[01:53] <TheMuso> Woa! Oneiric open already. That was quick./
[01:55] <lifeless> how long would you like it to take?
[02:00] <TheMuso> I don't care how long it takes  or how short a time it takes, I'm just used to it being half a week or so.
[02:01] <jbicha> yeah I'm used it to taking a few days but it was open within hours of release
[03:33] <TheMuso> RAOF: When you use tmpfs for sbuild, do you give any particular mount options for the tmpfs filesystem?
[03:34] <RAOF> TheMuso: “none on /var/lib/schroot/union/tmpfs-overlay type tmpfs (rw)”.  So, no :)
[03:34] <RAOF> TheMuso: Are you seeing some problem?
[03:34] <TheMuso> RAOF: Ah ok, you use a unionfs setup for it as well?
[03:35] <TheMuso> RAOF: No, I'm looking to set it up.
[03:35] <RAOF> TheMuso: Yeah.  aufs merges the chroot underlay and the tmpfs overlay.
[03:35] <TheMuso> Now that I have more RAM in my desktop, I can use some of it for fast building.
[03:35] <RAOF> :)
[03:35] <TheMuso> RAOF: Is there a guide on how to do this somewhere?
[03:36] <RAOF> TheMuso: Not that I'm aware of, no.
[03:36] <TheMuso> Ah ok
[03:37] <RAOF> http://paste.ubuntu.com/602092/ is my relevant sbuild-natty-amd64 snippet in /etc/schroot/chroot.d
[03:37] <TheMuso> ah ok thanks
[03:37] <RAOF> The top entry is exactly what mk-sbuild produces, the subsequent entries are that + customisations.
[03:40] <TheMuso> SO which one of the tmpfs ones do you use, or do you use all of them?
[03:51] <RAOF> I use all of them.
[03:52] <RAOF> There are basically two variants there; natty-amd64 and natty-local-amd64, and both of those has a tmpfs and non-tmpfs config.
[03:52] <RAOF> natty-amd64 is simple.  natty-local-amd64 is natty-amd64 + a local repository of my build output, which makes it nice for X transitions.
[03:55] <TheMuso> ok thought as much.,
[03:55] <TheMuso> I am going to leverage this a little differently.
[03:55] <TheMuso> A combination of tmpfs overlay, or LVM snapshots.
[03:56] <RAOF> Yeah.
[03:56] <RAOF> Incidentally, if you're interested in local-packages, it just containst http://paste.ubuntu.com/602098/ as fstab and http://paste.ubuntu.com/602099/ as config
[03:57] <TheMuso> oh ok thanks.
[03:57] <TheMuso> I think mk-sbuild-lv needs to be extended to do all this stuff I think.
[03:59] <RAOF> Yeah, probably.
[03:59] <RAOF> Now that I *look* at local-packages it's entirely possible to make mk-sbuild-lv do a tmpfs overlay really easily.
[04:00] <RAOF> Build-against-built-packages is a little bit more difficult, as it requires bind-mounting the build output directory somewhere.
[04:00] <TheMuso> Yep.
[04:01] <TheMuso> Probably recommending/checking that the user has minimum 2GB RAM, maybe more.
[04:06] <TheMuso> Hoowaaahh! THis kicks LVM snapshots to the curbe and back 5 times over. :)
[04:06] <TheMuso> s/c
[04:13] <TheMuso> I guess my only other question is whether the RAM allocated to tmpfs can be used for other things if needed without having to unmount the tmpfs.
[04:13] <TheMuso> But a good google should answer that.
[04:15] <TheMuso> Ah, dynamically allocated.
[04:15] <TheMuso> Thats good.
[04:17] <RAOF> It'll by default only grow to 50% of your total ram.  That can be a bit annoying.
[04:17] <TheMuso> Yeah I see that. Well my desktop and new thinkpad both have 8GB, so I don't think that will be a problem for a while.
[04:18] <TheMuso> I also plan to set up VMs for some various testing a11y wise, so that RAM will be gobbled up in various ways in time.
[04:18] <RAOF> Yeah, and you're not building mesa or the kernel.
[04:18] <TheMuso> Yup.
[04:19] <RAOF> For sufficiently small things (most of the mono packages we have) I've benchmarked building on tmpfs to be ~3 times faster than the lvm snapshot route.  dpkg really, *really* likes unpacking on a tmpfs :)
[04:20] <TheMuso> I noticed.
[04:20] <TheMuso> Eatmydata, eat your heart out.
[04:20]  * micahg has had fun with /dev/shm and seamonkey/xulrunner
[04:22] <RAOF> Oh, hey.  That ubuntu-dev-tools branch moving mk-sbuild chroots into chroot.d hasn't landed?
[04:25] <TheMuso> chroot.d?
