[01:58] <coz_> hey all
[10:11] <thorwil> from a quick skim, this looks like a great introduction to visual design: http://www.visualmess.com/
[13:35] <coz_>  by the way ,,, good day all  :)
[14:01] <coz_> who the hell is Ikonia?
[14:07] <vish> coz_: why? whats wrong?
[14:07] <vish> coz_: hez an op,  quick with the guns ;)
[14:08] <coz_> vish,  oh  I was doing support in #ubuntu and he asked me to "stop saying that"  which was on ly  to one user   " I hope you didnt use  rm -rf / "
[14:08] <coz_> vish,  i simply asked what he meant buy that
[14:08] <coz_> vish,   he woldnt explain so I confronted him in another channel
[14:08] <vish> hm..
[14:09] <coz_> vish,   he felt ...because he is ops that what he says is the final word  however ,, someone with ops also needs exceellent people skills
[14:09] <coz_> vish,  i cannot tolerate bad op  people skills,, there should be a point system for opts  :)
[14:10] <vish> coz_: well, you could mention that in #ubuntu-ops
[14:10] <coz_> vish,  nah ,,, I have been down this route before,,,  if I were a troll.. or intolerable in some way when i do support ,, i can understand
[14:11] <coz_> vish,  but i try my best to be as open and friendly and give full explanations  regardless
[14:12] <coz_> vish,    so  he goes on my  caca list   lol
[14:12] <coz_> for now anyway :)
[14:12] <vish> coz_: yea, ikonia can be a bit quick on the trigger often..
[14:12] <vish> coz_: caca?
[14:12] <coz_> vish,   caca is italian for  merde or   shit
[14:12] <coz_> oiio
[14:12] <coz_> poop
[14:13] <vish> haha!
[14:13] <coz_>  :)
[14:13] <coz_> we had a few "quick trigger" people in #compiz at the beginning including a developer
[14:14] <coz_> vish,  I had to threaten to leave the support team if something wasnt done
[14:14] <coz_> but it turned out that most of the developers and support team agreed with me,, and devs have no control over support channel now
[14:15] <coz_> well now there are only 2 of us left as support  :(
[14:15] <vish> :s
[14:16] <coz_> vish,  he said he would explain later "why"  but in my opinion ,, the explanation has to come with the request  otherwise you only alienate people
[14:18] <vish> coz_: i think some of the ops have highlights for that command, and he might not have read the context
[14:19] <coz_> vish,  well he may have been correct ,, but that wasnt the issue,, it was  an outright "demand"  with no explanation,, I cant tolerate that,, it alienates people,, and as much as I was offended by it,, and its results as making me look foolish,, it was more damaging to others  in the channel,,
[14:20] <vish> :(
[14:20] <coz_> that was what made me angry,,, an op MUST have exceptional people skills or he shouldnt have ops
[14:20] <vish> yea..
[14:21] <coz_> vish,  well thank you very much for letting me vent my feelings :)  I appreciate it  for sure
[14:22] <vish> np.. :)
[17:49]  * darkmatter does flappy arm motion in the direction of coz_
[17:49] <coz_> hey buy
[17:49] <coz_> hey guy
[17:50] <darkmatter> what are you up to this fine sunday?
[17:50] <darkmatter> I say "fine" because our "spontaneous, one day winter" has ended. lol
[17:53] <coz_> darkmatter,  arguing in #ubuntu-offtopic with a few idiots  that seem to think they know everythin and of course that means I am wrong in their eyes lol
[17:53] <darkmatter> lol
[18:49] <coz_> oh boy ,, that ikonia guy is a real PITA
[18:52] <darkmatter> *nods*
[18:58] <tsimpson> coz_: insulting people is not CoC friendly
[18:58] <coz_> tsimpson,  well this is true which is why I mentioned that
[18:59] <coz_> tsimpson,  I am a very calm guy,, i generally get along with everyone,, no grudges or foul play or foul mouth,,, and I have decent people skills,,  withouth them no one should have ops,,, or evern do support
[19:00] <coz_> and I also realize people have bad days
[19:00] <coz_> I myself have one today as a result of ... someon on irc,, but I have let it go for the most part,, although i have already gotten PM's about particular behaviors with individuals
[19:01] <coz_> so apologies to all offended by my statement,, i will not let it happen again
[19:02] <tsimpson> if you have an issue with someone, try and work it out with them first. we're all human and sometimes forget that real people are at the other end of our messages
[19:02] <tsimpson> if that fails, you can either let it go, or take it up with soma authority, in this case the irc council
[19:03] <tsimpson> my point being, trying to work things out is a good thing :)
[19:03] <coz_> tsimpson,  yes ,, unfortunately ,, reasoning with this particular person brought out more offensive behavior
[19:03] <coz_> on his pare
[19:03] <coz_> on  his part
[19:04] <coz_> tsimpson,  I agree with you totally,, there are moments... as i am sure you have experienced,, when rational talk  does nothing to put out flames
[19:04] <tsimpson> absolutely
[19:05] <coz_> so I just go on assuming nothing has happened.. best way to undermine arrogance anyway :)
[19:09] <darkmatter> coz_: often rational behaviour incites more flames. lol
[19:09] <darkmatter> "quit ignoring my excellent insults you b***!" goes the offending brain :P
[19:09] <coz_> darkmatter,  boy that's is unfortunately the truth
[19:09] <coz_> darkmatter,  and :)  to second comment :)
[19:10] <coz_> I just find this kind of behavior puzzling,, especially for someone with ops  or doing support,, the key is the user not the supporter or ops
[19:10] <coz_> I think the responsiblility is somewhat humbling  not ego boosting
[19:13] <darkmatter> coz_: It's usually some level of narcissism that causes it. although sometime the person is just a... hmmm... how to word this as channel-friendly?
[19:13] <darkmatter> "gaping donkey butt"? ;)
[19:13] <coz_> darkmatter,  I like that ,, "gaping donkey butt"  gdb
[19:13] <coz_> :)
[19:15] <vish> so i ran into gdb, err … darkmatter, and we discussed the irony of life …
[19:16]  * darkmatter beats vish with a blackjack
[19:16] <coz_> :)
[19:17]  * darkmatter is deciding whether or not to start on gtk work today
[19:49] <coz_>  be back in a bit