[01:11] <storrgie> Why is my login MOTD saying I need to perform updates when my system is up to date? (10.04.2
[01:13] <SinnerNyx> Was working in 10.10, not working in 11.04. Running "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" gives the following output: (deprecated message)... SIOCSIFADDR: no such device   eth0: Error while getting interface flags: no such device
[01:14] <qman__> means you don't have an eth0
[01:14] <jenkinSear> does eth0 show up if you do a /sbin/ifconfig -a ?
[01:15] <qman__> might be a driver issue or a udev one
[01:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #775239 in samba (main) "loop device over samba breaks filesystem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775239
[01:31] <DAVdaBRAV> Anyone actually here?
[01:32] <JanC> maybe
[01:32] <jenkinSear> I'm not
[01:32] <DAVdaBRAV> Sounds promising
[01:33] <DAVdaBRAV> anyone here or not know where to go from "it works" to get to phpbb?
[01:33] <MTecknology> how can I check available updates?
[01:34] <MTecknology> I've always been in the habit of just updating everything
[01:34] <jenkinSear> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PhpBB2
[01:34] <qman__> DAVdaBRAV, sudo apt-get install phpbb3
[01:34] <DAVdaBRAV> that easy? really? 0_0
[01:35] <DAVdaBRAV> oh my it appears to be working! :O
[01:36] <qman__> FYI, I found the existence of that package by running 'apt-cache search phpbb'
[01:37] <qman__> you should do this whenever you intend to install software, just to see if someone else did the hard work for you
[01:37] <DAVdaBRAV> :D Thanks so much.
[01:38] <JanC> MTecknology: you aren't using byobu on your server?  ☺
[01:38] <MTecknology> JanC: no.. never got into playing with it and most systems i work with can't even get it
[01:39] <JanC> why can't they get it?
[01:40] <JanC> anyway, if you use it, you get a useful indicator at the bottom that shows up when there are upgrades available
[01:50] <MTecknology> JanC: systems are too old
[01:51] <MTecknology> JanC: what command would i run to see the packages available for update and which are security updates?
[01:51] <JanC> update-manager-text
[01:53] <MTecknology> JanC: anything that wouldn't make me install 85 packages?
[01:53] <JanC> ☺
[01:54] <MTecknology> eh.. update-manager-core instead of update-manager :P
[01:55] <MTecknology> lied - it's not available from that
[01:55] <MTecknology> that's just too many deps
[01:55] <JanC> update-manager-text is a package here, but probably not available in older versions
[01:56] <MTecknology> oh, 5 deps, still a bit
[01:56] <MTecknology> definitely not the list I was looking for...
[01:57] <MTecknology> I'm looking for something I can use in scripts
[01:58] <JanC> well, wajig has a command to list available package upgrades
[01:59] <JanC> cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | egrep '^(Package|Status|Version):' | awk '/^Package: / {pkg=$2}      /^Status: / {s1=$2;s2=$3;s3=$4}     /^Version: / {print pkg,$2,s1,s2,s3}' | grep 'ok installed' | awk '{print $1,$2}' | sort -k 1b,1
[01:59] <JanC> thats' what it uses to get that  :P
[01:59] <JanC> eh, more or less
[01:59] <MTecknology> woah
[02:00] <MTecknology> I was hoping something like.... aptitude available-updates :P
[02:02] <JanC> "apt-get upgrade -s" will list what packages it would normally upgrade
[02:02] <JanC> you'll have to parse that though  ☺
[02:04] <JanC> MTecknology: you could also use python-apt of course
[02:05] <MTecknology> JanC: ☺
[02:05] <MTecknology> python-apt may be a pretty good idea for this
[02:06] <JanC> or update-manager-core
[02:08] <JanC> which should contain everything you need to get that list
[02:12] <DAVdaBRAV> Question: does Ubuntu have a modified package for phpbb?
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> Okay, I give up.  Can someone explain virtual networking with KVM / libvirt / virt-manager to me?
[02:35] <DAVdaBRAV> nope. apparentally not.
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> The goal:  Have my VMs directly-connected to the network, getting IP addresses from the same DHCP server & pool as all of my physical machines.
[02:35] <qman__> then you want a bridged configuration
[02:36] <koolhead17> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> qman__: I know that much, but can't manage to get it working.
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> yeah...already read that.
[02:36] <qman__> I haven't dealt much with virtualization in a while
[02:36] <qman__> only used KVM once, briefly
[02:37] <tonyyarusso> also, it's unclear how current that wiki page is.
[02:37] <twb> Is it safe to run pvck on an active LVM PV?
[02:37]  * kthomas_vh_ searches for how to install prce.h for APC
[02:37] <Azelphur> Is there any way in ubuntu-server to do a rebootless distribution update/kernel update?
[02:38] <kthomas_vh_> *pcre
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> It seems like virt-manager tries (and fails) to create its own bridges and stuff, thus breaking everything you had set up.
[02:41] <qman__> Azelphur, yes, with ksplice
[02:41] <qman__> the update service isn't free for servers, though
[02:42] <Azelphur> hmm, why would you have to pay for it?
[02:43] <qman__> because writing kernel patches takes time and effort
[02:43] <qman__> the technology is open source, it's the update service they charge for
[02:44] <Azelphur> do they have to do something majorly special to do rebootless updates?
[02:44] <qman__> it requires writing binary kernel patches
[02:44] <qman__> it's different from compiling a new kernel
[02:45] <Azelphur> I see :p
[02:45] <Azelphur> what's the difference between desktop and server?
[02:45] <Azelphur> or do they just charge for server for the hell of it :p
[02:45] <qman__> the package set
[02:46] <qman__> the free service requires the GUI app
[02:46] <Azelphur> I see :p
[02:47] <qman__> though I'm not sure on the legalities and their terms of service
[02:47] <Azelphur> No FOSS alternatives to it?
[02:48] <qman__> it is FOSS
[02:48] <qman__> the software they use is all open source
[02:48] <Azelphur> oh :p
[02:48] <qman__> they simply charge for the patches and service
[02:48] <qman__> like how canonical charges for support services
[02:48] <qman__> if you want to write your own patches, you can
[02:49] <Azelphur> would ksplice allow me to go through a complete distribution upgrade without a reboot?
