[01:24] <seattlegaucho> does that mean that valorie like KDE prior to v3? ;)
[02:06] <valorie> not sure of the dates
[02:07] <valorie> ever since Mandrake
[02:07] <valorie> maybe around 2002 or 3?
[02:07] <valorie> I kept looking at gnome, and saying ummmm, no
[02:07]  * valorie has her own release party here, with pizza AND beer
[02:08] <valorie> and torrents, and backups
[02:08] <valorie> no upgrade yet
[02:08] <valorie> backup taking for-frickin-ever
[02:23]  * seattlegaucho needs to go home ... it has been bad week this far ... need to survive tomorrow
[02:25] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to seattlegaucho
[02:25] <valorie> will I see you this weekend?
[02:26] <seattlegaucho> nope ... I have to go to Pulman ... the other corner of the state ... to visit my son @ WSU 
[02:26] <seattlegaucho> but I would've love to be @ LNW 
[02:26] <valorie> I would say bummer, but good to be with kidz
[02:27] <seattlegaucho> I haven't gone in 3 years and I miss it dearly
[02:27] <seattlegaucho> yeah, my 6' 2" *baby*
[02:27] <valorie> lol
[02:27] <seattlegaucho> :)
[02:27] <valorie> my 6'2" baby was here last weekend for Easter
[02:28] <seattlegaucho> :)
[02:28] <valorie> taking the trip to Bellingham with my oldest son
[02:28] <seattlegaucho> he always reminds of my dad ... "no matter how old your babies are ... you'll always be a parent"
[02:28] <valorie> nice to get both
[02:28] <valorie> :-)
[02:28] <valorie> oh, for sure
[02:29] <seattlegaucho> my dad passed away long ago ... but my son has all the ticks and mannerisms that used to annoy me
[02:29] <seattlegaucho> can't blame it on hanging out with him ... it has to be genetics
[02:29] <seattlegaucho> ... and karma :)
[02:30] <seattlegaucho> that's what I tell my kids "may your kids behave the same way you did" :)
[02:30] <seattlegaucho> ... see ya
[04:38] <Lancelot> hello
[04:51] <valorie> hi Lancelot
[04:51] <valorie> happy release day!
[04:52] <Lancelot> really?
[04:52] <Lancelot> when was this?
[04:52]  * valorie is still preparing for the upgrade
[04:52] <valorie> new *buntus today
[04:52] <Lancelot> to be honest I stopped
[04:52] <Lancelot> I'm on karmic still
[04:52] <valorie> Natty Narwhal
[04:52] <Lancelot> I find the changes to gnome ugly
[04:52] <valorie> oh, I loved Lucid
[04:52] <valorie> Mav was good too
[04:52] <valorie> well, i use Kubuntu
[04:53] <valorie> I always think gnome is ugly
[04:53] <valorie> lol
[04:53] <Lancelot> :p
[04:53] <Lancelot> does compiz work in gnome?
[04:53] <Lancelot> kDE*
[04:53] <Lancelot> I meant to say
[04:53] <valorie> yes, if you want it
[04:53] <valorie> we have built-in effects
[04:53] <Lancelot> I like my special effects
[04:53] <Lancelot> I don't use all of them
[04:53] <valorie> Kwin
[04:53] <Lancelot> but the ones I do I love
[04:53] <valorie> sure, you can choose which you like
[04:54] <valorie> and which you don't
[04:54] <valorie> I don't like most of them
[04:54] <valorie> wobbly windows is silly to me
[04:54] <valorie> but I like blur
[04:54] <valorie> and transparency
[04:56] <Lancelot> blur...eww
[04:56] <valorie> lol
[04:56] <Lancelot> and yeah, the wobbly windows is awful
[04:56] <Lancelot> transparency is just sort of there
[04:56] <valorie> everything in KDE is configurabel
[04:56] <Lancelot> I don't use it heavily
[04:56] <valorie> you have it just the way you want it
[04:56] <Lancelot> I really love expo, and the cube though
[04:56] <valorie> ok
[04:56] <valorie> lol
[04:56] <valorie> dunno what expo is, and the cube seems silly
[04:57] <Lancelot> plus cube gears
[04:57] <Lancelot> :/
[04:57] <Lancelot> it's great!
