=== micahg_ is now known as micahg === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq [03:48] wth? [03:49] ok, can someoine help me? [03:50] no? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [08:33] morning [08:42] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns4TPTC8whw o_O [08:46] damn, am I the only one with broken flash in 11.04? [08:47] says I have to download a plugin, but I already have it [08:59] bug 716311 [08:59] Launchpad bug 716311 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "flash not installed" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716311 [09:00] hmmm [09:04] now this is making sense [09:04] thanks, micahg [09:04] I had an error in the upgrade, and I'll bet anything it was nsplugin [09:05] I was bleary, and it said it was fixed, but obviously it wasn't [09:05] uninstalling [09:06] valorie: you're welcome [09:10] http://paste.ubuntu.com/602155 [09:10] reinstalling isn't going to work [09:10] :( [09:10] I guess it is just busted for awhile [09:11] I'll add to the bug [09:11] valorie: can you remove nspluginwrapper and reinstall? [09:35] shadeslayer: you are now member of the akunambol overlords, plz pkg akunambol stuff for natty :P [09:44] bambee: that sorting dance needs some parallelization ;) [09:44] debfx: hehe [09:44] debfx: I did not find fusion or quick sort :'( [09:46] sort me here, sort me there [09:46] what are you talking about btw? [09:46] also quick sort is like insanely easy to implement :P [09:46] rbelem: are you doing a mobile spec? [09:48] apachelogger: fusion sort too [09:49] they all are :P [09:49] :P [09:50] easy to implement in code or as a choreography? ;) [09:50] apachelogger: http://wwwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns4TPTC8whw <--- we are talking about this dance [09:50] ScottK: maybe we should make a default-browser blueprint? [09:51] ah [09:51] best about that video is the music really [09:52] actually [09:53] everyone watch that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyZQPjUT5B4&feature=related [09:53] at UDS we could do bubble sort :P [09:53] if only I could [09:53] maybe html5 will work [09:53] apachelogger: you need to do some lobbying for bigger images: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-unity2d-qt-cdspace [09:54] html5 will work everywhere but rekonq [09:54] * apachelogger wonders why ScottK did not subscribe apachelogger :P [09:54] that would allow us to choose a browser based on a criteria other than cd space [09:54] well [09:54] I still like my plan better :P [09:55] using dvd as default distro media and cd as english-only [09:55] what do we have to talk about regarding community? [09:56] a plan for a cycle without the hot tub lad, getting more minions and marketing I have so far [09:59] I enjoyed give equal or more time to Kubuntu at the loco table this weekend [09:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au9WctmSems&feature=related [09:59] I was burning almost as many kub CDs as Ubuntu [09:59] sweet [10:00] I couldn't find my kubuntu hat! [10:01] but there was a guy running around in one, and two fellows in kub shirts [10:01] :-) [10:01] I kept them supplied with stickers [10:02] I have discovered the sweetness of multi-system usb [10:02] 3 ISOs on my little 8 gig [10:02] might be able to squeeze an alternate on there too [10:03] ScottK is pointing a shotgun at alternates, dont you know [10:03] yes [10:03] but they have saved my life a time or two [10:03] or at least my sanity [10:04] ScottK: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-community [10:06] * apachelogger wonders if bluebrint == 1 session slot [10:06] if so, then packaging is too fat [10:07] heh, put DarkwingDuck on there too [10:07] valorie: on the packaging blueprint? [10:07] apachelogger ping [10:07] pogo [10:07] did you see the mock? [10:07] community [10:08] no [10:08] apachelogger http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=209284142424964&set=a.179085805444798.36811.100000301383220&type=1&ref=nf [10:08] valorie: I don't think remote attendees ought to be considered curcial to a session :P [10:08] it says that is required [10:09] will it work without? [10:09] will what work? [10:09] if so, they shouldn't say it's required [10:09] subscribing without [10:09] why would it not work without [10:09] next time I'll try it that way [10:09] I would think the scheduler uses this information to build the schedule [10:10] right [10:10] i.e. first fill slots so that no crucial conflicts occur [10:10] then fill