[00:15] <kristian_> what's the cool way to backup some really small files to a network something something?
[00:16] <kristian_> I have a script that emails them to me... I'd like another option as well
[00:21] <ghostnappa> Hey
[00:22] <ghostnappa> Okay guys, I have a problem. On my main PC, various shmup games seem to be uncontrollable. Most think that I am holding up+left, but rrootage just doesn't move at all. it happens on ubuntu variants, fedora, and every other linux install that I have tried so it isn't just ubuntu exclusive. Testing in a liveCD environment between two seperate PC's reveals that this is only a problem with my PC and not the other
[00:22] <ghostnappa> one. This is a problem with native games, WINE, and MAME. But seems to only be effecting games with joystick support. I honestly have no idea where to start searching for answers here, but thought this could be a decent starting point.
[00:23] <ghostnappa> I have no joysticks, just using a standard keyboard and mouse
[00:34] <SerialMDK> anyone here help me with a problem?
[00:35] <ghostnappa> I could try
[00:35] <ghostnappa> but I have my own problem to figure out too
[00:35] <ghostnappa> so depends what it is
[00:35] <SerialMDK> ubuntu will not install
[00:36] <SerialMDK> i hit install to hdd and the screen goes black
[00:36] <ghostnappa> 11.04 I am guessing?
[00:36] <SerialMDK> yes
[00:37] <SerialMDK> i tried many diff cd's and flash drives
[00:37] <SerialMDK> all do the same thing
[00:37] <ghostnappa> interesting, haven't heard of that problem before. Did you have the same problem on older ubuntu distro's?
[00:37] <SerialMDK> i had 9.1 worked fine
[00:38] <SerialMDK> updated to 10.02 and it didnt work
[00:38] <SerialMDK> and i did x32 and x64 11.04
[00:38] <ghostnappa> I think that may be out of my own reach. You could try the
[00:38] <ghostnappa> #ubuntu channel
[00:38] <ghostnappa> they have a lot more active people on there than this place
[00:38] <SerialMDK> i figured since im a noob id try here first
[00:39] <SerialMDK> thank you anyways
[00:39] <ghostnappa> No problem
[01:20] <neo_> hi
[01:25] <neo_> help
[01:28] <duanedesign> hello
[01:33] <neo_> How can i install vlc media player on ubuntu 11.04?
[01:33] <neo_> please help !
[01:37] <duanedesign> hello neo_
[01:39] <duanedesign> neo_: you can install it from the terminal using the apt-get command or you can install it using the Software Center
[01:41] <duanedesign> neo_: if you click the Ubuntu logo in the top left, and in the Dash type 'sof'. You should see the Software Center.
[01:41] <duanedesign> or you can open a Terminal and run the command:  sudo apt-get install vlc vlc-plugin-pulse mozilla-plugin-vlc
[01:43] <neo_> thank you
[01:43] <neo_> downloading ...
[02:54] <Dangr_> Hey there - I upgraded to 11.04 and have dual monitors - however I can't move a window from one monitor to another
[02:54] <Dangr_> any ideas as to why that is happening?
[02:55] <Dangr_> When I drag the window to the side to move to another monitor it resizes to half the screen size - Windows 7 style
[03:00] <coalwater> i think if u install ccsm or something u can control it
[07:10] <helloEARTH> can anyone point me to the right direction to enable ubuntu 11.04 to network with windows?
[07:11] <MrChrisDruif> samba?
[07:12] <helloEARTH> ok, reading up on it right now
[08:40] <virgo> hi
[08:41] <virgo> i have ubuntu 10.10 Netbook and for some time now my software center doesnt work
[08:42] <virgo> when i execute it, the window never appeares, it only shows on taskbar for few sec
[09:46] <Puck`> hey guys
[09:46] <Puck`> is there any way i can add the Desktop shortcut to Unity? (:
[09:57] <th^^> pfhffpfpf, how hard it can be to capture audio from applications :p
[09:57] <th^^> these pulseaudio/soundrecorder guides are just failing for me :p
[10:01] <th^^> audacity seems to have nice little dropdown for input source, why the heck normal sound recorder doesn't have this
[10:21] <eiriksvin> grrrr i cant get my flash to play certain videos
[11:19] <JustMeDude> hi can someone pls help, somehow I corrupted my top bar and the launcher in 11.04, was messing with compiz to get transparency back
[11:39] <nlsthzn-work> :/ 4 minutes and no answer and the person leaves... even a burger at McDonalds takes longer
[12:18] <dr0pb3ar> quick question. I have 2 networks at home a wired and a wireless, each on their own router with their own staticIP. I understand that network manager chooses the strongest connection and dropps the others temporarily. Is there a way of keeping both connections alive? only the wireless one is used to connect to the internet
[12:19] <dr0pb3ar> so I need to keep the wireless network alive and running even when the wired connection is running simultaneously
[12:19] <dr0pb3ar> hope that makes sense
[13:04] <Daniel0108> hi
[13:04] <ikt> heya
[14:14] <Daniel0108> I have to reinstall my ubuntu, because I messed up my firewall config, even when I flush iptables it's still blocking connections :/ Which version should I install? 10.04, 10.10 or 11.04?
[14:19] <dr0pb3ar> depends which one you like...
[14:24] <Daniel0108> dr0pb3ar: 10.10 and 10.04 :P
[14:25] <dr0pb3ar> I just updated to 11.04 and am finding the new layout a bit difficult
[14:25] <dr0pb3ar> it maximises the screen. I find everything a bit less accessible though
[14:26] <Daniel0108> dr0pb3ar: I don't like unity, and the gnome in 11.04 is a bit buggy, I'll choose 10.04, it's LT
[14:26] <Daniel0108> S
[15:15] <Dangr_> Hey there everyone - I upgrade to 11.04 - but decided its not for me - I installed using Wubi but would like to go back to 10.10 or 10.04 with Wubi - how can I do that?
[15:16] <Dangr_> I saw that putting an iso in the same folder as Wubi was supposed to work - but putting 10.10 cd Desktop ISO in a folder with Wubi didn't seem to work
[15:16] <holstein> you can uninstall wubis like windows software Dangr_
[15:17] <holstein> just backup your data
[15:17] <holstein> remove it
[15:17] <Dangr_> holstein: Yep I just did that - which is cake :)
[15:17] <holstein> and reinstall whatever version you'd like
[15:17] <Dangr_> holstein: well I'd like to use Wubi again - but I can't seem to figure out how to get Wubit to pick 10.10 and not 11.04
[15:18] <holstein> Dangr_: you need to get the specific wubi
[15:18] <holstein> or use the wubi thats on the install disc
[15:18] <holstein> *if its on the install disc
[15:19] <Dangr_> holstein: I suspected as much - any leads on where I can obtain that?
[15:19] <holstein> Dangr_: i prefer using the one on the disc
[15:19] <holstein> since you wont have to go and download the iso
[15:19] <Dangr_> holstein: Live CD? or mail order? Is there a difference?
[15:20] <holstein> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[15:20] <holstein> Dangr_: ?
[15:20] <Dangr_> holstein: oh my
[15:20] <holstein> you have to make the live CD
[15:20] <Dangr_> holstein: I should have just read a little more....
[15:20] <Dangr_> holstein: Sorry :)
[15:20] <holstein> the mail order one comes to you
[15:21] <holstein> Dangr_: no worries :)
[15:21] <Dangr_> holstein: http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/
[15:21] <Dangr_> Its right at the bottom :-P
[15:21] <holstein> all the official iso's should be the same
[15:21] <Dangr_> yeah tahts what I thought too - but then I doubted myself
[15:21] <holstein> live will be different from alternate
[15:21] <Dangr_> right right- is it just a difference in desktop environments?
[15:22] <holstein> live and alternate, the installer is different
[15:22] <holstein> and the alternate has not live environment
[15:22] <holstein> but you end up with the same thing
[15:22] <holstein> after installing
[15:22] <holstein> *assuming you want that
[15:22] <holstein> from the alternate CD
[15:22] <Dangr_> ooo ok I see
[15:22] <holstein> you can do different things
[15:22] <holstein> like a command line only install
[15:23] <Dangr_> One day I'll be man enough to brave that
[15:24] <holstein> no reason
[15:24] <holstein> if you need it, you'll know
[15:24] <holstein> and just do it
[15:24] <Dangr_> holstein: right right - thanks for your help as usual - I'll be back in a bit
[15:25] <holstein> Dangr_: o/
[15:25] <Dangr_> holstein: gonna give this a whirl
[15:25] <MrChrisDruif> Good luck Dangr_
[15:32] <preyas1> sir i wanna change my wallpaper but i am not able to do it
[15:32] <preyas1> through appearance
[15:32] <preyas1> instead that a solid color is coming
[15:34] <holstein> preyas1: 11.04?
[15:34] <preyas1> yes
[15:34] <holstein> unity?
[15:34] <preyas1> i installed gnome 3
[15:34] <preyas1> which works perfectly
[15:34] <holstein> yeah?
[15:34] <preyas1> yeah
[15:34] <holstein> how about changing the wallpaper?
[15:34] <holstein> hows that going ;)
[15:35] <preyas1> my wall paper is not changing
[15:35] <preyas1> this is the problem which is jst caused
[15:35] <preyas1> when i installed some prrograms
[15:38] <holstein> preyas1: hmmm
[15:38] <holstein> im not sure what to suggest
[15:38] <holstein> where are you getting gnome3?
[15:38] <holstein> ppa?
