[00:02] <mikeatvillage> I'm thick, still don't get it ... I'll read the help guide in the morning when my head's clearer :-)
[00:04] <charlie-tca> It is an easy to grab window resizer
[00:04] <charlie-tca> sometimes you want to make a window a bit bigger on screen?
[00:07] <mikeatvillage> Yes, I use the -/+ buttons or drag the edge of the window with my mouse ... I can't see what this thing does (@)^(@)
[00:08] <mikeatvillage> (I do spend all my day in front of XP with occasional look at a terminal sesson on a Linux box)
[00:11] <bin_bash> Well I got everything working. But now I need settings for a my trackpad
[00:11] <bin_bash> Otherwise I won't be able to use this
[00:11] <bin_bash> it's way too sensitive
[00:13] <bin_bash> Anyone?
[00:17] <tomasz> xubuntu.org dont work ?
[00:17] <tomasz> ok now is
[00:19] <KM0201> bin_bash: you're gonna have to configure synaptics most likely
[00:19] <bin_bash> yeah
[00:19] <KM0201> !synaptics
[00:20] <tomasz> why still dont have 11.04 xubuntu ;)
[00:20] <KM0201> tomasz: huh?
[00:20] <tomasz> on page
[00:20] <KM0201> tomasz: cuz the page isn't updated yet
[00:20] <bin_bash> i got something else
[00:20] <KM0201> i'm not sure if the live cd's are even out yet to be truthfl
[00:20] <tomasz> what is link to 11.04 ?
[00:20] <Unit193> tomasz: The site isn't back up yet (they are changing it)
[00:21] <Unit193> tomasz: topic
[00:21] <KM0201> bin_bash: what did you come up w/?
[00:21] <tomasz> ooh ok yhx
[00:21] <tomasz> thx
[00:21] <tomasz> i nevet look on topic in XChat
[00:21] <bin_bash> i found something called gpointing something
[00:21] <bin_bash> but its gnome only
[00:22] <KM0201> hmm
[00:22] <KM0201> i no gynope has a touchpad "tab" under mouse.. but it doesn't look like xfce has that
[00:23] <charlie-tca> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/ has both desktop and alternate, jigdo and torrent along with the iso files
[00:24] <charlie-tca> bin_bash: what about gsynaptics
[00:24] <tomasz> ok thx
[00:25] <tomasz> i download now
[00:25] <KM0201> !info tpconfig | bin_bash
[00:26] <bin_bash> oooh
[00:26] <KM0201> hmm, but i have no idea how to configure it.
[00:26] <KM0201> lol
[00:27] <bin_bash> idk where to find it once installed
[00:27] <KM0201> well, i ran sudo tpconfig       and it said my touchpad was detected
[00:27] <KM0201> and thats it.
[00:27] <KM0201> but i didn't find a configuration tool (a gui one anyway)
[00:28] <bin_bash> OH MY GOD I FIXED IT
[00:28] <bin_bash> synclient MaxTapTime=0 for the future for anyone who asks
[00:29] <KM0201> where the heck did you find that
[00:29] <bin_bash> google
[00:29] <KM0201> google delivers
[00:29] <bin_bash> http://superuser.com/questions/70661/disable-tap-to-click-in-xubuntu
[00:31] <KM0201> hmm, well at least it worked
[00:33] <KM0201> i've got a thing for transparent terminal windows
[00:33] <KM0201> not sure why
[00:33] <KM0201> lol
[00:34] <mikeatvillage> What the!  Spent 6 hours d/l and update to 11.04 then hung with less than 1 minute to go, just after the grub install message where I opted for "Maintainer...."
[00:35] <mikeatvillage> what should i do now to ensure all is OK with my system ... it seems to have booted OK since I had to force power down
[00:36] <charlie-tca> It should be fine, and upgraded, too
[00:36] <charlie-tca> uname -a     gives the kernel infomation, should be .38
[00:36] <charlie-tca> lsb_release -a     gives the release information
[00:37] <mikeatvillage> they're OK, I'm just worried that some app/library or something my have been only partially upgraded
[00:38] <charlie-tca> nah, it may have been trying to delete something though. I think it is fine
[00:38] <charlie-tca> by the time it hits grub, it is really close to done upgrading
[00:38] <mikeatvillage> yes, didn't get to the "Cleaning up" stage :-(
[00:39] <charlie-tca> That's just the cache of files it used. I mine it removes something like 38 files, after running about 7 hours to upgrade
[00:39] <KM0201> mikeatvillage: when in doubt, wipe it out.. :)
[00:40] <KM0201> you could probably run sudo apt-get autoclean, and clean all that out to.
[00:40] <Unit193> sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean
[00:41] <KM0201> yup
[00:41] <KM0201> forgot autoremove
[00:41] <charlie-tca> yup
[00:41] <mikeatvillage> OkeyDokey, I'll autoclean then head for bed. Can investigate 11.04 in the morning :-)  Thanks all.
[00:44] <mikeatvillage> and sudo dpkg --configure -a  it tells me :-)
[00:46] <mikeatvillage> All done, OK :-)  Oooh, flash new desktop!
[00:46] <KM0201> lol
[00:48] <drc> Oh...Slackware 13.37 was released today too :)
[00:49] <bin_bash> hey guise... what do you think will happen if i rsync my home folder from gnome to xfce
[00:49] <charlie-tca> some stuff will work
[00:50] <bin_bash> it's from ubuntu 11.04 beta2
[00:50] <charlie-tca> but I don't know how much will fail
[00:50] <bin_bash> but gnome isntead of xfce
[00:51] <charlie-tca> Considering ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop can use the same /home, it should be okay
[00:51] <lnuxarrow> Springtime linux goodies, installed 11.04 this morning from the one mirror that had xubuntu and right in the next city tome at the university of waterloo... an outstanding job on this release!
[00:51] <KM0201> shouldnj't be a problem id on't think
[00:52] <bin_bash> ok
[00:53] <bin_bash> think anything bad will happen?
[01:00] <charlie-tca> I can't guarantee anything, but I don't think it should be a problem
[01:01] <bin_bash> hmmm
[01:03] <bin_bash> well.... here goes nothing
[01:10] <KM0201> bin_bash: did anything bad happen?
[01:10] <KM0201> lol
[01:10] <bin_bash> not yet
[01:10] <bin_bash> it's 40 gigs. it's gonna take a while.
[01:13] <KM0201> bin_bash: what are you doing?
[01:13] <bin_bash> rsyncing
[01:13] <KM0201> bin_bash: holy smokes,l you ahve a 40gig home folder?
[01:13] <knome> okay, i'm going to bed, behave well lads and have fun with xubuntu
[01:13] <knome> ->
[01:14] <bin_bash> bye knome
[01:14] <bin_bash> And KM0201 , yeah
[01:14] <bin_bash> lol
[01:14] <KM0201> bin_bash: are you sure?... i mean, seriously... a 40gig /home?   are you sure you didn't copy the entire / ?  (at which point, id predict this project will result in epic fail)
[01:15] <drohm> I'm really new to ubuntu so forgive the newbness, but does xubuntu use ubuntu with a skin or something?
[01:15] <bin_bash> yeah i'm sure. it's jsut the home folder.
[01:15] <drc> KM0201: I have 52 gig alone in ~/Music :)
[01:15] <KM0201> drc: oh ok... that makes sense
[01:15] <bin_bash> yeah i have a ton of music, videos, movies
[01:15] <KM0201> i always forget mst people aren't like me... i keep music, movies, .. pretty much everything, on a separate partition.
[01:16] <bin_bash> pictures
[01:16] <drc> I have a 500gig USB HDD for video.
[01:16] <bin_bash> lolnice
[01:16] <KM0201> my /home is not quite 1.2gig.. and i think i have an iso in the download folder
[01:17] <bin_bash> wow lol
[01:17] <KM0201> yup...lol
[01:17] <drc> KM0201: you pack rat you
[01:18] <KM0201> drc: lol, now its 514mb...lol (just deleted the unecessary stuff..lol)
[01:18] <KM0201> and about 200mb of that, is a folder w/ some "event" sounds i like, some avatars, and a few wallpapers
[01:18] <KM0201> lol
[01:18]  * drc cries when he remembers his first hhd was 213mg :(
[01:19] <bin_bash> uhhh i dont remember that ever
[01:19] <drohm> is the xubuntu site down?
[01:19] <bin_bash> maybe with DOS
[01:19] <KM0201> mine was like 1.5gigs... it wsa a cheap acer PC.
[01:19] <bin_bash> drohm, no
[01:19] <KM0201> had win95
[01:19] <drohm> I can't pull up the site
[01:19] <bin_bash> my first computer was DOS
[01:19] <KM0201> it was down a bit ago while it was updated
[01:20] <KM0201> it's down.
[01:20] <KM0201> at least for me
[01:20] <drohm> ahh, ok
[01:20] <KM0201> woops
[01:20] <KM0201> nope
[01:20] <KM0201> just refreshed, its working
[01:20] <KM0201> still showing 10.10 as current/stable
[01:21] <drohm> so do you guys recommend xubuntu over ubuntu?  I can't get to the site to really look up this info :(
[01:21] <bin_bash> drohm, it's really the same system, just a different UI
[01:21] <bin_bash> are you using ubuntu now?
[01:22] <drohm> so thats all it really is?  different ui?  But you have to install from iso, not an add-on to ubuntu
[01:22] <Unit193> drohm: It's up now (and if it isn't: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu )
[01:22] <drohm> I'm installing ubuntu now, but seriously considering xubuntu
[01:22] <KM0201> drohm: like i said other... it's like a hot chick, she's still the same hot chick if she puts on a different dress... thats ubuntu vs xubuntu
[01:22] <drohm> hahahah, good analogy
[01:22] <drohm> thx unit193
[01:22] <KM0201> drohm: on the other hand, if you want her naked, yu do a server install.
[01:22] <bin_bash> KM0201, nothing bad happened
[01:23] <KM0201> drohm: whats the specs of your pc
[01:23] <KM0201> bin_bash: well, thats a relief
[01:23] <Unit193> drohm: It's the same base, the default programs and DE just differ
[01:23] <KM0201> bin_bash: i didn't figure anything would, when you said all your music, etc.. was there
[01:23] <bin_bash> yah. I was hoping conky would startup
[01:23] <bin_bash> but nope
[01:23] <bin_bash> :(
[01:23] <drohm> Unit193, DE?
[01:24] <KM0201> drohm: desktop enviro.
[01:24] <drohm> thx
[01:24] <KM0201> drohm: whats your specs on that pc
[01:24] <drohm> i'm running it on an asus 1215N netbook
[01:24] <KM0201> proc/memory?
[01:25] <drohm> I put in extra mem and ssd hd
[01:25] <bin_bash> hmmm
[01:25] <drohm> an atom dual proc, forget specs, one sec
[01:25] <bin_bash> conkyrc is here
[01:25] <bin_bash> so i'll jusrt install i guess
[01:25] <KM0201> what is conkyrc?
[01:26] <drohm> intel atom D525 dual core 1.8ghz
[01:26] <bin_bash> it's the conky config file
[01:26] <KM0201> drohm: it'll pobably run ubuntu/unity fine.. how much ram?
[01:26] <KM0201> bin_bash: what is conky?
[01:27] <drohm> it comes with 2gigs but I put in another 2gigs even though the mem controller will only recognize 2.7gigs
[01:27] <bin_bash> KM0201, it's a process monitor
[01:27] <KM0201> oh ok
[01:27] <bin_bash> and it's running
[01:28] <KM0201> drohm: i would think w/ those specs, ubuntu will run fine
[01:28] <KM0201> unity though... i dunno
[01:28] <drohm> yea, I had 10.10 running great on it
[01:28] <KM0201> it kinda dogged down my laptop, which is a tad slower than yours, w/ 2gigs.
[01:29] <drohm> I was just considering putting xubuntu on instead
[01:29] <bin_bash> KM0201, I also got a usb extender and i'm using it for my wireless adaptor
[01:29] <bin_bash> best idea ever
[01:29] <Unit193> IMO Xubuntu looks and feels better...
[01:29] <KM0201> bin_bash: really?.. helps w/ signal loss?
[01:29] <drohm> Unit193: from the screenshots I've seen, I'd have to agree
[01:29] <bin_bash> yah
[01:29] <KM0201> i like unity, i just didn't like that my old laptop couldn't run it very well.. i don't blame unity for that.. i knew i'd have to switch to xfce/lxde eventually.. so i was fine w/ it
[01:30] <KM0201> bin_bash: hmm, you could put some sticky tape on the bottom of it now.
[01:30] <KM0201> and put the adapter on top of your head
[01:30] <KM0201> when you lose a signal, just walk around
[01:30] <Unit193> Lubuntu this release looks sweet!
[01:30] <KM0201> Unit193: i hadn't had a chance to mess w/ lxde this time around.. i was pretty happy w/ xfce, so i stayed
[01:30] <drohm> KM0201: you running 32 or 64bit?  I figure don't bother with 64bit with a netbook and all
[01:31] <KM0201> drohm: 32bit.. i totallly agree.. (we had this "discussion" earlier here in the channel)
[01:31] <Unit193> I know and use Lubuntu because of that 500MHz sitting over there --->
[01:31] <drohm> KM0201: cool, thx man
[01:37] <bin_bash> grrrr conky isn't working right
[01:38] <KM0201> bin_bash: hmm
[01:39]  * KM0201 is totally addicted to lbreakout
[01:39] <KM0201> *lbreakout2
[01:44] <KM0201> brb, dog needs out
[01:45] <drc> dog breaking out?
