[07:49] :D :D [08:18] good morning [08:18] good morning dholbach! Isnt it a wonderful morning? :D [08:19] hi jussi [08:19] yes, life's good :) === kim0|vacation is now known as kim0 [09:02] * kim0 makes an appearance [09:02] Morning everyone :) [09:04] hiya kim0 [09:04] Pendulum: howdy o [09:04] oh o/ [09:04] missed everyone around here [09:05] dholbach, jussi, morning :) [09:05] hi kim0 [09:05] hey [09:06] after the recent events, maybe I can take shampoo back into my carry-on luggage on Wednesday again? [09:07] dholbach: i doubt it [09:07] Pendulum, me too [09:07] tbh, I bet terror watch alerts go up the next week or so [09:07] yes [09:08] * Pendulum is glad she managed to travel before stuff happened [09:08] * Pendulum is also glad she isn't in the US to get upset with the people partying in the streets [09:08] and they're always a good excuse for interior ministers around the world to "enhance" laws [09:08] yes [09:09] Pendulum: you will be wanting the wedding coverage back on TV now [09:32] Morning kim0 [09:33] hey :) [09:35] Morning [09:36] So I finally submited my visa application today. [09:36] I'm still not sure when I'll get it back. I have to call the consulate general and beg today :\ [09:37] :o [09:42] aloha [09:43] Daviey: poke [09:47] czajkowski: o/ [09:50] mornin [09:54] morning === daker_ is now known as daker [11:44] morning all [11:45] nigelb: you think they would know by now. 'its been 6 months time to get nigel's visa ready' :) [11:46] popey: ping [11:47] duanedesign: heh [11:57] popey: unping :) I found it [12:08] :) [12:08] I consider myself unpung [12:08] popey: did you ever have any luck with the mini? [12:09] * popey looks at it sat on his desk [12:09] * popey notes the reminder [12:09] sorry [12:10] nah bother [12:10] you sure you dont want 11.04 on it? [12:10] popey: if you cna get it working on it I don't mind [12:10] ;) [12:10] win [12:14] czajkowski: is there any data on this thing? [12:14] nope [12:15] it is rather cute [12:15] looks tiny compared to all the other stuff on my desk [12:15] it is :) [12:15] * czajkowski misses Gorgamon [12:15] will that be the hostname? [12:15] I think one of the usb ports is dead [12:15] aye [12:15] ok [12:15] noted [12:17] oo 2GB RAM, sweet [12:17] is that an SSD or spinny disk? [12:18] hmmm [12:18] off hsnd cannot remember [12:18] i know spec had ssd in ot [12:20] wow, torrent flying [12:20] :D [12:22] 60 peers, 2.13MB.s [12:34] HI all can you all let folks know by denting tweeting etc that Ubuntu Open Week Starts today. http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/05/02/ubuntu-open-week-may-2-6-2011/ [12:36] czajkowski: all the usb ports work fine [12:37] done https://twitter.com/#!/ak_kim0/status/65016905936801792 [12:37] done [12:37] popey: oh [12:37] kim0 thanks! [12:37] just tested with the mouse dongle [12:40] popey: ohhh :D [12:40] I may have a skype working machine again :D [12:46] akgraner: pimped to ubuntu-users and my loco team [12:47] popey, thanks! [12:48] hey whomever can help jcastro and I today for open week would be great. I have a couple more things that have to be done today, nigelb is busy and so are most of the other classroom folks (bad timing with life stuff all the way around) [12:55] morning === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch [15:00] jcastro, ping [15:01] you ready to kick off Ubuntu Open Week? [15:18] jcastro/ Daviey , is there anything else that needs to be done to summit to have it ready? [15:23] I think we're all set [15:35] cool [15:36] my new motto [15:36] "There's no sense crying over every mistake; you just keep on trying until you run out of cake." [15:41] Just play portal? [15:41] nope :) [15:41] bf does that i listen to it [15:41] Ah. Tis a good song. [15:43] I like random comments from it [15:43] Pici: http://twitter.com/#!