[00:00] I have had some eclipse problems, so I am trying to apt-get purge it and reinstall, but I am getting "package eclipse is not installed so cannot be removed", eclipse IS installed it runs under applications or by typing "eclipse" into command line [00:00] antiphysicist: i thought you compiled it? [00:01] maybe im remember it wrong [00:01] holstein: if compiled means downloaded the source and then did something that way, no, I used the built in "ubuntu software centre" [00:01] antiphysicist: try synaptic [00:01] holstein: you were probably confused by my continual disconnection [00:01] see if you see it [00:01] if not, that is odd [00:05] holstein: sorry, I'm really very new at this, I found "synaptic package manager" and used the search function and found "eclipse", that signifies that it recognises it on my pc or that it's available to download? [00:05] antiphysicist: well, both really [00:06] it should say what it available to install [00:06] and what is already installed [00:06] and should have marks to indicate [00:08] I think I see, in the box on the right "eclipse" has no mark but many other do, eg. "ecj" has orange ubuntu symbol and eclipse-platform has green filled square, besides many others [00:09] holstein: forgot to tag my previous message [00:13] the green filled square means its installed [00:13] pretty sure antiphysicist [00:14] you should be able to mark it for reinstallation right there [00:14] just find the package [00:14] and if its installed [00:14] it'll let you mark it for reinstallation [00:16] holstein: it's stupid but I didn't know this "synaptic" existed, I thought you had to use ubuntu software centre or apt-get, thanks i will be better at solving my problems now [00:16] yeah, its gui, but not too gui :) [00:17] i try and do everything with apt [00:17] but when i get stuck, i fire up synaptic [00:18] synaptic used to be the default gui tool in buntu [00:18] til quite recently actually [00:19] it's confusing, no google search on my problem mentioned it, all I get is command-line stuff or software manager, at first glance synaptic seems more powerful than manager and easier than terminal === coalwater_ is now known as coalwater [00:56] I just upgraded to 11.04, but now none of my windows have borders and I can't close them, any ideas how to fix this? [00:56] yax51: ? [00:57] are you in unity? [00:57] yes, I believe so [00:57] well, im allergic to speculation [00:57] SO [00:57] do you have a dock-like thing on the left side? [00:57] one panel? [00:57] 2 panels? [00:57] yes [00:58] so, one panel [00:58] at the top [00:58] and a dock like thing [00:58] yax51: try logging out [00:58] and log in with classic mode [00:58] sounds like a dead window decorator [00:58] correct, also I would like to try to move the panel to the bottom [00:58] see if the windows have decorations [00:58] ok, stand by [00:58] yax51: if you want to customize that UI at all [00:59] yes? [00:59] boot back in in classic mode [00:59] AFAIK [00:59] you cant move things about in unity [00:59] they'll come out with a hack soon enough lol [00:59] :) [01:00] hey holstein , have any dev interest? [01:01] ok, classic mode is engaged... [01:02] is there a way to boot into classic mode? [01:02] yax51, if you are in it now it will always boot to that session option [01:02] doesnt it ask u on login [01:03] yax51, unless you change it of course [01:03] yax51: you have window decorations? [01:03] coalwater: no it doesn't [01:03] coz: cool thanks [01:03] holstien: yup :) [01:05] sweet ! [01:05] * holstein high-fives yax51 [01:05] hehehe [01:07] yax51: when u login, down at the bottom, it lets u pick what u want to log in with [01:07] is the dock available in classic mode? [01:07] yax51, well not really [01:07] coalwater: I think I disabled that and had it log in automatically [01:07] yax51, cairo dock is better anyway [01:07] coz: hmmm might have to check that out [01:08] yax51, I replaced ...sort of ,, the Unity launcher with cairo dock let me show pic [01:08] yax51, http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot-I6w8QYT8.1304122124.png [01:10] thats a nice big screen lol [01:10] coalwater, dual monitor [01:10] is it 2 screens? [01:10] yea [01:10] not the best thing for unity but [01:10] felt so [01:10] lol [01:10] nice! [01:10] 2 session applets [01:10] coalwater, yeah I think I complained enough that global menu is a waste of time on dual monitors so now I have two lol [01:11] one for each monitor ,, wouldnt have been my solution but there it is :) [01:24] ok, when I plug in an external device, it mounts automatically, which is fine, but I don't want the icons on my desktop, is there a way to change that? [01:25] yax51: sure [01:25] thats in gconf-editor somewheres [01:25] alt-f2 [01:25] gconf-editor [01:26] hmmm [01:26] i think it has an option on nautilus [01:26] ... [01:26] hey, that would be easier ^ [01:27] ok, so how do I get to nautilus? [01:27] when u open ur home folder, that is nautilus [01:27] the folders explorer thing [01:28] give me a sec to check [01:29] yeah that