| nuvolari | meh. think I prefer gnome3's notifications | 06:33 |
|---|---|---|
| nuvolari | and the instant reply feature | 06:33 |
| nuvolari | mornings nlsthzn | 06:37 |
| nlsthzn | nuvolari: Top of the morning to you :) | 06:37 |
| nuvolari | ok, hope nothing breaks | 06:56 |
| * nuvolari restarts for gnome3 | 06:56 | |
| nlsthzn | nuvolari: good luck with the shell... I still have it on my netbook at the moment... can't say I am a fan yet | 06:57 |
| inetpro | good morning | 06:57 |
| * nlsthzn waves | 07:01 | |
| Blondi | HELLO xxx | 07:02 |
| nuvolari | nlsthzn: well. the test version on ubuntu 10.10 felt more natural | 07:03 |
| nuvolari | ok, brb | 07:03 |
| sakhi | moonin | 07:32 |
| superfly | morning everyone | 07:34 |
| sakhi | yo superfly | 07:46 |
| nuvolari | ok. so I'm stuck | 08:25 |
| nuvolari | without unity or gnome | 08:25 |
| nuvolari | halp? | 08:26 |
| superfly | nuvolari: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 08:28 |
| nuvolari | noo, not again | 08:34 |
| nuvolari | it took over last time :( | 08:34 |
| tumbleweed | nuvolari: how are you stuck witohut unity or gnome? | 08:42 |
| confluency | sudo apt-get install fluxbox | 08:54 |
| Symmetria | hrm | 09:03 |
| Symmetria | youtube traffic gonna get interesting in an hour | 09:03 |
| nuvolari | tumbleweed: I'm stuck at gdm | 09:26 |
| nuvolari | won't let me log in | 09:26 |
| nuvolari | but at least I'm now in a fallback gnome session :P | 09:27 |
| nuvolari | at last | 09:27 |
| Kilos | morning superfly and everyone else | 10:33 |
| Symmetria | gawd | 10:36 |
| Symmetria | this wedding is hurting | 10:37 |
| kodez | good day to all. those who had managed to install Natty, please discuss with us your experience so far | 10:49 |
| Morganvd | morning all | 10:55 |
| Morganvd | Maaz: coffee please | 10:55 |
| Maaz | Morganvd: There isn't a pot on | 10:55 |
| Morganvd | Maaz: coffee on then | 10:55 |
| Maaz | Morganvd: Huh? | 10:55 |
| Morganvd | Maaz: coffee on | 10:55 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 10:55 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Morganvd! | 10:59 |
| Morganvd | Maaz: thanks | 10:59 |
| Maaz | Morganvd: Okay :-) | 10:59 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee please | 11:03 |
| Maaz | Kilos: There isn't a pot on | 11:03 |
| Kilos | hi Morganvd | 11:03 |
| Kilos | aw | 11:04 |
| Kilos | too late | 11:04 |
| superfly | kodez: KDE 4.6 is stellar, as usual | 11:05 |
| superfly | Maaz: coffee on | 11:05 |
| * Maaz starts grinding coffee | 11:05 | |
| superfly | Kilos: ^^ quick, now's your chance | 11:05 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee please | 11:06 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Done | 11:06 |
| Kilos | ty superfly | 11:06 |
| Kilos | i just went back onto my old karmic and modem connected without usb-modeswitch | 11:07 |
| Kilos | but refuses by ian | 11:07 |
| nuvolari | hopefully I'll have my gnome working just now... | 11:09 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for superfly and Kilos! | 11:09 |
| Morganvd | haha | 11:10 |
| Morganvd | unity anyone? | 11:10 |
| Morganvd | i think superfly gonna have some new kubuntu friends soon | 11:10 |
| Morganvd | anyone here try natty with unity yet | 11:11 |
| Morganvd | i just upgraded this morning and installed gnome-shell | 11:11 |
| superfly | yeah, unity is OK | 11:11 |
| superfly | there are some things that annoyed me immediately | 11:11 |
| Morganvd | now im not sure whats better or worse | 11:11 |
| superfly | but otherwise it seems fairly usable | 11:11 |
| Morganvd | i dont like unity duel screen | 11:12 |
