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shaunmno contractions has been kind of the tradition, inherited from gnome, and gnome inherited it from sun00:00
shaunmI think everybody's moved on with their lives now, though00:00
Captainkrtekmeh, if I find them I fix them00:01
Captainkrtekmakes it look more professional </grammar-freak>00:01
Captainkrtekshaunm, do you have a printer set up in Natty? just need something verified really quick00:02
shaunmI don't even have natty00:02
Captainkrtekwell that could be an issue ;-)00:02
Captainkrtekhi jjesse00:33
jjessehi00:33
Captainkrtekjbicha, right now im checking all the outdated net-* docs and marking them as final and editing :)00:48
jbichaok00:48
CaptainkrtekI'll post the patch to the ML in about 30 minutes00:49
Captainkrtekjbicha, after checking an outdated doc and seeing it is all good, mark it as final right?00:53
jbichayes and put today's date00:53
Captainkrtekunder what section00:54
Captainkrtekoh the revision00:54
Captainkrtekjbicha, finished reviewing all of the net-* articles :) emailing the patch shortly01:21
Captainkrtekjbicha, check your email :)01:26
jbichaCaptainkrtek: ok01:40
Captainkrtekhey johnny7702:10
johnny77Captainkrtek: hello02:15
jbichaFor exmaple :-)02:20
Captainkrtek?02:21
jbichajust reviewing your edits, lol02:22
Captainkrtekoh02:22
Captainkrtekhehe02:22
jbichanah, everyone makes typos02:22
Captainkrtekyou should see the keyboard im using, still getting used to it: typematrix.com :)02:22
jbichaah, good excuse02:24
Captainkrteklol02:24
jbichathat keyboard doesn't look ergonomic to me02:24
Captainkrteknahh probabl wasnt the keyboard02:24
Captainkrtekprobably*02:24
jbichaare you a Dvorak user?02:24
Captainkrteknahh02:24
Captainkrtekbut it actually is more ergo.02:24
Captainkrtekno reaching with your right pinky, less strain02:25
jbichaI really ought to sit down and learn Dvorak, it's a hassle for the few weeks or so it takes though02:26
Captainkrtekyeah02:26
Captainkrtekmy brother uses it02:26
Captainkrtekhe is very fast with it02:26
Captainkrtekbut typematrix + qwerty is as fast02:26
Captainkrtekjbicha: how are the changes?02:57
jbichahalf done02:57
Captainkrtekokay02:57
Captainkrtek:)02:57
Captainkrtekjbicha: lots of editing to do to the patch?03:35
jbichait's a lot of files edited and I'm multitasking03:36
Captainkrtekgotcha03:41
Captainkrtekhope it's not a hassle03:41
Captainkrtekjbicha, are you a part of the Ubuntu-Doc project team? accidentally applied to join04:45
jbichawhat do you mean?04:45
Captainkrtekhttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc04:46
CaptainkrtekAccidentally applied to join that team haha04:46
Captainkrtekthe latest members are all teams04:46
jbichaok, all better04:47
Captainkrtekthanks04:48
Captainkrtekwhat does it take to get on the Ubuntu Documentation committers team?04:48
jbichaCommitters can push code to the bzr branches new packages come from04:59
Captainkrtekyeah04:59
Captainkrtekhow many months/years did it take you to get that?05:00
jbicha3 weeks05:00
Captainkrtekoh wow haha05:00
jbichabut I have too much free time05:00
Captainkrtekheh I will soon as well05:00
Captainkrtekwork is slowing down for me05:00
jbicha& our docs needed a bunch of work05:00
Captainkrtekit seems the current docs need a fair bit of work05:00
jbichait depends on your perspective, in some ways I think they're the best they've ever been05:01
jbichaexcept for the missing translations05:01
Captainkrtekwell im new to this05:01
Captainkrtekso I have nothing to compare to05:01
Captainkrtekjust looks like a lot05:02
jbichabut there's plenty to do this next cycle05:02
Captainkrtekyeah05:02
CaptainkrtekIm glad I was able to power through a few docs today :)05:02
