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TheMusoRAOF: Are you aware that pygtk has an ubuntu desktop packaging branch, which you should have access to?03:06
RAOFTheMuso: No :)03:07
RAOFWell, I am now.03:07
TheMusono problem, I'll put it in the branch for now, but just a heads up for next time.03:07
TheMusoActually...03:07
TheMusoLet me see if there is a branch for natty03:08
TheMusoi.e a branch for updates...03:08
RAOFMmmm.03:08
TheMusoSeems not.03:09
TheMusoLet me see if there is a convention elsewhere for other packages re stable release branches.03:09
TheMusoHrm ok seems not. Thats disappointing.03:11
RAOFThis is one of the cases where git's colocated branch model is quite nice.03:13
TheMusoYep.03:15
TheMusoI agree.03:15
TheMusoAnyway, running a test build, and will upload if all is well.03:15
RAOFTa.03:15
TheMusoRAOF: uploaded.03:37
RAOFTa muchly.03:37
TheMusonp03:38
shintahi, anyone knows a way to activate the wobbly windows on unity without making the interface crash?04:38
RAOFThat did'nt get fixed for release?  Bah!04:39
shintano, i acctivate theh effect and the upper panel crashed x.x04:39
RAOFAnd then came back, right?04:39
shintayes, but some pieces where missing04:39
RAOFWell, wobbly windows should remain enabled, so that'll only happen once :(04:42
shintaok, i will give it a try04:43
shintait worked o.o... well, thanks for the help ^^04:44
didrocksgood morning07:00
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mdkewould anyone do me a massive favour by walking me through how to update and build a simple gnome module with the latest upstream release? I need yelp-xsl 3.0.1 to build the Ubuntu documentation for help.ubuntu.com, and only 3.0.0 is in the archive08:08
pittiGood morning08:08
mdkemorning pitti :)08:09
mdkecongrats on the release08:09
pittihey mdke, good morning08:09
pittimdke: congrats to you, too!08:09
mdkecongrats all round08:10
SweetsharkGood morning and happy royal wedding day to all british subjects!08:12
pittiSweetshark: oh, it's today?08:12
mdkeyay for a free public holiday08:12
pittithe couple won't talk about anything else than the shiny new Untity all day anyway!08:13
mdkethe streets will be deserted with everyone trying Ubuntu 11.0408:14
mdkeall those police for nothing08:15
Sweetsharkpitti: I have packaged a lo-menubar version fixing bug 754562 as lo-menubar_0.1.1~pre1-0ubuntu1. Ok to upload that to https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa for testing?08:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 754562 in lo-menubar "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_lookup()" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75456208:15
mdkeok, have figured it out - that is amazingly straightforward08:20
mdkeupdate changelog + bzr-buildpackage08:21
pittiSweetshark: you don't need my ack for uploading to a PPA :)08:21
Sweetsharkpitti: well, yeah. It just that I am hijacking the release fom the DX team (or lo-menubar rockstars)08:22
didrocksgood morning pitti, Sweetshark08:28
pittibonjour didrocks08:31
seb128hey didrocks pitti08:34
didrockssalut seb12808:34
seb128hum, pitti's uploads to oneiric?08:36
seb128is it open yet? ;-)08:36
pittiseb128: frozen, but you can upload08:37
seb128why frozen?08:37
seb128great my versions update worked, I could test it yesterday since there was no oneiric apt index on the archive yet08:38
seb128(if you wonder why the list is small it's because there is no oneiric germinate yet08:39
seb128so most of the content is hidden since it shows mostly the germinate list by default08:39
pittiseb128: toolchain is still being prepared08:41
seb128how come you got updates in? ;-)08:41
seb128but ok, I've some syncs to do but I guess I will wait to not hijack the freeze08:41
pittiseb128: I have no idea who accepted them08:42
dpmgood morning didrocks, I've got a couple of unity questions for you if you're around :)08:43
didrocksdpm: sure!08:44
didrocksgood morning ;)08:44
pittihey dpm08:44
dpm:)08:44
dpmhey pitti, morning08:44
seb128hey dpm08:45
didrocksoh adding oneiric-changes to ML subcription, nice idea!08:45
seb128dpm, you can ask on the channel even if didrocks is not there btw, others can probably reply as well08:45
dpmhey seb128, good morning! - I'll do that then, I just felt like pinging didrocks in case he was still sleeping :)08:47
didrocksit's already more than 2 hours that I'm connected :)08:48
seb128I guess now is fine, but at some moment of the cycle people feel highlight stress on IRC because they keep being pinged, people should just ask on the channels ;-)08:48
seb128and let whoever has time reply08:48
seb128anyway, you had questions? ;-)08:48
dpmsorry, yeah, it was now me who got pinged in PM :)08:49
dpmso the first question is that I've got a laptop which at some point in the cycle got the Applications, Places and System menus folded into the Ubuntu icon at the top left hand side in the gnome panel (classic session) - how can I reset it so that it has the 3 Applications, Places, System menus visible again?08:51
didrocksdpm:  gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/pane08:51
didrocksurgh08:51
