[00:35] <macinnisrr> ScottL: Hi! I'm wondering how close to complete ubuntstudio 11.04 is, and whether it would be wise to begin building a livecd at this point. I'm building a livecd of Dream Studio as we speak, and would be happy to build an ubuntustudio version as soon as you give the go ahead. Also, I'm not sure what space is available at ubuntustudio.org. Could we host such a disc at that server?
[00:39] <macinnisrr> BTW, I've been diving into ubiquity's code, and it seems like it will be surprisingly easy to add support for a lowlatency/realtime kernel (where ubiquity automatically chooses whether it should be PAE or not), as well as to add support for a package chooser like we discussed (so people can opges
[00:43] <falktx> hey macinnisrr
[00:43] <macinnisrr> falktx: hey! How's the natty conversion going?
[00:45] <macinnisrr> god damn it! empathy in natty is apparently not working very well. I'm having it freeze up every time I type a message long enough to need word wrap.
[00:46] <macinnisrr> nevermind. I see everyone else joining the room at the same time. Maybe it's freenode.
[00:48] <falktx> macinnisrr: i think it's just you...
[00:49] <falktx> macinnisrr: natty is going a bit slower than I would like
[00:49] <macinnisrr> falktx: probably :)
[00:49] <falktx> macinnisrr: did you got to make the cinelerra mod ?
[00:50] <macinnisrr> falktx:  Yeah, for me too. The cinelerra mod is taking longer than I anticipated. Although I didn't think it would be an overnight thing, as I need to not only draw every button in GIMP manually, and subsequently edit the source package...
[00:51] <macinnisrr> wow. This is driving me nuts.
[00:53] <falktx> hehe
[00:53] <falktx> macinnisrr: use webchat.freenode.com/net
[00:53] <macinnisrr> anyway. My wife was recently diagnosed with cancer, so I've been spending less time developing, and because the cinelerra mod is by far the most work of all the things I want to do with Dream Studio, I've put it on the backburner, hoping to get it done sometime between now and 11.10
[00:54] <macinnisrr> falktx: I think I'll do that...
[00:55] <macinnisrr1> here i am back again, but in a browser.
[00:55] <falktx> macinnisrr1: welcome
[00:57] <macinnisrr1> falktx: anyway, as I was saying: Natty's taking longer here too. I thought I might be able to release Dream Studio on the 28th, but my customization's aren't playing well with the livecd....
[00:58] <macinnisrr1> oh my god. I can't believe I just put an apostrophe on a plural.
[00:59] <falktx> macinnisrr1: which icon theme are you using?
[00:59] <falktx> macinnisrr1: btw, I made a metacity theme based on ambience, but with the new kxstudio colors
[01:01] <macinnisrr1> faltktx: hydroxygen icon set, with custom folder and navigation icons that match  ubuntustudio colors. Also, I'm using unity by default , so I've made a new metacity theme that matches. What are your new colors?
[01:04] <macinnisrr1> hydroxygen icon set can be found here: http://deviantdark.deviantart.com/art/hydroxygen-iconset-100826865
[01:05] <falktx> macinnisrr1: old screenshot -> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/screenshots/scr001.png
[01:05] <falktx> macinnisrr1: I hadnt made the metacity theme at that time yet
[01:06] <macinnisrr1> falktx: looks cool! I see you're running unity too. Let me upload a couple shots of what I've worked out....
[01:07] <falktx> let me try to get a new screen
[01:09] <falktx> hm... need to relogin
[01:12] <macinnisrr_> https://picasaweb.google.com/macinnisrr/DreamStudio1104?authkey=Gv1sRgCMyxjeTMyrCuSA&feat=directlink
[01:13] <falktx> checking
[01:13] <macinnisrr_> here are some shots of the new Dream Studio (and possibly future Ubuntu Studio) themes. The wallpaper is dynamic, BTW, and changes from light to dark based on time of day.
[01:14] <falktx> macinnisrr_: amazing stuff...
[01:14] <macinnisrr_> Thanks!
[01:14] <macinnisrr_> as you'll notice, the panel transparency matches the dock, and the window buttons match what unity shows when maximized, providing a clean, unified experience ;-)
[01:15] <falktx> yep, nice work there
[01:15] <falktx> macinnisrr_: here's mine -> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/screenshots/scr002.png
[01:15] <ScottL> macinnisrr_, ubuntu studio11.04 is released
[01:16] <ScottL> macinnisrr_, you can find it here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/11.04/release/
[01:16] <falktx> macinnisrr_: how do we enable white 'systray' icons?
