[00:00] <darthanubis> anyone trying owncloud?
[00:00] <darthanubis> can't seem to change the data dir without gettign a permissions error even when the permissions has been changed as per the rror
[00:06] <aibot> i installed kubuntu via wubi, it boots up fine, gets to a screen with the default kubuntu background, but nothing shows up to finish the installation.. havent seen anything in the logs that would tell why
[00:09] <James147> darthanubis: I think you need to change the open_base varible in the php.ini config
[00:09] <aibot> the only thing i notice, is it says ECC not enabled so DRAM is disabled :/
[00:10] <darthanubis> James147: appreciate your time, where is that file?
[00:10] <James147>  /etc/somthing/php.ini :)
[00:10] <James147> probally /etc/php/php.ini
[00:11] <James147> aibot: you rebooted the system right?
[00:12] <James147> it should be one of the options in the bootloader
[00:12] <aibot> yes I have
[00:12] <aibot> i booted into kubuntu, it goes thought he boot, then loads to just a screen with a wallpaper, no post-install setup
[00:13] <James147> aibot: there is not postinstall setup
[00:13] <darthanubis> documentation is close to nil
[00:13] <darthanubis> I guess it's still a work in progress
[00:14] <darthanubis> http://owncloud.org/index.php/Configuration
[00:14] <James147> aibot: once its install its installed... you can boot and start using it
[00:14] <aibot> James147: hmm thought there would be one, well it seems to just stop at a screen with a wallpaper nothing else
[00:14] <James147> aibot: hmm, that dosnt sound right
[00:14] <aibot> James147: nothing in logs point to a failure besides a note about ECC not being enabled and DRAM module cannot be loaded due to it
[00:15] <aibot> James147: ubuntu wubi worked fine, installed, booted it up and it loaded 100%... kubuntuis not doing the same
[00:15] <James147> aibot:  what version of kubuntu?
[00:16] <aibot> James147: latest, 11.04... maybe ill need to burn as a live cd and try :/
[00:16] <James147> aibot: worth a try
[00:17] <aibot> James147: yeah, thanks... just wounder it stange for ubuntu to work and kubuntu to not, maybe its a bug dunno, well thanks for the help :)
[00:19] <James147> darthanubis: I think your problem is with a security feature in php... from what I can tell it can only access directorys listed in open_base viraible in the php.ini file
[00:21] <darthanubis> James147: looking into it, because when I manually create the dir, I get the message that my dir is readable from the web
[00:21] <darthanubis> which means nothing to me
[00:21] <darthanubis> I thought that was the idea
[00:24] <Daxar> Woo, Natty here I come.
[00:24] <darthanubis>  /etc/php5/apache2
[00:26] <darthanubis> James147: open_base variable is clear
[00:26] <James147> hm
[00:31] <James147> darthanubis: dont know why its empty ...
[00:37] <DRuser> hi, I was running11.04 off of a USB thumb drive, and it the interface is so very fragile, everything got goobered, so I just restarted the computer.. but to my horror, the interface came up exactly the same as it was...  It saves it to the usb key somehow...  What file do I delete to restore my USB key to factory fresh?
[00:39] <DRuser> Also, when trying to get my broadcom wifi running, it wanted to install linux-headers or something, and under previous versions, I was able to get my wifi up without a network connection by using stuff from pool... This appears to not be working now
[01:09] <RVN_> Hey, does anyone know why it takes so long for 11.04 to detect my usb mouse at startup?
[01:10] <RVN_> it disables my mouse at the login screen
[01:20] <introuble> i have many rows in ms excel/oo worksheet containing numbers like 03004210000 , 030042510000 and so on. i can manullay scroll them and make a list of 03004210000 to 03004219999 (ten thousand each) but its very hard to do it for all. is there an automatic way?
[01:29] <mohamad> Hi, please, somebody knows some desktop record for KDE?
[01:44] <mohamad> How can I record with sound in recorditnow?
[02:18] <zazaza> Can someone help me with Amarok? I'm new to Linux in general and it's not playing mp3s even though I thought it auto installed support for mp3 files.
[02:19] <zazaza> It's just saying the mp3 plugin is needed.
[02:20] <bazhang> !find libxine
[02:20] <bazhang> !info libxine1-ffmpeg
[02:21] <zazaza> o_o
[02:22] <zazaza> Well when I run libxinel-ffmpeg in the konsole it says Unable to locate package
[02:23] <bazhang> when you install it?
[02:23] <zazaza> Well through the konsole, but I'm trying it through the "Get and Remove Software"
[02:23] <zazaza> This is my first day with any other OS besides Windows so sorry Lol
[02:24] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[02:24] <bazhang> in the konsole ^
[02:24] <zazaza> Yeah when I did that it said package not found etc
[02:24] <zazaza> But
[02:25] <bazhang> all the repos enabled?
[02:25] <zazaza> I think I was able to install from Get and Remove Software
[02:25] <zazaza> I'm not sure
[02:25] <zazaza> Idk how to enable them
[02:26] <zazaza> Now it's saying that libxinel-ffmpeg is at the latest version, but Amarok is still saying it needs the plugin.
[02:27] <bazhang> zazaza, which plugin
[02:27] <zazaza>  MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3)
[02:27] <bazhang> zazaza, you completely quit and restarted amarok? not just sent to tray, but completely quit?
[02:28] <zazaza> Oh
[02:28] <zazaza> Didn't realize Linux did that
[02:28] <zazaza> Let me see
[02:28] <bazhang> well Amarok does
[02:28] <zazaza> Oh is Amarok a good player by the way?
[02:29] <zazaza> Oh it's working now.
[02:29] <zazaza> Thanks a lot
[02:29] <bazhang> sure, its very good. there are a ton you can try (alternatives) as well
[02:29] <bazhang> !players
[02:30] <zazaza> Well I'm fine with Amarok I just didn't know if it sucked or something cause it was default.
[02:30] <zazaza> Is Ktorrent good too? I've been used to uTorrent
[02:31] <bazhang> its fine
[02:31] <bazhang> !torrent
[02:31] <bazhang> zazaza, some others ^
[02:33] <zazaza> I tried getting utorrent again but I didn't understand how to install it cause it was a tar.gz file.
[02:33] <Guest42240> guys i can't upgrade to 11.04 using the update manger whenever i click on upgrade it shows me an error "failed to download release note, check your internet connection"
[02:33] <bazhang> zazaza, better to use stuff from the package manager, unless you want to personally upgrade your own packages each and every time
[02:34] <zazaza> What is that?
[02:35] <zazaza> Like synaptic?
[02:35] <bazhang> zazaza, things from the ubuntu software repositories (repos) and not from random websites
[02:36] <zazaza> Oh... okay
[02:36] <bazhang> apt-get kpackagekit synaptic ubuntu software center etc
[02:36] <bazhang> they do all the updating upgrading for you automatically, though it may not be the very newest version, its the most stable and tested one
[02:37] <bazhang> ktorrent is fine, as is transmission and many others in that list
[02:38] <zazaza> Okay well I'll just keep Ktorrent then. And with Kpackage do I just need to search for upgrades from time to time? Or does it just auto do it?
[02:38] <zazaza> Or do I need to set it to make it do it automatically
[02:41] <bazhang> zazaza, you can set it to when you want to check, or just do it manually from time to time, really up to you
[02:42] <zazaza> Can I just do apt-get update all
[02:42] <bazhang> well the actual commands are sudo apt-get update  , followed by sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:43] <zazaza> oh
[02:43] <zazaza> Well if I do that every so often I'll be fine?
[02:43] <bazhang> the first updates the package list, the second checks it and installs upgrades if available, plus security updates (new kernels and the like)
[02:43] <bazhang> yep
[03:07] <Guest75102> Hi all,is there a need to upgrade kubuntu 11.04, has someone done this,how the performance in kubuntu 11.04?
[03:08] <ffiasco> anyone have a link for getting broadcom air force one cards working?
[03:13] <ffiasco> anyone have a link for getting broadcom air force one cards working?
[03:20] <ffiasco> anyone have a link for getting broadcom air force one cards working?
[03:29] <Macer> ok.... i seriously have to ask
[03:29] <Macer> what happened to openoffice? what is this libre office that popped up after i updated to natty?
[03:36] <spencer> i was wondering if i could get some help
[03:37] <MK``> Are releases like 10.04.1, that have been superseded by 10.04.2, supported, or is only the most recent point release supported?
[03:37] <spencer> i deleted the root folder from places and was wondering if i could reset it somehow to get it back
[03:37] <MK``> Macer: LibreOffice forced from OpenOffice
[03:37] <MK``> spencer: you deleted /? is that even possible?
[03:37] <MK``> Or do you mean the shortcut to it
[03:38] <spencer> no it was just the shortcut from places
[03:38] <MK``> Ah, you can re-add it yeah, I am not running KDE right now so I do not know how, but it's possible, someone here can tell you
[03:38] <spencer> thanks
[03:39] <spencer> i tried adding it manually but when i click on it it doesn't have root priviliges
[03:40] <spencer> on the shortcut it had them
[03:40] <MK``> ah, no idea. I am still a beginner
[03:40] <spencer> yeah me too
[03:41] <spencer> i had kubuntu and ubuntu for a couple of years now
[03:41] <MK``> I got into Ubuntu like 2 months ago :P
[03:42] <shane4ubuntu1> Look out Kubuntu, influx coming your way. :)
[03:43] <MK``> heh
[03:43] <spencer> i tried something
[03:43] <shane4ubuntu1> I'm really toying with switching back over to Kubuntu, Unity is not ready for prime time, and gnome is well, going through a change, like that of kde3 > kde4
[03:44] <spencer> im gonna reboot
[03:44] <MK``> I installed the kubuntu-desktop package from ubuntu myself :P
[03:45] <shane4ubuntu1> MK``: I spent about a month or two with Kubuntu before the 11.04 release, went back to gnome just before, but I'm thinking I'm going to bail ship.
[03:45] <RVN_> Anyone getting any issues with USB mouse after installing 11.04?
[03:45] <RVN_> takes forever for it to detect the mouse
[03:45] <spencer> nope didn't work
[03:48] <cba123> I'm running Kubuntu Natty.  Can't seem to get my static IP set.  I made a fresh one in knetwork manager, when I click it from the knetworkmanager widget pop-up thing, it doesn't enable.  Any ideas?
[04:03] <khindenburg> if I have 2 system I want to upgrade to 11.04 - can I share the downloaded files?  if so, where are they?
[04:08] <shane4ubuntu1> khindenburg: they are going to be in /var/cache/apt/?
[04:08] <shane4ubuntu1> archives is that last folder
[04:09] <Macer> can someone tell me why my console is utterly slow?
[04:09] <Macer> i can literally see it redrawing it line by line even if i disable the higher res vesa
[04:09] <shane4ubuntu1> khindenburg: you can copy them over, and it will save time on the download, use root to copy, it is more of a hack than proper procedure, there are better ways to do that, but in a pinch that works.
[04:09] <khindenburg> ok emtxs found th
[04:10] <khindenburg> hmm, upgrade on my laptop has strange effect on keys
[04:21] <tiresias> hello all
[04:23] <tiresias> why  %sudo ALL=(NOPASSWD:ALL) ALL   doesn't work in the sudoers please?
[04:27] <iPseudo> Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfonts-100dpi/xfonts-100dpi_1.0.3_all.deb 403  Forbidden
[04:27] <iPseudo> anyone else get that when trying to upgrade
[04:27] <iPseudo> ?
[04:28] <Chris_H> Hi, does anyone have trouble with the blur plugin?
[04:28] <Chris_H> using intel drivers?
[04:32] <Macer> hm
[04:33] <Macer> well. i just disabled the vesa console
[04:33] <Macer> vbe does not seem to agree with my video card :)
[04:35] <Chris_H> whats vesa console?
[04:39] <Linkmaster> Does anybody happen to know how to disable the "remember authorization" for downloading packages? I'm getting tired of unchecking the box. I'd rather punch my code in every time then accidentally compromise my system
[05:06] <ubuntu> hi, I have a 3.5gb hd, and I want to install kubuntu on it... I am pretty sure it will fit... it just requires 3.8gb
[05:07] <ubuntu> so I am poking thru ubiquity to find the testing critera.. or specifications for the install.. so I can change it to 3.0 GB required
[05:08] <ubuntu> does anybody know what file to edit?   I am poking at /usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/   and have already grepped everything for 3.8 and has at least
[06:52] <Keshl> I just wanna say, rev 211 of Wubi fixed my issue. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, ignore me. If you do know, thanks, whoever fixed it)
[07:24] <akashkj> Got Kubuntu 11.04
[07:24] <akashkj> But the desktop plasma shell keeps crashing
[07:25] <akashkj> Can anyone plzzz help
[07:25] <akashkj> My desktop plasma shell keeps crashing
[07:25] <akashkj> i am not able to change my wallappaper
[07:25] <akashkj> !!
[07:25] <akashkj> Aid me !!
[07:26] <Keshl> Patience is a virtue.
[07:27] <akashkj> :P
[07:27] <akashkj> Now aid me !!
[07:27] <DarthFrog> The necessity for patience is a PITA!
[07:27] <akashkj> Baaaaaaaaaah !!
[07:28] <akashkj> HeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllppppppppppPP!!
[07:32] <akashkj> !!!!!!!!!
[07:32] <akashkj> Aid me !!
[07:33] <James147> akashkj: you are not going to get help if you demand it
[07:36] <tangent3> hello, has anyone had their microphones stopped working (or becomes really soft) after upgrading to 11.04 and know how to fix that?
[07:36] <James147> tangent3: you check alsamixer to see if the volumes ahve changed?
[07:37] <tangent3> i'll check that now, but i thought i'm using alsa
[07:40] <tangent3> James147: ok found the problem, it's got the wrong input source selected
[07:40] <tangent3> thanks
[07:41] <Keshl> Do I need to do apt-get upgrade before apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:42] <DarthFrog> Keshl: You should do "apt-get update" first.  "update" not "upgrade".
[07:43] <Keshl> DarthFrog: Did that already.
[07:43] <James147> Keshl: you shouldnt really run upgrade before dist-upgrade... if anything that willl probally break things :)
[07:43] <DarthFrog> Keshl: I have an alias set in my .bash_aliases file: alias update="sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[07:43] <Keshl> Oh great two conflicting posts >w<'
[07:44] <DarthFrog> Keshl: No conflict.
[07:44] <Keshl> ...? So, just dist-upgrade then? No upgrade?
[07:44] <DarthFrog> Right.
[07:44] <Keshl> thanks, owo.
[07:45] <James147> Keshl: just so you know: apt-get upgrade will upgrade existing packages that it finds are newer but that DONOT require other packages to be removed or installed... dist-upgrade dose the same but will isntall new packages or removed uneeded ones
[07:45] <Keshl> Ah, that explains a bit.
[07:47] <James147> DarthFrog: does apt-get have full-upgrade?
[07:48] <Zenguy_pc> how can I stop my porn from appearing in .thumnnails
[07:49] <Zenguy_pc> .thumbnails
[07:49] <Keshl> Zenguy_pc: Don't download porn. <.<
[07:49] <James147> ^^ or at least dont prewview it :)
[07:49] <Zenguy_pc> Keshl: you're asking too much of me
[07:49] <DarthFrog> James147: What would be the difference between dist-upgrade and full-upgrade?  Upgrade to a new release?
[07:50] <James147> Zenguy_pc: I believe, but am not certian that they are generate for the previews
[07:50] <Zenguy_pc> just discovered gwenview.. greastest tool ever
[07:50] <Keshl> Zenguy_pc: Okay, then use windows. If you're in a Linux-styule workplace, nobody would dare even boot windows. You'd be fine.
[07:50] <James147> DarthFrog: nah, just aliases... I know aptitude has them both... keeps dist-upgrade for backwards compatability
[07:50] <Keshl> Zenguy_pc: Dual-boot it, obviously.
[07:51] <Zenguy_pc> on windows I disabled thumbnails but on linux it's far more useful though
[07:51] <James147> DarthFrog: bu renamed it since it makes more sence and stop people asking "But I dont want to upgrade to the new version"
[07:51] <DarthFrog> James147: AFAIK, dist-upgrade is it.
