| jussi | :D :D | 07:49 |
|---|---|---|
| dholbach | good morning | 08:18 |
| jussi | good morning dholbach! Isnt it a wonderful morning? :D | 08:18 |
| dholbach | hi jussi | 08:19 |
| dholbach | yes, life's good :) | 08:19 |
| === kim0|vacation is now known as kim0 | ||
| * kim0 makes an appearance | 09:02 | |
| kim0 | Morning everyone :) | 09:02 |
| Pendulum | hiya kim0 | 09:04 |
| kim0 | Pendulum: howdy o | 09:04 |
| kim0 | oh o/ | 09:04 |
| kim0 | missed everyone around here | 09:04 |
| kim0 | dholbach, jussi, morning :) | 09:05 |
| dholbach | hi kim0 | 09:05 |
| kim0 | hey | 09:05 |
| dholbach | after the recent events, maybe I can take shampoo back into my carry-on luggage on Wednesday again? | 09:06 |
| Pendulum | dholbach: i doubt it | 09:07 |
| dholbach | Pendulum, me too | 09:07 |
| Pendulum | tbh, I bet terror watch alerts go up the next week or so | 09:07 |
| dholbach | yes | 09:07 |
| * Pendulum is glad she managed to travel before stuff happened | 09:08 | |
| * Pendulum is also glad she isn't in the US to get upset with the people partying in the streets | 09:08 | |
| dholbach | and they're always a good excuse for interior ministers around the world to "enhance" laws | 09:08 |
| Pendulum | yes | 09:08 |
| AlanBell | Pendulum: you will be wanting the wedding coverage back on TV now | 09:09 |
| jussi | Morning kim0 | 09:32 |
| kim0 | hey :) | 09:33 |
| nigelb | Morning | 09:35 |
| nigelb | So I finally submited my visa application today. | 09:36 |
| nigelb | I'm still not sure when I'll get it back. I have to call the consulate general and beg today :\ | 09:36 |
| Daviey | :o | 09:37 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 09:42 |
| czajkowski | Daviey: poke | 09:43 |
| Daviey | czajkowski: o/ | 09:47 |
| cjohnston | mornin | 09:50 |
| huats | morning | 09:54 |
| === daker_ is now known as daker | ||
| duanedesign | morning all | 11:44 |
| duanedesign | nigelb: you think they would know by now. 'its been 6 months time to get nigel's visa ready' :) | 11:45 |
| duanedesign | popey: ping | 11:46 |
| nigelb | duanedesign: heh | 11:47 |
| duanedesign | popey: unping :) I found it | 11:57 |
| popey | :) | 12:08 |
| popey | I consider myself unpung | 12:08 |
| czajkowski | popey: did you ever have any luck with the mini? | 12:08 |
| * popey looks at it sat on his desk | 12:09 | |
| * popey notes the reminder | 12:09 | |
| popey | sorry | 12:09 |
| czajkowski | nah bother | 12:10 |
| popey | you sure you dont want 11.04 on it? | 12:10 |
| czajkowski | popey: if you cna get it working on it I don't mind | 12:10 |
| czajkowski | ;) | 12:10 |
| popey | win | 12:10 |
| popey | czajkowski: is there any data on this thing? | 12:14 |
| czajkowski | nope | 12:14 |
| popey | it is rather cute | 12:15 |
| popey | looks tiny compared to all the other stuff on my desk | 12:15 |
| czajkowski | it is :) | 12:15 |
| * czajkowski misses Gorgamon | 12:15 | |
| popey | will that be the hostname? | 12:15 |
| czajkowski | I think one of the usb ports is dead | 12:15 |
| czajkowski | aye | 12:15 |
| popey | ok | 12:15 |
| popey | noted | 12:15 |
| popey | oo 2GB RAM, sweet | 12:17 |
| popey | is that an SSD or spinny disk? | 12:17 |
| czajkowski | hmmm | 12:18 |
| czajkowski | off hsnd cannot remember | 12:18 |
| czajkowski | i know spec had ssd in ot | 12:18 |
| popey | wow, torrent flying | 12:20 |
| czajkowski | :D | 12:20 |
| popey | 60 peers, 2.13MB.s | 12:22 |
| akgraner | HI all can you all let folks know by denting tweeting etc that Ubuntu Open Week Starts today. http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/05/02/ubuntu-open-week-may-2-6-2011/ | 12:34 |
| popey | czajkowski: all the usb ports work fine | 12:36 |
| kim0 | done https://twitter.com/#!/ak_kim0/status/65016905936801792 | 12:37 |
| popey | done | 12:37 |
| czajkowski | popey: oh | 12:37 |
| akgraner | kim0 thanks! | 12:37 |
| popey | just tested with the mouse dongle | 12:37 |
| czajkowski | popey: ohhh :D | 12:40 |
| czajkowski | I may have a skype working machine again :D | 12:40 |
| popey | akgraner: pimped to ubuntu-users and my loco team | 12:46 |
| akgraner | popey, thanks! | 12:47 |
| akgraner | hey whomever can help jcastro and I today for open week would be great. I have a couple more things that have to be done today, nigelb is busy and so are most of the other classroom folks (bad timing with life stuff all the way around) | 12:48 |
| mhall119 | morning | 12:55 |
| === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch | ||
