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IdleOnebazhang: i removed the quiet on Juest earlier today iirc. I didn't see the comments he made in here. sorry.00:08
Jordan_UIt was Ubusuer, 37054, that I was remembering.00:35
Jordan_Us/Ubusuer/ubuser/00:36
ubottuIn #ubuntu, janisozaur said: !classic is The default interface since 10.10 is !unity. You can switch back to regular !gnome by selecting 'Ubuntu classic' in the box at the bottom while having your user selected on login screen.00:36
ubottuIn #ubuntu, janisozaur said: !classic is The default interface since 11.04 is !unity. You can switch back to regular !gnome by selecting 'Ubuntu classic' in the box at the bottom while having your user selected on login screen.00:38
LjLhe's so right though :P00:42
IdleOne!classic00:43
LjL!Unity and !GNOME, aside from that looks ok :P00:44
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)00:44
LjLnot for a moment00:44
IdleOneI am not sure about the wording00:45
IdleOneHow is this? -- !classic is The default interface since 11.04 is !Unity. You can switch back to regular !Gnome by logging out and clicking on your user name, in the Session box at the bottom of the screen select Ubuntu Classic.00:47
IdleOnehmm00:47
IdleOnestill don't like it00:47
IdleOne!classic is <reply> The default interface in Ubuntu 11.04 is !Unity. You can switch back to regular !Gnome by logging out and clicking on your user name, in the Session box at the bottom of the screen select Ubuntu Classic.00:48
ubottuI'll remember that, IdleOne00:48
IdleOnefeel free to reword it if needed00:49
IdleOne!classic > janisozaur00:49
bazhanghonsson trolling multiple channels02:03
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Madpilotso how much of a gongshow has #u been?07:55
bazhangnot that bad, considering.07:56
Jordan_UI wish we could have the partybot in #ubuntu, but kicking people who come in just to say "I hate unity".07:57
bazhangor forward them to -complaints07:57
Jordan_UDid anyone else see Neo_Kipling join #ubuntu twice?08:15
bazhangyes08:15
genii-aroundyup08:15
Jordan_UHow does that work?08:15
Madpiloti and 108:16
Madpilotlook closely at the nicks08:16
Jordan_UAhh, of course.08:16
Madpilotstill not sure why he/she/it feels the need to be doubly present, though...08:17
tsimpsonit's not very uncommon to see multiple connections from the same user/host, it's only when you see more than 4 or 5 from the same host that you need to start being suspicious08:24
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from ultimate_chaos)09:32
genii-aroundI suspect Ubuntu-user may be trolling me09:33
Jordan_USo many people trying to "game the system" in #ubuntu recently.09:53
ikoniain what respect?09:54
Jordan_UUbuntu_user asking "Is 11.04 a stable release" just to get someone to respond to them and ask them further questions, Ady^ asking "support questions" which are really continuations of his ranting.09:55
ikoniayes, I see what you mean09:57
Jordan_UCould someone watch for 71-213-48-125.slkc.qwest.net advertising their shell / asking for beta testers in #ubuntu? This is the second time, I wasn't at the computer when they did it the first time.10:11
ikoniaok10:11
Jordan_UThanks.10:11
ubottuIn ubottu, botcity said: !ureset is If you want to reset Unity (this will only reset the Unity settings in CompizConfig Settings Manager and leave the other CCSM settings intact) in terminal (or press ALT + F2) and enter: unity --reset10:37
ubottuIn ubottu, botcity said: !uicons is If you want to reset the Unity Launcher icons (dock bar on the left) to their initial state, run the following command: unity --reset-icons10:38
ikoniaI wonder if it's worth changing the default sudo rules to exclude "su"11:35
ikoniaLjL: can you keep an eye on #ubuntu please (assuming your active)14:04
LjLok14:04
ikoniata14:05
ikoniaI'm going to be in and out and there are a few odd balls being active14:05
ikonia@btlogin14:19
LjLif you're looking for phix, yes, there is a reason i have him on weird-colored highlight14:19
LjLhe'll probably address me saying "ljl!!!!" or something now14:19
ikoniaI'm sure he's banned14:20
ikoniahe's not, my mistake, about 100+ comments and removed bans though :)14:20
ikoniaI wonder what his intentions are14:20
LjLlet's see14:22
ikoniacan't be bothered14:23
LjLgoing to try out natty a bit more14:34
phix....14:35
phixNow why was I banned this time :/14:35
ikoniayou know why, lets not bother with this - just leave14:36
phixsomething about language, but it couldn't be that as I didn't swear or use racial slurs or anything14:37
