
[13:52] <simi_> gl_gl: check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[13:53] <gl_gl> Thanks I will next. Actually the error says: unable ot launch "" X session --- "" not found; falling bac kto default session.
[14:00] <gl_gl> simi_: there are nio (EE) errors... is the X session looking for some file which is not found?
[14:07] <simi_> gl_gl: i am not sure how k/ubuntu is booting this days
[14:08] <sysop3> I wonder if 11.04 will be the version of kubuntu I can install on my dads machine.
[14:09] <simi_> sysop3: if the drivers work fine then you can try it
[14:09] <OerHeks> sysop3, did you try any kubuntu before, on that machine ?
[14:16] <chachan> guys, after upgrading, my gtk stuff is looking very ugly, is something that I need to install?, remove an old configuration?. configure something?
[14:20] <mjobin> hello
[14:29] <Sutix___> Hi, anyone here who can and want to help me with some problems after upgrading to 11.04?
[14:32] <gl_gl> Sutix___: join the club :-(
[14:33] <chachan> is everyone having the GTK problem?
[14:33] <Sutix___> Which one?
[14:33] <Sutix___> I have a lot since the update
[14:33] <chachan> it's ugly
[14:34] <Sutix___> No nvidia drivers are used, gdm as default login(!) even after changing default alternatives all back to kde, corrupt user account
[14:36] <chachan> what do you mean with corrupt user account?, when I was restarting I saw a mounting /home issue, I had to mount it by hand but after that the partition was mounted by itself
[14:37] <Sutix___> yes. GDM don't ask for a password
[14:37] <chachan> gdm or kdm?
[14:37] <Sutix___> That's the problem. And I don't want gdm, nor have to mount my home folder everytime in another shell
[14:37] <Sutix___> gdm
[14:37] <Sutix___> I can't activate KDM
[14:38] <chachan> do you have kdm installed?
[14:38] <Sutix___> Yes. I used it before and kept old packages, so nothing was removed
[14:38] <chachan> try removing gdm and restarting
[14:39] <chachan> do you know how?
[14:39] <Sutix___> Yes. I know that. But I want to find the problem. This would just overgo the problem
[14:39] <James147> Sutix___: if you want to use kdm try running "sudo update-alternitives --configure kdm" ^^ if i remember correctly
[14:40] <Sutix___> I already changed all alternatives back to kde
[14:40] <Sutix___> But I will try that
[14:41] <yofel> iirc you need to run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm' as that's not an alternative but a file setting
[14:42] <James147> yofel: hmm thourght it was an alternitive and reconfigureing offered the option to pick which you wanted
[14:42] <Sutix___> yofel: Funny. KDM is selected as default
[14:42] <yofel> Sutix___: what does 'cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager' give you?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:43] <yofel> hey BluesKaj
[14:43] <James147> hey BluesKaj
[14:43] <BluesKaj> hi yofel
[14:43] <Sutix___> yofel: /usr/bin/kdm
[14:44] <Sutix___> I don't get it. It *should* use kdm.
[14:44] <yofel> it should yes
[14:44] <Sutix___> Okay. I just delete gdm
[14:46] <Sutix___> Another problem I have is that X doesn't use my xconfig anymore and I don't know but I think I read somewhere "if a xorg.conf is present in /etc/X11/ it should be used by default"
[14:46] <chachan> Sutix___, in order to test, you could rename the gdm binary and see who will throw you an error, I don't if you want to figure out who's telling you to use gdm and not kdm
[14:46] <Sutix___> chachan: That's a good idea!
[14:46] <BluesKaj> !purekde
[14:47] <chachan> anyone with a ugly GTK theme?
[14:47] <Sutix___> ubottu: Does that mean all GTK-Apps like in Chakra-Linux or just gnome
[14:47] <James147> Sutix___: I wouldnt just rename it ^^ that will most likly just break when try tries to load gdm and cannot find it
[14:47] <Sutix___> lol
[14:48] <James147> Sutix___: uninstalling will at least reconfigure things to use an alternitive if one is there
[14:48] <BluesKaj> too bad that URL is so old, I don't thinkit should be in the factoids til it's up to date
[14:48] <Sutix___> Yes, but I can see who throws the error
[14:48] <chachan> solved!!!
[14:48] <Sutix___> And I just see kdm AND gdm are both running
[14:49] <Sutix___> chachan: grats :)
[14:49] <chachan> System Settings > Application Appearance  > GTK+ Appearance, and set Widget Style to oxygen-gtk
[14:50] <Sutix___> Oh that :-D
[14:59] <chachan> Ok, another issue, my notification window is weird, looks like the first KDE3 or something
[14:59] <chachan> it's not embedded
[15:00] <chachan> it opens like a windows or something like that
[15:00] <James147> chachan: do you have the notification widget (probally part of the systray)?
[15:01] <chachan> James147, not for sure, should I remove it to test?
[15:01] <James147> chachan: no, rightt click the system tray > system tray settings
[15:01] <James147> make sure "notifications" is checked
[15:02] <chachan> it's checked
[15:02] <chachan> it could be a problem of the message indicator
[15:06] <Pranav_rcmas> GTK applications like firefox and xchat look kinda ugly in the new upgrade, how can i fix this?
[15:09] <janik> hi @ all
[15:14] <janik> have a question: is there an alternate way e.g. trough APT dist-upgrade to upgrade to Kubuntu 11.04
[15:15] <James147> janik: sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:15] <janik> James147: this one seems to work, thx
[15:16] <James147> ^^ thats the recomended way
[15:16] <janik> James147: hmmm, got also error message: Command terminated with exit status 1 (Fri Apr 29 16:15:57 2011) [15:16] <chachan> Pranav_rcmas, System Settings > Application Appearance  > GTK+ Appearance, and set Widget Style to oxygen-gtk
[15:17] <janik> James147: as far as I know I do not have any dep problems, however some thrid party packages like skype or opera installed
[15:17] <James147> janik: and you pastebin the entire output
[15:17] <janik> !paste
[15:18] <janik> James147: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600771
[15:18] <janik> James147: was only that
[15:19] <James147> hmm,... not very useful :S
[15:19] <janik> James147: same happends with the graphical upgrade, this error exception status 1
[15:19] <chachan> please, someone ping me to test something
[15:19] <James147> chachan: ping
[15:19] <janik> James147: apt-get dist-upgrade will not work, will it?
[15:19] <James147> janik: no
[15:20] <chachan> my message indicator still looking very bad :(
[15:20] <James147> janik: dist-upgrade wont upgrade the distrobution without changing the sources.list first... and if do-release is erroring.. dist-upgrade will probaly just break your system
[15:20] <janik> James147: And if I change the sources.list manually and try to upgrade? I do not know why it does ot work, I did not do any experiments with the system before
[15:21] <janik> James147: hmmm... I will try to remove all third party application like opera, skype, virtualbox ... maybe it will work then?!
[15:21] <James147> maby... looking at the logs might help as wel
[15:22] <BluesKaj> ok you audio freaks I have a challenge
[15:22] <janik> James147: which logs? any special ones (the one of dpkg?)
[15:23] <BluesKaj> looking for an app that unwraps Dolby Digital and passes it thru my spdif coax out to the DD/DAC on the audio receiver, there are some proprietary codecs for sale , but why should one pay for them?
[15:24] <chachan> James147, again please
[15:25] <James147> chachan: ping
[15:25] <James147> janik: hmm, not sure where the logs are
[15:26] <janik> James147: nevertheless thx for your help
[15:26] <janik> :-)
[15:27] <James147> jayne:  try /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log
[15:33]  * Binary_Wolf is back.
[15:33] <Chris_H> What was the default desktop theme in Kubuntu 10.04?
[15:33] <Chris_H> Was it Air?
[15:36] <Chris_H> Anyways, my panel doesn't look the same anymore. Previous Air theme was very good, but now it looks odd
[15:36] <James147> Chris_H: try the other ones?
