[00:08] I wonder where is the missing semicolon here [00:08] kbuildsycoca4(2415) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry Categories in "/usr/share/applications/im-switch.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon). [00:10] last entry is = NotShowIn=GNOME;KDE; [00:13] I do get things like [00:13] kbuildsycoca4(781) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry x-scheme-handler/trash in "/home/yofel/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon). [00:13] but not the one you get, here's the im-switch.desktop file: http://paste.kde.org/41761/ [00:13] kubu2: in Categories one owuld suppose ^^ [00:13] Categories=Settings [00:14] that is still missing a trailing semicolon [00:14] true [00:14] yofel: we have the same file [00:14] yofel: you'll need to do nonincremental to get warnings for all files I suppose [00:15] right, that gives me several warnings now [00:16] apachelogger: you are right, added the extra semicolon and error disappeared [00:17] * apachelogger hopes that is not supposed to suggest that apachelogger could be wrong :P [00:19] apachelogger: hope so too..just couldn't figure out why the other entries don't need one? [00:20] kubu2: because the specification demands it :P [00:20] it's not like those errors actually break anything, do they? [00:22] yofel: they can [00:23] "Some keys can have multiple values. In such a case, the value of the key is specified as a plural: for example, string(s). The multiple values should be separated by a semicolon, and the value of the key should have a semicolon as trailing character. Semicolons in these values need to be escaped using \;." [00:23] ah [00:23] therefore a parser implementation could look like: getline, getlastchar in line, is char semicolon -> advanced parsing; else simple parsing [00:24] where simple parsing would be something like "find '=' and split into two element array" [00:24] advanced parsing would consequently have multiple elements or something [00:25] for KDE and GNOME however it does not make a difference as the parsers are robust enough [00:25] Correctness is a worthy goal all on its own though. [00:25] sure [00:25] may not break but the results may not be as expected as in except: abort [00:26] the desktop spec is also implemented on mobile phones (think maemo) [00:26] on those machines you might explicitly want to trade robustness for speed [00:26] kubu2: no, in the parser scenario I suggested it would break [00:27] if the desktop file is a menu entry, than the categories list would be responsible to decide what menu category this entry should be part of [00:28] using the parser I suggsted Categories=Utilities;Qt will result in the category being identified as "Utilities;Qt" [00:28] of course such a category does not exist -> menu entry shows up in not-assigned or does not show up at all [00:28] I feel my english is getting ever so bad [00:28] * apachelogger prepares for bed [00:29] good nite apachelogger [00:29] anyone created oneiric chroot successfully? [00:30] c2tarun: mine created fine using de.archive.ubuntu.com [00:30] yofel: here is mine output http://paste.kde.org/41851/ [00:31] I created one too. [00:31] * ScottK was using archive.ubuntu.com. [00:31] c2tarun: no idea, try again [00:31] yofel: trying now with amd64 arch [00:31] oh cool, ppa.launchpad.net bandwitdh just recovered :D [00:32] again same Packages.bz2 is corrupted. [00:33] Only seven hours to build boost on armel. [00:33] Fun. [00:33] c2tarun: That's a sign the the mirror is still incomplete. [00:33] ... that the ... [00:34] ScottK: hmm.... maybe I'll try later :) [00:34] yeah but... [00:34] W: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 was corrupt [00:34] And then a bit later it wasn't, right? [00:34] archive.ubuntu.com is ~a dozen physical systems. It wasn't complete on all of them a bit ago. [00:35] * yofel wonders when ddebs.ubuntu.com will get packages or oneiric [01:06] I am creating oneiric chroot again and I found this warning "W: Couldn't download package apt" can this be a problem? [01:12] c2tarun: I would assume so. I'd wait a few hours and try again [02:52] nixternal: ping [04:03] http://imgur.com/HQKIa [04:04] photoshopped, but, well :) [04:11] Don't miss http://imgur.com/gallery/OIKFN [04:15] This one is more on topic for today though: http://i.imgur.com/NB05u.png [04:21] haha, seen both today [04:21] I may spend too much time internetting [04:33] ScottK: heh, good one [05:20] hi I have a question about ubiquity [05:37] liveuserx: #ubuntu-installer is the best channel for that, but it's the weekend after release week, so have patience. [05:39] ScottK: Thanks! I am trying to figure out how to install it :) I only have a 3.5gb ssd hd on my netbook, and I should be able to get it on here and my sd card... but the installer