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* canthus13 doesn't have a windows phone either.. and MS tracking your every move would just seem to be expected.00:00
dmcglonewassup01:08
Unit193dmcglone: Did ta update?01:08
dmcglonenot yet :-/01:09
dmcgloneI'm about to download and run a live session01:09
Unit193Lubuntu has made some *great* changes! And so has Xubuntu! Now I just need to look at Kubuntu (and maybe Ubuntu)01:10
dmcglonedownloading right now :-)01:12
dmcgloneabout 8 more minutes01:13
Derath-SrvrFor quick reference (detaching again soon), it's not hateful, the dock is rather nice, they went OSx (or bsd, unsure) style with the "File, Edit, View" menu, but I still like my kicker panel... picking an application from the list is painful...01:17
Derath-SrvrAll in all, I'll more than likely stay with KDE, might put the new gnome into a vm and check it out later...01:17
Derath-SrvrDetaching...01:17
* dmcglone is wanting this new hearing aid http://products.cochlearamericas.com/cochlear-implants/nucleus-5-system01:24
dmcglonebrb01:37
dmcglonewell I couldn't get it to boot, it drops to a shell after about 10 minutes02:08
canthus13dmcglone: Woo.. stereo implants.  When is surround sound coming?02:27
dmcgloneHa Ha, a non working, non booting release. is it even a release?02:34
dmcglonetime to start looking for alternatives02:35
dmcglone:-/02:35
dmcgloneHmmm, Suse uses KDE, nope, Fedora uses Gnome, Hmmm maybe. mandrake uses KDE I believe, so nope02:36
Unit193dmcglone: http://i.imgur.com/kJM8e.png02:41
dmcgloneUnit193: is that a screen of your live session?02:42
Unit193LiveVM!02:43
canthus13dmcglone: Might check out crunchbang.02:43
dmcglonehow come mine will not boot from USB stick?02:43
canthus13dmcglone: Oh. update to vbox 4.0.6 to get it to boot right.02:43
dmcgloneit starts scrolling a ton of random caracters02:43
dmcglonemaybe the ISO was corrupt02:44
Unit193^^^ Was Lubuntu not Ubuntu (thought you might want a screenie)02:45
dmcgloneI have started to despise kde02:47
Unit193Started? I don't think you just started...02:49
dmcgloneI started when they did the re-write, and it progressively got worse02:50
dmcgloneafter a few years using ubuntu, I realized how much darn work KDE was just to keep it around02:50
Unit193Here we go: http://imgur.com/a/ppfTE (The Xubuntu one is B2)02:50
dmcglonethe xubuntu doesn't look too bad02:53
dmcgloneI'm looking at crunchbang right now too02:53
dmcglonewhy download crunchbang when one can just download and install openbox02:55
dmcglonecome to think of it, why get UBU 11.04, i'll just upgrade to gnome 302:56
canthus13dmcglone: Because crunchbang is configured well. Openbox in Ubuntu is a pain in the ass to get usable.03:06
dmcgloneouch03:06
Unit193You pick #! because other people already set it up for you (That's also why you pick Ubuntu)03:07
paultagor be like me and write your own :)03:20
paultagI should finish syn03:20
dmcglonepaultag: you write it, we will use it ;-)03:21
paultagdmcglone: it's so super unstable03:21
paultagdmcglone: stick to debian :)03:21
paultagdebian rocks so hardcore03:21
dmcgloneI'm trying to stick to it, I'm downloading a fresh ISO hoping the first one was corrupt.03:22
paultagdmcglone: debian? I've had no issues with squeeze03:22
paultagdmcglone: what's wrong?03:22
paultagdmcglone: try ubuntu if debian's failing03:22
dmcglonebut if it fails, I've still got this here 10.10 until I can find an alternative. My best bet is fedora03:22
paultagdmcglone: there are literally tons of debian-derived OSes that are really nice03:23
dmcgloneUbuntu 11.04 is failing03:23
Unit193paultag: You killed off fubuntu-desktop, correct?03:23
paultagUnit193: yeah, it was getting no love at all03:23
paultagUnit193: but it's easy to reproduce03:23
