[01:24] does that mean that valorie like KDE prior to v3? ;) [02:06] not sure of the dates [02:07] ever since Mandrake [02:07] maybe around 2002 or 3? [02:07] I kept looking at gnome, and saying ummmm, no [02:07] * valorie has her own release party here, with pizza AND beer [02:08] and torrents, and backups [02:08] no upgrade yet [02:08] backup taking for-frickin-ever [02:23] * seattlegaucho needs to go home ... it has been bad week this far ... need to survive tomorrow [02:25] {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to seattlegaucho [02:25] will I see you this weekend? [02:26] nope ... I have to go to Pulman ... the other corner of the state ... to visit my son @ WSU [02:26] but I would've love to be @ LNW [02:26] I would say bummer, but good to be with kidz [02:27] I haven't gone in 3 years and I miss it dearly [02:27] yeah, my 6' 2" *baby* [02:27] lol [02:27] :) [02:27] my 6'2" baby was here last weekend for Easter [02:28] :) [02:28] taking the trip to Bellingham with my oldest son [02:28] he always reminds of my dad ... "no matter how old your babies are ... you'll always be a parent" [02:28] nice to get both [02:28] :-) [02:28] oh, for sure [02:29] my dad passed away long ago ... but my son has all the ticks and mannerisms that used to annoy me [02:29] can't blame it on hanging out with him ... it has to be genetics [02:29] ... and karma :) [02:30] that's what I tell my kids "may your kids behave the same way you did" :) [02:30] ... see ya [04:38] hello [04:51] hi Lancelot [04:51] happy release day! [04:52] really? [04:52] when was this? [04:52] * valorie is still preparing for the upgrade [04:52] new *buntus today [04:52] to be honest I stopped [04:52] I'm on karmic still [04:52] Natty Narwhal [04:52] I find the changes to gnome ugly [04:52] oh, I loved Lucid [04:52] Mav was good too [04:52] well, i use Kubuntu [04:53] I always think gnome is ugly [04:53] lol [04:53] :p [04:53] does compiz work in gnome? [04:53] kDE* [04:53] I meant to say [04:53] yes, if you want it [04:53] we have built-in effects [04:53] I like my special effects [04:53] I don't use all of them [04:53] Kwin [04:53] but the ones I do I love [04:53] sure, you can choose which you like [04:54] and which you don't [04:54] I don't like most of them [04:54] wobbly windows is silly to me [04:54] but I like blur [04:54] and transparency [04:56] blur...eww [04:56] lol [04:56] and yeah, the wobbly windows is awful [04:56] transparency is just sort of there [04:56] everything in KDE is configurabel [04:56] I don't use it heavily [04:56] you have it just the way you want it [04:56] I really love expo, and the cube though [04:56] ok [04:56] lol [04:56] dunno what expo is, and the cube seems silly [04:57] plus cube gears [04:57] :/ [04:57] it's great! [04:57] my son loves it though [04:57] expo displays all the workspaces side by side [04:57] ok [04:57] you can move windows around between them [04:57] pretty useful actually [04:57] not sure taht KDE has that, but maybe it doesn [04:58] does [04:58] the only thing I hate about compiz, is that if you hibernate it messes up when you boot up again [04:58] you can ask in #kubuntu or #KDE [04:58] I think that was fixed, but I'm still using karmic [04:58] so meh? [04:58] hmm, I've never noticed that [04:58] but then, I don't use compiz [04:58] yeah [04:58] I use kwin [04:59] how about unity? [04:59] I don't really like it to be honest [04:59] we use KDE [04:59] so no unity [04:59] the whole loco team? [04:59] kubuntu, I mean [04:59] I see [05:00] wow, the multiboot USB I just set up [05:00] I hate how all the OS vendors are trying to make their interfaces look like stuff found on mobile devices [05:01] will automatically set up whatever you want in a VM [05:01] that's awesome [05:01] ? [05:01] wha? [05:01] http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/ [05:01] oh [05:01] neat [05:01] I just use VBox, but that works too I guess [05:01] I'm making sure that if I have trouble in the upgrade [05:01] I have a live USB [05:01] always have one [05:02] well, my other one went somewhere [05:02] I'd personally just prefer to completely clean everything out [05:02] reinstall the OS entirely [05:02] can't remember if I lent it, or