[00:02] I'm thick, still don't get it ... I'll read the help guide in the morning when my head's clearer :-) [00:04] It is an easy to grab window resizer [00:04] sometimes you want to make a window a bit bigger on screen? [00:07] Yes, I use the -/+ buttons or drag the edge of the window with my mouse ... I can't see what this thing does (@)^(@) [00:08] (I do spend all my day in front of XP with occasional look at a terminal sesson on a Linux box) [00:11] Well I got everything working. But now I need settings for a my trackpad [00:11] Otherwise I won't be able to use this [00:11] it's way too sensitive [00:13] Anyone? [00:17] xubuntu.org dont work ? [00:17] ok now is [00:19] bin_bash: you're gonna have to configure synaptics most likely [00:19] yeah [00:19] !synaptics [00:19] For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad [00:20] why still dont have 11.04 xubuntu ;) [00:20] tomasz: huh? [00:20] on page [00:20] tomasz: cuz the page isn't updated yet [00:20] i got something else [00:20] i'm not sure if the live cd's are even out yet to be truthfl [00:20] what is link to 11.04 ? [00:20] tomasz: The site isn't back up yet (they are changing it) [00:21] tomasz: topic [00:21] bin_bash: what did you come up w/? [00:21] ooh ok yhx [00:21] thx [00:21] i nevet look on topic in XChat [00:21] i found something called gpointing something [00:21] but its gnome only [00:22] hmm [00:22] i no gynope has a touchpad "tab" under mouse.. but it doesn't look like xfce has that [00:23] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/ has both desktop and alternate, jigdo and torrent along with the iso files [00:24] bin_bash: what about gsynaptics [00:24] ok thx [00:25] i download now [00:25] !info tpconfig | bin_bash [00:25] bin_bash: tpconfig (source: tpconfig): touchpad device configuration utility. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1.3-14 (natty), package size 63 kB, installed size 216 kB [00:26] oooh [00:26] hmm, but i have no idea how to configure it. [00:26] lol [00:27] idk where to find it once installed [00:27] well, i ran sudo tpconfig and it said my touchpad was detected [00:27] and thats it. [00:27] but i didn't find a configuration tool (a gui one anyway) [00:28] OH MY GOD I FIXED IT [00:28] synclient MaxTapTime=0 for the future for anyone who asks [00:29] where the heck did you find that [00:29] google [00:29] google delivers [00:29] http://superuser.com/questions/70661/disable-tap-to-click-in-xubuntu [00:31] hmm, well at least it worked [00:33] i've got a thing for transparent terminal windows [00:33] not sure why [00:33] lol [00:34] What the! Spent 6 hours d/l and update to 11.04 then hung with less than 1 minute to go, just after the grub install message where I opted for "Maintainer...." [00:35] what should i do now to ensure all is OK with my system ... it seems to have booted OK since I had to force power down [00:36] It should be fine, and upgraded, too [00:36] uname -a gives the kernel infomation, should be .38 [00:36] lsb_release -a gives the release information [00:37] they're OK, I'm just worried that some app/library or something my have been only partially upgraded [00:38] nah, it may have been trying to delete something though. I think it is fine [00:38] by the time it hits grub, it is really close to done upgrading [00:38] yes, didn't get to the "Cleaning up" stage :-( [00:39] That's just the cache of files it used. I mine it removes something like 38 files, after running about 7 hours to upgrade [00:39] mikeatvillage: when in doubt, wipe it out.. :) [00:40] you could probably run sudo apt-get autoclean, and clean all that out to. [00:40] sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean [00:41] yup [00:41] forgot autoremove [00:41] yup [00:41] OkeyDokey, I'll autoclean then head for bed. Can investigate 11.04 in the morning :-) Thanks all. [00:44] and sudo dpkg --configure -a it tells me :-) [00:46] All done, OK :-) Oooh, flash new desktop! [00:46] lol [00:48] Oh...Slackware 13.37 was released today too :) [00:49] hey guise... what do you think will happen if i rsync my home folder from gnome to xfce [00:49] some stuff will work [00:50] it's from ubuntu 11.04 beta2 [00:50] but I don't know how much will fail [00:50] but gnome