| akgraner | jcastro, ping | 15:00 |
| akgraner | you ready to kick off Ubuntu Open Week? | 15:01 |
| cjohnston | jcastro/ Daviey , is there anything else that needs to be done to summit to have it ready? | 15:18 |
| jcastro | I think we're all set | 15:23 |
| cjohnston | cool | 15:35 |
| czajkowski | my new motto | 15:36 |
| czajkowski | "There's no sense crying over every mistake; you just keep on trying until you run out of cake." | 15:36 |
| Pici | Just play portal? | 15:41 |
| czajkowski | nope :) | 15:41 |
| czajkowski | bf does that i listen to it | 15:41 |
| Pici | Ah. Tis a good song. | 15:41 |
| czajkowski | I like random comments from it | 15:43 |
| vish | Pici: http://twitter.com/#!/OldFunnyJoker/status/65007092209168385 ;p | 15:43 |
| jcastro | james_w`: around? | 16:05 |
| jcastro | james_w`: I tried adding scottk - "kitterman" in summit to give him the ability to schedule kubuntu sessions | 16:06 |
| jcastro | he's in the right lp group as he can see all the right stuff in launchpad | 16:06 |
| jcastro | but he doesn't see "Edit" on his grid | 16:06 |
| dholbach | hey jono | 16:06 |
| jono | hey dholbach | 16:06 |
| jcastro | jono: Can I delay our call by like 10 minutes today? I finish off a session right at 2 and I need a bit to prepare | 16:07 |
| jono | jcastro, no worries | 16:09 |
| jcastro | jono: can you approve some BPs today? | 16:11 |
| jcastro | we're like, soooo close to done | 16:11 |
| jono | jcastro, sure | 16:11 |
| === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado | ||
| jcastro | Technoviking: in 3 years he'll want a car | 16:31 |
| Technoviking | jcastro: he is taking donations for it, He wants an Audi R8 | 16:35 |
| joey | jcastro: asac said you can have the extra plenary slot | 16:35 |
| Technoviking | and he is getting a POS with good brakes, good seatbelts, and good airbags:) | 16:35 |
| jcastro | joey: yeah 14:45 tuesday | 16:37 |
| jcastro | Daviey: james_w`: if anyone has any idea why I can't get lp "kitterman" the ability to edit the schedule even though I put him in the right group in the admin interface, that would be awesome | 16:38 |
| joey | jcastro: will there be another scheduler run that will move any of the automatically scheduled sessions? if not, I need to do some rearranging | 16:38 |
| jcastro | joey: it runs every hour | 16:38 |
| jcastro | but it doesn't shuffle them every hour | 16:38 |
| jcastro | it just adds the new ones | 16:39 |
| jcastro | and yes, you can start conflict resolving sessions | 16:39 |
| jcastro | once you touch them summit won't mess with them | 16:39 |
| joey | jcastro: hmm ok. I have a situation where someone is only attending from wed onwards and their sessions in which they are required are scheduled for Monday | 16:39 |
| AlanBell | the ARM Linus Interface sessions are all the wrong order it seems | 16:39 |
| joey | james_w`: available as a second pair of eyes? | 16:41 |
| joey | james_w`: I'm going to nuke what seems like an extraneous PM BOF in Kacinzy on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/2011-05-10/ | 16:42 |
| joey | james_w`: and move the session to the place holder also on that day at 11 | 16:42 |
| joey | well, done anyway | 16:44 |
| joey | jcastro: how do I delete items off the sidebar? | 16:56 |
| joey | jcastro: specifically those power management bofs :-) | 16:56 |
| joey | that you scheduled | 16:56 |
| dholbach | jono, 2m? :) | 16:58 |
| jcastro | joey: you need to click admin up top | 16:59 |
| jcastro | and click on meetings | 16:59 |
| jcastro | and find them by hand and delete them | 16:59 |
| jcastro | joey: yeah sorry, kind of crappy | 16:59 |
| jono | dholbach, I hasve it scheduled for 30m time | 17:01 |
| jono | dholbach, I can't talk right now, on a call | 17:01 |
| dholbach | jono, oopsie - you're right :) | 17:02 |
| dholbach | nevermind | 17:02 |
| jono | dholbach, all set? | 17:29 |
| dholbach | let's go | 17:29 |
| nigelb | o/ | 17:43 |
| nigelb | jono: Can I have 5 mins of your time later today? | 17:43 |
| dholbach | ok my friends - calling it a day | 17:51 |
| dholbach | have a great day - see you tomorrow | 17:51 |
| mhall119 | nigelb: what's the word on your visa? | 18:18 |
| mhall119 | wow, Read Feeder goes a lot faster when I enable dirty reads | 18:24 |
| mhall119 | maybe this is a sign that I should move it to postgres | 18:24 |
| joey | jcastro: Hi, re Mounir's email. I edited the meeting to be 2 slots but it doesn't show up as that now. Ideas on how to proceed? | 18:30 |