the rest with plunder [10:10] you can unsub me and I'll re-do [10:10] if you like [10:10] valorie: you need to do that :P [10:10] I cannot unsubscribe anyone [10:11] ok [10:11] sheytan: I just wanted a proxy page like wiki.kde.org :/ [10:11] other than that it looks the sexy [10:11] ok, fixed [10:11] thanks, apachelogger [10:12] ehehe, fun, maco: accessibility is also mentioned in the topic notes I wrote in november or so ^^ [10:12] apachelogger well, what for a proxy like page when you can have a whole service with all the needed informations and stuff on it? [10:12] apparently we mentioned it at some point last UDS [10:12] sheytan: who is going to maintain it? [10:13] apachelogger phonon devs? [10:13] I'd argue that their time is better spent doing development [10:13] that never worked out [10:13] in other case, there's no need for such page that will only say that phonon exist [10:13] see what happend to kde.org and their billion subpages [10:14] apachelogger how you can have a page without maintaining it? [10:14] sheytan: it goes "hai, this is phonon yayaydyayaya" then two buttons for developers, for users, the community [10:14] or somesuch [10:14] s/two/three [10:14] same thing you can have here, but with a bit more informations [10:15] I see 7 tab thingies that need to be maintained [10:15] 1 < 7 [10:16] apachelogger stuff doesn't change that fast [10:16] ScottK: maybe we should have a dedicated marketing blueprint? [10:16] that you can everyday do something with it [10:16] I realize we did not really go anywhere with what we talked about last UDS [10:16] sheytan: http://phonon.kde.org [10:16] in phonon stuff changes often enough to have a site with dated information now [10:17] apachelogger let say so. If you want a page that have the same info as the current one, why do you need a new one? [10:17] I dont want the same info [10:17] I want no flipping info [10:17] I want links to wikis [10:17] so that if information gets dated everyone, but really everyone, can do something about it [10:18] ok, ill try to remake it [10:18] thx [10:19] buy you must know that i *hate* wikis ;d [10:19] really [10:19] it is your job :P [10:19] just liek I *hate* python [10:19] you have a page, on wich you have a link, with this link you go to wiki, and then you go to another one, etc [10:19] that does not mean they are not the right choice at times :P [10:20] maybe not, but from a simple user point of view (like in kubuntu case) i want to have all stuff in one place (one page) not on thousands of wikis [10:20] there are good wikis, and bad wikis [10:20] sheytan: users should not know about phonon [10:20] unfortunately kubuntu/ubuntu wikis are rather difficult [10:20] KDE's are great [10:21] apachelogger well, they do, couse when you open up systemsettings and go to multimedia whay fo [10:21] sheytan: phonon is something for the developer, and phonon.kde.org only needs some page so that old urls stay working [10:21] what do you see? [10:21] PHonon :) [10:21] sheytan: should not be that way [10:21] we dont have a better name yet though [10:21] apachelogger the speaker test stuff should work too, but it doesn't ;) [10:21] arguably the whole configuration module is crap [10:22] like no user should need to change the backend [10:22] yeah [10:22] and the device priority neither [10:22] genau ;d [10:22] or if at all necessary the device priority should go into a sepearte thingy [10:22] anyhow [10:22] and we still dont have video config ;d [10:22] * apachelogger tries installing visual studio 2010 for the 3rd time today ^^ [10:22] sheytan: what would you configure there? [10:22] dude, are you on windows? [10:23] * apachelogger is leaving kubuntu [10:23] dunno, they just said it will be there :P [10:23] ;( [10:23] sheytan: who did? [10:23] apachelogger don't remember. Someone on planetkde [10:23] oh [10:23] I think that was about video capture :P [10:24] possible :D [10:24] anyway, we don't have it :D [10:24] because I did not let the video capture api get out of experimental [10:25] * sheytan is getting coffee, brb [10:25] ScottK: opinions on a QA blueprint? WRT LTS in the next cycle [10:27] I was trying to explain to a user with difficulties what phonon and backends were [10:27] it was pretty much impossible [10:27] sec [10:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/775429 [10:28] Ubuntu bug 775429 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "Fail to link with liboxygenstyle" [Undecided,New] [10:28] I am the bug inside your bug [10:28] why don't