[00:08] <rick_h__> what? there's a panel on unity dividing?
[00:41] <jjesse> finally got 11.04 downloaded
[00:41] <jjesse> now fresh install of my vms :)
[00:41] <rick_h__> sweet
[00:42] <jjesse> can't believe how long the web download was going to take
[00:42] <jjesse> i think at one point it was 19 hours
[00:42] <jjesse> on my fat work connection
[00:42] <jjesse> and my torrent was under 1.5 hours
[00:42] <rick_h__> heh, yea I'm guessing your pip isn't the limiting factor on this one
[00:42] <jjesse> nope
[01:49] <fdvalero> waht's new in Natty
[01:50] <rick_h__> not much :P
[01:58] <snap-l> rick_h__: Yeah, Unity is like a cell
[01:58] <snap-l> and the panel was explaining mitosis
[02:00] <rick_h__> snap-l: this is the one you were recruiting people for?
[02:00] <snap-l> Yep
[02:00] <snap-l> And I need bodies
[02:00] <rick_h__> lol
[02:00] <snap-l> warm bodies that are friendly
[02:01] <snap-l> OK, time to do the dishes.
[02:01] <snap-l> brb
[02:22] <fdvalero> yeah
[02:32] <brousch> Unitydemo and party went really well
[02:32] <rick_h__> awesome, good to hear
[02:32] <brousch> A lot of skeptical people were impressed
[02:33] <rick_h__> yea, I think it'll be a big thing to get people to give things a fair shake
[02:33] <rick_h__> and just ack that there's issues, it's an early release
[02:34] <brousch> i'm glad i brought real hardware instead of a vm
[02:34] <rick_h__> definitely
[02:34] <brousch> ran really well
[02:34] <jjesse> brousch great job :)
[02:34] <greg-g> brousch: awesome!
[02:35] <brousch> also one of the biggest wmlug meetings, 13 people i think
[02:35] <jjesse> n ice
[02:36] <greg-g> congrats, buddy
[02:36] <brousch> i think i demoed for an hour and no one seemed to get bored
[03:02] <greg-g> wow, that is impressive
[12:12] <greg-g> ugh, early
[12:38] <rick_h__> greg-g: heh, meeting
[12:38] <rick_h__> ?
[12:38] <rick_h__> that was supposed to say
[12:51] <rick_h__> snap-l: http://www.blog.pythonlibrary.org/2011/04/28/wxpython-learning-to-use-fonts/
[12:51] <rick_h__> some wx love for you on the planet today
[12:51] <brousch> snap-l is a wxpython fan?
[12:57] <rick_h__> he's been playing with some wx
[13:28] <brousch> rick_h__: you going to try to present at pyohio again?
[13:30] <rick_h__> brousch: yea, think I'm going to submit an SqlAlchemy session
[13:31] <rick_h__> though thinking it would be cool to do a pyramid one, but not a big fan of framework talks since they devolve into 'how fast can you build a cheap wiki'
[13:31] <brousch> heh
[13:31] <brousch> a pyramid talk would be good. maybe goad ramm into one?
[13:36] <rick_h__> http://aws.amazon.com/message/65648/
[13:37] <rick_h__> interesting read
[13:56] <ColonelPanic001> >_>
[14:06] <greg-g> rick_h__: drove up to Lansing with some coworkers for a pre-unconference bootcamp we are leading
[14:06] <greg-g> mine doesn't start until 1pm, but the other coworkers started at 9
[14:07] <rick_h__> ah, party time
[14:32] <_stink_> "pre-unconference bootcamp"
[14:33] <_stink_> wow, quite a phrase
[14:33] <rick_h__> drying out _stink_ ?
[14:33] <ColonelPanic001> dry it out? He has a nice indoor pool. Shouldn't waste that.