didrocksdpm:  gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel08:51
dpmcool, thanks :)08:51
didrocksthat will reset all your panel configuration :)08:51
seb128or you can remove the applet and add the menubar one08:51
seb128if you don't want to reset your whole layout08:52
dpmoh, I'm fine with resetting08:52
dpmthen the next one is that due to a bug I cannot run Unity on that laptop with nvidia, but I got to run it with nouveau fine. I had been using it ok until today when I upgraded a bunch of packages (I hadn't kept it up to date since a week ago or so). Now I get the dialog that tells me that unity cannot be run on that system, so it falls back to classic. I'm not sure what's going on, as it had been running unity fine for a while - is there a way to over08:54
dpmride that check, or what would you suggest?08:54
didrocksdpm: geforce 7300/7400?08:55
Sweetsharkhmmm, I am having a strange Ubuntu only issue: "LANGUAGE=C LC_ALL=C gcc -print-file-name=libgcc_s.so.1" according to the man-page should print a full path, but does not. And it seems to be a ubuntu only issue.08:55
dpmdidrocks, huh, I think so, let me check...08:55
didrocksdpm: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p08:55
didrocksif it's 7300/7400, it will tell you it's blacklisted08:56
dpmdidrocks, yeah, it's 730008:56
didrocks(Not in backlist: no)08:56
RAOFBut only on nvidia-current, right?08:56
didrocksRAOF: no, blacklist is by pcid08:56
RAOFOh.  Ah.08:57
dpmwhat's up with that card, though, why is it blacklisted?08:57
didrocksdpm: I've written about that on askubuntu yesterday, one sec08:57
didrocksdpm: freeze at startup with nvidia-current08:57
didrocksRAOF: I confirm that some people confirms it works fine with 17308:57
didrocksRAOF: so, it's a 270 issue08:57
didrocksdpm: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37629/geforce-go-7300-7400-blacklisted-can-i-still-run-unity08:58
dpmdidrocks, oh, that was the bug I've had throughout the cycle with nvidia-current!08:58
didrocksdpm: yeah, hence the blacklist road right now :/08:58
* RAOF thinks the blacklist should be on the (pciid, driver) pair.08:58
didrocksRAOF: yeah, but it was too late :/08:59
didrocksRAOF: so, it will be sweet that we know what happens with that driver for that card08:59
didrocksRAOF: and why the old driver still works…08:59
didrocksdpm: will you bring it at UDS?08:59
dpmdidrocks, for reference, it was bug 726496 - I was not planning to do so, but if that helps debugging, I'll be glad to bring it09:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 726496 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "Cannot use Unity or Classic desktop with effects after the latest nvidia+xorg update" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72649609:00
didrocksdpm: I added the link09:01
didrocksRAOF: will that help if dpm brings it at UDS? or should you just start discussing with nvidia about it?09:02
dpmdidrocks, where did you add the link to?09:04
didrocksto the bug report09:04
didrocksRAOF: so, it will be sweet that we know what happens with that driver for that card09:04
didrocksRAOF: and why the old driver still works…09:04
didrocksRAOF: will that help if dpm brings it at UDS? or should you just start discussing with nvidia about it?09:04
rodrigo_morning09:05
didrockshey rodrigo_09:06
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone09:12
rodrigo_hi didrocks, chrisccoulson09:13
didrockshey chrisccoulson ;)09:13
seb128hey rodrigo_ chrisccoulson09:13
rodrigo_hi seb12809:13
chrisccoulsonhi rodrigo_, didrocks, seb12809:15
chrisccoulsonhow are you today?09:15
didrocksI'm fine thanks, you?09:15
seb128I'm fine as well09:15
seb128isn't today the day where you are supposed to sit in the garden drinken beer and watching the weeding on TV? ;-)09:16
didrocksseb128: and Monday is off for them too!09:17
seb128right09:17
didrocksthen, they are laughing about french holidays…09:18
pittihey chrisccoulson, happy holiday!09:18
chrisccoulsonhi pitti! thanks ;)09:18
didrocksI know what to answer now :p09:18
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, i'm meant to be sitting in the garden drinking beer, but i think i'll give the wedding a miss ;)09:19
seb128;-)09:19
chrisccoulsonthe weather is pretty miserable today though, so, no garden :(09:19
chrisccoulsoni guess i'll just have to sit inside with my fingers in my ears ;)09:19
seb128ok so back in sitting in the couch to drink beer?09:19
chrisccoulsonlol09:19
seb128well, as long as there is beer drinking :p09:19
* pitti looks at the bright sun and blue sky outside and commiserates the English weaher09:20
pittiweather, too09:20
glatzorhello pitti, I started porting aptdaemon client to gdbus. But I don't understand how I can access the properties09:26
glatzorof the gdbusproxy09:27
pittiglatzor: is that any different from dbus-glib?09:27
pittii. e. you call Get() on the org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties interface?09:27
glatzordo I need a second proxy for the properties interface?09:28
pittiyes09:28
glatzorah ok.09:28
pittidid python-dbus have some extra magic for this?09:28