[01:16] <ScottL> we havent't updated the website because only apparently only one guy has access and he is scarcer than intelligence in congress
[01:17] <falktx> btw, ScottL, ailo, holstein, current theme of kxstudio <-> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/screenshots/scr002.png
[01:17] <macinnisrr_> falktx: nice! I like how you've brought the classic kxstudio look to unity. The system tray icons are part of a package called hydroxygen-mono, which is based on ubuntu-mono.
[01:18] <falktx> macinnisrr_: hm... it doesn't work for oxygen... :(
[01:18] <falktx> and thanks
[01:19] <falktx> ScottL: ailo: you can see my *controls thing in that pic
[01:19] <macinnisrr_> ScottL: ah! :-) I'll try building a livecd as soon as I get this Dream Studio disc uploading (my pc sucks, single core 2ghz, so I can only handle so much compressing/uncompressing at once. I'm not sure which part of my previous messages actually got sent, but do we know how much space we've got on ubuntstudio.org?
[01:21] <macinnisrr_> falktx: for using anything gtk based (as unity is) I recommend hydroxygen. It's based on oxygen (mostly the same, but with additions, and meant for gtk), and I've even included kxstudio's distributor icon in my package as an option. BTW, although I use custom folder and nav colors, they can all be changed via a script included with the iconset.
[01:22] <macinnisrr_> makes kde and gnome look great together.
[01:24] <falktx> macinnisrr_: sound cool. where can I find your icon theme?
[01:26] <falktx> i really need to try it
[01:27] <macinnisrr_> falktx: add ppa:dreamstudio/dreamstudio-testing to your system, and look for hydroxygen-icon-set and hydroxygen-mono. In /usr/share/icons/Hydroxygen (or in the source file), you'll find instructions on customizing the set to suit your needs.
[01:28] <falktx> macinnisrr_: nice, thanks!
[01:29] <falktx> I can't download stuff now, but I'll try it ASAP
[01:29]  * macinnisrr_ testing my livecd in virtualbox *again*. I thought I had all the kinks ironed out during maverick, but now I'm having to go through the whole process step by step to find the error, and unpacking and repacking the livecd takes forever!!!!! ARRRGGGHHH!
[01:30] <falktx> macinnisrr_: i know what that feels like...
[01:30] <falktx> I took a hell lot of time to figure out how to auto-add live user to audio group...
[01:31] <falktx> now I don't remember how I did it... :(
[01:31] <macinnisrr_> falkt: enjoy. I'll give you a quick hint about making it look like KXStudio: just type "sudo /usr/share/icons/Hydroxygen/change-type.sh kxstudio" followed by "sudo /usr/share/icons/Hydroxygen/change-type.sh naviblue" and finally "sudo /usr/share/icons/Hydroxygen/change-type.sh bluefolders"
[01:32] <macinnisrr_> falktx: just edit /etc/adduser.conf, and uncomment the lines about extra groups. That way ALL users are in the audio (and video, and plugdev) group.
[01:34] <falktx> hm, not the way I did it, but it works too
[01:34] <macinnisrr_> faltkx: I've previously made dreamstudio-default-settings do this automatically, but I'm building a package right now called dreamstudio-live that will take care of all the other live-cd customisations (that don't have any bearing on an installed system, like casper and ubiquity settings) automatically (as soon as I figure out what I'm doing wrong right now). I'll let you know when it's done, as it should be pretty e
[01:35] <macinnisrr_> falktx: how does your pulse-jack work?
[01:36] <falktx> macinnisrr_: it force kills pulseaudio, and re-starts it using a special config file (very basic, with jack sink as default)
[01:36] <falktx> there are other ways to bridge pulse->jack, but are a bit harder
[01:36] <macinnisrr_> faltk: ok, mine too. Why does yours require single-user?
[01:40] <falktx> macinnisrr_: i guess cause it depends on jack, and running it force kills pulseaudio everytime
[01:40] <falktx> macinnisrr_: do you got jack working multi-user ?
[01:40] <macinnisrr_> ScottL: BTW, whoever does the site does a great job aesthetically. It's really nice looking. I wish that you had access to the server (being the director of ubuntustudio) at least, though. We'll need to get it updated if we're changing the look.
