[00:43] <Logan_> LjL: why didn't FloodBot1 kick the DCC sender?
[00:43] <Logan_> seems somewhat odd
[00:43] <LjL> Logan_: because who cares really? they're banned anyway
[00:43] <Logan_> heh, true
[00:43] <Logan_> I'm surprised at how many people still have that vulnerability
[00:44] <LjL> Logan_: but seriously, kicking would be one more line to put into the send queue. and it's mostly a useless line at that. and we want as little stuff in the send queue as possible.
[00:44] <LjL> sure i could put it into the slow queue, but.
[00:44] <Logan_> mmk
[00:49] <Logan_> LjL: do you know how well Gnome3 works on Natty using that PPA?
[00:49] <Logan_> I'm considering installing it instead of Unity
[00:51] <m4v> !gnome3-#ubuntu+1 | Logan_
[00:52] <m4v> bohh
[00:52] <Logan_> it's just !gnome3 now
[00:52] <m4v> it used to wrok..
[00:52] <Logan_> I had Pici forget the one with the suffix
[00:53] <LjL> Logan_: i haven't tried it (i don't even have natty), but i did hear rumors it actually broke things for people
[00:53] <LjL> IdleOne: maybe i could if i had any access :P
[00:53] <m4v> Logan_: one of our ops is using it, without much trouble afaik. But you know is inestable ..
[00:54] <Logan_> great, thanks!
[00:55] <m4v> he also told me that using ppa-purge works in case it breaks stuff. But I wouldn't trust it still. Be ready for reinstall ;)
[00:57] <arand> I'm wondering if the factoid should specify that it breaks unity, and there is no good safe downgrade path.. Or if that should just be left as implied..
[00:57] <LjL> i think it should
[00:57] <LjL> !gnome3
[00:58] <m4v> the only downgrade path afaik is « sudo apt-get install ppa-purge && sudo ppa-purge ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 » but I don't know if it is safe or guaranteed to work
[00:58] <LjL> !no gnome3 is <reply> Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu. A PPA for natty is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 but these packages are EXPERIMENTAL and UNSTABLE, will break Unity and possibly other parts of your system, and safe downgrading is not possible.
[01:00] <arand> =) It would be more appropriately named !caveats
[01:00] <LjL> !gnome3 =~ s/$/ Additionally, they may eat your children and cause demons to come out of your nose./
[01:01] <m4v> come on, be serious!
[01:01] <Logan_> hehe
[01:02] <IdleOne> LjL: added, thank you for your attention to detail.
[01:02] <IdleOne> especially the demon out the nose part. I was not aware of that
[08:31] <topyli> trying gnome3 also inevitably makes either unity or gnome-shell suck terribly
[08:31] <Tm_T> awww
[08:32] <topyli> at least everyone who has tried both seems to be forced to post "unity sucks, gnome-shell is awesome" or vice versa on twitter
[08:32] <Tm_T> topyli: then I refuse to test either, I don't like to behave like that
[08:36] <topyli> yeah, think about the damages to the average quality of free software when entire desktops suddenly start to suck :(
[09:26] <cdbs> topyli: You don't like Unity/
[09:26]  * cdbs uses both regularly
[09:27] <topyli> cdbs: i tried it and it was pretty nice, no complaints based on a short trial
[09:28] <cdbs> topyli: And what do you say about Gs?
[09:28] <cdbs> *GS
[09:29] <topyli> it's quite awesome, but i only tested a live cd. not everything worked
[09:30] <topyli> i couldn't get wifi to work for example, or change keyboard layouts
[09:33] <topyli> irc on empathy was also quite amusing :)
[09:50] <jussi> topyli is a K boy now ;)
[09:51] <topyli> ktopyli
[09:52] <MichealH> Kirc :P
[09:53]  * MichealH was tempted to say 'Kircc" :P
[09:53] <MichealH> OMG Bugs everywhere
[09:54] <MichealH> :/
[17:05] <Fuchs> Pici: since you seem to be online, can I ask you something regarding the #ubuntu+1 channel?
[17:05] <Pici> Fuchs: sure
[17:06] <Fuchs> Pici: as far as I am informed you forward people to the regular channel after the new Ubuntu version got released
[17:06] <Fuchs> Pici: if this is correct: how?  With a regular forward bann, masking all masks with *!*@*?
[17:07] <Pici> Fuchs: No. The channel is +i +f #ubuntu
[17:07] <Fuchs> ah, +f, didn't know this one. Thanks, we'll try this out :)
[17:07] <Pici> Let us know if you need any further help
[17:09] <Fuchs> We try it right now, I'll come back to you if it doesn't work. But I just found it in the freenode documentation (guess I used the wrong keywords when I tried to find it) now, so I guess we'll find it out.
[17:09] <Fuchs> Thanks for your help
[17:10] <Pici> np :)
[17:21] <GoThatWay> Hello, can someone help me with my problem after the upgrade? I can't see any menu, i only see the desktop and folders in it... :(
[17:21] <GoThatWay> is it the right channel?
[17:22] <k1l> GoThatWay: this is not that kind of supportchannel :)  try #ubuntu
[17:22] <GoThatWay> woops
[17:22] <GoThatWay> all right thx
[17:22] <Fuchs> Pici: it worked, thanks
[17:22] <k1l> or #ubuntu-it for italien
[17:22] <GoThatWay> thx very much
[17:48] <arand> I am wondering, there are on and off people zealously discouraging people from upgrading... With little motivation other than personal preference and hearsay...
[17:48] <arand> In #ubuntu, that is
[17:49] <topyli> arand: it's off topic to begin with
[17:51] <arand> Yes, true, I guess, though they will obviously claim that they are "helping", well, I guess it's just a matter of taking the encounters...
[17:51] <vish> arand: i've been using the !ot for such folks, and asking them to discuss there..
[17:52] <arand> vish: Yea, that sounds like a good procedure.
[18:14] <JaredisAwesome> I was trying to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 last night and my stupidass hit shutdown during the middle of the upgrade. Now whenever I boot its telling me I'm missing some drivers, and that Ubuntu is running in low graphics mode (though i cannot make it past that dialogue). Whenever i try to boot into recovery mode it doesn't seem to fully boot properly either. Is there anything i can do to fix this upgrade? Or should I just do
[18:17] <Pici> JaredisAwesome: This isn't a support channel, try #ubuntu
[18:18] <JaredisAwesome> my bad