jbichamerged05:16
Captainkrtek:D05:18
Captainkrtekawesome05:18
jbichayou may have trouble on your side merging it though05:19
Captainkrtekwhat do I do to merge?05:19
jbichaI recommend uncommitting and reverting your chanes and then bzr pull05:19
Captainkrtekkk05:20
jbichaor you could just try bzr pull but I think it diverged too much05:20
jbichaI don't have a lot of bzr merging experience so just a guess05:20
Captainkrtekk pulling05:21
Captainkrtekall merged :)05:21
CaptainkrtekI can finish all the outdated docs tonight or tomorrow05:22
jbichano you can't05:23
Captainkrtek?05:23
Captainkrtekonly 35 left05:23
jbichajust my opinion, some of the outdated are more complicated to fix05:23
Captainkrtekyeah true...05:23
Captainkrtekthe ones I did today were just minor changes05:23
CaptainkrtekIll try and knock out a few more though05:24
jbichaand we marked some pages final that weren't yet05:24
Captainkrtekoh?05:24
jbichaI'm fixing net-nonm now05:24
Captainkrtekoh05:24
Captainkrteksorry :/05:24
Captainkrtekone file didn't get merged05:25
Captainkrtekstill marked as outdated05:26
Captainkrteknet-wireless-troubleshooting-device-drivers.page05:26
jbichano, it'll be fine, I merged your work and am just looking over to see if we missed anything05:26
Captainkrtekoh okay05:26
jbichayes, that page is wrong, it's a duplicate of the previous page in the troubleshooting guide05:26
jbichaso it's definitely not final05:26
jbichaand the printer page you submitted still needs updating for 11.0405:27
Captainkrtekhmm05:29
CaptainkrtekI checked that one out05:29
Captainkrteklooked good to me, tested it05:29
Captainkrtekdid I not save it or something?05:29
jbichayou don't need admin privileges to set default printer05:29
Captainkrtekoh05:29
Captainkrteklet me update that doc then05:30
Captainkrtekdoing that now...05:31
jbichaif I remember right, you can either set it as default for just you or for everyone05:31
jbichato test, you can duplicate your printer05:31
Captainkrtekyea05:31
CaptainkrtekJust unplugged the printer a while ago, it was running on another box not running natty05:32
Captainkrteklet me find someone to test05:32
jbichasystem-config-printer is annoying if you're not logged in as an admin user and try to do admin stuff05:36
jbichayou get a root password dialog which won't work on standard Ubuntu05:36
Captainkrtekodd05:37
Captainkrtekgetting someone to test05:37
Captainkrtekjbicha, Ill have the printer fix in about <15 minutes05:51
bazhangCaptainkrtek, hi06:07
Captainkrtekhey06:07
Captainkrtekokay so here is what I have so far (gets link)06:07
Captainkrtekbazhang, http://paste.ubuntu.com/600587/06:07
CaptainkrtekI know a few things need to be added06:08
Captainkrtekso could you add a second copy of your printer, then attempt to make it default using those steps06:08
Captainkrtekand if i'm missing anything in between steps please let me know what and where06:08
bazhangSystem-->Administration--> Printing ?06:09
Captainkrtekyou should be able to go06:09
CaptainkrtekPower Icon on top bar06:09
CaptainkrtekSystem Settings06:09
CaptainkrtekPrinting under the Hardware category06:09
bazhangok06:09
Captainkrtektry to follow http://paste.ubuntu.com/600587/06:10
bazhangI always recommend they check linuxprinting.org as well if it does not show up out of the box06:10
Captainkrtekgood idea06:10
Captainkrtekbazhang, able to get it going?06:18
bazhangCaptainkrtek, mine worked out of the box, so I never had to do that06:19
Captainkrtekyeah06:19
jbicha"select the default option" isn't clear06:19
Captainkrtekbut we still need to have a guide for it06:19
bazhangsome weird xerox fuji laser printer that only win7 has drivers for06:19
Captainkrtekjbicha, I didn't edit that06:19