pittiit doesn't sound too hard to write an override for this, so that myproxy.myproperty will work09:28
pittibut gdbus itself doesn't have a magic API for tihs09:29
glatzorno. gdbus already provides g-properties-changed and cached properties. So it felt natuarlly to access the properties of the object from the same gdbusproxy instance09:30
pittiglatzor: ah, I haven't used/seen that yet; perhaps you can file a pygobject gnome bug about it, and I might have a go at it in the train ride to Budapest :)09:33
rodrigo_oh, so the British get a day off because of the wedding? much better than here, we paid the prince's wedding, but it was on a Saturday, so no holiday and, worst, we weren't invited, even though we paid it!!09:48
seb128the right way to do it is to cut some heads09:52
seb128that's what we did there! ;-)09:53
rodrigo_yeah, we should learn from the French indeed :)09:53
rodrigo_having a king is such an obsolete thing indeed09:53
rodrigo_king or queen :)09:53
Sweetsharkrodrigo_: unless you are king yourself of course ...10:02
seb128pitti, bug #747796 is puzzling10:04
ubot2Launchpad bug 747796 in pygobject "gnome-language-selector crashes after a fresh install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74779610:04
seb128pitti, it seems somewhat due to translations10:04
seb128there is another user who confirm the issue and say "The problem appears to be the letter uppercase dotted "I", which is a Turkish only character."10:06
seb128I still don't get why it would make the chars be changed...10:06
seb128dpm, ^ does that one makes sense to you?10:08
dpmseb128, not really, no :( I don't understand why the Turkish i translations can change the code10:15
dpmalso, unrelated, but I'm getting this with g-l-s: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/600622/10:16
seb128hum, I start hatting those UnicodeDecodeError10:17
seb128what is wrong with python and encoding?10:17
pittiseb128: yeah, this is totally dubious to me10:17
didrocksseb128: it's not utf8 by default in python210:17
pittiseb128: an uppercase ASCII 'I' should remain an 'I' in any locale10:18
seb128pitti, well, we got 2 users having the issue now, I was leaning toward a local corruption before the other user comments10:18
pittiseb128: I'll see to reproducing this locally and investigate, I guess somewhere in the code or overrides is an extra char conversion10:18
pittibut not today10:18
pittiI haven't actually tested a Turkish locale yet10:18
seb128didrocks, well encoding changed in 2.710:19
seb128didrocks, we didn't have those issues with 2.610:19
didrocksoh really? didn't follow that10:20
didrocksjust still .encode() manually for most part when interacting with 3rd part, like launchpadlib here :(10:20
chrisccoulsonpitti - i hit a confusing issue with my language packs last night (they didn't work at all) :(10:27
chrisccoulsonit seems that some translations are incomplete, and in that case, the firefox build system can merge in en-US translations, but it wouldn't let me do that10:28
chrisccoulsonand then i realised i needed http://hg.mozilla.org/build/compare-locales/ installed to make it work :)10:28
chrisccoulsoni've got no idea why that isn't part of the build system though....10:28
chrisccoulsonso now i have working translations using xpi's i created myself :)10:29
chrisccoulsonand they look identical to the upstream xpi's, which must be a good sign :)10:30
chrisccoulsondpm - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox.translation-branch/revision/809 ;)10:32
pittiseb128, chrisccoulson: BTW, I won't be around much today, I need to prep my moving tomorrow10:39
pittichrisccoulson: awesome!10:39
chrisccoulsonouch, the firefox tarball grew by 40MB11:47
chrisccoulsonoh, still not quite as big as chromium then ;)11:50
chrisccoulsonoh, i can ditch all the hunspell dictionaries. that's quite a space saving there11:58
rodrigo_ugh, no space left on my laptop's HD12:04
rodrigo_I indeed have to many source code checkouts (+ build files) here12:05
* rodrigo_ cleans12:05
chrisccoulsonrodrigo_, that keeps happening to me too12:09
rodrigo_yeah12:10
chrisccoulsona built firefox source tree is 2GB though ;)12:11
chrisccoulsonthey take up a fair bit of space12:11
rodrigo_also, the build-area dirs from using bzr bd seem to take a lot of space also12:12
rodrigo_is there a way to tell it to use /tmp?12:13
rodrigo_4gb cleaned so far and counting! :)12:16
pedro_hello chrisccoulson, do you have a test case for bug 771176 ?12:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 771176 in language-selector "langauge-selector non-functional in natty due to missing gnome-user-guide-xx packages" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77117612:26
pedro_hola rodrigo_!12:26
rodrigo_hey pedro_12:26
rodrigo_pedro_, how is colocolo going? :)12:26
chrisccoulsonpedro_, yeah, open language selector and try to install a new locale :)12:26
chrisccoulson(but you must have gnome-panel installed to test)12:27
chrisccoulsonbefore the fix, you immediately get a dialog warning of missing gnome-user-guide-$LANG packages12:27
chrisccoulsonnow, you shouldn't get that and you should be able to install extra languages12:27
