[02:17] <linuxman410> having  problem with intel 845ge only has one resolution it says unknown monitor any help
[02:53] <Unit193> !x
[02:55] <Unit193> linuxman410: In short: CTRL+ALT+F1 > sudo /etc/init.d/lxdm stop > sudo X -configure > sudo mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf > sudo /etc/init.d/lxdm start
[02:55] <Byan> so
[02:56] <Byan> is there a way to keep the lubuntu package.. but remove one of it's 'dependencies'
[02:56] <Byan> I want to roll my own pidgin..
[02:57] <Unit193> Byan: You don't really need to keep lubuntu-desktop installed
[02:57] <Unit193> Byan: What do you mean by "roll my own pidgin"?
[03:08] <Byan> Unit193: compile pidgin myself
[03:08] <Byan> carrier, rather
[03:09] <Byan> ie fun pidgin
[03:12] <Jim__> i have a question? does lubuntu going to release lubuntu 11.04 or something?
[03:12] <Unit193> Jim__: It's done! (If you read the topic, you get the link)
[03:12] <Jim__> Unit193: thanks
[03:14] <Unit193> Jim__: http://i.imgur.com/kJM8e.png
[08:30] <jozefk> 11.04 final is ready for download?
[08:30] <Unit193> Welcome to #lubuntu , jozefk
[08:30] <jozefk> :)
[08:31] <Unit193> Yeah, topic
[08:31] <jozefk> I see. thanks :)
[08:33] <Unit193> jozefk: http://i.imgur.com/EX4Nq.png
[08:33] <jozefk> is it the same network manager as in xubuntu?
[08:35] <Unit193> I do not think so, I'll check
[08:36] <Unit193> Eh, I don't remember what X uses
[08:36] <jozefk> do you have lubuntu installed?
[08:36] <Unit193> Yeah
[08:36] <Unit193> Lubuntu uses wicd
[08:37] <jozefk> then just right click on network manager from right size and maybe take a screenshot. or right click and choose Edit Connections if it is there
[08:37] <jozefk> wicd only?
[08:37] <Unit193> IIRC
[08:38] <jozefk> will download and see
[08:38] <jozefk> might be wicd will work too
[08:39] <jozefk> :)
[09:35] <head_victim> Why would a folder say 8.8gb file size but nearly 100 gb size on disk ?
[09:35] <bioterror> which? what?
[09:35] <head_victim> My /home
[09:36] <bioterror> hmmmm
[09:36] <head_victim> Everything I look at in there shows 1/10 the file size as to the size on disk
[09:36] <bioterror> you have separate partition and df -h gives different size than du -h?
[09:36] <head_victim> du - h lists a crapload of files
[09:37] <bioterror> sure it lists
[09:37] <head_victim> df -h lists 11gb
[09:38] <bioterror> 1,6T    sad157
[09:38] <bioterror> :DDDDDDDD
[09:38] <head_victim> du -h the last line is . 11G
[09:38] <head_victim> Hah I got a 2gb warning on my 2tb spare folder on the other PC last night :/
[09:38] <bioterror> I need MOAR SPACE!
[09:38] <bioterror> my pr0n collection is too huge
[09:38] <head_victim> I have nearly 10tb in hdds here
[09:39] <head_victim> A lot of it is in raid 10 so I loose most of it
[09:45] <bioterror> hoho
[09:45] <bioterror> raid5 ftw! ;)
[09:45] <head_victim> I prefer 10 :D
[09:48] <ncopa> hi
[09:48] <ncopa> lubuntu.net is down?
[09:48] <head_victim> Well I'm backing up my /home as we speak and then going to do my first ever Ubuntu upgrade, I usually fresh install
[09:48] <head_victim> ncopa: it is?
[09:49] <ncopa> seems so
[09:49] <ncopa> anybody have a torrent for lubuntu-11.04?
[09:49] <head_victim> ncopa: check the topic ;)
[09:50] <head_victim> I have 15 connected peers that I'm currently seeding to
[09:50] <head_victim> And so it's going up at a rate of knots
[09:51] <ncopa> thanks
[09:51] <head_victim> Well, it's not that quick tbh, my upload speed is only 1MB :/
[09:52] <head_victim> bioterror: if I backup /home is there anything else I should save?