[04:25] <TheMuso> Is that something new that schroot supports? If so, very nice.
[04:25] <TheMuso> Anyway, oneiric and natty chroots set up for tmpfs overlay support for now.
[04:26] <RAOF> Yeah.
[04:28] <RAOF> Oooh, and that branch properly supports debian-experimental?  Yes please.
[04:28] <TheMuso> RAOF: You should have the privs to review/merge that right?
[04:29]  * TheMuso -> lunch
[04:29] <RAOF> Let's see.
[06:29] <TheMuso> RAOF: Thought you had the privs to do that. :)
[06:29] <TheMuso> Since you are an ubuntu-dev.
[06:29] <RAOF> Yup.
[06:29] <RAOF> Turns out I do :)
[06:32] <pitti> Good morning
[06:32]  * pitti waves from Augsburg
[06:33] <TheMuso> Hey pitti./
[06:33] <cdbs> hi pitti
[06:34] <RAOF> Hey pitti :)
[06:34] <pitti> it's nice to unpack boxes for a change :)
[06:35] <cdbs> TheMuso: Facing problems with integrating SpamAssassin in mailman?
[06:35] <TheMuso> cdbs: No, I just wish that the canonical list servers were better integrated with spam asassin.
[06:36] <TheMuso> I moderate some a11y lists, and mail that is spam makes its way into the moderatino queues, even though the reason given is that the mail is possible spam.
[06:36] <TheMuso> So just venting my frustration I guess.
[07:03] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:03] <TheMuso> Hey chrisccoulson.
[07:03] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[07:03] <chrisccoulson> hi TheMuso, how are you?
[07:04] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: Well thanks, yourself?
[07:04] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, i'm good thanks, how are you?
[07:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: did you enjoy seeing the world breaking out in tears when the new couple kissed? :-)
[07:04] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso, yeah, good thanks. although, my daughter woke me up at 5.30 this morning ;)
[07:04] <chrisccoulson> pitti - no, i didn't watch it ;)
[07:04] <TheMuso> I watched that service, and the music was really beautiful.
[07:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm quite well, thanks! sore muscles due to the moving, but it all went well
[07:05] <pitti> I caught 10 minutes of it when we had lunch in a Chinese bistro on Friday
[07:05] <TheMuso> TO me, the wedding service was the best part of the day, everything else was secondary.
[07:05] <TheMuso> s/TO/for/
[07:09] <chrisccoulson> i had quite a productive day on friday
[07:09] <chrisccoulson> i've got firefox building its own language packs now :)
[07:12] <TheMuso> Nice.
[07:17] <toabctl> i had a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop and want to find the packaging stuff for gtk3 but found different branches named gtk3. what's the main branch used for oneiric?
[07:18] <toabctl> there are: lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntugtk3     and lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-desktop/ubuntu-gtk3    and lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-desktop/ubuntugtk3
[09:11] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:13] <seb128> hey desktopers
[09:13] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[09:14] <rodrigo_> hi seb128
[09:26] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ca va?
[09:26] <pitti> seb128: are you already in Budapest?
[09:26] <seb128> hey pitti, bien et toi ?
[09:26] <seb128> pitti, no, going there tomorrow
[09:26] <pitti> seb128: *me waves to you from Augsburg*
[09:26] <pitti> seb128: moving went well, just my muscles are aching :)
[09:27] <pitti> we are sitting amongst a huge pile of boxes still, of course :)
[09:27] <seb128> good
[09:27] <seb128> pitti, so you have a week to unpack a bit and UDS then? ;-)
[09:28] <pitti> seb128: we'll need more time for that, we still need to buy a lot of furniture (we threw most of our old and shabby stuff away)
[09:29] <pitti> seb128: but the kitchen is complete, and working desk and clothing closet are done
[09:29] <seb128> right, I didn't suggest you would be done with the moving at the end of the week, just that you will have to time to relax ;-)
[09:29] <pitti> and this evening we should get DSL
[09:29] <pitti> so the most basic stuff is working :)
[09:29] <seb128> great
[09:30]  * pitti hugs his laptop's builtin 3G antenna; 3G on the mobile phone is rather weak
[09:33] <rodrigo_> hey pitti, how was the move?
[09:35] <rodrigo_> seb128, for merging the gnome3 branches, do we merge the whole history to ~ubuntu-desktop branch, or just do an update with all the changes?
[09:37] <seb128> rodrigo_, that's what I was asking on friday, not sure if you read, what I went for is merging the gnome3-team commits i.e keeping the vcs history but cleaning the changelog and summarizing in one entry
[09:37] <rodrigo_> ok
[09:38] <seb128> well I suggest rebasing on debian at the same time and we do summarize the remaining diff usually when doing that
[09:38] <rodrigo_> althouugh, well, if we don't keep the changelog history, do we really need the bzr history?
