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rick_h__what? there's a panel on unity dividing?00:08
jjessefinally got 11.04 downloaded00:41
jjessenow fresh install of my vms :)00:41
rick_h__sweet00:41
jjessecan't believe how long the web download was going to take00:42
jjessei think at one point it was 19 hours00:42
jjesseon my fat work connection00:42
jjesseand my torrent was under 1.5 hours00:42
rick_h__heh, yea I'm guessing your pip isn't the limiting factor on this one00:42
jjessenope00:42
fdvalerowaht's new in Natty01:49
rick_h__not much :P01:50
snap-lrick_h__: Yeah, Unity is like a cell01:58
snap-land the panel was explaining mitosis01:58
rick_h__snap-l: this is the one you were recruiting people for?02:00
snap-lYep02:00
snap-lAnd I need bodies02:00
rick_h__lol02:00
snap-lwarm bodies that are friendly02:00
snap-lOK, time to do the dishes.02:01
snap-lbrb02:01
fdvaleroyeah02:22
brouschUnitydemo and party went really well02:32
rick_h__awesome, good to hear02:32
brouschA lot of skeptical people were impressed02:32
rick_h__yea, I think it'll be a big thing to get people to give things a fair shake02:33
rick_h__and just ack that there's issues, it's an early release02:33
brouschi'm glad i brought real hardware instead of a vm02:34
rick_h__definitely02:34
brouschran really well02:34
jjessebrousch great job :)02:34
greg-gbrousch: awesome!02:34
brouschalso one of the biggest wmlug meetings, 13 people i think02:35
jjessen ice02:35
greg-gcongrats, buddy02:36
brouschi think i demoed for an hour and no one seemed to get bored02:36
greg-gwow, that is impressive03:02
greg-gugh, early12:12
rick_h__greg-g: heh, meeting12:38
rick_h__?12:38
rick_h__that was supposed to say12:38
rick_h__snap-l: http://www.blog.pythonlibrary.org/2011/04/28/wxpython-learning-to-use-fonts/12:51
rick_h__some wx love for you on the planet today12:51
brouschsnap-l is a wxpython fan?12:51
rick_h__he's been playing with some wx12:57
brouschrick_h__: you going to try to present at pyohio again?13:28
rick_h__brousch: yea, think I'm going to submit an SqlAlchemy session13:30
rick_h__though thinking it would be cool to do a pyramid one, but not a big fan of framework talks since they devolve into 'how fast can you build a cheap wiki'13:31
brouschheh13:31
brouscha pyramid talk would be good. maybe goad ramm into one?13:31
rick_h__http://aws.amazon.com/message/65648/13:36
rick_h__interesting read13:37
ColonelPanic001>_>13:56
greg-grick_h__: drove up to Lansing with some coworkers for a pre-unconference bootcamp we are leading14:06
greg-gmine doesn't start until 1pm, but the other coworkers started at 914:06
rick_h__ah, party time14:07
_stink_"pre-unconference bootcamp"14:32
_stink_wow, quite a phrase14:33
rick_h__drying out _stink_ ?14:33
ColonelPanic001dry it out? He has a nice indoor pool. Shouldn't waste that.14:33
_stink_rick_h__: yeah, got all the carpet and padding out last night after kid went to bed.  now it's sitting soaking in my garage14:33
_stink_gotta bundle it up for the garbage14:33
rick_h__ugh14:33
_stink_but things seem reasonably dry otherwise14:33
_stink_the line out to the city is snaked out, so no danger for a while.  just gotta decide if we'll put in the exterior access or not14:34
_stink_so thankful it wasn't sewage water and was just outside rain water.14:35
_stink_i don't want your poop in my basement.14:36
rick_h__ah come on, it's roses14:37
greg-g_stink_: ugh, glad things are getting better, though14:37
jjessedoes your homeowner's insurance cover this14:37
jjessewhen we had a backup homeowners paid for cleanup, and new carpet14:38
_stink_jjesse: yeah, that's a really good point, someone mentioned that to my wife yesterday14:38
_stink_i'll have to look14:38
jjesseinsurance company sent out one of those cleaning compaines to put antifungal, etc down and cleaned up the floor14:39
jjessewhich was nice14:39
_stink_well damn14:39
rick_h__yea, when we had a backup they would cover it, but it was less than out deductable so didn't bother14:39