[09:52] <bioterror> I take /etc/samba/smb.conf ;)
[09:52] <head_victim> Never doing an upgrade I haven't really researched it. I usually just keep my /home
[09:52] <head_victim> bioterror: ahh yeah, /etc is a nice backup
[09:53] <bioterror> are you going to do-release-upgrade? :D
[09:53] <head_victim> I'm going to look into what's the safer option
[09:53] <bioterror> it's okay
[09:53] <head_victim> I'm on 10.10 now
[09:53] <bioterror> I've never had problems with it :D
[09:54] <head_victim> So worst case I loose it all I'll keep home and etc and that should get me back if need be
[09:54] <bioterror> you wont loose anything :D
[09:54]  * head_victim plays guinea pig.
[09:55] <head_victim> Hah someone is trying to download 10.04 off me
[09:55] <head_victim> Must have an unsupported cpu :/
[09:55] <bioterror> or just thinks it's "LTS" ;)
[09:56] <bioterror> "mmm... I will use this forever!!"
[09:56] <head_victim> ncopa: thanks for letting us know about lubuntu.net though
[09:56] <head_victim> phillw: anyone we can ping to resolve the lubuntu.net being down?
[09:57] <ncopa> np
[09:59] <bioterror> owner of the domain is on the list
[09:59] <bioterror> lubuntu-desktop mailing list
[09:59] <head_victim> bioterror: just writing an email now actually will add it to that
[10:07] <head_victim> Question for all you torrenting people, are there more trackers I should add to the default transmission ones to reach a larger audience?
[10:19] <head_victim> Ah apparently the website isn't down it's just overloaded
[12:02] <tomasz_> hi
[12:02] <tomasz_> lubuntu.net works ?
[12:04] <head_victim> tomasz_: yes, it's busy at the moment so it might be a little slower than normal is all
[12:05] <tomasz_> becous dont load me
[12:10] <MrChrisDruif> Is lubuntu-desktop in the default repos of Ubuntu? Like if you want to install it on Ubuntu you just issue sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop?
[12:11] <tomasz_> lxde-session
[12:11] <MrChrisDruif> lxde-session? Would that have the same effect as lubuntu install?
[12:12] <tomasz_> lubuntu use lxde
[12:22] <MrChrisDruif> ;topic
[13:01] <Neosano> hmmm, why lubuntu.net is not loading?
[13:35] <Kurdistan> hey dear lubuntu fans, how is lubuntu natty going?
[13:35] <bioterror> it's going into right direction!
[13:37] <Kurdistan> bioterror, I am really impressed with the reading
[13:37] <Kurdistan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Announcement/NattyNarwhal
[13:37] <Kurdistan> much more changes and to the better.
[13:39] <Kurdistan> I am really glad. I will try it out, couple a weeks from now.
[13:39] <Kurdistan> thx lubuntu dev
[13:41] <Kurdistan> for me edubuntu or lubuntu will be my main dist.
[13:47] <Kurdistan> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/671
[13:47] <Kurdistan> really glad to read this from mark
[13:47] <Kurdistan> about lubuntu
[13:47] <MrChrisDruif> The response from Mark, indeed :)
[13:49] <Kurdistan> viva lubuntu
[13:53] <Kurdistan> I will log-out. Keep up the good work.
[15:23] <tdn> After installing Ubuntu 11.04 and enabling the restricted Broadcom STA wifi driver, the wifi network stops working after a while. How do I fix this?
[16:20] <NRWlion> hi guys, is it normal that live cds do show several errors while checking for them?
[16:48] <bioterror> oh my
[16:48] <bioterror> this is what I feared
[16:48] <bioterror> inlaws had upgraded yesterday and now this complains about unity every logon
[16:48] <bioterror> and so on
[16:48] <bioterror> psychocat's pure lxde doesnt work...
[16:49] <bioterror> so, sudo apt-get purge gnome\* kde\*
[16:49] <bioterror> :----------------)
[16:49] <bioterror> NRWlion, it's not normal :-)
[17:00] <bioterror> hmmm, alt+f2 doesnt work
[17:00] <bioterror> I dont get "launcher" pop-up
[17:01] <NRWlion> bioterror : my whole system doesnt work after trying to upgrade all night :(
[17:01] <NRWlion> i only do have my laptop now
[17:01] <NRWlion> :(
[17:01] <NRWlion> :D
[17:07] <leszek> hi
[17:08] <NRWlion> hi leszek
[17:09] <leszek> :)
[17:09] <leszek> its like magic, lubuntu release on the same day as zevenos-neptune released xD
[17:10] <bioterror> hmmmm
[17:10] <NRWlion> yeah and i was so excited that i crashed my system :D
[17:10] <bioterror> I have wlan icon for lan network :D
[17:10] <bioterror> did I install 11.04 final or alpha? :D
[17:11] <leszek> bioterror: haha xD really ?
