[00:08] <IdleOne> bazhang: i removed the quiet on Juest earlier today iirc. I didn't see the comments he made in here. sorry.
[00:35] <Jordan_U> It was Ubusuer, 37054, that I was remembering.
[00:36] <Jordan_U> s/Ubusuer/ubuser/
[00:42] <LjL> he's so right though :P
[00:43] <IdleOne> !classic
[00:44] <LjL> !Unity and !GNOME, aside from that looks ok :P
[00:44] <LjL> not for a moment
[00:45] <IdleOne> I am not sure about the wording
[00:47] <IdleOne> How is this? -- !classic is The default interface since 11.04 is !Unity. You can switch back to regular !Gnome by logging out and clicking on your user name, in the Session box at the bottom of the screen select Ubuntu Classic.
[00:47] <IdleOne> hmm
[00:47] <IdleOne> still don't like it
[00:48] <IdleOne> !classic is <reply> The default interface in Ubuntu 11.04 is !Unity. You can switch back to regular !Gnome by logging out and clicking on your user name, in the Session box at the bottom of the screen select Ubuntu Classic.
[00:49] <IdleOne> feel free to reword it if needed
[00:49] <IdleOne> !classic > janisozaur
[02:03] <bazhang> honsson trolling multiple channels
[07:55] <Madpilot> so how much of a gongshow has #u been?
[07:56] <bazhang> not that bad, considering.
[07:57] <Jordan_U> I wish we could have the partybot in #ubuntu, but kicking people who come in just to say "I hate unity".
[07:57] <bazhang> or forward them to -complaints
[08:15] <Jordan_U> Did anyone else see Neo_Kipling join #ubuntu twice?
[08:15] <bazhang> yes
[08:15] <genii-around> yup
[08:15] <Jordan_U> How does that work?
[08:16] <Madpilot> i and 1
[08:16] <Madpilot> look closely at the nicks
[08:16] <Jordan_U> Ahh, of course.
[08:17] <Madpilot> still not sure why he/she/it feels the need to be doubly present, though...
[08:24] <tsimpson> it's not very uncommon to see multiple connections from the same user/host, it's only when you see more than 4 or 5 from the same host that you need to start being suspicious
[09:33] <genii-around> I suspect Ubuntu-user may be trolling me
[09:53] <Jordan_U> So many people trying to "game the system" in #ubuntu recently.
[09:54] <ikonia> in what respect?
[09:55] <Jordan_U> Ubuntu_user asking "Is 11.04 a stable release" just to get someone to respond to them and ask them further questions, Ady^ asking "support questions" which are really continuations of his ranting.
[09:57] <ikonia> yes, I see what you mean
[10:11] <Jordan_U> Could someone watch for 71-213-48-125.slkc.qwest.net advertising their shell / asking for beta testers in #ubuntu? This is the second time, I wasn't at the computer when they did it the first time.
[10:11] <ikonia> ok
[10:11] <Jordan_U> Thanks.
[11:35] <ikonia> I wonder if it's worth changing the default sudo rules to exclude "su"
[14:04] <ikonia> LjL: can you keep an eye on #ubuntu please (assuming your active)
[14:04] <LjL> ok
[14:05] <ikonia> ta
[14:05] <ikonia> I'm going to be in and out and there are a few odd balls being active
[14:19] <ikonia> @btlogin
[14:19] <LjL> if you're looking for phix, yes, there is a reason i have him on weird-colored highlight
[14:19] <LjL> he'll probably address me saying "ljl!!!!" or something now
[14:20] <ikonia> I'm sure he's banned
[14:20] <ikonia> he's not, my mistake, about 100+ comments and removed bans though :)
[14:20] <ikonia> I wonder what his intentions are
[14:22] <LjL> let's see
[14:23] <ikonia> can't be bothered
[14:34] <LjL> going to try out natty a bit more
[14:35] <phix> ....
