[03:06] <TheMuso> RAOF: Are you aware that pygtk has an ubuntu desktop packaging branch, which you should have access to?
[03:07] <RAOF> TheMuso: No :)
[03:07] <RAOF> Well, I am now.
[03:07] <TheMuso> no problem, I'll put it in the branch for now, but just a heads up for next time.
[03:07] <TheMuso> Actually...
[03:08] <TheMuso> Let me see if there is a branch for natty
[03:08] <TheMuso> i.e a branch for updates...
[03:08] <RAOF> Mmmm.
[03:09] <TheMuso> Seems not.
[03:09] <TheMuso> Let me see if there is a convention elsewhere for other packages re stable release branches.
[03:11] <TheMuso> Hrm ok seems not. Thats disappointing.
[03:13] <RAOF> This is one of the cases where git's colocated branch model is quite nice.
[03:15] <TheMuso> Yep.
[03:15] <TheMuso> I agree.
[03:15] <TheMuso> Anyway, running a test build, and will upload if all is well.
[03:15] <RAOF> Ta.
[03:37] <TheMuso> RAOF: uploaded.
[03:37] <RAOF> Ta muchly.
[03:38] <TheMuso> np
[04:38] <shinta> hi, anyone knows a way to activate the wobbly windows on unity without making the interface crash?
[04:39] <RAOF> That did'nt get fixed for release?  Bah!
[04:39] <shinta> no, i acctivate theh effect and the upper panel crashed x.x
[04:39] <RAOF> And then came back, right?
[04:39] <shinta> yes, but some pieces where missing
[04:42] <RAOF> Well, wobbly windows should remain enabled, so that'll only happen once :(
[04:43] <shinta> ok, i will give it a try
[04:44] <shinta> it worked o.o... well, thanks for the help ^^
[07:00] <didrocks> good morning
[08:08] <mdke> would anyone do me a massive favour by walking me through how to update and build a simple gnome module with the latest upstream release? I need yelp-xsl 3.0.1 to build the Ubuntu documentation for help.ubuntu.com, and only 3.0.0 is in the archive
[08:08] <pitti> Good morning
[08:09] <mdke> morning pitti :)
[08:09] <mdke> congrats on the release
[08:09] <pitti> hey mdke, good morning
[08:09] <pitti> mdke: congrats to you, too!
[08:10] <mdke> congrats all round
[08:12] <Sweetshark> Good morning and happy royal wedding day to all british subjects!
[08:12] <pitti> Sweetshark: oh, it's today?
[08:12] <mdke> yay for a free public holiday
[08:13] <pitti> the couple won't talk about anything else than the shiny new Untity all day anyway!
[08:14] <mdke> the streets will be deserted with everyone trying Ubuntu 11.04
[08:15] <mdke> all those police for nothing
[08:15] <Sweetshark> pitti: I have packaged a lo-menubar version fixing bug 754562 as lo-menubar_0.1.1~pre1-0ubuntu1. Ok to upload that to https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa for testing?
[08:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 754562 in lo-menubar "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_lookup()" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/754562
[08:20] <mdke> ok, have figured it out - that is amazingly straightforward
[08:21] <mdke> update changelog + bzr-buildpackage
[08:21] <pitti> Sweetshark: you don't need my ack for uploading to a PPA :)
[08:22] <Sweetshark> pitti: well, yeah. It just that I am hijacking the release fom the DX team (or lo-menubar rockstars)
[08:28] <didrocks> good morning pitti, Sweetshark
[08:31] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:34] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[08:34] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:36] <seb128> hum, pitti's uploads to oneiric?
[08:36] <seb128> is it open yet? ;-)
[08:37] <pitti> seb128: frozen, but you can upload
[08:37] <seb128> why frozen?
[08:38] <seb128> great my versions update worked, I could test it yesterday since there was no oneiric apt index on the archive yet
[08:39] <seb128> (if you wonder why the list is small it's because there is no oneiric germinate yet
[08:39] <seb128> so most of the content is hidden since it shows mostly the germinate list by default
[08:41] <pitti> seb128: toolchain is still being prepared
[08:41] <seb128> how come you got updates in? ;-)
[08:41] <seb128> but ok, I've some syncs to do but I guess I will wait to not hijack the freeze
[08:42] <pitti> seb128: I have no idea who accepted them
[08:43] <dpm> good morning didrocks, I've got a couple of unity questions for you if you're around :)
[08:44] <didrocks> dpm: sure!
[08:44] <didrocks> good morning ;)
[08:44] <pitti> hey dpm
[08:44] <dpm> :)
[08:44] <dpm> hey pitti, morning
[08:45] <seb128> hey dpm
[08:45] <didrocks> oh adding oneiric-changes to ML subcription, nice idea!
[08:45] <seb128> dpm, you can ask on the channel even if didrocks is not there btw, others can probably reply as well
[08:47] <dpm> hey seb128, good morning! - I'll do that then, I just felt like pinging didrocks in case he was still sleeping :)
[08:48] <didrocks> it's already more than 2 hours that I'm connected :)
[08:48] <seb128> I guess now is fine, but at some moment of the cycle people feel highlight stress on IRC because they keep being pinged, people should just ask on the channels ;-)
[08:48] <seb128> and let whoever has time reply
[08:48] <seb128> anyway, you had questions? ;-)
[08:49] <dpm> sorry, yeah, it was now me who got pinged in PM :)
[08:51] <dpm> so the first question is that I've got a laptop which at some point in the cycle got the Applications, Places and System menus folded into the Ubuntu icon at the top left hand side in the gnome panel (classic session) - how can I reset it so that it has the 3 Applications, Places, System menus visible again?