pedro_rodrigo_, not 'too bad' we're not having a good season but anyways tomorrow is the game against the classic rival so time for revenge!12:27
rodrigo_pedro_, heh, the chilean madrid-barça?12:28
pedro_chrisccoulson, ah ok will test that, thanks12:28
pedro_rodrigo_, haha yeah something like that, the biggest game in here12:31
chrisccoulsonwoah, i just shaved 35MB from the firefox source tarball by getting rid of the dictionaries12:41
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rodrigo_chrisccoulson, only 35MB?12:42
chrisccoulsonrodrigo_, the tarball was 105MB before ;)12:42
rodrigo_ah12:43
rodrigo_brb, need to reboot12:43
jbichaI'm surprised at how quick Oneiric opened up12:46
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seb128hum14:02
seb128pitti, oneiric is unfrozen right?14:02
* rodrigo_ lunch14:03
didrockswaow, 5 uploads in oneiric since I subscribed :)14:09
didrocksseems seb128 is in syncing mode :)14:09
seb128didrocks, is he? ;-)14:10
didrocksseb128: not sure, asking him :p14:10
didrocksask*14:10
didrocksok, so the gpg key isn't set yet for the repo14:11
didrockscan't get my pbuilder chroot initialized14:11
didrocksmvo: FYI: bug #77321414:12
ubot2Launchpad bug 773214 in software-center "software evaluation impossible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77321414:12
didrocksI confirm I'm stucked at authentification as well14:12
mvodidrocks: hm, hm, I wonder if its a no-longer valid token maybe14:13
mvodidrocks: you can reproduce this?14:13
didrocksmvo: yeah14:13
mvodidrocks: what does it print on the terminal/.xsession-errors?14:13
didrockstell you just hate French people :)14:13
didrockslet me see14:13
didrockslet's pick the app I wanted to evaluate14:14
didrockshum "unity" :-)14:14
mvo-114:14
mvo*uppppps*14:14
mvo;)14:14
didrockswhere is "software-center"… :-)14:15
didrocks2011-04-29 15:14:50,182 - softwarecenter.app - INFO - software-center-agent finished with status 114:15
didrocksit's the only output I get14:15
mvohm, for me getting reviews is super slow currently14:15
mvook14:15
didrocksyeah, getting reviews is slow14:15
didrocksscalability issue?14:16
mvoI ask in #is now, its really really really slow14:17
seb128didrocks, do we have a public faq or askubuntu or something about systray in unity?14:18
mvodidrocks: could you please run: " /usr/share/software-center/report_review.py --review-id 1 --debug14:18
mvo" and tell me if that outputs anything interessting?14:18
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seb128didrocks, something we can use as stock reply for "the systray for that application doesn't show in natty"14:18
didrocksmvo: sure14:18
didrocksseb128: I'll have a quick look then, didn't see one, but yeah, good idea14:18
seb128didrocks, I guess I can point to http://askubuntu.com/questions/30742/how-do-i-access-the-system-tray14:19
seb128or http://askubuntu.com/questions/19846/adding-icon-to-the-system-tray-notification-area14:20
didrocksseb128: right, it has a quality answer, maybe just need editing14:20
didrocksseb128: they need to be duped14:20
seb128they are not exactly the same bug14:20
didrocksmvo: nothing apart from a /usr/share/software-center/softwarecenter/SimpleGtkbuilderApp.py:31: GtkWarning: Could not load image 'softwarecenter': Failed to open file '/usr/share/software-center/ui/softwarecenter': No such file or directory14:20
didrocks  self.builder.add_from_file(path)14:20
seb128one example how to port to the indicator system14:20
seb128the other one how to whitelist a systray14:21
didrocksseb128: yeah, the title is misleading14:21
mvodidrocks: nothing about the worker thread or anything like tihs?14:21
didrocksmvo: nothing, (for the last minute), just got: DEBUG:root:report_abuse mode and then the line I pasted above14:22
didrocksmvo: were you the one trying to convince me using that instead of desktopcouch IIRC? :-)14:23
didrocks(still nothing more, I think I can close it now?)14:25
mvodidrocks: please keep it open14:25
didrockssure :)14:25
mvodidrocks: what its doing is to fire a "whoami" call to ubuntu sso, that is apparently taking ages for you14:25
didrocksmvo: hum, let me try to open ubuntuone control panel then14:26
mvodidrocks: good idea, please14:27
didrockslogged14:27
didrocksand I have my infos14:27
mvodidrocks: so that is quick?14:27
didrocksyeah, like a second…14:27
didrocksdidn't see the splashscreen event this time (and I didn't started it before)14:27
didrockseven*14:27
mvodidrocks: what about: "PYTHONPATH=/usr/share/software-center/ python /usr/share/software-center/softwarecenter/backend/restfulclient.py sso" ?does that show whoami info  quickly as well?14:29
didrocksmvo: it asks me to create an account, so I must not be logged14:31
didrocksweel create an account/log in14:31
didrockslet me try to log in14:31
mvodidrocks: could you lease login?14:31
didrocksok, whoamI received14:31
didrockslet me try the report_view.py14:32
didrocksmvo: seems still the same :(14:32
mvodidrocks: hmmmmm, let me look at the code closer14:34
didrocksmvo: sure, just ping me if you need testing :)14:35
