[00:01] <orys> skierpage: so I *guess* this will be motherboard: http://poteflon.pl/paste/2692
[00:03] <orys> SIR_Taco: you are in US?
[00:03] <SIR_Taco> orys: Canada
[00:03] <orys> ah, off course
[00:03] <orys> hockey :-)
[00:03] <SIR_Taco> yes... hockey... haha
[00:04] <SIR_Taco> it's a valid stereotype
[00:04] <orys> :>
[00:04] <orys> ok
[00:04] <orys> I will try to see that bios again
[00:04] <orys> and then I have one (or two, if I fail) more issues, if someone is NOT watching hockey ;-)
[00:04] <orys> brb
[00:05] <SIR_Taco> it has to be there somewhere orys... unless it's an old motherboard and it's a jumper... which would suck
[00:05] <skierpage> orys, at every one of those levels you can try to set the preferred sound card, e.g. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture tells you (badly) how to configure Alsa ~/.asoundrc.
[00:05] <SIR_Taco> and he's gone
[00:05] <SIR_Taco> skierpage: I was really trying to keep him/her away from messing with files if at all possible
[00:06] <sirlinux> Hello every1 how may i make the updates on kubuntu 11.04 directly from the terminal ( the cmds ) ? thanks
[00:06] <SIR_Taco> sirlinux: to upgrade to 11.04?
[00:06] <sirlinux> nop i just need the updates
[00:06] <sirlinux> like apt-get update
[00:07] <sirlinux> but, he just show/download but does not install them ..
[00:07] <SIR_Taco> sirlinux: "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[00:07] <SIR_Taco> oh
[00:07] <sirlinux> upgrade ?
[00:07] <sysop3> hey guys you someone add the xml file form https://svn.reviewboard.kde.org/r/5271/diff/?expand=1 to the kate package?  its for brightscript a language for a linux based DVP
[00:07] <sirlinux> i dont need upgrade dude, just update
[00:08] <SIR_Taco> sirlinux: I realize that, just try it
[00:08] <SIR_Taco> due
[00:08] <sirlinux> i just installed it, and i need some updates for it to fix some bugs
[00:08] <sirlinux> thanks sir_taco :)
[00:08] <slinker1> SIR_Taco: speaks truth sirlinux :)
[00:08] <SIR_Taco> dude lol
[00:09] <sirlinux> so ... someone remember that cmd ?
[00:09] <James147> SIR_Taco: update updates the package lists - so taht the package manage knows about new apckages and new versions of packages - dist-upgrade upgrades any newer packages
[00:09] <sirlinux> i will appreciate it :p
[00:09] <James147> sirlinux: ^^
[00:10] <sirlinux> ^^
[00:10] <slinker1> heh
[00:10] <sirlinux> well i just tryied something new <-- lost on kubuntu rofl
[00:10] <SIR_Taco> James147: yea, but that's my routine and works well
[00:10] <James147> sirlinux: so "sudo apt-get update" (find out what need to be upgraded) then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" (to actually upgrade things)
[00:11] <SIR_Taco> James147: but if you're using the CLI.... you have to do the "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to find out what is going to be upgraded
[00:11] <sirlinux> Okey james i did that, lets see if kubuntu will crash ^^
[00:11] <SIR_Taco> and gives you the Y/N option
[00:12] <SIR_Taco> orys: did it work?
[00:12] <orys> SIR_Taco: well, partially
[00:12] <orys> I have now system sound
[00:12] <James147> SIR_Taco: I was talking more about the packagemanage ^^ update and the package manager know what needs to be upgraded (though dosnt really care till you tell it to)
[00:12] <orys> but speakers test does not bring anything
[00:13] <orys> skype makes sounds with some interferences (like throuhg very poor phone line)
[00:13] <sirlinux> well yes sir_taco i know that
[00:13] <orys> and Kadu (a communicator) does not makes any sounds at all)
[00:13] <sirlinux> but i was thinkin if i hit that upgrade cmd will upgrade my kubuntu version to a new one ..
[00:13] <orys> but as for bios, I managed to find, it was in one submenu I missed last time.
[00:13] <orys> and it's now removed.
[00:13] <sirlinux> i told ya i'm kinda scared of this kubuntu :P
[00:13] <sirlinux> i'm old school guy heh
[00:14] <SIR_Taco> orys: my speaker test doesn't make any sound either.... with the 'bomb' icon in the middle I would like to think its a work in progress haha
[00:14] <orys> SIR_Taco: that might be something
[00:14] <orys> although I have people there, not bomb
[00:14] <James147> sirlinux: dist-upgrade will only upgrade packages... (well, and install new dependencies and remove old dependencies as well ^^) but wont upgrade you to the next version of kubuntu
[00:14] <orys> (IRC makes sounds, hurray)
[00:14] <SIR_Taco> sirlinux: no problem, I've been using linux for about 15 years now
[00:14] <markit> hi, kubuntu 11.04, kopete setup, my laptop webcam turns led on, but image still black. Any idea about how troubleshoot?
[00:15] <SIR_Taco> James147: he/she said they weren't upgrading to the next version
[00:15] <SIR_Taco> orys: excellent
[00:15] <orys> markit: +1, I got the same problem :D
[00:15] <SIR_Taco> orys: more problems?
[00:16] <sysop3> markit, try using xawtv to view it
[00:16] <orys> SIR_Taco: just discovered webcam one, but the more important one is that grub does not comes up
[00:16] <markit> orys: oh, mmm :( so probably a bug somewhere
[00:16] <orys> so I have no choice to boot windows.
[00:16] <sysop3> and it views it in thier you know its a kopte issue
[00:16] <orys> markit: except that I have this problem in skype, so I would search further than kopete ;-)
[00:17] <SIR_Taco> orys: 'sudo apt-get update grub' doesn't work?
[00:17] <SIR_Taco> argh
[00:17] <skierpage> dist-upgrade "Package Changes" lists 185 package changes, I want to save them. I can't copy the list and it doesn't seem to be in /var/log/dist-upgrade.
[00:17] <SIR_Taco> I mean "sudo update grub"
[00:17] <James147> SIR_Taco: i was trying to confirm that the command wouldnt do that :)
[00:17] <orys> SIR_Taco: I don't know, haven't tried it yet ;-)
[00:17] <SIR_Taco> James147: ok, fair enough :)
[00:18] <orys> SIR_Taco: well, no. orys@orys-dom:~$ sudo update grub
[00:18] <orys> [sudo] password for orys:
[00:18] <orys> sudo: update: command not found
[00:18] <James147> SIR_Taco: and sudo apt-get update <package> is an invalid command is it not?
[00:19] <James147> "sudo update-grub" ^^
[00:19] <SIR_Taco> well it was something like that haha
[00:19] <orys> now better :D
[00:19] <orys> Ok, I am rebooting to give you answer :-)
[00:20] <SIR_Taco> ok
[00:20] <SIR_Taco> good luck
[00:20] <markit> sysop3: seems that is a permission problem on /dev/video0 (I'm running it from console, and does not start)
[00:20] <yofel> skierpage: why do you want to save them? if you need the changes for a package you can always look them up
[00:21] <yofel> or do you mean the list of packages that will be upgraded? That should be logged to /var/log/apt/history.log after the upgrade
[00:21] <fayaz> hi, my akonadi isn't working ever since my dist-upgrade
[00:22] <orys> well
[00:22] <skierpage> yofel, I just like to make notes about package changes ; I'm always looking to reduce my installed packages.
[00:22] <orys> is it possible that new grub is really hi-res? :)
[00:22] <orys> because what I have after system screen
[00:23] <skierpage> yofel, thanks for the tip, I knew about /var/log/dpkg.log but not apt/history.log
[00:23] <orys> is my monitor telling me "input signal out of range" untill splash screen shows.
[00:23] <orys> up
[00:25] <markit> orys: I've seen that the device is of group "video", but the user does not belong to that group
[00:25] <markit> orys: I'm tryint to add it and test again
[00:25] <orys> markit: ah, keep me posted
[00:25] <orys> ( i found what was wrong with no sound in kadu, if anybody interested :P)
[00:25] <SIR_Taco> orys: could be, but it shouldn't (or atleast isn't supposed to) try a resolution outside of your monitor's range
[00:26] <orys> SIR_Taco: and what if it does?
[00:26] <SIR_Taco> orys: requires some manual grub file editing I suppose
[00:27] <orys> :(
[00:27] <orys> I am sick when I have to use vim ;-)
[00:27] <orys> :-)
[00:27] <SIR_Taco> orys: I use nano, because I'm lazy haha
[00:27] <orys> (luckily I don't have since I discovered how to use mc own editor :-) )
[00:28] <markit> orys: ehm, trying to find the right command to add an user to a secondary group, lol
[00:28] <SIR_Taco> orys:  you don't get the grub OS selection menu?
[00:28] <orys> no
[00:28] <orys> input signal out of range
[00:28] <SIR_Taco> markit: wrong problem
[00:28] <orys> just after that screen you go to bios from.
[00:28] <orys> SIR_Taco: he deals with webcam.
[00:29] <SIR_Taco> ok, sorry, falling behind in this conversation it seems haha
[00:30] <markit> orys: rebooting the laptop, let's cross our fingers :)
[00:30] <orys> fingers crossed ;-)
[00:30] <James147> markit: sudo usermod -a -G GROUP USER
[00:30] <James147> markit: make sure when useing that command you use -a (append) or you can drop yourself out of the admin group and lose sudo rights :)
[00:31] <markit> James147: thanks, is the syntax I've used, fortunatly
[00:32] <markit> orys: mmm kopete is even worse... now does not turn the cam led either
[00:33] <markit> s/turn/turn on
[00:33] <orys> eh
[00:33] <orys> markit: good luck
[00:33] <orys> I think I will take a break for now
[00:33] <orys> last time I was talking on skype using camera was about year ago
[00:33] <orys> I think I can survive without it :-)
[00:33] <orys> so only grub
[00:33] <orys> and some minor stuff to do
[00:34] <orys> like that when I turn on the system the desktop is loading my pics for slideshow too long :-)
[00:34] <orys> it was never the case ;-)
[00:34] <orys> but unless I will get fed up of this, I will propably ignore it :-)
[00:34] <SIR_Taco> still trying to figure out the grub issue orys
[00:34] <markit> xawtv now starts, but shows a black screen
[00:34] <shane4kubuntu> has anyone had any problems with k3b?  I tried to burn a DVD iso, and it failed, this has happened a few times lately.
[00:35] <orys> SIR_Taco: ah, that's nice :-)
[00:35] <orys> I take that match is boring? :)
[00:35] <orys> :-)
[00:35] <orys> SIR_Taco: there is just the moment when I know to give up
[00:35] <orys> that moment came when you said "it's about manual editing the file" ;-)
[00:35] <SIR_Taco> it just started a minute ago.... the last minutes are the most exciting anyway
[00:36] <SIR_Taco> orys: yes, but I'm very stubborn haha
[00:36] <orys> SIR_Taco: last time I was stubborn I had to reinstall system
[00:36] <orys> so I better stick to my old rule "don't touch as long as it's running, unless you have someone who knows what he's doing handy" ;-)
[00:36] <george_> Hello. I'm getting this message Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-george" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. What is wrong?
[00:37] <SIR_Taco> orys: ok fair enough
[00:38] <orys> SIR_Taco: so although I am very thankful for your help, it's the moment when I can only wait, and I won't blame you if you prefere your game :-)
[00:38] <SIR_Taco> orys:  you can install "kde-config-grub2", it might point you in the right direction
[00:38] <orys> hmmm
[00:38] <orys> let's seee.
[00:38] <SIR_Taco> orys: it's not so much the game, it's the beer :P
[00:39] <James147> markit: you need to logout and backin for group changes to take effect
[00:39] <orys> SIR_Taco: I have my beer and i am on the PC. I don't need any game to drink it ;-)
[00:39] <orys> (I already had two, which means I won't go to the supermarket now :P)
[00:39] <markit> James147: I've rebooted :)
[00:39]  * James147 was just making sure :)
[00:39] <SIR_Taco> orys: true... but it's a good excuse :)
[00:39] <markit> James147: in fact now does not tells about permission problems
[00:40] <orys> btw: this tool to configure ntfs discs does not working at all.
[00:40] <markit> James147: yes, thanks , is a common error
[00:40] <shane4kubuntu> has anyone had any problems with k3b burning disks?  I burn a DVD iso that is only 2GB and k3b reports an error, and it didn't finish, looking at the output log, it says everything is fine??
[00:41] <SIR_Taco> orys: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1280943 that's a possibility
[00:42] <SIR_Taco> shane4kubuntu: what's the error?
[00:43] <shane4kubuntu> SIR_Taco: it just says it didn't burn (I think) but then I check the output log, and it shows burning and buffer size for the full 2GB?  very odd.
[00:43] <orys> SIR_Taco: first try this what I clicked in the settings and then I will try yours.
[00:43] <orys> brb
[00:43] <shane4kubuntu> and when I put the disk in the drive, afterwards, it shows all the info as if the disk burned completely.
[00:44] <SIR_Taco> shane4kubuntu: so the disk burns successfully?
[00:45] <shane4kubuntu> SIR_Taco: well, I'm checking md5sum's now to confirm that, but seems to have.
[00:46] <SIR_Taco> shane4kubuntu: are you burning images or files? have you set the disc to close, or and open session?
[00:46] <SIR_Taco> I mean disk image, not photos
[00:47] <shane4kubuntu> SIR_Taco: image, I actually just accidentally clicked on it in dolphin and it popped up to burn the iso, so I did it that way, I believe the disk is set to closed.
[00:47] <SIR_Taco> shane4kubuntu: with an image it should be
[00:47] <SIR_Taco> orys: success?
[00:48] <shane4kubuntu> SIR_Taco: I usually burn all mine to closed.
[00:48] <SIR_Taco> shane4kubuntu: as you should unless you're using it like a floppy
[00:48] <orys> SIR_Taco: well, not.
[00:48] <orys> But I just discovered that this is only resolution problem
[00:48] <orys> I have invisible grub
[00:48] <orys> I pressed arrow and enter
[00:48] <orys> and I was in Windows :D
[00:49] <shane4kubuntu> SIR_Taco: ohhh, I think I figured it out!, I had copies set to 3, that is why it is telling me it failed, I only burned one copy.
[00:49] <orys> (that actually might be a good option to have secret Windows, especially that it's a student's copy and I am no longer a student, haha :P)
[00:49] <SIR_Taco> orys: what kind of a monitor do you have?
[00:49] <orys> hp1502 (I am smart, it's written on it!)
[00:49] <SIR_Taco> shane4kubuntu: sometimes the simple answer is the real answer :)
[00:50] <shane4kubuntu> SIR_Taco: those are the ones I usually overlook too, thanks though!
[00:50] <SIR_Taco> shane4kubuntu: no problem
[00:51] <SIR_Taco> orys: ok... don't know of any problem with them and their EDID (long story... my monitor forgets what it's supposed to do quite often)
[00:52] <shane4kubuntu> Ok, tried md5sum /dev/cdrom twice and it gives "Input/output error"  trying it now with sudo, any thoughts, or other ways to check md5sum of the disk?
[00:52] <orys> SIR_Taco: actually as long as I can get into windows, I don't care ;-)
[00:52] <orys> so all my major problems are solved
[00:52] <orys> mostly thanks to you, guys.
[00:53] <SIR_Taco> well thats good then
[00:53] <orys> but wait, there is some actuallisation just popped out
[00:53] <orys> there is still a good chance that everything will go f*cked up again :D
[00:53] <shane4kubuntu> ok, sudo gives me same error, any other methods?
[00:53] <SIR_Taco> with machines thats a very good chance
[00:54] <markit> mmm v4l2ucp shows a green preview screen... uvcvideo or the kernel must have some troubles
[00:54] <orys> SIR_Taco: this is because they make it more and more complicated
[00:54] <orys> this developers have nothing to do obviously
[00:54] <orys> they should do a system once
[00:54] <orys> and then leave it alone :-)
[00:54] <orys> ah
[00:55] <orys> my laundry! It's time to take it out.
[00:55] <claydoh> shane4kubuntu: you don't md5sum the drive, you md5sum the iso image file
[00:55] <orys> Back to the analog world, I am affraid.
[00:55] <orys> so thank you all, especially SIR_Taco, James147 and wols_ ;-)
[00:55] <SIR_Taco> orys: not a problem
[00:56] <shane4kubuntu> claydoh: actually I did md5sum the iso, and then you check the disk to assure that is fine.
[00:56] <SIR_Taco> now off to the hockey game.... and beer :)
[00:56] <shane4kubuntu> claydoh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[00:58] <claydoh> shane4kubuntu: sorry, never noted that section before.
[00:58] <shane4kubuntu> no prob claydoh, I just want to make sure my disk was burnt correctly.
[00:58] <orys> hey, guys, I connected my shell to asimov.freenode.net, but I can't see you on the channel, what I do wrong? ( I use irssi and I am already logged to IRCnet)
[00:59] <claydoh>  shane4kubuntu you can check it from its boot menu as well
[00:59] <shane4kubuntu> claydoh: actually this is a different disk, I thought k3b was giving me trouble, I will just assume it is good.
[01:00] <claydoh> still, boot it and check it from the boot menu
[01:00] <claydoh> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/CDIntegrityCheck
[01:07] <fayaz> hi, my akonadi has stopped working after my dist-upgrade
[01:08] <fayaz> i tried looking for a fix and found a similar case, but no solution was given...
[01:08] <fayaz> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=93374
[01:10] <sysop3> markit, did you figure it out?
[01:11] <fayaz> this is my akonadi error output http://pastebin.com/Jx017qAb
[01:11] <fayaz> same as that given in the forum...
[01:12] <fayaz> i think the error originates from line 9
[01:12] <fayaz> but how do i fix it??
[01:14] <orys> ok guys
[01:14] <orys> that's all from me (for now) ;-)
[01:14] <orys> thanks again and see you later ;-)
[01:14] <markit> sysop3: no :(
[01:15] <markit> sysop3: any further idea/suggestions? I've seen 2.6.39-x is not in any ppa
[01:15] <markit> but not sure is a kernel module error
[01:16] <markit> sysop3: I could try to boot from the live cd and see if works with it
[01:33]  * fayaz found a fix myself http://brahmalok.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/akonadi-error-solved/
[01:44] <markit> sysop3: tried with a Ubuntu 11.04 cd I had here, and wecam does not work either ("cheese" program)
[02:03] <dereck> k78
[02:19] <the_hoser> Hello, I just upgraded Kubuntu to 11.04, and I screwed up (nvidia drivers and pae kernel...), the instructions in the changelog say to select recovery mode, but my bootloader doesn't even give me a menu.  It boots straight into a blue screen with garbled lines running across the top and bottom.  any suggestions?
[02:25] <keithzg> I'd recommend booting with a Live CD, and then with the live cd editing the grub setup so that it doesn't automatically boot
[02:26]  * keithzg has always hated this trend to hide "ugly" menus like GRUB from the users...sure, it makes booting look nicer, but when things inevitably go wrong it more than makes up for that in ugliness)
[02:36] <chris_> Hay Guys
[02:37] <Guest9636> Hay i was just wondring if some one could help me with finding my mp3 player on kubuntu
[02:38] <Guest9636> is anyone here
[02:43] <chris_____> any one speak on here??
[02:44] <Daskreech> yes
[02:46] <chris_____> I need help i cant find where my mp3 player is on this computer it is pluged it but nothink comes up what should i do?
[02:47] <fayaz> chris_____: try dmesg|tail
[02:47] <chris_____> whats that
[02:47] <fayaz> and see if it say anything about your device...
[02:47] <chris_____> how do i do that
[02:48] <fayaz> open a terminal...
[02:48] <the_hoser> wee, that was fun.  nouveau driver screwed booting up big time :-D
[02:48] <chris_____> done that
[02:48] <fayaz> connect your mp3 player once more... just to be sure...
[02:48] <fayaz> then run "dmesg|tail" in the terminal
[02:49] <chris_____> ok
[02:49] <fayaz> it will give 10 lines of output...