[08:51] <didrocks> dpm:  gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/pane
[08:51] <didrocks> urgh
[08:51] <didrocks> dpm:  gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[08:51] <dpm> cool, thanks :)
[08:51] <didrocks> that will reset all your panel configuration :)
[08:51] <seb128> or you can remove the applet and add the menubar one
[08:52] <seb128> if you don't want to reset your whole layout
[08:52] <dpm> oh, I'm fine with resetting
[08:54] <dpm> then the next one is that due to a bug I cannot run Unity on that laptop with nvidia, but I got to run it with nouveau fine. I had been using it ok until today when I upgraded a bunch of packages (I hadn't kept it up to date since a week ago or so). Now I get the dialog that tells me that unity cannot be run on that system, so it falls back to classic. I'm not sure what's going on, as it had been running unity fine for a while - is there a way to over
[08:54] <dpm> ride that check, or what would you suggest?
[08:55] <didrocks> dpm: geforce 7300/7400?
[08:55] <Sweetshark> hmmm, I am having a strange Ubuntu only issue: "LANGUAGE=C LC_ALL=C gcc -print-file-name=libgcc_s.so.1" according to the man-page should print a full path, but does not. And it seems to be a ubuntu only issue.
[08:55] <dpm> didrocks, huh, I think so, let me check...
[08:55] <didrocks> dpm: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[08:56] <didrocks> if it's 7300/7400, it will tell you it's blacklisted
[08:56] <dpm> didrocks, yeah, it's 7300
[08:56] <didrocks> (Not in backlist: no)
[08:56] <RAOF> But only on nvidia-current, right?
[08:56] <didrocks> RAOF: no, blacklist is by pcid
[08:57] <RAOF> Oh.  Ah.
[08:57] <dpm> what's up with that card, though, why is it blacklisted?
[08:57] <didrocks> dpm: I've written about that on askubuntu yesterday, one sec
[08:57] <didrocks> dpm: freeze at startup with nvidia-current
[08:57] <didrocks> RAOF: I confirm that some people confirms it works fine with 173
[08:57] <didrocks> RAOF: so, it's a 270 issue
[08:58] <didrocks> dpm: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37629/geforce-go-7300-7400-blacklisted-can-i-still-run-unity
[08:58] <dpm> didrocks, oh, that was the bug I've had throughout the cycle with nvidia-current!
[08:58] <didrocks> dpm: yeah, hence the blacklist road right now :/
[08:58]  * RAOF thinks the blacklist should be on the (pciid, driver) pair.
[08:59] <didrocks> RAOF: yeah, but it was too late :/
[08:59] <didrocks> RAOF: so, it will be sweet that we know what happens with that driver for that card
[08:59] <didrocks> RAOF: and why the old driver still works…
[08:59] <didrocks> dpm: will you bring it at UDS?
[09:00] <dpm> didrocks, for reference, it was bug 726496 - I was not planning to do so, but if that helps debugging, I'll be glad to bring it
[09:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 726496 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "Cannot use Unity or Classic desktop with effects after the latest nvidia+xorg update" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726496
[09:01] <didrocks> dpm: I added the link
[09:02] <didrocks> RAOF: will that help if dpm brings it at UDS? or should you just start discussing with nvidia about it?
[09:04] <dpm> didrocks, where did you add the link to?
[09:04] <didrocks> to the bug report
[09:04] <didrocks> RAOF: so, it will be sweet that we know what happens with that driver for that card
[09:04] <didrocks> RAOF: and why the old driver still works…
[09:04] <didrocks> RAOF: will that help if dpm brings it at UDS? or should you just start discussing with nvidia about it?
[09:05] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:06] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_
[09:12] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:13] <rodrigo_> hi didrocks, chrisccoulson
[09:13] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson ;)
[09:13] <seb128> hey rodrigo_ chrisccoulson
[09:13] <rodrigo_> hi seb128
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> hi rodrigo_, didrocks, seb128
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> how are you today?
[09:15] <didrocks> I'm fine thanks, you?
[09:15] <seb128> I'm fine as well
[09:16] <seb128> isn't today the day where you are supposed to sit in the garden drinken beer and watching the weeding on TV? ;-)
[09:17] <didrocks> seb128: and Monday is off for them too!
[09:17] <seb128> right
[09:18] <didrocks> then, they are laughing about french holidays…
[09:18] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, happy holiday!
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti! thanks ;)
[09:18] <didrocks> I know what to answer now :p
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i'm meant to be sitting in the garden drinking beer, but i think i'll give the wedding a miss ;)
[09:19] <seb128> ;-)
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> the weather is pretty miserable today though, so, no garden :(
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> i guess i'll just have to sit inside with my fingers in my ears ;)
[09:19] <seb128> ok so back in sitting in the couch to drink beer?
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> lol
[09:19] <seb128> well, as long as there is beer drinking :p
[09:20]  * pitti looks at the bright sun and blue sky outside and commiserates the English weaher
[09:20] <pitti> weather, too
[09:26] <glatzor> hello pitti, I started porting aptdaemon client to gdbus. But I don't understand how I can access the properties
[09:27] <glatzor> of the gdbusproxy
[09:27] <pitti> glatzor: is that any different from dbus-glib?
[09:27] <pitti> i. e. you call Get() on the org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties interface?
[09:28] <glatzor> do I need a second proxy for the properties interface?
[09:28] <pitti> yes
[09:28] <glatzor> ah ok.
[09:28] <pitti> did python-dbus have some extra magic for this?