[07:52] <James147> Zenguy_pc: try just turning off the previews... you can add a button to the toolbar to toggle them, but you cannot get around having previews without thumnils
[07:52] <Zenguy_pc> is there anyway to make .thumbnails as tmpfs
[07:52] <James147> Zenguy_pc: where are they stored? in a single folder?
[07:53] <Zenguy_pc> James147: i think preveiws from dolphin.gwenview and gthumb all got to /home/user/.thumbnails/
[07:53] <James147> Zenguy_pc: if so then just mount that location to tmpfs
[07:54] <Zenguy_pc> James147: I have no idea how to do that ..i don;t even know if tmpfs actually can be recvarable
[07:55] <James147> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1054129
[07:55] <lohit> i always want to reload alsa when ever i boot into kubuntu 11.04
[07:55] <James147> just replace /tmp with the location you want in ram and the size=???m to the max size of it
[07:56] <James147> (also use kdesudo kate rather then sudo gedit) ^^
[07:59] <Keshl> (Off topic-ish: Just saying, this has got to be the second most epic support channel ever. A guy walks in, and rather than going "How do I keep these previews from showing up in .thumbnails?" he just asks straight-up about porn, and you help him like it's nothing. Epic, just epic. Love y'all. <.<)
[08:00] <Zenguy_pc> James147: tmpfs only exists in physocal ram not swap?
[08:01] <James147> Zenguy_pc: no, it is part of the vritual memory so can be in swap
[08:01] <James147> Zenguy_pc: but if you ahve more then 2 gigs of ram you dont really need swap for most things
[08:01] <James147> 2gigs or more
[08:01] <James147> havnt used swap in years without any problems
[08:01] <Zenguy_pc> James147: i HAVE ONLY 1.5GB OF RAM
[08:02] <Zenguy_pc> sorry caps
[08:02] <Keshl> James147: Hibernation without TOE.
[08:02] <James147> Zenguy_pc: do you use allot of heavy ram programs? do you actually use the swap space at all?
[08:02] <James147> Keshl: o yeah, and hybernations :)
[08:03] <Keshl> James147: With TOE (Tux on Ice), it can hibernate to a file on any partition. Just to clarify. <.< Otherwise, it only hibernates to Swap.
[08:03] <James147> Keshl: though I never use that :) sleep or shutdown for me :D kde almost acts like it hibernates when you reboot anyway
[08:04] <James147> Zenguy_pc: The other option is to encrypt the swap drive ^^ then you dont really ahve to worry about wahts in it
[08:06] <Zenguy_pc> Zenguy_pc: do you have a guide for that?
[08:06] <Zenguy_pc> i was wondering when I type in passwords to websites does swap retain that?
[08:08] <James147> Zenguy_pc: if its stored in ram it can be stored in swap... though I doupt passwords would get a change to be swaped out... at least a well behaved program should get the password, authenticate then scrub it from memory...
[08:09] <Zenguy_pc> James147: does truecrypt do that?
[08:09] <James147> Zenguy_pc: and you have far mroe to worry about with typing it password to websites then what gets left in swap
[08:10] <Zenguy_pc> James147: oh ok
[08:10] <James147> Zenguy_pc: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[08:14] <Zenguy_pc> James147: well i'll try to encrypt swap and mount the folder as tmpfs
[08:14] <Zenguy_pc> thanks
[08:14] <Zenguy_pc> alot
[08:22] <keithzg> arghh, this old P4 is causing me nothing but problems; first it wouldn't network boot, so I had to actually burn a CD (what is this, 1999?) and now the installer isn't seeing any hard drives.
[08:24] <bios_> hello I just installed kubuntu 11.04 but the wifi is not working (its just not connecting to a protected wifi) any fix on that?
[08:26] <bios_> on unity it works fine
[08:26] <James147> bios_: wpa or wep?
[08:26] <bios_> wpa
[08:27] <keithzg> When you go into the settings for that network, it shows you the correct passkey?
[08:27] <bios_> yeah
[08:27] <keithzg> Odd.
[08:27] <bios_> its just trying to connect and after a while it ask for the key again
[08:27] <bios_> but its the right one I had entered serverals times
[08:27] <keithzg> What exactly does the dialog box asking you say?
[08:28] <bios_> just the regular "enter password" dialog with a blank input box
[08:28] <bios_> like if you connect the first time to a password-protected wifi
[08:29] <keithzg> Just trying to make sure it's not a different dialog box (since that's about the same time it'd be asking you for your password for KWallet)
[08:30] <keithzg> that's the only thing I can think of other than an outright bug.
[08:30] <bios_> I disabled kwallet
[08:30] <bios_> : p
[08:30] <keithzg> Wouldn't be surprised if that's part of the problem somehow, dunno. Can you simply run Unity's network manager instead, then?
[08:30] <bios_> btw: is the knetworkmanager working on a different basis than the gnome/unity network manager or is it more than an interface
[08:31] <bios_> I can give it a try
[08:31] <bios_> brb
[08:31] <bios_> : p
[08:31] <keithzg> They both just talk to NetworkManager
[08:31] <bios_> thats even more crazy
[08:31] <bios_> :S
[08:31] <keithzg> but they store the connection info on their own, I believe.
[08:33] <keithzg> Yeah weird, the Kubuntu installer isn't seeing the drives but, for example, GParted spies them just fine.
[08:34]  * keithzg should know better than to try and use the graphical installer . . . there's always SOME showstopping bug
[08:40] <spaz> hey, i can't get 5.1 sourround sound to work. I've tried fiddling with a lot of settings, and nothing seems to do the trick. 11.04
[08:41] <bios_> keithzg:  why the hell its working now : p
[08:42] <James147> spaz: System settings > multimedia > phonon> speaker setup
[08:42] <spaz> James147: those are the settings I've bene messing with
[08:42] <bios_> just a few other questions, is it possible to make a global hotkey for starting a terminal? just like in gnome?
[08:42] <keithzg> bios_: Magic! . . . yeah, I dunno, NetworkManager is tempermental that way sometimes.
[08:42] <keithzg> Oh definitely.
[08:43] <keithzg> System Setting -> Shortcuts and Gestures
[08:43] <keithzg> ...although I always use Yakuake, in which case the command for terminal is just F12 ;)
[08:43] <lohit> hello i installed kubuntu 11.04 ,but i want to reload alsa every time when i boot the system ,to make the headphone jack to work please help me out
[08:44] <James147> bios_: right click kmenu > edit menu > findthe app you want > advanced...
[08:44]  * keithzg doesn't know how he'd live, if he had to use the Terminal with anything other than Yakuake.
[08:45] <bios_> awesome thx : p
[08:47] <bios_> thx to unity that i had a look again on kde its quite fast these days : p
[08:47] <James147> keithzg: :D why not ? I find the terminal far nicer when you ahve lots of windows everywhere :D
[08:51] <spaz> James147: and now, i don't know what i've done that I haven't undone, but I don't have any sound at all
[08:51] <spaz> which is even worse than suffering a downgrade from 5.1 to 2.0
[08:52] <spaz> actually, it may have been 2.1, but still...
[08:52] <James147> spaz: logout and back in... I found the settings to be a bit temprmental sometimes
[08:52] <spaz> James147: thats why I just rejoined the chat, I wholly restarted the computer
[08:53] <James147> spaz: when I was trying to get 5.1 to work i did all sorts of weird things until it sudenly just worked :S
[08:53] <James147> spaz: try resetting pulse
[08:53] <spaz> how should I go about doing that?
[08:53] <James147> spaz: delete or rename ~/.pulse ~/.pulse-cookie
[08:53] <spaz> also, why is my name spaz right now xD
[08:54] <James147> and anyother files the have pulse in their name you can see :)
[08:55] <bigbrovar> anyone having issues using akonadi google resource to sync with google calenda and contacts? it keeps saying invalid passwords
[08:56] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: do I need to logout/in to have it reload settings and such?
[08:56] <bigbrovar> I had this doing the development circle, but a work around (which involves compiling from source) fixed it. But with the release of Kubuntu 11.04 it seems the bug is back
[08:56] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: yes
[08:56] <bigbrovar> even though the launchpad report makes it as fixed
[08:56] <bigbrovar> it seems google akonadi data is broken
[08:59] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: alright, I have sound again.
[08:59] <Spaz_Dynamic> xD
[09:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> now I just need to figure out why the hell 5.1 doesn't work.
[09:00] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: Ooo wait I rember what i did
[09:00] <Spaz_Dynamic> when I change the speaker setup to one of the 5.1 sets, it claims that the device isn't working
[09:01] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#Surround_sound_systems  ^^ its for arch and I am not sure where the configs are on kubuntu but I think tahts what got it working for me
[09:02] <Spaz_Dynamic> lol, this is the second or third article you've suggested to me that was for arch linux
[09:02] <Spaz_Dynamic> like, in the last week
[09:02] <James147> Spaz_Dynamic:  :) sorry, I find their wiki very useful
[09:02] <Spaz_Dynamic> never said I had a problem with it. xD
[09:04] <Spaz_Dynamic> is there a way to restart pulse without logging?
[09:04] <Spaz_Dynamic> like modprobe, or 'restart xxxx'
[09:05] <Spaz_Dynamic> though modprobe is for modules...
[09:05] <Spaz_Dynamic> xD
[09:06] <Macer> ugh
[09:06] <Macer> for the life of me i can't figure out why this computer keeps just freezing up on me
[09:07] <Macer> in a last ditch effort i just updated the bios
[09:07] <Macer> since i put an awesome dual core opteron in it.. maybe the bios was too old to support it
[09:07] <Macer> :)
[09:12] <Spaz_Dynamic> James147: hmm, doesn't seem to have changed anything by changing the default-audio-sample
[09:51] <c2tarun> anyone using kubuntu natty on dell inspiron N4010?
[09:53] <ruan> where are the song position controls in amarok? can't find them anywhere
[09:55] <ruan> nevermind, the toolbar disappeared somehow. had to switch to bring it back
[09:57] <ruan> though i can't move the position marker, no matter where i click
[09:57] <bigbrovar> is anyone getting random crash and reboots with kubuntu natty?
[10:06] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: well I am getting system freezing but not crashes
[10:06] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: what wireless card are u using?
[10:06] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: broadcom
[10:07] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: I know
[10:07] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: how?
[10:07] <bigbrovar> I was getting the freezes too, it got so bad. but was able to get a work around it
[10:07] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: how did you fixed it?
[10:09] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: ping
[10:10] <bigbrovar> c2tarun:
[10:10] <bigbrovar> sorry was disconnected
[10:10] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: yup, how did you fix it?
[10:10] <bigbrovar> first of all tell me ur exact wireless card
[10:10] <bigbrovar> in any case here is the deal
[10:11] <bigbrovar> broadcom released their wireless driver as open source a while back
[10:11] <bigbrovar> that released was included in the kernel (afaik) but the particular driver is buggy and its the cus of the freeze
[10:12] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: how can I tell you my exact wireless card, If i'll switch on my wifi it'll freeze the system
[10:12] <bigbrovar> before natty most broadcom drivers relied on the closed source binary only driver
[10:13] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: calm down dude just trynna help
[10:13] <bigbrovar> calm here too with my own issues :)
[10:13] <bigbrovar> anyway the trick is to blacklist the open source driver module from loading
[10:13] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: sorry :)
[10:13] <bigbrovar> and to do this u have to edit this file
[10:14] <c2tarun> which file?
[10:15] <bigbrovar> hold on
[10:15] <bigbrovar> am gonna pastebin it for u
[10:15] <c2tarun> sure :)
[10:16] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: from commandline go to /etc/modprobe.d
[10:16] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: are u good with commandline or need ur hands held?
[10:16] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: I am good :)
[10:17] <bigbrovar> cool
[10:17] <Magnusson> can someone gimme a hand? in kde 4.5 i could right click icons i added to my panel, say dolphin for example. and input a keyboard shortcut to open it, now in 4.6 either the option seems to have moved or something, can someone point me in the direction?
[10:18] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: now tell me if u can find a file named  broadcom-sta-common.conf
[10:18] <bigbrovar> if not u would have to create one
[10:18] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: where do you want to look me for file? in /etc or in file /etc/modprobe.d?
[10:19] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: well its not in both places.
[10:19] <bigbrovar> so u cd to /etc/modprobe.d and ls to see if u find a file named broadcom-sta-common.conf
[10:19] <bigbrovar> yeah /etc/modprobe.d
[10:20] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: any luck? am in a hurry and internet here is unstable :/
[10:20] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: nope there is no such file
[10:20] <bigbrovar> anyway if u cant find the file u might have to create one
[10:20] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: and I didn't installed the addition STA driver from additional driver list.
[10:20] <bigbrovar> create a file named broadcom-sta-common.conf
[10:21] <bigbrovar>  and populate it with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/601224/
[10:21] <bigbrovar> notice line 7 brcm80211 (the offending driver) is blacklisted
[10:22] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: done
[10:22] <bigbrovar> once u have done this
[10:22] <bigbrovar> u then go to /etc/modules
[10:22] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: and then add lw to the end of the file
[10:23] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: done
[10:23] <bigbrovar> when u are done save and close
[10:23] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: done
[10:23] <bigbrovar> then install the following package
[10:23] <bigbrovar> broadcom-sta-common
[10:23] <bigbrovar> sudo apt-get install broadcom-sta-common
[10:24] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: its installing.
[10:24] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: what after that?
[10:24] <bigbrovar> then reboot ur system, turn on the wireless and hold ur breath
[10:24] <bigbrovar> if no freeze comes up
[10:24] <bigbrovar> go to kmenu or kicker menu
[10:24] <bigbrovar> and fire additional drivers
[10:25] <bigbrovar> it should tell u u need to install some drivers and bla bla
[10:25] <bigbrovar> enable the driver and ur wireless would work
[10:25] <bigbrovar> that was how I solved my problem
[10:25] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: let me know if it worked for u
[10:26] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: one more help please, can you please tell me how did you find this method?
[10:26] <bigbrovar> well I came up with it
[10:26] <bigbrovar> after a series of pain and trouble shooting
[10:27] <bigbrovar> no one could help
[10:27] <bigbrovar> so I was on my own
[10:27] <c2tarun> bigbrovar:  you are good :) I got this message while installing http://paste.kde.org/42877/
[10:27] <c2tarun> while installing broadcom-sta-common
[10:28] <bigbrovar> I at first didnt know why my system would freeze and even livecd would freeze
[10:28] <bigbrovar> yeah choose N
[10:28] <bigbrovar> it wants to overide the file u edited
[10:28] <bigbrovar> just tell it to leave it alone
[10:28] <bigbrovar> or u can tell it to overide and make the edit again
[10:28] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: ok I am going to switch on my wifi.
[10:28] <bigbrovar> not now
[10:28] <bigbrovar> after u reboot
[10:28] <bigbrovar> the bad module is still loaded
[10:29] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: ok, reboot first
[10:29] <bigbrovar> yeah
[10:29]  * c2tarun rebooting
[10:29] <bigbrovar> good luck
[10:33] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: so?
[10:33] <delac> where is the setting for the new blue grub2 background color located (and how to change it)?
[10:36] <c2tarun_> bigbrovar: ping
[10:36] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: and?
[10:36] <bigbrovar> any luck?
[10:36] <c2tarun_> bigbrovar: it worked :) dude you are life saver ;)
[10:36] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: u welcome :)
[10:37]  * bigbrovar at least I proved myself useful today 
[10:37] <c2tarun_> bigbrovar: I am going to post this method on my blog :) may be other may get help from it'
[10:38] <bigbrovar> was just gonna blog about it myself :)
[10:38] <bigbrovar> the more the merrier :)
[10:39] <c2tarun_> bigbrovar: also give me the link to your blog, I'll mention it in my post.
[10:39] <bigbrovar> c2tarun_: cool I will when am done.
[10:40] <bigbrovar> c2tarun_: I wanted someone to test the walk around first. so I know am not crazy
[10:40] <bigbrovar> cus when I had the issue no one could understand it
[10:40] <c2tarun_> bigbrovar: :)
[10:42] <c2tarun_> bigbrovar: dont know why but my system is performing bit slow, I am gonna reboot
[10:42] <bigbrovar> u can always ctrl + esc
[10:42] <bigbrovar> to find out what is eating the cpu
[10:43] <bigbrovar> most times in my case its always some virtuso process which is linked with strigi + nepomuk
[10:43] <bigbrovar> I just disable them
[10:43] <bigbrovar> c2tarun_: .