[04:57] <valorie> my son loves it though
[04:57] <Lancelot> expo displays all the workspaces side by side
[04:57] <valorie> ok
[04:57] <Lancelot> you can move windows around between them
[04:57] <Lancelot> pretty useful actually
[04:57] <valorie> not sure taht KDE has that, but maybe it doesn
[04:58] <valorie> does
[04:58] <Lancelot> the only thing I hate about compiz, is that if you hibernate it messes up when you boot up again
[04:58] <valorie> you can ask in #kubuntu or #KDE
[04:58] <Lancelot> I think that was fixed, but I'm still using karmic
[04:58] <Lancelot> so meh?
[04:58] <valorie> hmm, I've never noticed that
[04:58] <valorie> but then, I don't use compiz
[04:58] <Lancelot> yeah
[04:58] <valorie> I use kwin
[04:59] <Lancelot> how about unity?
[04:59] <Lancelot> I don't really like it to be honest
[04:59] <valorie> we use KDE
[04:59] <valorie> so no unity
[04:59] <Lancelot> the whole loco team?
[04:59] <valorie> kubuntu, I mean
[04:59] <Lancelot> I see
[05:00] <valorie> wow, the multiboot USB I just set up
[05:00] <Lancelot> I hate how all the OS vendors are trying to make their interfaces look like stuff found on mobile devices
[05:01] <valorie> will automatically set up whatever you want in a VM
[05:01] <valorie> that's awesome
[05:01] <Lancelot> ?
[05:01] <Lancelot> wha?
[05:01] <valorie> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/
[05:01] <Lancelot> oh
[05:01] <Lancelot> neat
[05:01] <Lancelot> I just use VBox, but that works too I guess
[05:01] <valorie> I'm making sure that if I have trouble in the upgrade
[05:01] <valorie> I have a live USB
[05:01] <Lancelot> always have one
[05:02] <valorie> well, my other one went somewhere
[05:02] <Lancelot> I'd personally just prefer to completely clean everything out
[05:02] <Lancelot> reinstall the OS entirely
[05:02] <valorie> can't remember if I lent it, or what
[05:02] <valorie> I did that for mav
[05:02] <Lancelot> that way you don't have issues with clutter from the last version
[05:02] <valorie> I think this upgrade should be fine
[05:02] <valorie> I've heard of very few problems
[05:02] <valorie> next time I'll do it clean
[05:02] <Lancelot> ah
[05:02] <valorie> or this time if there are problems
[05:02] <valorie> I just did a backup
[05:03] <Lancelot> I just prefer to avoid the mess and do it directly
[05:03] <Lancelot> why mess around?
[05:04] <valorie> the upgrade needs testing too
[05:04] <valorie> both ways have worked well for me
[05:06] <Lancelot> last time I tried upgrading a bunch of stuff borked
[05:06] <Lancelot> sound went wonky
[05:06] <Lancelot> gnome pooped itself
[05:06] <Lancelot> etc.
[05:07] <valorie> heh
[05:07] <valorie> that's gnome for ya
[05:07] <valorie> lol
[05:07] <Lancelot> eh
[05:07] <Lancelot> not really
[05:07] <Lancelot> mishandled update
[05:07] <Lancelot> so how many folks are in this group?
[05:07] <valorie> I was just kidding
[05:07] <valorie> people should use what they like
[05:07] <Lancelot> I can never pick up sarcasm over text
[05:08] <valorie> I think there is maybe 2 or 3 times of the chan members on the list
[05:08] <valorie> rather tiny for an entire state
[05:08] <valorie> but I guess as the homebase of Microsoft.....
[05:09] <Lancelot> lol
[05:10] <valorie> i think we just need leadership
[05:10] <valorie> I don't have time, Linda doesn't have time, Salt doesn't have time, etc. etc.
