[00:09] hello === Keshl_ is now known as Keshl [00:10] I have a usb key that I simply cant format, partition nor dd low level format, Im not sure where I can get help with this, [00:10] this key was my usb installation key, created with some software that burned the ubuntu distro onto it. [00:10] is it normal for these things to lock up completely? [00:14] Are you booted off of the USB key while you're trying to format it? I've made that mistake before <.< === william is now known as Guest58229 [00:36] Keshl: hi, no not booted of it. [00:36] Keshl: Im trying to do this both on my installed Ubuntu and Windows Vista [00:37] Keshl: neither one helps [00:37] Not sure what to tell you then, sounds like a hardware issue to me, but I'm not as experienced as most people here are. [00:37] Keshl: I think I used Linux Live USB Creator [00:38] It doens't matter what you used, sometimes stuff just brakes. It's a fact of life. [00:38] Keshl: right, feels a bit like the key is smart in some way, all the data is still there, just I cant touch it [00:38] What does it say when you try to access it? (use Pastebin!) [00:38] Keshl: there is no problem accessing it [00:38] ...? [00:39] But you just said you can't touch the data there.. [00:39] How can you touch it but not touch it? [00:39] Keshl: the message is always very simple when using whatever tool: [00:39] Keshl: I mean I can access the data, but cant touch it, change it format... [00:40] Did you accidently turn on write-protect? [00:40] Sometimes, some USB devices have a switch that keeps data from being written to them. [00:40] Keshl: dd, cfdisk, fdisk, all report simply, opening `/dev/sdb': Read-only file system [00:41] e/hroi# fdisk /dev/sdb1 You will not be able to write the partition table. [00:41] Keshl: I have check this thing, and the manual, no write protection switch [00:42] Keshl: its a Lacie MosKeyto === chris_ is now known as Guest17516 [00:42] USB key [00:42] Okay.. It's not a "smart" device, but it *is* very tiny. [00:43] I've had problems using small storage devices like this before, they do tend to brake at random. I'm pretty certain it just happened to die when you used the Live USB creator program. [00:43] Keshl: http://www.lacie.com/download/datasheet/DS_MosKeyto.pdf [00:43] But, don't just take my word for it, get someone else's oppinion, please. [00:44] Keshl: right, I have never had a broken USB before, so I thought it was pretty uncommon, -- furthermore, cant see what the Live USB software does that is different than other copy and formatting routines do [00:45] It doesn't do anything different, really. [00:45] But you're using a *very* small memory module. [00:45] Electrons are firing close to each other, much closer than usual. [00:45] Keshl: right, [00:45] There's more chance for stuff to go wrong. [00:45] Like a short circuit or something. === mren is now known as mren|off === Keshl_ is now known as Keshl [01:08] is ANYBODY else having problems with dbus-deamon running the CPU 30%+? [02:17] hello [02:18] any ideas on how to enable wifi at bootup without having to login as a kde user everytime? [02:19] does anyone know how to choose a specific version of a package from a PPA? [02:19] do the apt-get version flags work with PPAs? [02:19] rahul_, just curios how do you log in? [02:19] genfool, currently i have to be present physically at the computer to login [02:20] genfool: otherwise the wifi doesnt come online [02:20] genfool: it is linked to kde-wallet [02:22] guys did kubuntu get any major changes? [02:22] Besides the number '11.04' getting slapped onto the disk? [02:23] genfool: i dont have a lan cable hooked up, so launching the wireless before kde is the only way to get access [02:23] genfool: remotely. [02:24] Aerosonic: ummm... yes... kde version is now 4.6 for one... [02:26] Aerosonic: liberoffice replaces open office and others: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.04-release [02:28] James147: Ooh nice, how's 4.6 GUI-wise? Does it have new bells and whistles? [02:29] its more polished then the last.... like all kde versions... has better support for activities... umm... cant really remember anything else, its been so long since I have used 4.5 :) [02:30] flash 64 just crashed my kernel! [02:30] Hm did 10.10 have 4.6? [02:30] rahul_: yes thats possible... well at least NetworkManager supports it :) [02:31] James147: how to enable that? [02:31] rahul_: not that easily :S [02:31] James147: ok. whats the difficult way? [02:31] okay dok [02:31] * James147 waiting for his vm to boot to test some things ... :) [02:32] rahul_: /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections ^^ should be a