[07:49] <jussi> :D :D
[08:18] <dholbach> good morning
[08:18] <jussi> good morning dholbach! Isnt it a wonderful morning? :D
[08:19] <dholbach> hi jussi
[08:19] <dholbach> yes, life's good :)
[09:02]  * kim0 makes an appearance 
[09:02] <kim0> Morning everyone :)
[09:04] <Pendulum> hiya kim0
[09:04] <kim0> Pendulum: howdy o
[09:04] <kim0> oh o/
[09:04] <kim0> missed everyone around here
[09:05] <kim0> dholbach, jussi, morning :)
[09:05] <dholbach> hi kim0
[09:05] <kim0> hey
[09:06] <dholbach> after the recent events, maybe I can take shampoo back into my carry-on luggage on Wednesday again?
[09:07] <Pendulum> dholbach: i doubt it
[09:07] <dholbach> Pendulum, me too
[09:07] <Pendulum> tbh, I bet terror watch alerts go up the next week or so
[09:07] <dholbach> yes
[09:08]  * Pendulum is glad she managed to travel before stuff happened
[09:08]  * Pendulum is also glad she isn't in the US to get upset with the people partying in the streets
[09:08] <dholbach> and they're always a good excuse for interior ministers around the world to "enhance" laws
[09:08] <Pendulum> yes
[09:09] <AlanBell> Pendulum: you will be wanting the wedding coverage back on TV now
[09:32] <jussi> Morning kim0
[09:33] <kim0> hey :)
[09:35] <nigelb> Morning
[09:36] <nigelb> So I finally submited my visa application today.
[09:36] <nigelb> I'm still not sure when I'll get it back. I have to call the consulate general and beg today :\
[09:37] <Daviey> :o
[09:42] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:43] <czajkowski> Daviey: poke
[09:47] <Daviey> czajkowski: o/
[09:50] <cjohnston> mornin
[09:54] <huats> morning
[11:44] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:45] <duanedesign> nigelb: you think they would know by now. 'its been 6 months time to get nigel's visa ready' :)
[11:46] <duanedesign> popey: ping
[11:47] <nigelb> duanedesign: heh
[11:57] <duanedesign> popey: unping :) I found it
[12:08] <popey> :)
[12:08] <popey> I consider myself unpung
[12:08] <czajkowski> popey: did you ever have any luck with the mini?
[12:09]  * popey looks at it sat on his desk
[12:09]  * popey notes the reminder 
[12:09] <popey> sorry
[12:10] <czajkowski> nah bother
[12:10] <popey> you sure you dont want 11.04 on it?
[12:10] <czajkowski> popey: if you cna get it working on it I don't mind
[12:10] <czajkowski> ;)
[12:10] <popey> win
[12:14] <popey> czajkowski: is there any data on this thing?
[12:14] <czajkowski> nope
[12:15] <popey> it is rather cute
[12:15] <popey> looks tiny compared to all the other stuff on my desk
[12:15] <czajkowski> it is :)
[12:15]  * czajkowski misses Gorgamon 
[12:15] <popey> will that be the hostname?
[12:15] <czajkowski> I think one of the usb ports is dead
[12:15] <czajkowski> aye
[12:15] <popey> ok
[12:15] <popey> noted
[12:17] <popey> oo 2GB RAM, sweet
[12:17] <popey> is that an SSD or spinny disk?
[12:18] <czajkowski> hmmm
[12:18] <czajkowski> off hsnd cannot remember
[12:18] <czajkowski> i know spec had ssd in ot
[12:20] <popey> wow, torrent flying
[12:20] <czajkowski> :D
[12:22] <popey> 60 peers, 2.13MB.s
[12:34] <akgraner> HI all can you all let folks know by denting tweeting etc that Ubuntu Open Week Starts today.  http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/05/02/ubuntu-open-week-may-2-6-2011/
[12:36] <popey> czajkowski: all the usb ports work fine
[12:37] <kim0> done https://twitter.com/#!/ak_kim0/status/65016905936801792
[12:37] <popey> done
[12:37] <czajkowski> popey: oh
[12:37] <akgraner> kim0 thanks!
[12:37] <popey> just tested with the mouse dongle
[12:40] <czajkowski> popey: ohhh :D
[12:40] <czajkowski> I may have a skype working machine again :D
[12:46] <popey> akgraner: pimped to ubuntu-users and my loco team
[12:47] <akgraner> popey, thanks!
