[00:14] <dx9s> I am sure this is the wrong channel but figured this is the channel where developers that build LiveCD images might be.. I'm working on my own LiveCD and got everything working find except on little detail... casper during boot into the squashfs makes an icon on desktop and updates the icon under system for the install to HD... I just want the icon in System -> Administration -> Install (RELEASE)
[00:16] <broder_> dx9s: go look at the scripts in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper-bottom
[00:16] <dx9s> can't seem to find any docs on WHERE that is (Python scripts assuming) and I think it's apart of the ubiquity-casper package that does the actual branding of the icon to the live desktop
[00:16] <broder_> one of them is probably responsible
[00:16] <broder> though i don't know for sure
[00:16] <dx9s> is that in the initrd ?
[00:17] <broder> it's copied there from the real filesystem
[00:17] <dx9s> I'll poke around.. thanks
[00:19] <dx9s> broder, possibly 47une_ubiquity I am thinking
[00:21] <dx9s> broder, or 10adduser
[00:23] <broder> dx9s: i haven't looked at those scripts in a long time, so i can't really provide much more guidance at the moment
[00:23] <dx9s> you've pointed me in the correct direction .. that much is appreciated!
[00:29] <SpamapS> jcastro: ping re: summit
[00:29] <SpamapS> jcastro: 1) https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-o-mysql  <-- that *must* be on Monday
[00:29] <jcastro> SpamapS: yessir
[00:29] <SpamapS> jcastro: 2) edge?! really? ;)
[00:30] <SpamapS> jcastro: does summit take into account when essential people are only registered to be there on a certain day? It looks like summit doesn't list ccharles yet, but he's essential in lp
[00:32] <jcastro> SpamapS: fixed.
[00:32] <jcastro> and yes it does
[00:32] <SpamapS> jcastro: woot! :) ty
[00:32] <dx9s> okay now to remember how to update the initrd from inside the chroot :P
[00:33] <jcastro> SpamapS: we had some import errors, once the cron job runs a few more times we'll be set
[00:33] <jcastro> SpamapS: now that I've moved it by hand summit won't touch it, so you're good to go now
[00:33] <dx9s> update-initramfs -u
[00:34] <dx9s> broder, I think I found the code to comment out... making ISO now and gonna test it soon
[00:34] <dx9s> broder, thanks much
[00:34] <broder> dx9s: np
[00:35] <dx9s> slick .. super slick... it's basically done :P just a little more tweaking broder you rock!!
[01:02] <Sweetshark> kenvandine: ping?
[01:09] <lifeless> ugh, sudoers.d is a massive foot-gun
[01:09] <lifeless> vs visudo
[01:11] <ion> Perhaps there should be a file /etc/sudoers.d.merged which is updated by a dpkg trigger based on files in /etc/sudoers.d and goes via visudo-style checking before getting updated.
[01:12] <lifeless> something like that would have saved me needing to go reboot this box and sit in front of its boot sequence ;)
[01:14] <soren> lifeless: sudo visudo -f /etc/sudoers.d/whatever
[01:14] <soren> lifeless: Not particularly convenient, but usable.
[01:15] <lifeless> soren: should be mentioned in the README of that dir
[01:15] <soren> lifeless: Good point.
[01:16] <soren> lifeless: Are you filing a bug or shall I?
[01:16] <ion> Can multiple sudoers files have unforeseen effects *when combined*? If yes, checking the final combination on the system might be appropriate.
[01:16] <lifeless> soren: I'm trying to decide between interrupting a 6GB rsync of a vm over wifi to reboot and fix my file
[01:16] <lifeless> soren: plus right now I suspect I would use inappropriate language in such a bug report.
[01:17] <lifeless> soren: so, if you could, that would be win.
[01:17] <lifeless> ion: I suspect they can but am not completely sure.
[01:18] <ion> rsync is somewhat good at not doing too much extra work when restarting after being interrupted.
[01:19] <soren> ion: Really?
[01:20] <soren> ion: It syncs into a temporary file. I didn't think it found this temporary file again if it were restarted.
[01:20] <soren> lifeless: bug 772822
[01:21] <james_w`> pitti, cdbs branches should be good to go now
[01:21] <ion> soren: --partial
[01:21] <ion> I always use that, mostly in the form of -P
[01:22] <soren> ion: Hm... ACtually, so do I :)
[01:22] <soren> ion: I just forgot.
[01:22] <soren> ion: Muscle memory makes me always do "rsync -aHAPiv", but I forgot what the P was for :)
[01:29] <TheMuso> @pilot in
[01:42] <lifeless> ion: if you supply --partial *when you start*
[01:51] <soreau> There is a bug I've found in the 11.04 installer. Select manual partitioning, then select and existing partition and select which file system type it is. Now in all other installers, you could type a custom mount point but in 11.04 you cannot. I found a workaround is to copy it into clipboard buffer then right click on the mount point text area and select paste manually
[01:53] <TheMuso> soreau: I suggest filing a bug against ubiquity in launchpad.
[01:53] <soreau> TheMuso: Ok thanks (wasn't sure where to file it)
[01:54] <TheMuso> np
[01:54] <micahg> soreau: I believe it's release noted
[01:55] <micahg> soreau: bug 769043
[01:57] <soreau> Ah yes, was just searching through existing reports on launchpad
[01:57] <soreau> thanks micahg
[02:01] <soreau> Hmm, it didn't find any suitable OS to import settings from. (Not that I wish to import settings, I just hope it actually detects all the other distros installed and configures the boot loader properly)
[05:27] <TheMuso> @pilot out
[07:00] <didrocks> good morning
[07:23] <RAOF> Howdie didrocks
[07:23] <didrocks> hey RAOF! how are you?