rick_h__but we saved the carpet, just had a drying company out that pulled it up adn setup fans under it14:39
rick_h__wasn't a total loss/drownage14:39
_stink_was there padding under that carpet?14:40
rick_h__yea, but it was ok14:40
_stink_ah, awesome14:40
rick_h__well we had to cut some out14:40
_stink_the padding the previous owner put down is quite the absorber.14:40
ColonelPanic001why bother keeping the carpet just to repeat this later, though?14:40
rick_h__well for us it was a failed sump, so we fixed the sump and were good to go again14:41
_stink_it feels good on the feet?14:41
rick_h__bah, I'm trying to rip the carpet out of this house bit by bit14:41
rick_h__hardwood or bust!14:41
_stink_hehe14:41
ColonelPanic001I prefer hardwood to carpet often, too14:43
snap-lGood morning14:44
ColonelPanic001Hi.14:45
snap-lrick_h__: thanks! Checking out this article14:45
wolfger<#ubuntu> Is it out yet? </#ubuntu>14:50
ColonelPanic001yeah14:51
wolfgerIs anybody at Penguicon yet?14:53
ColonelPanic001not yet. day job.14:54
greg-gnot yet, leading a bootcamp until 4: http://www.2011.greatlakesthatcamp.org/bootcamps/14:55
greg-gok, is it odd that a person with an HP laptop has an apple logo sticker on it?14:56
ColonelPanic001religion is strong.14:56
* greg-g nods14:57
brouschit is odd14:57
wolfgernot terribly odd, since every iPhone comes with one of those stickers14:57
brouschcall him on it14:58
ColonelPanic001leave the guy alone, he was good enough to not use an apple laptop14:58
rick_h__heh, company issued against his will?14:58
rick_h__or just figured since he bought an iPod he needs to claim his colors in public to represent?14:58
ColonelPanic001he musn't anger The Jobs14:59
rick_h__I watched the latest south park with the apple slams and was disappointed :(14:59
ColonelPanic001I didn't see it15:00
brouschi didn't know SP was still on TV15:03
snap-lI saw a guy at the last CHC with two Apple stickers on a decidedly non-Apple laptop15:04
brouschreport him to steve jobs15:05
rick_h__heh _stink_ looks like you're in good company, from my woodworking forum: This forum has15:06
rick_h__received a new topic since your last visit, "flooded basement questions".15:06
ColonelPanic001hah15:07
ColonelPanic001rick_h__: you do much woodowrking?15:07
rick_h__before the kid15:07
rick_h__wife hates that she can't park in the garage since it's all woodshop15:07
ColonelPanic001ah. My dad used to do a lot of that. He actually made his and my mom's bed.15:07
rick_h__but havne't been able to get out there to do it15:07
ColonelPanic001hah, if we had had a garage, it'd probably be the same15:07
ColonelPanic001that and woodcarving. Used to do that quite a bit15:08
ColonelPanic001need to get pictures of some of his stuff sometime15:08
rick_h__https://picasaweb.google.com/deuce868/Cutting_boards# https://picasaweb.google.com/deuce868/Entertainment_center#539599202561616325015:08
rick_h__though we have a nice lcd on top of it now vs that old tv15:08
ColonelPanic001nice. I like it15:09
ColonelPanic001now combine the two interests, and make a wood computer case.15:09
rick_h__https://picasaweb.google.com/deuce868/Hall_table#531376630859665347415:09
rick_h__heh, seen a few15:09
ColonelPanic001I've only seen a couple, but they were beautiful15:09
brouschrick_h__: very nice! i think i saw some of your in-work pictures but not the finished product15:10
ColonelPanic001yeah, that hall table is nice.15:10
rick_h__well been a while since I got anything done, but yea15:10
rick_h__I messed up the drawers on that table. Harder to get smooth drawers than it looks15:10
rick_h__but the appearance is really good, was my first in-house project15:10
rick_h__other stuff I built was just for the garage, cabinets/etc15:10
rick_h__but yea, miss the woodworking some, but can't really do it a lot with the kid and bookie takes up time after he goes to bed15:11
rick_h__oh well, it'll be more a retirement thing I guess :P15:11
ColonelPanic001trying to think of what else my dad did. Kitchen cabniets, I think, were his15:12