[09:28] <pitti> it doesn't sound too hard to write an override for this, so that myproxy.myproperty will work
[09:29] <pitti> but gdbus itself doesn't have a magic API for tihs
[09:30] <glatzor> no. gdbus already provides g-properties-changed and cached properties. So it felt natuarlly to access the properties of the object from the same gdbusproxy instance
[09:33] <pitti> glatzor: ah, I haven't used/seen that yet; perhaps you can file a pygobject gnome bug about it, and I might have a go at it in the train ride to Budapest :)
[09:48] <rodrigo_> oh, so the British get a day off because of the wedding? much better than here, we paid the prince's wedding, but it was on a Saturday, so no holiday and, worst, we weren't invited, even though we paid it!!
[09:52] <seb128> the right way to do it is to cut some heads
[09:53] <seb128> that's what we did there! ;-)
[09:53] <rodrigo_> yeah, we should learn from the French indeed :)
[09:53] <rodrigo_> having a king is such an obsolete thing indeed
[09:53] <rodrigo_> king or queen :)
[10:02] <Sweetshark> rodrigo_: unless you are king yourself of course ...
[10:04] <seb128> pitti, bug #747796 is puzzling
[10:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 747796 in pygobject "gnome-language-selector crashes after a fresh install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/747796
[10:04] <seb128> pitti, it seems somewhat due to translations
[10:06] <seb128> there is another user who confirm the issue and say "The problem appears to be the letter uppercase dotted "I", which is a Turkish only character."
[10:06] <seb128> I still don't get why it would make the chars be changed...
[10:08] <seb128> dpm, ^ does that one makes sense to you?
[10:15] <dpm> seb128, not really, no :( I don't understand why the Turkish i translations can change the code
[10:16] <dpm> also, unrelated, but I'm getting this with g-l-s: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/600622/
[10:17] <seb128> hum, I start hatting those UnicodeDecodeError
[10:17] <seb128> what is wrong with python and encoding?
[10:17] <pitti> seb128: yeah, this is totally dubious to me
[10:17] <didrocks> seb128: it's not utf8 by default in python2
[10:18] <pitti> seb128: an uppercase ASCII 'I' should remain an 'I' in any locale
[10:18] <seb128> pitti, well, we got 2 users having the issue now, I was leaning toward a local corruption before the other user comments
[10:18] <pitti> seb128: I'll see to reproducing this locally and investigate, I guess somewhere in the code or overrides is an extra char conversion
[10:18] <pitti> but not today
[10:18] <pitti> I haven't actually tested a Turkish locale yet
[10:19] <seb128> didrocks, well encoding changed in 2.7
[10:19] <seb128> didrocks, we didn't have those issues with 2.6
[10:20] <didrocks> oh really? didn't follow that
[10:20] <didrocks> just still .encode() manually for most part when interacting with 3rd part, like launchpadlib here :(
[10:27] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i hit a confusing issue with my language packs last night (they didn't work at all) :(
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> it seems that some translations are incomplete, and in that case, the firefox build system can merge in en-US translations, but it wouldn't let me do that
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> and then i realised i needed http://hg.mozilla.org/build/compare-locales/ installed to make it work :)
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> i've got no idea why that isn't part of the build system though....
[10:29] <chrisccoulson> so now i have working translations using xpi's i created myself :)
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> and they look identical to the upstream xpi's, which must be a good sign :)
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> dpm - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox.translation-branch/revision/809 ;)
[10:39] <pitti> seb128, chrisccoulson: BTW, I won't be around much today, I need to prep my moving tomorrow
[10:39] <pitti> chrisccoulson: awesome!
[11:47] <chrisccoulson> ouch, the firefox tarball grew by 40MB
[11:50] <chrisccoulson> oh, still not quite as big as chromium then ;)
[11:58] <chrisccoulson> oh, i can ditch all the hunspell dictionaries. that's quite a space saving there
[12:04] <rodrigo_> ugh, no space left on my laptop's HD
[12:05] <rodrigo_> I indeed have to many source code checkouts (+ build files) here
[12:05]  * rodrigo_ cleans
[12:09] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, that keeps happening to me too
[12:10] <rodrigo_> yeah
[12:11] <chrisccoulson> a built firefox source tree is 2GB though ;)
[12:11] <chrisccoulson> they take up a fair bit of space
[12:12] <rodrigo_> also, the build-area dirs from using bzr bd seem to take a lot of space also
[12:13] <rodrigo_> is there a way to tell it to use /tmp?
[12:16] <rodrigo_> 4gb cleaned so far and counting! :)
[12:26] <pedro_> hello chrisccoulson, do you have a test case for bug 771176 ?
[12:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 771176 in language-selector "langauge-selector non-functional in natty due to missing gnome-user-guide-xx packages" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771176
[12:26] <pedro_> hola rodrigo_!
[12:26] <rodrigo_> hey pedro_
[12:26] <rodrigo_> pedro_, how is colocolo going? :)
[12:26] <chrisccoulson> pedro_, yeah, open language selector and try to install a new locale :)
[12:27] <chrisccoulson> (but you must have gnome-panel installed to test)
[12:27] <chrisccoulson> before the fix, you immediately get a dialog warning of missing gnome-user-guide-$LANG packages
[12:27] <chrisccoulson> now, you shouldn't get that and you should be able to install extra languages
[12:27] <pedro_> rodrigo_, not 'too bad' we're not having a good season but anyways tomorrow is the game against the classic rival so time for revenge!
[12:28] <rodrigo_> pedro_, heh, the chilean madrid-barça?
[12:28] <pedro_> chrisccoulson, ah ok will test that, thanks
[12:31] <pedro_> rodrigo_, haha yeah something like that, the biggest game in here
[12:41] <chrisccoulson> woah, i just shaved 35MB from the firefox source tarball by getting rid of the dictionaries
[12:42] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, only 35MB?
[12:42] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, the tarball was 105MB before ;)
[12:43] <rodrigo_> ah
[12:43] <rodrigo_> brb, need to reboot
[12:46] <jbicha> I'm surprised at how quick Oneiric opened up
[14:02] <seb128> hum
[14:02] <seb128> pitti, oneiric is unfrozen right?
