[02:17] <linuxman410> having  problem with intel 845ge only has one resolution it says unknown monitor any help
[02:53] <Unit193> !x
[02:53] <ubot5> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[02:55] <Unit193> linuxman410: In short: CTRL+ALT+F1 > sudo /etc/init.d/lxdm stop > sudo X -configure > sudo mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf > sudo /etc/init.d/lxdm start
[02:55] <Byan> so
[02:56] <Byan> is there a way to keep the lubuntu package.. but remove one of it's 'dependencies'
[02:56] <Byan> I want to roll my own pidgin..
[02:57] <Unit193> Byan: You don't really need to keep lubuntu-desktop installed
[02:57] <Unit193> Byan: What do you mean by "roll my own pidgin"?
[03:08] <Byan> Unit193: compile pidgin myself
[03:08] <Byan> carrier, rather
[03:09] <Byan> ie fun pidgin
[03:12] <Jim__> i have a question? does lubuntu going to release lubuntu 11.04 or something?
[03:12] <Unit193> Jim__: It's done! (If you read the topic, you get the link)
[03:12] <Jim__> Unit193: thanks
[03:14] <Unit193> Jim__: http://i.imgur.com/kJM8e.png
[08:30] <jozefk> 11.04 final is ready for download?
[08:30] <Unit193> Welcome to #lubuntu , jozefk
[08:30] <jozefk> :)
[08:31] <Unit193> Yeah, topic
[08:31] <jozefk> I see. thanks :)
[08:33] <Unit193> jozefk: http://i.imgur.com/EX4Nq.png
[08:33] <jozefk> is it the same network manager as in xubuntu?
[08:35] <Unit193> I do not think so, I'll check
[08:36] <Unit193> Eh, I don't remember what X uses
[08:36] <jozefk> do you have lubuntu installed?
[08:36] <Unit193> Yeah
[08:36] <Unit193> Lubuntu uses wicd
[08:37] <jozefk> then just right click on network manager from right size and maybe take a screenshot. or right click and choose Edit Connections if it is there
[08:37] <jozefk> wicd only?
[08:37] <Unit193> IIRC
[08:38] <jozefk> will download and see
[08:38] <jozefk> might be wicd will work too
[08:39] <jozefk> :)
[09:35] <head_victim> Why would a folder say 8.8gb file size but nearly 100 gb size on disk ?
[09:35] <bioterror> which? what?
[09:35] <head_victim> My /home
[09:36] <bioterror> hmmmm
[09:36] <head_victim> Everything I look at in there shows 1/10 the file size as to the size on disk
[09:36] <bioterror> you have separate partition and df -h gives different size than du -h?
[09:36] <head_victim> du - h lists a crapload of files
[09:37] <bioterror> sure it lists
[09:37] <head_victim> df -h lists 11gb
[09:38] <bioterror> 1,6T    sad157
[09:38] <bioterror> :DDDDDDDD
[09:38] <head_victim> du -h the last line is . 11G
[09:38] <head_victim> Hah I got a 2gb warning on my 2tb spare folder on the other PC last night :/
[09:38] <bioterror> I need MOAR SPACE!
[09:38] <bioterror> my pr0n collection is too huge
[09:38] <head_victim> I have nearly 10tb in hdds here
[09:39] <head_victim> A lot of it is in raid 10 so I loose most of it
[09:45] <bioterror> hoho
[09:45] <bioterror> raid5 ftw! ;)
[09:45] <head_victim> I prefer 10 :D
[09:48] <ncopa> hi
[09:48] <ncopa> lubuntu.net is down?
[09:48] <head_victim> Well I'm backing up my /home as we speak and then going to do my first ever Ubuntu upgrade, I usually fresh install
[09:48] <head_victim> ncopa: it is?
[09:49] <ncopa> seems so
[09:49] <ncopa> anybody have a torrent for lubuntu-11.04?
[09:49] <head_victim> ncopa: check the topic ;)
[09:50] <head_victim> I have 15 connected peers that I'm currently seeding to
[09:50] <head_victim> And so it's going up at a rate of knots
[09:51] <ncopa> thanks
[09:51] <head_victim> Well, it's not that quick tbh, my upload speed is only 1MB :/
[09:52] <head_victim> bioterror: if I backup /home is there anything else I should save?
