=== broder_ is now known as broder [03:06] RAOF: Are you aware that pygtk has an ubuntu desktop packaging branch, which you should have access to? [03:07] TheMuso: No :) [03:07] Well, I am now. [03:07] no problem, I'll put it in the branch for now, but just a heads up for next time. [03:07] Actually... [03:08] Let me see if there is a branch for natty [03:08] i.e a branch for updates... [03:08] Mmmm. [03:09] Seems not. [03:09] Let me see if there is a convention elsewhere for other packages re stable release branches. [03:11] Hrm ok seems not. Thats disappointing. [03:13] This is one of the cases where git's colocated branch model is quite nice. [03:15] Yep. [03:15] I agree. [03:15] Anyway, running a test build, and will upload if all is well. [03:15] Ta. [03:37] RAOF: uploaded. [03:37] Ta muchly. [03:38] np [04:38] hi, anyone knows a way to activate the wobbly windows on unity without making the interface crash? [04:39] That did'nt get fixed for release? Bah! [04:39] no, i acctivate theh effect and the upper panel crashed x.x [04:39] And then came back, right? [04:39] yes, but some pieces where missing [04:42] Well, wobbly windows should remain enabled, so that'll only happen once :( [04:43] ok, i will give it a try [04:44] it worked o.o... well, thanks for the help ^^ [07:00] good morning === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:08] would anyone do me a massive favour by walking me through how to update and build a simple gnome module with the latest upstream release? I need yelp-xsl 3.0.1 to build the Ubuntu documentation for help.ubuntu.com, and only 3.0.0 is in the archive [08:08] Good morning [08:09] morning pitti :) [08:09] congrats on the release [08:09] hey mdke, good morning [08:09] mdke: congrats to you, too! [08:10] congrats all round [08:12] Good morning and happy royal wedding day to all british subjects! [08:12] Sweetshark: oh, it's today? [08:12] yay for a free public holiday [08:13] the couple won't talk about anything else than the shiny new Untity all day anyway! [08:14] the streets will be deserted with everyone trying Ubuntu 11.04 [08:15] all those police for nothing [08:15] pitti: I have packaged a lo-menubar version fixing bug 754562 as lo-menubar_0.1.1~pre1-0ubuntu1. Ok to upload that to https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa for testing? [08:15] Launchpad bug 754562 in lo-menubar "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_lookup()" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/754562 [08:20] ok, have figured it out - that is amazingly straightforward [08:21] update changelog + bzr-buildpackage [08:21] Sweetshark: you don't need my ack for uploading to a PPA :) [08:22] pitti: well, yeah. It just that I am hijacking the release fom the DX team (or lo-menubar rockstars) [08:28] good morning pitti, Sweetshark [08:31] bonjour didrocks [08:34] hey didrocks pitti [08:34] salut seb128 [08:36] hum, pitti's uploads to oneiric? [08:36] is it open yet? ;-) [08:37] seb128: frozen, but you can upload [08:37] why frozen? [08:38] great my versions update worked, I could test it yesterday since there was no oneiric apt index on the archive yet [08:39] (if you wonder why the list is small it's because there is no oneiric germinate yet [08:39] so most of the content is hidden since it shows mostly the germinate list by default [08:41] seb128: toolchain is still being prepared [08:41] how come you got updates in? ;-) [08:41] but ok, I've some syncs to do but I guess I will wait to not hijack the freeze [08:42] seb128: I have no idea who accepted them [08:43] good morning didrocks, I've got a couple of unity questions for you if you're around :) [08:44] dpm: sure! [08:44] good morning ;) [08:44] hey dpm [08:44] :) [08:44] hey pitti, morning [08:45] hey dpm [08:45] oh adding oneiric-changes to ML subcription, nice idea! [08:45] dpm, you can ask on the channel even if didrocks is not there btw, others can probably reply as well [08:47] hey seb128, good morning! - I'll do that then, I just felt like pinging didrocks in case he was still sleeping :) [08:48] it's already more than 2 hours that I'm connected :) [08:48] I guess now is fine, but at some moment of the cycle people feel highlight stress on IRC