[10:44] <ruan> when i start file indexing it gives me a floating point error
[10:44] <paolinux> hi
[10:45] <ruan> (nepomukservicestub), signal: Floating point exception
[10:46] <delac> hmm, so it seems that the grub2 background color is located in /lib/plymouth/themes/default.grub. Does anyone know if this setting can be changed with some graphical settings manager?
[10:49] <James147> delac: that dosnt sound right ^^
[10:49] <James147> !grub2
[10:50] <delac> James147: I traced the file from /etc/grub.d. I think it is right, but haven't tested it yet...
[10:50] <yofel> James147: that's actually right
[10:50] <James147> delac: you shouldnt need to edit anything in /lib
[10:50] <James147> yofel: :S
[10:50] <wernerm> Hi Everyone
[10:50] <James147> yofel: can you not set it in /etc/default/grub?
[10:51] <yofel> it was the resolution the ubuntu devs came up so we don't have to use their violet grub background
[10:51] <yofel> well, it's a theming thing, so they thought bundling it with plymouth was better...
[10:51] <James147> hmm
[10:52] <yofel> doesn't really help in making it configurable though
[10:52] <yofel> well, at least the grub background isn't aubergine anymore for us though
[10:53] <wernerm> I'm having a problem with upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04 :| I'm not sure whether it's my CD (checksum was fine) or the remote repo that's causing the problem. I'm upgradnig using the alternate CD.
[10:53] <wernerm> Failed to fetch cdrom:[Kubuntu 11.04 _Natty Narwhal_ - Release i386 (20110426.3)]/pool/main/p/python2.7/python2.7-minimal_2.7.1-5ubuntu2_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch
[10:53] <wernerm> ^ What must I do now?
[10:53] <James147> yofel: you looked at brug yet?
[10:53] <FloodBotK1> wernerm: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:53] <yofel> you mean BURG? nope
[10:53] <James147> yeah :)
[10:54] <iDanielSan> hey guys
[10:56] <iDanielSan> stupid question, does anyone know how to set restore point on Kubuntu 10.04?
[10:57] <c2tarun> iDanielSan: I dont think you can set restore point. but you can create backup
[10:57] <James147> restore points? Think that depends on teh filesystem your using
[10:58] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: I just rebooted my system and now my network-manager is not detecting any wifi connection :( though it is not freezing system :)
[10:58]  * James147 thinkgs lvm can set restore points ^^ but dosnt think kubuntu default will
[10:58] <yofel> well, btrfs will have snapshotting from a FS point in the future, but in 10.04 I think you need LVM
[10:59] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: did u remember to add lw to /etc/modules?
[10:59] <c2tarun> bigbrovar:
[10:59] <c2tarun> yup
[10:59] <bigbrovar> can u check with the additional drivers?
[10:59] <iDanielSan> i mean my intension is to upgrade my System from 10.04 to 11.04. the system is very customized so im a lil afraid of this step, so anything like a restorepoint would be nice
[10:59] <bigbrovar> u might have to install the linux kernel headers too
[11:00] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: how?
[11:00] <c2tarun> and I just checked by ctrl+esc and Xorg is eating 20% of my cpu
[11:00] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: apt-get install linux-headers-generic
[11:01] <James147> iDanielSan: full system backup is the best
[11:01] <bigbrovar> and also dkms
[11:01] <iDanielSan> Thank you James147
[11:01] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: both are already installed
[11:01] <bigbrovar> hmm
[11:02] <iDanielSan> do recommend any SW for a full backup?
[11:02] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: check the additional driver again to be sure its still has ur broadcom driver enabled
[11:02] <iDanielSan> or just do it manually?
[11:02] <c2tarun> iDanielSan: http://www.tricksfind.in/2011/04/hello-friends-i-have-been-testing.html
[11:03] <iDanielSan> thx guys
[11:03] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: its enabled.
[11:04] <iDanielSan> well it's kinda weird that Kubuntu can't do restorepointsdon't u think?
[11:04] <bigbrovar> and ur wireless hardware button is on? hmmm
[11:04] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: yup, its on. system is getting slower and slower :( Xorg is taking 20% cpu. What is it?
[11:04] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: can u do a ifconfig to see if the wireless interface is detected bu the system
[11:05] <iDanielSan> i mean as much as i like this OS. but this should be basic functions
[11:05] <yofel> iDanielSan: that's something that will be there in the future once the btrfs filesystem isn't experimental anymore. But for now you would need a LVM setup which can be tricky to manage
[11:06] <c2tarun> bigbrovar: yup its detected http://paste.ubuntu.com/601252/
[11:06] <yofel> you can setup LVM using the alternate installer though
[11:06] <yofel> the live installer doesn't support LVM
[11:06] <PasNox> >cleqr
[11:07] <PasNox> hello i installed last kubuntu and now my keyboard is qwerty while i was azerty before the upgradem i can t found where to change thatm any hint ?
[11:08] <bigbrovar> c2tarun: hmmm I really cant say .. never had that problem
[11:10] <ruan> PasNox: keyboard settings?
[11:10] <yofel> PasNox: system settings -> input devices -> keyboard model maybe?
[11:11] <yofel> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration if it's an issue in the TTYs too
[11:11] <PasNox> i4; in the settings i can choose apple alu iso
[11:11] <PasNox> but not the qwerty azerty setup
[11:13] <delac> is there a way to edit Kates menu bar? (Expecially the Tools-menu)
[11:14] <delac> maybe some xml-file or something?
[11:14] <PasNox> ah i set to generic 105 keys then back to apple seem to have worked! let reboot .. thanks
[11:14] <James147>  delac I think so...
[11:15] <James147> delac: try ~/.kde/share/apps/kate/kateui.rc
[11:17] <delac> James147: well, I don't seem to have it on default. Any thoughts what might generate it?
[11:17] <James147> not sure
[11:18] <James147> try changing a tool bar
[11:18] <James147> then exiting kate
[11:20] <Doedeldummbatz> hi
[11:29] <PasNox> ba after reboot style qwerty ...
[11:32] <tdn> When I close the lid on my laptop, the screen is locked. How do I prevent this?
[11:33] <ruan> tdn: go to power profile settings
[11:35] <tdn> ruan, thanks.
[11:35] <tdn> When I  pull the AC power on my laptop, the screen is locked. How do I prevent this?
[11:35] <ruan> tdn: global power settings, when running on x power use profile that doesnt lock screen
[11:36] <tdn> ruan, huh? What should I do?
[11:36] <ghfx> hello
[11:36] <ruan> tdn: search "global" on the application launcher
[11:37] <ghfx> im having problems with opengl fx
[11:37] <tdn> ruan, yes, now I am in Global Settings Power Management.
[11:37] <tdn> Then what?
[11:37] <ruan> tdn: when AC adapter is unplugged, use default profile
[11:37] <ghfx> im running kubuntu on fujitsu esprimo
[11:37] <tdn> ruan, this is my options: http://i.imgur.com/NrTx3.png
[11:38] <tdn> ruan, what t ochange?
[11:38] <ghfx> and cant get opengl running
[11:38] <ghfx> can annyone help?
[11:39] <James147> tdn: what version of kde are you on?
[11:49] <tdn> James147, 4.6.2
[11:50] <tdn> ruan, ?
[11:51] <James147> tdn: first, uncheck lock screen on resume from that dialog then go to System settings > power management > power profiles > and configure button events handling for each profile
[11:59] <kaiyin> is it possible to run kubuntu without kdm?
[12:00] <James147> yes
[12:00] <kaiyin> James147: how?
[12:00] <James147> kaiyin: whats your end goal? there are multiple ways to do it
[12:00] <kaiyin> i once removed kdm and the system just can't start.
[12:01] <kaiyin> James147: i just want the system to be minimal.
[12:01] <James147> then there are far more things to consider removing before kdm
[12:02] <kaiyin> James147: what things?
[12:02] <James147> kubuntu was never designed to be a minimlistic distro... you may want to consider a distro you have to build up rather then tair down
[12:03] <kaiyin> you mean xubuntu?
[12:04] <James147> kaiyin: kdm here is only using 372k of memory... barly worth a notice ^^
[12:04] <James147> kaiyin: no, i mean somehing like arch... where you only install what you want
[12:04] <kaiyin> okay.
[12:04] <James147> kaiyin: rather then starting with a fully featured distro and trying to remove the bits you dont want, you just install the bits you do
[12:05] <James147> kaiyin: though they tend to come at the price of you need to pay more atention in configureing and setting them up they are better at creating a system the way you want it
[12:06] <tdn> James147, but the hint text says that lock screen on resume is for when it is resuming from suspend. This is not the case. I am not suspending/resuming.
[12:06] <James147> but other then that, I wouldnt worry to much about removing stuff ^^ disabling stuff maby... but there is not much need to remove it
[12:06] <kaiyin> James147: okay. now i have removed kdm, and the system won't start, how can i get it back?
[12:07] <James147> tdn: one of the triggers in the profile can is to lock the screen on lid closed
[12:07] <tdn> James147, done.
[12:07] <James147> kaiyin: reintsall it (or better et reinstall kubuntu-desktop ^^ should pull all packages needed by default)
[12:08] <James147> kaiyin: and wont start at all, or drops you to a command line infterface?
[12:08] <tdn> James147, this is really not intuitive. Bad usability.
[12:08] <kaiyin> James147:  gives me a the starting screen of kubuntu
[12:09] <James147> tdn: then come up with a better design that is just as flexable
[12:09] <James147> tdn: the design has improved rapidly over the past few releases
[12:14] <kaiyin> James147: i tried holding down the shift key and bring the grub menu up, then selecet recovery mode, but that only present another menu, which is unselectable.
[12:14] <James147> even with the arrow keys?
[12:15] <kaiyin> James147: no. if i press the arrow key, it will boot into x, in vain, with a dead screen.
[12:15] <James147> kaiyin: does the normal boot just end at the starting screen? it dose not drop you into a shell?
[12:15] <kaiyin> James147: no.
[12:16] <wols_> at was point does it end then?
[12:16] <wols_> what's on screen?
[12:16] <kaiyin> wols_: kubuntu logo.
[12:16] <wols_> press ctrl+alt+f1 then
[12:17] <kaiyin> wols_: wow, why didn't that occur to me? thank you!
[12:17] <James147> kaiyin: in the recovery mode did you pick the "netroot - drop to root shll promt with networking..." option?
[12:18] <James147> ^^ or that :)
[12:18] <kaiyin> James147: it didn't give me the opportunity to do that. once i touch the arrow key, the machine went dead.
[12:18] <tdn> James147, simple, have a checkbox saying: Lock screen when AC power is unplugged? Yes/No.
[12:18] <James147> hmm
[12:18] <kaiyin> anyway, i guess the recovery mode of 11.04 may have some problem with it.
[12:18] <James147> it locks when the cable is unpluged? didnt think it did that :s and dont see a use case for it
[12:19] <tdn> James147, the confusing part is that right now, the user must check something that is described as something entirely different -- lock screen on *resume*.
[12:19] <tdn> James147, it does. And it is extremely annoying.
[12:20] <James147> tdn: then I think somethings wrong there ...
[12:20] <James147> tdn: sorry, miss understood your problem :)
[12:20] <tdn> James147, ok.
[12:21] <tdn> James147, one thing is that it is difficult to disable this feature -- another is that I think this should be disabled by default.
[12:21] <James147> tdn: try resettings the power settings by moving/renaming or deleteing ~/.kde/share/config/powerdevil*
[12:22] <James147> tdn: it is disable by default
[12:22] <tdn> James147, ok, I will have to try this later. I cannot logout/in right now.
[12:22] <James147> tdn: normally
[12:22] <tdn> James147, well, I have not done anything to enable it.
[12:22] <James147> tdn: some times errors happen :S normally on upgrades when the settings layout changes... its hard to debug and fix unfortinuatly
[12:23] <tdn> That sucks. It should be possible to reuse one's .kde folder between versions.
[12:23] <James147> tdn: and its difficult to disable because its not an intended feature as locking on power unpluged is not a very useful feature
[12:23] <James147> tdn: it normally is
[12:24] <James147> tdn: problem is there are sooo many options and sooo many different configureations that developers dont have the time to check them all to make sure they will all work
[12:25] <James147> tdn: keep in mind that you paied nothing for this software and most of the developers are volenteres with other jobs ^^
[12:25] <tdn> James147, they dont have to. Each project/app should just make sure that their configuration format is compatible between versions. This should not be too hard as other platforms do this very well. It just requires some planning.
[12:27] <tdn> James147, sure, the software is free (however, I contribute regularly with bug reports/fixes and patches), but that is not a reason to have poor usability. It should be in the interest of every software project to have great usability. And users (like myself) should be encouraged to give feedback/critique.
[12:27] <James147> tdn: sometimes thats easier said then done ^^ and what other platform dose it on the scale kde dose?
[12:27] <tdn> James147, Mac OS X
[12:28] <tdn> James147, I have also not experienced similar problems on Ubuntu (Gnome). However, I do not use Ubuntu/Gnome very much.
[12:29] <James147> tdn: and they have huges amount of money for it ^^ and gnome has no where near as many options or is as flexable as kde
[12:30] <tdn> Like I said, this is not too hard a thing to do. It just requires planning and well thought out design.
[12:30] <tdn> James147, when implementing configuration.
[12:35] <James147> tdn: I think the main problem is kde is/was changing so much between releases... and with only 6 mounths between them... other projects like gnome havent been changing that much... at least not till recently and so havnt suffered this
[12:40] <laomaiwe1g> Hi folks, just a question about the upgrade to Natty: does it seem right that I have to download 2.8GB for the upgrade?
[12:40] <James147> laomaiwe1g: yea
[12:40] <James147> laomaiwe1g: depending on what you have installed
[12:41] <laomaiweng> James147: Okay, thank you then. =) It's gonna take me days... xD
[12:41] <James147> laomaiweng: default install should probally be allot less ^^
[12:41] <James147> laomaiweng: you might want to consider cleaning your system/removing uneeded packages before hand
[12:42] <James147> laomaiweng: will at least lower it
[12:43] <laomaiweng> James147: I'm too lazy for this. =P The computer is used to long uptimes, and if I don't push it too hard it's quite stable, so that should be ok. =)
[13:00] <shane4ubuntu> anyone around this early on a saturday?  I installed kubuntu-desktop overtop of my ubuntu 11.04 install booted up and no menus, somehow I have a desktop running that isn't kde and not gnome or unity menus any ideas?
[13:03] <shane4ubuntu> I'm removing all non-kde stuff via http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde  and then I'm going to re-install the kubuntu-desktop reboot and see if that works, odd. never had this problem before.
[13:03] <James147> shane4ubuntu: which session did you loginto through kdm/gdm?
[13:04] <shane4ubuntu> James147: kdm
[13:04] <shane4ubuntu> I looked for the option to choose the desktop, but didn't see any.
[13:04] <James147> shane4ubuntu: but which session? did you pick gnome or kde?
[13:04] <James147> shane4ubuntu: there should be one on kdm
[13:04] <shane4ubuntu> right, I thought before I was able to choose, but this time I didn't see one.
[13:05] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: you need to enter your login name, or the session button does nothing
[13:05] <yofel> (very unintuitive, I know)
[13:06] <shane4ubuntu> I put my name and looked, but maybe I didn't give it enough time.
[13:06] <shane4ubuntu> it is almost habit, to login without second thought.
[13:07] <James147> shane4ubuntu: should be somehting like this: http://imagebin.org/150976
[13:08] <shane4ubuntu> James147: ahh, thanks!!!  I saw the blue arrow, but was looking at the bottom of the screen for the options
[13:08] <shane4ubuntu> was it on the bottom of the screen before?
[13:09] <James147> shane4ubuntu: might have been, varies with the theme
[13:09] <shane4ubuntu> ok, well, thanks a bundle, it was there, I just blew past it.  :)
[13:10] <shane4ubuntu> anyone know what the logout command for cli is?
