[01:27] <Onryo> A co-worker informed me that a Mr. Alan Pope (alan@ubuntu/member/popey) from the LoCo Council and the Ubuntu Community Council had instigated contact with me. Apparently Mr. Pope insinuated that I should come to this channel and “work things out”. I left a rather dull party full of drunkards and will be going to bed in the next 20 minutes.
[01:28] <Onryo> There seemed to be some concern about the possible repercussions from further development from  factions of the Nordic development. I have not read what was fully said during that discussion as my co-worker had the discussion. If I understand right Mr. Pope, Linda and Markus Lindström spoke on Skype.
[01:32] <Onryo> Is there anything that needs/should be said. I am not in the mood for sarcastic/arrogance
[01:39] <Jordan_U> Onryo: Your ban in #ubuntu is not going to be lifted any time soon. Is there anything else that we can help you with (within the domain of IRC and the ubuntu channels)?
[01:46] <IdleOne> Onryo: Please do not idle in this channel.
[01:47] <Onryo> Jordan_U have perfectly illustrated my position on the matter. You have lost the holistic view on the matter can only wonder if other decisions are made on the same permissions as yours.
[01:48] <Onryo> take care and good luck
[01:48] <IdleOne> Onryo: Please stop wasting our time. the decision has been already made and the ban will not be lifted. Please part this channel.
[01:49] <IdleOne> !appeals > Onryo if you wish to appeal.
[01:49] <Onryo> come over to #OpenBSD and see if it looks like this.
[01:56] <IdleOne> This behaviour supposedly from the "boss" at some company.
[03:06] <elky> I'm still at a loss to understand what positive influence we gain from their presence.
[03:29] <Jordan_U> Is calamari the same person that we banned for telling users to use sudo with graphical apps before?
[03:32] <Jordan_U> Seems not.
[04:14] <Flannel> 211.56.233.161 concerning anyone else? or am I being paranoid? (#u)
[06:26] <Madpilot> so, have we founded #ubuntu-yes-we-know-you-hate-unity yet?
 when i installed ubuntu it told me i would need to install linux
[06:44] <Jordan_U> 22:38 < POOPHAMMMER> flooding is for the japanese
[06:44] <Jordan_U> Any reason not to ban them?
[06:44] <Jordan_U> It's a bit after the fact but still.
[06:45] <bazhang> Jordan_U, he's +q, have him in PM
[06:45] <Jordan_U> bazhang: Ahh, carry on then :)
[06:51] <bazhang> ban forward taint_ here?
[06:51] <bazhang> thanks IdleOne
[06:52] <IdleOne> rage quit after you warned about language.
[06:52] <IdleOne> he knew exactly what he was doing.
[06:52] <bazhang> yeppers
 you're a moron
[07:21] <elky> He's not getting unmuted in a hurry.
[07:21] <IdleOne> I tried :/
 banning people for speaking their mind without any comment just outed you as a big big moron
[07:23] <elky> I'm pretty sure "no" followed by "just, no" is commenting. Kthx.
[07:24] <elky> (for log watchers, he wanted us to agree that wanting to torture osama is perfectly ok.)
[07:24] <IdleOne> elky: his current nick in -ot is bad imo
[07:24] <IdleOne> well the previous one
[07:27] <elky> Now i'm being told I suck dick and am muslim.
[07:27] <elky> by 'osamadeadyay'
[07:27] <Madpilot> this will, of course, lead you to unban him immediately...
[07:27] <elky> Obviously.
[07:27] <elky> I'll get /right/ on that.
[07:30] <IdleOne> threat to ban evade did not sit well
[07:32] <Madpilot> that was either a threat to ban-evade, or a threat to bot flood. either way, not smart.
[07:33] <IdleOne> I understand his position and I have felt the same way in the past about similar issues.
[07:33] <elky> Madpilot, the latter is also the former, so yeah, epic smrts
[07:34] <IdleOne> but that doesn't mean it is acceptable in ubuntu channels
[07:35] <IdleOne> maybe banning him is not the right solution right now.
[07:35] <elky> suggesting there ought to be exemptions to morality for certain people is the slipperiest slope evar.
[07:35] <IdleOne> emotions are certainly running high for some
[07:36] <IdleOne> I'm not saying exemption but maybe talking to him and trying to explain our point of view regarding the Ubuntu IRC aspect of it all.
[07:40] <IdleOne> I am going to remove the ban, if someone else feels it needs to be replaced that is up to you.
[14:49] <bazhang>  p5790677F.dip.t-dialin.net lars is back
[14:49] <Pici> you sure?
[14:49] <bazhang> yep
[14:50] <Pici> Which channel?
 hello i  dont like gnome 3 and unit
[14:50] <bazhang> #ubuntu
[14:50] <Pici> ugh
[14:58] <Pici> Well, it sucks that Deutsche Telekom users get dynamic addresses, but the wildcard ban I just set seems to match only him, although I only checked some of his recent joins.
