[00:01] penguin42: What if I boot into a mini_Linux using this cd? Could you help me with the terminal commands? [00:01] igitihi: No, if you can boot into your installed Ubuntu then I might be able to help [00:02] penguin42: Unfortunately I can't. Thanks anyway! [00:04] Mez: have a look at 'incognito' by david eagleman [00:08] penguin42: Hey, I managed to boot into Ubuntu! [00:08] penguin42: How do I restore the grub now? [00:09] igitihi: Try running update-grub and see if that manages it [00:09] although I'm not sure that will actually reinstall it if needed [00:09] update-grub will do that [00:10] let's see... [00:11] hmmm... nope, I get an irrelevant grub menu which lists older ubuntu versions that simply don't exist anymore! [00:12] hey? [00:12] since both OS are intact, is there a way to build a new grub menu so that I can use both? [00:14] grub-install should do a basic install of grub, and I would have thought doing an update-grub after that should find your other OS [00:15] Here's the problem: I can boot into ubuntu using the superGrub cd. When I boot form the hard disk, I get a boot menu that points to older versions of ubuntu than my current one and so I can't boot [00:16] I think the mbr is messed up. Any ideas to get it right? [00:16] if the mbr was messed up you wouldn't get to grub [00:17] but I get to a wrong bersion of grub (apparently) that points to other versions of Ubuntu than the existing one [00:18] igitihi: update-grub should update all that to be the ubuntu you have installed - that is assuming you've booted into the ubuntu installation you think you have [00:19] that's what I did, I booted into 9.10 [00:19] but the menu I get when I boot from the hard disk points to 8.04! [00:19] and doesn't work of course [00:20] so, my ubuntu partition is there and works fine but I just can't boot into it normally [00:33] http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wsdatap/v3r8m1/index.jsp?topic=/xs40/convertingbetweenjsonandjsonx05.htm - haaaaaaaaaah hahaha - ibm is funny! [01:03] keep getting a fetch error when trying to upgrade, anyone else getting that error too? [01:11] http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xulrunner-2.0/xulrunner-2.0-mozjs_2.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_i386.deb [01:12] it says i dont have permission to access === zerosumgame is now known as kaz === kaz is now known as kaz1 === kaz1 is now known as kaz56 [02:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiHuiDD_oTk [02:25] damn it [02:25] cat is been sick after eating slugs [02:35] hamitron: why did your cat eat slugs? [02:35] I dunno [02:35] it eats silver fish too [02:35] you should probably talk to your cat about that. :p [02:35] :)) [02:37] my rail to volcano nearly done [02:37] not sure if to sleep or complete it :/ [02:38] rail volcano? [02:39] my volcano in minecraft now has a train station in it [02:39] :) [02:39] fun :D [02:55] it is done and works [02:55] :) [02:56] nn o/ === Cepheus1 is now known as Cepheus [04:14] [Jono Bacon] My Dream Ubuntu One Feature - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/30/my-dream-ubuntu-one-feature/ [06:17] morning ! [06:54] hey GingerDog [06:54] morning to ya [07:04] * MartijnVdS plays some spachechem [07:04] spacechem* [09:02] Good morning folks [09:07] morning dwatkins [09:34] morning all [09:35] \o [09:42] * MartijnVdS fills up the kettle [09:43] milk 2 please :) [09:47] *shudder* === serial is now known as Guest64803 [10:30] hi all. is there any reason why my pc is telling me its going to take about 7hs to download the new release? [10:30] because its 700MB in size [10:30] for the cd iso anyhow [10:31] hi, got a problem, with Natty installation, its the appearance. I like the Mac4Lin Theme, with the controls on the left of the screen. Now, when the window is Maximized, in the top bar, it shows the controls on the left, but if you Minimize the window, it shows the control buttons on the right, how can I get it to stay on the left. Plus, is