[06:33] meh. think I prefer gnome3's notifications [06:33] and the instant reply feature [06:37] mornings nlsthzn [06:37] nuvolari: Top of the morning to you :) [06:56] ok, hope nothing breaks [06:56] * nuvolari restarts for gnome3 [06:57] nuvolari: good luck with the shell... I still have it on my netbook at the moment... can't say I am a fan yet [06:57] good morning [07:01] * nlsthzn waves [07:02] HELLO xxx [07:03] nlsthzn: well. the test version on ubuntu 10.10 felt more natural [07:03] ok, brb [07:32] moonin [07:34] morning everyone [07:46] yo superfly [08:25] ok. so I'm stuck [08:25] without unity or gnome [08:26] halp? [08:28] nuvolari: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [08:34] noo, not again [08:34] it took over last time :( [08:42] nuvolari: how are you stuck witohut unity or gnome? [08:54] sudo apt-get install fluxbox [09:03] hrm [09:03] youtube traffic gonna get interesting in an hour [09:26] tumbleweed: I'm stuck at gdm [09:26] won't let me log in [09:27] but at least I'm now in a fallback gnome session :P [09:27] at last [10:33] morning superfly and everyone else [10:36] gawd [10:37] this wedding is hurting [10:49] good day to all. those who had managed to install Natty, please discuss with us your experience so far [10:55] morning all [10:55] Maaz: coffee please [10:55] Morganvd: There isn't a pot on [10:55] Maaz: coffee on then [10:55] Morganvd: Huh? [10:55] Maaz: coffee on [10:55] * Maaz washes some mugs [10:59] Coffee's ready for Morganvd! [10:59] Maaz: thanks [10:59] Morganvd: Okay :-) [11:03] Maaz, coffee please [11:03] Kilos: There isn't a pot on [11:03] hi Morganvd [11:04] aw [11:04] too late [11:05] kodez: KDE 4.6 is stellar, as usual [11:05] Maaz: coffee on [11:05] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [11:05] Kilos: ^^ quick, now's your chance [11:06] Maaz, coffee please [11:06] Kilos: Done [11:06] ty superfly [11:07] i just went back onto my old karmic and modem connected without usb-modeswitch [11:07] but refuses by ian [11:09] hopefully I'll have my gnome working just now... [11:09] Coffee's ready for superfly and Kilos! [11:10] haha [11:10] unity anyone? [11:10] i think superfly gonna have some new kubuntu friends soon [11:11] anyone here try natty with unity yet [11:11] i just upgraded this morning and installed gnome-shell [11:11] yeah, unity is OK [11:11] there are some things that annoyed me immediately [11:11] now im not sure whats better or worse [11:11] but otherwise it seems fairly usable [11:12] i dont like unity duel screen [11:12] its much faster than the betas where [11:12] *were [11:13] thanks superfly [11:13] but i wonder if the games will work better now [11:13] "where" without the w is "here" - think location [11:13] used to pick up both my screens and try stretch things over both [11:14] ah now this afrikaans boy knows something new [11:15] Morganvd: had unity, didn't like it. [11:15] gnome3 not much better [11:16] eh? Ek't nie geweet jy's afrikaans nie? [11:16] no no, there's major difference between unity and gnome3 [11:16] yip ek is afrikaans seun van bekker [11:16] it's all about navigation [11:17] i know but i dont like either [11:17] * nuvolari <3 GNOME3 [11:17] well, if I can make it work on Ubuntu:P [11:17] i must say the upgrade did go well [11:17] nuvolari: i have it working on ubuntu [11:18] it was pretty easy [11:18] * superfly <3 KDE 4 [11:18] gnome3 [11:18] it's the best thing since... since... KDE 3.5! [11:18] Morganvd: I still don't get what broke mine :/ [11:18] Morganvd: Did you do a fresh install? [11:18] no i upgraded from 10.10 [11:19] not fair. I got a low blow [11:19] even kept my launcher for weechat was realy happy as it never allowed me to make one before [11:19] http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-common-gnome-3-issues-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty.html [11:19] nuvolari: i used that tut to use gnome3 [11:20] first time you login it moans abotu ubuntu something [11:20] you need to tell it to use gnome-shell [11:21] Morganvd: it still doesn't list my issue :P and nobody on the web seem to have had it [11:21] it's just that I could not log in at all [11:21] yes thats what mine did [11:22] you need to tell it to use gnome3 session [11:22] it shows you the login screen but then says cannot load ubuntu and wants you to relog [11:22] you need to go to desktop chooser and choose gnome-shell [11:23] I could stand on my head and try that, didn't work [11:23] realy weired had no issues except that one [11:24] ye :P was the worst upgrade troubleshoot ever [11:25] well im about to do a clean install from alt cd [11:25] want to use LVM [11:25] i was almost thinking of moving to Fedora [11:26] Morganvd: moving to a broken distro? that's pretty drastic [11:26] rather move to Kubuntu :-P [11:26] broken distro? [11:27] yeah, froztbyte can tell you a few horror stories about Fedora [11:28] i tried the f15 beta was realy fast and smooth [11:28] not a yum or rpm fan [11:28] i like ubuntu [11:29] rpm nothing, it's just a package format [11:29] but have to give credit they are really trying to become more n00b safe [11:29] apparently zypper is a good package management tool for rpm [11:29] I've used apt4rpm on SuSE in the past [11:30] it just easier getting things in ubuntu [11:31] anyone here play Lords of Ultima [11:32] nope [11:45] Hello :) [11:47] Hmmm [11:49] unity is scaring me [11:50] superfly, if possible can you add a kde cd as well [11:50] please [11:51] sorry forgot my manners there [12:05] hehe england is a funny place [12:05] men and women get called johannes [12:05] Maaz, whats for lunch [12:05] Hmm Kilos . Methinks Kentucky and coleslaw would go down well [12:28] Kilos: the streetwise megadeal is lekker :P [12:29] lol [12:29] thats my cyberfood [12:29] kentucky very kiff food [12:52] * nuvolari is happier [12:53] but I have weird graphics... [12:56] https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ysxLWFahrl3ZIkLVN_D15w?feat=directlink [14:08] nuvolari: hows your gnome3 going [14:09] mine is not playing nice with ubuntu [14:09] cant get half the extentions to work right [14:14] Kilos: sure thing oom [14:14] Kilos: oom, do you still have my e-mail address? [14:15] dont think so superfly [14:15] lost lots [14:15] if you do, please just send me an e-mail with the address I should send the package to [14:18] Can't believe my beta 2 of natty was working so much better than the final release :/ [14:20] ... kubuntu 11.04 however is working beautifully at the moment... [14:21] done superfly hiya nl [14:25] Kilos: Hey uncle... hit the tab key and I will know your speaking to me :p [14:25] aw sorry man nlsthzn [14:26] :0 [14:26] :) [14:26] lol [14:28] when i lood at the guys complain about unity it looks like i might go the kde route as well [14:28] look [14:29] but maybe it just works here. we will see [14:29] only thing that stopped me going kde was i couldnt get the nm to work [14:30] I am very impressed with Unity (when it works)... I suspect by 11.10 it will be really good [14:30] maybe better with usb modem [14:30] Kilos: the new nm is improved I read [14:30] ah thats good [14:30] the gnome one works great [14:30] the one in openSUSE is terrible, but in kubuntu 11.04 it works really well [14:31] i only use ubuntu. no space in head for more [14:32] :) [14:35] is there a big diffs tween gui and kde nlsthzn [14:35] well... your question is wrong as gnome and kde are types of gui's :p [14:35] Kilos: KDE is different [14:35] you know what i mean [14:36] closer to windows in many ways visually [14:36] very pretty.... is a bit resource intensive in many ways [14:37] ? [14:37] nlsthzn, wb [14:37] lol seems I left for a moment :p [14:37] not sure how that happened [14:37] quassel left [14:37] hehe [14:37] I had to put blur of on the desktop effects for it to work well on my laptop [14:40] Kilos: even though KDE 4.6 is beautiful KDE 4.5.5 which comes with Kubuntu 10.04 works very well [14:41] i will first see if i can work with unity i think but the fly sending me kde as well in case i have probs [14:42] so who knows. maybe unity works for me [14:42] but i really like gnome so far [14:42] maybe cause i dunno better [14:44] Kilos: Unity is more gnome2 ish [14:44] it just has a doc bar on the left of the screen [14:44] oh and banshee is the new default media player [14:44] that sucks big time [14:44] i always use vlc [14:45] is the doc bar one of the panels? [14:47] Kilos: yup... it is a cross from a dock like osx and the superbar from windows 7 [14:47] will take some time to get used to it but it works... [14:47] ok [14:47] i like top and bottom panels but will try [14:48] it is one of those things, once used to it, it becomes hard to not use it... [14:49] yeah we are all creatures of habit i think [14:49] just need to break that [14:49] there is no more bottom panel [14:50] we even have a saying for it [14:50] rather the devil you know [14:50] but there is a clasic version too kilos i would only worry when we hit 11.10 [14:50] surely you can