[01:46] <Unit193> Nope: E: Unable to locate package dogbreakout
[01:50] <KM0201> nope, she was just gong nanners
[01:50] <KM0201> probabl y a squirrel or something
[01:50] <KM0201> then i had to stop and make me a tangwich
[02:17] <johnny77> I installed XFCE and when I log in it loads nautilus. Can someone help me figure out why?
[02:20] <drc> johnny77: was this a ubuntu/gnome install with xfce afterwards?
[02:20] <johnny77> drc: yes.
[02:21] <drc> can you boot to xubuntu/xfce at the login prompt?
[02:24] <johnny77> yes, at the login prompt, I can choose XFCE session.
[02:24] <drc> and ?
[02:26] <johnny77> I loads XFCE session and in doing so loads nautilus as well. I didn't think nautilus should be loaded.
[02:26] <drc> when does nautilus appear?
[02:28] <KM0201> drc: if i had to guess, he's got nautilus set as his default filemanager
[02:28] <KM0201> change to thunar, and the problem is resolved... but thats strictly a guess
[02:28] <drc> I was going there...that and having both xfce and gnome loaded, the menus aew combined, iirc
[02:29] <johnny77> It loads the XFCE background, then flickers to the nautilus background for a second.... I'm not sure the exact timing.
[02:29] <KM0201> drc: yeha, most of the time whne you install two GUI's, they combine the menus (onje of the things i don't like about instaling another GUI
[02:29] <drc> johnny77: setting manager>prefered apps>utilities...set file manager to thunar
[02:31] <theholder> is there any reason i cant upgrade to 11.04
[02:31] <johnny77> drc: there is no file manager option under utilities.
[02:32] <theholder> -__--
[02:32] <drc> theholder: what does Software Sources>Release upgrade say?
[02:33] <drc> johnny77: I'm looking at it now...oh...
[02:33] <theholder> where do i find this
[02:33] <theholder> drc?
[02:34] <drc> johnny77: I'm not sure what just installing xfce on ubuntu/gnome does, rather than installing the xubuntu-desktop
[02:34] <drc> theholder: Does it say "Normal Release" or something else?
[02:34] <theholder> lemme check
[02:35] <drc> theholder: Update Manager>Settings>Updates...at the bottom
[02:35] <drc> johnny77: maybe one of the old hands knows?
[02:39] <drc> johnny77: You did go: menu>settings>settings manager>preferred Applications>Utilities?
[02:40] <theholder> drc
[02:40] <theholder> it said
[02:40] <theholder> normal releases
[02:41] <theholder> but it also said server for united kingdom
[02:41] <drc> ok, how are your trying to upgrade and what is the error you are getting?
[02:41] <theholder> using the upgrade manager
[02:42] <theholder> and it says unable to download release notes
[02:42] <johnny77> drc: Here is what I have. menu>settings manager I open this then click preferred applications. When I click the utilities tab it only shows an option for terminal.
[02:42] <drc> Change the server to something else (close to you)
[02:42] <theholder> i changed it to main server
[02:43] <drc> johnny77: then I'm out of my knowledge level...maybe one of the old hands knows what to do....but I'll bet it's the result of using xfce not xubuntu.
[02:43] <drc> the and?
[02:43] <theholder> o.o?
[02:44] <drc> theholder: can you upgrade now?
[02:44] <theholder> yep
[02:44] <drc> good...enjoy.
[02:45] <johnny77> drc: ok, thanks
[02:45] <drohm> do you have to install chromium or can we install chrome?  any difference?
[02:46] <drc> johnny77: ask you question again, giving the info about installing xfce on ubuntu/gnome...just in case some one who knows didn't catch it earlier.
[02:47] <drc> johnny77: and be patient, it's been a long day (on top of a long party last night :)
[02:47] <theholder> tell you something that has annoyed me
[02:47] <johnny77> drc: ok, thanks again
[02:47] <theholder> my wifi doesnt work on my other laptop now
[02:47] <drc> theholder: me?
[02:47] <theholder> >_>
[02:47] <theholder> no
[02:47] <theholder> not you
[02:47] <theholder> you''ve been helpfull
[02:48] <drc> did you upgrade on the other laptop too?
[02:48] <theholder> yes
[02:49] <drc> upgrade or fresh install?
[02:49] <theholder> but it runs ubuntu
[02:49] <theholder> upgrade
[02:49] <theholder> but the wifi was working in 10.10
[02:49] <ball> Hello!
[02:49] <xGrind> emesene not run
[02:49] <xGrind> ;/
[02:50] <drc> theholder: I have no knowledge of how to troubleshoot wifi, mine's always just worked...sorry
[02:51] <ball> theholder: Was your wifi working when you ran a previous version of Xubuntu?
[02:52] <johnny77> I installed XFCE on top of a Ubuntu/gnome installation. Now, when I log into XFCE, it loads nautilus. Can someone help me figure out why?
[02:52] <theholder> yes
[02:54] <drc> bbl
[03:04]  * drc is sitting here, staring at a Slackware 13.37 install dvd...his heart says "install me, you know you want to", but his head says "no!, you don't have to go thru all that pain in this day and age".
[03:06] <george2> hello
[03:06] <drc> hello
[03:07] <george2> what happened to xubuntu site, why hasnt been updated yet?
[03:07] <drc> george2: the webadmin is still hung over from the release party last night...in other words, we don't know :)
[03:08] <george2> ok :)
[03:08] <drc> george2: It's been noted here, and I <think> the word has been passed
[03:09] <george2> so can i get from here > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/
[03:09] <george2> xubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso            27-Apr-2011 09:56
[03:09] <george2> 27 april?
[03:09] <drc> george2: yes, both download and torrent
[03:11] <drc> george2: that's the 32 bit download, if that's what you want, yes (but I'd use the torrent)
[03:11] <colin_> Does anyone know how I can add the "Network" folder to my old style Places menu? Or the location of Network so I could add it as a shortcut?
[03:12] <george2> yes i know but it shouldd > 28 april
[03:13] <drc> george2: My guess is that there was no difference between the 27th daily build and the final release iso
[03:13] <drc> at least there was NO updates when I updated this am from the 27th
[03:14] <drc> if that makes sense
[03:14] <Unit193> drc: Same for me! ;)
[03:14] <george2> ok
[03:14] <george2> thank you
[03:15] <drc> np
[03:15] <drc> we aim to please
[03:16] <george2> i'm downloadin it :)
[03:16] <george2> bb and thanks again
[03:17] <xubuntu726> hey
[03:17] <kjxl9> im new you xbuntu
[03:17] <kjxl9> to*
[03:18] <drc> welcome aboard
[03:18] <kjxl9> ive never used a linuz OS before
[03:18] <kjxl9> ive been using xp pretty much all my life
[03:18] <drc> I'm sorry :)
[03:18] <ball> Welcome!
[03:19] <KM0201> kjxl9: friends don't let friends use XP
[03:19] <kjxl9> I have heard highly of this OS
[03:20] <KM0201> kjxl9: did you actually install, or are you on the live cd?
[03:20] <kjxl9> im installing right now
[03:20] <KM0201> kjxl9: ok.. Ubuntu (or any of its variants) is a really good place to learn linux
[03:20] <charlie-tca> Advisory:  website appears to down still. It may be down all night.
[03:21] <george2> i hope to update the site soon
[03:22] <charlie-tca> george2: release notes and a good download site in the topic. That is the best we can do for now
[03:22] <drc> charlie-tca: but the direct link to the download page (in the topic) will be up?
[03:22] <ball> Xubuntu just became my daughter's first OS.
[03:22] <charlie-tca> yes
[03:22] <ball> (I built her a PC)
[03:22] <charlie-tca> drc: yes, that is a good link
[03:23] <kjxl9> the only reason i dont switch my main computer to linux is because im a producer and i have all my FL studio stuff on it
[03:23] <drc> I can live with that
[03:24] <drc> kjxl9: lots of people have more than one OS...sometimes even on the same computer
[03:24] <charlie-tca> kjxl9: check out ubuntu-studio?
[03:24] <george2> xubuntu uses upstart, right?
[03:24] <charlie-tca> It might help transition if you are interested
[03:24] <charlie-tca> george2: yes
[03:25] <Unit193> !studio | kjxl9
[03:26] <kjxl9> well, im currently working on a bunch of projects on my main computer so i'm not going to switch unitl i am done with my current album
[03:26] <george2> is there any gui tool to manage daemons, because bum and ckconfig don't work
[03:27] <kjxl9> will all the VSTs i have for F studio work on rosegarden?
[03:27] <charlie-tca> Can't blame you for that. I would switch very carefully anyway
[03:27] <Unit193> kjxl9: I was pointing just because it's something to look at (not saying you NEED to change)
[03:28] <charlie-tca> don't know enough about the stuff to tell you. When you get a chance, stop by #ubuntustudio and question them.
[03:29] <kjxl9> umm newb quetion, but how do i open a new IRC tab?
[03:30] <charlie-tca> using which client?
[03:30] <charlie-tca> xchat?
[03:30] <kjxl9> im on firefox
[03:30] <charlie-tca> or just try          /join channel
[03:32] <ball> brb
[03:32] <ball> (coffee)
[03:33] <Unit193> ball: Bring me back a cup
[03:34] <ball> hello drc2, Unit193
[03:34] <drc2> hmmm...so this is what the web interface looks like.
[03:35] <drc> interesting
[03:36] <drc> kjxl9: did you get your answer on #ubuntustudio?
[03:36] <ball> Web interwhatnow?
[03:37] <drc> irc via firefox
[03:37] <kjxl9> sorof drc
[03:37] <Unit193> drc: via firefox = ChatZilla
[03:37] <kjxl9> im asking the guys at #kxstudio
[03:38] <drc> Unit193: Whatever...I've never used it before
[03:39] <drc> kjxl9: but at least they were nice about it?
[03:40] <kjxl9> ya
[03:40] <kjxl9> just found out
[03:40] <kjxl9> the major synth i use works
[03:40] <user0__>  hi my window border is missing (close/maximize/minimize)...please help
[03:40] <kjxl9> but the one i barely use doesn't
[03:40] <drc> kjxl9:  lucky you :)
[03:41] <user0__>  hi my window border is missing (close/maximize/minimize)...please help
[03:41] <KM0201> Unit193: you actually don't even need chatzilla... http://webchat.freenode.net/
[03:41] <kjxl9> thats what i am on right now
[03:41] <KM0201> user0__: do you have desktop effects enabled?
[03:42] <user0__> yes
[03:43] <drc> OK...I'm off for beer, bath and bed...laters all
[03:44] <KM0201> kjxl9: what? the webchat client?
[03:44] <kjxl9> ya
[03:45] <KM0201> it seems to work OK.
[03:45] <kjxl9> ya.
[03:45] <kjxl9> i need to get a mouse for this laptop
[03:45] <kjxl9> i hate using the touchpad
[03:45] <kjxl9> seems a bit sensitive now too
[03:46] <KM0201> kjxl9: bin_bash fixed her sensitive mouse.. but not sure how.
[03:47] <KM0201> does anyone know what  the "Enable Display Compositing" on the compositor tab of window manager tweaks, is?
[03:47] <KM0201> i disabled it, and it didn't really seem to do anything
[03:47] <kjxl9> well i am in the middle of installation so i cant really change any settings right now
[03:48] <KM0201> kjxl9: it probably wouldn't save for you anyway
[03:48] <Unit193> kjxl9: It wouldn't save
[03:49] <KM0201> Unit193: strangely enough though, when i get on my wireless network on the live cd, after i install, it saves my network configuration, and when i boot my install, it lets me choose my network and signs mme on, w/o entering my wpa2 password
[03:50] <KM0201> why would someone use compiz w/ xfce?
[03:50] <KM0201> kinda defeats the purpose of xfce, IMO.
[03:51] <KM0201> you want glitz and glamour use gnome or kde
[03:51] <Unit193> Some people like the look better!
[03:51] <KM0201> kjxl9: according to bin_bash, this fixed her touchpad... synclient MaxTapTime=0         then set that command to autostart in your session manager
[03:51] <KM0201> Unit193: i dunno.. xfce is pretty ugly, you have to admit that
[03:51] <KM0201> lol
[03:52] <KM0201> but to me, it's like an ugly grandchild.. you still love it, and it's the apple of your eye.
[03:53] <Unit193> No. I rather think it looks good this release
[03:54] <KM0201> Unit193: it is pretty good.. prior to this, my only xfce experience (other than an occasional live usb try here and there) was back w/ ubuntu 7.04
[03:55] <ball> Xubuntu doesn't look a lot like vanilla Xfce
[03:56] <ball> Not that I mind either, really.
[03:57] <ball> hello drohm_
[03:57] <drohm_> hey hey :)
[03:58] <drohm_> just got xubuntu up and running
[03:58] <kjxl9> im still installing and my estimated time remaining keeps going from 60 hours to 130 hours
[03:59] <drohm_> the updates at the end took a long time
[03:59] <KM0201> kjxl9: lol
[03:59] <KM0201> sounds like yo better get some sleep
[03:59] <KM0201> kjxl9: is this a clean install?
[03:59] <KM0201> drohm: what cd did you download and upgrade from?
[04:00] <drohm_> I downloaded the i386 iso, burned the cd and wiped and started clean
[04:00] <drohm_> 11.04
[04:02] <KM0201> hmm, and it took that long?
[04:02] <KM0201> servers must be getting hammered
[04:02] <drohm_> no no, mine only took about 30 minutes
[04:02] <drohm_> wasn't bad at all
[04:06] <KM0201> good
[04:41] <Spaz_Dynamic> is the website not maintained? it still says 10.10
[04:55] <KM0201> Spaz_Dynamic: just a little behind, thats all.
[04:55] <KM0201> Spaz_Dynamic: i believe the topic has links to current iso's
[04:55] <bin_bash> KM0201, my last dying wish is to install gentoo
[04:55] <Spaz_Dynamic> it does
[04:55] <KM0201> bin_bash: lol, why is that?