[15:38] <preyas1> yes
[15:38] <preyas1> after adding it
[15:39] <preyas1> my theme was the old one
[15:39] <preyas1> i corrected it by using two commands
[15:39] <holstein> i think your going to have to look for help in some gnome channels
[15:39] <preyas1> k
[15:40] <holstein> i bet the first thing is going to be the version though
[15:40] <preyas1> k
[15:40] <ikt> holstein, rofl
[15:40] <holstein> maybe need to get the most recent
[15:40] <holstein> or see whats in the ppa
[15:40] <holstein> ikt: ?
 how about changing the wallpaper? <- :D
[15:41] <preyas1> k
[15:41] <preyas1> i ll find in gnome channels
[15:41] <preyas1> can u give me the gnome server
[15:41] <holstein> preyas1: good luck
[15:41] <preyas1> thx
[15:41] <holstein> you can hang here as long as you like though
[15:41] <holstein> im not kicking you out :)
[15:41] <preyas1> k
[15:42] <preyas1> i mean what is the name of gnome server like this server name is#ubuntu-beginners-team
[15:43] <holstein> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels
[15:43] <preyas1> holstein, thx
[16:31] <Froq> does anyone know @ what speed a CD can write?  Does it top off @ 1MB/sec?  or what?
[16:44] <Froq> naveed: hello
[16:44] <naveed> hmmm:)
[16:45] <naveed> Froq:) i m here too :) bro
[16:45] <justas> simply guide how how install programs ? like install_flash_player__linux.deb   ?
[16:46] <naveed> Justas :  there are few way to install it ...
[16:46] <naveed> Justas : go to application menu and you will see Ubutu Software center option
[16:46] <Froq> how do I flush out my IP settings?
[16:46] <Sidewinder1> justas: Synaptic Package Manager is your friend.
[16:47] <punguy> I had trouble with flash player install yesterday when I tried installing from browser. I used synaptic package manager searched for flash and installed the package for flash for mozilla and it worked just fine.
[16:47] <Sidewinder1> What punguy said!
[16:48] <Froq> how do I flush out my IP settings?
[16:48] <justas> ok , i open sunaptic package manager , now what ? (ssorry very new linux user , dont know basic whing s)
[16:48] <Froq> nvm I got it... so guys, everytime I try to make my IP a static IP, it messes up... and I lose connectivity. I don't know why.
[16:48] <naveed> Froq?  i did not get your point bro? mean you want to change setting ???
[16:49] <naveed> Justas: you will see search option
[16:49] <justas> yes i see
[16:49] <naveed> type software name
[16:50] <naveed> justas. it will give you list of software and then chose your required software from list and select Install by cliking right on that software
[16:50] <Froq> naveed: well I am trying to set my IP to a static IP but when I do, I lose all connectivity to the internet, I know I have my netmask and gateway correct
[16:50] <Sidewinder1> justas: Or click on anything in the list and type flash.
[16:51] <naveed> Froq :  hmm it should work bro..i have also static address
[16:52] <Sidewinder1> Froq: Why not just leave it "dynamic" it should still bind to whatever IP you're assigned?
[16:53] <Froq> yeah, I guess.
[16:53] <Froq> huh.... just wanted to forward my ssh port 22 to the computer, so I can log to it later.
[16:53] <Froq> naveed: so how did you add additional channels to xChat?
[16:54] <Froq> naveed: nvm i got it
[16:54] <Sidewinder1> Server-->join channel
[16:54] <Sidewinder1> Ot List of cahnnels
[16:54] <naveed> froq: okay
[16:54] <Sidewinder1> Or
[16:54] <Froq> aw.... now i am on both.
[16:54] <Sidewinder1> Close one
[16:56] <truepurple> Hello
[16:58] <naveed> truepurple: Hi
[16:58] <truepurple> I need some help with ATI drivers
[16:58] <Froq> when i st my IPv4 so static, I lose connectivity, anyone know why?
[16:58] <Froq> i have all my info set correctly (i believe)
[16:59] <truepurple> th^^: You there?
[16:59] <Froq> IP Address: 192.168.1.155
[16:59] <Froq> Broadcast Address: 192.168.1.255 ; Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0 ; Default route: 192.168.1.1
[16:59] <th^^> truepurple: sup?
[16:59] <truepurple> froq: You sure your ISP is capapable of static?
[16:59] <escott> Froq, can you ping numeric addresses?
[16:59] <truepurple> Still having that problem from yesterday
[17:00] <Froq> truepurple: well I am running from my router, so yes my router can do static
[17:00] <escott> truepurple, thats not his ISP thats his router
[17:00] <truepurple> I know that is his internal IP
[17:00] <truepurple> But he said static, and internal IP being static is a given
[17:00] <Froq> yeah I can ping it.
[17:01] <naveed> do you set DNS
[17:01] <naveed> ???
[17:01] <Froq> naveed: no DNS set
[17:01] <naveed> Froq; you must add DNS IP address
[17:01] <truepurple> th^^: Got any other ideas?
[17:01] <Froq> naveed: o you have too?!  I didn't know that.  lol... lets see if that fixes it.
[17:01] <th^^> uhm, not really, except clean install :p
[17:02] <naveed> Froq: do this and
[17:02] <truepurple> How does one move /home from one partition to another BTW? Can one just copy/paste?
[17:02] <escott> Froq, without dns you can't convert www.ubuntu.com into numbers to connect to.
[17:02] <th^^> truepurple: if you have another partition, you can copy your /home/foo folder there, then mount it as /home when reinstalling
[17:02] <Froq> naveed: I thought my router would resolve teh DNS issue, and send it out.
[17:02] <escott> truepurple, be sure to use the archive flag in the copy to preserve permissions and ownership
[17:02] <truepurple> foo?
[17:03] <th^^> foo, your username :P
[17:03] <escott> Froq, you are explicitely disabling that by going static
[17:03] <Froq> naveed: wow... what a stupid mistake on my part... that is why I coudl ping it from within the network, but could not reach outside the netwrk... tahnks
[17:03] <Froq> escott: that I didn't realize, thanks guys!  what do you recommend I put down as my DNS server?
[17:03] <escott> Froq, if you want a pc to have a consistent address your router can map the mac address to the ip and use the rest for dhcp
[17:03] <truepurple> I don't understand, I thought the folder with ones username came before home
[17:03] <Froq> @ the moment, I just went with Google, 8.8.8.8
[17:04] <naveed> Froq: ) hahahahah:) good
[17:04] <escott> Froq, so you have mac address 01:23:45... assigned to 192.168.1.50 and dhcp leases for 192.168.1.100 and up
[17:04] <Froq> escott: yeah, I know it can, and I am rocking DD-WRT, however, when glancing around in there last night I couldn't find it for the life of me... I know it is there, but now I cannot find it.. :/
[17:04] <truepurple> escott: how do I do that
[17:05] <th^^> truepurple: you cannot "move" home to it's own partition, you need to make new partitions first, mount somewhere (lets say /foo), then copy your /home/<username> folder to as /foo/<username>
[17:05] <naveed> any one try to mount exFAT partition in Ubuntu ??
[17:05] <escott> truepurple, cp -aR /home /newhome
[17:05] <th^^> then you can mount this partition which was mounted as /foo in your current installation, as /home when reinstalling
[17:05] <escott> truepurple, you actually want to do that as sudo cp
[17:05] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, The default set up is /home/truepurple
[17:06] <truepurple> escott: Sorry to be so dense but I am not understanding most of what your saying
[17:06] <th^^> escott: i think the issue here is that he doesn't have separate /home partition, just one big / and he'd need to do reinstall..
[17:06] <Froq> escott: I found it! :)  Duh, I just missed it, and I think I will go that way so then it is easier!
[17:06] <Froq> thanks guys!
[17:06] <truepurple> I can create another partition
[17:06] <escott> th^^, he can do that, his first step is to move the data onto / and then resize
[17:06] <truepurple> That is not a issue
[17:07] <truepurple> escott: What do you mean by "mount somewhere"?
[17:07] <th^^> then create one, format it as ext4, and mount it to *any* /location :)
[17:07] <escott> truepurple, cp -R (recursive) -a (archive preserves ownership and permissions) /source/path /dest/path
[17:07] <th^^> or, you can just click the partition in nautilus i guess
[17:07] <th^^> ctrl-c your home folder, and paste to new partition
[17:08] <truepurple> escott said I couldn't just move /home to a new partition, I had to mount or something
[17:08] <escott> Froq, i think tomato firmware has been getting a bit more support than dd-wrt recently you might try it
[17:08] <truepurple> but the terminology eludes me
[17:08] <escott> truepurple, th^^ said that not me
[17:08] <escott> truepurple, what do you want to accomplish?
[17:08] <Froq> escott: o man, really!  okay... I will have to look into changing it over then.
[17:08] <truepurple> oh right
[17:09] <Froq> anyone know why DD-WRT is losing support?
[17:09] <escott> the dd-wrt developer wanted to start charging money, and there were gpl violation concenrs
[17:09] <escott> at least thats my understanding... i didn't follow it all too closely
[17:09] <truepurple> escott: Nothing yet, I am weighing my options. But one possible option is to move /home to a new parttition I would create to preserve data, then reinstall ubuntu freesh
[17:10] <escott> truepurple, so you have single partition for everything, and you want to split it into / and /home
[17:10] <truepurple> escott: Is it as easy as moving /home to said new partition?
[17:10] <Froq> escott: ok.  thank you for explanation!
[17:10] <truepurple> escott: No, I don't need to split the current partition, most of my HDD is unpartitioned
[17:11] <escott> truepurple, you have to create that partition to start with.
[17:11] <escott> truepurple, ok word of warning ANY attempt to modify partitions CAN lead to data lose. make sure you have backups of anything critical
[17:11] <truepurple> escott: Of course, that's obvious and I said so
[17:11] <truepurple> escott: I don't need to modify any partitions!
[17:12] <escott> truepurple, so if you already have your new partition formated you need to mount it
[17:12] <truepurple> escott: Is it as simple as moving /home onto a new partition?
[17:12] <escott> so sudo mkdir /newhome; sudo mount /dev/sda# /newhome
[17:12] <truepurple> escott: What do you mean by mount?
[17:12] <th^^> rather just copy it
[17:12] <escott> sudo cp -aR /home /newhome
[17:12] <escott> then verify that everything in /newhome looks good
[17:12] <truepurple> escott: I don't have the partition yet, but I will, thats not difficult
[17:13] <escott> then you can sudo mv /home /oldhome; sudo mv /newhome /home; modify fstab as needed; reboot
[17:13] <truepurple> escott: What do you mean by mount? What do you mean by mount?