[02:50] <chris_____> [   51.572547] lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions
[02:50] <Daskreech> chris_____: What mp3 player is it?
[02:50] <chris_____> on all of them
[02:50] <chris_____> some cheap thing off ebay but it worked with windows it dont have anythink u need to install u just put the music into the music folder and it works
[02:50] <fayaz> chris_____: does the mp3 player detect it's connected?
[02:51] <chris_____> it just comes up that it is chargeing
[02:51] <fayaz> does it light up or anything?
[02:51] <fayaz> okay...
[02:51] <fayaz> okay...
[02:51] <chris_____> unless there is a program like itunes where i can put my music of my ipod nano
[02:52] <chris_____> on*
[02:52] <fayaz> pastebin your complete dmesg output...
[02:52] <fayaz> *pastebin* it!!
[02:52] <chris_____> [   15.688027] HDMI: available speakers: FL/FR
[02:52] <chris_____> [   15.688033] HDMI: supports coding type LPCM: channels = 2, rates = 44100 48000 88200, bits = 16
[02:52] <chris_____> [   23.752019] eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[02:52] <chris_____> [   30.659625] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro,commit=0
[02:52] <chris_____> [   45.049537] hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj.
[02:52] <FloodBotK1> chris_____: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:52] <chris_____> [   51.572547] lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions
[02:54] <chris_____> http://paste.ubuntu.com/601552/
[02:54] <fayaz> send the output of only "dmesg"
[02:54] <fayaz> without the |tail
[02:55] <chris_____> sorry i press somethink
[02:55] <fayaz> ?
[02:55] <chris_____> do u want me to repaste bin what it says now yh
[02:55] <kyle__> heres a question,   when i boot up kubuntu my font size is huge, much to big to even fit in the text boxes, i forced 96 dpi once in kubuntu which fixed it, but the log on screen is still huge. any ideas?
[02:56] <fayaz> chris_____: no... what you sent me is the last lines of dmesg...
[02:56] <fayaz> i'd like to see the full output... run "dmesg"
[02:57] <chris_____> http://paste.ubuntu.com/601557/
[02:59] <fayaz> chris_____: can you send me "fdisk -l" too?
[02:59] <kyle__> anyone?
[02:59] <chris_____> nothink comes up
[03:00] <fayaz> "fdisk -l /dev/sda"
[03:00] <chris_____> Cannot open /dev/sda
[03:00] <god3> hi I just want to give kubuntu a try.
[03:01] <fayaz> kyle__: tried tweaking fonts from system settings?
[03:01] <fayaz> god3: go ahead... :)
[03:01] <god3> I also when to connect to the internet, while installing 11.04
[03:01] <kyle__> yes, thats how i got kubuntu looking normal. its just the log on screen that is still huge
[03:02] <god3> How do I connect to the Internet using wifi?
[03:02] <fayaz> kyle__: no idea... :(
[03:03] <fayaz> chris_____: try "sudo fdisk -l"
[03:03] <fayaz> god3: is your wifi hardware properly detected?
[03:03] <god3> I click on the system tray,and find a wifi which I might be able to.  But don't know how to enable it
[03:04] <god3> fayaz: No, the hardware is ok.  but don't know how to invoke it, to start to connect.
[03:05] <fayaz> god3: you need help configuring it? that would depend on your network...
[03:05] <god3> fayaz: It's configure I think, is just it say 'not connected'
[03:06] <god3> fayaz: I even type in the username and password for that connection.
[03:06] <fayaz> god3: just clicking it should connect you...
[03:07] <god3> fayaz: I click on it, I did. It's seems nothing happen.
[03:07] <god3> fayaz: I could only edit it. but not start it!
[03:08] <fayaz> does it say it's trying to connect?
[03:08] <god3> fayaz: no. nothing happen when I click on it.
[03:08] <fayaz> try clicking on the available networks...
[03:08] <fayaz> screenshot?
[03:10] <god3> fayaz: I'll try that, on another avaiable connection or networks, and try to get a screenshot if I can.  But I need to logout from here first and reboot the CD again.
[03:10] <fayaz> oh...
[03:10] <fayaz> okay
[03:11] <god3> fayaz: I wonder if there is a command line to start the wifi connect?
[03:11] <fayaz> god3: there are... but i'm not well versed in those...
[03:12] <fayaz> iwconfig and wicd are two of those...
[03:12] <fayaz> try looking for their manuals?
[03:14] <god3> fayaz: it can scan all the avaiable wifi, but i just don't know how to start the connection.
[03:15] <fayaz> god3: are you using the system tray thingy? or something else?
[03:15] <god3> the system stray thing
[03:16] <god3> so I suppost to just click on the avaible connection right fayaz?
[03:18] <fayaz> god3: yeah... that's how it usually connects... when you click it, it'll show the loading icon and all...
[03:23] <kyle__> anyone know why my fonts are huge on the log on screen,  like to big to fit in text boxes?  ive forced dpi to 96 to make it workable in kubuntu itself, but the log on screen is still huge. any ideas?
[03:26] <fayaz> kyle__: go to system settings -> login screen :)
[03:27] <kyle__> tried that
[03:27] <kyle__> doesnt work
[03:28] <fayaz> kyle__: oh :(
[03:28] <kyle__> i had to set all font sized to 4 just to make them small enough to deal with
[03:28] <kyle__> but the menu fonts are still huge
[03:28] <kyle__> like under the shut down menu
[03:28] <kyle__> it only does it on this monitor which is running 1920x1080
[03:28] <kyle__> and gnome has never had this problem.  only kde
[03:29] <kyle__> is there like a general dpi setting which is loaded on boot, before my proced dpi is loaded after login somewhere?
[03:29] <kyle__> *forced
[03:30] <fayaz> kyle__: yes... /etc/X11
[03:30] <kyle__> hmm
[03:30] <kyle__> maybe ill poke around in there and see what happens
[03:31] <fayaz> kyle__: poke carefully :)
[03:31] <kyle__> but if that were the case would it not also affect gnome?
[03:31] <kyle__> because gnomes font sizes are fine
[03:31] <kyle__> even the gdm font sizes
[03:32] <fayaz> kyle__: yeah... unless gnome has its own settings or something...
[03:32] <kyle__> but kdm's are huge
[03:32] <kyle__> hmm ok
[03:32] <fayaz> just a theory
[03:33] <fayaz> kyle__: you can simply use gdm... if its working properly for you...
[03:33] <fayaz> :-/
[03:34] <kyle__> well the thing is normally i would
[03:34] <kyle__> but i always use kde, so when i went to 11.04 i went straight kubuntu
[03:35] <kyle__> in 10.10 i installed ubuntu then kde
[03:35] <kyle__> so is there a way to get gdm on this kubuntu machine now?
[03:35] <kyle__> without installing gnome?
[03:36] <fayaz> before that, just try a different login theme... otherwise, i think you can install gdm separately... without too much gnome...
[03:36] <shane4kubuntu> kyle__: you should be able to just install gdm, then sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[03:37] <shane4kubuntu> the dpkg will let you choose between kdm and gdm, what is the prob?
[03:37] <kyle__> so sudo apt-get install gdm  then sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm???
[03:37] <kyle__> my problem is the fonts in kdm are super huge
[03:37] <kyle__> ive tried tweaking them everywhere and it makes no difference
[03:38] <kyle__> but its only kdm
[03:38] <kyle__> gdm when i had it installed worked just fine
[03:38] <shane4kubuntu> kyle__: hmm, that is odd, do you have nvidia, or ati?
[03:38] <shane4kubuntu> I have nvidia, and without the other drivers installed, everything was very very large on my desktop
[03:39] <kyle__> yeah im nvidia
[03:39] <kyle__> but it only happens on this screen
[03:39] <kyle__> which is 40"
[03:39] <kyle__> 1920x1080
[03:39] <shane4kubuntu> kyle__: did you install the nvidia drivers? I think they are extra drivers or something
[03:39] <kyle__> the "restricted" ones?
[03:40] <kyle__> hmm
[03:40] <shane4kubuntu> yep them ones.
[03:40] <kyle__> i checked and the driver from nvidia says it is installed but not currently in use
[03:41] <shane4kubuntu> ahh, set that up to be in use, and see if that helps first, you will have to reboot to have them enabled, I bet that will fix the prob.
[03:41] <kyle__> sorry , "activated but not currently in use"
[03:41] <kyle__> how would i do that
[03:41] <shane4kubuntu> kyle__: if that doesn't fix it, then a bug report needs to be filed.
[03:42] <kyle__> im not sure how to make it "in use" lol
[03:42] <shane4kubuntu> Kmenu -> Applications -> System -> Additional Drivers
[03:42] <kyle__> im there
[03:42] <kyle__> only gives me the option to remove it
[03:42] <shane4kubuntu> I have two choices, on mine, in the top white part
[03:42] <kyle__> i only have 1
[03:43] <shane4kubuntu> click on that, to select it, and the button at the bottom says activate, with the green light, I just clicked on mine, and it wouldn't let me,
[03:43] <shane4kubuntu> says something about my xorg.conf not being right or something
[03:44] <kyle__> yeah the only options i get is remove and close
[03:44] <shane4kubuntu> but I overwrote my xorg.conf because I have dual screens and didn't realize it was messed up, that is odd
[03:44] <kyle__> should i maybe try removing then reinstalling it?
[03:45] <shane4kubuntu> kyle__: that is about the extent of my knowledge of that thing, that is all I ever do, I bet when I reboot, I will have a messed up system, because I overwrote my xorg.conf with the dual screen setup. :(
[03:45] <kyle__> wow that sucks
[03:45] <kyle__> hope it doesnt
[03:46] <shane4kubuntu> well, I can work around it and get it straightened out, my fault for overwritting without backing up that file.
[03:46] <kyle__> well thanks for your help
[03:46] <kyle__> ill try reinstalling it and see what happens
[03:47] <shane4kubuntu> Yeah, I would look into getting that driver installed and activated, that is going to be the key.
[03:48] <kyle__> k im gonna go check it out,  thanks again
[03:48] <shane4kubuntu> no prob, wish I had more info for you.
[03:49] <god3> fayaz: I can connect from Kubuntu 11.04 using wireless now, thanks.
[03:54] <god3> I am installing 11.04 at I irc!
[03:55] <kyle__> ok so any ideas why my nvidia driver says its activated but not in use?
[03:56] <god3> which type of file system should I choose?  There are so many!
[03:57] <shane4kubuntu> god3: stick with either ext3 or ext4
[03:58] <wangdawei> ?
[03:58] <shane4kubuntu> they are both stable, and well used, ext4  I don't think file recovery is available
[03:58] <shane4kubuntu> ext3 and 4 are both the 'standard' for ubuntu, I think they moved everything up to 4
[03:58] <god3> should I use swap, I have 3G main memory
[03:59] <god3> How big of swap should I use for 3G memory?
[03:59] <shane4kubuntu> I don't understand it, but yes, they still recommend using swap, you can spare 1-2GB or even 3 is what is recommend for that, perhaps old school, same as ram amount
[04:00] <kyle__> lol mine is 60g lol
[04:00] <kyle__> and i got 8 g ram
[04:00] <kyle__> but i just used an old 60g hd for it
[04:01] <shane4kubuntu> kyle__: your swap is 60GB?  :) lol
[04:01] <god3> kyle__: what! you use 60G for swap?
[04:01] <kyle__> yeah
[04:01] <kyle__> i just used the whole drive
[04:01] <kyle__> i didnt know what to set it to
[04:01] <yofel> well, usually you don't need more than 1G swap with 3G RAM, unless you like having dozens of apps open at the same time
[04:01] <kyle__> so i figured the more the better?  i dunno i could totally be wrong
[04:02] <kyle__> im still pretty new to linux
[04:02] <yofel> only for hibernate you need as much swap as you have used memory
[04:02] <shane4kubuntu> yofel: was the old school method double the amount of ram?
[04:02] <kyle__> but i also have 4 tb of hd space so conserving space wasnt an issue for me
[04:02] <shane4kubuntu> that was probably when ram never toped more than 512mb
[04:02] <yofel> that was the old school one yes, but only makes sense for <=1G
[04:03] <shane4kubuntu> I always set mine about 2 or 3 gb, because I never really knew how much to set it to, and wasn't going to double my 4gb ram.
[04:05] <god3> I duo boot Windows, Mac, now installing Kubuntu, so for not touching the orginal boot loader(dev/sda), I guess I should install the boot loader in dev/sda5, correct?
[04:05] <shane4kubuntu> god3: just as a personal note, put /home on a separate partition, than /  that really helps when going to do a re-install
[04:05] <shane4kubuntu> god3: hmm, only if you know how to configure the bootloader on sda to get it to load sda5
[04:06] <kyle__> yeah i jsut have grub replace my windows loader
[04:06] <kyle__> works fine
[04:06] <god3> shane4kubuntu: or I could choose the boot patition when I boot the system.
[04:06] <shane4kubuntu> my concern is the Mac part, I'm not sure how that works, I know Linux picks up Windows ok.
[04:07] <shane4kubuntu> god3: true, I've never messed with that though.
[04:07] <kyle__> most people dont believe me when i say i have xp 32 and 64  as well as win 7 and ubuntu and kubuntu  and they all work off grub just fine
[04:07] <cjae> So theres pop up notes but what are the other similiar applets called?
[04:09] <kyle__> hmm is there a command to see what video driver i am currently running?
[04:10] <yofel> you can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what X uses currently
[04:12] <Taggnostr> I uninstalled compiz after the update because I was having some problem (e.g. no borders around the windows) and now the pc stop loading just before the KDE icon appears in the login screen with the 5 icons
[04:12] <kyle__> so would  this be the driver that is working??   NVIDIA GLX Module  270.41.06
[04:13] <yofel> that's the nvidia driver in natty right
[04:13] <kyle__> no idea
[04:13] <god3> I also create /home partition, how big should it be ? I get 70G for Linux.
[04:13] <Taggnostr> during the installation the updater also crashed but even if there was the bug report window open it continued till the end (it did the cleanup and restart, but it might have interrupted the installation)
[04:13] <Taggnostr> is there a way to restore/reinstall kde?
[04:13] <kyle__> im just trying to figure out if an nvidia driver is working  since the restricted driver  in "additional drivers" says it is activated but not in use
[04:14] <Taggnostr> (or the whole kubuntu)
[04:14] <kyle__> Taggnostr: i tried updating 10.10 and it failed as well, i had to download the cd and reinstall the whole thing
[04:15] <kyle__> that was the only way i could get 11.04 to work. and the installer was quite buggy for me
[04:15] <Taggnostr> kyle__, do I have to format it or can I just reinstall it over the one I have now?
[04:15] <kyle__> im not sure
[04:15] <Taggnostr> I guess you formatted then?
[04:15] <kyle__> im afriad im no expert by any means,  im still new to linux myself
[04:15] <kyle__> no i actually had a few hundred gigs of free space
[04:16] <kyle__> so i just installed it there
[04:16] <Taggnostr> do you still have the "broken" installation?
[04:16] <kyle__> yes but it does boot and work still
[04:16] <shane4kubuntu> Taggnostr: it is best to format for a clean install, you can reboot, and see if it boots, if not, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:17] <god3> install process:  copying file ...
[04:18] <Taggnostr> shane4kubuntu, I'm trying the options that I get on the login screen (the one with the password) to see if there's something that works
[04:18] <kyle__> hmmm
[04:18] <kyle__> i think i found my dpi font problem
[04:18] <god3> I hear there is Unity for Ubuntu, how about Kunity, or it not the right question?
[04:19] <kyle__> it says in xorg.o.log   that it defaulted to dpi of 304 based on my monitors edid
[04:19] <kyle__> so how could i change that?
[04:19] <shane4kubuntu> god3: I believe that Unity can be run on Kubuntu, but honestly I ran from Unity. :)
[04:20] <shane4kubuntu> kyle__: let me see if that is set in xorg.conf
[04:20] <yofel> god3: take that to the KDE folks, kubuntu tries to stick to KDE as much as possible and makes sense
[04:20] <kyle__> DPI set to (304, 304); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config
[04:20] <kyle__> NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1920 x 1080
[04:20] <kyle__> i think thats teh problem
[04:21] <shane4kubuntu> kyle__: I don't really see that in mine, but that doesn't mean it can't be set there.
[04:21] <kyle__> hmm
[04:22] <god3> I just want to give Unity a try, so after I install Kubuntu, how do I install Ubuntu so that I could pick it when I logout.
[04:22] <kyle__> shane4kubuntu: ok, well is there a way to force a dpi in xorg?
[04:23] <kyle__> because all this stuff is from auto setttings
[04:23] <kyle__> NVIDIA(0):     "nvidia-auto-select"
[04:23] <kyle__> NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (304, 304); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config
[04:23] <shane4kubuntu> kyle__: I'm not sure, I have always disliked messing with xorg.conf files.
[04:23] <god3> installation process configuring locales 8%
[04:23] <kyle__> ok well im gonna google and see what i come up with
[04:24] <shane4kubuntu> cjae: these aren't pop up, but Basket is a nice note app
[04:24] <kyle__> LOL seems im not the only one with this problem
[04:24] <kyle__> according to google
[04:26] <Taggnostr> so with the 'default' mode it stops while loading the kde icon, with 'KDE Plasma workspace' same thing, with 'Failsafe' it starts loading and get back to the password screen
[04:26] <Taggnostr> is there a way I can get to a terminal? I'm now stuck at the password screen
[04:27] <kyle__> start console session?
[04:27] <Taggnostr> yep, just found
[04:27] <shane4kubuntu> Taggnostr: ctrl-alt-f3   or f1 or f2 or f4 or f5 or f1-7  usually f7 or 8 brings you back to the desktop
[04:28] <god3> shane4kubuntu: alt-f7 get back to desktop, or alt-f8
[04:28] <shane4kubuntu> Taggnostr: if your upgrade was messed up, probably run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade first
[04:29] <shane4kubuntu> god3: yes, one of the two, it always was f7, but lately on my box, it is f8  the is, "ctrl-alt-f8"
[04:29] <Taggnostr> I tried that already (from the gui) when it restarted and said there were no updates (well, except tuxguitar)
[04:29] <shane4kubuntu> Taggnostr: then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:30] <Taggnostr> I tried that and said 0 upgrade, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[04:30] <shane4kubuntu> ok, I would sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to make sure all was installed correctly
[04:31] <SIR_Taco> wow, I'm completely lost now haha
[04:31] <shane4kubuntu> Taggnostr: did you have kubuntu before, or did you switch from gnome?
[04:31] <Taggnostr> kubuntu
[04:32] <shane4kubuntu> ok, ooh, thought of another, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:32] <kyle__> thats wierd,  my xorg.conf is only like 4 lines long??
[04:32] <Taggnostr> always 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed
[04:33] <Taggnostr> maybe I should try to add compiz back?
[04:33] <shane4kubuntu> Taggnostr: how about install kubuntu-desktop?
[04:33] <SIR_Taco>  kyle__ that's normal, it auto-detects most of it
[04:33] <kyle__> ok
[04:33] <Taggnostr> shane4kubuntu, that too
[04:33] <shane4kubuntu> Taggnostr: oooh, how about install -f
[04:33] <shane4kubuntu> that should fix any broken packages,
[04:33] <c2tarun> anyone here ever used google SDK for desktop gadgets?
[04:33] <Taggnostr> same
[04:33] <shane4kubuntu> Taggnostr: also sudo apt-get check
[04:33] <shane4kubuntu> that should check to make sure all the packages are there.
[04:34] <Taggnostr> check didn't complain about anything
[04:34] <god3> rekonq is very fast!
[04:34] <shane4kubuntu> Taggnostr: hmm, not sure, sorry, I'm off.
[04:34] <Taggnostr> I tried too install compiz back
[04:35] <shane4kubuntu> night all.
[04:35] <Taggnostr> shane4kubuntu, thanks for the tips
[04:35] <Taggnostr> night
[04:35] <SIR_Taco> night shane4kubuntu
[04:35] <skierpage> My Natty Narwhal upgrade failed! "The upgrade has aborted. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a)."
[04:35] <SIR_Taco> seems I came back at a fun time?
