[00:49] <BUGabundo> nite folks! TGTiF
[02:58] <Tanks5> Upgraded to Kubuntu 11.04 from 10.10. Get past grub and then Kubuntu 11.04 in plain text appears. after that the screen goes blank and freezes forcing a reboot.
[02:59] <Tanks5> can not get past the blank screen -n00b needs help
[03:06] <hggdh> Tanks5: please use #ubuntu, we do not do support here
[03:06] <Tanks5> thanks
[08:06] <corno> good morning
[08:07] <corno> i would appreciate it if someone can give me some advice or point me in the right direction, my story as follows:
[08:08] <corno> i'm new to the LaunchPad system, joined a few days ago and would love to get involved with bug-fixing/development
[08:10] <corno> i've found a specific bug that i'm interested and its status is as follows:  a patch has been submitted to the bug item.
[08:11] <corno> the patch is made on top of usb-creator version 0.2.28
[08:11] <corno> when i checked out the latest TRUNK i see that other fixes/changes have been committed in the meantime
[08:12] <micahg> corno: you should ask about that in #ubuntu-devel, this channel is mainly for bug triage
[08:13] <corno> micahg - thanks, will do :)
[09:55] <MichealH> Hi all, I'm interested in heavily triaging bugs
[09:55] <MichealH> What was the wiki page again?
[10:02] <MichealH> chrisccoulson: Is there a wiki page to documnet how i can start bug triaging?
[10:04] <chrisccoulson> MichealH, i'm probably not the best person to ask (I hardly do any bug triaging), but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage might be a good start
[10:04] <MichealH> Thanks :)
[10:06] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: Do you know why about:startpage in ubufox doesn't show the local homepage when there is no web connection?
[10:06] <jbicha> I have to manually hit File>Work Offline to see it
[10:09] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, my guess is you have the network manager integration turned off
[10:09] <jbicha> ?
[10:09] <chrisccoulson> works here ;)
[10:13] <jbicha> it doesn't work here with networking disabled in nm-applet on Natty with a clean profile
[10:20] <jbicha> I'll just open a bug for you then :-)
[10:21] <chrisccoulson> don't bother, i can already see why
[10:21] <chrisccoulson> in any case, it doesn't really matter, as the offline page doesn't work even when firefox detects you are offline
[10:22] <chrisccoulson> i'm just going to kill that whole thing entirely
[10:22] <jbicha> oh ok, it's easier not opening a bug
[10:23] <jbicha> I care because the theme for the local page is out-of-date (of course that theme doesn't work in Firefox) &
[10:24] <jbicha> it would be easier to kill the local page than retheme it
[10:25] <chrisccoulson> the theme doesn't work in firefox because it is blocked by it's security policy
[10:25] <chrisccoulson> about: URI's can be linked to from remote content, and are therefore blocked from loading local data from the filesystem
[10:26] <chrisccoulson> so the stylesheets are blocked
[10:58] <jibel> mvo, hey, any idea what could cause bug 772775
[10:58] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772775 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update to 11.04 failed (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772775
[10:58] <jibel> mvo, this is the second report like this, look at the kde-plasmoid-cwd record in the status file
[10:59] <jibel> mvo, the other one is bug 773022
[11:00] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 773022 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Could not install the upgrades to 11.04 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773022
[11:03] <mvo> jibel: looks like this package is causing the trouble, I don't think it was ever part of the official release, it looks like the new dpkg got stricter about the allowed values in the priority field in natty and therefore causing the crash
[11:07] <jibel> mvo, right, but if you look at the status file from apt-clone in 773022 the record is complete. So it looks like it gets corrupted during the upgrade ?
[11:08] <mvo> jibel: ohhhh
[11:09] <mvo> jibel: that gives it a different level importance
[11:09] <jibel> mvo, that's why I'm requesting your advice :-)
[11:12] <mvo> jibel: I need to go for lunch soon, but I will diagnose afterwards
[11:12] <jibel> mvo, np, bon appétit
[11:12] <mvo> thanks!
[11:13] <jibel> buxy, you might be interested in the above discussion as well. maybe it's a false positive.