[17:13] <escott> truepurple, mount attaches a device filesystem to the tree
[17:13] <th^^> truepurple: you can just click the new partition in file manager
[17:13] <th^^> and it "mounts"
[17:13] <th^^> then you can copy stuff there
[17:14] <truepurple> escott: Does this need to be done under the new install or the old one?
[17:14] <th^^> old one
[17:14] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, Open Nautilus, on the left panel right click on the partition and click on Mount.
[17:15] <truepurple> What happens if I didn't mount it?
[17:15] <Froq> how do you open an app via terminal in ubuntu?  Like it OsX, it was "open -a Firefox.app"
[17:15] <Sidewinder1> No mount; no copy, or anything else.
[17:15] <escott> truepurple, if you don't mount then you are copying files to the same filesystem
[17:15] <escott> truepurple, so they would end up on the same partition
[17:16] <truepurple> escott: So linux can't use any partition it hasn't mounted?
[17:16] <escott> Froq, in unity 11.04 click on the ubuntu icon in the top left and type terminal
[17:16] <escott> truepurple, exactly
[17:16] <Sidewinder1> Froq: Simply type Firefox in terminal.
[17:16] <Sidewinder1> No need for the "open".
[17:17] <truepurple> escott: So how to I tell the new install to use the old /home on the new partition?
[17:17] <Froq_> escott, I know that would work, but I just want to knwo how to start apps via terminal in ubuntu?
[17:18] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, The new install will do it automatically.
[17:18] <escott> truepurple, new-old-new im getting confused. can we use drive names and partitions sda1 and ubuntu version numbers 11.04 instead
[17:18] <escott> Froq_, sorry just type fire[TAB]
[17:18] <Froq_> Sidewinder1, ... figured it out!  I was capitalizing my F in firefox!   thz
[17:18] <truepurple> Sidewinder1: Because its named /home?
[17:19] <Sidewinder1> Froq, No prob.
[17:19] <truepurple> escott: That would be confusing for me
[17:20] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, the new install will look for /home/your_user-name and install your home directory there.
[17:20] <Froq_> well see ya guys!  have a good day.  Time to go get my study on. :(  PEACE
[17:20] <Sidewinder1> Bye Froq_
[17:20] <truepurple> Sidewinder1: So I need to use the same user name as last time or it won't work?
[17:22] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, Not really; if you've copied all of your home settings to the "new" partition; the new install will create a brand new /home/your_username directory..
[17:22] <Sidewinder1> Hope that makes sense.
[17:24] <Sidewinder1> It would be best, however to keep the same user name; that way you'll not have any "permission" problems.
[17:25] <truepurple> Sidewinder1: If it makes a new directory, what about the directory I copied over from the previous install, andd the files within??
[17:25] <Sidewinder1> Directories and partitions are two entirely different things.
[17:26] <truepurple> I know that
[17:26] <Sidewinder1> Sorry
[17:26] <Sidewinder1> Guess I'm not making myself clear :-(
[17:26] <truepurple> But you said the new install would create a brand new directory
[17:27] <truepurple> I want it to use the old directory copied over from the old install
[17:27] <Sidewinder1> Yes: /home/your-user-name
[17:27] <escott> truepurple, have you already done your new install?
[17:27] <truepurple> No, I am just learning how to do it right now
[17:27] <escott> as im understanding what you are saying you want to have two ubuntu installs on the same computer and then copy the home from the old to the new
[17:28] <escott> in which case i would do your new install first
[17:28] <Sidewinder1> Then you simply copy from your separate /home/your_username to the new home....
[17:28] <escott> then copy the data
[17:29] <truepurple> escott: No
[17:29] <Sidewinder1> escott: Unless I'm misunderstanding him/her, all he's looking for is a separate home dir on another partition
[17:29] <Sidewinder1> ???
[17:30] <escott> Sidewinder1, your guess is as good as mine. im horribly confused about what is going on. something was said about a new install
[17:30] <Sidewinder1> That way a fresh install can be done without loosing all of the previous user settings?
[17:30] <truepurple> escott: From what I understand, I can copy my /home onto a second partition. Format over my current install of ubuntu  for a new install, then use  the same  /home I copied from before
[17:31] <Sidewinder1> YES!!!!
[17:32] <truepurple> But someone spoke of the new install making a new directory, rather then using the old one I copy over
[17:32] <truepurple> At least that is how it sounded to me
[17:32] <kristian_> hurm
[17:32] <escott> truepurple, the new install will create a /home directory, but it can be made empty and your new partition mounted onto that /home
[17:33] <kristian_> should I go with a custom install from mini.iso or Lubuntu....?
[17:33] <escott> so that when you go to /home in the new system you are actually seeing your partition
[17:33] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, Please go here; it's a tutorial to do EXACTLY what you are requesting: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[17:34] <truepurple> escott: Sorry, but I am having a hell of a time understanding what you just said
[17:34] <escott> so / is on partition 1 and your home data on partition 2 and /home is a folder on partition 1, but partition 2 is mounted onto /home so that when you go to /home you end up in partition 2
[17:34] <Sidewinder1> Hope that helps!
[17:35] <escott> when you mount /dev/sda2 onto /home then /home becomes a window into /dev/sda2
[17:35] <Sidewinder1> Wow, got quiet, all of a sudden.
[17:36] <truepurple> escott: So how does the new install creating a new directory play into this? That is the thing I have been told that confuses me most
[17:37] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, Please see my link, above.
[17:37] <Sidewinder1> It explains everything.
[17:37] <escott> truepurple, well there are two approaches you may be able to tell the new install to use the home you plan to create, or you could set it up post install (just modifying /etc/fstab)
[17:38] <Sidewinder1> OMG...
[17:39] <Sidewinder1> escott, May I PM you?
[17:39] <escott> sure
[17:43] <truepurple> Well that information on the webpage isn't for a fresh install
[17:44] <truepurple> So if I set it up post install, the new install doesn't create a /home directory escott?
[17:45] <escott> truepurple, lets focus on the problem at hand.. namely copying the data in /home to the new partition
[17:45] <truepurple> You told me the command to do that
[17:46] <truepurple> escott: Please help me understand this key aspect of the whole thing, perhaps by answering that question
[17:47] <escott> truepurple, its tough to explain this... its just "how it works" my view on this is run the command, see what it does, come to understand how it works
[17:47] <escott> truepurple, but if you would feel more comfortable with a gui then i'm sure there are gui approaches
[17:48] <truepurple> escott: Ok, lets move on a moment then. Can I have windows use ubuntus /home directory for files too?
[17:49] <escott> truepurple, its not advisable for a number of reasons
[17:49] <escott> a) windows can't open ubuntu's prefered filesystem format (ext4)
[17:49] <truepurple> I could use ext3 or ntsf
[17:49] <Sidewinder1> Windows can not see an ext-3 or ext-4 without a specific driver for same.
[17:49] <escott> b) ubuntu support for windows filesystem (ntfs) while good is not perfect
[17:49] <truepurple> I could install the driver
[17:49] <escott> c) ubuntu would have lots of files you wouldn't want windows touching and vice-versa
[17:50] <truepurple> Why?
[17:50] <Sidewinder1> But, why would you want to?
[17:50] <escott> if you have a big partition of music files you could put those on something like ntfs and share that folder
[17:50] <truepurple> Because, if I have a game save from linux, I might want to load it in windows and visa versa. I make alot of text files to keep track of information
[17:51] <truepurple> I might want to use open office or something and open those files in either OS, rather then constantly duplicating the information or being able to access them from only one OS
[17:51] <escott> truepurple, its best practice to create a partition in windows (drive letter) explicitly for sharing, and share only files in that folder
[17:51] <truepurple> Its frankly too messy if they can't share the same saves and stuff
[17:52] <truepurple> escott, then can I have linux not use /home at all, but use that instead?
[17:52] <escott> so on windows you would save files to d:\ and they would appear in ubuntu's /media/windows or some such
[17:53] <escott> truepurple, i wouldn't recommend that because its too easy for the configuration of your desktop environment (favorite applications, button order, etc) to get messed up by windows
[17:53] <truepurple> How is that?
[17:54] <escott> truepurple, they are different systems, and they don't understand what is important to each other
[17:54] <Froq> what files is he wanting to share?
[17:55] <truepurple> So if I tell say open office in windows to use the same folder as open office in ubuntu to save its files, they might mess each other up?
[17:55] <truepurple> I mean the OS?
[17:55] <truepurple> If I told the programs to use the same save spots, ubunutu and win7 could get messed up?
[17:56] <Froq> truepurple: why not use Wine & install Office, then have office installed on Windows too, then have ubuntu "auto" mount the windows drive with the data....
[17:56] <Froq> If you are really worried, just partition the documents folder on its own share in windows.
[17:56] <truepurple> Because why emulate when you can run natively
[17:57] <Froq> truepurple: as long as you plan to run OpenOffice on both machines?
[17:57] <truepurple> And I don't think battle for wesnoth would run nearly as nice in a emulation mode
[17:57] <truepurple> Its silly to use wine when I can run the same program natively
[17:57] <truepurple> If I told the programs to use the same save spots, ubunutu and win7 could get messed up?
[17:58] <truepurple> Yes/NO?
[17:58] <Froq> truepurple: it isn't that black & white bro.  the answer would be "maybe"
[17:59] <escott> Froq, he wanted to share his /home im more worried his desktop config will get destroyed by accident in windows
[17:59] <escott> truepurple, the problem is this... windows has hidden folders, and so does ubuntu.
[17:59] <escott> but they way they hide them is different
[17:59] <Froq> escott: that is why I mentioned not sharing his home.  make an independent partition for them to swap with
[17:59] <Froq> escott: yeah, if he does that, I agree, not a good idea.
[17:59] <truepurple> But the files I want to share wouldn't be hidden
[17:59] <escott> if you try to share your home then you will see stuff you shouldnt see
[18:00] <escott> and if you delete it then you will break things
[18:00] <truepurple> And I don't care about hidden files, I unhide them most of the time anyway
[18:00] <escott> so you should create a partition for your shared files
[18:00] <truepurple> Granted it can make finding the files you want harder
[18:00] <Froq> truepurple: yea, just create a partition, not reason not too!