[07:23] <RAOF> I'm pretty good.
[07:23] <RAOF> Still amazed at how big my new monitor is.
[07:23] <didrocks> RAOF: oh? you bought a new one?
[07:23] <TheMuso> RAOF: Oh wow you got a new monitor? Cool.
[07:24] <RAOF> Yeah; I got a 24" Dell UltraSharp.
[07:24] <didrocks> nice, which resolution? :)
[07:24] <RAOF> 1920x1080
[07:25] <RAOF> So (disappointingly) around 96 DPI.
[07:25] <RAOF> I don't regret not getting the 27", though :)
[07:25] <TheMuso> Yeah I recently picked up a new 24 inch monitor, as my previous one was starting to fail... Coloured line throught eh centre.
[07:25] <didrocks> my 22'' has the same resolution as well, it's already nice :)
[07:26] <TheMuso> My previous 22 inch that is.
[07:26] <didrocks> (I was with my laptop monitor 17 inch, with 1920x1200), so the zoom in is impressivev ;)
[07:26] <RAOF> It makes the Unity semi-maximise snapping much more useful when the screen is wide enough to have two 80-column windows happily on each side.
[07:29] <StevenK> RAOF: Unity stealing Do's summon key makes me sad.
[07:29] <TheMuso> I'm looking forward to the extra resolution for when I need to magnify stuff.
[07:29] <RAOF> StevenK: It made me sad, too.
[07:29] <RAOF> ctrl+alt+space isn't a bad alternative, and I filed a bug with unity.
[07:30] <StevenK> Can has number?
[07:30] <RAOF> Which looked like it might get resolved for a while.
[07:30] <StevenK> I'd like to subscribe
[07:30] <RAOF> bug #704231
[07:33]  * StevenK glares at his laptop
[07:33] <StevenK> That looks like a GPU hang ...
[07:34] <didrocks> StevenK: blame compiz on the stealing :)
[07:35] <didrocks> StevenK: sam made a branch to fix that, but it was basically breaking everything else…
[07:35] <StevenK> didrocks: I wonder if it is possible to fix safely
[07:36] <didrocks> StevenK: not really, in Oneiric yeah, but in Natty, this will ask for etoomanyrewritings of plugins
[07:36] <StevenK> Grrr, bug spam
[07:36] <didrocks> it's basically the whole way compiz is handling Xorg key grab which has to be changed :/
[07:36]  * StevenK hides it
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[07:46] <ion> that.
[07:46] <dholbach> pitti, cjwatson: can you confirm bug 759534?
[07:47] <dholbach> it's the closest to what I found today: I couldn't set Norwegian as language in gnome-language-selector
[08:04] <pitti> Good morning
[08:05] <pitti> james_w`: awesome, thanks!
[08:06] <pitti> dholbach: is is not really a bug..
[08:06]  * pitti comments in the report
[08:08] <pitti> done
[08:09] <abhinav-> pitti: what do you think about this ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/772336
[08:11] <pitti> abhinav-: it's on my list of stuff to look at, but I won't have time today, sorry
[08:12] <abhinav-> pitti: alright. no problem. :)
[08:13] <dholbach> pitti, can you try to install "norwegian" on your machine and select it as your language?
[08:13] <dholbach> pitti, it doesn't work for me on 2 machines
[08:14] <pitti> dholbach: in language-selector?
[08:14] <dholbach> pitti, even if the bug I quoted is not "a real bug" I think there's a real problem
[08:14] <dholbach> pitti, yes, please
[08:18] <pitti> hm, doesn't install the langpack nor the locale
[08:19] <dholbach> pitti, I have no idea how to track it down - you can just select the spellchecker options for it on my machines
[08:21] <pitti> dholbach: how did you learn about this, is there a bug report for it already for keeping notes?
[08:22] <dholbach> pitti, I tried to install Norwegian as additional language
[08:22] <dholbach> and set it for a user
[08:25]  * pitti wonders which Norwegian one -- Nynorsk (-nn) or Bokmål (-nb)
[08:26] <pitti> language-pack-nn installs fine here
[08:26] <pitti> so does language-pack-nb; bummer
[08:30] <pitti> oh
[08:30] <pitti> it tries to install -no
[08:31] <pitti> but there is no -no langpack; it's either -nn or -nb
[08:33] <diwic> pitti, I'm checking a Lucid install here, seems like it installs both myspell-nn and myspell-nb
[08:34] <pitti> diwic: yes, that's language-support-writing-no
[08:34] <dholbach> pitti, is the bug I mentioned related to it all?
[08:34] <pitti> but that shouldn't really exist
[08:34] <pitti> dholbach: not really I think
[08:34] <dholbach> I didn't search very long to find a suitable one
[08:34] <pitti> dholbach: there is no en_NO locale
[08:34] <dholbach> ok
[08:48] <dholbach> pitti, I'll file a bug on this - maybe there are other languages affected as well - not sure how to test this
[08:49] <pitti> dholbach: sounds like a special case; thanks for filing the bug, please let me know the number when you are done
[08:52] <dholbach> will do
[08:55] <dholbach> pitti, bug 773009
[08:56] <dholbach> dpm, ^
[08:56] <Sweetshark> hmmm, I am having a strange Ubuntu only issue: "LANGUAGE=C LC_ALL=C gcc -print-file-name=libgcc_s.so.1" according to the man-page should print a full path, but does not. And it seems to be a ubuntu only issue.