[09:52] <bioterror> I take /etc/samba/smb.conf ;)
[09:52] <head_victim> Never doing an upgrade I haven't really researched it. I usually just keep my /home
[09:52] <head_victim> bioterror: ahh yeah, /etc is a nice backup
[09:53] <bioterror> are you going to do-release-upgrade? :D
[09:53] <head_victim> I'm going to look into what's the safer option
[09:53] <bioterror> it's okay
[09:53] <head_victim> I'm on 10.10 now
[09:53] <bioterror> I've never had problems with it :D
[09:54] <head_victim> So worst case I loose it all I'll keep home and etc and that should get me back if need be
[09:54] <bioterror> you wont loose anything :D
[09:54]  * head_victim plays guinea pig.
[09:55] <head_victim> Hah someone is trying to download 10.04 off me
[09:55] <head_victim> Must have an unsupported cpu :/
[09:55] <bioterror> or just thinks it's "LTS" ;)
[09:56] <bioterror> "mmm... I will use this forever!!"
[09:56] <head_victim> ncopa: thanks for letting us know about lubuntu.net though
[09:56] <head_victim> phillw: anyone we can ping to resolve the lubuntu.net being down?
[09:57] <ncopa> np
[09:59] <bioterror> owner of the domain is on the list
[09:59] <bioterror> lubuntu-desktop mailing list
[09:59] <head_victim> bioterror: just writing an email now actually will add it to that
[10:07] <head_victim> Question for all you torrenting people, are there more trackers I should add to the default transmission ones to reach a larger audience?
[10:19] <head_victim> Ah apparently the website isn't down it's just overloaded
[12:02] <tomasz_> hi
[12:02] <tomasz_> lubuntu.net works ?
[12:04] <head_victim> tomasz_: yes, it's busy at the moment so it might be a little slower than normal is all
[12:05] <tomasz_> becous dont load me
[12:10] <MrChrisDruif> Is lubuntu-desktop in the default repos of Ubuntu? Like if you want to install it on Ubuntu you just issue sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop?
[12:11] <tomasz_> lxde-session
[12:11] <MrChrisDruif> lxde-session? Would that have the same effect as lubuntu install?
[12:12] <tomasz_> lubuntu use lxde
[12:22] <MrChrisDruif> ;topic
[13:01] <Neosano> hmmm, why lubuntu.net is not loading?
[13:35] <Kurdistan> hey dear lubuntu fans, how is lubuntu natty going?
[13:35] <bioterror> it's going into right direction!
[13:37] <Kurdistan> bioterror, I am really impressed with the reading
[13:37] <Kurdistan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Announcement/NattyNarwhal
[13:37] <Kurdistan> much more changes and to the better.
[13:39] <Kurdistan> I am really glad. I will try it out, couple a weeks from now.
[13:39] <Kurdistan> thx lubuntu dev
[13:41] <Kurdistan> for me edubuntu or lubuntu will be my main dist.
[13:47] <Kurdistan> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/671
[13:47] <Kurdistan> really glad to read this from mark
[13:47] <Kurdistan> about lubuntu
[13:47] <MrChrisDruif> The response from Mark, indeed :)
[13:49] <Kurdistan> viva lubuntu
[13:53] <Kurdistan> I will log-out. Keep up the good work.
[15:23] <tdn> After installing Ubuntu 11.04 and enabling the restricted Broadcom STA wifi driver, the wifi network stops working after a while. How do I fix this?
[16:20] <NRWlion> hi guys, is it normal that live cds do show several errors while checking for them?
[16:48] <bioterror> oh my
[16:48] <bioterror> this is what I feared
[16:48] <bioterror> inlaws had upgraded yesterday and now this complains about unity every logon
[16:48] <bioterror> and so on
[16:48] <bioterror> psychocat's pure lxde doesnt work...
[16:49] <bioterror> so, sudo apt-get purge gnome\* kde\*
[16:49] <bioterror> :----------------)
[16:49] <bioterror> NRWlion, it's not normal :-)
[17:00] <bioterror> hmmm, alt+f2 doesnt work
[17:00] <bioterror> I dont get "launcher" pop-up
[17:01] <NRWlion> bioterror : my whole system doesnt work after trying to upgrade all night :(
[17:01] <NRWlion> i only do have my laptop now
[17:01] <NRWlion> :(
[17:01] <NRWlion> :D
[17:07] <leszek> hi
[17:08] <NRWlion> hi leszek
[17:09] <leszek> :)
[17:09] <leszek> its like magic, lubuntu release on the same day as zevenos-neptune released xD
[17:10] <bioterror> hmmmm
[17:10] <NRWlion> yeah and i was so excited that i crashed my system :D
[17:10] <bioterror> I have wlan icon for lan network :D
[17:10] <bioterror> did I install 11.04 final or alpha? :D
[17:11] <leszek> bioterror: haha xD really ?