[18:00] <escott> under windows it will be a drive, under linux it will map to a folder
[18:00] <truepurple> So again I ask, I can have ubuntu save files outside of /home?
[18:01] <Froq> escott: couldn't he create a symbolic link in his home folder to the partitioned drive in ubuntu?
[18:01] <Froq> truepurple: yes you can.
[18:02] <truepurple> So why don't I want windows to use /home? Because of seeing hidden files only?
[18:03] <truepurple> I mean for saving files and stuff
[18:03] <truepurple> saves mostly
[18:03] <escott> truepurple, and the filesystem support isn't as good
[18:03] <truepurple> which means what in practice?
[18:04] <Froq> truepurple: it would be a pain in the ass
[18:04] <truepurple> In what way?
[18:04] <escott> they don't know exactly how ntfs works, so they have to make some educated guesses, its possible linux could corrupt the ntfs partition
[18:04] <truepurple> I could use ext3 or 4 you said
[18:04] <escott> but windows cant use ext*
[18:04] <truepurple> with drivers it can you said
[18:05] <escott> and the only thing both understand well is fat which is really old and lacks many features you need
[18:05] <truepurple> Someone else also told me that ext3 can be usuable under win7 with the right driver
[18:05] <escott> i would trust windows writing to ext3 less than linux writing to ntfs
[18:05] <escott> its just not done
[18:06] <Froq> truepurple: go get the driver, and make it work bro.  Then write up a little "how to" on the wiki... we would all appreciate it!
[18:06] <truepurple> So if its a different directory, it would still be the same FS, so the problem would still remain the same
[18:07] <Froq> truepurple: it wouldn't be nearly a big deal if the ntfs, or w/e drive was for read only purposes, such as sharing media, but when you start to make changes to the data on the drive, you can run into problems fast, that can result in corrupted files.
[18:07] <escott> truepurple, i think i have a good understand of what exactly you want to accomplish
[18:07] <escott> and im happy to give you commands to accomplish that and explain what they mean
[18:07] <escott> but i don't want to continue talking about things like this
[18:08] <truepurple> First, what would you have me do?
[18:08] <escott> if you want to do something nonstandard you'll have to figure it out yourself
[18:08] <truepurple> You just said you could help me
[18:09] <escott> the config that will work for you is the following: (1) a partition for /home, (2) an ntfs partition to share data between ubuntu and windows
[18:09] <escott> figure out the sizes you need for those partitions, and make sure you have the diskspace
[18:09] <truepurple> A 2tb HDD, space is not a problem
[18:10] <escott> excellent so open gparted and create a new partition whatever size you need, formated as ntfs
[18:10] <escott> this will be for sharing between ubuntu and windows
[18:11] <truepurple> So lets say I make a game save in wesnoth, or a save of a letter I am writing in open office, under linux or windows, Where would the file go? Then I could open the same file using the other?
[18:11] <escott> under windows it will be something like d: you can figure that out once you next boot windows
[18:11] <escott> under linux we can set the mountpoint
[18:11] <escott> put it wherever you want
[18:13] <escott> let me know when you have finished creating the ntfs partition
[18:14] <truepurple> escott I have other issues to resolve before I can do any of this
[18:14] <escott> ok
[18:15] <truepurple> What do you mean "set the mount point"?
[18:15] <escott> ill explain that when we get to that point
[18:15] <escott> or you can read man mount
[18:16] <truepurple> I want to understand the solution, before I do it, it would be a real pain to start all this work only to get to the point where I find it is not what I want and have to undo it all
[18:16] <escott> ive tried to explain it... but it didn't make sense to you. im hoping that by going through the process the way things work will make sense
[18:17] <escott> but its hard to explain what an abstract concept like a mountpoint is, its much easier to just mount something and see how it works
[18:17] <truepurple> if ubuntu saved files somewhere other then /home, what is the point of having /home then?
[18:17] <escott> which we can do in about 10 minutes
[18:18] <truepurple> Well, I still need to download and burn a live CD buntu
[18:18] <escott> i thought you had an ubuntu system up and running
[18:18] <truepurple> I do
[18:18] <escott> how about i give you a 10 minute mountpoint tutorial
[18:18] <truepurple> But the way I did it was through unetbootin and netinstall
[18:18] <escott> so that you know how that works
[18:19] <escott> you said you had an ext4 partition already made?
[18:19] <truepurple> No
[18:19] <truepurple> Well this one
[18:19] <truepurple> My only partition at the moment
[18:19] <truepurple> with most of my HDD unpartitioned
[18:20] <escott> thats fine i just want an empty partition to show you how it works
[18:20] <truepurple> Would this be easy to undo?
[18:20] <escott> do you know what its device name is or partition number
[18:20] <escott> yes
[18:20] <escott> very easy we wont do anything permanent
[18:20] <truepurple> Do I need a live CD?
[18:21] <escott> you need to be in your ubuntu system
[18:21] <truepurple> I am
[18:21] <escott> don't need a live cd i just need a command prompt
[18:21] <truepurple> Ok, so we can create a temporary partition from the unpartitioned space from within ubuntu?
[18:21] <escott> truepurple, can you /query me to open up this channel for any other questions
[18:22] <truepurple> I don't know what you mean by that
[18:22] <escott> just /query escott in your irc client
[18:22] <truepurple> No effect
[18:23] <escott> are you getting my messages in the other window?
[18:23] <truepurple> Can create a temporary partition from the unpartitioned space from within ubuntu?
[18:24] <truepurple> oh yeah, I see, its a second window
[18:24] <truepurple> How is this different from a PM tab?
[18:24] <escott> its the same
[18:25] <truepurple> Then why does it have the same channel name, list of people in the channel etc?
[18:25] <truepurple> They can not see our text, and we can not see theirs?
[18:26] <escott> im going to signoff in 10 minutes
[18:26] <escott> so if you want to learn how mount works lets cut the chit-chat
[18:27] <truepurple> Can we create a temporary partition from the unpartitioned space from within ubuntu?
[18:27] <escott> yes any partition will do
[18:27] <truepurple> yes/no?
[18:27] <escott> if you want to create a new one and delete it later thats fine
[18:28] <truepurple> And we can create a partition with a active install of ubuntu? We don't need a live CD?
[18:28] <escott> yes run gparted
[18:28] <truepurple> Alright, go ahead
[18:30] <truepurple> Something is funky with IRC, but if we are that short of time that you can't explain it to me, just go ahead with the instructions please
[18:30] <escott> so create a partition with gparted, make it ext4 (doesn't really matter), and take note what partition number it is and what device so its partition 5 on sda in other words /dev/sda5 in linux speak
[18:30] <truepurple> How do i activate gparted?
[18:30] <escott> are you running 10.10 or 11.04
[18:30] <truepurple> Half/half
[18:30] <truepurple> I think it is more 11.04
[18:31] <truepurple> but the display is more 10.10
[18:31] <escott> well just open a terminal and type gksudo gparted
[18:31] <truepurple> don't you mean sudo? I've had trouble with gksudo before
[18:31] <escott> ok then sudo gparted thats fine too
[18:32] <truepurple> "command not found"
[18:32] <escott> then sudo apt-get install gparted
[18:32] <truepurple> While its installing, do you know anything about ATI drivers?
[18:33] <escott> not really
[18:34] <truepurple> Ok it is set up
[18:34] <escott> and what partition number is it
[18:35] <truepurple> I mean, gparted is up
[18:35] <escott> ok sudo gparted then
[18:35] <truepurple> you mean under "partition"?
[18:35] <escott> when you create the partition it should say what partition number it is
[18:36] <truepurple> You mean under "partition"?
[18:36] <escott> yes
[18:36] <truepurple> Under "partition" it says "/dev/sda1" is that the name your looking for?
[18:37] <escott> "/dev/sda#"
[18:37] <truepurple> OK, 1
[18:37] <escott> and once you have created this partition close gparted
[18:37] <escott> and open a terminal
[18:38] <truepurple> What do you want me to create?
[18:38] <truepurple> thats the number/name of my current partition
[18:38] <escott> create a partition. doesn't matter how big, make it ext4 for convenience
[18:39] <escott> probably the smaller the better
[18:53] <Froq> So guys, is it possible to run RAID software from a VM?  I want to run Ubuntu Server, however, I want to use unRAID for my raiding scheme on 3 specific drives.  Is that possible?
[18:59] <Froq> hey, does anyone know if you can perform software RAID from inside a VM?  even with normal RAID5, etc.  I just want to have redundancy for all my media, but everything else, I could careless.
[19:02] <pleia2> Froq: not really a beginner question :) but wouldn't this be something you'd want to handle on the host side rather than the VM side?
[19:03] <pleia2> anyway, I don't see why it would be a problem
[19:03] <Froq> pleia2: idk...  haha, I just know I want to have redundancy for my media, and then have another batch of redundancy for my smaller files.  Is it a bad idea to run to intiations of RAID @ once?
[19:03] <Froq> pleia2: therefore, I would suspect that certain raids would be better for larger files and certain raids better for smaller files
[19:03] <Froq> to - two*
[19:04] <pleia2> size of files doesn't really matter a whole lot, how much is being written does
[19:04] <pleia2> putting raid on top of raid is a bit silly, what you really want is a single raid with enough fault tolerance that you shouldn't feel the need
[19:04] <Froq> well my major concern was that with something like maybe RAID5, using it for media would increase energy consumption because more drives would be spinning since raid5 woudl divide the files so small.
[19:05] <Froq> media = bluray rips
[19:05] <pleia2> I'm afraid I haven't seen the benchmarks that show this increases energy consumption
[19:06] <Froq> pleia2: o well sweet!  I was just htinking theoretically.