[15:36] <chachan> I had the same issue
[15:37] <chachan> Chris_H, change it the theme for the one you want, and restart the session
[15:37] <Chris_H> James147: I tried a few others and they all transparency with black effects
[15:37] <chachan> change the theme*
[15:37] <Chris_H> chachan: ok
[15:37] <James147> chachan: dont need to restart the session ^^ if anything "kquitapp plasma-desktop && sleep 1 && plasma-desktop" is enough :)
[15:38] <chachan> you got it
[15:38] <Chris_H> nope, still the same
[15:38] <chachan> anyone know what's the config file to the message indicator widget?
[15:38] <chachan> Chris_H, =/
[15:39] <chachan> Chris_H, I'll remove config files, I'm not sure which ones, maybe someone in here could give you details
[15:41] <chachan> I'll remove activitymanagerrc and plasma*, they're located in ~/.kde/share/config/
[15:43] <James147> chachan: rename dont delete ^^ that way you cvan recover them if wanted
[15:45] <Chris_H> Where are configuration for the plasma desktop saved?
[15:46] <TheRaven> .
[15:48] <James147> Chris_H: ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*
[15:50] <Exposure> damnit updated kubuntu using some crappy natty updater and now suddenly i have ubuntu instead of kubuntu, WTF??
[15:50] <RVN_> Hey, I just upgraded to 11.04 now my amarok says it can't find the mp3 codecs and it crashes ....but I have them
[15:51] <RVN_> Anyone have any idea why?
[15:51] <James147> Exposure: install "kubuntu-desktop" and you will have both kubuntu and ubuntu then you can...
[15:51] <James147> !purekde
[15:52] <Exposure> James147: thanks but why did it do this in the first place?
[15:52] <James147> Exposure: dont know... what updater did you use?
[15:53] <Exposure> didn't pay enough attention to it, I got a popup telling me natty was available, I clicked update and a couple hours later I noticed it was finished and required a reboot
[15:53] <James147> so the inbuilt one... weird
[15:53] <RVN_> Is everyone's Amarok player working?
[15:53] <Exposure> apparently it removed the kde sessions since kdm complained it was missing
[15:54] <James147> Exposure: possibally you uninstalled kubuntu-desktop at one point and the updater required one of the *-desktop meta packages so install the default one
[15:54] <James147> though I cannot be sure
[15:54] <Exposure> are the apt-sources urls the same for ubuntu and kubuntu?
[15:54] <James147> Exposure: installing kubuntu-desktop should install everything needed for kubuntu system
[15:54] <James147> Exposure: yes
[15:56] <BluesKaj> RVN_, mine works ok , altho the functions and options are somewhat unresponsive and unintuative
[15:56] <Xeli> hello, i'd like to change from kde to unity, can i use the same documentation as when one would switch from kde to gnome?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> Xeli, go ask in #ubuntu :)
[15:57] <RVN_> Oh ok BluesKaj, but I can't figure out why mine says that I'm missing mp3 codecs
[15:57] <Xeli> BluesKaj, yeah i did but no responds.. ;( i guess they're getting hammered by other 11.04 questions
[15:57] <RVN_> mp3 plays in Audacious
[15:58] <DarthFrog> Xeli: If you'd like to use unity, install the ubuntu-desktop package.
[15:58] <BluesKaj> RVN_, install kubuntu-restricted-extras and checkout medibuntu
[15:59] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu | RVN_
[15:59] <chachan> anyone with the message indicator issue?
[15:59] <RVN_> ok thanks guys
[16:02] <darkrex1986> !info Amarok
[16:02] <darkrex1986> !info Amarok natty
[16:03] <BluesKaj> !amarok
[16:04] <darkrex1986> thx
[16:04] <James147> darkrex1986: package names are lowercase only ^^
[16:04] <James147> !info amarok
[16:05] <mehrab> anyone with 11.04 installation and a little time to help me please?
[16:05] <James147> !ask | mehrab
[16:07] <darkrex1986> James147 great i didnt know tha a pipe works in irc ^^
[16:07] <mehrab> James147 : thanks. I wanna install a package in offline mode. so I need someone to run grabpackages.py script and send me the list of dependencies. would you mind?
[16:07] <media> Hello: can someone help me getting my hdmi sound working? Infos: logged in as "media", phonon settings (system settings -> multimedia -> phonon) lists only one output device (i"internes Audio Analog Stereo"). Sound output via audio jack, works, but there is no sound to the hdmi device. When calling the phonon system settings as root, other devices show (HDMI aout 0, etc.). As root, the HDMI device output sound, when clicking on the test
[16:07] <media> button, but there is still no sound via a normal device like amarok. Can someone help me?
[16:09] <Macer> you are missing a group it seems
[16:10] <mehrab> James147 : it would be quick. I promise :)
[16:10] <RVN_> I can't find the package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:10] <James147> mehrab: not running natty ^^
[16:10] <genii-around> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:10] <genii-around> RVN_: Enable multiverse repository
[16:10] <James147> RVN_: make sure you update the packagelist (sudo apt-get update)
[16:10] <Macer> media: it sounds like the user you have does not have permissions to the device
[16:10] <mehrab> James147 : ok, thanks
[16:11] <RVN_> k thanks
[16:11] <DarthFrog> media: is the device muted?
[16:11] <Macer> usually  it is a group that  must be set
[16:11] <BluesKaj> RVN_,open a terminal : sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:11] <RVN_> I did, but I have to enable the repos
[16:12] <DarthFrog> mehrab: How do you expect to get any help when you don't give  the necessary information to help you?
[16:13] <BluesKaj> RVN_, a hint whenever installing a new OS always enable the repos including the canonical partners so you can install apps
[16:14] <mehrab> can anyone with 11.04 installation run this script http://j.mp/mTZezF  and send me the dependency list for package : network-manager-gnome
[16:14] <mehrab> DarthFrog : you're right. so I wrote that above
[16:16] <darkrex1986> RVN_ : try to add this repos => deb http://en.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty multiverse and deb http://en.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty-updates multiverse
[16:16] <media> Activating groups did not solve the problem up to now: I tryed to activate quite a number of them (audio, voice, pulse, pulse-access). Maybe someone can tell me, which ones are of importance to the sound. And how about not getting a HDMI sound as root (though testing the sound works there)?
[16:16] <darkrex1986> RVN_ : then run sudo apt-get update
[16:16] <RVN_> yeah, thanks guys I found it and just installed
[16:18] <RVN_> bah.. still doesn't work
[16:18] <RVN_> The New Cities - Dead End Countdown (Mansion remix) :: Amarok requires an additional plugin to decode this file
[16:18] <RVN_> The following plugin is required:
[16:18] <RVN_> MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3)
[16:18] <RVN_> Do you want to search for this now?
[16:18] <FloodBotK1> RVN_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> media, have you tried configuring pulseaudio ?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> RVN_, checkout medibuntu repos
[16:18] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu
[16:18] <darkrex1986> RVN_ :try install ffmpeg
[16:19] <RVN_> ok
[16:19] <darkrex1986> RVN_ : that works fine for me
[16:19] <OerHeks> -+56
[16:19] <OerHeks> sysop3, did you try any kubuntu before, on that machine ?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> darkrex1986, he'll get the repos for all the codecs required by installing the medibuntu repos
[16:20] <media> where can I configure pulse audio?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> media , it should be in the kmenu/apps/multimediamedia
[16:22] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: That's the config for Phonon, not pluse.
[16:23] <DarthFrog> media: Install padevchooser, paman, paprefs and pavucontrol.  Then run padevchooser.
[16:23] <wieland> how to install java in firefox 4?
[16:23] <BluesKaj> I thought pavucontrol was default in multimedia
[16:28] <RVN_> Ok, well I installed restricted extras and some packages from medibuntu
[16:28] <RVN_> still doesn't work
[16:28] <RVN_> mp3 plays on other apps
[16:28] <RVN_> but not Amarok
[16:28] <BluesKaj> RVN_, ok install libdvdcss2
[16:28] <BluesKaj> and ffmpeg
[16:29] <RVN_> ok installing libdvd
[16:29] <RVN_> already have ffmpeg
[16:29] <BluesKaj> RVN_, sometimes (dunno why) a reboot may be in order
[16:29] <RVN_> lol
[16:29] <RVN_> ok brb tehn
[16:30] <media> Everything you told me is installed. Entering padevchooser in the terminal leads to the message "gtk-WARNI
[16:30] <media> NG **: cannot open display: :0.0". Could that be, because my display is connected via HDMI?