[11:19] <buxy> jibel: kde-plasmoid-cwp is not an official package right? it looks like it has a bad Priority field and it should be dropped/fixed prior to the dpkg upgrade
[11:20] <buxy> (and maybe dpkg should refuse to upgrade as long as some packages with bad priorities are installed)
[11:25] <jibel> buxy, my concern was that, in 772775 the record is truncated but it was corrupted before the upgrade too.
[11:26] <jibel> buxy, I was wondering is it could be corrupted during the upgrade.
[11:26] <jibel> because the other report has a complete record.
[11:30] <MichealH> jibel: I had a thing when upgrading
[11:30] <jibel> MichealH, Cool, what thing ?
[11:30] <MichealH> I installed without formatting
[11:30] <MichealH> Then on return the NVidia drivers were playing up with unity
[11:31] <MichealH> Unity was flickerign on and off, rendering it unusable
[11:32] <jibel> MichealH, Do you have a bug numbeR ?
[11:32] <MichealH> In the end, I had to reinstall with formatting becuase Unity 2D bugged up when i started something £D
[11:32] <MichealH> Nope
[11:32] <MichealH> I thought someone else reported it xD
[11:32] <jibel> MichealH, It's better to have 2 reports than none.
[11:32] <MichealH> kk
[11:33]  * MichealH reports 2 bugs, I just found annother
[11:34] <jibel> MichealH, If you can reproduce it can you file a report please, this type of error can be very hardware specific, and affect different pieces of software, X, drivers, kernel, compiz or whatever.
[11:34] <MichealH> The new scrollbars are playing up
[11:34] <MichealH> I really do not want to retry, it took me hours to get everything running again :(
[11:37] <MichealH> Gah! How the ... Do you file a bug :/
[11:38] <MichealH> Its changed completley
[11:43] <jibel> MichealH, to file a bug you can use 'ubuntu-bug package_name' from the command line or the run dialog (alt+f2)
[11:44] <jibel> MichealH, for example to file abug against compiz, run: ubuntu-bug compiz
[13:41] <txomon> hello, I have registered a bug 773195, can someone check if correct?
[13:41] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 773195 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "crashes in gnome3 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773195
[14:06] <hggdh> txomon: unfortunately it does not help much... instead of opening manually, please always use 'ubuntu-bug' -- in your case, 'ubuntu-bug gnome-power-manager'
[14:08] <hggdh> txomon: right now you can try 'apport-collect 773195' to add the missing data
[14:09] <pedro_> a valgrind log would be useful too
[14:09] <pedro_> moi moi hggdh
[14:09] <hggdh> buen moi pedro_ :-)
[14:10] <penguin42> are we collecting Gnome 3 bugs?
[14:10] <hggdh> penguin42: good question... I am so tired I did not even see it was G3. But, if we publish, I guess we accept
[14:11] <hggdh> pedro_: do you know ^
[14:11] <hggdh> ?
[14:11] <penguin42> hggdh: But the only G3 is a ppa isn't it?
[14:11] <penguin42> (Don't get me wrong - I'd like to get G3 debugged)
[14:11] <yofel> iirc we accept them, but they need to be tagged gnome3
[14:11] <pedro_> there's a ppa with gnome3 so yeah, we can forward those later to the upstream folks
[14:12] <pedro_> i'm sure they are going to appreciate having more feedback (bugs) on that
[14:12] <hggdh> yes, now I remember, micahg even added a tag for it
[14:12] <yofel> although I don't find the PPA packages too useful for debugging. A) there's no apport hook B) many packages don't even have debug symbols so are useless for debugging
[14:13] <hggdh> pfui. That really does not thelp
[14:16] <ali1234> is there a metabug for all programs that look bad with a forced resize gripper?
[14:17] <yofel> ali1234: you mean that gtk grip in the bottom right corner ?
