[00:00]  * canthus13 doesn't have a windows phone either.. and MS tracking your every move would just seem to be expected.
[01:08] <dmcglone> wassup
[01:08] <Unit193> dmcglone: Did ta update?
[01:09] <dmcglone> not yet :-/
[01:09] <dmcglone> I'm about to download and run a live session
[01:10] <Unit193> Lubuntu has made some *great* changes! And so has Xubuntu! Now I just need to look at Kubuntu (and maybe Ubuntu)
[01:12] <dmcglone> downloading right now :-)
[01:13] <dmcglone> about 8 more minutes
[01:17] <Derath-Srvr> For quick reference (detaching again soon), it's not hateful, the dock is rather nice, they went OSx (or bsd, unsure) style with the "File, Edit, View" menu, but I still like my kicker panel... picking an application from the list is painful...
[01:17] <Derath-Srvr> All in all, I'll more than likely stay with KDE, might put the new gnome into a vm and check it out later...
[01:17] <Derath-Srvr> Detaching...
[01:24]  * dmcglone is wanting this new hearing aid http://products.cochlearamericas.com/cochlear-implants/nucleus-5-system
[01:37] <dmcglone> brb
[02:08] <dmcglone> well I couldn't get it to boot, it drops to a shell after about 10 minutes
[02:27] <canthus13> dmcglone: Woo.. stereo implants.  When is surround sound coming?
[02:34] <dmcglone> Ha Ha, a non working, non booting release. is it even a release?
[02:35] <dmcglone> time to start looking for alternatives
[02:35] <dmcglone> :-/
[02:36] <dmcglone> Hmmm, Suse uses KDE, nope, Fedora uses Gnome, Hmmm maybe. mandrake uses KDE I believe, so nope
[02:41] <Unit193> dmcglone: http://i.imgur.com/kJM8e.png
[02:42] <dmcglone> Unit193: is that a screen of your live session?
[02:43] <Unit193> LiveVM!
[02:43] <canthus13> dmcglone: Might check out crunchbang.
[02:43] <dmcglone> how come mine will not boot from USB stick?
[02:43] <canthus13> dmcglone: Oh. update to vbox 4.0.6 to get it to boot right.
[02:43] <dmcglone> it starts scrolling a ton of random caracters
[02:44] <dmcglone> maybe the ISO was corrupt
[02:45] <Unit193> ^^^ Was Lubuntu not Ubuntu (thought you might want a screenie)
[02:47] <dmcglone> I have started to despise kde
[02:49] <Unit193> Started? I don't think you just started...
[02:50] <dmcglone> I started when they did the re-write, and it progressively got worse
[02:50] <dmcglone> after a few years using ubuntu, I realized how much darn work KDE was just to keep it around
[02:50] <Unit193> Here we go: http://imgur.com/a/ppfTE (The Xubuntu one is B2)
[02:53] <dmcglone> the xubuntu doesn't look too bad
[02:53] <dmcglone> I'm looking at crunchbang right now too
[02:55] <dmcglone> why download crunchbang when one can just download and install openbox
[02:56] <dmcglone> come to think of it, why get UBU 11.04, i'll just upgrade to gnome 3
[03:06] <canthus13> dmcglone: Because crunchbang is configured well. Openbox in Ubuntu is a pain in the ass to get usable.
[03:06] <dmcglone> ouch
[03:07] <Unit193> You pick #! because other people already set it up for you (That's also why you pick Ubuntu)
[03:20] <paultag> or be like me and write your own :)
[03:20] <paultag> I should finish syn
[03:21] <dmcglone> paultag: you write it, we will use it ;-)
[03:21] <paultag> dmcglone: it's so super unstable
[03:21] <paultag> dmcglone: stick to debian :)
[03:21] <paultag> debian rocks so hardcore
[03:22] <dmcglone> I'm trying to stick to it, I'm downloading a fresh ISO hoping the first one was corrupt.
[03:22] <paultag> dmcglone: debian? I've had no issues with squeeze
[03:22] <paultag> dmcglone: what's wrong?
[03:22] <paultag> dmcglone: try ubuntu if debian's failing
[03:22] <dmcglone> but if it fails, I've still got this here 10.10 until I can find an alternative. My best bet is fedora
[03:23] <paultag> dmcglone: there are literally tons of debian-derived OSes that are really nice
[03:23] <dmcglone> Ubuntu 11.04 is failing
[03:23] <Unit193> paultag: You killed off fubuntu-desktop, correct?