makes sense, but how do I configure my external HDD not to put an icon on the desktop when mounted? [01:29] go to apps > nautilus > desktop and unclick volumes_visible [01:29] ^ from gconf-editor* [01:31] SWEET!! [01:39] I like this dock thing, never really played around with one before [01:41] i had a dock on windows, they're kinda cool === coalwater is now known as coalwater_away [03:10] hello? [03:10] Can someone help me? I just upgraded to 11.04 from 10.10 [03:11] and it ate my grub [03:15] Laggg1, it probably has only hidden the menu [03:22] !grub [03:22] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) [03:22] check that out ^ Laggg1 [03:23] maybe you just use a live CD to recover grub and all is good :) [04:31] I lost the window borders in 11.04 classic and can't figure out how to get them back.. [04:32] lol [04:32] yax51: you again ;) [04:32] I know right [04:32] yax51: try making a different user account [04:32] and logging in as that user [04:33] im going to be busy for a bit... [04:33] bbl [04:33] maybe I should not play with compiz anymore..... [04:37] yax51: ? [04:38] when I started playing with compiz, specifically the cube desktop, (which is really cool btw) it took away my window borders.... [04:40] sounds like a crash to me [04:40] yax51: what driver? [04:41] maybe you should try the proprietary drivers if you are not [04:42] it says the proprietary driver is activated but not in use? [04:45] bb.. [04:57] hey do you guys know how to resize the app launcher in unity? [04:58] it takes up the entire screen every time [04:58] better question is can you? [04:58] and AFAIK [04:58] you cant [04:58] but, im not sure [05:00] xAndromeda: yes [05:00] xAndromeda: do you have CompizConfigSettingsmanager installed? [05:01] sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager [05:03] once installed. Open the Dash and type compiz. Click to launch. Type Unity in the 'Filter' box in the top left. You will see Ubuntu Unity Plugin. Click the Experimental tab. Launcher Icon Size is the setting, it has s lsider to change the size [05:08] VICTORY!!!! [05:09] um not the launcer icon size [05:09] but the window thing [05:09] correct [05:09] that pops up with the search [05:09] just check the window decoration in CCSM....... [05:11] what i see on other sites [05:11] is when you press the application icon on the unity launcher [05:11] a black window thing pops up with a search bar and icons below it [05:12] where you search/launch your app [05:12] i dont seem to be getting the button on the lower right hand corner of that window [05:12] that supposedly lets you resize it/make it fullscreen [05:16] xAndromeda, yes I have that here [05:20] coz_, could you rephrase that? didnt quite understand [05:20] xAndromeda, pj O was responding to your not having that button to max the serach window [05:21] you have the button? [05:21] yes [05:21] I can screenshot if you like [05:22] no i know how it looks like [05:23] i remember seeing it in beta 1 [05:23] xAndromeda, has it been this way from the initial install [05:23] yeah [05:23] xAndromeda, oo ,, how did you install it,,, upgrade or clean,, cd or minimal ?? [05:23] i should mention that i ran the beta on a vm [05:23] ah [05:23] i did clean install [05:24] smart [05:24] i tried installing the beta [05:24] xAndromeda, the release ? or did you upgrade the betas [05:24] aswell [05:24] on its own partition [05:24] and it dosnt have the resize icon too [05:25] im running the x64 desktop version straight off the site atm [05:25] xAndromeda, mm,, I dont recall the icon on beta as much,, in fact it was a bit of a surprise after release [05:25] xAndromeda, ok [05:25] 2600x1200 screen so i dont think its my screen resolutin being too small [05:25] no [05:26] xAndromeda, there is an other option which is the minimal install cd... it isnt on the site yet but I have a copy [05:26] xAndromeda, this installs all packages from the net,,, so it is fully updated on first boot [05:26] NOT a live cd however [05:26] and only 19 megs [05:28] how did you install yours? [05:28] xAndromeda, minimal install cd [05:29] xAndromeda, this options allows installation during any point in its release life since it only installs current packages [05:29] this option rather,,, darn s :) [05:29] gaa [05:30] k il ltry it [05:30] hi: when I launch an application eg. firefox from the terminal, the terminal won't let me enter any other commands until i close the application, when I close the application it reads through anything I've written and tries to execute that, I have been messing around trying to learn bash scripts and have broken something [05:30] xAndromeda, ok cool..give me 2 minutes to reboot into maverick since my dropbox account is on there not here on natty [05:34] xAndromeda, ok here is the link http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/mini.iso [05:35] xAndromeda, now just a bit of explanation,, this is a test install,,not difficult..however, once the base system is installed you will be presented with a list of applications and DE's to choose