[00:01] waltman: getting ubu interested? [00:02] I'm ubu-curious :) [00:03] At the moment I've got nothing to install it on. [00:03] that mught be enough to make me book a release party [00:03] heh [00:03] err [00:04] waltman: for kicks pasug is doing a 'hello to natty' tonight [00:05] i think you'd <3 it [00:05] we're just going out to drink lots of beer [00:05] waltman: do you have a spare external drive? [00:06] oh right, they're the crazy os2 zealots :) [00:06] I miss pasug, they were adorable [00:07] I went to a pasug meeting once. It was scary. [00:07] you should have come to PACS linux sig and meet up with Larry [00:07] they love telling stories [00:08] hmm, I think Larry said he has a daughter out here [00:08] yep [00:08] surfer [00:08] yeah [00:08] him and strumpf miss you [00:08] john kirk is down in LA now, it was weird running into him at SCALE [00:09] you don't elder abuse them like i do [00:09] Everyone does :p [00:09] I listened to their stories and laughed at their jokes [00:09] pleia2: you are /too/ nice [00:09] I think I was shipped with two polite chips by accident [00:11] sounds bout right. [00:11] k gonna try to make room and install this nonsense [00:11] perhaps I could borrow one sometimes [00:11] I'm a bit scared to try newbuntu. [00:13] that's why I keep the external around [00:13] Do you mean nubuntu? [00:13] makes for a good test bed [00:14] I've got a craving for a burger, but the weather outside still looks ominous [00:15] drive thru ;-) [00:16] mmm [00:16] mmm [00:16] waltman: red robin time, me thinkgs. [00:16] (not tonight) [00:17] the cloest red robin to me is a half hour drive :( [00:17] waltman: you should come meet us at peppers sometime [00:17] decent italian stuff. [00:17] it's near ginos [00:17] well, sort of [00:17] hey nice, they have RRs out here [00:17] I never thought to look [00:18] I could go for a 5 alarm. [00:18] I think tahts what it's called [00:18] peppers? [00:18] waltman: yeah, in KOP [00:18] mmm, RR [00:18] waltman: probably close than RR. [00:18] I think, anyway. [00:18] oh, across from Michael's? [00:19] there's a 5 guys clone in Bryn Mawr [00:19] waltman: yes [00:19] michaels the food place ,I assume you mean. [00:20] the deli/beer place [00:20] with the beer :d [00:20] Right [00:20] I've never been there. [00:20] It's got a certain ambiance [00:21] it's a jewish deli with like 150 different kinds of beer in fridges up front [00:21] Intersting. [00:21] good sandwiches? [00:22] I've only ever eaten there once. Got a tuna salad on rye. It was acceptable. [00:22] don't keep saying beer around pleia2, she'll drool all over the keyboard :-D [00:22] ok, I'm going to go find some dinner. later. [00:23] Good luck. [00:23] thanks [00:23] we have 2 extra burgers, if you want one :p [00:27] rmg51: I am going out for beer at our release party soon! [00:29] pleia2: = beer [00:44] I like jewish rye [00:45] and beer [00:45] I like jewish rye too [00:45] Probably my favorite non-roll bread [00:46] me too [00:46] me too [00:48] everday at work I find out that I've spent the day doing everything wrong [00:48] waltman: I feel like Sisyphus ;) [00:49] it's actually a pretty liberating experience though [00:51] Irishmanluke: every time I go to work I feel like I am doing something wrong :-/ [01:07] rmg51: why is that? [01:08] getting up early... leaving the house... spending the day working.... [01:09] where's the fun in that? [01:12] oh, you meant that the going to work part was the mistake [01:12] well it depends on what you are doing for a living [01:12] if there is no fun there is no point [01:12] and how long you've been doing it [01:13] are you having a midlife crisis? [01:14] no, I have a teddy bear :-D [01:14] ... [01:23] pleia2: there are workplaces.....just odd [01:24] I'm going to start calling work play [01:24] I have to go to play tomorrow at 9 [01:24] well 8 [01:50] I see I missed some good linux talk earlier [02:17] http://bit.ly/iHN01B [02:17] Title: Barbecue How-To: The Beef-Filled Bacon & Hot Dog Turtle - Denver Restaurants and Dining - Cafe Society (at bit.ly) [02:25] I broke Unity :-D [02:26] that was quick [02:26] tried to setup