[00:00] <Neosano> I do everything using kupfer
[00:00] <Neosano> but I have some applications on the little top panel which is hidden
[00:00] <leccy> if you were really hardcore you wouldn't use a UI - you'd do everything at the command line using bash and emacs
[00:02] <Neosano> are we trying to be hardcore?
[00:02] <leccy> lol
[00:03] <leccy> not me - i want it to be easy. I never got into learning a billion key-combinations to edit a text file
[00:04] <MrChrisDruif> Aren't they mentioned in the bottom? O:-)
[00:05] <leccy> maybe, but you try figuring out how to exit... I can always tell when someone's using vim for the first time when I hear the clatter of CTRL-C from their keyboard
[00:06] <Neosano> :D :D :D
[00:08] <Neosano> uhmm.. for those not using kupfer - USE IT.
[00:08] <leccy> okay..... is it alright if i google it first? lol
[00:09] <Neosano> ofc
[00:09] <Neosano> http://kaizer.se/wiki/kupfer/
[00:09] <leccy> ahhh.... it's like quicksilver
[00:09] <bioterror> around year 2000 I had friend who used only console
[00:09] <Neosano> leccy yeah :)
[00:09] <bioterror> but he mainly listened music with mpg123 and played batmud
[00:11] <leccy> what are kupfer's dependencies? qt or gtk?
[00:11] <Neosano> I'm pretty sure gtk
[00:11] <leccy> I don't like the sound of the 'k' - I'd prefer if they'd called it 'gupfer'
[00:12] <leccy> ;-)
[00:12] <MrChrisDruif> Neosano: For those not using Synapse - USE IT?
[00:12] <Neosano> :D
[00:12] <Neosano> synapse?..
[00:13] <leccy> yeah, shows th dependencies
[00:13] <leccy> ah, I see it's python and gtk, that's pretty clean
[00:14] <Neosano> leccy, yeah, it was meant to be lightweight
[00:15] <Neosano> MrChrisDruif, hmm, no?
[00:16] <leccy> and I'd hate to mess up my nice lxde install with a bunch of qt libs...
[00:16] <Neosano> there's another one called gnome DO
[00:16] <Neosano> but it's using mono :O
[00:16] <Neosano> leccy, that's why I reeeally love to reinstall from time to time :)
[00:18] <leccy> still, I suppose at least all they're using up is disk space. It's not like they're sitting in some kind of 'registry' or running as a 'service' using up resources, that'd be madness
[00:18] <Neosano> hmm?
[00:18] <Neosano> ah yea..
[00:18] <MrChrisDruif> Neosano: why not?
[00:18] <Neosano> MrChrisDruif, because kupfer is better?
[00:19] <MrChrisDruif> Neosano: Nah, was buggy last time I used it....or it didn't do what I wanted at least :)
[00:19] <leccy> and what if all I use is chromium, gedit, and lxterminal?
[00:20] <Neosano> mhm, so what?
[00:20] <leccy> would kupfer help me?
[00:20] <Neosano> well, it can
[00:20] <leccy> like... I'd prefer to have a problem before trying a solution
[00:20] <Neosano> for example you can install things by just typing package name and pressing enter
[00:20] <Neosano> or open files located somewhere in your folders
[00:20] <leccy> yeah that part sounds good
[00:21] <Neosano> you can even send emails using it :D
[00:21] <leccy> I increasingly use gedit plugins for stuff I should be doing in bash
[00:21] <Neosano> oh, and it has a clipboard history!
[00:22] <leccy> sorry, I meant geany... they should just turn geany into a distro, i'd be happy sitting in that app all day
[00:26] <MrChrisDruif> leccy: If you've got a server with X installed, than you can run geany without DE afaik
[00:27] <Neosano> omg, lubuntu 11.04 is even faster now?
[00:27] <leccy> and it'll load all the gtk libs etc. okay? - i never realised you could run an app on barebones X like that
[00:29] <leccy> faster? don't tempt me
[00:29] <leccy> tbh, lubuntu performance has never been an issue for me
[00:29] <Neosano> it loads instantly after entering login and password
[00:29] <Unit193> Doesn't for me ;)
[00:29] <leccy> nice
[00:30] <Neosano> well it does on fresh install
[00:30] <leccy> I'll try it on virtualbox to see how it looks
[00:30]  * Unit193 doesn't count when it comes down to speed of Lubuntu
[00:31] <leccy> that default taskbar looks much cleaner, if the screenshots are to be believed
[00:31] <Unit193> I posted a Screenie on here in my VM
[00:32] <leccy> I want a distro that boots so fast it logs me out before I've even logged in
[00:34] <Neosano> you need a mac
[00:34] <Neosano> when it crashes it does what you need
[00:35] <Unit193> I was about to say "Try Vista! It'll crash before you can login!"