[14:35] <phix> Now why was I banned this time :/
[14:36] <ikonia> you know why, lets not bother with this - just leave
[14:37] <phix> something about language, but it couldn't be that as I didn't swear or use racial slurs or anything
[14:37] <phix> so I am confused
[14:37] <ikonia> phix: what does FFS mean ? what does WTF mean ? what does POS mean ?
[14:38] <phix> Last I checked using abbreviations or acronyms were not against Ubuntu policy
[14:38] <ikonia> they you didn't check
[14:39] <ikonia> look - you're a persitant problem user, you try to be provocative all the time, lets not waste any more time with this
[14:39] <ikonia> you know the rules, you constantly want to break them or push them, lets just move along rather than repeat this tiresome song and dance
[14:39] <phix> those abbreviations could mean anything, I didn't use any swear words, you are just being pedantic
[14:39] <ikonia> no
[14:39] <ikonia> everyone knows what they mean
[14:39] <ikonia> you know what they mean, thats why you came in swaying "I'm not swearing FFS"
[14:39] <phix> so you dont like me and use the tiniest excuse to ban me?
[14:40] <ikonia> so drop the act - move along, you're not getting unbanned
[14:40] <phix> sounds like your the issue here
[14:40] <ikonia> I don't not like you, I just don't see the reason to allow someone who constantly breaks the rules or trys to push them to use the channels, it's that simple
[14:40] <ikonia> so you're not getting unbanned - lets move along
[14:40] <phix> :/
[14:41] <ikonia> please leave the channel now
[14:41] <phix> sure thing
[14:41] <ikonia> thnaks
[14:41] <ikonia> thanks
[14:41] <phix> <3
[15:25] <ikonia> _Onryo_ is pm'ing me telling me he has multiple core developers refusing to work on ubuntu now
[15:25] <ikonia> I'm ignoring it as it's the same guy
[15:47] <ikonia> unity --reset
[15:47] <ikonia> seems to be hot command of the month
[18:02] <IdleOne> IRCC can I request that LjL's oppiness be extended for a week or two if he is willing of course?
[18:03] <IdleOne> may I*
[18:03] <IdleOne> :)
[18:20] <LjL> heh
[18:21] <tsimpson> shame we don't have idoru...
[18:22] <LjL> what would idoru change exactly?
[18:22] <tsimpson> it would catch them
[18:23] <LjL> yeah well floodbot catches them after one line
[18:23] <tsimpson> idoru would have too, due to the nicks
[18:23] <tsimpson> *mass highlight
[18:24] <IdleOne> hate to disagree tsimpson but -ot got it 3 times
[18:24] <IdleOne> before idoru killed
[18:24] <tsimpson> idoru was never in -ot
[18:24] <LjL> anyway again what's the difference?
[18:24] <LjL> they get k-lined instead of muted? fine
[18:24] <LjL> not like they reuse the same address
[18:24] <LjL> idoru is in -ot
[18:25] <tsimpson> the trial isn't over anyway, so we'll just have to see if this is a one-off or not
[18:29] <LjL> it's not a matter of it being a one off, it's a matter of the floodbot handling it as well as possible already. and alarm bells are going off everywhere so staff might as well k-line if they want to
[18:29] <LjL> bots aren't there to substitute humans
[18:29] <LjL> they're there to be faster than humans when that's required
[18:29] <LjL> that's why the floodbots mute and warn humans
[18:37] <ikonia> tonyyarusso: IdleOne last few ones have been seventeen - open to suggestions
[18:37] <IdleOne> +b idle*!*@*
[18:37] <IdleOne> +e IdleOne
[18:37] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: Yeah, I'm thinking so.  Will try.
[18:37] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: see the whois - he's cycling, clearly.
[18:37] <nhandler> ikonia: They are using random numbers
[18:38] <ikonia> agreed, but the last few had been seventeen, best I've got
[18:38] <LjL> they're hitting #debian hard
[18:38] <ikonia> wonder why they picked idleone ?