brouschnah, once your kid is old enough not to cut his hand off he can help you15:12
jjesselike 215:12
ColonelPanic001my retirement is going to be full of drugs and alcohol. I figure I'll be old and near death anyway. May as well15:12
jjessegive him a hammer15:12
rick_h__heh, just need him old enough to play in the yard on his own15:12
ColonelPanic001I am too far behind on openmetalcast.15:36
* ColonelPanic001 dons earphones15:36
snap-lColonelPanic001: I'm giving out DVDs of all of the episodes to date at Penguicon. :)15:46
ColonelPanic001f'ing awesome. Save one for me. ;)15:47
snap-lSure thing15:47
ColonelPanic001still love this podcast idea15:47
ColonelPanic001listening to ep. 14 now15:47
ColonelPanic001the only thing that would be nice would be some way of knowing who's playing, while they're playing. Technology restriction, I guess.15:47
ColonelPanic001jsut because sometimes I'll be listening, suddenly realize the band is awesome, but forget later (I'm usually working while listening)15:48
brouschColonelPanic001: i have the same issue. i always have to go to the blog post and try to sort out which one i liked15:48
ColonelPanic001right15:48
ColonelPanic001not much to do about it though, I guess.15:48
brouschthat's probably how snap-l makes money15:48
ColonelPanic001that greedy little jerk15:49
snap-lColonelPanic001: Theres something in AAC that will show the album artwork at the same time15:49
snap-lbut that means having to use itunes. :)15:49
ColonelPanic001but in what players, etc?15:49
ColonelPanic001exactly15:49
ColonelPanic001heh15:49
ColonelPanic001screwwww that.15:49
ColonelPanic001I use netvibes for RSS, I just play it right on the page15:49
brouschsnap-l: you could say the info after every song15:49
ColonelPanic001yeah, he's doing that right now on the one I'm listening to, actually15:50
snap-lEr, I mean Garage band or soemthing else.15:50
snap-lbrousch: Um, no. :)15:50
ColonelPanic001I can live with going through a blog post, anyway15:50
brouschis that some radio nono?15:50
snap-lbrousch: You'd never listen to it15:50
snap-lThere's no flow15:51
brouschi'll give you artistic license on it ;)15:51
ColonelPanic001Execute My Liberty is nice. A little on the "wtf is that gurgling" side, but good, for when I'm in the mood for it15:51
ColonelPanic001I'm with snap-l. Interrupts flow.15:51
snap-lWhich is why I do the instrumetalcast and Club Metal episodes at the beginning and end of the show15:51
brouschsee, i don't notice flow15:51
snap-lbrousch: Exactly. ;)15:52
snap-lIt just happens15:52
brouschbut probably because i am constantly inturrupted and listen in 10 minute chunks15:52
snap-lListen to some of the first episodes. You'll understand what not having flow means.15:52
ColonelPanic001grabbing this album15:53
snap-lGood DJs make the music the center of attention15:53
snap-lAlthough radio DJs are all about promotion15:54
ColonelPanic001"Proctologue by Ass Burners from Blasting Poo Armageddon"15:54
snap-lpromote this product, that show, something else.15:54
ColonelPanic001Must. Not. Laugh. At. Work.15:55
snap-lColonelPanic001: Yeah, thank brousch for that one.15:55
ColonelPanic001thanks, brousch15:55
brouschmy pleasure. the more assburnings i can spread the better15:55
snap-lAt least the playlist that I made for Penguicon doesn't have anything in a foreign language.15:56
snap-lThe last episode was a tongue-twister.15:57
snap-lhttp://openmetalcast.com/2011/04/19/open-metalcast-episode-19-there-will-be-potassium/15:57
snap-lAliados by shaistrek from Revolucion y Metal (BY-SA), Dual God by Kaiowa from Subliminal Doctrine (BY-NC-SA) <- Both of those were hard to say15:58
ColonelPanic001hah15:59
brouschi enjoy listening to you try to pronounce spanish names15:59
ColonelPanic001hehe15:59
snap-lbrousch: I think I get it most of the time16:00
snap-lI had several years of Spanish16:00
snap-lIt's the french ones that throw me for a loop16:00
snap-lI speak French like Peter Sellers16:01
ColonelPanic001I mostly find it amusing when Craig is so cheerful sounding while announcing songs like "Consumed By Blood"16:02
