[06:33] <nuvolari> meh. think I prefer gnome3's notifications
[06:33] <nuvolari> and the instant reply feature
[06:37] <nuvolari> mornings nlsthzn 
[06:37] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: Top of the morning to you :)
[06:56] <nuvolari> ok, hope nothing breaks
[06:56]  * nuvolari restarts for gnome3
[06:57] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: good luck with the shell... I still have it on my netbook at the moment... can't say I am a fan yet
[06:57] <inetpro> good morning
[07:01]  * nlsthzn waves
[07:02] <Blondi> HELLO xxx
[07:03] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: well. the test version on ubuntu 10.10 felt more natural
[07:03] <nuvolari> ok, brb
[07:32] <sakhi> moonin
[07:34] <superfly> morning everyone
[07:46] <sakhi> yo superfly 
[08:25] <nuvolari> ok. so I'm stuck
[08:25] <nuvolari> without unity or gnome
[08:26] <nuvolari> halp?
[08:28] <superfly> nuvolari: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:34] <nuvolari> noo, not again
[08:34] <nuvolari> it took over last time :(
[08:42] <tumbleweed> nuvolari: how are you stuck witohut unity or gnome?
[08:54] <confluency> sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[09:03] <Symmetria> hrm
[09:03] <Symmetria> youtube traffic gonna get interesting in an hour
[09:26] <nuvolari> tumbleweed: I'm stuck at gdm
[09:26] <nuvolari> won't let me log in
[09:27] <nuvolari> but at least I'm now in a fallback gnome session :P
[09:27] <nuvolari> at last
[10:33] <Kilos> morning superfly  and everyone else
[10:36] <Symmetria> gawd 
[10:37] <Symmetria> this wedding is hurting
[10:49] <kodez> good day to all. those who had managed to install Natty, please discuss with us your experience so far
[10:55] <Morganvd> morning all
[10:55] <Morganvd> Maaz: coffee please
[10:55] <Maaz> Morganvd: There isn't a pot on
[10:55] <Morganvd> Maaz: coffee on then
[10:55] <Maaz> Morganvd: Huh?
[10:55] <Morganvd> Maaz: coffee on
[10:55]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[10:59] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Morganvd!
[10:59] <Morganvd> Maaz: thanks
[10:59] <Maaz> Morganvd: Okay :-)
[11:03] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[11:03] <Maaz> Kilos: There isn't a pot on
[11:03] <Kilos> hi Morganvd 
[11:04] <Kilos> aw
[11:04] <Kilos> too late
[11:05] <superfly> kodez: KDE 4.6 is stellar, as usual
[11:05] <superfly> Maaz: coffee on
[11:05]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[11:05] <superfly> Kilos: ^^ quick, now's your chance
[11:06] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[11:06] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[11:06] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[11:07] <Kilos> i just went back onto my old karmic and modem connected without usb-modeswitch
[11:07] <Kilos> but refuses by ian
[11:09] <nuvolari> hopefully I'll have my gnome working just now...
[11:09] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for superfly and Kilos!
[11:10] <Morganvd> haha
[11:10] <Morganvd> unity anyone?
[11:10] <Morganvd> i think superfly gonna have some new kubuntu friends soon
[11:11] <Morganvd> anyone here try natty with unity yet
[11:11] <Morganvd> i just upgraded this morning and installed gnome-shell
[11:11] <superfly> yeah, unity is OK
[11:11] <superfly> there are some things that annoyed me immediately
[11:11] <Morganvd> now im not sure whats better or worse
[11:11] <superfly> but otherwise it seems fairly usable
[11:12] <Morganvd> i dont like unity duel screen 
[11:12] <Morganvd> its much faster than the betas where
[11:12] <superfly> *were
[11:13] <Morganvd> thanks superfly 
[11:13] <Morganvd> but i wonder if the games will work better now 
[11:13] <superfly> "where" without the w is "here" - think location
[11:13] <Morganvd> used to pick up both my screens and try stretch things over both
[11:14] <Morganvd> ah now this afrikaans boy knows something new
[11:15] <nuvolari> Morganvd: had unity, didn't like it.
[11:15] <Morganvd> gnome3 not much better
[11:16] <nuvolari> eh? Ek't nie geweet jy's afrikaans nie?
[11:16] <nuvolari> no no, there's major difference between unity and gnome3
[11:16] <Morganvd> yip ek is afrikaans seun van bekker
[11:16] <nuvolari> it's all about navigation
[11:17] <Morganvd> i know but i dont like either
[11:17]  * nuvolari <3 GNOME3
[11:17] <nuvolari> well, if I can make it work on Ubuntu:P
[11:17] <Morganvd> i must say the upgrade did go well
[11:17] <Morganvd> nuvolari: i have it working on ubuntu
[11:18] <Morganvd> it was pretty easy
[11:18]  * superfly <3 KDE 4
[11:18] <Morganvd> gnome3
[11:18] <superfly> it's the best thing since... since... KDE 3.5!