[04:55] <bin_bash> It's going to be in my last will and testament
[04:55] <bin_bash> Because it's such a pain of a distro
[04:55]  * KM0201 tried Gentoo one time.. it lasted about 15-20min
[04:56] <bin_bash> hahaha
[04:56] <KM0201> Spaz_Dynamic: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/
[04:57] <Spaz_Dynamic> I know. That was a statement confirming what you said.
[04:57] <KM0201> Spaz_Dynamic: oh ok..lol
[04:57] <Spaz_Dynamic> But thank you anyways. =)
[04:58] <Spaz_Dynamic> torrent is almost done at this point by the way
[04:58] <bin_bash> You know... xchat is actually bearable on xfce
[04:58] <KM0201> bin_bash: i like xchat.
[05:00] <KM0201> bin_bash: do you like south park? (the animated cartoon) given your recent issues w/ Apple, you'll LOVE the first episode of the newest season
[05:00] <bin_bash> rly
[05:33] <bin_bash> hey guise, where do i put the flashplayer.so?
[05:35] <bin_bash> hey bazhang
[06:05] <kjxl9> hello
[06:08] <inaety> I updated xfce to 4.8 before Natty came out.  And now it won't let me do the system upgrade.  How can I upgrade safely?
[06:12] <bazhang> via ppa?
[06:13] <inaety> yeah
[06:13] <bazhang> try ppa-purge then
[06:13] <bazhang> !info ppa-purge
[06:13] <bazhang> also in 10.10
[06:14] <inaety> so ppa-purge, then update as normal?
[06:14] <bazhang> yeppers
[06:17] <inaety> i hope this doesnt break my system :(
[06:22] <bazhang> no it wont
[06:24] <inaety> does committing the purge cause my system to downgrade to 4.6?
[06:27] <bin_bash> no
[06:32] <tomtit> Does anyone know when xubuntu 11.04 be available to download?
[06:33] <Unit193> tomtit: It is now. Read the topic for download
[06:34] <tomtit> Shall have another look see
[06:34] <tomtit> ty Unit193
[07:09] <bin_bash> I just realized my icons are not showing up in the top panel
[07:09] <bin_bash> like skype and pidgin and xchat
[07:15] <TheSheep> bin_bash: you probably removed the notification area, just add it back
[07:15] <bin_bash> no i got it
[07:15] <bin_bash> i had to restart the programs
[07:15] <bin_bash> the battery was there
[07:15] <bin_bash> but the rest wanst
[07:18] <bin_bash> why can't i change the color of the indicator plugin
[07:27] <TheSheep> bin_bash: probably a bug
[07:27] <jozefk> I did 6 passes of memetest and no errors. then I stopped. was that enough?
[07:28] <TheSheep> jozefk: probably
[07:28] <jozefk> memtest*
[07:28] <TheSheep> jozefk: depends on why you suspect there is a problem
[07:29] <jozefk> so the memory is fine. is there any other tool for hardware testing?
[07:29] <jozefk> DE's are freezing
[07:29] <jozefk> that's why
[07:29] <jozefk> and I tried different distros/DE and same result
[07:29] <jozefk> actually I didn't try a lot of distros but few
[07:32] <TheSheep> DE?
[07:35] <Spaz_Dynamic> desktop envrionment
[07:36] <Spaz_Dynamic> like KDE or gnome
[07:36] <Spaz_Dynamic> lxde, xfce
[07:36] <Spaz_Dynamic> etc
[07:36] <Spaz_Dynamic> rather, the last three letters aren't a DE, but mean ecetera hahah
[07:38] <Unit193> I don't remember your computer stats... what are they?
[07:39] <jozefk> PIV 3.2GHz HT, Intel on MoBo i915, 2GB DDR2 RAM
[07:40] <jozefk> KDE and XFCE is freezing. didn't try LXDE and Gnome. because gnome3 I don't like anyway even if it is working :)
[07:41] <Unit193> jozefk: Try Lubuntu and SliTaz (SliTaz because you won't find one smaller that's as good)
[07:41] <Unit193> You shouldn't ahve to...
[07:41] <jozefk> so you think DEs are the problem not the hardware?
[07:42] <Unit193> I don't know for sure, but I would say hardware
[07:43] <psycho_oreos> video chip is i915?
[07:43] <jozefk> then I would like to find out what's the cause and to fix it or throw it :)
[07:43] <Unit193> jozefk: Did you ever get out of Ubuntu family? or Debian?
[07:43] <jozefk> yes i915 driver is in use for the intel graphic
[07:44] <jozefk> Unit193 yes. tried Chakra with KDE 4.6.2
[07:44] <jozefk> and kubuntu
[07:44] <jozefk> and parsix and so on
[07:45] <psycho_oreos> that might be the issue, intel graphics aren't particularly great
[07:45] <jozefk> even some distros from philippines :))
[07:45] <jozefk> psycho_oreos what should I do?
[07:45] <psycho_oreos> jozefk, is this desktop or laptop?
[07:45] <jozefk> I can't find PCI express 1x graphic card anymore
[07:46] <jozefk> and the 16x slot is missing from MoBo :))
[07:46] <jozefk> I have only 1x slot for PCIe
[07:46] <jozefk> desktop
[07:46] <psycho_oreos> its a custom motherboard I gather?
[07:47] <jozefk> the computer is branded. I didn't put it part by part
[07:47] <jozefk> it came as it is except I added 5.1 sound card and one more HDD
[07:47] <jozefk> and I removed the floppy
[07:47] <jozefk> :)
[07:47] <psycho_oreos> no I meant that if its one of those computers like Dell, HP, Acer, etc
[07:47] <jozefk> put it up*
[07:48] <jozefk> yes it's Fujitsu Siemens
[07:48] <jozefk> and I added PCI WiFi card also
[07:48] <jozefk> using it for 5 years now
[07:48] <jozefk> Linux is the only one OS on it for long time already
[07:49] <psycho_oreos> yeah the motherboard is most likely junk :) I have a somewhat similarly spec PC without the original motherboard (the parts came off a Dell computer). The end result was that I can do far more than what it originally came out of
[07:50] <jozefk> now it's 2011. where I will find a new MoBo for it :)) Only if I want to change the CPU also and everything. then better to throw it and buy a new one
[07:50] <jozefk> maybe i3 coz it's cheaper than i7 now :)
[07:50] <psycho_oreos> you're not going to be able to find a decent graphics card to work with PCIe 1x, that's nowhere as fast as the age old AGP slots
[07:51] <psycho_oreos> some shops still retail LGA775, at least where I live they still do. Of course its getting somewhat scarce
[07:52] <tomtit> Has anyone installed xubuntu 11.04 and what do they think of it?
[07:52] <jozefk> I think it would be wasting of time and money. even if I find something and fix, I don't expect it will last too long :)
[07:52] <jozefk> I installed and I think  it's perfect, tomtit
[07:53] <psycho_oreos> and without upgrading or spending any money on the computer, I'd say you have to start manually tweaking xorg.conf. You won't get great performance but you might get by with basics
[07:53] <jozefk> everything works but suddenly it's frozen
[07:53] <tomtit> Have ran the live cd but won't install until the weekend
[07:53] <psycho_oreos> the other option is to strictly live inside CLI realm
[07:55] <jozefk> and by the way, many many times I didn't switch off the PC for many days
[07:55] <jozefk> it was on 24/7
[07:55] <psycho_oreos> hmm thinking about, onboard video chip should have an option to allow one to choose to allocate however amount of RAM dedicated to the video chip. That option is normally available through BIOS, I'd also give that a shot
[07:55] <jozefk> CLI only is not sexy anymore
[07:55] <Unit193>  02:55:39 up 38 days,  8:12, 13 users,  load average: 0.52, 0.74, 0.83
[07:55] <jozefk> :))
[07:55] <Unit193> Full CLI isn't bad
[07:56] <psycho_oreos> without CLI, linux will be like windows where when GUI dies it just rolls over
[07:56] <jozefk> it's great for servers :))
[07:56] <psycho_oreos> its great for many things
[07:57] <jozefk> I mean the CLI only
[07:57] <jozefk> yeah i could try puppy or something
[07:57] <jozefk> some of those suggested already above ^
[07:57] <jozefk> Lubuntu or Slitaz
[07:57] <psycho_oreos> no with CLI only its also good for dealing with embedded devices as well such as routers, custom PCB, etc
[07:58] <jozefk> I think Lubuntu would be a good idea :)
[07:59] <psycho_oreos> have you checked inside the BIOS to see if there's an option to increase the amount of RAM dedicated to video chip?
[07:59] <jozefk> I think there is an option. I'm in the office at the moment. will be at home after few hours
[08:00] <jozefk> What about HDD? is there a tool to test the HDD health?
[08:00] <psycho_oreos> I do that and maybe allocate as much as I can, and then I'd tweak xorg.conf so that it'll work with i915 better such as double rendering, etc
[08:01] <psycho_oreos> usually if there's issue with hard disk, kernel will complain via dmesg
[08:01] <jozefk> I have no idead about tweaking the xorg.conf
[08:01] <jozefk> I got kernel panic with openSuse KDE live
[08:01] <Unit193> jozefk: Did you look at the logs?
[08:01] <jozefk> I thought it's opensuse fault :)
[08:01] <psycho_oreos> otherwise there's tools like smartctl which allows one to control S.M.A.R.T. functionality that's on the hard disk as well as reading up logs
[08:01] <jozefk> which logs?
[08:02] <Unit193> cat /var/log
[08:02] <Unit193> ls
[08:02] <Unit193> It's late...
[08:02] <jozefk> :)
[08:02] <jozefk> suse was not installed
[08:03] <jozefk> I insert the CD and got kernel panic. never saw anything from it
[08:03] <jozefk> the livecd
[08:03] <Unit193> Better then a DeadCD...
[08:04] <jozefk> I even blamed then for making a crap liveCD.. :( but it was my hardware now I see
[08:04] <jozefk> them*
[08:10] <jozefk> by the way one memory stick is 333 another is 400 but they worked together for long time so it should not be an issue
[08:13] <Unit193> You could also run sudo lshw
[08:14] <jozefk> that will only list the hardware
[08:16] <Unit193> I understand. That way if someone asks for a list, you have one
[08:29] <psycho_oreos> there's a tool known as memtest86+, useful for stress testing RAM
[08:29] <jozefk> I did that. 6 passes
[08:29] <Unit193> I think he did tat
[08:29] <jozefk> no error
[08:29] <jozefk> 6 passes took like 6 hours
[08:30] <psycho_oreos> my suspicion is around the video chip, if not it could be any number of controllers on the motherboard or the PSU dying
[08:32] <jozefk> I can try some of these http://pzt.me/4ig5
[08:32] <jozefk> but I think I'll just try lubuntu first or some other light distros
[08:36] <Unit193> And Xubuntu ;)
[08:37] <jozefk> xubuntu is on it right now
[08:37] <jozefk> it's freezing
[08:37] <jozefk> from time to time
[08:38] <jozefk> the X is freezing. XFCE
[08:49] <mikeatvillage> Anyone here who can help me with Skype & PulseAudio ?
[08:51] <jozefk> what's the problem?
[08:51] <vabigoon> hey, is that possible to use one swap with two linux distros?
[08:51] <jozefk> in the same time?
[08:51] <vabigoon> no
[08:51] <vabigoon> i have one swap
[08:51] <mikeatvillage> I can't seem to find how to get Skype to use my usb handset, only PulseAudio Server is showing
[08:51] <vabigoon> and xubuntu + for example openSUSE
[08:52] <vabigoon> should i made the second swap for SUSE
[08:52] <jozefk> not needed but you must to tell to suse manually during installation to use your existing swap
[08:53] <vabigoon> Ok, thank you for that piece of advice :)
[08:54] <jozefk> mikeatvillage how do you know your usb headset is working with linux?
[08:54] <corno> mikeatvillage:  i had the same prob the other day, and gave up
[08:55] <corno> i did "lsusb" and could see that it is being picked up
[08:55] <corno> Logitech USB audio, etc.
[08:55] <jozefk> that's the hardware info
[08:55] <jozefk> it doesnt' mean it will work
[08:55] <jozefk> Logitech usually works
[08:55] <corno> on a very old Ubuntu installation i had (7.10 i think) it just automatically picked up, and was also available in the Skype drop down box.
[08:56] <jozefk> but not all models I believe
[08:56] <corno> ah ok
[08:56] <jozefk> ok that's something
[08:56] <jozefk> so it's only the settings then. I guess
[08:56] <corno> let me test again, and at least see if i can get audacious to use the USB device
[08:57] <corno> and if that works, and Skype still doesn't pick it up, even after a Skype restart, then i'm out of a solution :)
[08:57] <jozefk> yeah skype is maybe stupid sometimes
[08:57] <corno> the skype version i have installed:  Architecture: i386
[08:57] <corno> Version: 2.2.0.25-1maverick1
[08:58] <mikeatvillage> It worked OK with Mepis. I eventually got it running on Xubuntu/Xfce the other day then trashed the system :-( Now reinstalled xubuntu and upgraded to 11.04 but can't remember what I did last time!
[08:58] <corno> do note that i'm running Xubuntu alpha 3, but i'm sure that can't be part of the prob though?
[08:59] <corno> let me go find that USB headset quickly and give this another shot, because i would love to be able to use it with skype, with my laptops default sound device the audio from my end is all crackly :(
[09:00] <jozefk> I use Logitech C200 webcam with built in mic. works like a charm both cam and mic with any linux
[09:00] <jozefk> :)
[09:00] <jozefk> it's USB of course
[09:00] <corno> :)
[09:02] <corno> i just plugged it in, /var/log/syslog output:
[09:02] <corno> Apr 29 10:01:39 sriltous kernel: [98306.948061] usb 6-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
[09:02] <corno> Apr 29 10:01:39 sriltous kernel: [98307.782140] usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio
[09:02] <fredrik_> Does xubuntu have those 3px scroll bars or is that just ubuntu?