we have liboxygenstyle.so in the workspace-dev package? [10:40] meh [10:40] tomorrow my laptop gets picked up :( [10:44] specs for UDS are still opened ? [11:01] good night, all [11:03] nini valorie [11:03] visual studio ftw! [11:26] shadeslayer: I want to help yes, but we need to coordinate and we're never online at the same time :) [11:28] sure you are, shadeslayer is just pretending to be busy half the day :P [11:41] apachelogger, i will do that. yesterday i had no free time :-( but today i will [11:42] and the fileshare specs too [11:43] * rbelem runs to college [11:52] rbelem: roger [11:56] btw [11:56] I can't install samba in natty by pressing the install button in folder preferences dialog [11:56] is this known? [11:57] it says that kpackagekit may be incorectly installed [11:57] but kpk works fine [11:58] apachelogger: If there's QA stuff we need to discuss, I'd say yes. Dunno what that would be though. [11:58] *shrug* [11:58] how to improve it, how to do ISO testing [11:59] how can we improve bug flow and triage [11:59] apachelogger: Instead of a default browser blueprint, I'd say a package defaults blueprint as we need to discuss package manager too. [11:59] true [12:00] apachelogger: Accepted the community one. [12:02] apachelogger: If you've got energy for a QA discussion, I'll schedule it. [12:03] *shrug* [12:03] need to think about it a bit [12:06] JontheEchidna: FWIW, if qapt/muon was accepted by the Debian qt-kde team as their package manager too, then it would be very easy for me to decide which one we should be using. [12:12] * apachelogger would like to use the USC btw [12:12] the app got a very nice color balance [12:15] * apachelogger reports bug against launchpad [12:19] ScottK: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-defaults [12:21] Accepted. [12:22] apachelogger: Ubuntu has a spec to consider shipping a crap browser no one uses, but is stable and then an installer to allow people to get FF/Chromium if they want it. We ought to keep informed about this. [12:24] ScottK: yeah, I am the subscribed as essential to that [12:24] ScottK: do they even have a default package manager? [12:24] also since I wrote the installer, and they will have ot ship the Qt they would want to use existing code should it come to that :P [12:24] though I am sure mozilla will sue canonical if they switch browsers :P [12:25] debfx: For Squeeze they had no gui package manager due to lack of suitable alternatives. Prior to that they used Adept. [12:26] ScottK: that suggests that following a debian choice would be an insanely bad idea in terms of UX :P [12:26] * apachelogger notes that no gui is probably better than adept actually ^^ [12:27] apachelogger: I don't suggest blindly following. I suggest that if they were using qapt/muon, then it would be very easy for me to say we should too. [12:27] The reverse (if they don't pick), then I'd need to consider it more fully. [12:28] well [12:28] USC still pwns them all anyway [12:28] ScottK: so they didn't bother to package packagekit? [12:30] They believe it to be fundamentally flawed. [12:30] FWIW, I think they are correct, but I would have picked it as the least bad choice (as we did). [12:31] anyway I don't think it really matters what debian does in this case [12:31] we need to know if apper will be ready of oneiric and compare it to muon 1.2 [12:32] apachelogger: have you heard anything about QML2 coming to android? [12:32] qml2 does not even have a release schedule [12:34] apachelogger: :D hehe [12:35] apachelogger: I suppose that lovely video thing you did (like 5 lines for a video???) is only QML2 though? [12:40] jussi: only for non-qml [12:40] * apachelogger only adds qml support as gsoc project now :P [12:58] ScottK: oh, another topic for QA ... symbol files for every KDE library in main as to prevent ABI breaks [12:58] apachelogger: All libs in Main are supposed to have them (MIR requirement), so sure. [12:58] I am not sure all ours do :D [12:59] No, I'm sure they don't. [13:00] (no one went back and checked what was already in Main when they added that MIR requirement) [13:00] * apachelogger wonders if some day one of his launchpad wishes will get fixed [13:00] lol [13:07] apachelogger: good luck [13:08] apachelogger: have you tracked what debian does with DebianABIManager from pkg-kde-tools? [13:09] apachelogger: what is "scratch" on gitweb.k.o ? it's like playground ? [13:09] * apachelogger stopped tracking anything pkg-kde-tools as it is legacy in less than 6 months anyway [13:09] bambee: no, it is personal [13:09] ok [13:09] playground is asscoiated with a registered project on projects.kde.org [13:09] I was searching partitionmanager and I found it only under "scratch"... [13:10] scratch repos are asscoiated with lord user [13:10] lol [13:12] bambee: if there is no project on projects.kde.org there is no partitionmanager in git [13:12] (supposedly it would still live in svn [13:12] ) [13:12] aahh [13:12] ;) [13:15] apachelogger today i dreamed about vlc mobile ui [13:15] really :D [13:15] are you still interesting? [13:17] of course ^^ [13:24] leftover wedding cake ftw. [13:27] * jussi offers apachelogger a peice. [14:03] Muon++ [14:04] muon rocks :) [14:07] muonmypants === ksmanis is now known as ksmanis_ === ksmanis_ is now known as ksmanis === ksmanis is now known as ksmanis_ === ksmanis_ is now known as ksmanis__ === ksmanis__ is now known as ksmanis === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [16:19] Hi! How can I make notification for a package it is outdated ? [16:49] valorie: any particular reason you use sudo with your rsync commands ? :D [16:58] shadeslayer: im guessing a lack of permissions on the external drive [16:58] maco: but .... how is that possible? .... unless you chown the whole external drive to root [16:59] shadeslayer: mounted wrong umask [16:59] ah ... possible [17:16] Hey, where is the source for the new filesharing dialog for dolphin (ie http://www.kubuntu.org/files/11.04-release/kubuntu-natty-fileshare1.png) ? [17:18] rbelem: ^^^ [17:19] IIRC it's a patch to kdebase. [17:20] ScottK: do you know where it can be found? [17:20] I think if you look in the kdebase package (apt-get source kdebase on an Ubuntu system running 11.04) it will be in the debian/patches directory, but rbelem will know for sure. [17:22] ScottK: Whats the url where its stored (not currently on a ubuntu computer) [17:23] ScottK: nevermind, i think I found it... Thanks for you help :0 [17:27] James147, did you find? [17:28] rbelem: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/kdebase/4:4.6.2-0ubuntu1 right? havent found the relevent patch in it yet though [18:23] apachelogger: pokety poke [19:14] apachelogger: suppose I write userconfig in cpp , I need to create a lp project or we could add it to another place ? (like guidance or another project I don't know...) [19:18] bambee: Why would you rewrite it? [19:19] ScottK: because apachelogger told him pffft nobody in upstream kde uses python! [19:20] Sigh. [19:20] That's not actually true. [19:21] bambee: If you want to get userconfig accepted upstream as a replacement for kuser, I'd focus on fixing it's bugs, of which there are a few, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/userconfig rather than on reimplementing a working package. [19:21] I think it would be more maintainable, some features like kauth would be used (kauth helper cannot be defined in python for example), also if we want to propose it to upstream it's apparently more appreciated to have it in cpp. Some kcmodules features are actually not available yet in python... [19:22] OK. [19:22] We're talking KDE 4.8 now anyway since we're ~at feature freeze for 4.7. [19:22] well, some people ask me to write in cpp, some other to keep it in python... [19:22] * bambee is a bit confused [19:22] apachelogger: ing [19:23] I'd say you're doing the work. Up to you really. [19:23] It being in python isn't a barrier to upstream acceptance. [19:23] dantti_ almost ported the printer dialogue stuff to C++, but it's still not, AFAIK, finished. [19:24] I think better to get something upstream and port later if it makes sense than wait on the port, but as I said, if you're doing the work, up to you. [19:26] ScottK: yup not finished yet, needing ppl to do it [19:30] ScottK: I am doing the work, but I am opened to suggestions ;) [19:31] bambee: I'd talk to the kdeadmin maintainers and see what they say then. [19:32] Ultimately they are the ones you have to convince. [19:32] ScottK: yup, you're right === m4n1sh_ is now known as m4n1sh [19:51] ScottK: Bernhard Rosenkraenzer is still the maintainer ? his email does not exist anymore o_O [19:51] bambee: No idea. [19:51] Nightrose: Can you help bambee figure out who he should talk to about kdeadmin stuff? [19:52] ScottK: i can try [19:52] what's the problem? [19:52] Thanks. [19:52] bambee: ^^^ [19:52] He wants to discuss having userconfig replace kuser upstream. [19:53] (for KDE 4.8 since we're past feature freeze for 4.7) [19:53] i think kde-devel or even