[13:14] <James147> qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer org.kde.KSMServerInterface.logout 0 0 0
[13:14] <James147>  :)
[13:14] <James147> at least iat seemed to log me out :) dont know what 0 0 0 are
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:19] <James147> Hey BluesKaj
[13:21] <BluesKaj> hi James147 ..hmm just had a flash freeze , chromium locked up , couldn't expand close or minimize , I saw the crash message when I logged out ...any reports of this so far ?
[13:21] <James147> not heard anything
[13:22] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:29] <BluesKaj> the devs must be confident with the OS so far, altho it's early days with official release the bug reports
[13:32] <Who> umm guys i am having a problem  with 5.1 srround sound in kubuntu
[13:33] <Who> i have realtek ALC 888
[13:33] <Sentynel> Hi guys, weird glitch with window focus since the 11.04 update. When the machine first starts, left clicking doesn't alter focus (clicks are registered in whichever window has focus, not whichever is under the cursor). Right clicking on the desktop a couple of times resets it and focus follows left clicks correctly. If the machine is then left untouched for a few hours, the problem returns, but right clicking only provides a fix for a single fo
[13:33] <Sentynel> cus shift, then it locks again. Focus is set to follow clicks and focus stealing prevention is on medium. Any suggestions?
[13:35] <James147> Who: havent tested it on kubuntu yet, but I think someone else got it to work eventually by doing thig: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#Surround_sound_systems and various attempts of resetting pulse and loging in and out
[13:35]  * James147 notes that that guide is for arch to the paths may vary ^^
[13:45] <shane4ubuntu> I'm back, got it all sorted out, that was goofy, but everything works!
[13:53] <zCROSSBONESz> Mornin Glories!! Yesterday I stopped by tryin to get help getting my wireless workin in 11.04 (SOLVED) Found this wiki that did the trick, Pass it on:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1742147
[13:54] <Lhademmor> Hey, I'm a bit confused about wiki's. I see that Kubuntu has it's own wiki. If I want to help write documentation for Kubuntu, should it be done on wiki.kubuntu.org or help.ubuntu.com ?
 if talikin to me i'm not sure of that....
[13:55] <James147> Lhademmor: depends, if it works on boht kubuntu and ubuntu then I would do it on help.ubuntu.com ^^ but if its focused on kde then do it on the kubuntu wiki
[13:56] <zCROSSBONESz> makes sense to me...
[13:56] <Lhademmor> James147, won't that fragment the documentation? People won't know where to look for help?
[13:56] <James147> Lhademmor: kuubntu users tend to look at both places... since allot of the ubuntu guides also work for kubuntu
[13:57] <yofel> note: wiki.kubuntu.org is a alias to wiki.ubuntu.com, just uses a different default theme, so not really. help.ubuntu.com if for somewhat official documentation for ubuntu
[13:57] <zCROSSBONESz> case in point..... my above comment was foud on ubuntu for kubuntu install
[13:57] <James147> espically if its for a generic issue thats not kde spicific
[13:57] <Lhademmor> yofel, thanks for clearing that up. :)
[13:57] <James147> yofel: heh, good to know :0
[13:57] <zCROSSBONESz> i digress
[13:59] <zCROSSBONESz> well....gotta go.....hold it in the road!
[14:22] <george__> Hello. Is there anything like Synaptic on Kubuntu?
[14:23] <bazhang> !info kpackagekit
[14:26] <george__> I mean, a place like I can hold version, change software version etc...
[14:27] <Who> hmm guys is there a way i can install kubuntu from a pen drive as my netbook doesn't have a cd drive
[14:28] <Sentynel> george__: try muon
[14:28] <bazhang> Who, use unetbootin
[14:29] <bazhang> george__, kpackagekit? info above?
[14:29] <Who> well i tried that and i had some problems, but wait is 1 GB pendrive sufficent ?
[14:29] <Who> i think that might be the problem
[14:30] <volodya> anybody know whether in natty, kmail finally uses this akonadi thing?
[14:30] <george__> Sentynel: thanks.
[14:31] <shane4ubuntu> does anyone remember the package to install to get the alt-f2 thing to show results for 32C to F ?
[14:31] <shane4ubuntu> I had this problem before, but don't remember now what I installed to fix it.
[14:31] <george__> bazhang: I thought that, but I can't see how to check diferent versions, hold version etc.
[14:31] <Who> bazhang:  is 1 gb pen drive sufficent for it?
[14:32] <george__> Anyone here uses radiotray? It seems it doesn't work on Kubuntu...
[14:32] <bazhang> Who, never tried with that small not sure, but may
[14:33] <Who> well i tried to do it with 1 GB stick , now i am encountereing many issues wit both my systems (where i used it to install kubuntu 11.04)
[14:33] <Who> so i am trying to pin point the cause
[14:33] <James147> Who: the cd is 700mb ^^ so the pendrive needs to be bigger then that :) 1gig is and is fine
[14:34] <James147> Who: I would suggest useing usb-creator (preinstalled on kubuntu) it seems to ahve greater sucess on uubntu disks
[14:35] <Who> James147:  i see , well let me try that , if it works for me i guess i will write it in some FAQ or document so if anybody has the same problem in the futue they can easily find the reason
[14:49] <ubuntu> hi guys , I'm running Kubuntu 11.04 live, one thing about amarok, why there is not a default bar to control the music !?!, I mean..., do you think it's not necessary as a default tool on amarok !?!, so a new user has to find where activate it , and probablly he will use something else instead !?!...., I cannot really understand .....
[14:51] <James147> ubuntu: possibally a bug
[14:51] <Sentynel> ubuntu: it's a bug, it's fixed in the next release
[14:51] <Sentynel> in the meantime select a toolbar from view
[14:51] <ubuntu> really bad bug for a new user .....
[14:52] <ubuntu> yeah I know that , but just because I'm a user of kubuntu since few year ....
[14:53] <James147> ubuntu: unfortunately bugs happen ^^ if they have more willing testers then less will get though to the final release
[14:54] <ubuntu> I know James147 ...I know ...., but this kind of bug I think can be avoid , and would be really important ....
[14:55] <Sentynel> ubuntu: it wasn't detected because it only affects new users and there are, apparently, very few testers who do a clean install
[14:55] <ubuntu> I can already imagine the new user sayng amarok !?!, this horrible things without even a control bar ....., they don't know about the bug ...
[14:56] <Sentynel> as I say a fix will be in the next release, there's not really much more we can do
[14:56] <James147> Sentynel: that is, tseters that tested a clean profile and didnt update and tested amarok ^^
[14:56] <ubuntu> yeah sure Sentynel don't worry , I really understant , and I have to thenks all the developer for the great job they did ....
[14:57] <ubuntu> but you know , I really love Kubuntu and I always suggest it , so I know very well  what the new user will says .... :D
[14:58] <James147> ubuntu: unfortunately there is not much that can be done now that its been released.. the iso wont change now
[14:59] <ubuntu> ops sorry ,I wrote in a mixed language....:D
[14:59] <shane4ubuntu> James147: do you recall the package name I had to install before to get the nice conversion app for the alt-f2 thing, sorry I don' t know the name of it, is it kipi?
[14:59] <ubuntu> it would be possible with a quick update !?!
[15:00] <James147> Once an iso is release it wont be updated until the next version...
[15:01] <ubuntu> I mean I already can see 2 update here from the live ...., maybe one more for amarok would be good ....
[15:01] <James147> ubuntu: probally unless something is horribally broken... otherwise there would be a new version everytime a bug was fixed
[15:01] <Sentynel> when the new version of amarok is out it'll go in the kubuntu backports ppa and hopefully main ubuntu backports
[15:02] <ubuntu> ahh ok,so canbe possible just with a new version...?
[15:02] <ubuntu> I thought it was just a config problem ....
[15:03] <James147> ubuntu: user level config it will be saved in... which the installer/updator wont touch... once they open amarok there sint much that can be done
[15:03] <James147> though the problem can be fixed for people who havent yet opened amarok
[15:03] <James147> Sentynel: is it an amarok or kubuntu bug?
[15:03] <Sentynel> James147: amarok
[15:04] <James147> so not likly to get fixed in normal updates?
[15:04] <Sentynel> nope
[15:04] <ubuntu> not even a first run notification saying, if you don't see any control bar goto to view....  ?
[15:04] <James147> shane4ubuntu: try installing plasma-runners-addons
[15:05] <shane4ubuntu> James147: ahh, I think that is it!!!  Thanks!!!
[15:05] <James147> ubuntu: first run notification would be complext soultion
[15:06] <James147> Sentynel: any change of a backported patch?
[15:06] <ubuntu> ok ...,so nothing to do .... :(
[15:07] <James147> (in the normal updates)?
[15:07] <James147> chance ^
[15:08] <Sentynel> James147: well, it's up to the packagers really; there's no reason they couldn't backport the relevant commit (http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=amarok.git&a=commit&h=e1aa6497ec25ac80df9c646828e6295b39ca5ee4) but it's outside our control
[15:08] <ip4ndz> hi all :D
[15:08] <James147> ubuntu: ^^ thats the most likly path
[15:09] <James147> for a fix at least...
[15:10] <ubuntu> another things, if I run the live version from a usb, it runs fine on a desktop but, I have problem on  a laptop, and I have to switch off lacpi, otherwise it doesn't run , it's just my problem ?
[15:17] <ip4ndz> any problem when i browsing using rekonq, almost rto when running multiple tab.. anybody help me?
[15:19] <ip4ndz> !whois FloodBotK1
[15:22] <reisi> anyone with the latest 11.04? what gcc version is in the latest?
[15:22] <bazhang> !info gcc
[15:22] <bazhang> reisi, ^
[15:22] <reisi> nice, thanks bazhang
[15:23] <reisi> i must have misread that 4.5 was supposed to be installed
[15:23] <reisi> having huge dependency problems
[15:23] <reisi> while upgrading that is, from 10.10
[15:24] <James147> !info gcc natty
[15:24] <reisi> argh
[15:24] <James147> ^ some reason ubottu still thinkgs its on maverick
[15:25] <reisi> ffs.. the distribution upgrade tool screwed up totally installing the upgrades, it then reverted the lists and updated them, while still having dpkg processes running
[15:25] <shane4ubuntu> James147: that runners addon was it, thanks a bundle!
[15:25] <reisi> !info libwnck22 natty
[15:27] <Daxar> Why did upgrading to Kubuntu Natty break my GIMP installation? Rgh.
[15:28] <Daxar> Any ideas how to get libwebkitgtk installed properly?
[15:28] <Daxar> I would think that libwebkitgtk 3.0 would work, but apparently GIMP doesn't.
[15:30] <reisi> hmm apparently i just read it wrong, gcc 4.5 was just set up; maybe there's hope after all
[15:31] <kothz> Q: I just installed kubuntu-desktop over ubuntu 10.10, and my wireless network stopped working... driver is the restricted broadcom sta
[15:32] <kothz> (I guess I should actually throw a question mark in there...) Is this a common thing?
[15:32] <simion314> hi all,on KDE startup that sound is distorted, sounds bad, can i fix this isue or maybe i should turn it off
[15:33] <reisi> simion314: system settings is the way; perhaps if you can change the backend it might help.. sounds like a sampling rate problem
[15:33] <simion314> kothz: hi, i do not have a wireless but we always had problems with networkmanager on KDE
[15:34] <reisi> kothz: could it be that there are both (gnome and kde) networkmanagers somehow interfering? (just a wild guess)
[15:34] <simion314> reisi: thx,after boot the sound is fine so i do not want to change the backend because it works fine
[15:34] <reisi> kothz: though not sure how you could get those both running at the same time
[15:35] <kothz> could be -- there are no network interfaces listed on the kubuntu network manager
[15:35] <reisi> simion314: very strange, could the sound file itself just be screwed up?
[15:35] <reisi> simion314: i mean, if you'd try to play that file manually
[15:36] <amichair> hi, I just upgraded my netbook to Natty, and desktop effects is automatically suspended (a few seconds after I resume them from system settings) - is this a known issue?
[15:37] <reisi> amichair: i have the same behaviour on my workstation (though with maverick) -- desktop effects works after you first crash kwin once (either by bug or just kill it)
[15:38] <BluesKaj> hmm, seems the server for Canada (University of Waterloo) has some repos probs ,...some of the package servers must be down
[15:38] <amichair> reisi: how strange, I'll try killing it (btw had no problems with maverick - just happened right after upgrade)
[15:38] <praveen> hello everyone
[15:39] <praveen> i have a question
[15:39] <praveen> is anybody here to assist me???
[15:39] <yofel> amichair: intel?
[15:39] <reisi> praveen: don't ask to ask, just ask, maybe someone will help you
[15:40] <praveen> i have installed kubuntu 11.04 using wubi
[15:40] <praveen> but when i am booting my system it is showing an error "No wubildr"
[15:41] <amichair> yofel: I think so (how do I make sure?)
[15:41] <praveen> and i am not able to open kubuntu...
[15:41] <praveen> what to do???
[15:42] <reisi> kothz: have you googled if this was a common problem with networkmanager-kde?
[15:42] <simion314> reisi: what video driver do you have?
[15:42] <kothz> My google fu is currently being exercised at a feverish pace :)
[15:42] <yofel> amichair: 'lspci | grep VGA' will tell what graphics card you have. You could try to use Xrender as rendering mode, that disables some effects but works on my intel 945GME
[15:43] <reisi> simion314: radeon on the workstation (maverick), upgrading my intel laptop atm (965 or something like that)
[15:43] <yofel> didn't  yet have time to look at this in depth
[15:43] <kothz> reisi: and, i'm DLing a fresh 11.04 to get rid of the gnome vestiges
[15:43] <reisi> finally! Current status: 0 updates [-800], 32685 new [-41]
[15:43] <kothz> I'm so not in the mood to tinker today, just to fix. :)
[15:43] <amichair> yofel: indeed, Intel 945GME
[15:44] <shane4kubuntu> virtuoso nepomuk is eating like 30-50% of cpu??  is this temporary until everything is indexed?
[15:44] <simion314> reisi: i read on planet kde that the drivers developers changed the id string on the driver(open source one) and that made kwin not recognize that the driver suports effects, but i do not know if this is the issue
[15:44] <reisi> shane4kubuntu: its the indexer, you can disable it if you dont want it
[15:44] <shane4kubuntu> seems as though xorg is taking the other 23% or is falsely reported
[15:44] <reisi> simion314: aah yes, i remember that too.. afaik there is an environment variable to override that capability autodetection?
[15:45] <amichair> yofel: do you by any chance have the bug #? (I'm searching...)
[15:45] <shane4kubuntu> reisi: is it temporary though?  I mean once things are indexed it should slow donw right?
[15:45] <yofel> shane4kubuntu: should be temporarily, virtuoso can run for quite a while (not sure what it does)
[15:45] <shane4kubuntu> down*
[15:45] <simion314> reisi: i do not remember the fix, there is a blog on planet kde about that
[15:45] <yofel> shane4kubuntu: but it does usually stop at some point
[15:45] <reisi> simion314: perhaps it's on "man kwin"
[15:45] <yofel> amichair: no, didn't look at this much yet
[15:46] <amichair> yofel: oki
[15:46] <reisi> rebooting ->
[15:46] <James147> yofel: virtuoso is the indexer i beleive
[15:46] <yofel> James147: virtuoso is the DB process
[15:46] <shane4kubuntu> yofel: ok, I will let it go, it just slows my computer down, and I usually have no less then like 10 windows open. :)
[15:46] <James147> yofel: hmm
[15:47] <shane4kubuntu> ok, thanks guys, gotta run.