[08:57] <dpm> dholbach, thanks, looking...
[08:58] <pitti> dholbach: cheers, updated
[09:06] <mvo> cjwatson: bug #772514 looks like it might be caused by a incomplete perl state during the upgrade (isc-dhcp-client.postinst fails in debconf it seems) do you have a idea how to make that more robust (if that is actually the problem, but it looks like it is)?
[09:07] <dholbach> hey mvo
[09:07] <mvo> hey dholbach
[09:12] <seb128> mvo, he's off today I think, they got a bank holiday due to some weeding ;-)
[09:13] <mvo> woah, must be a important one, we don't get anything like this in my part of the world
[09:13] <mvo> seb128: thanks seb128
[09:14] <seb128> ;-)
[09:14] <seb128> yw
[09:43] <Sweetshark> hmm, my build expects a /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.5.2/libgcc_s.so.1 symlink -- which seems to work on other distros. Can anyone shed a light on which lib one should expect where?
[09:44] <seb128> seems like a doko's question
[09:53] <corno> i would appreciate it if someone can give me some advice or point me in the right direction, my story as follows:
[09:54] <corno> i'm new to the LaunchPad system, joined a few days ago and would love to get involved with bug-fixing/development
[09:54] <corno> i've found a specific bug that i'm interested in (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/484252)
[09:54] <corno> a patch has been submitted to the bug item, this patch is made on top of usb-creator version 0.2.28 as far as i can tell
[09:54] <corno> when i checked out the latest TRUNK i see that other fixes/changes have been committed in the meantime
[09:54] <ogra_> Sweetshark, mutiarch ?
[09:54] <corno> if i want to test (for education purposes) this aforementioned patch, should i test it against the latest trunk (involving some merging first as the patch affects already changed areas)?
[09:54] <ogra_> err
[09:54] <ogra_> *multi
[09:54] <corno> any pointers are most welcome thanks
[09:56] <seb128> hey corno
[09:56] <Sweetshark> ogra_: there is a /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.5.2/libgcc_s.so, so it the .1 which confuses the build
[09:56] <corno> seb128:  hi :)
[09:57] <seb128> corno, ubuntu-sponsors should be subscribed to the bug for the patch to be in the review queue
[09:57] <seb128> corno, it would be best to test on trunk if you can update the patch to apply to that version
[09:58] <seb128> corno, but testing on 0.2.28 is better than nothing
[09:58] <ogra_> Sweetshark, ah, yeah, then its doko :)
[09:59] <corno> seb128:  thanks for the pointers, appreciated.  think i will get my hands dirty with the trunk testing instead, after applying/merge patch to trunk version.  think i will learn more following that route.
[09:59] <seb128> corno, do you have specific questions?
[10:00] <seb128> corno, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu might be worth reading if you need infos
[10:00] <corno> seb128:  and when i can confirm the patch does what it should, i'll just generate a patch (should find instructions on wiki) and just attach to bug again right?
[10:00] <seb128> yes
[10:00] <seb128> corno, or do a merge proposal on launchpad
[10:01] <corno> seb128:  have read most wiki pages RE contributing/dev/bug fixing.  just a lot to wrap my head around and thought i'd come and make contact here to fast track my learning curve.
[10:01] <seb128> corno, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff as well
[10:02] <seb128> corno, that page explains merge proposals and debdiffs, usb-creator is maintained as an upstream project on launchpad so merge proposal might be the easier way
[10:02] <seb128> corno, ok, feel free to ask questions if you block on something, otherwise ev is maintaining usb-creator but he's off today since it's an uk bank holiday
[10:04] <corno> seb128:  he was probably invited to the Royal Wedding ;)
[10:04] <corno> seb128:  thanks again for all the pointers.
[10:06] <seb128> ;-)
[10:06] <seb128> you're welcome
[10:06] <corno> seb128:  awesome page ->  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff
[10:08] <seb128> we have nice documentation, there is just a lot on the wiki so it's not always easy to find what you need
[10:08] <seb128> but yeah ;-)
[10:11] <corno> seb128:  yep, the wiki is very helpful, just a question of filtering out the exact information i need to start my ubuntu dev journey.
[10:28] <corno> seb128:  the "bzr branch" command will actually create a new branch dir on the LP system?
[10:29] <seb128> corno, no, it gives you a local one
[10:29] <seb128> but you can push it tp lp:~user... then
[10:29] <seb128> to
[10:29] <seb128> that will create a new one
[10:31] <corno> seb128:  thanks
[10:40] <corno> seb128:  feeling a bit stupid, need some help with the branch command
[10:41] <hrw> ok, natty released. time to switch to oneiric?
[10:41] <corno> seb128:  i'm having a look here:  https://launchpad.net/usb-creator and when i do the branch
[10:42] <corno> seb128:  bzr branch lp:usb-creator lp-checkout
[10:42] <corno> seb128:  am not sure about the part after "lp:"
[10:43] <ogra_> hrw, definitely ! oneiric-changes already has 6 packages !