[18:38] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: +e IdleOne or +e IdleOne!*@*?  How does it handle the former?
[18:38] <LjL> ikonia: because idleone kicked one of them
[18:38] <ikonia> oh
[18:38] <IdleOne> ikonia: I banned him the first couple of times in #u
[18:39] <tonyyarusso> is IdleOne even in #debian?
[18:39] <IdleOne> tonyyarusso: +e IdleOne@/member/ubuntu/idleone I guess
[18:39] <IdleOne> tonyyarusso: I am
[18:39] <tonyyarusso> mmk
[18:39] <IdleOne> not sure how to set a +e for nick@cloak
[18:40] <IdleOne> s/@/@member/
[18:40] <IdleOne> err you know what I mean l;ol
[18:40] <tsimpson> use the account $a:NickServAccount
[18:41] <tonyyarusso> oh, fancy new stuff, right
[18:42] <LjL> "new" :P
[18:42]  * LjL gives tonyyarusso a very light pat on the back hoping his old age doesn't make him fall over
[18:43] <tonyyarusso> You're close enough to pat me on the back?  Why are you on my lawn?
[18:43] <IdleOne> did you set that in #ubuntu also?
[18:43]  * LjL backs off
[18:44] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: Not yet, no.
[18:47] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: all set
[18:48] <IdleOne> tonyyarusso: cool. hate that we have to do this but I think for now it probably best.
[18:48] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: Yeah.
[18:49] <IdleOne> logick is also in #u
[18:49] <LjL> and #debian, and #freenode
[18:49] <LjL> which is VERY SURPRISING
[18:49] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: My remove script adds a hilight, so I'll see if they talk there.
[18:49] <ikonia> ok - he's still in #ubuntu
[18:49] <IdleOne> not saying to ban yet but just in case keep eyes open
[18:50] <ikonia> according to the /whois
[18:50] <ikonia> he's also still able to see thing sin #ubuntu-offtopic after removal so he clearly has another nick in there
[18:50] <ikonia> he's pm'ing me
[18:50] <tonyyarusso> ooooh, me too!
[18:50] <ikonia> how is he still showing up in #ubuntu ?
[18:51] <LjL> he wasn't banned?
[18:51] <ikonia> I don't see him in there
[18:51] <IdleOne> he wasn't removed
[18:51] <ikonia> ha ha ha ha ha
[18:51] <ikonia> the idiots got my old accounts address from a domain
[18:51] <ikonia> he's pm'ing it to me saying he's sending people around
[18:51] <ikonia> although I do feel it is time for freenode to step in now
[18:52] <LjL> not like they can do much
[18:52] <ikonia> take him off the network would be helpful
[18:52] <ikonia> I can't figure out why /whois shows him as in #ubuntu though
[18:52] <LjL> sure, but that's obviously not his real address
[18:53] <IdleOne> ikonia: because he is still in the channel and was not removed/banned
[18:53] <ikonia> they are clever chaps/ladies, I'm sure they can do something
[18:53] <ikonia> IdleOne: I don't show him as in the channel though
[18:53] <IdleOne> ok he is out now heh
[18:53] <ikonia> how odd, I couldn't see him at all
[18:55] <logick> ikonia, aka Matty D baned me because i challenged his already low self esteem
[18:55] <logick> i'll buy him a male hooker if i can be unbanned
[18:55] <logick> :P
[18:55] <tonyyarusso> No.
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[18:55] <LjL> i'll unban you if you buy me one
[18:55] <logick> even if i mail him a sorry letter there?
[18:56] <ikonia> I hope my old accounts enjoy hookers :)
[18:56] <ikonia> although does mean there are a few domains I need to update
[20:05] <Onryo> Today I had a rather usual encoder with an op by the handle ikonia. By baning one person at the IT company I work for he ended up banning over 20 other programmers.
[20:05] <Onryo> encounter*
[20:06] <Onryo> Today our boss wanted us to integrate some extra Wayland code into the X-stack for Natty. A few of us from the company I work for dropped into #ubuntu to ask for some info on the topic. One of the guys (syn3rgy) on our network asked an “iffy” qustion and was banned.