[01:43] <macinnisrr_> falktx: yes. I use a script I called pausepulse to set pulseaudo not to auto-respawn, then klll pulse. Then I use a script called pulsejack to do exactly what you've mentioned (although it then sets pulseaudio to auto-respawn again). It doesn't work with ardour's jack setup or from the command line (yet) but I've set these scripts as default in qjackctl, so that it runs pausepulse before jackd, and once jackd is star
[01:45] <macinnisrr_> falktx: currently, these scripts and my custom qjacktl.conf are built into dreamstudio-default-settings (available from the ppa I mentioned), but I'm planning to split them out and add dreamstudio-pulse-jack as a dependency.
[01:46] <macinnisrr_> falktx: BTW, I'd be happy to add both these packages (but rebranded to kxstudio) to your main ppa as soon as I get these kinks worked out.
[01:47] <macinnisrr_> or rather your testing ppa ;-)
[01:47] <falktx> macinnisrr_: i'm moving away from qjackctl, it doesn't support jackdbus (or even jack2) properly
[01:48] <falktx> macinnisrr_: if you look at my pic, you can see my own tool to configure and manage jack, with integrated alsa-jack (asoundrc), a2jmidid and pulse-jack
[01:49] <falktx> macinnisrr_: you should really try my 'cadence' tools once you got a change to -> http://repo.or.cz/w/cadence.git
[01:50] <macinnisrr_> falktx: no doubt. I think qjackctl is too complicated and antiquated. What I really would like is to use j2sc and cadence (especially because it's integrated with system settings, awesome BTW!), but to point to a custom jack server called jackdpulse or something like that, which would be a script that would pass all your jack parameters as usual, but also run these other simple scripts. It would be only slightly more
[01:50] <macinnisrr_> falktx: love it!
[01:50] <ScottL> macinnisrr_,  canonical is a little slow getting me access *shrug* it is the way of things   part of that is my fault as well though
[01:51] <ScottL> macinnisrr_, we are updating the website and it will probably be hosted on our own server so we have complete autonomy
[01:52] <macinnisrr_> falktx: it's getting pulled in to Dream Studio's dependencies as soon as it's packaged properly for natty (which could be right now for all I know, I've been so busy getting ready for release I haven't checked your ppa for new activity in the last 3 days.
[01:52] <macinnisrr_> ScottL: sweet.
[01:54] <falktx> macinnisrr_: err, when you write long text, I can't see the whole thing...
[01:55] <macinnisrr_> falktx: hmm. I'll try to keep it short. What did you miss?
[01:55] <falktx> "but also run these other simple scripts. It would be only slightly more..."
[01:55] <macinnisrr_> ...complex than my current setup, but then you could just substitue jackd with jackdpulse.
[01:57] <falktx> ok
[01:58] <macinnisrr_> falktx: I might need some help using variables in a bash script, however, as I've never done that.
[01:58] <falktx> macinnisrr_: right now my focus is to "finish" (release alpha) of cadence, rework the ppa and complete the website
[01:58] <falktx> macinnisrr_: sure, I can help you there
[01:58] <falktx> macinnisrr_: btw, have you seen it recently? -> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/
[02:00] <macinnisrr_> falkttx: totally, I understand. Personally, I've been having the most "fun" moving all my homebrew packages to my ppa, as I am just learning "proper" packaging (making source packages). But, in the long run, PPAs are the way to go. And yes, I was checking out your site the other day (I must admit I creep it often looking for news), it looks really good!
[02:02] <macinnisrr_> falktx: say, what's drawing your desktop in that screenshot? nautilus doesn't allow icons to fall under the dock...
[02:02] <falktx> I'm using nautilus elementary
[02:02] <macinnisrr_> ah.
[02:03] <falktx> macinnisrr_: wallpaper - http://kxstudio-team.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d3f0xf0
[02:04] <macinnisrr_> falktx: is that, by any chance, based on gnome 3's default wallpaper? http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-themes-standard/plain/themes/Adwaita/backgrounds/stripes.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D58%26t%3D65880&usg=__8l9v7mbSRpTz1mYcTzBwPmgbQtU=&h=1200&w=1920&sz=241&hl=en&start=1&sig2=iyf48xJUHtLemw-m3MtB7A&zoom=1&tbnid=Ct3YhqfGRSIxvM:&tbnh=94&tbnw=150&ei
[02:04] <macinnisrr_> falktx: nevermind. They aren't exactly the same, but maybe the same artist?
[02:06] <falktx> macinnisrr_: original pic http://white-dawn.deviantart.com/art/KDE-Stripes-175023606
[02:06] <falktx> this is surely a ripoff
[02:07] <macinnisrr_> falktx: looks good though.
[02:09] <macinnisrr_> falktx: just reading the artist's blog. They're both apparently based on the same idea.