still add panels and remove as it suits you [14:50] as then clasic falls away comp [14:50] not in unity [14:51] ah ty Morganvd [14:51] if you dont take a chance you dont win the prise [14:51] prize too [14:51] Morganvd: it's going great :> [14:52] back to using gdm [14:52] every release has been better for me so far so we will see [14:52] had to fight with xdm to get gnome working :P [14:54] I heard a saying once... went something like "A great warrior has no habits..." or some such [15:02] im finding it hard to nav between gnome3 [15:02] nuvolari: dis you pull from ppa or comile it yourslef [15:03] Morganvd: ppa [15:03] i want the gnome3 extentions [15:04] Morganvd: the navigation is the only reason for me to choose gnome3 over unity [15:04] but they bomb out i dont like converting rpms [15:05] http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/themeselector-gnome-shell-extension-to.html [15:06] * nlsthzn has tried Gnome 3 in openSUSE and can't say I like it... [15:09] tried it on Fedora 15 and must say it was realy fast and working well [15:09] hey guys. what dont you like about unity and gnome 3 for that matter [15:10] is it only if you fiddle in them or doesnt the display work [15:10] Morganvd: maybe it was because I am trying it on my netbook... but I found it didn't make sense... unity I got going and working faster in less than a day... gnome 3 still struggling... [15:10] like the poor guy in the lists got a black screen [15:11] Kilos: in unity I have had successful installs and a running PC since Alpha 3... [15:11] using intel graphics on a laptop [15:12] as long as i can see my desktop and vids i am happy [15:12] my graphics card is also only 32m [15:12] Kilos: if you want to keep as close as possible to gnome 2.x you might want to change to xfce [15:13] it doesnt matter as long as i see a desktop and not a black screen [15:13] they i get very scared [15:13] hehe [15:14] where there is a shell there is a way :p [15:14] gnome was easy sudo gdm start [15:15] will learn what to do with the others [15:16] I still havent tried 11.04 yet [15:16] downloaded Alpha 1 a while ago, never worked and didnt bother tryign to get it working [15:16] trying* [15:17] :0 [15:17] I mean :) [15:17] Kilos: i would look at lubuntu or xubuntu they designed for lower spec machines [15:17] https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/59gvFhTPcGqPjDLDIix36g?feat=directlink :> [15:18] will do [15:18] nice one [15:19] Kilos: xubuntu in more gnomeish [15:19] doesn't seem reconq plays nice with Picasa [15:20] k im going to reinstall [15:20] want my lvm [15:20] wish ubuntu will add it to live disk [15:21] then i want to install a fps game and c if it still tries to use both screens for resolution [15:22] enjoy folks cya soon [15:23] cheers [15:23] cheers Morganvd [15:23] enjoy [15:25] cheerz [15:42] is there a way to tell karmic to see a usb modem as a modem not storage manually as there is no connection to download usb-modeswitch [15:42] please [15:43] or maybe script i can give to ian on his fone and he can enter it in cli [15:44] oops [15:44] Please [15:56] surely this isn't right http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/upgrade-to-ubuntu-11.04-natty .... do-release-upgrade? [15:57] tumbleweed: ^ and others? [15:58] drubin: ya, that's what they used in their previous article, dunno why it's dist-upgrade now [15:59] that does sound like a slightly suicidal way to get the new packages [16:00] pretty much. [16:02] Eek, that's not the Right Way. [16:16] how can I disable notify-osd? [16:16] killing it doesn't work [17:27] drubin: yeah, that's debian-style [17:27] it works fine, but I think update-manager has some special magic to fix things up [17:33] tumbleweed: why wasn't do-release-upgrade not accepted upstream in debian? [17:34] because it's not necessary? [17:34] I think debian users are encouraged to read the release notes, which has full instructions [17:38] looks like update-manager was forked for debian, around breezy [17:38] don't know the history, ask mvo [18:13] http://pastebin.com/4m1b5t8r [18:13] heh mirror.ac.za seems pretty happy even with the mozilla load now on it again [18:59] heh [18:59] bang, mirror.ac.za is now one of the three largest mozilla mirror in the world, well, will be in 5 minutes [19:53] great [20:24] :/ [20:24] had a real bad evening [20:26] usually a drive from work to where my parents stay this time is about 40min... [20:26] tonight was nearly 3 hours [20:44] wow [22:23] night all. sleep tight]