[14:03]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[14:09] <didrocks> waow, 5 uploads in oneiric since I subscribed :)
[14:09] <didrocks> seems seb128 is in syncing mode :)
[14:10] <seb128> didrocks, is he? ;-)
[14:10] <didrocks> seb128: not sure, asking him :p
[14:10] <didrocks> ask*
[14:11] <didrocks> ok, so the gpg key isn't set yet for the repo
[14:11] <didrocks> can't get my pbuilder chroot initialized
[14:12] <didrocks> mvo: FYI: bug #773214
[14:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 773214 in software-center "software evaluation impossible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773214
[14:12] <didrocks> I confirm I'm stucked at authentification as well
[14:13] <mvo> didrocks: hm, hm, I wonder if its a no-longer valid token maybe
[14:13] <mvo> didrocks: you can reproduce this?
[14:13] <didrocks> mvo: yeah
[14:13] <mvo> didrocks: what does it print on the terminal/.xsession-errors?
[14:13] <didrocks> tell you just hate French people :)
[14:13] <didrocks> let me see
[14:14] <didrocks> let's pick the app I wanted to evaluate
[14:14] <didrocks> hum "unity" :-)
[14:14] <mvo> -1
[14:14] <mvo> *uppppps*
[14:14] <mvo> ;)
[14:15] <didrocks> where is "software-center"… :-)
[14:15] <didrocks> 2011-04-29 15:14:50,182 - softwarecenter.app - INFO - software-center-agent finished with status 1
[14:15] <didrocks> it's the only output I get
[14:15] <mvo> hm, for me getting reviews is super slow currently
[14:15] <mvo> ok
[14:15] <didrocks> yeah, getting reviews is slow
[14:16] <didrocks> scalability issue?
[14:17] <mvo> I ask in #is now, its really really really slow
[14:18] <seb128> didrocks, do we have a public faq or askubuntu or something about systray in unity?
[14:18] <mvo> didrocks: could you please run: " /usr/share/software-center/report_review.py --review-id 1 --debug
[14:18] <mvo> " and tell me if that outputs anything interessting?
[14:18] <seb128> didrocks, something we can use as stock reply for "the systray for that application doesn't show in natty"
[14:18] <didrocks> mvo: sure
[14:18] <didrocks> seb128: I'll have a quick look then, didn't see one, but yeah, good idea
[14:19] <seb128> didrocks, I guess I can point to http://askubuntu.com/questions/30742/how-do-i-access-the-system-tray
[14:20] <seb128> or http://askubuntu.com/questions/19846/adding-icon-to-the-system-tray-notification-area
[14:20] <didrocks> seb128: right, it has a quality answer, maybe just need editing
[14:20] <didrocks> seb128: they need to be duped
[14:20] <seb128> they are not exactly the same bug
[14:20] <didrocks> mvo: nothing apart from a /usr/share/software-center/softwarecenter/SimpleGtkbuilderApp.py:31: GtkWarning: Could not load image 'softwarecenter': Failed to open file '/usr/share/software-center/ui/softwarecenter': No such file or directory
[14:20] <didrocks>   self.builder.add_from_file(path)
[14:20] <seb128> one example how to port to the indicator system
[14:21] <seb128> the other one how to whitelist a systray
[14:21] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, the title is misleading
[14:21] <mvo> didrocks: nothing about the worker thread or anything like tihs?
[14:22] <didrocks> mvo: nothing, (for the last minute), just got: DEBUG:root:report_abuse mode and then the line I pasted above
[14:23] <didrocks> mvo: were you the one trying to convince me using that instead of desktopcouch IIRC? :-)
[14:25] <didrocks> (still nothing more, I think I can close it now?)
[14:25] <mvo> didrocks: please keep it open
[14:25] <didrocks> sure :)
[14:25] <mvo> didrocks: what its doing is to fire a "whoami" call to ubuntu sso, that is apparently taking ages for you
[14:26] <didrocks> mvo: hum, let me try to open ubuntuone control panel then
[14:27] <mvo> didrocks: good idea, please
[14:27] <didrocks> logged
[14:27] <didrocks> and I have my infos
[14:27] <mvo> didrocks: so that is quick?
[14:27] <didrocks> yeah, like a second…
[14:27] <didrocks> didn't see the splashscreen event this time (and I didn't started it before)
[14:27] <didrocks> even*
[14:29] <mvo> didrocks: what about: "PYTHONPATH=/usr/share/software-center/ python /usr/share/software-center/softwarecenter/backend/restfulclient.py sso" ?does that show whoami info  quickly as well?
[14:31] <didrocks> mvo: it asks me to create an account, so I must not be logged
[14:31] <didrocks> weel create an account/log in
[14:31] <didrocks> let me try to log in
[14:31] <mvo> didrocks: could you lease login?
[14:31] <didrocks> ok, whoamI received
[14:32] <didrocks> let me try the report_view.py
[14:32] <didrocks> mvo: seems still the same :(
[14:34] <mvo> didrocks: hmmmmm, let me look at the code closer
[14:35] <didrocks> mvo: sure, just ping me if you need testing :)
[14:43] <mvo> didrocks: could you please try again? if still nothing, could you please "bzr get lp:software-center ; cd software-center;  PYTHONPATH=. python utils/report_review.py --review-id 1 --datadir ./data --debug " ?