[14:58] <Pici> I don't think there is anything that freenode could do to help us with this, as a kline won't really take any more arguments than a ban will.
[14:59] <bazhang> he clearly would just evade klines
[14:59] <Pici> Right.
[15:11] <bazhang> augh
[15:15] <bazhang> this h4xors fellow was running a really nasty bot in ##linux the other day.
[15:16] <Pici> How nasty?
[15:17] <bazhang> waaaaay outside the freenode rules and code of conduct
[16:22] <popey> @btlogin
[16:56] <ikonia> sad
[17:00] <Pici> That people think that those are real?
[17:02] <ikonia> that people do it and that people think it's real
[17:17] <DexterF> is that spambot/unregged thing for real or a scam? sounds fishy to me
[17:17] <Tm_T> what where?
[17:18] <LjL> DexterF: which one? we had a real spambot in #ubuntu. the ones asking question in #ubuntu-unregged are our legitimate bots
[17:18] <DexterF> #ubuntu-unregged
[17:19] <LjL> you're unlikely to get scammed by just answering a question anyway ;)
[17:19] <DexterF> LjL: ah. ok. so there's a flood attack on ubuntu?
[17:19] <LjL> there was some 20 minutes ago
[17:20] <DexterF> LjL: well - a channel window get's opened without me opening it. if that can be automated I guess a lot more can, possibly by not much more that sending data. I prefer paranoia.
[17:21] <LjL> DexterF: it's called channel forwarding, it's a freenode feature. you join #ubuntu, but since #ubuntu is +r and +f #ubuntu-unregged, you client gets directed to the latter instead.
[17:23] <DexterF> LjL: I know of fwd, but I never seen it happened while in the channel before, only on joining. so I assumed that happens in the join process or not at all. well, learned sth new.
[17:23] <LjL> DexterF: it does happen when you join
[17:24] <DexterF> LjL: exactly. and I was forwarded while being around for quite a while already
[17:24] <LjL> DexterF: that is strange. maybe you were disconnected and didn't realize?
[17:25] <DexterF> LjL: oh, you're right! didn't notice. mystery solved.
[17:25] <LjL> :)
[18:56] <LjL> i'm going to test some important change in the floodbots, they might mode-spam a little, and possibly even msg-spam (though i hope not). namely, the change is that they're staying all opped, since i think each given one of them doesn't always react very quickly
[19:24] <Tm_T> why idoru isn't on #u ?
[19:27] <IdleOne> was removed
[19:30] <Tm_T> yes, why
[19:30] <IdleOne> not entirely sure to be honest but I believe there was some questions about false positives and reaction time
[19:31] <Tm_T> well, the latest spammer didn't get any boot
[19:31] <Tm_T> it did stay over a minute on the channel and parted
[19:32] <tsimpson> see http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/24/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[19:33] <IdleOne> Tm_T: I think that is probably what LjL is working on with the floodbots
[19:33]  * IdleOne guesses
[19:55] <Tm_T> hopefully
[19:55] <Tm_T> tsimpson: ah, thanks
[19:56] <LjL> no, it's something else about the floodbots
[20:31] <LjL> and a warm welcome to jaaaason ribeeeiro!
[20:31] <LjL> *APPLAUSE*
[21:29] <ikonia> hello Customs
[21:29] <Customs> why did i get banned??
[21:30] <ikonia> Customs: I asked you not to do the "hack the planet" stuff, you responded by doing "hack the planet", I banned you from the channel
[21:30] <Customs> and how can i get back onto the channel??
[21:30] <ikonia> well, you're going to take a break from the channel for now, as if you can't follow simple requests you're going to have a problem
[21:30] <ikonia> !guidelines | Customs
[21:31] <ikonia> Customs: reading those links on how to behave in the channel is also a good start
[21:31] <Customs> so how long do i have to wait??
[21:31] <ikonia> well, read the URL's and come back to me
[21:31] <Customs> i dont need to read links on how to behave im not retarded
[21:31] <ikonia> then why did you do repeat the line I asked you not to repeat
[21:32] <Customs> i dont know
[21:32] <ikonia> if you know how to behave why did you do the opposite of what I asked you to do ?
[21:32] <ikonia> then you don't know how to behave/control your self, therefore you can't use the channel
[21:32] <LjL> uhm - any idea why Carlos| got banned by the floodbot?
[21:33] <Customs> I think i know how to behave, im sorry can i go back on now?? because i want to ask questions about setting up an apache server on my machi9ne
[21:33] <ikonia> Customs: sorry no, you can take 24 hours from now to think about what to do next time someone asks you to do something
[21:34] <Customs> can i get banned from the banned section??