Mac4Lin have support from Natty? [10:31] but ive had others before and its took no time, especially since i got 50 meg download speed [10:31] have you tried running in classic mode scoundrel50a? [10:31] try connecting to a different server, some of them are slooooow [10:32] not yet, I will give it a go now, what do you want me to look out for when I try looking in classic mode [10:32] jonsaint: try getting the .torrent, it'll be loads faster [10:32] cheers [10:32] unity will bet at the top level in ubuntu mode, unity isnt enabled in classic [10:33] ok, rebooting now, I'll msee what it looks like [10:33] you could have logged out and selected from the window manage selection menu :) [10:35] oh, I didnt know that its now rebooted, much better, I do prefere the classic view, yay, and dropbox is back, [10:36] I'll see if I can get Mac4Lin working again now [10:38] :) [10:40] yay, got my Mac look back, brilliant. Thank you [10:40] cool :) enjoy! [10:41] uhrm [10:41] Unity isn't mac look enough? :) [10:41] true [10:41] each to there own i guess, one of the wonderful thing to free/libre and open source software... can do with it what you want :) [10:41] unity looks nothing like mac [10:42] its similar wouldnt you say jibadeeha? [10:42] okay i retract that statement after thinking about the global menu [10:42] and the dock [10:43] or whatever it's called in unity [10:43] did you all upgrade on thursday? [10:43] I upgraded months a go [10:43] ago* [10:43] to 11.04? [10:44] Yeah, the development version [10:44] me too :) [10:44] ok, I suppose what I meant was the Mac4Lin theme I liked, I dont know much about Mac software, have used it a few times, but itsw this theme I like, plus, I like my FDropbox icon in view [10:46] In Maverick, you have the option in appearances of choosing visual effects, in Natty, that option isnt there. How can you work out what visual effects you can get on you computer without it? [10:51] morning [10:52] are you using compiz scoundrel50a? [11:01] I dont think so, I'll see if its installed. [11:07] ok, got compiz installed and working, brilliant thank you. :) [11:07] Hi [11:08] Can someone please guide me about Networking Issues ? [11:08] is this the right place ? [11:12] kaushal: Please state your problem, then if anybody knows how to solve your problem they will answer you. :) [11:12] kvarley: sure [11:13] I have a Networking issue between the telco and our end, telco says there is no issue at their end [11:14] and blame us the issue is at our end [11:15] so the issue is there is round about 20% - 30 % of packets [11:15] loss [11:15] kaushal: Can you access the internet from any computer inside your network? What does you router say about your connection status? (Your router page can be accessed via a web browser if you are using a router, usually it will be http://192.168.1.1 or some other combintation) [11:15] kvarley: nope [11:16] its a SMPP protocol [11:16] kaushal: Networking isn't really in my field of knowledge, sorry. If you don't get a response in this channel shortly you may want to ask in #ubuntu - It's the main Ubuntu support channel and is generally more active than this LoCo [11:18] kvarley: ok [11:19] good morning everyone. [11:19] brobostigon: 0/ [11:20] kvarley: o/ [11:20] brobostigon: hows it going? [11:20] kvarley: not bad, tired, and my mind hurts. and you? [11:21] brobostigon: You need more coffee xD And not too bad, just battling with Unreal Tournament 2004 - it won't show any of my mods in the menu :/ [11:22] kvarley: i have my first coffee of the day here. hmm, :( not good. [11:22] on my second here but still in bed [11:23] jibadeeha: Nice [11:23] jibadeeha: I started off with an espresso, might be time for another [11:23] i am feeling a bit worse for wear [11:23] espresso sounds good to me - i need a shot of that [11:27] fingers crossed, hope theyshow click on bbc news. [11:28] unlikely i reckon, :( === choffee_ is now known as choffee [11:29] what is on click? [11:29] jibadeeha: it is a technology