| === daker is now known as daker_ | ||
| paultag | oh ffs | 18:53 |
| paultag | I just upgraded to natty, totally borked my install | 18:53 |
| paultag | unity, ffffuuu- | 18:53 |
| paultag | and ubuntu "classic" is just as broken. I'm stoked | 18:53 |
| AlanBell | try unity-2d | 18:54 |
| paultag | AlanBell: that's not the problem | 18:55 |
| paultag | AlanBell: I have a secondary screen to the left of my normal screen | 18:55 |
| paultag | AlanBell: so the super-useful unity bar is in a really hard to use place | 18:55 |
| paultag | so it just sucks up space | 18:55 |
| AlanBell | yup | 18:56 |
| paultag | oh, and it won't work on my seecond monitor | 18:56 |
| paultag | because I use xrandr to rotate the screen | 18:56 |
| paultag | so they're two X instances, so the secondary screen can't be used | 18:56 |
| paultag | at all | 18:56 |
| AlanBell | get a new desk is apparently the correct answer to that problem | 18:56 |
| paultag | that's just so false :) | 18:56 |
| paultag | so, time to switch back to debian | 18:56 |
| AlanBell | popey will be along shortly for your exit interview | 18:56 |
| popey | :D | 18:56 |
| paultag | :) | 18:58 |
| paultag | I'm going to pull a 1990s linux user and switch to gnome2x or fluxbox | 18:58 |
| nigelb | AlanBell: heh | 19:00 |
| nigelb | jcastro, mhall119: other than etherpad fix, anything that *has* to happen pre UDS? | 19:04 |
| paultag | ugh, super+scroll is not working either | 19:04 |
| AlanBell | paultag: yeah, that is annoying | 19:05 |
| nigelb | paultag: blame jcastro or blame popey :p | 19:05 |
| jcastro | nigelb: waiting on IS, and tbh I've been slammed since ... 9am and haven't had lunch, I haven't even had a chance to check with IS | 19:05 |
| popey | \o/ | 19:05 |
| nigelb | jcastro: ouch. *hugs* | 19:05 |
| jcastro | Daviey: did they reply to the RT? | 19:05 |
| Daviey | jcastro: no | 19:07 |
| paultag | AlanBell: aye | 19:08 |
| paultag | nigelb: I'll blame jcastro | 19:08 |
| paultag | jcastro: RT is useless, kthx :) | 19:08 |
| nigelb | paultag: heh, popey is universal blame person :p | 19:09 |
| nigelb | paultag: Also I suspect internal RT :) | 19:09 |
| jcastro | jono: ok all set, fire up the skypes at your convenience | 19:10 |
| paultag | if marky-mark spent cash on making a new bug tracker (launchpad), why would you not use that? | 19:11 |
| paultag | RT is so kludgey | 19:11 |
| jono | jcastro, cool, give me a few mins | 19:11 |
| mhall119 | nigelb: your attendence | 19:11 |
| Daviey | RT is massively better than LP for Request Tracking. | 19:11 |
| paultag | Daviey: rt@ubuntu never gets checked, we keep getting complaints from loco teams | 19:12 |
| paultag | Daviey: I've never had anything fixed via RT | 19:12 |
| mhall119 | paultag: rt != bug | 19:12 |
| Daviey | paultag: and how is that related to it being 'kludgey'/ | 19:12 |
| Daviey | ? | 19:12 |
| mhall119 | if launchpad had a proper ticket tracker, then they could use it | 19:12 |
| paultag | mhall119: green != blue, too :) | 19:12 |
| paultag | Daviey: it's not well integrated, it's always flaky and it has a ton of quirks | 19:13 |
| Daviey | mhall119: TBH, there are a tonne of things i would ike LP to do, before doing that. | 19:13 |
| mhall119 | Daviey: me too | 19:13 |
| Daviey | paultag: such as? | 19:13 |
| mhall119 | I'm just saying, no matter how awesome launchpad is for bug tracking, that doesn't make it useful for ticket tracking | 19:13 |
| paultag | Daviey: I'm not going to go through and gripe RT for hours, I have actual work to do -- just use it for a while, the workflow and interface is half-baked | 19:14 |
| mhall119 | personally, I do all my rt's through email | 19:14 |
| nigelb | mhall119: heh, besides that :p | 19:14 |
| Daviey | paultag: I'm not looking for hours of your time, i am looking for a few specific examples. | 19:14 |
| Daviey | mhall119: me aswell :) | 19:14 |
| mhall119 | I've seen nicer, open sourced ticket trackers in the past | 19:15 |
| paultag | Daviey: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Search/Build.html <-- powerful, but wayyy too much, and lots of stuff I don't care about | 19:15 |
| mhall119 | I think RT is around simply because it's already around, and does well enough that nobody who can change it wants to change it | 19:16 |
| paultag | mhall119: yes | 19:16 |
| AlanBell | osticket is nicer, but the technology is not the problem | 19:17 |
| paultag | not at all | 19:17 |
| paultag | we have loco tickets over 3 years old | 19:17 |