[14:44] <didrocks> mvo: sure, trying
[14:47] <didrocks> mvo: so, wasn't working, tried trunk and I get: DEBUG:root:login()
[14:47] <didrocks> but then nothing
[14:47] <didrocks> (not the other debug output you added)
[14:51] <mvo> didrocks: could you plesae bzr up and run it again? more debug output hopefully (r1752)
[14:52] <didrocks> mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600753/
[14:52] <mvo> didrocks: there we go, iz sso bug ;)
[14:53] <didrocks> mvo: exactly! :-)
[14:53] <didrocks> encoding for the love :)
[14:53] <seb128> it's always nessita's fault
[14:53] <mvo> didrocks: but IZ softwarecenter issue for not reporting it propery :(
[14:53] <mvo> didrocks: let me switch to french to see if I can reproduce it
[14:53] <didrocks> mvo: you are taking risks :-)
[14:54] <mvo> haha
[14:54] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, but she dare have something working for her application! It's nasty :-)
[14:54] <mvo> nasty narwahl
[14:54] <didrocks> heh :-)
[14:56] <mvo> didrocks: yep, can reproduce
[14:56] <didrocks> \o/
[14:56] <seb128> ok, so it's true, it's mvo being a french hater!
[14:56] <mvo> thanks YOU very much
[14:56] <mvo> \o/ didrocks
[14:56] <seb128> mvo, no tea for you until that's fixed! ;-)
[14:56] <didrocks> mvo: thanks for adding the debug info :-)
[14:57] <didrocks> seb128: right, I have some rating to make on USC :-)
[14:57] <mvo> seb128: only partly my fault
[14:58] <mvo> no nessita around today?
[14:58] <seb128> mvo, you and nessita right?
[14:58] <seb128> she must be hidding in shame!
[14:58] <seb128> ;-)
[14:58] <mvo> well, I was not aware that I am not allowed to use non-ascii with sso ;)
[14:59] <seb128> seems like a bug indeed
[15:01] <mvo> seb128: who else from the team might be able to tell me if its something I should fix or something that needs fixing inside the sso-client? beside her :)
[15:02] <seb128> mvo, calendar says she has a swap day today, maybe check on the u1 channel?
[15:35] <seb128> hum, does anybody has an opinion on how to handle GNOME3 updates on the vcs?
[15:35] <seb128> should we bzr merge the gnome3-team vcs, i.e keep the history of those commit in the official vcs?
[15:35] <didrocks> maybe rodrigo_? as we have some forks of our branches, but as i didn't follow that closely
[15:36] <seb128> what I'm leaning toward now is to do bzr merge, commit, clean a bit, drop ppa uploads from the changelog and summarize in one and upload
[15:36] <didrocks> seems good to me
[15:36] <seb128> then maybe an extra "rebase on debian" before uploading
[15:36] <seb128> but that would keep the contributions history and do a clean upload as well
[15:36] <seb128> let's do that
[15:38] <Laney> why drop the ppa stuff? part of the package's history isn't it?
[15:38] <Laney> you'd keep debian changelog entries
[15:40] <Laney> also and less bikesheddy, we are thinking about landing mono 2.10 sooner rather than later. There will be some associated FTBFS which we will fix ASAP
[15:40] <seb128> yeah, ftfbs are fine don't worry about those yet
[15:40] <seb128> Laney, because we do that for desktop usually, we drop the ubuntu changelog entries when we rebase on debian, we just add one which summarize the diff
[15:40] <Laney> ok fair enough
[15:40] <seb128> especially nowadays that changelog are stripped to 10 entries anyway
[15:41] <Laney> it'll be in vcs history anyway
[15:41] <seb128> Laney, not to count that lot of the those changelog uploads have poor quality changelogs
[15:41] <seb128> it's also work to merge GNOME3 changelogs from debian and the ppa over our 2.32 and doesn't seem worth it
[15:43] <Laney> well there are tools to merge changelogs, i'd hope that bzr merge-package uses them, but really I was just suggesting an idea, don't worry about it :-)
[15:43] <Laney> is the plan to drop gtk2 from the cd this cycle?
[15:43] <seb128> well it works when you have 2 vcs
[15:44] <seb128> but we have 3 series there which evolved in different way
[15:44] <seb128> natty, ppa, debian
[15:44] <seb128> so the 3 series merge in one is not obvious
[15:44] <seb128> gtk2 from the CD... let's see at UDS, it's a bit early to have a visibility on that
[15:44] <seb128> we would like to but I'm not sure how things like libreoffice or firefox will get those
[15:45] <seb128> or mono bindings
[15:45] <Laney> mono gtk#3 is being worked on
[15:45] <seb128> we will have "port as much as we can to gtk3" as a goal
[15:45] <Laney> there's a branch of banshee with a port
[15:45] <seb128> I'm not sure it's realistic to get it done in one cycle
[15:45] <mvo> didrocks: I do a SRU with the LANGUAGE=fr fix now (if os.environ["LANGUAGE"] == "fr": del os.environ["LANGUAGE"]). should make hte review stuff work soonish
[15:45] <seb128> especially that it will be mixing with python3 and gi ports
[15:46] <seb128> mvo, you want to make friends today? ;-)
[15:46] <mvo> lol
[15:46] <mvo> lalalalala
[15:47] <seb128> mvo, did you try the u1 channel?
[15:47] <seb128> rodrigo_, hey
[15:47] <didrocks> mvo: nice way to handle this :-)
[15:47] <seb128> rodrigo_, I did a bunch of GNOME syncs to oneiric already btw
[15:47] <pitti> good bye everyone, have a nice weekend!
[15:47] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah, cool
[15:47] <seb128> libwnck3 and some other gnome3 libs
[15:47] <seb128> pitti, have fun!
[15:47] <didrocks> mvo: but even if you remove the env variable for the sign in, we keep being French deep in our hearts :-)
[15:48] <rodrigo_> pitti, have a good move :)
[15:48] <didrocks> pitti: good luck with your move ;) enjoy your week-end
[15:48] <rodrigo_> seb128, should we update the etherpad page with what has been done?