[19:06] <pleia2> ah, ok
[19:07] <pleia2> I'd look for benchmarks if you're that concerned about energy consumption, it's not something I've ever looked into because I've never been overly concerned about it
[19:07] <pleia2> theory doesn't always pan out in practice :) particularly with harddrives
[19:07] <pleia2> and is can depend on hardware, some controllers are harder on disks than others
[19:07] <pleia2> s/is/it
[19:13] <Froq> Wait... some controllers are harder than others... I would use software raid... how does that effect it
[19:14] <pleia2> Froq: a controller is just a name for whatever is connected to the disks :)
[19:14] <pleia2> so it could just be a straight sata controller
[19:14] <Froq> pleia2: ok.. so i am newbi-ish with hardware stuff.... I can build a computer and trouble shoot them to most degree, but please expand on that please
[19:15] <Froq> o got ya, are are sata controllers the same?!
[19:15] <pleia2> the same as what?
[19:15] <Froq> the same on how "hard" they are
[19:16] <pleia2> there are lots of ways to connect disks to a motherboard, you can have a raid controller (which usually has a mode where it'll just pass your disks to the OS as just a bunch of disks (JBOD) which you can make into software raid), a SATA controller which just passes the disks along as JBOD, you could have a single SATA wire, but usually there aren't enough SATA connectors
[19:18] <pleia2> in theory plain sata controllers should just do as they are told by the OS, but some of them try to do clever things like check the health of disks on their own, which means they are poking at the disks more than other controls might
[19:18] <Froq> pleia2: so @ the moment on my computer, I have 4 hdd, 1 320gb plugged into sata port 1 & 2, 3 & 4 HDD = 500gb and are plugged into sata ports 2 3 and 4
[19:18] <pleia2> ah nice, 4 ports on the motherboard
[19:18] <Froq> with that set up... I would be best to set up software raid, correcT?
[19:18] <pleia2> yeah
[19:19] <Froq> awesome, though wy did you state that "...you could have a single SATA wire, but usually there aren't enough SATA connectors"  ...  what are you meaning here, I have a single sata wire.
[19:20] <pleia2> so I'd set up software raid for the machine itself, and then depend upon that for your VMs (rather than setting up raid in the VM themselves)
[19:20] <Froq> pleia2: ok. however, can I limit which partitions of the disk perform the software raid, or will it just raid everything?
[19:21] <pleia2> some motherboards can't handle that many disks
[19:21] <Froq> pleia2: okay!  got ya, thanks for the explanation!  which program do you recommend I go with to set up my RAID?
[19:21] <pleia2> you can limit which partitions you add to the array
[19:22] <pleia2> I always use mdadm, the command line administration tool for raid
[19:22] <pleia2> but more often I'm using the alternate installer if I'm installing a new system and configuring raid
[19:24] <Froq> the alternate installer?  not following sir.
[19:24] <pleia2> ubuntu has a regular installer and an alternate installer
[19:24] <pleia2> the alternate installer allows you do do more complicated things like raid and LVM
[19:24] <pleia2> (also, not a "sir" :))
[19:24] <Froq> pleia2: ma'am
[19:25] <Froq> :)  ?!
[19:25] <Froq> pleia2: wouldnt' it be to my benefit to have LVM along with RAID set up.
[19:25] <Froq> Therefore, I can add & remove disk more easily.
[19:25] <Froq> ?
[19:26] <pleia2> I usually do that, but just because I like to be able to resize partitions in LVM
[19:26] <Froq> pleia2: yeah, I think I woudl appreciate that ability too
[19:26] <pleia2> presumably you'd want to add disks to the raid array itself, not LVM
[19:27] <pleia2> you could, but it gets complicated
[19:27] <Froq> o so I would always be better to add arrays, instead of expanding a current array?
[19:27] <pleia2> no, I mean it's better to expand a raid array than add a physical device to the lvm
[19:28] <Froq> o, i wouldn't even have considered it to end up having different effects.  Good to know.
[19:28] <Froq> Where is my journal stored on the disk in ubuntu wiht ext4?
[19:28] <Froq> pleia2: so what do you do for a living?
[19:29] <pleia2> the journal itself is not really something you access, hard to describe "where" it is
[19:29] <pleia2> I'm a sysadmin
[19:30] <Froq> ok, I was just reading wikipedia, and such, and it made mention that some journals are static, others are dynamic and some move around on the drive htemselves
[19:30] <pleia2> yeah, I'm not sure precisely what ext4 does
[19:33] <Froq> where you sysadmin @?
[19:34] <pleia2> Froq: a little tech services provider called linuxforce.net
[19:35] <Froq> o nice.  I am just a student @ a university in Des Moines, IA
[19:35] <Froq> I really appreciate all the help a ton!!
[19:35] <Froq> Yah, I want to ccontrol my RAID via CLI.  no other way! :)  right on!
[19:38] <pleia2> Froq: sure thing, I need to run off for a bit, good luck :)
[19:39] <Froq> pleia2: thanks, peace
[20:05] <truepurple> Can one install drivers when running off a livecd?
[20:08] <truepurple> froq pleia2
[20:08] <Froq> truepurple: yes
[20:08] <truepurple> And they will work just the same?
[20:08] <truepurple> As a actual install?
[20:08] <Froq> truepurple: no
[20:09] <truepurple> What is the difference in how they work then?
[20:09] <truepurple> With a driver install from a livecd and that of a install?
[20:10] <Froq> truepurple: well you cannot make changes to the CD as you can the hdd.
[20:11] <truepurple> I know that, but you just said I could install drivers, using space in RAM, right?
[20:12] <Froq> truepurple: idk that ....
[20:13] <truepurple> Someone on who knows much about livecd's?
[20:14] <easwar> truepurple, not much, but reading past few mins of conversation, I MIGHT be able to help
[20:14] <easwar> what's the trouble?
[20:14] <truepurple> I want to know if I can install a driver running off a livecd
[20:15] <truepurple> I remember reading something about it using ram space
[20:15] <truepurple> I need to be able to test if a driver will work right with X version before installing X version
[20:15] <easwar> truepurple, you can
[20:16] <truepurple> Will the driver install and work exactly the same with a livecd as a actual ubuntu installation?
[20:16] <easwar> truepurple, yep, pretty sure it will
[20:17] <truepurple> I'd like to get confirmation though since it sounds like you have some doubt, any ideas?
[20:18] <easwar> truepurple, the idea is that the LiveCD is built for you to test out your hardware before you install
[20:18] <easwar> but I'm no expert on video
[20:18] <easwar> therefore the doubt
[20:18] <easwar> the LiveCD should provide the same environment as an actual install
[20:19] <easwar> but if you're worried about that, you might try a Ubuntu under Windows (Wubi) install
[20:19] <truepurple> Um, I would be even less confident about that being the same, anyway I don't have windows installed at the moment
[20:19] <easwar> truepurple, ah
[20:19] <Froq> truepurple: then why not just make the plunge, because @ the moment, do you have anything installed on the hardware?
[20:20] <easwar> +1 Froq
[20:20] <truepurple> Sort of froq
[20:20] <truepurple> But its not working right
[20:20] <truepurple> Downloading and burning takes awhile
[20:20] <truepurple> and uses up a DVDr
[20:21] <easwar> truepurple, a CD-R
[20:21] <easwar> or can try on a flash drive
[20:21] <easwar> too
[20:21] <truepurple> I can't put livecd on a DVDr?
[20:21] <Froq> truepurple: you could, however a CD-R wasted is much less tragic :)
[20:21] <easwar> truepurple, you can, but it would be one waste of a DVD-R
[20:22] <easwar> truepurple, you do know you can use a flash drive to install?
[20:22] <truepurple> Can one put two versions of a CD live on one disk, like 10.10 and 11.04?
[20:22] <easwar> doubt it, never tried it
[20:23] <Froq> truepurple: no idea
[20:25] <Froq> truepurple: though if you got a flashdrive lying around, just use that bad boy!
[20:25] <truepurple> Why would a flashdrive be better?
[20:26] <easwar> truepurple, because you can reuse it?
[20:26] <easwar> for data too?
[20:26] <easwar> after you're done installing
[20:26] <truepurple> ah
[20:28] <truepurple> What burning program would you recommend for ubuntu?
[20:29] <Froq> truepurple: I KNOW!!!
[20:29] <Froq> brasero
[20:29] <truepurple> I got to test my burner anyway, and I got a bunch of disks to use
[20:29] <Froq> truepurple: tell me how you like it ... since I have never used it
[20:30] <easwar> Froq, lol
[20:33] <Froq> truepurple: did you find it ?
[20:35] <Sidewinder1> +1 Brasero
[20:35] <truepurple> No, but haven't looked yet, with a name like that I doubt it would be hard to find
[20:35] <Sidewinder1> It's in the Repositories.
[20:36] <Sidewinder1> Use Synaptic.
[20:36] <truepurple> Sidewinder1: Repositories, that means its already downloaded?
[20:37] <easwar> truepurple, no
[20:37] <easwar> and you should find it in Applications>>Sound and Video
[20:37] <easwar> since it comes pre-installed with Ubuntu
[20:37] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, Not necessarily
[20:37] <truepurple> ubuntu software center just as good a method?
[20:38] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, Open synaptic and you can tell...
[20:38] <truepurple> ah, what easware said was the biggest help
[20:38] <truepurple> Yes, it is preinstalled
[20:38] <Froq> Didn't know that!  nifty
[20:39] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, easwar's correct; if it's installed, that's where you'll find it.
[20:39] <Sidewinder1> Better to learn Synaptic
[20:39] <easwar> +1 on Sidewinder1
[20:40] <easwar> Synaptic is the best GUI way to install stuff on Ubuntu
[20:40] <Sidewinder1> Synaptic is merely a front-end GUI for apt-get...
[20:40] <Froq> easwar: how do you choose to actually install stuff though, with termianl or gui?
[20:40] <truepurple> What program would you recommend for torrenting under ubuntu? Or does a torrent program come preinstalled too?
[20:41] <truepurple> Ubuntu software center was good for installing wesnoth, less confusing as to what you were downloading/installing
[20:41] <easwar> truepurple, Transmission comes installed
[20:41] <Sidewinder1> Froq: either way is fine; I prefer GUI; Synaptic is your friend.
[20:41] <easwar> but I rather prefer Deluge/Vuze
[20:41] <truepurple> How are those better?
