[00:10] <mastaofdisasta> hello all, I just installed xbuntu on my new toshiba laptop.  It has a nvidia graphics card
[00:11] <mastaofdisasta> I used the "additional drivers" tool to install proprietary nvidia drivers
[00:11] <mastaofdisasta> I rebooted the laptop
[00:12] <mastaofdisasta> when I went back to check if it installed the tool says "this driver is activated but not currently in use"
[00:12] <Sysi> does it work?
[00:12] <Sysi> you're not first reporting that..
[00:13] <mastaofdisasta> it's xubuntu 11.04
[00:13] <Souperman> XD
[00:13] <Souperman> all the people is having that problem
[00:14] <Souperman> on all flavors of *buntu
[00:14] <Souperman> have you tried >sudo nvidia-xconfig
[00:14] <Souperman> and rebooting?
[00:14] <mastaofdisasta> I used xubuntu 9.10 release on my previous laptop
[00:14] <mastaofdisasta> and I didn't have this issue
[00:15] <drc> mastaofdisasta: Check your Xorg.0.conf to see what driver it <is> using.
[00:15] <mastaofdisasta> seems to be a 11.04 thing
[00:15] <drc> mastaofdisasta: It is
[00:15] <Souperman> it is
[00:15] <Sysi> i don't care what jockey says.. it sucks anyway
[00:16] <Sysi> i seem to have same issue
[00:17] <Sysi> but i'm more interested about rhythmbox and aptitude failing
[00:17] <Souperman> you clean installed or upgraded?
[00:18] <Sysi> clean install
[00:18] <mastaofdisasta> same here
[00:18] <Sysi> rhythmbox doesn't give errors even with debug
[00:18] <mastaofdisasta> should I just go with 10.04?
[00:18] <mastaofdisasta> download and install 10.04?
[00:19] <Sysi> if you got correct resolution etc the driver is working, just enjoy new xfce
[00:19] <mastaofdisasta> drc: Xorg.0.conf can't find it
[00:20] <mastaofdisasta> it's not in the system
[00:20] <Sysi> less /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:20] <mastaofdisasta> it says "Device"
[00:20] <mastaofdisasta> Identifier "Default Device"
[00:21] <mastaofdisasta> Option "NoLogo"  "True"
[00:21] <mastaofdisasta> that's it
[00:21] <mastaofdisasta> short file
[00:22] <mastaofdisasta> ok ran nvidia-xconf
[00:22] <mastaofdisasta> nvidia-xconfig
[00:22] <mastaofdisasta> it made a new configuration file
[00:22] <Sysi> lspci -k and find your device
[00:22] <Souperman> http://askubuntu.com/questions/37590/nvidia-drivers-not-working-after-11-04-update-why-can-i-only-see-terminal
[00:23] <Sysi> Souperman: no his drivers are working, just jockey with wrong message
[00:23] <mastaofdisasta> Sysi: it says Kernel Driver in use: nvidia
[00:24] <mastaofdisasta> Sysi: Kernel modules: nvidia-current, noveau, nvidiafb
[00:24] <Sysi> enjoy your xubuntu (and wish it won't explode in first kernel update)
[00:25] <Souperman> yeah well i had the same problem and my flash player was working wrong and other stuff so i removed the nvidia drivers rebooted and reinstalled and rebooted and it worked all again, but people all over the ubuntu channels are complaining about the same problem
[00:25] <Sysi> take off HW acceleration
[00:25] <Sysi> right click on some flash
[00:26] <Souperman> its an nvidia thing, it now works, because it now does
[00:28] <Sysi> i'll reboot to see if that fixes rhythmbox
[00:29] <mastaofdisasta> I'm rebooting after the nvidia-xconfig
[00:29] <mastaofdisasta> hope it works.
[00:29] <mastaofdisasta> wish me luck people!
[00:30] <Sysi> i wish he didn't break it with that
[00:30] <drc> Sysi: What's wrong with your Rhythmbox?
[00:30] <Sysi> it doesn't start
[00:31] <drc> That <could> be a problem.
[00:31] <Sysi> ..killall rhythmbox and working
[00:33] <Sysi> volume control in it doesn't work without pulseaudio :(
[00:33] <Sysi> i think i could get JuK
[00:34] <mastaofdisasta> seems to be working, just that drive GUI tool still says the driver is not currently in use
[00:36] <Souperman> go to the screensaver choosing thingy and choose hypertorus, if it works fine you dont have to worry
[00:37] <Sysi> i already forgot how everything kde-stubb breaks my sound with ubuntu 10.10+
[00:37] <Sysi> *stuff
[00:46] <Sysi> rhythmbox started failing badly, i'll try banshee
[00:46] <ipv6hermit> another issue here with xubuntu 11.04
[00:46] <ipv6hermit> this laptop has 4GB RAM
[00:46] <ipv6hermit> when I do free -m
[00:46] <ipv6hermit> or top
[00:46] <ipv6hermit> it only reports 2954
[00:46] <ipv6hermit> 2954M
[00:47] <Sysi> 32bit?
[00:47] <ipv6hermit> I believe I have installed 32bit yes
[00:47] <ipv6hermit> but should the kernel have PAE extension?
[00:48] <Sysi> uname -a
[00:48] <ipv6hermit> Linux ipv6hermit-laptop 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:50 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[00:48] <Sysi> install linux-image-something-PAE
[00:50] <ipv6hermit> thanks!
[01:15] <mastaofdisasta> hey guys, I tried installing "linux-image-2.6.38-8-generic-pae" but it will not boot
[01:15] <mastaofdisasta> how do I look at the log messages
[01:16] <mastaofdisasta> or how do I boot without splash
[01:16] <bazhang> !nox
[01:16] <bazhang> !info linux-generic-pae
[01:16] <bazhang> install that^
[01:17] <mastaofdisasta> sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-pae??
[01:17] <bazhang> linux-generic-pae
[01:18] <mastaofdisasta> bazhang: thanks!
[01:18] <bazhang> np
[01:18] <mastaofdisasta> bazhang: do I have to remove anything?
[01:18] <mastaofdisasta> before I do that?
[01:18] <bazhang> that will pull in what other packages you need
[01:18] <bazhang> mastaofdisasta, not that I know of
[01:18] <mastaofdisasta> bazhang: thanks
[01:31] <nekoCAT> 11.04 is working great so far.
[01:36] <zenrox> thats great to hear nekoCAT
[01:57] <KM0201> bin_bash: did that command fix your camera?
[02:10] <eric> hello, anyone paying attention tonight?
[02:10] <drc> no, we're all off at the pub
[02:11] <eric> I just got a GPU application running, was wondering how to determine GPU loading and temperature...
[02:11] <eric> It's a Nvidia/Galaxy GEForce GTX440...
[02:12] <eric> I'm also a bit unfamiliar with xchat....what is the significance of the grayed-out names on the channel?
[02:13] <nekoCAT> eric, that means they are away
[02:13] <nekoCAT> You can mark yourself as way but stay logged in.
[02:14] <eric> clear enough...was trying to figure out how to do that....
[02:15] <drc> eric: Do you want something to give you a continuously updated status, or something like Menu>System> Nvidia X Server Settings ?
[02:15] <eric> haven't decided yet...
[02:16] <drc> I'm assuming you've install the Additional Drivers
[02:16] <drc> and Have that in your menu
[02:17] <eric> my system thinks those are disabled...I'm using the tip from nvidia proper at the moment
[02:17] <eric> but nvidia X server settings is on the menu...not sure if it is going to work or crash the X server....
[02:18] <eric> My primary monitor is connected to the on-board ATI Radeon adapter; the Nvidia card is running a second monitor, slightly laggy due to the CUDA work it is doing...
[02:18] <drc> One way to find out.....
[02:19] <eric> yeah, but if I disappear, you know what that means...
[02:19] <drc> eric: You really want to do things the hard way...two monitors and nvidia AND ATI video cards :)
[02:20] <eric> Monitor #2 is a CRT;  not really doing much for me, just proving the nvidia card works.....
[02:20]  * KM0201 agreed.. dual screens is really easy w/ just nvidia.
[02:20] <eric> the ATI is on the mobo, so I can't exactly yank it out...
[02:21] <KM0201> lol, true.
[02:21] <drc> eric: You should be able toi disable it in bios ?
[02:21]  * KM0201 hates onboard video
[02:22] <KM0201> my experience, has always been that onboard video gets disabled, when a video card is detected
[02:22] <eric> couldn't find the setting to do that...besides, the Nvidia card is for CUDA (coprocessing), not so much video...
[02:22] <eric> and yes, that happened on my machine at work, but not on *this* machine...an ASRock 880GM/LE mobo...
[02:22] <drc> Well, I'm out of my depth now, so I'll watch you celebrate or disappear :)
[02:24] <eric> alright, be quite for a minute, don't try to tell me anything until I make another post...
[02:27] <eric> It's reliable...I just disappeared and resurrected myself....