[04:35] <c2tarun> skierpage: how did you start the upgrade?
[04:36] <skierpage> The last error reported was '"Could not install nspluginwrapper" subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 139'
[04:36] <skierpage> c2tarun, Software Updates > click Upgrade to natty 11.04.
[04:37] <c2tarun> skierpage: and what release are you using now?
[04:37] <skierpage> c2tarun, Maverick 10.10.
[04:37] <skierpage> I've installed nightly Firefox and SeaMonkey betas and Flash players myself, so I'm not worried about this problem, so should I reboot and see what happens, or try to fix nspluginwrapper first, or ??
[04:37] <c2tarun> skierpage: it should have worked :/ you considered for a fresh installation?
[04:38] <c2tarun> skierpage: well thats your call. did you had your system backed up before starting upgrade?
[04:39] <skierpage> I've managed to upgrade Karmic - Lucid - Maverick without problems.  No backup, home is on a separate backed-up partition.
[04:39] <c2tarun> skierpage: hmm.... hang around, may be someone have a better suggestion.
[04:41] <skierpage> Thanks.  Like I said, I don't care about the reported flashplugin failure, so I just need the "update fu" to push ahead anyway.
[04:42] <SIR_Taco> what's the problem skierpage? just got back
[04:43] <skierpage> SIR_Taco, my Software Update from 10.10 to 11.04 failed.  The last error reported was '"Could not install nspluginwrapper" subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 139'
[04:44] <skierpage> I run nightly Firefox and SeaMonkey betas and install Flashplayer myself, so I don't care about this failure.  So how do I tell it to push ahead anyway?
[04:44] <skierpage> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --force --continue --no-worries ?!
[04:45] <skierpage> Hmm, I dismissed the "Could not install the upgrades" alert and now it says "The upgrade has completed but there were errors during the upgrade process."
[04:45] <skierpage> So maybe I should just reboot and see what I get :-)
[04:46] <kyle__> lol ok so that didnt go so well
[04:46] <kyle__> good thing i have my old linux install so i could fix my xorg.conf
[04:47] <SIR_Taco> skierpage: if it chokes on flashplayer, I would temporalily remove it, update, then re-install it
[04:49] <skierpage> SIR_Taco thanks!  OK, trying `sudo aptitude remove flashplugin-installer`
[04:50] <Paytam> today I update my laptop os(Laptop model: HP Pavilon dv6-2190us and previous os version kubuntu 10.10),but since then I have encounter several problems. I don't know what happen and why. That's all appear since update
[04:50] <Paytam> 1)the color of my wireless LED is red which indicate that it is off, but it is on.
[04:50] <Paytam> 2)Several of times I forced to restart the system, because it hangs and the LED of caps lock start blinking.
[04:50] <Paytam> 3)I think when the installation process finished, a dialog appears and shows "exit code 1" what does it means
[04:50] <skierpage> Hmm, got "The following packages will be removed", listing 37 internal packages with {u} after them.
[04:51] <skierpage> I've seen that damn confusing {u} stuff before, it was a bitch figuring out what it meant and I've forgotten.
[04:51] <god3> I just installed Kubuntu!
[04:51] <Taggnostr> is there a way to reinstall the plasma workspace and/or kde?
[04:52] <skierpage> Can't google for '{u}' :-(
[04:52] <SIR_Taco> skierpage: if you do: 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' does it show any different
[04:52] <Paytam> the Kpackage show me that a newer version is available and I clicked it and it start downloading and installing it
[04:54] <SIR_Taco> Everyone please realise that it's hockey playoffs in Canada.... please excuse me :)
[04:54] <skierpage> SIR_Taco, "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 2 not fully installed or removed."  It complained about nspluginwrapper is not configured yet, problems with flashplugin-installer.
[04:55] <SIR_Taco> skierpage: ok try : 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[04:55] <skierpage> Blame Canada!  Blame Canada!  With all that hockey hullabaloo and that bitch Anne Murray too!  It's not even a real country anyway.
[04:55] <SIR_Taco> haha
[04:58] <Paytam> this is the result of executing "sudo  dpkg --configure -a"
[04:58] <Paytam> Setting up nspluginwrapper (1.2.2-0ubuntu9) ...
[04:58] <Paytam> plugin dirs: :/var/lib/flashplugin-installer/
[04:58] <Paytam> Auto-update plugins from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[04:58] <Paytam> Looking for plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[04:58] <Paytam> Segmentation fault
[04:58] <FloodBotK1> Paytam: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:58] <skierpage> Whoa, "Setting up nspluginwrapper (1.2.2-0ubuntu9 ... Segmentation fault.".
[04:58] <skierpage> Hey Paytam, that's the same error I'm getting.
[04:58] <god3> In my Dolphin, the linux hard drive is label as 78 GiB Hard Drive, how do I rename it to Kubuntu?
[04:58] <SIR_Taco> who the heck an I helping? haha
[04:59] <SIR_Taco> so you're both stuck there?
[04:59] <SIR_Taco> what if you install it manually?
[05:00] <skierpage> god3, perhaps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=423245 helps.
[05:03] <Paytam> is there any one else who have the same problem as me?
[05:04] <god3> skierpage: thanks.
[05:04] <kyle__> well that was an easy fix that took forever ot figure out
[05:04] <SIR_Taco> Paytam: seems that skierpage has the same problem
[05:05] <skierpage> Paytam, not your LED and wireless problems after reboot, but I have the same nspluginwrapper failure.
[05:05] <Paytam> I try to execute the "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and it start to download firefox
[05:05] <Taggnostr> I tried to remove/reinstall a few things but it still get stuck just before loading the kde icon in the screen with the 5 icons at the beginning
[05:06] <SIR_Taco>  Paytam and it doesnt finish?
[05:07] <Paytam> I don't want to use firefox,so I cancel the process,You mean I should let it execute completely?
[05:07] <Taggnostr> anything else I can try?
[05:07] <SIR_Taco> Taggnostr: that made absoluntely no sense to me
[05:07] <Taggnostr> SIR_Taco, what exactly?
[05:08] <Taggnostr> you know the screen that appears after the login, with 4 icons and a bigger kde icon? it just loads the first 4 icons and then gets stuck there
[05:08] <skierpage> SIR_Taco, dunno how to install manually.  I think dpkg is running /var/lib/dpkg/info/nspluginwrapper.postinst which runs nspluginwrapper -a -v -u.  Is there a way to get dpkg to run in verbose mode?
[05:08] <SIR_Taco> Taggnostr: ok...I get you... can you do CTRL-ALT-F1 ?
[05:09] <Taggnostr> yes
[05:09] <skierpage> Paytam, then try removing the firefox package, but I'm not sure how.
[05:09] <Taggnostr> it asks me to login from the terminal
[05:10] <Taggnostr> SIR_Taco, and I can login fine from there
[05:10] <SIR_Taco> Taggnostr: try pasting your last bit of dmesg to paste.ubuntu.com
[05:12] <Paytam> I removed the firefox and again run the dist-updgrade command, this is the result
[05:12] <Paytam> Setting up nspluginwrapper (1.2.2-0ubuntu9) ...
[05:12] <Paytam> plugin dirs: :/var/lib/flashplugin-installer/
[05:12] <Paytam> Auto-update plugins from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[05:12] <Paytam> Looking for plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[05:12] <Paytam> Segmentation fault
[05:12] <FloodBotK1> Paytam: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:12] <wols> Paytam: you were told to stop that before
[05:13] <wols> Paytam: read what the bot tells you
[05:13] <wols> what do you need nspluginwrapper for?
[05:13] <SIR_Taco> Paytam: remove flashplugin, and try again
[05:15] <skierpage> I retried `sudo aptitude remove flashplugin-installer` and this time it quietly removed flashplugin-installer and nspluginwrapper, so I think I'm good to reboot and see.
[05:15] <SIR_Taco> skierpage: you should be good to go
[05:16] <skierpage> I tried to strace to see what was causing Paytam and my "Segmentation fault", but couldn't see it.  And no core dump anywhere.  Hmmmm.
[05:16] <Paytam> while I try to remove flashp plugin I encounter this problem
[05:16] <Paytam> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 139
[05:17] <SIR_Taco> skierpage: with a proprietary driver, you wont find much
[05:17] <Taggnostr> SIR_Taco, the last bit of dmesg just mention something about the network, but everything seems ok (it just says "link is not ready" and then "link becomes ready")
[05:18] <SIR_Taco> Paytam: have you tried ' sudo dpkg --configure -a'?
[05:18] <wols> the error is most probably in your X logs or the kde logs, not kernel logs
[05:19] <Daskreech> Wow
[05:19] <Daskreech> people are talking
[05:19] <wols> Paytam: what is the first error you get when trying to remove the flashplugin?
[05:19] <Taggnostr> SIR_Taco, I see no erro in the last 50 lines of dmesg
[05:20] <skierpage> Got it: in dmesg, "nspluginwrapper[21494]: segfault at 8 ip 00007fc511ae7378 sp 00007fff8593cd68 error 4 in libnpgoogletalk64.so[7fc511ab8000+5d000]"
[05:20] <SIR_Taco> Taggnostr: my head is working.... but it's a little soggy with beer at the moment (hockey playoffs)
[05:21] <Paytam> I removed successfully flash plugin,and issue dpkg --configure,but this time this error shows:  dpkg: error processing nspluginwrapper (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 139
[05:21] <skierpage> My guess is nspluginwrapper is incompatible with this proprietary googletalk plug-in (which I never use anyway).
[05:22] <SIR_Taco> skierpage: possible.... but should install anyway
[05:22] <skierpage> Paytam, the command that worked for me was "sudo aptitude remove flashplugin-installer".  I get confused between dpkg, aptitude, etc.
[05:22] <Paytam> what is nspluginviewrapper? I use empathy as my instant messaging
[05:22] <wols> Paytam: there is an error BEFORE that
[05:23] <wols> Paytam: it's crap software that allows a 32bit plugin (like flash) work in your 64bit firefox
[05:23] <wols> and since adobe finally has a 64bit flash plugin, it's useless anyways
[05:23] <SIR_Taco> more-or-less haha
[05:24] <Taggnostr> SIR_Taco, in case you missed earlier: 1) during the upgrade kpackagekit crashed during the installation phase, the bug report window appeared but then the installation went on with the cleanup and reboot fine (not sure it finished the installation); 2) after the reboot it was working more or less fine, but I had no border on the windows, so, since I already had some conflict with compiz, I uninstalled it and at the next reboot it couldn't load kde
[05:24] <Taggnostr> anymore (stuck at the kde icon)
[05:24] <Paytam> I execute sudo dpkg --remove flashplugin-installer to remove this package, before that I use kpackage to remove that package but it returned error that can not remove it
[05:24] <wols> Taggnostr: can X run with any other windowmanager?
[05:24] <SIR_Taco> Taggnostr: ah, ok... was that an upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04?
[05:25] <Taggnostr> SIR_Taco, yes
[05:25] <skierpage> I'd file a bug about the Segmentation fault but I'm not sure if it belongs in dist-upgrade or nspluginwrapper.
[05:25] <wols> Paytam: do you think we are psychic and see all your errors magically from afar? paste the FULL output of your dpkg command in a pastebin
[05:25] <SIR_Taco> Taggnostr: and it didn't finish correctly?
[05:25] <wols> skierpage: it belongs to nspluginwrapper normally. dist-upgrade is no program
[05:26] <Taggnostr> wols, I tried all the options in the login screen (i.e. default, kde plasma workspace, and failsafe). The first two get stuck at the kde icon, the failsafe one gets back to the login screen shortly after the login
[05:26] <SIR_Taco> Taggnostr: can you boot into "recorvery console" with networking?
[05:26] <wols> Taggnostr: I asked for another window manager... say fluxbox or such. started with "startx" preferably
[05:26] <wols> Taggnostr: it sounds like X is borked. check your Xorg.0.log
[05:27] <wols> Taggnostr: don't use kdm at all right now. close kdm and try to run X manually
[05:27] <Taggnostr> SIR_Taco, except for the "crash" it complete everything, I'm not sure that it installed everything though, but I tried sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, and upgrade/update/clean and everything looked fine
[05:27] <Taggnostr> SIR_Taco, I think so
[05:28] <Taggnostr> wols, I'm not sure I have other window managers, startx starts loading the 5 icons and gets stuck to the kde icon too
[05:30] <SIR_Taco> Taggnostr: ok, if you can get into the recovery sonsole and get your networking going... I would try "sudo do-release-upgrade" and see if it will complete the  update (you can add "-d" do the end if it complains I guess)
[05:30] <Taggnostr> SIR_Taco, actually where do I find that? I can do "console login" from the login screen, and I think there the network works
[05:30] <wols> Taggnostr: that's why §deity gave you apt-get: so you can install other WMs if needed. besides: you have another wm already. xwm or such. X comes with it.
[05:31] <SIR_Taco> Taggnostr: well either way, so long as you can get to a console of some sort.
[05:31] <wols> Taggnostr: you start normally. then when the login screen comes up you press ctrl+all+f2, login there, kill the kdm process and then you can debug your X/kde problem
[05:31] <skierpage> Heh, can't debug it any more since I successfully removed nspluginwrapper. thanks all.  off to reboot
[05:31] <wols> skierpage: why would you want to reboot?
[05:32] <Taggnostr> SIR_Taco, the do-release-upgrade says no new release found
[05:32] <SIR_Taco> Taggnostr: ok, so at least we know the upgrade went 'ok'
[05:33] <wols> Taggnostr: from the vt 2, you run startx. it should "crash" or whatever again just like before. if it does, go back to vt 2 and check the output there
[05:33] <Taggnostr> wols, I killed kdm and did startx
[05:33] <SIR_Taco> wow... I should just go to work lol
[05:34] <skierpage> wols, because I just possibly successfully upgraded to Natty Narwhal, despite the failure in nspluginwrapper/flashplugin blah blah!
[05:35] <wols> skierpage: good luck
[05:35] <Taggnostr> wols, if I come back where I did startx the only thing I see is "the XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: warning: type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols. Ignoring extra symbols. Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
[05:35] <SIR_Taco> you want to be my Cheif wols? lol
[05:35] <skierpage> The seg fault could be because /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins has libnpgoogletalk64.so -> /opt/google/talkplugin/libnpgoogletalk64.so , so nspluginwrapper tries to load the 64-bit google plugin and chokes.
[05:35] <wols> SIR_Taco: Cheif?
[05:36] <skierpage> thanks wols.  kthxbye
[05:36] <Paytam> I'm not sure that it again flood or not, I use the paste.ubuntu.com and IRC log, please excuse me in advanced if it flood again
[05:36] <wols> Taggnostr: there is LOTS more. X is very very chatty when it starts. again: use another window manager to test if it's a X problem or a kde problem
[05:36] <Paytam> matthew@matthew-HP:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:36] <Paytam> Reading package lists... Done
[05:36] <Paytam> Building dependency tree
[05:36] <Paytam> Reading state information... Done
[05:36] <Paytam> Calculating upgrade... Done
[05:36] <FloodBotK1> Paytam: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:36] <Paytam> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:36] <SIR_Taco> wols: I'm just joking around, I'm a Fire fighter
[05:36] <Taggnostr> the only 'suspicious'  thing
[05:36] <Taggnostr> wols, how can I start with another wm?
[05:36] <wols> Paytam: for the last time: do not paste in here. paste at paste.ubuntu.com
[05:37] <wols> Taggnostr: just install one
[05:37] <Paytam> I just use that site I don know what happened
[05:37] <wols> what happened is that you didn't use that site
[05:38] <Taggnostr> wols, what about xwm? can I use that? or what else can I install?
[05:38] <Paytam> I use that site and set the syntax to IRC log, and then enter the paste! button
[05:39] <wols> Taggnostr: fluxbox for example
[05:39] <Taggnostr> ok, and how can I start it?
[05:40] <SIR_Taco> seriously?
[05:40] <Taggnostr> if I type fluxbox it says couldn't connect to XServer
[05:40] <wols> you start it with startx as before
[05:40] <SIR_Taco> no, sorry Taggnostr, not directed at you
[05:40] <wols> one way is to create a ~/.xinitrc with only the line "fluxbox" in it
[05:42] <wols> Taggnostr: but "startx" only putting out one line as you said above cannot be right at all
[05:42] <Taggnostr> it's also available in the login screen among the options, and it started fine
[05:42] <SIR_Taco> .
[05:43] <wols> Taggnostr: then you have a kde problem. dunno where kde puts its logs :(
[05:44] <Taggnostr> can I remove kde and reinstall it?
[05:44] <SIR_Taco> http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/5681/where-does-kde-log-to-when-it-can-t-launch.html
[05:45] <wols> sille me. yes, ~/.xsession-errors is the place
[05:46] <Feldegast> when i use synaptic to update packages, it shows me the changelogs of changed packages, when i use kpackagekit, it freezes at the point of showing the change logs and the process has to be killed as it does not continue
[05:46] <Daddy> its good
[05:46] <Daddy> i mean it is a good sign buddy
[05:47] <god3> it seems that we don't need to install build-essential just to what to get gcc etc, it's already there
[05:47] <Daddy> so what you wanna do
[05:48] <Taggnostr> wols: http://paste.ubuntu.com/601610/ is the content of .xsession-errors
[05:49] <SIR_Taco> is that rhetorical?
[05:52] <Paytam> no one could help me? I'm still waiting
[05:55] <SIR_Taco> what's the problem Paytam? I've been back and forth
[05:55] <SIR_Taco> flash plugin?
[05:57] <Paytam> @SIR_Taco: you suggest me remove the flash plugin and then upgrade,but i faced error, the content is in this place http://paste.ubuntu.com/601611/
[05:59] <SIR_Taco> Paytam: possibly this problem?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/363799
[06:00] <SIR_Taco> thanks crazy bot thing
[06:02] <wols> Paytam: have you tried to remove nspluginwrapper with dpkg?
[06:02] <Paytam> my major problem is in this address http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1744753   , right now I use failsafe mode to login and access my computer,I don't know why
[06:02] <Paytam> yes I use dpkg remove
[06:02] <SIR_Taco> you can be my Cheif for sure lol
[06:02] <wols> Paytam: not in your paste
[06:05] <wols> the bug is already known it seems: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/774539
[06:06] <wols> Paytam: have you removed the google-talkplugin package? NOT with apt-get, but with dpkg
[06:09] <Paytam> wols: The previous suggesstions were remove flash plugin. I use dpkg to remove it. now I have google talk web allpication  for prism. Do you suggest me to remove that?
[06:10] <Paytam> my problem is why several of time my laptop hangs, something happend like deadlock or starvation problems. I've never faced such problem in kubuntu 10.10
[06:10] <ignerious> what is the path of Dextop Themes
[06:11] <wols> Paytam: the package to remove is "google-talkplugin"
[06:11] <SIR_Taco> dont listen to me
[06:12] <Taggnostr> uhm, maybe it's working
[06:12] <wols> Paytam: as a search of the ubuntu bugtracker would have shown you. it's a known bug. if you don't have the google-talkplugin installed, it's another plugin. so check what other plugins you have installed for your browser(s)
[06:13] <Taggnostr> where "working" means that it didn't get stuck at the kde icon and now everything is white with a blue bar on the top and nothing works
[06:14] <Taggnostr> I think I'll give up for now, thanks for the help SIR_Taco and wols
[06:15] <ignerious> in which folder does the desktop themes are kept
[06:15] <SIR_Taco> thanks Taggnostr, it's after 1am here, I should be sleeping anyway :)
[06:16] <wols> ignerious: "dpkg -L <package name of the theme>
[06:17] <ignerious> no I want the path of the folder
[06:18] <wols> and I told you how to get it
[06:18] <wols> dpkg keeps a database of every file installed, including themes
[06:20] <Paytam> wols: do you think I should format my system and re-install the new version? I think some packages not download correctly and this is the source of my problem?
[06:21] <wols> Paytam: no
[06:21] <Paytam> so what's your suggestion?