because they keep being pinged, people should just ask on the channels ;-) [08:48] and let whoever has time reply [08:48] anyway, you had questions? ;-) [08:49] sorry, yeah, it was now me who got pinged in PM :) [08:51] so the first question is that I've got a laptop which at some point in the cycle got the Applications, Places and System menus folded into the Ubuntu icon at the top left hand side in the gnome panel (classic session) - how can I reset it so that it has the 3 Applications, Places, System menus visible again? [08:51] dpm: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/pane [08:51] urgh [08:51] dpm: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel [08:51] cool, thanks :) [08:51] that will reset all your panel configuration :) [08:51] or you can remove the applet and add the menubar one [08:52] if you don't want to reset your whole layout [08:52] oh, I'm fine with resetting [08:54] then the next one is that due to a bug I cannot run Unity on that laptop with nvidia, but I got to run it with nouveau fine. I had been using it ok until today when I upgraded a bunch of packages (I hadn't kept it up to date since a week ago or so). Now I get the dialog that tells me that unity cannot be run on that system, so it falls back to classic. I'm not sure what's going on, as it had been running unity fine for a while - is there a way to over [08:54] ride that check, or what would you suggest? [08:55] dpm: geforce 7300/7400? [08:55] hmmm, I am having a strange Ubuntu only issue: "LANGUAGE=C LC_ALL=C gcc -print-file-name=libgcc_s.so.1" according to the man-page should print a full path, but does not. And it seems to be a ubuntu only issue. [08:55] didrocks, huh, I think so, let me check... [08:55] dpm: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p [08:56] if it's 7300/7400, it will tell you it's blacklisted [08:56] didrocks, yeah, it's 7300 [08:56] (Not in backlist: no) [08:56] But only on nvidia-current, right? [08:56] RAOF: no, blacklist is by pcid [08:57] Oh. Ah. [08:57] what's up with that card, though, why is it blacklisted? [08:57] dpm: I've written about that on askubuntu yesterday, one sec [08:57] dpm: freeze at startup with nvidia-current [08:57] RAOF: I confirm that some people confirms it works fine with 173 [08:57] RAOF: so, it's a 270 issue [08:58] dpm: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37629/geforce-go-7300-7400-blacklisted-can-i-still-run-unity [08:58] didrocks, oh, that was the bug I've had throughout the cycle with nvidia-current! [08:58] dpm: yeah, hence the blacklist road right now :/ [08:58] * RAOF thinks the blacklist should be on the (pciid, driver) pair. [08:59] RAOF: yeah, but it was too late :/ [08:59] RAOF: so, it will be sweet that we know what happens with that driver for that card [08:59] RAOF: and why the old driver still works… [08:59] dpm: will you bring it at UDS? [09:00] didrocks, for reference, it was bug 726496 - I was not planning to do so, but if that helps debugging, I'll be glad to bring it [09:00] Launchpad bug 726496 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "Cannot use Unity or Classic desktop with effects after the latest nvidia+xorg update" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726496 [09:01] dpm: I added the link [09:02] RAOF: will that help if dpm brings it at UDS? or should you just start discussing with nvidia about it? [09:04] didrocks, where did you add the link to? [09:04] to the bug report [09:04] RAOF: so, it will be sweet that we know what happens with that driver for that card [09:04] RAOF: and why the old driver still works… [09:04] RAOF: will that help if dpm brings it at UDS? or should you just start discussing with nvidia about it? [09:05] morning [09:06] hey rodrigo_ [09:12] good morning everyone [09:13] hi didrocks, chrisccoulson [09:13] hey chrisccoulson ;) [09:13] hey rodrigo_ chrisccoulson [09:13] hi seb128 [09:15] hi rodrigo_, didrocks, seb128 [09:15] how are you today? [09:15] I'm fine thanks, you? [09:15] I'm fine as well [09:16] isn't today the day where you are supposed to sit in the garden drinken beer and watching the weeding on TV? ;-) [09:17] seb128: and Monday is off for them too! [09:17] right [09:18] then, they are laughing about