kde-core-devel is the right place for that [19:53] BTW, in other news, I emailed lex79 and asked him to come back and help us survive the absence of our dear leader. [19:53] ok, I am eating, then I will ask on #kde-devel [19:54] bambee: i meant the mailing list but the channel is also a good start [19:54] Anyone interested in koffice? Riddell is the one that mostly works on it, but I TIL in natty, but don't care to do the merge. === m4n1sh_ is now known as m4n1sh [20:20] James147, it is in kdenetwork-filesharing [20:22] ScottK: Right now I'd be happy if I could find somebody to maintain packages for Debian so it can get in to unstable [20:28] bambee, ScottK: we did not suggest a rewrite for the sake of a rewrite, it would just as well get in as python app, there are various concerns such as less stop by contributors [20:28] compared to cpp [20:29] of course cpp has undoubtable quality advantages over python anyway when talking about software that exceeds 1k lines :P [20:29] apachelogger: OK. [20:29] JontheEchidna: How about you. [20:29] I'm not sure if I'll have time to maintain a debian installation [20:29] You should be able to do most work in a debian chroot on your Kubuntu box. [20:30] yeah, maybe a virtual machine wouldn't be too much work [20:30] Even better. [20:34] emit(LionYawn); [20:34] ScottK: I packaged koffice in the past for several times. I f it is not too important to be fast, I can have a look at it this cycle [20:34] so I 'napped' for like 6 hours and am still tired [20:34] horrible [20:34] neversfelde: Great. [20:35] awwwww, all my bugs are rated low [20:35] bug 775497 [20:35] Launchpad bug 775497 in Launchpad itself "Cross-referencing blueprints" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775497 [20:36] how can you consider 6 hours a nap? isnt that sleeping? [20:36] btw where is lex, I missed the reason why he is not active anymore? [20:38] knap time [20:40] jjesse: I was going for a nap [20:40] who'd have known I sleep for 6 hours straight [20:40] neversfelde: Not sure, but I emailed him earlier today. [20:41] It it's not dark outside, it's a nap. [20:41] ok [20:41] It it/If it [20:57] holy crap, kget slows down a system mightily [21:05] sheytan: can we get a better icon for cd shipment http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu [21:05] that looks like a scary mixture of crystal and oxygen [21:05] maco: it is austrian software, what do you expect... :P [21:14] * bambee needs help (see #kde-devel) xD === ximion1 is now known as ximion [21:30] yuriy: ping. I need your approval to propose userconfig to upstream (into kdeadmin) [21:31] In fact, I can propose it myself. Only the upstream dev can [21:31] I cannot * [21:33] ScottK: kuser is unmaintained. good new :) [21:33] maco: Great. [21:33] maco: Sorry. [21:33] Can't type today. [21:33] bambee: Great. [21:38] FYI, my powerz to schedule stuff for UDS are complete, so please ping me if you have specs that need to get accepted/scheduled. [21:39] apachelogger sure, but do you have premissions to update it, or is it a part of the theme, and we need to wait years to update a single icon? [21:40] *shrug* [21:40] * apachelogger is suffering from migrane now [22:59] cool [22:59] our phonon gstreamer package is fishy [22:59] I dont get an icon in the kcm [22:59] whowantstofix? [23:14] debfx: did you merger the pkg-kde-tools yet? [23:14] shadeslayer: did you blog actually or did an exam get in the way? :P [23:15] apachelogger: no, still waiting for the lp team to fix the vcs import [23:15] forever and ever it will take [23:15] * apachelogger transits phonon-backend-gstreamer from cdbs to dh7 [23:20] http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu is outdated -- it refers to free CDs being available [23:23] ohhh [23:23] Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')"] : Permission denied. [23:23] whut? [23:24] dputmypkgyoubstrd [23:24] valorie: did mark stop selling them? [23:24] ah, indeed [23:25] ScottK: ^ should be removed I suppose [23:25] Done [23:25] valorie: Gone. [23:25] apachelogger: That's an LP bug. Feel free to ignore it. [23:26] wgrant: ^^^ Not fixed yet. [23:26] ah, roger [23:27] yay! [23:27] thank you [23:27] No problem. [23:28] do we have someone in charge of the entire website? [23:28] could just search for links to shipit [23:29] We do, sort of. [23:30] ahhh, it failed, I knew it ^^ [23:30] Several of us have edit access though, so feel free to let me know about other places that need fixing up. [23:30] Ok [23:31] FTR: I do not :P