[03:23] <paultag> Unit193: yeah, it was getting no love at all
[03:23] <paultag> Unit193: but it's easy to reproduce
[03:24] <Unit193> dmcglone: I have looked at them all (And put half in VM)
[03:24] <paultag> debian stable + fluxbox has never failed me yet
[03:24] <paultag> unstable has, but that'
[03:24] <paultag> that's fine
[03:24]  * Cheri703 has a fb page for her business now
[03:24]  * paultag hugs Cheri703 
[03:24] <Unit193> paultag: Take a look at Awesome
[03:24] <paultag> Cheri703: howareya?
[03:24] <paultag> Unit193: Awesome is OK
[03:24] <Cheri703> ok overall :) you?
[03:24] <paultag> Unit193: I don't like it, it's a bit unwieldy
[03:24] <paultag> Cheri703: meh :)
[03:25] <Cheri703> did you ever take a look at that logo I slapped together?
[03:25] <paultag> Cheri703: yeah, I thought it was super funny :)
[03:25] <Cheri703> heh
[03:25] <paultag> Paul(tag)  :)
[03:25] <Cheri703> hooray google and someone who made a house font :)
[03:25] <dmcglone> I just don't have it in me to change desktops. I want to stick to gnome
[03:25] <paultag> Cheri703: :)
[03:25] <Cheri703> well, I figured with the house m.d. thing...eh
[03:25] <paultag> dmcglone: you can run fluxbox + gnome :)
[03:25] <paultag> Cheri703: I <3 House so much
[03:25] <paultag> I wana be just like him
[03:26] <Cheri703> I like it better now that he's not dating cuddy anymore
[03:26] <dmcglone> I use to like house, it got old to me
[03:26] <paultag> Cheri703: yeah for sure
[03:26] <paultag> Cheri703: this last episode was nuts!!
[03:26] <Cheri703> cuddy is kind of annoying
[03:26] <paultag> Cheri703: she really is
[03:26] <dmcglone> I want to be more like Bill Cosby!
[03:26] <Cheri703> the one with the chickens?
[03:27] <dmcglone> bill cosby is calm, cool and collected, funny and warm hearted all the time.. How's he do it?
[03:28] <paultag> house is brilliant, direct and in the end, a huge positive force on the world
[03:28] <dmcglone> I like being direct too
[03:29] <Cheri703> dmcglone: http://thecelebritycafe.com/features/8052.html  :/
[03:29] <dmcglone> but he's just got that stubbornness I can't get over
[03:29] <paultag> dmcglone: he's not stubborn
[03:29] <paultag> dmcglone: he demands proof or a sane theory, and he'll change his mind right then and there
[03:29] <paultag> dmcglone: and I'm the same way
[03:30] <Cheri703> paultag: I'm generally like that too, always have been
[03:30] <paultag> I will go 180 degrees on something if someone can argue it right
[03:30] <paultag> Cheri703: aye, it's great
[03:30] <Cheri703> I HAAAAATED the "because I'm the parent and I said so"
[03:30] <dmcglone> thats true, I mistaked that for stuborness
[03:30] <paultag> Cheri703: OMG YES!
[03:30] <Cheri703> OMG JUST TELL ME WHYYYY YOU WANT ME TO DO IT, even if I don't agree, I want to know that YOU have a logical reason for asking it of me
[03:30] <paultag> rigght!!!!
[03:31] <paultag> at least then I can learn something, or see something from a new point of view
[03:31] <paultag> saying "because because" is just so fucking insulting
[03:31] <dmcglone> Cheri703: with all these lawsuits over sexual stuff, nothing is believable anymore
[03:31] <Cheri703> dmcglone: that was 5 years ago
[03:31]  * paultag goes away
[03:31] <Cheri703> so...it's not exactly new
[03:31] <Cheri703> research it yourself
[03:32] <Cheri703> I was surprised to hear about it myself
[03:32] <dmcglone> kobe bryant, magic johnson, bill cosby, and numerous others
[03:32] <Cheri703> yeah...and just because many men are doing it, that means they AREN'T?!  that kind of logic is ridiculous
[03:32] <dmcglone> thats not what I said
[03:33] <Unit193> Some people see it as quick money (You stopped in front of me, I'll sue you!)
[03:33] <Cheri703> 10 years ago, 50 famous men could sexually assault women, less than 5 would probably report it, now, 50 men commit sexual assault, probably more than 20 will report it, but that makes it not believable because there are so many?!