Unit193dmcglone: I have looked at them all (And put half in VM)03:24
paultagdebian stable + fluxbox has never failed me yet03:24
paultagunstable has, but that'03:24
paultagthat's fine03:24
* Cheri703 has a fb page for her business now03:24
* paultag hugs Cheri703 03:24
Unit193paultag: Take a look at Awesome03:24
paultagCheri703: howareya?03:24
paultagUnit193: Awesome is OK03:24
Cheri703ok overall :) you?03:24
paultagUnit193: I don't like it, it's a bit unwieldy03:24
paultagCheri703: meh :)03:24
Cheri703did you ever take a look at that logo I slapped together?03:25
paultagCheri703: yeah, I thought it was super funny :)03:25
Cheri703heh03:25
paultagPaul(tag)  :)03:25
Cheri703hooray google and someone who made a house font :)03:25
dmcgloneI just don't have it in me to change desktops. I want to stick to gnome03:25
paultagCheri703: :)03:25
Cheri703well, I figured with the house m.d. thing...eh03:25
paultagdmcglone: you can run fluxbox + gnome :)03:25
paultagCheri703: I <3 House so much03:25
paultagI wana be just like him03:25
Cheri703I like it better now that he's not dating cuddy anymore03:26
dmcgloneI use to like house, it got old to me03:26
paultagCheri703: yeah for sure03:26
paultagCheri703: this last episode was nuts!!03:26
Cheri703cuddy is kind of annoying03:26
paultagCheri703: she really is03:26
dmcgloneI want to be more like Bill Cosby!03:26
Cheri703the one with the chickens?03:26
dmcglonebill cosby is calm, cool and collected, funny and warm hearted all the time.. How's he do it?03:27
paultaghouse is brilliant, direct and in the end, a huge positive force on the world03:28
dmcgloneI like being direct too03:28
Cheri703dmcglone: http://thecelebritycafe.com/features/8052.html  :/03:29
dmcglonebut he's just got that stubbornness I can't get over03:29
paultagdmcglone: he's not stubborn03:29
paultagdmcglone: he demands proof or a sane theory, and he'll change his mind right then and there03:29
paultagdmcglone: and I'm the same way03:29
Cheri703paultag: I'm generally like that too, always have been03:30
paultagI will go 180 degrees on something if someone can argue it right03:30
paultagCheri703: aye, it's great03:30
Cheri703I HAAAAATED the "because I'm the parent and I said so"03:30
dmcglonethats true, I mistaked that for stuborness03:30
paultagCheri703: OMG YES!03:30
Cheri703OMG JUST TELL ME WHYYYY YOU WANT ME TO DO IT, even if I don't agree, I want to know that YOU have a logical reason for asking it of me03:30
paultagrigght!!!!03:30
paultagat least then I can learn something, or see something from a new point of view03:31
paultagsaying "because because" is just so fucking insulting03:31
dmcgloneCheri703: with all these lawsuits over sexual stuff, nothing is believable anymore03:31
Cheri703dmcglone: that was 5 years ago03:31
* paultag goes away03:31
Cheri703so...it's not exactly new03:31
Cheri703research it yourself03:31
Cheri703I was surprised to hear about it myself03:32
dmcglonekobe bryant, magic johnson, bill cosby, and numerous others03:32
Cheri703yeah...and just because many men are doing it, that means they AREN'T?!  that kind of logic is ridiculous03:32
dmcglonethats not what I said03:32
Unit193Some people see it as quick money (You stopped in front of me, I'll sue you!)03:33
Cheri70310 years ago, 50 famous men could sexually assault women, less than 5 would probably report it, now, 50 men commit sexual assault, probably more than 20 will report it, but that makes it not believable because there are so many?!03:33
* Cheri703 doesn't understand that03:33
dmcgloneWhat I'm saying is celebrities are rich03:33
dmcgloneNo03:33
Cheri703....bah, I can't have this conversation03:33
dmcgloneUnit193: said it03:33
dmcgloneMoney talks bullshit walks03:34
Cheri703"you stopped in front of me" =/= "you put your penis in me without permission" or "you touched my breasts without permission"03:34