brouschColonelPanic001: that cracks me up too16:03
ColonelPanic001god, this Procotolouge song is horrible.16:03
ColonelPanic001hilarious in parts though16:03
brouschcheerful and mild-mannered16:03
ColonelPanic001ep 14 was damn good, though. I went on Jamendo in the middle of working on something just to favorite that one album16:04
snap-lhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPyDY5aZyXs16:05
ColonelPanic001I also approve of that theme song16:05
ColonelPanic001the track you use is on an album I bought from Magnatune a couple years ago. It's sitting in my car right now.16:05
ColonelPanic001This "Abduction Starfleet" is awsome. snap-l, you ever listen to any '...And Oceans'?16:06
ColonelPanic001if you like this, might like them, too16:06
snap-lYeah, you menitoned that. I didn't get to it yet. :)16:07
snap-lUtopia Banished. :)16:07
ColonelPanic001that's it - I couldn't remember the name of the band, just the album16:12
snap-lNight of the Black Wyvern?16:12
ColonelPanic001aye16:12
ColonelPanic001haha. News Corp. is trying to sell MySpace.16:27
ColonelPanic001<axl rose>It's gonna diiiiieeeeee</axl rose>16:28
rick_h__http://twitter.com/#!/jasonbock/status/6397981727563776016:30
rick_h__awesome16:30
ColonelPanic001an.. xml format.. for json?16:30
ColonelPanic001don't we have that? Isn't it called.. xml?16:31
snap-lrick_h__: That's definitely the fish bicycle we've been looking for16:32
snap-lAnd next year, if I decide to do this Open Metalcast DVD thing, it'll be professionally done16:33
ColonelPanic001\o/16:33
snap-ltired of fighting with Brasero / DVD Burner16:33
snap-lthough it'll likely be more than 4.7GB. ;)16:33
snap-lIt's 2.2GB now16:34
ColonelPanic001computer set up to automatically mount a USB drive when detected, then copy over the archive, dismount, wait for next.16:34
snap-lRight, is greg-g planning on bringing his pirate box?16:35
snap-lMaybe I'll burn an extra for him, just in case.16:35
ColonelPanic001I still like that "you get random files" idea from before.16:35
snap-lAlso going to burn a copy of the Natty ISOs, just in case someone can't get them16:36
snap-lAnyone coming to the release party that hasn't RSVPed yet?16:38
rick_h__me16:38
rick_h__or did I rsvp? I don't recall16:38
rick_h__well, I'll probably be there, still one last chance of fallout16:38
snap-lI'm not seeing a RSVP16:38
rick_h__k, I'll get the wet noodle16:38
snap-lhttp://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/843/detail/16:38
ColonelPanic001I'll RSVP too. I should be there by then16:39
rick_h__greg-g: is coming out tonight?16:39
greg-g*maybe*16:40
greg-gwith a hopefully tone in my voice16:40
rick_h__hah16:41
* brousch decides to skip the coming out jokes16:41
snap-lThanks, everyone. :)16:43
greg-gthanks for that message, snap-l16:54
Dekkarddo we have an upgrade server for Natty?16:54
snap-lgreg-g: np16:54
snap-lDekkard: Image?16:54
Dekkardum nmot sure16:55
greg-gsee the topic for the Oakland university mirror, which is still fast16:55
Dekkardk16:55
Dekkard i couldnt even do a Maverick upgrade yesterday net was so hammered16:55
snap-lI'll add some maverick images as well. ;)16:56
Dekkardthanks16:57
snap-lDekkard: Do you have a CD drive, and a USB key?16:57
snap-land are you coming to Penguicon?16:57
Dekkardyerp16:58
snap-lOK, I've got the maverick ISOs. I'll burn you a separate copy16:58
snap-land I'll put Natty ISOs on there as well16:58
Dekkardahhh.. not sure of penguicon16:58
* Dekkard isnt a IT professional like youse guys16:58
snap-lDekkard: You don't need to be an IT pro to come to penguicon16:59
snap-lNot sure where you got that idea. ;)16:59
Dekkardbut I was going to wait a few days.. see if the upgrade from mav to natty was smooth16:59
snap-lOK, well if you change your mind, I'll have the ISOs there, regardless.16:59
Dekkardi been to a lug meeting at dragonmeade.. I was the only non pro there16:59
Dekkardo_0 ---> chef17:00
Dekkardanyway..lunch service bbl17:00
Dekkardfreekin $50 !!!17:57
snap-lDekkard: ?18:11
rick_h__think he had some penguicon sticker shock18:14