isntead of xfce [00:51] Considering ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop can use the same /home, it should be okay [00:51] Springtime linux goodies, installed 11.04 this morning from the one mirror that had xubuntu and right in the next city tome at the university of waterloo... an outstanding job on this release! [00:51] shouldnj't be a problem id on't think [00:52] ok [00:53] think anything bad will happen? [01:00] I can't guarantee anything, but I don't think it should be a problem [01:01] hmmm [01:03] well.... here goes nothing [01:10] bin_bash: did anything bad happen? [01:10] lol [01:10] not yet [01:10] it's 40 gigs. it's gonna take a while. [01:13] bin_bash: what are you doing? [01:13] rsyncing [01:13] bin_bash: holy smokes,l you ahve a 40gig home folder? [01:13] okay, i'm going to bed, behave well lads and have fun with xubuntu [01:13] -> [01:14] bye knome [01:14] And KM0201 , yeah [01:14] lol [01:14] bin_bash: are you sure?... i mean, seriously... a 40gig /home? are you sure you didn't copy the entire / ? (at which point, id predict this project will result in epic fail) [01:15] I'm really new to ubuntu so forgive the newbness, but does xubuntu use ubuntu with a skin or something? [01:15] yeah i'm sure. it's jsut the home folder. [01:15] KM0201: I have 52 gig alone in ~/Music :) [01:15] drc: oh ok... that makes sense [01:15] yeah i have a ton of music, videos, movies [01:15] i always forget mst people aren't like me... i keep music, movies, .. pretty much everything, on a separate partition. [01:16] pictures [01:16] I have a 500gig USB HDD for video. [01:16] lolnice [01:16] my /home is not quite 1.2gig.. and i think i have an iso in the download folder [01:17] wow lol [01:17] yup...lol [01:17] KM0201: you pack rat you [01:18] drc: lol, now its 514mb...lol (just deleted the unecessary stuff..lol) [01:18] and about 200mb of that, is a folder w/ some "event" sounds i like, some avatars, and a few wallpapers [01:18] lol [01:18] * drc cries when he remembers his first hhd was 213mg :( [01:19] uhhh i dont remember that ever [01:19] is the xubuntu site down? [01:19] maybe with DOS [01:19] mine was like 1.5gigs... it wsa a cheap acer PC. [01:19] drohm, no [01:19] had win95 [01:19] I can't pull up the site [01:19] my first computer was DOS [01:19] it was down a bit ago while it was updated [01:20] it's down. [01:20] at least for me [01:20] ahh, ok [01:20] woops [01:20] nope [01:20] just refreshed, its working [01:20] still showing 10.10 as current/stable [01:21] so do you guys recommend xubuntu over ubuntu? I can't get to the site to really look up this info :( [01:21] drohm, it's really the same system, just a different UI [01:21] are you using ubuntu now? [01:22] so thats all it really is? different ui? But you have to install from iso, not an add-on to ubuntu [01:22] drohm: It's up now (and if it isn't: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu ) [01:22] I'm installing ubuntu now, but seriously considering xubuntu [01:22] drohm: like i said other... it's like a hot chick, she's still the same hot chick if she puts on a different dress... thats ubuntu vs xubuntu [01:22] hahahah, good analogy [01:22] thx unit193 [01:22] drohm: on the other hand, if you want her naked, yu do a server install. [01:22] KM0201, nothing bad happened [01:23] drohm: whats the specs of your pc [01:23] bin_bash: well, thats a relief [01:23] drohm: It's the same base, the default programs and DE just differ [01:23] bin_bash: i didn't figure anything would, when you said all your music, etc.. was there [01:23] yah. I was hoping conky would startup [01:23] but nope [01:23] :( [01:23] Unit193, DE? [01:24] drohm: desktop enviro. [01:24] thx [01:24] drohm: whats your specs on that pc [01:24] i'm running it on an asus 1215N netbook [01:24] proc/memory? [01:25] I put in extra mem and ssd hd [01:25] hmmm [01:25] an atom dual proc, forget specs, one sec [01:25] conkyrc is here [01:25] so i'll jusrt install i guess [01:25] what is conkyrc? [01:26] intel atom D525 dual core 1.8ghz [01:26] it's the conky config file [01:26] drohm: it'll pobably run ubuntu/unity fine.. how much ram? [01:26] bin_bash: what is conky? [01:27] it comes with 2gigs but I put in another 2gigs even though the