[17:11] <leszek> maybe someone linked the icon the wrong way. As ubuntu switched to indicators, perhaps no one noticed it that the tray icon is linked wrongly
[17:11] <bioterror> :D
[17:12] <leszek> so I am idle again xD, rain stopped again, so back to work in the garden
[17:13] <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/lubuntu-11.04.png
[17:14] <bioterror> gilir, Fri19:13 <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/lubuntu-11.04.png
[17:14] <NRWlion> hey gilir!
[17:14] <bioterror> any ideas what's that empty box between broken nm-applet and digital clock
[17:14] <bioterror> as I am using desktop computer and eth0 ;)
[17:15] <gilir> bioterror, no idea :/ Do you try to enable indicators applet ?
[17:15] <gilir> hi NRWlion
[17:15] <bioterror> no, I just removed gnome and installed lubuntu-desktop
[17:15] <NRWlion> gilir: the iso from your link is been buggy searching for errors gave me more than 10 warnings
[17:16] <gilir> NRWlion, do you check md5sum ?
[17:16] <NRWlion> system showed no irregularitys
[17:18] <gilir> bioterror, do you try to change the icon theme ? your terminal icons seem also strange
[17:18] <bioterror> gilir, terminal is urxvt and I'm using font fixed ;)
[17:18] <gilir> ah ok :) But still, try to swicth the icon theme :)
[17:19] <bioterror> hmmmm
[17:20] <bioterror> I recall that elementary was dumped and you guys had a new icon set
[17:21] <gilir> it's the case, must 99,99% of the icons are inherited from elementary
[17:22] <bioterror> what was that new icon
[17:22] <gilir> 2 in fact, 1 for the shutdown icon (on the right of the panel), 1 for the lubuntu icon in the installer
[17:25] <bioterror> and translation is now set to iso-8859-15
[17:25] <bioterror> fffffffffffff
[17:29] <bioterror> this didnt go as I expected
[17:29] <bioterror> damn you unity!!
[17:29] <gilir> I have also weird behavior when installing lubuntu after a classic ubuntu
[17:30] <bioterror> not good, as I even used --purge
[17:30] <bioterror> and then I fetched it
[17:30] <bioterror> maybe I should roll to xfce :G
[17:30]  * NRWlion is going back to kde 07.10
[17:30] <bioterror> yeah
[17:31] <bioterror> back to console and do some maaagick!
[17:32] <gilir> oh : http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/671
[17:32] <gilir> search for Lubuntu ;)
[17:33] <NRWlion> gilir : even if i find it i am not able to burn it in iso as my laptop has no cd/dvd
[17:33] <gilir> NRWlion, you can use usbcreator and put in on a USB pen drive ?
[17:34] <NRWlion> that would be an option?
[17:47] <Unit193> NRWlion: I may have a disk of that
[17:47] <NRWlion> i am installing KDE 7.10 now
[17:47] <NRWlion> this is the only version i can run now
[17:47] <NRWlion> :(
[17:48] <Unit193> Ah, I was thinking Kubuntu 7.10
[17:48] <bioterror> I've never been this lost
[17:48] <bioterror> even Xubuntu fails at me
[17:49] <NRWlion> welcome to the club bioterror
[17:49] <bioterror> sad to say, but I'm first time dissapointed
[17:56] <NRWlion> bioterror : so am i
[17:57] <tdn> After installing 11.04 and enabling the restricted Broadcom STA wifi driver, the wifi network stops working after a while. How do I fix this?
[17:58] <bioterror> I have to say that lubuntu worked even better than this crappy xubuntu
[17:58] <bioterror> :G
[18:09] <Unit193> I take it this wouldn't be a good time to update?
[18:10] <bioterror> I would consider twice :D
[18:15] <Unit193> I would then also have to reboot :/
[18:41] <warpi> hello, is there a 64-bit version of lubuntu 11.04?
[18:55] <leszek> warpi: not that I know. But  I think there are 64 Bit packages in the repo. So you might install a 64bit base (minimal) system and then you can apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[18:56] <warpi> leszek, you mean, install ubuntu 64-bit and choose "base minimal system installation" and then replace desktop?
[18:56] <leszek> exactly
[18:56] <warpi> okay, great!