[20:42] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, I use vuze, also known as azureus
[20:42] <truepurple> How is it better then transmission?
[20:42] <Froq> truepurple: transmission is awesome (my opinion.)
[20:42] <truepurple> Froq: Tried that vuze program?
[20:43] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, It's not necessarily better; vuse gives more info while torenting
[20:43] <Froq> truepurple: never, but I just like how light of an app transmission is and my exprience with Azureus on windows sucked
[20:43] <Sidewinder1> I have bith and used both
[20:43] <Sidewinder1> both
[20:43] <truepurple> But you've not tried it on ubuntu froq?
[20:44] <Froq> truepurple:  no
[20:44]  * easwar has tried all 3
[20:44] <easwar> liked Vuze, using currently, lots of info and configurability
[20:44] <Sidewinder1> I've downloaded over 3 terabytes withy azureus...No problems.
[20:45] <Sidewinder1> vuze=azureus
[20:45] <truepurple> Ok, i want to download win7, but I need to be able to scan it for viruses, any antivirus you could recommend for this purpose? I also want a antivirus good for scanning windows if it ever goes corrupt, rather then dealing with some recovery disk
[20:45] <easwar> Sidewinder1, +1
[20:45] <truepurple> Light is nice, but this computer is fast,
[20:45] <Sidewinder1> ;-)
[20:46] <Sidewinder1> Is that the FBI knockin' on the door?...
[20:46] <holstein> download win7?
[20:46] <holstein> you cant do that
[20:46] <holstein> AFAIK
[20:46] <truepurple> Hey, stop pretending to be at my door!
[20:46] <Sidewinder1> Heh,heh
[20:47] <truepurple> It is digitally possible holstein
[20:47] <Sidewinder1> Can't or shouldn't?
[20:47]  * holstein shrugs
[20:47] <holstein> ask the vendor
[20:47] <Sidewinder1> Two vastly different things.. :-)
[20:47] <truepurple> Hey, the way MS treats DIY'rs and overcharges, I feel no guilt. Its not like I download new movies or games like many do
[20:48] <truepurple> So back to that antivirus
[20:48] <holstein> ?
[20:48] <truepurple> Any recommendations?
[20:48] <holstein> yeah
[20:48] <Sidewinder1> The penalties are the same.
[20:48] <holstein> dont DL win7
[20:48] <Froq> **WAIT**  we can talk about pirating in here?
[20:48] <holstein> go to the store
[20:48] <holstein> and buy it
[20:48] <easwar> Froq, no, you can recommend software for torrenting
[20:48] <holstein> you wont need to scan the disc you buy from the store or the vendor
[20:48] <Sidewinder1> Anti-virus, try clamav; it is also in the repositories.
[20:48] <holstein> *in theory
[20:49] <easwar> we cannot point people to sites to pirate stuff
[20:49] <truepurple> Ok fine, I am using it for scanning other win7 stuff, any recommendations?
[20:49] <truepurple> I didnt ask to be pointed to pirate stuff...
[20:49] <easwar> truepurple, not saying you did
[20:49] <Sidewinder1> Froq: No, we can't.
[20:49] <Froq> easwar: got ya!  so I can mention the possibility of it, however can not say where ot find it.
[20:49] <holstein> AVG has a linux version
[20:49] <easwar> just clarifying for Froq
[20:49] <holstein> and a bootable CD image
[20:49] <holstein> AVG lets you download that one too though
[20:50] <holstein> not sure how you'll scan that ;)
[20:50] <truepurple> Would you recommend AVG over clamav?
[20:50] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, clamav for anti-virus; in the repos.
[20:50] <holstein> either one
[20:51] <easwar> Froq, Like holstein said, don't DL pirated stuff, go to the store, and buy it
[20:51] <truepurple> You like it better then AVG sidewinder1? Do you have experience/knowledge of AVG too?
[20:51] <Froq> easwar: yeah, I love buying stuff, why else do I have a job!
[20:51] <truepurple> easwar: I already answered that, and your not going to change my mind
[20:51] <Sidewinder1> I do not use ANY anti-virus, but those are the two I would suggest.
[20:52] <holstein> ridiculous
[20:52] <holstein> stealing software
[20:52] <holstein> i used to do it though
[20:52] <easwar> truepurple, I'm not trying to :)
[20:52] <Sidewinder1> So, it was OH, then...?
[20:52] <Sidewinder1> OK
[20:53] <truepurple> Sidewinder1: If you've never used them, what cause do you have recommend them?
[20:53] <truepurple> *to recommend them
[20:53] <Sidewinder1> Because I read...
[20:53] <easwar> truepurple, mostly other people's recommendations :)
[20:53] <Sidewinder1> And research...
[20:53] <easwar> that's how we recommend stuff we haven't used
[20:54] <truepurple> regarding downloading windows, those willing to pay the overpriced and unfair MS computer tax are free to do so.
[20:54] <easwar> we read, research, and provide community knowledge w/o necessarily having first hand experience
[20:54] <holstein> truepurple: ?
[20:54] <Sidewinder1> Just 'cause I don't use something doesn't mean I know nothing about it. :-)
[20:54] <holstein> its not tax
[20:54] <truepurple> holstein: It sort of is
[20:54] <holstein> its what the product costs
[20:54] <holstein> no
[20:54] <holstein> its not
[20:54] <holstein> its the cost of the product
[20:54] <holstein> and you're stealing it
[20:54] <holstein> if you're ok with that
[20:54] <truepurple> holstein: No, its what they charge for it
[20:55] <holstein> then whatever...
[20:55] <holstein> but dont tell me its OK becuase its tax
[20:55] <holstein> you're stealing it.
[20:55] <easwar> which you're supposed to pay too, BTW
[20:55] <easwar> *even if it is tax
[20:55] <Sidewinder1> Oh, poop; ain't 'gonna go there.
[20:55] <truepurple> Now if you could convince the majority of PC programmers to also program for linux, I wouldn't even need windows, and it would be the same to them
[20:56] <Froq> LETS MOVE TO A NEW SUBJECT
[20:56] <Sidewinder1> +1
[20:56]  * Laggg is away: He's watering some kush
[20:56] <holstein> you dont *need* windows
[20:56] <holstein> but, if youd like to use it
[20:56] <easwar> I know it is unlikely
[20:56] <holstein> you should follw the guidelines
[20:56] <Sidewinder1> Froq: And we won't even mention thepiratebay...:-)
[20:56] <truepurple> Linux has not perfected windows emulation...
[20:57] <easwar> but does anyone know anything about Maverick on ARM?
[20:57] <easwar> specifically OMAP3?
[20:57] <truepurple> I know of that site btw, and a better one, not used em yet though
[20:57] <holstein> truepurple: why should it perfect windows emulation?
[20:57] <holstein> i hope it doesnt personally
[20:57] <truepurple> So I can play my games
[20:57] <easwar> weren't we changing the subject?
[20:57] <holstein> i like that it has its own identiy
[20:57] <truepurple> The games I bought and paid for!
[20:57] <holstein> sure
[20:57] <holstein> truepurple: there are linux games though
[20:58] <holstein> more and more now
[20:58] <Froq> truepurple: wait... isn't that just game tax!
[20:58] <holstein> you got what you paid for
[20:58] <truepurple> Yeah, but not for every window game out there, and I already have these games
[20:58] <holstein> right
[20:58] <truepurple> Froq:  Failed comparson
[20:58] <holstein> so you probably need to dual boot then
[20:58] <Sidewinder1> Side puts the channel on stand-by while he rolls another cigarette...:-)
[20:58] <holstein> and thats fine*
[20:58] <truepurple> Your comparing apples to peanuts
[20:59] <Froq> truepurple: so where are you @ in the your process of using ubuntu from the CD... you liking it?
[20:59] <truepurple> holstein: That is what i plan to do
[20:59] <holstein> right
[20:59] <holstein> but, you're stealing windows
[20:59] <holstein> if everyone stole it
[20:59] <truepurple> Its the same cost and profit to them as if I just used ubuntu
[20:59] <holstein> or more people did
[20:59] <holstein> the cost would be crazy high
[21:00] <holstein> for those who do want to purchase it
[21:00] <Sidewinder1> Who in the world would waste their time with winbloze? Stolen or otherwise...
[21:00] <holstein> truepurple: like you said, you cant convince me
[21:00] <truepurple> If every DIYr out there who MS gave the middle finger didn't pay for windows, they would still have plenty of profit
[21:00] <holstein> you're stealing it
[21:00] <holstein> period
[21:00] <easwar> truepurple, yes, but you're still promoting Windows, and becoming part of the market for Windows programs, which makes our effort to convince the majority of PC programmers to also program for Linux
[21:00] <easwar> see?
[21:00] <easwar> difficult*, see?
[21:01] <truepurple> Hey, if MS was fair to DIY, I would be fair to MS
[21:01] <holstein> ?
[21:01] <holstein> truepurple: whats not fair?
[21:01] <holstein> they sell a product
[21:02] <truepurple> DIY technically have to pay for full retail price of their installs, which is many times what PC manufactures have to pay for the same license
[21:02] <holstein> technically?
[21:02] <holstein> what are you talking about?
[21:02] <holstein> if you start a buisness
[21:02] <holstein> making laptops
[21:02] <holstein> or desktops
[21:02] <holstein> you can get a bulk deal as well
[21:03] <truepurple> There is a OEM version, but its not recognized as legit by MS, even though they know PC companies sell them
[21:03] <holstein> bulk OEM licences
[21:03] <holstein> truepurple: the have legit MS serials
[21:03] <holstein> those are legit
[21:03] <truepurple> Not according to what I have read
[21:03] <Sidewinder1> Oh, now let's start a debate on intellectual property,,,This should be.... Nah, nevermind.