[02:28] <eric> let me go see what's in /var/log/X11
[02:29] <eric> I've killed the CUDA job...
[02:32] <eric> got "Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting"
[02:33] <eric> and a long list of addresses....is the first one or the last one in the stack trace the one with the segmentation fault?
[02:33] <eric> hi Galok
[02:36] <eric> hello, looking for help monitoring GPU usage and temperature..
[02:40] <eric> also wondering how to set CPU affinity....system has 6 cores...
[02:42] <nekoCAT> cpu affinity?  taskset -c <core#> -p <process ID>
[02:43] <nekoCAT> It apparently only works when you launch an app, not after.  Never used it before so I'm not familiar with the specifics.
[02:52] <mastaofdisasta> hey guys, my laptop has a light up keyboard but the lighting up doesn't work when I load xubuntu.
[03:14] <KM0201> ok.
[03:17] <eric> nekoCAT, thanks...
[03:17] <eric> seems to work OK on simple apps...
[03:31] <eric> how do I get my GPU temperature (and/or load) from the command line?
[03:34] <metroid1> i had to force quit and when i restarted (after i reloaded the nvidia driver which somehow stopped) i new and weird problem started.  when i watch a video the color (hue) is set to 0 and i have to manual adjust it.
[03:34] <metroid1>  but if i open a picture the colors are fine and my background image and everything else is the right color
[03:34] <metroid1> is there some way to adjust the global video colors?
[03:36] <metroid1> it doesn't matter what video player i use --vlc (which is my default and allows me to adjust color settings) and parole are both affected
[03:37] <KM0201> metroid1: vlc has acted very wonky for me as well.. parole, on the other hand, has worked flawlessly
[03:38] <metroid1> yes they were both working wonderfully (vlc has had some quircks) but this color thing is new... just tonight since i reloaded my nvidia driver
[03:39] <metroid1> i think it is super odd that all my video players are affected but the rest of the desktop and apps are fine
[03:41] <metroid1> and flash is fine... but i am not overly surprised by that
[03:43] <metroid1> is there a way to change edit global video settings?  (preferably with a GUI)
[03:55] <bin_bash> Someone paged me?
[03:55] <KM0201> naa, was just wondering if that fixed your camera
[03:55] <Souperman> >paged, wow thats old
[03:55] <KM0201> lol
[03:56] <bin_bash> KM0201: No it didn't even show up in the list of devices
[03:56] <KM0201> oh.. hmm
[03:56] <bin_bash> In Skype
[03:56] <bin_bash> Remember?
[03:56] <KM0201> no.. i don't
[03:56] <KM0201> but.. ok..lol
[03:56]  * bin_bash feeels like the twilight zone
[03:56] <KM0201> lol
[03:56] <bin_bash> (01:23:04 PM) Anon: mk it says no device found in the test thing
[03:57] <KM0201> i dunno, i'm out of ideas on fixing it
[03:57] <KM0201> lol, owned by a log
[03:57] <bin_bash> Yeah. It's okay. It looks normal at first, but then doesn't.
[03:57] <bin_bash> Idk.
[03:57] <KM0201> strange
[03:57] <bin_bash> yeah
[03:57] <bin_bash> dude
[03:57] <bin_bash> do you not remember our conversation from earlier today
[03:58] <KM0201> vaguely
[03:58] <KM0201> i took some dope and fell asleep (legal dope)
[03:58] <bin_bash> gotcha
[04:00] <bin_bash> When I was a kid my parents told me I didn't need a cell phone or pager because I wasn't a drug dealer or a business man
[04:01] <KM0201> lol, i could tell you a funny story about why i was finally shamed into gettin a cell phone.
[04:01] <KM0201> but its off topic
[04:01] <bin_bash> come to ot then, silly boy.
[04:07] <KM0201> well_laid_lawn: thats a clever user name
[04:07] <KM0201> lol
[04:08] <well_laid_lawn> heh :)
[04:13] <KM0201> i think i'm gonna switch my PC to xubuntu tomorrow.
[04:14] <zenrox> you should
[04:14] <zenrox> xfce ROCKS
[04:14] <KM0201> zenrox: its growing on me...
[04:14] <KM0201> just fits like an old pair of shoes
[04:14] <KM0201> my desktop though, is a little more leet than my laptop.
[04:14] <zenrox> your fav old pair of shues
[04:15] <KM0201> dual screens, 4gigs of ram, etc.
[04:15] <KM0201> so it should run traditional gnome just fine
[04:15] <KM0201> i might even put the fedora 15 beta w/ Gnome on it.
[04:16] <zenrox> ya but imagine all the leftover horsepower left over for games
[04:16] <Souperman> im in love whit xfce panels XD
[04:16] <zenrox> lol
[04:16] <KM0201> zenrox: i'm not really a gamer
[04:17] <KM0201> i just have dual screens so i can play solitaire on one monitor, and wat h movies on the other
[04:17] <KM0201> lol
[04:17] <zenrox> ok for the gfx for the music
[04:18] <Souperman> i mean they are a trillion times more awesome than any dock you can find around, they all do weird stuff, but not xfce panels, you got a weather applet, you got staking icons, editable pngs, auto hide, all what you need
[04:18] <zenrox> yep and all more easyer to config than gnome
[04:18] <Souperman> yes, or any stand alone dock
[04:19] <zenrox> yep
[04:19] <zenrox> and you can make as many as you want too
[04:19] <KM0201> i do like the weather applet for xfce
[04:19] <Souperman> yes, sadly if you make them float they wont stay on the desktop and will be always on top
[04:20] <zenrox> i got the one that was stock to float and auto hide
[04:20] <Souperman> D: that would be awesome
[04:21] <Souperman> i can't do that, i tried
[04:21] <zenrox> and it is not on tip
[04:21] <zenrox> top
[04:23] <zenrox> i also shourtend it too
[04:24] <zenrox> to make it look like a osX bar
[04:27] <MK```> someone is asking in another channel how to convert his Ubuntu to Xubuntu, would it be as simple as installing xubuntu-desktop and removing ubuntu-desktop?
[04:27] <KM0201> the last thing i want my xfce to look like, is osx
[04:28] <MK```> maybe with some gtk leftovers
[04:28] <zenrox> ya
[04:28] <KM0201> bin_bash: is an osx fanboy(girl?), she'll probably make an effort to do that.. she loves macs
[04:28] <zenrox> but id leave the ubuntu-desktop
[04:28] <Souperman> !pure xubuntu
[04:28] <Souperman> XD i can't do that how do i do that
[04:28] <bin_bash> I AM NOT!!!!
[04:28] <Souperman> !xubuntu
[04:28] <IdleOne> !purexfce
[04:28] <KM0201> i would think you can remove ubuntu-desktop.
[04:28] <Souperman> there i did it WOOHOO!! GO MEE!! \o/
[04:29] <Souperman> !purexubuntu
[04:29] <Souperman> D:
[04:29] <Souperman> !purexfce
[04:29] <Souperman> oh well
[04:29] <bin_bash> LOLOL
[04:29] <KM0201> i didn't know you could do that
[04:29] <well_laid_lawn> !bot
[04:30] <IdleOne> Souperman: the bot is rate limited. it will only repeat a factoid after a certain amount of time
[04:30] <Souperman> thats actually clever
[04:30] <IdleOne> to avoid spam
[04:31] <KM0201> yes it is.
[04:31] <Souperman> i was writing that why i dont saw you !purexfce
[04:31] <MK```> ooh nice
[04:31] <KM0201> ubottu: is all knowing..
[04:31] <MK```> !purekde
[04:31] <MK```> cool
[04:31] <KM0201> well maybe not
[04:31] <bin_bash> ubottu: is gay
[04:31] <IdleOne> !botsnack
[04:31] <MK```> !puregnome
[04:31] <bin_bash> HAHAHAHA
 Sorry, I don't know anything about is gay
[04:31] <IdleOne> bin_bash: please don't abuse her
[04:32] <MK```> lol
[04:32] <MK```> !purelxde
[04:32] <bin_bash> >her
[04:32] <KM0201> lol
[04:32] <IdleOne> yes, her.
[04:32] <MK```> >:o
[04:32] <IdleOne> !gender
[04:32] <bin_bash> :|
[04:32] <bin_bash> My bot is transgender
[04:32] <KM0201> lol
[04:33] <bin_bash> I should add that function to it
[04:33] <bin_bash> &gender would output
[04:33] <n2diy> when I mouse over a todo item in korganizer the info box displays black text on a black backround, where can I change this?
[04:33] <bin_bash> "Yess... I used to be a man... but now I'm a WOman..."
[04:33] <bin_bash> n2diy: sounds like a theme issue
[04:34] <bin_bash> n2diy: Do you have compositing turned on?
[04:34] <n2diy> bin_bash, haven't loaded any themes, so it is a default issue.
[04:34] <Souperman> n2diy, it could have to do whit composition stuff
[04:34] <Souperman> n2diy, you updated your video card drivers?
[04:34] <bin_bash> n2diy: I'm talking about one of the default themes. Do you have compositing turned on?