does not let me override it's stupidity [05:39] er... simplicity [05:43] Ah. [05:43] I thought you had a development question. [05:43] well, it is kinda ;) [05:44] Did you try the manual partitioning option? [05:44] It will not let me get to that [05:44] What happens? [05:44] it shows me a red x and tells me I don't have a 3.8gb hd and it does not show the next button.. only back and quit [05:44] Where does it fail? [05:44] before hd partitioning [05:45] Interesting as it's actual minimum size requirements are less than 3.8. [05:45] It's ~3.5. [05:45] right after selecting language [05:46] I absolutely cannot use either of the netbook interfaces, [05:46] The partitioning choice is next. [05:46] it did not get there [05:46] Did you try the alternate CD? [05:46] No [05:46] regular dvd put on usb [05:46] It's got lower minimums and more options. [05:46] .. cd [05:46] regular cd put on usb [05:46] sorry [05:47] I think the alternate works with USB, but I didn't ever actually try it. [05:47] Right. [05:47] I do the same on my netbook. [05:47] This usb key worked great on my main laptop [05:47] then when I plugged it into my netbook, it continued on with the laptop session LOL [05:48] If you have it set up as a persistent USB, then that's not suprising. [05:48] and it had the netbook interface... and It took me about 2hrs to figure out how to open dolphin, and a terminal [05:48] The magic to decide if something is a netbook or laptop is only done on first run, but you can change it in systemsettings. [05:48] Very interesting feature... however, it was not persistant in it's selection of user interface [05:48] OK. [05:48] and I could not figure out how to make it go back to KDE [05:48] instead of this netbook interface [05:49] That's KDE. It's plasma-netbook instead of plasma-desktop. [05:49] You can change it in systemsettings. [05:49] could not figure out how to get to plasma-desktop [05:49] ah, could not figure out how to get to that either ;) [05:49] trying [05:49] (I added a k menu) [05:49] and found it) [05:51] It was hidden under workspace under some other thing [05:51] ScottK: where in system settings? [05:51] Well that's a good question. [05:51] It was there in 4.5 and I'm having trouble finding it in 4.6. [05:51] I found it... Workspace behavior [05:52] then under a deeper tab workspace [05:52] Yes. I found it too. [05:52] Actually the same place is was in 4.5. I'd just forgotten. [05:52] then workspace type... desktop! If I give this to other people I will have to do a lot of work on each install [05:53] The netbook interface is designed to work better with netbooks, so it's reasonable to run that initially on them. [05:53] ScottK: so you reccomend the alternate install? Do you know which [05:54] LOL better??? it does not work at all, windows and stuff moving unexpectedly, no way to switch between apps but alt tab... No thanks.. and it wastes screen space [05:54] (sorry, I will stop ranting about that) [05:55] ooh, nice. thanks [05:55] ScottK: do you know which file has the disk check before actual install starts? [05:55] pre check? [05:55] I did a lot of grepping [05:55] http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/natty/kubuntu-11.04-alternate-i386.iso is the alternate ISO. [05:56] I will begin downloading the torrent [05:56] No, I've never hacked on Ubiquity internals. [05:56] http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/natty/kubuntu-11.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent [05:56] I did a lot of grepping and did not find it... [05:56] I think it's worth filing a bug as it sounds like the check your system is failing is too strict. [05:57] ok [05:57] Do ubuntu-bug ubiquity from inside the live session on the netbook. [06:02] FWIW, I can understand how the netbook stuff doesn't work for some people. It's generally pretty well received though. [06:21] ok, ubuntu-bug ubiquity should work.. I started creating another launchpad account [06:22] it did not work.. it just created a bug report and had no place for me to type a description [06:26] You can edit the description after if that happens. [06:43] ScottK: what is this page for? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-packaging [06:43] It's where we will document our plans for what we will package in the next release cycle. [06:49] ScottK: quick q: is 10.04-11.04 not a supported upgrade? [06:49] It is not. [06:50] ScottK: thanks [06:50] It ~should work in theory, but it's not supported. [06:50] maybe i'll note that on the upgrades wiki page. [06:57] ScottK: got the bug submitted [06:57] Progress of a sort then. [06:58] ScottK: and I think my torrent is done for the alternative cd [06:58] ty [06:58] Good luck. I've never personally used the alternate CD via USB, but I'm told it works. [07:05] what is releaase cycle? where can I get more info about it. Google is not returning anything relevant. [07:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule [08:55] I think packaging for KDE SC 4.6.3 is complete. is there anymore work around? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [08:59] What's up guys? [08:59] c2tarun: yeah, I'm doing it [08:59] DarkwingDuck: Just finished eating :P [09:00] I'm "finally" setting up my home server [09:00] * DarkwingDuck gets his dev box and 1TB of media back [09:00] what the... [09:01] Why there is no kdeplasma-addons tarball? [09:04] Quintasan: I guess kdeplasma-addons require kdeedu, which is giving error [09:04] c2tarun: you figure out your issue from last night? [09:05] DarkwingDuck: that was due to kdeedu migrated from svn to git. yofel mailed to upstream to fix it. [09:08] c2tarun: got ya [09:10] Quintasan: what work are you doing BTW? [09:19] c2tarun: There is no tarball for it [09:19] c2tarun: I'm downloading kdeedu, they still didnt fix the tarball? [09:20] What a waste of time.. [09:23] Quintasan: as you are kubuntu-member you can try kdel-10n :) though yofel said he'll try it after 3may :) [09:29] does anyone know if you can move the hiding panel in netbook? [09:30] hiding panel? [09:30] DarkwingDuck: the panel that hides - its currently on the top... [09:31] either that or how to move chromes tabs to the bottom... [09:32] jussi: it should be controlled the same as any other widget... Unlock the widgets in the panel and remove it. If you want it on the bottom create a panel on the bottom and move it down there. [09:34] DarkwingDuck: hrm... I was hping it was like a normal panel that you can move to whatever ide of the screen... [09:34] side* [09:34] jussi: I've never actually tried to move the panel... is it movable? [09:34] My netbook is dead [09:35] doesnt seem like it :( [09:36] its just annoying to try change tab and that annoying bar always pops up... [09:38] Bugger [09:41] my system is freezing, when network-manager is trying to connect to wifi connection :( [10:01] * apachelogger dances with Nightrose === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:43] o/ [11:02] morning [11:06] bambee: evening :) [11:06] apachelogger: I hope you are going to merge pkg-kde-tools from debian to make the kubuntu stuff work with the new dhmk build system :) [11:06] c2tarun: hey ;) [11:07] bambee: hi :) [11:15] debfx: me? [11:16] * apachelogger once merged and setup a bzr branch for easy merging, yet no one used it [11:16] * apachelogger aint gonna merge it again [11:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpvuqj5nv6U&feature=relmfu [11:17] apachelogger: yeah, since you are the de facto kubuntu maintainer of pkg-kde-tools ;) [11:18] at UDS we will do the skeleton dance [11:19] mgraesslin: any good opengl intro book you can recommend? [11:23] apachelogger: depends on what OpenGL you want to lear [11:24] I would recommend OpenGL SuperBible 5th edition [11:24] and I have a summary in community.kde.org [11:24] apachelogger: http://community.kde.org/KWin/Hacking#Books [11:24] ah [11:24] mgraesslin: merci beaucoup [11:24] no problem [11:25] and reminds me: I need to blog about it :-) [11:25] apachelogger: the upstream branch import is broken anyway [11:25] oh that reminds me I need to comment on a comment [11:25] debfx: launchpad, why do you fail us! [11:26] debfx: looks like shitty lp? [11:26] probably just need to ask nicely for someone to try again [11:27] not sure, either it's lp or bzr [11:27] or the url [11:28] git://git.debian.org/pkg-kde/pkg-kde-tools.git is what lord debian has to say [11:28] no, the url is fine [11:28] not here :P [11:28] me@avatar:/tmp$ git clone git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-kde/pkg-kde-tools.git. [11:28] Cloning into pkg-kde-tools.git.... [11:28] fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly [11:28] ah [11:28] pointy pointy little star, launchpad has no usability lidida [11:29] apachelogger: do you speak french ? [11:29] debfx: I blame pyth0rn [11:29] bambee: un peu [11:29] :) [11:29] actually I didn't speak french in like a really long time [11:29] apachelogger: tu parles bien ;) [11:30] ^^ [11:30] ^^ [11:30] debfx: you should spit fire in #launchpad [11:30] see how that goes [11:30] I meanwhile shall try to use a framebuffer without actually fully understanding what it does and how to fill it with textures ^^ [11:40] apachelogger: did your not so awesome team of awesome turn awesome? [11:41] no [11:41] -.- [11:41] I didn't send a second mail yet though [11:41] as I was hoping one might turn more replying on weekends [11:41] clearly not the case [11:41] *nod* [11:47] oh [11:47] Nightrose: how about a simple "Did my last mail not arrive?"? [11:47] sure [11:48] Nightrose: I'll bcc you, maybe you will reply to my mail ^^ [11:48] :P [11:50] video & GL is quite twisted [11:55] dammit [11:58] DarkwingDuck: sup? [11:58] sup? [11:59] already awake? ^^ [11:59] me? [11:59] nope, DarkwingDuck [11:59] hmm [11:59] Quintasan: hi anyway ;) [11:59] * Quintasan should update moar packages [11:59] yofel: \o [11:59] but well, food comes first, can't do anything on an empty stomach [12:01] which reminds me, I've got an updated kaffeine package lying around, and we need to get kdbg into oneiric [12:02] kdbg would be a debian sync IIRC [12:31] WHY [12:31] WHY [12:31] WHY [12:31] DAMN IT [12:31] * Quintasan broke a little bit inside [15:36] hello everyone [15:39] hi praveen [15:41] Riddell: I just noticed you forgot to upload libpodofo to lucid-backports for scribus-ng back then (bug 686319) - now scribus-ng is stuck in dep-wait [15:41] (sorry, totally forgot to verify that back then) [15:41] Launchpad bug 686319 in maverick-backports "Please backport scribus-ng 1.4.0.dfsg~rc1-1 to lucid and maverick" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686319 [15:44] i have installed kubuntu 11.04 using wubi [15:44] but when i am booting my system it is showing an error "No wubildr" [15:45] and i am not able to open kubuntu... [15:45] what to do??? [15:46] praveen: user support is in #ubuntu and #kubuntu [15:47] sorry riddell, but nobody is giving any ans...can you tell me some other channels??? [15:52] praveen: see kubuntu.org/support for the various support methods [15:52] thanks !!! [16:08] nhandler: pingy [16:10] congratulations everyone! [16:14] yofel: will look at that bug next week [16:16] ok, thanks === smarter_ is now known as smarter === ximion1 is now known as ximion [17:33] yofel: do you remember what package qtscriptgenerator was in? [17:34] iirc we were looking at it for Neon [17:34] !find qtscriptgenerator [17:34] Package/file qtscriptgenerator does not exist in natty [17:35] !info qtscriptgenerator [17:35] Package qtscriptgenerator does not exist in natty [17:35] * yofel hits ubottu for not knowing source packages [17:35] the source is qtscriptgenerator in any case [17:36] shadeslayer: you want to do it? I have it on my todo list, but not before UDS probably [17:43] yofel: compiling amarok :P [17:43] i thought it was packaged [17:43] well, amarok is un [17:43] haha :D [17:43] *requires qtscriptgenerator [17:47] can't amarok just use the qtscriptgenerator from the archives? [17:48] random e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/43411/ [17:48] Riddell: thats what i'm trying to find ... i can't find qtscriptgenerator in the archives [17:48] shadeslayer: that's the source, the binaries have lib* names [17:48] and the archives are hit pretty hard :) [17:48] afiestas__: any advice on what to say to http://paste.kde.org/43411/ ? he's got a problem with bluetooth and strigi [17:49] Riddell: that is a *strange* problem tbh :D [17:50] archive qtscriptgenerator can't seem to be used with our Qt, the amarok example simply can't find some of the modules [17:51] shadeslayer,yofel,Riddell: apparently not, I have installed all binary packages from qtscriptgenerator in our repos and it still refused to find it [17:52] Riddell: You need a standard "I'm on rotation to the bzr team" reply. [17:52] :( [17:52] ScottK: hmm, not a bad idea [18:10] apachelogger: you look like you completed your project already [18:10] and you're scaring me [18:13] Isn't that the trick with GSoC? [18:14] Write up a proposal that sounds horribly complex and will take all summer, but in reality you can bang out in an afternoon. [18:14] *nod* [18:30] apachelogger: yofel: Quintasan nigelb and here i was thinking only wiki.ubuntu.com did it : http://i.imgur.com/o4U1j.png [18:31] bwahaha [18:31] lol [18:33] Facebook's is "Internal error, failed to sell your private data". [18:34] apachelogger: Did you need something? [18:42] mgraesslin: around to answer a question about kwin? [18:44] Riddell: the only thing In common I can think of is the usage of dbus... [18:44] (between Bluetooth and nepomuk indexer) [18:44] * yofel goes rebuilding the newer intel driver from debian to see if it fixes his kwin issues [18:44] so not sure what's the solution :/ [18:48] yofel: kwin issues like? [18:48] shadeslayer: several effects resulting in refresh rates of ~0.5 FPS? [18:49] ( i just have a nasty issue of not being able to resize konsole ) [18:49] ouch [18:49] afiestas__: I've been subscribing you to some specs I thought you would find interesting. I hope that's OK. [18:50] yofel: when i move windows around, FPS drops to 15 :/ [18:51] yeah, just for me kwin immediately disables the desktop effects if I don't disable functionality checks since it far too slow [18:51] Xrender works fine, and if I disable the 5 effects that xrender doesn't support opengl works fine too again [18:52] yep same here [18:53] shadeslayer: you mean facebook is actually based on moinmoin? [18:53] apachelogger: who knows... it could be [18:53] we shall nevar know [18:54] ScottK: no problem [18:54] shadeslayer: you are scaring me [18:54] stop it [18:54] Facebook is not slow enough for moinmoin. [18:54] no *you* are scaring me [18:55] ScottK: maybe they optimized it? :P [18:55] shadeslayer: apachelogger scares everyone. Get over it. [18:55] shadeslayer: Not possible. [18:55] oh .. its probably based off java [18:55] I am the darth vader of programming. [18:55] Whereas Kent Beck is the emperor of programming. [18:55] suprisingly enough we both are jahava witnesses [18:57] * ScottK was speaking of the Disney mouse princess thing re scaring. === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [18:59] how is that like scaring? [18:59] It was scary. [18:59] oh, perfect use of the new lingo I am learning [18:59] * ScottK may be scarred for life. [18:59] you are all sorts of hating on my, like wtf, srsly man [18:59] this is highly inefficient... a lot of words for no good reason -.- [18:59] ScottK: lol :D [19:00] * ScottK is kidding. I'll lay off if it bugs you. [19:00] nhandler: I was wondering if there is any chance whatsoever to get overlord control over a channel without having the previous owner around [19:00] Now that nixternal is no longer pretending to be active and shadeslayer's not in exams, what do I have left? [19:01] apachelogger: What channel? [19:01] ScottK: shadeslayer got assignments now [19:01] didnt you read it the other day [19:01] none [19:01] nhandler: #phonon [19:01] now [19:01] apachelogger: ScottK sem over ... i'm free for about 3 days now \o/ [19:01] then i got exams again :P [19:01] nhandler: the current owner and previous maintainer of phonon is kinda MIA [19:02] And it'll take you three days to get there as heavy as your laptop is. [19:02] shadeslayer: ^^^ [19:02] So that doesn't actually add up to time to do something useful. [19:02] apachelogger: You should read http://blog.freenode.net/2010/06/group-registration-form-verifications/ and send an email to grfprocess@freenode.net . Poke me if you don't get a response in a day or two, and I'll poke the people handling those requests [19:02] heh :P [19:03] nhandler: kthx :) [19:03] oh [19:03] apachelogger: No problem. [19:03] * shadeslayer is subscribes to specs [19:03] nhandler: actually, would it all be possible to have it covered by the KDE group? [19:03] cause technically it belongs under the same management umbrella [19:04] shadeslayer: subscribe me to some too [19:04] sure will do [19:04] I realize ScottK already made me important :D [19:04] ScottK++ [19:04] apachelogger: Can you make a spec for mobile? [19:04] apachelogger: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O [19:04] or maybe rbelem? ^^^ [19:05] I have plenty of things to make specs for [19:05] but [19:05] * apachelogger left his notebook in Graz [19:05] oh [19:05] that is why the cloud is the nice [19:05] they say 420 in 2012 [19:05] though I am going to Graz tomorrow, so can do it Monday [19:05] OK. [19:06] apachelogger: i might be coming to the DS via Austria :D [19:06] shadeslayer: 420 spaceships? [19:06] apachelogger: " ... 420 copies of his book ... " [19:06] shadeslayer: make sure to pick me up, cause I have not planned the trip yet and will probably fail to do so until a week before or so [19:06] which reminds me that I should nicely ask around for sponsorship [19:07] apachelogger: yeah i have figure out stuff now because i have send a estimate of the costs [19:07] "dear red hat inc., would you consider sending me to berlin so I can get wasted and stuff? kindest regards, phononoverlord" [19:07] heh [19:21] ScottK: btw about KDE Telepathy, they're going to have a tech preview nextish month [19:23] ( in regards to desktop-o-kubuntu-packaging ) [19:24] apachelogger: You would need to talk to the KDE Group Contact about that. [19:29] shadeslayer: now I can answer kwin related questions [19:29] mgraesslin: hey :D ... all my other windows except konsole resize fine [19:29] when i resize konsole i get artefacts ... would this be a kwin bug or a driver bug? [19:30] konsole is an argb window [19:30] i have the nvidia driver [19:30] so most likely driver bug - works fine here ;-) [19:30] mgraesslin: oh .. and what are the other windows? [19:31] well problem could be that nvidia released the driver just to get it working with ubuntu, probably with bugs [19:31] other windows are just rgb [19:31] hmm [19:31] 270.29-0ubuntu3 was hell tho [19:32] freeze every couple of secs etc [19:33] well xorg changed the abi one day before the new release by that destroying the already finished nvidia driver... [19:37] ScottK: i never pretend [19:38] well, that konsole resizing bug is against nvidia now in launchpad [19:47]