[00:38] <leccy> lol
[00:39] <leccy> I recommend vista to all my friends, what are you talking about?
[00:39] <Neosano> are you kidding?
[00:39] <leccy> hehehe
[00:39] <leccy> yeah j/k
[00:40] <Neosano> how mad can you be at your friends to suggest em vista :D
[00:40] <leccy> you know what irritates the hell out of me. My wife can't tell the difference between osx and winxp...
[00:41] <Neosano> that's why I'll never get married
[00:41] <leccy> like she was wondering yesterday why she can't install an osx app on her winxo laptop... I've given up trying to explain that they're different operating systems
[00:41] <leccy> *winxp
[00:42] <Neosano> :|
[00:42] <leccy> for real, she was there in xp trying to get to the apple app store so she could install angry birds...
[00:42] <leccy> in xp
[00:43] <Neosano> *facepalm*
[00:43] <Unit193> Neosano: It's legal to recommend vista, it's not legal to kill them ;)
[00:43] <leccy> lol
[00:43] <Neosano> :D
[00:43] <leccy> it's not an imac or the osx machine anymore... it's 'the machine in your office with the photos on'....
[00:44] <leccy> so as for explaining the nuances of lubuntu on my netbook... I think she'd be a tad confused
[00:46] <leccy> tbh, if she'd just stop snoring her head off next to me, I'd be happy. Don't get married, kids.
[00:46] <Unit193> Is it sad if you need something less processor intense then Lubuntu? ;)
[00:48] <leccy> I was happy with windows for workgroups 3.11 - i don't  know where it all went wrong
[00:49] <leccy> although, that is pretty sad. try xpud or puppy
[00:49] <Unit193> xPud?? That's a nettop
[00:50] <Neosano> my mum is using lubuntu
[00:50] <leccy> yeah, but it's the lightest distro out there. you can't do much with it, but it boots super fast
[00:50] <Neosano> and there's no problem for her :)
[00:51] <leccy> my dad uses win7, and he's happy (for some reason) - and he's 74
[00:51] <leccy> I'd never get him to distro-hop at 74, he doesn't have enough years left in him
[00:52] <MrChrisDruif> Because they got something in common? The number 7?
[00:52] <leccy> lol - probably
[00:53] <leccy> what frightens me is the thought that one day I'll be 74, and still not happy with my distro - perhaps sometimes ignorance is bliss
[00:53] <leccy> does your mum realise she's using linux?
[00:54] <leccy> or perhaps I should ask first which side of 50 your mum's age is?
[00:56] <Neosano> leccy, yes
[00:56] <Neosano> she's older than 50
[00:57] <Neosano> she can burn cds and copy files to usb drive!
[00:57] <leccy> nice
[00:57] <Neosano> yeah :>
[00:57] <leccy> can she code c++ ?  ;-)
[00:57] <Neosano> nope :<
[00:57] <leccy> awww... still, not bad ;)
[00:58] <leccy> get her into Python, old people love that
[00:59] <Neosano> shhhhhh, shhh, pshhhh?
[00:59] <leccy> hehehe
[00:59] <Neosano> what? python language
[00:59] <leccy> yeah
[00:59] <leccy> I love it
[01:00] <leccy> btw, does lubuntu have its own forums, or are we squatting on ubuntu forums?
[01:00] <Neosano> there are lubuntu forums but no one uses them
[01:01] <leccy> ah
[01:02] <head_victim> Neosano: I didn't know there were Lubuntu forums, I thought we just used the main ones with a [lubuntu] tag?
[01:03] <Neosano> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9683425
[01:06] <head_victim> Never even knew the other place existed, looks too small when you compare it to the main one. I think keeping to the main one helps with Lubuntu trying to get official status as well.
[01:06] <Neosano> yes
[01:11] <Neosano> does ubuntu have relatime mount option by default?
[01:22] <wizonesolutions> How do I create a gnome-keyring in Lubuntu? gnome-keyring's installed but I don't know how to get to the dialog?
[01:50] <kaizen> hello guys, i installed a fresh lubuntu 11.04 but where can i find the alsa sound mixer? or something like pavucontrol? because sound is not working well, just in audacious
[01:51] <Neosano> try alsamixer?