[20:07] <ikonia> there was nothing unusual about it
[20:07] <Onryo>  I had only explained to a user (that asked about their wifi) that the blobs in the mac80211 stack where included in 2.6.38. That he did not need external ieee80211 drivers.
[20:07] <ikonia> and I explained to you clearly what happened
[20:07] <ikonia> Onryo: you are now telling lies
[20:07] <Onryo> ikonia I have the full wireshark TCP dump of everthing that was said.
[20:08] <ikonia> earlier you are saying it was two seperate people who used your account
[20:08] <ikonia> it will prove you have just told lies
[20:08] <ikonia> that's great
[20:08] <ikonia> you said it was another user who asked about the mac stack - you've just said you told a user about the mac stack
[20:08] <Onryo> Yes that is correct
[20:08] <ikonia> the person speaking about the mac stack (check the logs) was syn3rgy
[20:08] <ikonia> you said syn3rgy was a different person.
[20:09] <ikonia> you've just said "you" where telling a user about it - not syn3rgy
[20:09] <ikonia> your story does not add up
[20:09] <ikonia> neither do other things about our private conversation
[20:09] <ikonia> such as your boss pm'ing me to tell me he was in the same room as you and you stormed out
[20:09] <Onryo> and that I had wrote a script that would compile all of FFmpeg, VP8 and x264 so that anybody could use it.
[20:09] <LjL> [Sun May 1 2011] [15:00:18] Nick        syn3rgy is now known as Onryo.
[20:09] <ikonia> then earlier you said you had to phone your boss to complain about the other users
[20:09] <ikonia> LjL: I know this - I point it out to him, the explination was that syn3rgy has hacked his account
[20:09] <Onryo> ikonia this is true.
[20:10] <ikonia> so I'm leaving the ban in place as we can't trust this company to not exploit each others account
[20:10] <ikonia> Onryo: nothing has changed since our conversation earlier - apart from your comments in here casting more doubt
[20:10] <ikonia> the ban won't be removed at this time
[20:11] <Onryo> The account was not hacked as it turned out. Synergy had dropped a MITM attack on my account. My password is changed
[20:11] <ikonia> well, doesn't change anything
[20:11] <ikonia> the ban will stay
[20:11] <Onryo> You banned some of the coders that are working on the kernel for Ubuntu (the Swedish ones) when you dropped the ban hammer.
[20:12] <ikonia> thats fine
[20:12] <ikonia> I am comfortable with that decision
[20:12] <LjL> tmccrary warned, i won't cut him much slack
[20:12] <ikonia> LjL: agreed
[20:13] <Onryo> ikonia show me one place where I had said one word that was disrespectful or of bad taste.
[20:13] <ikonia> Onryo: even a retard can use this"
[20:13] <ikonia> but anyway that is not the only reason I've banned you - as I've explained
[20:13] <ikonia> you/syn3rgy's in ability to stay on topic, is a core one
[20:13] <Onryo> Pushing 1-5 is not that hard.
[20:14] <ikonia> Onryo: I don't think it's hard, that is not th epoint
[20:14] <ikonia> Onryo: anyway, the ban will stay in place, nothing has changed and you've only cast more doubt, so I think we we are done
[20:14] <Onryo> ikonia Synergy has nothing to do with me!
[20:14] <ikonia> he used your account and ip address, your responsilibity
[20:14] <ikonia> and you admit it was you who used the phrase retard
[20:14] <Onryo> We many ppl at the company.
[20:15] <ikonia> therefore your responsible - sorry, it's not going to change
[20:15] <ikonia> I don't care if it's 1 or 100, you are responsible
[20:16] <Onryo> I wrote a program (the first one out for Natty) that will fully compile from git FFmpeg, VP8 (googles code) and the git for x264 for Natty.