[02:12] <macinnisrr_> falktx: so, how much work would it be to write a section into a script that could acquire all of jackd's variables, and them pass them on *after* a section that invokes the pausepulse function I described earlier?
[02:13] <macinnisrr_> falktx: BTW, I'm 100% behind the idea of bringing all distributions together :-)
[02:14] <falktx> macinnisrr_: you would be better with a python script...
[02:14] <macinnisrr_> falktx: can I call an outside binary from a python script (e.g. my already existing bash scripts)?
[02:15] <falktx> macinnisrr_: yes
[02:15] <falktx> macinnisrr_: notice that I want to make cadence not distro-specific, so I'll thank you if you do some testing, specially if you use jack1
[02:16] <falktx> macinnisrr_: it's better to have a GUI than relying on scripts
[02:16] <falktx> ^ personal experience
[02:17] <macinnisrr_> falktx: sweet. OK. Well, You're the second person in a short while to recommend python. I'll have to take a look. Is python+glade what you use for cadence, j2sc, etc.? Also, yes, I'd be happy to test, although I only started releaseing during lucid, and maverick and natty are now jack2. I only have lucid on a VM, but I'd be happy to test there.
[02:19] <macinnisrr_> falktx: I love GUIs, and think that any end-user app should definitely have one (in fact, I don't include and CLI programs with Dream Studio for that reason), but I'm a VERY novice programmer, and it's easy for me to design a program when I know how I would do it manually.
[02:19] <falktx> macinnisrr_: I use PyQt for guis, nothing gtk, gnome or whatever
[02:19] <falktx> macinnisrr_: Qt works fine on both KDE3, kde4, and gnome
[02:20] <falktx> heck, also on windows and mac too (I've got the patchbay app working on Windows 7!)
[02:20] <macinnisrr_> falktx: so I've heard (and seen ;-)). Do you code by hand (text editor) or use an IDE like QT4designer?
[02:21] <falktx> macinnisrr_: I use Kate for coding python, Qt4Designer for creating GUIs, and QtCreator when coding C++ (needed by the plugin host app)
[02:21] <falktx> macinnisrr_: Qt4-Assistant gives you the complete Qt4 API, very useful tool!
[02:24] <macinnisrr_> falktx: very interesting. Until I started bash scripting (late last year), I had only done some VB in college, and BASIC in, like, grade 8 (I'm 30 now). I get all the ideas of programming, but I've been very leery to pick a language, as c++ seems too advanced for a novice like me, but I don't want something that nobody else uses, and I hate the idea of coding a gui in a  non wysiwyg environment. Looks like qt4+python
[02:25] <falktx> macinnisrr_: i heavily recommend python
[02:26] <falktx> macinnisrr_: and once you've got yourself good enough, the transition to C++ is very easy
[02:26] <falktx> I only worry about python2 vs python3...
[02:26] <macinnisrr_> falktx: when is that scheduled for release?
[02:27] <macinnisrr_> nevermind. I see that it's already in use
[02:28]  * macinnisrr_ thinks I've found the kink in my livecd build....
[02:29] <macinnisrr_> falktx: any good books on python that you'd recommend?
[02:30] <falktx> let me get the name for you
[02:30] <falktx> ha, don't have it here, wait a moment
[02:31] <falktx> macinnisrr_: best book ever -> http://www.qtrac.eu/pyqtbook.html
[02:31] <falktx> teaches python basics too
[02:31] <macinnisrr_> falktx: thanks!
[02:35] <macinnisrr_> falktx: downloading as we speak.
[02:38] <falktx> good
[02:39] <falktx> macinnisrr_: don't be tempted to skip the first steps...
[02:39] <falktx> they are very useful, and you'll need them at some point
[02:40] <macinnisrr_> falktx: thanks. You must know me pretty well. I usually skip to what I think I need, only to find later that I should have just read through :-)
[02:42] <falktx> hehe
[02:43] <falktx> macinnisrr_: i'm telling you cause I did the same too, then I had to re-read the whole thing...