[06:21] <wols> I told you what to do above. twice. if you don't listen, I don't care
[06:24] <Paytam> I use chrome as my web browser and empathy as my instant messenger, I clear prism, but nothing happened. No my chrome doesn't have any plugin righ now
[06:26] <wols> I did not tell you to "clear prism" and all that other drivel. I talked to you about a, probably, installed plugin. I didn't say anything about chrome either
[06:26] <wols> is it so hard to read what I wrote above?
[06:29] <Paytam> wol: thank you any way.
[06:42] <gartral> how do i remove the bouncy ball.. it wont stop long enough for me too hit the x
[07:19] <kevin__> hello
[07:22] <wols> hi
[07:33] <skierpage> Back and running 11.04, rebooted into it fine!
[07:33] <skierpage> Dolphin crashed on first close, NepomukServiceStub crashed and Crash Reporter can't figure out how to install its debug symbols.
[07:46] <Graf_Westerholt> Hi.
[07:46] <wols> good morning
[07:46] <Graf_Westerholt> Good Morning :)
[07:54] <skierpage> bug 429805 (maybe) and bug 774664
[07:58] <skierpage> FWIW, my upgrade failed because nspluginwrapper crashed loading libnpgoogletalk64.so during flashplugin-installer configuration.  I removed nspluginwrapper and flashplugin-wrapper.  Yet I have working Flash Player 64-bit plugin, I think straight from Adobe.
[08:00] <wols> as I said: nspluginwrapper is mostly crap now that there is java and flash for 64bit
[08:04] <Keshl> There is? o_o
[08:05] <Keshl> How would I grab that? Do I need to do anything special?
[08:08] <Graf_Westerholt> Keshl, you can find Adobe Flash Player 64 here: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/square/
[08:09] <Keshl> For Linux? o.O Woudln't that be in the package manager?
[08:12] <Graf_Westerholt> Maybe you can try flashplugin64-installer but I am not sure about this.
[08:14] <tsimpson> the 64bit version is reportedly more buggy than the 32bit version
[08:15] <tsimpson> (flash anyway)
[08:15] <genii-around> Mine refuses to maximize
[08:16] <clashingwave> Hello Umm I can't seem to get the network manager to auto connect on startup in kubuntu 11.04. Has anyone else had this problem if you have, do you have a fix for it. thank you
[08:35] <Fleck> can anybody install fglrx on natty?
[08:35] <Fleck> 11.04 that is
[08:54] <atdprhs> Hello
[08:54] <Graf_Westerholt> Hello, atdprhs.
[08:54] <atdprhs> Hey
[08:55] <atdprhs> Grat_westerholt
[08:55] <atdprhs> I have a question
[08:55] <atdprhs> about Ubuntu server
[08:55] <Graf_Westerholt> You should ask somebody else. :)
[08:55] <genii-around> atdprhs: There is also #ubuntu-server specifically
[08:56] <atdprhs> okayz
[08:56] <atdprhs> thanks :-)
[08:56] <atdprhs> join #ubuntu-server
[08:56] <chris_rc1> hello
[08:57] <Graf_Westerholt> Hello, chris_rc1.
[08:57] <chris_rc1> does sb know, which module handles pc-card/pcmcia (for old cards)?
[08:59] <wols> sb is?
[08:59] <chris_rc1> sorry, 'somebody'
[09:00] <chris_rc1> there is a specific module for that, but i cannot remember its name
[09:02] <atdprhs> nobody answers there genii-around
[09:06] <Graf_Westerholt> Most people are sleeping now. :)
[09:08] <Spaz_Dynamic> is there a command or way to remove old packages that aren't needed anymore (such as files that were dependencies for programs no-longer installed)? and what is the way to purge all uninstalled programs' data/settings files?
[09:08] <Graf_Westerholt> apt-get autoremove
[09:10] <genii-around> -- purge I believe also works with autoremove
[09:10] <Graf_Westerholt> "man apt-get" helps sometimes. ;)
[09:11] <Spaz_Dynamic> Graf_Westerholt: didn't think about that. xD
[09:11] <Spaz_Dynamic> its also 4 AM again... why does this keep happening to me?
[09:16] <atdprhs> Hello, is there anyone here can help me in something related to Ubuntu Server? and it might not even be, it could be in general...?
[09:17] <Graf_Westerholt> Just ask.
[09:17] <atdprhs> My eth0 has dropped suddenly and after I walked around
[09:17] <atdprhs> it
[09:17] <atdprhs> I found that it became unmanaged which I don't know why  that that happened
[09:18] <atdprhs> and I'm stuck on making the device be managed again so my ubuntu-server can connect back to internet
[09:19] <atdprhs> there is an article that I found on google but it's not helpy or maybe it is but I can't deal with it, can you help me with it Graf_Westerholt?
[09:19] <Graf_Westerholt> Sorry, atdprhs, I have no idea.
[09:19] <wols> what's in your interfaces?
[09:19] <atdprhs> what do you mean?
[09:19] <wols> your interfaces file. you run a server after all...
[09:20] <atdprhs> I'm new at this...
[09:20] <atdprhs> so..
[09:20] <atdprhs> :D
[09:20] <atdprhs> :(
[09:20] <atdprhs> :S
[09:20] <FloodBotK1> atdprhs: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:20] <wols>  /etc/network/interfaces
[09:21] <atdprhs> okayz
[09:21] <atdprhs> can I pm you wols?
[09:21] <wols> why?
[09:21] <atdprhs> nevermind...
[09:22] <atdprhs> okayz
[09:22] <atdprhs> I got auto lo              ifaceauto eth0  lo inet loopback                        iface eth0 inet static                       then my ips
[09:23] <atdprhs> iface lo inet loopback sorry
[09:23] <wols> use a pastebin, putting everything on a single line destroys the information
[09:23] <atdprhs> I can't paste.ubuntu because my server is not connected :(
[09:24] <wols> "auto lo              ifaceauto eth0  " looks very very wrong however
[09:24] <atdprhs> the other line that i wrote is wrong
[09:25] <atdprhs> let me rewrite
[09:25] <wols> is there a single line "auto eth0" with nothing else on this line?
[09:25] <atdprhs> auto lo
[09:25] <atdprhs> yes
[09:25] <atdprhs> there is
[09:25] <atdprhs> and there is auto lo at first line that is not commented
[09:25] <atdprhs> then iface lo inet loopback
[09:26] <atdprhs> then auto eth0
[09:26] <wols> and what happens if you "/etc/init.d/networking restart" ? (hopefully ubuntu still has this)
[09:26] <atdprhs> I tried it
[09:26] <atdprhs> but wait, let me try again
[09:27] <atdprhs> at the first time
[09:27] <atdprhs> WARNING: ifup -a is disabled in favour of NetworkManager
[09:27] <atdprhs> set ifupdown:managed=false
[09:28] <atdprhs> I did change that to true while ago according to that article
[09:28] <wols> do you have X running on this "server"?
[09:28] <atdprhs> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1028541
[09:28] <atdprhs> X --> GUI?
[09:29] <wols> yes a gui
[09:29] <atdprhs> I'm using it yes
[09:29] <wols> what for?
[09:29] <atdprhs> umm
[09:29] <atdprhs> To make things easier for it
[09:29] <atdprhs> me*
[09:30] <wols> have a nice day and good luck
[09:30] <atdprhs> Well, I was microsoft  software engineer, and I decided to move into ubuntu
[09:30] <atdprhs> because I started like it
[09:30] <atdprhs> and i'm developing php site wols
[09:30] <wols> just a hint: you're doing it wrong
[09:30] <atdprhs> I don't mean to me rude honestly, I on't understand you
[09:30] <atdprhs> how?
[09:31] <atdprhs> and why?
[09:31] <wols> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI
[09:32] <atdprhs> ouch
[09:33] <atdprhs> reconfiguring the server is too hard...
[09:34] <atdprhs> is there anyway that I can make this server run now
[09:34] <atdprhs> and later on another machine, i can do that?
[09:34] <wols> don't use network-manager (imho) and use the normal interfaces settings, since you use a static IP anyways it seems
[09:35] <atdprhs> yes I'm using static IP
[09:35] <wols> and if you still have problems: paste the interfaces file
[09:35] <atdprhs> okayz
[09:35] <atdprhs> how can I stop NetworkManager? and remove it?
[09:36] <wols> man apt-get
[09:37] <atdprhs> okayz
[09:37] <atdprhs> wait
[09:38] <atdprhs> unable to locate NetworkManager?
[09:39] <atdprhs> aahh
[09:39] <atdprhs> I got it
[09:39] <atdprhs> thanks
[09:39] <atdprhs> its removing it
[09:39] <atdprhs> done
[09:40] <atdprhs> network has been disabled
[09:40] <atdprhs> what do I do wols?
[09:40] <wols> you restart it as I told you above
[09:41] <atdprhs> okayz
[09:42] <atdprhs> Done
[09:42] <atdprhs> let me check
[09:43] <atdprhs> no internet
[09:43] <atdprhs> no connection still
[09:44] <wols> and what did the command to restart it put out?
[09:44] <atdprhs> ?
[09:45] <atdprhs> I don't understand?
[09:45] <keithzg> What the hell? Even from the Alternate CD, the Kubuntu installer doesn't see any of the hard drives on this computer . . . but, for example, GParted when installed on the Live CD sees them fine.
[09:45] <wols> keithzg: what hdd controller?
[09:46] <wols> atdprhs: please paste the FULL output of the commanda cat /etc/network/interfaces  and   /sbin/ifconfig
[09:46] <atdprhs> i don't know
[09:46] <atdprhs> okayz
[09:46] <atdprhs> wait
[09:46] <keithzg> wols: sadly I don't know, it's an old P4 I recently took ahold of, possible they're in some sort of RAID array I'm not aware of.
[09:46] <wols> keithzg: lspci will tell you
[09:48] <keithzg> wols: not sure, it outputs both an IDE controller and a RAID controller
[09:48] <wols> keithzg: which one(s)? and what does dmesg say?
[09:48] <atdprhs> wols
[09:49] <atdprhs> I don't have internet connection on the ubuntu server to paste it on ubuntu site as you told me
[09:49] <atdprhs> I'll have to type each line here
[09:49] <atdprhs> ok?
[09:49] <wols> no. paste.ubuntu.com
[09:50] <atdprhs> okayz
[09:50] <atdprhs> I pasted the first one
[09:50] <atdprhs> http://paste.ubuntu.com/601656/
[09:51] <atdprhs> (I technically typed it all excluding the commented lines)
[09:51] <wols> looks fine so far. your router is 192.168.1.1? and you cannot ping it from the server?
[09:51] <atdprhs> let me check
[09:51] <atdprhs> unreachable
[09:52] <keithzg> wols: RAID is an MBFastTrak133 Lite, and IDE is an Intel 82801DB; dmesg doesn't seem to have anything relevant, but admittedly I'm having a hard time since I don't quite remember how to get the output of a program like dmesg so that I can navigate up and down through it (on the alternate CD right now)
[09:52] <wols> your current IP is 192.168.1.2 as seen via /sbin/ifconfig -a?  and your ethernet is eth0 (also ifconfig)
[09:52] <atdprhs> let me check sbin and paste it there
[09:52] <wols> keithzg: dmesg|less  and you don't have any raid controllers
[09:53] <atdprhs> /sbin/ifconfig?
[09:53] <atdprhs> I can't understand anything from it
[09:53] <keithzg> wols: ah, right...and are you sure? When I start up the computer, after the initial POST and all it definitely waits a bit and talks about a RAID array
[09:54] <wols> atdprhs: it tells you what IPs are currently set for what interfaces
[09:54] <atdprhs> its like ^?ELF^A^A^A^@ and stuff like that
[09:54] <papa_> salut a tous
[09:54] <wols> keithzg: sure. but it's a fakeraid. it's make believe BS
[09:54] <atdprhs> I typed that command vi /sbin/ifconfig
[09:54] <wols> atdprhs: no. /sbin/ifconfig -a  is something a program
[09:54] <kavurt> in my acer laptops, turn off button takes 30 seconds to work. i press the button, after 30 seconds i start seeing effects of it. ??
[09:54] <wols> atdprhs: that was wrong. no vi
[09:55] <atdprhs> ahh
[09:55] <atdprhs> I have eth0 and eth1 and lo
[09:55] <atdprhs> eth0 is yes the same ip
[09:55] <keithzg> wols: ah, I see, but could that indeed be the problem? I mean, fake raid + missing drives = coincidence? I think not!
[09:55] <atdprhs> 192.168.1.2
[09:55] <wols> atdprhs: what ethernet cards are in that server?
[09:55] <wols> keithzg: possibly. as I said, see dmesg what the kernel sees and what not
[09:56] <atdprhs> I enabled eth1 which is built-in interface when I got eth0 not there
[09:56] <wols> atdprhs: dmesg |grep eth |less
[09:56] <atdprhs> I enabled eth1 from bios
[09:57] <atdprhs> it says that it renamed network interfaces eth0 to eth0-eth1
[09:58] <wols> keithzg: http://www.coofercat.com/node/486
[09:58] <wols> atdprhs: add another stanza for eth1 in your interfaces file and use IP 192.168.1.3 (if free) for it
[09:59] <wols> then either one will work. don't forget the auto eth1 line of course
[09:59] <atdprhs> (I need my server to take 192.168.1.2 because I configured my router to forward my static ip to that IP 192.168.1.2)
[09:59] <wols> I dunno what you changed but it could be that udev played around with eth numbering
[10:00] <wols> atdprhs: for debugging the problem you don't. right now any IP will do. if you got a connection to the router, _then_ you can set the proper one
[10:00] <atdprhs> okayz
[10:00] <atdprhs> so I go to /etc/init.d/networking and then edit it, right?
[10:01] <atdprhs> or
[10:01] <atdprhs> sorry
[10:01] <wols> yes. and you restart the networking again afterwards
[10:01] <atdprhs> okayz
[10:01] <atdprhs> but which config file do I edit to give eth1 the iP?
[10:01] <atdprhs> I forgot the file
[10:02] <wols>  /etc/network/interfaces
[10:03] <atdprhs> thanks
[10:03] <atdprhs> wait
[10:04] <atdprhs> so I add auto eth1 below the eth0 part and do the same but give eth1 ip 192.168.1.20?
[10:04] <wols> basically yes
[10:05] <wols> or you can simply change "eth0" to "eth1" everywhere and restart networking
[10:05] <wols> then ping the router IP
[10:05] <atdprhs> Done
[10:05] <wols> heck, you could even unplug the cable and plug it into the other network card...
[10:06] <atdprhs> thats ok
[10:06] <keithzg> wols: actually, after disabling the raid controller in BIOS, the installer now prompts me to choose the driver for the raid card (huh?)
[10:06] <atdprhs> I didn't actually plug the other cable
[10:06] <atdprhs> to eth1 :D
[10:06] <atdprhs> in the first place :D
[10:06] <atdprhs> wait
[10:06] <atdprhs> let me plug it
[10:06] <FloodBotK1> atdprhs: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:07] <atdprhs> okayz
[10:07] <atdprhs> sorry flood
[10:08] <atdprhs> not working wols
[10:08] <atdprhs> unreachable
[10:08] <wols> again: what is the output of ifconfig -a ?
[10:09] <atdprhs> it doesn't say the ip of eth1 that it is 192.168.1.20
[10:09] <wols> then you didn't restart the network
[10:09] <atdprhs> ahh
[10:09] <atdprhs> sorry
[10:09] <atdprhs> now it says the ip
[10:10] <atdprhs> pinging again but it pings from 192.168.1.2
[10:10] <atdprhs> how to ping from 192.168.1.20?
[10:11] <atdprhs> pinging from 192.168.1.2 is unreachable
[10:11]  * keithzg thinks this has probably been enough "trying to install Kubuntu to an ancient, idiosyncratic computer" for one night . . . but'll be back, because for some reason it's rather fun :)
[10:12] <wols> I suggest you keep only one ethernet card in your PC. remove or disable the other one
[10:13] <wols> then configure that with the static IP. you can check the ip via ifconfig.
[10:13] <atdprhs> i can disable eth1
[10:13] <atdprhs> from bios again
[10:13] <atdprhs> ok?
[10:15] <simi_> is the Get new stuff for plasma theme broken in 11.04?
[10:16] <atdprhs> I disabled the eth1
[10:21] <atdprhs> I edited the interfaces
[10:21] <atdprhs> I restarted it but it says that ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1
[10:22] <atdprhs> wols?
[10:22] <atdprhs> now, it doesn't say that after unplugging it
[10:23] <atdprhs> so now its totally disable
[10:23] <atdprhs> disabled
[10:23] <wols> of course. if there is no eth1 anymore, it cannot set the IP for it...
[10:23] <wols> so you can remove it from the interfaces file
[10:23] <atdprhs> okayz
[10:23] <atdprhs> I removed it
[10:23] <atdprhs> from the interfaces
[10:23] <atdprhs> and I restarted the network
[10:24] <atdprhs> pinging is still unreachable
[10:24] <Graf_Westerholt> Connect the plug. ;)
[10:25] <wols>  dmesg |grep eth
[10:25] <atdprhs> no, eth0 is still connecte
[10:25] <atdprhs> connected
[10:26] <atdprhs> okayz
[10:26] <atdprhs> done
[10:27] <atdprhs> there is a part of it says that renamed network interface eth0 to eth0-eth1
[10:27] <atdprhs> by the way
[10:28] <atdprhs> eth1 was given 192.168.1.20 which has been disabled, when I pinged, it started pinging from that ip
[10:28] <atdprhs> eth0 and the only eth0 has .2 at the end
[10:28] <wols>  dmesg |grep eth
[10:29] <atdprhs> I did that wols
[10:29] <wols> do you think I am psychic?
[10:29] <atdprhs> no?
[10:29] <atdprhs> wait
[10:30] <wols> you obviously does, since you apparently think I can see the output of that command magically
[10:30] <atdprhs> lolz
[10:30] <atdprhs> sorry
[10:31] <atdprhs> would you give me 15 min. to retype what I read into paste?
[10:31] <atdprhs> because its too long?
[10:33] <baal_> re
[10:38] <atdprhs> wols
[10:38] <Magnusson> does anyone know how i can edit kickoff to go up one level when i hit backspace and/or move down to the bottom of the list with pagedown?
[10:39] <enrold> hi all
[10:39] <atdprhs> Can't you just ask me questions regarding it and tell you if yes or no?
[10:40] <wols> atdprhs: ifconfig -a  what interfaces are listed?
[10:41] <atdprhs> eth 0 and eth1
[10:41] <atdprhs> and lo
[10:41] <wols> why is there a eth0 when you "disabled it in BIOS"?
[10:42] <atdprhs> I don't know, I thought I disabled it, let me check back again
[10:42] <atdprhs> maybe there is something missing
[10:45] <wols> is there any reason why you need two network cards in there?
[10:46] <atdprhs> now, the eth1 is not there
[10:48] <atdprhs> network is unreachable
[10:48] <delac> can someon give me a comprehensive guide for editing kateui.rc or any of the kde xmlgui files?
[10:49] <atdprhs> wols?
[10:54] <atdprhs> I figured something and I fixed it
[10:54] <atdprhs> but still destination is unreachable
[10:54] <wols> hallelujah
[10:54] <atdprhs> lolz
[10:54] <wols> then you didn't fix anything, did you?
[10:54] <atdprhs> umm a small mistake in interfaces...
[10:54] <atdprhs> but didn't really fix much
[10:56] <wols> supposedly this network worked some time ago, right? what did you change to make it not working?
[10:56] <atdprhs> I don't know
[10:56] <atdprhs> I didn't do anything
[10:57] <atdprhs> it just got disconnected suddenly because when I tried to connect back today, i couldn't but it was working properly
[10:57] <wols> does your router have dhcp?
[10:57] <atdprhs> the last thing I did as I remember was trying to play around with the Remote viewer on ubuntu 10.10 desktop on my laptop (this laptop that I"m using now) to connect to my server and see this tool
[10:58] <atdprhs> but I remember afterwards, I was using test my website connected to mysql on ubuntu server
[10:58] <atdprhs> then I closed everything left normally like everytime
[10:59] <atdprhs> so any idea wols?
[11:00]  * wols points to question above?