[17:11] <leszek> maybe someone linked the icon the wrong way. As ubuntu switched to indicators, perhaps no one noticed it that the tray icon is linked wrongly
[17:11] <bioterror> :D
[17:12] <leszek> so I am idle again xD, rain stopped again, so back to work in the garden
[17:13] <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/lubuntu-11.04.png
[17:14] <bioterror> gilir, Fri19:13 <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/lubuntu-11.04.png
[17:14] <NRWlion> hey gilir!
[17:14] <bioterror> any ideas what's that empty box between broken nm-applet and digital clock
[17:14] <bioterror> as I am using desktop computer and eth0 ;)
[17:15] <gilir> bioterror, no idea :/ Do you try to enable indicators applet ?
[17:15] <gilir> hi NRWlion
[17:15] <bioterror> no, I just removed gnome and installed lubuntu-desktop
[17:15] <NRWlion> gilir: the iso from your link is been buggy searching for errors gave me more than 10 warnings
[17:16] <gilir> NRWlion, do you check md5sum ?
[17:16] <NRWlion> system showed no irregularitys
[17:18] <gilir> bioterror, do you try to change the icon theme ? your terminal icons seem also strange
[17:18] <bioterror> gilir, terminal is urxvt and I'm using font fixed ;)
[17:18] <gilir> ah ok :) But still, try to swicth the icon theme :)
[17:19] <bioterror> hmmmm
[17:20] <bioterror> I recall that elementary was dumped and you guys had a new icon set
[17:21] <gilir> it's the case, must 99,99% of the icons are inherited from elementary
[17:22] <bioterror> what was that new icon
[17:22] <gilir> 2 in fact, 1 for the shutdown icon (on the right of the panel), 1 for the lubuntu icon in the installer
[17:25] <bioterror> and translation is now set to iso-8859-15
[17:25] <bioterror> fffffffffffff
[17:29] <bioterror> this didnt go as I expected
[17:29] <bioterror> damn you unity!!
[17:29] <gilir> I have also weird behavior when installing lubuntu after a classic ubuntu
[17:30] <bioterror> not good, as I even used --purge
[17:30] <bioterror> and then I fetched it
[17:30] <bioterror> maybe I should roll to xfce :G
[17:30]  * NRWlion is going back to kde 07.10
[17:30] <bioterror> yeah
[17:31] <bioterror> back to console and do some maaagick!
[17:32] <gilir> oh : http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/671
[17:32] <gilir> search for Lubuntu ;)
[17:33] <NRWlion> gilir : even if i find it i am not able to burn it in iso as my laptop has no cd/dvd
[17:33] <gilir> NRWlion, you can use usbcreator and put in on a USB pen drive ?
[17:34] <NRWlion> that would be an option?
[17:47] <Unit193> NRWlion: I may have a disk of that
[17:47] <NRWlion> i am installing KDE 7.10 now
[17:47] <NRWlion> this is the only version i can run now
[17:47] <NRWlion> :(
[17:48] <Unit193> Ah, I was thinking Kubuntu 7.10
[17:48] <bioterror> I've never been this lost
[17:48] <bioterror> even Xubuntu fails at me
[17:49] <NRWlion> welcome to the club bioterror
[17:49] <bioterror> sad to say, but I'm first time dissapointed
[17:56] <NRWlion> bioterror : so am i
[17:57] <tdn> After installing 11.04 and enabling the restricted Broadcom STA wifi driver, the wifi network stops working after a while. How do I fix this?
[17:58] <bioterror> I have to say that lubuntu worked even better than this crappy xubuntu
[17:58] <bioterror> :G
[18:09] <Unit193> I take it this wouldn't be a good time to update?
[18:10] <bioterror> I would consider twice :D
[18:15] <Unit193> I would then also have to reboot :/
[18:41] <warpi> hello, is there a 64-bit version of lubuntu 11.04?
[18:55] <leszek> warpi: not that I know. But  I think there are 64 Bit packages in the repo. So you might install a 64bit base (minimal) system and then you can apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[18:56] <warpi> leszek, you mean, install ubuntu 64-bit and choose "base minimal system installation" and then replace desktop?