news program. [11:30] ah yes just wondered if there was something special on it this week [11:31] no click, :( [11:35] click got ditched again, for insignificant populerist news. [11:39] click still exists? [11:39] who was watching it? [11:40] me, trying to watch it, but it got ditched, for insignificant populerist claptrap. [11:40] i might suggest that is what click was anyway ;) [11:40] although the last time i saw it was when that older guy got replaced with some newer guy [11:40] gord: click is a good techprogram. [12:09] brobostigon: you like it? i've always found it pretty lame [12:09] MS-centric and behind the curve [12:09] when they make tech things mainstream they lose the tech audience and also the mainstream audience IMO [12:10] oimon: ms centric. i have pretty much, found them good at mentioning and reporting onother systems. [12:15] [Tony] Elisabeth Sladen - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/04/19/elisabeth-sladen/ === denny- is now known as denny [13:03] \o [13:03] lo [13:03] \p [13:07] whats the key combination to remove any mention of royal or wedding from my internet? [13:10] gord: the x in the corner of your browser :P [13:13] Pendulum, aha, i'll just have to use my backup internet then *opens a directory labeled "pictures_of_funny_cats"* [13:14] :D [13:17] How can i change folders and files properties of FAT23 and NTFS files through ubunt ? like changed hidden to un-hidden ? [13:18] gord: hrm, you could technically write an extension that reads the content of your page and if royal wedding is found redirects to you kittens ^-^ [13:19] should be a version of adblock that does that [13:27] gord: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DJPFRJA-Po [13:30] ooookay, 10.10 won't even boot [13:43] What did everybody have for breakfast today? [13:44] exobuzz: http://www.jonnor.com/2011/04/introducing-maliit-on-screen-keyboard-in-gnome-3/ [13:44] :) [13:45] popey: is that gnome shell? [13:45] thats a nice keyboard [13:45] MartijnVdS, the keyboard isn't, the bar at the top is [13:45] gord: That's what I meant, sorry [13:45] gord: nothing beats Swype :) [13:46] popey, interesting. ill have to try that one [13:46] see how it compares to florence [13:46] i stopped using my swipe like thing with the latest android, the new keyboard is great [13:46] oh neat [13:46] I used an iPhone and an Android phone. [13:46] I had great difficulty with the iPhone keyboard [13:47] yeah, i don't like the ipad keyboard either, others do though so iruno [13:47] (which I did find odd, I thought Apple were great in UX) [13:47] apple are great in UX, for people who like that kind of UX, but there are a lot of us that need something different, yay market choice [13:47] heh [13:50] interesting, so yeah 10.10 will install fine, but 11.04 goes insane [13:50] must be that evil unity thing [13:50] * gord writes a big blog post [13:51] I is not impressed: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/-tedGRcfQT4DIgUILLn1kQ?feat=directlink [13:51] that's what it looks like on the computer next to me [13:51] HazRPG: what? the keyboard or unity? [13:52] hmm? [13:52] HazRPG: what is "it"? :) [13:53] MartijnVdS: the screenshot is of the desktop of 11.04 being blurly and unusable [13:54] gord: didn't you write a few lines of code for that evil unity thing? [13:54] :p [13:54] MartijnVdS: that's not even on a virtual machine, that's on my spare machine! [13:54] HazRPG: blame gord [13:54] xD [13:55] i think i'm the first guy in the commit logs for unity :) [13:55] gord: exactly! a 'few' lines :p [13:55] nigelb: one or two [13:55] only reason I managed to get a screenshot uploaded, was because I constantly had to move windows around so that I could refresh its screen long enough to read things [13:55] MartijnVdS: yeah, we don't count the zeros that come after the one or two :p [13:56] nigelb: zero is nothing anyway [13:56] haha [13:56] MartijnVdS: not in programming! [14:00] okay, lets see how well an 10.10 upgrade to 11.04 goes, i bet