[15:48] <mvo> bye pitti!
[15:49] <seb128> rodrigo_, well, we have the versions page for what has been done
[15:49] <rodrigo_> ah, ok
[15:49] <seb128> rodrigo_, I think we don't need extra manual work, the etherpad is rather for comments and notes
[15:50] <rodrigo_> seb128, and what about 'I'm working on this...'? I thought it was for not duplicating work
[15:51] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes, that can and should go there
[15:51] <rodrigo_> ok
[15:51] <seb128> rodrigo_, I've added that I work on eog there
[15:52] <seb128> rodrigo_, I didn't feel like syncs would be work on things that would get duplicates
[15:52] <seb128> duplicated
[15:52] <seb128> it just needs someone to run the sync command which I can do so I did those ;-)
[15:52] <seb128> rodrigo_, I can sync libgnomekbd if you want
[15:52] <seb128> I think it should have no ubuntu diff
[15:52] <rodrigo_> seb128, oh, cool, because I think it doesn0t have any diff
[15:52] <rodrigo_> yeah, go ahead
[15:52] <seb128> ok
[16:02] <ricotz> seb128, hi
[16:02] <seb128> hey ricotz
[16:02] <seb128> ricotz, how are you?
[16:03] <ricotz> i just switched to the oneiric repo and noticed the avahi upload, it will need the gtk3 patch which is in the gnome3 ppa
[16:03] <ricotz> seb128, i am fine, pretty busy with other stuff :(
[16:03] <ricotz> seb128, how are you?
[16:03] <seb128> ricotz, I'm fine thanks
[16:03] <ricotz> looks like you are excited with the new cycle start
[16:04] <seb128> ricotz, right, I added a workitem for you about that on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-reduce-number-patches-packages
[16:04] <ricotz> meaning switching to gnome3 ;)
[16:04] <seb128> ;-)
[16:04] <seb128> ricotz, though the debian guys were discussing that on #debian-gnome today so it might redo it from scratch in a different way, we should send such patches to debian to avoid that happening if we can
[16:05] <seb128> "so they might redo it"
[16:05] <seb128> lol
[16:05] <seb128> just when I was writing that mbieil said he uploaded to debian with gtk3
[16:05] <ricotz> looks like mbiebl does it already
[16:05] <seb128> so I guess I can drop the workitem and we will need to resync on them
[16:05] <ricotz> ;)
[16:06] <seb128> well shame that you both did the same work still
[16:06] <seb128> could you try to make sure you open a debian bug with the diff when you do such work?
[16:06] <ricotz> right, actually robert did it first
[16:06] <seb128> so we avoid picking different naming and they don't dup work
[16:06] <seb128> I will remind that to him as well when he's online ;-)
[16:07] <ricotz> alright
[16:51] <bcurtiswx> congrats on the release everyone :)
[17:06] <seb128> hey nessita
[17:06] <nessita> hey seb128, how are you?
[17:06] <seb128> nessita, I'm fine, how are you? what are you doing there, you are not supposed to be having a swap day today? ;-)
[17:06] <nessita> I am! I'm checking that everything is OK
[17:07] <nessita> since I travel to Europe next Monday
[17:07] <seb128> nessita, you broke things for mvo and didrocks they were looking for you earlier
[17:07] <didrocks> seb128: you don't like french people, do you? :-)
[17:07] <nessita> seb128: I did?
[17:07] <nessita> didrocks: did I?
[17:08] <seb128> nessita, sso not liking being given non-ascii strings it seems, that breaks french users
[17:08] <seb128> didrocks, that was for nessita I guess ;-)
[17:08] <nessita> but... how come this did not come up to light before?
[17:08] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, mind broken this time, not weechat :-)
[17:09] <didrocks> nessita: so french users can't authenticate for ratings and review in USC
[17:09] <didrocks> was working for beta1 at least
[17:09] <seb128> nessita, well I guess testing doesn't cover everything
[17:09] <nessita> didrocks: we haven't changed SSO code in a while... so I'm wondering why this is coming to light just now
[17:10] <nessita> didrocks: anyways, I'm happy to fix (next week) if I have a bug report with the trace and the steps to reproduce :-)
[17:10] <didrocks> nessita: mvo workarounded it for now I guess
[17:10] <seb128> nessita, check the bug mvo opened, but not sure that was working before
[17:10] <didrocks> so no pressure :-)
[17:10] <nessita> ok then :-)
[17:11] <nessita> ok, I see the bug: [Bug 773214] software evaluation impossible
[17:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 773214 in software-center "software evaluation impossible" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773214
[17:11] <seb128> nessita, right
[17:11] <nessita> I'll work on that next week, from Your Time Zone :-P
[17:11] <seb128> nessita, well it could that mvo was not sending the translated name before
[17:11] <seb128> or that the translations were not uptodate
[17:12] <seb128> nessita, ok ;-)
[17:12] <nessita> oh, I'm reading the report
[17:12] <mvo> nessita: we see each other in budapest next week
[17:12] <mvo> :)
[17:12] <nessita> and the app name is not supposed to change (mvo is sending the translated version of the ap name)
[17:12] <nessita> mvo: hey there, I'm reading your report
[17:12] <didrocks> jcastro: working at 9PM on wednesday at UDS?