[18:56] <leszek> exactly
[18:56] <warpi> okay, great!
[18:56] <warpi> wont i loose any performance on this?
[18:57] <leszek> I don't think so
[18:57] <warpi> compared to lubuntu ordinary iso?
[18:57] <warpi> ok
[18:57] <Unit193> !mini | warpi
[18:57] <Unit193> Then add lubuntu-desktop
[18:57] <warpi> great!
[18:58] <warpi> that was a damn small cd :)
[18:58] <warpi> so this is the perfered way to install lubuntu on 64-bit computer?
[18:59] <Unit193> warpi: That's what I've seen
[18:59] <warpi> oki
[18:59] <warpi> i will try this
[18:59] <warpi> thanks for the help
[19:05] <jozefk> what is mini.iso?
[19:05] <Unit193> !mini
[19:06] <Unit193> (At least you don't have to rexplain everything)
[19:06] <Unit193> Then you can add lubuntu-desktop
[19:10] <jozefk> that would be how many MB to download during installation/
[19:10] <jozefk> ?
[19:10] <Unit193> That would take some downloading
[19:11] <jozefk> it's much faster to download the iso then package by package
[19:11] <Unit193> It downloads everything for you
[19:12] <jozefk> do you know any light distro with pulseaudio giving sound on all 5+1 speakers ?
[19:13] <leszek> jozefk: zevenos 3.0
[19:15] <jozefk> that's xfce
[19:15] <jozefk> xubuntu is working also :)
[19:15] <Unit193> It works now?
[19:16] <jozefk> but xfce is freezing. i need lxde or fluxbox or openbox or e17 or something like that
[19:16] <jozefk> it's working but freezing
[19:16] <bioterror> e17 is crap
[19:16] <bioterror> it looks nice, but that's all
[19:16] <bioterror> crashes and just doesnt feel right
[19:17] <bioterror> all the menus and stuff
[19:17] <jozefk> ok will not even think about it then
[19:17] <Unit193> bioterror: Take a look at Bodhi
[19:17] <jozefk> bodhi yeah maybe i should boot that live CD and see
[19:18] <bioterror> I'm still shocked what I encountered today at in-laws
[19:18] <leszek> jozefk: if its freezing I guess your hardware maybe broken
[19:19] <jozefk> yes but lxde works fine
[19:19] <leszek> I don't think that it has something to do with the window manager or desktop environment
[19:19] <bioterror> lxdm is not two language friendly
[19:19] <bioterror> father in law is a turkish and mother in law is finnish
[19:20] <bioterror> I cant make "default" settings for each of them
[19:20] <leszek> lxdm never intended to be friendly to multiple languages I guess
[19:21] <jozefk> 2 language? I need only english
[19:21] <bioterror> yeah, I have to think something else instead of lxdm, maybe that stinky GDM :D
[19:22] <leszek> does gdm has this support build in ?
[19:22] <bioterror> yes
[19:22] <leszek> ah interesting to know ;)
[19:22] <jozefk> and why the live lubuntu doesn't want to start for me?
[19:23] <leszek> jozefk: error message ?
[19:23] <bioterror> http://library.gnome.org/admin/gdm/stable/configuration.html.en#userconfig
[19:23] <jozefk> I don't have it now. I can reboot and try. actually I overwrite the CD already. I could burn it again
[19:33] <jozefk> does pulseaudio works at all on lubuntu? with 5.1 sound?
[19:42] <LAcan> alsa only i believe, pulse is pastware
[20:29] <jozefk> pastware?
[20:30] <leszek> pastware xD
[20:30] <leszek> whats that ?
[20:30] <jozefk> I have no idea
[20:30] <leszek> jozefk: pulseaudio should work at least if you install it on lubuntu and switch gnome-mplayer and audacious to use the pulse plugin
[22:20] <jozefk> in xubuntu I got pulse working. and 5.1 speakers. no problem
[22:21] <jozefk> I believe I can get the same with lubuntu also
[22:21] <jozefk> I just don't know how to get the CD working :)
[22:22] <jozefk> I can't find the link for mini.iso
[22:23] <Unit193> !mini
[22:23] <Unit193> There it is :)
[22:23] <Unit193> alsamixer is your audio volume levels
[22:24] <jozefk> I can get pavucontrols installed also right?
[22:24] <jozefk> this CD is 19MB :)))
[22:24] <leszek> yes but you need pulseaudio aswell
[22:25] <Unit193> You download stuff later
[22:25] <leszek> jozefk: thats why its called mini
[22:25] <jozefk> how long it will take to install full lubuntu from that mini CD?