it goes swimmingly [14:05] the upgrade will be fine, whether it runs properly is another issue [14:06] * brobostigon crosses fingers for HazRPG [14:09] gord - The upgrade I did on my son's PC didn't go swimmingly at all. :-( [14:12] well this is straight, "as installed" 10.10 to 11.04 - i mean, that should be fine [14:12] i never really trust upgrades when i change the packages [14:25] Daviey: you here [14:57] greetings [14:58] afternoonings livingdaylight :) [15:02] Hi. Does anyone know how I can get Unity running in 11.04. It works with a live USB with beta but not after upgrade from 10.10. [15:12] TonyP: Log out, then select it from the menu on the login screen (might only appear after selecting your user name) [15:15] MartijnVds: Sorry, should have said that does not give me Unity (just a message first time about hardware) [15:15] what kind of graphics card do you have? [15:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DemystifyingUnityGraphicsHardwareRequirements [15:16] ATI Radeon Xpress 200 integrated [15:17] But remember, the live USB *does* give me Unity [15:17] check if you're using the same driver on the live usb [15:17] Both seem to use 'radeon' [15:18] TonyP: can you run the command on that page? [15:18] /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p [15:19] Gives me 'Segmentation fault' [15:19] that shouldn't happen [15:19] it does explain why it doesn't work though [15:19] sounds like things weren't installed correctly/fully [15:20] Did it offer you to install "better drivers"? [15:20] Looks like it ran OK the one time hen I first booted into 11..01 [15:20] TonyP: Hence my question about installing other drivers :) [15:21] No offer for better drivers [15:21] TonyP: can you check if any packages matching "fglrx" are installed? [15:21] TonyP: or even better [15:21] TonyP: pastebin the output of "jocket-text -l" [15:21] sorry [15:22] "jockey-text -l" [15:25] MartijnVdS: jockey-text -l gives me nothing. fglrx is installed. [15:26] TonyP: System -> Administration -> Additional Drivers [15:26] TonyP: can you open that [15:28] MartijnVdS: gives me nothing [15:28] TonyP: it should at least ask for your password [15:28] and then open a window [15:28] it might take a while to open [15:31] MartijnVdS: No just does 'searching for available drivers' then opens the window with 'No Proprietary drivers are in use on this system' [15:32] hmm [15:32] it really sounds like you installed "wrong" bits of a driver somewhere [15:32] or some GL library [15:32] I'm not really an expert in this area :| [15:37] could it be related to someone needing to re-install ubuntu-desktop last night? [15:38] it could be a corrupt .so on the hard disk [15:38] but that would be scary [15:38] or corrupt RAM [15:38] slightly less scary, but still scaryish [15:40] o/ [15:41] \o daubersman [15:41] popeys website seems to be nerfed [15:42] the front page works [15:42] popey: your blog is b0rken [15:43] MartijnVdS: Front page doesn't work for me :( [15:43] MartijnVdS: Thanks for your help for now - I'll have a look round for other stuff [15:43] daubers: "popey.com" works for me, static html-ish thingy [15:43] MartijnVdS: Ah, I had a www. in the front and that doesn't [15:44] ah without the www the blog also works [15:44] Yes :) [15:44] popey: correction, it's only slightly broken :) -- with www it doesn't work, without it works fine. [15:44] popey: however, blog.popey.com redirects to www.popey.com/blog and is broken :) [15:49] http://paste.ubuntu.com/601343/ can someone give me a hand with the if statement please. [15:49] Has Google Calendar been dropped (support wise) from Evolution? [15:49] KrisDouglas: let me check [15:50] I can no longer click New>Calendar and then select Google. [15:50] KrisDouglas: I have "Google Calendar" as an option in the "New calendar" dialog [15:51] What version of Evo are you on? [15:51] KrisDouglas: 2.32.2-0ubuntu7 [15:51] 2.32.2 on 11.04 doesn't give me the option [15:51] What the hell. [15:51] KrisDouglas: maybe you need