[01:51] <Neosano> or gamix
[01:51] <Unit193> kaizen: In lxterminal, alsamixer
[01:52] <kaizen> kk thx
[01:58] <kaizen> mhm that doesn't really help. and gamix is a bit of a horror^^. pavuconrtol won't work in lubuntu right?
[01:59] <Neosano> why?
[02:00] <Neosano> what's wrong with alsamixer?...
[02:05] <kaizen> nothings wrong with alsamixer, i found the problem, my soundcard wasn't recognized well enough...
[02:06] <kaizen> i dunno how to solve it but thanks anyway. funny thing is that problem never occured in ubuntu before
[02:09] <Neosano> oh :\
[02:41] <Neosano> Has anybody tried screenlets on lubuntu?
[03:16] <wizonesolutions> How do I create a gnome-keyring in Lubuntu? gnome-keyring's installed but I don't know how to get to the dialog?
[04:59] <wizonesolutions> (trying again) How do I create a gnome-keyring in Lubuntu? gnome-keyring's installed but I don't know how to get to the dialog?
[05:02] <Unit193> Start > System (should be in there)
[05:10] <wizonesolutions> oh just saw this. Checking
[05:10] <wizonesolutions> You mean System Tools? It isn't there.
[05:11] <wizonesolutions> @Unit193
[05:11] <meetingology> wizonesolutions: Error: "Unit193" is not a valid command.
[05:11] <jmarsden> wizonesolutions: Some gnome-oriented packages have .desktop files that don't create menu entries in Lubuntu, I'll check it out for you in a few moments and see what the issue is.
[05:11] <wizonesolutions> jmarsden: Thanks!
[05:12] <wizonesolutions> jmarsden: For the record...running gnome-keyring-daemon then gnome-keyring in the Run prompt don't seem to do the trick. Not sure if I have to gksudo them or something. Didn't have much luck on the command line either because I read there's no way to create a keyring from there.
[05:13] <wizonesolutions> Basically I just need something that Subversion can store my passwords in so I don't have to store them plaintext.
[05:13] <wizonesolutions> ...or not store them at all, which will give me RSI. lol
[05:14] <jmarsden> If you are using Subversion over ssh, I'd think you can use ssh with public keys for that?  Then ssh-agent to help ssh find and use the keys automagically...
[05:14] <jmarsden> But I'll play with gnome-keyring on Lubuntu as soon as my latest Lubuntu VM is created...
[05:32] <Unit193> Ah, the one I was thinking of was seahorse...
[05:32] <jmarsden> wizonesolutions: It looks like gnome-keyring has the daemons but not any clients included in the package.  Hence no menu items for them.  Now you/we have to find out what the client package(s) might be :)
[05:33] <wizonesolutions> jmarsden: Haha...thank you for looking into it. Hmm...
[05:35] <wizonesolutions> jmarsden:I think I found it. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=819022 - it's Seahorse. I'm installing to check.
[05:36] <jmarsden> OK.  I thought Seahorsed was for GnuPG key management, but it may do ssh keys too.  In the spirit of Lubuntu, you might want to take a slightly different approach, try something non-Gnome such as sshpass or ssh-agent
[05:37] <wizonesolutions> Yeah, but this is over https...otherwise I'd see if I just use an SSH key
[05:38] <Unit193> jmarsden: It's doing SSH keys for me
[05:38] <wizonesolutions> Bah, it can't communicate with gnome-keyring-daemon
[05:49] <wizonesolutions> Unit193: Does it create keyrings for you?
[05:53] <Unit193> wizonesolutions: Doesn't look like it
[05:53] <Unit193> As in SSH Keys, right?
[05:53] <wizonesolutions> Unit193: Nah, I meant on the GNOME keyring.
[05:54] <wizonesolutions> Hmm, maybe I need to restart...bah, don't wanna, will just see if it works next time I do.
[05:54] <wizonesolutions> Speaking of which, is there any way to get a "you should restart" notification in Lubuntu?
[05:54] <wizonesolutions> Or if not...what does that notification actually check? Basically if you just installed a new kernel binary and it doesn't match the one you're running?
[05:54] <wizonesolutions> in which case I can just keep an eye out for when I upgrade the kernel...
[05:56] <Unit193> Well, when you SSH in, it will tell you in the MOTD (Does when I do kernel upgrades)
[05:57] <wizonesolutions> Unit193: Ah, OK. 'Cept that I NX in cuz the machine is on my local network. Well, occasionally I SSH in...so I'll keep an eye out. Thanks
[05:57] <wizonesolutions> Do you know if there is a way to display the MOTD on demand?