french holidays… [09:18] hey chrisccoulson, happy holiday! [09:18] hi pitti! thanks ;) [09:18] I know what to answer now :p [09:19] seb128, yeah, i'm meant to be sitting in the garden drinking beer, but i think i'll give the wedding a miss ;) [09:19] ;-) [09:19] the weather is pretty miserable today though, so, no garden :( [09:19] i guess i'll just have to sit inside with my fingers in my ears ;) [09:19] ok so back in sitting in the couch to drink beer? [09:19] lol [09:19] well, as long as there is beer drinking :p [09:20] * pitti looks at the bright sun and blue sky outside and commiserates the English weaher [09:20] weather, too [09:26] hello pitti, I started porting aptdaemon client to gdbus. But I don't understand how I can access the properties [09:27] of the gdbusproxy [09:27] glatzor: is that any different from dbus-glib? [09:27] i. e. you call Get() on the org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties interface? [09:28] do I need a second proxy for the properties interface? [09:28] yes [09:28] ah ok. [09:28] did python-dbus have some extra magic for this? [09:28] it doesn't sound too hard to write an override for this, so that myproxy.myproperty will work [09:29] but gdbus itself doesn't have a magic API for tihs [09:30] no. gdbus already provides g-properties-changed and cached properties. So it felt natuarlly to access the properties of the object from the same gdbusproxy instance [09:33] glatzor: ah, I haven't used/seen that yet; perhaps you can file a pygobject gnome bug about it, and I might have a go at it in the train ride to Budapest :) [09:48] oh, so the British get a day off because of the wedding? much better than here, we paid the prince's wedding, but it was on a Saturday, so no holiday and, worst, we weren't invited, even though we paid it!! [09:52] the right way to do it is to cut some heads [09:53] that's what we did there! ;-) [09:53] yeah, we should learn from the French indeed :) [09:53] having a king is such an obsolete thing indeed [09:53] king or queen :) [10:02] rodrigo_: unless you are king yourself of course ... [10:04] pitti, bug #747796 is puzzling [10:04] Launchpad bug 747796 in pygobject "gnome-language-selector crashes after a fresh install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/747796 [10:04] pitti, it seems somewhat due to translations [10:06] there is another user who confirm the issue and say "The problem appears to be the letter uppercase dotted "I", which is a Turkish only character." [10:06] I still don't get why it would make the chars be changed... [10:08] dpm, ^ does that one makes sense to you? [10:15] seb128, not really, no :( I don't understand why the Turkish i translations can change the code [10:16] also, unrelated, but I'm getting this with g-l-s: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/600622/ [10:17] hum, I start hatting those UnicodeDecodeError [10:17] what is wrong with python and encoding? [10:17] seb128: yeah, this is totally dubious to me [10:17] seb128: it's not utf8 by default in python2 [10:18] seb128: an uppercase ASCII 'I' should remain an 'I' in any locale [10:18] pitti, well, we got 2 users having the issue now, I was leaning toward a local corruption before the other user comments [10:18] seb128: I'll see to reproducing this locally and investigate, I guess somewhere in the code or overrides is an extra char conversion [10:18] but not today [10:18] I haven't actually tested a Turkish locale yet [10:19] didrocks, well encoding changed in 2.7 [10:19] didrocks, we didn't have those issues with 2.6 [10:20] oh really? didn't follow that [10:20] just still .encode() manually for most part when interacting with 3rd part, like launchpadlib here :( [10:27] pitti - i hit a confusing issue with my language packs last night (they didn't work at all) :( [10:28] it seems that some translations are incomplete, and in that case, the firefox build system can merge in en-US translations, but it wouldn't let me do that [10:28] and then i realised i needed http://hg.mozilla.org/build/compare-locales/ installed to make it work :) [10:28] i've got no idea why that isn't part of the build system though.... [10:29] so now i have working translations using xpi's i created