[12:48] <akgraner> hey whomever can help jcastro and I today for open week would be great.  I have a couple more things that have to be done today, nigelb is busy and so are most of the other classroom folks (bad timing with life stuff all the way around)
[12:55] <mhall119> morning
[15:00] <akgraner> jcastro, ping
[15:01] <akgraner> you ready to kick off Ubuntu Open Week?
[15:18] <cjohnston> jcastro/ Daviey , is there anything else that needs to be done to summit to have it ready?
[15:23] <jcastro> I think we're all set
[15:35] <cjohnston> cool
[15:36] <czajkowski> my new motto
[15:36] <czajkowski> "There's no sense crying over every mistake; you just keep on trying until you run out of cake."
[15:41] <Pici> Just play portal?
[15:41] <czajkowski> nope :)
[15:41] <czajkowski> bf does that i listen to it
[15:41] <Pici> Ah. Tis a good song.
[15:43] <czajkowski> I like random comments from it
[15:43] <vish> Pici: http://twitter.com/#!/OldFunnyJoker/status/65007092209168385 ;p
[16:05] <jcastro> james_w`: around?
[16:06] <jcastro> james_w`: I tried adding scottk - "kitterman" in summit to give him the ability to schedule kubuntu sessions
[16:06] <jcastro> he's in the right lp group as he can see all the right stuff in launchpad
[16:06] <jcastro> but he doesn't see "Edit" on his grid
[16:06] <dholbach> hey jono
[16:06] <jono> hey dholbach
[16:07] <jcastro> jono: Can I delay our call by like 10 minutes today? I finish off a session right at 2 and I need a bit to prepare
[16:09] <jono> jcastro, no worries
[16:11] <jcastro> jono: can you approve some BPs today?
[16:11] <jcastro> we're like, soooo close to done
[16:11] <jono> jcastro, sure
[16:31] <jcastro> Technoviking: in 3 years he'll want a car
[16:35] <Technoviking> jcastro: he is taking donations for it, He wants an Audi R8
[16:35] <joey> jcastro: asac said you can have the extra plenary slot
[16:35] <Technoviking> and he is getting a POS with good brakes, good seatbelts, and good airbags:)
[16:37] <jcastro> joey: yeah 14:45 tuesday
[16:38] <jcastro> Daviey: james_w`: if anyone has any idea why I can't get lp "kitterman" the ability to edit the schedule even though I put him in the right group in the admin interface, that would be awesome
[16:38] <joey> jcastro: will there be another scheduler run that will move any of the automatically scheduled sessions? if not, I need to do some rearranging
[16:38] <jcastro> joey: it runs every hour
[16:38] <jcastro> but it doesn't shuffle them every hour
[16:39] <jcastro> it just adds the new ones
[16:39] <jcastro> and yes, you can start conflict resolving sessions
[16:39] <jcastro> once you touch them summit won't mess with them
[16:39] <joey> jcastro: hmm ok. I have a situation where someone is only attending from wed onwards and their sessions in which they are required are scheduled for Monday
[16:39] <AlanBell> the ARM Linus Interface sessions are all the wrong order it seems
[16:41] <joey> james_w`: available as a second pair of eyes?
[16:42] <joey> james_w`: I'm going to  nuke what seems like an extraneous PM BOF in Kacinzy on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/2011-05-10/
[16:42] <joey> james_w`: and move the session to the place holder also on that day at 11
[16:44] <joey> well, done anyway
[16:56] <joey> jcastro: how do I delete items off the sidebar?
[16:56] <joey> jcastro: specifically those power management bofs :-)
[16:56] <joey> that you scheduled
[16:58] <dholbach> jono, 2m? :)
[16:59] <jcastro> joey: you need to click admin up top
[16:59] <jcastro> and click on meetings
[16:59] <jcastro> and find them by hand and delete them
[16:59] <jcastro> joey: yeah sorry, kind of crappy
[17:01] <jono> dholbach, I hasve it scheduled for 30m time
[17:01] <jono> dholbach, I can't talk right now, on a call
[17:02] <dholbach> jono, oopsie - you're right :)
[17:02] <dholbach> nevermind
[17:29] <jono> dholbach, all set?
[17:29] <dholbach> let's go
[17:43] <nigelb> o/
[17:43] <nigelb> jono: Can I have 5 mins of your time later today?
[17:51] <dholbach> ok my friends - calling it a day
[17:51] <dholbach> have a great day - see you tomorrow
[18:18] <mhall119> nigelb: what's the word on your visa?
