[02:03] <jbicha> TheMuso: do you use brltty?
[02:04] <jbicha> I was wondering if there's a better page we should point people to, for bug 651707
[02:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 651707 in ubuntu-docs "brltty refers to http://access.ubuntu.com/braille but that doesn't exist" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651707
[02:05] <TheMuso> I don'
[02:06] <TheMuso> I don't use it, but am aware of the problem, however don't know of a page that has the required info.
[02:06] <jbicha> ok thanks
[02:07] <TheMuso> np
[02:46] <Cheri703> anyone here super familiar with orca?
[03:03] <jbicha> Cheri703: sorry, I'm not but you could maybe try the new orca help
[03:03] <Cheri703> ok, well, I have someone in my loco whose wife tried ubuntu a few years ago, and said orca wasn't good enough, but they haven't tried it lately. he's going to talk to her and see if she's up for trying again
[03:06] <jbicha> my opinion is that it's still a bit of a pain to get going but more or less does work
[03:31] <TheMuso> Cheri703: If you could give me more info on how it wasn't good enough, I may be able to help, or at least point you/them in the right direction.
[03:31] <Cheri703> kk, I will talk to him further and ask for more info, thanks
[03:33] <TheMuso> Ok thanks.
[14:19] <fregl> hi
[14:19] <fregl> how is unity 3d doing when it comes to keyboard navigation?
[14:19] <fregl> and 2d?
[14:36] <AlanBell> Cheri703: orca is quite good, but there is a significant learning curve to it
[14:37] <AlanBell> fregl: there are keyboard shortcuts, not sure how well harmonised they are between the two
[14:38] <AlanBell> fregl: unity 2d is going to be less readable to Orca for a while, however if you want to type into the unity window with onboard that works now in 2d but not 3d
[14:39] <fregl> AlanBell: I work on the Qt side of things, so I know about the general issues in 2d, I am mostly wondering if there is a concept of focus for example in unity in general
[14:43] <AlanBell> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts
[14:44] <AlanBell> so yes, basically
[14:44] <AlanBell> I will try it in unity-2d later
[14:44] <AlanBell> lenses and other stuff written for unity-3d work unmodified on unity-2d which is nice
[15:12] <fregl> thanks
[16:34] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: did that blueprint ever get done?
[16:45] <charlie-tca> no
[16:45] <charlie-tca> I got to do it
[16:47] <AlanBell> need help?#
[16:47] <AlanBell> today would be a good day to get it done and approved
[16:49] <charlie-tca> yes, need help. Never done one
[16:50] <AlanBell> Community a11y blueprint
[16:51] <AlanBell> is what we are working on right?
[16:51] <charlie-tca> right
[16:52] <AlanBell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o/+addspec
[16:52] <AlanBell> so that is the form you need to fill out
[16:53] <AlanBell> the project is ubuntu
[16:53] <AlanBell> name would be community-o-accessibility-team
[16:54] <AlanBell> Title something like "Discussion of the goals of the accessibility team in the Oniric cycle"
[16:55] <AlanBell> you get to be the drafter, set jono as the approver
[16:55] <AlanBell> stick a few words in the summary
[16:55] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[16:56] <AlanBell> detail doesn't matter much at this point, it can be edited
[16:56] <AlanBell> the thing just needs to exist so jono can approve it and get it scheduled
[17:04] <charlie-tca> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-accessibility-team
[17:05] <AlanBell> I am sure the awesome jono will approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-accessibility-team in a matter of minutes
[17:06] <charlie-tca> I'm thinking the etherpad from the meeting has most of the stuff in it
[17:16] <charlie-tca> then I forgot to subscribe me
[20:05] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/Roadmaps
[20:30] <UndiFineD> thanks AlanBell