[03:33]  * Cheri703 doesn't understand that
[03:33] <dmcglone> What I'm saying is celebrities are rich
[03:33] <dmcglone> No
[03:33] <Cheri703> ....bah, I can't have this conversation
[03:33] <dmcglone> Unit193: said it
[03:34] <dmcglone> Money talks bullshit walks
[03:34] <Cheri703> "you stopped in front of me" =/= "you put your penis in me without permission" or "you touched my breasts without permission"
[03:34] <dmcglone> Cheri703: what is this about?
[03:34] <Unit193> Cheri703: I'm not saying it doesn't happen all too often. What I'm saying is, too many people false report it!
[03:35] <dmcglone> nobody isn't saying it doesn't happen
[03:35] <paultag> Unit193: yes, but there are many people who don't speak up as well
[03:35] <Cheri703> I agree with you if it were "bill cosby got sued for a traffic accident" not sexual assault
[03:35] <dmcglone> right Unit193
[03:35] <Cheri703> something like 80% of sexual assault is not reported
[03:35] <Unit193> paultag: Sadly, the younger ones more often
[03:36] <paultag> Look, I'm not advocating falsely reporting sexual assult - I'm a guy, guys usually get the short end of the stick when it comes to that
[03:36] <paultag> but to chalk up sexual assult reports to being false is abhorent
[03:36] <Unit193> paultag: I didn't say that it was!
[03:37] <paultag> Unit193: I know
[03:37] <paultag> I'm just saying
[03:37] <dmcglone> I also think some famous people like Kobe bryant would do it because they think they are rich and famous and can get away with it
[03:37] <paultag> the system's fucked, but it's fucked all around, so it's wash
[03:37] <Cheri703> ALL of them should get investigated. and you know that a celebrity as big as bill cosby (or kobe or whoever else) would have enough money to make it go away if it was false, so...if they're going to pay out a settlement or even get charged with a crime in the first place, then there is most likely something to it
[03:37] <paultag> Cheri703: +1, there's a reason rich people can poof away lawsuits
[03:38] <paultag> and that's because they can lock up the legal system and the defendents with good layers
[03:38] <paultag> it's a fucked system all around
[03:38] <dmcglone> thats the good ol USA
[03:38] <Cheri703> and that's when they DID do it, if they didn't, then it doesn't even get that far. there is a MUCH higher standard of proof if the accused is famous
[03:38] <Cheri703> before they'll even question/suspect them
[03:38] <paultag> dmcglone: damn skippy
[03:39] <dmcglone> Well Cheri703 no need to get in a pickle over it
[03:39] <paultag> dmcglone: we're just talking here
[03:40] <Cheri703> and dmcglone so many people have the attitude of assuming women are just out for money instead of assuming the men are taking advantage of their status and treating women like cattle...it's not a good attitude to perpetuate
[03:40] <dmcglone> I just sit an imagine an 80 year old man assaulting somebody :-/
[03:40] <Cheri703> so...yeah, I think it needs to be discussed, at least to a degree
[03:40] <paultag> dmcglone: speaking of
[03:40] <paultag> dmcglone: that actually happened
[03:40] <Cheri703> it happens
[03:40] <Cheri703> it happens ALL THE TIME
[03:40] <paultag> dmcglone: here, at my uni
[03:42] <paultag> I don't think he was 80
[03:42] <paultag> but he was about 60
[03:42] <paultag> when you're 80, you're not doing shit
[03:42] <Cheri703> http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/14204414/detail.html
[03:42] <Cheri703> first result for "80 yr old sexual assault"
[03:42] <Cheri703> it happens
[03:43] <Cheri703> http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2032156&spid=
[03:45] <Cheri703> aaanyway, paultag any word from clevelanders that might be going to cbus on sunday?
[03:45] <paultag> Cheri703: no word here :(
[03:45] <Cheri703> :(
[03:45] <paultag> Cheri703: I took a greyhound last time
[03:45] <paultag> Cheri703: we stopped in mansfield
[03:45]  * Cheri703 is BRRRRRROOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKE
[03:45] <paultag> Cheri703: I remember a prison
[03:45] <Cheri703> :)
[03:45] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:45] <paultag> Cheri703: dang
[03:46] <paultag> Cheri703: if I wen't broke too, I'd spot you
[03:46] <Cheri703> no worries
[03:46] <Cheri703> just a bummer I can't be there :/
[03:46] <paultag> yeah :(
[03:46] <Cheri703> if jacob is around at some point, I have some ubuntu-women resources he could print out for the info table
[03:47] <Cheri703> ha, paultag I'm doing a remote "virus scan/optimize/whatever" job...this lady doesn't want to be without her computer, even overnight, so hooray for teamviewer :)
[03:48] <Cheri703> making $50 without getting off the couch? priceless :D
[03:48] <Unit193> Would be nice to go to the C-Bus thing...