[15:47] <yofel> the actual I/O if there is any  is usually taken by nepomukfilewatch for me
[15:47] <yofel> virtuoso takes the CPU load
[15:47] <simion314> i got a strange problem on 11.04, at boot after grub my keyboard light turns off and the boot is stiped, if i press the power buttons the light turns on and X starts(the resolution changes ,i do not know if is X or KMS) realy weird with the keyboard light
[15:47] <James147> yofel: wonder why it uses more resources then the indxer then :S
[15:48] <yofel> no idea, I know there are several nepomuk/virtuoso resource bugs open on bugs.kde.org
[15:49]  * BluesKaj wonders if ppl with no databases even bother with nepomuk  , or should they
[15:50] <yofel> *shrug*, I once had strigi enabled, so my virtuoso DB is 3GB now, so I'm not too surprised if it needs a long time to manage that
[15:50] <yofel> now I've disabled nepomuk completely, much more quiet, except the warning after login
[15:50] <simion314> BluesKaj: i think that some apps from kde pim depend on nepomuk so you can;t run them without it
[15:50] <yofel> simion314: that's akonadi, not nepomuk
[15:51]  * BluesKaj wonders what the difference is ..doesn't user either of them:)
[15:51] <James147> yofel: havent see virtuoso hog much resources here in a while
[15:52] <simion314> yofel: could be, i think i confuse theose 2,if the bugs are fixed some nice features could be created on those
[15:52] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:52] <yofel> me neither, it usually takes a long time on the initial scan, after that it runs for several minutes after login and stops then
[15:57] <kaddi> hi, i'm trying to revive an old install on a laptop... It was working a week ago, it has issues with the bios battery so I get frequent complaints of mismatching timestamps (not now though). It boots right into recovery console and when I do a startx in there, I get mktemp: failed to create file via template '/tmp/serverauth.XXXXXXXXXXXXXX': read-only file system
[15:57] <kaddi> so it seems to me that i'm looking at a permission issue, however I don't know how to resolve it.. any tips?
[16:05] <simion314> kaddi: try to google that error message, and maybe as in #ubuntu
[16:12] <kaddi> i asked in ubuntu, lets see if someone will answer
[16:12] <eks> hellos!
[16:13] <eks> i just tried booting both the dvd and cd from 11.04 from a usb disk and i get a wall of text when it's starting
[16:13] <eks> really a wall of text, not even new lines
[16:13] <eks> any ideas of what it might be?
[16:14] <kaddi> i don't, i haven't tried 11.04 yet.. i'm fixing up an old pc atm
[16:15] <eks> after a while, it says it tries to write in cp stat /root/var/cache/debconfig/config.dat and others but it says it doesn't exists
[16:15] <eks> it's the same error with both the cd and dvd
[16:15] <eks> at least it looks so...
[16:18] <eks> thanks kaddi
[16:18] <eks> anyone else...?
[16:18] <kaddi> turns out my issue was fixed with a fsck.. it wasn't my system time that was wrong, it was the last access time that was in the future
[16:18] <eks> the usb is formatted in fat32. thought about formating in ext2, but the docs say to use fat16/32....
[16:19] <eks> maybe i should try unetbootin instead of usb-creator-kde...?
[16:20] <kaddi> have you checked that the iso you downloaded is complete by comparing md5?
[16:22] <wols_> kaddi: what does mount say?
[16:23] <eks> kaddi: no, nopes, but that's something i will do before the next try...
[16:23] <kaddi> it's fixed.. one of the files had a time stamp from october 2011 and ubuntu blocked access because of it. I ran a fsck, had it correct the time stamp and now it's booting like a champ
[16:23] <wols_> as for the battery issue: if you have network access, run ntpdate pool.ntp.org from sometime as early as possible in the boot process
[16:23] <kaddi> although I would be VERY interested in finding a way of making ubuntu boot even if bios forgets the time, it is highly annoying to have to reset it all the time just to make ubuntu mount the partition
[16:24] <kaddi> nope, no network access.. wireless card died years ago.. it's really just my testing pc.. so it's no biggy.. :p But yeah, the less work for me, the better ;)
[16:24] <wols_> what is the first error ubuntu gets when the time is wrong?
[16:25] <wols_> maybe you have to invest the two bucks and buy a new cmos battery...
[16:25] <kaddi> i don't have it now, but it's timestamp mismatch local time 1988, latest access 2011. Run fsck from recovery console
[16:25] <kaddi> something similar to that
[16:26] <kaddi> lemme reproduce by unplugging the powerchord
[16:26] <kaddi> one sek
[16:29] <kaddi> wols_: it says: mount of filesystem failed. A maintenance shell will now be started
[16:29] <kaddi> contorl/D will terminte this sherll and retry.
[16:31] <kaddi> so when you press ctrl-d it says /dev/sda7 (my /) Superblock last mount time (SAt 30. April 02:44:02 2011) now = Thu Dec 31 23:01:56 1987) is in the future. UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY
[16:32] <amichair> yofel: I couldn't find existing bug so opened bug #774207, if it helps...
[16:33] <yofel> amichair: thanks
[17:03] <alokito> how do I set the calander to show my local events and holidays?
[17:03] <alokito> It's shows us holidays by default
[17:03] <xytis_> Hi, I've just did a distribution upgrade, and ended up with rotated and mirrored items on screen, including icons, menus, notification boxes, apps (kde and non-kde). Actualy everything except for mouse cursor...
[17:03] <xytis_> Can anyone point me to a man who might know a sollution?
[17:04] <xytis_> or at least what went wrong?
[17:04] <alokito> xytis_: you have to change screen orientation
[17:04] <xytis_> nah
[17:04] <alokito> why not?
[17:05] <xytis_> wait, ill make a screen shot
[17:05] <alokito> ok
[17:05] <xytis_> youll see
[17:05] <alokito> alright
[17:06] <smooph> since the update to 11.04 my desktop sometimes freezes ... few times because of vlc using up all the memory ... is that a known issue ... google only told me about this problem in posts form 2006-2008
[17:07] <smooph> pulse audio sometimes goes nuts too
[17:08] <Feldegast> i notice kde freezing when i hit 100% memory usage too
[17:08] <Feldegast> so smooph you are not alone
[17:09] <smooph> well I suppose thats a good thing :)
[17:09] <smooph> most of the time I can get back in the system by killing the process ... but its very disruptive
[17:10] <Feldegast> indeed
[17:10] <Feldegast> i have given myself a 4gb swap file, i am hoping that this might avoid the issue
[17:11] <James147> Feldegast: ^^ increasing swap is just going to delay the issue if you have a memory leak :S
[17:11] <Feldegast> James147 i know :(
[17:11] <James147> you shouldnt really be filling up 4gigs of swap :S
[17:12] <Feldegast> James147 i figure if i see my swap is at >50% i need to kill an app
[17:12] <James147> Feldegast: I think you hsould have killed it allong time ago :)
[17:12] <James147> 2gig swap + ram? tahts allot of memory to fill
[17:12] <smooph> I dont think so ... I have a 8gb swap ... and it still freezes :
[17:13] <Feldegast> let me see what firefox is on start.....
[17:13] <James147> smooph: just means your not killing the application quick enough
[17:14] <smooph> ... possible ... but the memory is not filling up linear anyway ... it happens without warning ...
[17:14] <James147> smooph: just vlc?
[17:16] <smooph> nepomuk/strigi too but vlc I can reproduce by watching a movie ... at one point it will happen ... I had on experience where pulseaudio was using 90% mem
[17:16] <smooph> last paragraph its "one" not "on"
[17:16] <James147> smooph: try a new user, see if tey suffer from the same problems
[17:17] <Feldegast> firefox is running at about 1gb of ram, i probably have too many tabs ;-)
[17:17] <smooph> James147: what are you thinking why should I create a new user ... whats that supposed to show me ?
[17:17] <kubuntu-user> Hi
[17:17] <James147> Feldegast: probally...
[17:18] <kubuntu-user> I have a problem regarding the new kde 4.6 kubuntu natty
[17:18] <smooph> !ask
[17:18] <James147> smooph: see if they suffer from the same memory leaks... if not then its probally a problem wiht a configfile in your other users directory
[17:18] <kubuntu-user> ok, sorry
[17:18] <smooph> no problem just speeding up the process :D
[17:19]  * Feldegast has an ussie where the last application in the task bar is flassing on the right hand side of the button
[17:19] <Feldegast> *issue
[17:20] <smooph> Feldegast: screenshot maybe ?
[17:20] <smooph> James147: I might try that
[17:20] <Feldegast> lets see if i can get it
[17:20] <James147> smooph: it wont hurt :) and could lead to a sollution
[17:20] <kubuntu-user> I have a problem regarding the new taskbar in kubuntu. I like to keep it thinner. When I go with mouse cursor over a minimized app in taskbar, it has to be highlighted to be clickable; for maximize to work. I don;t that that stupid highlight; I want that when I click a minimized app in taskbar to maximize it. This was not the case with kde 3.5
[17:22] <James147> kubuntu-user: on grouped apps?
[17:23] <kubuntu-user> no, with every app; if I just go with mouse coursor I don't get that point when it get ghighlighted it won't maximize
[17:23] <kubuntu-user> without counting how many clicks I do
[17:23] <katsrc> do i have to specify: export CFLAGS=“-march=native” in order to get 64bit builds?
[17:25] <kubuntu-user> the thing is that I switch apps very quickly and this highligh is driving me crazy; the only change to do a quick shift that will surely work is to use alt tab
[17:25] <yofel> katsrc: if you build on 64bit you'll get 64bit binaries by default
[17:25] <James147> kubuntu-user: cant replicate that here
[17:25] <katsrc> yofel: great, just what i wanted to know. thanks
[17:25] <kubuntu-user> maybe because I didn't modified taskbar;s height like i did
[17:25] <kubuntu-user> mine is thinner
[17:25] <James147> katsrc: you can try runing off the hilight and taskbar thumbnails in desktop effects
[17:26] <kubuntu-user> I don;t have any desktop effects enabled; I do a lot of cpu intensive stuff, i don;t use them.
[17:26] <smooph> Im not sure this is what he means but when click a minimized windows ... you have to click once to select and 2nd time to maximize
[17:26] <James147> kubuntu-user: mines on the side :p but if you think its because of a thin taskbar test it with it thicker ...
[17:27] <kubuntu-user> you have to click it once to switch to it right away
[17:28] <kubuntu-user> I've tried to make it thicker but it's the same think. If it isn;t highlighted I'd just not bother clickt it. It won;t even notice the click :)
[17:28] <smooph> kubuntu-user: I also cannot reproduce the behavior
[17:28] <kubuntu-user> So i guess this is a x64 behavour...
[17:28] <smooph> no ...
[17:29] <smooph> most certainly not
[17:29] <kubuntu-user> I've tried to find that highlight but I didn't succeded so for
[17:29] <James147> kubuntu-user: dont just stright to a 64bit problem... i am on 64bit and do not see this problem
[17:29] <kubuntu-user> to turn it off
[17:29] <James147> kubuntu-user: So your saying it has the same problem if ou make the panel thicker>
[17:30] <kubuntu-user> yes. it;s the same thing
[17:30] <James147> then I suggest you create a new user and see if the have the smae problem
[17:30] <James147> if not then its a problem with your configs
[17:30]  * Feldegast has noticed issues in kde when trying to re-size windows, i can maximise them but trying to adjust them using the window borders doesn work
[17:30] <xytis_> Hi again. I can't make a decent screenshot.
[17:31] <kubuntu-user> It's like the focus on app on askbar it;s somewhere in the up area. When I move the cursor on minimized app, I move it on the center of it, not on the upper edge on that app where it gets highlighted
[17:31] <xytis_> since all my panels have auto hide
[17:31] <kubuntu-user> ok, I'll give it a go with that approad of 2nd user
[17:31] <Feldegast> xytis_ can you disable auto hide to make the screenshot?
[17:31] <kubuntu-user> I'll come back againg to report
[17:31] <xytis_> no
[17:31] <xytis_> i cant hit the bloody button =]
[17:31] <smooph> xytis_: kscreenshot has a function to make a screenshot in a number of seconds
[17:32] <xytis_> jes
[17:32] <xytis_> *yes
[17:32] <smooph> which gives you time to find the panel
[17:32] <xytis_> again, you need to have a reasonable mouse =]
[17:32]  * Feldegast just has to press print screen....
[17:32] <xytis_> Okay, i'll try to describe my problem:
[17:32] <xytis_> firstly:
[17:33] <James147> Feldegast: if you have problems with click the widow edge to resie... use alt+right click+drag to do it :0
[17:33] <xytis_> when loging in, splash screen shows fine till desctop icon apears
[17:33] <Feldegast> James147 i didn know about that, let me try
[17:33] <James147> Feldegast: I dont even bother useing the edges anymroe... its far easer to press alt and hit anywhere on the side of the app i want to adjust :)
[17:33] <smooph> Feldegast: Alt+f3 also gives you some options
[17:34] <xytis_> then either computer halts with full cpu load or splash screen mirrors and turns upside down
[17:34] <xytis_> background stays fine
[17:34] <James147> smooph: alt+f3 is slower :)
[17:34] <xytis_> if kde loads
[17:34] <Feldegast> James147 that is not working either
[17:34] <xytis_> then everything is mirrored\fliped inside their containers
[17:35] <smooph> xytis_: We just established that we have CPU/Memory consumption issues ... have you tried killing the process ?
[17:35] <James147> Feldegast: really?
[17:35] <xytis_> that meads everything icons, menu's...
[17:35] <xytis_> can't
[17:35] <smooph> why ?
[17:35] <Feldegast> James147m alt + left click lets me drag, but right click doesn move anything
[17:35] <xytis_> CPY memory consumption theory is from sound of my fans
[17:36] <xytis_> cant acces TTY#
[17:36] <xytis_> keyboard not responsive
[17:36] <smooph> do you have a second computer /laptop ?
[17:36] <xytis_> yes
[17:36] <smooph> try to connect via ssh ... look at "top" to find the process to kill
[17:36] <James147> Feldegast: System settings > Window behaviour > Window Behaviour > window actions...
[17:36] <Feldegast> James147 i will try with a new user and see if i have the same issues
[17:36] <xytis_> ...
[17:36] <Feldegast> James147 checking
[17:37] <smooph> in my case it was strigi/nepomuk ...
[17:37] <James147> what is the modifierket+rightbutton set as?
[17:37] <xytis_> so IF the computer hangs on kde load, then i kill the most hungry process right?
[17:37] <xytis_> then, if it does not hang on splash screen?
[17:37]  * James147 set up the mousewheel to change opacity as well ^^ so he can make window disapear for a few seconds if he needs to :D
[17:37] <xytis_> what then?
[17:38] <Feldegast> James147 resize
[17:38] <xytis_> been to top in twisted inverted view, and no process was standing out of ordinary...
[17:38] <James147> Feldegast: then it should resize unless somethings gone wrong :S
[17:39] <James147> Feldegast: ^^ but still a great feature then you get use to it :)
[17:39] <smooph> xytis_: I am sorry I don't know what the issue is than ...
[17:39] <Feldegast> James147 that was my thought too, i will try using a newly created user and then report if i still have an issue
[17:39] <puneet> can anyone tell me where can i get the wireless driver for kubuntu 10.04
[17:39] <gruby> wie ktoś jak wejsc na kanal onetu ?
[17:39] <xytis_> ok, how to send a screen shot?
[17:39] <DarthFrog> !pl | gruby
[17:39] <smooph> I have to go ... cya
[17:39] <James147> !wireless | puneet
[17:39] <xytis_> no pannels visible, yet app windows are visible
[17:39] <xytis_> ?
[17:39] <smooph> gruby: english pls
[17:40] <gruby> ok :)
[17:40] <James147> !screenshot
[17:40] <puneet> James147: what?
[17:40] <gruby> enyone knows how to connect to polish Onet irc channel ?
[17:40] <James147> puneet: see ubottus responce
[17:41] <xytis_> http://imagebin.org/151009
[17:41] <James147> xytis_: funky
[17:41] <puneet> James147: Sorry i am new in here....can you tell me how?..thanks
[17:42] <xytis_> You will find that background is inverted as well =]
[17:42] <Feldegast> James147 the other issue i am seeing are application icons in the top left corner rather than in the system tray, only some not all
[17:42] <James147> xytis_: it do that on a new user?
[17:42] <xytis_> I'll try that now.
[17:42]  * Feldegast goes to check a fresh user
[17:43] <gruby> is there somone from POLAND here ?
[17:43] <gruby> #onet
[17:43] <gruby> hmmm...
[17:43] <gruby> got it !!!!