[02:49] <Azelphur> or would it only get me through kernel updates
[02:49] <qman__> ksplice only applies to kernel updates
[02:49] <qman__> but kernel updates are the only ones that require a reboot
[02:49] <qman__> all other updates can be applied by restarting services
[02:50] <Azelphur> so that's a yes? :)
[02:50] <qman__> I used it on 9.04 before they started charging, didn't reboot my router for well over a year
[02:50] <Azelphur> fun
[02:50] <Azelphur> I have a server that really wants 24/7 uptime, so it's interesting to me :p
[02:51] <Azelphur> still on 10.04 would like to update it :)
[02:51] <qman__> well, the service isn't very expensive, it's just a matter of whether that feature is that valuable to you or not
[02:52] <qman__> if I was running a business that depended on uptime, I'd buy it
[02:52] <Azelphur> yea, I'm tempted to, I'm mostly just being a cheap-ass at this point xD
[02:52] <qman__> but a few minutes to reboot on occasion is perfectly acceptable for what I'm running
[02:52] <Azelphur> I pay $150 a month in server hosting, I should really invest $3 xD
[02:53] <qman__> well, I can tell you it works well and it's very convenient
[02:53] <Azelphur> it sounds it :)
[03:02] <MTecknology> what would a person generally pick for an rpc port?
[03:09] <qman__> people generally don't pick RPC ports, that's how the protocol works
[03:10] <qman__> and that's why it's a huge pain and should be avoided if possible
[03:11] <twb> portmapper is pre-internet tech, so it assumes that it's expensive to set up a new computer on the network, and you'll be the only one with root on any machine
[03:11] <twb> (I assume by "RPC" you mean portmapper and not, say, ajax.)
[04:14] <DAVdaBRAV> help! how to open a tar?!
[04:15] <DAVdaBRAV> sudo tar -xvjf file /dir isn't working... :(
[04:17] <shauno> -j is specifically for tar.bz2; does that match the file you're trying to open ?
[04:17] <DAVdaBRAV> yes
[04:18] <shauno> do you get any error messages?
[04:18] <DAVdaBRAV> Record size = 8 blocks
[04:18] <DAVdaBRAV> tar: /var/www: not found in archive
[04:18] <DAVdaBRAV> exit with failure due to errors :/
[04:18] <twb> DAVdaBRAV: by passing /var/www you are asking it to extract only /var/www from itself.
[04:19] <twb> DAVdaBRAV: to specify a destination, pass -C
[04:19] <DAVdaBRAV> OH
[04:19] <twb> DAVdaBRAV: or simply cd to it first
[04:19] <DAVdaBRAV> facepalm**
[04:20] <DAVdaBRAV> :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
[04:20] <twb> Yes, quite.
[04:20] <DAVdaBRAV> thank you, twb!
[05:26] <jgould> Ok, here's an odd one: I just ran sudo apt-get update, and then sudo apt-get upgrade on my server running 10.04. there were no updates. when I logged back in, I was greeted with: 45 packages can be updated, 30 updates are security updates.  What am I doing wrong?
[05:32] <twb> jgould: I have that behaviour
[05:32] <twb> jgould: for some reason my motd update isn't happening
[05:32] <twb> jgould: I haven't investigated yet; let me know what you find
[05:40] <twb> The virsh manpage says "For remote access see the documentation page on how to make URIs." -- which document is it referring to?
[05:41] <twb> I have users running virt-manager on their laptops.  I'm trying to work out if/how to give them read-only access -- virt-manager doesn't seem to have an option for this, where virsh does
[07:07] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #775343 in tftp-hpa (main) "package tftpd-hpa 5.0-11ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: el paquete tftpd-hpa no está listo para configurarse  no se puede configurar (estado actual `half-installed')" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775343
[07:25] <Macer> wow bind is a pain
[07:26] <Macer> took me forever to realize that ubuntu-server and apparmor automatically change write permissions to dirs
[07:26] <Macer> i couldn't figure out why i couldn't to the log file.. ugh
[07:27] <Macer> couldn't write
[07:36] <twb> Macer: +1 for nsd and unbound
[07:37] <twb> Oh wait, bind is isc dhcpd
[07:37] <twb> I was thinking named
[07:37] <Macer> bind = named ;)
[07:37] <twb> Right right
[07:37] <twb> MOAR COFFEE
[07:37] <Macer> the apparmor stuff was making me pull my hair out
[07:38] <twb> me love nsd3
[07:38] <jgould> Coffee is good
[07:38] <twb> jgould: one too many o's
[07:38] <jgould> Heh
[07:45] <Macer> this tyan board is flawed
[07:46] <Macer> Core1 Temp:  +80.0°C
[07:46] <Macer> it is hovering 5C below its thermal shutdown temp
[07:48] <twb> probably worse if you turn it on
[07:48] <twb> O'course it could just be that lm-sensors is poorly calibrated for that unit
[07:49] <twb> It's not uncommon for sensors to report with a 20 degree offset or so
[07:51] <Macer> that is maxed out
[07:51] <Macer> i was runnning boinc on it to burn it up a bit to make sure it would stay up under a heavy load
[07:51] <twb> Not cpuburn?
[07:51] <Macer> cpuburn? :)
[07:52] <Macer> didn't even know there was such a thing
[07:54] <Macer> i figured boinc would use the cpus maxed out
[07:54] <Macer> which it did.. one cpu hovers in the low 60s which is pretty normal.. cpu2 hovers around high 70s
[07:56] <Macer> ah well. i will just run boinc full speed for a day or two and see if it melts.. if it doesn't then hopefully it can stay up
[07:58] <twb> Unless it's a hot day or the A/C dies or the fan dies...
[09:02] <Macer> yeah i suppose that can happen. ah well. it will give me a reason to make a new one ;)
[09:02] <Macer> it's a dual opteron 285... clocking about 6 years old now
[09:55] <huats> morning
[11:45] <_johnny> any users of mod_python? i have a question about embedded python, which - according to docs - is <% # code %> - however this is not recognized by my setup (i only have .py added as a handle). <?php ?> tags work, so my question is, how do i enable this for mod_python?