[16:32] <92AACW2U3> no luck
[16:32] <92AACW2U3> *no luck
[16:32] <92AACW2U3> shit
[16:33] <RVN__> ....
[16:34] <RVN__> amarok still doesn't play
[16:34] <Linkmaster> RVN__: What do you mean by not playing?
[16:34] <RVN__> it can't find the mp3 codec
[16:34] <RVN__> gives me a warning
[16:34] <RVN__> but mp3 plays in toher apps
[16:35] <RVN__> like audacious
[16:35] <RVN__> and i have xine
[16:35] <RVN__> and ffmpeg
[16:35] <Linkmaster> Have you installed the 'kubuntu-restricted-extras'?
[16:35] <RVN__> yes
[16:35] <BluesKaj> media, is your soundcard audio out connected to your hdmi audio input , in some cases that's a requirement
[16:35] <Linkmaster> have you reinstalled amaroK?
[16:35] <Linkmaster> ^Or that
[16:36] <RVN__> luesKaj, what do you mean?
[16:36] <darkrex1986> RVN_ : did you have Amarok turned of ?
[16:36] <RVN__> BluesKaj, what do you mean?
[16:37] <RVN__> what?
[16:37] <RVN__> I just upgraded to natty and it borke
[16:37] <RVN__> *broke
[16:37] <BluesKaj> RVN__, I was addressing someone else (media)
[16:37] <RVN__> ok
[16:38] <BluesKaj> RVN__, whynot purge amarok and reinstall, maybe the config file is corrupted
[16:39] <RVN__> what's the best way to do that?
[16:39] <RVN__> uninstall then install?
[16:40] <RVN__> or is there a better way
[16:40] <BluesKaj> RVN__, just removing it won't work , it has to be purged , sudo apt-get purge amarok
[16:40] <RVN__> k thanks
[16:42] <media> I think that the hardware is fine: As root, I'm able to play the test sound via HDMI, using the "test" button of the Phonon-System settings (Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon)
[16:43] <RVN__> ok purged then re-installed
[16:43] <RVN__> still broken
[16:43] <BluesKaj> media, why are you root ?
[16:43] <RVN__> weird
[16:44] <BluesKaj> all mp3s or just one album or song ?
[16:44] <RVN__> all mp3s
[16:44] <RVN__> can it be someting to do with phonon backend or something?
[16:44] <RVN__> it says only Gstreamer
[16:45] <RVN__> is that normal?
[16:45] <BluesKaj> RVN__, are you using pulseaudio
[16:46] <RVN__> I beleive so
[16:46] <RVN__> *believe
[16:46] <BluesKaj> gstreamer is default now I beleive
[16:46] <BluesKaj> try it without pulseaudio
[16:47] <RVN__> there's no option in amarok to deselect it
[16:48] <media> I'm not root right now. I just wanted to now, whether the sound output works as root. Testing as root, has given some diagnosis about the problem: HDMI sound works using the "test" button as root. As root, all oputput devices are listed and work properly. As any user, only "internes Audio Analog Stereo" is listed in den Phonon-System settings, and nothing works through HDMI out
[16:48] <BluesKaj> RVN__, remove pulseaudio in the terminal
[16:50] <media> Correction: As root the output devices work when clicking the "test" button, but not normally
[16:51] <RVN__> I still get the error
[16:52] <RVN__> actually I just noticed if I try to play XVID movies with dragon
[16:52] <RVN__> I get the same error but for both codecs
[16:52] <RVN__> mp3 and Xvid
[16:52] <RVN__> but I have both codecs installed
[16:53] <RVN__> The following plugins are required:
[16:53] <RVN__> MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3)
[16:53] <RVN__> XVID MPEG-4
[16:53] <FloodBotK1> RVN__: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:02] <paolinux> is there someone that has installed 11.04... without problem?
[17:03] <paolinux> i tried to install from cd and usb pen... but the install process not start
[17:07] <BluesKaj> paolinux, I installed from the internet , sudo do-release-upgrade
[17:08] <media> blueskaj: can you help me further?
[17:08] <larstorben> media:
[17:08] <larstorben> !ask
[17:09] <paolinux> BluesKaj: i don't  want to upgrade
[17:09] <BluesKaj> media, try as a different user , is all I can think of
[17:09] <paolinux> i would make a fresh install
[17:09] <larstorben> yes
[17:09] <larstorben> paolinux what do you use noww
[17:10] <paolinux> 10.10
[17:10] <larstorben> then let it
[17:10] <larstorben> if it works good, then good
[17:10] <paolinux> larstorben: right :)
[17:10] <media> bluesky: thanks anyway
[17:10] <paolinux> but i waold try a new release
[17:11] <BluesKaj> paolinux, an upgrade from 10.10 to 110.04 may be your only alternative if the cd or usb didn't install
[17:11] <paolinux> I thought to install 11.04 on second partition
[17:12] <Daxar> Ohman, it wants to remove GIMP?
[17:12] <Daxar> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[17:12] <BluesKaj> paolinux, well, i dob't see the point , but do your thing
[17:14] <paolinux> BluesKaj: yeah.... or if is it a bug installation... i will waiting until it is not resolved
[17:14] <tommis> how can i bind krunner to another key combo?
[17:14] <tommis> never mind, found it
[17:15] <BluesKaj> tommis, why, alt+f2 is too many keys ?
[17:15] <tommis>  BluesKaj it isn't but i am used to meta+space
[17:16] <tommis> i want consistency on all my desktops
[17:16] <tommis> also
[17:16] <DarthFrog> Which is a great reason to change the key binding.
[17:16] <BluesKaj> alt+f2 is consistent,it works on mos KBs :)
[17:19] <Macer> anybody use coda with ubuntu?
[17:19] <Macer> coda the fs
[17:23] <chachan> guys, I would like to show in each virtual desktop only the applications of the current desktop and avoid showing the else, is my question clear?
[17:24] <paolinux> very strange.... installing from a virtual machine the installation process start....
[17:30] <topyli> how come i can't remove firefox? :\
[17:31] <topyli> well i can, but then kpackage would install thunderbird
[17:55] <puneet> hello
[17:55] <puneet> my netconnect was working fine last day and now its not responding
[17:55] <puneet> i am using kubuntu 10.04
[17:57] <BluesKaj> puneet, etheret or wifi ?
[17:57] <BluesKaj> ethernet
[17:57] <puneet> reliance data card
[17:57] <BluesKaj> wired?
[17:57] <puneet> model EC150
[17:57] <puneet> usb
[17:58] <BluesKaj> is the usb connection to your router wired or wifi ?
[18:00] <BluesKaj> puneet, or is your modem usb ?
[18:00] <puneet> BluesKaj: its a reliance netconnect data card device that is connected to my laptop using USB port
[18:04] <Renegade15> how the fuck do I get rid of that dumbass nouveau driver?
[18:04] <James147> Renegade15: why get rid of it?
[18:04] <puneet> i think the modem is inside the device
[18:05] <Renegade15> because it collides with the nvidia proprietary driver, reducing my beautiful KDE to a blinking cursor?
[18:05] <taj-n900> hey does anyone know what would be causing me to be in a login loop?  Never had a problem like this that has me stumped.
[18:05] <James147> Renegade15: it shouldnt collide... it more likly the nvidia one isnt set up right
[18:06] <taj-n900> I could log in via cli but now can't even get there through recovery mode
[18:06] <Renegade15> well it's working just fine now that I disabled nouveau via boot options
[18:06] <gl2> chachan: can you just set each application in the desired desktop?