[10:44] <hrw> ogra_: german mirror lacks oneiric dirs - so I will wait few days
[10:44] <chrisccoulson> that reminds me - must subscribe!
[10:45] <ogra_> hrw, bah, these german slackers ...
[10:45] <hrw> ;D
[10:58] <dpm> cjwatson, hi, where is the Chinese iso available for download?
[12:08] <seb128> corno, sorry I was out, that should work, what error do you get? did you try without the lp-checkout bit?
[12:43] <GunnarHj> ScottK: Hi Scott, Could you please approve bug 771661. It's a pure update due to a proposed SRU. Thought I'd prevent that regression bugs start dropping in this time. ;-)  (Pls let me know if participation by ubuntu-backporters is redundant in a case like this.)
[12:43] <ScottK> GunnarHj: Done.
[12:44] <GunnarHj> ScottK: Thanks! 47 seconds, not bad. :)
[12:46] <ScottK> I think ubuntu-backporters is not redundant in this case, but it's easy to say if it's good enough for SRU, it's good enough for me.
[13:30] <dpm> pitti, I was about to go back to the nouveau driver after having installed nvidia r173. However, when starting jockey-gtk, I'm no longer presented with the option of choosing the nouveau driver. Is this a known bug, or expected behaviour?
[13:33] <corno> seb128:  was my turn to be out now :)
[13:34] <corno> it checked out successfully, my command:  bzr branch lp:usb-creator lp-checkout
[13:34] <corno> and i ended up with the latest in my "lp-checkout" dir
[13:55] <pitti> dpm: if you merely disable the nvidia one you should get back to nouveau automatically
[13:58] <dpm> pitti, yes, that works, thanks. Out of curiosity, why is the behaviour like that instead of just showing all the available drivers?
[14:10] <hrw> question: someone moved main machine to oneiric?
[14:11]  * ogra_ never upgrades before A1
[14:12] <hrw> ogra: your ac100 was not safe even at B1 iirc
[14:12] <ogra_> it is now
[14:12] <ogra_> we have a proper kernel source now ... got a lot better ... still not finished though
[14:13] <hrw> ogra: so which kernel ver now?
[14:13] <ogra_> .37
[14:13] <hrw> nice
[14:13] <hrw> android device based or mainline + patches?
[14:14] <ogra_> mainline + patches
[14:14] <ogra_> and a good chunk already went to .39
[14:14] <hrw> awesome
[14:14] <hrw> audio or smp works?
[14:14] <ogra_> by the time you cant buy the device in stores anymore we will have a proper mainline kernel :)
[14:15] <ogra_> smp, CPU PM and backlight work
[14:15] <ogra_> there is a fake sound driver but the actual codec isnt there yet
[14:15] <ogra_> (i have input and output devices but no actual sound)
[14:16] <hrw> ogra: there will be other tegra2 deives too
[14:16] <ogra_> yeah, but they will all need different kernels i fear
[14:16] <ogra_> ac100 and folio 100 have nearly the same boards for example
[14:17] <ogra_> but the kernel isnt interchangeable
[14:21] <corno> seb128:  regarding https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff.  no 2 and 3, do they both create branches/dirs on local hdd?
[14:21] <corno> seb128:  or does no 3 create the branch/dir remotely on LP side?
[14:22] <seb128> corno, sorry if you get a local copy working I'm not sure what your question or issue is
[14:23] <seb128> corno, oh, yes, 2 does a copy from the server version
[14:23] <seb128> n°3 does a new copy which you can use to hack on your modified version$
[14:23] <seb128> so you get a checkout from trunk and a patch directory where you can work
[14:24] <seb128> you could just checkout the trunk hack directly in it and push that on you personal space, not sure why the page suggest doing a copy in 3- but that works as well
[14:25] <seb128> it has the advantage to keep you a trunk checkout so you can use it again or update it and keep working on your patch in the new copy you do in 3
[14:26] <corno> seb128:  ah, makes sense to have the "untouched" copy, espeically when the source in question is relatively large. thanks for clearing up.
[14:26] <seb128> yw
[14:42] <lool> Hmm I get a signature rejection when uploading to oneiric:
[14:42] <lool>   Uploading linaro-image-tools_0.4.5-0ubuntu2_source.changes: 1k/2k550 Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')"] : Permission denied.
[14:42] <lool> but gpg --verify ../linaro-image-tools_0.4.5-0ubuntu2_source.changes passes
[14:42] <lool> (and on the .dsc as well)
[14:43] <mdke> I've had the error a few times recently when uploading to natty
[14:43] <mdke> the upload seems to work though
[14:44] <ScottK> lool: LP bug.
[14:44] <seb128> lool, could have worked, the errors seems to be a false warning
[14:44] <ScottK> The upload went through.
[14:44] <seb128> that's happening for a month or so
[14:44] <lool> Ok; thanks
[14:44] <ScottK> wgrant was making vague promises it would be fixed soon recently.
[14:53] <pitti> dpm: please feel free to report (or check for) a bug report of this
[15:01] <cdbs> Whoa? Oneiric open for development?
[15:01] <cdbs> Okay, its just a misleading blog post on UbuntuUser
[15:02] <charlie-tca> it was announced through the mailing lists
[15:02] <cdbs> No wait, it IS open! Did we break the world records for quickest opening?