dmcgloneCheri703: what is this about?03:34
Unit193Cheri703: I'm not saying it doesn't happen all too often. What I'm saying is, too many people false report it!03:34
dmcglonenobody isn't saying it doesn't happen03:35
paultagUnit193: yes, but there are many people who don't speak up as well03:35
Cheri703I agree with you if it were "bill cosby got sued for a traffic accident" not sexual assault03:35
dmcgloneright Unit19303:35
Cheri703something like 80% of sexual assault is not reported03:35
Unit193paultag: Sadly, the younger ones more often03:35
paultagLook, I'm not advocating falsely reporting sexual assult - I'm a guy, guys usually get the short end of the stick when it comes to that03:36
paultagbut to chalk up sexual assult reports to being false is abhorent03:36
Unit193paultag: I didn't say that it was!03:36
paultagUnit193: I know03:37
paultagI'm just saying03:37
dmcgloneI also think some famous people like Kobe bryant would do it because they think they are rich and famous and can get away with it03:37
paultagthe system's fucked, but it's fucked all around, so it's wash03:37
Cheri703ALL of them should get investigated. and you know that a celebrity as big as bill cosby (or kobe or whoever else) would have enough money to make it go away if it was false, so...if they're going to pay out a settlement or even get charged with a crime in the first place, then there is most likely something to it03:37
paultagCheri703: +1, there's a reason rich people can poof away lawsuits03:37
paultagand that's because they can lock up the legal system and the defendents with good layers03:38
paultagit's a fucked system all around03:38
dmcglonethats the good ol USA03:38
Cheri703and that's when they DID do it, if they didn't, then it doesn't even get that far. there is a MUCH higher standard of proof if the accused is famous03:38
Cheri703before they'll even question/suspect them03:38
paultagdmcglone: damn skippy03:38
dmcgloneWell Cheri703 no need to get in a pickle over it03:39
paultagdmcglone: we're just talking here03:39
Cheri703and dmcglone so many people have the attitude of assuming women are just out for money instead of assuming the men are taking advantage of their status and treating women like cattle...it's not a good attitude to perpetuate03:40
dmcgloneI just sit an imagine an 80 year old man assaulting somebody :-/03:40
Cheri703so...yeah, I think it needs to be discussed, at least to a degree03:40
paultagdmcglone: speaking of03:40
paultagdmcglone: that actually happened03:40
Cheri703it happens03:40
Cheri703it happens ALL THE TIME03:40
paultagdmcglone: here, at my uni03:40
paultagI don't think he was 8003:42
paultagbut he was about 6003:42
paultagwhen you're 80, you're not doing shit03:42
Cheri703http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/14204414/detail.html03:42
Cheri703first result for "80 yr old sexual assault"03:42
Cheri703it happens03:42
Cheri703http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2032156&spid=03:43
Cheri703aaanyway, paultag any word from clevelanders that might be going to cbus on sunday?03:45
paultagCheri703: no word here :(03:45
Cheri703:(03:45
paultagCheri703: I took a greyhound last time03:45
paultagCheri703: we stopped in mansfield03:45
* Cheri703 is BRRRRRROOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKE03:45
paultagCheri703: I remember a prison03:45
Cheri703:)03:45
Cheri703yeah03:45
paultagCheri703: dang03:45
paultagCheri703: if I wen't broke too, I'd spot you03:46
Cheri703no worries03:46
Cheri703just a bummer I can't be there :/03:46
paultagyeah :(03:46
Cheri703if jacob is around at some point, I have some ubuntu-women resources he could print out for the info table03:46