[18:06] <taj-n900> and kdm gdm or xdm are not logging me in at all
[18:08] <chachan> gl2, what do you mean?. For instance, if I open "konsole" in the desktop 1 and then I change to the desktop 2. I don't want see that application listed in the desktop 2, just in desktop 1
[18:08] <James147> chachan: right click the task manager > task manager settings?
[18:08] <Renegade15> taj-n900 what does the system say before reboot?
[18:09] <Guest53463> hi where can i install a plugin for gedit?
[18:09] <gl2> chachan: I am not in kubuntu right now, but each window has a button in the title bar that points in which desktop is should show
[18:09] <BluesKaj> Renegade15, whynot use the recommended driver in the kmenu/apps/system/additional drivers ?
[18:09] <Guest53463> hi where can i install a plugin for gedit? ...what is the location?
[18:09] <chachan> gl2, got it, I didn't found those options, thanks a lot :D
[18:09] <taj-n900> nothing it logs in and the screen is fuzzy or nothing at all and then goes back to the login
[18:10] <taj-n900> or do you mean the reboot of the computer and not the login?
[18:10] <chachan> I didn't find* hahaha
[18:10] <Renegade15> BluesKaj why not just make plymouth not depend on nouveau so I can purge that driver and use my system the way I want to?
[18:11] <Renegade15> taj-n900 basically, I'm curious if there's any indication of what's wrong at all
[18:11] <taj-n900> it was working last night...and the power went out and my battery backup died and now it isn't letting me back in
[18:12] <Renegade15> did it go down hard?
[18:12] <BluesKaj> that didn't answer my question Renegade15, if you want to make your system work properly then proprietary drivers are risky
[18:12] <taj-n900> I need to hard restart to get it to shut off even.  Yes it did go down hard
[18:13] <Guest53463> hi where can i install a plugin for gedit? ...what is the location?
[18:14] <Renegade15> of course it didn't answer your question, because your question isn't related to my question. I have the propietary driver installed right now, and it's working fine. All I need is for nouveau to not interfere with it. And if plymouth didn't, for some moronic reason, depend on that driver, it would already be gone and all would be well
[18:14] <taj-n900> This is frustrating for me I can normally fix problems like this...but something is different this time and got tired of searching the web throughout links
[18:14] <James147> Guest53463: ask #ubuntu
[18:15] <Renegade15> taj-n900, are you sure the hard power off didn't damage the file system?
[18:15] <taj-n900> I ran 2 different memory checks the one on kubuntu and the one on the pc itself
[18:15] <taj-n900> and they both came back fine
[18:16] <BluesKaj> Renegade15, then drop to a tty and remove the nouveau driver
[18:16] <Renegade15> taj-n900 memory checks or hard drive/file system checks?
[18:16] <Renegade15> BluesKaj I tried to purge it, apt is bitching because plymouth depends on it
[18:16] <Renegade15> if I can boot fine without plymouth (or a broken one), that's good enough for me
[18:17] <taj-n900> memory...I'm not sure how to get to fsk without cli
[18:17] <Renegade15> do you have a computer at hand?
[18:17] <Renegade15> a live CD will allow you to do just that
[18:17] <taj-n900> ok duh
[18:18] <taj-n900> I'm dumb
[18:18] <taj-n900> lol
[18:18] <Renegade15> my personal preference in that regard is SystemRescueCD, but the Kubuntu install CD should allow it as well
[18:18] <taj-n900> I'll try that and stop back again if I still have problems
[18:18] <Renegade15> good luck :)
[18:19] <taj-n900> thanks
[18:40] <delac> kwin in going nuts (100% cpu) after upgrade. any ideas?
[18:43] <franklin_> aja
[18:43] <franklin_> ayuda
[18:47] <BluesKaj> Renegade15, did you remove splash from the line  GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" and either just remove it or replace it with "quiet text" in /etc/default/grub/ then update-grub  , that might bypass nouveau at boot.
[18:48] <Renegade15> eh, screw it. I installed the recommended drivers via menu already. We'll see how ancient the supposedly "current" drivers are, and how often they are (not) updated
[18:49] <BluesKaj> Renegade15, well , I'm not a gamer , but the "current" driver works well on both linux machines here , one with 7600gt and the other with a 8400gs
[18:50] <Renegade15> I've given up on games on linux a looooooong time ago. Just not worth the hassle.
[19:04] <CartoonCat> is there any specific reason that a torrent based package updater has not been done? or has it and i missed the memo?
[19:05] <James147> CartoonCat: not everyone can torrent as allot of places block torrenting
[19:05] <James147> so cannot be the standard method ^^
[19:06] <CartoonCat> well the same applies to FTP and HTTP
[19:06] <CartoonCat> i know many places you can not FTP from
[19:06] <James147> CartoonCat: more places block torrents ^^
[19:07] <CartoonCat> still, it would be nice to have it as a configurable option
[19:07] <James147> CartoonCat: if your willing to create it then I dont see why it couldnt be used ^^ though I dont kow of any devs that intrested to create it
[19:12] <CartoonCat> not a bad idea. short on time this second. is there a option to increase the number of http sessions it uses?
[19:12] <subcool_> can someone help me with y /usr/bin/x11vnc -forever -rfbport 5900 -rfbauth ~/.vnc/x11vnc.pass -o ~/.vnc/x11vnc.log -loopbg -display :0 creates a loop
[19:20] <puneet> hello someone using reliance netconnect here?
[19:20] <puneet> on kucbuntu 10.04
[19:21] <alibo> I tried to upgarde to 11.04 but it crushed at about 90%. Now the upgrade buttong disappeard and my system is in a state somewhere between the to versions. Is there a way to trigger the upgrade process manually?
[19:21] <alibo> Something like force upgrade?
[19:21] <BluesKaj> puneet , run sudo dhclient in the terminal
[19:22] <gabriel___> anybody use emerald?
[19:22] <BluesKaj> alibo, open a terminal , sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:23] <delac> I'm being hit by a big performance regression after upgrading my netbook. Kwin gets disabled on login because of "too slow effects". Is there any known remedy?
[19:23] <alibo> It says no new release found. Does that mean my systems is very close to 11.04?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> alibo, sudo apt-get install -f , if the upgrade doesn't happen
[19:25] <Renegade15> delac, do you have hardware acceleration for graphics?
[19:25] <Renegade15> and are you sure you have enough RAM in that thing (it is a netbook, after all)
[19:26] <delac> Renegade15: its intel 945gme, and it did work before upgrade.
[19:27] <alibo> BluesKaj: Ok got some packets. I just worry, if at the end of the update process some configs were changed that I now miss...
[19:27] <delac> Renegade15: it didn't work very fast there either, but I was kinda hoping that the new kernel would actually improve things
[19:28] <Renegade15> the kernel itself very well might, that doesn't mean the rest of the system didn't acquire bloat
[19:28] <BluesKaj> alibo, ok run sudo dpkg --configure -a , then run sudo apt-get update
[19:29] <alibo> BluesKaj: ok, do you think it might be worth trying to reboot now? Or should I check something else first?
[19:29] <James147> alibo: the upgrade process is just: edit the repos to point at natty: update the package list : upgrade packages : clean obsliete packages ^^
[19:30] <James147> alibo: best to run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install -f" to be sure :)
[19:30] <Renegade15> delac, how far do you get, login-wise? Any chance to get into the config and disable visual effects?
[19:30] <alibo> James147: I see. Then it might not be that bad at all.
[19:31] <BluesKaj> time to get some yard work done ... BBL
[19:31] <James147> alibo: sudo apt-get autoremove ^^ will be the cleaning step... or near enough
[19:32] <delac> Renegade15: it's not like the system is completely useless. I can get anywhere, and I did alredy disable the effects.
[19:32] <Renegade15> okay, with disabled fx, how's the system's RAM usage?