| Morganvd | its much faster than the betas where | 11:12 |
| superfly | *were | 11:12 |
| Morganvd | thanks superfly | 11:13 |
| Morganvd | but i wonder if the games will work better now | 11:13 |
| superfly | "where" without the w is "here" - think location | 11:13 |
| Morganvd | used to pick up both my screens and try stretch things over both | 11:13 |
| Morganvd | ah now this afrikaans boy knows something new | 11:14 |
| nuvolari | Morganvd: had unity, didn't like it. | 11:15 |
| Morganvd | gnome3 not much better | 11:15 |
| nuvolari | eh? Ek't nie geweet jy's afrikaans nie? | 11:16 |
| nuvolari | no no, there's major difference between unity and gnome3 | 11:16 |
| Morganvd | yip ek is afrikaans seun van bekker | 11:16 |
| nuvolari | it's all about navigation | 11:16 |
| Morganvd | i know but i dont like either | 11:17 |
| * nuvolari <3 GNOME3 | 11:17 | |
| nuvolari | well, if I can make it work on Ubuntu:P | 11:17 |
| Morganvd | i must say the upgrade did go well | 11:17 |
| Morganvd | nuvolari: i have it working on ubuntu | 11:17 |
| Morganvd | it was pretty easy | 11:18 |
| * superfly <3 KDE 4 | 11:18 | |
| Morganvd | gnome3 | 11:18 |
| superfly | it's the best thing since... since... KDE 3.5! | 11:18 |
| nuvolari | Morganvd: I still don't get what broke mine :/ | 11:18 |
| nuvolari | Morganvd: Did you do a fresh install? | 11:18 |
| Morganvd | no i upgraded from 10.10 | 11:18 |
| nuvolari | not fair. I got a low blow | 11:19 |
| Morganvd | even kept my launcher for weechat was realy happy as it never allowed me to make one before | 11:19 |
| Morganvd | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-common-gnome-3-issues-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty.html | 11:19 |
| Morganvd | nuvolari: i used that tut to use gnome3 | 11:19 |
| Morganvd | first time you login it moans abotu ubuntu something | 11:20 |
| Morganvd | you need to tell it to use gnome-shell | 11:20 |
| nuvolari | Morganvd: it still doesn't list my issue :P and nobody on the web seem to have had it | 11:21 |
| nuvolari | it's just that I could not log in at all | 11:21 |
| Morganvd | yes thats what mine did | 11:21 |
| Morganvd | you need to tell it to use gnome3 session | 11:22 |
| Morganvd | it shows you the login screen but then says cannot load ubuntu and wants you to relog | 11:22 |
| Morganvd | you need to go to desktop chooser and choose gnome-shell | 11:22 |
| nuvolari | I could stand on my head and try that, didn't work | 11:23 |
| Morganvd | realy weired had no issues except that one | 11:23 |
| nuvolari | ye :P was the worst upgrade troubleshoot ever | 11:24 |
| Morganvd | well im about to do a clean install from alt cd | 11:25 |
| Morganvd | want to use LVM | 11:25 |
| Morganvd | i was almost thinking of moving to Fedora | 11:25 |
| superfly | Morganvd: moving to a broken distro? that's pretty drastic | 11:26 |
| superfly | rather move to Kubuntu :-P | 11:26 |
| Morganvd | broken distro? | 11:26 |
| superfly | yeah, froztbyte can tell you a few horror stories about Fedora | 11:27 |
| Morganvd | i tried the f15 beta was realy fast and smooth | 11:28 |
| Morganvd | not a yum or rpm fan | 11:28 |
| Morganvd | i like ubuntu | 11:28 |
| superfly | rpm nothing, it's just a package format | 11:29 |
| Morganvd | but have to give credit they are really trying to become more n00b safe | 11:29 |
| superfly | apparently zypper is a good package management tool for rpm | 11:29 |
| superfly | I've used apt4rpm on SuSE in the past | 11:29 |
| Morganvd | it just easier getting things in ubuntu | 11:30 |
| Morganvd | anyone here play Lords of Ultima | 11:31 |