| mhall119 | maybe IS can look at placing more of the responsibility for handling LoCo tickets onto the LC ;) | 19:19 |
| * Daviey uses django-helpdesk. | 19:19 | |
| paultag | mhall119: yes, please | 19:19 |
| paultag | mhall119: if we had a way to manage the basics it would be good | 19:19 |
| paultag | because we end up blocking on IS | 19:20 |
| paultag | and i'm sure IS blocks on us | 19:20 |
| AlanBell | I am a bit worried about the prospect of IS building an etherpad server within a week on a ticket they have not yet responded to | 19:21 |
| paultag | mm | 19:22 |
| AlanBell | especially as they are still busy upgrading that wiki server! | 19:22 |
| popey | mmm | 19:23 |
| popey | no reply on that for a while :( | 19:23 |
| AlanBell | by the Natty release was the last expected date as I recall | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | in their last update "I expect us to have at least a test environment for wiki.ubuntu.com up near Natty release time" | 19:24 |
| paultag | shame | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | not sure if they have that test environment up yet | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | but they haven't asked for testers yet, so I'm guessing ot | 19:24 |
| paultag | it's sad no one from IS is in the community | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | not | 19:24 |
| nigelb | can we do it the other way around? | 19:24 |
| paultag | you'd think with so many sysadmin ubuntu members... | 19:24 |
| nigelb | nominate someone from community to help them? | 19:24 |
| nigelb | or have a team that can help them? | 19:25 |
| nigelb | I would join in such a team. | 19:25 |
| paultag | I'm unemployed | 19:25 |
| AlanBell | so would I | 19:25 |
| AlanBell | I have specifically offered to go fix the wiki | 19:25 |
| nigelb | Can someone raise this at UDS? to the IS team specifically? | 19:25 |
| paultag | AlanBell: but us, as crazy irresponsible project members have no access to the servers | 19:26 |
| paultag | not that everyone should cowboy over | 19:26 |
| paultag | but at least it could be a matter of just saying OK | 19:26 |
| paultag | rather then hoops | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | I'm afraid the painful memory of what happened the last time community members managed canonical servers is probably still lurking | 19:26 |
| paultag | pleia2: be like debian, sign usage policy, and dis-member anyone who violates it | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | the press on that was BAD and Ubuntu is even bigger now | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | paultag: sure, but I do see where they are coming from | 19:27 |
| paultag | pleia2: as do I, I just disagree :) | 19:28 |
| nigelb | pleia2: what happened? | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: loco servers used to be community managed and people could install whatever they wanted, so there was lots of bad php code, insecurities abounded, they got hacked | 19:29 |
| popey | As I recall someone from the community DID help IS | 19:29 |
| mhall119 | I've been advocating for Ubuntu to either host an internal cloud, or buy some number of instances from Amazon or Rackspace, and let community projects manage their own instances | 19:29 |
| popey | then canonical recruited them | 19:29 |
| nigelb | pleia2: ouch. | 19:29 |
| paultag | I don't care about being recruited | 19:30 |
| Pici | popey: jpds? | 19:30 |
| popey | yes | 19:30 |
| paultag | we just need someone to interface IS with commuinity | 19:30 |
| nigelb | My point is only this. If IS is overloaded with work, we'd like to help. | 19:30 |
| nigelb | If canonical doesn't have enough servers for test environment, I'm willing to volunteer server/time | 19:30 |
| nigelb | As will many of the community | 19:31 |
| paultag | i'll be frank | 19:31 |
| paultag | until I know IS would actually ACK the team, I would not volunteer anything | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | it's not about enough servers, they are rewriting some of the code for launchpad integration and it's tricky stuff | 19:31 |
| paultag | my guess is they are afraid of us undercutting them | 19:31 |
| nigelb | pleia2: I know | 19:31 |
| popey | i doubt that paultag | 19:33 |
| popey | kit isnt something they're short of | 19:33 |
| popey | manpower to do the work is | 19:33 |
| mhall119 | like any good sysadmin, they don't want to give anybody control over the boxes in their care | 19:33 |