[11:18] <nuvolari> Morganvd: I still don't get what broke mine :/
[11:18] <nuvolari> Morganvd: Did you do a fresh install?
[11:18] <Morganvd> no i upgraded from 10.10
[11:19] <nuvolari> not fair. I got a low blow
[11:19] <Morganvd> even kept my launcher for weechat was realy happy as it never allowed me to make one before
[11:19] <Morganvd> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-common-gnome-3-issues-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty.html
[11:19] <Morganvd> nuvolari: i used that tut to use gnome3
[11:20] <Morganvd> first time you login it moans abotu ubuntu something
[11:20] <Morganvd> you need to tell it to use gnome-shell
[11:21] <nuvolari> Morganvd: it still doesn't list my issue :P and nobody on the web seem to have had it
[11:21] <nuvolari> it's just that I could not log in at all
[11:21] <Morganvd> yes thats what mine did 
[11:22] <Morganvd> you need to tell it to use gnome3 session
[11:22] <Morganvd> it shows you the login screen but then says cannot load ubuntu and wants you to relog
[11:22] <Morganvd> you need to go to desktop chooser and choose gnome-shell
[11:23] <nuvolari> I could stand on my head and try that, didn't work
[11:23] <Morganvd> realy weired had no issues except that one
[11:24] <nuvolari> ye :P was the worst upgrade troubleshoot ever
[11:25] <Morganvd> well im about to do a clean install from alt cd
[11:25] <Morganvd> want to use LVM
[11:25] <Morganvd> i was almost thinking of moving to Fedora
[11:26] <superfly> Morganvd: moving to a broken distro? that's pretty drastic
[11:26] <superfly> rather move to Kubuntu :-P
[11:26] <Morganvd> broken distro?
[11:27] <superfly> yeah, froztbyte can tell you a few horror stories about Fedora
[11:28] <Morganvd> i tried the f15 beta was realy fast and smooth
[11:28] <Morganvd> not a yum or rpm fan
[11:28] <Morganvd> i like ubuntu 
[11:29] <superfly> rpm nothing, it's just a package format
[11:29] <Morganvd> but have to give credit they are really trying to become more n00b safe
[11:29] <superfly> apparently zypper is a good package management tool for rpm
[11:29] <superfly> I've used apt4rpm on SuSE in the past
[11:30] <Morganvd> it just easier getting things in ubuntu
[11:31] <Morganvd> anyone here play Lords of Ultima
[11:32] <superfly> nope
[11:45] <Blondi> Hello :)
[11:47] <Kilos> Hmmm
[11:49] <Kilos> unity is scaring me
[11:50] <Kilos> superfly, if possible can you add a kde cd as well
[11:50] <Kilos> please
[11:51] <Kilos> sorry forgot my manners there
[12:05] <Kilos> hehe england is a funny place
[12:05] <Kilos> men and women get called johannes
[12:05] <Kilos> Maaz, whats for lunch
[12:05] <Maaz> Hmm Kilos . Methinks Kentucky and coleslaw would go down well
[12:28] <Owkkuri> Kilos: the streetwise megadeal is lekker :P
[12:29] <Kilos> lol
[12:29] <Kilos> thats my cyberfood
[12:29] <Kilos> kentucky very kiff food
[12:52]  * nuvolari is happier
[12:53] <nuvolari> but I have weird graphics...
[12:56] <nuvolari> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ysxLWFahrl3ZIkLVN_D15w?feat=directlink
[14:08] <Morganvd> nuvolari: hows your gnome3 going
[14:09] <Morganvd> mine is not playing nice with ubuntu
[14:09] <Morganvd> cant get half the extentions to work right
[14:14] <superfly> Kilos: sure thing oom
[14:14] <superfly> Kilos: oom, do you still have my e-mail address?
[14:15] <Kilos> dont think so superfly 
[14:15] <Kilos> lost lots
[14:15] <superfly> if you do, please just send me an e-mail with the address I should send the package to
[14:18] <nlsthzn> Can't believe my beta 2 of natty was working so much better than the final release :/
[14:20] <nlsthzn> ... kubuntu 11.04 however is working beautifully at the moment...