[14:33] <_stink_> rick_h__: yeah, got all the carpet and padding out last night after kid went to bed.  now it's sitting soaking in my garage
[14:33] <_stink_> gotta bundle it up for the garbage
[14:33] <rick_h__> ugh
[14:33] <_stink_> but things seem reasonably dry otherwise
[14:34] <_stink_> the line out to the city is snaked out, so no danger for a while.  just gotta decide if we'll put in the exterior access or not
[14:35] <_stink_> so thankful it wasn't sewage water and was just outside rain water.
[14:36] <_stink_> i don't want your poop in my basement.
[14:37] <rick_h__> ah come on, it's roses
[14:37] <greg-g> _stink_: ugh, glad things are getting better, though
[14:37] <jjesse> does your homeowner's insurance cover this
[14:38] <jjesse> when we had a backup homeowners paid for cleanup, and new carpet
[14:38] <_stink_> jjesse: yeah, that's a really good point, someone mentioned that to my wife yesterday
[14:38] <_stink_> i'll have to look
[14:39] <jjesse> insurance company sent out one of those cleaning compaines to put antifungal, etc down and cleaned up the floor
[14:39] <jjesse> which was nice
[14:39] <_stink_> well damn
[14:39] <rick_h__> yea, when we had a backup they would cover it, but it was less than out deductable so didn't bother
[14:39] <rick_h__> but we saved the carpet, just had a drying company out that pulled it up adn setup fans under it
[14:39] <rick_h__> wasn't a total loss/drownage
[14:40] <_stink_> was there padding under that carpet?
[14:40] <rick_h__> yea, but it was ok
[14:40] <_stink_> ah, awesome
[14:40] <rick_h__> well we had to cut some out
[14:40] <_stink_> the padding the previous owner put down is quite the absorber.
[14:40] <ColonelPanic001> why bother keeping the carpet just to repeat this later, though?
[14:41] <rick_h__> well for us it was a failed sump, so we fixed the sump and were good to go again
[14:41] <_stink_> it feels good on the feet?
[14:41] <rick_h__> bah, I'm trying to rip the carpet out of this house bit by bit
[14:41] <rick_h__> hardwood or bust!
[14:41] <_stink_> hehe
[14:43] <ColonelPanic001> I prefer hardwood to carpet often, too
[14:44] <snap-l> Good morning
[14:45] <ColonelPanic001> Hi.
[14:45] <snap-l> rick_h__: thanks! Checking out this article
 Is it out yet? </#ubuntu>
[14:51] <ColonelPanic001> yeah
[14:53] <wolfger> Is anybody at Penguicon yet?
[14:54] <ColonelPanic001> not yet. day job.
[14:55] <greg-g> not yet, leading a bootcamp until 4: http://www.2011.greatlakesthatcamp.org/bootcamps/
[14:56] <greg-g> ok, is it odd that a person with an HP laptop has an apple logo sticker on it?
[14:56] <ColonelPanic001> religion is strong.
[14:57]  * greg-g nods
[14:57] <brousch> it is odd
[14:57] <wolfger> not terribly odd, since every iPhone comes with one of those stickers
[14:58] <brousch> call him on it
[14:58] <ColonelPanic001> leave the guy alone, he was good enough to not use an apple laptop
[14:58] <rick_h__> heh, company issued against his will?
[14:58] <rick_h__> or just figured since he bought an iPod he needs to claim his colors in public to represent?
[14:59] <ColonelPanic001> he musn't anger The Jobs
[14:59] <rick_h__> I watched the latest south park with the apple slams and was disappointed :(
[15:00] <ColonelPanic001> I didn't see it
[15:03] <brousch> i didn't know SP was still on TV
[15:04] <snap-l> I saw a guy at the last CHC with two Apple stickers on a decidedly non-Apple laptop
[15:05] <brousch> report him to steve jobs
[15:06] <rick_h__> heh _stink_ looks like you're in good company, from my woodworking forum: This forum has
[15:06] <rick_h__> received a new topic since your last visit, "flooded basement questions".
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> hah
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> rick_h__: you do much woodowrking?
[15:07] <rick_h__> before the kid
[15:07] <rick_h__> wife hates that she can't park in the garage since it's all woodshop
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> ah. My dad used to do a lot of that. He actually made his and my mom's bed.