mvodidrocks: could you please try again? if still nothing, could you please "bzr get lp:software-center ; cd software-center;  PYTHONPATH=. python utils/report_review.py --review-id 1 --datadir ./data --debug " ?14:43
didrocksmvo: sure, trying14:44
didrocksmvo: so, wasn't working, tried trunk and I get: DEBUG:root:login()14:47
didrocksbut then nothing14:47
didrocks(not the other debug output you added)14:47
mvodidrocks: could you plesae bzr up and run it again? more debug output hopefully (r1752)14:51
didrocksmvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600753/14:52
mvodidrocks: there we go, iz sso bug ;)14:52
didrocksmvo: exactly! :-)14:53
didrocksencoding for the love :)14:53
seb128it's always nessita's fault14:53
mvodidrocks: but IZ softwarecenter issue for not reporting it propery :(14:53
mvodidrocks: let me switch to french to see if I can reproduce it14:53
didrocksmvo: you are taking risks :-)14:53
mvohaha14:54
didrocksseb128: yeah, but she dare have something working for her application! It's nasty :-)14:54
mvonasty narwahl14:54
didrocksheh :-)14:54
mvodidrocks: yep, can reproduce14:56
didrocks\o/14:56
seb128ok, so it's true, it's mvo being a french hater!14:56
mvothanks YOU very much14:56
mvo\o/ didrocks14:56
seb128mvo, no tea for you until that's fixed! ;-)14:56
didrocksmvo: thanks for adding the debug info :-)14:56
didrocksseb128: right, I have some rating to make on USC :-)14:57
mvoseb128: only partly my fault14:57
mvono nessita around today?14:58
seb128mvo, you and nessita right?14:58
seb128she must be hidding in shame!14:58
seb128;-)14:58
mvowell, I was not aware that I am not allowed to use non-ascii with sso ;)14:58
seb128seems like a bug indeed14:59
mvoseb128: who else from the team might be able to tell me if its something I should fix or something that needs fixing inside the sso-client? beside her :)15:01
seb128mvo, calendar says she has a swap day today, maybe check on the u1 channel?15:02
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seb128hum, does anybody has an opinion on how to handle GNOME3 updates on the vcs?15:35
seb128should we bzr merge the gnome3-team vcs, i.e keep the history of those commit in the official vcs?15:35
didrocksmaybe rodrigo_? as we have some forks of our branches, but as i didn't follow that closely15:35
seb128what I'm leaning toward now is to do bzr merge, commit, clean a bit, drop ppa uploads from the changelog and summarize in one and upload15:36
didrocksseems good to me15:36
seb128then maybe an extra "rebase on debian" before uploading15:36
seb128but that would keep the contributions history and do a clean upload as well15:36
seb128let's do that15:36
Laneywhy drop the ppa stuff? part of the package's history isn't it?15:38
Laneyyou'd keep debian changelog entries15:38
Laneyalso and less bikesheddy, we are thinking about landing mono 2.10 sooner rather than later. There will be some associated FTBFS which we will fix ASAP15:40
seb128yeah, ftfbs are fine don't worry about those yet15:40
seb128Laney, because we do that for desktop usually, we drop the ubuntu changelog entries when we rebase on debian, we just add one which summarize the diff15:40
Laneyok fair enough15:40
seb128especially nowadays that changelog are stripped to 10 entries anyway15:40
Laneyit'll be in vcs history anyway15:41
seb128Laney, not to count that lot of the those changelog uploads have poor quality changelogs15:41
seb128it's also work to merge GNOME3 changelogs from debian and the ppa over our 2.32 and doesn't seem worth it15:41
Laneywell there are tools to merge changelogs, i'd hope that bzr merge-package uses them, but really I was just suggesting an idea, don't worry about it :-)15:43
Laneyis the plan to drop gtk2 from the cd this cycle?15:43
seb128well it works when you have 2 vcs15:43
seb128but we have 3 series there which evolved in different way15:44
seb128natty, ppa, debian15:44
seb128so the 3 series merge in one is not obvious15:44
seb128gtk2 from the CD... let's see at UDS, it's a bit early to have a visibility on that15:44
seb128we would like to but I'm not sure how things like libreoffice or firefox will get those15:44
seb128or mono bindings15:45
Laneymono gtk#3 is being worked on15:45
seb128we will have "port as much as we can to gtk3" as a goal15:45
Laneythere's a branch of banshee with a port15:45
seb128I'm not sure it's realistic to get it done in one cycle15:45
mvodidrocks: I do a SRU with the LANGUAGE=fr fix now (if os.environ["LANGUAGE"] == "fr": del os.environ["LANGUAGE"]). should make hte review stuff work soonish15:45
seb128especially that it will be mixing with python3 and gi ports15:45
seb128mvo, you want to make friends today? ;-)15:46
mvolol15:46
mvolalalalala15:46
seb128mvo, did you try the u1 channel?15:47
seb128rodrigo_, hey15:47
didrocksmvo: nice way to handle this :-)15:47
seb128rodrigo_, I did a bunch of GNOME syncs to oneiric already btw15:47
pittigood bye everyone, have a nice weekend!15:47
rodrigo_seb128, ah, cool15:47
seb128libwnck3 and some other gnome3 libs15:47
seb128pitti, have fun!15:47
didrocksmvo: but even if you remove the env variable for the sign in, we keep being French deep in our hearts :-)15:47