jbicharight, please do06:20
CaptainkrtekI will06:20
Captainkrtekthing is, without a printer I can't test that far06:20
Captainkrtekbazhang, can you take a screenshot of that page, the one where you can set the options for the printer06:21
jbichaCaptainkrtek: you're trying to do setup-printing? that one's a bit confusing06:26
Captainkrtekno06:26
CaptainkrtekIm doing setup-printing-default-page06:26
Captainkrtekerr06:26
Captainkrteks/page/printer06:26
Captainkrteksetting the default printer06:26
jbichayou've never installed a printer?06:26
jbichaon that computer06:27
CaptainkrtekI don't use a printer on this  box06:27
jbichaoh ok, you don't have to work on that then06:27
Captainkrtekwell trying to get someone else to confirm06:27
Captainkrtekwhen I do print it is on a W7 box in the house06:27
Captainkrtekbazhang, you still around?06:29
bazhangCaptainkrtek, bit busy at the moment, sorry06:30
Captainkrtekokay no problem06:30
Captainkrtekjbicha, can you name off any docs you want me to work on tomorrow?06:31
CaptainkrtekIll have a ton of freetime this weekend06:31
jbichafile-share06:31
Captainkrtekokay06:32
Captainkrtekill write that down on my whiteboard06:32
Captainkrtekalso for submitting merges should I use: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/gnome-user-docs/natty/+register-merge06:32
jbichayou don't have a fingerprint reader, do you?06:33
Captainkrteksadly no06:33
jbichaI'll just stub that probably06:33
Captainkrtekbut a friend is coming home from a trip this weekend they have one on their dell, maybe I could boot a live CD if you need06:33
jbichaI expect it's a big challenge to get it working well so stubbing is a lot easier06:34
Captainkrtekyeah06:34
jbichawe'll have more time before O if someone were to work on it06:34
CaptainkrtekI can try and get my hands on one from work06:34
CaptainkrtekIm sure Samsung has a few lying around06:35
Captainkrtekweird06:39
CaptainkrtekIm getting karma points for branching06:39
Captainkrtekand not for commits lol06:39
Captainkrtekjbicha, going to bed, talk to you later06:54
mdkeshaunm: I will try to get yelp-xsl 3.0.1 built08:00
mdkeshaunm: thanks08:00
mdkeonly 28 outdated files in gnome-help, excellent stuff12:02
* mdke can't figure out this mouseover css issue :(20:37
mdkeI don't want to go live with help.ubuntu.com until this is fixed, it's a pretty visible problem20:37
mdkehey Rocket2DMn20:39
Rocket2DMnhey mdke , how are you this afternoon/evening?20:39
mdkenot bad, tearing my hair out a bit with this issue with the front page of the html build20:40
Rocket2DMnah the natty bugs are coming in :)20:40
Rocket2DMnwhich build? gnome-user-docs or ubuntu-docs?20:40
mdkegnome-user-docs20:41
Rocket2DMnwhat's the issue?20:41
mdkehttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2011-April/015730.html20:41
mdkemouseover the top links on http://doc.ubuntu.com/~mdke/natty/20:42
Rocket2DMnwhere should the mouseover appear? below the pointer?20:43
mdkein place of the existing image of the desktop20:43
mdkeas happens in yelp20:44
Rocket2DMnah, hmm, i a variety of css classes20:45
mdkeI'm not great with css. I kind of use trial and error20:45
Rocket2DMnyeah, css is like that...20:46
Rocket2DMnwhat about javascript to replace the image?20:46
mdkeit's not very easy to customise because yelp-xsl takes care of generating the html. But we can define certain things by amending the xsl. I'd rather not try to amend too much, it's better to use css if possible20:47
mdkeI know that it works because in shaunm's version, it worked20:47
mdkeI have broken it somehow20:47
mdkebut I can't figure out how20:47
Rocket2DMn<div class="links topiclinks"> doesnt look right20:48
Rocket2DMni dont see where topiclinks is defined (or even know if something can be two classes at once)20:49