Cheri703ha, paultag I'm doing a remote "virus scan/optimize/whatever" job...this lady doesn't want to be without her computer, even overnight, so hooray for teamviewer :)03:47
Cheri703making $50 without getting off the couch? priceless :D03:48
Unit193Would be nice to go to the C-Bus thing...03:48
Cheri703yeah Unit193, I'd really like to go :/03:48
dmcgloneOk USB boot done, gonna reboot and see if this ISO boots or not03:48
paultagCheri703: wooo! :)03:48
Cheri703was going to wish him luck03:48
Cheri703heck yeah03:48
Unit193I want to tell him to get a VM...03:49
Cheri703anyone else having errors accessing blogger blogs today?03:49
Cheri703I keep getting a weird error when I try to look at my brother's03:49
Cheri703Unit193: I may put 11.04 on the crappy laptop I was using while my netbook was off for repairs. it's a pos, and I don't use it much, so easy enough to swap OS as needed03:50
Unit193Ohhhhh! Try Lubuntu! Last update was a major facelift! (bad term....)03:52
Unit193I posted screenshots if you looked at them...03:54
Cheri703I will probably stick with gnome-y things03:54
Cheri703I like my gnome software03:54
Unit193What works for you!03:55
paultagyeah, I'm not a huge fan of LXDE03:56
paultagfluxbox, xfwm, compiz, metacity, kwin (in order of window managers)03:56
paultagusually I'll put gnome on top, or at least chunks of gnome03:57
Unit193What don't you like in it?03:57
paultagUnit193: it's awkward and bulky. it's light weight enough, but the interface is clunky03:57
paultagand not easy to hack on03:57
paultagfluxbox and xfwm are both a snap to get to do what you want03:58
Unit193Eh. As I said, I think they did a good job this round...03:58
paultagUnit193: it's lubuntu not lxde03:58
paultagUnit193: the backend is the same, nothing's changed for me03:58
paultagthe interface might be newish, but lxde is lxde03:58
Unit193I know Lubuntu uses LXDE...03:59
paultagthat's what I'm saying03:59
Unit193The config files are not all that bad...03:59
Unit193I'll use any flavor but Ubuntu main/Unity...04:01
dmcglonewell that was a no go04:01
dmcgloneUnit193: I would use a VM but I'm not sure if it will run well on my netbook :-/04:12
dmcgloneso far I'm assuming 11.04 is  a complete bust04:13
dmcglonewell if worse comes to worse, I'll just hop over to fedora, they seem to have their heads on correctly04:14
dmcgloneI'm sticking with Gnome. SuSE has a Gnome option so I might try that too.04:15
* canthus13 discovered that natty won't run properly in vbox until vbox is updateed to 4.0.6 (which came out early this morning...)04:36
canthus13Still boots slow as fuck, though.04:36
Cheri703can someone suggest good movies / tv shows to ...acquire for my long flights?04:37
Cheri703also: hi canthus13 :)04:37
canthus13Cheri703: The royal wedding?04:37
Cheri703ha, no04:37
canthus13It'll put you to sleep... :)04:37
canthus13Have you seen all of SG-1?04:37
* Cheri703 could not physically care any less about that04:37
Cheri703yep04:37
Cheri703well...04:37
canthus13Firefly?04:37
Cheri703all of it that I cared to watch04:37
Cheri703yep04:38
canthus13Including the movie?04:38
Cheri703yep04:38
canthus13Hmm.. The Crow: Stairway to Heaven? (The short-lived series in the 90's)04:38
canthus13It was a great show.04:38
Cheri703no, but I've seen all of the crow movies04:38
canthus13(If you liked the original crow movie)04:38
Cheri703I'll put it on the list04:38
canthus13It stayed closest to Brandon Lee's character.04:38
Cheri703just attempted deadwood, but couldn't get into it, watched 3 episodes. also finished all 5 seasons of six feet under today04:39
canthus13United States of Tara is entertaining.04:40
Cheri703I saw something about it04:40
Unit193Mr Sunshine ;)04:40
canthus13Oh. Falling Down is a good flick.04:40
Cheri703not heard of those04:41
Unit193Major Payne04:41
canthus13Heh. Surprisingly, I liked that one.04:41