rodrigo_pitti, have a good move :)15:48
didrockspitti: good luck with your move ;) enjoy your week-end15:48
rodrigo_seb128, should we update the etherpad page with what has been done?15:48
mvobye pitti!15:48
seb128rodrigo_, well, we have the versions page for what has been done15:49
rodrigo_ah, ok15:49
seb128rodrigo_, I think we don't need extra manual work, the etherpad is rather for comments and notes15:49
rodrigo_seb128, and what about 'I'm working on this...'? I thought it was for not duplicating work15:50
seb128rodrigo_, yes, that can and should go there15:51
rodrigo_ok15:51
seb128rodrigo_, I've added that I work on eog there15:51
seb128rodrigo_, I didn't feel like syncs would be work on things that would get duplicates15:52
seb128duplicated15:52
seb128it just needs someone to run the sync command which I can do so I did those ;-)15:52
seb128rodrigo_, I can sync libgnomekbd if you want15:52
seb128I think it should have no ubuntu diff15:52
rodrigo_seb128, oh, cool, because I think it doesn0t have any diff15:52
rodrigo_yeah, go ahead15:52
seb128ok15:52
ricotzseb128, hi16:02
seb128hey ricotz16:02
seb128ricotz, how are you?16:02
ricotzi just switched to the oneiric repo and noticed the avahi upload, it will need the gtk3 patch which is in the gnome3 ppa16:03
ricotzseb128, i am fine, pretty busy with other stuff :(16:03
ricotzseb128, how are you?16:03
seb128ricotz, I'm fine thanks16:03
ricotzlooks like you are excited with the new cycle start16:03
seb128ricotz, right, I added a workitem for you about that on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-reduce-number-patches-packages16:04
ricotzmeaning switching to gnome3 ;)16:04
seb128;-)16:04
seb128ricotz, though the debian guys were discussing that on #debian-gnome today so it might redo it from scratch in a different way, we should send such patches to debian to avoid that happening if we can16:04
seb128"so they might redo it"16:05
seb128lol16:05
seb128just when I was writing that mbieil said he uploaded to debian with gtk316:05
ricotzlooks like mbiebl does it already16:05
seb128so I guess I can drop the workitem and we will need to resync on them16:05
ricotz;)16:05
seb128well shame that you both did the same work still16:06
seb128could you try to make sure you open a debian bug with the diff when you do such work?16:06
ricotzright, actually robert did it first16:06
seb128so we avoid picking different naming and they don't dup work16:06
seb128I will remind that to him as well when he's online ;-)16:06
ricotzalright16:07
bcurtiswxcongrats on the release everyone :)16:51
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seb128hey nessita17:06
nessitahey seb128, how are you?17:06
seb128nessita, I'm fine, how are you? what are you doing there, you are not supposed to be having a swap day today? ;-)17:06
nessitaI am! I'm checking that everything is OK17:06
nessitasince I travel to Europe next Monday17:07
seb128nessita, you broke things for mvo and didrocks they were looking for you earlier17:07
didrocksseb128: you don't like french people, do you? :-)17:07
nessitaseb128: I did?17:07
nessitadidrocks: did I?17:07
seb128nessita, sso not liking being given non-ascii strings it seems, that breaks french users17:08
seb128didrocks, that was for nessita I guess ;-)17:08
nessitabut... how come this did not come up to light before?17:08
didrocksseb128: yeah, mind broken this time, not weechat :-)17:08
didrocksnessita: so french users can't authenticate for ratings and review in USC17:09
didrockswas working for beta1 at least17:09
seb128nessita, well I guess testing doesn't cover everything17:09
nessitadidrocks: we haven't changed SSO code in a while... so I'm wondering why this is coming to light just now17:09
nessitadidrocks: anyways, I'm happy to fix (next week) if I have a bug report with the trace and the steps to reproduce :-)17:10
didrocksnessita: mvo workarounded it for now I guess17:10
seb128nessita, check the bug mvo opened, but not sure that was working before17:10
didrocksso no pressure :-)17:10
nessitaok then :-)17:10
nessitaok, I see the bug: [Bug 773214] software evaluation impossible17:11
ubot2Launchpad bug 773214 in software-center "software evaluation impossible" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77321417:11
seb128nessita, right17:11
nessitaI'll work on that next week, from Your Time Zone :-P17:11
seb128nessita, well it could that mvo was not sending the translated name before17:11
seb128or that the translations were not uptodate17:11
seb128nessita, ok ;-)17:12
nessitaoh, I'm reading the report17:12
mvonessita: we see each other in budapest next week17:12
mvo:)17:12
nessitaand the app name is not supposed to change (mvo is sending the translated version of the ap name)17:12
nessitamvo: hey there, I'm reading your report17:12
didrocksjcastro: working at 9PM on wednesday at UDS?17:12
mvonessita: well, its a user visible thing17:13
jcastrodidrocks: fixing that, that's an optional plenary Q+A with mark17:13
jcastrodidrocks: don't worry I won't take your beer time away17:13