from,, I suggest only ubuntu-desktop... however on that list you must use the up and down arrow to scroll and the Space bar to select,, not ENTER [05:35] once seleted then hit enter [05:36] o0 [05:37] ok I guess he already downloade it [05:43] hi: when I launch an application eg. firefox from the terminal, the terminal won't let me enter any other commands until i close the application, when I close the application it reads through anything I've written and tries to execute that, I have been messing around trying to learn bash scripts and have broken something [06:34] why is the ui from the x86 version different from the i64 version? [06:34] andro_: im going to guess its graphics driver related [06:34] and one is supporting 3d out of the box [06:45] should I upgrade to ubuntu 11.04 [06:45] ? [06:45] nzashadow: I don't know much, I haven't even gotten it to fully load [06:45] lol [06:45] nzashadow: But I can tell you a little bit [06:45] nzashadow: do you want it? [06:45] have you checked it out live? [06:46] not sure, and no haven't checked it out [06:46] thats what i suggest the live CD's for [06:46] nzashadow: Most of the change is in the desktop, and some graphics cards/hardwares might not be able to handle it [06:46] besides using the live CD to judge it, it also alerts you of trouble with it before hand [06:47] mm, well I just got ubuntu 10.10 a couple days ago, my first time to try linux out [06:47] maybe you should live in that for a while then [06:48] so I'm not sure if it would be beginner friendly, or if it'll mess with the settings I have already or whatnot [06:48] I failed to install a ATI driver from additional drivers, http://pastebin.com/9iC0sCwL Can someone please help make this work? [06:48] alright, sounds like a plan [06:49] truepurple: are you upgraded? [06:49] fully up to date? [06:49] Sort of, it says I am, but I have to go to "old linux" to get to desktop [06:49] It might be that my current soft drivers are insufficient for unity [06:49] Which brings us to this [06:50] right [06:50] well, open a terminal [06:50] and run [06:50] sudo apt-get update [06:50] then [06:50] sudo apt-get upgrade [06:50] then, when that is done [06:50] Your talking about geting a open driver? [06:50] try the driver install again [06:50] I did the updates [06:50] and if it fails come back :) [06:50] All it did was update firefox [06:50] truepurple: so, you are up to date? [06:51] yeah [06:51] except video card driver [06:51] well, its current [06:51] your just not getting the proper driver [06:51] the one you want* [06:51] I wouldn't put it in those terms [06:51] yeah? [06:52] But whatever, did you check out the link? [06:52] you think you have the proprietary driver installed then? [06:52] and it needs to be upgraded? [06:52] no [06:52] thats an interesting perspective [06:52] anyhow [06:52] check out [06:52] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI [06:52] and yes [06:52] i looked at the link [06:53] Those instructions lay outside of this problem [06:53] yeah? [06:53] in what way? [06:53] And yes I already looked at them [06:53] OK [06:53] nzashadow i updated to 11.04 i'm not really liking it [06:53] so you can check and see if fglrx is installed [06:54] "his is found under System->Administration->Additional Drivers. [06:54] After the fglrx driver is installed, reboot your system and login. To check whether the fglrx driver is working, open a Terminal " nothing in there covers "and if it refuses to install resulting in X error" [06:55] Well the error suggests it did not install [06:55] truepurple: right [06:55] Suggests, hell it says it flat out [06:55] so you tried getting a driver from http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx ? [06:55] yeah, the driver is not getting installed [06:55] sirkill: what don't you like about it? [06:55] thats why i was suggesting that link [06:56] so you could maybe get some different packages [06:56] it changed most of my setting [06:56] from ati [06:56] instead of just using the automatic one from buntu [06:56] which is failing for you for some reason [06:56] That is one option I've considered, though I don't know how to install it, but I was told that, that option is also more difficult to remove, and also does not autoupdate [06:56] for example i had teh connections btoon seperate from the other stuff up top and on the bottom [06:56] and it moved it back to the top without asking me [06:56] truepurple: well, you got options [06:56] 2d [06:56] also [06:56] Additionally, something is wrong that I get this error, and I want to know why [06:56] installed firefox 4 [06:57] gnome or unity-2d [06:57] which i was avoidinginstalling [06:57] truepurple: or, trying a different driver [06:57] and now my vmware tools somehow got uninstalled [06:57] which is a real pain [06:57] Are you able to help me install this one? [06:57] becuase its a massive annoyance to me to reinstall them [06:57] truepurple: there are pretty good instructions at that wiki [06:57] becuase i am not sure how i did it the first time [06:57] if you get stuck