mem controller will only recognize 2.7gigs [01:27] KM0201, it's a process monitor [01:27] oh ok [01:27] and it's running [01:28] drohm: i would think w/ those specs, ubuntu will run fine [01:28] unity though... i dunno [01:28] yea, I had 10.10 running great on it [01:28] it kinda dogged down my laptop, which is a tad slower than yours, w/ 2gigs. [01:29] I was just considering putting xubuntu on instead [01:29] KM0201, I also got a usb extender and i'm using it for my wireless adaptor [01:29] best idea ever [01:29] IMO Xubuntu looks and feels better... [01:29] bin_bash: really?.. helps w/ signal loss? [01:29] Unit193: from the screenshots I've seen, I'd have to agree [01:29] yah [01:29] i like unity, i just didn't like that my old laptop couldn't run it very well.. i don't blame unity for that.. i knew i'd have to switch to xfce/lxde eventually.. so i was fine w/ it [01:30] bin_bash: hmm, you could put some sticky tape on the bottom of it now. [01:30] and put the adapter on top of your head [01:30] when you lose a signal, just walk around [01:30] Lubuntu this release looks sweet! [01:30] Unit193: i hadn't had a chance to mess w/ lxde this time around.. i was pretty happy w/ xfce, so i stayed [01:30] KM0201: you running 32 or 64bit? I figure don't bother with 64bit with a netbook and all [01:31] drohm: 32bit.. i totallly agree.. (we had this "discussion" earlier here in the channel) [01:31] I know and use Lubuntu because of that 500MHz sitting over there ---> [01:31] KM0201: cool, thx man [01:37] grrrr conky isn't working right [01:38] bin_bash: hmm [01:39] * KM0201 is totally addicted to lbreakout [01:39] *lbreakout2 [01:44] brb, dog needs out [01:45] dog breaking out? [01:46] Nope: E: Unable to locate package dogbreakout [01:50] nope, she was just gong nanners [01:50] probabl y a squirrel or something [01:50] then i had to stop and make me a tangwich [02:17] I installed XFCE and when I log in it loads nautilus. Can someone help me figure out why? [02:20] johnny77: was this a ubuntu/gnome install with xfce afterwards? [02:20] drc: yes. [02:21] can you boot to xubuntu/xfce at the login prompt? [02:24] yes, at the login prompt, I can choose XFCE session. [02:24] and ? [02:26] I loads XFCE session and in doing so loads nautilus as well. I didn't think nautilus should be loaded. [02:26] when does nautilus appear? [02:28] drc: if i had to guess, he's got nautilus set as his default filemanager [02:28] change to thunar, and the problem is resolved... but thats strictly a guess [02:28] I was going there...that and having both xfce and gnome loaded, the menus aew combined, iirc [02:29] It loads the XFCE background, then flickers to the nautilus background for a second.... I'm not sure the exact timing. [02:29] drc: yeha, most of the time whne you install two GUI's, they combine the menus (onje of the things i don't like about instaling another GUI [02:29] johnny77: setting manager>prefered apps>utilities...set file manager to thunar [02:31] is there any reason i cant upgrade to 11.04 [02:31] drc: there is no file manager option under utilities. [02:32] -__-- [02:32] theholder: what does Software Sources>Release upgrade say? [02:33] johnny77: I'm looking at it now...oh... [02:33] where do i find this === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [02:33] drc? [02:34] johnny77: I'm not sure what just installing xfce on ubuntu/gnome does, rather than installing the xubuntu-desktop [02:34] theholder: Does it say "Normal Release" or something else? [02:34] lemme check [02:35] theholder: Update Manager>Settings>Updates...at the bottom [02:35] johnny77: maybe one of the old hands knows? [02:39] johnny77: You did go: menu>settings>settings manager>preferred Applications>Utilities? [02:40] drc [02:40] it said [02:40] normal releases [02:41] but it also said server for united kingdom [02:41] ok, how are your trying to upgrade and what is the error you are getting? [02:41] using the upgrade manager [02:42] and it says unable to download release notes [02:42] drc: Here is what I have. menu>settings manager I open this then click preferred applications. When I click the utilities tab it only shows an option for terminal. [02:42] Change the server to something else (close to you) [02:42] i