location of intrest [02:35] James147: its blank folder [02:35] rahul_: and ~/.kde/share/apps/networkmanagment/connections [02:35] rahul_: thats because you dont have a system connection :) [02:36] James147: so shd just copy the user connections to /etc-location? [02:37] rahul_: i dont know ^^ never done it before... but just before you asked your question my networkmanager seemed to decied to forget all my connections and decided to only use system ones :) [02:37] rahul_: it craeted a config similar to the ones i found at the second location in the first location :) [02:38] rahul_: other then that I dont really know much more :) [02:38] except that I do have a connection when i dont log in [02:39] James147: how did u manage to create a system connection? are u using natty? [02:39] indeed new kubuntu is more polished [02:39] and Aerosonic 10.10 has 4.6 in its backports... unless oyu neabled them you had 4.5 [02:40] rahul_: using arch linux... my networkmanager just updated and decided to only use system connections... still trying to figure out what happened [02:40] But I see again that fucking flaw that bothered me since the dawn of 9.* [02:40] No support for Radeon cards [02:40] rahul_: though I think networkmanager has had the ability to use system connections... jsut no gui for it [02:40] When I boot it crashes with 0x0009 [02:40] And my integrated intep chip is not exactly what I'd like [02:41] Aerosonic: using the open of closed drivers? [02:41] On both. [02:41] weird... ati has been supported for ages [02:41] which card? [02:41] What really bothers me is that it crashes on first boot [02:42] Thinkpad T500 ATI HD 3650 [02:46] James147^ [02:46] Aerosonic: cant find anything to suggest there is a problem with that card or laptop :( [02:48] What really bothres me is the fact tha tit's not working out of the box [02:48] i don't have a special hardware [02:48] rahul_: this might be of intrest: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NetworkManager#Automatically_connect_on_boot though it is for arch so might vary [02:48] Or neither do i have some weird conceptual brand [02:49] like my Kohjinsha DZ, which also works like shit with kubuntu [02:49] James147: i dont understand how kubuntu users are dealing with this. who has a hardwire ethernet in their pc these days [02:49] It's just a raw thinkpad [02:49] rahul_: i do ^^ [02:49] rahul_: and most dont need to connect to a computer that isnt loged in [02:50] James147: i need mine for server purposes and accessing remotely. perhaps i m unique in this regard [02:50] rahul_: or even have another computer [02:50] rahul_: i use a server to... but i would hate to have it on the wireless [02:51] rahul_: then again... mine is a headless box plugedin next to our router :) [02:57] Hello. Is ANYBODY else having problems with dbus-deamon running the CPU 30%+? [03:19] hello [03:21] my ubuntu software repository seems to be broken, [03:22] Im trying simply to install a the "apt-get install #openoffice.org-java-common" [03:22] but get a bunch of non-sensical messages, such as Err http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-security/main openjdk-6-jre i386 6b20-1.9.2-0ubuntu2 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.166 80] [03:23] every package required for this install cant be found in the main ubuntu repository, just doesnt make sense [03:24] apt-get finally reports this: E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? [03:24] now, is it safe for me to try these things? which one is better, --fix-missing? [03:27] I shot blindly at apt-get update, and it seems to have done something. [03:27] not getting the same errors. [03:28] hroi: apt-get update is safe and recomended to be run before trying to insall stuff (it refreshes the packages lists so that apt-get knows whtas availble) [03:28] hroi: yeah, sounds like the packages lists where outof date so apt-get couldnt find the older versions [03:36] dumb question but how to I turn off the disappearing slider feature for gtk apps? [03:38] James147: well, things installed without apt-get reporting error, however, now soffice, ooimpress or anythong doesnt open up, like executing acommand without effect. [03:38] James147: jeez, this is a problem, [03:38] Grrr system beep isn't working [03:41] James147: if ubuntu is going to mess this up, might I be able to run a package from the openoffice website itself? [03:43] I worry about this message "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place" [03:43] hroi: when happens if you try to run them in a termial... [03:43] James147: yes, I have only been running them from terminal [03:43] and what do they output? [03:43] is "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place" a good or bad message after the update from apt-get [03:44] hroi: its a good message [03:44] James147: thats the thing, they dont output anything at all [03:44] James147: just hang, sitting there not returning anything [03:44] anyone know why I can't turn on the system bell, and how to get sliders visible in gtk2 apps? [03:45] James147: I type soffice and return, then soffice takes my console and does nothing, now for 5 minutes [03:45] hroi: you could try to reinstall [03:46] James147: yes, sounds good, is there an easy command for reinstalling all openoffice stuff? [03:47] hroi: apt-get install --reinstall [03:47] James147: I ctrl-c the execution, now "ps" returns this 6517 pts/2 00:00:00 oosplash.bin [03:47] James147: oosplash is just sitting there, [03:47] James147: the problem is ooffice is a lot of packages [03:49] is there a program i can use to password protect 7zip files? [03:50] something with a gui preferably. ? [03:52] hey guys. [03:53] i could use some help with kubuntu [03:53] anyone there? [03:54] i guess not [03:54] ? [03:54] ? [03:54] such as? [03:56] hey guys i just installed kubuntu 11.04 but i cannot connect to my wifi [03:57] i think its because i have the Broadcom BCM4311 Network controlloer [03:57] [14e4:4311] (rev01) nay help as to what i need to do? [03:59] !broadcom [03:59] Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [04:04] sigh, idk what they did, but last month i didnt have to do this with ubuntu/kubuntu.. the card just worked.. now with 11.04 it doesnt work without a hole bunch of trouble shooting.. ill fix this tomorrow.. [04:04] by [04:04] bye now =p [04:14] hello [04:15] why does my openoffice /usr/bin/soffice point at nothing, ls -l /usr/bin/soffice lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 2010-11-18 00:55 /usr/bin/soffice -> ../lib/openoffice/program/soffice [04:15] } [04:15] ? [04:16] sorry , [04:16] it does point at something, [04:17] im just confused why nothing happens when soffice executes, looks like some sort of script [04:24] Ok, I have googled, and it seems that mutter is not very compatible with soffice on my computer [04:24] I dont even know what mutter is, but I miss the old gnome interface [04:27] man this is really confusing, I have a funny window manager, but still claims to be gnome, [04:27] but looks nothing like the gnome desktop. [04:27] blut its slow [04:27] anybody have an idea what my problem is. [04:27] How do I disable the disappering reapperaring slider in gtk [04:30] something chaged pan and other gtk2 apps you have to hold your mouse and hover to make the slider appear now how do I fix it to the way it was [04:32] how can i set the timeout for "Monitor for silence" in Konsole? [04:34] how do I turn to try ubuntu mode.??? I need to try the other NORMAL gnome desktop [04:36] hroi: ask in #ubuntu [05:41] uperruando === william is now known as Guest36262 === tales_ is now known as deusr === zz_eagles0513875 is now known as eagles0513875 [07:02] good morning [07:02] how to disable automatic application restart on crash? [07:07] noaXess: most applications don't restart on crasg [07:07] crashh [07:23] how can i reconfigure video driver? [07:24] kaiyin: which driver? [07:24] !video | kaiyin [07:24] kaiyin: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [07:24] video card [07:25] hey Daskreech [07:25] hi valorie [07:26] just home from Linuxfest Northwest [07:26] really good conf [07:26] trying to get my 11.04 wrinkles ironed out [07:27] have you seen any reports of flash not working in youtube/firefox? === coaboa|afk is now known as coaboa [07:29] hey Daskreech you mean that is a application option? [07:30] noaXess: In essence yes [07:30] Daskreech: ok... hm.. [07:30] I can only think of two that do it off the top of my head [07:30] Daskreech: two apps that restart on crash? [07:32] noaXess: Yes [07:36] other problem.. upgraded yesterday to 11.04.. and still have one problem on starting kubuntu..... sound is off.. sound level is on 8%.. i have to mute/unmute and set sound level to my preffered one.. any idea how to fix that? [07:38] Huh? [07:38] Did you switch the main channel of sound? [07:39] Daskreech: hm... i think :).. i have playback devices and the main channel is internal audio/analog stereo [07:40] master channel is internal audio === zuke is now known as jagan185 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [08:06] does anyone use thunar here? [08:17] kaiyin: unlikely - try #xubuntu [08:18] I use occasionally, but without knowing the next question... [08:19] since I upgraded to 11.04, my headphone jack doesn't work [08:19] Tm_T, I created some items in its context menu of thunar, but don't know how to remove them. [08:19] is this known? [08:20] kaiyin: no idea (: [08:21] http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/02/plasma-desktopSV2515.jpg [08:22] hmmm, that's not what I wanted as an image [08:24] http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/02/plasma-desktopSV2515.jpg [08:24] that worked [08:25] valorie: pavucontrol ;) [08:26] jussi, I have pavucontrol too, but have no idea how to check where my headphone jack might be [08:27] or mic, for that matter [08:27] still have not gotten the mic to work [08:28] playback, recording, output devices, input devices, configuration tab? [08:28] none seems to have anything to do with what I need [08:31] output devices? [08:39] http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/02/plasma-desktopyi2515.jpg [08:39] I see it now, thanks [08:41] once vlc is done building, I'll try it and see if selecting that makes any difference [08:41] didn't move the volume slider though..... [08:51] hi. i need help with my wifi driver... broadcom chip on natty. [08:52] [08:52] [08:52] [08:52] valorie: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [08:52] anyone help me....;; [08:53] !broadcom | minsik_ [08:53] minsik_: Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [08:54] i've tried STA, ndlswrapper, and it both doesn't work... [08:54] no clue what happened up there [08:55] ubottu: nothing worked for me.... [08:55] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [08:56] minsik_: did you try running jockey-kde? [08:56] valorie: nope... [08:57] in the console, or just krunner [08:58] valorie: do you mean the 'additional drivers'? [08:58] yes [08:58] valorie: yes i've tried it. [09:05] valorie: is there other ways? [09:19] i cannot play blue ray properly anyone know why? [09:20] !bluray | piroman [09:20] piroman: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [09:24] Hello [09:25] When trying to link project with liboxygenstyle.so using cmake rule target_link_libraries(oxygenstyle), it fail with cannot find -loxygenstyle... [09:25] ln -s /usr/lib/liboxygenstyle.so.4 /usr/lib/liboxygenstyle.so [09:25] For what module do i need to report a bug ? Cmake, kdeworkspace ? === CompLab__ is now known as CompLab === CompLab is now known as NaBoo === CompLab is now known as NaBoo === daniel3__ is now known as daniel3 === fishwithapipe is now known as f|shy [11:28] anyone has problems with skipping audio when cpu is in high load ? Using pulse [11:33] Fleck: pulse is alwasy problematic [11:33] alternatives? [11:37] Fleck: you could try to remove pulse if you don't need [11:38] Fleck: note if you remove pulse google talks could get some weird behavior [11:38] i don't have hwmix on my sound card [11:38] yeah i can imagine :D [11:38] well i removed pulse [11:38] because i don't need [11:38] i use alsa only [11:39] Fleck: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/audio-problem-with-kubuntu-10-10/ [11:39] cool, but you can't record 2 things at the same time [11:39] as dmix is only for output [11:39] Fleck: you could install veromix too [11:39] veromix is a plasma widget [11:39] that handles better pulse ... [11:40] ok ill try that, thx :) [11:40] you can click on the desktop add widget , download widget , search for veromix [11:40] it will be installed wihtout problem [11:40] ill read some info before :) thx [11:41] Fleck: there is no need to be worried about [11:41] anyway i have to log out to boost kde [11:41] Veromix - volume control / soundmenu ? [12:03] I'm trying to prevent left click from running executables in Dolphin. Changing File Associations doesn't help. Nor does the "Left Click Action" for Konqueror. Not even in Konqueror itself! Any ideas how I could fix this? [12:05] delac: open up dolphin, go to 'settings' find 'navigation' then make it 'double-click to open folders and files' [12:06] delac: *That is, settings -> configure Dolphin -> Navigation [12:06] Linkmaster: that doesn't prevent the executables from running, just makes harder to click them (and everything else too) [12:09] delac: I'm not sure what to do to help then [12:10] Linkmaster: np, noone else seems to know either [12:11] delac: I've always thought that you either single or double click to open things, and that it was a PC thing for the left click to open them and whatnot [12:15] Linkmaster: Yes, it's the windows way od handling things. It works nicely on non-executable files, but with executables, it becomes bit dangerous. Most of the scripts that are lying around don't do anything immediately visible, so the user won't even know he just ran something that