[22:26] <leszek> depends on your bandwith
[22:26] <jozefk> I have 8mbps. but when I'm downloading something it's never more than 1mbps
[22:28] <jozefk> how can I setup the wifi from that mini cd?
[22:28] <jozefk> it's all cli
[22:28] <leszek> just use a cable xD
[22:28] <leszek> otherwise you need to learn ifconfig , iwconfig and so on
[22:28] <jozefk> no cable here
[22:29] <jozefk> I don't like to learn anything now :)
[22:29] <jozefk> ok I'll just go for xfce and install lxde over it :)
[22:56] <Neosano> Argh! Lubuntu is so nice, but there's no progress in lxde :|
[22:56] <Neosano> annoying bugs are not getting fixed..
[22:57] <Neosano> dynamic panel size didn't work for ages
[22:57] <MrChrisDruif> Neosano: We're not stopping you from helping upstream fixing bugs :)
[22:58] <Neosano> I know.. I know..
[22:59] <Neosano> still maybe lubuntu team should spend some time helping with lxde?
[22:59] <Neosano> not much.. but just to fix main problems
[23:30] <phillw> Neosano: with the departure of a couple of lxde people, the lubuntu devs ARE helping!
[23:30] <Neosano> oh :o
[23:35] <leccy> hi - I'm running lubuntu 10.04 - is it possible to upgrade to 11.04 using apt-get or do I have to re-install from an ISO?
[23:35] <Neosano> well, first of all you have to upgrade to 10.10
[23:36] <Neosano> then to 11.04
[23:36] <Neosano> Still I would highly recommend to reinstall it
[23:36] <leccy> okay. See... I tried following the instructions on the 'how to install lubuntu from ubuntu' wiki, but it didn't do much
[23:36] <Neosano> in my life I've tried to upgrade 3 times
[23:36] <MrChrisDruif> I was just discussing this in -offtopic that a sudo do-release-upgrade -d in terminal would do the trick
[23:36] <Neosano> every time it fucks something up
[23:36] <leccy> yeah, I was thinking a reinstall might be cleaner
[23:37] <MrChrisDruif> That is true :)
[23:37] <MrChrisDruif> Upgrades have always borked up my systems as well
[23:38] <MrChrisDruif> Ow...I've just been told that jumping one release IS NOT RECOMMENDED!
[23:38] <Neosano> huh?
[23:38] <leccy> I just issued that do-release-upgrade command... so if I suddenly disconnect, it means I'm borked
[23:38] <Neosano> leccy, nah, you'll get borked after reboot
[23:38] <leccy> lol - probably
[23:39] <Neosano> definitely
[23:39] <leccy> still, I like to try these things out to see what happens
[23:39] <leccy> it'll take me, what, 10 minutes to reinstall from an ISO
[23:40] <leccy> or... I could just never reboot this netbook again.... ;-)
[23:40] <Neosano> then what's the point of upgrading
[23:40] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed :P
[23:40] <leccy> 5 packages are going to be removed. 92 new packages are going to be installed. 656 packages are going to be upgraded.
[23:41] <leccy> hmmm....
[23:41] <Neosano> cuz it'll require rebooting your netbook
[23:41] <MrChrisDruif> :D
[23:42] <leccy> actually, I always do this to myself. I've been happy with lubuntu 10.04 for a year now... I see a better looking taskbar, and I want to upgrade.... tut
[23:42] <bioterror> servers gets upgraded from LTS to LTS
[23:42] <Neosano> the artwork in 11.04 is perfect :O
[23:42] <leccy> what's the next LTS version?
[23:42] <bioterror> 12.04 if I remember right
[23:43] <leccy> yeah, 2 yrs, that sounds right
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[23:43] <Neosano> 1 year?
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> Neosano: 2
[23:43] <Neosano> why O_o
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> 10.04 is the previous LTS
[23:43] <leccy> tell you what - I'm gonna enter 'no' to the upgrade, and I'll see you all next April
[23:43] <bioterror> I was just referring to "jump" from 10.04 to 11.04
[23:43] <Neosano> oh, I mean 1 year from now
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> Neosano: LTS is supported for 3 years
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, in one year :)
[23:44] <Neosano> leccy :D
[23:44] <Neosano> do not leave us
[23:44] <leccy> lol
[23:44] <MrChrisDruif> Neosano: Server edition is even supported for 5 years
[23:44] <Neosano> MrChrisDruif, whoa!