[09:03] <TheSheep> fredrik_: just ubuntu
[09:03] <TheSheep> fredrik_: it's the new window manager in ubuntu
[09:04] <corno> jozefk:  i can confirm that in the Mixer interface one of the sound cards available is:  Logitech USB Headset (Alsa mixer)
[09:04] <fredrik_> Okay I was wondering because I didnt like unity so I installed xfce-desktop, but those are still at some places, the scrollbars.
[09:05] <jozefk> corno but in skype it's not appearing?
[09:05] <mikeatvillage> my Alsa mixer shows the usb OK, but Skype options only show PulseAudio
[09:05] <jozefk> do you have pulseaudio? is it really needed for skype?
[09:05] <jozefk> I mean the pulse
[09:05] <jozefk> PA
[09:06] <corno> jozefk:  only PulseAudio available in skype here as well
[09:07] <corno> jozefk:  and i can confirm in Audacious as well - no Logitech USB snd device available to choose
[09:07] <jozefk> then the problem is the setting with skype
[09:07] <jozefk> ah even audacious
[09:07] <jozefk> then I don't know
[09:07] <TheSheep> corno: try pydevchooser
[09:07] <TheSheep> corno: they just use pulseaudio
[09:07] <TheSheep> corno: padevchooser, sorry
[09:08] <corno> TheSheep:  thanks, let me install it quickly...
[09:11] <mikeatvillage> I have padevchooser but nothing seems to happen
[09:12] <TheSheep> mikeatvillage: it doesn't show the usb headset?
[09:13] <corno> TheSheep:  it doesn't show the usb headset here.
[09:14] <TheSheep> :/
[09:16] <corno> my pulseaudio version:  Version: 1:0.9.22+stable-queue-24-g67d18-0ubuntu3
[09:20] <mikeatvillage> no, nothing seems to happen. Could I uninstall the PA stuff to make things clearer?
[09:28] <MJBrune> I have a Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) sound chipset and I want to know if my mic will work in xubuntu but its not working right. How can I fix this?
[09:34] <Mark76> I've had it with Ubuntu. I'm installing Xubuntu
[09:34] <dezo> Hi guys, I've installed the new xubuntu and I'd like to run compiz with xfwm, Is it possible? After session start I start compiz with 'xfwm4' as the window decorator and it tells me that another window manager is already running (compiz obviously)
[09:35] <TheSheep> dezo: xfwm4 is not a window decorator
[09:35] <TheSheep> dezo: it's a window manager, you can either run xfwm4 or compiz, not both
[09:36] <Mark76> They should separate the desktop eye candy out from the windecs eye candy
[09:36] <dezo> I see, ok. And what's responsible for window decorations in xfce?
[09:36] <Mark76> Xfwm
[09:36] <Mark76> It does compositing as well
[09:37] <Mark76> Just not spinning cubes
[09:37] <dezo> so it's not possible to combine xfwm and compiz
[09:37] <Mark76> Nope
[09:37] <dezo> ok
[09:38] <Mark76> When's 11.04 out?
[09:38] <knome> Mark76, read the topic.
[09:38] <Mark76> Better hurry or it'll be 11.05
[09:38] <dezo> it's already out
[09:38] <dezo> yesterday
[09:39] <Mark76> Strange. When I went to the downloads page yesterday it was still in beta
[09:40] <knome> that's because xubuntu doesn't have a website editor that's paid for the work
[09:40] <Mark76> Ah!
[09:40] <corno> mikeatvillage & jozefk:  this is a good article about the USB snd issue - http://linuxundich.de/en/ubuntu/sounds-mit-pulseaudio-umleiten/
[09:41] <Mark76> Oh well. I'll just upgrade when I've finished
[09:41] <dezo> so the only way to use compiz with xfce is to use emerald instead of xfwm?
[09:41] <corno> bottom line for me though:  i just don't see the USB device in the interface, i'm sure jozefk does though ;)
[09:41] <Unit193> jozefk left (sleep time)
[09:42] <corno> Unit193:  oops, yeah, see only now:  jozefk has quit (Quit: by-bye)
[09:42] <corno> tx :)
[09:51] <Mark76> Restart time
[09:51] <Mark76> Byee
[10:08] <tomtit> morning all
[10:08] <tomtit> Tried to do a clean install from a live cd but it failed
[10:08] <tomtit> the reason being corrupt cd or hard drive?
[10:09] <tomtit> oh well
[10:34] <bin_bash> any ideas why the mic doesnt work
[10:51] <theholder> hi
[10:51] <bin_bash> hoi
[10:52] <theholder> i have lost the option on my start bar that shows my running programs
[10:52] <theholder> like
[10:52] <theholder> skype and xchat
[10:52] <bin_bash> okay
[10:52] <bin_bash> have you tried closing and reopening the programs
[10:52] <theholder> found it
[10:52] <theholder> -_-
[10:52] <bin_bash> :)
[10:53] <theholder> sorry to bother you
[10:53] <bin_bash> no prob
[10:53] <bin_bash> does the microphone in skype work for you
[10:56] <theholder> yus
[10:57] <bin_bash> hmmmm
[10:57] <bin_bash> is it an internal?
[10:57] <theholder> why?
[10:57] <bin_bash> mine doesnt work
[10:57] <theholder> erm
[10:57] <theholder> boost ur mic
[10:57] <theholder> using the mixer
[10:57] <bin_bash> yeah i did
[10:57] <bin_bash> like
[10:57] <theholder> o.O
[10:57] <bin_bash> the internal one doesnt stay selected
[10:57] <theholder> my mate had this issue
[10:57] <theholder> it was something to do with
[10:57] <theholder> the mic volume
[10:58] <bin_bash> hmm
[10:58] <bin_bash> idk it doesnt workj
[10:59] <well_laid_lawn> tried alsamixer in a terminal?
[10:59] <theholder> are you running xubuntu
[10:59] <bin_bash> yeah
[10:59] <theholder> did it work in 10.10
[11:00] <bin_bash> idk i wasn't using 10.10
[11:00] <bin_bash> but it worked in gnome
[11:00] <theholder> hmmm
[11:00] <bin_bash> yeah
[11:00] <bin_bash> so i'm not sure
[11:00] <bin_bash> like, it keeps trying to select line-in
[11:00] <nick-nack> fresh install of 11.04 x64 - cpu frequency scaling isn't working. any ideas how to fix it?
[11:01] <bin_bash> which would be in if I had a line-in
[11:01] <theholder> so is there no internal microphone
[11:02] <theholder> bin_bash:
[11:02] <bin_bash> no, there is
[11:02] <bin_bash> but i guess it's not recognizing or something
[11:02] <theholder> hmm
[11:03] <theholder> nick-nack: what error do you get
[11:04] <nick-nack> theholder - my fan's on all the time, and when adding cpufreq monitor plugin it said i didn't have any cpufreq modules
[11:05] <nick-nack> "Your system does not support cpufreq. The applet only shows the current cpu frequency"
[11:05] <well_laid_lawn> maybe the modules aren't enabled in the kernel
[11:05] <bin_bash> nick-nack: sounds lik a hardware problem
[11:06] <theholder> nick-nack: install pwmconfig
[11:06] <theholder> or fancontrol
[11:06] <theholder> then run pwmconfig as root
[11:06] <theholder> and restart
[11:06] <nick-nack> bin_bash fan control is working fine.
[11:06] <nick-nack> i've run pwmconfig and set everything up.
[11:06] <theholder> hmmm
[11:06] <nick-nack> problem is that the cpu is always running at full force
[11:06] <nick-nack> the machine worked fine with 10.10
[11:07] <nick-nack> cpu scaling worked
[11:07] <theholder> hmmm
[11:07] <theholder> sounds like a driver issue
[11:07] <well_laid_lawn> or kernel config
[11:07] <theholder> hmhmm
[11:08] <nick-nack> lsmod | grep freq shows nothing
[11:08] <nick-nack> i think i'm missing modules
[11:09] <well_laid_lawn> try sudo insmod -v powersave
[11:09] <nick-nack> insmod: can't read '-v': No such file or directory
[11:09] <theholder> hmm
[11:09] <theholder> second
[11:10] <bin_bash> theholder: I'm pretty sure it's a problem with xfce, since it worked in gnome
[11:10] <theholder> indeed it might be
[11:11] <bin_bash> doesnt make snse though
[11:11] <theholder> it does not
[11:12] <well_laid_lawn> my bad - sudo modprobe -v powersave   nick-nack
[11:12] <theholder> :P
[11:12] <nick-nack> WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/options, it will be ignored in a future release.
[11:12] <nick-nack> FATAL: Module powersave not found.
[11:12] <theholder> hmm
[11:13] <well_laid_lawn> kernel config most likely then
[11:14] <well_laid_lawn> !kernel
[11:14] <nick-nack> not sure. problem is there with stock 2.6.38-8 kernel shipped with 11.04. also tried 2.6.39 from a ppa. neither works
[11:15] <nick-nack> both claim missing modules
[11:18] <nick-nack> how does 11.04 handle frequency scalling? what is doing the scaling?
[11:50] <jozefk> how can I blank the CD-RW with xfburn?
[11:50] <jozefk> it says it can not access drive
[11:50] <jozefk> :P~
[11:50] <jozefk> what a stupid software is this
[11:50] <jozefk> maybe I'll bank it from terminal or something
[11:52] <TheSheep> perhaps you are not in the group that has access to the cdrom
[11:52] <jozefk> I'm the only one user on the PC
[11:53] <jozefk> cdrecord (wodim) is not installed
[11:54] <jozefk> ok it's installed now :)
[11:56] <jozefk> cdrskin is not installed
[11:57] <jozefk> even sudo cdrskin --devices says that device is busy
[11:57] <jozefk> andyway I'll blank it
[11:57] <TheSheep> perhaps the device is busy
[11:57] <jozefk> is this bin bash?
[11:57] <jozefk> :)
[11:57] <ste> Hi everyone, i have a problem with xubuntu
[11:57] <jozefk> device is not busy at all
[11:58] <TheSheep> ste: shoot
[11:58] <ste> i have version 10.10 installed but it sais advance at 10.4 in
[11:59] <jozefk> oh boy
[11:59] <jozefk> I'm giving up
[11:59] <jozefk> I can't blank/burn one simple CD
[11:59]  * TheSheep gives jozefk a large magnet
[11:59] <jozefk> maybe my hardware issue again
[12:03] <ste> so, in updates it says advance to ubuntu 10.4, i don't know why since i have version 10.10 and if i click it begins to install the new version and then find an unsolvable error
[12:03] <jozefk>  can I install some other burner? will it work?
[12:04] <TheSheep> ste: what error?
[12:04] <TheSheep> jozefk: you can, no idea if it will work
[12:05] <ste> wait, i'll copy it
[12:06] <TheSheep> use a pastebin please
[12:06] <jozefk> reboot
[12:10] <ste> Impossibile calcolare l'avanzamento
[12:10] <ste> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[12:10] <ste> Impossibile selezionare «xubuntu-desktop» per l'avanzamento
[12:10] <ste>  This can be caused by:
[12:10] <ste>  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[12:10] <ste>  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[12:10] <ste>  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[12:10] <ste> Se la causa non è tra queste, segnalare il bug per il pacchetto «update-manager» includendo nella segnalazione i file presenti in /var/log/dist-upgrade/.
[12:12] <ste> pastebin http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/600679/
[12:17] <ste> maybe i found out why
[12:17] <ste> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/756763
[12:17] <ste> i have the same problem of yours
[12:17] <mark76> No more Gnome for me
[12:18] <jpohl> i just upgraded to natty and now when i try to shutdown or restart it just takes me back to the login screen
[12:43] <mark76> That sounds odd jpohl
[12:43] <mark76> I have no idea what to do about it though
[12:43] <jpohl> hey at least somebody responded
[12:43] <mark76> Yeah. I was starting to feel sorry for you :(
[12:45] <mark76> Do you get the log out scrfeen?
[12:45] <jpohl> yes, the logout dialog if that's what you mean
[12:46] <mark76> So it's not just automagically logging you out then?
[12:46] <jpohl> it logs me out when i click logout, or rebtart, or shutdown
[12:46] <jpohl> *restart
[12:47] <mark76> Sounds like a bug
[12:47] <jpohl> i'm guessing something went wrong with the upgrade, maybe some permissions got lost
[12:47] <mark76> Could be
[12:48] <mark76> I upgraded to Ubuntu Natty yesterday and my monitor stopped working
[12:48] <jpohl> but if i try to run xfce4-session-logout as root, i get an error message
[12:48] <jpohl> "Failed to receive a reply from the session manage"
[12:49] <mark76> Have you tried shutting down from the log in screen?
[12:49] <mark76> It's not the ideal solution. But it's got to be better than nothing
[12:49] <jpohl> oh, no i hadn't thought of that
[12:49] <mark76> Well it's an option
[12:50] <jpohl> and it worked!
[12:50] <mark76> But you're still here :/
[12:50] <mark76> :-/
[12:50] <jpohl> yeah i'm on a different box here
[12:50] <mark76> Aha!
[12:50] <jpohl> in archlinux :-)
[12:50] <mark76> I'm upgrading Xubuntu right now
[12:51] <mark76> I downloaded 10.10 thinking 11.04 wasn't ready yet
[12:51] <mark76> I had to install an old Ubuntu to get it. Since my monitor wasn't working
[12:52] <mark76> And it wiped my home partition :'(
[12:52] <jpohl> ouch!