[14:18] <yofel> ali1234: bug 704105
[14:18] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 704105 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "Resize grip always appears in bottom right of GTK+2.0 windows (affects: 17) (dups: 3) (heat: 142)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704105
[14:18] <ali1234> yes
[14:18] <ali1234> lol, bad title
[14:18] <ali1234> it's not a bug, someone specifically went to the trouble of backporting it from gtk3
[14:19] <yofel> well, I DO count it as a bug, as it's totally useless in KDE
[14:19] <ali1234> but it doesn't affect kde applications
[14:19] <ali1234> i consider it a bug too
[14:19] <ali1234> vanilla gtk2+ does not have this patch
[14:20] <yofel> no, but it hides the slider in firefox for example using oxygen-gtk
[14:20] <yofel> which looks bad
[14:20] <ali1234> it's useless if you use any theme but light-themes
[14:20] <ali1234> because all the other themes have window borders
[14:20] <yofel> plus it makes the 'down' button of the slider unclickable
[14:22] <ali1234> the annoying thing is they are saying every app that doesn't want this has to be patched separately
[14:22] <charlie-tca> I like the way it shows up in things like launchpad bugs, when you are changing status/importance and commenting
[14:22] <ali1234> so what am i supposed to do?
[14:22] <ali1234> set this bug as "affecting" every package that has a resize gripper?
[14:22] <charlie-tca> You have to add each package to the bug
[14:22] <ali1234> i'm happy to do that
[14:22] <charlie-tca> not every package, no
[14:23] <ali1234> but there is probably several hundred
[14:23] <charlie-tca> only packages it does not belong in, or interferes with use
[14:23] <ali1234> like i said, several hundred
[14:23] <ali1234> the list of packages where it works properly is a shorter list
[14:24] <charlie-tca> Alternative would be a new bug for each one, then dup them to the master
[14:25] <ali1234> also since this whole problem is caused by an ubuntu specific there is zero chance of upstream ever "fixing" it
[14:25] <charlie-tca> It is not caused by ubuntu, it is caused by gtk
[14:25] <ali1234> it is caused by a patch to gtk which is only present in ubuntu
[14:26] <charlie-tca> but if they do not get in the way of use, they won't be fixed
[14:26] <yofel> but it does get in the way of use...
[14:26] <charlie-tca> sometimes, yes. Gedit has it, but it does not get in the way
[14:26] <seb128> the said patch is in gtk3
[14:27] <seb128> so it will be an issue for softwares when they switch to gtk3 this cycle
[14:27] <seb128> softwares should be fixed when they are buggy
[14:27] <yofel> seb128: then why does it show up in firefox?
[14:27] <ali1234> the patch which causes the problem is the one in gtk2
[14:27] <ali1234> the one that canonical backported
[14:27] <seb128> right, well better to fix applications
[14:27] <seb128> they will have that issue when they start using gtk3 which has the same patch than the one ubuntu backported to gtk2
[14:28] <seb128> the way forward is to fix buggy cases not to rollback the patch which is useful
[14:28] <ali1234> how can the applications be fixed when the call which is needed to disable the gripper doesn't even exist in vanilla gtk2?
[14:28] <seb128> yofel, it's a firefox bug I guess
[14:28] <yofel> seb128: well, it's caused by firefox not having the status bar at the bottom anymore
[14:28] <seb128> it does in the ubuntu gtk2 version and softwares are distribued in the ubuntu archive and can be patched
[14:28] <yofel> try to click that down arror here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/slider.png
[14:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^ can you confirm that's an issue?
[14:29] <yofel> s/arror/arrow/
[14:29] <seb128> yofel, I can't confirm that issue on natty
[14:29] <ali1234> i have exactly the same problem in firefox
[14:29] <yofel> seb128: this is kubuntu
[14:29] <seb128> well then there is a kubuntu interaction bug that needs to be fixed
[14:30] <seb128> in works fine on unity or classic GNOME
[14:30] <seb128> in -> it
[14:30] <ali1234> no it doesn't
[14:30] <ali1234> i am using unity on natty, identical problem
[14:30] <seb128> that's a very useful discussion
[14:30] <yofel> seb128: then why did this work fine in kubuntu before the patch was applied?
[14:30] <seb128> well "works here" and "nobody complain about it during the week of testing"
[14:31] <ali1234> i've been complaining about it since... oh 6 months ago?
[14:31] <ali1234> all i got was "it'll be better when it is released"
[14:31] <seb128> talk to chrisccoulson
[14:31] <yofel> seb128: I see several people complaining on the bug
[14:31] <seb128> he's maintaining firefox
[14:31] <seb128> is that a pure cosmetic thing?