[18:24] <mhall119> wow, Read Feeder goes a lot faster when I enable dirty reads
[18:24] <mhall119> maybe this is a sign that I should move it to postgres
[18:30] <joey> jcastro: Hi, re Mounir's email. I edited the meeting to be 2 slots but it doesn't show up as that now. Ideas on how to proceed?
[18:53] <paultag> oh ffs
[18:53] <paultag> I just upgraded to natty, totally borked my install
[18:53] <paultag> unity, ffffuuu-
[18:53] <paultag> and ubuntu "classic" is just as broken. I'm stoked
[18:54] <AlanBell> try unity-2d
[18:55] <paultag> AlanBell: that's not the problem
[18:55] <paultag> AlanBell: I have a secondary screen to the left of my normal screen
[18:55] <paultag> AlanBell: so the super-useful unity bar is in a really hard to use place
[18:55] <paultag> so it just sucks up space
[18:56] <AlanBell> yup
[18:56] <paultag> oh, and it won't work on my seecond monitor
[18:56] <paultag> because I use xrandr to rotate the screen
[18:56] <paultag> so they're two X instances, so the secondary screen can't be used
[18:56] <paultag> at all
[18:56] <AlanBell> get a new desk is apparently the correct answer to that problem
[18:56] <paultag> that's just so false :)
[18:56] <paultag> so, time to switch back to debian
[18:56] <AlanBell> popey will be along shortly for your exit interview
[18:56] <popey> :D
[18:58] <paultag> :)
[18:58] <paultag> I'm going to pull a 1990s linux user and switch to gnome2x or fluxbox
[19:00] <nigelb> AlanBell: heh
[19:04] <nigelb> jcastro, mhall119: other than etherpad fix, anything that *has* to happen pre UDS?
[19:04] <paultag> ugh, super+scroll is not working either
[19:05] <AlanBell> paultag: yeah, that is annoying
[19:05] <nigelb> paultag: blame jcastro or blame popey :p
[19:05] <jcastro> nigelb: waiting on IS, and tbh I've been slammed since ... 9am and haven't had lunch, I haven't even had a chance to check with IS
[19:05] <popey> \o/
[19:05] <nigelb> jcastro: ouch. *hugs*
[19:05] <jcastro> Daviey: did they reply to the RT?
[19:07] <Daviey> jcastro: no
[19:08] <paultag> AlanBell: aye
[19:08] <paultag> nigelb: I'll blame jcastro
[19:08] <paultag> jcastro: RT is useless, kthx :)
[19:09] <nigelb> paultag: heh, popey is universal blame person :p
[19:09] <nigelb> paultag: Also I suspect internal RT :)
[19:10] <jcastro> jono: ok all set, fire up the skypes at your convenience
[19:11] <paultag> if marky-mark spent cash on making a new bug tracker (launchpad), why would you not use that?
[19:11] <paultag> RT is so kludgey
[19:11] <jono> jcastro, cool, give me a few mins
[19:11] <mhall119> nigelb: your attendence
[19:11] <Daviey> RT is massively better than LP for Request Tracking.
[19:12] <paultag> Daviey: rt@ubuntu never gets checked, we keep getting complaints from loco teams
[19:12] <paultag> Daviey: I've never had anything fixed via RT
[19:12] <mhall119> paultag: rt != bug
[19:12] <Daviey> paultag: and how is that related to it being 'kludgey'/
[19:12] <Daviey> ?
[19:12] <mhall119> if launchpad had a proper ticket tracker, then they could use it
[19:12] <paultag> mhall119: green != blue, too :)
[19:13] <paultag> Daviey: it's not well integrated, it's always flaky and it has a ton of quirks
[19:13] <Daviey> mhall119: TBH, there are a tonne of things i would ike LP to do, before doing that.
[19:13] <mhall119> Daviey: me too
[19:13] <Daviey> paultag: such as?
[19:13] <mhall119> I'm just saying, no matter how awesome launchpad is for bug tracking, that doesn't make it useful for ticket tracking
[19:14] <paultag> Daviey: I'm not going to go through and gripe RT for hours, I have actual work to do -- just use it for a while, the workflow and interface is half-baked
[19:14] <mhall119> personally, I do all my rt's through email
[19:14] <nigelb> mhall119: heh, besides that :p
[19:14] <Daviey> paultag: I'm not looking for hours of your time, i am looking for a few specific examples.