[19:33] <delac> Renegade15: 800MB used, 200MB free
[19:33] <delac> Renegade15: pretty normal
[19:34] <Renegade15> well, if it's 200 MB free, I wouldn't rule out kwin with effects to fill that up, honestly
[19:34] <Renegade15> I've never monitored kwin's memory behavior, but 200 megs aren't what they used to be
[19:35] <Renegade15> my Firefox is using 1.2 GB right now
[19:35] <Renegade15> (yes, I am going to restart it in a moment to fix that...just sayin')
[19:36] <delac> Renegade15: well, kwin doesn't seem to use but few more tens of megabytes, so I don't think that is a problem
[19:38] <delac> Renegade15: sometimes it seems to use lot of cpu, but not always. All effects are much slower.
[19:39] <Renegade15> have you had a look at this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/kwin-desktop-effects-too-slow-after-current-updates-31-jan-2011-a-859869/ ?
[19:39] <delac> Renegade15: no, but I think I will :)
[19:39] <Renegade15> especially the linked bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=243181
[19:40] <Renegade15> this mailing list post has links to additional bugs: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-bugs/2009-November/089912.html
[19:40] <bcs_> Hi!
[19:41] <Renegade15> hello
[19:42] <bcs_> I need help: After the dist upg. I got some processes with numeric user id's:
[19:42] <bcs_> ps auxw |grep -v root
[19:42] <bcs_> 102        951  0.0  0.0  24588  1948 ?        Ss   20:12   0:00 dbus-daemon --system --fork --activation=upstart
[19:42] <bcs_> 114       1453  0.0  0.0  29856  2340 ?        Ss   20:12   0:00 /usr/bin/xfs -daemon -user debian-xfs -droppri
[19:43] <bcs_> what are these<
[19:43] <bcs_> ?
[19:43] <Renegade15> hmm, curious
[19:44] <Renegade15> my dbus is running as 102 as well
[19:44] <bcs_> really?
[19:44] <Renegade15> yepp
[19:44] <bcs_> okay, then this should be a bug..
[19:44] <Renegade15> looking at /etc/passwd, I'm guessing that should be user messagebus
[19:45] <Renegade15> which fits the daemon
[19:45] <Renegade15> no idea why it prefers the number
[19:46] <bcs_> Ok, no problem, just noticed... thanks for looking at!
[19:46] <bcs_> Hava a nice day!
[19:46] <Renegade15> same to you
[19:46] <bcs_> bye
[19:49] <James147> ps auxw | grep -v root
[19:49] <James147> stupid windows
[19:49] <James147> :)
[19:49] <Renegade15> I was just gonna type some output >_>
[20:01] <Eruaran> can someone tell me how to get a "normal" desktop on a netbook?
[20:01] <Eruaran> because this is absolutely horrible
[20:02] <fliegenderfrosch> Eruaran: not sure, but can’t you just change the desktop layout to "desktop" in the desktop settings (right click on desktop)
[20:02] <Eruaran> tried that
[20:03] <Eruaran> it leaves me with a useless desktop that still has this horrible and useless bar across the top
[20:03] <Eruaran> I just want a normal panel that I can at least do something with
[20:03] <Eruaran> maximized applications cant be closed
[20:03] <fliegenderfrosch> Eruaran: have you looked at this: http://digitizor.com/2010/09/18/how-to-switch-between-desktop-and-netbook-workspace-in-kubuntu-10-10/
[20:04] <Eruaran> oh
[20:04] <Eruaran> fliegenderfrosch: THANKYOU
[20:04] <Eruaran> what a relief
[20:05] <Eruaran> the netbook desktop is stuffed
[20:05] <Eruaran> its unusable
[20:05] <fliegenderfrosch> Eruaran: I think it’s quite neat, but I guess that depends on your taste…
[20:06] <Eruaran> fliegenderfrosch: I'm getting this ready for someone else
[20:06] <Eruaran> its too confusing
[20:07] <Eruaran> I like the 'search and launch' but the bar at the top if its "netbook" style is just awful
[20:07] <Eruaran> its far too limited and at the same time far too easy for the user to screw it up
[20:14] <user8i> hello, I have installed kubuntu 11.04, WLAN works, but after installing eclipse (i assume it) it doesn't work you have to enter "ifconfig wlan0 up" then the wlan led blinks, but connecting with network-manager doesn't work, too. What could be the problem?
[20:14] <kurtul> whoelse's touchpad's scroll doesn't work? anybody was able to fix it?
[20:16] <user8i> kurtul: works it at the right side, in a very very small area? what is with 2 or 3 finger scrolling?
[20:16] <kurtul> user8i: nothing works for me
[20:17] <kurtul> and i have the same issue in two different computers
[20:18] <user8i> kurtul: I have the issue (very small scroll-area) with an acer travelmate timeline 8571 laptop
[20:18] <user8i> kurtul: the problem is since 10.10
[20:21] <OerHeks>  me switched to 11.04 KDE, what a relief !
[20:21] <OerHeks> is there a systemwide equaliser ?
[20:23] <fliegenderfrosch> user8i: maybe it is worth switching to 11.04, as the touchpad stack has seen a major overhaul
[20:23] <fliegenderfrosch> OerHeks: I doubt it, as different programs use different sound systems
[20:24] <user8i> fliegenderfrosch: no with 11.04 it doesnt work but 2 finger scrolling works
[20:25] <BluesKaj> OerHeks,if you use a player like vlc as your default then it's equalizer would then become global , if you enable it ..there maybe some others that work with alsamixer or pulseaudio in the packages
[20:26] <OerHeks> IC, thanks fliegenderfrosch & BluesKaj
[20:30] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, take a look at Alsaequal
[20:44] <Who> guys i am having some issues, even when trying to install the adobe flash plugin i am facing this
[20:44] <Who> http://paste.kde.org/41347/
[20:45] <KDavid> bonsoir tout le monde
[20:51] <KDavid> je viens tout juste de me faire une bourde dans la KDE3 maverick je n'arrive plus graphiquement a démarrer firefox a cose j'ai voulu tester des racoursis clavier et je me suis retrouver avec un écran noir voilas pour les explications si quelqu'un peut m'aidé
[20:51] <KDavid> j'ai voulu le redemarrer en consol rien aussi et en name -d il m'affiche sa: shift: 133: can't shift that many
[20:52] <genii-around> !fr
[20:53] <genii-around> Aussi, KDE3 n'est pas soutenu depuis Hardy Heron
[20:53] <KDavid> a désolé !!
[20:53] <BluesKaj> Who, were you installing kubuntu-restricted-extras when that error occurred?
[20:53] <Who> yes
[20:53] <KDavid> bien bonne soiré a vous au revoir
[20:53] <Who> and it also happened when i was trying to install flash
[20:55] <BluesKaj> Who, kubuntu-restricted-extras installs both flash and java
[20:55] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Yes, and a bunch of other stuff like restricted codecs and fonts
[20:56] <BluesKaj> yup genii-around , just wondering about that error tho , how to approach
[20:57] <genii-around> What does apt-cache policy nspluginwrapper say?
[20:57] <Who> umm okay i was trying to something around it and i changed my origin to main server, now i am get this error
[20:57] <Who> corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive
[20:57] <genii-around> And same for ia32-libs
[20:58] <topyli> is owncloud actually usable/useful yet?
[20:58] <BluesKaj> genii-around, Who that error popped up yesterday as well, try to recall what the fix was
[20:58] <BluesKaj> err trying
[20:58] <topyli> i just learned about its existence :)
[21:01] <BluesKaj> oh well, I can't remember ...back to the yardwork
[21:02] <Who> umm okay i also bought a new laptop today, dm1z (my first lappy yeah i am a desktop guy) , now to get the wireless working i was following the steps , in one step it said use something like patch -p0 but it says there nothing called patch and when i apt-get install patch i find nothing
[21:04] <chachan> listening to shoutcast streaming in amarok doesn't show the track info :(
[21:04] <Who> http://paste.kde.org/41377/
[21:04] <Who> here is what i mean
[21:04] <chachan> anyone having the same behavior?
[21:11] <James147> Who: umm.. dont think your follow a guide for kubuntu ^^
[21:12] <James147> !wireless
[21:17] <tommis> how can i get facebook chat working with kopete?
[21:18] <topyli> tommis: like any jabber account. server is chat.facebook.com
[21:18] <tommis> jabber?