[17:13] <mvo> nessita: well, its a user visible thing
[17:13] <jcastro> didrocks: fixing that, that's an optional plenary Q+A with mark
[17:13] <jcastro> didrocks: don't worry I won't take your beer time away
[17:14] <didrocks> jcastro: was starting to be scared of that \o/
[17:14] <nessita> mvo: right, the thing is that we don't support that the app name changes, so in order to solve that, we should implement the feature (already filled) to be able send the app id to be used to access the keyring, and a free string to be shown as the dialog box header (and there you can send whatever translated string)
[17:15] <nessita> the bug tracking that request is:
[17:15] <nessita> bug #762846
[17:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 762846 in ubuntu-translations "The application name shows untranslated in the "Create account" dialog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/762846
[17:16] <nessita> and is a new feature, so we'll implement it for O. we need to find a way to make this work for N though... I may make a patch that does not break existent APIs
[17:19] <mvo> ok, I removed the _() for now in s-c
[17:20] <nessita> right
[17:21] <nessita> mvo: I'll think in a better workaround and I'll comment in the bug. Are you using the new dbus iface or the old one?
[17:21] <nessita> that is, are you calling "login_to_get_credentials" or "login"?
[17:22] <mvo> login() and login_or_register()
[17:26] <nessita> mvo: hem... there is no login_or_register method, in the new iface we have the login() method or register() method. In the old one, login_to_get_crendetials or login_or_register_to_get_credentials() :-) So, if you are using the old ones (suffixed with "to_get_credentials"), I will surely not be able to change the API. If you're using the new ones (which receive a DBus dictionary to be flexible about parameters), I can add a new pa
[17:28] <mvo> hrm, so its self.proxy.login_or_register_to_get_credentials/self.proxy.login_to_get_credentials
[17:29] <nessita> right, old iface :-/
[17:29] <mvo> nessita: I can update that in my code
[17:29] <mainerror> o/
[17:29] <nessita> mvo: if you can, let's wait until next week when I provide this new param
[17:29] <mvo> nessita: ok, cool
[17:29] <nessita> mvo: and we can do this IRL ;-)
[17:29] <mvo> !
[17:29] <mvo> :)
[17:31] <dobey> nessita: so there is a still a bug there that we need to fix, regardless of whether it's being translated or not. but we can discuss in budapest if you want
[17:33] <nessita> dobey: not sure what you mean with "there is a still a bug there that we need to fix". Can  you please specify what bug do you mean? (other than not supporting translated app names, since the app name acts as a key for ussoc)
[17:33] <mvo> thanks for your help nessita and dobey, for now it should be taken care of (with the removal of _()) and hte rest we can fix together in budapest
[17:34] <nessita> mvo: right
[17:37] <dobey> nessita: i mean untranslated app names can still be non-ASCII
[17:37] <nessita> dobey: right. Yes, I'll look into that next week.
[17:37] <nessita> and yes, I will propose SRU for natty and maybe maverick, if needed
[17:38] <nessita> well, I'm off now, back to my hard task of putting my house in order!
[17:38] <nessita> bye all, see ya next week
[17:38] <seb128> nessita, bye, see you next week!
[17:39]  * nessita waves
[17:39] <dobey> see you in hungary nessita
[17:39] <mvo> see you
[17:47] <bcurtiswx> ah yes, what sprint is next week?
[17:47] <bcurtiswx> UX?
[17:47] <bcurtiswx> DX?
[18:02] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, yes
[18:02] <kenvandine> both :)
[18:02] <seb128> U1 as well
[18:02] <bcurtiswx> cool!
[18:03] <kenvandine> and launchpad too right?
[18:03] <kenvandine> going to be lots of folks there i guess :)
[18:03] <bcurtiswx> is that why wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-O attendees section is small? :P
[18:03] <kenvandine> i noticed that too
[18:03] <kenvandine> seems really weak this time
[18:06] <bcurtiswx> yeah, sometime this week i have to get transport from airport to hotel setup, cjohnston and I are sharing the price on the way back since we both have the same flight
[18:07] <kenvandine> cool
[18:07]  * dobey hopes the u1 sessions get approved soon
[18:07] <Sarvatt> bcurtiswx: there's 8 of us on the canonical wiki on your same flight too
[18:08] <bcurtiswx> Sarvatt, there or back or what?
[18:08] <Sarvatt> and many many more on the flight back
[18:08] <bcurtiswx> well then why don't I just get in on your transport?
[18:08] <bcurtiswx> if thats possible/OK
[18:08] <dobey> kenvandine, bcurtiswx: the wiki page list might be small because of the change to the new form submission system
[18:09] <Sarvatt> well 10 on the flight back
[18:09]  * Sarvatt is just taking the shuttle
[18:09] <bcurtiswx> shuttle is free?
[18:10] <Sarvatt> nope 12 euros
[18:10] <dobey> i am pretty sure there are more than 6 people attending UDS :)
[18:10] <bcurtiswx> well, since it's in Budapest, I'd hope they accept FOrints (since thats what I have) :P
[18:10] <Sarvatt> bcurtiswx: Airport: Budapest International airport (http://www.bud.hu/english/)
[18:10] <Sarvatt> To get to the Hotel from the Airport people can take a shuttle bus that will drop them off right at the Corinthia (http://www.airportshuttle.hu/). The ticket costs 12Euros one way and 19Euros return and can be purchased at the airport directly. Journey time is approx. 45/50 min. Alternatively, if you are travelling with other 4-5 colleagues, you may be able to share a taxi van, which should costs approximately 40Euros.
[18:11] <bcurtiswx> i guess i'll most likely just play sheep and follow most of you wherever you go
[18:15] <bcurtiswx> Sarvatt, you've reserved online already I would assume ?