[02:43] <falktx> time to go
[02:43] <falktx> cya soon
[14:50] <holstein> ScottL: you know
[14:50] <holstein> today is actually meeting day
[14:50] <holstein> i was thinking next week for some reason
[14:50] <holstein> and didnt do jack about it :/
[14:50] <holstein> ScottL: im going to let it go this month
[14:50] <holstein> since we released
[14:51] <holstein> and theres not really anything specific to talk about
[14:51] <holstein> maybe get a team meeting going some other day this month
[14:51] <holstein> *an informal thing
[14:55] <ScottL> holstein, yeah, that sounds good as i'm completely unprepared
[14:56] <holstein> i like to send out a reminder a week ahead of time
[14:56] <ScottL> yeah, i don't think many would have shown up anyways because of that
[14:56] <ScottL> we can't expect them to be better prepared that we are :P
[15:03] <holstein> ScottL: i dont want to lose momentum
[15:03] <holstein> because i cant read a calendar ;)
[15:15] <shiftingcontrol> I upgraded 10.10 studio to 11.04 ,today it hung five times,twice using banshee and thrice using firefox.  . .
[15:15] <shiftingcontrol> How can i report this ?
[15:15] <shiftingcontrol> studio version
[15:15] <holstein> shiftingcontrol: i would suggest trying to go package by package
[15:16] <holstein> and not file against ubuntustudio
[15:16] <holstein> at least not only against studio
[15:28] <ScottL> holstein, maybe we should send out a reminder and do the meeting next week then
[15:28] <holstein> ScottL: we can
[15:28] <holstein> think about it
[15:28] <ScottL> i would hate to lose momentum as well, but to be forthcoming, this weekend really isn't shaping up well for me
[15:28] <holstein> im running out today
[15:28] <holstein> but, im around tomorrow
[15:28] <ScottL> i'll send out an email unless you want to do it
[15:28] <holstein> ScottL: go for it :)
[15:29] <ScottL> holstein, i'll do it later today then
[16:57] <shiftingcontrol> I updated studio 11.04 from 10.10 ,it hung six times,today how can i report the bug ?
[18:10] <ScottL> shiftingcontrol, you can look in launchpad for the application that was causing the hang and report the bug using the "report a bug" button
[18:11] <shiftingcontrol> scott:It is difficult i was working with firefox,banshee,terminal which one should i go now ?
[18:13] <ScottL> i would suggest that you try using just one of them for a whle and see if it causes a problem
[18:15] <ScottL> shiftingcontrol, i'm not trying to give you a coy answer but please remember....
[18:15] <ScottL> ubuntu studio is just ubuntu with additional package and some simple system tweaks (like adding the user to the audio group)
[18:16] <ScottL> most problems that people have are not derived from ubuntu studio but from ubuntu proper
[18:16] <shiftingcontrol> Scott:i was listening music and typing terminal once,same word start to report 
[18:16] <shiftingcontrol> *repeat
[20:37] <holstein> ScottL: did you see on the ML
[20:37] <holstein> kokito has volunteered to update the site
[20:37] <holstein> *the links to 11.04*
[20:41] <holstein> can we just give him the keys to the executive washroom, so to speak?
[21:49]  * ckontros waves
[21:54] <ckontros> ScottL: We gotta get together a time to change the seeds. It will require me to upload a new *-settings package 1st though. Something I plan to get done by next weekend. (im branching now)
[22:44] <ckontros> Hmm... Somethings changed. I can't upload to the development branch of -settings. Hit me up if someone can help. (namely scott or luke)
[22:48] <ckontros> I also have to figure out how to correctly auto-apply my name/email addy in the debian changelog.
[22:52] <astraljava> ckontros: DEBEMAIL="your@email" DEBFULLNAME="Your Name" into your .bashrc usually works.
[22:56] <ckontros> I /thought/ that's how it worked but when I did a "dhc -a" it used a really old one of mine. Dont know where it pulled from.
[22:56] <astraljava> ckontros: Check what you have with `env'.
[22:57] <astraljava> ckontros: ...or just echo $<variable>
[22:58] <ckontros> Odd. Doesn't seem to be anything. The host names are the same though. Maybe it got it from that somehow?
[22:58] <astraljava> ckontros: Yeah, if there's nothing in those, then it pulls them somehow from other stuff.
[22:58] <ckontros> So just add it anywhere to bashrc?
[22:58] <astraljava> Yup.
[22:59] <astraljava> And remember to source that in the terminal you're doing `dch -a' in.
[22:59] <ckontros> How?
[22:59] <astraljava> $ source ~/.bashrc
[23:02] <ckontros> Hmm... I dont get it. I know I set this up before. Been a while so Im real rusty.
[23:03] <astraljava> If it wasn't registered, though, it's not working somehow. You can of course grep the files for those variables.
[23:04] <ckontros> Ok. Maybe Luke (TheMuso) can spare a couple of mins soon to get me sorted. Time to eat. :)
[23:05] <astraljava> Sure. Let me know when you know, though. I'm intrigued to find the real reason it's not working.