/OldFunnyJoker/status/65007092209168385 ;p [16:05] james_w`: around? [16:06] james_w`: I tried adding scottk - "kitterman" in summit to give him the ability to schedule kubuntu sessions [16:06] he's in the right lp group as he can see all the right stuff in launchpad [16:06] but he doesn't see "Edit" on his grid [16:06] hey jono [16:06] hey dholbach [16:07] jono: Can I delay our call by like 10 minutes today? I finish off a session right at 2 and I need a bit to prepare [16:09] jcastro, no worries [16:11] jono: can you approve some BPs today? [16:11] we're like, soooo close to done [16:11] jcastro, sure === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [16:31] Technoviking: in 3 years he'll want a car [16:35] jcastro: he is taking donations for it, He wants an Audi R8 [16:35] jcastro: asac said you can have the extra plenary slot [16:35] and he is getting a POS with good brakes, good seatbelts, and good airbags:) [16:37] joey: yeah 14:45 tuesday [16:38] Daviey: james_w`: if anyone has any idea why I can't get lp "kitterman" the ability to edit the schedule even though I put him in the right group in the admin interface, that would be awesome [16:38] jcastro: will there be another scheduler run that will move any of the automatically scheduled sessions? if not, I need to do some rearranging [16:38] joey: it runs every hour [16:38] but it doesn't shuffle them every hour [16:39] it just adds the new ones [16:39] and yes, you can start conflict resolving sessions [16:39] once you touch them summit won't mess with them [16:39] jcastro: hmm ok. I have a situation where someone is only attending from wed onwards and their sessions in which they are required are scheduled for Monday [16:39] the ARM Linus Interface sessions are all the wrong order it seems [16:41] james_w`: available as a second pair of eyes? [16:42] james_w`: I'm going to nuke what seems like an extraneous PM BOF in Kacinzy on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/2011-05-10/ [16:42] james_w`: and move the session to the place holder also on that day at 11 [16:44] well, done anyway [16:56] jcastro: how do I delete items off the sidebar? [16:56] jcastro: specifically those power management bofs :-) [16:56] that you scheduled [16:58] jono, 2m? :) [16:59] joey: you need to click admin up top [16:59] and click on meetings [16:59] and find them by hand and delete them [16:59] joey: yeah sorry, kind of crappy [17:01] dholbach, I hasve it scheduled for 30m time [17:01] dholbach, I can't talk right now, on a call [17:02] jono, oopsie - you're right :) [17:02] nevermind [17:29] dholbach, all set? [17:29] let's go [17:43] o/ [17:43] jono: Can I have 5 mins of your time later today? [17:51] ok my friends - calling it a day [17:51] have a great day - see you tomorrow [18:18] nigelb: what's the word on your visa? [18:24] wow, Read Feeder goes a lot faster when I enable dirty reads [18:24] maybe this is a sign that I should move it to postgres [18:30] jcastro: Hi, re Mounir's email. I edited the meeting to be 2 slots but it doesn't show up as that now. Ideas on how to proceed? === daker is now known as daker_ [18:53] oh ffs [18:53] I just upgraded to natty, totally borked my install [18:53] unity, ffffuuu- [18:53] and ubuntu "classic" is just as broken. I'm stoked [18:54] try unity-2d [18:55] AlanBell: that's not the problem [18:55] AlanBell: I have a secondary screen to the left of my normal screen [18:55] AlanBell: so the super-useful unity bar is in a really hard to use place [18:55] so it just sucks up space [18:56] yup [18:56] oh, and it won't work on my seecond monitor [18:56] because I use xrandr to rotate the screen [18:56] so they're two X instances, so the secondary screen can't be used [18:56] at all [18:56] get a new desk is apparently the correct answer to that problem [18:56] that's just so false :) [18:56] so, time to switch back to debian [18:56] popey will be along shortly for your exit interview [18:56] :D [18:58] :) [18:58] I'm going to pull a 1990s linux user and switch to gnome2x or fluxbox [19:00] AlanBell: heh [19:04] jcastro, mhall119: other than etherpad fix, anything that *has* to happen pre UDS? [19:04] ugh, super+scroll is not working either [19:05] paultag: yeah, that is annoying [19:05] paultag: blame jcastro or blame popey :p [19:05] nigelb: waiting on IS, and tbh I've been slammed since ... 