[04:35] <well_laid_lawn> !info qtconfig
[04:35] <well_laid_lawn> !find qtconfig
[04:35] <n2diy> bin_bash, , Souperman, I'm just running plain jane, old hardware, the problem started when I upgraded to 10.10.
[04:36] <Souperman> oh, upgrading, that never goes well, try to update your video card drivers
[04:36] <Souperman> do >sudo jockey-gtk
[04:36] <n2diy> Souperman, why would the drivers only have problems with mouse overs?
[04:36] <Souperman> and check that you are using the proper drivers
[04:37] <n2diy> ok.
[04:37] <Souperman> is the transparencies, they need composition
[04:40] <n2diy> bin_bash, , Souperman, lshw indicates the display is unclaimed, and then lists the vendor and card info?
[04:40] <bin_bash> hm
[04:40] <bin_bash> which video card
[04:41] <Souperman> nvidia for sure, or maybe intel, they both are having huge problems today
[04:41] <bin_bash> My intel card is working fine
[04:41] <n2diy> product: Rage XL AGP 2X
[04:41] <n2diy>                 vendor: ATI Technologies Inc
[04:41] <Souperman> oh XD lol all the other way
[04:42] <n2diy> told you it was plain jane. :)
[04:43] <Souperman> n2diy, can you imagebin.org to see whats going on?
[04:44] <KM0201> n2diy: lol, that card is like 15yrs old
[04:44] <KM0201> n2diy: if it were me, i'd pick up a cheap (old) agp nvidia card.. they woork great w/ linux
[04:45] <n2diy> Souperman, I don't know, I've never heard of imagebin.org., KM0201, yes it is, so is all my hardware, and it was all free too.
[04:45] <KM0201> n2diy: well thats awesome.. is the video card working?
[04:45] <Souperman> n2diy, i mean if you can upload a screencap there to see
[04:46] <n2diy> KM0201, everything was fine here, until I upgraded to 10.10, and then mouse overs in korganizer got weird.
[04:46] <KM0201> hmm
[04:46] <n2diy> Souperman, a screenshot?
[04:47] <Souperman> ...
[04:47] <KM0201> n2diy: there you go, this would probably be a huge upgrade for your machine..lol http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4331476&CatId=933
[04:48] <n2diy> KM0201, I don't want to replace working hardware, I want to fix a glitch in korganizer.
[04:48] <KM0201> n2diy: lol, i'm teasing you
[04:48] <KM0201> i don't do KDE stuff, so i'm no help
[04:49] <n2diy> KM0201, Ha, ha, reminds me of the firehouse.
[04:49] <KM0201> :)
[04:50] <n2diy> :), so somewhere there is a config file where I can change the mouse over display from black on black to something sane, but I can't find it?
[04:51] <Souperman> n2diy, why korganizer and no some other gtk based organizer like osmo?
[04:51] <n2diy> Souperman, because I found korganizer first, like ten years ago!?
[04:52] <KM0201> how do you get xchat to show in the system try all the time
[04:52] <Souperman> it does
[04:52] <Souperman> :/
[04:52] <zenrox> tell it
[04:52] <KM0201> not for i.
[04:53] <zenrox> its an option
[04:53] <KM0201> zenrox: i went through options, and can't find it
[04:53] <Souperman> KM0201, #xchat
[04:53] <n2diy> KM0201, I'm using xchat-gnome.
[04:53] <KM0201> "enable system try icon" is checked
[04:53] <zenrox> dont know
[04:53] <zenrox> it stays open for me
[04:53] <KM0201> Souperman: no offense, but xchat is the most useless support channel on freenode
[04:54] <Souperman> i beg to differ, #exaile is
[04:54] <n2diy> xfce
[04:54] <Souperman> they helped me
[04:55] <KM0201> Souperman: actually, the most useless, is #debian
[04:55] <Souperman> n2diy, so you updated the recomended drivers?
[04:55] <KM0201> #xchat is a close second
[04:55] <Souperman> ask, what you have to lose?
[04:55] <n2diy> Souperman, no, I haven't looked for any recommended drivers.
[04:57] <KM0201> Souperman: its not a huge issue, i'll figure it out eventually
[05:04] <Souperman> n2diy, have you gone to the xfce4-settings-manager and checked that composition was activated on the compositor tab on the window manager menu?
[05:06] <Souperman> or was in on window manager tweaks? i dont know my system is on spañish, but it should be this last one
[05:07] <n2diy> Souperman, ok, I'll look around inxfce4, thanks.
  how do you get xchat to show in the system try all the time?
[05:08] <Souperman> * Tobias|| es ahora conocido como Tobias|
 Edit > Preferences > Chatting > Alerts > Enable system tray icon, Souperman
[05:08] <Souperman> XD
[05:09] <Souperman> MK```, is here too
[05:09] <MK```> yeah
[05:09] <MK```> didn't see
[05:10] <Souperman> :P KM0201 here was saying #xchat people didnt helped, you proved wrong in 10 minutes
[05:10] <Souperman> :D
[05:10] <KM0201> Souperman: and i said, i already done that
[05:10] <KM0201> its not there
[05:11] <MK```> haha
[05:11] <MK```> when I am around I do what I can
[05:11] <MK```> I just phase in and out of channels at random
[05:11] <Souperman> it is, under the sounds option and above the highlighted messages KM0201
[05:12] <KM0201> Souperman: lol, i'm sitting here looking at my task bar, its not there
[05:13] <Souperman> you have any other programs? maybe you deleted the notification area :P
[05:15] <KM0201> nope, notification area is there (wireless is there)
[05:15] <KM0201> pidgin is also there
[05:16] <KM0201> Souperman: and just to make sure, i just checked my panel items, notification area is present
[05:29] <Souperman> KM0201, in #xchat they are asking for more info if what MK``` said didnt work, go there they are willing to help :P
[05:29] <KM0201> Souperman: its no big deal... i'll figure it out later
[05:30] <Souperman> XD but you have help now XD
[05:30] <KM0201> Souperman: its a miracle... i'm sure i'd go there and they'd see my name, and stop responding
[05:30] <Souperman> no way, ill give you some of my karma, it will be fine, ill protect you
[05:51]  * zenrox jams to his music
[05:51] <KM0201> lol
[05:51] <KM0201> i'm in an 80's mood
[05:52] <KM0201> acdc, bon jovi, whitesnake, def leppard
[05:52] <zenrox> korn here
[05:52] <zenrox> but i love my 80's
[05:52] <zenrox> and my 60-70s
[05:53] <zenrox> probly should talk in offtopic about this stuff tho right ?? even tho i ant a purest
[06:08] <Souperman> i was streaming disco music for hours today XD
[06:08]  * zenrox faints
[06:09] <fslima0> i am having trouble upgrading my ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04
[06:10] <Souperman> as you probably would
[06:10] <fslima0> ?
[06:11] <bin_bash> LOL
[06:11] <bin_bash> is your stuff backed up
[06:11] <Souperman> only 10% of all ubuntu upgrades go flawlessly well
[06:11] <fslima0> no
[06:11] <bin_bash> fslima0: is your stuff backed up?
[06:11] <fslima0> bin_bash: no
[06:12] <bin_bash> lolgoodluck!
[06:12] <fslima0> it won't upgrade anyway. lol
[06:12] <bin_bash> you should ALWAYS back your stuff up when upgrading to a new OS
[06:12] <bin_bash> fslima0: back your stuff up and do a clean isntall.
[06:12] <Souperman> ^
[06:12] <Souperman> this also, clean installs all the way
[06:12] <fslima0> yea
[06:13] <fslima0> but i feel lazy. lol
[06:13] <fslima0> this is a netbook
[06:13] <fslima0> Can not mark 'xubuntu-desktop' for upgrade
[06:14] <bin_bash> well laziness is the path to lost data
[06:14] <bin_bash> fslima0: how are you trying to upgrade?
[06:14] <fslima0> bin_bash: this is a netbook, my friend
[06:14] <bin_bash> So?
[06:14] <fslima0> i dont have important data in it
[06:14] <bin_bash> >Implying there's no home data on a netbook
[06:15] <bin_bash> So then just do a clean install
[06:16] <fslima0> maybe i should. but for now i need to figure out how to install the latest ubuntu without going the clean install route
[06:16] <bin_bash> Why?
[06:16] <KM0201> clean install would be the easiest route.
[06:16] <bin_bash> Have you considered doing it from a liveusb
[06:16] <KM0201> fslima0: can you not upgrade?
[06:16] <fslima0> no
[06:16]  * KM0201 late to conversation, will scroll up
[06:16] <bin_bash> he can't upgrade but hasn't given any details
[06:17] <Souperman> fslima0, if you wanna trouble yourself go to the upgrade and then install the xubuntu packages from ubuntu or something like that
[06:17] <KM0201> fslima0: ok, so why can't you upgrade
[06:20] <KM0201> fslima0: why can't you upgrade?