[03:48] <Cheri703> yeah Unit193, I'd really like to go :/
[03:48] <dmcglone> Ok USB boot done, gonna reboot and see if this ISO boots or not
[03:48] <paultag> Cheri703: wooo! :)
[03:48] <Cheri703> was going to wish him luck
[03:48] <Cheri703> heck yeah
[03:49] <Unit193> I want to tell him to get a VM...
[03:49] <Cheri703> anyone else having errors accessing blogger blogs today?
[03:49] <Cheri703> I keep getting a weird error when I try to look at my brother's
[03:50] <Cheri703> Unit193: I may put 11.04 on the crappy laptop I was using while my netbook was off for repairs. it's a pos, and I don't use it much, so easy enough to swap OS as needed
[03:52] <Unit193> Ohhhhh! Try Lubuntu! Last update was a major facelift! (bad term....)
[03:54] <Unit193> I posted screenshots if you looked at them...
[03:54] <Cheri703> I will probably stick with gnome-y things
[03:54] <Cheri703> I like my gnome software
[03:55] <Unit193> What works for you!
[03:56] <paultag> yeah, I'm not a huge fan of LXDE
[03:56] <paultag> fluxbox, xfwm, compiz, metacity, kwin (in order of window managers)
[03:57] <paultag> usually I'll put gnome on top, or at least chunks of gnome
[03:57] <Unit193> What don't you like in it?
[03:57] <paultag> Unit193: it's awkward and bulky. it's light weight enough, but the interface is clunky
[03:57] <paultag> and not easy to hack on
[03:58] <paultag> fluxbox and xfwm are both a snap to get to do what you want
[03:58] <Unit193> Eh. As I said, I think they did a good job this round...
[03:58] <paultag> Unit193: it's lubuntu not lxde
[03:58] <paultag> Unit193: the backend is the same, nothing's changed for me
[03:58] <paultag> the interface might be newish, but lxde is lxde
[03:59] <Unit193> I know Lubuntu uses LXDE...
[03:59] <paultag> that's what I'm saying
[03:59] <Unit193> The config files are not all that bad...
[04:01] <Unit193> I'll use any flavor but Ubuntu main/Unity...
[04:01] <dmcglone> well that was a no go
[04:12] <dmcglone> Unit193: I would use a VM but I'm not sure if it will run well on my netbook :-/
[04:13] <dmcglone> so far I'm assuming 11.04 is  a complete bust
[04:14] <dmcglone> well if worse comes to worse, I'll just hop over to fedora, they seem to have their heads on correctly
[04:15] <dmcglone> I'm sticking with Gnome. SuSE has a Gnome option so I might try that too.
[04:36]  * canthus13 discovered that natty won't run properly in vbox until vbox is updateed to 4.0.6 (which came out early this morning...)
[04:36] <canthus13> Still boots slow as fuck, though.
[04:37] <Cheri703> can someone suggest good movies / tv shows to ...acquire for my long flights?
[04:37] <Cheri703> also: hi canthus13 :)
[04:37] <canthus13> Cheri703: The royal wedding?
[04:37] <Cheri703> ha, no
[04:37] <canthus13> It'll put you to sleep... :)
[04:37] <canthus13> Have you seen all of SG-1?
[04:37]  * Cheri703 could not physically care any less about that
[04:37] <Cheri703> yep
[04:37] <Cheri703> well...
[04:37] <canthus13> Firefly?
[04:37] <Cheri703> all of it that I cared to watch
[04:38] <Cheri703> yep
[04:38] <canthus13> Including the movie?
[04:38] <Cheri703> yep
[04:38] <canthus13> Hmm.. The Crow: Stairway to Heaven? (The short-lived series in the 90's)
[04:38] <canthus13> It was a great show.
[04:38] <Cheri703> no, but I've seen all of the crow movies
[04:38] <canthus13> (If you liked the original crow movie)
[04:38] <Cheri703> I'll put it on the list
[04:38] <canthus13> It stayed closest to Brandon Lee's character.
[04:39] <Cheri703> just attempted deadwood, but couldn't get into it, watched 3 episodes. also finished all 5 seasons of six feet under today
[04:40] <canthus13> United States of Tara is entertaining.