[14:21] <Kilos> done superfly  hiya nl
[14:25] <nlsthzn> Kilos: Hey uncle... hit the tab key and I will know your speaking to me :p
[14:25] <Kilos> aw sorry man nlsthzn 
[14:26] <nlsthzn> :0
[14:26] <nlsthzn> :)
[14:26] <Kilos> lol
[14:28] <Kilos> when i lood at the guys complain about unity it looks like i might go the kde route as well
[14:28] <Kilos> look
[14:29] <Kilos> but maybe it just works here. we will see
[14:29] <Kilos> only thing that stopped me going kde was i couldnt get the nm to work
[14:30] <nlsthzn> I am very impressed with Unity (when it works)... I suspect by 11.10 it will be really good
[14:30] <Kilos> maybe better with usb modem
[14:30] <nlsthzn> Kilos: the new nm is improved I read
[14:30] <Kilos> ah thats good
[14:30] <Kilos> the gnome one works great
[14:30] <nlsthzn> the one in openSUSE is terrible, but in kubuntu 11.04 it works really well
[14:31] <Kilos> i only use ubuntu. no space in head for more
[14:32] <nlsthzn> :)
[14:35] <Kilos> is there a big diffs tween gui and kde nlsthzn 
[14:35] <nlsthzn> well... your question is wrong as gnome and kde are types of gui's :p
[14:35] <nlsthzn> Kilos: KDE is different
[14:35] <Kilos> you know what i mean
[14:36] <nlsthzn> closer to windows in many ways visually
[14:36] <nlsthzn> very pretty.... is a bit resource intensive in many ways
[14:37] <nlsthzn> ?
[14:37] <Kilos> nlsthzn, wb
[14:37] <nlsthzn> lol seems I left for a moment :p
[14:37] <nlsthzn> not sure how that happened
[14:37] <Kilos> quassel left
[14:37] <Kilos> hehe
[14:37] <nlsthzn> I had to put blur of on the desktop effects for it to work well on my laptop
[14:40] <nlsthzn> Kilos: even though KDE 4.6 is beautiful KDE 4.5.5 which comes with Kubuntu 10.04 works very well
[14:41] <Kilos> i will first see if i can work with unity i think but the fly sending me kde as well in case i have probs
[14:42] <Kilos> so who knows. maybe unity works for me
[14:42] <Kilos> but i really like gnome so far
[14:42] <Kilos> maybe cause i dunno better
[14:44] <Morganvd> Kilos: Unity is more gnome2 ish
[14:44] <Morganvd> it just has a doc bar on the left of the screen
[14:44] <Morganvd> oh and banshee is the new default media player
[14:44] <Morganvd> that sucks big time 
[14:44] <Kilos> i always use vlc
[14:45] <Kilos> is the doc bar one of the panels?
[14:47] <nlsthzn> Kilos: yup... it is a cross from a dock like osx and the superbar from windows 7
[14:47] <nlsthzn> will take some time to get used to it but it works... 
[14:47] <Kilos> ok
[14:47] <Kilos> i like top and bottom panels but will try
[14:48] <nlsthzn> it is one of those things, once used to it, it becomes hard to not use it...
[14:49] <Kilos> yeah we are all creatures of habit i think
[14:49] <Kilos> just need to break that
[14:49] <Morganvd> there is no more bottom panel
[14:50] <Kilos> we even have a saying for it
[14:50] <Kilos> rather the devil you know
[14:50] <Morganvd> but there is a clasic version too kilos i would only worry when we hit 11.10
[14:50] <Kilos> surely you can still add panels and remove as it suits you
[14:50] <Morganvd> as then clasic falls away comp
[14:50] <Morganvd> not in unity
[14:51] <Kilos> ah ty Morganvd 
[14:51] <Kilos> if you dont take a chance you dont win the prise
[14:51] <Kilos> prize too
[14:51] <nuvolari> Morganvd: it's going great :>
[14:52] <nuvolari> back to using gdm
[14:52] <Kilos> every release has been better for me so far so we will see
[14:52] <nuvolari> had to fight with xdm to get gnome working :P
[14:54] <nlsthzn> I heard a saying once... went something like "A great warrior has no habits..." or some such
[15:02] <Morganvd> im finding it hard to nav between gnome3
[15:02] <Morganvd> nuvolari: dis you pull from ppa or comile it yourslef
[15:03] <nuvolari> Morganvd: ppa
[15:03] <Morganvd> i want the gnome3 extentions 
[15:04] <nuvolari> Morganvd: the navigation is the only reason for me to choose gnome3 over unity
[15:04] <Morganvd> but they bomb out i dont like converting rpms
[15:05] <Morganvd> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/themeselector-gnome-shell-extension-to.html
[15:06]  * nlsthzn has tried Gnome 3 in openSUSE and can't say I like it... 