somewhere [06:57] im sure someone could help :) [06:58] speaking of which how would i go about installing the vmware tools [06:58] holstein: I just told you that the problem lies outside of those instructions, and explicitely showed you how they do [06:59] truepurple: i realize you did [06:59] but [06:59] i dont think you are willing to try the ati drivers [06:59] from [06:59] http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx [06:59] which is also suggested at that link [06:59] and thats fine if you dont want to try it [06:59] its just really the only other option though [06:59] holstein: I gave you 3 reasons why I didn't want to do that [07:00] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#Install the fglrx Driver from AMD/ATI Catalyst 11.2 For Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick [07:00] truepurple: right [07:00] and valid ones [07:00] BUT [07:00] that doesnt change the facts [07:00] you can file a bug [07:00] and follow up [07:00] holstein: There is another option, finding someone knowledgable enough to be able to tell me what is going wrong here, and how to fix it, you are not such a person? [07:00] and see [07:00] truepurple: whats wrong is [07:00] the driver in the repos [07:00] is not working with your hardware [07:00] ah, thanks sirkill, those are the kind of problems I want to avoid [07:01] i am not the one to fix it [07:01] and its challenging to do so [07:01] holstein: how did you come to that conclusion? [07:01] since these are not open source [07:01] truepurple: well, you try it [07:01] and it doesnt work [07:01] try what? [07:01] installing [07:01] the drivers === andro_ is now known as _nan_ [07:01] nzashadow i wish i had avoided them now =( [07:01] from the default repo [07:01] and it fails [07:01] i spent about an hour seting things back to normal [07:01] and things still arent completely normal [07:02] There is more then one possible cause for the driver to fail to work like that [07:02] sure [07:02] other packages [07:02] which you said you are up to date [07:02] so, what are some advantages to ubuntu 11.04? [07:02] kernel* [07:02] who knows what other packages [07:02] truepurple: have you found a bug? [07:02] I mean more then just that, or how do you know those are the only two possible causes? [07:02] relating to your hardware? [07:03] a bug report* [07:03] nzashadow ah it has a cool scrill bar [07:03] scroll [07:03] truepurple: i dont [07:03] Well, you seem to assume it is a bug related to my hardware [07:03] i assume its a bug relating to the driver in the repos [07:03] working with your hardware [07:03] yes [07:03] maybe noe [07:03] not* [07:03] but [07:03] it aint workin [07:04] and you havent tried the other driver [07:04] which would be an easy way to confirm that* [07:04] but, do what you feel comfortable with [07:04] that's not too exciting, lol [07:04] That wouldn't confirm anything [07:04] i would look around for a bug report [07:04] truepurple: ?? [07:04] that would confirm that your hardware works [07:04] and the ati driver from the ati site works [07:05] and the driver from buntu doesnt [07:05] rigth? [07:05] mabye we're not on the same page [07:05] ... [07:05] Since its possibly a different driver, plus the ati driver specifies its for 6xxx series. Also I have talked to other people who have used that driver [07:06] well, just for the future [07:06] when someone suggests trying a different driver [07:06] you might want to consider being open to it [07:06] its challening to troubleshoot some of these issues [07:06] relating to non-open hardware [07:06] also [07:06] any hardware really* [07:06] I was open to it, when i first considered that driver, but the clincher is that its difficult to remove [07:06] i cant right click in program in wine [07:07] is this normal? [07:07] So I can't just test it then try something else [07:07] truepurple: did you find a bug report? [07:07] a bug report where and how? [07:07] launchpad [07:07] Do I SE that term? I might come up with rockets etc links [07:07] truepurple: you can search in google 'ubuntu ati 6570' or whatever [07:08] maybe 'ubuntu bugs' [07:08] or 'ubuntu lauchpad' [07:08] if you dont see anything [07:08] then you might consider creating a launchpad account [07:08] and start a bug report [07:08] holstein: Link? [07:09] if you are having trouble [07:09] someone else is too [07:09] truepurple: link to? [07:09] this launchpad [07:09] I'd SE it, but its too common a term [07:09] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu [07:09] se? [07:10] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs [07:10] Search engine [07:11] has anyone tried config fusion? [07:11] if you put 'ubuntu' with it [07:11] it'll come up [07:11] i put ubuntu la in google [07:11] and its auto-completing launchpad :) [07:18] http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/GPU83ATICatalystLinuxHotfix.aspx but the link doesn't work [07:21] \http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/GPU83ATICatalystLinuxHotfix.aspx [07:21] truepurple: its working for me [07:21]