[02:03] TheMuso: do you use brltty? [02:04] I was wondering if there's a better page we should point people to, for bug 651707 [02:04] Launchpad bug 651707 in ubuntu-docs "brltty refers to http://access.ubuntu.com/braille but that doesn't exist" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651707 [02:05] I don' [02:06] I don't use it, but am aware of the problem, however don't know of a page that has the required info. [02:06] ok thanks [02:07] np [02:46] anyone here super familiar with orca? [03:03] Cheri703: sorry, I'm not but you could maybe try the new orca help [03:03] ok, well, I have someone in my loco whose wife tried ubuntu a few years ago, and said orca wasn't good enough, but they haven't tried it lately. he's going to talk to her and see if she's up for trying again [03:06] my opinion is that it's still a bit of a pain to get going but more or less does work [03:31] Cheri703: If you could give me more info on how it wasn't good enough, I may be able to help, or at least point you/them in the right direction. [03:31] kk, I will talk to him further and ask for more info, thanks [03:33] Ok thanks. === API is now known as apinheiro [14:19] hi [14:19] how is unity 3d doing when it comes to keyboard navigation? [14:19] and 2d? === API is now known as apinheiro [14:36] Cheri703: orca is quite good, but there is a significant learning curve to it [14:37] fregl: there are keyboard shortcuts, not sure how well harmonised they are between the two [14:38] fregl: unity 2d is going to be less readable to Orca for a while, however if you want to type into the unity window with onboard that works now in 2d but not 3d [14:39] AlanBell: I work on the Qt side of things, so I know about the general issues in 2d, I am mostly wondering if there is a concept of focus for example in unity in general [14:43] http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts [14:44] so yes, basically [14:44] I will try it in unity-2d later [14:44] lenses and other stuff written for unity-3d work unmodified on unity-2d which is nice [15:12] thanks [16:34] charlie-tca: did that blueprint ever get done? [16:45] no [16:45] I got to do it [16:47] need help?# [16:47] today would be a good day to get it done and approved [16:49] yes, need help. Never done one [16:50] Community a11y blueprint [16:51] is what we are working on right? [16:51] right [16:52] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o/+addspec [16:52] so that is the form you need to fill out [16:53] the project is ubuntu [16:53] name would be community-o-accessibility-team [16:54] Title something like "Discussion of the goals of the accessibility team in the Oniric cycle" [16:55] you get to be the drafter, set jono as the approver [16:55] stick a few words in the summary [16:55] Thank you [16:56] detail doesn't matter much at this point, it can be edited [16:56] the thing just needs to exist so jono can approve it and get it scheduled [17:04] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-accessibility-team [17:05] I am sure the awesome jono will approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-accessibility-team in a matter of minutes [17:06] I'm thinking the etherpad from the meeting has most of the stuff in it [17:16] then I forgot to subscribe me [20:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/Roadmaps [20:30] thanks AlanBell