[23:44] <leccy> tell you what, you're gonna get a bunch of Unity refugees now that you've released 11.04
[23:45] <bioterror> that's for sure
[23:45] <MrChrisDruif> Might be so
[23:45] <bioterror> but I failed with 11.04 vanilla buntu to 11.04 lubuntu
[23:45] <bioterror> some problems with icon theme
[23:45] <leccy> it's always nice to see the number of spin-off announcements on distrowatch every time ubuntu upgrade
[23:46] <bioterror> and xubuntu didnt even get themes and settings correct
[23:46] <Neosano> I haven't tried ubuntu for 3 years now :|
[23:46] <Neosano> I was using fat kubuntu at first
[23:46] <Neosano> now lubuntu
[23:46] <Unit193> bioterror: How so?
[23:47] <bioterror> I dunno
[23:47] <bioterror> I'm still like "o_O"
[23:47] <leccy> ahhh... I'm gonna be in heaven in a week's time... back onto Goobuntu for 12 months in my new work project...
[23:48] <leccy> 10.04 LTS, thankfully
[23:48] <bioterror> leccy, you will be in heaven when you install GoboLinux :D
[23:48] <Neosano> what's the point of using xubuntu?
[23:49] <bioterror> Neosano, liking the XFCE
[23:49] <Neosano> o_O
[23:49] <Unit193> Xubuntu looks sweet (And it's more like how Ubuntu used to be)
[23:49] <Neosano> fetish thing, eh?
[23:49] <bioterror> Unit193, yep
[23:49] <bioterror> something like that
[23:49] <bioterror> for the purists :D
[23:49] <leccy> old-school ubuntu... before they went all unity on us
[23:50] <bioterror> I dont like the term "Linux Distribution" nowdays
[23:50] <Neosano> why?
[23:50] <Unit193> I use Lubuntu and Xubuntu
[23:51] <bioterror> I'm checking distrowatch.com and, all I can see is lots of stuff that's based on Debian or RedHat/Fedora and they have stupid names and few apps added
[23:51] <bioterror> and a different theme set
[23:51] <bioterror> and they call it distribution
[23:51] <leccy> Linux Combo would be a better term. It's what WM, DE, and package manager it uses.... the combination of these three
[23:52] <Unit193> flavor?
[23:52] <Neosano> and what is unity?...
[23:52] <leccy> WM
[23:52] <bioterror> back in the 90's distributions ment that they have different kind of features. another one uses rpm as a package manager, others are straight build from sources and so on
[23:52] <Neosano> oh
[23:52] <bioterror> unity is candy on metacity/gnome
[23:52] <leccy> unity can sit on top of any distro
[23:52] <leccy> if you were really determined to run it
[23:53] <leccy> poor metacity... it was dumped :(
[23:53] <bioterror> for me Unity looks like ugly OS X Dock
[23:54] <leccy> for me, it looks like ugly OSX dock that doesn't work properly
[23:54] <bioterror> :D
[23:54] <bioterror> vanilla 'buntu is mostly becoming OS X with darker default theme
[23:55] <leccy> Gnome Shell is closer to OSX
[23:55] <Neosano> uhh, global menu in the panel??
[23:56] <Neosano> isn't it the dumbest idea to implement?
[23:56] <bioterror> :D
[23:56] <Neosano> I understand it in OSX, they are just trying to be different
[23:56] <Neosano> but ununtu :<
[23:57] <bioterror> we can always install fvwm2 ;K)
[23:57] <leccy> unity is halfway to being a good tablet interface, but not quite there, and far enough away from being a decent desktop interface to fall firmly between two stools. It's in limbo
[23:58] <Neosano> and this thing on the left.. it's simply eating space, right?
[23:58] <leccy> Android is a good tablet interface, or even iOS... if you want to see your app icons and make them easy to select, just use up the whole screen
[23:58] <Neosano> or does it pop out when needed?
[23:58] <bioterror> seems like they have "systray" in FVMW2 nowdays
[23:59] <leccy> and when you click an icon, make it go full-screen, like iOS
[23:59] <leccy> yeah, sometimes the unity bar hides itself. it seems pretty random to me
[23:59] <Neosano> O_o
[23:59] <Neosano> I have one panel on the bottom with task bar and clock only
[23:59] <Neosano> that's all I need really