[21:34] <ikonia> LjL: no idea
[21:34] <ikonia> nothing untoward
[21:34] <ikonia> Customs: sorry, I don't understand
[21:35] <Customs> is it possible to get banned from ubuntu-ops
[21:35] <LjL> yes
[21:35] <ikonia> yes, but that would be unwise
[21:35] <Customs> lol then where do you go to??
[21:35] <ikonia> just take 24 hours to think about your response to requests and how to behave in the channel, come back to #ubuntu-ops and we'll resolve your ban
[21:35] <Customs> matt??
[21:36] <ikonia> Customs: if you come back in 24 hours someone in here will be more than happy to resolve your ban
[21:36] <Customs> MATT??
[21:36] <ikonia> (myself included but not everyone is always active at the same time)
[21:36] <ikonia> Customs: do you understand ?
[21:36] <Customs> lol im 14 can i not have any fun??
[21:36] <ikonia> no
[21:36] <LjL> not at the expense of #ubuntu
[21:37] <Customs> this is like school man
[21:37] <ikonia> do you understand
[21:37] <ikonia> Customs: do you understand the terms I've laid out to you ?
[21:37] <Customs> do you even work for ubuntu??
[21:37] <Customs> and yes i do
[21:37] <ikonia> ok, if you understand, please leave this channel and return in 24 hours and we'll resolve your ban
[21:37] <Customs> do you work for ubuntu??
[21:38] <ikonia> where I work is not relevent
[21:38] <Customs> mcdonalds??
[21:38] <ikonia> Customs: to show you can take instructions, please leave the channel and return in 24 hours
[21:38] <Customs> Microsoft??
[21:38] <ikonia> Customs: I'll ask you one more time, please leave the channel and return in 24 hours
[21:39] <Customs> Hack the planet??
[21:39] <ikonia> the ban has now been extended to a week
[21:39] <Customs> to a week!!!!
[21:39] <ikonia> Customs: could you please leave this channel now and return in a week
[21:39] <Customs> awww cmon not a week!!!
[21:40] <LjL> Customs: it's entirely your call. it could have been 24 hours had you not behaved "smart" in here.
[21:40] <ikonia> Customs: if you do not follow the instruction to leave the channel, I'll just keep increasing the ban,
[21:40] <ikonia> please leave now and return in a week
[21:40] <Customs> but i need ubuntu!!!
[21:40] <ikonia> Customs: then you should have not behaved so foolish
[21:40] <Customs> i was having fun!!1
[21:40] <ikonia> Customs: please leave the channel now (last time I'll ask) and return in a week
[21:42] <Customs> do you know what it feels like to be banned??
[21:42] <ikonia> ok - enough now, 2 weeks
[21:42] <ikonia> !ops
[21:42] <Customs> i dont get it
[21:43] <Customs> what did i do!!!
[21:43] <Customs> i have the right to know the terms!!!
[21:43] <ikonia> stop wasting my time - I could not make it clearer, leave the channel and return in 24 hours, fail, leave the channel and return in a week, fail
[21:44] <ikonia> don't play dumb, stop wasting my time and others,
[21:44] <Customs> am i banned from all channel??
[21:44] <ikonia> just #ubuntu
[21:44] <Customs> lol
[21:44] <LjL> Customs: you're banned from #ubuntu, and you're honestly not making your ban any shorter
[21:45] <ikonia> topyli:
[21:45] <ikonia> thank you tomaw
[21:45] <ikonia> oops
[21:45] <ikonia> Customs: it would be unwise for you to continue this
[21:45] <ikonia> leave the channel now
[21:46] <Customs> I want to know why i am banned for so long
[21:46] <topyli> Customs: please don't get banned from this channel too, as it will make resolving your #ubuntu ban more difficult
[21:46] <Customs> what will happen then??
[21:46] <LjL> Customs: because you refused to read the guidelines and kept arguing, simple enough
[21:47] <topyli> Customs: please leave this channel for now, read the ubuntu irc guidelines and return in a couple of weeks as instructed
[21:49] <LjL> i think i have fixed the thing that caused Carlos| to be banned when you banned Customs, please apologize to them on my behalf if they come back
[21:50] <ikonia> LjL: sure thing
[22:56] <DexterF> wow. being played by a 14 yo troll and then ban some random guy by accident while playing wannabe guru. that's rich.
[22:56] <maco> DexterF: do you need assistance, or are you just rubber-necking?
[22:58] <DexterF> just gadflying rather
[22:59] <DexterF> well, whatever.
[23:28] <LjL> ^ why we have to keep this channel closed to people
[23:45] <elky> mhm
[23:56] <bazhang> * [H4x0rs] (~hacker@adsl196-146-43-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma): hacker
[23:56] <bazhang> ban evading
[23:56] <LjL> thought as much