[19:14] <Daviey> mhall119: me aswell :)
[19:15] <mhall119> I've seen nicer, open sourced ticket trackers in the past
[19:15] <paultag> Daviey: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Search/Build.html <-- powerful, but wayyy too much, and lots of stuff I don't care about
[19:16] <mhall119> I think RT is around simply because it's already around, and does well enough that nobody who can change it wants to change it
[19:16] <paultag> mhall119: yes
[19:17] <AlanBell> osticket is nicer, but the technology is not the problem
[19:17] <paultag> not at all
[19:17] <paultag> we have loco tickets over 3 years old
[19:19] <mhall119> maybe IS can look at placing more of the responsibility for handling LoCo tickets onto the LC ;)
[19:19]  * Daviey uses django-helpdesk.
[19:19] <paultag> mhall119: yes, please
[19:19] <paultag> mhall119: if we had a way to manage the basics it would be good
[19:20] <paultag> because we end up blocking on IS
[19:20] <paultag> and i'm sure IS blocks on us
[19:21] <AlanBell> I am a bit worried about the prospect of IS building an etherpad server within a week on a ticket they have not yet responded to
[19:22] <paultag> mm
[19:22] <AlanBell> especially as they are still busy upgrading that wiki server!
[19:23] <popey> mmm
[19:23] <popey> no reply on that for a while :(
[19:23] <AlanBell> by the Natty release was the last expected date as I recall
[19:24] <pleia2> in their last update "I expect us to have at least a test environment for wiki.ubuntu.com up near Natty release time"
[19:24] <paultag> shame
[19:24] <pleia2> not sure if they have that test environment up yet
[19:24] <pleia2> but they haven't asked for testers yet, so I'm guessing ot
[19:24] <paultag> it's sad no one from IS is in the community
[19:24] <pleia2> not
[19:24] <nigelb> can we do it the other way around?
[19:24] <paultag> you'd think with so many sysadmin ubuntu members...
[19:24] <nigelb> nominate someone from community to help them?
[19:25] <nigelb> or have a team that can help them?
[19:25] <nigelb> I would join in such a team.
[19:25] <paultag> I'm unemployed
[19:25] <AlanBell> so would I
[19:25] <AlanBell> I have specifically offered to go fix the wiki
[19:25] <nigelb> Can someone raise this at UDS? to the IS team specifically?
[19:26] <paultag> AlanBell: but us, as crazy irresponsible project members have no access to the servers
[19:26] <paultag> not that everyone should cowboy over
[19:26] <paultag> but at least it could be a matter of just saying OK
[19:26] <paultag> rather then hoops
[19:26] <pleia2> I'm afraid the painful memory of what happened the last time community members managed canonical servers is probably still lurking
[19:27] <paultag> pleia2: be like debian, sign usage policy, and dis-member anyone who violates it
[19:27] <pleia2> the press on that was BAD and Ubuntu is even bigger now
[19:27] <pleia2> paultag: sure, but I do see where they are coming from
[19:28] <paultag> pleia2: as do I, I just disagree :)
[19:28] <nigelb> pleia2: what happened?
[19:29] <pleia2> nigelb: loco servers used to be community managed and people could install whatever they wanted, so there was lots of bad php code, insecurities abounded, they got hacked
[19:29] <popey> As I recall someone from the community DID help IS
[19:29] <mhall119> I've been advocating for Ubuntu to either host an internal cloud, or buy some number of instances from Amazon or Rackspace, and let community projects manage their own instances
[19:29] <popey> then canonical recruited them
[19:29] <nigelb> pleia2: ouch.
[19:30] <paultag> I don't care about being recruited
[19:30] <Pici> popey: jpds?
[19:30] <popey> yes
[19:30] <paultag> we just need someone to interface IS with commuinity
[19:30] <nigelb> My point is only this. If IS is overloaded with work, we'd like to help.
[19:30] <nigelb> If canonical doesn't have enough servers for test environment, I'm willing to volunteer server/time
[19:31] <nigelb> As will many of the community
[19:31] <paultag> i'll be frank
[19:31] <paultag> until I know IS would actually ACK the team, I would not volunteer anything
[19:31] <pleia2> it's not about enough servers, they are rewriting some of the code for launchpad integration and it's tricky stuff
[19:31] <paultag> my guess is they are afraid of us undercutting them
[19:31] <nigelb> pleia2: I know
[19:33] <popey> i doubt that paultag
[19:33] <popey> kit isnt something they're short of
[19:33] <popey> manpower to do the work is
[19:33] <mhall119> like any good sysadmin, they don't want to give anybody control over the boxes in their care
[19:33] <nigelb> heh
[19:33] <paultag> mhall119: right
[19:33] <paultag> and I think that's a matter of not bing in the community, or trusting us with a box
[19:34] <paultag> not that I want more work
[19:34] <mhall119> paultag: I think, from a sysadmin's perspective, being in the community wouldn't change much
[19:34] <paultag> or access to anything
[19:34] <paultag> mhall119: if you trust someone to upload a new version of bash to every single ubuntu machine running, why would you not trust them on the machine?