changed it to main server [02:43] johnny77: then I'm out of my knowledge level...maybe one of the old hands knows what to do....but I'll bet it's the result of using xfce not xubuntu. [02:43] the and? [02:43] o.o? [02:44] theholder: can you upgrade now? [02:44] yep [02:44] good...enjoy. [02:45] drc: ok, thanks [02:45] do you have to install chromium or can we install chrome? any difference? [02:46] johnny77: ask you question again, giving the info about installing xfce on ubuntu/gnome...just in case some one who knows didn't catch it earlier. [02:47] johnny77: and be patient, it's been a long day (on top of a long party last night :) [02:47] tell you something that has annoyed me [02:47] drc: ok, thanks again [02:47] my wifi doesnt work on my other laptop now [02:47] theholder: me? [02:47] >_> [02:47] no [02:47] not you [02:47] you''ve been helpfull [02:48] did you upgrade on the other laptop too? [02:48] yes [02:49] upgrade or fresh install? [02:49] but it runs ubuntu [02:49] upgrade [02:49] but the wifi was working in 10.10 [02:49] Hello! [02:49] emesene not run [02:49] ;/ [02:50] theholder: I have no knowledge of how to troubleshoot wifi, mine's always just worked...sorry [02:51] theholder: Was your wifi working when you ran a previous version of Xubuntu? [02:52] I installed XFCE on top of a Ubuntu/gnome installation. Now, when I log into XFCE, it loads nautilus. Can someone help me figure out why? [02:52] yes [02:54] bbl [03:04] * drc is sitting here, staring at a Slackware 13.37 install dvd...his heart says "install me, you know you want to", but his head says "no!, you don't have to go thru all that pain in this day and age". [03:06] hello [03:06] hello [03:07] what happened to xubuntu site, why hasnt been updated yet? [03:07] george2: the webadmin is still hung over from the release party last night...in other words, we don't know :) [03:08] ok :) [03:08] george2: It's been noted here, and I the word has been passed [03:09] so can i get from here > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/ [03:09] xubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso 27-Apr-2011 09:56 [03:09] 27 april? [03:09] george2: yes, both download and torrent [03:11] george2: that's the 32 bit download, if that's what you want, yes (but I'd use the torrent) [03:11] Does anyone know how I can add the "Network" folder to my old style Places menu? Or the location of Network so I could add it as a shortcut? [03:12] yes i know but it shouldd > 28 april [03:13] george2: My guess is that there was no difference between the 27th daily build and the final release iso [03:13] at least there was NO updates when I updated this am from the 27th [03:14] if that makes sense [03:14] drc: Same for me! ;) [03:14] ok [03:14] thank you [03:15] np [03:15] we aim to please [03:16] i'm downloadin it :) [03:16] bb and thanks again [03:17] hey === xubuntu726 is now known as kjxl9 [03:17] im new you xbuntu [03:17] to* [03:18] welcome aboard [03:18] ive never used a linuz OS before [03:18] ive been using xp pretty much all my life [03:18] I'm sorry :) [03:18] Welcome! [03:19] kjxl9: friends don't let friends use XP [03:19] I have heard highly of this OS [03:20] kjxl9: did you actually install, or are you on the live cd? [03:20] im installing right now [03:20] kjxl9: ok.. Ubuntu (or any of its variants) is a really good place to learn linux [03:20] Advisory: website appears to down still. It may be down all night. [03:21] i hope to update the site soon [03:22] george2: release notes and a good download site in the topic. That is the best we can do for now [03:22] charlie-tca: but the direct link to the download page (in the topic) will be up? [03:22] Xubuntu just became my daughter's first OS. [03:22] yes [03:22] (I built her a PC) [03:22] drc: yes, that is a good link [03:23] the only reason i dont switch my main computer to linux is because im a producer and i have all my FL studio stuff on it [03:23] I can live with that [03:24] kjxl9: lots of people have more than one OS...sometimes even on the same computer [03:24] kjxl9: check out ubuntu-studio? [03:24] xubuntu uses upstart, right? [03:24] It might help transition if you are interested [03:24] george2: yes [03:25] !studio | kjxl9 [03:25] kjxl9: UbuntuStudio