| nigelb | heh | 19:33 |
| paultag | mhall119: right | 19:33 |
| paultag | and I think that's a matter of not bing in the community, or trusting us with a box | 19:33 |
| paultag | not that I want more work | 19:34 |
| mhall119 | paultag: I think, from a sysadmin's perspective, being in the community wouldn't change much | 19:34 |
| paultag | or access to anything | 19:34 |
| paultag | mhall119: if you trust someone to upload a new version of bash to every single ubuntu machine running, why would you not trust them on the machine? | 19:34 |
| mhall119 | there's also an old story about car mechanics charging twice as much if you want to "help" them | 19:35 |
| nigelb | heh | 19:35 |
| nigelb | because the work gets over in half the time? | 19:35 |
| nigelb | :p | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | it takes a significant investment of time to introduce a new sysadmin helper to the infrastructure, policies and procedures of a system | 19:36 |
| mhall119 | paultag: would you want to manage a server if every change had to go through the process of a package upload? | 19:36 |
| paultag | mhall119: yes, and it would be good to document things | 19:36 |
| paultag | mhall119: if, of course, I actually wanted to do IT work | 19:37 |
| paultag | wich I don't | 19:37 |
| mhall119 | see, I think you and they just have different perspectives of what is good for service uptime | 19:37 |
| paultag | mhall119: having a documented history of changes is very useful when a machine goes down | 19:37 |
| paultag | mhall119: so you know what to revert, rather then not knowing joe hacker brought in a new conf | 19:37 |
| mhall119 | sure is, but having to document every change to get it back up isn't | 19:37 |
| paultag | it's production | 19:37 |
| paultag | mhall119: reverting changes don't need to be noted, you can just back them out | 19:38 |
| paultag | you can make a note later, though | 19:38 |
| paultag | so joe hacker won't bork it | 19:38 |
| mhall119 | yeah, but it's not always that simple, the machines have data that is outside of that | 19:38 |
| paultag | mhall119: my point is, logs are useful and changes need to be documented | 19:38 |
| paultag | mhall119: you can't just ssh into a machine and start futzing with prod conf files | 19:39 |
| mhall119 | which they are now, through RT | 19:39 |
| paultag | 18:36 < mhall119> paultag: would you want to manage a server if every change had to go through the process of a package upload? | 19:39 |
| paultag | Yes, I would | 19:39 |
| paultag | that's the only point i'm making | 19:39 |
| paultag | and I think you agree | 19:39 |
| mhall119 | and yet you wouldn't want to be a sysadmin | 19:39 |
| paultag | mhall119: not at all | 19:39 |
| paultag | mhall119: I hate sysadmin work | 19:39 |
| mhall119 | okay, I've gotta pick up the kids from school, bbl | 19:40 |
| paultag | kk, cheers | 19:40 |
| nigelb | ok, bed. | 19:41 |
| nigelb | laters all. | 19:41 |
| === m4n1sh_ is now known as m4n1sh | ||
| === m4n1sh_ is now known as m4n1sh | ||
| james_w` | jcastro, did you get kitterman sorted? | 20:41 |
| jcastro | I think so | 21:11 |
| james_w` | thanks | 21:12 |
| jcastro | Daviey sorted it | 21:13 |
| jcastro | Daviey: what did I do wrong btw, how did you fix it? | 21:13 |
| jcastro | Daviey: ok let's pretend I am scheduling | 21:53 |
| jcastro | and I move a session | 21:53 |
| jcastro | and then i decide "wait, summit IS smarter than me" | 21:53 |
| jcastro | is there a way to kick a session back to "auto" mode? | 21:54 |
| james_w` | jcastro, drag it to the sidebar | 21:55 |
| jcastro | oh ok | 21:56 |
| czajkowski | jcastro: thanks for mail will resolve | 22:03 |
| jcastro | ta | 22:03 |
| jcastro | thought I could run interference but ran out of KNOWLEDGE | 22:04 |
| czajkowski | no bother tis what we're here for | 22:04 |
| paultag | thanks jcastro | 22:13 |
| paultag | lordy lordy | 22:13 |
| jcastro | paultag: I was making fun of ohio and someone totally called me out on it | 22:13 |
| paultag | jcastro: hahahahaha, what?! | 22:14 |
| czajkowski | jcastro: tis ok I make fun of paultag always :) | 22:14 |
| paultag | who cares enough about ohio to call you out on it? | 22:14 |
| jcastro | http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/4845466334/road-tripping-with-u1-music | 22:14 |
| jcastro | look at the comments | 22:14 |
| jcastro | I actually feel bad, so next time I will say "note how we avoid Paultag" | 22:14 |
| paultag | Ahahahahahahaha! | 22:14 |