[14:31] <seb128> or is that actually breaking anything?
[14:31] <ali1234> no, i cannot click on the scroll bar arrow it obscures
[14:32] <yofel> considering that I can't click the slider down button I don't count this as cosmetic
[14:32] <tdn> After installing Ubuntu 11.04 and enabling the restricted Broadcom STA wifi driver, the wifi network stops working after a while. How do I fix this?
[14:32] <yofel> sure, I can just use the slider, but it still breaks something
[14:32] <seb128> right, seems a small bug
[14:32] <seb128> in firefox
[14:33] <seb128> well I can still click the button but it's less easy to catch due to it
[14:33] <ali1234> well i'm going to set that bug as affecting firefox, pidgin, and anything else where the grip obscures the UI
[14:33] <yofel> hm, true, if I catch it I can click on that small visible corner
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> i already know about the firefox issue
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> and please do not assign a bug to multiple packages
[14:34] <chrisccoulson> i'll just remove the firefox task else. i get enough bug spam already
[14:34] <ali1234> ok, in that case i will open bugs for every single package instead :)
[14:34] <seb128> there is a bug for pidgin iirc but that one is purely cosmetic
[14:34] <ali1234> gimp?
[14:34] <seb128> check for open bugs, most are probably known
[14:34] <chrisccoulson> and there is already a bug for firefox
[14:35] <ali1234> it would be useful if there was a way to find them. are you tagging them "gripper" or something?
[14:35] <seb128> it's a small annoyance in some softwares but it's a real win compared to trying to get the 1 pixel corner which was an issue before adding those
[14:35] <penguin42> ali1234: I'm curious - where? The grip doesn't seem to be a problem for me on pidgin here
[14:35] <seb128> penguin42, you can see it a bit over the buddy image
[14:36] <ali1234> and also on the conversation windows
[14:36] <penguin42> seb128: Yeh but only when I hover to scroll
[14:36] <seb128> well in any case those handle have been added because they solved a real usability issue
[14:37] <seb128> so dropping it is not the way
[14:37] <penguin42> it seems the whole idea is to reduce the horizontal impact of the scrollbar most of the time by something that only appears when in use
[14:37] <ali1234> a usability that was introduced by another ubuntu customization
[14:37] <ali1234> +issue
[14:38] <yofel> I think what people are annoyed about is that the patch was added to fix an issue in one theme, and is force-applied to any gtk theme out there, even if there's absolutely no need for it
[14:40] <seb128> ali1234, the patch has been added upstream in gtk3
[14:40] <ali1234> but not gtk2
[14:40] <ali1234> and all the programs that have a problem use gtk2
[14:40] <seb128> it just got backported to ubuntu gtk2 because ubuntu didn't switch to gtk3 in natty
[14:41] <charlie-tca> ali1234: I did not intend to give you bad information. Apparently, a new bug is needed for each one.
[14:41] <charlie-tca> thanks, seb128
[14:41] <seb128> yw
[14:42] <seb128> well it's interesting to see that users do click on that small scrollbars arrow icon rather than using mouse scrolling or just scrolling on the scrollbar which does the same basically but is easier to catch
[14:42] <ali1234> i'm more annoyed about the cosmetic bugs
[14:42] <seb128> yofel, well, ubuntu focus on a solid experience for its default desktop rather than mixed experience for each desktop because comprises needs to be done
[14:43] <ali1234> light-themes was supposed to make it look better
[14:44] <ali1234> a few applications where it overlaps the UI: http://imagebin.org/150784
[14:45] <penguin42> ali1234: Oh - that square at the bottom - yeh I'd noticed that - what is that?
[14:45] <ali1234> um... it's the resize grip?