[17:44] <gruby> heheheh im on onet channel
[17:44] <gruby> im alone there ..... ?
[17:45] <gruby> oh my god i created channel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:45] <EagleScreen> hello
[17:49] <EagleScreen> gruby: hello
[17:49] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, apparently the best thing is to remove kmail and kontact if you don't use them
[17:49] <gruby> EagleScreen hi
[18:06] <Feldegast> James147 looks like my issues are somehow related to my user account, is there a recomended way to reset my user account? so i can keep the same userid
[18:06] <James147> Feldegast: just rename/move/delete the offecnding config files
[18:07] <James147> config files are located in your home and start with a . (makes them hidden) most of kdes are located on ~/.kde/share/config/
[18:07] <Feldegast> ok
[18:07] <James147> ^^ its likly to be only a one or two thats the problem
[18:07] <Feldegast> removing those are ok?
[18:08] <Feldegast> they will be recreated with defaults once removed?
[18:08] <James147> any that are removed will be recreated... though its best to move or rename so you can restore them if you want
[18:08] <Feldegast> of course, ty
[18:09] <James147> Feldegast: Note that when your home dir is created all that happens if that stuff gets copied from /etc/skel/ and then applications create their configs when you first run them,
[18:10] <James147> Feldegast: I would start with ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc if your having problems with kwin :) plasma* for problems with plasma :)
[18:10] <Feldegast> James147 ty, i will back them up then try and remove them
[18:10] <Feldegast> i will probably reset both of those
[18:10] <ignerious> hello anyone knows how to install firefox 3.6 in kubuntu 11.04
[18:10] <James147> Feldegast: just move them :) its like backing up and remiving in one :D
[18:11] <Feldegast> it is, but if i have a full copy i can do a diff later
[18:11] <James147> true
[18:12] <ignerious> hello anyone knows how to install firefox 3.6 in kubuntu 11.04
[18:17] <wols_> ignerious: just install it from 10.10?
[18:18] <ignerious> how should i add the repository
[18:18] <James147> wols_: not that simple :)
[18:18] <wols_> you shouldn't
[18:19] <wols_> James147: why not?
[18:20] <James147> wols_: same packge ^^ the installer will use the one with the biger version number if firefox4 ^^ not to mention the problems with the dependiences not being installed
[18:21] <James147> ^^ that is if you even manage to enable both the repos at the same time
[18:21] <James147> which as far as I know isnt supported
[18:21] <wols_> James147: http://www.google.com/search?q=dpkg+hold
[18:21] <James147> hold and downgrade are two completely different things
[18:21] <wols_> James147: who said anything about two repos? and of course you can do that: you can put as many different ones into sources.list as you want to
[18:22] <wols_> who said anything about downgrading?
[18:22] <laomaiweng> Would this help: http://dimitar.me/ubuntu-revert-to-an-older-version-of-a-package/ ?
[18:22] <James147> wols_: I just wouldnt want to pickup the mess of having both maverick and natty repos enabled ^^
[18:23] <wols_> James147: if there is a mess, then (k)ubuntu is a mess. and technically crap
[18:23] <wols_> apt is made to have several repos enabled, without any problems at all
[18:24] <wols_> yes, the highest version is taken but there are ways around that. documented and working ways. yes, it's usually not supported, user is on his own, but it does work
[18:29] <Feldegast> i am now able to re-size windows ty, issue was something in kwin config
[18:36] <Feldegast> my taskbar / system tray look like they are resizing (growing/shrinking/flashing in one area) each second, not sure what could cause this
[18:42] <Feldegast> fixed that issue by removing and re-adding the system tray
[18:43] <Feldegast> 1 issue left....system tray icons that show in the top left of the screen instead of in the system tray.....
[18:44] <James147> Feldegast: even after relogging?
[18:47] <Feldegast> James147 yes
[18:47] <Feldegast> i have no flashing and i can now re-size windows, so i have all the functionality
[18:48] <Feldegast> just do not know why i get things apearing in the top left of the screen
[18:50] <simi__> Feldegast:maybe you draged there the plasmoid?
[18:51] <Feldegast> or it got set there some how
[18:51] <Feldegast> it is a sys tray icon from wine (mIRC)
[18:52] <simi__> Feldegast: unlock the widget and see if is a plasmoid there,then remove it,and add it back to the panel
[18:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> Hey, having issues getting 5.1 sound working. system settings -> multimedia -> Phonon -> speaker setup and then setting it to "analog surround 5.1 output" reports that the device failed and that it is falling back to another device. reverting settings does not reactivate the device, and neither does relogging in to my machine.
[18:52] <Feldegast> it is not a plasmoid, when i go to lock/unlock it is not visible
[18:53] <simi__> Feldegast: why using mIRC?it has some feature that is missing in other app,like konversation?
[18:53] <Feldegast> simi yes, the scripts i have used for 10 years
[18:54] <Feldegast> mostly admin scripts on another network
[18:55] <Feldegast> before i upgraded to 11.04 from 10.10 the icon was in a different location, still not in the systray
[18:56] <Feldegast> i have also seen skype systray in the top left corner
[18:56] <simi__> Feldegast: maybe is a chanel #wine and ask there(i am not sure that chanel exists)
[18:56] <Spaz_Dynamic> I think it's #winehq
[18:57] <Feldegast> even when it happens to other applications as well?
[18:57] <simi__> Feldegast: for kde apps?
[18:58] <simi__> did you check if is  a plasdmoid there?
[18:58] <Feldegast> not sure what back end skype uses
[18:58] <Feldegast> there is no plasmoid there
[18:58] <simi__> Feldegast: is Qt app,but it works fine here,in the normal systray, the systra is just a plasmoid like any other
[19:01] <Mad_Dud> hi guys. does anybody here use ownCloud? what is your experience with it?
[19:03] <m0llusk> after upgrading to 11.04 my kubuntu system tries to use GNOME Unity after login.  Any ideas on how to get plasma back?  It seems like something goes wrong when kdm tries to bring up the user system, but the generated scripts are hard to understand.
[19:04] <simi__> m0llusk: if you select KDE from kdm ,kde fails to start?
[19:05] <Feldegast> m0llusk for some strange reason you need to select kde, the upgrade to 11.04 changes the default to gnome even for kubuntu (this is what i found anyway)
[19:06] <Feldegast> m0llusk once you have logged in to kde kde will be the default again
[19:06] <m0llusk> not sure what 'select KDE from kdm' means-- though there was a "saved session by type kde not valid any more ... blah blah .. default" ... how do I select ... just run it ... manpage?
[19:06] <Feldegast> m0llusk what do you have as session types in kdm?
[19:07] <LonghornGT> w00t w00t
[19:07] <m0llusk> I'm not sure how to find that out.  I see kdm running and in /etc/kde4/kdm there is some fun stuff ...
[19:07] <LonghornGT> hello eeverybody
[19:08] <m0llusk> does kdm interact through a file? UI? protocol?
[19:08] <Feldegast> m0llusk in kdm, you can click a button to choose between different session types to start
[19:08] <Peace-> m0llusk: yes
[19:08] <simi__> m0llusk: logout and see the optons
[19:09] <m0llusk> thanks for the information--I'll go work with that ... oddly enough that's one place I didn't check that thoroughly (gofigger)
[19:10] <daniel3> Ya know, in the kubuntu natty, mainly the new kernel, with my dell inspiron duo, when I unplug my ac adapter, the kernel cores.
[19:10] <daniel3> well, panics.
[19:10] <Peace-> what?
[19:11] <Peace-> acpi is not supported by kernel daniel3
[19:11] <Peace-> daniel3: try another kernel
[19:12] <daniel3> What do you mean?
[19:13] <daniel3> Like the kernel doesnt support it yet?
[19:14] <Peace-> daniel3: well kernel panic when you un plug your ac adapter= kernel doesn t support your acpi
[19:14] <daniel3> hrm
[19:14] <Sherazade> :D
[19:14] <Peace-> daniel3: so the only way you could fix this is
[19:14] <Peace-> try another kernel
[19:14] <Peace-> or
[19:14] <daniel3> why would a new one not support what an old one did
[19:14] <Sherazade> Kernel
[19:14] <Feldegast> another acpi?
[19:14] <daniel3> cause .35 supported it.
[19:14] <Peace-> try to set this kernel with something like
[19:14] <simi__> daniel3: search appa with a newer kernel and try it,if is not working uninstall it
[19:15] <Peace-> acipi=off
[19:15] <Peace-> no lapic
[19:15] <Peace-> something like that
[19:15] <Feldegast> daniel3 sometimes things get broken by accident
[19:16] <Peace-> simi__: i guess he should try with some settings
[19:16] <Peace-> like noacpi
[19:16] <Peace-> nolapic
[19:16] <Peace-> and soo on
[19:16] <simi__> you are right
[19:17] <Peace-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[19:17] <simi__> Peace-: i have a strange problem also,at boot time ,after grub my keyboard light turns off, and the boot stops, after i press the power button the light turns on and imediatly the resolution changes and the nice kubuntu logo appears, all works fine after
[19:17] <simi__> any idea?
[19:18] <Peace-> mm
[19:18] <Peace-> kernel kernel issue
[19:18] <Peace-> please fill a bug
[19:19] <Peace-> simi__: keyboard is wifi one?
[19:19] <simi__> Peace-: i will try to scan the logs first, when i have some time to search google
[19:19] <simi__> Peace-: no, a usb keyboard
[19:19] <Peace-> ok that is a bug for sure
[19:20] <Feldegast> simi__ what kernel and keyboard?
[19:20] <simi__> worked in 10.10 , it is strange the fact that pressing power recovers the boot
[19:21] <simi__> Feldegast: i am in 11.04, i did not looked at the kernel, the keyboardf is Microsoft, i do not remember the model
[19:21] <mu3en> does anyone know how to run a script on resume from suspend? need to run iwlist to speed up wifi reconnect from suspend.
[19:21] <mu3en> don't think acpi scripts are run anymore?
[19:21] <Peace-> mu3en: explain better
[19:21] <Feldegast> simi__ in terminal, type the following to find your current kernel: uname -a
[19:22] <simi__> Feldegast: i know here it is Linux simi-System-Product-Name 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:23] <Feldegast> simi__ you will need that to file a bug report and it is good to know
[19:23] <Feldegast> simi__ same as mine
[19:23] <simi__> Feldegast: i want to look in the logs first, maybe dmesg
[19:23] <Feldegast> my usb keyboard is working but i do not use a microsoft one
[19:24] <mu3en> when the computer wakes up from sleep, run a command.
[19:25] <simi__> mu3en: maybe find out what is  used for suspending and then read the documentation for that app
[19:25] <Peace-> mu3en: ok but why you need iwlist ?
[19:26] <mu3en> running iwlist forces network manager to refresh the card status
[19:26] <Peace-> mu3en: it should turn on the wifi without problmes
[19:26] <puneet> hello
[19:26] <mu3en> otherwise it waits 20~30s
[19:26] <puneet> where can i get the source codes of the softwares?
[19:27] <Peace-> mu3en: you could run a script everytime you start kde
[19:27] <Peace-> mu3en: i mean login  i guess
[19:28] <simi__> puneet: you can use apt-get i think,apt get source or something
[19:28] <BlaXpirit> True story... I've made a simple SDL application, but it was laggy, so I tried fullscreen. And guess what? I couldn't close it or do anything! Talk about linux invulnerability...
[19:28] <wols_> Peace-: same place you get the binaries. e.g. use apt-get source <package>
[19:28] <wols_> puneet: same place you get the binaries. e.g. use apt-get source <package>
[19:28] <Peace-> wols_: xD
[19:28] <wols_> BlaXpirit: ctrl+alt+f2. man kill
[19:29] <Peace-> yep
[19:29] <Peace-> then ctrl alt f7
[19:29] <mu3en> it's more on resume than on restart. the idea is that resuming should be more or less instant.
[19:30] <Peace-> mu3en: try to read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1484156
[19:30] <Peace-> mu3en: but i dunno
[19:32] <ben_> huhu
[19:35] <BlaXpirit> gah! Ctrl+Alt+F2 did something unexpected
[19:35] <BlaXpirit> unexpected for me
[19:35] <BlaXpirit> sent me to text console, or whatever it's called
[19:36] <Feldegast> BlaXpirit ctrl+alt+f7 should take you back to the gui
[19:36] <BlaXpirit> bad thing i didnt know that before  :S
[19:36] <Peace-> hahahhaa
[19:36] <Alonea> is the brightness ever going to be fixed?
[19:36] <BlaXpirit> the best thing i could think of was "sudo reboot"
[19:36] <Peace-> you can use a lots of terminal BlaXpirit
[19:37] <Peace-> f3 f4 f2 f5 f6
[19:37] <Peace-> Alonea: ?
[19:37] <Peace-> here is workin fine
[19:38] <BlaXpirit> so, how can I kill the current application?
[19:38] <BlaXpirit> ahhhhhh, finally I understood the thing. Ctrl+Alt+F2 wasnt supposed to kill, but to let me use "kill"
[19:38] <Peace-> killall -9 APPLICATION
[19:38] <Alonea> Peace-: brightness has been broken for me for months. Its a pain. Like, 100% isn't max brightness. It goes all over the place. Like 50 and 70% are black. and its just nuts and none of them are that bright
[19:39] <Peace-> Alonea: fill a bug
[19:39] <Alonea> Peace-: someone told me it would be fixed in a month...but that hasn't happened
[19:39] <Peace-> Alonea: ubuntu-bug kernel
[19:39] <Alonea> Peace-: its already been reported
[19:39] <Peace-> Alonea: reports please?
[19:39] <Peace-> link i mean
[19:39] <Alonea> Peace-: I dont know. haven't looked for it. my friend told me it was already reported and was being worked on
[19:40] <Peace-> Alonea: don't trust to friends
[19:40] <simi__> Peace-: about my boot problem with the keyboard, here is something in my logs:        0.966287] pci 0000:00:01.0: MSI quirk detected; subordinate MSI disabled    [    8.180072] pci 0000:01:05.0: Boot video device
[19:40] <Alonea> Peace-: he has been on here for years. pretty trust worthy. I will go see if I can find it or something
[19:40] <simi__> Peace-: the time stamp difference is large, i think maybe there is where it stops
[19:41] <Peace-> simi__: isn't usb?
[19:41] <Peace-> i read pci
[19:41] <Alonea> Peace-: is there a big report page specificially for kubuntu or only ubuntu?
[19:41] <Feldegast> simi__ that says pci and video
[19:42] <Peace-> Alonea: open a konsole
[19:42] <Peace-> Alonea: type ubuntu-bug kernel
[19:42] <simi__> Feldegast: but what device whould be on that pci?
[19:43] <simi__> i also seen that now in the grub the kernel is passed some parametrs like vt, and  handoff=7 ,any idea what does do, i think i do not used those before
[19:43] <Feldegast> simi__ just a guess....your MSI video card, or the onboard video on an MSI motherboard
[19:44] <Alonea> Peace-: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/513921
[19:44] <Alonea> Peace-: have 1001P
[19:45]  * Feldegast has a 1001p as well
[19:46] <Feldegast> i notice that 100% brightness is the 2nd most setting, setting to 100% is dimmer
[19:47] <Alonea> Feldegast: around 75% is the brightness I get. but never had a real max brightness
[19:47] <Alonea> *brightest
[19:47] <Peace-> Alonea: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/513921/comments/14
[19:47] <Peace-> Alonea: 14 comment seems to give a solutions
[19:47] <Peace-> -s
[19:48] <Peace-> Alonea: you have to tweak the kernel options
[19:48] <Peace-> and then it should run fine
[19:48]  * Feldegast never considered it big enough of an inconveniance
[19:48] <Peace-> but in the meanwhile "acpi_osi=linux acpi_backlight=vendor" looks better than nothing.
[19:48] <Peace-> that is
[19:49] <Alonea> Feldegast: I have bad eyesight and I can barely see anything in classrooms or during the day
[19:50] <Feldegast> Alonea i can not see my screen in bright sunlight, it is fine inside though
[19:50] <Peace-> Alonea: have you tried the solution ?
[19:57] <Alonea> Peace-: apparently there is also a BIOS update, but there don't seem to be instructions...I assume since its .ROM I stick it on a flash and reboot? does the flash drive have to be empty?