[05:58] <jmarsden> Unit193: Even without adding landscape-client?
[05:58] <jmarsden> wizonesolutions: cat /etc/motd :)
[05:58] <Unit193> wizonesolutions: cat /etc/motd
[05:59] <Unit193> jmarsden: I don't have landscape-client installed
[05:59] <Unit193> wizonesolutions: How well is NX working in Lubuntu??
[05:59] <wizonesolutions> haha thanks
[05:59] <jmarsden> Unit193: Hmmm, OK.  I wonder what is updating your motd for you?
[05:59] <wizonesolutions> Works well.
[05:59] <Unit193> jmarsden: It's also telling me to upgrade to Natty
[06:00] <jmarsden> Well, unless you want to stick to using an LTS, that's not a bad idea :)
[06:00] <wizonesolutions> I used to use Xubuntu on this box, old HDD went bad so I decided to get something even lighter weight...NX is a bit snappier I find. Don't remember how memory usage was...probably not a dramatic difference because I'm running a Web server...but anyway, it's cool. I like Lubuntu. Does the trick.
[06:01] <wizonesolutions> ah! THAT explains why my VPS (which run Server 10.04 LTS) have like multiple Ubuntu versions in them!
[06:01] <wizonesolutions> it's the blasted MOTD :D
[06:01] <wizonesolutions> I thought /proc/version or some such file was messed up somehow.
[06:02] <Unit193> I'm not sure how well the computer will handle an update
[06:02] <wizonesolutions> jmarsden: Is landscape-client magic or do I need to connect to a landscape server?
[06:02] <jmarsden> wizonesolutions: It works without the server piece for providing you more info in your MOTD.  Like if disk partitions are getting full, zombie processes, how many packages need updating, etc.
[06:03] <jmarsden> The server part is more for centralized management of many machines.
[06:03] <Unit193> I also get how many packages need updating...
[06:03] <wizonesolutions> Nice...I'll put it in.
[06:04] <wizonesolutions> thanks
[06:04] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[06:05] <wizonesolutions> Man, Ubuntu (Canonical? Launchpad?) sure loves Python...
[06:05] <wizonesolutions> I'll settle on Canonical loving it
[06:05] <wizonesolutions> cuz seems Landscape depends on various python packages, and Bazaar is written in it.
[06:11] <wizonesolutions> jmarsden: Do I basically just ignore the complaint to run landscape-configure? Since it wants an account name such.
[06:12] <jmarsden> wizonesolutions: I don't remember having to do that here, so I'd say yes, ignore it :)
[06:12] <wizonesolutions> fair enough]
[06:13] <jmarsden> wizonesolutions: Once installed if you type landscape-sysinfo you will see the info it generates.  You can tweak what it displays but there is no decent documentation on doing so that I know of.
[06:14] <wizonesolutions> ah that's pretty neat
[06:14] <wizonesolutions> different question...do you know if it's normal for some swap always to be in use even if memory isn't yet exhausted?
[06:14] <wizonesolutions> I mean, for that to happen without it being considered "swapping"
[06:17] <jmarsden> wizonesolutions: Yes, that's normal.
[06:19] <wizonesolutions> jmarsden: Cool. Thanks
[06:19] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[09:41] <Camci> Hey all
[09:42] <Camci> Im having trouble upgrading to 11.04, im getting this error: http://i.imgur.com/rfkZs.jpg
[09:42] <Camci> Clickig Ok doesnt do anything either.
[09:42] <Camci> and its been like that for the past 5-6 hours
[09:43] <Camci> What do id o?
[09:51] <gilir> Camci, try to click on left or right arrow, to select the "Ok"
[09:53] <Camci> Have tried that, tired clicking everyting  :P
[09:53] <Camci> doesnt do anything :(
[09:56] <Camci> what do I do? Can I restart the computer?
[10:07] <Camci> nbvm got it to continue
[10:41] <nexus6__> can anyone help me installing lubuntu on a very old laptop?
[11:07] <bioterror> take 10.04
[11:07] <bioterror> if it's "very old"
[11:40] <remend> Hello - is there a 64bit version of Lubuntu available?
[11:53] <proctrig> Hello - I am looking for Lubuntu 64-bit version and cannot find it on the official website.
[11:53] <walraven> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Old/AcerFerrari3400/64-bit
[11:55] <walraven> http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=1442
[11:56] <proctrig> walraven: When I installed Ubuntu and then installed LXDE, etc. then the system was extremely slow compared to a clean installation of Lubuntu 32bit
[11:57] <proctrig> Does this mean that there is no 64-bit version of Lubuntu? Or more importantly, does it mean that there *never* will be any 64-bit version of Lubuntu?