[12:52] <mark76> Yeah. Even though I used the set partitions manually option and told it not to format /home
[12:53] <mark76> The worst part was losing all the song lyrics I'd been writing
[12:53] <mark76> Which I now have to try to remember
[12:53] <jpohl> natty is really really slow to boot here
[12:53] <mark76> I'm still in Maverick
[12:53] <mark76> Until the upgrade has finished
[12:54] <jpohl> maverick booted up pretty quick for me
[12:54] <mark76> Yeah. Maverick was pretty good
[12:54] <jpohl> natty hangs for about a minute just unpacking the initrd
[12:54] <mark76> But Unity insisting on installing the Nvidia drivers was the final straw for me
[12:55] <jpohl> yeah that's crazy
[12:55] <mark76> I can't even use the Nvidia drivers. They just don't work with my monitor
[12:56] <jpohl> i have a tdfx graphics card and it still installed a whole bunch of nvidia stuff
[12:56] <mark76> That's not even the same thing, surely?
[12:56] <jpohl> not at all
[12:56] <mark76> That is crazy
[12:57] <jpohl> it's an ancient card, maybe before nvidia was even a company
[12:57] <mark76> Ah right
[12:57] <mark76> I just stick with the open source graphics driver
[12:58] <mark76> 3D acceleration isn't a major thing for me
[12:58] <jpohl> but the board has an intel graphics chip that xorg does not like at all
[12:58] <mark76> Ouch
[12:59] <mark76> 14 minutes of upgrade installation to go
[12:59] <jpohl> mine took about four hours total
[13:00] <TechnoFreak> Is this the right place to point out that it currently says 'Xubuntu Mirrors (11.04 Natty Meerkat):' on http://xubuntu.org/get ?
[13:00] <mark76> Hehe
[13:00] <TechnoFreak> Natty Meerket?
[13:00] <TechnoFreak> *kat
[13:00] <mark76> The ultimate halfway house
[13:00] <mark76> Simples
[13:00] <jpohl> maybe that's the problem all along
[13:01] <mark76> Who knows
[13:01] <jpohl> adjective/noun mismatch error
[13:01] <mark76> Hmm
[13:02] <mark76> 12 minutes
[13:06] <TheSheep> !natty
[13:07] <TechnoFreak> !maverick
[13:11] <mark76> 2 minutes
[13:12] <mark76> 1 minute
[13:14] <mark76> Cleaning up
[13:14] <TheSheep> Making tea
[13:15] <mark76> Restarting
[13:19] <Guest60796> hi
[13:20] <Guest60796> is anyone online?
[14:47] <syedomar> hii
[15:01] <charlie-tca> !hi | syedomar
[15:01] <syedomar> yo
[15:07] <sernylan> xubuntu 11.04 now installed.
[15:09] <syedomar> same here
[15:11] <sernylan> Did more than the usual distro shopping this upgrade cycle --  xubuntu looks here to stay.
[15:15] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu 9.10 is EOL today. If you are using it, please upgrade to 10.04.
[15:20] <sernylan> Exiting ubuntu 10.10,  Installed debian 6.0 for a day.  Tried ubuntu 11.04.  Attempted opensuse 11.4.  Here I am.
[15:28] <charlie-tca> Welcome to Xubuntu!
[15:29] <charlie-tca> We consider Xubuntu the best thing going, but we might be wrong sometimes :-)
[15:53] <surreal7z> Upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04  ... emerald not working?
[15:54] <surreal7z> i need to use xfwm4 :(
[15:55] <surreal7z> is there any solution?
[15:55] <charlie-tca> did you install compiz?
[15:55] <surreal7z> sure... compiz is working like before
[15:55] <surreal7z> in terminal  emerald --replace
[15:55] <surreal7z> Segmentation fault
[15:56] <charlie-tca> ouch
[15:56] <charlie-tca> not an expert on it, but it should be working, as far as I know.
[15:56] <charlie-tca> try a reboot, and if it does it again, file a bug?
[15:56] <surreal7z> rebooted... but I will try reinstalling it first
[15:57] <charlie-tca> thanks
[16:02] <surreal7z> not working :(  xfwm4 then... for now...
[16:04] <surreal7z> uf, now i realized that compiz doesnt work with xfwm4 :S  I have forgotten that...
[16:05] <surreal7z> is there any other window decorator which will work with compiz?
[16:05] <charlie-tca> It should work, do you have to do a compiz --replace first?
[16:05] <charlie-tca> Oh, no
[16:06] <charlie-tca> It won't work *with* xfwm4, it will replace it
[16:06] <surreal7z> yes
[16:17] <sernylan> Is there a GUI applications menu editor?  If I gotta do it by hand, no thing -- don't alter it that often -- but don't know where that's at either.
[16:18] <surreal7z> it seems that this bug with emerald was reported several times already while 11.04 was still alpha and beta... but... now... it wasn't fixed
[16:20] <surreal7z> sernylan, alacarte
[16:20] <surreal7z> first upgrade to xubuntu 11.04
[16:21] <surreal7z> didn't try it jet, but with XFCE 4.8 in 11.04 it should work with no problem
[16:21] <sernylan> surreal7z, 11.04, done.  thanks.
[16:23] <charlie-tca> sernylan: install alacarte and use it
[16:24] <charlie-tca> surreal7z: got any bug numbers? I will go poke some people and see what we can do
[16:24] <sernylan> charlie-tca.  good there.  On to the next minor adjustment.
[16:24] <charlie-tca> yeah, I should have read the log better
[16:28] <KM0201> can vino server run under xubuntu?  i've installed it, but can't get it to start (i've tried commands vino, and vino-server)
[16:30] <KM0201> come on, this should be an easy one.. :)
[16:31] <charlie-tca> I don't have an answer, hoping TheSheep will
[16:31] <KM0201> yeah.. i'm surprised vino-server didn't start it
[16:31] <surreal7z> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emerald/+bug/726229   i think this is it :p
[16:31] <bin_bash> I can't get my mic to work at all. It's all turned up in alsa, but it doesn't work in skype
[16:31] <charlie-tca> surreal7z: thanks
[16:32] <KM0201> hmm, well i think i got it to start with /usr/lib/vino/vino-server   but i'd like to get the "GUI" that Ubuntu has (set password, access protocols, etc..)
[16:32] <KM0201> bin_bash: did you set it to the proper mic in alsamixer?  it's possible it is set to use the "line in" and not the internal mic
[16:33] <KM0201> also make sure under preferences of skyp, you "turn off" allowing skype to control the device
[16:33] <bin_bash> KM0201: I set it to internal but it keeps going back to line-in
[16:34] <KM0201> bin_bash: are you setting it in alsamixer, or the GUI?
[16:34] <bin_bash> i'm using sound preferences
[16:35] <bin_bash> so, the GUI
[16:35] <KM0201> bin_bash: ok, open a terminal and type alsamixer
[16:35] <bin_bash> yeah everything is tuned up there
[16:35] <KM0201> ok.. now hit the tab key, and that should move you to "Capture"
[16:35] <KM0201> then use the "arrow key".. to go over to "input source".. and make sure that i set properly
[16:36] <bin_bash> it appears to be?
[16:36] <KM0201> bin_bash: what is "input' set to?
[16:36] <bin_bash> it says CAPTURE under Interal
[16:37] <bin_bash> I din't have an input thing
[16:37] <KM0201> you should have an "Input source"... it says internal there?
[16:37] <bin_bash> no
[16:37] <bin_bash> i dont have an "Input Source"
[16:37] <KM0201> hm,.
[16:37] <KM0201> and you're on capture, right?
[16:38] <bin_bash> yeah
[16:38] <KM0201> that doesn't make much sense
[16:38] <bin_bash> I have Surround, Line, Mic, S/PDIF, Capture, Internal, Rear Mic
[16:39] <KM0201> ok, did you disable letting skype control anything?
[16:39] <bin_bash> yeah
[16:39] <KM0201> also.. try turning the "capture" volume, down to like 50.. i've had issues before where i cranked it all the way up, and it didn't detect anything (why i don't know)
[16:41] <bin_bash> nope
[16:41] <KM0201> gotta be something in the settings there.
[16:41] <KM0201> just doesn't ake sense it would jsut "stop working"
[16:42] <bin_bash> remember it worked in gnome
[16:42] <KM0201> yeah, i remember
[16:42] <KM0201> thats what i'm saying, it's a setting somewhere
[16:43] <KM0201> ok, now just to be clear
[16:44] <KM0201> on alsamixer, you're on "F4 Capture".. right? (where it says view)
[16:44] <bin_bash> ...yes
[16:44] <KM0201> ok
[16:44] <KM0201> and whats your "Capture" set to?
[16:44] <bin_bash> 20
[16:44] <KM0201> ok... and whats "input source"?
[16:44] <bin_bash> there isn't one
[16:44] <KM0201> hmm
[16:46] <KM0201> bin_bash: ok, try this.
[16:46] <KM0201> click your sound applet, and choose 'sound preferences'
[16:47] <bin_bash> ok
[16:47] <KM0201> click "select controls
[16:47] <KM0201> and check all the boxes
[16:47] <bin_bash> yup
[16:47] <KM0201> now at the top
[16:47] <KM0201> wher eit says "sound card".. whats it say there?
[16:47] <bin_bash> HDA Intel PCH
[16:48] <KM0201> ok, and what are your other options there?
[16:48] <bin_bash> Playback: Internal blah lah
[16:48] <bin_bash> Capture: Monitor of internal audio analog something
[16:49] <KM0201> ok
[16:49] <bin_bash> Capture: Internal Audio Analog Stero
[16:49] <KM0201> now you should have a capture "tab" right?.. (if you checked all the boxes
[16:49] <bin_bash> yeah
[16:49] <KM0201> and you should have an options tab?
[16:49] <bin_bash> switches
[16:50] <KM0201> under options, does it let you choose your "input source"
[16:50] <bin_bash> no
[16:50] <bin_bash> it's just a bunch of IEC stuff with chek marks
[16:50] <KM0201> hmm
[16:51] <KM0201> i would try doing some different stuff under the "Sound Card".. change to some differnt things, and see if you can get the "capture" to show, and if you can set the device.
[16:51] <KM0201> if you haven't aolready
[16:51]  * KM0201 hates macs
[16:52] <KM0201> it's gotta be sometjing simple, especially given that it worked under Gnome.
[16:54] <bin_bash> ok
[16:54] <KM0201> lol
[16:55] <bin_bash> stupid internet
[16:55] <bin_bash> so i found this bug report
[16:55] <bin_bash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/752792
[16:55] <bin_bash> but the patch is for a vaio
[16:55] <bin_bash> and it says that it should be in the updated kernel
[16:56] <bin_bash> what do these little chain-link buttons do
[16:56] <KM0201> i believe they separate right/left
[16:57] <bin_bash> oh
[16:57] <bin_bash> no they sync the two volume things
[16:58] <KM0201> oh ok.
[16:58] <bin_bash> well crap
[16:58] <KM0201> if you have the same devie that is listed in that bug.
[16:58] <KM0201> you could try applaying the patch
[16:58] <bin_bash> ok
[16:59] <KM0201> i'm not sure at all how you would apply it though
[16:59] <bin_bash> yeah
[16:59] <KM0201> and they don't really give details on that page on how to apply it
[17:01] <KM0201> maybe charlie-tca knows.. not sure if he's around or not.
[17:02] <KM0201> vino-preferences ! that was what i needed
[17:04] <zenrox> tat patch you have to compile the source your self after you apply the path
[17:04] <zenrox> patch
[17:05] <KM0201> well that kinda sucks.
[17:05] <zenrox> its a pain
[17:05] <zenrox> but it can be done
[17:06] <KM0201> yeah.. now when you say "compile the source".. you mea compile the source ont he patch, and then apply it?
[17:06] <KM0201> that probably wouldn't be to bad
[17:06] <zenrox> and if you read lator that patch is in kernel 2.6.38
[17:06] <KM0201> zenrox: yeah, thats what we were trying to figure out.
[17:06] <KM0201> i'm guessing her machine has that kernel(at least)
[17:06] <zenrox> quick test to find out
[17:07] <bin_bash> I have the 2.38 pae i reckon
[17:07] <bin_bash> how do i chekc
[17:07] <bin_bash> i wasn't paying that close attnetion during isntall
[17:07] <KM0201> bin_bash: uname -r should tell you
[17:07] <zenrox> open synaptic and search for linux and see what the latest kernel-generic ver is at
[17:07] <bin_bash> 2.6.38-8
[17:07] <zenrox> os[zenrox@zens, Linux 2.6.38-8-generic i686]
[17:07] <zenrox> that is natty kernel
[17:07] <KM0201> ya
[17:07] <zenrox> so that patch is applied
[17:08] <bin_bash> zenrox: it's so much easier to use the terminal lol
[17:08] <zenrox> ya
[17:08] <zenrox> but thare are more than one way to skin a cat so to speek
[17:08] <bin_bash> indeed
[17:09] <bin_bash> it's just funny because my other linux friends are like "wat ubuntu? do ytou had the command line?"
[17:09] <bin_bash> and I'm like "NO I always have liek 2 terminals open"
[17:09] <KM0201> lol
[17:09] <zenrox> i usual just to a tty
[17:09] <zenrox> jump
[17:10] <KM0201> zenrox: strange thing was, it worked fine for her in 11.04
[17:10] <bin_bash> ^
[17:10] <KM0201> *regular ubuntu 11.04
[17:10] <bin_bash> I reckon it's a problem with xfce
[17:10] <KM0201> thats why i'm convinced its a setting somewhere, that we're just not seeing
[17:10] <bin_bash> yeah
[17:11] <Sysi> log is waay too long, what's the problem?
[17:11] <bin_bash> Sysi: mic doesn't work
[17:11] <bin_bash> everything is turned up
[17:11] <bin_bash> what is this? i don't even...
