[02:05] <holstein> jussi: you mind to update the topic, when you get a minute :)
[02:05] <holstein> the the other channel *
[05:17] <holstein> strange bird*
[07:26]  * abogani waves all
[07:26] <abogani> ailo: ping
[07:30] <ailo> abogani, pong
[07:31] <abogani> ailo: May I remove the 39-lowlatency kernel?
[07:34] <ailo> abogani, On my behalf, yes. 
[07:35] <abogani> ailo: Ok thanks!
[07:35] <ailo> abogani, I believe there are other testers building their own anyway
[07:36] <ailo> And I was never able to get anyone suffering from irq share to test it, so..
[07:43] <abogani> ailo: Both are good reasons to delete it.
[15:13] <holstein> ailo: you have any ideas about how to fake IRQ problems?
[15:13] <holstein> i have a laptop
[15:13] <holstein> ha*
[15:13] <holstein> had*
[15:13] <holstein> it had the firewire port shared with a few USB ports
[15:13] <ailo> holstein, Good point. I never thought of that. Maybe it's possible to do with pci cards at least
[15:13] <holstein> but, i havent been able to make it boot 
[15:14] <holstein> i think its totally dead
[15:14] <ailo> holstein, I believe abogani already removed the 39 kernel
[15:16] <ailo> holstein, But, if you have time, you could do some comparison testing between -generic and -lowlatency
[15:16] <holstein> ailo: yeah
[15:16] <ailo> holstein, Preferably 2.6.38-8
[15:16] <holstein> i'll make time for that*
[15:16] <holstein> im stoked to be zeroing in on whatever we are going to do for 12.04 :)
[15:17] <ailo> holstein, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/generic_vs_lowlatency_test_results
[18:44] <astraljava> ailo: That's interesting! How did you execute the test?
[18:45] <ailo> astraljava, Not very scientific https://wiki.ubuntu.com/generic_vs_lowlatency_testing
[18:46] <ailo> astraljava, Just running a simple ardour session while loading the CPU to max compressing a file and opening a graphic program
[18:47] <ailo> I would need to test more to confirm my results
[18:47] <ailo> Would be interesting to see more machines and sound devices
[19:12] <astraljava> ailo: Okay, thanks for that. I'll see if I can participate at some point.
[19:13] <astraljava> I thought I saw abogani talking about an automated test at some point, but I guess it hasn't realized yet.
[19:14] <ailo> astraljava, There's been talk about making a script to automate the test. I have used a puredata patch to stress the CPU, but the effect is the same as doing that manually by compressing a file and opening programs
[19:15] <ailo> A script could be handy. One could leave the computer for some hours to do the test.
[19:16] <ailo> astraljava, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/generic_vs_lowlatency_test_script
[19:17] <ailo> A guy with nick meganerd was interested in creating the script, but hasn't been around for a while
[19:18] <ailo> astraljava, I guess the biggest problem is getting people to participate in testing. A script could perhaps make that easier. 
[19:26] <astraljava> ailo: Honestly, it would, and also it would make the test process more coherent and reliable.
[19:28] <ailo> astraljava, Here are some older tests
[19:29] <ailo> astraljava, As you can see, -generic was giving very different results at different times, using the same kernel 2.6.38-1
[19:29] <ailo> astraljava, something else than the kernel was causing a different performance for the -generic 2.6.38-1 kernel between updates
[19:30] <ailo> astraljava, To do reliable testing, I suppose we would need to do periodic testing over a lenghty period of time.
[19:31] <astraljava> ailo: That's what I'm thinking, and that's where the automation comes in handy. No human can do such with needed reliability and resilience.
[19:32] <ailo> astraljava, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime
[19:32] <ailo> Sorry, I missed I hadn't pasted the link
[19:33] <astraljava> ailo: Nevermind, I know that page too well. I was gonna say it's time to put my scripting skills under rehearsing, but then I've caved in to pressure from the outside so many times before, I feel it's not fair to the project to make any promises anymore.
[19:34] <ailo> Might be a good idea to test Natty and Oneiric both for 1/2
[19:34] <ailo> 1/2 year
[19:34] <ailo> astraljava, I would do it, but I'm not able right now
[19:34] <ailo> astraljava, In one or two months, mayve
[19:34] <ailo> maybe*
[19:36] <astraljava> Well, you seem to have ideas, so I hope you can at least be a part of the designing process at the start of this coming devel cycle.
[19:38] <ailo> astraljava, I'm writing a new version for ubuntustudio-controls, which I don't know whether it will be needed. I'll want to look at what falktx has done and see how that could be used in US. I will also work on documentation with ScottL, which is a big project as well
[19:40] <ailo> Right now I'm coding puredata patches for my band. We have some gigs coming up this summer
[19:43] <astraljava> ailo: Awesome! Wish I was doing stuff with music as well. Well, gonna try over the summer, but let's see how it goes.
[19:44] <ailo> astraljava, For me, what seems like a heart issue, is making sure anyone installing Ubuntu can make it audio friendly as easily as possible. Many posts on forums are about setting up the system for audio, and getting audio devices to work. I would like to remove some of those obstacles.
[19:45] <ailo> falktx has done some really nice work on some things on KXStudio, that I think deserve some attentions as well
[19:47] <ailo> astraljava, Have you seen this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows
[19:48] <ailo> astraljava, ScottL has been working on some things to try make things easier for new users
[19:48] <scott-work> ailo: i whole heartedly agree with falkx doing good work and needing some more attention
[19:51] <astraljava> ailo: Yes I've seen that. And I agree with ya, audio is close to my heart as well, I find few things in life more precious than music. Also falktx, and many people involved with this project are doing a spectacular work.
[19:54] <ailo> I suppose most of the plans are covered here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning
[19:55] <astraljava> Good to remind me about that, haven't taken a look at that in ages.
[20:10] <scott-work> ailo: didn't you have a link at one time for the screen shot of edubuntu where it let the user choose applications to install?
[20:11] <scott-work> ailo: nevermind, found it :)
[20:11] <scott-work> http://www.edubuntu.com/sites/default/files/docimages/035-edubuntu-options-natty.png
[20:20] <ailo> scott-work, I haven't seen that before...
[20:21] <scott-work> maybe it was cory then
[20:21] <scott-work> i had seen it on planet ubuntu