compiz [02:27] now all I have is a desktop with no way to navigate [02:27] no panels [02:27] nothing but wallpaper [02:27] :P [02:27] waltman: I went to the link and my head exploded [02:28] then my work here is done :) [02:43] fixed [02:43] silly compiz [03:52] Where is my mini9 power adapter hiding? [03:52] behind the wall, to the left, next to the cryogenic storage units [03:52] :P [03:52] * andrew goes and looks there [03:53] so, who is trying out 11.04 so far? I have it going in a vm but won't be upgrading some of my real boxes for a few weeks. [03:53] erstazi: me neither [03:53] cept i dont have a box to upgrade :P [03:53] * TheEvilPhoenix uses 10.04 stable on stuff [03:53] andrew: was it there? [03:56] TheEvilPhoenix: for -server, of course. But most of my headless boxes are Debian or CentOS. [03:56] got a few of them that are ubuntu-server [03:58] erstazi: i needed a specific gcc-4.5 package that is nonstandard... hence why i needed ubu server 10.10 :/ [03:58] * TheEvilPhoenix is going to convert that server box to Debian stable [04:01] TheEvilPhoenix: nope. not there [04:02] I hope I didn't leave it somewhere... [04:03] fudge [04:03] TheEvilPhoenix: yeah, I know that feeling about specific packages. I have a few Debian IA64 servers I have to manage. It sucks. [04:03] FOUND IT [04:03] yay [04:04] side pocket of a duffle bag [04:04] andrew: i think it may have also been sitting next to the matter reabsorption matrix for the warp plasma feeds earlier, it may have rematerialized there [04:04] there being in your duffle bag [04:05] the main compartment of the duffle bag currently holds a long extenstion cord, gorrillapod, & power adapter for my point & shoot [04:05] heh [04:06] and a brochure from Jimmy's BBQ [04:06] lol [04:07] andrew: but i coulda sworn your charger was on the far other side of the channel yesterday... *checks the secret areas of the channel* [04:07] bluetooth headset, still missing; decent flashlight from a woot bag of crap, also still missing [04:07] I take suggestions for those as well [04:07] andrew: i think i vaporized the flashlight... [04:07] as for the bluetooth headset, i think it got transported to 4chan :/ [04:09] granted, earlier this evening (on the quest for the mini9 power adaptor) i came across another power adapter that I litterally spent 10 minutes trying to remember what it was for (spoiler: xpal XP8000) [04:09] yeah, got to love finding extra adapters and not knowing where they go [04:10] heh [04:11] erstazi: I keep telling myself that I'm going to put my labeler to use [04:12] and then you misplace the labeler,… [04:13] nope, I know where that is [04:13] andrew: no, you dont. i moved it [04:13] granted, that's why I don't have the desire to use it right now [04:13] except I forgot where i moved it to [11:13] He just doesn't know what it is. [11:13] It isn't labeled. [11:13] Good morning, PA [11:22] morning JonathanD [11:23] * Irishmanluke wonders if he has any internet access on the server at work [11:25] morning rmg51 [11:25] morning everyone [11:26] o/ [11:27] breakfast time :) [11:27] for me 8 is breakfast time [11:52] I get to work at 8 [11:59] I usually eat when I get to work, around 9. [12:04] Today though the bacon is calling. [12:20] Wait, the wedding's already over? I haven't even had my tea and crumpets yet! [12:50] Ooh, someones getting married? [12:57] yeah I eat breakfast when I get to work as welll [12:57] and I get to work at 8 [12:58] I'm at work now [12:58] I think I will buy some bacon this weekend though [12:59] hello [12:59] Irishmanluke: but you get free breakfast [12:59] oh yeah, I'm latee [12:59] * waltman goes to make some breakfast, too [13:02] I don't get bacon [13:03] it's just like bagels cereal and hard boiled eggs [13:04] not that I'm complaining bagels are great [13:46] anyone know how to configure unit? [13:47] unitY? [13:47] unitY is shiny, toggles [13:47] no it's not [13:53] toggles: units? [13:53] oh, unitY [13:54] ;-) [13:54] i think something in compiz settings manager... [13:54] it'a a pita not to be able to click an icon an launch a second copy [13:54] and unlike say docky you can't even right click [14:41] I