[11:01] <atdprhs> sorry
[11:02] <atdprhs> wols
[11:02] <atdprhs> yes
[11:02] <atdprhs> it  has
[11:03] <wols> then run sudo dhclient eth0
[11:03] <atdprhs> actually pinging from my laptop to the server is not working also
[11:04] <wols> duh!
[11:05] <atdprhs> its doing a dhcpdiscover on eth to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 12
[11:05] <atdprhs> and still loading
[11:05] <atdprhs> no DHCPOFFERS recieved
[11:05] <atdprhs> no working leases in persistent database - sleeping
[11:05] <Graf_Westerholt> Maybe you can try a live cd and see if it works.
[11:05] <wols> that means it has no connection to your router. most probably not a ubuntu problem
[11:06] <wols> as Graf_Westerholt said, plug in the cable, check for broken cable, etc
[11:06] <Graf_Westerholt> :)
[11:06] <wols> could be a router config problem as well
[11:06] <atdprhs> okayz
[11:06] <atdprhs> let me un-plug then plug
[11:07] <atdprhs> and also check another cable
[11:07] <wols> when you unplug, you can check dmesg. sudo tail -f /var/log/kern.log       many drivers tell you if there is an ethernet signal, and tell you if the cable is plugged in or not
[11:08] <atdprhs> I'll restart the router
[11:08] <wols> what good will that do?
[11:08] <atdprhs> ok
[11:08] <atdprhs> et me check dmesg
[11:09] <wols> more important is to check if the router has a log, where you can see if new clients are connected for example
[11:09] <paolinux> hi
[11:09] <atdprhs> hmm
[11:09] <atdprhs> i think I'll need to reconfigure the router
[11:09] <atdprhs> because I forgot its password
[11:09] <atdprhs> so I can check that
[11:09] <atdprhs> please give me 10 min.?
[11:10] <atdprhs> I'll be right back
[11:12] <atdprhs> man
[11:12] <atdprhs> it worked!!!!
[11:12] <atdprhs> I restarted the router
[11:12] <atdprhs> and it worked!!!!
[11:12] <atdprhs> It was it
[11:12] <FloodBotK1> atdprhs: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:13] <atdprhs> Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wols!
[11:14] <Graf_Westerholt> Two hours of work for nothing. *gg*
[11:15] <atdprhs> looolz
[11:15] <atdprhs> well, I'm very appreciated for wols being patient with me, the problem is that i'm new at ubuntu, I'm used on windows
[11:16] <atdprhs> Th eproblem is when I plug the other eth1, it worked and it shown me that its plugged, the problem was back at the eth0 which saying that its unmanaged
[11:16] <atdprhs> never thought it could be the router!
[11:17] <atdprhs> To be honest, I loved ubuntus, specially that latest upgrade 11.04
[11:17] <atdprhs> that's why I'll try my best to be good in them
[11:17] <atdprhs> wols, are you here?
[11:18] <wols> barely
[11:18] <atdprhs> lolz
[11:18] <atdprhs> are you ok?
[11:18] <Graf_Westerholt> *g* atdprhs
[11:19] <atdprhs> Well, I'm happy people, and I"m sorry wols...
[11:19] <Graf_Westerholt> Rule 1: First check plugs and router. ;)
[11:19] <atdprhs> hahahaha
[11:19] <atdprhs> I will never miss that again!!! never ever hahaha
[11:19] <Graf_Westerholt> Yes.
[11:19] <atdprhs> Really appreciated everyone!
[11:19] <atdprhs> Thanks :-)
[11:20] <Graf_Westerholt> Rule 2: Try a live CD.
[11:20] <atdprhs> that's a good idea
[11:20] <atdprhs> Rule 3?
[11:22] <atdprhs> Graf?
[11:22] <Graf_Westerholt> I do not know rule 3 ;)
[11:22] <atdprhs> lolz
[11:23] <atdprhs> Just a question, since you guys are really awesome!
[11:23] <atdprhs> its stupid but I need to ask it because I've been living with that since long time ago
[11:24] <atdprhs> why none of Gmail, yahoo and hotmail connect in the ubuntu desktop messenger
[11:24] <Graf_Westerholt> I have Kopete and works fine.
[11:25] <atdprhs> well, google works, but yahoo and msn have the problems
[11:25] <atdprhs> wait, let me check the name of the messenger
[11:26] <atdprhs> I don't know
[11:26] <atdprhs> its embathy
[11:26] <atdprhs> got it from help
[11:26] <atdprhs> Does Kopete tell you the configure it has for those account types?
[11:27] <atdprhs> configuration*
[11:27] <Graf_Westerholt> What do you mean?
[11:27] <atdprhs> port?
[11:27] <atdprhs> for example
[11:28] <atdprhs> because I don't know, it might be the  ports
[11:28] <Graf_Westerholt> Kopete knows the port for Yahoo.
[11:28] <Graf_Westerholt> scs.msg.yahoo.com:5050
[11:29] <Graf_Westerholt> Just typed in name and pw and connected.
[11:30] <Graf_Westerholt> Do you get error messages?
[11:30] <atdprhs> thanks
[11:30] <atdprhs> and the msn?
[11:30] <atdprhs> I fixed the yahoo part
[11:30] <atdprhs> msn?
[11:31] <atdprhs> it was saying authentication erro
[11:31] <atdprhs> error
[11:31] <Graf_Westerholt> messenger.hotmail.com:1863
[11:31] <Graf_Westerholt> PW, name wrong?
[11:31] <atdprhs> Thank you!
[11:31] <atdprhs> yup
[11:31] <atdprhs> it was the name
[11:31] <atdprhs> the msn, i did't do anything except applying it again with the same options
[11:32] <atdprhs> I remember I tried a lot with those accounts for so many days till I lost hope
[11:32] <Graf_Westerholt> You are not very used to work with computers?
[11:32] <atdprhs> not with Ubuntu
[11:32] <atdprhs> I've been using computers since i was 8
[11:33] <Graf_Westerholt> How old are you now?
[11:33] <atdprhs> I'm 21 and I work as a software engineer by C++/C#/PHP/ASP.NET and so many others, but all on windows
[11:33] <Graf_Westerholt> ok…
[11:33] <atdprhs> trust me, I really tried with the messenger so many times
[11:33] <atdprhs> I think they fixed it in 11.04 because I just upgraded before I talk to you guys
[11:33] <Graf_Westerholt> ok
[11:34] <Graf_Westerholt> I used Ubuntu 10.10 with the messenger with Yahoo.
[11:34] <atdprhs> the yahoo could be my mistake because I didn't know that I have to remove @yahoo.com
[11:35] <Graf_Westerholt> I just tried that ;)
[11:35] <atdprhs> and it worked for you?
[11:35] <Graf_Westerholt> Yes.
[11:36] <atdprhs> alright, is there a way I can specially share my screen for you to check it out?
[11:36] <atdprhs> wait, let me retry it
[11:36] <atdprhs> authentication failed
[11:36] <atdprhs> authentication failed again Graf
[11:37] <Graf_Westerholt> try to ping the server.
[11:37] <atdprhs> I removed @yahoo.com and it worked
[11:37] <atdprhs> okayz
[11:37] <Graf_Westerholt> fail or work?
[11:37] <atdprhs> it worked after I removed @yahoo.com
[11:38] <atdprhs> but if I put @yahoo.com, it fails
[11:38] <Graf_Westerholt> And now you are connected with yahoo?
[11:38] <atdprhs> yes
[11:38] <Graf_Westerholt> ok :)
[11:38] <atdprhs> I was commenting on your sentence about it works with you if you type @yahoo.com
[11:38] <atdprhs> it doesn't work that way on my side
[11:40] <Graf_Westerholt> I never wrote it works with the @-part.
[11:41] <atdprhs> I got you wrong then
[11:41] <atdprhs> my bad
[11:42] <atdprhs> at hotmail, in the mail ubuntu one app, do you use pop3 or pop?
[11:42] <atdprhs> I mean pop3.live.com?
[11:43] <Graf_Westerholt> I do not use hotmail.
[11:45] <atdprhs> okayz
[11:45] <Graf_Westerholt> pop3.live.com auf port 995, SSL. Postausgangsserver (SMTP): smtp.live.com auf Port 25, SSL
[11:51] <atdprhs> thank you!
[11:51] <atdprhs> I made it work
[11:51] <atdprhs> I had to type pop3.live.com:995
[11:52] <atdprhs> and smtp.live.com:25
[11:52] <Graf_Westerholt> Was just a quick search at the www.
[11:52] <atdprhs> its my mistake for not searching good enough...
[11:53] <atdprhs> What ubuntu are you using Graf_Westerholt?
[11:53] <Graf_Westerholt> Kubuntu 11.04
[11:54] <atdprhs> is kubuntu same as ubuntu?
[11:54] <bazhang> kde4 versus gnome atdprhs
[11:55] <atdprhs> hmm
[11:55] <bazhang> atdprhs, the underlying parts are the same though
[11:55] <Peace-> atdprhs:  you wanna see what kde can do ?
[11:55] <atdprhs> yes
[11:55] <atdprhs> plz
[11:56] <Peace-> atdprhs: http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/gnome-defaltt-panel-kde.gif
[11:57] <PasNox> hell since the natty upgrade my keyboard is still in qwerty instead of azertym changing the keyboard in system settings > input devices does not help
[11:57] <PasNox> any hint of a system file i can change to force that ?
[11:58] <Peace-> atdprhs: http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/kpack.gif
[11:58] <PasNox> and the apple alu iso keyboard mapping is not correct
[11:59] <atdprhs> its nice that you can edit the layout by code...
[11:59] <atdprhs> amazing
[12:01] <Peace-> atdprhs: that was me :)
[12:02] <atdprhs> Nice panel editing, it looked really awesome after you're executed your code
[12:03] <atdprhs> Peace: Is it there in Kubuntu if I downloaded the 11.04?
[12:04] <atdprhs> Peace: you all work together in the OS and release it?
[12:04] <Peace-> atdprhs: you have only to copy and paste my code on destkop console
[12:04] <Peace-> atdprhs: that's all
[12:04] <skafti> hey can someone advise me how to shar between my kubuntu stationery and ubuntu laptop
[12:05] <Peace-> atdprhs: but before you have to remove your standard panel
[12:05] <Peace-> skafti: rigth button on a folder
[12:05] <Peace-> skafti: share
[12:05] <Peace-> xD
[12:05] <skafti> yep done that
[12:05] <Peace-> skafti: have you installed samba?
[12:05] <skafti> yes
[12:06] <Peace-> so?
[12:06] <Peace-> doesn't work ?
[12:06] <skafti> the folder is shared on the kubuntu machine but it does not appear on the laptop (ubuntu)
[12:07] <Peace-> skafti: ok you did the job on ubuntu machine too ?
[12:07] <Peace-> atdprhs: well you can read this
[12:08] <Peace-> atdprhs: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/kde-configure-panels-in-gnome-way-configure-kde-desktop-for-each-user/
[12:08] <skafti> yes
[12:08] <skafti> samba is installed on the laptop
[12:08] <Peace-> atdprhs: you don't need even to modify stuff just run the script
[12:09] <Peace-> skafti: configureted wel ?
[12:09] <Peace-> skafti: same workgroup?
[12:10] <atdprhs> Peace: nice article!
[12:10] <atdprhs> Peace: I see
[12:11] <atdprhs> Peace: is that javascript?
[12:11] <skafti> when i try to start samba in kubuntu i get  KDElnit could not launch gksu could not find gksu executable
[12:11] <atdprhs> Peace: or actionscript?
[12:12] <Peace-> atdprhs: plasma use javascript
[12:12] <bigbrovar> I guess this is the upteen time I would be asking this here. hope I lucky enough to get a confirmation or solution at best :) .. has anyone be able to get google akonadi resource to work, as in sync with google calendar and contact rather than give invalid password error when in fact I typed in the right password ?
[12:12] <Peace-> atdprhs: there are default javascript on your computer , netbook layout, multimedia layouyt
[12:12] <Peace-> atdprhs: standar layout.js
[12:13] <Peace-> standard
[12:13] <bigbrovar> skafti: it should be kdesudo not gksu
[12:13] <Peace-> atdprhs: i did gnome style
[12:13] <atdprhs> gnome style the one that I'm using now?
[12:13] <atdprhs> Peace: you are talking about the Ubuntu 11.04?
[12:13] <Peace-> atdprhs: nope
[12:14] <skafti> what is my next step then ?
[12:14] <Peace-> atdprhs: i mean a javascript i have created to make kde looks like gnome
[12:14] <Peace-> for panels i mean
[12:14] <atdprhs> ahhh
[12:14] <Peace-> you can do more
[12:14] <mah454_> How i can use ssh connection in dolphin ?
[12:15] <Peace-> atdprhs: for example this is kde with some stuff xD https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_5TpWn9MxsFs/TY-PU-GVb7I/AAAAAAAAAMk/Fsr0-gwrdes/s720/GNOMIFIED.png
[12:15] <Graf_Westerholt> I prefer an Apple Layout. ;)
[12:16] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: you can do that too
[12:16] <Graf_Westerholt> Also with code?
[12:17] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: also with code
[12:17] <Peace-> you need of x bar widget
[12:17] <Peace-> a panel on the top
[12:17] <atdprhs> Apple layout is not that far from both Ubuntu and Kubuntu I guess
[12:17] <Graf_Westerholt> Your screenshot looks a bit lika mac.
[12:17] <Peace-> mm then cairo doc
[12:17] <Peace-> with kde you can do everything
[12:17] <Peace-> even seven
[12:17] <atdprhs> cairo?
[12:18] <Peace-> well if you want mac style you need cairo doc
[12:18] <Peace-> dock
[12:18] <Graf_Westerholt> It would be great to chance the layout with a single mouse click. :)
[12:18] <atdprhs> Actually I don't think 7 will look nice on Linux
[12:18] <Peace-> atdprhs: or well there was a package
[12:19] <Peace-> run that script you get a user with seven layout
[12:19] <Peace-> xD
[12:19] <atdprhs> Peace: I seen many packages that copies windows themes on linux but none of them was nic
[12:19] <atdprhs> nice
[12:19] <Peace-> ok lets see on video
[12:20] <atdprhs> The way Ubuntu and Kubuntu looks give linux a new taste, like a new personal way to show the operating system linux which make it look better
[12:21] <atdprhs> 11.04 in ubuntu surprised me with it's stuff and I'm enjoying it for its' new personal way, like unique and easy, you know what I mean Peace?
[12:21] <bigbrovar> mah454: u can do that from the Network section of dolphin's left sidebar, click on the "add network folder" and choose ssh.
[12:21] <Peace-> atdprhs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFHf2bAv2hY
[12:22] <Peace-> well vistar7 i guess must be fixed right now
[12:22]  * bigbrovar I wonder if #kubuntu is really a support channel or a place for idle chat.  smh
[12:22] <Peace-> xD
[12:23] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: i wil try to create mac style in these days
[12:23] <Peace-> we will see
[12:23] <Graf_Westerholt> You do not have to, Peace-
[12:24] <Graf_Westerholt> It was just a question.
[12:27] <atdprhs> Peace: I think Ubuntu and Kubuntu are best in their own styles, copying aren't as nice as when it comes to their own styles, right?
[12:27] <Graf_Westerholt> Right.
[12:29] <Graf_Westerholt> But it would be no problem to have a Mac- or seven-style for people who like it.
[12:30] <Graf_Westerholt> I think there are Mac-styles on the web.
[12:31] <Peace-> atdprhs: well it's noot correct
[12:32] <Peace-> if you are a new user you can benefit with a similar interface
[12:32] <Peace-> with the older system you used
[12:32] <atdprhs> Peace: that's a good point, me personally, I'm new at Ubuntu and I'm fighting to understand it in it
[12:32] <atdprhs> 's own style
[12:33] <Peace-> well that's the point
[12:33] <atdprhs> Peace: I use Ubuntu for it being fully completely Ubunty
[12:33] <Peace-> you should not fight
[12:33] <atdprhs> Peace: Well, I'm struggling in it, because I loved it
[12:34] <atdprhs> Peace: I'm not familiar with Unix systems at all
[12:34] <atdprhs> Graf_Westerholt: Peace left?
[12:35] <Graf_Westerholt> [13:34:25] <-- Peace- has left this server (Remote host closed the connection).
[12:35] <atdprhs> Just confirming...
[12:35] <atdprhs> I didn't sleep since yesterday
[12:35] <Graf_Westerholt> Time to sleep. ;)
[12:35] <atdprhs> Nope
[12:36] <atdprhs> I have somethings to finish before I do...
[12:36] <atdprhs> if I closed the XChat, will I lose the three channels opened at the left side of the XChat?
[12:37] <Graf_Westerholt> You can do it better after you slept.
[12:37] <Graf_Westerholt> I think you will lose them.
[12:38] <atdprhs> you are right, but since I didn't sleep since yesterday and I slept now, I will wake up late which is not preferable since I will want to wake up in the morning
[12:39] <delac> how to change firefox to use kde's default icons. It is ok otherwise, but seems to find elementary arrows from somewhere...
[12:41] <bigbrovar> delac: the problem I have always had with firefox is that its too gnome centric. but there are projects which tries to fix these. There is a firefox theme for example which bring the UI elements and style of oxygen to firefox. I think u can find it in kde-look.org
[12:44] <atdprhs> I'm gonna go do anything that would prevent me from sleeping
[12:44] <atdprhs> thanks everyone
[12:44] <Graf_Westerholt> ok atdprhs
[12:46] <minsik> hi
[12:47] <minsik> i need help with my broadcom driver
[12:47] <minsik> wifi driver.
[12:47] <shadeslayer> !broadcom | minsik
[12:47] <minsik> anybody help me w/kubuntu
[12:48] <shadeslayer> !sunday | minsik
[12:48] <minsik> umm
[12:48] <shadeslayer> ...
[12:48]  * shadeslayer wonders what the factoid was
[12:48] <shadeslayer> !weekend
[12:48] <shadeslayer> minsik: ^^
[12:48] <Peace-> xD
[12:49] <minsik> yes..?
[12:49] <Peace-> minsik: ok i am here for wifi
[12:49] <bigbrovar> minsik: what problem are u having
[12:49] <minsik> i'm using kubuntu 11.04 via wubi,
[12:49] <minsik> and
[12:50] <Peace-> o wubi
[12:50] <Peace-> omg
[12:50] <minsik> when I try to activate turn on Wi-Fi,
[12:50] <bigbrovar> minsik: let me guess the system freezes?
[12:50] <minsik> nope
[12:50] <minsik> i cannot check the box for turning the wi-fi on...
[12:50] <Peace-> minsik: are you scared to isntall kubuntu aside windows?
[12:51] <Peace-> minsik: mm
[12:51] <Peace-> minsik: wait
[12:51] <minsik> umm.
[12:51] <bigbrovar> Peace-: PLEASE if u have nothing to offer in form of help to please be quiet!
[12:51] <minsik> this is my netbook,
[12:51] <minsik> so it doesn't have a cd-drive...
[12:51] <bigbrovar> minsik: I had issues with broadcom too
[12:51] <Peace-> minsik: cat /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state
[12:51] <Peace-> minsik: give me the output
[12:52] <bigbrovar> and its not just me, lots of others too. I was able to track my issues and most issues by other to  the buggy  opensource broadcom driver which comes with natty
[12:52] <minsik> Peace: NetworkingEnabled=true WirelessEnabled=true WWANEnabled=true
[12:53] <Peace-> minsik: ok
[12:53] <Peace-> minsik: lsmod | grep bc
[12:53] <bigbrovar> minsik: did get to use the additional driver tool to install your wireless driver or it worked out of the box after u install kubuntu 11.04?
[12:54] <Peace-> minsik: please see this to post fast your commands http://blip.tv/file/4876138?filename=Nowardev-PostareUnoScreenshotVelocementeConKde4625.m4v
[12:54] <minsik> bigbrovar: yup.. the STA driver...
[12:54] <minsik> peace: pressed it, and nothing has came out...
[12:55] <Peace-> ok
[12:55] <Armi^> hi all. Where can I find the config file thats contains all the keyboard shortcut key combos in kde?