| superfly | nope | 11:32 |
| Blondi | Hello :) | 11:45 |
| Kilos | Hmmm | 11:47 |
| Kilos | unity is scaring me | 11:49 |
| Kilos | superfly, if possible can you add a kde cd as well | 11:50 |
| Kilos | please | 11:50 |
| Kilos | sorry forgot my manners there | 11:51 |
| Kilos | hehe england is a funny place | 12:05 |
| Kilos | men and women get called johannes | 12:05 |
| Kilos | Maaz, whats for lunch | 12:05 |
| Maaz | Hmm Kilos . Methinks Kentucky and coleslaw would go down well | 12:05 |
| Owkkuri | Kilos: the streetwise megadeal is lekker :P | 12:28 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:29 |
| Kilos | thats my cyberfood | 12:29 |
| Kilos | kentucky very kiff food | 12:29 |
| * nuvolari is happier | 12:52 | |
| nuvolari | but I have weird graphics... | 12:53 |
| nuvolari | https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ysxLWFahrl3ZIkLVN_D15w?feat=directlink | 12:56 |
| Morganvd | nuvolari: hows your gnome3 going | 14:08 |
| Morganvd | mine is not playing nice with ubuntu | 14:09 |
| Morganvd | cant get half the extentions to work right | 14:09 |
| superfly | Kilos: sure thing oom | 14:14 |
| superfly | Kilos: oom, do you still have my e-mail address? | 14:14 |
| Kilos | dont think so superfly | 14:15 |
| Kilos | lost lots | 14:15 |
| superfly | if you do, please just send me an e-mail with the address I should send the package to | 14:15 |
| nlsthzn | Can't believe my beta 2 of natty was working so much better than the final release :/ | 14:18 |
| nlsthzn | ... kubuntu 11.04 however is working beautifully at the moment... | 14:20 |
| Kilos | done superfly hiya nl | 14:21 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos: Hey uncle... hit the tab key and I will know your speaking to me :p | 14:25 |
| Kilos | aw sorry man nlsthzn | 14:25 |
| nlsthzn | :0 | 14:26 |
| nlsthzn | :) | 14:26 |
| Kilos | lol | 14:26 |
| Kilos | when i lood at the guys complain about unity it looks like i might go the kde route as well | 14:28 |
| Kilos | look | 14:28 |
| Kilos | but maybe it just works here. we will see | 14:29 |
| Kilos | only thing that stopped me going kde was i couldnt get the nm to work | 14:29 |
| nlsthzn | I am very impressed with Unity (when it works)... I suspect by 11.10 it will be really good | 14:30 |
| Kilos | maybe better with usb modem | 14:30 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos: the new nm is improved I read | 14:30 |
| Kilos | ah thats good | 14:30 |
| Kilos | the gnome one works great | 14:30 |
| nlsthzn | the one in openSUSE is terrible, but in kubuntu 11.04 it works really well | 14:30 |
| Kilos | i only use ubuntu. no space in head for more | 14:31 |
| nlsthzn | :) | 14:32 |
| Kilos | is there a big diffs tween gui and kde nlsthzn | 14:35 |
| nlsthzn | well... your question is wrong as gnome and kde are types of gui's :p | 14:35 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos: KDE is different | 14:35 |
| Kilos | you know what i mean | 14:35 |
| nlsthzn | closer to windows in many ways visually | 14:36 |
| nlsthzn | very pretty.... is a bit resource intensive in many ways | 14:36 |
| nlsthzn | ? | 14:37 |
| Kilos | nlsthzn, wb | 14:37 |
| nlsthzn | lol seems I left for a moment :p | 14:37 |
| nlsthzn | not sure how that happened | 14:37 |
| Kilos | quassel left | 14:37 |
| Kilos | hehe | 14:37 |
| nlsthzn | I had to put blur of on the desktop effects for it to work well on my laptop | 14:37 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos: even though KDE 4.6 is beautiful KDE 4.5.5 which comes with Kubuntu 10.04 works very well | 14:40 |