[21:18] <topyli> tommis: yes
[21:18] <tommis> is facebook chat based on that
[21:18] <topyli> yep
[21:19] <tommis> cool, thx for the info
[21:19] <topyli> tommis: username is username@chat.facebook.com, not your email address obviously :)
[21:20] <topyli> where username is the one you chose for your facebook vanity url back when they became available
[21:20] <tommis> i think obviosly isn't a best word to use there
[21:21] <topyli> perhaps not :)
[21:22] <mala85> Is it possible to dumb down / lock down the KDE interface enough so it would be safe for my grandmother to use?
[21:22] <tommis> chromium in fullscreen?
[21:23] <BluesKaj> mala85, I'm a grandfather , it depends on her knowledge and ability to learn , don't stereo type your grannie :)
[21:23] <James147> BluesKaj: :D
[21:24] <mala85> Knowledge is very limited as is technical interest.
[21:24] <mala85> Use cases are web browsing, word processing, music listening and photo browsing.
[21:25] <topyli> i'm not sure about kde's lockdown features since i'm a kde newbie, but the ui can certainly be made very simple
[21:26] <James147> mala85: you can quite easaly configure the interface so that its easy for her to get to the stuff she wants
[21:26] <Tm_T> !kiosk
[21:26] <Tm_T> hmmmh
[21:26] <BluesKaj> well, if she can use windows kde is actualy easier if you set it up in an ergonomic manner . probly with desktop availability, mala85
[21:27] <BluesKaj> ok, break is over ...back to yardwork
[21:28] <EagleScreen> hello
[21:28] <erkan^> hello, my os is ubuntu 11.04. I want download and install KDE via Terminal. my question: sudo apt-get kde?
[21:28] <erkan^> sudo apt-get install kde?
[21:28] <James147> erkan^: best to install kubuntu-desktop
[21:29] <EagleScreen> I turned bluetooth off by Bluedevil applet, and now I dont know how to turn it on again
[21:29] <erkan^> thx
[21:29] <EagleScreen> yes erkan^ install kubuntu-desktop for a full featured KDE enviroment
[21:30] <mala85> BluesKaj/James147: Are there any packages that offer a jump-start to easy ergonomic KDE desktop? Or should I simply experiment with the various options?
[21:31] <EagleScreen> mala85: I do not understand your request very well..
[21:31] <James147> mala85: experiment ^^ dont think there are any packages for that and its best to tailor it to exactly what you think she will like :) you can do taht better then anyone else
[21:32] <BluesKaj> mala85, experimentation is the best route to follow , if she doesn't like the way something works then you can always modify it in some way to make it more accessible
[21:32] <EagleScreen> anyone can help with my bluetooth problem? hoe di i turn it on?
[21:32] <BluesKaj> back later
[21:32] <James147> mala85: one thing you might want to do is place application shortcuts to the stuff she will use on the desktop or panel and try to avoid her useing the menu ^^
[21:41] <delac> Does anyone know any possible reasons for performance regressions in kwin other than Blur and Lanczos filter?
[21:42] <mala85> Ok. Thanks. I am hoping to get rid of as much complexity as possible. The ideal would be something like this: No window buttons for minimize/maximize (all windows open fullscreen). No top/bottom panel. Her preferred application launchers/switchers permanently visible and clickable in a panel on the left side. Necessary system icons (e.g. battery status, shutdown button) also available on the left side. Is KDE the right DE for this?
[21:45] <delac> mala85: well, at least the panel is pretty easy to put there. that is what I have
[21:45] <James147> mala85: yup, kde can do all taht
[21:46] <James147> mala85: what version of kde?
[21:46] <mala85> As new as possible.
[21:46] <James147> mala85: you on kubuntu 11.04?
[21:46] <mala85> Not yet.
[21:46] <Linkmaster> mala85: If you can find something that KDE can't configure to, then I congratulate you[though getting it to work is the harder part..]
[21:46] <James147> ^^ then I would suggest installing that first :)
[21:47] <delac> mala85: One good idea might be to put dashboard on one of the corners and add application launchers there. That would make it very minimalistic.
[21:47] <mala85> Can KDE be configured to something like the left panel in this example?
[21:47] <mala85> http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5537/gnomeshelllayoutquestio.jpg
[21:47] <Linkmaster> delac: He could also use a docking system with autohide.
[21:48] <delac> mala85: whit the corner I mean that the dashboard is trickered by that corner
[21:48] <delac> Linkmaster: that might work as well
[21:48] <mala85> I want everything visible, nothing hidden.
[21:48] <Linkmaster> The picture looks like a dock actually...could be Daisy or the similar
[21:48] <mala85> It is Gnome-Shell for Gnome 3, photoshopped.
[21:49] <Linkmaster> Well, you can download Docky, and tell the settings to make it a panel on the left side. I'll get a screenshot for you, hold on
[21:49] <mala85> I was looking at Gnome-Shell first but found it too unconfigurable.
[21:50] <James147> mala85: kde can do sometyhing similar
[21:51] <mala85> I thought Docky was Gnome related?
[21:51] <mala85> (Not that I am against mixing the two.)
[21:51] <James147> mala85: why do you need docky? jsut use panels
[21:52] <Linkmaster> mala85: it is, but KDE can run it. I like Docky a little more then Daisy, it suited me more
[21:52] <delac> mala85: well, desktop is pretty easy to dump down, but the hard part will be trying to make the file browser simple and easy to use :)
[21:53] <mala85> delac: She does hopefully not need that. The only files she would need to handle are Word documents and importing photos from her camera. Hopefully the word processor and photo manager will take care of that somehow.
[21:54] <mala85> Is Daisy the KDE equivalent of Docky?
[21:54] <Linkmaster> mala85: heres what I did, and its similar to what you were wanting: http://i.imgur.com/qjooR.png
[21:55] <Linkmaster> Yes, Daisy is for KDE, and Daisy can do better then Docky concerning what I'm showing since its made for KDE
[21:55] <Linkmaster> !Daisy
[21:55] <rebugger> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Daisy?content=102077
[21:55] <mala85> Linkmaster: Cool. What is the difference between the icons on left and right side here?
[21:56] <rebugger> mala85: i guess: right side are shortcuts, left side are opened windows
[21:56] <Linkmaster> mala85: Well, the left side is actually the panel on the bottom, I simply moved it onto the left, took off some things I didn't particularly like, and thats it. The panel on the right are features I use frequently/items that are currently open[the blue dots signifiy I'm runnign it]
[21:56] <delac> mala85: hmm, neither of those is that easy to use either. And they won't have any customizations.
[21:57] <mala85> I would prefer to not have more than one Firefox icon visible unless more than one window is open. Could that be possible?
[21:57] <mala85> I guess what I want is basically Windows 7... :/
[21:58] <Linkmaster> mala85: remember, I usually keep the panel on the right hidden, so it won't usually show
[21:58] <delac> mala85: or Unity :)
[21:58] <James147> mala85: http://imagebin.org/150856 ^^ took me like 30 secs to get it like that :)
[21:58] <James147> with more time you can make it better :)
[21:59] <mala85> delac: No! I think Unity is really bad at this point, and not customizable at all. E.g. the workspace switcher can not be disabled.
[22:00] <delac> mala85: yes, I know, but at least there wouldn't be more than one firefox icon ;)
[22:01] <mala85> James147: Even better. I guess it would also be possible to turn off the top an bottom panels?
[22:01] <Linkmaster> delac: You can always remove one of the panels, and/or the spacer. that way it won't show more then one
[22:02] <James147> mala85: in taht screenshot the top and bottom are part of the vm i am running it in... ignore them :D
[22:02] <mala85> But concerning the "not more than one Firefox icon" business - is that possible?
[22:02] <Linkmaster> mala85: very possible, in fact its quite easy
[22:03] <James147> mala85: sortof... its abit buggy :) need kde 4.6 but you can pin icons to the task maanger to behave like they do in win7
[22:03] <mala85> So - if she needs to open a Word document to copy a text - she is not confused about which Firefox icon to click to get back to where she was.