[05:10] <Lancelot> I don't have time :/
[05:11] <valorie> there ya go
[05:11] <valorie> one of these days we'll attract the right person
[05:11] <valorie> or one of us will choose to make the time
[05:11] <Lancelot> it's kinda sad that ubuntu teams are the only locos really left active
[05:12] <valorie> GSLUG is still active
[05:12] <Lancelot> haven't heard of them
[05:12] <valorie> the Open Source meetup is active
[05:12] <valorie> try #gslug
[05:12] <Lancelot> I meant linux specifically
[05:12] <Lancelot> but sure
[05:12] <valorie> are you coming to linuxfest northwest this weekend?
[05:12] <valorie> right, that is greater Seattle LUG
[05:13] <Lancelot> can't make it this year
[05:13] <valorie> boo
[05:13] <Lancelot> haven't actually been to one before
[05:14] <valorie> last year was my first
[05:14] <valorie> I'm going up tomorrow with my oldest son
[05:19] <Lancelot> actually, bellingham might be possible
[05:19] <Lancelot> I don't know
[05:21] <valorie> even just Saturday is useful
[05:22] <valorie> even if you can't stay the night
[05:22] <Lancelot> there's some pretty nice stuff that day
[05:22] <valorie> or Sunday, but a bit less so
[05:23] <valorie> the drive up will be pretty too
[05:23] <valorie> tulips and such
[05:23] <Lancelot> where are you driving from?
[05:44] <valorie> I live right outside Black Diamond
[05:44] <valorie> and my son is in south Seattle
[05:44] <valorie> so we'll just zip up 5
[05:46] <Lancelot> shouldn't be a horribly long drive
[05:50] <Lancelot> well I'm gonna jump off
[05:50] <Lancelot> bye
[06:17] <androidbruce> the ubuntu servers must be hammered, my upgrade is taking a while 
[06:17] <androidbruce> getting these new packages taking a while 
[06:19] <aendruk> it's usually worth switching to a local mirror
[06:19] <androidbruce> i'm mid upgrade right now 
[06:19] <androidbruce> it's downloading packages 
[06:19] <androidbruce> not sure how to choose a diff mirror 
[06:19] <aendruk> oh, a dist-upgrade?
[06:20] <androidbruce> yes 
[06:21] <aendruk> wouldn't want to mess with that
[06:21] <androidbruce> i am giving it a shot
[06:22] <androidbruce> im anticipating a full fresh install 
[19:21] <androidbruce> upgrade went w/o a hitch ;)
[20:57] <aendruk> Will anyone here be in the vicinity of Bellevue today? Or Valorie, I forget where you live, but might you be passing nearby on your drive north?
[21:06] <valorie> sorry, we are heading up I-5 -- why?
[21:11] <aendruk> Stack Exchange offered to cover the costs of printing some Ask Ubuntu cards for our table at LFNW — http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1278/is-it-okay-to-set-these-out-on-our-table-at-linuxfest-northwest — but accidentally ordered them at a print shop in Bellevue instead of Bellingham. If someone besides me could pick them up then they could avoid having to cancel and reorder somewhere else.
[21:12] <valorie> OK, I'll do it
[21:13] <valorie> where is the shop? In fact, can you email me the name and address to valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com so it's on my phone?
[21:13] <aendruk> When are you planning on leaving? Another complication is that the cards wouldn't be ready until 5:00pm and the shop closes at 6:00pm. :)
[21:14] <valorie> shoot
[21:14] <valorie> am leaving in about 20 mins
[21:14] <aendruk> Okay, don't worry about it then.
[21:14] <valorie> maybe androidbruce could pick them up?
[21:14] <valorie> he or seattlegaucho work in Bellevue
[21:15] <aendruk> The cards haven't been made yet, so they're checking for a place in Bellingham as we speak.
[21:15] <valorie> cool
[21:24] <aendruk> Just got an update. They'll be ready for me to pick up on my way home from campus today. So awesome.
[21:25] <valorie> SUPER!