[00:17] <RAOF> It's always interesting to catch up with the linaro guys.
[02:39] <jcastro> bryceh: you're sorted with your Xorg team session on Thursday, right after lunch so you guys will be nice and happy.
[02:45] <Sarvatt> jcastro: thanks a ton for that
[02:47] <RAOF> We should probably have a wayland-specific session, now that I think of it.
[02:57] <jcastro> RAOF: remember that there is an -o- in the titles, so I encourage you to do something that makes desktop-wayland-o-matic-something-clever 
[02:57] <RAOF> Heh.
[02:57] <RAOF> The nomenclature is desktop-o, though right?
 RAOF: strange, ubuntu people are talking about shipping wayland as the default in 11.10
[04:26] <soreau> ;)
[04:58] <bjsnider> yeah, that's going to happen
[04:58] <bjsnider> 5000 developers and 100000 testers are working 24/7 on it for the next 6 months
[05:01] <bjsnider> i wonder how the issue of the blob's lack of gem/kms would be solved in 6 months
[05:18] <bryceh> jcastro, thanks
[05:18] <RAOF> Eh.  It wouldn't actually be *too* hard to transition to X-on-wayland, and there are some benefits to that.
[05:19] <bryceh> RAOF, let's wait for some guidance from mark before we get too far down the pike
[05:20] <RAOF> Oh, I'm not suggesting that we'll be *doing* it, but it's hardly 2500 developer-years and 50,000 tester-years worth of work :)
[05:21]  * bryceh works on getting CivV installed under wine...
[05:22]  * RAOF found that it Just Worked.
[05:22] <RAOF> Also, care of nvidia's linux drivers being significantly better than their windows drivers, was much more stable.
[05:24] <bryceh> heh
[05:25] <bryceh> well, I'm trying to get it running on -ati
[05:26] <RAOF> fglrx might run it.  And possibly r600g with mesa from git and float textures enabled and libtxc-dxtn and a 2.6.39 kernel might, too :)
[05:29] <bryceh> funny bug, when I move the Steam dialog window 100 pixels horizontally, it moves 200 pixels
[06:54] <soreau> RAOF: nvidia linux drivers more stable than their windows counterparts? How do you figure that?
[06:55] <soreau> I was wondering, if radeon gallium is default for natty, what does libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental provide?
[07:00] <tjaalton> nouveau_dri.so
[07:22] <RAOF> soreau: For my hardware - 7600go - I have a choice of nvidia-current on linux or 170.63 on Windows.
[07:32] <tjaalton> hum, so the moonlight package doesn't actually do anything
[07:32] <tjaalton> doesn't show up in about:plugins
[07:45] <RAOF> Which plugin package?
[07:47] <tjaalton> moonlight-plugin-mozilla
[07:48] <RAOF> Ah.  In archive.
[07:48] <tjaalton> needed to install the 4.0-preview to get anything
[07:49] <tjaalton> though silverlight4 content doesn't work with it either
[07:49] <tjaalton> so, moo
[16:50] <cnd> bryceh, found a nasty bug with masked valuators and input coordinate transformation
[16:51] <cnd> I've got a patch that I'm testing out right now
[16:51] <cnd> it should undergo plenty of testing before being SRU'd though
[16:51] <cnd> how do you think we should go about this?
[18:00] <Sarvatt> cnd: can you send it to me so I can add it to edgers at least?
[18:01] <cnd> Sarvatt, sure
[19:08] <bjsnider> ricotz, i guess the network-manager-gnome package isn't really integrating with gnome-shell like it was supposed to
[19:11] <ricotz> bjsnider, if you arent using the nm-0.9 packages then this is normal
[19:22] <bjsnider> ricotz, where do i get those packages?
[19:23] <ricotz> bjsnider, you can use ppa:ricotz/staging, but without a gnome-control-center with nm0.9 support you will loose some functionality
[19:24] <ricotz> the import package is gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0
[19:25] <bjsnider> what functionality?
[19:26] <ricotz> bjsnider, access to the configuration
[19:27] <bjsnider> i don't do anything crazy with it, just dhcp/wired
[19:27] <ricotz> but using nm-connection-editor directly should work fine
[19:27] <ricotz> in this case you should be fine
[19:28] <bjsnider> the only networking options i see in gnome control center now are for adding proxies
[19:29] <bjsnider> ricotz, how long before the nm-0.9 package is added to the gnome 3 ppa?
[19:30] <ricotz> bjsnider, yes, to have more option g-c-c needs to be compiled with nm09 support which is disabled in the ppa
[19:30] <ricotz> not sure might, you probably want to use oneiric which should include it soon
[19:31] <bjsnider> ricotz, the plan is to have gnome 3 side by side with unity in oneiric?