[15:07] <rick_h__> but havne't been able to get out there to do it
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> hah, if we had had a garage, it'd probably be the same
[15:08] <ColonelPanic001> that and woodcarving. Used to do that quite a bit
[15:08] <ColonelPanic001> need to get pictures of some of his stuff sometime
[15:08] <rick_h__> https://picasaweb.google.com/deuce868/Cutting_boards# https://picasaweb.google.com/deuce868/Entertainment_center#5395992025616163250
[15:08] <rick_h__> though we have a nice lcd on top of it now vs that old tv
[15:09] <ColonelPanic001> nice. I like it
[15:09] <ColonelPanic001> now combine the two interests, and make a wood computer case.
[15:09] <rick_h__> https://picasaweb.google.com/deuce868/Hall_table#5313766308596653474
[15:09] <rick_h__> heh, seen a few
[15:09] <ColonelPanic001> I've only seen a couple, but they were beautiful
[15:10] <brousch> rick_h__: very nice! i think i saw some of your in-work pictures but not the finished product
[15:10] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, that hall table is nice.
[15:10] <rick_h__> well been a while since I got anything done, but yea
[15:10] <rick_h__> I messed up the drawers on that table. Harder to get smooth drawers than it looks
[15:10] <rick_h__> but the appearance is really good, was my first in-house project
[15:10] <rick_h__> other stuff I built was just for the garage, cabinets/etc
[15:11] <rick_h__> but yea, miss the woodworking some, but can't really do it a lot with the kid and bookie takes up time after he goes to bed
[15:11] <rick_h__> oh well, it'll be more a retirement thing I guess :P
[15:12] <ColonelPanic001> trying to think of what else my dad did. Kitchen cabniets, I think, were his
[15:12] <brousch> nah, once your kid is old enough not to cut his hand off he can help you
[15:12] <jjesse> like 2
[15:12] <ColonelPanic001> my retirement is going to be full of drugs and alcohol. I figure I'll be old and near death anyway. May as well
[15:12] <jjesse> give him a hammer
[15:12] <rick_h__> heh, just need him old enough to play in the yard on his own
[15:36] <ColonelPanic001> I am too far behind on openmetalcast.
[15:36]  * ColonelPanic001 dons earphones
[15:46] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: I'm giving out DVDs of all of the episodes to date at Penguicon. :)
[15:47] <ColonelPanic001> f'ing awesome. Save one for me. ;)
[15:47] <snap-l> Sure thing
[15:47] <ColonelPanic001> still love this podcast idea
[15:47] <ColonelPanic001> listening to ep. 14 now
[15:47] <ColonelPanic001> the only thing that would be nice would be some way of knowing who's playing, while they're playing. Technology restriction, I guess.
[15:48] <ColonelPanic001> jsut because sometimes I'll be listening, suddenly realize the band is awesome, but forget later (I'm usually working while listening)
[15:48] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: i have the same issue. i always have to go to the blog post and try to sort out which one i liked
[15:48] <ColonelPanic001> right
[15:48] <ColonelPanic001> not much to do about it though, I guess.
[15:48] <brousch> that's probably how snap-l makes money
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> that greedy little jerk
[15:49] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Theres something in AAC that will show the album artwork at the same time
[15:49] <snap-l> but that means having to use itunes. :)
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> but in what players, etc?
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> exactly
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> screwwww that.
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> I use netvibes for RSS, I just play it right on the page
[15:49] <brousch> snap-l: you could say the info after every song
[15:50] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, he's doing that right now on the one I'm listening to, actually
[15:50] <snap-l> Er, I mean Garage band or soemthing else.
[15:50] <snap-l> brousch: Um, no. :)
[15:50] <ColonelPanic001> I can live with going through a blog post, anyway
[15:50] <brousch> is that some radio nono?
[15:50] <snap-l> brousch: You'd never listen to it
[15:51] <snap-l> There's no flow
[15:51] <brousch> i'll give you artistic license on it ;)
[15:51] <ColonelPanic001> Execute My Liberty is nice. A little on the "wtf is that gurgling" side, but good, for when I'm in the mood for it
[15:51] <ColonelPanic001> I'm with snap-l. Interrupts flow.