[06:20] <bin_bash> KM0201: It's a secret.
[06:21] <KM0201> bin_bash: he's super super serial
[06:21] <bin_bash> he'th thuper therial
[06:21]  * KM0201 loves when al gore is made fun of on south park
[06:21] <KM0201> bin_bash: ah, so you've seen those episodes to.
[06:21] <bin_bash> ...Yes. Of course.
[06:22] <bin_bash> Even if I hadn't seen the whole episodes, I live on the goddamn internet
[06:22] <bin_bash> I know thw quotes
[06:22] <KM0201> lol
[06:22] <KM0201> did you watch that episode i sent you the other day, human centipad?
[06:22] <bin_bash> Yeah
[06:22] <KM0201> lol
[06:22] <bin_bash> it was kind of stupid
[06:23] <KM0201> i thought it was hilarious,.
[06:23] <bazhang> !ot
[06:24] <bin_bash> Thank you, bazhang. We're waiting for fslima0 to give us some kind of relevant information
[07:14] <bin_bash> !google
[07:14] <bin_bash> google-fu? lolwat
[07:19] <KM0201> bin_bash: lol
[07:21] <bin_bash> !google-fu
[07:21] <bin_bash> stupid bot. uses a term it knows nothing about
[07:26] <KM0201> lol
[07:31] <well_laid_lawn> google fu is like kung fu but with google
[07:31] <well_laid_lawn> google.com/linux works best
[07:32] <well_laid_lawn> it has a penquin on it
[07:32] <KM0201> fslima0: were you ever gonna tell us about your problem?
[07:32] <bin_bash> No it's a thuper thecret
[07:32] <KM0201> lol
[07:33] <bin_bash> he probably bricked his computer because he didn't want to clean isntall
[07:39] <KM0201> lol
[07:39] <mikeatvillage> Is there a quick way of sharing my 'home' directory so it can be seem by a Windoze PC on the network, or do I need to install Samba?
[07:42] <KM0201> mikeatvillage: samba would be about as quick as it gets
[07:42] <mikeatvillage> Thanks, I'll stick it on then :-)
[08:02] <KM0201> fslima0: did you get it resolved?
[08:11] <vabigoon> hi, is that possible to force the terminal not to close after doing some script in python which is started by activator?
[08:12] <bin_bash> um no but you can use screen
[08:14] <KM0201> hmm, dunno
[08:14] <vabigoon> screen? for what?
[08:14] <vabigoon> you mean sreenshot yes?
[08:15] <KM0201> lol
[08:15] <KM0201> no, not screenshot
[08:15] <KM0201> !screen
[08:16] <vabigoon> oh thank you :D
[08:17] <aee> how to install dropbox in xfce
[08:17] <vabigoon> i made it without any complications in 10.10
[08:17] <vabigoon> download and install, that's all
[08:18] <vabigoon> i'll try it now ;D
[08:20] <vabigoon> oh, but it was on ubuntu with installed xcfe, so on pure xubuntu it's necessary to install Nautilus i suppose
[08:21] <KM0201> vabigoon: why would you do that?
[08:21] <KM0201> just use thunar
[08:22] <KM0201> i'm assuming thunar can do whatever you're wanting nautilus to do.
[08:23] <vabigoon> because dropbox is program made for nautilus. i don't know will it work without it?
[08:23] <well_laid_lawn> you need the --hold option for a terminal to not close when starting it to run an app
[08:25] <vabigoon> how can use it in the activator?
[08:30] <vabigoon> aee: it works well on xubuntu.
[08:33] <aee> try it thuanr
[08:34] <vabigoon> i installed it now on the pure xubuntu 11.04
[08:34] <vabigoon> it works
[08:34] <aee> howto
[08:34] <vabigoon> download it  from the dropbox site
[08:34] <vabigoon> and in terminal
[08:34] <aee> I play xubuntu 11.04
[08:36] <vabigoon> download the .deb package
[08:36] <kbmaniac> morning people, I am a gnome shell refugee still trying to find a home, have just installed 11.04 xubuntu all is good apart from after a re-boot, on clicking a folder there is a long delay before thunar opens and an error message pops up - "did not recieve a reply. possible causes ...." after that thunar starts real quick ... any ideas ?
[08:36] <aee> um Ubuntu (x86 .deb) ?
[08:36] <vabigoon> you have 32bit cpu?
[08:36] <kbmaniac> yes, 32 bit
[08:37] <vabigoon> so that package
[08:37] <aee> yes
[08:37] <aee> it for nauitlus
[08:37] <vabigoon> oh sorry kbmaniac... im writing to aee
[08:37] <vabigoon> but it works for me :D
[08:37] <vabigoon> try it
[08:37] <kbmaniac> my error, sorry :)
[08:37] <aee> ok try it
[08:38] <vabigoon> sudo dpkg -i [packagename]
[08:38] <aee> installing dropbox
[08:39] <vabigoon> i have the dropbox icon in the indicator plugin now
[08:41] <aee> have foder dropbox
[08:42] <aee> yes i see it
[08:42] <vabigoon> is it downloading your files?
[08:42] <aee> it syncing
[08:43] <aee> i see icon in indicator
[08:43] <vabigoon> so now you have installed dropbox :>
[08:43] <aee> wow it easy
[08:44] <aee> I think find thunar-dropbox plugin
[08:44] <aee> thank vabigoon
[08:45] <vabigoon> no problem :> enjoy it
[09:00] <bin_bash> man... debian people are assholes
[09:00] <jgould> oh?
[09:01] <bin_bash> yeah
[09:02] <jgould> I used debian for a while,  it was, oh, 10 years ago or so now.  Started on Slackware...
[09:03] <psycho_oreos> so one insults another distro that's not exactly related to this channel nor this distro without a good reason
[09:29] <lo0m> hi, i've installed xub 11.04 on lenovo T510 yesterday. everythng works fine except LCD brightness control. the icon appears and the bar goes up and down as it should, but brightness is the same (and it propably worked fine on LiveCD). any suggestions?
[09:51] <musaraigne> morning
[09:52] <musaraigne> Help needed ^^; can't play dvd's on latest xubuntu, despite having w32 codecs and libdvdcss installed from medibuntu
[09:52] <musaraigne> I did try to zone my dvd drive but it didn't sort it out
[10:14] <want_to_help> hi all the people.I have VERY VERY old computer(year 1997,200 MHz Pentium-MMX processor, 16 MB RAM, 1 GB HDD).What version of xUbuntu I should(can) install?
[10:16] <russian_noob_XDD> Who can help me?
[10:18] <psycho_oreos> I don't really think you can install xubuntu (with graphics) for such a small amount of RAM
[10:19] <psycho_oreos> as with other distros that might be suitable for such a small amount of RAM may struggle. Things like puppylinux for instance
[10:21] <russian_noob_XDD> thnx a lot
[10:22] <psycho_oreos> are you planning to run without graphics or?
[10:24] <mikeatvillage> I used to run Slackware as Samba servers (without any GUI) on 200Mhz PCs but I never tried on less than 64Mb RAM.
[10:27] <psycho_oreos> I've never ran linux on that sort of specs. I do have 200MHz PC somewhere but it has 64MB RAM as well. My very first linux boxen was on a PII 400MHz with 768MB RAM
[10:27] <russian_noob_XDD> I have normal computer at home,
[10:28] <russian_noob_XDD> BUT THIS IS MY GRANDMOTHER'S COMPUTER!
[10:29] <psycho_oreos> she's probably not going to enjoy running linux on it unless she's happy to deal with the terminal
[10:30] <psycho_oreos> the only other way is to make a huge swap file/partition and have programs running off swap unless they are critical to kernel and/or Xorg itself
[10:31] <psycho_oreos> even at that one still needs to run a very minimalistic WM/DE frontend so again, puppylinux may suit
[10:39] <russian_noob_XDD> my grandmother don't use her computer
[10:41] <russian_noob_XDD> I don't like the terminal too, and I just want to connect with the Internet and play normal games(I don't like Mario)
[10:42] <nonix4> russian_noob_XDD: well if lucky, you may find ram upgrade to 64 megs for around $5.
[10:43] <russian_noob_XDD> nonix4: OMG! Really??!!
[10:43] <nonix4> (upgrades beyond 64 megs most likely wont work properly for computers of that age, as they tend to lack so called "tag ram")'
[10:43] <russian_noob_XDD> It will be better to buy new computer XDDD
[10:45] <russian_noob_XDD> I think, I can't find so old RAM in my small provincial russian town
[10:48] <nonix4> russian_noob_XDD: well I tend to upgrade all old machines to their motherboards' max ram before even considering using them for something, much more pleasant to use that way :)
[10:50] <russian_noob_XDD> creator of PuppyLinux, probably, did have computer like this XDD
[10:50] <russian_noob_XDD> Excuse me for bad English
[10:50] <nonix4> (smallest ram 'puter I have running Linux is around 16 megs, but that is OpenWrt)
[10:52] <russian_noob_XDD> What OS better for my "computer": Win98 or Win95?