[15:09] <Morganvd> tried it on Fedora 15 and must say it was realy fast and working well
[15:09] <Kilos> hey guys. what dont you like about unity and gnome 3 for that matter
[15:10] <Kilos> is it only if you fiddle in them or doesnt the display work
[15:10] <nlsthzn> Morganvd: maybe it was because I am trying it on my netbook... but I found it didn't make sense... unity I got going and working faster in less than a day... gnome 3 still struggling...
[15:10] <Kilos> like the poor guy in the lists got a black screen
[15:11] <nlsthzn> Kilos: in unity I have had successful installs and a running PC since Alpha 3...
[15:11] <nlsthzn> using intel graphics on a laptop
[15:12] <Kilos> as long as i can see my desktop and vids i am happy
[15:12] <Kilos> my graphics card is also only 32m
[15:12] <nlsthzn> Kilos: if you want to keep as close as possible to gnome 2.x you might want to change to xfce
[15:13] <Kilos> it doesnt matter as long as i see a desktop and not a black screen
[15:13] <Kilos> they i get very scared
[15:13] <Kilos> hehe
[15:14] <nlsthzn> where there is a shell there is a way :p
[15:14] <Kilos> gnome was easy sudo gdm start
[15:15] <Kilos> will learn what to do with the others
[15:16] <Squirm> I still havent tried 11.04 yet
[15:16] <Squirm> downloaded Alpha 1 a while ago, never worked and didnt bother tryign to get it working
[15:16] <Squirm> trying*
[15:17] <nlsthzn> :0
[15:17] <nlsthzn> I mean :)
[15:17] <Morganvd> Kilos: i would look at lubuntu or xubuntu they designed for lower spec machines
[15:17] <nuvolari> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/59gvFhTPcGqPjDLDIix36g?feat=directlink :>
[15:18] <Kilos> will do
[15:18] <Morganvd> nice one
[15:19] <Morganvd> Kilos: xubuntu in more gnomeish
[15:19] <nlsthzn> doesn't seem reconq plays nice with Picasa
[15:20] <Morganvd> k im going to reinstall 
[15:20] <Morganvd> want my lvm 
[15:20] <Morganvd> wish ubuntu will add it to live disk
[15:21] <Morganvd> then i want to install a fps game and c if it still tries to use both screens for resolution
[15:22] <Morganvd> enjoy folks cya soon
[15:23] <nlsthzn> cheers
[15:23] <Kilos> cheers Morganvd 
[15:23] <Kilos> enjoy
[15:25] <nuvolari> cheerz
[15:42] <Kilos> is there a way to tell karmic to see a usb modem as a modem not storage manually as there is no connection to download usb-modeswitch
[15:42] <Kilos> please
[15:43] <Kilos> or maybe script i can give to ian on his fone and he can enter it in cli
[15:44] <Kilos> oops
[15:44] <Kilos> Please
[15:56] <drubin> surely this isn't right http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/upgrade-to-ubuntu-11.04-natty .... do-release-upgrade? 
[15:57] <drubin> tumbleweed: ^ and others?
[15:58] <nuvolari> drubin: ya, that's what they used in their previous article, dunno why it's dist-upgrade now
[15:59] <Tonberry> that does sound like a slightly suicidal way to get the new packages
[16:00] <drubin> pretty much.
[16:02] <cocooncrash> Eek, that's not the Right Way.
[16:16] <nuvolari> how can I disable notify-osd?
[16:16] <nuvolari> killing it doesn't work
[17:27] <tumbleweed> drubin: yeah, that's debian-style
[17:27] <tumbleweed> it works fine, but I think update-manager has some special magic to fix things up
[17:33] <drubin> tumbleweed: why wasn't do-release-upgrade not accepted upstream in debian?
[17:34] <tumbleweed> because it's not necessary?
[17:34] <tumbleweed> I think debian users are encouraged to read the release notes, which has full instructions
[17:38] <tumbleweed> looks like update-manager was forked for debian, around breezy
[17:38] <tumbleweed> don't know the history, ask mvo
[18:13] <Symmetria> http://pastebin.com/4m1b5t8r
[18:13] <Symmetria> heh mirror.ac.za seems pretty happy even with the mozilla load now on it again
[18:59] <Symmetria> heh
[18:59] <Symmetria> bang, mirror.ac.za is now one of the three largest mozilla mirror in the world, well, will be in 5 minutes 
[19:53] <Kilos> great
[20:24] <nuvolari> :/
[20:24] <nuvolari> had a real bad evening
[20:26] <nuvolari> usually a drive from work to where my parents stay this time is about 40min...
[20:26] <nuvolari> tonight was nearly 3 hours
[20:44] <Kilos> wow
[22:23] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight]