[00:08] <kubu2> I wonder where is the missing semicolon here
[00:08] <kubu2> kbuildsycoca4(2415) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry Categories in "/usr/share/applications/im-switch.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon). 
[00:10] <kubu2> last entry is = NotShowIn=GNOME;KDE;
[00:13] <yofel> I do get things like
[00:13] <yofel> kbuildsycoca4(781) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry x-scheme-handler/trash in "/home/yofel/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon). 
[00:13] <yofel> but not the one you get, here's the im-switch.desktop file: http://paste.kde.org/41761/
[00:13] <apachelogger> kubu2: in Categories one owuld suppose ^^
[00:13] <apachelogger> Categories=Settings
[00:14] <apachelogger> that is still missing a trailing semicolon
[00:14] <yofel> true
[00:14] <kubu2> yofel: we have the same file
[00:14] <apachelogger> yofel: you'll need to do nonincremental to get warnings for all files I suppose
[00:15] <yofel> right, that gives me several warnings now
[00:16] <kubu2> apachelogger: you are right, added the extra semicolon and error disappeared
[00:17]  * apachelogger hopes that is not supposed to suggest that apachelogger could be wrong :P
[00:19] <kubu2> apachelogger: hope so too..just couldn't figure out why the other entries don't need one?
[00:20] <apachelogger> kubu2: because the specification demands it :P
[00:20] <yofel> it's not like those errors actually break anything, do they?
[00:22] <apachelogger> yofel: they can
[00:23] <apachelogger> "Some keys can have multiple values. In such a case, the value of the key is specified as a plural: for example, string(s). The multiple values should be separated by a semicolon, and the value of the key should have a semicolon as trailing character. Semicolons in these values need to be escaped using \;."
[00:23] <yofel> ah
[00:23] <apachelogger> therefore a parser implementation could look like: getline, getlastchar in line, is char semicolon -> advanced parsing; else simple parsing
[00:24] <apachelogger> where simple parsing would be something like "find '=' and split into two element array"
[00:24] <apachelogger> advanced parsing would consequently have multiple elements or something
[00:25] <apachelogger> for KDE and GNOME however it does not make a difference as the parsers are robust enough
[00:25] <ScottK> Correctness is a worthy goal all on its own though.
[00:25] <apachelogger> sure
[00:25] <kubu2> may not break but the results may not be as expected as in except: abort
[00:26] <apachelogger> the desktop spec is also implemented on mobile phones (think maemo)
[00:26] <apachelogger> on those machines you might explicitly want to trade robustness for speed
[00:26] <apachelogger> kubu2: no, in the parser scenario I suggested it would break
[00:27] <apachelogger> if the desktop file is a menu entry, than the categories list would be responsible to decide what menu category this entry should be part of
[00:28] <apachelogger> using the parser I suggsted Categories=Utilities;Qt will result in the category being identified as "Utilities;Qt"
[00:28] <apachelogger> of course such a category does not exist -> menu entry shows up in not-assigned or does not show up at all
[00:28] <apachelogger> I feel my english is getting ever so bad
[00:28]  * apachelogger prepares for bed
[00:29] <kubu2> good nite apachelogger
[00:29] <c2tarun> anyone created oneiric chroot successfully?
[00:30] <yofel> c2tarun: mine created fine using de.archive.ubuntu.com
[00:30] <c2tarun> yofel: here is mine output http://paste.kde.org/41851/
[00:31] <ScottK> I created one too.
[00:31]  * ScottK was using archive.ubuntu.com.
[00:31] <yofel> c2tarun: no idea, try again
[00:31] <c2tarun> yofel: trying now with amd64 arch
[00:31] <yofel> oh cool, ppa.launchpad.net bandwitdh just recovered :D
[00:32] <c2tarun> again same Packages.bz2 is corrupted.
[00:33] <ScottK> Only seven hours to build boost on armel.
[00:33] <ScottK> Fun.
[00:33] <ScottK> c2tarun: That's a sign the the mirror is still incomplete.
[00:33] <ScottK>  ... that the ...
[00:34] <c2tarun> ScottK: hmm.... maybe I'll try later :)
[00:34] <yofel> yeah but...
[00:34] <yofel> W: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 was corrupt
[00:34] <ScottK> And then a bit later it wasn't, right?
[00:34] <ScottK> archive.ubuntu.com is ~a dozen physical systems.  It wasn't complete on all of them a bit ago.
[00:35]  * yofel wonders when ddebs.ubuntu.com will get packages or oneiric
[01:06] <c2tarun> I am creating oneiric chroot again and I found this warning "W: Couldn't download package apt" can this be a problem?
[01:12] <ryanakca> c2tarun: I would assume so. I'd wait a few hours and try again
[02:52] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[04:03] <JontheEchidna> http://imgur.com/HQKIa
[04:04] <JontheEchidna> photoshopped, but, well :)
[04:11] <ScottK> Don't miss http://imgur.com/gallery/OIKFN
[04:15] <ScottK> This one is more on topic for today though: http://i.imgur.com/NB05u.png
[04:21] <JontheEchidna> haha, seen both today
[04:21] <JontheEchidna> I may spend too much time internetting
[04:33] <nigelb> ScottK: heh, good one
[05:20] <liveuserx> hi  I have a  question about ubiquity
[05:37] <ScottK> liveuserx: #ubuntu-installer is the best channel for that, but it's the weekend after release week, so have patience.
[05:39] <liveuserx> ScottK: Thanks!   I am trying to figure out how to install it :)  I only have a 3.5gb ssd hd on my netbook, and I should be able to get it on here and my sd card... but the installer does not let me override it's stupidity
[05:39] <liveuserx> er... simplicity
[05:43] <ScottK> Ah.
[05:43] <ScottK> I thought you had a development question.
[05:43] <liveuserx> well, it is kinda ;)
[05:44] <ScottK> Did you try the manual partitioning option?
[05:44] <liveuserx> It will not let me get to that
[05:44] <ScottK> What happens?
[05:44] <liveuserx> it shows me a red x and tells me I don't have a 3.8gb hd  and it does not show the next button.. only back and quit
[05:44] <ScottK> Where does it fail?
[05:44] <liveuserx> before hd partitioning
[05:45] <ScottK> Interesting as it's actual minimum size requirements are less than 3.8.
[05:45] <ScottK> It's ~3.5.
[05:45] <liveuserx> right after selecting language
[05:46] <liveuserx> I absolutely cannot use either of the netbook interfaces, 
[05:46] <ScottK> The partitioning choice is next.
[05:46] <liveuserx> it did not get there
[05:46] <ScottK> Did you try the alternate CD?
[05:46] <liveuserx> No
[05:46] <liveuserx> regular dvd put on usb
[05:46] <ScottK> It's got lower minimums and more options.
[05:46] <liveuserx> .. cd
[05:46] <liveuserx> regular cd put on usb
[05:46] <liveuserx> sorry
[05:47] <ScottK> I think the alternate works with USB, but I didn't ever actually try it.
[05:47] <ScottK> Right.
[05:47] <ScottK> I do the same on my netbook.
[05:47] <liveuserx> This usb key worked great on my main laptop
[05:47] <liveuserx> then when I plugged it into my netbook, it continued on with the laptop session LOL
[05:48] <ScottK> If you have it set up as a persistent USB, then that's not suprising.
[05:48] <liveuserx> and it had the netbook interface... and It took me about 2hrs to figure out how to open dolphin, and a terminal
[05:48] <ScottK> The magic to decide if something is a netbook or laptop is only done on first run, but you can change it in systemsettings.
[05:48] <liveuserx> Very interesting feature... however, it was not persistant in it's selection of user interface
[05:48] <ScottK> OK.
[05:48] <liveuserx> and I could not figure out how to make it go back to KDE
[05:48] <liveuserx> instead of this netbook interface
[05:49] <ScottK> That's KDE.  It's plasma-netbook instead of plasma-desktop.
[05:49] <ScottK> You can change it in systemsettings.
[05:49] <liveuserx> could not figure out how to get to plasma-desktop
[05:49] <liveuserx> ah, could not figure out how to get to that either ;)
[05:49] <liveuserx> trying
[05:49] <liveuserx> (I added a k menu)
[05:49] <liveuserx> and found it)
[05:51] <liveuserx> It was hidden under workspace under some  other thing
[05:51] <jussi> ScottK: where in system settings? 
[05:51] <ScottK> Well that's a good question.
[05:51] <ScottK> It was there in 4.5 and I'm having trouble finding it in 4.6.
[05:51] <liveuserx> I found it...   Workspace behavior
[05:52] <liveuserx> then under a deeper tab workspace
[05:52] <ScottK> Yes.  I found it too.
[05:52] <ScottK> Actually the same place is was in 4.5.  I'd just forgotten.
[05:52] <liveuserx> then workspace type... desktop!          If I give this to other people I will have to do a lot of work on each install
[05:53] <ScottK> The netbook interface is designed to work better with netbooks, so it's reasonable to run that initially on them.
[05:53] <liveuserx> ScottK: so you reccomend the alternate install?   Do  you know which 
[05:54] <liveuserx> LOL better???  it does not work at all,  windows and stuff moving unexpectedly, no way to switch between apps but alt tab... No thanks..  and it wastes screen space
[05:54] <liveuserx> (sorry, I will stop ranting about that)
[05:55] <jussi> ooh, nice. thanks
[05:55] <liveuserx> ScottK: do you know which file has the disk check before actual install starts?
[05:55] <liveuserx> pre check?
[05:55] <liveuserx> I did a lot of grepping
[05:55] <ScottK> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/natty/kubuntu-11.04-alternate-i386.iso is the alternate ISO.
[05:56] <liveuserx> I will begin downloading the torrent
[05:56] <ScottK> No, I've never hacked on Ubiquity internals.
[05:56] <ScottK> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/natty/kubuntu-11.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[05:56] <liveuserx> I did a lot of grepping and did not find it...
[05:56] <ScottK> I think it's worth filing a bug as it sounds like the check your system is failing is too strict.
[05:57] <liveuserx> ok
[05:57] <ScottK> Do ubuntu-bug ubiquity from inside the live session on the netbook.
[06:02] <ScottK> FWIW, I can understand how the netbook stuff doesn't work for some people.  It's generally pretty well received though.
[06:21] <liveuserx> ok, ubuntu-bug ubiquity  should work.. I started creating another launchpad account
[06:22] <liveuserx> it did not work.. it just created a bug report and had no place for me to type a description
[06:26] <ScottK> You can edit the description after if that happens.
[06:43] <c2tarun> ScottK: what is this page for? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-packaging
[06:43] <ScottK> It's where we will document our plans for what we will package in the next release cycle.
[06:49] <claydoh> ScottK: quick q: is 10.04-11.04 not a supported upgrade?
[06:49] <ScottK> It is not.
[06:50] <claydoh> ScottK: thanks
[06:50] <ScottK> It ~should work in theory, but it's not supported.
[06:50] <claydoh> maybe i'll note that on the upgrades wiki page.
[06:57] <liveuserx> ScottK: got the bug submitted
[06:57] <ScottK> Progress of a sort then.
[06:58] <liveuserx> ScottK: and I think my torrent is done for the alternative cd
[06:58] <liveuserx> ty
[06:58] <ScottK> Good luck.  I've never personally used the alternate CD via USB, but I'm told it works.
[07:05] <c2tarun> what is releaase cycle? where can I get more info about it. Google is not returning anything relevant.
[07:07] <ScottK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[08:55] <c2tarun> I think packaging for KDE SC 4.6.3 is complete. is there anymore work around?
[08:59] <DarkwingDuck> What's up guys?
[08:59] <Quintasan> c2tarun: yeah, I'm doing it
[08:59] <Quintasan> DarkwingDuck: Just finished eating :P
[09:00] <DarkwingDuck> I'm "finally" setting up my home server
[09:00]  * DarkwingDuck gets his dev box and 1TB of media back
[09:00] <Quintasan> what the...
[09:01] <Quintasan> Why there is no kdeplasma-addons tarball?
[09:04] <c2tarun> Quintasan: I guess kdeplasma-addons require kdeedu, which is giving error
[09:04] <DarkwingDuck> c2tarun: you figure out your issue from last night?
[09:05] <c2tarun> DarkwingDuck: that was due to kdeedu migrated from svn to git. yofel mailed to upstream to fix it.
[09:08] <DarkwingDuck> c2tarun: got ya
[09:10] <c2tarun> Quintasan: what work are you doing BTW?
[09:19] <Quintasan> c2tarun: There is no tarball for it
[09:19] <Quintasan> c2tarun: I'm downloading kdeedu, they still didnt fix the tarball?
[09:20] <Quintasan> What a waste of time..
[09:23] <c2tarun> Quintasan: as you are kubuntu-member you can try kdel-10n :) though yofel said he'll try it after 3may :)
[09:29] <jussi> does anyone know if you can move the hiding panel in netbook?
[09:30] <DarkwingDuck> hiding panel?
[09:30] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: the panel that hides - its currently on the top...
[09:31] <jussi> either that or how to move chromes tabs to the bottom...
[09:32] <DarkwingDuck> jussi: it should be controlled the same as any other widget... Unlock the widgets in the panel and remove it. If you want it on the bottom create a panel on the bottom and move it down there.
[09:34] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: hrm... I was hping it was like a normal panel that you can move to whatever ide of the screen...
[09:34] <jussi> side*
[09:34] <DarkwingDuck> jussi: I've never actually tried to move the panel... is it movable?
[09:34] <DarkwingDuck> My netbook is dead
[09:35] <jussi> doesnt seem like it :(
[09:36] <jussi> its just annoying to try change tab and that annoying bar always pops up...
[09:38] <DarkwingDuck> Bugger
[09:41] <c2tarun> my system is freezing, when network-manager is trying to connect to wifi connection :(
[10:01]  * apachelogger dances with Nightrose
[10:43] <yofel> o/
[11:02] <bambee> morning
[11:06] <c2tarun> bambee: evening :)
[11:06] <debfx> apachelogger: I hope you are going to merge pkg-kde-tools from debian to make the kubuntu stuff work with the new dhmk build system :)
[11:06] <bambee> c2tarun: hey ;)
[11:07] <c2tarun> bambee: hi :)
[11:15] <apachelogger> debfx: me?
[11:16]  * apachelogger once merged and setup a bzr branch for easy merging, yet no one used it
[11:16]  * apachelogger aint gonna merge it again
[11:17] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpvuqj5nv6U&feature=relmfu
[11:17] <debfx> apachelogger: yeah, since you are the de facto kubuntu maintainer of pkg-kde-tools ;)
[11:18] <apachelogger> at UDS we will do the skeleton dance
[11:19] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: any good opengl intro book you can recommend?
[11:23] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: depends on what OpenGL you want to lear
[11:24] <mgraesslin> I would recommend OpenGL SuperBible 5th edition
[11:24] <mgraesslin> and I have a summary in community.kde.org
[11:24] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: http://community.kde.org/KWin/Hacking#Books
[11:24] <apachelogger> ah
[11:24] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: merci beaucoup
[11:24] <mgraesslin> no problem
[11:25] <mgraesslin> and reminds me: I need to blog about it :-)
[11:25] <debfx> apachelogger: the upstream branch import is broken anyway
[11:25] <apachelogger> oh that reminds me I need to comment on a comment
[11:25] <apachelogger> debfx: launchpad, why do you fail us!
[11:26] <apachelogger> debfx: looks like shitty lp?
[11:26] <apachelogger> probably just need to ask nicely for someone to try again
[11:27] <debfx> not sure, either it's lp or bzr
[11:27] <apachelogger> or the url
[11:28] <apachelogger> git://git.debian.org/pkg-kde/pkg-kde-tools.git is what lord debian has to say
[11:28] <debfx> no, the url is fine
[11:28] <apachelogger> not here :P
[11:28] <apachelogger> me@avatar:/tmp$ git clone git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-kde/pkg-kde-tools.git.
[11:28] <apachelogger> Cloning into pkg-kde-tools.git....
[11:28] <apachelogger> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
[11:28] <apachelogger> ah
[11:28] <apachelogger> pointy pointy little star, launchpad has no usability lidida
[11:29] <bambee> apachelogger: do you speak french ?
[11:29] <apachelogger> debfx: I blame pyth0rn
[11:29] <apachelogger> bambee: un peu
[11:29] <bambee> :)
[11:29] <apachelogger> actually I didn't speak french in like a really long time
[11:29] <bambee> apachelogger: tu parles bien ;)
[11:30] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:30] <bambee> ^^
[11:30] <apachelogger> debfx: you should spit fire in #launchpad
[11:30] <apachelogger> see how that goes
[11:30] <apachelogger> I meanwhile shall try to use a framebuffer without actually fully understanding what it does and how to fill it with textures ^^
[11:40] <Nightrose> apachelogger: did your not so awesome team of awesome turn awesome?
[11:41] <apachelogger> no
[11:41] <Nightrose> -.-
[11:41] <apachelogger> I didn't send a second mail yet though
[11:41] <apachelogger> as I was hoping one might turn more replying on weekends
[11:41] <apachelogger> clearly not the case
[11:41] <Nightrose> *nod*
[11:47] <apachelogger> oh
[11:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how about a simple "Did my last mail not arrive?"?
[11:47] <Nightrose> sure
[11:48] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I'll bcc you, maybe you will reply to my mail ^^
[11:48] <Nightrose> :P
[11:50] <apachelogger> video & GL is quite twisted
[11:55] <DarkwingDuck> dammit
[11:58] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: sup?
[11:58] <Quintasan> sup?
[11:59] <yofel> already awake? ^^
[11:59] <Quintasan> me?
[11:59] <yofel> nope, DarkwingDuck
[11:59] <Quintasan> hmm
[11:59] <yofel> Quintasan: hi anyway ;)
[11:59]  * Quintasan should update moar packages
[11:59] <Quintasan> yofel: \o
[11:59] <Quintasan> but well, food comes first, can't do anything on an empty stomach
[12:01] <yofel> which reminds me, I've got an updated kaffeine package lying around, and we need to get kdbg into oneiric
[12:02] <yofel> kdbg would be a debian sync IIRC
[12:31] <Quintasan> WHY
[12:31] <Quintasan> WHY
[12:31] <Quintasan> WHY
[12:31] <Quintasan> DAMN IT
[12:31]  * Quintasan broke a little bit inside
[15:36] <praveen> hello everyone
[15:39] <Riddell> hi praveen 
[15:41] <yofel> Riddell: I just noticed you forgot to upload libpodofo to lucid-backports for scribus-ng back then (bug 686319) - now scribus-ng is stuck in dep-wait
[15:41] <yofel> (sorry, totally forgot to verify that back then)
[15:44] <praveen> i have installed kubuntu 11.04 using wubi
[15:44] <praveen> but when i am booting my system it is showing an error "No wubildr"
[15:45] <praveen> and i am not able to open kubuntu...
[15:45] <praveen> what to do???
[15:46] <Riddell> praveen: user support is in #ubuntu and #kubuntu
[15:47] <praveen> sorry riddell, but nobody is giving any ans...can you tell me some other channels???
[15:52] <Riddell> praveen: see kubuntu.org/support for the various support methods
[15:52] <praveen> thanks !!!
[16:08] <apachelogger> nhandler: pingy
[16:10] <yuriy> congratulations everyone!
[16:14] <Riddell> yofel: will look at that bug next week
[16:16] <yofel> ok, thanks
[17:33] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you remember what package qtscriptgenerator was in?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> iirc we were looking at it for Neon
[17:34] <shadeslayer> !find qtscriptgenerator
[17:35] <yofel> !info qtscriptgenerator
[17:35]  * yofel hits ubottu for not knowing source packages
[17:35] <yofel> the source is qtscriptgenerator in any case
[17:36] <yofel> shadeslayer: you want to do it? I have it on my todo list, but not before UDS probably
[17:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: compiling amarok :P
[17:43] <shadeslayer> i thought it was packaged
[17:43] <yofel> well, amarok is un
[17:43] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[17:43] <yofel> *requires qtscriptgenerator
[17:47] <Riddell> can't amarok just use the qtscriptgenerator from the archives?
[17:48] <Riddell> random e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/43411/
[17:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thats what i'm trying to find ... i can't find qtscriptgenerator in the archives
[17:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: that's the source, the binaries have lib* names
[17:48] <shadeslayer> and the archives are hit pretty hard :)
[17:48] <Riddell> afiestas__: any advice on what to say to http://paste.kde.org/43411/  ?  he's got a problem with bluetooth and strigi
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that is a *strange* problem tbh :D
[17:50] <yofel> archive qtscriptgenerator can't seem to be used with our Qt, the amarok example simply can't find some of the modules
[17:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer,yofel,Riddell: apparently not, I have installed all binary packages from qtscriptgenerator in our repos and it still refused to find it
[17:52] <ScottK> Riddell: You need a standard "I'm on rotation to the bzr team" reply.
[17:52] <shadeslayer> :(
[17:52] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm, not a bad idea
[18:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you look like you completed  your project already
[18:10] <shadeslayer> and you're scaring me
[18:13] <ScottK> Isn't that the trick with GSoC?
[18:14] <ScottK> Write up a proposal that sounds horribly complex and will take all summer, but in reality you can bang out in an afternoon.
[18:14] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[18:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:  yofel: Quintasan nigelb and here i was thinking only wiki.ubuntu.com did it : http://i.imgur.com/o4U1j.png
[18:31] <nigelb> bwahaha
[18:31] <yofel> lol
[18:33] <ScottK> Facebook's is "Internal error, failed to sell your private data".
[18:34] <nhandler> apachelogger: Did you need something?
[18:42] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: around to answer a question about kwin?
[18:44] <afiestas__> Riddell: the only thing In common I can think of is the usage of dbus... 
[18:44] <afiestas__> (between Bluetooth and nepomuk indexer)
[18:44]  * yofel goes rebuilding the newer intel driver from debian to see if it fixes his kwin issues
[18:44] <afiestas__> so not sure what's the solution :/
[18:48] <shadeslayer> yofel: kwin issues like?
[18:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: several effects resulting in refresh rates of ~0.5 FPS?
[18:49] <shadeslayer> ( i just have a nasty issue of not being able to resize konsole )
[18:49] <shadeslayer> ouch
[18:49] <ScottK> afiestas__: I've been subscribing you to some specs I thought you would find interesting.  I hope that's OK.
[18:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: when i move windows around, FPS drops to 15 :/
[18:51] <yofel> yeah, just for me kwin immediately disables the desktop effects if I don't disable functionality checks since it far too slow
[18:51] <yofel> Xrender works fine, and if I disable the 5 effects that xrender doesn't support opengl works fine too again
[18:52] <shadeslayer> yep same here
[18:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you mean facebook is actually based on moinmoin?
[18:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: who knows... it could be
[18:53] <shadeslayer> we shall nevar know
[18:54] <afiestas__> ScottK: no problem
[18:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are scaring me
[18:54] <apachelogger> stop it
[18:54] <ScottK> Facebook is not slow enough for moinmoin.
[18:54] <shadeslayer> no *you* are scaring me 
[18:55] <shadeslayer> ScottK: maybe they optimized it? :P
[18:55] <ScottK> shadeslayer: apachelogger scares everyone.  Get over it.
[18:55] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Not possible.
[18:55] <shadeslayer> oh .. its probably based off java
[18:55] <apachelogger> I am the darth vader of programming.
[18:55] <apachelogger> Whereas Kent Beck is the emperor of programming.
[18:55] <apachelogger> suprisingly enough we both are jahava witnesses
[18:57]  * ScottK was speaking of the Disney mouse princess thing re scaring.
[18:59] <apachelogger> how is that like scaring?
[18:59] <ScottK> It was scary.
[18:59] <apachelogger> oh, perfect use of the new lingo I am learning
[18:59]  * ScottK may be scarred for life.
[18:59] <apachelogger> you are all sorts of hating on my, like wtf, srsly man
[18:59] <apachelogger> this is highly inefficient... a lot of words for no good reason -.-
[18:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: lol :D
[19:00]  * ScottK is kidding.  I'll lay off if it bugs you.
[19:00] <apachelogger> nhandler: I was wondering if there is any chance whatsoever to get overlord control over a channel without having the previous owner around
[19:00] <ScottK> Now that nixternal is no longer pretending to be active and shadeslayer's not in exams, what do I have left?
[19:01] <nhandler> apachelogger: What channel?
[19:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: shadeslayer got assignments now
[19:01] <apachelogger> didnt you read it the other day
[19:01] <shadeslayer> none
[19:01] <apachelogger> nhandler: #phonon
[19:01] <shadeslayer> now
[19:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ScottK sem over ... i'm free for about 3 days now \o/
[19:01] <shadeslayer> then i got exams again :P
[19:01] <apachelogger> nhandler: the current owner and previous maintainer of phonon is kinda MIA
[19:02] <ScottK> And it'll take you three days to get there as heavy as your laptop is.
[19:02] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^^
[19:02] <ScottK> So that doesn't actually add up to time to do something useful.
[19:02] <nhandler> apachelogger: You should read http://blog.freenode.net/2010/06/group-registration-form-verifications/ and send an email to grfprocess@freenode.net . Poke me if you don't get a response in a day or two, and I'll poke the people handling those requests
[19:02] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[19:03] <apachelogger> nhandler: kthx :)
[19:03] <apachelogger> oh
[19:03] <nhandler> apachelogger: No problem.
[19:03]  * shadeslayer is subscribes to specs
[19:03] <apachelogger> nhandler: actually, would it all be possible to have it covered by the KDE group?
[19:03] <apachelogger> cause technically it belongs under the same management umbrella
[19:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: subscribe me to some too
[19:04] <shadeslayer> sure will do
[19:04] <apachelogger> I realize ScottK already made me important :D
[19:04] <apachelogger> ScottK++
[19:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: Can you make a spec for mobile?
[19:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O
[19:04] <ScottK> or maybe rbelem?  ^^^
[19:05] <apachelogger> I have plenty of things to make specs for
[19:05] <apachelogger> but
[19:05]  * apachelogger left his notebook in Graz
[19:05] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:05] <apachelogger> that is why the cloud is the nice
[19:05] <shadeslayer> they say 420 in 2012
[19:05] <apachelogger> though I am going to Graz tomorrow, so can do it Monday
[19:05] <ScottK> OK.
[19:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i might be coming to the DS via Austria :D
[19:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 420 spaceships?
[19:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: " ... 420 copies of his book ... "
[19:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: make sure to pick me up, cause I have not planned the trip yet and will probably fail to do so until a week before or so
[19:06] <apachelogger> which reminds me that I should nicely ask around for sponsorship
[19:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah i have figure out stuff now because i have send a estimate of the costs
[19:07] <apachelogger> "dear red hat inc., would you consider sending me to berlin so I can get wasted and stuff? kindest regards, phononoverlord"
[19:07] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: btw about KDE Telepathy, they're going to have a tech preview nextish month
[19:23] <shadeslayer> ( in regards to desktop-o-kubuntu-packaging )
[19:24] <nhandler> apachelogger: You would need to talk to the KDE Group Contact about that.
[19:29] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: now I can answer kwin related questions
[19:29] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: hey :D ... all my other windows except konsole resize fine
[19:29] <shadeslayer> when i resize konsole i get artefacts ... would this be a kwin bug or a driver bug?
[19:30] <mgraesslin> konsole is an argb window
[19:30] <shadeslayer> i have the nvidia driver
[19:30] <mgraesslin> so most likely driver bug - works fine here ;-)
[19:30] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: oh .. and what are the other windows?
[19:31] <mgraesslin> well problem could be that nvidia released the driver just to get it working with ubuntu, probably with bugs
[19:31] <mgraesslin> other windows are just rgb
[19:31] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:31] <shadeslayer> 270.29-0ubuntu3 was hell tho
[19:32] <shadeslayer> freeze every couple of secs etc
[19:33] <mgraesslin> well xorg changed the abi one day before the new release by that destroying the already finished nvidia driver...
[19:37] <nixternal> ScottK: i never pretend
[19:38] <yofel> well, that konsole resizing bug is against nvidia now in launchpad
[19:47] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[19:53] <ScottK> nixternal: OK.  It's less fun taunting you about it now.  How about that?
[19:54] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I think for this cycle we need to focus on core stuff since Riddell will have less time.
[19:54] <ScottK> That, of course, doesn't stop anyone from working on it if they want.
[20:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, are you bringing fezes to UDS?
[20:10] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yes, and telepathy KDE is still not ready for prime time, altho, it is much easier to configure accounts in telepathy kde as compared to kopete
[20:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: You are being emulated: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-browser