| Kilos | i will first see if i can work with unity i think but the fly sending me kde as well in case i have probs | 14:41 |
| Kilos | so who knows. maybe unity works for me | 14:42 |
| Kilos | but i really like gnome so far | 14:42 |
| Kilos | maybe cause i dunno better | 14:42 |
| Morganvd | Kilos: Unity is more gnome2 ish | 14:44 |
| Morganvd | it just has a doc bar on the left of the screen | 14:44 |
| Morganvd | oh and banshee is the new default media player | 14:44 |
| Morganvd | that sucks big time | 14:44 |
| Kilos | i always use vlc | 14:44 |
| Kilos | is the doc bar one of the panels? | 14:45 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos: yup... it is a cross from a dock like osx and the superbar from windows 7 | 14:47 |
| nlsthzn | will take some time to get used to it but it works... | 14:47 |
| Kilos | ok | 14:47 |
| Kilos | i like top and bottom panels but will try | 14:47 |
| nlsthzn | it is one of those things, once used to it, it becomes hard to not use it... | 14:48 |
| Kilos | yeah we are all creatures of habit i think | 14:49 |
| Kilos | just need to break that | 14:49 |
| Morganvd | there is no more bottom panel | 14:49 |
| Kilos | we even have a saying for it | 14:50 |
| Kilos | rather the devil you know | 14:50 |
| Morganvd | but there is a clasic version too kilos i would only worry when we hit 11.10 | 14:50 |
| Kilos | surely you can still add panels and remove as it suits you | 14:50 |
| Morganvd | as then clasic falls away comp | 14:50 |
| Morganvd | not in unity | 14:50 |
| Kilos | ah ty Morganvd | 14:51 |
| Kilos | if you dont take a chance you dont win the prise | 14:51 |
| Kilos | prize too | 14:51 |
| nuvolari | Morganvd: it's going great :> | 14:51 |
| nuvolari | back to using gdm | 14:52 |
| Kilos | every release has been better for me so far so we will see | 14:52 |
| nuvolari | had to fight with xdm to get gnome working :P | 14:52 |
| nlsthzn | I heard a saying once... went something like "A great warrior has no habits..." or some such | 14:54 |
| Morganvd | im finding it hard to nav between gnome3 | 15:02 |
| Morganvd | nuvolari: dis you pull from ppa or comile it yourslef | 15:02 |
| nuvolari | Morganvd: ppa | 15:03 |
| Morganvd | i want the gnome3 extentions | 15:03 |
| nuvolari | Morganvd: the navigation is the only reason for me to choose gnome3 over unity | 15:04 |
| Morganvd | but they bomb out i dont like converting rpms | 15:04 |
| Morganvd | http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/themeselector-gnome-shell-extension-to.html | 15:05 |
| * nlsthzn has tried Gnome 3 in openSUSE and can't say I like it... | 15:06 | |
| Morganvd | tried it on Fedora 15 and must say it was realy fast and working well | 15:09 |
| Kilos | hey guys. what dont you like about unity and gnome 3 for that matter | 15:09 |
| Kilos | is it only if you fiddle in them or doesnt the display work | 15:10 |
| nlsthzn | Morganvd: maybe it was because I am trying it on my netbook... but I found it didn't make sense... unity I got going and working faster in less than a day... gnome 3 still struggling... | 15:10 |
| Kilos | like the poor guy in the lists got a black screen | 15:10 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos: in unity I have had successful installs and a running PC since Alpha 3... | 15:11 |
| nlsthzn | using intel graphics on a laptop | 15:11 |
| Kilos | as long as i can see my desktop and vids i am happy | 15:12 |
| Kilos | my graphics card is also only 32m | 15:12 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos: if you want to keep as close as possible to gnome 2.x you might want to change to xfce | 15:12 |