Rocket2DMnis "topics" supposed to be an attribute, like topic="link" ?20:50
Rocket2DMns/link/links20:50
mdkeah, perhaps I haven't broken it after all then. That's not something I have done20:50
mdkealthough I don't know if that is causing this issue20:51
Rocket2DMnidk either, i dont have a FF plugin installed to change the page source on the fly to test either20:51
mdkedon't think that is the issue actually20:51
mdkeshaun's html had it too, and the mouseovers worked (http://people.gnome.org/~shaunm/ubuntu/index.html)20:52
Rocket2DMnhmmmm20:56
Rocket2DMnit would help if the source was formatted20:57
shaunmthere is absolutely nothing wrong with having multiple words in the class attribute20:58
shaunmperfectly valid html, and actually quite common20:58
mdkehi shaunm20:59
shaunmhey20:59
mdkewe were just scratching around20:59
Rocket2DMnmdke, check out the css classes that start with "li."21:00
Rocket2DMnyours are different21:00
Rocket2DMnshaunm's have more detail, like webkit and moz stuff21:00
mdkehmm. I copied and pasted those I though21:01
mdke+t21:01
shaunmmdke: so two culprits here on the positioning thing21:01
shaunm1) body has "position: relative". I removed that in 3.0.1 exactly because of this bug you're seeing. is your customization adding it back?21:02
shaunm2) #round also has "position: relative". not sure if that's on purpose or what effect it's supposed to have21:03
shaunmbasically, "position: relative" totally screws up positioning code21:03
mdkeah.21:04
mdkeI think i took it because i saw it in the 3.0.0 css21:04
shaunmbecause what ends up happening in javascript (annoyingly) is that offsets are reported from the top-left of the document, but setting positions sets them from the top-left of the inner-most relative-positioned thing21:05
mdke(for 1)21:05
mdkefor 2 it was in the code for help.ubuntu.com already I think21:05
shaunmyeah, I set #round to "position:static" using firebug, and it screws some things up21:06
mdke:/21:06
shaunmah, I see how that's laid out21:07
mdkeok, so if i set the margins for #round instead maybe that will work21:08
mdkeI see that the mouseovers are working :)21:08
mdkeoh no, that won't work21:10
Rocket2DMnim gonna go running guys, i'll bbl to work some more21:11
shaunmthere are other ways to get these things positioned21:11
mdkeRocket2DMn: see ya21:12
shaunmall right, there we go21:14
shaunmnow how do I get firebug to tell me everything I just changed?21:15
mdkeI'm making some slow progress... by defining the width of topcap and bottomcap and setting them margin: auto21:18
mdkeis that the sort of thing?21:18
mdkethat seems to work, I need to move the search bar but otherwise it looks alright21:21
jbichawondering if I should include instructions for how to change the # of workspaces in Unity21:23
jbichaand if so, should it be via command line, gconf-editor, or ccsm21:24
mdkejbicha: ccsm?21:25
jbichacompiz-config-settings-manager21:25
jbichaI believe ccsm has too many buttons & gconf-editor is not ideal either21:26
mdkeare any of them exposed via the gui?21:27
mdkeshaunm: you're a genius, all seems working now21:27
jbichathose 2 apps are extra installs21:28
shaunmmdke: all? you got all the topcap/bottomcap stuff fixed with the positioning?21:29
jbichabut the command line is simple, just gconftool-2 --type=int --set /apps/compiz-1/general/screen0/options/hsize 221:29
jbichaand the same for vsize21:29
mdkeshaunm: I think so. Let me publish it and you can tell me if it works21:29
mdkejbicha: gconf-editor is installed on my system, has it been removed now?21:29
shaunmawesome, then I can stop editing ubuntu.xsl myself21:30
mdkeshaunm: I just removed position:relative and added width: 876px; margin: auto; - I think21:31