[11:59] <proctrig> Because Lubuntu 32-bit is flying on my system - exactly what I dreamed of having one day ever since the 1970s. But I have problems with the PAE kernel, and I run 64 GB of RAM.
[12:02] <bioterror> there was some 64bit builds
[12:02] <bioterror> on alpha stage
[12:03] <bioterror> install 64bit mini installation and sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[12:03] <proctrig> bioterror: you're right, that might actually work
[12:04] <bioterror> ofcourse I am right ;)
[12:04] <proctrig> i'll give it a go, thanks for the idea
[12:09] <kosaidpo|> hello guys when we will be able to upgrade to 11.04 ?
[12:09] <bioterror> kosaidpo|, when you want
[12:10] <kosaidpo|> bioterror: i want it now ; ]
[12:10] <kosaidpo|> is available aldy ?? bioterror
[12:10] <bioterror> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[12:10] <bioterror> kosaidpo|, check /topic
[12:11] <kosaidpo|> bioterror:  why not apt-get dist-upgrade ?? im jst curious u kno
[12:11] <kosaidpo|> and which topic ?
[12:53] <walraven> ok: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[12:53] <walraven> just tested
[12:55] <walraven> sudo do-release-upgrade --help
[12:55] <walraven> will tell more.
[16:33] <blacky> hi..
[16:33] <blacky> just now installed lubuntu 11.04..
[16:34] <blacky> it's choosing vesa..
[16:34] <blacky> how to get openchrome driver work..?
[16:34] <blacky> any help please?!!
[16:35] <MrChrisDruif> blacky: chill, when someone knows he/she will reply
[16:35] <MrChrisDruif> And we've got to take the question in
[16:37] <stlsaint> openchrome?
[16:37] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, I didn't know what that is either stlsaint
[16:38] <blacky> yeah... i initially had ubuntu 10.10.. it used openchrome.. now i've removed that and installed lubuntu 11.04..
[16:38] <blacky> but it's only taking vesa..
[16:38] <blacky> i'm not able to play videos fullscreen...
[16:38] <stlsaint> what type of card you using?
[16:39] <blacky> via unichrome s3g
[16:39] <stlsaint> ?
[16:39] <stlsaint> blacky: run command: lspci | grep VGA
[16:39] <stlsaint> post output
[16:39] <blacky> ok..
[16:40] <blacky> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/P4M800 Pro/P4M800 CE/VN800 [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01)
[16:41] <stlsaint> interesting
[16:42] <blacky> and where can i get Xorg log? i tried to configure it by killing x server, but it threw up some errors...
[16:42] <blacky> in xorg.conf, i even changed vesa to openchrome... but no difference...
[16:42] <stlsaint> blacky: /var/log
[16:43] <stlsaint> blacky: changing a name is not going to change your driver that is installed
[16:43] <blacky> oh..  :( then which will?
[16:44] <stlsaint> installing a driver ;)
[16:44] <stlsaint> blacky: have you searched the web for that card driver
[16:45] <stlsaint> blacky: also have you updated your hardware drivers via the "Hardware" menu
[16:45]  * stlsaint is not currently on lubuntu so i have to assist from memory
[16:45] <blacky> the closest i got xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
[16:46] <stlsaint> blacky: have you installed that package?
[16:47] <blacky> that's already in lubuntu
[16:47] <blacky> http://pastebin.com/UCxSftyc
[16:47] <blacky> here's my x log
[16:47] <stlsaint> blacky: alright can you try updating the hardware drivers
[16:47] <blacky> how do i do that..?
[16:47] <blacky> just apt-get upgrade?
[16:48] <stlsaint> no sir
[16:49] <stlsaint> look under you menus for a "hardware" menu
[16:51] <blacky> no 'hardware' menu... i've got this 'additional drivers' menu item, but it says;' no propriety drivers are in use
[16:53] <blacky> i'll try to configure x again and give u the error it threw..
[16:53] <semitones_dj> hey can i zsync my lubuntu beta1 somewhere
[16:55] <semitones_dj> maybe lubuntu only has download and torrent
[16:58] <stlsaint> i believe there is only the direct and torrent download options
[17:39] <corenting> hello ! i just wanted to know :  is lubuntu including a french translation ?