Unit193It's a funny one!04:41
Cheri703ha, yeah, saw that one04:41
* canthus13 pokes through his media server.04:42
Unit193Primeval, V04:42
Unit193Merlin04:43
canthus13American Psyco was fun.  Eastern Promises is good... Reservoir Dogs... Taxi Driver... Goonies... Taken...The whole Millenium Trilogy (The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, etc), Tank Girl....04:43
Cheri703I have 3 lists: things to watch, have watched (just started that list...will be growing exponentially), and "started to watch but didn't like" because sometimes I'll start watching something and go "waaaaait, I think I've seen this"04:44
Cheri703I turned off american psycho as soon as he stomped the dog. I was done04:44
Cheri703most of the rest of those (not girl with dragon tattoo though)04:44
Cheri703oooooooo....this is the perfect time for a movie with subtitles!04:44
Cheri703I won't be distracted by other things (I often listen to movies/shows vs watching them)04:45
Unit193I need them lists ;)04:45
canthus13Cheri703: If you have the stomach for the rape scene (which is a central to the whole series), then Millenium trilogy is excellent.04:46
Cheri703I've heard it was good04:46
canthus13(little spoiler, but it is a bit intense, so I warn people..)04:46
Cheri703Unit193: once I reach anywhere close to completion on the have watched, I'll send it to you04:47
canthus13I loved it.04:47
Unit193Cheri703: Sweet! Thanks!04:47
Cheri703movies are going to be hard, remembering all of the ones I've seen o.O04:47
Cheri703though there are still many tv shows to add that I'm not thinking of atm04:47
Unit193I know how that works04:48
Cheri703I liked city of god, but saw it years ago04:48
Cheri703now I want foreign film recommendations :)04:48
canthus13Cheri703: The japanese version of The Ring04:50
Cheri703meh, don't do horror movies that much04:51
Unit193Thing that's holding me back from upgrading to 11.04? I would have to close irssi..05:45
TheErkHola07:13
Unit193TheErk: Hello again!07:14
TheErkWhats shakin?07:15
Unit193Watching last weeks Doctor Who07:15
Unit193Upgradeing?07:17
TheErkYep.07:24
Unit193Unity? (We already went into this today)07:26
TheErkLove it07:27
TheErkI've been running beta for a while07:27
Unit193You're the first!07:47
Derath-SrvrHi all14:20
canthus13Morning.14:59
thafreakSo, I'm running unity on my one workstation at home15:09
Derath-SrvrReally?15:10
thafreakHaven't had the wife try it yet15:10
thafreakyep...it's more or less a "nettop" machine...mostly just for web browsing anyway15:10
Derath-SrvrAh...15:10
thafreaknot sure I'd install it at work....15:11
thafreakcourse, I'm not sure what I'm going to do at work now...15:11
thafreakcanthus13 made it sound like "classic" gnome in 11.04 sucks...but I'm running 10.10 at work now...need to upgrade15:12
thafreakmaybe it's time to switch to KDE? >:)15:12
Derath-SrvrSo, I saw the classic gnome in my vm, and it looks the same as the old gnome to me...15:14
Derath-SrvrAt least the old ubuntu gnomes15:14
Derath-SrvrSo that's still an option, and when unity crashed on me and left me at a terminal it was because of the xorg that vbox created...15:14
thafreakwhat's really weird...they didn't figure out how to get unity running in a KVM vm...which is the preferred hypervisor for ubuntu15:15
thafreakit's what all their cloud stuff uses15:16
Derath-SrvrEither way, like I said last night, there are some things I do like about it (I like some aspects of the "dock bar") and there are some I don't like (size of the icons, and how big the menu has to be to see all the programs installed, and you have to right click the "All Apps" to get a segregated menu (Internet, Office, System, etc)15:16
Derath-SrvrUnity required 3d accel, does KVM even give that ability?15:16
thafreakI think if you use spice15:18