[17:11] <zenrox> bin_bash, i wonder if its an old artiface config some whare in your/home dir thats causing yor prob
[17:11] <Sysi> in alsamixer? do you have pulseaudio?
[17:12] <bin_bash> yah
[17:12] <bin_bash> zenrox: that's possible
[17:12] <Sysi> if you're using pulse, get pavucontrol
[17:12] <KM0201> zenrox: .. you might be on to something... cuz she imported her 40gig home yesterday..lol (and you guys made fun of me..loL)
[17:12] <KM0201> and it was from ubuntu 11.04
[17:13] <zenrox> do bin_bash find all the .config dir and clear it out (you will have to reset up your programs the way you wanted) but it might help
[17:13] <KM0201> never heard of pavucontrol ::installing now::
[17:14] <bin_bash> ok
[17:14] <bin_bash> ok might be fixing it
[17:14] <KM0201> pauvcontrol might help.. cuz you can test the mic as you make changes
[17:15] <KM0201> good call Sysi .. never even heard of that
[17:15] <charlie-tca> bin_bash: looks like you would have to re-compile alsa to make the patch work
[17:15] <sernylan> I have four fixed drive partitions mounted on special occasions.  Way to give those more descriptive names?  Even "sdb2" and "sdb3" would beat both showing up as "730 GB Filesystem."
[17:15] <KM0201> charlie-tca: yeah, but according to that bug report, the patch should already be in her kernel so..
[17:15] <zenrox> charlie-tca, ya you do but it is all ready in the kernel
[17:15] <bin_bash> i got it lol
[17:16] <KM0201> Sysi: wins the prize
[17:16] <KM0201> lol
[17:16] <KM0201> what was wrong?
[17:16] <bin_bash> Yeah. Sysi  you win broski
[17:16] <bin_bash> who know
[17:16] <KM0201> lol
[17:16] <charlie-tca> so I am w-a-a-a-a-y behind still?
[17:16] <zenrox> frying pans who knew?
[17:16] <bin_bash> input devices was set to analong line-in
[17:16] <bin_bash> recording was muted
[17:16]  * KM0201 said that like 40min ago..lol
[17:16] <bin_bash> Yeah but I had no way to access it before
[17:16] <bin_bash> :P
[17:16] <Sysi> it's still kinda bad to have pulseaudio without real control to it
[17:17] <KM0201> yeah
[17:17] <zenrox> agreed
[17:17] <bin_bash> Sysi: yeah it is
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Sysi: give us a bug report against xubuntu-meta to add that?
[17:18] <bin_bash> Now all I need is to get the backlit keyboard to work, and I'm good to go
[17:18] <bin_bash> oh and a wireless driver would be nice
[17:18] <bin_bash> *coughcoughBROADCOMcoughcough*
[17:18] <Sysi> charlie-tca: i could.. if there's space left on the install disk
[17:18] <KM0201> lol.
[17:18] <charlie-tca> I will make space
[17:19] <KM0201> bin_bash: the broadcom will eventually work.. you'll probably just have to hold your horses, not everyone goes out and buys a mac that just hit the shelves 2 weeks ago, and tries to install linux on it.
[17:19] <charlie-tca> We will just throw out another language pack, I guess
[17:19] <bin_bash> >implying I bought it
[17:19] <KM0201> true.
[17:19] <charlie-tca> bin_bash: try the b43 drivers instead of the STA
[17:19] <KM0201> i think we did, when she had ubuntu
[17:19] <bin_bash> charlie-tca: nah they don't work. everyone on the ubuntu forums has been trying everything
[17:19] <bin_bash> I have this adapter for now
[17:19] <bin_bash> it works just fine
[17:20] <charlie-tca> weird. The reports I read said blacklist that STA that is default
[17:20] <zenrox> i love my ath5k
[17:21] <bin_bash> charlie-tca: it might be, but we tried a different driver before
[17:21] <KM0201> zenrox: but ath5k, used to be a pain..
[17:22] <KM0201> i remember w/ ubuntu 7.04 i had to patch my wireless device, etc.. to make it work... cuz it always got detected wrong (ar5007)
[17:22] <zenrox> yep
[17:22] <zenrox> i know
[17:22] <Sysi> ath9k works, just little configuring..
[17:22] <zenrox> KM0201, i had to do that aswell
[17:22] <bin_bash> If anyone has any tips on the backlit keyboard, that would be awesome.
[17:23] <bin_bash> It worked out of the box with gnome
[17:23] <bin_bash> and unity
[17:23] <zenrox> bin_bash, something at loaded on xubuntu
[17:23] <zenrox> at=ant
[17:23] <KM0201> zenrox: it made me grateful for the days whenj i start the ubunjtu live CD, and wireless "just works"
[17:23] <bin_bash> what
[17:23] <sernylan> omigosh!  Sweep looks like it works with padsp!  This can't last...
[17:23] <Sysi> ubuntu wiki has instructions, i think there said to use some daemon
[17:24] <KM0201> hmmm
[17:24] <bin_bash> lol all my wine programs installed
[17:24] <KM0201> "all"?   how many do you need
[17:25] <bin_bash> OVER9000
[17:25] <zenrox> WHAT?
[17:25] <KM0201> lol
[17:25] <bin_bash> jk
[17:25] <bin_bash> I have like 4
[17:25] <bin_bash> that i don't use
[17:25] <bin_bash> because they don't work
[17:25] <KM0201> zenrox: i don't think you quite get her sense of humor..
[17:25] <zenrox> i have about 4 too 3 are games
[17:25] <zenrox> KM0201, no i get it
[17:25] <KM0201> 1.. Pokerstars :)
[17:25] <zenrox> trust me
[17:25] <bin_bash> 1 is kindle (doesn't work)
[17:26] <bin_bash> 1 is greasemetal (dunno what that is)
[17:26] <bin_bash> 1 is registry editor
[17:26] <bin_bash> 1 is efax
[17:26] <KM0201> registry editor?
[17:26] <bin_bash> and then a DRM converter
[17:26] <bin_bash> Yeah
[17:26] <bin_bash> I was going to vnc into another computer and DESTROY THE REGISTRY MUAHAHAHAHAHA
[17:26] <bin_bash> but i never got around to it
[17:26] <KM0201> lol
[17:26] <KM0201> http://www.mabishu.com/blog/2010/06/24/macbook-pro-keyboard-backlight-keys-on-ubuntu-gnulinux/
[17:27] <zenrox> civ4, uplink(the linuxver dont want to fix itto run nativly), dvdfab8,teamviewer
[17:27] <KM0201> i don't know if that will work for your mac or not
[17:27] <KM0201> zenrox: thats right, i forgot teamviewers linux version uses Wine (which makes no sense)_... so i have two apps.
[17:27] <zenrox> yep
[17:27] <bin_bash> holy cow... right clicking made ff insane
[17:27] <Sysi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro
[17:28] <bin_bash> omg KM0201  thank you... this is what i was doing in lynx
[17:28] <zenrox> bbl gots to go to the foodbank
[17:28] <KM0201> bin_bash: well fi it worked in lucid, it stands to logic it should work in natty (but wasn't that a different mac?)
[17:28] <bin_bash> yeah 5,1
[17:28] <bin_bash> =/
[17:29] <KM0201> hmm
[17:29] <KM0201> well, hopefully it will still work
[17:30] <sernylan> Nope, "padsp sweep" doesn't last.  Seemed to work with a mono audio file, but stereo files playback with a load of static.
[17:30] <bin_bash> what's the command to change a file name?
[17:30] <sernylan> bin_bash mv
[17:31] <KM0201> i was just gonna say, that it would be annoying having to type yoru password anytime you ran that script
[17:31] <KM0201> but it looks lik ehe addressed that later in the page
[17:31] <anonyme> hi everybody
[17:31] <KM0201> hello anonyme
[17:33] <anonyme> I'm running Xubuntu 11.04 x86_64
[17:33] <sernylan>  I'm running Xubuntu 11.04 x86_64
[17:33] <KM0201> I'm running Xubuntu 11.04 x86
[17:33] <KM0201> thought we were going for a trend
[17:33] <bin_bash> >mfw I didn't have the mactel PPA :|
[17:34] <KM0201> bin_bash: mactel ppa?
[17:34] <anonyme> this xubuntu release is really perfect (I did never tried the previous releases 10.10
[17:34] <Sysi> natty <3
[17:35] <bin_bash> I don't know about perfect, but it's decent
[17:35] <sernylan> I've been running xubuntu 10.10 on my eee netbook.  This is the first time on the flagship home machine.
[17:36]  * KM0201 is pretty happy with it.
[17:36] <KM0201> well, i go guys.. hollah later
[17:36] <bin_bash> nooooooooo
[17:36] <bin_bash> i can't fetch the mactel ppa
[17:36] <KM0201> lol
[17:37] <bin_bash> >unable to connect to ppa.launchpad.net
[17:37] <bin_bash> grrr
[17:38] <anonyme> install finished, bye
[17:39] <bin_bash> hmmm
[17:44] <charlie_> hi, i just installed xubuntu 11.04 all is perfect except xubuntu mounts my window volume at sart up and puts an icon on my desk. I dont want that, how can i fix it?
[17:45] <Arpad2> hello
[17:45] <charlie_> hi
[17:47] <Arpad2> my screesaver disappeared after distro upgrade
[17:47] <sernylan> Arpad2, your specific hack or the whole application?
[17:48] <sernylan> Arpad2, because some of them are packaged as extras.
[17:49] <Arpad2> sernylan: well, synaptic shows its installed, but I cant't find it under Applications>Settings
[17:50] <sernylan> Arpad2, look in settings > settings manager
[17:52] <Arpad2> sernylan: ok :)
[17:52] <charlie_> When you start xubuntu, are your Windows ntfs partitions present on the desk?
[17:54] <Arpad2> charlie_: no
[17:54] <charlie_> xubuntu does this automatically, very annoying
[17:58] <corno> brb, need to install Xubuntu 11.04 final, is time to shelve this alpha 3 version i'm running :)
[17:59] <zenrox> corno, if you just use update-manager
[17:59] <zenrox> it will be the final
[18:01] <corno> is the "Not all updates can be installed" message normal?
[18:01] <corno> i can only perform a partial upgrade it seems.
[18:01] <zenrox> do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:01] <zenrox> that should fix that
[18:02] <corno> ah, cool
[18:02] <corno> ouput:  532 upgraded, 22 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:02] <corno> Need to get 315 MB of archives.
[18:02] <zenrox> and corno it spits out that message when it cant upgrade the kernel and maby a few otherresdiant apps
[18:03] <corno> zenrox:  thanks
[18:03] <zenrox> n/p
[18:03] <zenrox> corno, but go d/l the iso for xubuntu and burn it so you have a hard copy
[18:04] <corno> done that already, earlier today.
[18:04] <zenrox> good
[18:05] <corno> zenrox:  was actually about to install from the ISO now, but guess that is rather drastic, the re-installation option.
[18:05] <sernylan> Because you're probably unfamiliar, sweep is an audio editor with a couple badazz AFAIK elsewhere unavailable features.
[18:05] <sernylan> But not working here by default.  Need to determine if just a configuration issue, or what level to direct a bug report.
[18:05] <zenrox> yep corno that is drastic
[18:06] <corno> zenrox:  been using alpha 3 only for a week, but done enough in the past 6 days not to go through a whole backup procedure, again :)
[18:08] <corno> thanks for tips
[18:08] <zenrox> corno, n/p that is why we are here
[18:11] <ubuntu_> this is a test
[18:11] <charlie-tca> ubuntu_: Test is working
[18:12] <sernylan> Sweep fails "unable to open /dev/dsp."  Device preference can be altered, but not sure what options are available.  "padsp sweep" gets playback with heavy static.
[18:13] <ubuntu_> natty does not support nvidia-96 :-(
[18:13] <ubuntu_> max resolution limited to 1024x768 :-(((
[18:17] <bin_bash> ubuntu_: at least it's not 800x600
[18:17] <bin_bash> lulz
[18:18] <ubuntu_> max resolution limited to 1024x768 :-(((
[18:18] <ubuntu_> i'll stick to 10.04 for a while
[18:19] <ubuntu_> but must admit that xfce 4.8 and greylight look awesome
[18:19] <corno> surely that is a setup issue on your side and not natty?
[18:19] <corno> my samsung syncmaster can go to max 1920x1080
[18:20] <bin_bash> ubuntu_: are you using the livecd?
[18:20] <corno> is a 19" monitor
[18:20] <charlie-tca> nvidia dropped support for the -96, AFAIR
[18:20] <corno> nope, alpha 3
[18:21] <ubuntu_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nvidia-drivers-ubuntu/+bug/741930
[18:21] <ubuntu_> did a complete set-up
[18:22] <ubuntu_> on pc as only OS
[18:22] <charlie-tca> does additional drivers give the option to install the experimental driver?
[18:23] <ubuntu_> Nope ... tried that
[18:23] <ubuntu_> also tried to install the package from nvidia website ... followed by complete crash
[18:23] <charlie-tca> yup, can't install those anymore
[18:24] <charlie-tca> best bet is 10.04 for now, until that bug gets fixed
[18:25] <ubuntu_> Other problem: no backlight on laptop with intel GMA4500
[18:25] <ubuntu_> so dancing in the dark.. :-(((
[18:26] <ubuntu_> that one is running from livecd
[18:26] <ubuntu_> current os on that laptop is  ubuntu 10.04 LTS and works like a charm
[18:35] <bin_bash> guise it's sudo apt-get upgrade amirite
[18:35] <bin_bash> sudo apt-get update && upgrade?
[18:39] <Unit193> bin_bash: Full string "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[18:39] <bin_bash> thansk
[18:43] <charlie-tca> with the small reminder that packages like the kernel get held with "upgrade". You need "dist-upgrade" once in a while to get those, too.
[18:43] <bin_bash> Yeah... apparently this computer-illiterate girl I know is using ubuntu
[18:46] <charlie-tca> heh, we all start somewhere... :-)
[18:55] <jozefk> is it possible to install xubuntu and to add lxde and to make it as a default DE and to have all thing working what was also working in xfce of the same system?
[18:56] <jozefk> things*
[18:56] <charlie-tca> couldn't really say. It depends on whether or not lxde allows that
[18:56] <jozefk> because lubuntu doesn't want to start at all from liveCD
[18:57] <charlie-tca> you could install lubuntu-desktop
[18:57] <jozefk> I need pulseaudio to work in lxde
[18:57] <jozefk> lubuntu-desktop? to install from xubuntu?
[18:58] <charlie-tca> You are asking in the wrong channel. We don't support lxde
[18:58] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:58] <charlie-tca> that's the lubuntu environment
[18:58] <jozefk> I think I must to try that
[18:59] <Unit193> --no-install-recommends (If that's right?) may help
[18:59] <Sysi> pulseaudio works under DE, just get pavucontrol to managing it
[19:00] <jozefk> no install recommends?
[19:01] <Unit193> It installs less things you shouldn't need
[19:03] <jozefk> I found out lxde is not freezing on my PC but if I install it over XFCE I'm still not sure though
[19:03] <Unit193> You could install from the mini.iso
[19:03] <jozefk> install what?
[19:04] <Unit193> Full Lubuntu if this doesn't work
[19:04] <charlie-tca> !lubuntu
[19:04] <charlie-tca> please...
[19:04] <jozefk> lubuntu doesn't want to start. what is mini.iso?
[19:04] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I think he wants Xubuntu with LXDE
[19:05] <jozefk> ok i'll go to lubuntu
[19:05] <jozefk> i want lubuntu but the liveCD is not working
[19:05] <charlie-tca> then it won't be Xubuntu
[19:06] <charlie-tca> then support should be in #lubuntu. they are experts on their release
[19:07] <charlie-tca> me hopes it works for jozefk, though. He hates when the system isn't really useful.
[19:07] <jozefk> :))
[19:07] <jozefk> I want perfect system. like xubuntu for example
[19:07] <jozefk> but it is freezing :(
[19:07] <jozefk> same with KDE
[19:08] <charlie-tca> I agree with that. It is not so good when it freezes.
[19:09] <corno> zenrox:  thanks for sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.  all done, made a world of difference. gone is alpha 3 without re-installation :)
[19:29] <sernylan> Is there a way to determine what build options were used in compiling a package?
[19:30] <sernylan> Er, not the package, but the binary contained therein.
[19:39] <ericbutters> hi. i got freeze of xubuntu 11.04 after about 15 minutes. machine is intel centrino based laptop. any idea?
[19:39] <jozefk> what is the graphic card?
[19:39] <jozefk> I got the same thing
[19:40] <ericbutters> need 5 minutes.. need to boot machine..
[19:44] <ericbutters> jozefk graphic card is mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML
[19:48] <rsajdok|away> j /#ayatana
[19:48] <philippe> Hi all
[19:49] <philippe> Any problems I should know about 11.04 before i upgrade here?
[19:49] <ericbutters> philippe i get freeze after about 15min on my laptop
[19:49] <charlie-tca> please read the release notes, at least. some people find their systems freeze often after natty
[19:50] <ericbutters> charlie-tca ok i give a try
[19:50] <philippe> ohhhhhh Freeze is not good. This is my production laptop
[19:50] <charlie-tca> ericbutters: that was meant for philippe
[19:51] <charlie-tca> I don't know if anything can be done about the freezing at this point.
[19:51] <philippe> ericbutters What is your laptop spec?
[19:51] <philippe> and do you get freezing using XFCE
[19:51] <ericbutters> yes xfce
[19:52] <ericbutters> intel centrino
[19:52] <ericbutters> graphic card is mobile 915GM
[19:53] <philippe> What is the freeze like?
[19:54] <philippe> do the caps lock lights, numpad light start flashing ?
[19:54] <philippe> Or does the screen become garbled?
[19:54] <charlie-tca> or does it freeze when the screensaver is running?
[19:55] <philippe> or the mouse freeze on the screen and you have to hard shutdown the laptop?
[19:57] <ericbutters> mouse is moving.. but no reaction to any request by mouse click.. if freeze came in chromium-browser- here mouse cursers remains as "click-on-link" icon
[19:58] <ericbutters> .. but i need to hard shutdown laptop
[19:59] <philippe> Oh right
[19:59] <philippe> Doesn't sound graphic card related
[19:59] <ericbutters> ah ok.. some idea?
[19:59] <Unit193> The freeze seems to have been fixed before full release for me
[20:00] <philippe> Not sure if I can help cos I haven't had that kind of freeze eric
[20:00] <ericbutters> i installed release 11.04
[20:00] <ericbutters> philippe ok :) thx anyway
[20:02] <ericbutters> i think i go back to xubuntu 10.10 and install xfce4.8
[20:41] <Drmgiver> So, I went Xubuntu in protest of Unity.... All I can say is I should have done this years ago.  Talk about FAST.
[20:45] <corno> Drmgiver:  very yes :)
[20:46] <Drmgiver> There are a few things I miss from GNOME.  A big one being able to rearrange application buttons on the task bar.  But I can deal with out them.
[20:53] <Sysi> Drmgiver: that works in 11.04
[20:53] <charlie-tca> !info python
[21:36] <xubuntu879> hello
[21:37] <xubuntu879> xfce needs aneasy way to move icons ni the bar.
[21:37] <xubuntu879> ¿any interesant improves in ubuntu 11 for xubuntu distribution?
[21:37] <Sysi> xubuntu 11.04 has easy way for that
[21:37] <Sysi> right click → move
[21:38] <xubuntu879> Sysi, I mean
[21:38] <xubuntu879> drag and drop into the
[21:38] <xubuntu879> applications menu for example to the main toolbar
[21:38] <Sysi> drag'n drop from menu works too
[21:38] <xubuntu879> and if keep control key, make a copy.
[21:38] <xubuntu879> not in my 10.04lts
[21:38] <Sysi> in 11.04 it does
[21:39] <xubuntu879> ok, Downloading now.
[21:39] <xubuntu879> :)
[21:39] <xubuntu879> is not a joke, i'll be back, i'm in the middle of installation of 10.04 :)
[21:39] <xubuntu879> bye
[21:40] <DeM0nFiRe> Is the x86_64 xubuntu multilib or pure 64 bit?
[21:41] <Sysi> same as ubuntu, all 64
[21:41] <Sysi> you can run 32bit apps if needed, but everything OSS is available 64bit
[21:42] <DeM0nFiRe> Well
[21:42] <DeM0nFiRe> I am actually doing a CLFS
[21:42] <DeM0nFiRe> So I am just wondering if I will be able to chroot a multilib CLFS from 64 bit xubuntu
[22:13] <Sysi> natty, i can't get terminal to open links in chromium
[22:13] <Sysi> i set it as default, what else should i check?
[22:14] <xubuntu670> Here again, now with ubuntu 11.04 :) looks better
[22:15] <KM0201> xubuntu670: congrats
[22:15] <xubuntu670> jajaj thankyou, still installing
[22:16] <KM0201> xubuntu670: don't count your chickens befoer their hatched..lol
[22:16] <xubuntu670> will see if I can move and drag & drop and copy items between the topbar and menus
[22:16] <xubuntu670> jajaj
[22:16] <xubuntu670> ok
[22:17] <xubuntu670> Amazing xubuntu, i was always with default gnome based ubuntu... bug for run eclipse and other software, always loose a lot user
[22:17] <xubuntu670> time, xfce is just faster. i guess
[22:17] <xubuntu670> the memory compsuntion will be the same.
[22:17] <xubuntu670> let see.
[22:18] <KM0201> xubuntu670: i kinda "put off" changing to xfce.. it wasn't tat i didn't like it (i had a little experience with it back w/ xfce 3)..
[22:19] <KM0201> it was just i was so used to gnome.. unfortunately, my laptop isn't getting any younger.. and Unity just made things very slow.. and it looks like Gnome 3 is gonna be pretty similar to Unity.. this isn't the fault of ubuntu, just a cold reality my laptop faces, so i decided it was time to go give xfce or lxde a try again
[22:19] <KM0201> and having been using it af ew days, i'm really happy w/ xfce
[22:19] <KM0201> i just wish there was a friggin menu editor
[22:19] <KM0201> that drives me crazy
[22:20] <xubuntu670> ok
[22:20] <xubuntu670> will see this new 11.04 how play
[22:20] <KM0201> you'll be pretty happy with it if you're fond of Gnome 2, or if you have no linux experience at all w/ the other GUI's
[22:21] <KM0201> or if you jsut like something that is between bare naked (openbox and flux) and "all pretty like" (gnome and kde)
[22:21] <xubuntu670> and what about memory
[22:22] <xubuntu670> gnome 2 was arround 200mb
[22:22] <xubuntu670> and click time response sucks
[22:22] <xubuntu670> a little bit
[22:22] <KM0201> xfce will be easier on memory.. i'm sure of that.. one thing i found though, was disabling compositing, REALLY made a difference
[22:22] <xubuntu670> ok, its a vmware machine, composite is avoidable :)
[22:23] <xubuntu670> ill do in that way
[22:23] <KM0201> i honestly didn't even know xfce had compositing, and i saw it did.. and i disabled it.. and honestly, i've noticed very little difference in how my laptop "works"(everything still looks the same), and it is definitely more responjsive.
[22:23] <KM0201> why ar eyou putting it in vmware?(just curious)
[22:24] <xubuntu670> I'm creating a course of ZK framework, some exercices
[22:24] <KM0201> ic
[22:24] <xubuntu670> and the environment has to be cost free
[22:24] <xubuntu670> xubuntu seams to be ideal
[22:24] <xubuntu670> ok, now im restarting
[22:24] <KM0201> sounds like it.;
[22:24] <xubuntu670> installation finished.
[22:24] <KM0201> do you have any linux experience?
[22:25] <xubuntu670> something :)
[22:25] <xubuntu670> non desktop
[22:25] <xubuntu670> always server
[22:25] <Sysi> KM0201: i have never notices xfce compositing affecting anything :o
[22:25] <xubuntu670> aix, redhat, debian, solaris.
[22:25] <Sysi> *noticed
[22:25] <KM0201> Sysi: i only noticed it, cuz i watched my cpu, and notice it would go to points where it got fairly high.
[22:25] <xubuntu670> I'll back when this restart- i'll try to use my nick franciscoferri
[22:25] <xubuntu670> thanks bye
[22:26] <KM0201> nothing huge.. just.. strange... so while looking through windows tweaks, i saw the compositing option
[22:26] <Sysi> KM0201: i don't and i have atom n270 ans cpugraph in panel
[22:26] <KM0201> and honestly since then, even while watching a movie or using skype... my cpu hasn't went over 35-40%
[22:26] <Sysi> but yeah i think it can cause little difference
[22:27] <Sysi> natty says: aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libsigc-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:27] <KM0201> like i said, it was enough i noticed how the desktop responded w/o compositing, vs with.... that i noticed it
[22:28] <KM0201> hmm
[22:28] <KM0201> i also love parole media player..lol
[22:29] <KM0201> i'd never used that on Gnome... very slick
[22:29] <Sysi> i installed ia32-libs that provides it, everything aptitude recommends and rebooted
[22:29] <KM0201> it's taken VLC's place as my fav
[22:29] <Sysi> i like GUI of gnome-mplayer
[22:30] <Sysi> but i need my aptitude, apt sucks
[22:30] <KM0201> i always use apt-get...
[22:32] <KM0201> only thing about parole media player,l is i wish it had a way to "hide controls"..
[22:32] <KM0201> its either Full screen w/o controls, or a window w/ controls
[22:35] <franciscoferri> still alive :)
[22:35] <franciscoferri> installation finished
[22:35] <franciscoferri> drag & drop working
[22:36] <KM0201> good
[22:37] <franciscoferri> working very fast
[22:37] <franciscoferri> confortable
[22:37] <maverick> is emerald not working in 11.04, im getting a segfault...
[22:37] <KM0201> !emerald
[22:37] <KM0201> maverick: emerald has been obsolte for a while.
[22:37] <maverick> so basically i cannot use compiz on xubuntu?
[22:38] <KM0201> maverick: i don't know why you couldn't.. but it makes no sense to me
[22:38] <KM0201> you'd have to install ccsm
[22:38] <maverick> km0201: xfwm4 works with compiz?
[22:38] <KM0201> maverick: i don't know why it wouldn't (maybe i'm missing something)
[22:39] <maverick> km0201: i'll try a few things out and let you know, thanks for now :)
[22:39] <drc> It was discussed here earlier today and I think it was decided that the two were mutually exclusive.
[22:41] <KM0201> drc: it doesn't make sense to me, but i imagine you could get i tto work
[22:41] <KM0201> now i'm getting tempted to try it
[22:41] <drc> KM0201: I wasn't paying attention to the decussion, but I remember the ending....
[22:42] <KM0201> drc: so they said it couldn't be done?
[22:43] <drc> "They" said "they" couldn't...ask charlie-tca the next time you see him.
[22:43] <drc> I was busy playing with a new 64bit install, so I wasn't really paying close attention.
[22:45] <Sysi> xfwm4 doesn't work with compiz, but there is some other than emerald for drawing decorations too
[22:45] <Sysi> gtk-window-decorator iirc
[22:45] <KM0201> Sysi: yeah, i was just realizing ccsm doesn't work.. :)
[22:45] <KM0201> for the better.. apt-get remove now..lol
[22:46] <Sysi> pain to remove synaptic with apt-get
[22:46] <KM0201> why would i remove synaptic?