[21:03] <holstein> truepurple: well, doulbe check what you heard
[21:04] <holstein> those are legal installs
[21:04] <truepurple> MS has text that says those are ONLY for computers meant to be sold, not for personal use
[21:04] <holstein> truepurple: yeah
[21:04] <holstein> the vendors can customize te packags a bit
[21:04] <holstein> put the drivers in
[21:04] <truepurple> So if I buy it for my own computer, its not legal in MS's eyes
[21:04] <holstein> for the specific devcie
[21:04] <holstein> maybe wallpaper
[21:04] <truepurple> And it comes with zero support to boot
[21:04] <holstein> its still a legit MS install
[21:04] <holstein> truepurple: thats the MS model
[21:04] <holstein> it does come with support*
[21:05] <holstein> thats not part of the cost
[21:05] <truepurple> And even the oem is very expensive
[21:05] <Sidewinder1> Why don't you guys agree to disagree?
[21:05] <easwar> +1 Sidewinder1
[21:05] <holstein> im not disagreeing
[21:05] <holstein> im right
[21:05] <holstein> :p
[21:05] <holstein> this is way OT though
[21:05] <Sidewinder1> With all due respect, of course.
[21:05] <truepurple> Right or wrong, its disagreeing Mrs semantics
[21:05] <holstein> truepurple: if you would like to continue somehwere else, let me know
[21:06] <truepurple> Naw, you let me know your wrong PoV, I explained my sound reasons, you ignored those reasons, conversations already seen its not so good best minutes
[21:06] <Sidewinder1> "im right' I can't believe that you typed that!!! No one has anything else to say...
[21:07] <truepurple> Plus yeah, where is a conversation suppose to go from there...
[21:08] <Sidewinder1> !ot
[21:08] <ubot2> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
[21:08] <easwar> !guidelines
[21:08] <ubot2> The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[21:08] <truepurple> thanks, but we are done
[21:08] <holstein> we have #ubuntu-beginners-team as well
[21:08] <holstein> for OT
[21:08] <easwar> rather not
[21:08] <truepurple> team?
[21:09] <holstein> i just got caught up in the 'how do i scan my illegal download for viruses with ubuntu' question
[21:10] <easwar> holstein, did you want to type that in -team?
[21:10] <easwar> :P
[21:10] <truepurple> The question was more, what is a good antivirus to run on ubuntu for windows viruses
[21:10] <Sidewinder1> AVG or clamav
[21:10] <easwar> truepurple, which was answered with ClamAV and AVG
[21:10] <truepurple> I know, I was just correcting holstein
[21:11] <truepurple> Do both of those allow folder/file specific scanning?
[21:11] <Sidewinder1> ?
[21:11] <easwar> no idea
[21:11] <truepurple> I have run across one or two antiviruses that required one to scan whole directories or even partitions
[21:11] <easwar> Sidewinder1, truepurple is talking about ClamAV and AVG now
[21:11] <truepurple> Yes
[21:12] <Sidewinder1> Suits me..
[21:12] <truepurple> And for those, I can just type those names into ubuntu software center for download?
[21:13] <easwar> truepurple, yes
[21:13] <Sidewinder1> Synaptic
[21:13] <easwar> truepurple, at least for ClamAV, you can
[21:13] <easwar> yeah, Synaptic, no idea about software center
[21:14] <truepurple> apparently not avg, how would I get that?
[21:14] <truepurple> Also, reviews of clamav says it doesn't even check for linux problems
[21:14] <easwar> Google search and download from AVG's site?
[21:14] <easwar> just a guess
[21:14] <Sidewinder1> System-->Administration--> Synaptic
[21:15] <easwar> truepurple, doesn't need to check for Linux viruses
[21:15] <truepurple> Well your not saying linux is utterly immune to viruses, are you?
[21:16] <easwar> truepurple, I apparently am
[21:16] <truepurple> I see, well there is also this other review "The interface is very simple and compact. Viruses can be scanned, but it lacks the automatic cleaning capabilities that most other antivirus programs have. Most useful on dual-boot machines for scanning your non-Linux partition(s) or checking that USB drives are clean. May sometimes take a very long time to perform scans on lots of files, especially recursive scans."
[21:16] <Sidewinder1> truepurple, Please read this... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812
[21:17] <truepurple> The lack of automatic cleaning capabilities is especially worrysome, I have dealt with that before, having to stick around to click some pop up
[21:17] <holstein> its very unlikely
[21:17] <holstein> its a matter of user accounts too
[21:17] <holstein> with windows
[21:18] <holstein> typically
[21:18] <holstein> you are always running as administrator
[21:18] <holstein> which is different than the typical linux setup
[21:18] <holstein> that help a lot avoiding issues
[21:22] <truepurple> back to liveCD and drivers, drivers often need you to reboot to finalized them, but with liveCD, the driver will be gone if you do that
[21:22] <holstein> truepurple: you wont be able to do what you need to do
[21:22] <holstein> the graphics drivers*
[21:22] <holstein> usually, you can sneak a wifi driver in
[21:22] <holstein> and test that
[21:23] <holstein> maybe some graphics drivers if a reboot is not required
[21:23] <holstein> truepurple: like i suggested before
[21:23] <holstein> i would probably do a small partition
[21:23] <holstein> and have an install to kinda fiddle with
[21:23] <holstein> and break
[21:23] <escott> truepurple, if you really want to go down that route you would have to mount the iso image on a loopback, and then unsquash the squashfs and customize it and then put everything back
[21:23] <holstein> one that doesnt install grub*
[21:24] <holstein> escott: true
[21:24] <holstein> you could roll up your own
[21:24] <truepurple> escott: Didn't understand that, sorry
[21:24] <holstein> you could cherry pick some of those words
[21:25] <holstein> that escott used
[21:25] <holstein> and google them
[21:25] <holstein> like squashfs
[21:25] <truepurple> Could I dual boot ubuntu with ubuntu then?
[21:25] <holstein> when i google 'ubuntu wiki squashfs'
[21:25] <holstein> one of the first things to come up is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[21:26] <Sidewinder1> You guys/gals have a nice evening.
[21:26] <holstein> truepurple: with ubuntu/linux, the answer is always yes
[21:26] <holstein> Sidewinder1: laterx :)
[21:26] <easwar> good evening Sidewinder1
[21:26] <Froq> Sidewinder1: night
[21:27] <truepurple> Could I install ubuntu on one partition, from ubuntu on another partition?
[21:27] <Froq> truepurple:  good question!!!  I know you can with OsX... but can you with ubuntu guys?
[21:29] <holstein> truepurple: what im suggesting is a dual boot scenario
[21:29] <holstein> with a small 'test' partition
[21:29] <holstein> that you can blow out easy
[21:29] <holstein> *however you want to do that
[21:29] <escott> truepurple, debian provides a bootstrap which you could install in a chroot, not sure if you can leverage up from debian to ubuntu though
[21:30] <truepurple> holstein: That is what I am talking about too, could I install ubuntu onto a different partition on ubuntu, so I could dual boot and boot the second partition/ubuntu to test it
[21:31] <Froq> hey guys, I gotta get out of here, stuff to complete.  peace
[21:31] <holstein> truepurple: i want to say yes
[21:31] <holstein> Froq: laterx
[21:31] <holstein> truepurple: im just not clear about what you are saying
[21:31] <holstein> install ubuntu onto a different partition on ubuntu?
[21:32] <holstein> thats what i dont understand
[21:32] <holstein> im suggesting
[21:32] <truepurple> A separate and unique ubuntu installation
[21:32] <holstein> IF you have ubuntu installed
[21:32] <holstein> you shrink that doen
[21:32] <holstein> down*
[21:32] <holstein> and install beside it
[21:32] <holstein> on the same hard drive
[21:32] <holstein> not really 'on ubuntu'
[21:32] <easwar> holstein, yes, and do it from the installed Ubuntu
[21:32] <easwar> that is what truepurple is talking about
[21:32] <holstein> easwar: OH, like wubi?
[21:32] <holstein> i see
[21:33] <easwar> holstein, not like Wubi
[21:33] <truepurple> So ok I am running ubuntu right now, on drive 1. I want to install a fresh new ubuntu on drive 2, another partition on the same drive
[21:33] <truepurple> So I am dual booted with two ubuntus, the second one just being a test
[21:33] <holstein> truepurple: yeah, and i was imagining that happening from a live CD
[21:34] <truepurple> But instead of a live CD, from this first ubuntu
[21:34] <truepurple> So I can just download ubuntu and do the installation here, instead of making a CD
[21:34] <holstein> right
[21:34] <holstein> thats what easwar is talking about i think
[21:34] <truepurple> So that is possible?
[21:34] <holstein> i had in mind using an installation disc
[21:35] <holstein> thats the way i would do it*
[21:35] <easwar> holstein, yes, that is what truepurple wants to do
[21:35] <easwar> truepurple, I haven't tried it, so I can't say
[21:35] <easwar> haven't read anything about it either
[21:35] <holstein> yeah, it works so well from an install disc
[21:35] <holstein> no reason to do it from the install
[21:36] <holstein> + the hard drive is probably mounted
[21:36] <holstein> unless you have 2
[21:36] <truepurple> Well I am not sure which version i would use, if either, I could end up wasting one disk, or both, plus the time required to burn
[21:36] <holstein> i was envisioning using the disc you already have
[21:36] <truepurple> I dont have one
[21:36] <holstein> truepurple: how did you install?
[21:37] <truepurple> I installed this with unetbootin netinstall
[21:37] <holstein> right
[21:37] <holstein> so, you *should* be able to do that again
[21:37] <truepurple> Which basically is a compact program that downloads as it goes
[21:37] <holstein> if you want
[21:37] <truepurple> Then i have to redownload it several times
[21:37] <holstein> right
[21:37] <holstein> its up to you
[21:37] <truepurple> And that unetbootin was before 11.04, so id have to redo it maybe
[21:38] <truepurple> Can unetbootin download a version that came out after it?
[21:38] <easwar> Google suggests putting the kernel and initrd in /boot and editing the commandline in Grub to boot those
[21:38] <truepurple> No idea what your saying there
[21:39] <holstein> im sure you'll sort it out truepurple
[21:39]  * holstein gotta run...
[21:39] <easwar> it is kinda time consuming to explain
[21:40] <easwar> truepurple, is this your first Linux install?