[04:40] <Cheri703> I saw something about it
[04:40] <Unit193> Mr Sunshine ;)
[04:40] <canthus13> Oh. Falling Down is a good flick.
[04:41] <Cheri703> not heard of those
[04:41] <Unit193> Major Payne
[04:41] <canthus13> Heh. Surprisingly, I liked that one.
[04:41] <Unit193> It's a funny one!
[04:41] <Cheri703> ha, yeah, saw that one
[04:42]  * canthus13 pokes through his media server.
[04:42] <Unit193> Primeval, V
[04:43] <Unit193> Merlin
[04:43] <canthus13> American Psyco was fun.  Eastern Promises is good... Reservoir Dogs... Taxi Driver... Goonies... Taken...The whole Millenium Trilogy (The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, etc), Tank Girl....
[04:44] <Cheri703> I have 3 lists: things to watch, have watched (just started that list...will be growing exponentially), and "started to watch but didn't like" because sometimes I'll start watching something and go "waaaaait, I think I've seen this"
[04:44] <Cheri703> I turned off american psycho as soon as he stomped the dog. I was done
[04:44] <Cheri703> most of the rest of those (not girl with dragon tattoo though)
[04:44] <Cheri703> oooooooo....this is the perfect time for a movie with subtitles!
[04:45] <Cheri703> I won't be distracted by other things (I often listen to movies/shows vs watching them)
[04:45] <Unit193> I need them lists ;)
[04:46] <canthus13> Cheri703: If you have the stomach for the rape scene (which is a central to the whole series), then Millenium trilogy is excellent.
[04:46] <Cheri703> I've heard it was good
[04:46] <canthus13> (little spoiler, but it is a bit intense, so I warn people..)
[04:47] <Cheri703> Unit193: once I reach anywhere close to completion on the have watched, I'll send it to you
[04:47] <canthus13> I loved it.
[04:47] <Unit193> Cheri703: Sweet! Thanks!
[04:47] <Cheri703> movies are going to be hard, remembering all of the ones I've seen o.O
[04:47] <Cheri703> though there are still many tv shows to add that I'm not thinking of atm
[04:48] <Unit193> I know how that works
[04:48] <Cheri703> I liked city of god, but saw it years ago
[04:48] <Cheri703> now I want foreign film recommendations :)
[04:50] <canthus13> Cheri703: The japanese version of The Ring
[04:51] <Cheri703> meh, don't do horror movies that much
[05:45] <Unit193> Thing that's holding me back from upgrading to 11.04? I would have to close irssi..
[07:13] <TheErk> Hola
[07:14] <Unit193> TheErk: Hello again!
[07:15] <TheErk> Whats shakin?
[07:15] <Unit193> Watching last weeks Doctor Who
[07:17] <Unit193> Upgradeing?
[07:24] <TheErk> Yep.
[07:26] <Unit193> Unity? (We already went into this today)
[07:27] <TheErk> Love it
[07:27] <TheErk> I've been running beta for a while
[07:47] <Unit193> You're the first!
[14:20] <Derath-Srvr> Hi all
[14:59] <canthus13> Morning.
[15:09] <thafreak> So, I'm running unity on my one workstation at home
[15:10] <Derath-Srvr> Really?
[15:10] <thafreak> Haven't had the wife try it yet
[15:10] <thafreak> yep...it's more or less a "nettop" machine...mostly just for web browsing anyway
[15:10] <Derath-Srvr> Ah...
[15:11] <thafreak> not sure I'd install it at work....
[15:11] <thafreak> course, I'm not sure what I'm going to do at work now...
[15:12] <thafreak> canthus13 made it sound like "classic" gnome in 11.04 sucks...but I'm running 10.10 at work now...need to upgrade
[15:12] <thafreak> maybe it's time to switch to KDE? >:)
[15:14] <Derath-Srvr> So, I saw the classic gnome in my vm, and it looks the same as the old gnome to me...
[15:14] <Derath-Srvr> At least the old ubuntu gnomes
[15:14] <Derath-Srvr> So that's still an option, and when unity crashed on me and left me at a terminal it was because of the xorg that vbox created...
[15:15] <thafreak> what's really weird...they didn't figure out how to get unity running in a KVM vm...which is the preferred hypervisor for ubuntu
[15:16] <thafreak> it's what all their cloud stuff uses
[15:16] <Derath-Srvr> Either way, like I said last night, there are some things I do like about it (I like some aspects of the "dock bar") and there are some I don't like (size of the icons, and how big the menu has to be to see all the programs installed, and you have to right click the "All Apps" to get a segregated menu (Internet, Office, System, etc)
[15:16] <Derath-Srvr> Unity required 3d accel, does KVM even give that ability?