[15:03] <cdbs> charlie-tca: yes I just got the mail
[15:09] <rigved> so does that mean that i can download and install onieric? is this a pre-alpha release?
[15:10] <cdbs> rigved: In theory, yes. But its severely unstable right now
[15:10] <rigved> cdbs: ok. so maybe in a vm then?
[15:10] <cdbs> rigved: Daily builds should start to come up in 1-2 weeks
[15:11] <rigved> cdbs: oh ok. i think i'll wait till the daily build is out. i always find that better to download via zsync
[15:11] <cdbs> rigved: until then the only way to use oneiric is to upgrade the hard way i.e. change all appearances of natty in /etc/apt/sources.list to oneiric and apt-get dist-upgrade. WARNING: unstable software
[15:11] <rigved> cdbs: no i don't want to do that. thanks :)
[15:12] <cdbs> rigved: Even I never did that. I've always installed from the daily builds
[15:12] <wgrant> cdbs: We were nearly able to open 12 hours ago, but the mirrors were overloaded :(
[15:12] <wgrant> ScottK, lool: That bogus warning should be gone now.
[15:13] <cdbs> wgrant: hmm, why such a hurry? All previous openings were a week after release of previous version
[15:13] <cdbs> or even more
[15:13] <barry> wgrant: yeah, even doing sbuilds yesterday was painful ;)
[15:13] <wgrant> cdbs: It's normally only a couple of days nowadays.
[15:13] <cdbs> wgrant: But this was by far the quickest
[15:13] <wgrant> Indeed.
[15:13] <wgrant> The toolchain was prepared in a PPA, so no iteration in the primary archive was required.
[15:13] <cdbs> I remember cjwatson terming the natty opening to be the quickest, still it took 5 days
[15:21] <AndreaAzzarone> hello! in gtk3 there is libglade?
[15:27] <lool> wgrant: Cool; thanks
[15:29] <andrea__> hello! in gtk3 there is libglade?
[15:41] <cdbs> andersk: You mean in Natty? yes
[15:41] <cdbs> andersk: you'll need to install glade-3 though
[15:42] <cdbs> oops
[15:42] <cdbs> sorry andersk , wanted to answer andrea__ who eft
[15:42] <cdbs> *left
[15:48] <seb128> cdbs, not sutre your reply was correct, libglade is deprecated for a while in favor of gtkbuilder
[15:49] <seb128> glade is just the gui used to edit those
[15:49] <cdbs> seb128: yes I did realize that, would have said it in the next line if he was around
[15:49] <cdbs> seb128: It is non-existant in GNOME3 isn't it?
[15:50] <seb128> libglade? it's deprecated yes, there is no gtk3 version
[16:06]  * stgraber will need to write a new release procedure for his work environment (VMs + chroot + bzr branches + e-mail filters + ...), this all take a lot of time :)
[16:37] <corno> i have a question RE https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/GettingSetUp
[16:37] <corno> in there it has a step:  "pbuilder-dist <release> create"
[16:38] <corno> where <release> means:  Replace this with the codename of the version of Ubuntu or Debian you want to use.
[16:39] <corno> does that just mean for the distribution/release you are going to test/dev on?
[16:40] <corno> i see that it will download all the necessary packages for a "minimal installation".
[16:41] <ScottK> Yes
[16:42] <corno> ok cool, just wanted to make sure that it has nothing to do with the TARGET milestone or release.
[16:42] <corno> and that it is all about the environment that you have currently installed and on which you want to dev & test.
[16:48] <Laney> jcastro: Can you get the DMB session scheduled please? If too much stuff gets scheduled into that slot then it increases the chance of conflicts (there's already one with me)
[16:52] <james_w`> Laney, which session?
[16:52] <Laney> james_w`: do you mean which one am I conflicted with?
[16:53] <james_w`> Laney, it's already scheduled and you want it re-scheduled?
[16:53] <Laney> james_w`: it's not scheduled, I need it to be so that the scheduler doesn't create conflicts which would make other DMBers unable to attend
[16:54] <james_w`> Laney, ok, which session do you mean?
[16:54] <james_w`> I'm trying to debug why some things aren't getting autoscheduled
[16:54] <Laney> the regular DMB meeting
[16:54] <Laney> there's no blueprint or anything for it
[16:55] <jcastro> cjwatson or pitti: can one of you add scottk to ~uds-organizers? I need him to be able to approve/decline kubuntu topics.
[16:55] <james_w`> Laney, why no blueprint?
[16:55] <ScottK> cjwatson or pitti: LP username kitterman
[16:56] <ScottK> (scottk in LP is entirely someone else)
[16:56] <Laney> james_w`: because it's nothing which needs discussion or will result in WIs or anything like that
[16:56] <Laney> should there be one anyway?
[16:57] <Laney> it is just our fortnightly meeting to approve new people
[16:57] <james_w`> Laney, that's how required participants are set, which is what stops the scheduler from creating clashes
[16:57] <james_w`> so there's not much point in scheduling it without that
[16:57] <Laney> alright I'll file one
[16:57] <jcastro> Laney: right, just create a blueprint and mark the required people
[16:57] <jcastro> and post UDS we'll just delete it or whatever
[16:58] <Laney> figured there would be a way to do it without creating a noop blueprint, but ho hum :-)
[16:58] <james_w`> what do you want, a system that caters to all your needs?!?!?