[19:35] <mhall119> there's also an old story about car mechanics charging twice as much if you want to "help" them
[19:35] <nigelb> heh
[19:35] <nigelb> because the work gets over in half the time?
[19:35] <nigelb> :p
[19:36] <pleia2> it takes a significant investment of time to introduce a new sysadmin helper to the infrastructure, policies and procedures of a system
[19:36] <mhall119> paultag: would you want to manage a server if every change had to go through the process of a package upload?
[19:36] <paultag> mhall119: yes, and it would be good to document things
[19:37] <paultag> mhall119: if, of course, I actually wanted to do IT work
[19:37] <paultag> wich I don't
[19:37] <mhall119> see, I think you and they just have different perspectives of what is good for service uptime
[19:37] <paultag> mhall119: having a documented history of changes is very useful when a machine goes down
[19:37] <paultag> mhall119: so you know what to revert, rather then not knowing joe hacker brought in a new conf
[19:37] <mhall119> sure is, but having to document every change to get it back up isn't
[19:37] <paultag> it's production
[19:38] <paultag> mhall119: reverting changes don't need to be noted, you can just back them out
[19:38] <paultag> you can make a note later, though
[19:38] <paultag> so joe hacker won't bork it
[19:38] <mhall119> yeah, but it's not always that simple, the machines have data that is outside of that
[19:38] <paultag> mhall119: my point is, logs are useful and changes need to be documented
[19:39] <paultag> mhall119: you can't just ssh into a machine and start futzing with prod conf files
[19:39] <mhall119> which they are now, through RT
[19:39] <paultag> 18:36 < mhall119> paultag: would you want to manage a server if every change had to go through the process of a package upload?
[19:39] <paultag> Yes, I would
[19:39] <paultag> that's the only point i'm making
[19:39] <paultag> and I think you agree
[19:39] <mhall119> and yet you wouldn't want to be a sysadmin
[19:39] <paultag> mhall119: not at all
[19:39] <paultag> mhall119: I hate sysadmin work
[19:40] <mhall119> okay, I've gotta pick up the kids from school, bbl
[19:40] <paultag> kk, cheers
[19:41] <nigelb> ok, bed.
[19:41] <nigelb> laters all.
[20:41] <james_w`> jcastro, did you get kitterman sorted?
[21:11] <jcastro> I think so
[21:12] <james_w`> thanks
[21:13] <jcastro> Daviey sorted it
[21:13] <jcastro> Daviey: what did I do wrong btw, how did you fix it?
[21:53] <jcastro> Daviey: ok let's pretend I am scheduling
[21:53] <jcastro> and I move a session
[21:53] <jcastro> and then i decide "wait, summit IS smarter than me"
[21:54] <jcastro> is there a way to kick a session back to "auto" mode?
[21:55] <james_w`> jcastro, drag it to the sidebar
[21:56] <jcastro> oh ok
[22:03] <czajkowski> jcastro: thanks for mail will resolve
[22:03] <jcastro> ta
[22:04] <jcastro> thought I could run interference but ran out of KNOWLEDGE
[22:04] <czajkowski> no bother tis what we're here for
[22:13] <paultag> thanks jcastro
[22:13] <paultag> lordy lordy
[22:13] <jcastro> paultag: I was making fun of ohio and someone totally called me out on it
[22:14] <paultag> jcastro: hahahahaha, what?!
[22:14] <czajkowski> jcastro: tis ok I make fun of paultag always :)
[22:14] <paultag> who cares enough about ohio to call you out on it?
[22:14] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/4845466334/road-tripping-with-u1-music
[22:14] <jcastro> look at the comments
[22:14] <jcastro> I actually feel bad, so next time I will say "note how we avoid Paultag"
[22:14] <paultag> Ahahahahahahaha!