[09:38] <rodrigo_> yes, I'm first merging the gnome3 branch with debian changes, and then with the ~ubuntu-desktop branch
[09:39] <seb128> I did it the other way around, I merge the gnome3 vcs in the ubuntu-desktop one
[09:39] <xclaesse> rodrigo_, will the gnome3 natty ppa be kept up to date? or will you push only in the natty+1 repository?
[09:39] <seb128> then reviewed the diff
[09:40] <rodrigo_> xclaesse, I guess I'll do both
[09:40] <seb128> xclaesse, the ppa will keep being community maintained, contributions to keep it updated are welcome
[09:40] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok
[09:41] <pitti> rodrigo_: I don't think the PPA bzr history is that interesting in bzr, but if you merge the branches, we'll retain it anyway?
[09:41] <pitti> rodrigo_: I don't think the PPA bzr history is that interesting in bzr, but if you merge the branches, we'll retain it anyway?
[09:41] <seb128> rodrigo_, on whether we really need the gnome3 vcs history, not sure but it's somewhat nice to keep record of community contributions there
[09:41] <rodrigo_> pitti, yeah, was not sure how to do the merge, since I need to review it (because of disabled patches, etc)
[09:41] <seb128> but I've no strong opinion either way
[09:42] <seb128> what I did is merge as a first commit
[09:42] <seb128> clean as a second one
[09:42] <seb128> rebase on debian as the next one
[09:42] <rodrigo_> but yes, makes sense to merge the gnome3 ppa and then the debian one
[09:42] <seb128> well "merge, clean, diff and rebase"
[09:43] <rodrigo_> yes
[09:44] <xclaesse> seb128, ok, I hope that will be enough :)
[09:54] <huats> morning
[10:01] <jbicha> rodrigo_: what should I do with my merge requests? should I wait for the PPA to be merged into oneiric?
[10:01] <rodrigo_> jbicha, what pending requests do you have?
[10:01] <jbicha> https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/natty/nautilus/gnome3ppa-dot-desktop/+merge/59612
[10:02] <rodrigo_> jbicha, if the gnome3 branch hasn't been merged yet to oneiric, go ahead and propose for merging into the ~gnome3-team branch
[10:02] <rodrigo_> if it has been merged, I guess it's ok to propose a branch for both the ~ubuntu-desktop one and the ~gnome3-team one
[10:02] <rodrigo_> so that we keep the ppa up-to-datew
[10:02] <jbicha> and https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/gnome-session/gnome3-support-ubuntu-session/+merge/59604
[10:02] <jbicha> they haven't been merged yet
[10:03] <rodrigo_> jbicha, right, I'll merge them to the gnome3-team branches
[10:03] <jbicha> ok, thanks
[10:03] <jbicha> just curious if they will get pushed back to the PPA since the ability to launch other sessions
[10:04] <jbicha> is important for the Natty users also
[10:04] <rodrigo_> yes
[10:04] <rodrigo_> I guess once we have everything merged, we can just dput natty versions to the PPA
[10:05] <rodrigo_> although we0'll soon start getting 3.1.x updates, so not sure if we want those in the PPA
[10:05] <jbicha> probably not but I don't think people are using the PPA for stability, lol
[10:05] <cassidy> kenvandine, seb128: you probably want to backport that fix in natty: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648842   Or I can do a 2.34 release if you prefer
[10:05] <ubot2> Gnome bug 648842 in Notifications "Notifications are delayed if contacts send messages too fast" [Major,Resolved: fixed]
[10:07] <seb128> cassidy, backporting a commit is fine no need to roll a tarball, thanks for pointing it
[10:07] <cassidy> seb128, there are few other fixes in 2.34 that you may be interested in
[10:08] <seb128> cassidy, if you feel like you have enough fixes there to roll a tarball feel free to roll one ;-)
[10:11] <cassidy> oki :) I'll consider doing one but for now you can already backport the fix I think
[10:12] <seb128> ok
[10:25] <rodrigo_> jbicha, your nautilus branch is now merged and package uploaded
[10:26] <rodrigo_> jbicha, will merge the g-session one later, I need to run some errands now
[10:26] <rodrigo_> bbib
[10:26] <rodrigo_> bbiab
[10:30] <jbicha> rodrigo_: thank you!
[10:38] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[10:38] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[10:39] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks, what about you?
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, good thanks. enjoying another public holiday in the UK ;)
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> i'm starting to feel like a slacker with all these long weekends ;)
[10:39] <seb128> oh right, is that the first of may which happened to be on a sunday that you get back on monday?
[10:39] <seb128> ;-)
[10:40] <chrisccoulson> are you in budapest yet?