evolution-plugins as well? [15:51] at least I'm not going insane. [15:51] I have those. [15:51] KrisDouglas: or if you have that, enable the plugin in the plugins dialog [15:52] waaait [15:52] * MartijnVdS waits [15:53] I am going mad. Sorry I had installed the evo experimental plugins, not the standard ones. Thank you :) [15:53] np :) [15:53] brobostigon: are yo allowed to do that? if Ne >= Ney and <= Ne [15:54] oimon: iamnot sure, thatis why i amasking, but the if statement, nneeds to check for those two states, [15:55] what are you trying to check? [15:55] if ( (Ne >= Ney) AND ?? ) [15:56] MartijnVdS: www.popey.com now fixed [15:56] thanks daubers too :) [15:56] popey: \o/ [15:56] oimon: if Ne is greater than or equal to Ney, and Ne is less than or equal to Ne(y+1) , otherwie dont go anyfurther. [15:58] what's Ne(y+1) ? Ne isn't a function AFAI see. do you mean the array ne[] ? [15:58] oimon: the variable Ne, plus whatever y is, + 1. [15:59] oimon: i amtrying to convert my dads mathematics here. [15:59] #maths :) [16:00] MartijnVdS: i understand the mathematics, tht isnt the issue, it convverting it into c, which is the problem, [16:00] are you trying to multiply Ne * (y+1) ? [16:00] no. [16:00] brobostigon: I missed the start of the conversation, sorry [16:01] What are "Ne" and "Ney"? [16:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/601343/ [16:01] MartijnVdS: simple variables, within the equation i am trying to convert, [16:01] Ne[y], Ne[y+1] [16:02] those look like array access.. [16:02] but it looks all wrong :) [16:02] use a comma, ok, let me try. [16:02] no wait :) [16:02] MartijnVdS: i will scan my dads mathematics for you. [16:02] I meant, you use the name "Ney" without declaring it first :) [16:03] MartijnVdS: Ney is declared, up top. [16:03] ah yes.. but isn't the language case-sensitive? [16:03] it is,yes. [16:03] also.. it's a programming language -- useful names are allowed [16:03] ;) [16:04] What do "Ne" and "I" mean? and "g", "x" "a", "e", "ex" etc. [16:04] MartijnVdS: Ne* and I* and entries within an array, [16:05] prob best to scan the page of Maths :P [16:05] that is what i am doing. [16:05] the goto 1:/if bit looks like an infinite loop, in the right (wrong?) conditions.. you never refresh your variables between gotos :) [16:05] i've never used goto in C before [16:06] oimon: I have, but I think he wants a while or a for here [16:06] yep [16:06] i haven't used C properly for over 10 years but it comes back eventually [16:06] I use it from time to time [16:06] mostly hacking on existing code though [16:10] https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1kMgtVoNwDgJGD2tLjVVvSHIVE8JkmMJrgFjAMubb8vs [16:10] there we go, a link to the scanned document. [16:11] brobostigon: You'll want to use: [16:12] how do you write that in C [16:12] argh [16:12] my head is in Perl mode :) [16:13] :) [16:13] brobostigon: it's a standard loop though: y=y+1 until ne(current) >= ne[y] AND ne(current) <= ne[y+1] [16:13] something like: while ((Ne >= Ney) && (Ne <= Ne*(y+1)) ) {y++;} [16:13] oimon: no it's Ne[y] and Ne[y+1] I think [16:13] ah, the lower case array ne[ ] ? [16:14] yes [16:15] so it becomes: [16:15] brobostigon: is this about val or speed? :) [16:15] ah read "Ne x" [16:16] enginespeed :) [16:16] Nex, is going to be a point within the array. [16:16] I think it shuold be: [16:16] i have my 1yr old son on my lap so finding it hard to join in :P [16:17] while ((Nex >= ne[y]) && (Nex <= Ne[y+1])) { y++; } [16:17] brobostigon: instead of the goto/if/y+1 lines [16:18] MartijnVdS: so not just the if statement replace thqt with, but the whole block? [16:18] brobostigon: those 3 lines should be replaced with the one [16:19] brobostigon: note that it doesn't cope with Nex > (maximum value in ne[]) [16:19] brobostigon: (oops, bug in my line: replace Ne[y+1] with ne[y+1]) [16:19] MartijnVdS: like http://paste.ubuntu.com/601352/ [16:19] brobostigon: (this reads like obfuscated code ;)) [16:20] brobostigon: like that, yes (but