jcastroOMG LOL18:28
jcastrosnap-l: this was on reddit18:28
jcastrohttp://i.imgur.com/zdIIa.png18:28
rick_h__wtf, running ubuntu VM seemless on a Mac?18:30
binbrainthat's windows18:31
rick_h__yea, gotcha18:31
binbrainisn't it?18:31
rick_h__yea, think it's the toolbar just dragged left18:31
jcastrobinbrain: they're saving that the unity launcher is like windows 7 and  that the top menu part is a mac18:32
snap-lI think someone was making a statement via photoshop18:33
rick_h__man, where's the BB fan with all this gloom and BB doom going on18:55
snap-lWhassat?18:59
rick_h__tjagoda or whatever his nick is18:59
rick_h__shares are down almost 20%, BB doing a special earnings report pre-warning everyone it's all down18:59
brouschi know, i was just about to post it and then realized he is probably passed out drunk at pcon already18:59
snap-lNo, I mean what's the doom and gloom?18:59
snap-lHoly shit. That's major18:59
rick_h__http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=blackberry18:59
snap-lhttp://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-04-28/rim-plunges-after-cutting-profit-forecast-on-blackberry-demand.html19:00
rick_h__they had to come out before their earnings report and go "Umm, dudes...you're not going to like this, but we'll let you know tomorrow. Just promise not to be mad mkay"19:00
snap-lRIM said BlackBerry shipments will be at the lower end of the range of 13.5 million to 14.5 million it projected last month, and the mix of devices will shift toward cheaper models.19:01
snap-lOuch19:01
snap-l“All things being equal we would love to have these products earlier and not be having this call,” said Jim Balsillie, co-chief executive officer in a conference call with investors. “Because it’s such a big upgrade, it takes longer.”19:02
rick_h__"guys, we can't just reinvent our business into a software service provider overnight...give us time"19:02
snap-lThat's the worst thing to fight when you're a consumer company: consumer apathy.19:02
rick_h__http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20058471-245.html and http://techland.time.com/2011/04/28/baseball-disaster-yanks-leak-21000-ticket-holders-personal-info/19:04
rick_h__that's it, I'm not signing up for anything anymore.19:04
rick_h__good grief...and Kroger wonders why I won't sign up for their stupid rewards card crap19:04
snap-lNo kidding19:04
snap-lWhich is why we shop at Meijer19:05
rick_h__"but it's free and you could save $2"19:05
rick_h__screw it, I'll pay $2 and keep my personal info off your crap network kthx19:05
binbrainlooked up BB news on Google http://twitpic.com/4r2r8s19:05
binbrainlook closely19:05
snap-lrick_h__: You should launch into a 10 minute dissertation on why their card isn't worth it in the checkout lane19:05
rick_h__binbrain: lmao!19:05
binbrainI know right19:06
rick_h__oh crap, that's amazing19:06
snap-lI'm sure the cashier and the people behind you in line would love it19:06
snap-lrick_h__: Yeah, that picture is rude.19:06
snap-lbbl19:13
ColonelPanic001this work thing is dumb. want to go to Pcon, plz19:27
jrwreni don't get it.19:37
jrwrenwhat am I missing?19:38
jrwrenoh, lol... now I see it.19:38
jrwrenwhoa, logocast music sounds good19:51
rick_h__openmetalcast?19:51
jrwrenerr, lococast.20:00
rick_h__oh, some intro music or something?20:00
jrwrenjust the ep 15 intro music was really kickin20:00
rick_h__gotcha20:00
Scott_firebetacan anyone get to cdwg.com  downforeveryoneorjustme.com says it's up but I can't get to it or newegg.com21:12
Blazeixworks for me21:13
Scott_firebetathanks21:13
snap-ljrwren: Yeah, that's Micronaut (Chris Randall's project)21:14
wolfgerOK, who's here now? :-p22:07
wolfgers/here/at Penguicon/22:07
_stink_ColonelPanic001 is on his way22:08
_stink_i'm not in this year22:08
_stink_i actually was pleasantly surprised after looking at the schedule22:08
_stink_some ok looking stuff22:08
wolfgerhurry, ColonelPanic001. You're missing the KDE panel22:08

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