[10:52] <russian_noob_XDD> Now I have Win98
[10:53] <nonix4> neither of them can be used with networking...
[10:58] <bazhang> russian_noob_XDD, ask in ##windows , this is xubuntu support
[10:59] <nonix4> russian_noob_XDD: actually for 16 megs I'd recommend freebsd.
[11:34] <xharx> i use xubuntu 11.04 and i cant find the option to set the speed of the mousecursor. What I find is the acceleration, but speed isn't inflluenced
[11:36] <Sysi> try moving other slider too
[11:38] <xharx> I did so, no effect
[11:40] <Sysi> it should work and it works for me, what mouse do you have?
[11:41] <xharx> synaptic mousepad
[11:55] <bob34> hello
[12:39] <moldy-b> hello everyone!
[12:40] <moldy-b> have just started using xubuntu 11.04 and think its great!
[12:41] <moldy-b> oh well bye
[15:03] <LinXNut> hello?
[15:04] <KM0201> yo
[15:04] <LinXNut> hey i have a question about upgrading my xubuntu
[15:04] <LinXNut> to the newer version
[15:05] <LinXNut> when I open synaptic, it says "ubuntu", but I need to only upgrade xubuntu
[15:05] <zenrox> ask away
[15:06] <Seqis> Apparently my top-panel is completely screwed up. Is there any way to reset it to the install-defaults? I tried removing ~/.config/xfce4/panel and relogging and rebooting, but that hasn't helped. Any ideas?
[15:07] <ThinkT510> LinXNut: if you have xubuntu installed and want to upgrade to xubuntu 11.04, then that is what it will do (don't worry, it won't give you ubuntu/unity).
[15:07] <KM0201> yup..
[15:07] <KM0201> lol
[15:08] <KM0201> guess he didn't want to stick arond for the answer
[15:08] <ThinkT510> trust...
[15:16] <KM0201> how do i message a user, that is not in any of the channels... i'm in.. but when I do a WHOIS, it finds him
[15:16] <KM0201> but it doesn't show the channel he's in
[15:17] <Sysi> /msg $USER hello
[15:18] <KM0201> Sysi: oh ok.
[15:18] <Sysi> i wish that's not client spesific
[15:50] <Seqis> I've added my own panel to the bottom of my desktop (replacing one that was there by default). I'd like it to remain "always on top" in that maximized windows cannot penetrate it (just as maximized windows does not penetrate the top panel). Is that possible?
[15:56] <zenrox> yes
[15:57] <KM0201> Seqis: right click panel/panel preferences/lock panel
[15:57] <zenrox> just lock the panl
[15:57] <KM0201> make sure your on the proper panel (1 or 2 from the sounds of it)
[15:58] <serpentologist> Does Xubuntu have network-manager and nm-applet installed by default? Or any other tool that would allow to create VPN connection as easily as nm-applet does?
[15:58] <Sysi> nm-applet is there by default
[15:58] <serpentologist> cool, i'm switching to Xubuntu then
[15:59]  * KM0201 obviously notices another Unity fan
[15:59] <KM0201> lol
[15:59] <serpentologist> yeah you are right)
[15:59] <Seqis> KM0201, thank you .. that helped... Though applications can still penetrate it if I left-click and drag them to the bottom of the desktop where the bottom-panel is located... The top of the panel is not treated as the desktop-border, except when maximizing now..
[16:01] <KM0201> Seqis: oh ok..
[16:01] <KM0201> thats not penetrating.. thats you dragging/dropping
[16:01] <KM0201> lol
[16:01] <Seqis> KM0201, well I am a recent user of XFCE. I am used to Gnome panels, which when locked cannot be penetrated.
[16:01] <KM0201> ya
[16:01] <Seqis> KM0201, essentially I'd like to treat the bottom panel like the top one is by default... locked & impenetrable.
[16:02] <KM0201> Seqis: hold on, i just found how to turn that off.
[16:02] <KM0201> settings mgr, window manager, focus tab...
[16:02] <KM0201> sorry
[16:02] <KM0201> advanced tab
[16:03] <KM0201> uncheck "Wrap workspaces when dragging"
[16:03] <KM0201> that'll disable that
[16:03] <Seqis> what does that disable exactly?
[16:03] <KM0201> Seqis: it disables dragging windows off the workspace'
[16:04] <KM0201> isn't that what you wanted?
[16:04] <Seqis> no
[16:04] <Seqis> ok .. I'll have to explain a bit more
[16:04] <KM0201> well i must just be totally lost.
[16:05] <Seqis> The bottom of the desktop is currently seen as the true bottom of the desktop.. not the top of the bottom panel as the bottom of the desktop
[16:05] <Sysi> log out and back in
[16:06] <Seqis> so while I could drag an application off-screen, sure .... it seems that even though the bottom panel is locked, I can have an application window hit the top of the bottom panel, then drag down a bit further, it will hit the bottom of the true-desktop... then drag a bit further, and it'll drag off-screen
[16:06] <Seqis> My panels are transparent... so I can see my windows at the bottom of the desktop, behind the bottom panel
[16:08] <Sysi> like it's ment to work afaik
[16:08] <Seqis> I just wanted to know if there was a way to effectively "end" the bottom of the desktop at the top of the bottom panel.
[16:08] <KM0201> Seqis: lol, i don't think so..
[16:09] <Seqis> FOr a second, I thought in Settings Manager, Workspaces there was a way to set the bottom border in # of pixels
[16:12] <Seqis> ...Well I'm new to Xubuntu... I was very put off by the whole Unity and Gnome 3 desktop environments... and since it seems that Gnome 2.x is headed for destruction ... I started looking. Seems that XFCE is viable for my needs and Xubuntu seems to be fitting that pretty well.
[16:15] <KM0201> Seqis: yeah, thats what ultimately made me switch to xfce.. not a huge fan of gnome 3 or unity.
[16:15] <Seqis> oh man
[16:15] <Seqis> unity & gnome 3 look like Fisher Price desktop environments...
[16:15] <Seqis> a Desktop PC is not an oversized Smartphone
[16:16] <Seqis> I suppose Unity & Gnome 3 would be good on tablets or smartphones... but not desktops.
[16:17] <Seqis> I essentially recreated my two-panel look of Gnome 2.x ... removed the bottom panel that comes with Xubuntu, added a Window Menu & Workspace Switcher to the bottom panel, and removed the Window Menu from the top panel
[16:19] <drc> Woah...now the new panel does what Sequi want...lemme figure out how I did it.
[16:20] <Seqis> drc ack! you gotta tell me!  :)
[16:20] <drc> as soon as I figure it out :)
[16:20] <Seqis> the panel functionality I'm referring to is basically how it acts under Gnome 2.x
[16:21] <drc> try this: make panel 2, verticle, lock...try moving a window <under> the panel...
[16:21] <Seqis> ok
[16:21] <drc> the move it horizonal and bottom
[16:21] <Seqis> nope, it still moves under the panel
[16:22] <drc> hmmm...
[16:22] <drc> wish I knew
[16:22] <drc> nope, I was wrong
[16:22] <Seqis> drc, so the TOP of your bottom panel acts as the true bottom of the desktop?
[16:23] <drc> I changed the edge snap distence...and it "snaped" to the top of panel 2
[16:23] <Seqis> right
[16:23] <drc> I <thought> it was not going under the panel
[16:23] <Seqis> that's the LOCK checkbox
[16:23] <Seqis> so maximized windows will not cross the top of the bottom panel
[16:24] <drc> oh well...puppy time
[16:24] <Seqis> but you can still drag a window behind & under the top-border of the bottom panel, down to the bottom of the true desktop.
[16:26] <Sysi> i think you can't change that
[16:30] <Seqis> Sysi, ok thank you ..
[16:31] <Seqis> Sysi, do you use Audacious (not audacity) ?
[16:33] <Sysi> nope
[16:33] <Seqis> ..ok
[16:38] <xubuntu306> hi
[16:39] <Seqis> ..hi
[16:50] <bin_bash> ummm does abiword not recover???
[16:54] <bin_bash> wtf
[16:56] <xubuntu306> oh shizznit
[16:57] <xubuntu306> u shood get open office
[16:57] <bin_bash> i shouldnmt have to
[16:58] <xubuntu306> oh
[17:04] <bin_bash> my computer just shut down. idk when or why. where can i check this
[17:04] <zenrox> bin_bash, shounds like your computer got to hot and shut down to save its self
[17:04] <bin_bash> probably not
[17:05] <zenrox> it does casue my wifes did that yesterday for that very reasion its fan wasnt running
[17:05] <zenrox> when it shut down
[17:06] <bin_bash> fan is always running. it doesn't run hot.
[17:06] <zenrox> hmm
[17:06] <zenrox> but thare is a log file to look at
[17:07] <zenrox> but i dont rember whare to look
[17:07] <kuakkganni> /var/log
[17:07] <zenrox> thats it look at the xorg log and kernel log
[17:10] <bin_bash> well there's nothing in the kern.log before 11:48
[17:10] <zenrox> check the one with the numbers on them
[17:11] <zenrox> eatch is for the prev session
[17:11] <zenrox> 1 is the last one 2 is the one before that etc.....