[22:03] <Linkmaster> James147: Yeah, 4.6 works much better then 4.5
[22:05] <mala85> james147: The "Pin icons" thing sounds perfect! The pinned icons stay there when restarting the computer I hope?
[22:05] <delac> Linkmaster: well actually, I'w been fighting with some performance regressions all evening.
[22:05] <James147> mala85: one sec... will try to show you an example
[22:06] <mala85> :)
[22:09] <mala85> Solving the simple dock issue seems plausible. What about "all windows are maximized - always" - is that possible? Would Kiosk Mode be the proper term for that?
[22:10] <topyli> mala85: maybe the netbook mode would be suitable
[22:10] <topyli> big launchers on the desktop, search, everyting maximised
[22:10] <mala85> KDE has a special netbook mode?  :)
[22:10] <topyli> it does
[22:10] <mala85> Or is it a separate distro?
[22:10] <topyli> it's also very pretty
[22:11] <Linkmaster> delac: From my experience. I'm still using 10.10
[22:11] <genii-around> mala85: It's just the workspace that makes it for netbook or not
[22:11] <topyli> mala85: no, just enable in the system settings. you can even switch it on on the fly
[22:11] <delac> Linkmaster: hey, tell me, what is the default "amount" of blur there?
[22:12] <topyli> system settings -> workspace behavior
[22:13] <Linkmaster> delac: What do you mean by "blur"? I can blur/fade different things
[22:13] <delac> Linkmaster: as in the kwin plugin - Blur. There is a slider in the Blurs config.
[22:14] <James147> mala85: http://db.tt/p85HOo9  ^^ see if taht works :)
[22:17] <James147> mala85: though there are still some problems with the pinning... in that sometime the icons cover each other up
[22:19] <Linkmaster> delac: I looked at that, I didn't see any blur? I'm not sure if I just missed it, but my current settings have more blur then that
[22:20] <James147> mala85: and I wuld like to note that even though there isnt a menu ^^ you can still run everything you need to (should you need to use it) through krunner (alt+f2)
[22:21] <delac> Linkmaster: System Settings -> Desktop Effects -> All Effects -> Blur (in Appearance section). I'm pretty sure it's there.
[22:22] <Linkmaster> delac: Yeah, its there. I'm just saying that my settings have much more blur then the video you showed me
[22:22] <delac> Linkmaster: what video?
[22:22] <mala85> James147: Thank you for the effort! That really looks a lot like what I had envisioned. The min/max buttons gone too.
[22:23] <James147> mala85: yup, thats easy to do :)
[22:23] <Linkmaster> delac: Gah! Wrong person. James was the one who put the video xP
[22:23] <Linkmaster> delac: But yes, theres blur, and I have it enabled
[22:24] <delac> Linkmaster: yes, I was just curious about the amount of blur you have. How many "ticks" in the slider
[22:24] <Linkmaster> delac: let me look..been ages since I've changed it, I liked my current settings
[22:25] <delac> Linkmaster: not that it really matters, the problem is probably somewhere else.
[22:25] <delac> Linkmaster: but it does help a lot to disable the blur
[22:25] <Linkmaster> delac: its pretty much maxed out, and what do you mean by help?
[22:25] <mala85> Do the pinned applications remember to always open themselves fullscreen (provided they were closed from fullscreen)?
[22:26] <delac> delac: in Maveric I could use the blur and have "working" desktop. On Natty the desktop becomes unusably sluggish if I keep the Blur on.
[22:27] <delac> Linkmaster: ^
[22:27] <Linkmaster> delac: Hm..that is interesting. I'm not sure though, since I'm not using Natty at the moment. When I upgrade though, I'll definitely look at that
[22:28] <James147> mala85: they dont care... its just another way to launch an application ^^ you can set the placment rule to "maximising" so taht windows open maximised
[22:28] <delac> Linkmaster: but it's not the Blurs fault. I could get the performance boost in Maveric too.
[22:28] <mala85> Placement Rule?
[22:29] <Linkmaster> delac: Yeah, dropping the blur helps speed my system up too, but its not bad with it on. But turning it off, my computer goes lightning fast
[22:29] <mala85> How does the Pinning work? Do you open an application, and then rightclick the active application icon to get the pinning options/rules?
[22:30] <James147> mala85: System settings > Window Behaviour > Window Behaviour > Advanced > "Placment: Maximising"
[22:30] <delac> Linkmaster: well, my system is netbook, so lightning this is not, blur or not blur :)
[22:30] <James147> mala85: yes
[22:31] <mala85> James147: Ok - is it both a global and local option then? Nice anyway :)
[22:31] <Linkmaster> delac: Mines a crappy netbook, so I'm using relative terms. With blur on and everything, it takes ~2-5 seconds to load up a blank OpenOffice Word, and ~7-10 seconds to load GIMP. This is with nothing else running
[22:33] <mohamad> HI, how can I run files .pl on terminal?
[22:34] <mohamad> Thanks I already saw
[22:34] <Linkmaster> mohamad: type the program to be opened, followed by the path to the filename, unless you are in the dir itself
[22:34] <Linkmaster> Example: kate filename.txt[same directory] kate /home/you/Documents/filename.txt
[22:34] <mohamad> no, the true answa
[22:34] <Matthaeus_Work> Are there known issues with the nvidia proprietary drivers with the kwin that's packaged with kubuntu 11.04?
[22:35] <delac> Linkmaster: what kind of system you got? Prob. Intel GPU  but what?
[22:35] <Linkmaster> .pl? Hm...not sure, what are they exactly? :P
[22:35] <mohamad> no, the true answear is "chmod +x filename.pl" after, ./filename.pl
[22:35] <Linkmaster> delac: Uhh...not sure exactly. It has just under a gig of RAM though
[22:37] <delac> Linkmaster: do: lshw | grep Mobile
[22:37] <Linkmaster> Okay
[22:38] <Roey> hi all
[22:38] <delac> Linkmaster: or if that doesnt give anything usefull, you could try lshw | grep product
[22:39] <Linkmaster> It did, let me load up gist
[22:39] <delac> Linkmaster: it's something like 945GME or something?
[22:41] <Linkmaster> product: Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[22:41] <delac> Linkmaster: exactly same as mine. :)
[22:42] <delac> Linkmaster: so I recommend you are careful when you upgrade.
[22:42] <delac> Linkmaster: you are probably going to  be hit by the same regression as I am
[22:43] <Linkmaster> delac: Haha, quite likely, though I'll give it a shot anyhow. I'm using the lenovo S10e
[22:44] <delac> Linkmaster: well, not exactly the same then. Mine is Acer D250.
[22:44] <Linkmaster> Hm. Yours is probably better xD
[22:45] <tas346> Hi... Fresh install of Kubuntu 11.04 on 5-yo Dell DXP061 from friend is working well but no lyrics or art on streaming radio in Amarok. Scripts are installed. Any suggestions?
[22:45] <delac> Linkmaster: most likely not. This was the cheapest thing on the market a year ago :)
[22:45] <Linkmaster> Same here, but a year and a half ago
[22:46] <delac> Linkmaster: or is it two years already...
[22:47] <Linkmaster> delac: I don't know, its old as all hell
[22:47] <James147> mala85: how is configureing the desktop going?
[22:47] <delac> Linkmaster: yes, little over a year == old as hell   XD
[22:48] <Linkmaster> Dude, over a month is old as hell
[22:50] <mala85> James147: I have not installed anything yet, so she still has her old crumbling Windows XP installation. I am going to download Kubuntu as soon as possible and try it out. I need to find good workflows for all tasks.
[22:51] <mala85> James147 and others: Thank you for being so helpful!
[22:51] <Linkmaster> mala85: No problem, glad you could get it to work. Also, welcome to Linux: were glad to see someone leave M$ :P
[22:52] <mala85> I am already on Ubuntu :)
[22:52] <mala85> But I am hoping to get a few others over soon.
[22:52] <James147> :D
[22:53] <mala85> But I find the Unity thing too disruptive and not ideal for simple users.