[10:40] <seb128> no, going there tomorrow
[10:43] <chrisccoulson> i hope my laptop charger lasts for UDS. the connector started falling apart yesterday :/
[10:46] <seb128> urg
[10:47] <seb128> what do you do to your laptop, you would almost make people believe dell laptop are not robust ;-)
[11:20] <seb128> rodrigo_, bug #728803 is another bug with vm and gsd
[11:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 728803 in gnome-settings-daemon "Ubuntu theme switches from partially broken to gnome default on VirtualBox guest" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728803
[11:20] <seb128> just for info
[11:24] <seb128> rodrigo_, could you add bug #760523 to your list?
[11:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 760523 in gnome-panel "clock-applet: clicking on a calendar date opens the same number one monther earlier in Evolution" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760523
[11:36] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes
[11:38] <seb128> rodrigo_, bug #752040 as well seems worth investigating
[11:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 752040 in evolution "Evolution setup label not visible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752040
[11:39] <rodrigo_> ok
[11:42] <seb128> rodrigo_, bug #773763 as well, I think you are set for week ;-)
[11:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 773763 in evolution "evolution freeze on startup with the plug-in "evolution-rss"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773763
[11:42] <rodrigo_> seb128, :)
[11:43] <seb128> rodrigo_, those are things I spotted in the weekend backlog that might be worth sru-ing, just try to look at those when you some time, they are not very high priority but still would be nice to investigate
[11:43] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, looking at them now
[11:43] <seb128> rodrigo_, it don't drop other work you do for those but try to get some worked between 2 GNOME3 updates ;-)
[11:43] <seb128> it->ie
[11:43] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[11:44] <rodrigo_> ok
[11:47] <seb128> rodrigo_, oh and bug #773063 ;-)
[11:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 773063 in gnome-control-center "[Natty] gnome-about-me box doesn't remember contents" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773063
[11:47] <seb128> really done then ;-)
[11:47] <seb128> time for lunch
[11:47] <rodrigo_> seb128, heh
[11:47] <seb128> rodrigo_, welcome to the team :p
[11:48] <seb128> this one seems around for a while but I didn't really put it on any list before since the capplet goes away next cycle
[11:48] <seb128> but since some users seem to be bothered by it, maybe let's fix it in natty if it's easy
[11:48] <seb128> ok, lunch, bbl
[11:50] <rodrigo_> seb128, enjoy
[12:07] <rodrigo_> mvo, I see there's an UNRELEASED entry from you in gnome-panel's ubuntu-desktop branch, so have you already submitted that for natty-proposed?
[12:10] <rodrigo_> mvo, I have a fix to submit, so if you haven't, can I submit both your fix and mine?
[12:10] <seb128> rodrigo_, was that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/1:2.32.1-0ubuntu6.4
[12:10] <seb128> ?
[12:11] <rodrigo_> yes, seems so
[12:11] <seb128> ok, so he probably forgot to push the update when he uploaded
[12:11] <rodrigo_> yes, ok
[12:12] <rodrigo_> seb128, the fix for #760523 coming then
[12:12] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[12:12] <rodrigo_> seb128, so, for natty-proposed updates, if we still haven't merged the 3.0 version in ~ubuntu-desktop branch, we use those branches, right?
[12:12] <seb128> rodrigo_, don't upload, I will include another git commit to fix applets on dual xorg server configs
[12:12] <mvo> rodrigo_: ups, sorry for the forgotten push
[12:13] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes
[12:13] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, do I leave the changelog entry with UNRELEASED?
[12:13] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes
[12:13] <rodrigo_> ok
[12:13] <mvo> seb128, rodrigo_: will one of you add my changelog entry (from the upload) or should I do that now
[12:13] <rodrigo_> also, I need to subscribe ubuntu-sru to the bug, right?
[12:13] <seb128> rodrigo_, the other commit is http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-panel/commit/?id=cb969e989477e2671d1e0cdd1519866d61d0c98c
[12:14] <rodrigo_> mvo, doing it myself now with the push
[12:14] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you want to backport it as well or do you want me to do it?
[12:14] <rodrigo_> seb128, I'll do it
[12:14] <mvo> thanks rodrigo_
[12:14] <seb128> rodrigo_, you can subscribe ubuntu-sru yes
[12:14] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks, bug #774427 is the one that the commit close
[12:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 774427 in gnome-panel "Cannot add applets to second X server display in 11.04" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774427
[12:15] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, including that in my commit, so do I upload then?
[12:15] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes please
[12:15] <rodrigo_> seb128, and push without the UNRELEASED thing, right?