[17:39] <stlsaint> corenting: hello
[17:39] <stlsaint> thats a good question
[17:40] <stlsaint> bioterror: poke
[17:41] <corenting> and are lubuntu drivers identicals to ubuntu's one ? I want to switch my netbook from ubuntu desktop to lubuntu.
[17:41] <stlsaint> yes they are
[17:41] <corenting> ok cool
[17:42] <stlsaint> im checking on the translations
[17:42] <stlsaint> corenting: are you able to translate for french language?
[17:43] <stlsaint> seems there are no translation actions happening: https://translations.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
[17:43] <corenting> i can help
[17:43] <corenting> but i cannot do the whole translation off course
[17:44] <corenting> But maybe they are not using launchpad... I hope...
[17:46] <stlsaint> im almost positive that most stuff runs thru lp
[17:48] <corenting> yes me too ...but if it's english only i will not use it as my netbook is for every day use
[18:07] <corenting> bye
[18:07] <ubuntu> hallo
[18:07] <stlsaint> yo
[18:07] <ubuntu> in lubuntu dont have software centrum ?
[18:08] <stlsaint> centre?
[18:08] <ubuntu> yes
[18:08] <ubuntu> with packages of software
[18:09] <stlsaint> yes it does
[18:09] <tchomas> where?
[18:09] <stlsaint> tchomas: i am not currently on my lubuntu install but synaptic should be there
[18:10] <stlsaint> i dont remember cause i use apt for everything
[18:10] <tchomas> yes synaptic is
[18:10] <tchomas> but not software centre
[18:10] <tchomas> like is in ubuntu and other
[18:10] <stlsaint> ubuntu moved to the software centre from synap
[18:11] <tchomas> yes but it was simple with descirbe and picture
[18:11] <tchomas> in synaptic you must know what you look
[18:11] <stlsaint> tchomas: is there something you are looking to do?
[18:12] <tchomas> in centre i can view soft for linux and install something interestin me
[18:12] <stlsaint> you can do the same in synaptic
[18:12] <stlsaint> tchomas: and with apt
[18:14] <tchomas> oh ok i see now its like centre
[18:14] <tchomas> before i only search in synaptic i dont see there more options
[18:16] <episyron> hi, is there a plan for an alternate install cd for 11.04? with a non-graphical installer for lower memory setups...
[18:18] <stlsaint> episyron: a text installer?
[18:18] <stlsaint> i believe that was spoken on in the mailing list
[18:19] <stlsaint> that installer does not consume that much ram and is discarded after installation
[18:19] <stlsaint> well not discarded but is no longer used
[18:41] <episyron> stlsaint: yes, text installer, i am about to install lubuntu to 256MB system, and i am not confined graphical installer works on it
[18:42] <stlsaint> episyron: it does ;)
[18:43] <episyron> really? i tried it with virtualbox with 256MB memory allocated for it and installer hanged in the very beginning
[18:45] <stlsaint> well that is vbox which will allocate less than 256
[18:45] <stlsaint> episyron: just try loading the livecd/usb and giving it a whirl
[18:51] <episyron> stlsaint: yes, it might be a problem with vbox, i allocated even more memory, but it hanged, with 512MB allocated it woked ok, i will try livecd on real pc (for my mother-in-law :-)
[18:51] <episyron> thans a lot, stlsaint!
[18:51] <stlsaint> episyron: yep
[19:30] <bioterror> stlsaint, hop
[19:31] <stlsaint> bioterror: heyo
[19:31] <bioterror> whats up
[19:31] <stlsaint> bioterror: someone had a question about a text installer for lubuntu and i said there wasnt one....was i right in that???
[19:31] <bioterror> not for natty
[19:31] <bioterror> mini install is closest one
[19:31] <bioterror> atm
[19:37] <stlsaint> kk
[19:37] <stlsaint> thought so
[19:57] <arkanabar> lxinput is not letting me adjust mouse acceleration; any suggestions what I can use in its place?
[20:28] <arkanabar> lxinput segfaults when I try to adjust anything; any suggestions what I can do to fix or use in its place?
[21:05] <kosaidpo|> hello guys
[21:06] <kosaidpo|> bioterror: i upgaded but still in 10.10 :P idk why
[21:10] <woutervddn> hey guys.. I've got this old acer laptop on which I'm running lubuntu netbook, but I noticed the names of the programs on the 'desktop' aren't centered when they are only 1 line..
[21:11] <woutervddn> any advice to where I should start my search to fix this?
[21:24] <kosaidpo|> woutervddn: i didnt get you sorry wht u mean by arent centred ?