see my correction) [16:21] i should take up coding again...doing it at uni put me off :P [16:22] then writing boring stuff like hash tables and data feed handlers in my 1st job made it even more dull..don't think linux was around in those days though [16:22] oimon: pre-1991? [16:23] MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/601354/ [16:23] like that? [16:23] MartijnVdS: let's say it didn't hit my radar until 1999 [16:23] brobostigon: yes [16:23] rh5.1 manhattan was my first one [16:24] brobostigon: What are you trying to do? (high level) [16:26] MartijnVdS: engine speed relativeto the wheel speed, based on the curve, with the values in those two arrays. [16:26] brobostigon: both reading and writing? Robotics? :) [16:27] gradient on a straight line? [16:27] tip: work out what the maths is actually doing and then use standard functions [16:28] MartijnVdS: car control, hydraulics. [16:29] ali1234: i know what the maths is doing. [16:34] brobostigon: again, start with naming the variables "properly" -- give them names that explain what they contain [16:35] it'll help you write the code -- if you can say "if(speed > speed_bracket[current_speed_bracket]) { }", that's much more understandable than "if (x > y[z]) {}" [16:36] this code is supposed to calculate Ix based on Nex [16:36] is the relationship really a straight line as implied by the graph? [16:37] ali1234: yes. [16:37] then there is no need for so much curve [16:37] Ix = m*Nex+c [16:37] MartijnVdS: that is what i thought i had done, named them appropriatly, based ontheir relationship to the array. [16:37] simply derive m and c based on what you have, and the job is done [16:37] brobostigon: Sure but are you going to remember what "Ix" and "Nex" are next week? Next month? :) [16:38] Ix is a random point on the I axis and Nex is a random point on the Ne axis [16:38] ali1234: let me rite that down, and try it, [16:38] i have nfc what I and Ne are but it doesn't matter [16:38] ali1234: But what do I and Ne mean? [16:38] don't know, don't care :) [16:38] someone should :) [16:38] if it said X and Y instead, it would be a lot easier to understand [16:39] * MartijnVdS doesn't want to read ali1234's code :P [16:39] hehe [16:39] the question i have is why is there ne[] and Ip[]? [16:39] they a random letter, to represent them, nothing more [16:40] what those numbers in the arrays for? [16:40] ali1234: http://paste.ubuntu.com/601362/ [16:40] ali1234: they represent the points on that graph, [16:40] this new o/s is killin me! how the heck do i mount my secondary drive using this thing?? [16:40] you only need two points if it is a straight line [16:40] jonsaint: you click on it in the file browser. [16:40] let me check if those points all fall on a line [16:41] they don't [16:41] don't look like it [16:41] each segment is presumably a straight line though [16:41] ali1234: my dad gave me those array figures, so i am assuming they are all there, for a good reason. [16:41] daft question but wheres filebrowser on this new one? [16:41] jonsaint: on the side bar, it's the big file icon, in yellow. [16:42] brobostigon: so you have a series of points and you are basically interpolating them, correct? [16:42] alt + f2,then enter nautilus, [16:42] ali1234: yes. [16:42] its not there [16:43] linear interpolation? [16:43] oimon: according to the doc, yes [16:43] i got files and folders but its not in there either [16:44] jonsaint: if the drive isn't showing up in the file browser then something isn't right, maybe install gparted and have a look at it. [16:44] ali1234: that document i scanned is the mathematics i have been given, by my dad, and spent several hours earlier trying to explain it all. [16:44] brobostigon: lolz [16:45] you should use openservo for this [16:45] this is all it does [16:45] ali1234: let melookthatup, onminute. [16:45] interpolate on a graph and then output a pwm signal to reach the desired position [16:45] Azelphur, you mean files and folders on the left in the bar? [16:45]