[11:45] <_johnny> i've tried adding .psp and using that extension, however those file are reported as not found (and yes, the filename is correct)
[11:46] <_johnny> as per http://www.modpython.org/live/current/doc-html/pyapi-psp.html
[11:48] <soren> _johnny: Have you done any configuration at all?
[11:49] <_johnny> yes. http://pastebin.com/j6k4BaAz
[11:51] <soren> _johnny: I think you need an "AddHandler mod_python.psp .psp" line.
[11:51] <reisi> hi everyone! after the last upgrades on 10.04 the tools have automounted (mount -a during boot process) an lvm2 snapshot instead of the logical volume (they have the same blkid UUID); any ideas how to fix this permanantly?
[11:54] <soren> reisi: Wow, that still happens?
[11:54] <soren> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/460906
[11:55] <soren> reisi: Oh, on Lucid?
[11:55] <reisi> soren: this is in 10.04
[11:55] <_johnny> soren: thanks! :)
[11:55] <_johnny> eller tak ;)
[11:56] <soren> velbekomme :)
[12:04] <_johnny> soren: you wouldn't happen to know if it's possible to add *two* handlers, or a generic handler which supports both .py and .psp would you? i could of course add the dir twice, but it's a bit messy ;)
[12:06] <_johnny> ah, sorry, nevermind. just needs a pipe seperator
[12:06] <_johnny> PythonHandler mod_python.publisher | .py
[12:06] <_johnny> for delegating
[12:37] <reisi> while doing rsync --dry-run [to] [from]; is it possible to get a file listing what should go to->from and from->to etc?
[12:40] <reisi> aah, itemize-changes
[14:59] <kirkland> airtonix: hiya!  if you're using the latest byobu (either in 11.04, or from the ppa:byobu/ppa), you can use "shift-f2" and "ctrl-f2" to split your terminal
[15:00] <kirkland> airtonix: and then you can use shift-f3 and shift-f4 to move between the terminal splits
[15:00] <airtonix> kirkland: pimping!
[15:00] <kirkland> airtonix: and shift-f5 will collapse all of the splits back down to one single pane
[15:01] <kirkland> ;-)
[15:02] <airtonix> kirkland: is that all in the byobu docs installed by the ppa ?
[15:03] <kirkland> airtonix: definitely in the manpage
[15:03] <kirkland> airtonix: http://manpg.es/byobu
[15:03] <kirkland> airtonix: scroll down to keybindings
[15:07] <lynxman> hey kirkland, morning
[15:08] <lynxman> kirkland: did you action into this merge? http://bit.ly/kW4ls7 Brian is asking for a SRU
[15:19] <zul> lynxman:  that needs to be fixed in oneiric first as well
[15:20] <lynxman> zul: I imagine so, was waiting for 1.2.0 release (which will happen next week)
[15:20] <zul> lynxman: hopefully the debian maintainers will package it ;)
[15:21] <lynxman> zul: yeah, they're pretty fast
[15:31] <RoAkSoAx> zul: how did they like the powernap idea at the openstack?
[15:32] <zul> RoAkSoAx: good i think, it was the very last session of the week so it wasnt well attended
[15:36] <RoAkSoAx> zul: cool
[15:36] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping
[15:55] <RoAkSoAx> zul: and were you present in the HA session?
[15:55] <zul> RoAkSoAx: for a bit of it, it was more of a presentation
[15:56] <RoAkSoAx> zul: oh ok! so nothing interesting there then
[15:56] <zul> RoAkSoAx: not that i remeber ;)
[16:07] <reisi> hmm i just installed 8GB more ram, bringing the system total to 13GB; now i'm seeing that 6GB is used to buffers; is this ... normal? under no load?
[16:07] <patdk-wk> reisi, define, normal :)
[16:08] <patdk-wk> if you have 6 gigs of ram, not being used for something else, linux will claim it for disk cache
[16:08] <reisi> patdk-wk: well the system does not have a *lot* of connections
[16:08] <patdk-wk> and even if it's used for something else, it could swap it out and claim it for disk cache
[16:08] <reisi> patdk-wk: but that's the 'cached' value from free?
[16:09] <reisi> patdk-wk: i've got 3GB cached, but 6GB in buffers
[16:09] <patdk-wk> cached is read disk buffers
[16:09] <patdk-wk> they can be instantly reused
[16:09] <patdk-wk> buffers are write caches, mainly, they need to be cleaned, before reuse
[16:10] <reisi> aah; well my system most definetly is not capable of flushing 6GB in anywhere near instantly
[16:10] <reisi> we only write peaking somewhere between 150..200 MBps
[16:13] <ssureshot> the grub menu that will appear after a failed shutdown ,, is this considered the recovery menu?  Screen is all black and will not bypass without user intervention?
[16:15] <reisi> ssureshot: grub menu is the menu of grub, it'll allow you to for example select a different kernel image to start; recovery mode is implemented through kernel parameters and as such is selectable as a different menu item
[16:16] <reisi> ssureshot: you'll automatically enter the recovery menu upon kernel and minimal services startup when you select a "linux ......... (recovery)" grub menu item
[16:18] <ssureshot> reisi: my problem is this... I had a power outage over the weekend and the server stopped at the grub menu... Black with grey lettering ect.. why does it just decide to do that sometimes?
[16:18] <ssureshot> I needed to come in to reset the server when it should have just booted
[16:18] <JasonMSP> how do i keep the color highlighting available after piping 'less' at the end of this 'find . | grep string'
[16:20] <reisi> ssureshot: hmm not sure; you'd have to know more about what happened; with the info you just gave me, it'd think that the computer came back too early, perhaps there still was some electricity problems and not all components (hard drives) started properly; who knows
[16:20] <reisi> ssureshot: buy an ups
[16:20] <reisi> ssureshot: disable automatic power-on from bios if you wont buy an ups
[16:25] <ssureshot> reisi: as far as the ups thats what blew up lol.... when I had the systems all plugged into a backup ups I started the server... .. I know this contradicts what I said before but I said that just to get the easy point across.. point bing I have proper power ,, this happens I've noticed after an improper shutdown..