| paultag | that's bloody brilliant | 22:14 |
| paultag | jcastro: haha, that's great | 22:15 |
| jcastro | that's what google picked | 22:15 |
| paultag | jcastro: use me at will for your ohio-hate :) | 22:15 |
| jcastro | yeah I can always count on you to be a sustained level of emo | 22:16 |
| jcastro | not too much, not too little | 22:16 |
| paultag | yeah, I'm the perfect level of pissed off and pessimistic | 22:16 |
| jcastro | "well, you seem burned out and ready to hate everyone, I think you're ready to apply for membership" | 22:17 |
| jcastro | we should call it the holbach-scale | 22:17 |
| paultag | jcastro: that's stupid, we'd never be able to get a useful metric | 22:17 |
| paultag | a 0.9 holbach would leave for sure | 22:17 |
| paultag | we should use someone usually OK | 22:18 |
| jcastro | it'd be very useful, because it'd always be maxed out! | 22:18 |
| jcastro | haha | 22:18 |
| paultag | I'm at about 2.32 czajkowskis | 22:18 |
| paultag | Laura is much too happy all the time | 22:18 |
| czajkowski | paultag: you really have not seen me this month have you buddy :) | 22:19 |
| cjohnston | czajkowski: this month is two days in.. your doing good so far! :-P | 22:19 |
| paultag | czajkowski: these are *averages* :) | 22:19 |
| paultag | czajkowski: a few weeks of 0.7 holbach is not going to offset years of negitive holbachs | 22:20 |
| czajkowski | cjohnston: ok april sucked donkey balls | 22:20 |
| czajkowski | dholbach is one of the most happiest guys I've ever met | 22:20 |
| czajkowski | nothing gets to him | 22:20 |
| czajkowski | he's always helpful even after looking at evil mails from sounder and stuff | 22:20 |
| paultag | not anymore! | 22:20 |
| czajkowski | there is nothing that makes him not happy | 22:21 |
| paultag | sounder that is | 22:21 |
| jcastro | jono: are you in 11.04 and all at home and settled in? | 22:21 |
| jono | jcastro, yep | 22:21 |
| jcastro | jono: I need to guinea pg you | 22:21 |
| nhandler | czajkowski: I've seen him not happy (not angry, but not happy) | 22:21 |
| jono | jcastro, whats up? | 22:21 |
| jcastro | jono: hit super, type "metallica" and tell me what you get | 22:21 |
| paultag | jcastro: kinky | 22:22 |
| cjohnston | uhhh | 22:22 |
| czajkowski | nhandler: RARE. | 22:22 |
| jono | jcastro, a metallica image on my computer | 22:22 |
| jcastro | I think we need a music lens, that is just in the main dash. | 22:22 |
| jcastro | right | 22:22 |
| jcastro | but what I want | 22:22 |
| jcastro | is every album, and video | 22:22 |
| jcastro | categorized | 22:23 |
| jcastro | and when I hit enter it autoqueues up in banshee or totem | 22:23 |
| jono | jcastro, totally | 22:23 |
| paultag | jcastro: had it with gnome-do, get it slid back in :) | 22:23 |
| jcastro | paultag: right | 22:23 |
| jcastro | it's like, soooooo close | 22:23 |
| jcastro | paultag: how's your python? | 22:23 |
| jcastro | ~350 lines, it's all I need | 22:23 |
| AlanBell | is there an example lens in python? | 22:23 |
| jcastro | YES | 22:23 |
| paultag | jcastro: well | 22:23 |
| jcastro | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unity/Lenses | 22:23 |
| paultag | jcastro: I just finished most of my package manager, and it's all in python | 22:24 |
| jcastro | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses/Ideas | 22:24 |
| jcastro | the links from the idea pages have a bunch of other lenses | 22:24 |
| jcastro | also, the edubuntu.org URL brought to you by Canonical not understanding how canonical urls work. :-/ | 22:24 |
| jcastro | irony. | 22:24 |
| AlanBell | also I have offered to fix that | 22:24 |
| jcastro | I will beg someone at UDS when I see them | 22:25 |
| jcastro | or just pay off edubuntu to drop the custom skin | 22:25 |
| jcastro | :) | 22:25 |
| AlanBell | so the full working example is in vala, not python | 22:25 |
| paultag | Vala's not bad | 22:25 |
| jcastro | lp:~njpatel/unity-Lens-sample/unity-Lens-youtube | 22:25 |
| jcastro | is the sample | 22:25 |
| jcastro | though | 22:25 |
| paultag | it's almost unsucked c | 22:25 |
| jcastro | either the AU lens or the books lens is fine, as we know those work and have been around the longest | 22:26 |
| AlanBell | that needs to go here then: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unity/Lenses#Example Code | 22:26 |
| jcastro | hmm good idea | 22:26 |
| nhandler | jcastro: If you decide to go the payment route, make checks payable to Nathan Handler ;) | 22:27 |