[19:57] <gigasoft> is there any live walppers for kubuntu ?
[19:57] <Peace-> Alonea: dunno
[19:58] <Peace-> gigasoft: live ?
[19:58] <Peace-> gigasoft: what do you mean ?
[19:59] <gigasoft> Peace-,  :) live screens like on mobile phones ..
[19:59] <Peace-> gigasoft: do you mean this ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLVSaqvshRc
[20:00] <gigasoft> yeah
[20:00] <gigasoft> :)
[20:00] <gigasoft> Peace-,  :)))))))))))))
[20:00] <Peace-> gigasoft: mm i guess i have written how to compile that stuff
[20:01] <gigasoft> Peace-, so what i have to do ?
[20:01] <Peace-> gigasoft: mm it  should  work eve in natty http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/video-for-your-desktop/
[20:01] <Peace-> gigasoft: but i have not tested
[20:01] <gigasoft> Peace-, oki
[20:02] <gigasoft> Peace-, Thanks
[20:02] <Peace-> gigasoft: note the second animation was made by me :D
[20:03] <gigasoft> Peace-, heheh oki :P
[20:30] <Alonea> Peace-: YAY!!! So, with the BIOS update and that kernel param I have, for the first time, FULL brightness and a linear slider
[20:31] <Peace-> Alonea: :)
[20:32] <Alonea> Peace-: I didn't know my chat box could be this white...
[20:34] <Peace-> LOl
[20:54] <bigbrovar> Hi guys, is anyone also having problems with akonadi google resource on kubuntu 11.04, I keep getting invalid passwords :/
[20:54] <bigbrovar> it wont sync
[21:12] <orys> hello again ;-)
[21:16] <tangent3> hi, upgraded to 11.04, opening a video file on an external network drive now copies the entire file into /tmp before playing it. is there a way to return to the previous behaviour allowing the video player to play the file from the network?
[21:17] <James147> what video playeR?
[21:17] <tangent3> using smplayer, but i doubt it's a video player issue
[21:18] <James147> tangent3: try dragon player or kaffeine
[21:21] <tangent3> dragon player definitely doesn't play across network
[21:22] <tangent3> hmm, opening the file from smplayer now says "you can only select local files"
[21:22] <tangent3> used to work fine in 10.10
[21:23] <ArGGu^^> tangent3 you are trying to open local file?
[21:23] <tangent3> no, the video file is on an external samba share
[21:25] <ArGGu^^> tangent3 and in 10.10 you were also using kde network folder? I mean you did not mount the samba share?
[21:26] <ffiasco> Anyone able to answer an Openvpn question?
[21:27] <ffiasco> Anyway, the question is:  I have openvpn server configured and running without errors
[21:27] <tangent3> yes, in both 10.10 and 11.04, i use a kde network folder, smb://xx.xx.xx.xx/MYPORN
[21:27] <ffiasco> I have the client configured and connected to the server without errors
[21:27] <tangent3> err
[21:27] <ffiasco> I can ping both ways.  I hae push "redirect-gateway def1" in my server.conf
[21:27] <ffiasco> And everything else to forward all traffic through the vpn, but when I browse the web with the client
[21:28] <ffiasco> and watch with Wireshark, the client is connected directly to the web and not through the server (despite being connected and running because I see the encrypted UDP traffic between them)
[21:29] <ArGGu^^> tangent3 And in 10.10 you open it from smplayer file->open? not from dolphin?
[21:30] <tangent3> i always opened from dolphin. in 10.10 smplayer plays it no problem, in 11.04 dolphin copies it to tmp then plays it
[21:30] <ArGGu^^> because when using the kde network folder it needs first to download the file in /tmp
[21:30] <tangent3> never attempted to open from file->open in 10.10, but in 11.04 it fails to open
[21:32] <tangent3> guess i'll try vlc
[21:32] <ArGGu^^> tangent3 try just to copy the file to locally and see If smplayer plays it at all
[21:33] <tangent3> smplayer has no problem playing it locally
[21:33] <ArGGu^^> How it fails?
[21:33] <ArGGu^^> does it start smplayer?
[21:33] <tangent3> it fails when i try to file->open and select the network file
[21:33] <tangent3> selecting a local file works
[21:33] <ArGGu^^> yeah that does not work
[21:34] <ArGGu^^> but if you open it via dolphin it should work
[21:34] <ArGGu^^> I though that you can not open it via dolphin
[21:35] <ArGGu^^> opening via file->open does not work because it needs the file locally
[21:35] <ArGGu^^> other solutions is to mount the samba share
[21:35] <ArGGu^^> the you can access it like the all files would be local
[21:35] <ArGGu^^> *then
[21:36] <tangent3> hmm
[21:36] <tangent3> it seems that applications no longer have access to open samba shared files
[21:37] <ArGGu^^> they cannot because the files are not stored in the file structure
[21:37] <tangent3> they used to be able to, back in 10.10
[21:37] <James147> ArGGu^^: kde applications can access the files on the network
[21:37] <tangent3> i assume it's through smb:// kioslaves
[21:37] <James147> ArGGu^^: thats mostly the whole point of kios...
[21:38] <ArGGu^^> hmm
[21:38] <ArGGu^^> so it seems that okular works
[21:38] <ArGGu^^> ok
[21:39] <ArGGu^^> well then smplayer is not kde application?
[21:39] <wols_> ArGGu^^: never was.it uses Qt tho
[21:39] <ArGGu^^> I mean it is probably just using Qt
[21:39] <ArGGu^^> ok
[21:42] <tangent3> well kaffeine opens it file from the network
[21:42] <tangent3> *fine
[21:42] <ArGGu^^> and dragon player should work also
[21:44] <tangent3> doesn't work on dragon player
[21:44] <ArGGu^^> hmm
[21:44] <ArGGu^^> it is kde application
[21:45] <skierpage> Bug on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.04-release page: "head on over to the Feedback Page and let us know!" links to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/NattyNarwhal/Final/Kubuntu/Feedback , but that just goes to a generic News page.
[21:46] <M_> hi
[21:46] <skierpage> Is there a NattyNarwhal feedback page somewhere?
[21:50] <skierpage> Ahh, the link should be to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/Final/Kubuntu/Feedback
[21:51] <ubuntu> Greets, everyone... I tried to install the proprietary nVidia driver on a Natty Live USB (something I've been able to do in previous releases) and now dpkg appears to be borked: http://paste.ubuntu.com/601465. Any ideas?
[21:54] <wols_> ubuntu: /usr/sbin/update-initramfs: 20: lzma: not found  is the key
[21:54] <wols_> just install it
[21:55] <ubuntu> Gorgeous, thanks. :)
[21:58] <yofel> skierpage: thanks, fixed
[22:06] <orys> hi
[22:06] <orys> sorry I am flying around, but still fighting with some issues.
[22:09] <SIR_Taco> what's the problem orys?
[22:09] <orys> well
[22:09] <orys> I don't know where to start :-)
[22:09] <SIR_Taco> haha, great
[22:09] <orys> just installed brand new this n n
[22:09] <orys> what's that
[22:09] <orys> naughty nun, let's stick to that one
[22:09] <orys> and I have no sound
[22:09] <orys> and I have no advanced features of graphics
[22:10] <orys> just managed to mount one hard drive permanently editing fstab
[22:10] <SIR_Taco> do you know your sound card or video card?
[22:10] <orys> but the other one when I ask "mount" says is "fusebulk"
[22:10] <orys> what's that?
[22:11] <SIR_Taco> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1096841
[22:12] <wols_> orys: have you installed kubuntu to your harddisk?
[22:12] <orys> yeah
[22:12] <orys> but I got two
[22:13] <wols_> to find what videocard or soundcard you have you use "lspci -v"
[22:13] <orys> aaaaa
[22:13] <orys> OK
[22:13] <orys> stop
[22:13] <orys> and I will start to do it in some order
[22:13] <wols_> to diagnose the fuseblk problem one needs the output of fdisk -l and mount
[22:13] <orys> (meanwhile, my printer does not printing ;-) )
[22:13] <orys> Ok
[22:13] <orys> so right from what I started
[22:14] <SIR_Taco> maybe a 'what is working' list would be shorter :)
[22:14] <orys> SIR_Taco: I have SB Live! and in preferences it works and test sound is playing
[22:14] <orys> but no program is making any sounds, except that test
[22:14] <SIR_Taco> hmm
[22:14] <orys> even if I go to speaker set up there is no sound on anyof them.
[22:16] <SIR_Taco> SBLive has been supported for over a decade, shouldn't really have any problems
[22:16] <SIR_Taco> you wouldn't happen to have an sound card on your motherboard/mainboard too?
[22:17] <orys> SIR_Taco: wols_: this is what lspci -v says about my card: http://poteflon.pl/paste/2687
[22:17] <orys> SIR_Taco: yes I do, but it was never any problem
[22:17] <orys> I Just had to choose which one I want to use and it was playing
[22:17] <orys> I am using kubuntu for years
[22:17] <orys> and this is the worst upgrade
[22:18] <orys> (starting from that my whole system crashed and does not wanted to go even as much as to grub
[22:18] <orys> so I just ignored it and installed from scratch
[22:18] <orys> but it's much worse outcome than the previous one I installed a few weeks ago
[22:18] <orys> there, almost everything worked instantly as usual
[22:18] <orys> here, OMG ;-)
[22:18] <orys> Long night ahead ;-)
[22:19] <SIR_Taco> odd
[22:19] <orys> (but I just found some extra drivers to my graphic cards, just sucking them into system, I hope that will sort the problem) ;-)
[22:20] <SIR_Taco> have you checked under System Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon to make sure the correct output is at the top of the list?
[22:22] <orys> SIR_Taco: good point.
[22:22] <orys> Well, it is now ;D
[22:22] <SIR_Taco> also, as of 11.04 (NN), GStreamer is the preferred backend.... I had some porblems with the Xine backend before where if one application was playing audio I wouldn't get audio from any other application
[22:23] <orys> ok
[22:23] <orys> I got music :-)
[22:23] <SIR_Taco> orys: so it's working again?
[22:23] <orys> yeah ;-)
[22:24] <SIR_Taco> excellent
[22:24] <orys> now it seems that my nvidia drivers are stuck in the middle of instalation :(
[22:24] <SIR_Taco> orys: well when they complete you should be off to the races
[22:25] <orys> it's nice that everything is clickable and does everything automagically, but it would be handy to still be able to open console and see what's going on when the progress bar is just flying from left to right and back...
[22:25] <simi__> my front headphones won't work,in alsamixer headphones is grayed out, what tis this meaning?(on windows is working so harware is fine)
[22:26] <orys> ok, it's ready
[22:26] <orys> but before I reboot
[22:26] <orys> let's come back to this fusebulk problem
[22:27] <SIR_Taco> orys: you can't access the drive?
[22:27] <orys> SIR_Taco: I can, but I want it to be mounted automagically
[22:27] <orys> so I am not sure how to add it to fstab if it's fusebulk?
[22:27] <orys> SIR_Taco: this is what mount give me: http://poteflon.pl/paste/2688
[22:27] <SIR_Taco> orys: well that's the fun part haha
[22:28] <orys> SIR_Taco: and this is my fstab at the moment: http://poteflon.pl/paste/2689
[22:29] <orys> SIR_Taco: I can access it no problem, but only after I start the system
[22:29] <orys> tbh it's not really big deal, as it my windows disk
[22:29] <orys> as I have separate windows in case that I want to play sim city once in few months ;-)
[22:29] <James147> orys: what is the filesystem of the drive?
[22:29] <orys> all important stuff I have at sdb1 and I managed to make it automagically mounting alreadyt
[22:29] <orys> James147: ntfs I would suppose.
[22:29] <orys> but it says fusebulk.
[22:29] <SIR_Taco> if it's using FUSE, it's NTFS
[22:30] <James147> orys: install ntfs-config (if i temember correctly) it has a gui tool to add ntfs partitions to fstab
[22:30] <khear> hi, i'm running Kubuntu 10.04 and the "Run command" started suddenly crashing in infinite loop (new crash dialogs pop up constantly), and this pretty much makes the system completely unusable. any ideas what to do?
[22:30] <orys> James147: that sounds like two kubuntus ago, but in last one (molested mandarin, or whatever the name it was) it was working no problem.
[22:30] <SIR_Taco> James147: good point... saves messing with the fstab manually
[22:31] <orys> so I am off to install it
[22:31] <orys> ok
[22:31] <orys> I am sucking it now.
[22:31] <SIR_Taco> orys: honestly, I don't have my windows drive in my fstab.... if I really need it, it mounts when I click on it in Dolpin
[22:32] <SIR_Taco> *Dolphin even
[22:32] <orys> SIR_Taco: that what I said, it's not really THAT important :-)
[22:32] <orys> but if it can be done no problem, I can do it ;-)
[22:32] <orys> if it won't work, I will ignore that, I have many other problems ;)
[22:33] <SIR_Taco> orys: well you can, but I have become lazy and not messed with the fstab in a few years lol
[22:33] <orys> o
[22:33] <orys> there is no skype in the repo?
[22:33] <James147> !info skype
[22:33] <yofel> it's in partner
[22:33] <yofel> !partner
[22:34] <James147> !skepy
[22:34] <orys> ah
[22:34] <James147> !skype
[22:34] <orys> so I should sudo add-apt-repository canonical blablabla?
[22:34] <orys> The whole lot?
[22:34] <SIR_Taco> I'd just read the How-to
[22:36] <skierpage> yofel++ !
[22:36] <James147> when is the last time skype updated.... its been beta ... i sware... since before kde 4 ^^
[22:37] <orys> haha
[22:37] <orys> I will do it lame way and I click it in kcpackagekit!
[22:37] <orys> I like it more and more
[22:37] <orys> I dreamed about system like that 10 years ago when I was starting my Linux adventure with Mandarake 7 something :-)
[22:37] <skierpage> yofel, FYI I notice the web site's handling of e.g. http://www.kubuntu.org/news/This/Is/Bogus is... odd, I filed bug 774454
[22:38] <James147> which is quite sad for a qt app thats at one point tried to be cross platform :(
[22:38] <SIR_Taco> orys: good luck... I need to go pick up something close to C3H5OH ;)
[22:38] <orys> ah
[22:39] <yofel> skierpage: indeed, thanks for that
[22:39] <orys> have fun then
[22:39] <orys> and thanks for your help ;-)
[22:39] <SIR_Taco> no problem
[22:40] <orys> hm
[22:40] <orys> added canonical, still no skype :(
[22:40] <skierpage> What's the launchpad package for the system upgrade ( UpdateManager/DistUpgradeFetcherKDE.py ) ?
[22:41] <yofel> skierpage: update-manager-kde (dpkg -S <file> can tell you that)
[22:41] <yofel> and use apport please
[22:42] <yofel> ah, on launchpad that would be update-manager
[22:43] <skierpage> yofel, "zsh: command not found: apport".  Do you mean apport-bug ?
[22:43] <skierpage> (I'd like the Release Notes window to be kubuntu-specific, nicer-formatted, and have a  "Link to these release notes online".)
[22:47] <yofel> skierpage: yes, I meant apport-bug/ubuntu-bug sorry, apport is the name of the application itself
[22:53] <orys> ok
[22:53] <orys> that might be a dumb question
[22:53] <orys> but I can't find it
[22:53] <orys> how to make rhythmbox docking to the system tray? :D
[22:53] <James147> orys: you arred the partener repos then refreshed the package list?
[22:54] <orys> James147: yeah. skype is already installed
[22:54] <orys> now it drives me crazy that I have no icon of rhytmbox to change song
[22:54] <James147> orys: check its settings for a way to enabel it if there is one ^^
[22:54] <orys> (as it picks to shuffle half of my .sid collection and I don't really feel like listening to C64 music tonight :P)
[22:55] <orys> James147: that what I do, can't find any option like that :(
[22:55] <James147> orys: can rhytmbox dock to the sys tray?
[22:55] <Freddy2> hi
[22:55] <orys> it could over last few years ... :S
[22:55] <Freddy2> it's only me or lucid repos are broken?