[16:59] <Laney> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-o-dmb-meeting there you go
[17:01] <james_w`> jcastro, can you accept that? ^
[17:02]  * SpamapS is still quite confused why summit uses .edge.
[17:03] <Laney> I didn't check the essential button for cody-somerville, sorry :'(
[17:04] <jcastro> SpamapS: which part is referring to edge? I've not run into edge URLs
[17:05] <Laney> the blueprint links all go to edge
[17:06] <james_w`> https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/summit/no-edge/+merge/59526
[17:07] <Laney> beat me to it!
[17:07] <Laney> still uses the edge api though
[17:08] <jcastro> ah
[17:17] <ScottK> slangasek: Do I need to prod you about spec approval or can I assume you'll read your LP mail and get to it?
[17:30] <kirkland> mvo: lifeless: howdy!  what does it take to get a system installing via the server or the alternate cd to use a squid-deb-proxy?  is it possible?
[17:32] <mvo> kirkland: iirc the altnerate install ask for a proxy during the network setup step, but its probably only done in manual mode. not sure if its possible to put that into the dhcp data
[17:46] <kirkland> mvo: hmm, i should be able to preseed it, right?
[17:46] <kirkland> mvo: but it's not a generic http proxy;  it's just a deb proxy, so i'm unsure
[17:54] <mvo> kirkland: yeah, preseed should work. right, its not a generic proxy, maybe its best to seed it only for the install and have something that removes it afterwards. altneratively you could install squid-deb-proxy-client for auto-discovery, but that would have to be done pretty early in the process. or just write /etc/apt/apt.conf with the acquire::http::proxy early
[17:54]  * mvo needs to go for dinner now
[17:54] <kirkland> mvo: is there a udeb that can be installed early enough?
[17:54] <kirkland> mvo: i didn't see one in my first look
[17:56] <mvo> kirkland: I think there is none, but that should be straightforward to create, that is a nice idea
[17:57] <kirkland> mvo: cool
[17:57] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: ^
[17:59] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok... what I'm trying to do is netboot the mini ISO but use the mirror synced by cobbler
[17:59] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: and trying to tell that in the preseed
[18:05] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok I got it
[18:05] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: this is sweet!
[18:07] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: using the mirror info from http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/example-preseed.txt ?
[18:14] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah, I added the mirror part to your preseed like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/600874/
[18:14] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: which points to the mirror location (which in fact is a full server ISO import)
[18:15] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: but the idea is to have a template seed that automatically sets the mirror for each ISO imported
[18:15] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: *exactly* !!!
[18:17] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so basically we can use the reposync feature in cobbler to do this when importing mini ISO's, or/and have squid-deb-proxy to handle the updates
[18:18] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yeah
[18:19] <soreau> Guys I'm totally lost here and I can't find anyone who knows what's going on.. I open sound-preferences from the volume icon on gnome-panel in natty and it also automatically opens a terminal that starts orca (and starts talking). I exit the terminal and it restarts itself automatically. What is going on here?
[18:22] <slangasek> ScottK: let's assume for the moment that prodding me is the safer option until I tell you otherwise :)
[18:27] <SpamapS> mvo: that software-center upload to natty-proposed is massive
[18:29] <SpamapS> kirkland: for s-d-p .. I don't think the client updates d-i's proxy information.. just apt.. so you'll need to have that udeb specifically talk to d-i
[18:30] <SpamapS> soreau: you will probably have better luck getting support in #ubuntu
[18:35] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok so after installation, /etc/apt/sources.list points to the cobbler mirror
[18:36] <SpamapS> kirkland: I like the idea of automatically making use of an s-d-p during installs eventually. Not sure if we want to make it that easy to mitm installs though (even w/ the cryptographic protections.. seems like asking for trouble)
[18:37] <kirkland> Sp4rKy: right
[18:38] <Sp4rKy> :)
[18:39] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: why not do this? 1. Create repos with cobbler. 2. Every time we import an ISO use a preseed that points to the cobbler's repo/mirror. 3. let cobbler update the repo/mirror (it's just matter of cobbler reposync)
[18:39] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: obviosly the first sync of the mirror will take quite a long time
[18:40] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i don't think it's reasonable to *require* 500GB+ of disk space to run orchestra, out of the box
[18:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: squid-deb-proxy gives us the benefit of caching a subset of the archive locally
[18:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: and if every Orchestra deployment came to require mirroring the archive, we'd kill the main mirrors with everyone's initial sync :-)
[18:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: you are right :)
[18:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: that said, we should definitely support/allow people to run their own mirros
[18:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: as many large ubuntu deployments may well have one
[18:44] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I agree!
[18:49] <soreau> SpamapS: I already asked several times in #ubuntu
[19:12] <geser> kees: Hi, is it ok if I take the vim merge of you?
[19:14] <till_> [not strictly ubuntu-devel, so excuse the OT, but] does anyone else have trouble resolving ppa.launchpad.net?
[19:14] <kees> geser: sure thing! thanks!
[19:15] <kees> $ host ppa.launchpad.net
[19:15] <kees> ppa.launchpad.net has address 91.189.90.217
[19:15] <kees> till_: ^^
[19:15] <till_> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic Release.gpg Could not connect to ppa.launchpad.net:80 (91.189.90.217), connection timed out
[19:16] <till_> kees: yeah, sorry, resolving works, anything else doesn't
[19:16] <geser> till_: the connection might be a little stressed right now due to release
[20:08] <bdmurray> @pilot in
[20:09] <stgraber> Laney: thanks for schedulding the DMB uds session!