[17:11] <bin_bash> empty
[17:11] <zenrox> hmmm
[17:11] <zenrox> what about xorg
[17:12] <bin_bash> idk how to read it
[17:12] <zenrox> past bin it
[17:13] <bin_bash> http://pastie.org/private/oju3rbucftun9hfnb4rbg
[17:14] <zenrox> nothen in thare either
[17:14] <zenrox> every thang looks normal
[17:15] <zenrox> try sys.log
[17:15] <zenrox> message.log and user.log
[17:15] <bin_bash> zenrox: read my mind
[17:15] <bin_bash> i was in the syslog
[17:15] <bin_bash> lol
[17:15] <bin_bash> May  1 10:17:01 Jack CRON[9117]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
[17:15] <zenrox> dmesg might be a good one too
[17:15] <bin_bash> May  1 11:48:26 Jack kernel: imklog 4.6.4, log source = /proc/kmsg started.
[17:17] <zenrox> hmm maby cron just crashed what just before cron
[17:18] <bin_bash> May  1 07:40:07 Jack kernel: [162211.392440] EXT4-fs (sda4): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro,commit=0
[17:18] <bin_bash> May  1 08:17:01 Jack CRON[11674]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
[17:18] <bin_bash> May  1 09:17:01 Jack CRON[26796]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
[17:19] <zenrox> your ext4 freaked out
[17:20] <bin_bash> 3 hours before it shut off?
[17:22] <bin_bash> weird
[17:23] <bin_bash> okay well now I found out that abiword does have my file
[17:23] <bin_bash> but it's .doc.bak and when I try to open it, it's xml
[17:25] <bin_bash> only thing i can think of
[17:25] <bin_bash> is maybe skype crashed
[17:25] <bin_bash> and overheated the computer
[17:27] <KM0201> hmm
[17:41] <Brinson> Hey, I accidentally removed the network-manager applet from my panel...and its not on the list to add...how did they get it there?
[17:42] <Sysi> Brinson: notification area or indicator plugin
[17:45] <Brinson> mmm, I added them both, and still can't see it. Do you know the command for bringing up the network-manager? I thought it was network-manager-gnome but that isn't working
[17:45] <Sysi> nm-applet
[17:49] <Brinson> I think I'm just going to install wicd.
[17:51] <KM0201> Brinson: i believe you'd need to add notification area, to get your network applet back
[17:52] <drc> Brinson: Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Session and Startup>Application Autostart...find and check Network Manager
[17:52] <KM0201> drc: from what he's saying, i think it's running, ti's just not in the panel (or i assume its runnning, since he's here)
[17:53] <Brinson> I'm on a different computer, but yeah, its running. Its actually in the panel now, I had to restart for some reason.
[17:53] <drc> KM0201: Probably, but he seems to be having (other?) problems...best to check everything :)
[17:53] <KM0201> drc: i didn't notice the other problems
[17:54] <Brinson> thanks for the help guys. 11.04 is a very nice release. Xfce 4.8 is so nice.
[17:54] <drc> well, <other> as in: the nm-applet wasn't showing up where we expected it :)
[17:55] <KM0201> drc: well, thats just because he removed notification area
[17:55] <KM0201> add it back, its there... if nm-applet wasn't running, the machine wouldn't get onlin
[17:59] <drc> Ah...<that's> why my xfce-power-manager shows up (when I said only on battery use and recharge)...the silly usb mouse uses/drains a battery.
[18:18] <kbmaniac>  have just installed 11.04 xubuntu all is good apart from after a re-boot, on clicking a folder there is a long delay before thunar opens and an error message pops up - “did not recieve a reply. possible causes ....” after that thunar starts real quick ... any ideas ?
[18:19] <Sysi> the delay is "feature" that came with new features, error should be about something else
[18:20] <kbmaniac> lol .. OK will copy text of error ...
[18:20] <kbmaniac> Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[18:21] <KM0201> Sysi: what was tha tlink that was posted to the other day (it was on psychocats) to completely remove Xfce, or Lxde, or whatever
[18:21] <kbmaniac> odd because its a brand new install, anyone else getting this message on thunar 1st start ?
[18:21] <KM0201> found it
[18:21] <KM0201> !pure
[18:21] <KM0201> !purexfce
[18:22] <KM0201> purelxde
[18:22] <KM0201> !purelxde
[18:22] <KM0201> !purekde
[18:32] <Souperman> !ot
[18:36] <KM0201> i wasn't off topic, what are you talking about.
[18:48] <LinXnut> I have a question about upgrading my xubuntu to 11.04. Through the synaptic package manager, it says "Ubuntu" upgrade, but I only need to upgrade Xubuntu. Is this the same thing or different?
[18:50] <Sysi> same thing
[18:50] <Sysi> ubuntu and xubuntu dowload (updated) software from same place
[18:51] <LinXnut> ok thank you! :D
[19:02] <inaety> Hi. I have my font set to using Droid Sans under fonts which I want to keep but when trying to view PDFs under xpdf, the rendering comes out terribly
[19:02] <inaety> How can I change this rendering without changing my system font
[19:02] <Sysi> xfce shouldn't matter with xpdf rendering
[19:03] <Sysi> what about other pdf software?
[19:04] <Sysi> or i'm not expert with that..
[19:04] <Souperman> inaety, by definition pdf's have their own set of fonts
[19:05] <inaety> changing the system font changes the font rendered in xpdf
[19:06] <inaety> along with document viewer as well
[19:07] <Souperman> it does? first time i heard that
[19:21] <inaety> Souperman, give it a try
[19:22] <KM0201> what is that xfce tool, for configuring pulse audio.
[19:23] <KM0201> it's a GUI tool.
[19:23] <KM0201> !pulseaudio
[19:24] <KM0201> !pulsemixer
[19:30] <Seqis> Why is it that the Notification Area plugin is shadowed out when I want to add it? I've been in a situation in the past where I've removed that plugin, and I can't add it back in because it's shadowed out...
[19:31] <Souperman> add what?
[19:31] <Seqis> the Notification Area plugin
[19:31] <Seqis> ..to the panel
[19:32] <Seqis> it's in the same list as the CPU Graph, clock, etc
[19:32] <Souperman> oh is shadowed because you are using another installer, synaptic or ubuntu software center, or apt-get, or aptitude
[19:33] <Seqis> hmm? When I right click my panel, and I go down to PANEL --> Add New Items...
[19:33] <Souperman> i dont understand
[19:33] <Seqis> you using XFCE?
[19:33] <Souperman> indeed, like from forever
[19:33] <Seqis> :) ok
[19:33] <Seqis> just checking
[19:34] <Seqis> ok so, right click your panel.... go to Add New Items
[19:34] <Seqis> there's a bunch of applets (or plugins) listed
[19:34] <Souperman> there, now is all grey because i have the add new items window open
[19:34] <Seqis> ok
[19:35] <Seqis> look in the listing
[19:35] <Souperman> now what?
[19:35] <Seqis> go down to N and look for Notification Area
[19:35] <Seqis> Is it grayed out for you?
[19:35] <Souperman> nope
[19:35] <Seqis> wow it is for me
[19:35] <Souperman> i see
[19:35] <Seqis> and this is a fresh install
[19:35] <Souperman> add a new panel and try to add the notification area to it
[19:36] <Seqis> ya did that -- still shadowed out
[19:36] <Seqis> it's the only one on the list that's shadowed out to me
[19:37] <Seqis> Being this is a fresh install, I was wondering if I had to do something
[19:37] <Seqis> Not here, but at work I have a dual monitor setup and I'd expect to want to add the Notification Area to the 2nd monitor on a new panel for that 2nd monitor... so I am expecting to run into this problem there
[19:38] <Souperman> Seqis, this fresh install was using a pure xubuntu disk?
[19:39] <Seqis> yep
[19:39] <Seqis> 11.04
[19:39] <Seqis> everything else looks good.. I was wondering why this is shadowed out like that.
[19:41] <Sysi> it's shadowed if you alreadu have it somewhere
[19:42] <Seqis> Well you can only have one I suppose? But here's the rub ..... if I remove it (and I have) I can't put it back, because it's still shadowed. In fact, the only way I could restore it was to delete the entire ~/.config/xfce4 directory and reboot to force a redraw
[19:43] <Sysi> you should be able to do that.. and it worked for me
[19:43] <Seqis> Sysi, to do what, exactly?
[19:43] <Sysi> you're sure it wasn't indicator plugin?
[19:43] <Sysi> to add it back
[19:43] <Souperman> Seqis, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/10181/xubuntu-restoring-the-notifcation-area-in-xfce4
[19:43] <Souperman> have you read this?
[19:43] <Seqis> let me check
[19:44] <Seqis> heh yea
[19:44] <Seqis> theyr'e saying the same thing
[19:44] <Sysi> worked for me..