didrocksjcastro: was starting to be scared of that \o/17:14
nessitamvo: right, the thing is that we don't support that the app name changes, so in order to solve that, we should implement the feature (already filled) to be able send the app id to be used to access the keyring, and a free string to be shown as the dialog box header (and there you can send whatever translated string)17:14
nessitathe bug tracking that request is:17:15
nessitabug #76284617:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 762846 in ubuntu-translations "The application name shows untranslated in the "Create account" dialog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76284617:15
nessitaand is a new feature, so we'll implement it for O. we need to find a way to make this work for N though... I may make a patch that does not break existent APIs17:16
mvook, I removed the _() for now in s-c17:19
nessitaright17:20
nessitamvo: I'll think in a better workaround and I'll comment in the bug. Are you using the new dbus iface or the old one?17:21
nessitathat is, are you calling "login_to_get_credentials" or "login"?17:21
mvologin() and login_or_register()17:22
nessitamvo: hem... there is no login_or_register method, in the new iface we have the login() method or register() method. In the old one, login_to_get_crendetials or login_or_register_to_get_credentials() :-) So, if you are using the old ones (suffixed with "to_get_credentials"), I will surely not be able to change the API. If you're using the new ones (which receive a DBus dictionary to be flexible about parameters), I can add a new pa17:26
mvohrm, so its self.proxy.login_or_register_to_get_credentials/self.proxy.login_to_get_credentials17:28
nessitaright, old iface :-/17:29
mvonessita: I can update that in my code17:29
mainerroro/17:29
nessitamvo: if you can, let's wait until next week when I provide this new param17:29
mvonessita: ok, cool17:29
nessitamvo: and we can do this IRL ;-)17:29
mvo!17:29
mvo:)17:29
dobeynessita: so there is a still a bug there that we need to fix, regardless of whether it's being translated or not. but we can discuss in budapest if you want17:31
nessitadobey: not sure what you mean with "there is a still a bug there that we need to fix". Can  you please specify what bug do you mean? (other than not supporting translated app names, since the app name acts as a key for ussoc)17:33
mvothanks for your help nessita and dobey, for now it should be taken care of (with the removal of _()) and hte rest we can fix together in budapest17:33
nessitamvo: right17:34
dobeynessita: i mean untranslated app names can still be non-ASCII17:37
nessitadobey: right. Yes, I'll look into that next week.17:37
nessitaand yes, I will propose SRU for natty and maybe maverick, if needed17:37
nessitawell, I'm off now, back to my hard task of putting my house in order!17:38
nessitabye all, see ya next week17:38
seb128nessita, bye, see you next week!17:38
* nessita waves17:39
dobeysee you in hungary nessita17:39
mvosee you17:39
bcurtiswxah yes, what sprint is next week?17:47
bcurtiswxUX?17:47
bcurtiswxDX?17:47
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kenvandinebcurtiswx, yes18:02
kenvandineboth :)18:02
seb128U1 as well18:02
bcurtiswxcool!18:02
kenvandineand launchpad too right?18:03
kenvandinegoing to be lots of folks there i guess :)18:03
bcurtiswxis that why wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-O attendees section is small? :P18:03
kenvandinei noticed that too18:03
kenvandineseems really weak this time18:03
bcurtiswxyeah, sometime this week i have to get transport from airport to hotel setup, cjohnston and I are sharing the price on the way back since we both have the same flight18:06
kenvandinecool18:07
* dobey hopes the u1 sessions get approved soon18:07
Sarvattbcurtiswx: there's 8 of us on the canonical wiki on your same flight too18:07
bcurtiswxSarvatt, there or back or what?18:08
Sarvattand many many more on the flight back18:08
bcurtiswxwell then why don't I just get in on your transport?18:08
bcurtiswxif thats possible/OK18:08
dobeykenvandine, bcurtiswx: the wiki page list might be small because of the change to the new form submission system18:08
Sarvattwell 10 on the flight back18:09
* Sarvatt is just taking the shuttle18:09
bcurtiswxshuttle is free?18:09
Sarvattnope 12 euros18:10
dobeyi am pretty sure there are more than 6 people attending UDS :)18:10
bcurtiswxwell, since it's in Budapest, I'd hope they accept FOrints (since thats what I have) :P18:10
Sarvattbcurtiswx: Airport: Budapest International airport (http://www.bud.hu/english/)18:10
SarvattTo get to the Hotel from the Airport people can take a shuttle bus that will drop them off right at the Corinthia (http://www.airportshuttle.hu/). The ticket costs 12Euros one way and 19Euros return and can be purchased at the airport directly. Journey time is approx. 45/50 min. Alternatively, if you are travelling with other 4-5 colleagues, you may be able to share a taxi van, which should costs approximately 40Euros.18:10
bcurtiswxi guess i'll most likely just play sheep and follow most of you wherever you go18:11