mdkeand I edited the html to close div page a bit earlier21:32
shaunmyeah, I was finding a one-pixel glitch with the border vs the topcap image when I was doing that21:32
mdkeI don't seem to be seeing that21:33
shaunmok, I might have screwed up when I did it21:33
shaunmI didn't see the problem when I did the edits in firebug, just when I tried to recreate them in ubuntu.xsl21:33
shaunmI really wish firebug could give me some sort of diff against what came from the server. hard to remember what all I changed sometimes21:34
mdkeyeah, that does seem to be a strange absence21:36
shaunmthis looks nice21:38
shaunmdamn it, stop doing our help better than us21:39
shaunmreminds me of high school, when I had to write a book report and I hadn't read the book. so I read my friend's book report, and wrote mine based on that.21:39
shaunmhe got a C. I got an A.21:39
mdkehah. Hardly better - ours has been very rushed21:43
mdkebut we owe you a lot21:43
mdkeyou should be very proud of Mallard21:44
mdkeand everything it has inspired21:44
mdkedamn. shaunm - do you remember what you did with sitename?21:46
jbicha@mdke you're right, gconf-editor is installed by default, it's a bit complicated to give directions though21:49
shaunmmdke: "clear: right; float: right; margin-top: 30px;" I think21:51
shaunmI also have #cse-search-box as "float: right"21:52
* mdke nods21:52
Rocket2DMnback21:54
Rocket2DMni see you got the mouseover thing working mdke21:54
mdkeshaunm: got it, thanks. I can't tell you how much I appreciate all your help with this sort of thing21:54
mdkeRocket2DMn: with shaunm we have reimplemented some of the css21:55
Rocket2DMnvery cool21:55
mdkeok, we're ready to build and go live then21:55
Rocket2DMnwill any of that CSS be used with the ubuntu-docs stuff or is the html too different?21:55
Rocket2DMnmdke, also, are you going to update the branding in the upper left corner? it's still using the old image21:56
mdkeRocket2DMn: most of the CSS comes from the ubuntu-docs stuff21:58
Rocket2DMncool21:58
mdkeRocket2DMn: re branding, I hadn't intended to because it really requires a new image to be made - for me that can await the redesign of the whole website21:59
Rocket2DMnhm i thought we had one in the ligs/images directory already21:59
Rocket2DMnah i guess not one that says Documentation on it22:00
mdkeright22:03
Rocket2DMnmdke, am i correct in thinking that you committed the fix for bug 68799522:09
ubot2Launchpad bug 687995 in ubuntu-docs "search.html is obsolete?" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68799522:09
Rocket2DMnlooks like you took part of dustin's merge request - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kirkland/ubuntu-docs/687995/revision/59722:09
mdkeyes, but i'm worried we need to get a new value from him once 11.04 is live22:10
Rocket2DMnis that something that is going to need to be updated every release?22:10
mdkemight be22:11
Rocket2DMnmdke, i see ubuntu-docs 11.04.2 in natty.  the changelog is dated a week ago.  How come the relevant bugs did not get updated?22:46
Rocket2DMnthe debian changelog is small22:46
mdkeRocket2DMn: were the bugs correctly mentioned in the changelog?22:47
Rocket2DMnthere arent any bugs mentioned in the changelog, but i have been committing with the --fixes option, the natty source branch is being linked to bugs22:48
mdkethe bugs have to be mentioned in the changelog22:48
mdkebut I'm not sure that your fixes came before that upload22:48
Rocket2DMnthe stuff ive done this last week wouldnt be there, but we have 68 bugs in Fix Committed state22:49
Rocket2DMnthat didnt all happen in the last week22:49
mdkecripes22:49
mdkeno I doubt that I picked them up in the changelog...22:50