[16:28] <reisi> ssureshot: hmm have to admit that now when i think about it, i've never seen a unclean shutdown on 10.04 ubuntu servers; it's been a while since we last let ups shut down the servers but that went clean as well
[16:29] <reisi> ssureshot: perhaps there's some grub feature in use with the latest ubuntu servers, but i doubt it; i'd still blame electrical problems (i've got a box that has 4 hdd's, and psu cannot afford to boot them instantly, and as such, powering up fails some times, especially with suspend to ram)
[16:35] <reisi> (md does not like if not all harddisks wake up instantly :D)
[16:36] <patdk-wk> if you have 4 drives, that start up, overload the psu
[16:36] <patdk-wk> you are seriously underpowered
[16:36] <patdk-wk> cause 4 drives starting up doesn't take much power
[16:37]  * SpamapS stretches and prepares for the final push of blueprints
[16:37] <reisi> patdk-wk: i haven't diagnosed it any further, that's my home "workstation", just a hunch again.. perhaps it could be that some of those drives just have a difficulty of starting up?
[16:38] <reisi> patdk-wk: actually the hunch is based on some article discussing the consumer psu's having low per line capabilities
[16:39] <patdk-wk> low per line?
[16:39] <reisi> per voltage lines
[16:40] <patdk-wk> na, a 800watt psu, will give you 800watts, be it a server psu, or not
[16:40] <patdk-wk> now if you go buy a 4 channel psu, and load all your drives on one channel, that is your issue :)
[16:40] <patdk-wk> personally I would only buy single channel ones
[16:41] <SpamapS> >: damnit, do they have to use the loudest possible weed eater *every* monday, right outside my window?
[16:41] <reisi> patdk-wk: have to admit that i haven't had any energy to tinker with that box, just threw it together from parts that i was able to get the day i decided to get a new one
[16:42] <ssureshot> I found this in the /etc/default/grub file #GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_RECOVERY="true" wonder if that would stop that meny from displaying,, I guess Ill have to test it
[16:43] <reisi> ssureshot: i'm pretty 99.99999% sure it's a switch for generating the recovery items to the list or not, defaults to true
[16:43] <ssureshot> I am not too familiar yet with grub2 so I've found this to read http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html
[16:43] <ssureshot> ah roger that
[16:44] <reisi> /etc/default/grub is read by the update-grub (or something like that) script .. its pretty straightforward to read
[16:45] <ssureshot> that would make sense since that probably isn't mounted yet when the menu is displayed
[16:50] <amokpaule> Hello, i have an ubuntu hom server and a non linux network printer. if i install windows 7 or windows server 2008 as an ve on my ubuntu server could i make it that my printer is installed on that ve and can i give it free over something like samba so that my linux clients can print?
[17:17] <kpettit> is there anything on a default ubuntu server setup that tries to send out emails?
[17:17] <nealmcb> kpettit: well, there are internal things like cron will mail root with errors
[17:18] <kpettit> do you know where I can find those things?  I'm trying to audit system to see what would try to email.  I'm going through cron now but it's slow
[17:22] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping?
[17:22] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: pong
[17:22] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so it works!! squid-deb-proxy + preseed
[17:22] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: :-)  you da man!
[17:23] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: how long does an install take?
[17:23] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: not much on nqa
[17:23] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: it seems a bit slower as if we were using a local mirror though
[17:23] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: can you time it?
[17:23] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: sure, let me start another install
[17:23] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool
[17:23] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: also, is it ext3 or ext4?
[17:23] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: note that ext3 will be 2x faster
[17:24] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ext3 as per your preseed
[17:24] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool
[17:24] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I'm using your nqa preseed with the modifications required for the mirror
[17:24] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hopefully we'll get that dpkg/ext4 bug fixed one day
[17:26] <nealmcb> kpettit: I just mean that the cron system itself will send mail when there is any output (presumably to stdout or stderr?)
[17:26] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: hehe... yeah!! anywyas, there's seems to also been some kind of weird behavior
[17:26] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: how so?
[17:26] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: i got it working friday night, and today I tried to do it again and couldn't install
[17:26] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: appeared that it didn't pass through the proxy
[17:27] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: after a will of try/retry checking if config was ok and restart squid-deb-proxy then
[17:27] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: it started working again
[17:27] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, weird... do you have logs from both?
[17:27] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so I'm not sure what might be going wrong
[17:27] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: the installation logs show that couldn't download from the specified mirror
[17:27] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: the proxy's didn't show any logs
[17:28] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: do you have instructions for me to test it here?
[17:28] <ScottK> robbiew: I would appreciate it if you would accept https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-o-postfix-enhancements for UDS.
[17:28] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah
[17:28] <kpettit> nealmcb, thanks.  Gives me a good spot to look
[17:28] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: install squid-deb-proxy in youir cobbler server
[17:28] <robbiew> ScottK: ack
[17:28] <RoAkSoAx> and I'll paste you the preseed
[17:29] <robbiew> ScottK: seems to be already approved...I'll make sure it's scheduled
[17:30] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:30] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/602369/
[17:30] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so jsut either netboot or use koan
[17:31] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, and where exactly do i put that?
[17:31] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: are you testing this on real hardware, or in vm's?
[17:31] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: cobbler/squid-deb-proxy is real hw
[17:31] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: installations are in VM's in two different laptops
[17:31] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool
[17:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, so i'll give that a try in a little bit
[17:32] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: paste the preseed in /var/lib/cobbler/nqa-mirror.seed
[17:32] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: and modify the profile of the imported mini ISO you'll use
[17:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: my main laptop is really hosed, so i'm going to reinstall 11.04 from scratch
[17:32] <RoAkSoAx> and point to that seed
[17:32] <kirkland> k
[17:33] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok ;)
[17:38] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok, so it took almost 4 mins and 30 secs since. This is in a VM on my x201, and takes way less time than mother laptops thanks to the SSD
[17:38] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: perfect, that's what i was hoping for ... 4-5 minutes
[17:39] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I'd like to see how it would behave when there's various systems using the proxy though!
[17:41] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I guess that the only thing now is to generate a template preseed, that automatically sets the proxy IP/port and archive to be used. And obviosly install squid-deb-proxy by default to use the proxy after installation
[17:56] <koolhead17> hi all
[18:27] <Nikolasr> Hello, i got problem on ubuntu server 11.04 anyone can help me?