[20:10] <Laney> np :-)
[20:10] <Laney> stgraber: hope it gets scheduled soon. there's one session I'm essential for at that time already
[20:13] <cnd> jcastro, I created blueprints for uds named "dx-o-touch-<blah>", do I need to recreate them as "desktop-dx-o-touch-<blah>"?
[20:14] <stgraber> jcastro: ^ can you schedule Laney's session (other-o-dmb-meeting)
[20:14] <jcastro> cnd: no you need to rename them that
[20:14] <cnd> jcastro, how do I rename them?
[20:14] <cnd> maybe I just didn't see the button :)
[20:14] <jcastro> on the bp page
[20:14] <jcastro> top right, details link
[20:15] <cnd> jcastro, found it, thanks!
[20:15] <jcastro> stgraber: accepted it, it should hit the scheduler on the next cron job (hourly)
[20:16] <Laney> jcastro: it needs to be scheduled at a specific time
[20:16] <Laney> monday 16:00
[20:20] <mvo> SpamapS: the s-c upload is massive  ? to proposed? let me double check, should not be. I mean, not tiny, but not massive
[20:22] <mvo> SpamapS: this is what diffstat shows  for me http://paste.ubuntu.com/600934/ - is that what you see too?
[20:27] <stgraber> Laney: I can move it then if it's not scheduled at the right time.
[20:27] <Laney> stgraber: ok sounds good
[20:28] <m4n1sh> anyone here knows about firefox addons debugging?
[20:37] <abhinav-> m4n1sh: try #ubuntu-mozillateam :)
[20:38] <m4n1sh> abhinav-: thanks. even on irc.mozilla.org :)
[20:38] <abhinav-> oh yea :)
[20:46] <corno> i have a question RE the command "pbuilder-dist natty create"
[20:46] <ohsix> where can i see the build status for main archive packages?
[20:48] <corno> i get the following output from it:   initramfs-tools : Depends: udev (>= 147~-5) but it is not installed
[20:48] <corno>  libc6-dev : Depends: linux-libc-dev but it is not installed
[20:48] <corno>  mountall : Depends: udev but it is not installed
[20:48] <corno>  plymouth : Depends: udev (>= 166-0ubuntu4) but it is not installed
[20:48] <corno>  python2.7-minimal : Depends: libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1) but it is not installed
[20:48] <Sarvatt> ohsix: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds
[20:48] <ohsix> Sarvatt: thanks :D
[20:49] <ohsix> ahh i see, the package i was interested in wasn't even uploaded for my arch; the upload for proposed was finished for i386 hours ago
[20:50] <ohsix> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_text=pithos&build_state=all how do you get someone to copy it to another arch?
[20:50] <corno> is that normal? or should i fix that for my dev env to work properly?
[20:53] <ohsix> Sarvatt: is that something i can just ask an archive admin to do or should i ping the maintainer
[20:56] <corno> i think i might have a bigger problem
[20:56] <corno> when i execute this:  "pbuilder-dist natty build ../usb-creator_0.2.29.dsc"
[20:57] <corno> i sit with this [error] output:  I: Building the build Environment
[20:57] <corno> I: extracting base tarball [/home/corno/pbuilder/natty-base.tgz]
[20:57] <corno> gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
[20:57] <bdmurray> check your dmesg for hardware errors
[20:58] <corno> any ideas how to fix this problem? i'm probably doing something silly.
[21:03] <corno> bdmurry:  was the dmesg msg for me?
[21:03] <corno> *bdmurray
[21:03] <bdmurray> corno: yes
[21:04] <corno> bdmurray:  nothing in dmesg
[21:04] <bdmurray> corno: okay, it was just a thought
[21:05] <corno> bdmurray:  i'm correct in saying that archive is built when running "pbuilder-dist natty create"?
[21:07] <bdmurray> corno: I'm not really familiar with pbuilder
[21:07] <Laney> sounds like the basetgz is broken
[21:07] <Laney> i'd delete it and recreate
[21:07] <corno> Laney:  meaning re-run "pbuilder-dist natty create"?
[21:08] <Laney> corno: yeah
[21:08] <corno> Laney:  thanks, will give it a shot.
[21:09] <Sarvatt> ohsix: its arch all which always builds on i386, not sure why its not in proposed yet though because it looks like it should be
[21:09] <corno> Laney:  oh btw, i think it is safe to assume the tgz is broken, i just checked its size:  0K  :)
[21:09] <ohsix> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pithos/+bug/759699 well this is the bug i was going by
[21:10] <Sarvatt> ohsix: oh its just not on some of the mirrors yet
[21:10] <ohsix> ah ok
[21:10] <Sarvatt> ohsix: it's on archive.ubuntu.com
[21:11] <Sarvatt> now its on us.archive.ubuntu.com too, wasnt a few minutes ago
[21:11] <ohsix> it'll probably be on my mirror by the time i need it :D
[21:42] <ScottK> Meep.