myself :) [10:30] and they look identical to the upstream xpi's, which must be a good sign :) [10:32] dpm - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox.translation-branch/revision/809 ;) [10:39] seb128, chrisccoulson: BTW, I won't be around much today, I need to prep my moving tomorrow [10:39] chrisccoulson: awesome! [11:47] ouch, the firefox tarball grew by 40MB [11:50] oh, still not quite as big as chromium then ;) [11:58] oh, i can ditch all the hunspell dictionaries. that's quite a space saving there [12:04] ugh, no space left on my laptop's HD [12:05] I indeed have to many source code checkouts (+ build files) here [12:05] * rodrigo_ cleans [12:09] rodrigo_, that keeps happening to me too [12:10] yeah [12:11] a built firefox source tree is 2GB though ;) [12:11] they take up a fair bit of space [12:12] also, the build-area dirs from using bzr bd seem to take a lot of space also [12:13] is there a way to tell it to use /tmp? [12:16] 4gb cleaned so far and counting! :) [12:26] hello chrisccoulson, do you have a test case for bug 771176 ? [12:26] Launchpad bug 771176 in language-selector "langauge-selector non-functional in natty due to missing gnome-user-guide-xx packages" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771176 [12:26] hola rodrigo_! [12:26] hey pedro_ [12:26] pedro_, how is colocolo going? :) [12:26] pedro_, yeah, open language selector and try to install a new locale :) [12:27] (but you must have gnome-panel installed to test) [12:27] before the fix, you immediately get a dialog warning of missing gnome-user-guide-$LANG packages [12:27] now, you shouldn't get that and you should be able to install extra languages [12:27] rodrigo_, not 'too bad' we're not having a good season but anyways tomorrow is the game against the classic rival so time for revenge! [12:28] pedro_, heh, the chilean madrid-barça? [12:28] chrisccoulson, ah ok will test that, thanks [12:31] rodrigo_, haha yeah something like that, the biggest game in here [12:41] woah, i just shaved 35MB from the firefox source tarball by getting rid of the dictionaries === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:42] chrisccoulson, only 35MB? [12:42] rodrigo_, the tarball was 105MB before ;) [12:43] ah [12:43] brb, need to reboot [12:46] I'm surprised at how quick Oneiric opened up === seiflotfy_ is now known as seiflotfy === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:02] hum [14:02] pitti, oneiric is unfrozen right? [14:03] * rodrigo_ lunch [14:09] waow, 5 uploads in oneiric since I subscribed :) [14:09] seems seb128 is in syncing mode :) [14:10] didrocks, is he? ;-) [14:10] seb128: not sure, asking him :p [14:10] ask* [14:11] ok, so the gpg key isn't set yet for the repo [14:11] can't get my pbuilder chroot initialized [14:12] mvo: FYI: bug #773214 [14:12] Launchpad bug 773214 in software-center "software evaluation impossible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773214 [14:12] I confirm I'm stucked at authentification as well [14:13] didrocks: hm, hm, I wonder if its a no-longer valid token maybe [14:13] didrocks: you can reproduce this? [14:13] mvo: yeah [14:13] didrocks: what does it print on the terminal/.xsession-errors? [14:13] tell you just hate French people :) [14:13] let me see [14:14] let's pick the app I wanted to evaluate [14:14] hum "unity" :-) [14:14] -1 [14:14] *uppppps* [14:14] ;) [14:15] where is "software-center"… :-) [14:15] 2011-04-29 15:14:50,182 - softwarecenter.app - INFO - software-center-agent finished with status 1 [14:15] it's the only output I get [14:15] hm, for me getting reviews is super slow currently [14:15] ok [14:15] yeah, getting reviews is slow [14:16] scalability issue? [14:17] I ask in #is now, its really really really slow [14:18] didrocks, do we have a public faq or askubuntu or something about systray in unity? [14:18] didrocks: could you please run: " /usr/share/software-center/report_review.py --review-id 1 --debug [14:18] " and tell me if that outputs anything interessting? === zyga is now known as zyga-afk [14:18] didrocks, something we can use as stock reply for "the systray for that application doesn't show in natty" [14:18] mvo: sure [14:18] seb128: I'll have a quick look then, didn't see