phixso I am confused14:37
ikoniaphix: what does FFS mean ? what does WTF mean ? what does POS mean ?14:37
phixLast I checked using abbreviations or acronyms were not against Ubuntu policy14:38
ikoniathey you didn't check14:38
ikonialook - you're a persitant problem user, you try to be provocative all the time, lets not waste any more time with this14:39
ikoniayou know the rules, you constantly want to break them or push them, lets just move along rather than repeat this tiresome song and dance14:39
phixthose abbreviations could mean anything, I didn't use any swear words, you are just being pedantic14:39
ikoniano14:39
ikoniaeveryone knows what they mean14:39
ikoniayou know what they mean, thats why you came in swaying "I'm not swearing FFS"14:39
phixso you dont like me and use the tiniest excuse to ban me?14:39
ikoniaso drop the act - move along, you're not getting unbanned14:40
phixsounds like your the issue here14:40
ikoniaI don't not like you, I just don't see the reason to allow someone who constantly breaks the rules or trys to push them to use the channels, it's that simple14:40
ikoniaso you're not getting unbanned - lets move along14:40
phix:/14:40
ikoniaplease leave the channel now14:41
phixsure thing14:41
ikoniathnaks14:41
ikoniathanks14:41
phix<314:41
ikonia_Onryo_ is pm'ing me telling me he has multiple core developers refusing to work on ubuntu now15:25
ikoniaI'm ignoring it as it's the same guy15:25
ikoniaunity --reset15:47
ikoniaseems to be hot command of the month15:47
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (sffreer appears to be abusive - 6)17:40
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (16))17:40
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (sffreer appears to be abusive - 6)17:43
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (luisgrin appears to be abusive - 4)17:43
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (sffreer appears to be abusive - 6)17:52
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from sffreer)17:52
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (werjw appears to be abusive - 6)17:57
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (16))17:57
ubottuedbian called the ops in #ubuntu ()17:57
IdleOneIRCC can I request that LjL's oppiness be extended for a week or two if he is willing of course?18:02
IdleOnemay I*18:03
IdleOne:)18:03
LjLheh18:20
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (IdleSixteen appears to be abusive - 6)18:20
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (IdleSixteen appears to be abusive - 6)18:20
tsimpsonshame we don't have idoru...18:21
LjLwhat would idoru change exactly?18:22
tsimpsonit would catch them18:22
LjLyeah well floodbot catches them after one line18:23
tsimpsonidoru would have too, due to the nicks18:23
tsimpson*mass highlight18:23
IdleOnehate to disagree tsimpson but -ot got it 3 times18:24
IdleOnebefore idoru killed18:24
tsimpsonidoru was never in -ot18:24
LjLanyway again what's the difference?18:24
LjLthey get k-lined instead of muted? fine18:24
LjLnot like they reuse the same address18:24
LjLidoru is in -ot18:24
tsimpsonthe trial isn't over anyway, so we'll just have to see if this is a one-off or not18:25
LjLit's not a matter of it being a one off, it's a matter of the floodbot handling it as well as possible already. and alarm bells are going off everywhere so staff might as well k-line if they want to18:29
LjLbots aren't there to substitute humans18:29
LjLthey're there to be faster than humans when that's required18:29
LjLthat's why the floodbots mute and warn humans18:29
ikoniatonyyarusso: IdleOne last few ones have been seventeen - open to suggestions18:37
IdleOne+b idle*!*@*18:37
IdleOne+e IdleOne18:37
tonyyarussoIdleOne: Yeah, I'm thinking so.  Will try.18:37
tonyyarussoikonia: see the whois - he's cycling, clearly.18:37
nhandlerikonia: They are using random numbers18:37
ikoniaagreed, but the last few had been seventeen, best I've got18:38
LjLthey're hitting #debian hard18:38
ikoniawonder why they picked idleone ?18:38
tonyyarussoIdleOne: +e IdleOne or +e IdleOne!*@*?  How does it handle the former?18:38
LjLikonia: because idleone kicked one of them18:38
ikoniaoh18:38
IdleOneikonia: I banned him the first couple of times in #u18:38
tonyyarussois IdleOne even in #debian?18:39
IdleOnetonyyarusso: +e IdleOne@/member/ubuntu/idleone I guess18:39
IdleOnetonyyarusso: I am18:39
tonyyarussommk18:39
IdleOnenot sure how to set a +e for nick@cloak18:39
IdleOnes/@/@member/18:40
IdleOneerr you know what I mean l;ol18:40
tsimpsonuse the account $a:NickServAccount18:40