[21:43] <ScottK> Not what you want to see in your build log: /usr/bin/apt-cache exit status 11
[21:43] <ScottK> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/70709627/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-armel.boost-mpi-source1.46_1.46.1-4ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:44] <ohsix> har
[21:44] <penguin42> ScottK: I'd check to see if the apt-cache got built with the compiler with shrink-wrap on or off
[21:44] <ScottK> penguin42: It's an in archive build, so ...
[21:47] <corno> when doing "pbuilder-dist natty create"
[21:47] <corno> i see msgs like:  W: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openssl/libssl0.9.8_0.9.8o-5ubuntu1_i386.deb was corrupt
[21:47] <corno> W: Couldn't download package libssl0.9.8
[21:47] <corno> anyone else seen those?
[21:49] <ohsix> did you check and see if you were having hardware/disk problems yet?
[21:49] <corno> ohsix:  yep, and i didn't see anything suspicious
[21:51] <ohsix> aside from the file verification failures ;]
[21:52] <corno> ohsix:  lol, yeah :)
[21:59] <corno> natty-base.tgz keeps on being 0K
[21:59] <corno> would this have anything to do with it?  The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:59] <corno>  initramfs-tools : Depends: udev (>= 147~-5) but it is not installed
[21:59] <corno>  libc6-dev : Depends: linux-libc-dev but it is not installed
[21:59] <corno>  mountall : Depends: udev but it is not installed
[21:59] <corno>  plymouth : Depends: udev (>= 166-0ubuntu4) but it is not installed
[21:59] <corno>  python2.7-minimal : Depends: libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1) but it is not installed
[21:59] <corno> i guess not?
[22:01] <penguin42> anyone know how long it's taking for a ppa upload to do anything?
[22:02] <ohsix> penguin42: look at the build status for the package, there are links on the pages after a successful upload
[22:02] <ohsix> you'll get an email if the upload fails too; theres kind of a few minutes of dead time after an upload, just need to wait a bit
[22:02] <penguin42> ohsix: I did the upload about 4 hours ago, it said it successfully uploaded and their is nothing on the web page
[22:03] <ohsix> url to the ppa?
[22:03] <penguin42> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-treblig/+archive/kdefixes
[22:03] <Ampelbein> penguin42: there was a problem with ppas few hours ago
[22:03] <ohsix> did you already add a public key to your account and sign your upload with it?
[22:04] <penguin42> ohsix: Yes, I've done a few before
[22:04] <ohsix> ah ok
[22:04] <penguin42> Ampelbein: Does that mean it'll eventually bubble through or that it needs reuploading?
[22:05] <Ampelbein> penguin42: you can never be wrong by reuploading ;-)
[22:05] <penguin42> haha
[22:05] <corno> when doing a "pbuilder create", surely one shouldn't get the msg that some of the files on the server is corrupt?  done it now the 4th time, always give the corrupt msg for the same group of files.
[22:06] <penguin42> Ampelbein: Ah - ppa.launchpad.net is giving connection refused so something is obviously still borked
[22:06] <Ampelbein> corno: most likely you have a faulty piece of hardware on your side
[22:06] <Ampelbein> penguin42: http://identi.ca/launchpadstatus says it is fixed, maybe ask in #launchpad
[22:07] <penguin42> corno: : I've seen that happen with bad ram
[22:07] <corno> penguin42, doing it on the same files, every time?
[22:08] <penguin42> corno: I've got to admit that's more unusual unless it's the big file
[22:08] <penguin42> corno: Or it's in a cache somewhere that's corrupt
[22:08] <penguin42> Ampelbein: Thanks, asked
[22:09] <corno> penguin42, am doing the pbuild differently now, and didn't see the corrupt message again for some of the files
[22:09] <corno> have been breaking like that when i ran this:  pbuilder-dist natty create
[22:09] <Ampelbein> penguin42: I just noticed elmo changed topic 20 minutes ago in #launchpad
[22:09] <Ampelbein> "PPA uploads are down"
[22:09] <corno> this time around i'm using this:  sudo pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd
[22:10] <corno> and i'm getting [better] results.
[22:10] <corno> so far it has only broke on a locale file
[22:10] <penguin42> Ampelbein: Oh yeh; I really should read topics :-(
[22:10] <corno> and there it still breaks on udev :(
[22:11] <corno> can i somehow force this pbuild process to contact a different server perhaps?
[22:11] <corno> as a test?
[22:12] <Ampelbein> corno: with the --mirror option, yes
[22:12] <corno> Ampelbein, thanks
[22:18] <corno> will try again tomorrow, for now i'm out. thanks for all help so far.
[23:37] <ScottK> Laney: RE your blog post: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-o-backports-bof/
[23:50] <timholum> Does anyone know where the source for the ubuntu search menu is that is new in 11.04?
[23:50] <timholum> I would like to write a small patch for it
[23:58] <achiang> timholum: that is called the dash
[23:58] <timholum> achiang: thanks that will probably help me find it :)
[23:58] <achiang> timholum: so i guess you can do: apt-get source unity
[23:58] <achiang> and start reading. :)
[23:59] <timholum> :) ok, do you know what language the dash is written in by chance ?
[23:59] <achiang> timholum: although depending on what you want to do, you may find that writing a "lens" is closer to what you want
[23:59] <achiang> a lens would be used to extend dash functionality
[23:59] <achiang> a patch would be to change/fix existing functionality
[23:59] <timholum> ok so if I wanted to make \\192.168.1.50 open up a smb connection
[23:59] <timholum> that would probably be a lens