thafreakbut they're dragging their feet to get spice in ubuntu15:18
Derath-Srvr#gm And that also doesn't make sense to me... if Unity requires 3d Accel/opengl, and in order to get those, you have to install the proprietary drivers (At least nvidia)15:19
Derath-Srvrerr... ignore the #gm...15:19
thafreakThey're so focused on only virtualizing server stuff...they're going to miss this virtual desktop ship if they don't get on board here soon15:19
Derath-SrvrSo an nvidia use cannot use Unity UNTIL they install the restricted drivers15:19
thafreakoh really...15:20
thafreakI thought the open source nvidia drivers finally did some 3d stuff?15:20
Derath-SrvrNot sure on the state of the nv (foss) driver for 3d accel, last I heard it still didn't support it well15:20
thafreakhonestly kind of sad that intel has the best performing open source drivers then...15:21
Derath-Srvrbah...15:21
thafreakunity worked fine on my nettop with intel gma hardware15:21
Derath-Srvrfor everything BUT graphics...15:21
thafreakand I didn't install any restricted drivers15:21
Derath-SrvrYeah, but GMA graphics cards still suck for anything more than wobbly windows...15:21
thafreaksure...but atleast unity works out of the box with them :)15:22
thafreaknot that unity is much of a selling point to the die hard people15:22
Derath-SrvrI'm still a firm believer of nVidia == OpenGL/Games, ATI == Video Editing/Decoding, GMA == server graphics...15:22
thafreaksure...but you can get an atom barebones machine (case, psu, mb, etc) for <$8015:24
Derath-SrvrAnd?15:24
thafreakthey make decent workstations15:25
Derath-SrvrI'm a builder myself... the only thing I would use that box for would be something along the lines of a nettop/browser machine, maybe a mythtv client...15:25
Derath-SrvrOr maybe for a node in a cluster...15:26
thafreakwhich is all I ever need anymore...15:26
thafreakwell, ok I do do some gimp work once in a while...15:26
Derath-Srvreither way... if I were to build a "system" now, it would be an intel based, with either nvidia or ati card depending on role :)15:26
thafreaknah, my home hardware are multi-core amd's running lots of VMS in the basement :)15:27
Derath-SrvrI've been running into issues with thermals on amds lately...15:27
thafreakand a nettop upstairs run terminal windows/virt-manager, etc :)15:27
Derath-SrvrDon't get me wrong, I REALLY like amd, just wish they were a little more stable...15:28
Derath-SrvrI like the thermal resistor that's in the intels, and I know amd has the circuit present, they just have never turned it on...15:28
thafreakI've never had a thermal problem with amd, except for one at my one apartment, but the AC was broke in the apt, and it was like 80-90 in there all the time15:28
thafreakand that was an athlon xp 180015:29
Derath-SrvrRight now, most of my house is laptops... big difference in amd/intel there...15:29
thafreakah...15:29
thafreakI've got a few, but I dread setting them up...so much work15:30
thafreakpull it out, plug everything in...blah15:30
Derath-SrvrMy amd lappys are useless unless they are on cihllmats, and one of them won't even run > 30 secs with a flash video...15:30
Derath-Srvrerr chillmats rather15:31
thafreakthat sucks15:31
Derath-SrvrMy intel lappy tho is running like a champ (the s76 pang)15:31
thafreakI tend to only use the laptops when I'm not at home...or if I want to work in front of the TV...which I tend to not really work much then15:31
Derath-SrvrWas short on cash, and needed a laptop for school, so lappys quickly because my primary... although now that I have real income, I may build a couple systems soon15:32
thafreakcourse my laptops are currently intels....save the one OLD one...athlon xp 150015:32
thafreaki had an amd based one come to think of it...lasted maybe 2 years, then just was toast one morning15:33