[18:56] <warpi> wont i loose any performance on this?
[18:57] <leszek> I don't think so
[18:57] <warpi> compared to lubuntu ordinary iso?
[18:57] <warpi> ok
[18:57] <Unit193> !mini | warpi
[18:57] <ubot5> warpi: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[18:57] <Unit193> Then add lubuntu-desktop
[18:57] <warpi> great!
[18:58] <warpi> that was a damn small cd :)
[18:58] <warpi> so this is the perfered way to install lubuntu on 64-bit computer?
[18:59] <Unit193> warpi: That's what I've seen
[18:59] <warpi> oki
[18:59] <warpi> i will try this
[18:59] <warpi> thanks for the help
[19:05] <jozefk> what is mini.iso?
[19:05] <Unit193> !mini
[19:05] <ubot5> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[19:06] <Unit193> (At least you don't have to rexplain everything)
[19:06] <Unit193> Then you can add lubuntu-desktop
[19:10] <jozefk> that would be how many MB to download during installation/
[19:10] <jozefk> ?
[19:10] <Unit193> That would take some downloading
[19:11] <jozefk> it's much faster to download the iso then package by package
[19:11] <Unit193> It downloads everything for you
[19:12] <jozefk> do you know any light distro with pulseaudio giving sound on all 5+1 speakers ?
[19:13] <leszek> jozefk: zevenos 3.0
[19:15] <jozefk> that's xfce
[19:15] <jozefk> xubuntu is working also :)
[19:15] <Unit193> It works now?
[19:16] <jozefk> but xfce is freezing. i need lxde or fluxbox or openbox or e17 or something like that
[19:16] <jozefk> it's working but freezing
[19:16] <bioterror> e17 is crap
[19:16] <bioterror> it looks nice, but that's all
[19:16] <bioterror> crashes and just doesnt feel right
[19:17] <bioterror> all the menus and stuff
[19:17] <jozefk> ok will not even think about it then
[19:17] <Unit193> bioterror: Take a look at Bodhi
[19:17] <jozefk> bodhi yeah maybe i should boot that live CD and see
[19:18] <bioterror> I'm still shocked what I encountered today at in-laws
[19:18] <leszek> jozefk: if its freezing I guess your hardware maybe broken
[19:19] <jozefk> yes but lxde works fine
[19:19] <leszek> I don't think that it has something to do with the window manager or desktop environment
[19:19] <bioterror> lxdm is not two language friendly
[19:19] <bioterror> father in law is a turkish and mother in law is finnish
[19:20] <bioterror> I cant make "default" settings for each of them
[19:20] <leszek> lxdm never intended to be friendly to multiple languages I guess
[19:21] <jozefk> 2 language? I need only english
[19:21] <bioterror> yeah, I have to think something else instead of lxdm, maybe that stinky GDM :D
[19:22] <leszek> does gdm has this support build in ?
[19:22] <bioterror> yes
[19:22] <leszek> ah interesting to know ;)
[19:22] <jozefk> and why the live lubuntu doesn't want to start for me?
[19:23] <leszek> jozefk: error message ?
[19:23] <bioterror> http://library.gnome.org/admin/gdm/stable/configuration.html.en#userconfig
[19:23] <jozefk> I don't have it now. I can reboot and try. actually I overwrite the CD already. I could burn it again
[19:33] <jozefk> does pulseaudio works at all on lubuntu? with 5.1 sound?
[19:42] <LAcan> alsa only i believe, pulse is pastware
[20:29] <jozefk> pastware?
[20:30] <leszek> pastware xD
[20:30] <leszek> whats that ?
[20:30] <jozefk> I have no idea
[20:30] <leszek> jozefk: pulseaudio should work at least if you install it on lubuntu and switch gnome-mplayer and audacious to use the pulse plugin
[22:20] <jozefk> in xubuntu I got pulse working. and 5.1 speakers. no problem
[22:21] <jozefk> I believe I can get the same with lubuntu also
[22:21] <jozefk> I just don't know how to get the CD working :)
[22:22] <jozefk> I can't find the link for mini.iso
[22:23] <Unit193> !mini
[22:23] <ubot5> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[22:23] <Unit193> There it is :)
[22:23] <Unit193> alsamixer is your audio volume levels
[22:24] <jozefk> I can get pavucontrols installed also right?