[18:28] <rizzuh_laptop> How suitable is btrfs on top of mdraid 5 for four drives (up to 3TB each) on a media/storage home server, in comparison with ZFS?
[18:32] <Macer> zfs is most likely better than md any day
[18:32] <Macer> butt in your config you may wish to go true hw raid
[18:33] <Macer> a 4 drive raid card isnt that expensive
[18:33] <Macer> and they have nice things like a backup battery to keep writes in memory so  nothing is damaged on powering back up
[18:34] <Macer> honestly... other than a couple features zfs  doesnt really offer much compared to a real raid minus the cost of the controller
[18:35] <Nikolasr> Anyone having problem with graphich...after installation LOGIN SCREEN isnt readable..Whats that?
[18:35] <_johnny> Macer: compression?
[18:35] <_johnny> and dupes
[18:35] <Macer> well... dedupe too
[18:35] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, I've lost data with btrfs before, keep backups (I do)
[18:36] <Macer> all the other stuff you can already do
[18:36] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, in what scenario?
[18:36] <Macer> although datasets are also nice
[18:36] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, eg, your failure, btrfs` failure or a combination?
[18:36] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, plain desktop usage, corrupted itself, was also using compression
[18:37] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, circa 2.6.32, it's better now but it still has bugs
[18:37] <Macer> but in linux without zfs you can just bind mount if it is that serious
[18:37] <_johnny> Macer: so your selling point has become a jibberish subjective statement? :(
[18:37] <Macer> well.. zfs does  have cpu overhead
[18:37] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, alright.
[18:37] <rizzuh_laptop> Macer, should have highlighed me, just saw your messages.
[18:37] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, I agree with Macer for the most part. It's easy to get distracted by storage bling. remember, it's all about the integrity of your data
[18:37] <_johnny> you shouldn't use zfs on mac, obviously
[18:38] <rizzuh_laptop> Macer, hardware RAID doesn't address silent data corruption, which on 2-3TB drives can be a pig PITA. And it's far too expensive for a home server.
[18:38] <_johnny> ppetraki: every zfs maillist agrees
[18:38] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, you can use MD as the backing store for LVM BTW
[18:38] <Nikolasr> Anyone to help on my question?
[18:38] <Macer> rizzuh_laptop: solar winds?
[18:38] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, MD has a "check" function for bit rot
[18:38] <Macer> gamma rays? :)
[18:38] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, true, but I need the filesystem to support data checksums, so data corruption is detected.
[18:39] <Nikolasr> Guys?
[18:39] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, I can't check every day, gotta have it automatic when the file is accessed.
[18:39] <rizzuh_laptop> Macer, no, with big drives it's a noticeable issues, more so on big files.
[18:39] <Macer> journaling doesnt catch bitrot"
[18:39] <_johnny> Nikolasr: what's the question?
[18:39] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, basic checksums are already written to disk
[18:39] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, again, a good HW raid covers you pretty well
[18:40] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, nope, they're blissfully unaware of bit rot.
[18:40] <Nikolasr> @_johnny: Anyone having problem with graphich...after installation LOGIN SCREEN isnt readable..Whats that?
[18:40] <rizzuh_laptop> Macer, not journaling. ZFS does data integrity tests.
[18:40] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, netapp?
[18:40] <Nikolasr> _johnny: Anyone having problem with graphich...after installation LOGIN SCREEN isnt readable..Whats that?
[18:40] <Macer> uhm
[18:41] <_johnny> bad gfx driver mabye? only noticed it a time when i had a buggy disk inserted, but onlye 1 time on startup
[18:41] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, home media/storage server.
[18:41] <Nikolasr> When its booting from cd its requring to choose what display mode i want to choose..
[18:41] <rizzuh_laptop> Macer, ZFS checksums on block level and upon hash failure it restores from redundant locations.
[18:42] <Nikolasr> I have tried 11.04 server edition disk..But i have 8
[18:42] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, can't have it all :), and a fancy filesystem is no substitute for regular backups
[18:42] <Nikolasr> But i have 8.10 and its readable screen
[18:43] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, yeah, you go tell Joe to backup. Best alternative is to make the storage part very solid.
[18:43] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, I do storage at the kernel level for a living, for years, I can't remember the last time I encountered a bit rot event
[18:43] <Nikolasr> _johnny ?
[18:44] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, yes, it happens, but it doesn't keep me up at night
[18:44] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, perspective is everything, just having a MD based raid puts you ahead of most
[18:44] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, I have today in fact.
[18:44] <_johnny> Nikolasr: which one's readable?
[18:44] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, backups?
[18:45]  * ppetraki backs up weekly to cloud and local storage
[18:45] <Nikolasr> that one 8.10 server edition
[18:45] <Nikolasr> but i want newer one
[18:45] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, SATA?
[18:45] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, well it was from a freshly ripped disk. After-rip check passed, then a few hours later it went kaput.
[18:45] <rizzuh_laptop> yes
[18:45] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, not really. All decent NAS solutions use mdraid.
[18:45] <Nikolasr> @_johny Its like having phyroglipies..
[18:45] <_johnny> probably bogus gfx driver
[18:45] <Nikolasr> What you prefer to do
[18:46] <_johnny> get the latest driver. install with aptitude or some other ssh way
[18:46] <_johnny> try booting in safemode, maybe that'll give you a gnome way in
[18:46] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, sorry to hear about the loss, but using SATA is basically asking for bad things to happen
[18:47] <Nikolasr> My driver is on my compaq onboard vga..so i dont think its driver..I have compaq deskpro EN
[18:47] <_johnny> oki, dunno :>
[18:47] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, why? What would you suggest?
[18:49] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, the quality gap is deliberate, it's not because SAS/SCSI is a superior protocol, sure that helps, but the field has decided to put lower quality everything on the ATA side of the fence
[18:49] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, because it's cheaper. SAS isn't an option in this though - home media/storage server.
[18:49] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, really? It doesn't cost what it used to
[18:49] <rizzuh_laptop> it does abotu $100, which is not an option.