possibly altered things. [12:17] delac: True, though I wasn't talking about Windows in particular. PC means Linux/Windows..thats true, though I err on the side of caution concerning unknown file times; I *right* click first to see what type of file it is, and then open it up with kate to see what it does [12:19] Linkmaster: if I just could learn that, but Nautilus has lulled me into false sense of security :) [12:19] delac: Thats why I don't use Nautilus :P [12:21] Linkmaster: my opinion is that the Nautilus way of doing things should be the default. It's more secure for noobs and even experts won't be hampered much as there is very little cases where you need to run executables from file manager. [12:23] delac: That is a valid point, though I like the speed of Dolphin. I can 'click-click-click' and have navigated through three folders, and can easily open up whatever files I find useful. [12:25] Linkmaster: you can open files and folders with single click in Nautilus too, so it's not any slower either [12:29] delac: I never found that option then Dx though I'm not sure if Kubuntu is exactly the "noob" person operating system persay. It can be used for noobs, though I would personally but a newer person to linux on X/Ubuntu, perhaps Mint. Just an opinion though === fishwithapipe is now known as f|shy [13:07] hi guys [13:09] after firefox4, kubuntu doesnt play flash anymore, it tells me the flash i have is outdated... i need help.. any valid latest "tutorial" to update, reinstall flash for firefox 4? [13:15] new: kpackagekit [13:15] new: remove all flash stuff you can find [13:16] Peace- and then what? [13:17] howdy everybody [13:17] question: [13:17] hi [13:18] what's the best way to check disk size and usage on kubuntu? [13:18] partition sizes, etc [13:18] new: then reinstall flash [13:19] new: flashplugin-nonfree [13:19] Rocketman: system requires , 10-15 gg for / [13:19] Rocketman: i use 15 [13:19] Rocketman: then i have 1.5 gg of swap , to do the suspend ... [13:20] ok [13:20] Rocketman: if you have more ram you need more swap or suspend could not work properly [13:20] ram = swap [13:20] size [13:21] I mean-- is there an app I can use to see my hard disk-- how big it is, how much of it I'm using [13:21] Rocketman: partitionmanager [13:21] oic [13:21] :) [13:22] Rocketman: then... [13:23] Rocketman: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/02/plasma13.jpeg [13:29] would incredibly large fonts have something to do with some netbook-look settings or something? [13:29] i can't tell where i got those [13:30] the flash still doesnt work.. did exactly the same.. then i unninstalled the flash and all firefox.. then installed firefox 3.5 and then flashplugin-nonfree and i opened firefox its 4.0 instead of 3.5.. :( [13:30] new: i have firefox4 [13:30] flash works here [13:36] kpacageget shows only flashplugin-nonfree and flashplugin-installer.. however kpackagekit shows firefox-dev firefox firefox-3.5-dev and firefox-globalmenu p.s. flash doesnt work with any browser.. still need help :( [13:42] how to handle remote ssh locations with dolphin? i'd like to for example watch video files with some cache, but not dolphin cache... [13:43] go to "Network" under "Places" and add a ssh location, the video player is what sets whatever caching it wants [14:03] tsimpson: yes, but say 'open with vlc' will start to cache entire file by kde/dolphin ... === eagles0513875 is now known as zz_eagles0513875 [14:04] that's because dolphin doesn't really "mount" the remote server, it uses something called "kio" [14:05] if you want it to work with any random application, try sshfs [14:05] tsimpson: ok, thank you === CompLab is now known as NaBoo [14:10] How do i get sound volume louder than 100 on KDE4 as i could in gnome with pulseaudio controller? [14:12] guys how to update opensource randon drivers on kubuntu 11.04 from 7.10x to recent 7.11x [14:19] is there any command to update flash? [14:25] new: you don't need of upgrade flash [14:26] new: you need to purge the mess you did install firefox and flash correctly [14:27] new: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/02/plasma-desktopJD2240.jpg [14:29] i dont want any mess, one day firefox4 appeared and the mess afterwards.. :D [14:30] that is firefox4 [14:30] on my desktop [14:31] i know my firefox shows in addons.. shockwave flash 9.0 r999.. and i installed only flashplugin-nonfree [14:32] new: please remove all the flash stuff from your firefox [14:32] 'Morning folks [14:32] BluesKaj: hi [14:32] hey Peace- [14:33] hey.. [14:33] BluesKaj: the man here new has some problem with flash , i think he installed a lots of flash stuff [14:34] instead of only lfashplugin-nonfree [14:34] i havent installed anything.. how can i pastebin the information u might want to check ? [14:35] new , install flashplugin-installer [14:36] new at www.pastebin.com or... [14:36] !pastebin [14:36] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [14:36] new: or .. http://blip.tv/file/4876138 [14:36] :D [14:37] new: well you have not flash so... http://blip.tv/file/4876138?filename=Nowardev-PostareUnoScreenshotVelocementeConKde4210.ogv [14:37] new but try to install flashplugin-installer first [14:37] click here to download the plugin.. in blip.tv after i installed only flashplugin-nonfree [14:37] new: ok follow BluesKaj [14:39] synaptic installs flashplugin-installed along with flashplugin-nonfree automatically.. so i havent tried anything new [14:40] new , which browser(s) are you using ? [14:41] fox4 [14:41] kubuntu doesnt even allow me to use old fox.. [14:42] new, so did you use synaptic to install the falshplugin-installer just now? [14:43] no.. tried same thing with kpackagekit also.. [14:43] was already installed ? [14:43] ofc [14:43] ofc? [14:43] of course. [14:44] new, ok , kubuntu-restricted-extras too? , I have to ask . [14:47] dude.. i was swearing like 2mins... why..and how this program wasnt already installed.. [14:47] totally helped me..thanks.. === bruno is now known as Guest69884 [14:47] i have no idea how it was/become uninstalled.. im certain it was installed many months ago.. [14:47] phew what a relief.. [14:48] every new OS needs kubuntu-restricted-extras to be reinstalled [14:48] heh new OS [14:49] i know, i just never checked since my flash was working fine before.. it stoped working in coincidence with new firefox4.. [14:49] thnx.. have a good day.. [14:49] the soureces.list must also be reset to it's previous state but with the new OS package versions === CompLab is now known as NaBoo === oscar_ is now known as Guest85751 === |GuS| is now known as [GuS] [14:54] is it possible to upgrade kubuntu 10.04-lucid lynx to 11.04 ? [14:56] crashev,only if you upgrade to 10.10 first then to 11.04 , or you can clean install [14:57] Right now I would like to upgrade 10.04-lts to 11.04 so first step should be upgrade to 10.10 You say, why it is not possible to upgrade LTS version directly ? [14:58] crashev: you cqan only upgrade to the next version... or from ne LTS to another LTS... 11.04 is not lts [14:59] next LTS will probly be 12.04 [14:59] LTSes are every 2 years. [14:59] yup [15:01] every time i open a file in midnight commander (inside xterm), i.e. reading a pdf file with evince, the application would feedback some info into xterm, and clobber the mc interface. Has anyone ever exprienced this? [15:02] Very annoying. Otherwise i might make mc my main file manager. [15:05] kaiyin, it's a gnome app , there seem to be probs with gnome app updates these days [15:05] isn't that just the stderr output? [15:06] ok, I installed kubuntu on my laptop, but the login screen doesn't let you select the names from a list, any way to change that? I have various young users on this box, that are used to picking their name off a list. [15:06] BluesKaj, someone from the debian channel says debian does not have this problem. [15:06] yofel, yeah. [15:06] hm.. [15:07] And he suggests that i could redirect the stderr to /dev/null. [15:08] shane4ubuntu: that depend on the KDM theme, default oxygen has a list IIRC (system settings -> login screen -> theme) [15:08] But he wouldn't tell me how, because i was in the wrong channel, :-), I love both ubuntu and debian, really. but a rule is a rule, i am silence for 10 min there. [15:08] if you want to install new themes you need to run it as 'kdesudo kcmshell4 kdm' or it won't work [15:09] yofel: ok, thanks a bundle, I love that kind of simplicity in kde! [15:09] silenced. [15:09] but oxygen is there by default [15:09] yofel, do you know to do that, redirect stderr to /dev/null? [15:09] hm, on command that would be '... 2>/dev/null' [15:10] yofel: actually, I think I just figured out how to show the users in the current theme in the same area, thanks ! [15:10] shane4ubuntu: how? [15:10] i usually just double click the file in mc, is there a way to configure this systematically so that all stderr in the terminal should be redirected to /dev/null? [15:10] isn't there a KDE- MC equivalent ? [15:11] yofel: same area, on the users tab, I checkmarked the users I wanted to be shown on the list. [15:11] yofel: I haven't tested it yet, but am pretty sure that should do it. [15:11] good luck ^^ [15:12] the "Show List" is check marked too, but no users were selected, so that should do it. [15:12] brb [15:13]