[15:51] <snap-l> Which is why I do the instrumetalcast and Club Metal episodes at the beginning and end of the show
[15:51] <brousch> see, i don't notice flow
[15:52] <snap-l> brousch: Exactly. ;)
[15:52] <snap-l> It just happens
[15:52] <brousch> but probably because i am constantly inturrupted and listen in 10 minute chunks
[15:52] <snap-l> Listen to some of the first episodes. You'll understand what not having flow means.
[15:53] <ColonelPanic001> grabbing this album
[15:53] <snap-l> Good DJs make the music the center of attention
[15:54] <snap-l> Although radio DJs are all about promotion
[15:54] <ColonelPanic001> "Proctologue by Ass Burners from Blasting Poo Armageddon"
[15:54] <snap-l> promote this product, that show, something else.
[15:55] <ColonelPanic001> Must. Not. Laugh. At. Work.
[15:55] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Yeah, thank brousch for that one.
[15:55] <ColonelPanic001> thanks, brousch
[15:55] <brousch> my pleasure. the more assburnings i can spread the better
[15:56] <snap-l> At least the playlist that I made for Penguicon doesn't have anything in a foreign language.
[15:57] <snap-l> The last episode was a tongue-twister.
[15:57] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2011/04/19/open-metalcast-episode-19-there-will-be-potassium/
[15:58] <snap-l> Aliados by shaistrek from Revolucion y Metal (BY-SA), Dual God by Kaiowa from Subliminal Doctrine (BY-NC-SA) <- Both of those were hard to say
[15:59] <ColonelPanic001> hah
[15:59] <brousch> i enjoy listening to you try to pronounce spanish names
[15:59] <ColonelPanic001> hehe
[16:00] <snap-l> brousch: I think I get it most of the time
[16:00] <snap-l> I had several years of Spanish
[16:00] <snap-l> It's the french ones that throw me for a loop
[16:01] <snap-l> I speak French like Peter Sellers
[16:02] <ColonelPanic001> I mostly find it amusing when Craig is so cheerful sounding while announcing songs like "Consumed By Blood"
[16:03] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: that cracks me up too
[16:03] <ColonelPanic001> god, this Procotolouge song is horrible.
[16:03] <ColonelPanic001> hilarious in parts though
[16:03] <brousch> cheerful and mild-mannered
[16:04] <ColonelPanic001> ep 14 was damn good, though. I went on Jamendo in the middle of working on something just to favorite that one album
[16:05] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPyDY5aZyXs
[16:05] <ColonelPanic001> I also approve of that theme song
[16:05] <ColonelPanic001> the track you use is on an album I bought from Magnatune a couple years ago. It's sitting in my car right now.
[16:06] <ColonelPanic001> This "Abduction Starfleet" is awsome. snap-l, you ever listen to any '...And Oceans'?
[16:06] <ColonelPanic001> if you like this, might like them, too
[16:07] <snap-l> Yeah, you menitoned that. I didn't get to it yet. :)
[16:07] <snap-l> Utopia Banished. :)
[16:12] <ColonelPanic001> that's it - I couldn't remember the name of the band, just the album
[16:12] <snap-l> Night of the Black Wyvern?
[16:12] <ColonelPanic001> aye
[16:27] <ColonelPanic001> haha. News Corp. is trying to sell MySpace.
[16:28] <ColonelPanic001> <axl rose>It's gonna diiiiieeeeee</axl rose>
[16:30] <rick_h__> http://twitter.com/#!/jasonbock/status/63979817275637760
[16:30] <rick_h__> awesome
[16:30] <ColonelPanic001> an.. xml format.. for json?
[16:31] <ColonelPanic001> don't we have that? Isn't it called.. xml?