one, but yeah, good idea [14:19] didrocks, I guess I can point to http://askubuntu.com/questions/30742/how-do-i-access-the-system-tray [14:20] or http://askubuntu.com/questions/19846/adding-icon-to-the-system-tray-notification-area [14:20] seb128: right, it has a quality answer, maybe just need editing [14:20] seb128: they need to be duped [14:20] they are not exactly the same bug [14:20] mvo: nothing apart from a /usr/share/software-center/softwarecenter/SimpleGtkbuilderApp.py:31: GtkWarning: Could not load image 'softwarecenter': Failed to open file '/usr/share/software-center/ui/softwarecenter': No such file or directory [14:20] self.builder.add_from_file(path) [14:20] one example how to port to the indicator system [14:21] the other one how to whitelist a systray [14:21] seb128: yeah, the title is misleading [14:21] didrocks: nothing about the worker thread or anything like tihs? [14:22] mvo: nothing, (for the last minute), just got: DEBUG:root:report_abuse mode and then the line I pasted above [14:23] mvo: were you the one trying to convince me using that instead of desktopcouch IIRC? :-) [14:25] (still nothing more, I think I can close it now?) [14:25] didrocks: please keep it open [14:25] sure :) [14:25] didrocks: what its doing is to fire a "whoami" call to ubuntu sso, that is apparently taking ages for you [14:26] mvo: hum, let me try to open ubuntuone control panel then [14:27] didrocks: good idea, please [14:27] logged [14:27] and I have my infos [14:27] didrocks: so that is quick? [14:27] yeah, like a second… [14:27] didn't see the splashscreen event this time (and I didn't started it before) [14:27] even* [14:29] didrocks: what about: "PYTHONPATH=/usr/share/software-center/ python /usr/share/software-center/softwarecenter/backend/restfulclient.py sso" ?does that show whoami info quickly as well? [14:31] mvo: it asks me to create an account, so I must not be logged [14:31] weel create an account/log in [14:31] let me try to log in [14:31] didrocks: could you lease login? [14:31] ok, whoamI received [14:32] let me try the report_view.py [14:32] mvo: seems still the same :( [14:34] didrocks: hmmmmm, let me look at the code closer [14:35] mvo: sure, just ping me if you need testing :) [14:43] didrocks: could you please try again? if still nothing, could you please "bzr get lp:software-center ; cd software-center; PYTHONPATH=. python utils/report_review.py --review-id 1 --datadir ./data --debug " ? [14:44] mvo: sure, trying [14:47] mvo: so, wasn't working, tried trunk and I get: DEBUG:root:login() [14:47] but then nothing [14:47] (not the other debug output you added) [14:51] didrocks: could you plesae bzr up and run it again? more debug output hopefully (r1752) [14:52] mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600753/ [14:52] didrocks: there we go, iz sso bug ;) [14:53] mvo: exactly! :-) [14:53] encoding for the love :) [14:53] it's always nessita's fault [14:53] didrocks: but IZ softwarecenter issue for not reporting it propery :( [14:53] didrocks: let me switch to french to see if I can reproduce it [14:53] mvo: you are taking risks :-) [14:54] haha [14:54] seb128: yeah, but she dare have something working for her application! It's nasty :-) [14:54] nasty narwahl [14:54] heh :-) [14:56] didrocks: yep, can reproduce [14:56] \o/ [14:56] ok, so it's true, it's mvo being a french hater! [14:56] thanks YOU very much [14:56] \o/ didrocks [14:56] mvo, no tea for you until that's fixed! ;-) [14:56] mvo: thanks for adding the debug info :-) [14:57] seb128: right, I have some rating to make on USC :-) [14:57] seb128: only partly my fault [14:58] no nessita around today? [14:58] mvo, you and nessita right? [14:58] she must be hidding in shame! [14:58] ;-) [14:58] well, I was not aware that I am not allowed to use non-ascii with sso ;) [14:59] seems like a bug indeed [15:01] seb128: who else from the team might be able to tell me if its something I should fix or something that needs fixing inside the sso-client? beside her :) [15:02] mvo, calendar says she has a swap day today, maybe check on the u1 channel? === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf === zyga-afk is now known as zyga === bcurtiswx is now known as Guest43338 [15:35] hum, does