| AlanBell | and it is lp:~njpatel/unity-place-sample/unity-place-youtube | 22:28 |
| AlanBell | jcastro: so you pulled that from a page where someone did a find and replace on place/lens | 22:28 |
| jcastro | AlanBell: yes, I got John Lea'ed | 22:31 |
| AlanBell | really should have branched that on a machine running unity | 22:31 |
| jcastro | he was like "oh, these aren't places anymore" so he searched and replaced one day | 22:31 |
| jcastro | and totally boned the page up | 22:31 |
| jcastro | but I think I got most of the errors, and kamstrup double checked | 22:31 |
| AlanBell | and it is vala!! | 22:31 |
| jcastro | AlanBell: in code there's references to Places still | 22:32 |
| paultag | jcastro: man, unity really borked up my desktop | 22:32 |
| paultag | jcastro: I'm bummed | 22:32 |
| jcastro | it's really only lenses on the user visible part | 22:32 |
| jcastro | paultag: too awesome for you? yeah, there's a if==username paul or whatever | 22:32 |
| jcastro | paultag: what's the problem? | 22:32 |
| jcastro | AlanBell: the "places" term will be totally excised in 11.10 | 22:32 |
| AlanBell | sure | 22:32 |
| AlanBell | ok, so is the books lens python? | 22:33 |
| jcastro | yes | 22:33 |
| jcastro | it's actually awesome | 22:33 |
| jcastro | you type dune, and hit enter | 22:33 |
| paultag | jcastro: my secondary monitor is on the left of my primary -- so the unity funbar is useless, and no way to change it to the right hand side. Also, it fails for two X sessions (each monitor is it's own X11 session) because I have to rotate the screen | 22:33 |
| jcastro | and it returns the book | 22:33 |
| jcastro | paultag: that's a top bug for neil | 22:33 |
| paultag | jcastro: so I can't use my second monitor and the unity funbar is borked up | 22:33 |
| jcastro | he's on it for an SRU | 22:33 |
| paultag | jcastro: which one? | 22:33 |
| jcastro | I got lucky, RightOf baby! | 22:33 |
| paultag | hehe | 22:33 |
| jcastro | I don't know about your xsession thing | 22:33 |
| jcastro | that you might have to file a bug on | 22:33 |
| jcastro | I'm on twinview | 22:34 |
| paultag | twinview is fine, but I have to use XRandR | 22:34 |
| paultag | so I can't use twinview | 22:34 |
| paultag | so the secondary is useless | 22:34 |
| popey | why do you rotate your screen? | 22:34 |
| popey | out of interest | 22:34 |
| jcastro | I have found that anytime rotating a screen is involved | 22:34 |
| jcastro | there is pain | 22:34 |
| paultag | popey: it's the one I use to stick either docs on (so I don't have to scroll up and down), and since I stick to code being 80 lines wide, I waste a lot on a longways screen | 22:35 |
| paultag | jcastro: it's been fine for me | 22:35 |
| jcastro | I tried to go portrait/portrait once and got total fail | 22:35 |
| popey | ahh | 22:35 |
| paultag | jcastro: until unity ;) | 22:35 |
| cjohnston | I got my inbox down from 900 to 100! | 22:35 |
| popey | Select All -> Archive. | 22:35 |
| popey | Job done. | 22:35 |
| jcastro | paultag: ok file that one and link me up and I'll have someone triage it | 22:35 |
| paultag | cjohnston: got down to inbox2 yesterday. I'm back up to over 100 | 22:35 |
| paultag | jcastro: thanks brotato | 22:35 |
| jcastro | multimonitor is supposed to be feature parity with gnome 2.x | 22:35 |
| * popey is on inbox 3576 | 22:35 | |
| cjohnston | lol | 22:35 |
| jcastro | which unfortunately isn't awesome | 22:35 |
| jcastro | but for 11.10 it should be much nicer | 22:36 |
| paultag | jcastro: gnome 2x works fine | 22:36 |
| AlanBell | yay, python | 22:36 |
| jcastro | right, we're supposed to be at least as ok as gnome 2x is for multimonitor | 22:36 |
| paultag | ahh | 22:36 |
| popey | hmm, i have just noticed something | 22:36 |
| paultag | but since there's not alt+f2 as it's own app anymore, the funrun pops up on the primary monitor, but won't spawn on the secondary | 22:36 |
| popey | press Super+A | 22:36 |
| popey | you get the applications lens thing | 22:36 |
| popey | press escape | 22:37 |
| popey | and as the application one disappears, you can see dash under it | 22:37 |
| popey | massive banshee icon gives it away | 22:37 |
| popey | only for a split second | 22:37 |
| paultag | popey: ahhh I see it | 22:37 |
| paultag | popey: hehehe, cute | 22:37 |
| popey | luckily I am recording the screen at the same time | 22:38 |
| popey | so i have video evidence of this | 22:38 |
| jcastro | oh nice | 22:38 |
| cjohnston | down to 11 paultag | 22:38 |