[19:44] <Seqis> they suggest just removing the panel subdirectory
[19:44] <Seqis> but that didn't work for me, I had to remove the entire xfce4 directory
[19:44] <Sysi> weird
[19:44] <Seqis> Sysi, you removed the notification area, and then you were able to put it back?
[19:44] <Seqis> I guess it's not shadowed for you
[19:45] <Seqis> I'm wondering why mine is, and what I could do to repair that... this install is 1 hour old.
[19:45] <Seqis> Also, if forces a white background, I wanted to change that... but that's a minor thing
[19:46] <Seqis> if=it
[19:50] <Souperman> i think, something went wrong whit your installation
[19:50] <Souperman> you have a separated /home ?
[19:50] <Seqis> everything looks great so far... all the plugins for the panel work fine.. and are not shadowed... just that one item.
[19:50] <Seqis> Yea I always make a separate partition for /boot, /, /home and swap
[19:51] <Souperman> maybe you had config files there that are changing stuff
[19:51] <Seqis> oh this was a fresh install and format
[19:51] <Seqis> this is my "testing" box.
[19:51] <Seqis> the /home was formatted ext4
[19:52] <Seqis> could I reinstall (i.e. add/remove) plugins for panels
[19:52] <Seqis> ?
[19:53] <Seqis> When i right click the plugin by the way it says above "Indicator Plugin"
[19:56] <MK`> how big should I make a /boot partition?
[19:56] <Seqis> MK`, I rarely make it larger than 250MB
[19:57] <MK`> I have an old 15 GB drive I want to install Xubuntu on, is why
[19:57] <KM0201> MK`, you don't really *have* to have a boot partition
[19:57] <KM0201> if xubuntu is the only thing on the drive.. i see no reason to personally
[19:57] <MK`> I'd prefer to keep them separate if I could
[19:58] <Seqis> 250mb should suffice. I also make the root 20gig... so with a 15gig drive, not sure ... you may be able to get away with 5 or 6 gig.
[19:58] <MK`> well it's not the only drive in the computer :P
[19:58] <MK`> my /home will be on a different HD
[19:58] <KM0201> MK`, thats not really an issue.. just install grub to the 15gig drive.. and it'll never touch the other drives mbr
[19:58] <KM0201> put it on the 15gig drives mbr, and it'l lnever touch the other drives, mbr.. that is
[19:58] <KM0201> but regardless, as said, a 250mb /boot is plenty
[19:58] <Souperman> Seqis, http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-53991-icon-bar-has-disappeared
[19:59] <Souperman> ?
[19:59] <Seqis> let me check that Souperman, thank you
[19:59] <Seqis> Souperman, that's a forum post for windows ... :\
[20:00] <Souperman> yes, read the guy who posts about xfce
[20:00] <Seqis> I did a bunch of googling on it before asking in here though..
[20:00] <Seqis> oh
[20:03] <Seqis> Souperman, that seems to be a command line version of doing the same thing via the gui ... I did try xfce4-panel --add="Notification Area" (with and without quotes) .. nothing happened
[20:04] <Seqis> I suppose I'll google more.. perhaps ask again in a while... seems like a fixable issue
[20:07] <Ascavasaion> I installed Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on an AMD Duron 1300MHz, 384Mb RAM and 20Gb HDD.  I am intending to change to Xubuntu desktop.  but on the first reboot after installing it stop booting and gives me this... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/601832/   Any ideas please?
[20:07] <MK`> hm I read your issue Seqis, very strange
[20:07] <Seqis> MK`, I noticed something just now.
[20:08] <MK`> Ascavasaion: I cannot help sorry
[20:09] <Ascavasaion> Um, thanks MK`
[20:09] <Seqis> in the list of ADD new Items -- the "Indicator Plugin" is available.. and looks just like the one on the panel.. (it is NOT grayed out). So I can indeed add 2nd (or 3rd) Indicator Plugins. I guess I wanted "Indicator Plugin" the whole time. I don't knwo though why "Notification area" is still shadowed.
[20:10] <Seqis> woops
[20:10] <MK`> Sequis: there is some overlap among those 3 plugins, if you use all 3 it will only put some of the things in one of them
[20:13] <Seqis> MK`, there seems to me other things you can add into the indicator plugin
[20:13] <MK`> probably
[20:13] <Seqis> MK`, would you know where there's a list of which items I could add/remove?
[20:13] <Seqis> MK`, I have a partial list
[20:14] <MK`> one sec
[20:15] <MK`> Indicator Applet Session has your session changer and logoff button. Indicator Applet has your Battery, Sound, and Messages. Notification area has your programs, Update Manager, Internet, and a duplicate Battery
[20:16] <MK`> If you have Indicator and Notification it only has batter in the Indicator
[20:16] <MK`> y*
[20:16] <Seqis> it seems that you can add items
[20:17] <Seqis> sudo apt-get install indicator-application indicator-appmenu indicator-messages indicator-session indicator-sound
[20:18] <MK`> cool
[20:18] <Ascavasaion> I installed Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on an AMD Duron 1300MHz, 384Mb RAM and 20Gb HDD.  I am intending to change to Xubuntu desktop.  but on the first reboot after installing it stop booting and gives me this... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/601832/   Any ideas please?
[20:20] <Souperman> Ascavasaion, http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-initrd-bug.html
[20:20] <MK`> yeah indicator-applet has 3 addons: indicator-messages, indicator-sound, indicator-application. indicator-applet-session seems to be the gnome version of indicator-session + indicator-me
[20:20] <Seqis> yep
[20:21] <Seqis> but the panel is 1 blocked panel... you can't seem to change the icon order inside the applet or move the icons around.. they're either there, or not.
[20:21] <Seqis> ..they also can't be split up ..
[20:21] <MK`> maybe you can reconfigure the applet somehow :P
[20:21] <MK`> lemme look into it
[20:23] <Seqis> MK`, I was checking into that... it would be nice because the applet "indicator-session" allows the log-off, reboot, etc... that would be a great replacement for the "Session Menu" plugin (and uses less space on the panel), but it's not placeable on the far right within the plugin ... which really is the appropriate place for a session-icon
[20:24] <MK`> there are gconf files that let you suppress some of them but that's it I think
[20:24] <MK`> 1 /apps/indicator-session/suppress_logout_menuitem
[20:25] <MK`> to "Remove the Log Out item from the session menu"
[20:25] <Seqis> I apt-get removed the indicator-session  :)
[20:25] <Seqis> that's another way to suppress it
[20:25] <Seqis> :\
[20:25] <MK`> 2: /apps/indicator-session/suppress_logout_restart_shutdown "Suppress the dialog to confirm logout, restart and shutdown action"
[20:25] <MK`> and then ones to remove restart and shut down
[20:26] <Seqis> But icon placement within the plugin appears to be a nono
[20:26] <MK`> yeah
[20:26] <MK`> shame
[20:26] <xubuntu009> yeah
[20:27] <Seqis> Shame there's no plugins for each of them specifically then.....
[20:27] <Seqis> MK`, Are there more panel plugins than the ones listed by default?
[20:28] <MK`> i'm sure you can find plenty of other ones people have made
[20:28] <Seqis> Are they gtk 2.x plugins?
[20:28] <MK`> most likely
[20:28] <MK`> I am on gnome myself right now
[20:28] <Seqis> ah
[20:29] <Seqis> I felt trapped by the whole Ubuntu Unity and Gnome 3 craziness
[20:29] <Seqis> so I'm trying out Xubuntu
[20:29] <Seqis> XFCE seems to be the only way for me, if I don't want to turn my PC into an oversized smartphone.
[20:29] <MK`> it's nice
[20:29] <MK`> I use Xubuntu when I break gnome mostly
[20:29] <Seqis> ...since I know Gnome 2.x is destined for the trashbin ... :(
[20:29] <MK`> but I am about to install it on an older PC :P
[20:30] <Ascavasaion> Souperman: Hectic stuff to go wrong on a fresh install.  Seems I wasted time and effort and pre-paid internet bandwidth on Ubuntu again.
[20:30] <Souperman> :/
[20:30] <MK`> pre-paid bandwidth? sheesh
[20:30] <Souperman> sorry?
[20:30] <Seqis> Maybe I'm getting old, but Gnome 2.x seems to me so optimized....... I am dumbfounded as to why they're abandoning that panel set
[20:30] <Sysi> i've never liked gnome 2
[20:31] <Seqis> Sysi, from a performance memory hog perspective, or from a user interface perspective
[20:32] <Sysi> usability perspective
[20:32] <Ascavasaion> MK`: Yes, the joys of living in a 3rd world country.
[20:32] <Sysi> i like KDE4
[20:32] <Seqis> ..never card for KDE
[20:32] <Sysi> or actually, what i can get from it
[20:32] <Seqis> cared*
[20:32] <MK`> I have Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu all installed on here. My application and settings menus are disaster areas
[20:32] <Seqis> I've always preferred Gnome 2.x... and now the whole Gnome/Ubuntu world seems to think I need 50 pixel icons
[20:33] <nekoCAT> The only thing l really like about gnome 2 are the themes but the Xubuntu theme is the style I use it works out fine with the demise of Gnome 2.