tonyyarussooh, fancy new stuff, right18:41
LjL"new" :P18:42
* LjL gives tonyyarusso a very light pat on the back hoping his old age doesn't make him fall over18:42
tonyyarussoYou're close enough to pat me on the back?  Why are you on my lawn?18:43
IdleOnedid you set that in #ubuntu also?18:43
* LjL backs off18:43
tonyyarussoIdleOne: Not yet, no.18:44
ubottuLjL called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (logick)18:47
tonyyarussoIdleOne: all set18:47
ubottulogick called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (LjL being a white knight faggot)18:47
IdleOnetonyyarusso: cool. hate that we have to do this but I think for now it probably best.18:48
ubottulogick called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (lets all get naked and masturbate to ubuntu)18:48
tonyyarussoIdleOne: Yeah.18:48
IdleOnelogick is also in #u18:49
LjLand #debian, and #freenode18:49
LjLwhich is VERY SURPRISING18:49
tonyyarussoIdleOne: My remove script adds a hilight, so I'll see if they talk there.18:49
ikoniaok - he's still in #ubuntu18:49
IdleOnenot saying to ban yet but just in case keep eyes open18:49
ikoniaaccording to the /whois18:50
ikoniahe's also still able to see thing sin #ubuntu-offtopic after removal so he clearly has another nick in there18:50
ikoniahe's pm'ing me18:50
tonyyarussoooooh, me too!18:50
ikoniahow is he still showing up in #ubuntu ?18:50
LjLhe wasn't banned?18:51
ikoniaI don't see him in there18:51
IdleOnehe wasn't removed18:51
ikoniaha ha ha ha ha18:51
ikoniathe idiots got my old accounts address from a domain18:51
ikoniahe's pm'ing it to me saying he's sending people around18:51
ikoniaalthough I do feel it is time for freenode to step in now18:51
LjLnot like they can do much18:52
ikoniatake him off the network would be helpful18:52
ikoniaI can't figure out why /whois shows him as in #ubuntu though18:52
LjLsure, but that's obviously not his real address18:52
IdleOneikonia: because he is still in the channel and was not removed/banned18:53
ikoniathey are clever chaps/ladies, I'm sure they can do something18:53
ikoniaIdleOne: I don't show him as in the channel though18:53
IdleOneok he is out now heh18:53
ikoniahow odd, I couldn't see him at all18:53
logickikonia, aka Matty D baned me because i challenged his already low self esteem18:55
logicki'll buy him a male hooker if i can be unbanned18:55
logick:P18:55
tonyyarussoNo.18:55
logick<logick>  13 Coromandel Heights18:55
logick<logick>         Camden Row18:55
logick<logick>         Bath18:55
logick<logick>         United Kingdom18:55
LjLi'll unban you if you buy me one18:55
logickeven if i mail him a sorry letter there?18:55
ikoniaI hope my old accounts enjoy hookers :)18:56
ikoniaalthough does mean there are a few domains I need to update18:56
ubottuxangua called the ops in #ubuntu (crasbe)19:48
OnryoToday I had a rather usual encoder with an op by the handle ikonia. By baning one person at the IT company I work for he ended up banning over 20 other programmers.20:05
Onryoencounter*20:05
OnryoToday our boss wanted us to integrate some extra Wayland code into the X-stack for Natty. A few of us from the company I work for dropped into #ubuntu to ask for some info on the topic. One of the guys (syn3rgy) on our network asked an “iffy” qustion and was banned.20:06
ikoniathere was nothing unusual about it20:07
Onryo I had only explained to a user (that asked about their wifi) that the blobs in the mac80211 stack where included in 2.6.38. That he did not need external ieee80211 drivers.20:07
ikoniaand I explained to you clearly what happened20:07
ikoniaOnryo: you are now telling lies20:07
Onryoikonia I have the full wireshark TCP dump of everthing that was said.20:07
ikoniaearlier you are saying it was two seperate people who used your account20:08
ikoniait will prove you have just told lies20:08
ikoniathat's great20:08
ikoniayou said it was another user who asked about the mac stack - you've just said you told a user about the mac stack20:08
OnryoYes that is correct20:08
ikoniathe person speaking about the mac stack (check the logs) was syn3rgy20:08
ikoniayou said syn3rgy was a different person.20:08
ikoniayou've just said "you" where telling a user about it - not syn3rgy20:09
ikoniayour story does not add up20:09
ikonianeither do other things about our private conversation20:09
ikoniasuch as your boss pm'ing me to tell me he was in the same room as you and you stormed out20:09
Onryoand that I had wrote a script that would compile all of FFmpeg, VP8 and x264 so that anybody could use it.20:09