[19:31] <ricotz> yes
[19:38] <bjsnider> i don't understand how the indicators get worked around, since gnome 3 doesn't use them
[20:29] <BUGabundo> howdy
[20:30] <BUGabundo> I got a bit of mess with my X package
[20:30] <BUGabundo> for a while on Natty, and since I just upgraded to 11.10 
[20:30] <BUGabundo> I would like to get it clear, before more stuff messes it up
[20:31] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600936/
[20:31] <BUGabundo> thanks in advance
[22:30] <Sarvatt> cnd: thanks a ton, got the patch
[22:30] <Sarvatt> ppa.launchpad.net is down though
[22:30] <Sarvatt> just tried to upload it, Connection failed, aborting. Check your network [Errno 111] Connection refused
[22:33] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: can you take a look ?
[22:33] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600936/
[22:34] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: dpkg -l?
[22:35] <BUGabundo> of what?
[22:35] <BUGabundo> everything? :P
[22:36] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -l | pastebinit 
[22:36] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600993/
[22:36] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: ^^^^
[22:36] <Sarvatt> yeah somethings out of wack and it could be a lot of things :)
[22:36] <BUGabundo> it has been for a while
[22:36] <BUGabundo> after I pushed a X ppa
[22:36] <BUGabundo> and removed it after
[22:37] <BUGabundo> FYI I'm on 11.10 :D
[22:37] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: yeah thats all kinds of messed up, lets see..
[22:38] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: ok start with
[22:38] <Sarvatt> add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu natty main to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/xorg-edgers.list
[22:38] <Sarvatt> then sudo apt-get update
[22:38] <Sarvatt> then sudo ppa-purge xorg-edgers
[22:39] <Sarvatt> you have some stuff from the xserver 1.10 RC ABI's lingering around, i'm surprised stuff works :)
[22:39] <BUGabundo> :)
[22:39] <Sarvatt> that should fix it though, let me know if it doesn't
[22:40] <BUGabundo> okay
[22:40] <BUGabundo> PPA is slow
[22:40] <BUGabundo> so gonna take a bit
[22:49] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: how sane does this look? http://paste.ubuntu.com/600998/
[22:50] <Sarvatt> perfect
[22:51] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all after too to get it back to normal
[22:52] <Sarvatt> libglapi-mesa is specific to xorg-edgers at the moment and not in mesa 7.10 so normal its going to be removed
[22:53] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: as a reminder , im on 11.10 in case it matters :P
[22:53] <Sarvatt> yepyep theres nothing X specific there yet
[22:53] <Sarvatt> just a copy of 11.04
[22:54] <BUGabundo> okay
[22:54] <Sarvatt> i had ya add the natty sources so those packages would get added to the list to be removed, don't have oneiric stuff in xorg-edgers yet because PPAs are screwed
[23:01] <Sarvatt> sure wish I could figure out why unity is spazzing out on me the past few days, I can't interact with the panel or use alt shortcuts or change channels in xchat randomly every few hours
[23:02] <Sarvatt> close terminator, it works again for a few seconds until it happens again
[23:02] <BUGabundo> PPA purged successfully using aptitude fallback
[23:02] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: let me know if it works, got to run soon for dinner :)
[23:03] <BUGabundo> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[23:03] <BUGabundo>   xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-ati{a} xserver-xorg-video-mach64{a} xserver-xorg-video-openchrome{a} xserver-xorg-video-qxl{a} xserver-xorg-video-r128{a} xserver-xorg-video-radeon{a} xserver-xorg-video-s3virge{a} xserver-xorg-video-savage{a} xserver-xorg-video-vmware{a} 
[23:03] <BUGabundo> feel free to go
[23:03] <BUGabundo> ill ping you tomorrow nite on the result
[23:03] <Sarvatt> oh alrighty, I'm on MSN too
[23:04] <Sarvatt> oh wait, didn't set up MSN on this new PC, doing it now
[23:04] <BUGabundo> ahah
[23:04] <BUGabundo> MSN
[23:04] <BUGabundo> don't use that
[23:04] <BUGabundo> all I have its your Xbox XMPP
[23:04] <BUGabundo> :P
[23:04] <Sarvatt> wish I could change that!
[23:05] <BUGabundo> mauauaa
[23:05] <BUGabundo> why ?
[23:05] <Sarvatt> i picked that nick on my 360 account that can't get online anymore, they dont let you change the nick anywhere else apparently
[23:06] <Sarvatt> i'm on it via pidgin and it has that name stored server side somewhere :)
[23:06] <BUGabundo> ah
[23:07] <BUGabundo> wait
[23:07] <Sarvatt> shows up as Alias: Sarvatt  here, not sure why it show the xbox 360 account name for other people
[23:07] <BUGabundo> Account
[23:07] <BUGabundo> pick that one
[23:07] <BUGabundo> User Info