[21:40] <truepurple> yes
[21:40] <truepurple> Been fearing linux complexity for some time
[21:40] <truepurple> But necessity made me take the plunge
[21:40] <MrChrisDruif> truepurple: unetbootin can't download a release which isn't in his list. However you can install a ISO manually :)
[21:41] <MrChrisDruif> Necessity? =-O
[21:41] <truepurple> Id rather not get into that
[21:41] <easwar> truepurple, I would suggest you do the installing Ubuntu from Ubuntu beside itself after you've gained some experience with the standard way for doing dualboots
[21:41] <easwar> MrChrisDruif, it's his first Linux install
[21:42] <truepurple> MrChrisDruif: Do you know if it is possible to install ubuntu while your operating OS is ubuntu?
[21:42] <easwar> truepurple, use a flash drive, install the two Ubuntu's as a dual boot
[21:42] <truepurple> onto a separate partition of course
[21:42] <easwar> from the Live flash drive
[21:42] <easwar> truepurple, it is possible
[21:42] <truepurple> But its more difficult somehow?
[21:42] <easwar> truepurple, yes
[21:43] <MrChrisDruif> Woow, I've heard before it's possible to install Arch while running _a_ Linux distro. Never heard about Ubuntu thou.
[21:43] <easwar> more difficult than doing it via flash drive
[21:43] <easwar> or CD
[21:43] <MrChrisDruif> That is indeed the case
[21:44] <easwar> MrChrisDruif, there is a thread that is not complete, but seems you move vmlinuz and initrd into the boot directory for your current Linux install
[21:44] <truepurple> easwar: but possibly quicker, flash drives are slow too. What complexity might I encounter?
[21:44] <MrChrisDruif> I've not managed it so far...not really attempted tbh
[21:44] <easwar> MrChrisDruif, and then edit the boot line in Grub to boot the new kernel and initrd
[21:44] <easwar> truepurple, I guess the entire install should take about half an hour
[21:45] <easwar> and it is practically a 6 step press Next process if you're not doing anything special
[21:45] <easwar> since you don't have Windows, you don't need to dual boot
[21:46] <truepurple> I mean getting it onto the flash takes some time, its a cheap one
[21:46] <easwar> but you might want to set aside a partition for your experiment of installing Ubuntu from Ubuntu later
[21:46] <truepurple> What complexity might I encounter?
[21:46] <easwar> truepurple, um, none?
[21:46] <truepurple> From installing ubuntu from ubuntu, what complexity might I encounter?
[21:47] <truepurple> You said I shouldn't do it because it is more complex
[21:47] <easwar> truepurple, assuming you're talking about the host Ubuntu being installed on your HDD
[21:47] <truepurple> I don't know if that is what I mean or not
[21:48] <easwar> truepurple, your host Ubuntu can be a liveCD, a live flash drive or a Ubuntu installed on your HDD
[21:48] <easwar> which one are you talking about?
[21:48] <truepurple> I mean running a ubuntu installation program, not as a start up but while ubuntu is my OS
[21:49] <truepurple> Not using my current ubuntu as the installation program, but a separate ubuntu download
[21:49] <easwar> truepurple, I said that is more complex than running a ubuntu installation program from a booted CD/flash drive
[21:49] <truepurple> And I asked, what complexity might I encounter?
[21:50] <easwar> truepurple, that would depend on your previous experience with Linux
[21:50] <easwar> or uni
[21:50] <easwar> *unix
[21:50] <truepurple> complexity is complexity, what issues might arise that someone new to linux might not be able to handle?
[21:51] <easwar> truepurple, well, you could land up with a an unbootable machine
[21:51] <easwar> and have to resort to a LiveCD to clean up
[21:51] <truepurple> How could that happen?
[21:52] <truepurple> You'd be installing onto a different partition with a separate installer, how could that corrupt your current OS?
[21:52] <easwar> truepurple, there wouldn't be an installer
[21:52] <easwar> you would do it by hand, manually
[21:52] <truepurple> Id download a ubuntu installer
[21:52] <truepurple> That is what I was describing
[21:53] <easwar> truepurple, there currently exists no automated way to do what you're trying to
[21:53] <truepurple> You mean id have to set up tables and copy files all by individual commands?
[21:54] <easwar> truepurple, I don't know what you mean by set up tables, but yes, you would have to copy individual files across
[21:56] <truepurple> Ok, you know that program you download to install off a CD? Why can't I use that program but install off my HDD?
[21:56] <easwar> truepurple, are you talking about unetbootin?
[21:57] <easwar> or ubiquity?
[21:57] <truepurple> I am talking about this http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[21:58] <easwar> it'd need redirecting the installer to an ISO copy on the HDD
[21:58] <truepurple> Either the first or the second download option, downloading it onto my HDD, then running that from my HDD
[21:58] <truepurple> Could that work then?
[21:59] <easwar> truepurple, it could, no guarantees, but I don't know how to do the redirection
[21:59] <easwar> or even if it is possible
[22:05] <easwar> truepurple, best of luck with that
[22:05]  * easwar leaves
[22:05] <truepurple> easwar: You know anything about ATI drivers?
[22:06] <easwar> truepurple, nope
[22:06] <truepurple> ok thanks
[22:06] <easwar> you're welcome
[22:08] <Ambrose83> I am currently having a problem installing the driver for my printer
[22:08] <Ambrose83> Is there anyone who could help me out.
[22:08] <johnny77> I'm having major issues with 11.04. If I log into Ubuntu, I get only a background, no panels. If I log into Ubuntu Classic, it appears that a Window Manager is not loaded. Any ideas?
[22:24] <Ambrose83> I am unable to find the correct driver so that I can setup my lexmark x4690 printer.  Where can I find this driver and install it?
[22:24] <escott> Ambrose83, have you checked the cups website
[22:24] <Ambrose83> No I haven't
[22:25] <Ambrose83> What is the address
[22:25] <escott> cups.org i think
[22:26] <Ambrose83> checking...
[22:29] <Ambrose83> I had previously downloaded the driver from the lexmark website when I run this application it prompts me for the root user's password.  When I type in the password it informs me that it is invalid.
[22:30] <Ambrose83> I suspect that the one user account I setup has a different password from the root user?  Since I only set one password I am not sure how to access this.
[22:32] <Froq> Ambrose83: the account you set up when installing ubuntu has root access.
[22:32] <Ambrose83> i keep getting denied access
[22:32] <escott> Ambrose83, ubuntu doesn't have a root user password
[22:33] <escott> Ambrose83, try and run the installer as sudo lexmark_installer.sh
[22:33] <escott> if that doesn't work you can enable a root user password, but it is discouraged
[22:37] <Ambrose83> when you say "lexmark_installer.sh" does this mean I need to provide the full path where the file is located?
[22:40] <escott> Ambrose83, it would be the full path, i don't know what their installer is though
[22:44] <Ambrose83> That solved the problem.  The printer is up and running thanks for your help.
[22:57] <Ambrose83> Goodbye
[23:01] <Froq> so i am so excited, I am going to get an i5 unlocked, 4GB of RAM machine this summer!!!  O YEAH!  SMILING BIG
[23:01] <Froq> why i need it... IDK
[23:41] <Ambrose83> What does the cat command do?
[23:42] <MrChrisDruif> man cat
[23:43] <coalwater> Paste a file into terminal
[23:43] <escott> Ambrose83, concatenate (meant for multiple files cat file1 file2 file3 > combined)
[23:44] <johnny77> Does anyone know why unity would not load in 11.04? I upgraded, but only get a background when I log into Ubuntu.
[23:44] <Ambrose83> thanks
[23:45] <coalwater> Hmm i thought it was only good as a fast view contents lol
[23:45] <MrChrisDruif> johnny77: Sorry, I can't help
[23:45] <johnny77> MrChrisDruif: thanks for responding... I've just been really frustrated with unity. Very close to doing a clean install of 10.04.
[23:46] <coalwater> probably unity is failing to load, you should try typing unity as a command on terminal
[23:46] <johnny77> coalwater: how would I open the terminal? All I have is a background. Not even alt+f2 works.
[23:47] <MrChrisDruif> johnny77: I saw your question pop up multiple times and saw nobody answer. It's only fair to say I don't know :) Btw, I've switched to Elementary OS, so don't worry about it :)
[23:48] <johnny77> MrChrisDruif: what is Elementary OS like? If I'm going to do a clean install...
[23:48] <MrChrisDruif> johnny77: http://elementaryos.org/
[23:49] <johnny77> MrChrisDruif: thanks.
[23:49] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome, it's based on Ubuntu 10.10
[23:51] <wdbl> Hi all. In 10.04 I can't stop the password prompt when I interrupt the screensaver or when I resume from suspend or hibernate. I have searched a number of times, but all of the instructions that I find do not work completely. I started over with a clean install in order to try again and I haven't touched gconf-editor yet.
[23:53] <MrChrisDruif> wdbl: I don't think it's possible what you want. You can turn of the locking screen when the screensaver starts
[23:53] <johnny77> MrChrisDruif: does Elementary OS use the same repos as Ubuntu?
[23:54] <MrChrisDruif> johnny77: At least the same as Ubuntu 10.10
[23:54] <wdbl> MrChrisDruif: how do you know?
[23:54] <MrChrisDruif> wdbl: About the screenlocking or the repos? :P
[23:54] <wdbl> screenlocking
[23:55] <MrChrisDruif> Well, you can turn it on/off in Screensaver settings
[23:55] <MrChrisDruif> System > Preferences > Screensaver
[23:55] <wdbl> ok that's done and that works
[23:55] <MrChrisDruif> But on Resume/Hibernate you'll probably have to enter your password
[23:56] <wdbl> now, I read about people doing that with gconf-editor, but I haven't been able to get it to work. I see _settings_ there that look like they are for doing what I want
[23:56] <wdbl> but maybe Ubuntu doesn't use them?
[23:59] <wdbl> I probably screwed something up the first time because I ran sudo gconf-editor instead of gconf-editor. I'm going to try it out and see
[23:59] <escott> wdbl, yes that would not be a root thing