LjL[Sun May 1 2011] [15:00:18] Nick        syn3rgy is now known as Onryo.20:09
ikoniathen earlier you said you had to phone your boss to complain about the other users20:09
ikoniaLjL: I know this - I point it out to him, the explination was that syn3rgy has hacked his account20:09
Onryoikonia this is true.20:09
ikoniaso I'm leaving the ban in place as we can't trust this company to not exploit each others account20:10
ikoniaOnryo: nothing has changed since our conversation earlier - apart from your comments in here casting more doubt20:10
ikoniathe ban won't be removed at this time20:10
OnryoThe account was not hacked as it turned out. Synergy had dropped a MITM attack on my account. My password is changed20:11
ikoniawell, doesn't change anything20:11
ikoniathe ban will stay20:11
OnryoYou banned some of the coders that are working on the kernel for Ubuntu (the Swedish ones) when you dropped the ban hammer.20:11
ikoniathats fine20:12
ikoniaI am comfortable with that decision20:12
LjLtmccrary warned, i won't cut him much slack20:12
ikoniaLjL: agreed20:12
Onryoikonia show me one place where I had said one word that was disrespectful or of bad taste.20:13
ikoniaOnryo: even a retard can use this"20:13
ikoniabut anyway that is not the only reason I've banned you - as I've explained20:13
ikoniayou/syn3rgy's in ability to stay on topic, is a core one20:13
OnryoPushing 1-5 is not that hard.20:13
ikoniaOnryo: I don't think it's hard, that is not th epoint20:14
ikoniaOnryo: anyway, the ban will stay in place, nothing has changed and you've only cast more doubt, so I think we we are done20:14
Onryoikonia Synergy has nothing to do with me!20:14
ikoniahe used your account and ip address, your responsilibity20:14
ikoniaand you admit it was you who used the phrase retard20:14
OnryoWe many ppl at the company.20:14
ikoniatherefore your responsible - sorry, it's not going to change20:15
ikoniaI don't care if it's 1 or 100, you are responsible20:15
OnryoI wrote a program (the first one out for Natty) that will fully compile from git FFmpeg, VP8 (googles code) and the git for x264 for Natty.20:16
ikoniaI don't care20:16
OnryoAll the user has to do is push 1 button20:16
ikoniaas I told you in pm - I am not interested in what software you wrote20:16
ikoniayou keep repeating this20:16
ikoniaI am now sure you are wasting my time - so please leave20:16
OnryoYes I think a retarded person can do that. Would you like to install this y/n20:16
ikoniaOnryo: please leave this channel now20:17
ikoniatotal time waster in pm - now confirmed in this channel20:18
ikonia@mark #ubuntu-ops Onryo lies and time wasting20:18
ubottuThe operation succeeded.20:18
ikonianow pm'ing me to tell me about backtrack linux randomly20:19
ikoniajust threatened to set the backtrack development team on me20:21
Tm_Thi all20:30
IdleOneheya Tm_T20:30
IdleOneikonia: something tells me bt devs have more important things to deal with.20:31
ikoniaagreed, most of the ones I've delt with have been exceptionally nice and helpful20:32
IdleOneindeed20:32
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ikoniahello T3mp3sT20:51
ikoniahello tempest_BSD20:51
tempest_BSDhello20:51
ikoniacan we help you ?20:51
ikoniatempest_BSD: can we help you ?20:55
ikoniahello LarsEek21:11
LarsEeksry about that its tempest here.21:12
ikoniano problem21:12
ikoniahello21:12
LarsEekwhats going on?21:12
ikonianothing, how can we help ?21:12
LarsEekWell as I was saying one of our main devs just sent out a mass mail to all the guys working on Ubuntu to stop???21:13
ikoniaok21:14
LarsEekThe Swedish team.21:14
ikoniaok21:14
LarsEekI am not going to snoop around with him and ask "why" since he has a lot of weight.21:14
ikoniaok, how can we help you then ?21:14
LarsEekbut I heard something had went down with the devs at Ubuntu on irc?21:15
LarsEekso I wanted to know what had was going on.21:15
ikoniawell, that's nothing to do with you, so unless ther is something you need from us21:15
ikoniathere even21:15
LarsEekI have like 300 hours of work that I was going to send to Canonical. I really don't know what to do now.21:16
LarsEekIs this something I should talk to them about?21:16
ikoniatalk to the people telling you not to work21:16
ikonianothing we can help you with here21:16
LarsEekplz if you know ANYTHING about what set off Erik let me/us know.21:17
ikoniano21:17
LarsEekWas it a fight about the x-server and Wayland?21:17
ikoniaI suggest you talk to the people you work with, we have nothing to do with it21:18
ikoniaLarsEek: talk to your team please.21:18