[15:18] <thafreak> I think if you use spice
[15:18] <thafreak> but they're dragging their feet to get spice in ubuntu
[15:19] <Derath-Srvr> #gm And that also doesn't make sense to me... if Unity requires 3d Accel/opengl, and in order to get those, you have to install the proprietary drivers (At least nvidia)
[15:19] <Derath-Srvr> err... ignore the #gm...
[15:19] <thafreak> They're so focused on only virtualizing server stuff...they're going to miss this virtual desktop ship if they don't get on board here soon
[15:19] <Derath-Srvr> So an nvidia use cannot use Unity UNTIL they install the restricted drivers
[15:20] <thafreak> oh really...
[15:20] <thafreak> I thought the open source nvidia drivers finally did some 3d stuff?
[15:20] <Derath-Srvr> Not sure on the state of the nv (foss) driver for 3d accel, last I heard it still didn't support it well
[15:21] <thafreak> honestly kind of sad that intel has the best performing open source drivers then...
[15:21] <Derath-Srvr> bah...
[15:21] <thafreak> unity worked fine on my nettop with intel gma hardware
[15:21] <Derath-Srvr> for everything BUT graphics...
[15:21] <thafreak> and I didn't install any restricted drivers
[15:21] <Derath-Srvr> Yeah, but GMA graphics cards still suck for anything more than wobbly windows...
[15:22] <thafreak> sure...but atleast unity works out of the box with them :)
[15:22] <thafreak> not that unity is much of a selling point to the die hard people
[15:22] <Derath-Srvr> I'm still a firm believer of nVidia == OpenGL/Games, ATI == Video Editing/Decoding, GMA == server graphics...
[15:24] <thafreak> sure...but you can get an atom barebones machine (case, psu, mb, etc) for <$80
[15:24] <Derath-Srvr> And?
[15:25] <thafreak> they make decent workstations
[15:25] <Derath-Srvr> I'm a builder myself... the only thing I would use that box for would be something along the lines of a nettop/browser machine, maybe a mythtv client...
[15:26] <Derath-Srvr> Or maybe for a node in a cluster...
[15:26] <thafreak> which is all I ever need anymore...
[15:26] <thafreak> well, ok I do do some gimp work once in a while...
[15:26] <Derath-Srvr> either way... if I were to build a "system" now, it would be an intel based, with either nvidia or ati card depending on role :)
[15:27] <thafreak> nah, my home hardware are multi-core amd's running lots of VMS in the basement :)
[15:27] <Derath-Srvr> I've been running into issues with thermals on amds lately...
[15:27] <thafreak> and a nettop upstairs run terminal windows/virt-manager, etc :)
[15:28] <Derath-Srvr> Don't get me wrong, I REALLY like amd, just wish they were a little more stable...
[15:28] <Derath-Srvr> I like the thermal resistor that's in the intels, and I know amd has the circuit present, they just have never turned it on...
[15:28] <thafreak> I've never had a thermal problem with amd, except for one at my one apartment, but the AC was broke in the apt, and it was like 80-90 in there all the time
[15:29] <thafreak> and that was an athlon xp 1800
[15:29] <Derath-Srvr> Right now, most of my house is laptops... big difference in amd/intel there...
[15:29] <thafreak> ah...
[15:30] <thafreak> I've got a few, but I dread setting them up...so much work
[15:30] <thafreak> pull it out, plug everything in...blah
[15:30] <Derath-Srvr> My amd lappys are useless unless they are on cihllmats, and one of them won't even run > 30 secs with a flash video...
[15:31] <Derath-Srvr> err chillmats rather
[15:31] <thafreak> that sucks
[15:31] <Derath-Srvr> My intel lappy tho is running like a champ (the s76 pang)
[15:31] <thafreak> I tend to only use the laptops when I'm not at home...or if I want to work in front of the TV...which I tend to not really work much then
[15:32] <Derath-Srvr> Was short on cash, and needed a laptop for school, so lappys quickly because my primary... although now that I have real income, I may build a couple systems soon
[15:32] <thafreak> course my laptops are currently intels....save the one OLD one...athlon xp 1500
[15:33] <thafreak> i had an amd based one come to think of it...lasted maybe 2 years, then just was toast one morning
[15:33] <Derath-Srvr> Exactly lol
[15:34] <thafreak> i really liked it too...was nice and small...I think it was only a 12"...