[22:14] <paultag> that's bloody brilliant
[22:15] <paultag> jcastro: haha, that's great
[22:15] <jcastro> that's what google picked
[22:15] <paultag> jcastro: use me at will for your ohio-hate :)
[22:16] <jcastro> yeah I can always count on you to be a sustained level of emo
[22:16] <jcastro> not too much, not too little
[22:16] <paultag> yeah, I'm the perfect level of pissed off and pessimistic
[22:17] <jcastro> "well, you seem burned out and ready to hate everyone, I think you're ready to apply for membership"
[22:17] <jcastro> we should call it the holbach-scale
[22:17] <paultag> jcastro: that's stupid, we'd never be able to get a useful metric
[22:17] <paultag> a 0.9 holbach would leave for sure
[22:18] <paultag> we should use someone usually OK
[22:18] <jcastro> it'd be very useful, because it'd always be maxed out!
[22:18] <jcastro> haha
[22:18] <paultag> I'm at about 2.32 czajkowskis
[22:18] <paultag> Laura is much too happy all the time
[22:19] <czajkowski> paultag: you really have not seen me this month have you buddy :)
[22:19] <cjohnston> czajkowski: this month is two days in.. your doing good so far! :-P
[22:19] <paultag> czajkowski: these are *averages* :)
[22:20] <paultag> czajkowski: a few weeks of 0.7 holbach is not going to offset years of negitive holbachs
[22:20] <czajkowski> cjohnston: ok april sucked donkey balls
[22:20] <czajkowski> dholbach is one of the most happiest guys I've ever met
[22:20] <czajkowski> nothing gets to him
[22:20] <czajkowski> he's always helpful even after looking at evil mails from sounder and stuff
[22:20] <paultag> not anymore!
[22:21] <czajkowski> there is nothing that makes him not happy
[22:21] <paultag> sounder that is
[22:21] <jcastro> jono: are you in 11.04 and all at home and settled in?
[22:21] <jono> jcastro, yep
[22:21] <jcastro> jono: I need to guinea pg you
[22:21] <nhandler> czajkowski: I've seen him not happy (not angry, but not happy)
[22:21] <jono> jcastro, whats up?
[22:21] <jcastro> jono: hit super, type "metallica" and tell me what you get
[22:22] <paultag> jcastro: kinky
[22:22] <cjohnston> uhhh
[22:22] <czajkowski> nhandler: RARE.
[22:22] <jono> jcastro, a metallica image on my computer
[22:22] <jcastro> I think we need a music lens, that is just in the main dash.
[22:22] <jcastro> right
[22:22] <jcastro> but what I want
[22:22] <jcastro> is every album, and video
[22:23] <jcastro> categorized
[22:23] <jcastro> and when I hit enter it autoqueues up in banshee or totem
[22:23] <jono> jcastro, totally
[22:23] <paultag> jcastro: had it with gnome-do, get it slid back in :)
[22:23] <jcastro> paultag: right
[22:23] <jcastro> it's like, soooooo close
[22:23] <jcastro> paultag: how's your python?
[22:23] <jcastro> ~350 lines, it's all I need
[22:23] <AlanBell> is there an example lens in python?
[22:23] <jcastro> YES
[22:23] <paultag> jcastro: well
[22:23] <jcastro> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unity/Lenses
[22:24] <paultag> jcastro: I just finished most of my package manager, and it's all in python
[22:24] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses/Ideas
[22:24] <jcastro> the links from the idea pages have a bunch of other lenses
[22:24] <jcastro> also, the edubuntu.org URL brought to you by Canonical not understanding how canonical urls work. :-/
[22:24] <jcastro> irony.
[22:24] <AlanBell> also I have offered to fix that
[22:25] <jcastro> I will beg someone at UDS when I see them
[22:25] <jcastro> or just pay off edubuntu to drop the custom skin
[22:25] <jcastro> :)
[22:25] <AlanBell> so the full working example is in vala, not python
[22:25] <paultag> Vala's not bad
[22:25] <jcastro> lp:~njpatel/unity-Lens-sample/unity-Lens-youtube
[22:25] <jcastro> is the sample
[22:25] <jcastro> though
[22:25] <paultag> it's almost unsucked c
[22:26] <jcastro> either the AU lens or the books lens is fine, as we know those work and have been around the longest
[22:26] <AlanBell> that needs to go here then: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unity/Lenses#Example Code
[22:26] <jcastro> hmm good idea
[22:27] <nhandler> jcastro: If you decide to go the payment route, make checks payable to Nathan Handler ;)
[22:28] <AlanBell> and it is lp:~njpatel/unity-place-sample/unity-place-youtube
[22:28] <AlanBell> jcastro: so you pulled that from a page where someone did a find and replace on place/lens
[22:31] <jcastro> AlanBell: yes, I got John Lea'ed
[22:31] <AlanBell> really should have branched that on a machine running unity
[22:31] <jcastro> he was like "oh, these aren't places anymore" so he searched and replaced one day
[22:31] <jcastro> and totally boned the page up
[22:31] <jcastro> but I think I got most of the errors, and kamstrup double checked
[22:31] <AlanBell> and it is vala!!