have either 10.04 --- how to have ubuntu prompt me for next upgrade ? (10.10, etc.) [14:42] You have either 10.04 or what? [14:42] the bear is not feeling the love for unity [14:43] s/either // [14:44] If you installed 10.04 fresh, it will have set you to LTS only. To change to normal releases, System -> Administration -> Update Manager (or Synaptic) -> Settings... -> Updates [Tab] -> Release Upgrade -> Normal Releases [14:48] I think I started with 8.10 and just finished updating to 10.04. [14:48] I have not seen offering to go to 10.10 yet. [14:49] check that to be sure, then see if anything if offered on the top of the update manager [14:49] Do I need to do somthing to tickle it into upgrading ? [14:49] OK [14:52] Said updates fine 11 days ago. Clicked check again. [14:53] 38 packages. NO 10.10 though. [14:56] ver nor version works in terminal mode to give version level in my main box. I think I upgraded my old test box to 10.04. Main is probably less than that. [15:00] download up to 26 of 38, looks like it will take some time for all of it. [15:01] JonathanD: stop messing with my connection :P [15:02] teddy-dbear: is JonathanD depriving you of your love for unity? [15:03] no, just my connection to irc :-( [15:07] you seem connected just ducky, teddy-dbear [15:09] heh :p [15:12] So, I can upgrade to 11.04 from alternate CD? Someone said that, right? [15:12] so far only andrew, JonathanD, teddy-dbear, waltman, Irishmanluke, rmg51, ChinnoDog and toggles have bothered to prove their connections this morning. [15:13] prove? [15:13] I didn't, still wanting to do upgrade by update mgr, just don't know how to tickle into doing so. [15:14] prove by typing something. [15:14] so far I lost my connection 3 times since 8 am [15:14] do-release-upgrade? [15:14] ChinnoDog: you can [15:15] InHisName: well, if the connections are dead they'll be disconnected from irc, as well ;) [15:15] did one last night [15:15] InHisName: Something. Have I proved myself now? [15:17] In trying to run 'monitors', I get "it appears that your graphics driver does not support the necessary extension to use this tool. Do you want to use your graphics drive vendor's tool instead ?" [15:17] Am I missing something in my graphics system in main box ? [15:18] yes, knightzero - now feel free to join the free for all conversations. [15:19] Once I manage to purge unity completely from my system, I'll be in a far more talkative mood. [15:19] Monitor used to be detected at Dell 110, Now "unknown", harrumph! [15:19] Why can't I find documentation for upgrading to natty from CD/DVD? Link? [15:20] PennBot: upgrade? [15:20] Rumor has it upgrade is how to get the newest Ubuntu release. Set Prompt=normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and then sudo do-release-upgrade, ChinnoDog [15:20] PennBot: CD upgrade? [15:20] I have no idea, ChinnoDog. [15:22] ChinnoDog: after you burn the disc just put it back in and wait for a box to come up asking if you want to update [15:22] Which disk? Regular, alternate, DVD? [15:22] alt [15:27] teddy-dbear: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades#Upgrading Using the Alternate CD/DVD [15:27] Title: Upgrading to Ubuntu 11.04 - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com) [15:27] yay for spaces in the url... [15:40] PennBot: CD upgrade is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades#Upgrading Using the Alternate CD/DVD [15:40] Got it, ChinnoDog. [15:42] pleia2, are you going to uds? [15:42] lamalex: she said she was [15:43] thanks andrew [15:43] ssweeny, you're going too?! [15:44] where is next uds at? [15:44] budapest [15:44] next week [15:44] heh, I'll have to wait for the next one [15:44] heh yah [15:45] oh yeah there's lyz on the list of attendees [15:45] i'm leaving in a few hours and haven't started packing [15:45] well that's not true [15:45] i found my passport [15:46] most important part [15:48] yah, i could really go with just my laptop and the clothes im wearing [15:48] * lamalex thinks about that [15:48] That would be traveling light [15:52] ChinnoDog: swap the laptop for a smartphone, and I'd agree [15:52] That would be ultralight [15:53] ultralight would mean leaving the smartphone at home and bringing the smallest flip phone you could find [15:53] Skip the clothes you are wearing too. They just make it take longer to get through airport security. [15:54] I think the curve starts to increase as clothing approches zero, more suspission that you are up to something [15:54] saves wear and tear on the xray machines [15:55] lamalex, yep [15:55] as a canonical employee [15:59] whoa really? [15:59] congrats! [15:59] ssweeny, what team are you on? [15:59] package update - all current as of 1 hour ago. How to have it trigger update to next 10.10 etc ? [16:00] lamalex, i'm joining the oem services team [16:00] my first day is actually the first day of uds [16:00] heh, that was me last uds [16:00] ssweeny: is it a full time job ? How did you do that ? [16:01] InHisName: repeat the steps [16:01] do-release-upgrade [16:02] would that be in terminal sudo do-etc? [16:03] ssweeny, well congrats [16:03] i guess ill see you next week [16:03] i didn't see your name on the new hires email [16:03] i guess i should actually read them.. [16:03] probably because i haven't started yet [16:03] but thanks [16:03] In past times it came as a clickable button on the upgrade part. Does that not happen anymore ? [16:03] i'm really excited [16:04] have we ever actually met? [16:04] not in person [16:04] what are you doing in oem? [16:04] embedded/linaro stuff? [16:04] InHisName: It does, but you may have to check again [16:04] InHisName, update-manager -d [16:05] don't do it! [16:05] InHisName: In fact, this time it actually popped up "Introducing Natty Norwhal 11.04" [16:05] ssweeny: didn't you come to the halloween celebration in jenkin town a few years ago ? [16:06] So which should I try first ? sudo do-etc ? or upd-mgr -d ? [16:06] InHisName, i was at the halloween party but lamalex skipped [16:07] i think right now update-manager -d will get you oneiric [16:07] Ok, So then I did meet you. You were from Pitts area, right ? [16:07] that's right [16:07] i was dressed as indiana jones [16:07] great costume [16:08] thanks [16:08] the whip was the hardest part to find [16:08] remember the kid's mom that was dismayed ? mutantturkey he persisted. [16:09] yeah [16:10] lamalex, all i know about the job is it'll be customizing ubuntu for particular OEMs' hardware. some will be embedded i imagine but not exclusively so [16:11] neat [16:11] pretty similar to what i do now, but with real products instead of dev kits [16:13] ssweeny, are you working from home, or one of the offices [16:14] i know a lot of the oem people work from lexington [16:16] sudo update-manager -d worked just ducky. Upgrading to 10.10 [16:17] too bad you can't just skip to the newest [16:19] I have more fun practicing upgrading this way. [16:20] yeah, what a great skill you'll definitely need down the road [16:20] 10.04 took over 16 months to complete. Anything will be faster than that! It was only my test box so wasn't desperate to get it faster. [16:22] lamalex, i'll be working from home [16:22] I finally chased problem down by viewing text mode and noting what was LAST success and googling that. [16:22] probably visit the lexington office on occasion [16:23] Seems many others 'hung' at same spot. many solutions, tried 3 and third one turned the trick. [16:24] ssweeny: how did you 'discover' the opening ? job listing or some inside connection ? [16:25] InHisName, there was a listing on canonical's website [16:27] did they ask for a min depth of PAID experience in group of applications? If so what was num years req'd. [16:29] they said they wanted "experience" but did not specify how long [16:30] for this particular job they wanted experience in debian packaging, kernel development, C/python/shell, GTK, ARM, DBUS [16:31] i've done most of that :) [16:31] ssweeny: done as in being paid ? or done combined with dabbling at home ? [16:32] i think combined [16:32] they really just wanted someone familiar with the stuff [16:32] lamalex, what do you do for the big C? [16:32] DX [16:33] other HRs have trouble recognizing the at home experiences and sometimes the volunteer stuff too. [16:33] oh