9am and haven't had lunch, I haven't even had a chance to check with IS [19:05] \o/ [19:05] jcastro: ouch. *hugs* [19:05] Daviey: did they reply to the RT? [19:07] jcastro: no [19:08] AlanBell: aye [19:08] nigelb: I'll blame jcastro [19:08] jcastro: RT is useless, kthx :) [19:09] paultag: heh, popey is universal blame person :p [19:09] paultag: Also I suspect internal RT :) [19:10] jono: ok all set, fire up the skypes at your convenience [19:11] if marky-mark spent cash on making a new bug tracker (launchpad), why would you not use that? [19:11] RT is so kludgey [19:11] jcastro, cool, give me a few mins [19:11] nigelb: your attendence [19:11] RT is massively better than LP for Request Tracking. [19:12] Daviey: rt@ubuntu never gets checked, we keep getting complaints from loco teams [19:12] Daviey: I've never had anything fixed via RT [19:12] paultag: rt != bug [19:12] paultag: and how is that related to it being 'kludgey'/ [19:12] ? [19:12] if launchpad had a proper ticket tracker, then they could use it [19:12] mhall119: green != blue, too :) [19:13] Daviey: it's not well integrated, it's always flaky and it has a ton of quirks [19:13] mhall119: TBH, there are a tonne of things i would ike LP to do, before doing that. [19:13] Daviey: me too [19:13] paultag: such as? [19:13] I'm just saying, no matter how awesome launchpad is for bug tracking, that doesn't make it useful for ticket tracking [19:14] Daviey: I'm not going to go through and gripe RT for hours, I have actual work to do -- just use it for a while, the workflow and interface is half-baked [19:14] personally, I do all my rt's through email [19:14] mhall119: heh, besides that :p [19:14] paultag: I'm not looking for hours of your time, i am looking for a few specific examples. [19:14] mhall119: me aswell :) [19:15] I've seen nicer, open sourced ticket trackers in the past [19:15] Daviey: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Search/Build.html <-- powerful, but wayyy too much, and lots of stuff I don't care about [19:16] I think RT is around simply because it's already around, and does well enough that nobody who can change it wants to change it [19:16] mhall119: yes [19:17] osticket is nicer, but the technology is not the problem [19:17] not at all [19:17] we have loco tickets over 3 years old [19:19] maybe IS can look at placing more of the responsibility for handling LoCo tickets onto the LC ;) [19:19] * Daviey uses django-helpdesk. [19:19] mhall119: yes, please [19:19] mhall119: if we had a way to manage the basics it would be good [19:20] because we end up blocking on IS [19:20] and i'm sure IS blocks on us [19:21] I am a bit worried about the prospect of IS building an etherpad server within a week on a ticket they have not yet responded to [19:22] mm [19:22] especially as they are still busy upgrading that wiki server! [19:23] mmm [19:23] no reply on that for a while :( [19:23] by the Natty release was the last expected date as I recall [19:24] in their last update "I expect us to have at least a test environment for wiki.ubuntu.com up near Natty release time" [19:24] shame [19:24] not sure if they have that test environment up yet [19:24] but they haven't asked for testers yet, so I'm guessing ot [19:24] it's sad no one from IS is in the community [19:24] not [19:24] can we do it the other way around? [19:24] you'd think with so many sysadmin ubuntu members... [19:24] nominate someone from community to help them? [19:25] or have a team that can help them? [19:25] I would join in such a team. [19:25] I'm unemployed [19:25] so would I [19:25] I have specifically offered to go fix the wiki [19:25] Can someone raise this at UDS? to the IS team specifically? [19:26] AlanBell: but us, as crazy irresponsible project members have no access to the servers [19:26] not that everyone should cowboy over [19:26] but at least it could be a matter of just saying OK [19:26] rather then hoops [19:26] I'm afraid the painful memory of what happened the last time community members managed canonical servers is probably still lurking [19:27] pleia2: be like debian, sign usage policy, and dis-member anyone who violates it [19:27] the press on that was BAD and Ubuntu is even bigger now [19:27] paultag: sure, but I do see where they are coming from [19:28] pleia2: as do I, I just disagree :) [19:28] pleia2: what