[21:26] <woutervddn> well when you've got a short name like 'skype' it only takes up 1 line in lxlauncher. In that case the text is alligned to the left instead of center..
[21:26] <woutervddn> (mulitline text, or long program names are centered)
[21:27] <woutervddn> btw: is lxde.org down?
[21:27] <woutervddn> @kasaidpol
[21:27] <meetingology> woutervddn: Error: "kasaidpol" is not a valid command.
[21:28] <woutervddn> @kosaidpol
[21:28] <meetingology> woutervddn: Error: "kosaidpol" is not a valid command.
[21:28] <kosaidpo|> woutervddn: tyesh i cant access it too
[21:29] <woutervddn> strange..
[21:29] <woutervddn> maybe the server is down..
[21:29] <kosaidpo|> yehh i guess for the lxlauncher sorry i cant hellp
[21:29] <woutervddn> I believe I need to change the lxlauncher settings, but I can't seem to find the right place to set it..
[21:33] <kosaidpo|> see here /etc/xdg/lxlauncher
[21:33] <kosaidpo|>  theres a setting file
[21:33] <woutervddn> I'll look in to it :)
[21:33] <woutervddn> thx..
[21:34] <kosaidpo|> woutervddn: PS make a copy first in case u blows it u ll find u basic one
[21:35] <woutervddn> xD good point.. but that's something I do usually.. to many screw ups in the past :p
[21:36] <kosaidpo|>  i guess this is the file u lookin for /etc/xdg/menus/lxlauncher-application.menu
[21:36] <kosaidpo|> woutervddn: good luck
[21:43] <jmarsden> woutervddn: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/lxde.org says that lxde is indeed down.
[21:44] <woutervddn> thx.. :p didn't know that website.. nice to know :p
[21:46] <jmarsden> woutervddn: Yes, it is a handy way to check site status :)
[21:47] <woutervddn> indeed it is..
[21:48] <woutervddn> anyway I noticed lxlauncher aligns single line app names left and multiline app names centered.. how to I put them all in center?
[21:48] <woutervddn> I've checked the /etc/xdg/lxlauncher/gtkrc file but I can't find how to solve it.. :s
[21:49] <jmarsden> woutervddn: No idea, that's not something I would notice personally... I'll take a quick look...
[21:49] <woutervddn> it isn't the settings.conf file.. (at first sight..)
[21:50] <woutervddn> I wanted to look at lxde.org but that's not going to be any time soon I guess :p
[21:54] <Unit193> woutervddn: Google cache may help there
[21:55] <woutervddn> true..
[21:55] <jmarsden> woutervddn: Or you could    apt-get source lxlauncher    and read the code :)
[21:58] <jmarsden> woutervddn: It looks to me as though even the multi-line app names are not really centered, they are "centered but then slid left" or something like that...
[21:58] <jmarsden> I'd guess the name is centered within a text box and then that box is being placed on the left of some larger enclosing box.
[22:00] <jmarsden> Example: if you look in the Work tab of lxlauncher in a fresh install of lubuntu-11.04.iso, the "Open box session" text is centered but placed so it does not extend beyond the right edge of its icon, but does extend well to the left of that icon.
[22:00] <jmarsden> That's a bug in the way the code places objects, I would think.
[22:08] <woutervddn> I think you are right about the boxes..
[22:09] <jmarsden> woutervddn: Do you have the time and skills to read the code and patch this yourself, or do you want to file a bug in Launchpad about it?
[22:11] <woutervddn> I'm not sure if I'm able to. I'll look in to it, if I can't fix it I'll write a bug on the LP
[22:11] <jmarsden> OK, cool.
[22:11] <woutervddn> but isn't this an lxde bug rather than a lubuntu bug?
[22:12] <jmarsden> Probably -- I don't run lxde except in Lubuntu so I can't verify that.  Entering the bug in LP will get it pushed upstream if that is what needs to happen.
[22:12] <kosaidpo|> jmarsden: i tried to install os-probe it says mybe the pakage is obsolete or not available
[22:12] <kosaidpo|> :P
[22:13] <jmarsden> os-prober with an "r" at the end.
[22:13] <kosaidpo|> jmarsden: yehs i kno i noly have some isuue with my r key :P but i type it correctly
[22:13] <jmarsden> It definitely exists in Maverick, rmadison says:   os-prober |       1.39 |      maverick | source, amd64, i386
[22:14] <woutervddn> lol.. :p I found this in the code: "/* Adjust the size of label and set line wrapping is needed."