| Kilos | it doesnt matter as long as i see a desktop and not a black screen | 15:13 |
| Kilos | they i get very scared | 15:13 |
| Kilos | hehe | 15:13 |
| nlsthzn | where there is a shell there is a way :p | 15:14 |
| Kilos | gnome was easy sudo gdm start | 15:14 |
| Kilos | will learn what to do with the others | 15:15 |
| Squirm | I still havent tried 11.04 yet | 15:16 |
| Squirm | downloaded Alpha 1 a while ago, never worked and didnt bother tryign to get it working | 15:16 |
| Squirm | trying* | 15:16 |
| nlsthzn | :0 | 15:17 |
| nlsthzn | I mean :) | 15:17 |
| Morganvd | Kilos: i would look at lubuntu or xubuntu they designed for lower spec machines | 15:17 |
| nuvolari | https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/59gvFhTPcGqPjDLDIix36g?feat=directlink :> | 15:17 |
| Kilos | will do | 15:18 |
| Morganvd | nice one | 15:18 |
| Morganvd | Kilos: xubuntu in more gnomeish | 15:19 |
| nlsthzn | doesn't seem reconq plays nice with Picasa | 15:19 |
| Morganvd | k im going to reinstall | 15:20 |
| Morganvd | want my lvm | 15:20 |
| Morganvd | wish ubuntu will add it to live disk | 15:20 |
| Morganvd | then i want to install a fps game and c if it still tries to use both screens for resolution | 15:21 |
| Morganvd | enjoy folks cya soon | 15:22 |
| nlsthzn | cheers | 15:23 |
| Kilos | cheers Morganvd | 15:23 |
| Kilos | enjoy | 15:23 |
| nuvolari | cheerz | 15:25 |
| Kilos | is there a way to tell karmic to see a usb modem as a modem not storage manually as there is no connection to download usb-modeswitch | 15:42 |
| Kilos | please | 15:42 |
| Kilos | or maybe script i can give to ian on his fone and he can enter it in cli | 15:43 |
| Kilos | oops | 15:44 |
| Kilos | Please | 15:44 |
| drubin | surely this isn't right http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/upgrade-to-ubuntu-11.04-natty .... do-release-upgrade? | 15:56 |
| drubin | tumbleweed: ^ and others? | 15:57 |
| nuvolari | drubin: ya, that's what they used in their previous article, dunno why it's dist-upgrade now | 15:58 |
| Tonberry | that does sound like a slightly suicidal way to get the new packages | 15:59 |
| drubin | pretty much. | 16:00 |
| cocooncrash | Eek, that's not the Right Way. | 16:02 |
| nuvolari | how can I disable notify-osd? | 16:16 |
| nuvolari | killing it doesn't work | 16:16 |
| tumbleweed | drubin: yeah, that's debian-style | 17:27 |
| tumbleweed | it works fine, but I think update-manager has some special magic to fix things up | 17:27 |
| drubin | tumbleweed: why wasn't do-release-upgrade not accepted upstream in debian? | 17:33 |
| tumbleweed | because it's not necessary? | 17:34 |
| tumbleweed | I think debian users are encouraged to read the release notes, which has full instructions | 17:34 |
| tumbleweed | looks like update-manager was forked for debian, around breezy | 17:38 |
| tumbleweed | don't know the history, ask mvo | 17:38 |
| Symmetria | http://pastebin.com/4m1b5t8r | 18:13 |
| Symmetria | heh mirror.ac.za seems pretty happy even with the mozilla load now on it again | 18:13 |
| Symmetria | heh | 18:59 |
| Symmetria | bang, mirror.ac.za is now one of the three largest mozilla mirror in the world, well, will be in 5 minutes | 18:59 |
| Kilos | great | 19:53 |
| nuvolari | :/ | 20:24 |
| nuvolari | had a real bad evening | 20:24 |
| nuvolari | usually a drive from work to where my parents stay this time is about 40min... | 20:26 |
| nuvolari | tonight was nearly 3 hours | 20:26 |
| Kilos | wow | 20:44 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight] | 22:23 |
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