[12:55] <Peace-> Armi^: why?
[12:55] <Peace-> Armi^: anyway i guess ~/.kde/share/config
[12:55] <Peace-> something like that
[12:55] <minsik> bigbrovar: the STA changed nothing...
[12:56] <Armi^> Peace-: I have a lot of weird key cominations all of a sudden. Alt for instance suspends my pc :P
[12:56] <Peace-> maco: lsmod | grep -i b43
[12:57] <Peace-> Armi^: i guess it's here http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/01/plasma-desktopoK1648.jpg
[12:57] <Armi^> Peace-: k thnx m8
[12:59] <minsik> peace: i think that my chip is not the chip that is included in STA...
[12:59] <Peace-> mm
[12:59] <Peace-> chip?
[12:59] <minsik> yup... the STA doesn't do any thing
[12:59] <Peace-> lspci | grep -i Network
[13:01] <minsik> peace: more seems like bcm4329...
[13:01] <minsik> peace: and it is not included in both sta and b43...
[13:02] <Peace-> minsik: post the output
[13:02] <Peace-> minsik: please
[13:02] <minsik> peace: sorry, but output of what?.....
[13:03] <Peace-> minsik: lspci | grep -i Network
[13:03] <minsik> peace: 04:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[13:03] <Peace-> you have 4313
[13:05] <Peace-> minsik: try this https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/m-a-a-i-broadcom-sta-871533/
[13:05] <minsik> peace: ok.. thnx. i will try this...
[13:06] <kurtul> i need help. http://pastebin.ca/2052500 this computer's wireless doesn't work
[13:07] <Armi^> Peace-: I renamed the old shortcut file and restarted. Tried the alt-F2 combo and although the run window came up my pc also went suspended. So that didn't work. Is it posssible that there is another config file somewhere? I beleave btw that it all started when I used the kde 4.6 ppa in 10.10
[13:09] <Peace-> Armi^: mmm you did something of weird to the system
[13:09] <Peace-> Armi^: try to reinstall kde
[13:09] <Peace-> i guess some configuration files i mean the system on e
[13:10] <Peace-> are wrong
[13:10] <Peace-> this should not happen
[13:10] <Peace-> Armi^: btw try kubuntu 11.04
[13:11] <Peace-> kurtul: 2:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PH rev 01)
[13:11] <Peace-> kurtul: you have that
[13:11] <daniel> So I turned tapping off for my laptop, but its still tapping, and its driving me insane cause if I gently touch the touchpad while typing it messes things up.
[13:11] <Armi^> Peace-:  I'll reinstall kubuntu then. Have been upgrading it sinds 5.something ;-P Maybe a fresh start is a good thing now and then.
[13:11] <Armi^> Peace-: thnx again
[13:12] <Armi^> Peace-: btw I am running 11.04. Always bleeding edge :-)
[13:12] <Peace-> :)
[13:12] <kurtul> Peace-: yes, i do
[13:13] <Peace-> kurtul: run this on konsole jockey-kde
[13:14] <kurtul> Peace-: can i run it with live usb?
[13:15] <Peace-> kurtul: well yes
[13:15] <Peace-> kurtul: your wifi doesn't work because you need firmware i guess
[13:15] <minsik> peace: doesn't work..... guess 11.04 doesn't like 'STA' driver....
[13:16] <kurtul> Peace-: jockey-kde will fix it or we'll need something else to do? the computer is not with me right now, that's why i'm asking.
[13:16] <Peace-> kurtul: you have to try
[13:16] <Peace-> broadcom need firmware + driver opne
[13:16] <kurtul> Peace-:  thanks.
[13:16] <Peace-> or ndiswrapper + driver windows
[13:17] <Peace-> *open
[13:40] <kurtul> Peace-: thanks a lot. jockey-kde fixed my problem
[13:41] <Peace-> kurtul: :)
[13:41] <Peace-> kurtul: install kubuntu in a partition...
[13:42] <Peace-> doesn't use wubi then...
[13:42] <Peace-> it's a waste of time
[13:42] <Graf_Westerholt> Why did somebody developed wubi?
[13:42] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: well for windos user that are soo much scared about linux
[13:43] <Graf_Westerholt> Should use a vm.
[13:43] <kurtul> Peace-: why do you think that i used wubi
[13:43] <Peace-> kurtul: :D because maybe i was wrong , someone has asked me for help before
[13:43] <Peace-> and .. he said he was unsing wubi
[13:43] <Graf_Westerholt> Who is scared about Linux should not use it.
[13:44] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: that is not trie
[13:44] <Peace-> true
[13:44] <Graf_Westerholt> ok
[13:44] <Peace-> becasue for example if you lost all your data
[13:44] <kurtul> Peace-: :) no, it wasn't me. actually i only use linux.
[13:44] <Peace-> doing something of wrong on partiotion
[13:44] <Graf_Westerholt> Therefore you have a backup.
[13:44] <Peace-> :) you know how to do that
[13:44] <Peace-> a noob no
[13:44] <Peace-> :)
[13:45]  * Peace- i has to log out  to see the mac style
[13:45] <Peace-> xD
[13:48] <Graf_Westerholt> Peace-, take a sceenshot.
[13:51] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: ?
[13:51] <Graf_Westerholt> Your Mac style.
[13:52] <Graf_Westerholt> To show. :)
[13:53] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: working on it http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/01/plasma-desktopLJ3696.jpg
[13:53] <Graf_Westerholt> ok
[13:53] <Peace-> i don't remember what i did before xD
[13:53] <Graf_Westerholt> I like Mac. :) Want to have one :)
[13:54] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: i did something like that one time http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/7970/shotv.png
[13:55] <Peace-> but i dont remeber well xD
[13:55] <Graf_Westerholt> That is great with the transparency window.
[14:13] <kurtul> in my two different acer laptops, when i press on the hard turn off button (according to my setting it should shutdown the computer), it takes upto 30 seconds for kubuntu to start shutdown process. is it a bug?
[14:14] <kurtul> but on my viao, it starts right away.
[14:24] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:30] <BluesKaj> hey James147
[14:30] <James147> hey BluesKaj
[15:04] <clashingwave> Hello Umm I seem to be having a problem where my wlan doesn't auto connect to my network at boot up any more, can anyone give my a hand with this or a workaround for now?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> clashingwave, does the network show up in NM ?
[15:07] <clashingwave> yes it does
[15:08] <clashingwave> I have it set to auto connet like I always did, but it doesn't seem to be working in kubuntu 11.04
[15:08] <BluesKaj> and you're using the same settings etc , clashingwave..which wifi chip?
[15:09] <clashingwave> I think its an intel chip
[15:10] <xieyi> I found no thermal_zone in /proc/acpi in 11.04. How can I read cpu temperature now?
[15:11] <clashingwave> is there a command I can use that will tell me what wifi chip  I'm using?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> clashingwave, have you checked the settings in knetworkmanager ? I have to ask
[15:13] <clashingwave> Yes, I have, its set to connect automatically
[15:13] <yofel> xieyi: byobu uses /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon*/temp*_input here
[15:14] <xieyi> thanks I'll try it
[15:15] <BluesKaj> no I mean open knetworkmanager and make sure all the settings like your pw etc are enabled
[15:16] <BluesKaj> pw=password
[15:16] <clashingwave> Yes there all enabled, I can connet just fine, it just wont autoconnet at startup anymore
[15:17] <BluesKaj> clashingwave, open a terminal and do: iwconfig wlan0 up
[15:17] <BluesKaj> or whatever your wlan dwesignation is
[15:18] <James147> BluesKaj: that wont do anything if he can already connect
[15:18] <James147> BluesKaj: problem is the autoconnet at login if i understand correctly
[15:18] <BluesKaj> James147, it might
[15:19] <James147> BluesKaj: no, autoconnect is handeled by the network manager... if he can conenct then the interface is already up ^^
[15:19] <James147> the problem lies with loging in not trigering a connect
[15:19] <clashingwave> Should I paste in the output of that command?
[15:20] <James147> clashingwave: there was output?
[15:20] <clashingwave> yes
[15:20] <BluesKaj> clashingwave, yes , I'm interested
[15:21] <clashingwave> http://paste.kde.org/45217/ Heres the output
[15:21] <minsik> i need help with wi-fi on kubuntu.
[15:21] <minsik> i cannot connect to wi-fi.
[15:22] <James147> clashingwave: ^^ yeah, that just says the low level tools are working
[15:22] <minsik> anyone help me....
[15:23] <James147> !details | minsik
[15:23] <wols> minsik: for starters, tell what wlan chip you have
[15:23] <minsik> i installed the windows driver since i have laptop with broadcom, and i don't see a checkbox to trigger wi-fi now..
[15:23] <James147> ^^ as well as the encrtpyion type, how it failes...
[15:23] <minsik> the box that says enable wi-fi connection....
[15:24] <wols> minsik: pretty much all broadcom chips are supported natively now
[15:24] <James147> minsik: you dont need the windows drivers for brodcom anymore
[15:24] <minsik> yup... but i first used STA, and it didn't work...
[15:24] <wols> minsik: so can you finally tell us what chip you have?
[15:24] <minsik> so, i installed the windows driver...
[15:24] <BluesKaj> clashingwave, what does sudo dhclient wlan0 , output
[15:25] <James147> BluesKaj: again... thats sued to get the ip... which he already has if he can connect
[15:25] <minsik> blueskaj: nothing....
[15:25] <BluesKaj> James147, it doesn't matter , it will trigger a response that we can look at
[15:26] <James147> clashingwave: only think I can possibally think of is a problem some where withthe settings... best way to root hta out is to careate a new user and see if it works as expected for them
[15:26] <BluesKaj> minsik, that post was directed at someone else
[15:26] <minsik> where...?
[15:27] <minsik> wols: my chip is bcm4313...
[15:27] <clashingwave> OKay Thank you =]
[15:27] <clashingwave> I have to go to work, so I'll have to try that after words
[15:27] <minsik> blueskaj: where is that post....?
[15:28] <BluesKaj> minsik, clashingwave, what does sudo dhclient wlan0 , output
[15:28] <clashingwave> thank you for your time and help =]
[15:28] <minsik> blueskaj: wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device ...
[15:28] <BluesKaj> clashingwave, I have another suggestion that may set your connection at login
[15:32] <BluesKaj> clashingwave, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[15:32] <minsik> BluesKaj: how can i do...?
[15:33] <James147> minsik: my guess is that its not working because the windows sdrivers arnt working.... I would use the native ones
[15:33] <James147> !broadcom
[15:33] <minsik> how can i disable windows drivers?
[15:34] <James147> no clue :p
[15:34] <minsik> James147: i used sth ndls something....
[15:36] <wols> minsik: uninstall and purge the ndiswrappers
[15:37] <minsik> wols: just use sudo apt-get remove ndlswrappers?
[15:37] <wols> no
[15:38] <minsik> wols: ummm. how..... ;;; i'm just a beginner to this.....
[15:38] <wols> then I suggest you read more documentation
[15:38] <wols> especially how to install and remove packages
[15:38] <wols> privoder you installed ndiswrapper via packages
[15:39] <wols> *provided
[15:39] <minsik> wols: i used konsole to install this...
[15:43] <sourcemaker> what is more secure in encryption... sha512 or whirlpool?
[15:44] <James147> dont know about whirlpool but sha hasnt been broken to my knowledge
[15:44] <James147> sourcemaker: why do you care?
[15:45] <sourcemaker> James147: just playing around with truecrypt and luks :-)
[15:45] <James147> ^^ being more 'secure' isnt always what you want... soemtimes you need speed over a small (usually theritical) lost of security
[15:46] <James147> sourcemaker: best thing you can do then is to read up on them if you care and make an imformed desision... if your just playing then it dosnt really matter
[15:47] <James147> if you dont care enough to do that then go with the default
[16:05] <sourcemaker> is it realy required to use lvm when the whole patition should be encrypted?
[16:05] <sourcemaker> using LUKS
[16:11] <george_> Hello. Is safe to run sudo apt-get autoremove?
[16:11] <yofel> yes
[16:12] <Graf_Westerholt> Never had a problem.
[16:12] <Graf_Westerholt> Oh, once I HAD a problem.
[16:12] <Graf_Westerholt> It removed my language files from OpenOffice.
[16:14] <george_> Hmmmm.
[16:15] <Graf_Westerholt> But normaly there is no problem.
[16:16] <Graf_Westerholt> It shows you all package  that will be removed and ask you to confirm.
[16:17] <george_> Thanks... but is going to remove LOTS of packages. I've just intalled Kubuntu 11.04, so I'm not sure.
[16:18] <James147> george_: can you pastebin the list?
[16:20] <george_> James147: Sure. Here it goes: http://paste.kde.org/45301/
[16:20] <delac> trying to modify kate's menubar. If I add additional menus to the xml structure in kateui.rc, they will always pop up at the end of the menubar. Is there some more toplevel ui.rc file that determines the order for the menubar?
[16:20] <James147> george_: that dosnt look like allot :0
[16:20] <James147> george_: and non of them look like they will break anything
[16:22] <Graf_Westerholt> Is that Spanish or portuguese?
[16:25] <george_> James147: Yeah, but it seems that it WILL remove packages related to sound and video. I'm not sure to do that. Actually I'm having trouble to run audio stream on chrome, ff and opera. VLC plugin fails or asks me to open with an app.
[16:25] <george_> Graf_Wesrholt: Portuguese.
[16:25] <Graf_Westerholt> :)
[16:25] <Graf_Westerholt> I'd like to learn it. :)
[16:26] <James147> george_: most likly because newer lib that handel them have been installed^^ they should be safe to remove
[16:27] <george_> Graf_Wesrholt: That's nice. Why don't you give http://www.livemocha.com/ a try?
[16:27] <george_> James147:Ok, I'll do it. Thanks.
[16:27] <Graf_Westerholt> Do I have to pay?
[16:28] <george_> Graf_Wesrholt: No.
[16:28] <Graf_Westerholt> Thx. :)
[16:28] <Graf_Westerholt> I know a girl in Rio de Janeiro. I would learn from her. :)
[16:29] <Graf_Westerholt> But the site is a good idea.
[16:31] <george_> Graf_Wesrholt: Nice. Where are you from?
[16:31] <Graf_Westerholt> Germany.
[16:32] <Graf_Westerholt> You are from brasil?
[16:33] <george_> Graf_Wesrholt: Yes.
[16:34] <george_> James147: dpkg --audit returns nothing. But I'm still not able to play audio stream.
[16:35] <James147> but you have audio?
[16:35] <James147> :p;
[16:36] <george_> James147: Sure lol.
[16:39] <Graf_Westerholt> Hi, iElle.
[16:39] <iElle> Hi
[16:39] <anon43987> Hi, I'm using Kubuntu 8.04 LTS. It says on Wikipedia that the support would end on 2011.5.12. Would the repository still be available for updating/installing on my 8.04?
[16:39] <iElle> I've just upgraded to 11.04
[16:40] <iElle> Works without problems,nice release
[16:40] <topyli> anon43987: you can directly upgrade to 10.04 lts i suppose
[16:40] <rats__> So far I agree iElle
[16:40] <yofel> anon43987: it won't get any updates anymore. And the archive will be moved to old-releases.ubuntu.com
[16:40] <topyli> (lts
[16:40] <topyli> ugh. sorry
[16:41] <anon43987> @topyli: I know, it's just 8.04 is the version directly with KDE 3.5, which i prefer to kde 4
[16:41] <iElle> I don't know why I can't connect to EFNET
[16:41] <iElle> :(
[16:41] <topyli> anon43987: well you do have to upgrade
[16:42] <yofel> hm, *have to* isn't quite right, it's strongly recommended, but if he wants he can still use hardy. It won't recieve any security updates though anymore
[16:42] <topyli> yofel: that means you have to upgrade :)
[16:42] <yofel> not that there were any of those for kde3 apps for a while
[16:44] <topyli> i'm intrigued by owncloud and would like to test it, but i can't find much documentation :(
[16:45] <anon43987> well, i'm using 8.04 KDE 3.5 in a Virtualbox, and the speed now is blazing fast. In a virtualized environment, and no important data, I'm just trying out apps like amarok.
[16:45] <anon43987> so security wouldn't be a priority right now.
[16:46] <anon43987> say, if later, I want to install vlc on my 8.04, shoule I add old-releases.ubuntu.com to my sourcelist? would that work?
[16:46] <topyli> anon43987: you can run old versions, sure. just don't connect it to the internet
[16:50] <anon43987> well, thanks, guess i'll wait till 5.12 and see what happens.
[17:04] <jacg> Hi i have problems with my kubuntu 11.04 and the intel 950 video card, the opengl is very slow
[17:05] <wols> opengl is always slow with this card. you sure it's not just the normal slowness this chip is famous for?
[17:14] <c-c-m_> hello, can anyone tell me how can I correct a translation in KDE?
[17:17] <James147> c-c-m_: http://www.kde.org/community/getinvolved/translation/
[17:18] <c-c-m_> thank you!
[17:30] <sourcemaker> ich habe a problem with my external usb device...
[17:30] <sourcemaker> it's encrypted with luks but I don't know which file system is used...
[17:30] <Graf_Westerholt> Deutsch-Englisch?
[17:31] <sourcemaker> fdisk -l show me HPFS/NTFS... but mount and df -T tells me ext4... what's right?
[17:31] <Graf_Westerholt> You have to format the encrypted partition.
[17:32] <sourcemaker> Graf_Westerholt: sure... and made it very late in the night some month ago... and I still can't remeber... if I have fromat the partition or not...
[17:32] <sourcemaker> Graf_Westerholt: I just want to know.. how to determine the file format which is used...
[17:33] <Graf_Westerholt> I am not sure about that.
[17:34] <sourcemaker> Graf_Westerholt: well... it seems really the wrong information from fdisk... the second usb device is known as fat32... and it's ext4 formated....
[17:36] <Graf_Westerholt> I cannot help you with that, but here are some clever guys. :)
[17:36] <sourcemaker> Graf_Westerholt: thanks man
[17:36] <Graf_Westerholt> But all are still sleeping.
[17:36] <Graf_Westerholt> :D
[17:36] <sourcemaker> It's May the 1th.... there are all drunk :-)
[17:37] <Graf_Westerholt> I am afraid you are right.
[17:39] <tommis> hi, is there oxygen .msstyles theme for wine?
[17:42] <wols> sourcemaker: tried "file /dev/devicename" on it?
[17:43] <sourcemaker> no
[17:43] <sourcemaker> I tried fdisk -l /dev/device and df -T and mount
[17:43] <sourcemaker> i guess... that fdisk is wrong
[17:43] <wols> also, fdisk and the like simply read the byte in the partition table to see what it is, so you can have a 0x0a partition (which means ntfs) but there is a ext3 partition there in reality. linux doesn't care about such a thing.
[17:44] <wols> windows however might even crash when it sees something mislabeled like that (or delete your data)
[17:44] <Graf_Westerholt> LOL Windows :)
[17:45] <sourcemaker> wols: ok thanks... so there reason is... that I did't remove and recreate the parition after I bought the usb device...
[17:45] <wols> probably
[17:45] <sourcemaker> wols: but the reall file system is like mount says... ext4...
[17:45] <sourcemaker> wols: thanks man...
[17:52] <tommis> hi, is there oxygen .msstyles theme for wine? anybody?
[18:02] <namapoka_user> How to install adobe flash player. Which package to download and what program to install? I tried all options failed.
[18:03] <namapoka_user> Please
[18:04] <Graf_Westerholt> Did you try „sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer“
[18:06] <namapoka_user> ok
[18:08] <DoctorPepper> hi guys !!!
[18:08] <chachan> guys, you know when you open many applications and the task manager start showing just the icons?. Is there a way to set this even there's one open application?
[18:10] <DoctorPepper>  i need some help  ,  i am using  the bespin kde style  with Xbar plasmoid + a module  for  gnome-global-menu  intergration  ,  i find  myself   having  the global  menu  integration into   to Xbar only  when starting gtk apps form  konsole   but no integration when starting them from the k menu
[18:14] <sithlord48> going for broke , upgrading to natty no smart prep.. not removing the ati driver either.. (stress test...)