| jcastro | I can't see that, link me up when it's ready | 22:38 |
| paultag | cjohnston: woo | 22:38 |
| jcastro | AlanBell: so since we're talking about lenses | 22:38 |
| paultag | jcastro: it's a *split* second | 22:38 |
| jcastro | someone needs to do a terminal lens | 22:38 |
| paultag | jcastro: not even | 22:38 |
| jcastro | so basically it'd be just like quake | 22:38 |
| paultag | re: terminal lens: that's a *bear* | 22:38 |
| paultag | there's no easy way to do it. duanedesign might know a bit better | 22:39 |
| jcastro | no way bro, shove a VTE widget in there | 22:39 |
| jcastro | jason (dbo) said that was easy | 22:39 |
| jcastro | but then again that might be relative | 22:39 |
| paultag | jcastro: I thought there was no good VTE widget | 22:39 |
| jcastro | or maintained? :) | 22:40 |
| paultag | truth | 22:40 |
| jcastro | hmm so check this out paultag, bear with me | 22:40 |
| jcastro | you have the nice big input window | 22:40 |
| jcastro | so I say, do the terminal a new way, keep the field up top | 22:40 |
| jcastro | but the rest of the terminal is below in the dash | 22:40 |
| paultag | jcastro: I mean, that's a solid idea | 22:41 |
| paultag | jcastro: I dig | 22:41 |
| paultag | jcastro: readline might fuck stuff up | 22:41 |
| paultag | jcastro: for sudo commands and stuff | 22:41 |
| paultag | but other then that, sounds cool | 22:41 |
| jcastro | ok so stop reinventing apt, let's roll | 22:41 |
| popey | lol | 22:41 |
| jcastro | I wonder if the guake guys can figure it out | 22:42 |
| jcastro | I should just send them a mail | 22:42 |
| popey | i love that ffmpeg is multicore now | 22:42 |
| popey | seeing ffmpeg eat 200% CPU is _great_ | 22:42 |
| jcastro | paultag: I'll mock something up and just mail the guake guys | 22:44 |
| Technoviking | anyone else using a dnssd wireless printer? | 22:48 |
| popey | jcastro / paultag see bug 775925 | 22:50 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 775925 in unity "Dash appears momentarily after a lens closes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775925 | 22:50 |
| popey | attached an mp4 (sorry) ogv was all messed up | 22:50 |
| paultag | jcastro: for sure | 22:55 |
| jcastro | OMG. | 22:55 |
| jcastro | paultag: | 22:55 |
| paultag | jcastro: just be careful about the readline | 22:55 |
| paultag | jcastro: what's up :) | 22:55 |
| jcastro | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/terminal-lens.png | 22:55 |
| jcastro | dude, HOT | 22:55 |
| jcastro | but you'd have to make the byobu stuff realize it's running in a lens | 22:56 |
| jcastro | and go "light mode" | 22:56 |
| popey | lol@popey.sh | 22:57 |
| jcastro | popey: that's the encoding script you gave me | 22:57 |
| popey | :D | 22:58 |
| paultag | jcastro: nice :) | 22:59 |
| paultag | jcastro: that's a mockup, yeah? | 22:59 |
| popey | i like that he has a README in his home | 23:00 |
| paultag | hahaha | 23:00 |
| popey | but yes, i would like a terminal lens | 23:00 |
| paultag | I love `lowgirl' | 23:00 |
| paultag | you just have to be super careful | 23:00 |
| paultag | stuff like sudo passwords are not great to put in big font :) | 23:00 |
| jcastro | I am mailing some people who are terminal smart. | 23:00 |
| jcastro | no dude, the prompt would be in the window | 23:00 |
| jcastro | and entering it would just be ****** | 23:00 |
| paultag | I'm thinking you'd have to rehack up the VTE let you do that | 23:01 |
| paultag | but totally doable | 23:01 |
| paultag | jcastro: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/775934 | 23:03 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 775934 in unity "Secondary screen (running with two X11 sessions, not twinview) can not start applications" [Undecided,New] | 23:03 |
| paultag | I could triage it, but it's looked down upon :) | 23:03 |
| * popey looks down upon paultag | 23:03 | |
| paultag | popey: :) | 23:04 |
| jcastro | I'll holla at someone on DX tomorrow | 23:04 |
| paultag | jcastro: thanks mang. Can we also get the documentation to officially call the alt+f2 run a command menu the `funrun' menu? | 23:04 |
| jcastro | hah | 23:04 |
| paultag | makes it more cheerful | 23:04 |
| paultag | I mean, who can get mad at the funrun menu? | 23:05 |
| paultag | No one, that's who | 23:05 |
| jcastro | I dig it | 23:05 |
| jcastro | that's how "love handles" got their name | 23:05 |
| paultag | hahaha | 23:05 |
| paultag | I'm bummed there's no expo either | 23:06 |
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