[14:45] <penguin42> ali1234: Apologies - before I thought you were referring to the scrollbar grips
[14:45] <seb128> well not sure why that's happening for you but it's not happening on a default installation
[14:46] <ali1234> this *is* a default installation
[14:46] <seb128> like the appearance dialog and pidgin conversation dialogs don't have ui cutting
[14:46] <seb128> well it's not happening to everybody
[14:46] <seb128> not sure what is different in yours
[14:46] <ali1234> all you have to do to reproduce that is switch to any theme that isn't light-themes
[14:46] <seb128> well then it's not the default installation ;-)
[14:46] <ali1234> and then switch back to light-themes
[14:47] <ali1234> i have no idea why i also have human window borders and light widgets
[14:47] <penguin42> ali1234: On pidgin for me it's much cleaner - it's just across the corner, it doesn't have a the square effect -it almost looks for you like it's not masking properly
[14:48] <seb128> right, I don't get the square either here
[14:48] <seb128> or in the appareance capplet it doesn't go over the button
[14:48] <ali1234> try changing theme to clearlooks and then back to ambiance
[14:48] <ali1234> (note that clearlooks is present in a default install)
[14:48] <seb128> it's just after changing theme for the current session?
[14:48] <seb128> or does it persist after restarts?
[14:49] <ali1234> no idea i haven't restarted since i installed unity a week ago
[14:49] <ali1234> it's been "fun"
[14:49] <seb128> seems like a bug, but if that's for one session that seems minor rather
[14:49] <seb128> well open a bug against gtk in launchpad
[14:49] <ali1234> if it was only drawing a triangle instead of a square it would not make much difference to me
[14:50] <ali1234> i will test if it persists after restart
[14:50] <ali1234> seems that it does not
[14:59] <ali1234> hmm so what's a package that uses gtk3 that i can test against?
[15:03] <ali1234> this seems to be the collection point for the grip bugs if anyone is interested: https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+milestone/nt9-grippy
[15:22] <txomon> hggdh, did it
[15:23] <somethinginteres> hi all, I noticed when installing 11.04 on my netbook (wubi) that the install screen was too big for the monitor and the progress bar was not visible. How do I report this problem?
[15:25] <penguin42> somethinginteres: From the installed system run ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[15:25] <penguin42> oh actually hang on
[15:25] <penguin42> I'm not sure what the installer package is for wubi?
[15:26] <somethinginteres> I don't think this is a Wubi specific problem the install proccess semmed identical to the normal one. Wubi just "launched" into that after doing its job as it were
[15:26] <jibel> somethinginteres, it's reported in bug 727905, you can add a comment there.
[15:26] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 727905 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installer windows are sometimes too tall for small wide-screen devices (netbooks) (affects: 4) (dups: 2) (heat: 92)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727905
[15:27] <somethinginteres> ah, thank you both penguin42 and jibel
[15:28] <jibel> somethinginteres, some users are reporting that it is fixed for them, since you still have this problem add the necessary information that could make a difference, like your screen resolution and language used during the installation.
[15:30] <somethinginteres> jibel: yes, I will find that out. I wonder if those reporting it fixed used the final release ISO sans any updates?
[15:36] <jibel> somethinginteres, from the date of the comments I'd say no, the last comment is 1 month ago. You can also add a screenshot/picture of your screen, this helps to determine what takes too much space.
[15:38] <somethinginteres> jibel: hmm wouldn't that involve a reinstall?
[15:42] <jibel> somethinginteres, yes it would.
[15:42] <bdmurray> jibel: I reported bug 772913 after our discussion yesterday
[15:42] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 772913 in update-manager (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "apport not turned on for distribution upgrades (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772913
[15:43] <jibel> bdmurray, yes, seen it. Thanks for investigating and finding out what is wrong.
[15:44] <mvo> bdmurray: I uploaded it now, its waiting in the unapproved queue
[15:44] <bdmurray> mvo: thanks
[15:45] <mvo> thanks YOU
[15:45] <bdmurray> jibel: I'd still like to improve the bug reporting situation before the dist upgrade starts running though
[15:50] <txomon> hggdh, Is now complete?
[15:57] <jibel> txomon, it's better but still incomplete. As pedro_ suggested could you please attach a valgrind log https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valgrind
[15:59] <txomon> jibel, sry I didn't see that line
[15:59] <jibel> txomon, np
[16:04] <txomon> jibel, now, gnome-power-manager works (if using valgrind to launch it)
[16:20] <jibel> txomon, without this trace it will be hard to guess what's wrong
[16:55] <txomon> jibel, I attached the log file, but just wanted to point on that detail
[16:58] <jibel> txomon, Great! thanks.