anybody has an opinion on how to handle GNOME3 updates on the vcs? [15:35] should we bzr merge the gnome3-team vcs, i.e keep the history of those commit in the official vcs? [15:35] maybe rodrigo_? as we have some forks of our branches, but as i didn't follow that closely [15:36] what I'm leaning toward now is to do bzr merge, commit, clean a bit, drop ppa uploads from the changelog and summarize in one and upload [15:36] seems good to me [15:36] then maybe an extra "rebase on debian" before uploading [15:36] but that would keep the contributions history and do a clean upload as well [15:36] let's do that [15:38] why drop the ppa stuff? part of the package's history isn't it? [15:38] you'd keep debian changelog entries [15:40] also and less bikesheddy, we are thinking about landing mono 2.10 sooner rather than later. There will be some associated FTBFS which we will fix ASAP [15:40] yeah, ftfbs are fine don't worry about those yet [15:40] Laney, because we do that for desktop usually, we drop the ubuntu changelog entries when we rebase on debian, we just add one which summarize the diff [15:40] ok fair enough [15:40] especially nowadays that changelog are stripped to 10 entries anyway [15:41] it'll be in vcs history anyway [15:41] Laney, not to count that lot of the those changelog uploads have poor quality changelogs [15:41] it's also work to merge GNOME3 changelogs from debian and the ppa over our 2.32 and doesn't seem worth it [15:43] well there are tools to merge changelogs, i'd hope that bzr merge-package uses them, but really I was just suggesting an idea, don't worry about it :-) [15:43] is the plan to drop gtk2 from the cd this cycle? [15:43] well it works when you have 2 vcs [15:44] but we have 3 series there which evolved in different way [15:44] natty, ppa, debian [15:44] so the 3 series merge in one is not obvious [15:44] gtk2 from the CD... let's see at UDS, it's a bit early to have a visibility on that [15:44] we would like to but I'm not sure how things like libreoffice or firefox will get those [15:45] or mono bindings [15:45] mono gtk#3 is being worked on [15:45] we will have "port as much as we can to gtk3" as a goal [15:45] there's a branch of banshee with a port [15:45] I'm not sure it's realistic to get it done in one cycle [15:45] didrocks: I do a SRU with the LANGUAGE=fr fix now (if os.environ["LANGUAGE"] == "fr": del os.environ["LANGUAGE"]). should make hte review stuff work soonish [15:45] especially that it will be mixing with python3 and gi ports [15:46] mvo, you want to make friends today? ;-) [15:46] lol [15:46] lalalalala [15:47] mvo, did you try the u1 channel? [15:47] rodrigo_, hey [15:47] mvo: nice way to handle this :-) [15:47] rodrigo_, I did a bunch of GNOME syncs to oneiric already btw [15:47] good bye everyone, have a nice weekend! [15:47] seb128, ah, cool [15:47] libwnck3 and some other gnome3 libs [15:47] pitti, have fun! [15:47] mvo: but even if you remove the env variable for the sign in, we keep being French deep in our hearts :-) [15:48] pitti, have a good move :) [15:48] pitti: good luck with your move ;) enjoy your week-end [15:48] seb128, should we update the etherpad page with what has been done? [15:48] bye pitti! [15:49] rodrigo_, well, we have the versions page for what has been done [15:49] ah, ok [15:49] rodrigo_, I think we don't need extra manual work, the etherpad is rather for comments and notes [15:50] seb128, and what about 'I'm working on this...'? I thought it was for not duplicating work [15:51] rodrigo_, yes, that can and should go there [15:51] ok [15:51] rodrigo_, I've added that I work on eog there [15:52] rodrigo_, I didn't feel like syncs would be work on things that would get duplicates [15:52] duplicated [15:52] it just needs someone to run the sync command which I can do so I did those ;-) [15:52] rodrigo_, I can sync libgnomekbd if you want [15:52] I think it should have no ubuntu diff [15:52] seb128, oh, cool, because I think it doesn0t have any diff [15:52] yeah, go ahead [15:52] ok [16:02] seb128, hi [16:02] hey ricotz [16:02] ricotz, how are you? [16:03] i just switched to the oneiric repo and noticed the avahi upload, it will need the gtk3 patch which is in the gnome3 ppa [16:03]