[16:32] <snap-l> rick_h__: That's definitely the fish bicycle we've been looking for
[16:33] <snap-l> And next year, if I decide to do this Open Metalcast DVD thing, it'll be professionally done
[16:33] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[16:33] <snap-l> tired of fighting with Brasero / DVD Burner
[16:33] <snap-l> though it'll likely be more than 4.7GB. ;)
[16:34] <snap-l> It's 2.2GB now
[16:34] <ColonelPanic001> computer set up to automatically mount a USB drive when detected, then copy over the archive, dismount, wait for next.
[16:35] <snap-l> Right, is greg-g planning on bringing his pirate box?
[16:35] <snap-l> Maybe I'll burn an extra for him, just in case.
[16:35] <ColonelPanic001> I still like that "you get random files" idea from before.
[16:36] <snap-l> Also going to burn a copy of the Natty ISOs, just in case someone can't get them
[16:38] <snap-l> Anyone coming to the release party that hasn't RSVPed yet?
[16:38] <rick_h__> me
[16:38] <rick_h__> or did I rsvp? I don't recall
[16:38] <rick_h__> well, I'll probably be there, still one last chance of fallout
[16:38] <snap-l> I'm not seeing a RSVP
[16:38] <rick_h__> k, I'll get the wet noodle
[16:38] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/843/detail/
[16:39] <ColonelPanic001> I'll RSVP too. I should be there by then
[16:39] <rick_h__> greg-g: is coming out tonight?
[16:40] <greg-g> *maybe*
[16:40] <greg-g> with a hopefully tone in my voice
[16:41] <rick_h__> hah
[16:41]  * brousch decides to skip the coming out jokes
[16:43] <snap-l> Thanks, everyone. :)
[16:54] <greg-g> thanks for that message, snap-l
[16:54] <Dekkard> do we have an upgrade server for Natty?
[16:54] <snap-l> greg-g: np
[16:54] <snap-l> Dekkard: Image?
[16:55] <Dekkard> um nmot sure
[16:55] <greg-g> see the topic for the Oakland university mirror, which is still fast
[16:55] <Dekkard> k
[16:55] <Dekkard>  i couldnt even do a Maverick upgrade yesterday net was so hammered
[16:56] <snap-l> I'll add some maverick images as well. ;)
[16:57] <Dekkard> thanks
[16:57] <snap-l> Dekkard: Do you have a CD drive, and a USB key?
[16:57] <snap-l> and are you coming to Penguicon?
[16:58] <Dekkard> yerp
[16:58] <snap-l> OK, I've got the maverick ISOs. I'll burn you a separate copy
[16:58] <snap-l> and I'll put Natty ISOs on there as well
[16:58] <Dekkard> ahhh.. not sure of penguicon
[16:58]  * Dekkard isnt a IT professional like youse guys
[16:59] <snap-l> Dekkard: You don't need to be an IT pro to come to penguicon
[16:59] <snap-l> Not sure where you got that idea. ;)
[16:59] <Dekkard> but I was going to wait a few days.. see if the upgrade from mav to natty was smooth
[16:59] <snap-l> OK, well if you change your mind, I'll have the ISOs there, regardless.
[16:59] <Dekkard> i been to a lug meeting at dragonmeade.. I was the only non pro there
[17:00] <Dekkard> o_0 ---> chef
[17:00] <Dekkard> anyway..lunch service bbl
[17:57] <Dekkard> freekin $50 !!!
[18:11] <snap-l> Dekkard: ?
[18:14] <rick_h__> think he had some penguicon sticker shock
[18:28] <jcastro> OMG LOL
[18:28] <jcastro> snap-l: this was on reddit
[18:28] <jcastro> http://i.imgur.com/zdIIa.png
[18:30] <rick_h__> wtf, running ubuntu VM seemless on a Mac?
[18:31] <binbrain> that's windows
[18:31] <rick_h__> yea, gotcha
[18:31] <binbrain> isn't it?
[18:31] <rick_h__> yea, think it's the toolbar just dragged left
[18:32] <jcastro> binbrain: they're saving that the unity launcher is like windows 7 and  that the top menu part is a mac
[18:33] <snap-l> I think someone was making a statement via photoshop
[18:55] <rick_h__> man, where's the BB fan with all this gloom and BB doom going on
[18:59] <snap-l> Whassat?