nice [16:33] yah [16:33] unity team [16:33] booyah [16:33] InHisName, i think a company that deals with volunteers at the scale that canonical does would recognize the value of tinkering at home [16:33] lamalex, unity is pretty snazzy [16:34] ssweeny, our recognition of tinkering at home is imo the biggest problem with our hr dept [16:34] but it doesn't like my sloppy focus [16:34] tsk tsk [16:34] lamalex, how so? [16:34] we hire a lot of at home python hackers who are NOT software engineers [16:34] there's a massive difference [16:34] oh well i can see that being a problem [16:34] canonical pays like third world pay scale or us non-profit scale ? [16:34] ... [16:35] there's a false dichotomy for ya [16:35] still, i think someone who can write code, even amateurisly, can be trained to do it properly [16:35] yah, of course [16:35] but that's what temp/intern positions are for [16:36] and the "software engineering" practices have meant something completely different at each job i've worked [16:36] it's probably more important to be able to collaborate effectively [16:36] so when i say software engineer i don't mean knows about agile or scrum or whatever bs middle management technique is in use [16:36] code review can take care of the rest [16:37] i really mean someone with a professional attitude about writing code, and has some background in the theory [16:37] i probably just mean "has a degree" [16:37] to me the biggest difference between a hacker and an engineer is an attitude difference [16:37] ah [16:37] i can see that [16:38] some level of training definitely helps [16:39] but i guess that's also kind of the difference between DX and desktop team, desktop is more packaging so they have a knowledge of code but that's not there main thing [16:39] their [16:39] true [16:40] I run system monitor and CPU shows 100% most of time. top shows 18-28% most of the time is there an explanation ? [16:41] perhaps system monitor is using a lot of cpu time itself [16:41] htop [16:48] InHisName, what does top show when system monitor is running? [16:49] the numbers stated above. [16:50] ok, maybe a bug then [16:50] that was the first number in top 23.4%us plus several others all way less than 100. [17:10] lamalex: have a safe trip [17:11] top has several numbers: 28%us 18%sy 51%ni plus a few around 1% [17:20] lamalex: all that is so true...like music self-taught vs traines w/ theory too [17:22] i am seeing that now doing the mit courses and really doing them to learn...not just "i know that" [17:37] ok, downloaded an 11.04 CD [17:44] :D [17:44] UNITY [17:50] ONE OF US! ONE OF US! [17:59] Is it intentional that the ubuntu CD images are always too big for a CDRW? [18:01] just for you [18:01] Its a conspiracy against me? [18:01] cd rws have less space then cd r? [18:02] if not willing to invest that dime for cdr, yes [18:02] andrew: i'm taking his word [18:02] i always thought they were the same size, but never looked into it [18:02] granted, there might be some 650MB instead of 700MB [18:05] yes, 650MB instead of 700, i.e. 74min instead of 80. [18:11] why not buy a couple 700 MB CD-RWs? [18:11] Do those exist? [18:11] The very first shopping link on google for the search "cd-rw" is 700MB [18:12] in fact, all 4 of them are [18:14] installed [18:15] (I excluded one because it is some sony thing) [18:16] Google shopping results: [18:16] cd-rw 650mb - About 1,770 results; cd-rw 700mb - About 10,100 results [18:16] Then I guess my CDRWs are prehistoric [18:17] Guess so [18:17] I still have a few 2Xones. :-) [18:17] S [18:17] l [18:18] o [18:18] logging in, isn't this exciting :P [18:18] w [18:18] The speakers are making strange spitting sounds. [18:18] ! [18:18] I know. I haven't used them in a long time. I only use them when I am desperate and don't plan on rewriting it any time soon. [18:20] No 1 or 2 GB flash drive arond? [18:20] around* [18:22] Your right, I should just be using those. :-) CDs are obsolete now, right? [18:22] http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/gzwc3/lets_share_unity_tips/ [18:22] Title: Let's share Unity tips! : Ubuntu (at www.reddit.com) [18:22] ^ all ^ [18:22]