[17:50] <penguin42> bug 728840 is making a running for the record on number of dupes
[17:50] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 728840 in samba4 (Ubuntu) "upgradeprovision crashed with LdbError in connect(): (80, 'Failed to load modules from: /usr/lib/samba/ldb\n') (affects: 98) (dups: 130) (heat: 990)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728840
[17:52] <bdmurray> well it'd be helpful if a bug pattern were written for it then
[17:53] <penguin42> how do bug patterns work?
[17:54]  * penguin42 is no samba expert - but there seem to be a whole bunch of samba4 package install failures that match the description on that one coming in
[17:54] <bdmurray> you write an xml file with criteria regarding the bug (package, version?, traceback) and apport checks for those before filing the bug so the reporter gets redirected to that master bug number
[17:57] <penguin42> is it normal for someone knowledgeable about that package to do it?
[17:57] <bdmurray> its doesn't really need to be someone with specific knownledge about the package
[17:58] <penguin42> ok, is there some mechanism to test the rule - i.e. something you give it a bug number and the rule and it tells you if it would fire?
[17:58] <yofel> yes, in the patterns branch
[17:58] <bdmurray> yes you can test it with the bug number and actually search all bugs about the package for duplicates
[17:58] <bdmurray> I'm writing one now fwiw
[17:58] <yofel> lp:~ubuntu-bugcontrol/apport/ubuntu-bugpatterns
[17:59] <yofel> ah k
[17:59] <bdmurray> however I am sure there are more tagged bugpattern-needed
[18:01] <yofel> true, quite a few https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=bugpattern-needed
[18:52] <penguin42> so my gnome3 bug was just closed with a 'the ppa versions are not officially supported'
[18:54] <yofel> micahg: we don't want those bugs anymore?
[18:54] <micahg> penguin42: bug #?
[18:54] <penguin42> bug 773464
[18:54] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 773464 in gdm (Ubuntu) "Gnome3: GDM doesn't set any locale/lang variables (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773464
[18:55] <micahg> seb128: ^^ this seems like a system integration bug
[18:56]  * penguin42 isn't 100% sure where the problem is - I mean gdm seems to no longer have a chooser for the language, so I can see why it doesn't set it, but I would have thought that the language would be defined by the interface that a display manager should set
[18:57] <seb128> penguin42, GNOME3 is in a ppa an supported in no official way
[18:57] <seb128> micahg, GNOME decided to drop the keyboard and locale selectors from gdm in GNOME3
[18:58] <seb128> not sure what we intend to do next cycle but not likely get gdm3 the way it is
[18:58] <seb128> but in any case it's not an Ubuntu bug
[18:58] <penguin42> seb128: I'd assumed that, but the discussion at: 2:11pm (i.e. nearly 5 hours ago) was seeming we were accepting the bugs
[18:59] <seb128> didn't read that one and I closed IRC since
[18:59] <seb128> but we don't
[18:59] <seb128> whoever told you that mislead you
[18:59] <penguin42> ok, it would seem useful to collect them somewhere though
[19:00] <seb128> there is a mailing list for the gnome3-team on launchpad, send an email there
[19:00] <seb128> that's how they tracked the ppa issues
[19:00] <penguin42> ok
[19:00] <micahg> seb128: I was originally told that system integration issues could be tracked in LP
[19:00] <micahg> we created a tag for this purposee
[19:01] <seb128> that's not a system integration, it's a GNOME3 decision to drop the keyboard and locale selectors
[19:01] <micahg> seb128: ok, but in general, we're still collecting packaging, system integration issues in bugs?