[18:17] <sithlord48> and using kpackage kit for it .. lol
[18:33] <Graf_Westerholt> Hello, Peace-.
[18:33] <Peace-> Graf_Westerholt: hei
[18:35] <c-c-m_> hello, does anybody know how to use OwnCloud?
[18:36] <Graf_Westerholt> Hello, george_.
[18:37] <george_> Graf_Westerholt: Hello.
[18:37] <george_> When
[18:37] <Graf_Westerholt> c-c-m_, did you read http://owncloud.org ?
[18:37] <george_> When I try to update usind Kpackagekit, I get this: E: Error http://archive.canonical.com natty/partner amd64 Packages
[18:37] <george_> 407 Proxy Authentication Required. What should I do?
[18:38] <c-c-m_> yes, but I do not quite understand
[18:38] <Graf_Westerholt> c-c-m_ what do you not understand?
[18:38] <c-c-m_> it's supposed to be integrated in Kubuntu 11.04, but I don't see it anywhere
[18:38] <c-c-m_> even after installing it from packagekit
[18:38] <Graf_Westerholt> You now what c-c-m_ is?
[18:39] <c-c-m_> if I'm not wrong is a server that allows to sync files and have control versions
[18:39] <Graf_Westerholt> Yes.
[18:40] <Graf_Westerholt> I think would you have to do is set up the server.
[18:40] <Graf_Westerholt> *what
[18:40] <ep> 11.04 how do i add a directory to the PATH for a single users or all users?
[18:41] <george_> Forgot  it. If I disable manual proxy on Rekonq, the problem is gone. But I don't think that set a manual proxy on Reconq should mess whith Kpackagekit, anyway...
[18:42] <ep> ah an FAQ in the topic
[18:42] <Graf_Westerholt> c-c-m_ https://www.packagecloud.com/?au=owncloud
[18:42] <c-c-m_> I've seen my mistake
[18:42] <Graf_Westerholt> c-c-m_ maybe you can get you owncload there.
[18:42] <James147> c-c-m_: owncloud is a web application... its designed to be run on a server and run by a web server
[18:43] <c-c-m_> I didn't use the installation script
[18:43] <c-c-m_> It seems that installing it from kpackageKit only downloads the dependencies
[18:43] <c-c-m_> (php5, mysql...)
[18:43] <c-c-m_> but you have to install a script
[18:43] <c-c-m_> which I didn't do
[18:44] <James147> no, it will have installed the files forit as well... but it is only of use if your running a webserver
[18:45] <c-c-m_> there's something I don't quite understand: how am I suppose to share files?
[18:46] <c-c-m_> I mean: even if I use packagecloud, how am I to upload files to server?
[18:46] <c-c-m_> using FTP?
[18:46] <c-c-m_> and what about using my own computer as a server?
[18:46] <tsimpson> you need a web server to use opencloud
[18:46] <c-c-m_> how am I to sync between the other computers?
[18:46] <tsimpson> owncloud
[18:47] <tsimpson> "cloud" is meaningless, it's just a fancy file storage system
[18:47] <James147> tsimpson: i would say ambiguous not meaningless :)
[18:49] <tsimpson> if you're not referring to the meteorological phenomena, it's meaningless...
[18:49] <c-c-m_> there's a hint on the bottom of owncloud which says: "mount it via webdav like this: webdav://localhost/owncloud/webdav/owncloud.php"
[18:49] <c-c-m_> what does that mean?
[18:49] <c-c-m_> (I'm new to this)
[18:52] <ep> i guess, since i want to add my own personal bin directory to the path variable,  I just need to edit .bashrc  This is all , correct?
[18:52] <tsimpson> you can put that into dolphin to use the website like a "remote drive", or you can install something like davfs2 to actually mount the remote service to the filesystem
[18:52] <tsimpson> just like you can with samba (smb/cifs)
[18:53] <James147> but all that is pointless unless your running it remotly
[18:54] <tsimpson> ep: it's usually in ~/.bashrc, but commented out at the bottom
[19:09] <delac> any way to hide the "plugin toolbar" on the bottom of the kate?
[19:10] <sithlord48> the "terminal" and "find in file buttons " thats what i got at the bottom of kate
[19:11] <delac> sithlord48: those are both plugins
[19:11] <Alonea> how do I get chrome to see that Java is installed? I type in java -version in my terminal and I get one
[19:11] <sithlord48> thats what i was unsure of
[19:11] <delac> sithlord48: and I would like to hide the bar
[19:11] <delac> sithlord48: without actually removing the olugins
[19:11] <delac> plugins*
[19:12] <sithlord48> you can uncheck show sidebars in view.. but it will also not show the left side bar
[19:13] <sithlord48> thats looks like it  they are in "Sidebars" only it seams
[19:14] <delac> sithlord48: well, that suits me well :) thanks!
[19:14] <sithlord48> delac: your welcome :D
[19:15] <Alonea> ok, maybe I should ask, how do I get java into my env?
[19:16] <sithlord48> have you installed the java plugin?
[19:16] <sithlord48> iirc its the package named sun-java6-plugin (let me check that )
[19:16] <sithlord48> oh wait i can't (upgrading..)
[19:16] <Alonea> sithlord48: er, whats the difference between java and java plugin? I get a version for java when I check in terminal
[19:17] <sithlord48> idk plugin is for browser?\
[19:17] <Alonea> sithlord48: Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0-ea-b139)
[19:19] <sithlord48> i have no idea. but if you install medibuntu and the "kubuntu-restricted-extras" package both java and flash are part of that , with more codecs just be sure you can see the liscese agreement since you need to agree to them.
[19:20] <Alonea> sithlord48: but not java 1.7 I don't think, however, like I said, its not showing up in my env. where can I add to it? something like JAVA_HOME=/path/to/java/
[19:21] <sithlord48> Alonea:  that im not sure but if you look in teh ubuntu docs you should find it
[19:22] <BajK> what is the reason that I cannot access the other computer's shares? I used that new easier samba config thing and now I see the share, I set "everyone" and my username to "Full access" but it always asks for a password and neither Guest nor the user name on my or the other computer work
[19:22] <BajK> it used to work right away in maverick
[19:23] <BajK> and the samba configuration in systemsettings (kdenetwork-filesharing package) is missing. In maverick you could configure samba right from systemsettings -> Share, which is now not possible anymore
[19:23] <Alonea> sithlord48: I only ask because I kept finding different things. .bashrc, .bash_profile, and there was one other. I couldn't find anything consistent
[19:24] <sithlord48> im not sure what to tell you since i don't know myself
[19:24] <BajK> I justa wanted to copy a screenshot over ._.
[19:24] <BajK> too good I have apache already configured and can use my upload tool
[19:29] <BluesKaj> BajK, did you try the 'add network folder' method ?
[19:29] <BajK> add network folder?
[19:29] <BajK> ah
[19:29] <BajK> mom
[19:30] <BajK> BluesKaj: this does the same
[19:30] <BajK> ask for a authorization but it doesnt accept mine
[19:31] <BajK> in Maverick you had to know that you need kdenetwork-filesharing but once it was installed everything worked perfectly
[19:31] <BajK> in Natty they added some "usability things" but now sharing doesnt work right away anymore
[19:31] <BluesKaj> BajK, I have to ask if fileshare is enabled on the target pc
[19:31] <BajK> BluesKaj: ?
[19:31] <BajK> you mean if the folder is shared?
[19:31] <BajK> samba is installed, yes
[19:32] <BluesKaj> the pc you want to connect to yes
[19:32] <Newbee> hello folks
[19:32] <BajK> BluesKaj: yes
[19:32] <Newbee> I wanted to do an upgrade from maveric to natty, but it says: "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade"
[19:33] <Newbee> How can I find out what problem occured?
[19:33] <BajK> I rightclicked on the respective folder, chose Properties, Share, "Install Samba"; ok, blablabla, ok, done, close properties, reopen them, Share, "Share as Samba (MS Windows)", entered name, set both users shown (Everyone and me) to "Full acceess", ok and wanted to access from the other pc
[19:33] <BajK> the other computer sees the share but clicking it results in a credential dialog which doesnt accept my user and password
[19:33] <BluesKaj> if the other pc is alinux machine just use ssh in the add network folder method , ..samba to me is a pita unless you're connecting to windows pc
[19:34] <BajK> -.-
[19:34] <BajK> I just want to share a folder. period.
[19:34] <BajK> and copy files over by just dragging them
[19:35] <BluesKaj> dragging ? never tried that, I always just used copy & paste
[19:35] <BajK> er whatever
[19:35] <BajK> dolphin window
[19:35] <BajK> split view, left the local folder, right the remote folder
[19:35] <BajK> drag file from left to right, choose "copy" and thats it
[19:35] <BluesKaj> is the othjer pc a windows pc or linux
[19:37] <BajK> both are linux
[19:37] <BajK> both are running natty Kubuntu 11.04
[19:37] <BajK> and dont tell me to use nfs or ssh or whatever
[19:37] <BajK> I want Samba since I always used it and it always worked perfectly
[19:38] <BajK> theres just that problem with the authorization
[19:39] <BajK> it doesnt even accept the authorization if I access a local folder via samba (i.e. if I access the folder I shared from the PC it is on)
[19:40] <BajK> it seems everything Kubuntu developers add to the stock KDE is just a mess and ruins everything
[19:40] <BajK> KDE - works fine. Kubuntu's KDE - partially english, things dont work, thngs look different, dialogs are non-HIG-conform, etc
[19:41] <Graf_Westerholt> What is HIG?
[19:42] <BajK> Human Interface Guidelines
[19:42] <Graf_Westerholt> thx
[19:42] <BajK> just look at jockey-kde and bugreport compared to the original KDE applications..
[19:42] <BajK> BluesKaj: so, what do you recommend? use NFS?
[19:44] <BluesKaj> ok , BajK in the runbox : kdesudo kate ~/.ssh/known_hosts ... clear that key on both pcs , then try again , it will ask for a new one when you try to connect again , say yes
[19:44] <BajK> great, now we have that linux user friendliness again. mom
[19:44] <BajK> BluesKaj: it's empty on both pcs
[19:44] <BajK> the file
[19:45] <BajK> er and what has ssh to do with that?
[19:45] <topyli> ssh has nothing to do with samba
[19:45] <keithzg> Honestly, I've never found Samba to be anything other than a PITA myself . . . I actually loved going over to using sftp (which you can do graphically in the file manager just fine) since Samba/WindowsSharing was always failing between Windows versions
[19:46] <BajK> can't you just stop telling me how bad samba is? the natty developers f****d that up, not me. It worked PERFECTLY in maverick but now with that pesudo-user-friendly sharing in Natty, they have ruined it.
[19:46] <keithzg> Oh, fair enough.
[19:46] <topyli> BajK: if your machines are all linux, you might as well use ssh though
[19:46] <BajK> ssh? that console thing?
[19:46]  * keithzg was just saying that it can fail for many other things too
[19:46] <BajK> yes, they are all linux
[19:46] <BluesKaj> samba to me is clunky on linux , the smbclient is the underlying engine but it works well with ssh , so you can set up a direct folder using dolphin networking add network folder, without samba
[19:46] <keithzg> BajK nonono, that's just one way
[19:47] <BajK> I just want to copy a file over to another computer like if I would copy a local file
[19:47] <keithzg> Yeah, you can do that with ssh
[19:47] <topyli> sshh includes sftp and works perfectly in dolphin
[19:47] <BajK> if just that Samba configuration kcm would work in natty
[19:47] <BajK> I could check credentials
[19:47] <keithzg> in dolphin, just go to sftp://computername
[19:47] <keithzg> bam, done, don't even need to set up specific shares
[19:47] <topyli> you need to run sshd though
[19:47] <BluesKaj> keithzg, right that's another way
[19:47] <keithzg> well sure
[19:48] <BajK> and what about my initial problem? the authorization thing?
[19:48] <keithzg> ...but ssh is so damn useful I always do ;)
[19:48] <topyli> yep :)
[19:48] <BajK> I enter my username and my password (both are the same on both pcs)
[19:48] <BajK> but it doesnt accept it
[19:48] <BajK> even smb://localhost/public doesnt accept the local password
[19:48] <BajK> and I have set both "Everyone" and "bajk" to "Full access"
[19:49] <keithzg> Is there still a copy of the old samba config?
[19:49] <BajK> no
[19:49] <BajK> both are fresh installs
[19:49] <James147> BajK: if you dont like the new dialogs... dont use them, the old config files are still there
[19:49] <keithzg> oh, huh....
[19:49] <topyli> weird though, samba works just fine here
[19:49] <BajK> (Because I doubt this distribution updater works more reliable than this samba config thing)
[19:49] <topyli> (the server is my router)
[19:49] <BajK> James147: I dont want config files
[19:49] <BajK> I want an easy to use, WORKING graphical configuration frontend
[19:50] <BluesKaj> BajK, install openssh-client , thinkm the server is installed by default already
[19:50] <keithzg> Honestly you aren't going to find one necessarily since that's probably not where the problem is.
[19:50] <BajK> the only downside in maverick was that the config utility wasnt installed right away, so if you knew it, you installed it and were set. Now in Natty they did whatever and ruined it (hey, they can squeeze patience on the CD)
[19:50] <BajK> BluesKaj: openssh-client is already installed
[19:51] <keithzg> I run some samba shares myself, and mysteriously although stuff like XBMC can connect to them fine, no windows installs can... not to harp on it, but as said, sftp already works and is graphical in the file manager.
[19:51] <BajK> BluesKaj: and now?
[19:51] <BluesKaj> theninstall openssh-server
[19:51] <BluesKaj> on both machines
[19:51] <BajK> next thing: what is wrong with that policykit thing? why even HAVE a "Remebmer authorization" checkbox?
[19:51] <BluesKaj> so you can copy back and forth
[19:52] <BajK> ok installed on both
[19:52] <BajK> ok and how can I now share files and access them?
[19:53] <keithzg> Just go to the url sftp://ipaddress or sftp://hostname
[19:53] <BajK> No connection. Failed to resolve hostname bajk-desktop (Name or service not known)
[19:53] <keithzg> (the latter might not work if your router doesn't pass along hostnames, which I know some normal routers lazily don't)
[19:53] <BajK> ah ok
[19:53] <BajK> got it
[19:54] <BajK> thx
[19:54] <keithzg> np
[19:54] <BajK> now I just need to tell my mom to do the same
[19:54] <James147> keithzg: or sftp://sshaliasnamee :) ^^ assuming you ahve one set up
[19:55] <BajK> ssh alias name?
[19:55] <BajK> printing is using that other cups network thing?
[19:56] <BajK> and can I see the computers around me like in samba? or do I always have to TYPE sftp://192.168.0.100/ ?
[19:57] <James147> BajK: you can assign aliases to ssh so that you dont have to type in the same options every time... ie it lets you type "ssh aliasname" rather then "ssh username@434.321.543.324"
[19:57] <BajK> and HOW?
[19:57] <James147> ^^ can bundle options as well if you use the same ones allot (ie -X for xforwarding)
[19:58] <BluesKaj> BajK, open dolphin/network/add network folder ,choose ssh, fill in the requirements ...try that , then it will remember the username and pw when you choose the remote folder
[19:58] <James147> BajK: basically: http://www.innovatingtomorrow.net/2008/01/21/type-less-ssh-aliases
[19:58] <keithzg> james147: for now I think he's really just using it for file transfers in Dolphin, so X11 forwarding not being that useful ;)
[19:58] <keithzg> BajK: yeah, printing over the network the built-in way is cups...if you're lucky and you have the computer with the printer set to share printers, the others may even automagically detect over the network
[19:59] <keithzg> (at least, mine did last time I set such things up, which was a nice surprise)
[19:59] <BluesKaj> oh well, to each his own , but having a network folder to choose is eadier than using aliases IMO
[20:00] <gomiboy> why nobody mentioned nfs? :3
[20:00] <BluesKaj> aliases are good for the cli
[20:00] <yofel> he did mention NFS
[20:00] <yofel> but that's trickier to setup than samba IMHO
[20:01] <gomiboy> i don't think so, but, well...
[20:01] <BluesKaj> smb/ssh ftw
[20:03] <keithzg> Personally I use sshfs, but I'm not going to advocate that here since that's a whole 'nother level of complexity to the problem, heh
[20:04]  * James147 has to use smb as hes on a network with windows computers :(
[20:05]  * yofel uses a samba/nfs mix here
[20:05] <keithzg> James147: my old housemates all used Windows, but no matter what we did we could never get their Vista computers to see my samba shares...so ironically, they just used sftp clients haha
[20:05] <yofel> hehe, filezilla FTW :)
[20:06] <James147> keithzg: yeah.. only problem with that is I cant seem to stream over sftp :(
[20:06] <keithzg> James147: that's why I use sshfs, actually
[20:07] <BajK> great, and digikam doesnt save scanned files when saved using sftp
[20:08] <keithzg> Wait what? What exactly do you mean?
[20:08] <BajK> instead of sftp://bajk@192.168.0.101/home/bajk/Scan1.jpeg it saves at file:///home/bajk/Scan1.jpeg
[20:08] <BajK> or well, it doesnt save, it just writes a corrupt file there
[20:09] <keithzg> huh. Apologies, I've never used sftp for anything like that (I just use sshfs for my permanent shares), didn't know of any issues like that.
[20:10] <BajK> hm
[20:10] <BajK> and that policykit is also so annyoing
[20:10] <BajK> and I thouhgt VIstas UAC horrible
[20:11] <keithzg> You mean the prompting for password? UAC is just annoying, since it doesn't even make it more secure...they were, ironically, modelling it after stuff like PolicyKit.
[20:11] <BajK> but Uac doesnt ask you EVERY SINGLE TIME
[20:11] <BajK> why even bother having a "Remember authorization" checkbox?
[20:11] <BajK> it works on NONE of my computers
[20:11] <BajK> so, you install for example an application and uninstall anotehr and upgrading
[20:11] <James147> BajK: but nether does it authenticate you... amkes it pointlessly anoying...
[20:11] <BajK> you get FOUR PROMPTS for your password
[20:12] <BajK> one for INstalling an signed package, one for installing an unsigned package, one for uninstalling and one for updating
[20:12] <keithzg> Well, that's odd. I tried it once on a computer I didn't care about and the remembering worked fine . . . but I usually use Synaptic or such, which just prompt for pass when you start the program and that's it.
[20:12] <James147> not sure why it seems to expire the session immedently though... that part is anoying
[20:14] <BajK> back when I started wth Kubuntu it worked
[20:14] <BajK> in Jaunty there was even a policykit thing in systemsettings
[20:14] <BajK> then with my new computer I instaled 10.04 freshjly (without keeping my files and stuff, so a new polkit config) then the trouble began
[20:14] <BajK> and that tool is even removed now..
[20:16] <James147> BajK: that tool was removed because it didnt work with the new backend they switched to which was deprectated as far as I know
[20:16] <BajK> and how can I make it remember the authorization?
[20:16] <BajK> it is fine that it expires after like 10 minute (like sudo)
[20:16] <BajK> but not EVERY TIME
[20:16] <BajK> i install digikam, click ok, and remember "oh i need kolourpaint", click that, and again it wants my password
[20:16] <BajK> even for UPDATES now it wants it, it didnt to that back then
[20:18] <delac> how to open executable files with left click in Dolphin?
[20:19] <delac> I mean open in some other program like Kate.
[20:19] <BluesKaj> BajK, open dolphin/network/add network folder ,choose ssh, fill in the requirements ...try that , then it will remember the username and pw when you choose the remote folder
[20:19] <BajK> hm?
[20:20] <BajK> I have that already
[20:20] <keithzg> delac: sure you don't want to just left-click and choose "open with" and choose kate? Or drag-drop into an open Kate window?
[20:20] <BluesKaj> hmmm what , it works
[20:20] <BluesKaj> BajK, you don'r have it if it doesn'tr work
[20:21] <BajK> what has that do to with policykit?
[20:21] <BluesKaj> what's your obsession with policykit
[20:21] <delac> keithzg: what I'm trying to achive is more in line of: not accidentaly running scripts I just want to read
[20:21] <BajK> that it is annoying as hell?