[12:16] <seb128> rodrigo_, well as you want, usually what I do is "fix 1 bug, commit, fix second bug, commit, check that things are ready for upload, dch -r, debcommit -r, push"
[12:16] <rodrigo_> ok
[12:17] <seb128> rodrigo_, that's an sru so usually it's -proposed target for upload and .1 version, i.e ubuntu6.5 for that one and natty-proposed
[12:17] <rodrigo_> ok
[12:17] <seb128> rodrigo_, once you have uploaded make sure ubuntu-sru is subscribe to both bugs and set the natty bug to "fix commited"
[12:25] <rodrigo_> vuntz, ping
[12:29] <rodrigo_> seb128, only one thing not clear, do I build the .changes with the UNRELEASED string in changelog?
[12:29] <seb128> rodrigo_, no
[12:30] <rodrigo_> ok
[12:30] <seb128> rodrigo_, dch -r should change it to natty, you might need to manually change to natty-proposed
[12:30] <rodrigo_> that was confusing me, I thought you said to upload before dch -r
[12:30] <seb128> dch -r; debcommit -r and push before uploading basically
[12:30] <rodrigo_> ah, ok
[12:31] <seb128> rodrigo_, well I said ""fix 1 bug, commit, fix second bug, commit, check that things are ready for upload, dch -r, debcommit -r, push""
[12:31] <rodrigo_> right
[12:31] <seb128> the "upload" is after that sequence
[12:31] <seb128> sorry if that was not clear ;-)
[12:33] <rodrigo_> seb128, sorry, my fault :)
[12:33] <seb128> no worry! ;-)
[12:34] <rodrigo_> ugh
[12:34] <rodrigo_>   Uploading gnome-panel_2.32.1-0ubuntu6.5_source.changes: 2k/3k550 Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')"] : Permission denied.
[12:34] <rodrigo_> Note: This error might indicate a problem with your passive_ftp setting.
[12:34] <rodrigo_>       Please consult dput.cf(5) for details on this configuration option.
[12:36] <rodrigo_> ah, but it's in the queue
[12:36] <mvo> rodrigo_: known issue
[12:36] <rodrigo_> so I guess this error is harmless
[12:36] <mvo> rodrigo_: misleading
[12:36] <mvo> but harmless
[12:36] <rodrigo_> ok
[12:37] <rodrigo_> ok, I think I didn't break anything then :)
[12:56] <seb128> rodrigo_, heh, congrats on your first desktop upload! :-)
[12:57] <rodrigo_> :)
[13:04] <Sweetshark> seb128, pitti: Anyone having a minute to counter-check a blogpost?
[13:04] <pitti> Sweetshark: hey Bjoern, how are you? sure
[13:05] <seb128> hey Sweetshark, can do yes
[13:08] <Sweetshark> pitti: everything is fine. Just wondering about planning for O. Estimating efforts is always tricky ...
[13:08] <pitti> Sweetshark: btw, can you please rename your specs to have an "desktop-o-" prefix?
[13:10] <Sweetshark> seb128, pitti: https://pastebin.canonical.com/46989/ <- blogpost text, seems innocent enough to me but is one of my first statements and will end up right at planet documentfoundation ...
[13:11] <seb128> Sweetshark, seems fine to me as well ;-)
[13:11] <Sweetshark> pitti: sure, but maybe a wait another day as jasoncwarner might click on the links in the mail right now?
[13:11] <pitti> Sweetshark: "are consistently used" -> "are consistently being used", I think
[13:11] <pitti> Sweetshark: and Rene might not be happy to see his name in an Ubuntuish announcement?
[13:12] <pitti> Sweetshark: otherwise it sounds nice to me
[13:22] <rodrigo_> ok, lunch time, bbl
[13:45] <bcurtiswx> good morning
[13:46] <rickspencer3> hi bcurtiswx
[13:46] <rickspencer3> quiet today
[13:47] <bcurtiswx> rickspencer3, could be the sprint this week in Hungary
[13:47] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, yeah
[13:47] <rickspencer3> also, I think in UK it's a holiday too
[13:49] <bcurtiswx> ah, didn't know that
[13:50] <kenvandine> should be quiet :)
[13:50] <kenvandine> gives me time to prepare specs :)
[13:50] <rickspencer3> hi kenvandine
[13:50] <kenvandine> hey rickspencer3
[13:51] <bcurtiswx> good afternoon (right?) kenvandine
[13:51] <kenvandine> morning :)
[13:51] <kenvandine> i haven't left yet
[13:51] <bcurtiswx> ah, OK
[13:51] <pitti> hey kenvandine
[13:51] <kenvandine> hey pitti
[13:51]  * pitti waves to rickspencer3, too
[13:51] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i am traveling wed
[13:52]  * rickspencer3 waves to pitti
[14:08] <hyperair> pitti: ping. got time for an SRU upload?