[19:01] <seb128> yes, packaging issues are interesting
[19:02] <seb128> but we can't do a lot about features GNOME decided to drop in GNOME3
[19:02] <seb128> or at least having bugs about those is of no real use
[19:02] <micahg> seb128: ok, no problem, thanks
[19:03] <seb128> yw
[19:03] <penguin42> they do seem to have dropped some things that I miss
[19:06] <seb128> penguin42, there is a reason we didn't go for it this cycle ;-)
[19:06] <micahg> penguin42: maybe it would be proactive to discuss this issue with the kubuntu devs to see if there's anything they want to do
[19:06] <penguin42> micahg: Well except I assume it would break other sessions as well
[19:07] <micahg> penguin42: well, so everyone will have to adjust
[19:07] <penguin42> seb128: I might be the one person who prefers unity to gnome3 (although tbh I'd still have gnome 2 over either)
[19:08] <penguin42> micahg: It seems wrong to force everyone else to change because of one decision
[19:08] <seb128> penguin42, you are probably not the only one, I guess each desktop will have users liking it over the other ones
[19:08] <penguin42> seb128: It's the workspaces that I miss - I'm a long term user of a 3x3 workspace setup
[19:08] <seb128> penguin42, but we will review GNOME3 and such issues at UDS so maybe wait a bit
[19:08] <seb128> hum, go to go
[19:09] <seb128> bye
[19:09] <micahg> penguin42: there are other options besides gdm (kdm, xdm, lightdm)
[19:09] <penguin42> micahg: Yeh, but I'd expect that you should be able to use any dm with any session
[19:10] <charlie-tca> doesn't work as far as I know, though
[19:10] <micahg> penguin42: well, that's up to each piece of software to want to play nice with the others
[19:11] <penguin42> micahg: Well, I'd assume it was upto someone to define the interface between dm and session
[19:11] <micahg> penguin42: sounds like there should be a freedesktop.org standard :)
[19:12] <penguin42> micahg: Indeed
[19:16] <Bourne> what is the status for this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/linux/+bug/730972/+activity
[19:16] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 730972 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "IdeaPad U160 Broadcom wifi not connecting (affects: 9) (heat: 48)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:56] <BUGabundo> deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt oneiric main restricted universe multiverse
[19:56] <BUGabundo> there we go
[19:56] <BUGabundo> who is coming with me?
[19:56] <charlie-tca> heh
[19:57] <charlie-tca> a little too early for me. I can't do it until after UDS
[19:57] <BUGabundo> why charlie-tca?
[19:57] <penguin42> BUGabundo: But we haven't even got a +1 yet!
[19:57] <BUGabundo> now we can
[19:58] <charlie-tca> Things get too hectic for me
[19:58] <BUGabundo> now we have user(s) running +1 again :D
[19:58] <hggdh> BUGabundo: I am amazed by your courage ;-)
[19:58]  * yofel only created a oneiric pbuilder so far
[19:58] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: lIES
[19:58] <BUGabundo> hggdh: why? I've been doing this since 5.x
[19:58] <yofel> I'll stick to natty for some kubuntu-ppa and SRU testing I think
[19:58]  * charlie-tca is just plain scared to do it ?
[19:58] <BUGabundo> *8c
[19:58]  * penguin42 waits for his ppa to wake up
[19:58] <BUGabundo> grrr
[19:58] <BUGabundo> **8.10
[19:59]  * yofel didn't see anything scary uploaded to oneiric so far though
[19:59] <BUGabundo> right now we have in oneiric just about the same as natty plus proposed
[19:59] <BUGabundo> if not even older
[19:59] <micahg> BUGabundo: new toolchain
[19:59] <BUGabundo> so?
[19:59] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Oh new toolchains add so many ways to break things :-)
[20:00]  * charlie-tca prefers to let BUGabundo lead the way
[20:00] <BUGabundo> :D
[20:00] <BUGabundo> we wait for you guys in +1
[20:01] <charlie-tca> I will see you there in a couple of weeks
[20:01] <BUGabundo> hope it opens soon D:
[20:01] <BUGabundo> now I need to test *every* PPA
[20:01] <BUGabundo> to see the ones still valid
[20:02]  * yofel goes back to trying natty with compressed btrfs
[20:02] <BUGabundo> $ grep ppa /etc/apt/sources.list | wc -l 27
[20:02] <BUGabundo> anyone with *very* slow systems why running APT?
[20:02] <BUGabundo> specially on SSD / BTRFS?