[22:46] <Sysi> for not needing it?
[22:46] <KM0201> it shouldn't be that difficult to remove to be truthful
[22:47] <Sysi> for some reason it wants to install half of kde when doing that, when i added apport-gtk, ubufox  xul-ext-ubufox it worked as should
[22:47] <KM0201> oh... you wanna install the aptitude GUI..
[22:48] <KM0201> yeah, it'll wanna install a bunch o KDE stuff w/ that
[22:50] <Sysi> well i'll end up with almost entire kde and gnome.. but still
[22:51] <KM0201> yeah
[22:51] <KM0201> why not just use synaptic/apt-get?  i mean, there's not really that much difference between apt-get and aptitude
[22:52] <Sysi> big enough, and i'm using apt-get because aptitude doesn't work
[22:53] <KM0201> ic
[22:54] <knome> Sysi, you're such a nitpicking crybaby
[22:54] <knome> ;)=
[22:54] <DeM0nFiRe> What's the = is that a wierd beard?
[22:54] <Sysi> i'll file a bug if that won't fix itself, working on beta-installed natty machine
[22:54] <knome> yes, it's my beard
[22:55] <DeM0nFiRe> Your beard is weird
[22:56] <knome> Sysi, i vaguely remember somebody explaining why apt-get is recommended/should be preferred over aptitude in ubuntu, but that's all about i can remember.
[22:56] <surreal7z> hi, is there a way in new xubuntu 11.04 to put panel always in back of everything else, without auto-hide?
[22:56] <Sysi> debian is going the same way, for dear lord WHY
[22:59] <surreal7z> the thing is... i have added some launchers on my panel... only text.. with alpha 0... and they look extra, but only if I could set it always in background or something like that
[23:03] <KM0201> Sysi: is there an "easy" way to edit the xfce menu? (similar to alacarte)
[23:03] <knome> KM0201, in natty, alacarte should work afaik...
[23:03] <KM0201> knome: really?
[23:03] <knome> yeah.
[23:03] <maverick> km0201: i guess compiz starts, but there is no window decorator as there is no emerald, it shows kde4-window-decorator: Could not enable decorations on display ":0.0"
[23:04] <KM0201> maverick: yeah, i installed and tried it myself..lol
[23:04] <maverick> km0201: so no way for now to get compiz running?
[23:04] <KM0201> maverick: apparently not..
[23:04] <maverick> km0201: awesome, im not the only one then :D
[23:05] <KM0201> knome: when i try to install alacarte, it wnts to install a TON of stuff (looks like the entire Gnome GUI)
[23:05] <knome> KM0201, any menu editor should work, really
[23:06] <KM0201> knome: i dunno, cuz xfce's menu seems to be based on a text file
[23:06] <Sysi> i think compiz on natty is bugsy
[23:06] <KM0201> Sysi: i didn't have to many probs w/ it (that was related to compiz anyway)
[23:07] <KM0201> knome: this is everything it wants to install..lol  http://pastebin.com/9mcWaaaj
[23:07] <surreal7z> emerald is not working, compiz is... alacarte is trash, can't edit seperators and some part of menus... so by hand...
[23:07] <KM0201> like i said, from the looks o it, it wants to install the entire gnome desktop
[23:08] <KM0201> surreal7z: you got compiz working on xfce?..
[23:08] <surreal7z> and that also :D
[23:08] <KM0201> lol
[23:08] <maverick> surreal7z: you got window borders on compiz?
[23:08] <surreal7z> compiz is working on my 11.04 but emerald is not and emerald is for borders
[23:09] <surreal7z> bug has been reported
[23:09] <maverick> surreal7z: how is it usable if there are no borders?
[23:09] <surreal7z> it's not... but i'm just saying :D
[23:09] <KM0201> isn't emerald obsolete?
[23:09] <Sysi> what do you do with borders?
[23:09] <KM0201> i didn't even think it was around anymore
[23:10] <surreal7z> so, what other should we use?
[23:10] <Sysi> http://wiki.compiz.org/Decorators/GTKWindowDecorator
[23:10] <maverick> i like the wobbly stuff with the borders :D
[23:10] <Sysi> that works when dragging with alt too :P
[23:11] <KM0201> Sysi: that looks like it requires gconf-editor, which is not installed by default on xfce..
[23:11] <knome> oh well
[23:11] <knome> need to sleep
[23:11] <knome> see you later
[23:11] <knome> KM0201, good luck with the menu editing ;)
[23:11] <KM0201> knome: i'll get it eventually..
[23:11] <Sysi> tlak about lag? :D
[23:11] <KM0201> i knhow how to do it.. i just want an easy, lazy, GUI way to do it... :)
[23:11] <KM0201> lol Sysi
[23:12] <Sysi> i'd need some sleep too (same time zone)
[23:17] <seniseni> hello, im new on xubuntu.. what is a bottom panel on screenshot?
[23:18] <surreal7z> what screenshot
[23:18] <bin_bash> what?
[23:18] <seniseni> http://xubuntu.org/
[23:18] <seniseni> "XUbuntu 11.04 is onw available!" and screenshot.. what is on the bottom?
[23:18] <Unit193> The panel on the bottom is a launcher
[23:19] <DeM0nFiRe> You can remove that right? :P
[23:19] <surreal7z> jep, it looks great, you can even make it transparent
[23:19] <surreal7z> sure
[23:19] <seniseni> it can be used without xfce?
[23:19] <bin_bash> yeah it's just a panel
[23:19] <DeM0nFiRe> Coo
[23:19] <DeM0nFiRe> Cool*
[23:19] <surreal7z> BUT how to make it only on background, not always on top, was my question :D
[23:20] <surreal7z> I made it... Alpha 0 and text launchers, they look amazing but the panel is always on top :(
[23:20] <bin_bash> you should select auto-hide panel
[23:21] <surreal7z> yes... but it is transaparent... it just blends with background, it's such a shame to put it on auto-hide :p
[23:23] <DeM0nFiRe> surreal7z: So you want icons on the desktop to launch things?
[23:23] <DeM0nFiRe> You can put those on the desktop already :)
[23:23] <surreal7z> not icons... text
[23:23] <DeM0nFiRe> Oh :P
[23:24] <surreal7z> it simply looks amazing... but I want to get rid of auto-hide
[23:25] <bin_bash> So I have a command in /usr/bin/ and then when I try to execute it, it says command not found
[23:25] <maverick> right click on the panel, properties, disable autohide
[23:25] <bin_bash> It worked in 10.04
[23:25] <maverick> i mean, panel, panel preferences
[23:26] <surreal7z> sure thing, but then I can't put windows such as browser to full screen
[23:26] <surreal7z> panel stays
[23:26] <maverick> yeah, i noticed
[23:27] <maverick> no idea
[23:27] <surreal7z> but, alpha 0, on panel preferences is great
[23:31] <bin_bash> where is the sudoers file kept
[23:32] <KM0201> is there a way to look and see what is taing up the most disk space?
[23:32] <bin_bash> KM0201: guess wat
[23:32] <KM0201> ?
[23:32] <bin_bash> I got that keyboard script to work
[23:32] <bin_bash> I forgot to chmod +x it
[23:32] <KM0201> cool
[23:32] <KM0201> lol
[23:32] <KM0201> thats important
[23:32] <bin_bash> yeah
[23:32] <bin_bash> -.-
[23:32] <KM0201> cuz it has to be executable
[23:32] <bin_bash> yeah
[23:33] <bin_bash> i was like "WHY ISN'T THIS EXECUTING"
[23:33] <bin_bash> "oh... i didn't make it executable"
[23:33] <bin_bash> okay, now i need to add it to the sudoers file
[23:33] <bin_bash> where is that
[23:33] <Unit193> KM0201: du -h (not very useful)
[23:33] <KM0201> honestly, i'm not sure.. i was just trying to think.
[23:33] <KM0201> Unit193: lol, du -h    i'm guessing when that command was written, someone was in a joking mood.
[23:34] <Unit193> /etc/ is sudoers
[23:34] <bin_bash> thanks
[23:35] <KM0201> dang, you gotta be root just to view it
[23:37] <KM0201> Unit193: is there a good, GUI search tool for xfce?
[23:37] <bin_bash> KM0201: yeah it's called catfish
[23:37] <Unit193> KM0201: I just use locate (after sudo updatedb)
[23:38] <KM0201> oh ok, locate isn't bad... i'll check catfish
[23:38] <Unit193> catfish is preinstalled
[23:39] <xubuntu768> chating and installing xubuntu... impressive so far
[23:40] <DeM0nFiRe> lol
[23:40] <DeM0nFiRe> LiveCD?
[23:40] <xubuntu768> from usb
[23:40] <Unit193> xubuntu768: And all at the same time!
[23:40] <xubuntu768> so awesome
[23:41] <xubuntu768> sry I am newbie
[23:41]  * KM0201 would never have thought a search tool was named catfish
[23:41] <KM0201> lol
[23:41] <bin_bash> KM0201: added it to the sudoers file and I got the keys to work
[23:41] <bin_bash> EFF YES
[23:41] <DeM0nFiRe> Oh awesome Xubuntu has drivers for my wireless adapter already
[23:41] <KM0201> bin_bash: well thats awesome
[23:41] <bin_bash> Now all I need is the wireless driver LOL
[23:42] <DeM0nFiRe> Ooh bother I have to actually go live so I can actually connect to a network
[23:43] <KM0201> bin_bash: geez, can't you just be happy
[23:43] <KM0201> lol
[23:43] <bin_bash> Oh I'm happy. Thrilled, actually.
[23:43] <KM0201> i thought you said the usb worked fine?
[23:43] <bin_bash> Oh it does
[23:43] <KM0201> or do you just not like taping it to your head to get a signal?
[23:43] <surreal7z> well... I am pretty impressed with this Alpha thing on panels... can it be... maybe... to to the same with all applications not transparency but this Alpha thing xD
[23:43] <bin_bash> but I have to remember to bring it everywhere
[23:43] <bin_bash> Oh... one more thing I need... is to expose or tile the windows
[23:44] <KM0201> yeah, thats how i am, cuz i hate using a touchpad, so if i take my netbook somewhere, i gotta remember my mouse.
[23:44] <xubuntu768> very pleased with the top panel and hidden bottom panel with very clean default icons.
[23:45] <surreal7z> put alpha 0 in panel preferences and.... its a bliss xD   I will never get over this Alpha thing
[23:45] <KM0201> bin_bash: tile the windows...?
[23:45] <KM0201> like automatically
[23:45] <bin_bash> yeah
[23:45] <bin_bash> no
[23:45] <bin_bash> Remember when we were workign with gnome
[23:45] <bin_bash> and we finally found it in compiz
[23:46] <bin_bash> like... show all the windows that are open
[23:47] <KM0201> oh..
[23:47] <KM0201> i know what you're talking about
[23:47] <KM0201> i thinkj i saw something like that in xfce
[23:49] <surreal7z> Item "Places" in panel puts opened pupmenu in top-left corner of screen everytime?
[23:50] <KM0201> bin_bash: i'm not really sure if thats possible in xfce.. sicne it relies heavily on 3D
[23:50] <surreal7z> Applications Menu is working as normal but Places isn't
[23:50] <KM0201> Sysi: might know though
[23:50] <bin_bash> hmm
[23:51] <bin_bash> KM0201: where are the firefox plugins stored again?
[23:51] <KM0201> bin_bash: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins   i think
[23:52] <bin_bash> no
[23:52] <bin_bash>  /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[23:52] <bin_bash> where was it before/
[23:52] <KM0201> there you go
[23:53] <KM0201> bin_bash: it as under home, in /home/username/.mozilla/plugins
[23:53] <KM0201> hidden directory
[23:53] <bin_bash> that's what i thought
[23:53] <bin_bash> my friend just upgraded to nattyu
[23:54] <KM0201> from 10.04?
[23:55] <bin_bash> or 10.10 idr
[23:55] <KM0201> oh ok.
[23:56] <KM0201> not sure what i was thinking
[23:56] <KM0201> well hopefully it was from 10.10.. not supposed to skip distros
[23:56] <DeM0nFiRe> I am surprised xubuntu has the drivers for my wireless adapter already
[23:56] <DeM0nFiRe> It's some cheap $10 USB thing I picked up lol
[23:57] <KM0201> DeM0nFiRe: it's probably a ralink... the older ralink chipsets are in the kernel.. i've got one that works out of the box w/ 11.04
[23:57] <DeM0nFiRe> INdeed it is ralink
[23:57] <KM0201> yeah.. the new ralinks, aren't in the kernel(at least to my knowledge) but the older ones are.. and they actually work quite well
[23:58] <KM0201> lot of USB wireless devices, are ralink... i mean a lot
[23:58] <KM0201> why, i don't know.. but they are
[23:58] <DeM0nFiRe> I nsawa couple other ones that were like $100
[23:58] <DeM0nFiRe> I was like screw that
[23:58] <DeM0nFiRe> Found this oe onoe amazon
[23:58] <DeM0nFiRe> I thnk it was $11
[23:58] <DeM0nFiRe> Sorry bad typing, on my netbook atm lol
[23:58] <KM0201> sad thing is, i remember just af ew years ago, when getting a ralink device to work on Ubuntu, required a priest and an exorcism
[23:59] <DeM0nFiRe> My desktop is installing xubuuntu!
[23:59] <DeM0nFiRe> Well
[23:59] <DeM0nFiRe> The ralink devices used o come with a possessed little girl, didn't they?
[23:59] <DeM0nFiRe> to*
[23:59] <KM0201> pea soup
[23:59] <KM0201> :)