[14:08] <hyperair> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/529714
[14:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 529714 in samba "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV in _nss_wins_gethostbyname_r()" [Critical,Triaged]
[14:09] <pitti> hyperair: there's currently a samba in -proposed already for bug 771305, which needs testing first
[14:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 771305 in samba "smbd does not start on first boot with 20110426" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771305
[14:09] <hyperair> hmm, okay.
[14:10]  * hyperair sighs
[14:10] <hyperair> why didn't the patches just go together..?
[14:10] <pitti> hyperair: if it's urgent, you can merge this version, and prepare a source with debuild -S -v2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2 to include the previous changelog
[14:11] <pitti> then we can test both in parallel
[14:11] <hyperair> ah, okay, thanks.
[14:12] <hyperair> pitti: aside of that, could you syncpackage libgpod 0.8.0-3 from debian? there's a LP bug linked in there, something about the mono bindings and stuff getting synced wrongly
[14:13] <pitti> done
[14:14] <hyperair> pitti: thanks.
[14:33] <hyperair> looks like the armel buildd is broken.
[14:33] <hyperair> sh: gcc: not found
[14:34] <ogra_> hyperair, bug 774175
[14:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 774175 in apt "apt segfaults on armel in oneiric" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774175
[14:35] <ogra_> cant install anything in the build root atm...
[14:35] <hyperair> ogra_: that's weird, my build log shows that apt succeeded.
[14:35] <hyperair> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/70927917/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-armel.libgpod_0.8.0-3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:36] <ogra_> yeah, the logs are a bit weird
[14:36] <ogra_> the root cause is apt though
[14:36] <hyperair> hmm i see.
[14:36] <hyperair> how very strange.
[15:05] <Sweetshark> pitti: I would need you to shamelessly lie a bit about me not breaking stuff all the time at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BjoernMichaelsen/DeveloperApplication
[15:07] <hyperair> lol
[15:09]  * Laney takes notes
[15:10] <hyperair> hehe
[15:12] <hyperair> Laney: for PPU applications, can i transplant the endorsements from my MOTU Application, or do i need new fresh ones?
[15:13] <Laney> hyperair: I'd like to see ones specific to the application
[15:13] <Laney> i.e. from your sponsors of libgpod
[15:13] <hyperair> Laney: ah, like directhex? =D
[15:14] <Laney> ;)
[15:14] <hyperair> pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/529714/+attachment/2106114/+files/debdiff-debuglevel-2.patch
[15:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 529714 in samba "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV in _nss_wins_gethostbyname_r()" [Critical,Triaged]
[15:15] <lamalex> bryceh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/762343 :P cool picture
[15:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 762343 in unity "Can't drag window by titlebar if launched from .xprofile" [Undecided,New]
[15:15] <hyperair> Laney: do i need other endorsements, or only those specific to the package?
[15:20] <Laney> hyperair: i'd be happy with just specific ones
[15:20] <hyperair> alright.
[15:22] <pitti> Sweetshark: with pleasure
[15:22] <dobey> hrmm
[15:22] <dobey> what tz is jason in?
[15:22] <hyperair> bryceh++
[15:24] <pitti> dobey: Sydney usually, but he works odd hours
[15:26] <lamalex> bryceh, are you using default theme?
[15:27] <dobey> ok, that's what i thought.
[15:28] <dobey> and i was wanting to beg for blueprint approvals :)
[15:29] <dobey> pitti: can i beg you to get packages from natty-proposed into natty-updates?
[15:31] <pitti> dobey: sure! I accept beer and shoulder massages
[15:32] <pitti> or making the Telekom engineer appear who is supposed to enable our phone/DSL connector :)
[15:32] <dobey> pitti: great; ubuntuone-storage-protocol and ubuntuone-client are all verification-done :)
[15:32] <dobey> hehe
[15:32] <pitti> dobey: you want the ubuntuone-* stuff?
[15:32] <pitti> dobey: we usually wait for 7 days, but right now a lot more people are testing -proposed, so we can be lenient; copying now
[15:33] <dobey> pitti: well, these were supposed to be 0-day SRUs, but alas :)
[15:50] <Sweetshark> dobey: iirc jasson said is is working in "san francisco timezone" hours ...
[15:50] <Sweetshark> dunno if that is still valid though.
[16:27] <seb128> vuntz, hey
[16:27] <seb128> vuntz, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=649176 do you have any pointer on how,where it got fixed? would that apply to 2.32?
[16:27] <ubot2> Gnome bug 649176 in notification area "QT app icons are one pixel in notification area" [Critical,Needinfo]
[16:31] <vuntz> seb128: 41d0e690edfe952a4ff8b8f6ea01cb9cb09695f7
[16:32] <seb128> vuntz, thanks!
[16:32] <vuntz> seb128: that could fix it, but I'm not sure if that's the same issue. At least, same symptoms
[16:34] <fta> jcastro, hi, are you able to reproduce bug 775657?