[18:59] <rick_h__> tjagoda or whatever his nick is
[18:59] <rick_h__> shares are down almost 20%, BB doing a special earnings report pre-warning everyone it's all down
[18:59] <brousch> i know, i was just about to post it and then realized he is probably passed out drunk at pcon already
[18:59] <snap-l> No, I mean what's the doom and gloom?
[18:59] <snap-l> Holy shit. That's major
[18:59] <rick_h__> http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=blackberry
[19:00] <snap-l> http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-04-28/rim-plunges-after-cutting-profit-forecast-on-blackberry-demand.html
[19:00] <rick_h__> they had to come out before their earnings report and go "Umm, dudes...you're not going to like this, but we'll let you know tomorrow. Just promise not to be mad mkay"
[19:01] <snap-l> RIM said BlackBerry shipments will be at the lower end of the range of 13.5 million to 14.5 million it projected last month, and the mix of devices will shift toward cheaper models.
[19:01] <snap-l> Ouch
[19:02] <snap-l> “All things being equal we would love to have these products earlier and not be having this call,” said Jim Balsillie, co-chief executive officer in a conference call with investors. “Because it’s such a big upgrade, it takes longer.”
[19:02] <rick_h__> "guys, we can't just reinvent our business into a software service provider overnight...give us time"
[19:02] <snap-l> That's the worst thing to fight when you're a consumer company: consumer apathy.
[19:04] <rick_h__> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20058471-245.html and http://techland.time.com/2011/04/28/baseball-disaster-yanks-leak-21000-ticket-holders-personal-info/
[19:04] <rick_h__> that's it, I'm not signing up for anything anymore.
[19:04] <rick_h__> good grief...and Kroger wonders why I won't sign up for their stupid rewards card crap
[19:04] <snap-l> No kidding
[19:05] <snap-l> Which is why we shop at Meijer
[19:05] <rick_h__> "but it's free and you could save $2"
[19:05] <rick_h__> screw it, I'll pay $2 and keep my personal info off your crap network kthx
[19:05] <binbrain> looked up BB news on Google http://twitpic.com/4r2r8s
[19:05] <binbrain> look closely
[19:05] <snap-l> rick_h__: You should launch into a 10 minute dissertation on why their card isn't worth it in the checkout lane
[19:05] <rick_h__> binbrain: lmao!
[19:06] <binbrain> I know right
[19:06] <rick_h__> oh crap, that's amazing
[19:06] <snap-l> I'm sure the cashier and the people behind you in line would love it
[19:06] <snap-l> rick_h__: Yeah, that picture is rude.
[19:13] <snap-l> bbl
[19:27] <ColonelPanic001> this work thing is dumb. want to go to Pcon, plz
[19:37] <jrwren> i don't get it.
[19:38] <jrwren> what am I missing?
[19:38] <jrwren> oh, lol... now I see it.
[19:51] <jrwren> whoa, logocast music sounds good
[19:51] <rick_h__> openmetalcast?
[20:00] <jrwren> err, lococast.
[20:00] <rick_h__> oh, some intro music or something?
[20:00] <jrwren> just the ep 15 intro music was really kickin
[20:00] <rick_h__> gotcha
[21:12] <Scott_firebeta> can anyone get to cdwg.com  downforeveryoneorjustme.com says it's up but I can't get to it or newegg.com
[21:13] <Blazeix> works for me
[21:13] <Scott_firebeta> thanks
[21:14] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, that's Micronaut (Chris Randall's project)
[22:07] <wolfger> OK, who's here now? :-p
[22:07] <wolfger> s/here/at Penguicon/
[22:08] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001 is on his way
[22:08] <_stink_> i'm not in this year
[22:08] <_stink_> i actually was pleasantly surprised after looking at the schedule
[22:08] <_stink_> some ok looking stuff
[22:08] <wolfger> hurry, ColonelPanic001. You're missing the KDE panel