happened? [19:29] nigelb: loco servers used to be community managed and people could install whatever they wanted, so there was lots of bad php code, insecurities abounded, they got hacked [19:29] As I recall someone from the community DID help IS [19:29] I've been advocating for Ubuntu to either host an internal cloud, or buy some number of instances from Amazon or Rackspace, and let community projects manage their own instances [19:29] then canonical recruited them [19:29] pleia2: ouch. [19:30] I don't care about being recruited [19:30] popey: jpds? [19:30] yes [19:30] we just need someone to interface IS with commuinity [19:30] My point is only this. If IS is overloaded with work, we'd like to help. [19:30] If canonical doesn't have enough servers for test environment, I'm willing to volunteer server/time [19:31] As will many of the community [19:31] i'll be frank [19:31] until I know IS would actually ACK the team, I would not volunteer anything [19:31] it's not about enough servers, they are rewriting some of the code for launchpad integration and it's tricky stuff [19:31] my guess is they are afraid of us undercutting them [19:31] pleia2: I know [19:33] i doubt that paultag [19:33] kit isnt something they're short of [19:33] manpower to do the work is [19:33] like any good sysadmin, they don't want to give anybody control over the boxes in their care [19:33] heh [19:33] mhall119: right [19:33] and I think that's a matter of not bing in the community, or trusting us with a box [19:34] not that I want more work [19:34] paultag: I think, from a sysadmin's perspective, being in the community wouldn't change much [19:34] or access to anything [19:34] mhall119: if you trust someone to upload a new version of bash to every single ubuntu machine running, why would you not trust them on the machine? [19:35] there's also an old story about car mechanics charging twice as much if you want to "help" them [19:35] heh [19:35] because the work gets over in half the time? [19:35] :p [19:36] it takes a significant investment of time to introduce a new sysadmin helper to the infrastructure, policies and procedures of a system [19:36] paultag: would you want to manage a server if every change had to go through the process of a package upload? [19:36] mhall119: yes, and it would be good to document things [19:37] mhall119: if, of course, I actually wanted to do IT work [19:37] wich I don't [19:37] see, I think you and they just have different perspectives of what is good for service uptime [19:37] mhall119: having a documented history of changes is very useful when a machine goes down [19:37] mhall119: so you know what to revert, rather then not knowing joe hacker brought in a new conf [19:37] sure is, but having to document every change to get it back up isn't [19:37] it's production [19:38] mhall119: reverting changes don't need to be noted, you can just back them out [19:38] you can make a note later, though [19:38] so joe hacker won't bork it [19:38] yeah, but it's not always that simple, the machines have data that is outside of that [19:38] mhall119: my point is, logs are useful and changes need to be documented [19:39] mhall119: you can't just ssh into a machine and start futzing with prod conf files [19:39] which they are now, through RT [19:39] 18:36 < mhall119> paultag: would you want to manage a server if every change had to go through the process of a package upload? [19:39] Yes, I would [19:39] that's the only point i'm making [19:39] and I think you agree [19:39] and yet you wouldn't want to be a sysadmin [19:39] mhall119: not at all [19:39] mhall119: I hate sysadmin work [19:40] okay, I've gotta pick up the kids from school, bbl [19:40] kk, cheers [19:41] ok, bed. [19:41] laters all. === m4n1sh_ is now known as m4n1sh === m4n1sh_ is now known as m4n1sh [20:41] jcastro, did you get kitterman sorted? [21:11] I think so [21:12] thanks [21:13] Daviey sorted it [21:13] Daviey: what did I do wrong btw, how did you fix it? [21:53] Daviey: ok let's pretend I am scheduling [21:53] and I move a session [21:53] and then i decide "wait, summit IS smarter than me" [21:54] is there a way to kick a session back to "auto" mode? [21:55] jcastro, drag