Derath-SrvrExactly lol15:33
thafreaki really liked it too...was nice and small...I think it was only a 12"...15:34
thafreakbigger than a netbook, but still small enough to be really portable15:34
thafreakand it actually had virtualization extensions in the cpu...unlike my stupid intels...15:35
thafreakmakes me want to punch intel in the face...and myself, for just assuming all the newer intels would have it enabled15:35
* Derath-Srvr smirks15:36
thafreakI spent probably 20 hours trying to figure out how to enable it...then I find out they just left it out of a few models of cpus...15:36
Cheri703hey boys15:36
thafreakjust happened to be the two I bought...bastards15:36
Derath-SrvrHey Cheri15:36
thafreaksup Cheri70315:36
Cheri703thafreak: are you going down to cbus on sunday for the thing?15:36
Derath-SrvrStill no ride yet Cheri?15:37
Cheri703no :(15:37
Derath-Srvr:(15:37
Cheri703this thing was partially my idea! way back in the early stages! I want to go! Was hoping someone would pop up and say they were driving down, but it's not really looking like too many outside of columbus will be there, which is a bummer15:38
jacobCheri703: I'm not even sure I'll be able to go :/15:38
Cheri703:(15:38
jacobwhich I feel pretty bad about15:38
Cheri703I had been hoping for a saturday15:38
Derath-SrvrWrong side of the state here, as well as wife would kill me... lol15:38
jacobon top of that, i haven't had a chance to go home and pick up that banner, either. still no car, d'oh.15:39
Cheri703:(15:41
Cheri703if I were coming down, I'd stop off and get it :) your home is in powell, yeah?15:41
jacobdelaware, but close15:41
Cheri703I knew it was around there15:41
thafreakI *HATE* recruiters15:42
jacobanyway, i've got to head out to class, see you all later15:43
thafreakno cleveland folks are going?15:43
Cheri703not that I've heard from. I put a call out to the mailing list15:43
Cheri703:/15:43
thafreakno one seems to ever respond to anything on the mailing list...unless it's for humor...15:44
thafreakthen people get pissed and leave the mailling list15:44
Derath-SrvrYeah, that's been bothering me too...15:45
Derath-SrvrWe have these spurts of traffic on the ML, and only a small part is relevant...15:46
Derath-SrvrCheri, I would try the mailing list one more time to see if you can get a ride...16:08
Cheri703yeah, I may16:08
Derath-SrvrSince it's closer to the date, might have people that had decided to come by now..16:09
Derath-SrvrGranted I think the short notice hurt us more than anything else16:09
canthus13thafreak: I'm sticking with 10.10 and hoping 11.10 is better.17:40
Unit193Cheri703: I'm still not 100% sure friends are not going17:43
Cheri703ok17:43
Cheri703let me know17:47
canthus13Cheri703: Now I *HAVE* to get another sully.  I've got a friend going to mexico before you get back....18:37
Cheri703heh18:37
deejoehttp://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2227#comic <- paultag19:04
paultagdeejoe: oh son of a bitch19:06
deejoepaultag: just play "The Actual Game"19:07
deejoealso, your posting filter seems to be broken ;-)19:07
deejoeI enjoy the Actual Game quite a lot19:07
paultagdeejoe: yeah I ditched that shit19:08
paultagdeejoe: yeah, for sure19:08
Unit193http://imgur.com/KJGKA?full19:08
paultagUnit193: yeah, we just went over that :)19:09
Unit193I was here19:09
paultagI've been playing since middle school :)19:09
paultagor high school freshman year19:09
paultagwhever 4chan was a part of my life19:09
paultagdark times19:10
paultagBBL19:14
Unit193paultag: Maybe a little NSFW: http://imgur.com/a/kbzTZ (4th one down about right?19:47
thafreakSo, it looks like I'm going to do another MS degree...this time in the brand new "Digital Sciences"...20:03