[20:16] <ikonia> I don't care
[20:16] <Onryo> All the user has to do is push 1 button
[20:16] <ikonia> as I told you in pm - I am not interested in what software you wrote
[20:16] <ikonia> you keep repeating this
[20:16] <ikonia> I am now sure you are wasting my time - so please leave
[20:16] <Onryo> Yes I think a retarded person can do that. Would you like to install this y/n
[20:17] <ikonia> Onryo: please leave this channel now
[20:18] <ikonia> total time waster in pm - now confirmed in this channel
[20:18] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops Onryo lies and time wasting
[20:19] <ikonia> now pm'ing me to tell me about backtrack linux randomly
[20:21] <ikonia> just threatened to set the backtrack development team on me
[20:30] <Tm_T> hi all
[20:30] <IdleOne> heya Tm_T
[20:31] <IdleOne> ikonia: something tells me bt devs have more important things to deal with.
[20:32] <ikonia> agreed, most of the ones I've delt with have been exceptionally nice and helpful
[20:32] <IdleOne> indeed
[20:51] <ikonia> hello T3mp3sT
[20:51] <ikonia> hello tempest_BSD
[20:51] <tempest_BSD> hello
[20:51] <ikonia> can we help you ?
[20:55] <ikonia> tempest_BSD: can we help you ?
[21:11] <ikonia> hello LarsEek
[21:12] <LarsEek> sry about that its tempest here.
[21:12] <ikonia> no problem
[21:12] <ikonia> hello
[21:12] <LarsEek> whats going on?
[21:12] <ikonia> nothing, how can we help ?
[21:13] <LarsEek> Well as I was saying one of our main devs just sent out a mass mail to all the guys working on Ubuntu to stop???
[21:14] <ikonia> ok
[21:14] <LarsEek> The Swedish team.
[21:14] <ikonia> ok
[21:14] <LarsEek> I am not going to snoop around with him and ask "why" since he has a lot of weight.
[21:14] <ikonia> ok, how can we help you then ?
[21:15] <LarsEek> but I heard something had went down with the devs at Ubuntu on irc?
[21:15] <LarsEek> so I wanted to know what had was going on.
[21:15] <ikonia> well, that's nothing to do with you, so unless ther is something you need from us
[21:15] <ikonia> there even
[21:16] <LarsEek> I have like 300 hours of work that I was going to send to Canonical. I really don't know what to do now.
[21:16] <LarsEek> Is this something I should talk to them about?
[21:16] <ikonia> talk to the people telling you not to work
[21:16] <ikonia> nothing we can help you with here
[21:17] <LarsEek> plz if you know ANYTHING about what set off Erik let me/us know.
[21:17] <ikonia> no
[21:17] <LarsEek> Was it a fight about the x-server and Wayland?
[21:18] <ikonia> I suggest you talk to the people you work with, we have nothing to do with it
[21:18] <ikonia> LarsEek: talk to your team please.
[21:18] <LarsEek> Look the word Ubuntu means "to work together and unity" This is not working together.
[21:19] <LarsEek> It is silly pride.
[21:19] <ikonia> LarsEek: we have nothing to discuss with you, if you have a problem with what your team members are mailing out, talk to them
[21:19] <LjL> LarsEek: we are ops on IRC. we know not a thing about what's going on within the Swedish team.
[21:19] <LarsEek> OK do you know what # this all happened on?
[21:19] <LarsEek> That is why I came to you
[21:19] <LjL> i know i don't
[21:20] <ikonia> LarsEek: for the last time - talk to the people in your team
[21:20] <LarsEek> It is not just a "team" of kids we are talking about here.
[21:20] <ikonia> I don't think it is
[21:20] <ikonia> hence why I'm saying talk to them
[21:22] <LarsEek> The mail in Swedish was to ALL the devs in Sweden and a lot in Norway to stop all devolpment on Ubuntu asap. Nothing is to be sent to the git servers. That is saying a lot. Who should I talk to at Canonical?