bcurtiswxSarvatt, you've reserved online already I would assume ?18:15
Sarvattbcurtiswx: nope, was planning on doing the same as you actually :)18:15
dobeywell at least it is *in* budapest :)18:16
dobeymy budapest flights are annoying though. 2 layovers both ways18:17
bcurtiswxDCA to NYC to BUD, can't complain18:18
Sarvattbcurtiswx: you're going from DCA too? :)18:21
bcurtiswxyup18:21
bcurtiswxlive in Falls Church, VA18:21
Sarvattwoodbridge VA here, just moved from old town alexandria18:21
dobeyheh18:21
dobeyall you DC people18:21
bcurtiswxSarvatt, good to see you survived the tornado18:22
SarvattAA3837 too?18:22
dobeyi guess i should find some DC canonical/ubuntu people to meet up for beer next time i go to dc18:23
bcurtiswxi have a friend that lives in apartment just south of the occoquan (sp?) whom i visit occasionally18:23
bcurtiswxdobey, we meet nearly every saturday at Taste of India off of the woddley park metro exit18:23
bcurtiswxaround 5:00PM18:23
bcurtiswxwoodley*18:23
bcurtiswxSarvatt, why don't you hang out in our LoCo channel? since you're close enough to be a part18:24
dobeybcurtiswx: is that /in/ DC proper?18:24
bcurtiswxdobey, correct18:24
bcurtiswxSarvatt, yup 3837 there and 3845 back18:25
bcurtiswxall the DC canonical employees (well anyone for this matter) should be in #ubuntu-us-dc18:27
bcurtiswxit's the cool place to be </plug>18:28
bcurtiswxfor collaborative purposes, shouldn't we combine the canonical and UDS-O attendee wiki ? or is there some special reason they're separated ?18:31
bcurtiswxat least the travel itinerary stuff18:31
bcurtiswx(since idk what on the canonical one)18:31
dobeyman openstreetmap needs someone to donate a usable web site18:35
dobeybcurtiswx: i don't think we're using wikis for that any more18:35
bcurtiswxdobey, hmm. OK.18:37
bcurtiswxmaybe i'll just walk around the terminal finding out where other UDS-O people are, if not flash my Ubuntu desktop around ;)18:37
Laneyused to be good having a list of when everyone was arriving18:38
Laneyi guess i'll just head for the shuttle18:38
bcurtiswxWiki's with flight info help the newbies like me, collaborate with others at least.  I'll just walk around Reagan until I find Sarvatt18:41
nigelbbcurtiswx: lol18:42
nigelbI should add my details, but I'll do that once I'm actually sure I'm going18:42
dobeybcurtiswx: just wear an ubuntu shirt.18:42
bcurtiswxim lacking in the Ununtu shirt department :P18:43
bcurtiswxUbuntu* even18:43
nigelbbcurtiswx: Just look like a geek, y'know, generally. :p18:43
bcurtiswxi can look like a geek, backpack with huge laptop with an Ubuntu logo on it18:43
nigelbthat works :p18:43
nigelbI'm goign to wear my ubuntu t-shirt for the trip, to be on the safe side ;)18:44
Laneynigelb: getting a bit close?!18:44
nigelbLaney: hrm?18:45
nigelbLaney: I need to go through the drama called 'visa application' ^-^18:45
Laneyas in, haven't you had to book flights and accommodation?18:45
Laney:-O18:45
nigelband that's happening next week.18:46
Laneydoes it require an interview or something?18:46
nigelbso until next thursday, I dunno if I'll make it even though I have tickets and hotel reservation18:46
nigelbYeah, I have an appointment with the consulate on Monday18:46
nigelbI fly to the capital on sunday, submit documents, and pray that (a) they approve (b) they approve and give passport back to me before thursday.18:47
nigelb(embassy opens only on Mon, Wed, Thu)18:47
nigelbsomeday, I'll abolish visas :P18:48
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kenvandineLP is killing me today21:56
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lifelesskenvandine: oh?22:07
kenvandinelots of failures22:07
kenvandineright now it isn't letting me upload to a ppa22:07
kenvandinei figured it was just the day after 11.04 flood22:08
cyphermoxI haven't been able to upload to the NM ppa either, and there's something like a 16 h backlog22:09
chrisccoulsonyeah, i noticed that too. it took a whole day for my firefox-stable updates to get built22:09
chrisccoulsondid we lose some PPA builders?22:09
kenvandinei am getting connection refused errors right now22:09
kenvandineConnection failed, aborting. Check your network [Errno 111] Connection refused22:10
chrisccoulsonwow, 2 day backlog on amd64 now ;)22:10
cyphermoxyeah ;)22:10
lifelesskenvandine: see #is, #launchpad etc topics22:11
kenvandineah :)22:11
lifelesskenvandine: release day traffic caused an overload of ppa.l.n which is only partially rectified and is in progress22:11
kenvandinelifeless, that is basically what i was assuming22:11
lifelessshould only be uploads that are down22:13
lifelessyou can upload it to upload.ubuntu.com instead22:13
kenvandinei was getting 404s for a while trying to install from it22:13
kenvandinebut that is working now22:13
lifelessif you haven't successfully uploaded it at all22:13
lifelessif you've uploaded it but its not showing up, then its hurry-up-and-wait time22:14
kenvandinenot uploaded at all22:14
kenvandinebut it is eod... i'll try again later tonight :)22:14
kenvandinetime to go play with the kids :-D22:14

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