[16:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 775657 in unity "unity can't raise right-aligned chromium windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775657
[16:36] <jcastro> fta: I get something even weirder
[16:36] <jcastro> fta: I get a white box on the top left that say chromium, I have to click the icon again to get it to work
[16:37] <fta> doh
[16:37] <fta> never got that one
[16:43] <jcastro> fta: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/chromium.png
[16:43] <jcastro> fta: that's when I have chromium windows running
[16:43] <jcastro> (I have chrome windows on another desktop so don't let icon confuse you, I tested this with a daily)
[16:44] <fta> jcastro, hm, could it be an extension? do you also see that with --temp-profile?
[16:46] <jcastro> not sure, I'm busy with OW and UDS right now, I'll ping you -mozillateam when I get a chance to mess with it
[16:47] <fta> jcastro, sure (but you should be able to test without touching your existing sessions, it just start a new instance with a new volatile profile, and trash it when you close it)
[16:54] <rodrigo_> oh, no mterry
[16:55] <rodrigo_> seb128, do you know anything about the diffs in NTP between debian and ubuntu?
[16:55] <rodrigo_> or anyone else?
[16:55] <seb128> rodrigo_, gsd you mean?
[16:56] <rodrigo_> yes
[16:56] <rodrigo_> I'm trying to rebase the patch we have in 2.32, but there's code in upstream gsd to deal with debian -> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/tree/plugins/datetime
[16:56] <rodrigo_> so I wonder if we can just use that and remove the patch in our package
[16:58] <rodrigo_> if not, it'd be better to write an upstream patch
[16:59] <rodrigo_> but don't worry, I'll ask mterry when he's around
[17:08] <pitti> good night everyone!
[17:08] <seb128> 'night pitti
[17:08] <seb128> rodrigo_, he's away this week
[17:08] <pitti> (FYI, I'm shifting my work hours to be a bit earlier, as my wife gets up at 6)
[17:08] <seb128> rodrigo_, I think mterry forwarded his patch upstream
[17:08] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, will look for it in bugzilla
[17:09] <rodrigo_> ok, so only 3 more patches to rebase left, almost done! :-D
[17:10] <seb128> ;-)
[17:12] <Sweetshark> night pitti!
[17:43] <cdbs> seb128: ping, can I also claim a few GNOME3 work items this cycle?
[17:44] <dobey> seb128: for the gnome/gtk 3 session, should we discuss webkit2+gtk3 by default?
[17:44] <micahg> dobey: what webkit2?
[17:45] <dobey> micahg: ./configure --enable-webkit2 in the webkit source. it does plug-ins in external process and some other improvements
[17:45] <cdbs> dobey: Does GNOME 3 or 3.2 use it or plan to use it?
[17:46] <micahg> dobey: webkit2 isn't stable yet AFAIK, I'd want to stick to the stable branch
[17:46] <dobey> cdbs: it's not a separate library. it's just a "how you build webkit" thing; eventually it will be the default upstream in webkit
[17:47] <cdbs> hmm
[17:47] <dobey> cdbs: so if you build with it enabled, epiphany/yelp/etc use it, afaik
[17:47] <cdbs> dobey: niche
[17:47] <cdbs> but we don't want unstable components in
[17:48] <cdbs> probably, just my guess
[18:35] <fta> pitti, fyi, bug 748881
[18:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 748881 in chromium-browser "Update SVG logo" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/748881
[18:36] <fta> how can i disable dh_scour?
[18:46] <stgraber> hey guys. I'm currently working on bug 436936. I have the SRUs ready to be uploaded and will likely do so tomorrow. As for Oneiric, I was wondering if you prefer I upload gdm directly with just that change or if you prefer it to be commited somewhere so it's included next time you upload.
[18:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 436936 in kdebase-workspace "gdm upstart job checks /proc/cmdline for single user mode, won't start on post-boot runlevel change" [Medium,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/436936
[18:47] <bcurtiswx> nigelb, whats the latest?
[18:48] <stgraber> seb128: ^ you are the lucky one who's marked as maintainer :)
[19:11] <jcastro> seb128: pitti: a bunch of multitouch stuff just got proposed to the desktop track btw, they need to be approved, just an FYI if you see jasonwarner around
[19:12] <jcastro> (or if he has you guys approve them, not sure how your team does it)
[19:29] <dobey> jcastro: i think he's been doing it anyway. we (u1) still have a few pending approval as well
[19:31] <seb128> re
[19:31] <seb128> stgraber, you can upload but update the vcs as well if you do
[19:32] <seb128> dobey, not sure webkit requires an UDS session, seems like the sort of technical decision that could be taken offline by people who have an opinion on the topic
[19:32] <seb128> well offline -> online, i.e list discussion
[19:33] <seb128> cdbs, there is plenty of updates, merges, workitems etc to do so yes feel free to claim any if you work on it (don't take a lock for something that you will not work and block others though)
[19:34] <dobey> seb128: i wasn't asking if it needed a session. just if it was worth discussing in the gnome/gtk3.x session
[19:34] <stgraber> seb128: ok, will do.