[22:32] <jcastro> AlanBell: in code there's references to Places still
[22:32] <paultag> jcastro: man, unity really borked up my desktop
[22:32] <paultag> jcastro: I'm bummed
[22:32] <jcastro> it's really only lenses on the user visible part
[22:32] <jcastro> paultag: too awesome for you? yeah, there's a if==username paul or whatever
[22:32] <jcastro> paultag: what's the problem?
[22:32] <jcastro> AlanBell: the "places" term will be totally excised in 11.10
[22:32] <AlanBell> sure
[22:33] <AlanBell> ok, so is the books lens python?
[22:33] <jcastro> yes
[22:33] <jcastro> it's actually awesome
[22:33] <jcastro> you type dune, and hit enter
[22:33] <paultag> jcastro: my secondary monitor is on the left of my primary -- so the unity funbar is useless, and no way to change it to the right hand side. Also, it fails for two X sessions (each monitor is it's own X11 session) because I have to rotate the screen
[22:33] <jcastro> and it returns the book
[22:33] <jcastro> paultag: that's a top bug for neil
[22:33] <paultag> jcastro: so I can't use my second monitor and the unity funbar is borked up
[22:33] <jcastro> he's on it for an SRU
[22:33] <paultag> jcastro: which one?
[22:33] <jcastro> I got lucky, RightOf baby!
[22:33] <paultag> hehe
[22:33] <jcastro> I don't know about your xsession thing
[22:33] <jcastro> that you might have to file a bug on
[22:34] <jcastro> I'm on twinview
[22:34] <paultag> twinview is fine, but I have to use XRandR
[22:34] <paultag> so I can't use twinview
[22:34] <paultag> so the secondary is useless
[22:34] <popey> why do you rotate your screen?
[22:34] <popey> out of interest
[22:34] <jcastro> I have found that anytime rotating a screen is involved
[22:34] <jcastro> there is pain
[22:35] <paultag> popey: it's the one I use to stick either docs on (so I don't have to scroll up and down), and since I stick to code being 80 lines wide, I waste a lot on a longways screen
[22:35] <paultag> jcastro: it's been fine for me
[22:35] <jcastro> I tried to go portrait/portrait once and got total fail
[22:35] <popey> ahh
[22:35] <paultag> jcastro: until unity ;)
[22:35] <cjohnston> I got my inbox down from 900 to 100!
[22:35] <popey> Select All -> Archive.
[22:35] <popey> Job done.
[22:35] <jcastro> paultag: ok file that one and link me up and I'll have someone triage it
[22:35] <paultag> cjohnston: got down to inbox2 yesterday. I'm back up to over 100
[22:35] <paultag> jcastro: thanks brotato
[22:35] <jcastro> multimonitor is supposed to be feature parity with gnome 2.x
[22:35]  * popey is on inbox 3576
[22:35] <cjohnston> lol
[22:35] <jcastro> which unfortunately isn't awesome
[22:36] <jcastro> but for 11.10 it should be much nicer
[22:36] <paultag> jcastro: gnome 2x works fine
[22:36] <AlanBell> yay, python
[22:36] <jcastro> right, we're supposed to be at least as ok as gnome 2x is for multimonitor
[22:36] <paultag> ahh
[22:36] <popey> hmm, i have just noticed something
[22:36] <paultag> but since there's not alt+f2 as it's own app anymore, the funrun pops up on the primary monitor, but won't spawn on the secondary
[22:36] <popey> press Super+A
[22:36] <popey> you get the applications lens thing
[22:37] <popey> press escape
[22:37] <popey> and as the application one disappears, you can see dash under it
[22:37] <popey> massive banshee icon gives it away
[22:37] <popey> only for a split second
[22:37] <paultag> popey: ahhh I see it
[22:37] <paultag> popey: hehehe, cute
[22:38] <popey> luckily I am recording the screen at the same time
[22:38] <popey> so i have video evidence of this
[22:38] <jcastro> oh nice
[22:38] <cjohnston> down to 11 paultag
[22:38] <jcastro> I can't see that, link me up when it's ready
[22:38] <paultag> cjohnston: woo
[22:38] <jcastro> AlanBell: so since we're talking about lenses
[22:38] <paultag> jcastro: it's a *split* second
[22:38] <jcastro> someone needs to do a terminal lens