[18:50] <rizzuh_laptop> (for LSI 1068e, which is like... dirt cheap)
[18:50] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, yeah, nice old design :)
[18:50] <rizzuh_laptop> And SATA drives with SAS controllers don't help.
[18:50] <Nikolasr> Anyone other to help me?
[18:50] <rizzuh_laptop> The geeks might stick in a SAS card and use nice drives, but Joe won't care.
[18:50] <RoyK> rizzuh_laptop: SATA drives work well on SAS...
[18:51] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, SATA on SAS controller is literraly a forked device, there's a separate firmware stack that does just ATA, I don't recommend it, the support varies
[18:51] <rizzuh_laptop> RoyK, but you don't get the SAS advantage.
[18:51] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, LSI has good support for that.
[18:51] <rizzuh_laptop> But I know that.
[18:51] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, yeah they do, earlier adaptec SAS didn't, up until the aic94xx
[18:52] <RoyK> rizzuh_laptop: you don't get the full SAS advantage, no, but support for SAS expanders etc is good
[18:52] <Macer> tigerdirect sells fake plants
[18:52] <Macer> wth?
[18:53] <Moobyfr_> sata drives aren't made to work 24h a day 365...
[18:53] <ppetraki> that's right
[18:53] <rizzuh_laptop> RoyK, for home media/storage server... that's useless, heh.
[18:53] <RoyK> Moobyfr_: some of them are, but not all
[18:53] <ppetraki> the "enterprise" SATA ones
[18:53] <rizzuh_laptop> Moobyfr_, some are, eg hitachi's 7K line is the same as the Ultrastar, except warranty.
[18:53] <rizzuh_laptop> 7K3000 == A7K3000 - warranty
[18:54] <Macer> my wd 1TB drives have been running since 2007
[18:54] <ppetraki> I literrally refer to SATA as just another 4 letter word, it's caused me so much grief with customers cutting corners.
[18:55] <Macer> 24 hrs a day without a hiccup
[18:55] <ppetraki> seen people buy 12K servers only to populate it with the worlds cheapest disks. insane
[18:55] <RoyK> Moobyfr_: I read a test done over several years with about 100k drives of all sorts of makes, from desktop to enterprise, SATA, SAS, FC etc, and the end result was there wasn't possible to determine which drives were better in terms of reliability
[18:55] <Macer> haha
[18:55] <RoyK> Moobyfr_: we're using desktop drives for some 350TB net storage, and it works
[18:56] <Moobyfr_> I can provide my stats about HD :)
[18:56] <ppetraki> that's wonderful, it doesn't compare to my first hand experience :)
[18:56] <Moobyfr_> on several yers there is no choice :)
[18:56] <RoyK> Macer: no haha - that was the numbers - several very large datacentres were involved - the same result came from google's internal report a few years ago
[18:57] <RoyK> imho the only way to be safe, is to have good redundancy
[18:57] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, so I get where you're coming from, you want to do more with less. If ZFS is that important to you, and this is basically a well purposed appliance you could go with one of those open sourcy solaris distros and call it done
[18:57] <RoyK> enterprise drives fail just as quickly as desktop drives
[18:58] <RoyK> say WD - the only difference between a WD Black and the 'raid level' aka 'enterprise' drive, is the firmware - same build, same production line
[18:58] <Macer> RoyK: money talks
[18:59] <RoyK> perhaps some burn-in for the enterprise, but you can do that easily yourself
[18:59] <Macer> which is why datacenters are redundant
[18:59] <RoyK> and which is why many datacentres uses desktop drives, because they work just as well
[18:59] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, it's important because it offers a solid advantage over competitors, and is a legitimate need.
[18:59] <Macer> cheaper short  term to replace a cheap disk here and there than to pay for the more expensive ones in one shot
[19:00] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, Linux has been doing "we need a super FS" for almost a decade now, XFS, JFS, reiser, and  now finally btrfs
[19:00] <RoyK> for our 350TB setup, the price would be more than doubled if we chose enterprise drives, so we didn't
[19:00] <RoyK> ppetraki: you need ZFS :)
[19:00] <Macer> RoyK: no point with proper redundancy
[19:00] <rizzuh_laptop> ppetraki, yeah, I've seen that.
[19:00] <ppetraki> RoyK, I need multipath to work better
[19:01] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, at the high end, they just throw an EMC or NA at it and call it done
[19:01]  * RoyK has moved to openindiana for storage - linux simply isn't good enough
[19:01] <Macer> oi was a letdown
[19:01] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, but with everything getting cheaper, more can be done in software to bridge that gap
[19:01] <Macer> i loved osol
[19:01] <Macer> oi is stunted
[19:01] <ppetraki> rizzuh_laptop, so btrfs/zfs have arrived at the right time
[19:02] <Macer> damn you  oracle!
[19:02] <RoyK> Macer: really?
[19:02] <RoyK> works for me (tm)
[19:02] <ppetraki> I have to get going, hope you get your data sorted out
[19:14]  * SpamapS starts the neverending erlang compile
[19:22] <andygraybeal> RoyK, i agree with you about openindiana for storage.  i've been considering nexentastor for a while now.  (it's opensolaris now. but they are moving to openindiana)
[19:23] <RoyK> andygraybeal: nexenta is ok, but nexentastor is incredibly overpriced
[19:24] <andygraybeal> true, i don't have that many resources, so it was free for me
[19:24] <RoyK> with 100TB, you'll pay more for the license than for the hardware, and you won't get any guaranteed support or onsite help, so imho it's rather worthless - better spend more money on redundancy
[19:24] <andygraybeal> i'm not at the point where i have the knowledge to do any of that stuff with out a webform prompting me.
[19:25] <andygraybeal> i was proud when i got ZFS permssions working!!@ (not posix pos in linux)
[19:25] <RoyK> andygraybeal: if you're using zfs, whatever platform, and the shit hits the fan, you need knowledge and good support personenl inhouse, not someone to call
[19:25] <andygraybeal> it worked like a dream,and just like the documentation said.
[19:26] <RoyK> zfs-fuse is ok, but it's a bit on the slow side on writes, last I checked
[19:51] <_SHuN_> after upgraded my kernel, the motd is showing dupplicated...