[22:24] <jozefk> this CD is 19MB :)))
[22:24] <leszek> yes but you need pulseaudio aswell
[22:25] <Unit193> You download stuff later
[22:25] <leszek> jozefk: thats why its called mini
[22:25] <jozefk> how long it will take to install full lubuntu from that mini CD?
[22:26] <leszek> depends on your bandwith
[22:26] <jozefk> I have 8mbps. but when I'm downloading something it's never more than 1mbps
[22:28] <jozefk> how can I setup the wifi from that mini cd?
[22:28] <jozefk> it's all cli
[22:28] <leszek> just use a cable xD
[22:28] <leszek> otherwise you need to learn ifconfig , iwconfig and so on
[22:28] <jozefk> no cable here
[22:29] <jozefk> I don't like to learn anything now :)
[22:29] <jozefk> ok I'll just go for xfce and install lxde over it :)
[22:56] <Neosano> Argh! Lubuntu is so nice, but there's no progress in lxde :|
[22:56] <Neosano> annoying bugs are not getting fixed..
[22:57] <Neosano> dynamic panel size didn't work for ages
[22:57] <MrChrisDruif> Neosano: We're not stopping you from helping upstream fixing bugs :)
[22:58] <Neosano> I know.. I know..
[22:59] <Neosano> still maybe lubuntu team should spend some time helping with lxde?
[22:59] <Neosano> not much.. but just to fix main problems
[23:30] <phillw> Neosano: with the departure of a couple of lxde people, the lubuntu devs ARE helping!
[23:30] <Neosano> oh :o
[23:35] <leccy> hi - I'm running lubuntu 10.04 - is it possible to upgrade to 11.04 using apt-get or do I have to re-install from an ISO?
[23:35] <Neosano> well, first of all you have to upgrade to 10.10
[23:36] <Neosano> then to 11.04
[23:36] <Neosano> Still I would highly recommend to reinstall it
[23:36] <leccy> okay. See... I tried following the instructions on the 'how to install lubuntu from ubuntu' wiki, but it didn't do much
[23:36] <Neosano> in my life I've tried to upgrade 3 times
[23:36] <MrChrisDruif> I was just discussing this in -offtopic that a sudo do-release-upgrade -d in terminal would do the trick
[23:36] <Neosano> every time it fucks something up
[23:36] <leccy> yeah, I was thinking a reinstall might be cleaner
[23:37] <MrChrisDruif> That is true :)
[23:37] <MrChrisDruif> Upgrades have always borked up my systems as well
[23:38] <MrChrisDruif> Ow...I've just been told that jumping one release IS NOT RECOMMENDED!
[23:38] <Neosano> huh?
[23:38] <leccy> I just issued that do-release-upgrade command... so if I suddenly disconnect, it means I'm borked
[23:38] <Neosano> leccy, nah, you'll get borked after reboot
[23:38] <leccy> lol - probably
[23:39] <Neosano> definitely
[23:39] <leccy> still, I like to try these things out to see what happens
[23:39] <leccy> it'll take me, what, 10 minutes to reinstall from an ISO
[23:40] <leccy> or... I could just never reboot this netbook again.... ;-)
[23:40] <Neosano> then what's the point of upgrading
[23:40] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed :P
[23:40] <leccy> 5 packages are going to be removed. 92 new packages are going to be installed. 656 packages are going to be upgraded.
[23:41] <leccy> hmmm....
[23:41] <Neosano> cuz it'll require rebooting your netbook
[23:41] <MrChrisDruif> :D
[23:42] <leccy> actually, I always do this to myself. I've been happy with lubuntu 10.04 for a year now... I see a better looking taskbar, and I want to upgrade.... tut
[23:42] <bioterror> servers gets upgraded from LTS to LTS
[23:42] <Neosano> the artwork in 11.04 is perfect :O
[23:42] <leccy> what's the next LTS version?
[23:42] <bioterror> 12.04 if I remember right
[23:43] <leccy> yeah, 2 yrs, that sounds right
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[23:43] <Neosano> 1 year?
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> Neosano: 2
[23:43] <Neosano> why O_o
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> 10.04 is the previous LTS
[23:43] <leccy> tell you what - I'm gonna enter 'no' to the upgrade, and I'll see you all next April
[23:43] <bioterror> I was just referring to "jump" from 10.04 to 11.04
[23:43] <Neosano> oh, I mean 1 year from now
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> Neosano: LTS is supported for 3 years
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, in one year :)
[23:44] <Neosano> leccy :D
[23:44] <Neosano> do not leave us
[23:44] <leccy> lol
[23:44] <MrChrisDruif> Neosano: Server edition is even supported for 5 years
[23:44] <Neosano> MrChrisDruif, whoa!