[22:14] <kosaidpo|> yeh i kno but i guess i have some problem
[22:14] <jmarsden> kosaidpo|: Does   sudo apt-get update      run with no errors?
[22:14] <woutervddn> directly followed by * FIXME: this is too dirty, and the effect is quite limited.
[22:14] <woutervddn>      * However, due to the unfortunate design flaws of gtk+, the
[22:14] <woutervddn>      * only way to overcome this might be implement our own label class.
[22:14] <woutervddn>      */
[22:15] <kosaidpo|> let me check pls ,btw u speak french ?? jmarsden
[22:15] <jmarsden> kosaidpo|: I do speak some French, but I am not sure it is good enough to do tech support in French :)
[22:16] <kosaidpo|> ohh its hiting some naty ones cus ealier
[22:16] <kosaidpo|> i did an upgrade
[22:16] <kosaidpo|> jmarsden: noo jst to let you read the message hang o
[22:16] <jmarsden> kosaidpo|: Ah, you broke your sources.list somehow?
[22:16] <kosaidpo|> yeh i guess so :P
[22:17] <jmarsden> kosaidpo|: for messages if you do    LANG=C apt-get install os-prober     it will give the message in English
[22:17] <jmarsden> kosaidpo|: You are sure you are still running Maverick, right?
[22:18] <kosaidpo|> jmarsden: okies thanks yeh
[22:18] <kosaidpo|> when i do lsb_release -a it gsays 10.10
[22:18] <jmarsden> OK, then can you pastebin me your /etc/apt/sources.list file so I can read it, please?
[22:19] <kosaidpo|> jmarsden: sure
[22:21] <kosaidpo|> jmarsden: here you go http://pastie.org/1851683
[22:26] <jmarsden> kosaidpo|: Try replacing it with http://pastie.org/1851697  and then doing   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install os-prober
[22:27] <kosaidpo|> jmarsden: ok
[22:30] <woutervddn> filed the bug :)
[22:31] <jmarsden> woutervddn: Thanks for doing that :)
[22:32] <kosaidpo|> jmarsden: thanks it works : D
[22:32] <jmarsden> Good :)   Do you know why the upgrade to 11.04 failed?
[22:34] <kosaidpo|> jmarsden: no cus ididnt updated my repo ??
[22:35] <jmarsden> I'm not sure... but you could try updating now with   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  and then retry the sudo do-release-upgrade -d  after that, if you want.
[22:39] <kosaidpo|> jmarsden: this guy on the off-topic told me he had problem with the upgrade so ill jst keep my actual one n mybe ill dl later
[22:39] <kosaidpo|> jmarsden: yeah earlier idk why dist-upgrade idnt work too so i had to use the scd whcih i jst discoved today : d
[22:40] <jmarsden> OK.  dist-upgrade should be fine now your sources.list is for maverick not natty :)
[22:41] <kosaidpo|> jmarsden: earlier even i had the mavick ones didnt work
[22:41] <jmarsden> Hmmm.  OK... does it work now?
[22:44] <ronulan> so I tried to install lubuntu and it says I need 5.3 gb of space free
[22:44] <ronulan> can that be right?
[22:44] <kosaidpo|> jmarsden: i didnt test it cus i changed my mind abt the upgrade :D and it ll took so much time my g modem sux balls really hard
[22:45] <kosaidpo|> it ll take* ... bad english error Grrrrrr
[22:45] <jmarsden> ronulan: I noticed that new size requirement too when installing, but did not investigate it further.  I just created a 6GB virtual machine and installed into that.
[22:46] <ronulan> can you check if the install actually did install 5.4 gig?  I'm curious if it is reporting the actual necessary system requirement or not
[22:46] <jmarsden> kosaidpo|: if you can get a CD from someone with a better Internet connection you can now upgrade from the CD, might save you a lot of time.
[22:47] <kosaidpo|> jmarsden: yeh ill jst dl the torrent tom in the monin the net is fast duing the mornings : D
[22:47] <jmarsden> ronulan: It says 1.6GB used.  So if the installer will let you continue anyway, you can probably install on a smaller hard drive.
[22:48] <ronulan> it doesn't :(
[22:50] <jmarsden> OK, I'd suggest you ask on the lubuntu-desktop mailing list about this.  gilir may know more about the increased size requirement.
[22:51] <ronulan> thanks
[22:51] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[22:55] <kosaidpo|> ronulan: you can try the minimal install https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[22:55] <kosaidpo|> jmarsden: thanks for help
[22:56] <jmarsden> kosaidpo|: You're welcome.