[21:22] <LjL> *i don't know*
[21:22] <LjL> i'm not pretending i don't know
[21:22] <LjL> i really don't know
[21:22] <ikonia> the person who sent the email would be a good start
[21:22] <LjL> send a mail to the loco council
[21:22] <LjL> send a mail to the community council
[21:22] <LjL> i guess?
[21:22] <LjL> but i don't know
[21:23] <Pici> Pehaps the Tech Board too?
[21:23] <LarsEek> I guess Mark S?
[21:23] <ikonia> the person who sent the mail would be where I start
[21:23] <LarsEek> It was a guy who works with us who is the head dev. His name is Erik and goes by Onryo
[21:24] <LarsEek> I am sure if you google him you will know who he is.
[21:24] <ikonia> then talk to HIM, not us
[21:24] <ikonia> I don't care who he is
[21:24] <LarsEek> He is my boss.
[21:24] <ikonia> talk to him them
[21:24] <ikonia> then
[21:25] <LarsEek> Is Canonical the ones behind ubuntu on Freenode?
[21:25] <LjL> yes, the channels here are official
[21:26] <LjL> however it's not like we're very much in touch with Canonical directly, to be honest
[21:26] <LarsEek> OK that is good to know.
[21:26] <LjL> there are several layers in between
[21:26] <LarsEek> We have the right to push code to the git servers for them. So I don't think that is a problem.
[21:27] <LarsEek> Thing is that I don't want any problems.
[21:27] <LarsEek> I just want to send my code that I worked REALLY hard on and not get a bunch of crap for it.
[21:27] <LarsEek> We don't have anything to say about Unity though.
[21:27] <ikonia> then resolve it with the person who told you not to do it
[21:28] <LarsEek> That is Onryo
[21:28] <ikonia> no-one in here/canonical has told you not to do it - so it's nothing to do with here
[21:28] <ikonia> talk to the person who told you not to do it, and resolve it with HIM
[21:29] <LarsEek> I give up. I am going back to normal coding after this. Debian is friendly and works together. Sad it came to this.
[21:29] <ikonia> ok
[21:32] <LarsEek> ikonia I am sensing with your "oks" that you have a personal interest in what is going on here?
[21:33] <ikonia> not at all
[21:33] <ikonia> just nothing we can do here to help you
[21:33] <LarsEek> Be honest. Do you know what this is about?
[21:33] <ikonia> LarsEek: we cannot help you with this,
[21:33] <LjL> you too. do you?
[21:33] <ikonia> LarsEek: I suggest you contac tthe person with the email and leave this channel
[21:34] <ikonia> we can do nothing for you
[21:36] <LarsEek> There are ppl right now over at some kids hangout called 4chan talking about using lame toys like LOIC.
[21:36] <LjL> !ops | LarsEek
[21:37] <topyli> strange people
[21:38] <ikonia> I'll mail Linus and tell him the Swedish team have down tooled and that this months kernel will be delayed
[21:38] <topyli> haha
[21:38] <popey> :)
[21:38] <ikonia> serious stuff
[21:39] <ikonia> lars has logged off now, must have gone back to those 300 hours for work for canonical
[21:39] <popey> switching nick I'd imagine
[21:39] <LjL> or preparing LOIC
[21:40] <topyli> i'm just suppressing my swede jokes
[21:40] <ikonia> the puppet master _Onryo_ is still online....I wonder where this is all being done from......
[21:41] <LjL> jag känner en troll...
[21:41] <ikonia> impressive
[21:42] <LjL> but true!
[21:45] <LjL> gonna give natty another try
[21:50] <topyli> ljl will never upgrade from kde 1.2 :(
[22:06] <ikonia> the troll factor is HIGH today
[22:09] <Corey> I like how this impressive dev was running as root to IRC.
[23:15] <tonyyarusso> Arrrrgh.  Why is it so darn difficult to set up a non-NAT network connection with virt-manager / KVM?
[23:16] <ikonia> one of my pet hates