[20:33] <Sysi> i really hate usability that is like playing FPS game
[20:33] <Souperman> Seqis, i know this might be like too much, but... you could sudo apt-get purge xfce4-panel form a tty while xfce is shut down and then do sudo apt-get install xfce4-panel again
[20:33] <Seqis> It looks like a Fisher Price desktop environment.. (unity & gnome 3)
[20:33] <Souperman> :P
[20:34] <Seqis> Souperman,   :\
[20:34] <Seqis> Actually I think I solved it
[20:34] <nekoCAT> Seqis: The same could be said of KDE
[20:34] <Seqis> I really don't know why the Notification Area plugin is shadowed... but I don't think I need it... it's really the "Indicator Plugin" I needed.
[20:35] <Sysi> gett off from 90s :P
[20:35] <MK`> brb
[20:35] <Souperman> oh well, but its not the same
[20:36] <Sysi> Seqis: didn't i suggest that kinda long time ago? :D
[20:36] <Ascavasaion> Souperman: when I do  cat /proc/cmdline I get a long BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-linuxkernelversion root=looongnumberhere.  but when I do a ls there is no /boot folder.
[20:36] <Seqis> Sysi, yea... you did
[20:36] <Seqis> <--- stew-pid
[20:36] <Seqis> Sysi, though I don't know why the Notification Area is shadowed... but <whatever> :)
[20:37] <Seqis> Well from the forum posts I'm reading on Ubuntu Forums... it looks like Unity & Gnome 3 have done forked the Ubuntu-using population into "I like it" and "OMG are you kidding?!" ... I'm in the latter group, hence my arrival at Xubuntu.
[20:37] <MK`> of course
[20:37] <MK`> Ubuntu will continue to head toward Unity
[20:37] <Sysi> i think unity is like worse version of kde-netbook
[20:37] <MK`> and the gnome community will create a Gubuntu derivative eventuallty
[20:38] <MK`> and we'll all be happy
[20:38] <Seqis> precisely ... it's a good interface (maybe) for netbooks and/or tablets... but Desktops?? MmmmmKk..
[20:38] <Sysi> Seqis: what's the difference?
[20:38] <Seqis> Yea... they'll either fork GTK 2.x or port the panels over to GTK 3.x
[20:38] <Sysi> why wouldn't it work on bigger screen?
[20:39] <Souperman> Ascavasaion, sorry, i can't really help you there, if there is nothing important on the disk you could do a fresh install again, formating the hard drive and reinstalling it all
[20:39] <Seqis> Sysi, well in a mobile environment, I can see how large icons for touch screens are a good idea and big panels
[20:39] <Ascavasaion> Souperman: And use up yet more Internet bandwidth? :(
[20:39] <Sysi> Seqis: and why wouldn't they be even better on desktop since the screen is bigger?
[20:39] <Seqis> Sysi, but for a desktop PC with high res monitors and power users trying to get work done as opposed to just doing simple tasks on a mobile screen-restricted mobile device, it just isn't sufficient.
[20:40] <Seqis> the logic doesn't scale Sysi . A large icon that is easy to tap with a finger tip doesn't mean you need a large icon on a desktop PC when you're using a mouse.
[20:40] <Souperman> Ascavasaion, sorry, but upgrading never goes well, the best solution to avoid most problems is to do clean installs
[20:40] <Sysi> Seqis: even if you don't need it it's better
[20:40] <Ascavasaion> Souperman: It was a clean install.
[20:41] <Seqis> Sysi, how do you see it as better? I suppose unity/gtk 3 is a matter of preference ultimately.
[20:41] <Souperman> then why do you bother about bandwhidth you already have the installer...
[20:41] <Sysi> Seqis: easier pointing
[20:41] <Seqis> ...for the handicapped maybe.
[20:41] <Ascavasaion> Souperman: Part of the install is a lot of downloding of files... I do not know what it is downloading.
[20:42] <Souperman> language files. you can avoid that part
[20:42] <Seqis> but I fail to see why an icon needs to be that large or the panels so screen-splitting that a standard use with a mouse would find that useful
[20:42] <Souperman> clic "cancel"
[20:42] <Souperman> or just unplug the internets
[20:42] <Sysi> it won't use internet if you unplug it
[20:43] <Sysi> i'm slow.. TV →
[20:43] <Ascavasaion> Souperman: Oh, thought it was necessary.,
[20:44] <Souperman> well its not mandatory, it installs language files, if it doesnt it will be on english
[20:44] <Seqis> Sysi, would you know if on a fresh Xubuntu install if I copied my ~/.config/xfce4 folder, I'd be able to easily/quickly copy my panel setup and XFCE preferences to a fresh install?
[20:44] <Souperman> Seqis, im sure you need to copy it while xfce is not runing
[20:45] <Sysi> backup and then just push it back after installation before login
[20:46] <Seqis> Souperman, yea that's why I'm asking... so how would I approach that... force init 3 ?
[20:46] <serpentologist> Hi, i have the following problem: i burned xubuntu image to disk and successfully booted from it. But when i tried to install the system i got error because some files could not be read. So here the question: is there a way to configure installer in such a way that it downloads packages from the server, not from the disk?
[20:46] <Souperman> well you could log out and start an pure x session
[20:47] <Seqis> I just spent so much time tweaking this XFCE setup on this test box.. it would be nice to just copy the config files over to a 2nd install
[20:48] <Souperman> serpentologist, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[20:48] <Seqis> Sysi, so i suppose the easy way would be to install fresh on a new box, then reboot using the live-cd (USB actually) then mount the /home and place the files
[20:49] <Seqis> Sysi, but more to the point ... are all the configs for XFCE preferences (like Appearance style & icon selection) and panel setup all kept in the ~/.config/xfce4 directory?
[20:52] <Sysi> i have pretty customized setup and it takes about quarter to set it up :P
[20:52] <Sysi> xfce <3
[20:52] <Seqis> a quarter... hour?
[20:52] <Sysi> 15 mins
[20:53] <Seqis> well it would take me longer, so I'd prefer to just copy the configs...
[20:53] <Seqis> Are they all kept in ~/.config/xfce4  ?
[20:54] <Seqis> It seems they are... because earlier when I removed it .. I lost everything and they all defaulted back to install defaults.
[20:55] <Seqis> I suppose I'll just test it on a vm
[20:59] <aphrek> are there any keyboard shortcuts for displaying open apps side by side - similar to expose on mac...
[21:00] <Souperman> im pretty sure there are some compiz stuff to do that
[21:02] <aphrek> aha - I will check, just sorting out nvidia drivers first , cheers
[21:15] <eduardo_> do you prefer greybird or bluebird?
[21:16] <eduardo_> Im a bluebird theme fan
[21:20] <tatzenblogde> hey, does anybody know why libreoffice doesnt look like a typical gnome-application in xubuntu? i know it isnt a typical gnome-application, but how can i fit the style?
[21:21] <Sysi> install libreoffice-gtk
[21:21] <KM0201> lol, i'd say you answered your own question...lol
[21:21] <KM0201> it's not a typical gnome-application, so it doesn't look like a typical gnome-application.. :)
[21:22] <tatzenblogde> year, right :-) but i installed the package libreoffice-gtk and know it behaves like one :-)
[21:23] <tatzenblogde> thanks!
[21:23] <KM0201> well thats all you can ask for.. :)
[21:23] <nekoCAT> eduardo_: Greybird.  It is a very professional and distraction free theme.
[21:24] <tatzenblogde> i'm so impressed of the new xfce / xubuntu
[21:26] <Souperman> 10.04 still uses open office
[22:08] <mikeatvillage> Hah! Eventually got Skype working ... removed PulseAudio !
[22:13] <KM0201> mikeatvillage, it does seem to work a lot better w/ alsa
[22:13] <KM0201> i was just noticing that myself
[22:14] <KM0201> ive been messing w/ Lubuntu (which uses alsa)... and skype is perfectly clear on it
[22:16] <mikeatvillage> I too have been test driving Lubuntu, it's rather nice.
[22:17] <mikeatvillage> It prompted me to try removing PulseAudio from this xubuntu installation :-)
[22:17] <KM0201> mikeatvillage, i like it a lot.
[22:17] <KM0201> i might install it
[22:21] <bin_bash> anyone know python?
[22:26] <KM0201> negative
[22:27] <Souperman> #python
[22:27] <KM0201> lolwhat
[22:27] <KM0201> :)
[22:27] <KM0201> ok, i gotta leavve, be back in a while
[22:28] <Souperman> kk
[22:28] <Souperman> ;)
[23:37] <mister_m> I am having all sorts of problems after upgrading to 11.04
[23:40] <mister_m> the xfce session seems to be running smoother than the xubuntu session