[20:02] <ignarps> _SHuN_, edit /etc/motd.tail ?
[20:02] <ruben23> hi guys
[20:03] <ruben23> hi guys do i need x server installed on my ubuntu server to used virt-manager..?
[20:03] <ruben23> for KVm virtualization..?
[20:04] <pmatulis> ruben23: i use virt-manager remotely (over ssh) and the remote host does not have a desktop interface.  just install 'virt-manager' on the remote host
[20:05] <ruben23> pmatulis: ok thanks
[20:10] <_SHuN_> ignarps: thx
[20:13] <RoyK> someone should teach bug reporters to post in English
[20:16] <genii-around> Or internationalize the bug reporting or something
[20:16] <RoyK> heh - run it through google translate? that can introduce a few issues :P
[20:17] <genii-around> Yeah maybe
[20:18] <bsodmike> hello :)
[20:22] <RoyK> EHLO
[20:24] <bsodmike> hey RoyK
[20:24] <bsodmike> I had to run mount -t devpts /dev/ptmx /dev/pts on my box
[20:25] <bsodmike> any ideas how I can get this to persist at boot?
[20:25] <bsodmike> this was to get screen working right again
[20:25] <bsodmike> else it'd whine about no more PTYs
[20:27] <RoyK> bsodmike: strange - the ubuntu servers I've installed haven't had a problem with PTYs
[20:27] <bsodmike> mine's running as VPS @ media temple
[20:27] <bsodmike> just had this one issue after a container restore
[20:27] <RoyK> well, add it to /etc/fstab
[20:29] <_johnny> hi. i officially give up so now i come to ask for help. i've installed apache2, php5(.3.3) and phpmyadmin. apparently php5.3.3 packaged with ubuntu packages isn't built with mysql support (built-in for 5.3+). any ideas how to fix this? i've tried compiling myself and installing... however, apache2 still loads the 5.3.3 one (as opposed to 5.3.6)
[20:30] <RoyK> _johnny: apt-get install php5-mysql
[20:31] <RoyK> you may have to restart apache after that one
[20:31] <_johnny> RoyK: i already have that
[20:32] <bsodmike> RoyK: it's listed in mtab already?
[20:32] <RoyK> php5 mysql support has been working for ages
[20:32] <RoyK> bsodmike: mtab shows what's mounted, fstab shows what's supposed to be mounted at boot
[20:32] <bsodmike> this is my fstab
[20:32] <bsodmike> proc  /proc       proc    defaults    0    0
[20:32] <bsodmike> none  /dev/pts    devpts  rw          0    0
[20:33] <RoyK> !pastebin
[20:33] <bsodmike> apologies
[20:33] <bsodmike> is that correct?
[20:33] <bsodmike> none should be /dev/ptmx ?
[20:34] <_johnny> RoyK: i'm aware. and it works on my mac just fine, however, not on ubuntu. and judging from phpinfo() my best guess is that php isn't built with mysql native driver enabled
[20:34] <hallyn_afk> yes there's no device
[20:34] <RoyK> bsodmike: never seen that issue, sorry
[20:34] <hallyn_afk> bsodmike: it's correct
[20:34] <bsodmike> oh
[20:34] <RoyK> _johnny: check /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
[20:35] <RoyK> _johnny: there should be a symlink there to /etc/apache2/mods-available for the php module
[20:35] <RoyK> _johnny: on which ubuntu version are you running?
[20:37] <_johnny> 10.10, and which module should i look for? the "php5" is enabled, there is no php5-mysql
[20:40] <RoyK> _johnny: mysql is part of php
[20:40] <_johnny> i know! :P
[20:41] <_johnny> but the apt-get install php5 does NOT have mysql built in
[20:41] <RoyK> _johnny: also, keep in mind that most servers should be running LTS releases unless there is some cutting edge software needed
[20:41] <bsodmike> johnny, a2enmod rewrite don't forget that too
[20:41] <RoyK> bsodmike: which is the same as changing symlinks......
[20:41] <bsodmike> ok nn all
[20:42] <bsodmike> RoyK
[20:42] <bsodmike> indeed :)
[20:42] <_johnny> bsodmike: i have that enabled (and working) too, but thanks
[20:42] <_johnny> RoyK: sorry, LTS?
[20:42] <RoyK> !lts
[20:42] <_johnny> fair point, but the php i have is not experimental, and it hardly looks like a bug
[20:43] <_johnny> you have to enable mysql when you compile php, so it looks (to me) more as if it just isn't built-in the "php5" package
[20:43] <kpettit> Can you have multiple apache ssl virtualhosts on the same IP address?  I keep hearing you can and that you can't.  Would love to find some good docs for it
[20:43] <_johnny> which gives merit to php5-mysql. however, the output from php is the same with or without
[21:22] <ruben23> hi guys i have a linux server with a publci ip of 123.222.13.14 - then i have a domain of itselction.com = how do i configure my server to used those domain since its already pointed to my server ip
[21:23] <JasonMSP> ruben23: google apache virtual server
[21:23] <ruben23>  JasonMSP: do i need to setup virtual server to used the domain..?
[21:26] <ppetraki> ruben23, if its just the web, then yeah vhost is what you need, however you should already be able to ssh to your box using the DNS name
[21:27] <_johnny> RoyK: i took this screenshot in case it sheds any light on things (note the missing A) for php5-mysql
[21:38] <ChrisBuchholz> Hey guys. On ubuntu 11.04 server, when i add a ppa with add-apt-repository and then apt-get update, it doesnt list the ppa in the output of the repositories it reads, and i cant install the software from the ppa either. Its like it "ignores" it. Isnt add-apt-repository the way to do it?
[21:39] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, it is, but not all PPAs support the distro you're running
[21:39] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: but this one does: https://launchpad.net/~jerome-etienne/+archive/neoip?field.series_filter=natty
[21:40] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, so what does your /etc/apt.d look like then?
[21:40] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, err, /etc/apt/sources.d
[21:41] <ChrisBuchholz> /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
[21:41] <ruben23>  hi guys if i create a guest VM on kvm- and its using NAt to guest VM are ther any chances i can access the guest Vm outside network or remotely..? how do i do that..?