LarsEekLook the word Ubuntu means "to work together and unity" This is not working together.21:18
LarsEekIt is silly pride.21:19
ikoniaLarsEek: we have nothing to discuss with you, if you have a problem with what your team members are mailing out, talk to them21:19
LjLLarsEek: we are ops on IRC. we know not a thing about what's going on within the Swedish team.21:19
LarsEekOK do you know what # this all happened on?21:19
LarsEekThat is why I came to you21:19
LjLi know i don't21:19
ikoniaLarsEek: for the last time - talk to the people in your team21:20
LarsEekIt is not just a "team" of kids we are talking about here.21:20
ikoniaI don't think it is21:20
ikoniahence why I'm saying talk to them21:20
LarsEekThe mail in Swedish was to ALL the devs in Sweden and a lot in Norway to stop all devolpment on Ubuntu asap. Nothing is to be sent to the git servers. That is saying a lot. Who should I talk to at Canonical?21:22
LjL*i don't know*21:22
LjLi'm not pretending i don't know21:22
LjLi really don't know21:22
ikoniathe person who sent the email would be a good start21:22
LjLsend a mail to the loco council21:22
LjLsend a mail to the community council21:22
LjLi guess?21:22
LjLbut i don't know21:22
PiciPehaps the Tech Board too?21:23
LarsEekI guess Mark S?21:23
ikoniathe person who sent the mail would be where I start21:23
LarsEekIt was a guy who works with us who is the head dev. His name is Erik and goes by Onryo21:23
LarsEekI am sure if you google him you will know who he is.21:24
ikoniathen talk to HIM, not us21:24
ikoniaI don't care who he is21:24
LarsEekHe is my boss.21:24
ikoniatalk to him them21:24
ikoniathen21:24
LarsEekIs Canonical the ones behind ubuntu on Freenode?21:25
LjLyes, the channels here are official21:25
LjLhowever it's not like we're very much in touch with Canonical directly, to be honest21:26
LarsEekOK that is good to know.21:26
LjLthere are several layers in between21:26
LarsEekWe have the right to push code to the git servers for them. So I don't think that is a problem.21:26
LarsEekThing is that I don't want any problems.21:27
LarsEekI just want to send my code that I worked REALLY hard on and not get a bunch of crap for it.21:27
LarsEekWe don't have anything to say about Unity though.21:27
ikoniathen resolve it with the person who told you not to do it21:27
LarsEekThat is Onryo21:28
ikoniano-one in here/canonical has told you not to do it - so it's nothing to do with here21:28
ikoniatalk to the person who told you not to do it, and resolve it with HIM21:28
LarsEekI give up. I am going back to normal coding after this. Debian is friendly and works together. Sad it came to this.21:29
ikoniaok21:29
LarsEekikonia I am sensing with your "oks" that you have a personal interest in what is going on here?21:32
ikonianot at all21:33
ikoniajust nothing we can do here to help you21:33
LarsEekBe honest. Do you know what this is about?21:33
ikoniaLarsEek: we cannot help you with this,21:33
LjLyou too. do you?21:33
ikoniaLarsEek: I suggest you contac tthe person with the email and leave this channel21:33
ikoniawe can do nothing for you21:34
LarsEekThere are ppl right now over at some kids hangout called 4chan talking about using lame toys like LOIC.21:36
LjL!ops | LarsEek21:36
ubottuLarsEek: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) -  Tm_T, tritium, elky, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, imbrandon, PriceChild, Madpilot, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, tsimpson, gnomefreak, jussi, topyli, or nhandler!21:36
ubottuLjL called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (LarsEek)21:36
topylistrange people21:37
ikoniaI'll mail Linus and tell him the Swedish team have down tooled and that this months kernel will be delayed21:38
topylihaha21:38
popey:)21:38
ikoniaserious stuff21:38
ikonialars has logged off now, must have gone back to those 300 hours for work for canonical21:39
popeyswitching nick I'd imagine21:39
LjLor preparing LOIC21:39
topylii'm just suppressing my swede jokes21:40
ikoniathe puppet master _Onryo_ is still online....I wonder where this is all being done from......21:40
LjLjag känner en troll...21:41
ikoniaimpressive21:41
LjLbut true!21:42
LjLgonna give natty another try21:45
topyliljl will never upgrade from kde 1.2 :(21:50
ikoniathe troll factor is HIGH today22:06
CoreyI like how this impressive dev was running as root to IRC.22:09
tonyyarussoArrrrgh.  Why is it so darn difficult to set up a non-NAT network connection with virt-manager / KVM?23:15
ikoniaone of my pet hates23:16

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