[15:34] <thafreak> bigger than a netbook, but still small enough to be really portable
[15:35] <thafreak> and it actually had virtualization extensions in the cpu...unlike my stupid intels...
[15:35] <thafreak> makes me want to punch intel in the face...and myself, for just assuming all the newer intels would have it enabled
[15:36]  * Derath-Srvr smirks
[15:36] <thafreak> I spent probably 20 hours trying to figure out how to enable it...then I find out they just left it out of a few models of cpus...
[15:36] <Cheri703> hey boys
[15:36] <thafreak> just happened to be the two I bought...bastards
[15:36] <Derath-Srvr> Hey Cheri
[15:36] <thafreak> sup Cheri703
[15:36] <Cheri703> thafreak: are you going down to cbus on sunday for the thing?
[15:37] <Derath-Srvr> Still no ride yet Cheri?
[15:37] <Cheri703> no :(
[15:37] <Derath-Srvr> :(
[15:38] <Cheri703> this thing was partially my idea! way back in the early stages! I want to go! Was hoping someone would pop up and say they were driving down, but it's not really looking like too many outside of columbus will be there, which is a bummer
[15:38] <jacob> Cheri703: I'm not even sure I'll be able to go :/
[15:38] <Cheri703> :(
[15:38] <jacob> which I feel pretty bad about
[15:38] <Cheri703> I had been hoping for a saturday
[15:38] <Derath-Srvr> Wrong side of the state here, as well as wife would kill me... lol
[15:39] <jacob> on top of that, i haven't had a chance to go home and pick up that banner, either. still no car, d'oh.
[15:41] <Cheri703> :(
[15:41] <Cheri703> if I were coming down, I'd stop off and get it :) your home is in powell, yeah?
[15:41] <jacob> delaware, but close
[15:41] <Cheri703> I knew it was around there
[15:42] <thafreak> I *HATE* recruiters
[15:43] <jacob> anyway, i've got to head out to class, see you all later
[15:43] <thafreak> no cleveland folks are going?
[15:43] <Cheri703> not that I've heard from. I put a call out to the mailing list
[15:43] <Cheri703> :/
[15:44] <thafreak> no one seems to ever respond to anything on the mailing list...unless it's for humor...
[15:44] <thafreak> then people get pissed and leave the mailling list
[15:45] <Derath-Srvr> Yeah, that's been bothering me too...
[15:46] <Derath-Srvr> We have these spurts of traffic on the ML, and only a small part is relevant...
[16:08] <Derath-Srvr> Cheri, I would try the mailing list one more time to see if you can get a ride...
[16:08] <Cheri703> yeah, I may
[16:09] <Derath-Srvr> Since it's closer to the date, might have people that had decided to come by now..
[16:09] <Derath-Srvr> Granted I think the short notice hurt us more than anything else
[17:40] <canthus13> thafreak: I'm sticking with 10.10 and hoping 11.10 is better.
[17:43] <Unit193> Cheri703: I'm still not 100% sure friends are not going
[17:43] <Cheri703> ok
[17:47] <Cheri703> let me know
[18:37] <canthus13> Cheri703: Now I *HAVE* to get another sully.  I've got a friend going to mexico before you get back....
[18:37] <Cheri703> heh
[19:04] <deejoe> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2227#comic <- paultag
[19:06] <paultag> deejoe: oh son of a bitch
[19:07] <deejoe> paultag: just play "The Actual Game"
[19:07] <deejoe> also, your posting filter seems to be broken ;-)
[19:07] <deejoe> I enjoy the Actual Game quite a lot
[19:08] <paultag> deejoe: yeah I ditched that shit
[19:08] <paultag> deejoe: yeah, for sure
[19:08] <Unit193> http://imgur.com/KJGKA?full
[19:09] <paultag> Unit193: yeah, we just went over that :)
[19:09] <Unit193> I was here
[19:09] <paultag> I've been playing since middle school :)
[19:09] <paultag> or high school freshman year
[19:09] <paultag> whever 4chan was a part of my life
[19:10] <paultag> dark times
[19:14] <paultag> BBL
[19:47] <Unit193> paultag: Maybe a little NSFW: http://imgur.com/a/kbzTZ (4th one down about right?
[20:03] <thafreak> So, it looks like I'm going to do another MS degree...this time in the brand new "Digital Sciences"...
[20:03] <thafreak> Also, sounds like "the impact of open source in the enterprise" is a viable thesis topic...