[20:03] <Pici> BUGabundo: archive.u.c and ppa.lp.net are both overloaded right now, related?
[20:03] <BUGabundo> Pici: naaaa, I'm using mirrors
[20:03] <BUGabundo> but I mean for the last month or so
[20:03] <arand> BUGabundo: I've heard about btrfs issues with apt..
[20:03] <yofel> overloaded is an understatement...
[20:03] <BUGabundo> E: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu/pool/main/t/telepathy-mission-control-5/telepathy-mission-control-5_5.7.9-1_amd64.deb: 404  Not Found
[20:03] <BUGabundo> oh well
[20:03] <BUGabundo> not synced yet
[20:04] <BUGabundo> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
[20:04] <BUGabundo>       Remove the following packages:
[20:04] <BUGabundo> 1)      ubuntu-desktop
[20:04] <BUGabundo> 2)      xorg
[20:04] <BUGabundo> great broken left overs
[20:04] <BUGabundo> EEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[20:04] <arand> BUGabundo: One workaround was using "eatmydata" to disable some safety feature ;)
[20:04] <BUGabundo> arand: barricades ?
[20:05] <BUGabundo> since 10.04 brough those, my system is SLOWWWW
[20:05] <BUGabundo> I should disable it
[20:05] <arand> BUGabundo: Or sync-something, I don't remember the name.
[20:05] <BUGabundo> but using btrfs and SSD the risk is to high
[20:06] <penguin42> yeh I think it's doing a sync or partial sync after each package to recover better with ext4
[20:06] <yofel> you can disable the sync() calls by adding force-unsafe-io to dpkg
[20:08] <wad> Is this where I would come to report a bug?
[20:08] <BUGabundo> wad: that would be launchpad
[20:09] <yofel> !bugs
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[20:09] <wad> ah
[20:09] <wad> thanks!
[20:22] <wad> So I'm planning on reporting a bug around dual-monitor configuration where one monitor is positioned above another. What package does this pertain to?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600936/
[20:31] <BUGabundo> that's what my X looks like
[20:31] <BUGabundo> scary
[20:32] <yofel> hm... natty on compressed btrfs on an SDHC card on my eeePC is actually quite usable :)
[20:35] <jibel> BUGabundo, why do you need X, real man running oneiric doesn't need it ;-)
[20:35] <BUGabundo> :D
[20:46] <RedSingularity> jibel: Does the issue in this bug really belong to update-manager you think?  Or is there a better suited package to assign...?  bug 771032
[20:46] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 771032 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "overlapped progress bar and column label in update manager dialog (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771032
[20:49] <jibel> RedSingularity, it looks like a problem with the theme or the rendering engine.
[20:49] <RedSingularity> jibel: you think metacity?
[20:49] <jibel> no
[20:49]  * jibel looking
[20:51] <jibel> RedSingularity, gtk2-engines
[20:53] <RedSingularity> jibel: ah alright.  I have seen these types of bugs a few times but never knew exactly the culprit.  Thanks ;)
[20:53] <jibel> RedSingularity, yw
[21:36] <penguin42> hmph my PPA doesn't seem to be getting anywhere
[23:29] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda5              58G   51G  2.1G  97% /
[23:29] <BUGabundo> no wonder SSD is slow :\
[23:49] <arand> BUGabundo: You using natty on metal btw? I snapshotted and pulled the trigger on a kvm at least ;)
[23:49] <arand> *oneiric
[23:50] <BUGabundo> ohhh I forgot to make a snapshot
[23:50] <BUGabundo> DOH
[23:50] <BUGabundo> oh well
[23:50] <BUGabundo> risk it or leave it
[23:51] <BUGabundo> plus I just sdgear643y5n45u4 my entire X tree
[23:51] <BUGabundo> so if you don't see me in here tomorrow :P
[23:51] <arand> BUGabundo: What on earth are you on btrfs for! :þ
[23:53] <penguin42> arand: Masochism
[23:53] <yofel> hm, btrfs does work, I tried it today (and learned what people meant by saying that dpkg is slow on btrfs *shudder*)
[23:54] <arand> Well, I should already know that..
[23:57] <BUGabundo> yofel: :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
[23:57] <yofel> agreed