Rocket2DMndo they have to be in the changelog to be fixed automatically on LP? I would think that bzr would pick up the rev number that is pulled into ubuntu release22:50
Rocket2DMnany revs prior to that would be "fix released"22:50
Rocket2DMni guess thats not how it works...22:51
Rocket2DMnmdke, do i need to make my way through the bugs and confirm that they are fixed and update the status?22:53
mdkeRocket2DMn: I don't believe so. Perhaps if the branch is on the ubuntu project, but not if it is in an upstream project22:53
Rocket2DMni thought that in the past the branch was merged into the ubuntu project (eg lp:ubuntu/ubuntu-docs/natty)22:54
mdkeRocket2DMn: yes, either that or we add them to the next changelog. But the amount of work is about the same22:54
mdkeRocket2DMn: no, that's a separate branch which is imported based on uploads, not revisions in the upstream project22:55
Rocket2DMnwhat does that mean "imported based on uploads"?22:56
Rocket2DMnour normal branch is considered upstream right?22:56
mdkeeach upload to ubuntu is a revision22:56
Rocket2DMnhow is that upload done?22:57
mdkeyou mean how are uploads to Ubuntu done?22:57
mdkethe source package is sent via ftp using the "dput" command22:58
Rocket2DMnso you get our trunk in a state you want, then push the whole directory structure via ftp?22:58
Rocket2DMn(trunk or branch)22:59
Rocket2DMnmdke, your last commit on 4/22 was to refresh pot files - did you do the upload after that? if so, i can safely say that anything committed in revisions prior to that is fixed in natty now23:02
Rocket2DMnthat was rev 61723:03
mdkeessentially the source package builds directly from an export of the branch using the command "debuild -S". Then that gets uploaded. But none fo the bzr revision gets uploaded23:03
Rocket2DMnok, i would have thought they would keep a bzr branch and just merge a range of revisions, i guess not though, thanks for explaining23:04
mdkeRocket2DMn: sorry, having some internet slowness. The last revision that got uploaded is usually one called "New changelog entry"23:09
Rocket2DMnok mdke , in this case rev 61623:10
mdkeRocket2DMn: if revision 617 was very close after that, it probably went too23:11
mdkeI probably just goforgot to do it23:11
Rocket2DMnok, i see you made some commits to h.u.c. branch, are those the latest docs in trunk now that dont align with what's deployed into natty repos?23:12
Rocket2DMn(since weve made a lot of change sin the last week)23:12
mdkecorrect23:13
Rocket2DMnheh, alright, just makes it more confusing for me :)23:14
j1mci thought it would be a good idea to work on documentation for all of the apps that are installed by default on ubuntu. i thought something like evolution might be kind of challenging.23:15
j1mci didn't really think of this, though. http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/msg02107.html23:15
Rocket2DMnok i need to grab some food before i tackle updating these bug statuses23:16
Rocket2DMni'll go through and try to update as many as i can as fix released where applicable23:17
j1mcRocket2DMn: thanks23:17
mdkeRocket2DMn: hoping to bring natty up to date very shortly though23:17
Rocket2DMnlets just mark all fix committed as fix released :)23:17
mdkeRocket2DMn: thanks for working on that23:18
Rocket2DMnnp23:19
Rocket2DMnthere are a ton of other bugs that are somewhat more difficult to fix that need our attention as well, but that can wait a couple of days23:20
jbichathe subtitles' font looks smaller than their descriptions at http://doc.ubuntu.com/~mdke/natty/files.html23:37
jbichaalso the icon didn't copy for http://doc.ubuntu.com/~mdke/natty/a11y-icon.html23:38

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