[18:15] <Sarvatt> bcurtiswx: nope, was planning on doing the same as you actually :)
[18:16] <dobey> well at least it is *in* budapest :)
[18:17] <dobey> my budapest flights are annoying though. 2 layovers both ways
[18:18] <bcurtiswx> DCA to NYC to BUD, can't complain
[18:21] <Sarvatt> bcurtiswx: you're going from DCA too? :)
[18:21] <bcurtiswx> yup
[18:21] <bcurtiswx> live in Falls Church, VA
[18:21] <Sarvatt> woodbridge VA here, just moved from old town alexandria
[18:21] <dobey> heh
[18:21] <dobey> all you DC people
[18:22] <bcurtiswx> Sarvatt, good to see you survived the tornado
[18:22] <Sarvatt> AA3837 too?
[18:23] <dobey> i guess i should find some DC canonical/ubuntu people to meet up for beer next time i go to dc
[18:23] <bcurtiswx> i have a friend that lives in apartment just south of the occoquan (sp?) whom i visit occasionally
[18:23] <bcurtiswx> dobey, we meet nearly every saturday at Taste of India off of the woddley park metro exit
[18:23] <bcurtiswx> around 5:00PM
[18:23] <bcurtiswx> woodley*
[18:24] <bcurtiswx> Sarvatt, why don't you hang out in our LoCo channel? since you're close enough to be a part
[18:24] <dobey> bcurtiswx: is that /in/ DC proper?
[18:24] <bcurtiswx> dobey, correct
[18:25] <bcurtiswx> Sarvatt, yup 3837 there and 3845 back
[18:27] <bcurtiswx> all the DC canonical employees (well anyone for this matter) should be in #ubuntu-us-dc
[18:28] <bcurtiswx> it's the cool place to be </plug>
[18:31] <bcurtiswx> for collaborative purposes, shouldn't we combine the canonical and UDS-O attendee wiki ? or is there some special reason they're separated ?
[18:31] <bcurtiswx> at least the travel itinerary stuff
[18:31] <bcurtiswx> (since idk what on the canonical one)
[18:35] <dobey> man openstreetmap needs someone to donate a usable web site
[18:35] <dobey> bcurtiswx: i don't think we're using wikis for that any more
[18:37] <bcurtiswx> dobey, hmm. OK.
[18:37] <bcurtiswx> maybe i'll just walk around the terminal finding out where other UDS-O people are, if not flash my Ubuntu desktop around ;)
[18:38] <Laney> used to be good having a list of when everyone was arriving
[18:38] <Laney> i guess i'll just head for the shuttle
[18:41] <bcurtiswx> Wiki's with flight info help the newbies like me, collaborate with others at least.  I'll just walk around Reagan until I find Sarvatt
[18:42] <nigelb> bcurtiswx: lol
[18:42] <nigelb> I should add my details, but I'll do that once I'm actually sure I'm going
[18:42] <dobey> bcurtiswx: just wear an ubuntu shirt.
[18:43] <bcurtiswx> im lacking in the Ununtu shirt department :P
[18:43] <bcurtiswx> Ubuntu* even
[18:43] <nigelb> bcurtiswx: Just look like a geek, y'know, generally. :p
[18:43] <bcurtiswx> i can look like a geek, backpack with huge laptop with an Ubuntu logo on it
[18:43] <nigelb> that works :p
[18:44] <nigelb> I'm goign to wear my ubuntu t-shirt for the trip, to be on the safe side ;)
[18:44] <Laney> nigelb: getting a bit close?!
[18:45] <nigelb> Laney: hrm?
[18:45] <nigelb> Laney: I need to go through the drama called 'visa application' ^-^
[18:45] <Laney> as in, haven't you had to book flights and accommodation?
[18:45] <Laney> :-O
[18:46] <nigelb> and that's happening next week.
[18:46] <Laney> does it require an interview or something?
[18:46] <nigelb> so until next thursday, I dunno if I'll make it even though I have tickets and hotel reservation
[18:46] <nigelb> Yeah, I have an appointment with the consulate on Monday
[18:47] <nigelb> I fly to the capital on sunday, submit documents, and pray that (a) they approve (b) they approve and give passport back to me before thursday.
[18:47] <nigelb> (embassy opens only on Mon, Wed, Thu)
[18:48] <nigelb> someday, I'll abolish visas :P
[21:56] <kenvandine> LP is killing me today
[22:07] <lifeless> kenvandine: oh?
[22:07] <kenvandine> lots of failures
[22:07] <kenvandine> right now it isn't letting me upload to a ppa
[22:08] <kenvandine> i figured it was just the day after 11.04 flood
[22:09] <cyphermox> I haven't been able to upload to the NM ppa either, and there's something like a 16 h backlog
[22:09] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i noticed that too. it took a whole day for my firefox-stable updates to get built
[22:09] <chrisccoulson> did we lose some PPA builders?
[22:09] <kenvandine> i am getting connection refused errors right now
[22:10] <kenvandine> Connection failed, aborting. Check your network [Errno 111] Connection refused
[22:10] <chrisccoulson> wow, 2 day backlog on amd64 now ;)
[22:10] <cyphermox> yeah ;)
[22:11] <lifeless> kenvandine: see #is, #launchpad etc topics
[22:11] <kenvandine> ah :)
[22:11] <lifeless> kenvandine: release day traffic caused an overload of ppa.l.n which is only partially rectified and is in progress
[22:11] <kenvandine> lifeless, that is basically what i was assuming
[22:13] <lifeless> should only be uploads that are down
[22:13] <lifeless> you can upload it to upload.ubuntu.com instead
[22:13] <kenvandine> i was getting 404s for a while trying to install from it
[22:13] <kenvandine> but that is working now
[22:13] <lifeless> if you haven't successfully uploaded it at all
[22:14] <lifeless> if you've uploaded it but its not showing up, then its hurry-up-and-wait time
[22:14] <kenvandine> not uploaded at all
[22:14] <kenvandine> but it is eod... i'll try again later tonight :)
[22:14] <kenvandine> time to go play with the kids :-D