[22:38] <paultag> jcastro: not even
[22:38] <jcastro> so basically it'd be just like quake
[22:38] <paultag> re: terminal lens: that's a *bear*
[22:39] <paultag> there's no easy way to do it. duanedesign might know a bit better
[22:39] <jcastro> no way bro, shove a VTE widget in there
[22:39] <jcastro> jason (dbo) said that was easy
[22:39] <jcastro> but then again that might be relative
[22:39] <paultag> jcastro: I thought there was no good VTE widget
[22:40] <jcastro> or maintained? :)
[22:40] <paultag> truth
[22:40] <jcastro> hmm so check this out paultag, bear with me
[22:40] <jcastro> you have the nice big input window
[22:40] <jcastro> so I say, do the terminal a new way, keep the field up top
[22:40] <jcastro> but the rest of the terminal is below in the dash
[22:41] <paultag> jcastro: I mean, that's a solid idea
[22:41] <paultag> jcastro: I dig
[22:41] <paultag> jcastro: readline might fuck stuff up
[22:41] <paultag> jcastro: for sudo commands and stuff
[22:41] <paultag> but other then that, sounds cool
[22:41] <jcastro> ok so stop reinventing apt, let's roll
[22:41] <popey> lol
[22:42] <jcastro> I wonder if the guake guys can figure it out
[22:42] <jcastro> I should just send them a mail
[22:42] <popey> i love that ffmpeg is multicore now
[22:42] <popey> seeing ffmpeg eat 200% CPU is _great_
[22:44] <jcastro> paultag: I'll mock something up and just mail the guake guys
[22:48] <Technoviking> anyone else using a dnssd wireless printer?
[22:50] <popey> jcastro / paultag see bug 775925
[22:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 775925 in unity "Dash appears momentarily after a lens closes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775925
[22:50] <popey> attached an mp4 (sorry) ogv was all messed up
[22:55] <paultag> jcastro: for sure
[22:55] <jcastro> OMG.
[22:55] <jcastro> paultag:
[22:55] <paultag> jcastro: just be careful about the readline
[22:55] <paultag> jcastro: what's up :)
[22:55] <jcastro> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/terminal-lens.png
[22:55] <jcastro> dude, HOT
[22:56] <jcastro> but you'd have to make the byobu stuff realize it's running in a lens
[22:56] <jcastro> and go "light mode"
[22:57] <popey> lol@popey.sh
[22:57] <jcastro> popey: that's the encoding script you gave me
[22:58] <popey> :D
[22:59] <paultag> jcastro: nice :)
[22:59] <paultag> jcastro: that's a mockup, yeah?
[23:00] <popey> i like that he has a README in his home
[23:00] <paultag> hahaha
[23:00] <popey> but yes, i would like a terminal lens
[23:00] <paultag> I love `lowgirl'
[23:00] <paultag> you  just have to be super careful
[23:00] <paultag> stuff like sudo passwords are not great to put in big font :)
[23:00] <jcastro> I am mailing some people who are terminal smart.
[23:00] <jcastro> no dude, the prompt would be in the window
[23:00] <jcastro> and entering it would just be ******
[23:01] <paultag> I'm thinking you'd have to rehack up the VTE let you do that
[23:01] <paultag> but totally doable
[23:03] <paultag> jcastro: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/775934
[23:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 775934 in unity "Secondary screen (running with two X11 sessions, not twinview) can not start applications" [Undecided,New]
[23:03] <paultag> I could triage it, but it's looked down upon :)
[23:03]  * popey looks down upon paultag 
[23:04] <paultag> popey: :)
[23:04] <jcastro> I'll holla at someone on DX tomorrow
[23:04] <paultag> jcastro: thanks mang. Can we also get the documentation to officially call the alt+f2 run a command menu the `funrun' menu?
[23:04] <jcastro> hah
[23:04] <paultag> makes it more cheerful
[23:05] <paultag> I mean, who can get mad at the funrun menu?
[23:05] <paultag> No one, that's who
[23:05] <jcastro> I dig it
[23:05] <jcastro> that's how "love handles" got their name
[23:05] <paultag> hahaha
[23:06] <paultag> I'm bummed there's no expo either