[20:21] <BajK> that it doesnt remember the password I entered 5 seconds ago?
[20:22] <BluesKaj> then don't use it
[20:23] <markit> hi, I would like to know / understand how to play mp3, dvd and wav using only Free software ignoring patents issues. The kubuntu-restricted-extras unfotrunatly installs proprietary Flash player among other. Any idea?
[20:23] <BajK> BluesKaj: and how?!
[20:23] <markit> In short, I want to use only software that is Free Software (GPL / LGPL)
[20:23] <BajK> markit: then dont tick the "Install proprietary driversr" thing on install :D
[20:24] <James147> markit: for mp3 try lame ^^ i think that is open
[20:24] <keithzg> delac: if you right-click on a file, go to properties, across from "Type: whatevertypeitis" there should be a wrench icon, click on that and you're editing the default programs for that filetype
[20:24] <BajK> ah misread your question
[20:24] <markit> BajK: I'm talking about command line (aptitude) or kpackagekit
[20:24] <BajK> markit: ah
[20:24] <BajK> there is a filter for that
[20:24] <BajK> right of the search bar
[20:24] <BajK> you can click "Filter" and choose Free -> Only free software
[20:25] <James147> !gnash | markit
[20:25] <markit> James147: I don't need flash players, I need wav and dvd at the moment
[20:25] <markit> (thanks, I've already installed gnash)
[20:25] <markit> and was looking for an easy way to install all relevant Free software
[20:25] <markit> without the risk of enable proprietary repositories or install proprietary program
[20:26] <markit> (I have to send instructions to a friend)
[20:26] <markit> i.e. non-free-codecs  package seems good, but as far as I understand, I have to enable mediabunto repo, correct?
[20:27] <markit> something kpackagekit does not list...
[20:27] <markit> so I'm confused
[20:27] <keithzg> shouldn't have to, for DVDs there's a script likely already installed
[20:28] <keithzg> If the package libdvdread4 is installed, running "sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh" from the command line should pull in the right packages for reading dvds without enabling any extra repos.
[20:29] <markit> keithzg: but is a 2 step procedure
[20:30] <markit> keithzg: if I would have said "install whatever you want I don't care about freedom" kubuntu autolatically would have done this (and also the bad things like proprietary software)
[20:30] <markit> so woundering if there is a "easy" way to do what I want without injecting proprietary spyware in my computer
[20:30] <keithzg> markit: ...but, I mean, this is the way.
[20:30] <markit> (or the computer of my friend in this case)
[20:30] <markit> keithzg: ah, the only way, ok
[20:31] <markit> then I have to find the single packages for mp3 and wav, I suppose
[20:31] <markit> a long "hunting" procedure
[20:31] <keithzg> markit: libdvdread4 is probably already installed, if not it's in the main repos; the script just pulls in the decss and such libs which Ubuntu can't host direct for the aforementioned patent reasons
[20:31] <markit> wondering in what part of kubuntu the list of what to install is keept
[20:31] <delac> keithzg: unfortunately changing the file associations don't help. Dolphin still just runs the file if it is set as executable.
[20:31] <markit> keithzg: sure, I understand and would be able to do , but my friend is less "techie"
[20:32] <markit> keithzg: trying some kubuntu installation I've seen that you have a "popup" asking you if you want to install dvd support (don't remember the exact words)
[20:32] <markit> and it does it automatically, without you having to open the terminal
[20:32] <markit> so wondered if there is a package that does it in a single step
[20:33] <keithzg> markit: yeah, it's possible that something like that exists, but honestly then you'll have to give them complex instructions, whereas the command is just "copy-paste this into the terminal, then later press enter again."
[20:33] <markit> :)
[20:33] <markit> "what is a terminal?"
[20:34] <markit> "where is the "ok" button?" "what is 'enter'?"
[20:34] <markit> etc :)
[20:34] <keithzg> you're going to have that problem with the GUI method then too!
[20:34] <markit> (just exagerating a little, but you know what is the average level out there)
[20:34] <markit> keithzg: lol, probably, but will not be "because GNU/Linux is so difficoult you have to open that black window"
[20:35] <keithzg> Oh, yeah, sure. But that's why I often go with the CLI way, since it's way harder something to get people like that to navigate through complex windows
[20:35] <keithzg> markit: that, I shan't argue with; people associate text == hard, regardless of the actual circumstance *sigh*
[20:36] <ep> on 11.04 need to add ~/bin to the $PATH variable.   ~/.profile has code for this (not commented out btw)  I added these lines to ./bashrc, rebooted.  Didn't work.  How do I do this?
[20:37] <markit> keithzg: I've been shocked that I had to boot choosing a different kernel, and when he saw the grub menu said "hope you don't think I will have to use something like that!"
[20:37] <markit> and me "is just a matter of press "enter" or wait 10 senconds, where is the problem?"
[20:37] <markit> "but is HARD"
[20:37] <markit> I think M$empire has reduced brain capabilities of PC users to 0 or so
[20:38]  * markit is in rant mode
[20:38] <keithzg> Apple is to blame too . . . they won't even LET you cut and paste using keyboard shortcuts in their file manager anymore, WTF?
[20:40] <keithzg> ep: that's odd, have you tried then running bash deliberately from the terminal (I know, should be already the shell you're using, but still....)
[20:42] <keithzg> markit: looking at it, kubuntu-restricted-extras doesn't seem to actually depend on any version of flash, so you should be able to pull that one in safely for mp3s
[20:43] <keithzg> markit: looks like it's kubuntu-restricted-addons that includes flashplugin-installer. If you just look at the dependencies there, that should tell you what packages you need to install to get everything but avoid flash.
[20:43] <ep> keithzg: omg  i thought i previously created the 'bin' directory... but i didn't :-)  I'm gonna retry this
[20:44] <markit> keithzg: I've done an aptitude show kubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:44] <markit> and tells about flash and other "nice" proprietary things, as far as I understand
[20:44] <markit> keithzg: mmm dependencies, good suggestion
[20:44] <Zer0_1022> can anyone see this
[20:44] <markit> (I'm on debian, my netbook has kubuntu, let me test there)
[20:45] <Zer0_1022> hi everyone
[20:45] <keithzg> Zer0_1022: see you "loud and clear"
[20:45] <markit> btw, is so far successful upgrade 10.10 -> 11.04 rate good?
[20:45] <keithzg> markit: yeah, if you look at the dependencies for kubuntu-restricted-extras and kubuntu-restricted-addons, between the two you should be able to work out which packages you actually want
[20:45] <Zer0_1022> nice , i just kubuntu installed last night , been trying for a month to get it working
[20:46] <markit> keithzg: I've got the idea, very useful suggestion, thanks a lot
[20:46] <keithzg> markit: No problem. Before I run off, in regards to the upgrade, I have BIG problems on the one comp I've tried it on
[20:47] <markit> keithzg: (still booting) but as far as I remember was not for "wav" file format
[20:47] <Zer0_1022> i was trying to install maverick meerkat but i could only get to the text login screen and when i finally got the desktop up it gave me some kind of error and i looked online and they said the best thing to do was a fresh install
[20:47] <markit> keithzg: oh, better wait some days then
[20:47] <Zer0_1022> so i downloaded natty narwhal and had it installed and was on kubuntu in less than a hour
[20:47] <keithzg> markit: I was running the PPA for 4.6 on that computer, which was probably the root of the issue, but yeah, best to wait if there's no dire need
[20:48] <keithzg> Zer0_1022: heh, nice
[20:48] <markit> I've 4.6 ppa too! :)
[20:48] <Zer0_1022> i tried to get 10.10 working for at least 3 weeks
[20:48]  * keithzg runs out the door... never enough time in the day!
[20:49] <Zer0_1022> i had some questions and was trying to find somewhere i could get some answers in real time and ended up here
[20:50] <markit> keithzg: mm tehre is the warning "you should not install these packages directly..."
[20:51] <Zer0_1022> could someone help me out for a min
[20:51] <Zer0_1022> i just have a couple of questions
[20:52] <Zer0_1022> about KU
[20:54] <OerHeks> Zer0_1022, just ask, maybe someone knows the answer :-)
[20:55] <Who> guys my kubuntu installation is stuck restoring previously installed packages at 90%
[20:55] <Who> for about 30-45 mins
[20:55] <Zer0_1022> cani run .exe files on kubuntu. i downloaded a screensaver and its a .exe file and im not sure how to open it
[20:55] <Who> is that normal
[20:55] <Zer0_1022> and , will it work if i install it
[20:55] <wols> Who: probably not
[20:55] <OerHeks> an .exe is a windows-executable, ubuntu does not use those files.
[20:56] <Zer0_1022> i didnt think so , the site i got it from was supposed to be for kde or so i thought
[20:56] <wols> Zer0_1022: no you can't. you run run it under WINE but screensavers in .exe files are usually malware anyways
[20:56] <OerHeks> if you want to use windows programms, other than screensaver, Wine is the answer
[20:56] <wols> Who: on which package is it stuck?
[20:56] <Zer0_1022> what is wine
[20:56] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine
[20:57] <brian> Hello
[20:57] <brian> Is anyone on that would be willing to help me with an issue
[20:57] <wols> brian: never ask to ask
[20:57] <Who> wols: how to check that ?
[20:57] <Guest86473> Mmk
[20:57] <Guest86473> Well so
[20:57] <Zer0_1022> how do i get screensavers for kubuntu
[20:58] <Who> cause i only see a progress bar
[20:58] <wols> Who: top might tell
[20:58] <wols> Who: run pstree then you see what children there are for your gui packaging app. then use ps or top to check the commandlines of these children processes
[20:59] <Guest86473> I installed Ubuntu 10.10 awhile back.  That went fine.  My computer has the whole GRUB thingy goin on.  So on my GRUB menu are Ubuntu 10.10 and Windows 7.  Now I installed 11.04 on my Windows system, so the Ubuntu 11.04 is on the Windows Boot Loader.  How do I fix it so that the ubuntu 11.04 is the grub and the ubuntu 10.10 is gone?
[20:59] <wols> Zer0_1022: kde-look.org has some. and apt-cache search screensaver  should give you some too
[21:00] <Guest86473> Would just creating an Ubuntu 11.04 then deleting the Ubuntu 10.10 partition and installing 11.04 work
[21:00] <OerHeks> i was checking http://kubuntu-art.org/ but they don't provide screensavers, kde-look doos indeed
[21:00] <wols> Guest86473: do you really have two ubuntu partitions?
[21:01] <Guest86473> Yeah, it's a whole big mess.  I made a mistake.
[21:01] <Guest86473> actually
[21:01] <Guest86473> I'll try to explain
[21:01] <Who> well its look ubiquity or Knotify
[21:02] <Guest86473> So, in my windows disk manager, I deleted the Ubuntu 10.10 partition to start with a fresh 11.04.  That was a bad idea.  I soon realized that corrupted my GRUB.  So I couldn't boot into WIndows after that.  To fix that I reinstalled from an old 10.10 disc.
[21:02] <Guest86473> So thats why the 10.10 partition is existant.
[21:02] <Who> wols: well its look ubiquity or Knotify
[21:03] <wols> Who: you can kill the processes if you want and restart you upgrade later. ideally with apt-get upgrade or such
[21:03] <Guest86473> I think I might just try restarting with a Ubuntu 11.04 disc
[21:03] <Guest86473> Gotta go grab a blank one to burn though
[21:04] <PasNox> hello
[21:05] <wols> Guest86473: first thing you should do is make backups :)
[21:05] <PasNox> i m using a french apple aluminium keyboard zith natty and kde is running in qwerty mode
[21:05] <PasNox> it was working fine before the upgrade when running maaverick
[21:06] <Guest86473> wols: Yeah, all I really have to back up are some projects I was playing with in Visual Studio.  And my music library, but I have a copy of that with me at all times on my Droid 2.
[21:06] <PasNox> the tty are running fine in azerty ... any idea i m desperate right now
[21:09] <gomiboy> PasNox: open system settings --> Input devices and add your keyboard layout
[21:09] <areichman> hello. Just wanted to say thanks to everybody here. I just installed 11.04 and had a great system up and running in less than an hour with no hassles. Thanks for all the work that was put into it
[21:10] <PasNox> gomiboy: already done does not works
[21:10] <PasNox> it only works when i switch to generic 105 keys then back to apple
[21:13] <george_> Hello. Rekonq does not play any videos, but there is sound. Any way to fix it? Thanks.
[21:13] <Guest62421> ololo
[21:14] <Guest62421> привет всем
[21:18] <tommis> how can i sing buttons on my mouse to functions on kde?
[21:21] <kalib> How can I disable this kdewallet? I hate this ... everytime asking me for a password... :/
[21:22] <kalib> anyone?
[21:23] <gomiboy> kalib: System settings -> account details -> wallet -> disable
[21:23] <ruan> ...is the "run command" option on desktop for doing bash commands?
[21:23] <ruan> because i just did "sleep 4h 25m && wget url" and it suspended my machine twice
[21:25] <brian_> Does anyone here know how to switch from the GRUB bootloader back to my Windows 7 boot loader?
[21:25] <kalib> gomiboy, thanks
[21:25] <gomiboy> ruan: :) try deactivating powerdevil plugin in it's conf
[21:26] <wols> brian_: you boot from a windows CD, go into the repair console and run fixmbr and fixboot
[21:26] <gomiboy> brian_: win7 boot loader can't boot linux
[21:26] <wols> gomiboy: it can
[21:26] <wols> chainloading is always possible
[21:26] <ruan> gomiboy: thanks.
[21:27] <gomiboy> if you install grub on partition... maybe :)
[21:27] <wols> yes, linux needs its own bootloader as well, cause otherwise it can't boot
[21:28] <ruan> adding grub to win7 bootloader?
[21:33] <Zer0_1022> can anyone tell me how to get screensavers for Kubuntu 11.04
[21:33] <gomiboy> ruan: anyway i'd use an 'at' command instead of sleep 4h :)
[21:33] <Zer0_1022> im new to Linux and im trying to get some screensavers
[21:34] <tommis> Zer0_1022: goto kde-look.org
[21:36] <arpan> Zer0_1022: Kmenu -> System Settings -> Display & Monitor -> Screen Saver
[21:37] <arpan> Zer0_1022: once you go there, there should be a pop up in notification area asking if you want to install set of default screensavers.
[21:38]  * arpan is away: Gone away for now
[21:38] <mbishop> I upgraded to 11.04 the other day, and now Amarok streams don't display the stream info properly
[21:38] <mbishop> any idea/fix?
[21:38] <shadeslayer> mbishop: possible regression in amarok?
[21:39] <shadeslayer> the guys at #amarok might be able to shed more light on this
[21:39] <Zer0_1022> arpan , i went there and when the popup opened i closed it and now it wont pop back up
[21:39] <mbishop> shadeslayer: alright, I'll ask
[21:40] <ricardo> someone help me to use virtualbox
[21:41] <wols> ricardo: you need to ask more specific questions if you want help
[21:42] <ricardo> wols: I tring to install win7 but the virtualbox but the boot dont open with iso
[21:42] <ricardo> why/
[21:44] <Ademan> with the livecd I'm getting a monochrome dialog box stating kstartupconfig4 either doesn't exist or errored, the error code is 127 (not verbatim) `sudo service kdm restart` produces the same error
[21:53] <swattie> +Z
[21:59] <Ademan-kubuntu> odd, I just rebooted and tried again and had no problem
[21:59] <Ademan-kubuntu> It's been a long time since I've used KDE but this is great, it feels very polished, and is running well from the LiveCD on an ancient machine. My compliments to the KDE and Kubuntu teams
[22:03] <James147> bah and after all that it crashed right at the end
[22:14] <tommis> if i diss able kwin, and enable it again, my panel loses transparency even though kwin is running, how can i fix this behavior?
[22:17] <James147> tommis: disable kwin?
[22:20] <tommis> James147: yes
[22:20] <James147> tommis: what do you mean be that... if you kill kwin you lose the ability to focus on things and it becomes almost impossible to actuallt start it again
[22:21] <tommis> shift alt f2 is the keycombo
[22:21] <tommis> it isn't that hard...
[22:21] <James147> tommis: so desktop effects... thats only part of kwin :)
[22:21] <tommis> aah okay
[22:22] <tommis> sry, i am a newbie
[22:22] <James147> so your saying after you reenabled the desktop effects the panels stays non transparent?
[22:23] <tommis> yes
[22:24] <James147> tommis: hmm... well I would suggest creating a new user and see if the problem happens for them as well
[22:24] <tommis> this is a clean install
[22:25]  * James147 wonders why he always seems to suggest that as a debugging step for weird problems like this :S
[22:25] <James147> tommis: even a clean home drive?
[22:25] <tommis> yep
[22:28] <James147> tommis: then system settings > desktop effects > advanced... you could try playing wth thouse settings
[22:28] <James147> possibally disabling the functionaly checks
[22:31] <tommis> it is weird that all the other stuff turns back transparent
[22:45] <aguimaraes> hey there, i've just installed kubuntu on my vaio laptop but i can't seem to dim the screen brightness, the system recognizes the command but it doesn't really do anything. any ideias?
[22:59] <delac> does dolphin have any way to search hidden files?
[23:03] <harleen> hello
[23:04] <Ademan-kubuntu> so I stupidly set my bouncing ball widget to auto bounce, and set the amount wayyy too high, now I can't click on it to delete it. Is there a "proper" way to get rid of it or do I just kill whatever process is running it?
[23:04] <ubuntu> bk
[23:05] <James147> Ademan-kubuntu: well you cant kill it ^^ its part of the plasma-desktop process and killing that will also kill your desktop :)
[23:06] <Ademan-kubuntu> James147: thanks, sounds like I don't want to just kill the process, is there a plasmoid manager or something that I can use to properly get rid of it?
[23:08] <Ademan-kubuntu> James147: eh, finally managed to catch it haha
[23:08] <James147> Ademan-kubuntu: unfortunately not that I know of... Though a palsmoid manager dosnt sound like a bad idea for a project :)
[23:10] <brontosaurusrex> any ways to center widget on screen? or keep it centered?
[23:11] <Ademan-kubuntu> I don't know, but in that same vein, some sort of alignment tools would be really nice for aligning widgets, right now I'm just trying to eyeball alignments, and that's OK I guess, I dunno...
[23:11] <James147> ^^ there is the desktop grid activity
[23:27] <ep> i installed open-jdk, unfortunely there's a sound issue with a java app I run.   Is there an  help-file for either intalling both open-jdk and sun's jre?
[23:27] <ep> 11.04
[23:27] <James147> !java
[23:27] <James147> !partner
[23:31] <ep> James147: i can install sun's java via those instructions but what do I do about the open-jdk i already installed?   Purge it?  Remove it?   WHat's the specific aptitued command?
[23:32] <James147> ep: if it conflicts then it will be removed if not then you can ignore it .... if you want to make sure its removed then your can remove it.... if you want to make sure its pruged then you can purge it
[23:32] <ep> James147:  what's the difference between purge and remove ?
[23:33] <James147> purge removes associated config files
[23:34] <James147> generally removed is used if you know you want to reinstall it... or dont care about old configs... purge is used if you want to remove the configs
[23:35] <James147> either to reinstall it cleanly or if you dont want old configs on your system
[23:35] <ep> no risk of it removing something some other app needs?
[23:36] <James147> ep: the risk is they will be uninstalled with it
[23:36] <ep> ok, thanks
[23:36] <James147> ep: to avoid that install the replacment first...
[23:36] <ep> okay
[23:37] <Ademan-kubuntu> how does rekonq handle javascript? The Wikipedia page rekonq.kde.org both don't mention it
[23:37] <James147> ep: if they conflict then the old will be removed and the new installed... but what depends on it wont be touched
[23:42] <ep> James147: one final thing.   Do i substitute "natty" for "maverick"  in the repository url given in those instructions?
[23:45] <James147> yes
[23:53] <ep> James147:  I should of read the help file better because it would of told about running update-alternatives and selecting the java version i want to use.  You know how ppl are with help files :p    Anyway life is good now, thanks.