it to the sidebar [21:56] oh ok [22:03] jcastro: thanks for mail will resolve [22:03] ta [22:04] thought I could run interference but ran out of KNOWLEDGE [22:04] no bother tis what we're here for [22:13] thanks jcastro [22:13] lordy lordy [22:13] paultag: I was making fun of ohio and someone totally called me out on it [22:14] jcastro: hahahahaha, what?! [22:14] jcastro: tis ok I make fun of paultag always :) [22:14] who cares enough about ohio to call you out on it? [22:14] http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/4845466334/road-tripping-with-u1-music [22:14] look at the comments [22:14] I actually feel bad, so next time I will say "note how we avoid Paultag" [22:14] Ahahahahahahaha! [22:14] that's bloody brilliant [22:15] jcastro: haha, that's great [22:15] that's what google picked [22:15] jcastro: use me at will for your ohio-hate :) [22:16] yeah I can always count on you to be a sustained level of emo [22:16] not too much, not too little [22:16] yeah, I'm the perfect level of pissed off and pessimistic [22:17] "well, you seem burned out and ready to hate everyone, I think you're ready to apply for membership" [22:17] we should call it the holbach-scale [22:17] jcastro: that's stupid, we'd never be able to get a useful metric [22:17] a 0.9 holbach would leave for sure [22:18] we should use someone usually OK [22:18] it'd be very useful, because it'd always be maxed out! [22:18] haha [22:18] I'm at about 2.32 czajkowskis [22:18] Laura is much too happy all the time [22:19] paultag: you really have not seen me this month have you buddy :) [22:19] czajkowski: this month is two days in.. your doing good so far! :-P [22:19] czajkowski: these are *averages* :) [22:20] czajkowski: a few weeks of 0.7 holbach is not going to offset years of negitive holbachs [22:20] cjohnston: ok april sucked donkey balls [22:20] dholbach is one of the most happiest guys I've ever met [22:20] nothing gets to him [22:20] he's always helpful even after looking at evil mails from sounder and stuff [22:20] not anymore! [22:21] there is nothing that makes him not happy [22:21] sounder that is [22:21] jono: are you in 11.04 and all at home and settled in? [22:21] jcastro, yep [22:21] jono: I need to guinea pg you [22:21] czajkowski: I've seen him not happy (not angry, but not happy) [22:21] jcastro, whats up? [22:21] jono: hit super, type "metallica" and tell me what you get [22:22] jcastro: kinky [22:22] uhhh [22:22] nhandler: RARE. [22:22] jcastro, a metallica image on my computer [22:22] I think we need a music lens, that is just in the main dash. [22:22] right [22:22] but what I want [22:22] is every album, and video [22:23] categorized [22:23] and when I hit enter it autoqueues up in banshee or totem [22:23] jcastro, totally [22:23] jcastro: had it with gnome-do, get it slid back in :) [22:23] paultag: right [22:23] it's like, soooooo close [22:23] paultag: how's your python? [22:23] ~350 lines, it's all I need [22:23] is there an example lens in python? [22:23] YES [22:23] jcastro: well [22:23] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unity/Lenses [22:24] jcastro: I just finished most of my package manager, and it's all in python [22:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses/Ideas [22:24] the links from the idea pages have a bunch of other lenses [22:24] also, the edubuntu.org URL brought to you by Canonical not understanding how canonical urls work. :-/ [22:24] irony. [22:24] also I have offered to fix that [22:25] I will beg someone at UDS when I see them [22:25] or just pay off edubuntu to drop the custom skin [22:25] :) [22:25] so the full working example is in vala, not python [22:25] Vala's not bad [22:25] lp:~njpatel/unity-Lens-sample/unity-Lens-youtube [22:25] is the sample [22:25] though [22:25] it's almost unsucked c [22:26] either the AU lens or the books lens is fine, as we know those work and have been around the longest [22:26] that needs to go here then: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unity/Lenses#Example Code [22:26] hmm good idea [22:27] jcastro: If you decide to go the payment route, make checks payable to Nathan Handler ;) [22:28]