thafreakAlso, sounds like "the impact of open source in the enterprise" is a viable thesis topic...20:03
thafreakmight actually *want* to write that!20:04
* thafreak actually testing out kubuntu 11.04 in a vm...might as well20:11
thafreakAny other window managers that use GTK? I ask, because I'm more a fan of GTK (as a programmer) than QT...20:14
thafreakand if gnome is going to get sucky...might want to look at alternatives20:14
thafreakis xfce and lde (or whatever lubuntu is based on) gtk based? anyone know?20:15
* Derath-Srvr shrugs20:16
deejoeso, what's the beef about Unity, again?20:40
* deejoe has finally given Natty a spin in KVM20:40
deejoehmm.  everything was doing fine with "kvm -cdrom ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso" until I tried to run firefox20:40
deejoeso now I'm adding "-m 1G" since it seemed to be trying to limp along on only 384M20:40
Derath-Srvrdeejoe: aside from the preferred interface... unity appears to need to have 3d accel in order to even run, otherwise falls back to "classic gnome"20:44
deejoeoh, so what I'm seeing in kvm is classic gnome20:44
Derath-Srvryep...20:44
deejoethat'w why I'm all "so what is the bfd?"20:44
deejoehaha, great20:45
Derath-Srvrdunno if kvm supports guest 3d accel... vbox does after guest additions are installed...20:45
deejoealso, wtfg Canonical, using something you can't test in a vm20:45
Derath-Srvrwhich is how I was able ot see it yesterday...20:45
deejoeoh20:45
deejoeyeah, well, vbox doesn't like that I have VT turned on in the BIOS of this machine20:45
Derath-Srvr?20:46
Derath-Srvreven with 4.0.6?20:46
deejoehey, it's what it told me20:46
deejoewell, no20:46
Derath-SrvrI've never had a problem with having the bios options on...20:46
deejoeI'm using whatever comes in the 10.04 repository20:46
Derath-Srvractually, ran faster when I did do that...20:46
deejoeI don't have the time, let alone the inclination, to shave that yak20:46
deejoe"VirtualBox can't operate in VMX root mode. Please disable the KVM kernel extension, recompile your kernel and reboot (VERR_VMX_IN_VMX_ROOT_MODE)"20:48
deejoeuh, no.20:48
Derath-SrvrAh... it's not the bios then... is the kvm kernel module...20:49
deejoeI don't want to do any of those things singly, let alone do all of them.20:49
deejoeI suppose I could modprobe -r20:49
deejoemaybe I'll try that after I get this paperwork done.20:49
Derath-Srvrone of the things I can't understand though... is the nv module good enough at this point ot support 3d accel?20:49
deejoeOr, maybe I'll forget about it for another 6 months. ;-)20:49
Derath-SrvrOtherwise, until users install the nvidia or ati drivers, they won't be able to see unity...20:50
Derath-Srvrnicotine... brb20:50
Derath-Srvrback21:01
BiosElementDerath-Srvr: I think it was21:36
BiosElementI know the nv drivers are getting pretty darn good21:36
canthus13That's like calling a Yugo a car.21:48
BiosElementcanthus13: I use nv 24/7 currently since the 'official' drivers crash on fullscreen transparent windows21:49
canthus13Weird. I never have issues the  nvidia drivers.21:58
* canthus13 has installed them on at least 8 different machines.21:59
BiosElementcanthus13: It only shows for me in Kunbut with konsole, but the source is a buffer overflow in the gpu due to shitty coding apparently21:59
canthus13Ah. KDE issue.. :)22:01
BiosElementAhh, nice try but no, it isn't. I've debugged it past KDE.22:02
BiosElementI can break it in gnome too22:02
canthus13:)22:02
BiosElementTotal screen freeze = not f'ing cool22:02
* canthus13 had that happen.. traced it to a freaking chipset desoldering itself.22:03
canthus13who the fsck uses 60C-rated solder on a video chipset?22:03
BiosElement>.>22:04
thafreakhahaha http://i.imgur.com/zdIIa.png22:09
canthus13I agree.22:11

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