[20:04] <thafreak> might actually *want* to write that!
[20:11]  * thafreak actually testing out kubuntu 11.04 in a vm...might as well
[20:14] <thafreak> Any other window managers that use GTK? I ask, because I'm more a fan of GTK (as a programmer) than QT...
[20:14] <thafreak> and if gnome is going to get sucky...might want to look at alternatives
[20:15] <thafreak> is xfce and lde (or whatever lubuntu is based on) gtk based? anyone know?
[20:16]  * Derath-Srvr shrugs
[20:40] <deejoe> so, what's the beef about Unity, again?
[20:40]  * deejoe has finally given Natty a spin in KVM
[20:40] <deejoe> hmm.  everything was doing fine with "kvm -cdrom ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso" until I tried to run firefox
[20:40] <deejoe> so now I'm adding "-m 1G" since it seemed to be trying to limp along on only 384M
[20:44] <Derath-Srvr> deejoe: aside from the preferred interface... unity appears to need to have 3d accel in order to even run, otherwise falls back to "classic gnome"
[20:44] <deejoe> oh, so what I'm seeing in kvm is classic gnome
[20:44] <Derath-Srvr> yep...
[20:44] <deejoe> that'w why I'm all "so what is the bfd?"
[20:45] <deejoe> haha, great
[20:45] <Derath-Srvr> dunno if kvm supports guest 3d accel... vbox does after guest additions are installed...
[20:45] <deejoe> also, wtfg Canonical, using something you can't test in a vm
[20:45] <Derath-Srvr> which is how I was able ot see it yesterday...
[20:45] <deejoe> oh
[20:45] <deejoe> yeah, well, vbox doesn't like that I have VT turned on in the BIOS of this machine
[20:46] <Derath-Srvr> ?
[20:46] <Derath-Srvr> even with 4.0.6?
[20:46] <deejoe> hey, it's what it told me
[20:46] <deejoe> well, no
[20:46] <Derath-Srvr> I've never had a problem with having the bios options on...
[20:46] <deejoe> I'm using whatever comes in the 10.04 repository
[20:46] <Derath-Srvr> actually, ran faster when I did do that...
[20:46] <deejoe> I don't have the time, let alone the inclination, to shave that yak
[20:48] <deejoe> "VirtualBox can't operate in VMX root mode. Please disable the KVM kernel extension, recompile your kernel and reboot (VERR_VMX_IN_VMX_ROOT_MODE)"
[20:48] <deejoe> uh, no.
[20:49] <Derath-Srvr> Ah... it's not the bios then... is the kvm kernel module...
[20:49] <deejoe> I don't want to do any of those things singly, let alone do all of them.
[20:49] <deejoe> I suppose I could modprobe -r
[20:49] <deejoe> maybe I'll try that after I get this paperwork done.
[20:49] <Derath-Srvr> one of the things I can't understand though... is the nv module good enough at this point ot support 3d accel?
[20:49] <deejoe> Or, maybe I'll forget about it for another 6 months. ;-)
[20:50] <Derath-Srvr> Otherwise, until users install the nvidia or ati drivers, they won't be able to see unity...
[20:50] <Derath-Srvr> nicotine... brb
[21:01] <Derath-Srvr> back
[21:36] <BiosElement> Derath-Srvr: I think it was
[21:36] <BiosElement> I know the nv drivers are getting pretty darn good
[21:48] <canthus13> That's like calling a Yugo a car.
[21:49] <BiosElement> canthus13: I use nv 24/7 currently since the 'official' drivers crash on fullscreen transparent windows
[21:58] <canthus13> Weird. I never have issues the  nvidia drivers.
[21:59]  * canthus13 has installed them on at least 8 different machines.
[21:59] <BiosElement> canthus13: It only shows for me in Kunbut with konsole, but the source is a buffer overflow in the gpu due to shitty coding apparently
[22:01] <canthus13> Ah. KDE issue.. :)
[22:02] <BiosElement> Ahh, nice try but no, it isn't. I've debugged it past KDE.
[22:02] <BiosElement> I can break it in gnome too
[22:02] <canthus13> :)
[22:02] <BiosElement> Total screen freeze = not f'ing cool
[22:03]  * canthus13 had that happen.. traced it to a freaking chipset desoldering itself.
[22:03] <canthus13> who the fsck uses 60C-rated solder on a video chipset?
[22:04] <BiosElement> >.>
[22:09] <thafreak> hahaha http://i.imgur.com/zdIIa.png
[22:11] <canthus13> I agree.