[19:35] <seb128> dobey, if you have an opinion feel free to raise it, I'm not sure we have anybody in the team which tracks webkit and will have useful clues during the session though
[19:35] <rickspencer3_> woah, lots of updates today, and I don't have proposed enabled on this 'puter
[19:36] <rickspencer3_> hmmm, maybe I didn't update to final Natty
[19:36] <rickspencer3_> nm
[19:36] <dobey> seb128: ok. i just randomly thought of it. no big deal really :)
[19:36] <seb128> rickspencer3_, we have some sru rolling as usual
[19:37] <rickspencer3_> seb128, ya' of course, but this had some stuff I wasn't expecting, like xorg
[19:37] <rickspencer3_> 'sall good
[19:38] <seb128> rickspencer3_, ok, no worry if there is an issue we will just blame it on you as usual ;-)
[19:38] <rickspencer3_> thanks seb128, I would expect no less :)
[19:53] <stgraber> seb128: uploaded and pushed. SRU for natty will follow very soon.
[19:58] <chrisccoulson> hi rickspencer3, seb128
[19:58] <chrisccoulson> and hi stgraber too ;)
[19:59] <rickspencer3> hi chrisccoulson
[19:59] <chrisccoulson> hi rickspencer3, how are you? looking forward to UDS?
[19:59] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, indeed
[20:00] <stgraber> hi chrisccoulson
[21:28]  * cyphermox cries -- cat pulled out the power cable to the cable modem ;)
[21:42] <achiang> is there any way to export gconf settings?
[21:43] <cyphermox> achiang, you mean to just print or to apply them to another system after?
[21:44] <cyphermox> achiang, you have --load and --dump to help with saving/reapplying things -- see gconftool-2 --help-load
[21:45] <achiang> cyphermox: more like the latter. i'm trying to figure out where the gconf key for the default screensaver hides, and my thought was to take the brute hammer approach: export gconf, set screensaver, export gconf again, and diff
[21:45] <cyphermox> ah
[21:45] <achiang> cyphermox: ah, i can just gconftool-2 --dump /apps
[21:46] <cyphermox> yeah , but isn't all the screensaver stuff in /apps/gnome-screensaver ?
[21:46] <achiang> cyphermox: while i have you here, how hard do you think it might be for NM to autoconnect when a 3G dongle is plugged in?
[21:47] <achiang> cyphermox: that is what i thought too, but my pre-seeds have not been working
[21:47] <cyphermox> achiang, it should already do it if there is a profile to connect to that exists
[21:48] <achiang> cyphermox: really? even on lucid? :)
[21:48] <cyphermox> achiang, maybe lucid is special ;)
[21:48] <cyphermox> but I think it might... I guess you're seeing that doesn't work?
[21:49] <achiang> cyphermox: yes, the behavior i see is that after hotplug, the profile then appears in nm-applet, but you still have to click on the indicator, and then click on the profile to actually make it connect
[21:50] <cyphermox> is it set to autoconnect?
[21:50] <achiang> derp. is there such a setting? :)
[21:50]  * achiang needs to go double-check apparently
[21:50] <cyphermox> yeah, in the profile's config there is a checkbox... usually
[21:51] <achiang> cyphermox: got it. i will go check, thank you for the hints
[21:52] <cyphermox> achiang, if it's any use I'm working on backporting nm 0.8.4 for lucid in the NM stable PPA, but it's taking me forever, partly because the PPAs are still hugely backlogged and partly because my local buildds had small configuration mistakes
[21:53] <achiang> cyphermox: ah, cool. i would really like NM 0.9, because i heard a rumor that all connections there are system connections
[21:54] <cyphermox> achiang, it's the next one I'll do this for
[21:54] <cyphermox> but first 0.8.4 ;)
[21:54] <cyphermox> 0.9 shouldn't be a huge issue once I'm done getting the other dependencies, I think
[21:54] <achiang> cool
[22:07] <achiang> cyphermox: ah ha, i was setting /apps/gnome-screensaver/themes correctly, but forgot to set 'mode' as well
[22:32] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i have updated most of the empathy patches for the gnome3 ppa
[22:32] <kenvandine> not all of which are uploaded though
[22:32] <kenvandine> the libindicate one is a bit mad at me right now
[22:32] <kenvandine> should be able to fix it up in the morning
[22:32]  * kenvandine heads out