[22:56] <Freddy2> (at least some of them)
[22:56] <orys> James147: I had the same problem with last disto, but somehow I made it
[22:56] <James147> orys: is the sys tray icon floating around in a tiny window somewhere?
[22:56] <orys> but I can't recall how :-)
[22:56] <orys> James147: no, it's at the bottom bar.
[22:57] <SIR_Taco> back.... still problems orys?
[22:57] <orys> SIR_Taco: just now I got annoyed by the music
[22:57] <orys> but I still have two big ones ;-)
[22:58] <SIR_Taco> I've never used Rythmbox... thats a GTK app isn't it?
[22:59] <bazhang> the default is for rhythmbox not to quit but to be sent to tray perhaps alltray if its not working, or check the prefs
[23:00] <orys> SIR_Taco: kill me, I don't know
[23:00] <orys> SIR_Taco: I am this kind of user who is most happy if he don't have to open the bonnet :-)
[23:00] <SIR_Taco> haha ok
[23:01] <sven_> I just installed Kubuntu on a system with IDEACOM IDC 6650. This is a touchscreen , but the pointer behaves like a touchpad.  And a cannot activate more than one finger.
[23:02] <orys> ok
[23:02] <orys> rhythmbox solved
[23:02] <orys> with a little help from uncle google.
[23:02] <orys> now
[23:02] <orys> who's up to challenge?
[23:02] <FloodBotK1> orys: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:02] <orys> I need printer ;-)
[23:03] <Blue_Opal> orys: whats the challenge?
[23:03] <orys> Blue_Opal: printing! ;-)
[23:03] <orys> the system sees my printer in the system settings
[23:03] <Blue_Opal> orys: what do you mean? do you mean setting up a printer?
[23:03] <Blue_Opal> ok
[23:04] <orys> but it never prints.
[23:04] <orys> It just sends the test page
[23:04] <orys> and then it says "processing"
[23:04] <Blue_Opal> i had a similar problem actually
[23:04] <orys> and that's it.
[23:04] <Blue_Opal> does anyone know a solution to this
[23:04] <orys> all kubuntus so far my printer was working from the beginning no problem.
[23:04] <Blue_Opal> i had this problem in maverick, im not sure if its still present in natty though or if there is a fix
[23:05] <orys> maybe is my mistake that I forgot to swith printer on when installing
[23:05] <SIR_Taco> Blue_Opal: orys: in the past I've had the problem, and removing the printer and reinstalling it seemed to solve it. (that is years ago mind you)
[23:05] <orys> usually it just finds this and install well
[23:05] <orys> but this time I forgot and it was off
[23:05] <orys> SIR_Taco: I will try.
[23:06] <Blue_Opal> i havent even setup my printer yet, just finished configuring natty today, one problem i have noticed though
[23:06] <Blue_Opal> everytime i lock the screen kwin seems to crash
[23:06] <yofel> I do remember that printer issue with my HP one, it works fine currently though, no idea what fixed it
[23:06] <Blue_Opal> does anyone know what the problem could be, it happens everytime
[23:07] <yofel> Blue_Opal: does drkonqi come up with a crash window?
[23:07] <Blue_Opal> drkonqi?
[23:07] <yofel> errr, should be titled something like "KDE Crash Handler" or so
[23:08] <Blue_Opal> yep
[23:08] <darthanubis> why is dragonplayer attempting to be a file browser?
[23:08] <yofel> k, if you go on the developer information tab you can try to get a backtrace once you install the debugging information
[23:08] <darthanubis> when I right click the desktop if DP is installed it removes the open with dolphin option
[23:08] <SIR_Taco> the more beer I have the more fun this becomes for some reason :)
[23:08] <yofel> without a backtrace it's pure guessing trying to find out what's wrong
[23:09] <Blue_Opal> ok, ill try to recreate it, it better not decide to work now lol
[23:09] <orys> SIR_Taco: voila! It's printing!
[23:09] <SIR_Taco> darthanubis: with every file type or just some?
[23:09] <SIR_Taco> orys: excellent
[23:09] <orys> what a beautifull test page ;-)
[23:09] <orys> ok, so see you after reboot :-)
[23:09] <darthanubis> the desktop itself, in folder view, with a right click
[23:10] <SIR_Taco> darthanubis: ok.... so you right-click in folderview. Not on a file, and it comes up with open with dolphin?
[23:10] <Blue_Opal> yofel: ok i have the developer information what should i do?
[23:11] <darthanubis> SIR_Taco: yes
[23:11] <yofel> did it generate the backtrace? If not click on install debugging symbols
[23:11] <darthanubis> it also is associated with webdav even thouugh I told it not to
[23:11] <darthanubis> in file associations
[23:11] <SIR_Taco> darthanubis: you don't get "Create New", etc?
[23:12] <darthanubis> SIR_Taco: well yeah, I also get the normal rt-click menu
[23:12] <SIR_Taco> darthanubis: ok, but instead of "Open with Dolphin" you get "Open with DragonPlayer"?
[23:12] <darthanubis> SIR_Taco: exactly
[23:13] <SIR_Taco> darthanubis: ah ok, I understand you now, give me a second
[23:13] <Blue_Opal> yofel: the option is there to install debug sysmbols but there is a report that has been generated any way
[23:13] <darthanubis> ty
[23:13] <yofel> hm, check what's set as file manager in system settings -> default applications
[23:13] <yofel> Blue_Opal: can you pastebin that?
[23:14] <orys> ok
[23:14] <orys> what brings us to the next issue...
[23:14] <Blue_Opal> right into here? i dont want to flood the channel
[23:14] <yofel> !paste
[23:14] <orys> I can't switch my computer off ;-)
[23:14] <Blue_Opal> Application: KWin (kwin), signal: Segmentation fault
[23:14] <Blue_Opal> [Current thread is 1 (Thread 0xb77a7720 (LWP 4733))]
[23:14] <Blue_Opal> Thread 3 (Thread 0xb2e17b70 (LWP 4739)):
[23:14] <Blue_Opal> #0  0x02d13d41 in clock_gettime () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/librt.so.1
[23:14] <Blue_Opal> #1  0x05302dd8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4
[23:14] <FloodBotK1> Blue_Opal: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:14] <Blue_Opal> #2  0x053cf4f2 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4
[23:15] <yofel> Blue_Opal: erm, as the link says, use the pastebin
[23:16] <sergio__> Hi
[23:16] <sergio__> How can run wepcrak on visual interface?
[23:17] <sergio__> the comand is ./wepcrak?
[23:18] <SIR_Taco> darthanubis: Under System Settings -> File Associations -> inode -> directory .... what's the program at the top of the list?
[23:18] <darthanubis> lol Dp
[23:18] <darthanubis> dragonplayer
[23:18] <SIR_Taco> darthanubis: move Dolphin to the top
[23:19] <darthanubis> SIR_Taco: ty, my OCD can rest now :)
[23:19] <SIR_Taco> darthanubis: if you click on the "inode" list item.... which option is set?
[23:19] <yofel> Blue_Opal: k, do you have the link? (you're un-quieted now)
[23:19] <Blue_Opal> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/601495/
[23:19] <Blue_Opal> sorry about that, new to all this
[23:20] <darthanubis> inode "list"?
[23:20] <orys> ok
[23:21] <yofel> Blue_Opal: ouch,  intel_region_buffer () from /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so sounds like a driver crash, you should file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel' and attach that backtrace to the report. Or install more debugging symbols so you have less ??
[23:21] <yofel> well, mesa crash rather
[23:21] <yofel> Blue_Opal: hm, rather file that against libgl1-mesa-dri
[23:21] <Blue_Opal> these intel gmas are always a problem for me, so file a bug then?
[23:21] <SIR_Taco> darthanubis: "inode" is the top level of that list.... or in the list... if you click on it it should give you the option of show in: "embedded" or "separate" viewer
[23:22] <yofel> Blue_Opal: yes, please
[23:22] <Blue_Opal> yofel: ok thanks very much for your time
[23:22] <darthanubis> SIR_Taco: its set to embedd
[23:22] <SIR_Taco> darthanubis: ok, that's fine
[23:23] <SIR_Taco> darthanubis: not sure how dragon player took over like that, but hopefully it's fixed now for you
[23:23] <darthanubis> SIR_Taco: does VLC lock your system? It's been doing so ever since I upgraded to Natty
[23:23] <darthanubis> SIR_Taco: it appears to be ty
[23:23] <darthanubis> If I can get VLC to stop locking the system randomly everything would be 1005
[23:24] <darthanubis> 100%
[23:24] <SIR_Taco> darthanubis: I haven't had VLC installed in a long time... I kind of like DragonPlayer and it's simplistic style :)
[23:24] <darthanubis> I can't tell which types of files cause the lock or anything
[23:24] <darthanubis> I get mouse action to return, but X is frozen, I can't even tty. But I can ssh into the system
[23:25] <James147> darthanubis: alt+printscreen+k should restart x
[23:25] <darthanubis> I wish I could find a bug report on it. There was a guy here who confirmed
[23:25] <darthanubis> James147: I'll try that next time
[23:25] <James147> printscreen|sysreq
[23:26] <SIR_Taco> darthanubis: I'm honestly not sure, but I know that some corrupted video files and lock up your video drivers
[23:26] <darthanubis> Dragonplayer plays everything without a hitch. VLC used to as well. I even turned off hardware acceleration in VLC
[23:29] <orys> ok
[23:29] <orys> guys
[23:30] <orys> there is a problem with sound. Everytime I restart the system, it "switches to internal sound as it has higher priority" even though I put it below SB in every field
[23:30] <orys> It seems it does not saves my settings...
[23:30] <orys> file access problem?
[23:31] <skierpage> where does UpdateManager log to?
[23:32] <SIR_Taco> orys: go into the BIOS and disable your onboard sound... that's the easy solution
[23:32] <orys> hm
[23:32] <orys> right.
[23:32] <yofel> skierpage: somewhere in /var/log/, /var/log/dist-upgrade I think
[23:32] <skierpage> orys, in System Settings > Multimedia > you should be able to choose one of the sound cards and it should stick.
[23:33] <yofel> /var/log/apt/ has the apt and dpkg logs
[23:33] <orys> skierpage: yes, but it's not.
[23:33] <orys> It sticks for the most
[23:33] <orys> but not for "accesibility"
[23:33] <orys> so say youtube or rhytmbox play
[23:33] <orys> but system sounds or communicators don't.
[23:34] <SIR_Taco> I would, honestly, just shut if off in the BIOS.... it will stop any further conflicts
[23:34] <skierpage> Hmm, well I don't have that problem with my on-board and SB.  As to which sound card it prefers... I think that comes from PulseAudio and/or Alsa (I get confused).
[23:34] <orys> ah
[23:34] <orys> that might be related
[23:35] <orys> as if I am checking sound settings in skype it gives me only option for pulseaudio, but in general settings I have only Gstreamer ?
[23:35] <orys> or I am confusing completely different things now?
[23:36] <yofel> gstreamer is the phonon backend, not your audio device
[23:36] <SIR_Taco> orys: PulseAudio is the frontend for audio in KDE... GStreamer handles the hardware (backend) part
[23:36] <orys> ah
[23:36] <orys> ok
[23:36] <orys> so I will try with bios then.
[23:36] <yofel> in the device settings pulseaudio shows up as 'internal audio analog stereo' for me
[23:36] <skierpage> orys, it's hecka confusing.  I think its Phonon > PulseAudio > GStreamer > Alsa, and apps like Skype and the Flash plug-in jump in at lower points.
[23:36] <yofel> SIR_Taco: not quite correct either, gstreamer handles the audio decoding, hardware access is still done by ALSA
[23:37] <SIR_Taco> yofel: yes, you are right, my bad
[23:38] <orys> ok
[23:38] <orys> I am off to bios
[23:38] <orys> bbl ;-)
[23:38] <skierpage> yofel, yeah both my VIA 8237 and Soundblaster Audigy ZS card show up with that name.  I think it's a known bug that Phonon/PulseAudio don't provide a more descriptive name for them.
[23:38] <yofel> probably, I'm not much of an audio expert either :/
[23:39] <SIR_Taco> mine shows the same.... but it works, so that's all that matters :)
[23:39] <yofel> +1
[23:40] <SIR_Taco> I have to say it's a far cry from Slackware 15 years ago haha
[23:40] <skierpage> Ahh, bug 663207 , I dunno if it went upstream to PulseAudio .  Good times in sound land, I hope they don't return in 11.04 ;-)
[23:43] <sysop3> ok how do I add a new syntax highlighting to kate? I have the xml file and copied it to   /usr/share/apps/katepart/syntax
[23:43] <sysop3> then restarted kate but no love.
[23:43] <sysop3> what else do I need to do?
[23:43] <orys> can't find anything on sound in bios
[23:43] <orys>  :(
[23:44] <yofel> orys: you could try to install pavucontrol, that's gtk, but has better pulseaudio controls
[23:45] <SIR_Taco> orys: should be under "chipset"... but it really depends on the BIOS and the manufacturer
[23:45] <orys> there is something, but for me it's magic
[23:45] <orys> numbers only and some other smart things ;-)
[23:46] <orys> SIR_Taco: when phonon puts its settings? maybe this is a question of access rights?
[23:46] <SIR_Taco> orys: it shouldn't be, as far as I know a 'regular' user can set his/her own audio settings
[23:47] <orys> SIR_Taco: so I don't have regular computer obviously :(
[23:47] <SIR_Taco> orys: you just have a hardware conflict
[23:47] <orys> I never had before.
[23:48] <James147> orys: you could try renaming pules configs and reconfigureing it
[23:48] <orys> It's works for all fields except "accessibility" (or however it will be called in English) where it does not saves SB on top and changes the internal one instead.
[23:48] <orys> James147: yeah, but that was my question: where it keeps the settings?
[23:48] <SIR_Taco> well... I assume you do.... but then again, it may be something else. I figured I would try eliminating one source of potential problem
[23:48] <James147> orys: ~/.pulse*
[23:49] <orys> in /home?
[23:49] <James147> orys: thats what ~ means
[23:50] <James147> orys: well, no actually ~ means /home/USER ^^
[23:50] <orys> yeah
[23:50] <orys> I know
[23:50] <orys> but there is only some rubbish there
[23:50] <SIR_Taco> orys: ok... just a second... under: System Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon -> Accessibility .... do you have the same card selected as your normal sounds?
[23:50] <orys> SIR_Taco: tricky question: I am selecting the same card
[23:51] <orys> but it does not saves it
[23:51] <orys> and put them upside down again.
[23:51] <SIR_Taco> ok
[23:51] <orys> in /.pulse i have these: http://poteflon.pl/paste/2690
[23:52] <orys> and in the first one I have these two
[23:52] <orys> http://poteflon.pl/paste/2691
[23:53] <orys> when in pid all that file consists is 1464 or something
[23:53] <orys> and this =native I can't open, I don't know what is it, file or what?
[23:55] <orys> any ideas?
[23:55] <orys> :(
[23:55] <SIR_Taco> orys: I'd really like to help you, but the hockey game is about to start and I'm filling with beer....   ; )
[23:55] <orys> SIR_Taco: thats only second last issue
[23:55] <orys> and I am ready :D
[23:55] <SIR_Taco> I still suggest trying to turn off the integrated sound card in the BIOS... would save a bunch of trouble
[23:56] <orys> yeah, but can't see any option really :(
[23:56] <SIR_Taco> orys: no idea what motherboard you have?
[23:56] <orys> SIR_Taco: green :-) With chips on it :D
[23:56] <SIR_Taco> haha
[23:56] <orys> (and propably layers of dust, I should hoover my comp again, I think)
[23:57] <SIR_Taco> what language do you speak natively?
[23:57] <orys> SIR_Taco: Polish
[23:58] <SIR_Taco> ah ok, can't help you there, was hoping French... my wife was Polish haha
[23:59] <orys> SIR_Taco: i speak some French if that any helpp ;-)
[23:59] <orys> and Czech ;-)
[23:59] <SIR_Taco> orys: no no, your English is good
[23:59] <skierpage> orys, `sudo dmidecode | less`  will give lots of information about your system, including motherboard.
[23:59] <orys> and I can say "how are you" in Scottish gaelic, but can't spell it :-)