is a collection of packages for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best Audio/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories. For more info and install instructions, join #ubuntustudio or see http://ubuntustudio.org [03:26] well, im currently working on a bunch of projects on my main computer so i'm not going to switch unitl i am done with my current album [03:26] is there any gui tool to manage daemons, because bum and ckconfig don't work [03:27] will all the VSTs i have for F studio work on rosegarden? [03:27] Can't blame you for that. I would switch very carefully anyway [03:27] kjxl9: I was pointing just because it's something to look at (not saying you NEED to change) [03:28] don't know enough about the stuff to tell you. When you get a chance, stop by #ubuntustudio and question them. [03:29] umm newb quetion, but how do i open a new IRC tab? [03:30] using which client? [03:30] xchat? [03:30] im on firefox [03:30] or just try /join channel [03:32] brb [03:32] (coffee) [03:33] ball: Bring me back a cup [03:34] hello drc2, Unit193 [03:34] hmmm...so this is what the web interface looks like. [03:35] interesting [03:36] kjxl9: did you get your answer on #ubuntustudio? [03:36] Web interwhatnow? [03:37] irc via firefox [03:37] sorof drc [03:37] drc: via firefox = ChatZilla [03:37] im asking the guys at #kxstudio [03:38] Unit193: Whatever...I've never used it before [03:39] kjxl9: but at least they were nice about it? [03:40] ya [03:40] just found out [03:40] the major synth i use works [03:40] hi my window border is missing (close/maximize/minimize)...please help [03:40] but the one i barely use doesn't [03:40] kjxl9: lucky you :) [03:41] hi my window border is missing (close/maximize/minimize)...please help [03:41] Unit193: you actually don't even need chatzilla... http://webchat.freenode.net/ [03:41] thats what i am on right now [03:41] user0__: do you have desktop effects enabled? [03:42] yes [03:43] OK...I'm off for beer, bath and bed...laters all [03:44] kjxl9: what? the webchat client? [03:44] ya [03:45] it seems to work OK. [03:45] ya. [03:45] i need to get a mouse for this laptop [03:45] i hate using the touchpad [03:45] seems a bit sensitive now too [03:46] kjxl9: bin_bash fixed her sensitive mouse.. but not sure how. [03:47] does anyone know what the "Enable Display Compositing" on the compositor tab of window manager tweaks, is? [03:47] i disabled it, and it didn't really seem to do anything [03:47] well i am in the middle of installation so i cant really change any settings right now [03:48] kjxl9: it probably wouldn't save for you anyway [03:48] kjxl9: It wouldn't save [03:49] Unit193: strangely enough though, when i get on my wireless network on the live cd, after i install, it saves my network configuration, and when i boot my install, it lets me choose my network and signs mme on, w/o entering my wpa2 password [03:50] why would someone use compiz w/ xfce? [03:50] kinda defeats the purpose of xfce, IMO. [03:51] you want glitz and glamour use gnome or kde [03:51] Some people like the look better! [03:51] kjxl9: according to bin_bash, this fixed her touchpad... synclient MaxTapTime=0 then set that command to autostart in your session manager [03:51] Unit193: i dunno.. xfce is pretty ugly, you have to admit that [03:51] lol [03:52] but to me, it's like an ugly grandchild.. you still love it, and it's the apple of your eye. [03:53] No. I rather think it looks good this release [03:54] Unit193: it is pretty good.. prior to this, my only xfce experience (other than an occasional live usb try here and there) was back w/ ubuntu 7.04 [03:55] Xubuntu doesn't look a lot like vanilla Xfce [03:56] Not that I mind either, really. [03:57] hello drohm_ [03:57] hey hey :) [03:58] just got xubuntu up and running [03:58] im still installing and my estimated time remaining keeps going from 60 hours to 130 hours [03:59] the updates at the end took a long time [03:59] kjxl9: lol [03:59] sounds like yo better get some sleep [03:59] kjxl9: is this a clean install? [03:59] drohm: what cd did you download and upgrade from? [04:00] I downloaded the i386 iso, burned the cd and wiped and started clean [04:00] 11.04 [04:02] hmm, and it took that long? [04:02]