what [05:02] I did that for mav [05:02] that way you don't have issues with clutter from the last version [05:02] I think this upgrade should be fine [05:02] I've heard of very few problems [05:02] next time I'll do it clean [05:02] ah [05:02] or this time if there are problems [05:02] I just did a backup [05:03] I just prefer to avoid the mess and do it directly [05:03] why mess around? [05:04] the upgrade needs testing too [05:04] both ways have worked well for me [05:06] last time I tried upgrading a bunch of stuff borked [05:06] sound went wonky [05:06] gnome pooped itself [05:06] etc. [05:07] heh [05:07] that's gnome for ya [05:07] lol [05:07] eh [05:07] not really [05:07] mishandled update [05:07] so how many folks are in this group? [05:07] I was just kidding [05:07] people should use what they like [05:07] I can never pick up sarcasm over text [05:08] I think there is maybe 2 or 3 times of the chan members on the list [05:08] rather tiny for an entire state [05:08] but I guess as the homebase of Microsoft..... [05:09] lol [05:10] i think we just need leadership [05:10] I don't have time, Linda doesn't have time, Salt doesn't have time, etc. etc. [05:10] I don't have time :/ [05:11] there ya go [05:11] one of these days we'll attract the right person [05:11] or one of us will choose to make the time [05:11] it's kinda sad that ubuntu teams are the only locos really left active [05:12] GSLUG is still active [05:12] haven't heard of them [05:12] the Open Source meetup is active [05:12] try #gslug [05:12] I meant linux specifically [05:12] but sure [05:12] are you coming to linuxfest northwest this weekend? [05:12] right, that is greater Seattle LUG [05:13] can't make it this year [05:13] boo [05:13] haven't actually been to one before [05:14] last year was my first [05:14] I'm going up tomorrow with my oldest son [05:19] actually, bellingham might be possible [05:19] I don't know [05:21] even just Saturday is useful [05:22] even if you can't stay the night [05:22] there's some pretty nice stuff that day [05:22] or Sunday, but a bit less so [05:23] the drive up will be pretty too [05:23] tulips and such [05:23] where are you driving from? [05:44] I live right outside Black Diamond [05:44] and my son is in south Seattle [05:44] so we'll just zip up 5 [05:46] shouldn't be a horribly long drive [05:50] well I'm gonna jump off [05:50] bye [06:17] the ubuntu servers must be hammered, my upgrade is taking a while [06:17] getting these new packages taking a while [06:19] it's usually worth switching to a local mirror [06:19] i'm mid upgrade right now [06:19] it's downloading packages [06:19] not sure how to choose a diff mirror [06:19] oh, a dist-upgrade? [06:20] yes [06:21] wouldn't want to mess with that [06:21] i am giving it a shot [06:22] im anticipating a full fresh install [19:21] upgrade went w/o a hitch ;) [20:57] Will anyone here be in the vicinity of Bellevue today? Or Valorie, I forget where you live, but might you be passing nearby on your drive north? [21:06] sorry, we are heading up I-5 -- why? [21:11] Stack Exchange offered to cover the costs of printing some Ask Ubuntu cards for our table at LFNW — http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1278/is-it-okay-to-set-these-out-on-our-table-at-linuxfest-northwest — but accidentally ordered them at a print shop in Bellevue instead of Bellingham. If someone besides me could pick them up then they could avoid having to cancel and reorder somewhere else. [21:12] OK, I'll do it [21:13] where is the shop? In fact, can you email me the name and address to valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com so it's on my phone? [21:13] When are you planning on leaving? Another complication is that the cards wouldn't be ready until 5:00pm and the shop closes at 6:00pm. :) [21:14] shoot [21:14] am leaving in about 20 mins [21:14] Okay, don't worry about it then. [21:14] maybe androidbruce could pick them up? [21:14] he or seattlegaucho work in Bellevue [21:15] The cards haven't been made yet, so they're checking for a place in Bellingham as we speak. [21:15] cool [21:24] Just got an update. They'll be ready for me to pick up on my way home from campus today. So awesome. [21:25] SUPER!