[21:41] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, yeah, that one :)
[21:42] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: theres a jerome-etienne-neoip-natty.list and jerome-etienne-neoip-natty.list.save files inside
[21:42] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: and they seem to contain what they should
[21:42] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, so it's deb.... natty main ?
[21:43] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: yes indeed
[21:45] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, then the cache would be the next diagnostic step
[21:45] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: can i do a "update-no-cache"?
[21:46] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, I'm no apt expert :(
[21:46] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, I think it's apt-get clean && apt-cache gencaches
[21:46] <ppetraki> Hmm... what would be the right channel for this particular question?
[21:47] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, #ubuntu-packaging ? that's a guess
[21:48] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: hmm, i will google a bit for how to empty cache first
[21:48] <ChrisBuchholz> the commands you gave didnt work
[21:48] <ChrisBuchholz> or, yes, they worked, but ... :P
[21:50] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, that's odd, yeah, if you can resolve that URL (I can), and the list file is correct and you don't see it in the updates then something silly is going on
[21:50] <ChrisBuchholz> yeah, indeed
[21:50] <ChrisBuchholz> havent had this problem before
[21:54] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, an strace of apt-get update would be useful, dump it to a file. atleast then you would see if it actually opened the new list file or not
[21:56] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: https://gist.github.com/952345
[21:58] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: you see?
[21:58] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, yeah
[21:58] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, try this instead, "strace -o out.list apt-get update"
[21:59] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, http://pastebin.com/rQ5mXiSk
[21:59] <_johnny> ok, i give up. i'll run the interface for mysql on a different OS :P
[21:59] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, so there I can verify that it's actually read my ppas
[22:02] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: http://paste.ubuntu.com/602496/
[22:07] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, what language locale are you running?
[22:08] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: i would guess english?
[22:09] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, I'm just trying to make sense of this, it finds your sources file, allocs a fd to it and does real work
[22:09] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, open("/etc/apt/sources.list.d/jerome-etienne-neoip-natty.list", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 4
[22:09] <ppetraki> read(4, "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jer"..., 8191) = 140
[22:09] <ppetraki> read(4, "", 8191)                       = 0
[22:09] <ppetraki> close(4)
[22:10] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, that's around line 183
[22:10] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: yeah. So it should wok?
[22:10] <ChrisBuchholz> work
[22:10] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, correct
[22:11] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, so this could be a gpg fumble (silently) or something else, but apt knows it's there, and it's been discounted for some unexplained reason
[22:11] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, sounds like you've got an interesting little puzzle :)
[22:12] <ChrisBuchholz> in this case, i dont like puzzles! :P
[22:12] <ChrisBuchholz> just tried with another ppa - some thing
[22:13] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, well, atleast it's consistent
[22:13] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, I think bringing this to more of an admin channel would be of better use to you
[22:14] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, seeing that no one has jumped up to help you except for a kernel engineer who has a disdainful relationship with userspace :-p
[22:14] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, it got the distro right too, see natty in the filename
[22:15] <ChrisBuchholz> yes i see that
[22:16] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, <05:15:25>tmp$ echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jerome-etienne/neoip/ubuntu natty main" | wc -c
[22:16] <ppetraki> 68
tmp$ echo "deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/jerome-etienne/neoip/ubuntu natty main" | wc -c
[22:16] <ppetraki> 72
[22:16] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, 72+68=140, so the read is probably accurate
[22:17] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: alright. Dont know what that mean but i trust you :)
[22:17] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, see this? read(4, "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jer"..., 8191) = 140
[22:17] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: yes
[22:17] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, it means the read call succeed in acquiring 140 chars
[22:18] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: ah right
[22:18] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, I went to the PPA and replicated what the deb, deb-src lines should look like if they're correct, and the two lines add up to 140
[22:18] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, simple checksum :)
[22:19] <ChrisBuchholz> yes ;
[22:19] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, so we know apt isn't ignorant of the data, it's discarded it for some reason. You might have found a bug :)
[22:19] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: but i dont need a bug right now! :D
[22:19] <ChrisBuchholz> aah:D
[22:19] <ChrisBuchholz> ppetraki: well, thank you so far. Have to get to bed now, school tomorrow!
[22:20] <ChrisBuchholz> bye
[22:21] <dob_> what will i have to allow in iptables to remove this log message: IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=46.6.19.231 DST=217.222.221.76 LEN=84 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=47324 PROTO=ICMP TYPE=0 CODE=0 ID=15983 SEQ=2
[22:22] <ppetraki> ChrisBuchholz, bye
[22:22] <dob_> SRC is my servers address, dST is the host i ping from
[22:22] <dob_> Tried iptables -A OUTPUT -p ICMP 		--icmp-type echo-request -j ACCEPT
[22:24] <ppetraki> dob_, -A INPUT ?
[22:24] <david5345> Can I set asterisk global variables from /etc/default/asterisk ?
[22:24] <dob_> tried that too
[22:25] <alamar> dob_: dont append but insert
[22:25] <alamar> if you somewhere above the new rule already -j DROP icmp stuff the rule will never be reached within your input chain
[22:26] <dob_> ah alright
[22:28] <dob_> alamar: thanks! that was the reason *sigh*
[22:29] <alamar> np
[22:37] <dob_> if i have a -P OUTPUT ACCEPT and create a -j LOG, will then the accepted connections be logged?
[22:37] <dob_> is that correct?
[22:56] <Macer> why doesnt the motd change?
[22:56] <Macer> i changed it  with sudo and it keeps going  back to the default
[23:00] <Macer> seriously? must motd be this complicated?  lol
[23:00] <soren> Macer: Look at /etc/update-motd.d
[23:01] <soren> Macer: Short version: Put something in /etc/motd.tail and it'll get appended to motd. That's probably the easiest, but may not be what you're looking for.
[23:06] <Macer> ok thanks
[23:06] <Macer> :)
[23:28] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping
[23:50] <reyeryshs> I need help on my ubuntu E. cloud
[23:51] <reyeryshs> I've try entering my server ip and :8443 and it gave me "Invalid Server CertificateA request failed because the server's certificate was invalid."
[23:53] <SpamapS> ugh we need to get on our Triage horses
[23:54] <RoAkSoAx> lynxman: ping