[23:44] <leccy> tell you what, you're gonna get a bunch of Unity refugees now that you've released 11.04
[23:45] <bioterror> that's for sure
[23:45] <MrChrisDruif> Might be so
[23:45] <bioterror> but I failed with 11.04 vanilla buntu to 11.04 lubuntu
[23:45] <bioterror> some problems with icon theme
[23:45] <leccy> it's always nice to see the number of spin-off announcements on distrowatch every time ubuntu upgrade
[23:46] <bioterror> and xubuntu didnt even get themes and settings correct
[23:46] <Neosano> I haven't tried ubuntu for 3 years now :|
[23:46] <Neosano> I was using fat kubuntu at first
[23:46] <Neosano> now lubuntu
[23:46] <Unit193> bioterror: How so?
[23:47] <bioterror> I dunno
[23:47] <bioterror> I'm still like "o_O"
[23:47] <leccy> ahhh... I'm gonna be in heaven in a week's time... back onto Goobuntu for 12 months in my new work project...
[23:48] <leccy> 10.04 LTS, thankfully
[23:48] <bioterror> leccy, you will be in heaven when you install GoboLinux :D
[23:48] <Neosano> what's the point of using xubuntu?
[23:49] <bioterror> Neosano, liking the XFCE
[23:49] <Neosano> o_O
[23:49] <Unit193> Xubuntu looks sweet (And it's more like how Ubuntu used to be)
[23:49] <Neosano> fetish thing, eh?
[23:49] <bioterror> Unit193, yep
[23:49] <bioterror> something like that
[23:49] <bioterror> for the purists :D
[23:49] <leccy> old-school ubuntu... before they went all unity on us
[23:50] <bioterror> I dont like the term "Linux Distribution" nowdays
[23:50] <Neosano> why?
[23:50] <Unit193> I use Lubuntu and Xubuntu
[23:51] <bioterror> I'm checking distrowatch.com and, all I can see is lots of stuff that's based on Debian or RedHat/Fedora and they have stupid names and few apps added
[23:51] <bioterror> and a different theme set
[23:51] <bioterror> and they call it distribution
[23:51] <leccy> Linux Combo would be a better term. It's what WM, DE, and package manager it uses.... the combination of these three
[23:52] <Unit193> flavor?
[23:52] <Neosano> and what is unity?...
[23:52] <leccy> WM
[23:52] <bioterror> back in the 90's distributions ment that they have different kind of features. another one uses rpm as a package manager, others are straight build from sources and so on
[23:52] <Neosano> oh
[23:52] <bioterror> unity is candy on metacity/gnome
[23:52] <leccy> unity can sit on top of any distro
[23:52] <leccy> if you were really determined to run it
[23:53] <leccy> poor metacity... it was dumped :(
[23:53] <bioterror> for me Unity looks like ugly OS X Dock
[23:54] <leccy> for me, it looks like ugly OSX dock that doesn't work properly
[23:54] <bioterror> :D
[23:54] <bioterror> vanilla 'buntu is mostly becoming OS X with darker default theme
[23:55] <leccy> Gnome Shell is closer to OSX
[23:55] <Neosano> uhh, global menu in the panel??
[23:56] <Neosano> isn't it the dumbest idea to implement?
[23:56] <bioterror> :D
[23:56] <Neosano> I understand it in OSX, they are just trying to be different
[23:56] <Neosano> but ununtu :<
[23:57] <bioterror> we can always install fvwm2 ;K)
[23:57] <leccy> unity is halfway to being a good tablet interface, but not quite there, and far enough away from being a decent desktop interface to fall firmly between two stools. It's in limbo
[23:58] <Neosano> and this thing on the left.. it's simply eating space, right?
[23:58] <leccy> Android is a good tablet interface, or even iOS... if you want to see your app icons and make them easy to select, just use up the whole screen
[23:58] <Neosano> or does it pop out when needed?
[23:58] <bioterror> seems like they have "systray" in FVMW2 nowdays
[23:59] <leccy> and when you click an icon, make it go full-screen, like iOS
[23:59] <leccy> yeah, sometimes the unity bar hides itself. it seems pretty random to me
[23:59] <Neosano> O_o
[23:59] <Neosano> I have one panel on the bottom with task bar and clock only
[23:59] <Neosano> that's all I need really