[22:53] <Linkmaster> mala85: You were talking about your sister, so I assumed there..:P
[22:53] <mala85> No, my grandmother :)
[22:54] <Linkmaster> mala85: Its a female family member. It still counts xP
[22:54] <mala85> Hi hi!
[22:54] <mariusz> jest ktos do popisania?
[22:54] <mala85> Are there any especially female friendly KDE 4 themes?
[22:55] <delac> mala85: set all colors to pink? ;)
[22:55] <Linkmaster> mala85: Most likely, and you can always change color schemes and such to be like, pinkish. And there will be themes online
[22:55] <Linkmaster> delac: great minds think alike..xD
[22:55] <mala85> delac: Sigh! I feared that answer :)
[22:55] <delac> :)
[22:56] <Linkmaster> mala85: Something wrong with pink?
[22:56] <James147> mala85: themes is a vague term in kde... you can have a theme for many different parts.. color theme, plasma theme, window theme... icon theme
[22:56] <mala85> I was actually thinking more in line with roundish shapes, subtle shadings, not so "business like".
[22:57] <delac> mala85: I probably wouldn't go with anything girlish for a older person. Some assuring blueish theme might be good one.
[22:57] <delac> mala85: or as you said yourself...
[22:57] <Linkmaster> mala85: A soft green works very well additionally
[22:57] <delac> mala85: also make fonts big enough
[22:58] <Linkmaster> mala85: Yes, big fonts is important, which can be accessed through 'system settings' [I forgot the exact location]
[22:58] <mala85> Yes I was thinking about green and maybe brown.
[22:58] <mala85> Good point about the font size.
[23:00] <delac> mala85: in fact, everything should probably be big. window border, sliders, buttons etc...
[23:01] <Linkmaster> delac: But probably not too big, else it *could* be offensive - some elderly people have excellent vision
[23:02] <delac> mala85: though that is something that gnome is doing better than kde
[23:02] <delac> Linkmaster: yes, but big enough
[23:03] <Linkmaster> delac: derp, haha. But KDE can do anything, I've yet to see something gnome can do "better" ..but at the same time, I don't see too much that gnome does "worse". I guess its user opinion
[23:04] <delac> Linkmaster: true, the default theme "Oxygen" on kde is pretty smallish, but QTCurve for example can be altered pretty well.
[23:05] <mala85> Is it http://kde-look.org one gets themes from, or is there some package to install that makes many good themes (plasma/window/icons/colors) available?
[23:05] <Linkmaster> delac: Thats simply the default though, download some things here and there, and its huge all of a sudden
[23:05] <Matthaeus_Work> Hello.  Why are there dots all over my screen?
[23:06] <Linkmaster> mala85: you can go to 'system settings' and go to individual things 'desktop settings, etc' and click 'download additional themes' and it'll bring you to a large selection, that grows every day one most
[23:06] <mala85> Ok. Cool :)
[23:06] <James147> mala85: thats the site ^^ though allot of the themes can be isntalled and downloaded from within kde using the "get new stuffs" buttons
[23:07] <mala85> "Get new stuffs" LOL!
[23:07] <Linkmaster> kde-look.org is great if theres somethign you want thats not listed, or the download link broke
[23:07] <James147> Linkmaster: mala85: the get new stuffs dialog basically uses kde-look and similar sites as the content source
[23:07] <delac> mala85: and do check the QtCurve theme that is installed on default. It has a lot of configuration possiblilities.
[23:07] <Linkmaster> James147: true, very true. But I've seen some things on kde-look thats not there
[23:07] <James147> Linkmaster: yeah, some things that arnt as simple to install usually
[23:07] <James147> I think at least
[23:08] <Linkmaster> You can also use it to grab KDE3.5 stuff to port over
[23:11] <Linkmaster> Gotta go eat, be back later
[23:11] <mala85> Are there any classic newbie problems people moving from Gnome to KDE often face?
[23:11] <James147> mala85: dont think so
[23:13] <delac> mala85: Dolphin doesnt warn you when you click on a executable file as Nautilus does. I hate that
[23:13] <mala85> Nice. I am considering a move myself, if Unity does take on a more edible form.
[23:13] <delac> mala85: ok, maybe that is not a newbie problem...
[23:13] <mala85> Dolphin = nautilus?
[23:13] <mala85> File browser?
[23:13] <James147> mala85: yes
[23:13] <delac> mala85: they are
[23:14] <James147> delac: I would just find that anoying :) dont want to be warned that I am about to open a program all the time
[23:15] <delac> James147: I do lot of scripting. Sometimes I want to open it for editing, sometimes to run it, but in both cases I clikc the file to do it. On Dolphin it always just runs it...
[23:20] <mala85> Say I find a good theme - possibly just tweaking the default - but I want the Close Window icon to have a red color. Could I just open one PNG file in Gimp and color it red and save it - or would I need to use some theme editor?
[23:20] <_jam_> I have a thinkpad and the method for configuring my trackpoint seems to be deprecated (HAL). What is the preferred method now? There seems to be a dozen different ways to do it now
[23:21] <_jam_> also, did they not fix the intel wireless N bug that afflicted maverick. my wireless just died
[23:21] <_jam_> I saw no mention of it in the release notes
[23:23] <delac> mala85: I think the icon themes are just collections of icons and you could change them just like that. Unless the icons are svg. Then you need to use Inkscape :)
[23:24] <mala85> delac: Thanks! Good to hear. I think the red Close icon is a convention worth keeping.
[23:25] <VingThor> hi all
[23:25] <VingThor> kubuntu update just killed my system :(
[23:26] <James147> VingThor: define killed :)
[23:26] <VingThor> as in "totally trashed"
[23:26] <VingThor> :)
[23:26] <mala85> "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
[23:27] <VingThor> got some error message about a libc6 being broken
[23:27] <VingThor> update went on, but at the end said it doesnt work
[23:27] <VingThor> then it tried to undo all the package updates
[23:28] <VingThor> after that nothing was working
[23:28] <VingThor> rebooting: not even grub was able to run
[23:28] <VingThor> had to reinstall everything
[23:28] <VingThor> from my old 10.04 cd
[23:29] <VingThor> tried to update again, but same result. libc6 is broken...
[23:29] <VingThor> now i download the 11.04 as cd and will install new
[23:29] <VingThor> hope this time it works
[23:29] <VingThor> too bad, though
[23:29] <James147> VingThor: if you have reinstalled then why not download the iso and reinstall the new version?
[23:29] <James147> ... :p
[23:30] <dibs> E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.  what causes this? I can't upgrade
[23:30] <VingThor> doing that right now
[23:30] <mala85> Remember backing up your files!
[23:30] <VingThor> there wasnt anything left to backup from
[23:30] <mala85> :/
[23:30] <VingThor> but thats no problem, i have backups of everything important
[23:30] <James147> VingThor: you can always boot a live cd and backup your files from that
[23:30] <James147> :)
[23:30] <VingThor> no, the disk didnt respond anymore
[23:31] <VingThor> really nasty error messages
[23:31] <James147> :S
[23:31] <James147> hat dosnt sound good
[23:31] <VingThor> just wanted to hear if anybody had similar experience
[23:31] <mala85> HDD or SSD?
[23:31] <VingThor> before reinstalling again
[23:31] <VingThor> hdd
[23:32] <VingThor> i found some similar errors in te web, but that was from 2008
[23:32] <VingThor> just it was so strange. libc is used by nearly everything
[23:32] <VingThor> it just cant be broken
[23:33] <James147> VingThor: how did you try to upgrade>
[23:33] <VingThor> kpackagekit
[23:35] <VingThor> but maybe its my hdd
[23:35] <VingThor> had some issues with the filesystems lately, though could be repaired with fsck easy enough
[23:36] <James147> VingThor: I would be wary of your hhd starting to fail though ^^
[23:37] <VingThor> is there any tool to test this?
[23:37] <VingThor> i tried badblocks, but didn't find anything
[23:39] <VingThor> ik, cd is nurned. next try
[23:39] <VingThor> thanks for your help