[00:00] Did I manage to get what running? [00:03] I'm going to see if the broadcomm drivers from the restricted pool will install on the MacBook [00:24] jgould: ...That's something I've never heard of. :) [00:24] * canthus13 would be interested in knowing if that works. [00:25] It's a Broadcomm 4331. Xubuntu didn't find any drivers for it... :( [00:30] I found somethign for the wireless but it relies on nidswrapper [00:35] :D http://thedailywh.at/2011/05/01/for-great-justice-of-the-day [00:40] jgould: any luck? [00:40] Nope [00:41] I'm still working on it though. [00:41] I wish I could help, but I don't know anything about Mac's [00:41] * dmcglone despises macs [00:41] why? [00:42] everything too tied together [00:43] anyone correct me if I'm wrong, but IMHO with a Mac, it's the Mac way or the highway [00:43] yes, and no. [00:44] can you elaborate [00:45] * dmcglone wants to be head of the chat for a day :-) [00:46] I'm running Xubuntu on my Mac Mini, everything works. Sure it's a little harder to dig into the machine and tweak phsycial things (at least on this one) but the machine is solid. The MacOS is pretty locked down, but you can use other OS's on the hardware [00:47] cool, I was under the impression everything had to be mac specific [00:48] no. Nope [00:49] nice knowing that I may look into a mac someday [00:49] getting things working is a pain in the butt. My next system may be a machine from System76 [00:50] if I've got a driver that I've wrapped with ndiswrapper, how the hell do I load it.. [00:50] I hear good things about system76 [00:51] I usually just buy one from the store and re-arrange it myself [00:52] I saw quite a few netbooks at the meeting today [00:53] Yeah. I got my Aspire at Wal-Mart, got 2 of them for 280.00 or something like that [00:53] I want to get me an acer tablet too [00:54] that may be the way to go for a ultra portable system that you don't really care about [00:54] jgould: Did you look at Macbuntu? [00:54] true [00:54] (If you like the mac look) [00:54] I love the hardware [00:55] Ok I got me a new USB drive and put 11.04 on it, now i'm gonna try and boot it [00:55] I'll be back [00:56] I can live with the look of Xubuntu if I can get the wireless going. there are only a few closed source apps that I rely on and one of them has a version for Linux [01:02] wow... I just had the Xubuntu live CD lock up on the MacBook [01:03] I think it's just a matter of time until someone gets this wireless issue resolved. Damn Broadcom [01:06] * canthus13 despises mac users. [01:06] why? [01:06] Or OSX users, I guess. [01:07] jgould: because they're stupid. They like everything spoon-fed to them. The slightest thing goes wronga nd they flip out, blame everyone BUT their precious mac. [01:07] * canthus13 does ISP tech support, needs to vent occasionally. :) [01:07] I've been in your shoes [01:08] The average idiot is bad enough, but mac users are in a class of their own. they're willfully ignorant.... (ANd yes, I know I"m making generalizations...) [01:09] Most of them woudn't know waht to do with a terminal... [01:10] Heh. Fortunately, I've been dealing with a number of linux users lately... Most of them noobs, but they're more than willing to learn. :) [01:10] they know what they are getting them selves into, generally... [01:10] ACtually, several of them had the machines given to them with ubuntu installed. [01:10] Dunno who is giving it out... I wish I did. :/ [01:11] Heh [01:11] Kinda weird being the loco lead and not knowing who it is. [01:11] Err. ReLoCo lead, that is. [01:11] which regoin? [01:11] TOledo. [01:13] you use modprobe to load modules, right?> [01:13] yes jgould [01:13] I'm down in Columbus [01:13] Damn... Locked it up again... [01:17] I'm going to give 11.04 a try for a few days before I knock it [01:17] Was there a show of irc clients? [01:18] Unit193: nah, jacob just happen to be using his and we liked it [01:18] yep [01:19] I'm really not a fan of console apps, but this one isn't all that bad [01:19] irssi is another good terminal client if you're looking to try some out. I just found weechat easier to use [01:19] XChat is a nice graphical irc client, too [01:19] I like the way it looks [01:20] irssi is what I use. It really is nice once you make it your own [01:20] in fact, the built-in chat client (empathy) on ubuntu supports IRC as well, though it can be annoying how it handles some things. [01:20] I hated empathy [01:20] I hated that piece of shit with a passion [01:20] lol [01:20] it's not all that bad ;) [01:21] I normally use pidgon [01:21] pidgin* [01:21] i don't use it for irc, but empathy is a rather nice jabber/gtalk client [01:21] pidgin blows it out of the water [01:22] And it supports Gtalk voice [01:22] If pidgon wasn't around I'd switch to KDE's one [01:22] a matter of opinion, really. pidgin does some thing I don't care for, but I digress ;) [01:22] I will say that Multitouch is something that I will miss ifI make the switch to the Ubuntu [01:22] empathy supports voice as well, it did before pidgin, actually.. [01:22] I didn't know this as I don't use Empathy [01:22] anyway, i need to get back to writing this speech :D [01:22] Ok [01:22] jacob: Good luck! [01:23] ty [01:23] (it's an easy class, I just don't want to do it. :P) [01:23] That sounds like me [01:23] on the last release of Ubuntu, I needed to get drivers for my netowrk card, but unity set it up in a jiff [01:24] jacob: when I was in college, I wanted to do it, but I was just too lazy.. :-) [01:24] heh heh [01:24] * canthus13 loves irssi. :) [01:24] I procrastinated all the fuckin time [01:25] * canthus13 will procrastinate next week. [01:25] Stupid brain... [01:25] all I wanted to do is drink and play hacky sack [01:26] why next week canthus13? [01:26] :P [01:26] dmcglone: A funny joke... [01:26] Duh... Bluetooth keybaord isn't working to accecpt the command to go into single user [01:27] jgould: sound like too much hassle than what it's worth [01:27] Nope, just have to use the built in keybaord on the macbook [01:27] Unit193: I missed the joke :-/ [01:28] dmcglone: I'll procrastinate later.... [01:28] It's a shame you couldn't make it today Unit193 [01:29] dmcglone: I know! I wanted to see the people I talk to ;) [01:29] Ubuntu-Ohio ROCKS [01:29] ...So I know they are not just a bunch of stalkers [01:29] Hey! I'm brand new, so what does that tell you [01:29] New stalker? ;) [01:29] Yes, New stalker [01:30] fresh out of stalker school ;) [01:30] jgould: you the one with the white mac right? [01:30] silver, but yes [01:30] I really missed out on all the fun... [01:30] yes jgould is the stalker and I'm the troll [01:30] My wife was bored [01:31] I thought I was the stalker? What am I? [01:31] Jacob tried to steal my trolling duties today [01:31] you are the stalkee [01:31] i did? ;) [01:31] * dmcglone is the best troll on IRC [01:31] lol jacob shouldn't you be writing? [01:31] LOL [01:31] i am, i am :D [01:32] * jacob gets pinged when name is said, so is curious [01:32] yeah, yeah. been there done that, you can't tell me otherwise.. LOL [01:32] oops [01:32] sorry [01:32] I forget that happens. can't blame a deaf guy who doesn't hear pings [01:32] LOL [01:32] no problem, if it really mattered i'd turn off notifications for it, but i'm just idly writing anyway [01:33] heyya all [01:33] LOL [01:33] hey hey paultag [01:33] wutttup jacob [01:33] Hey paultag [01:33] yo paultag [01:33] jacob: s'new? [01:33] heyya jgould, dmcglone [01:33] paultag: the toll of class, as usual. writing something for speech class, oh joy [01:33] jacob: aye aye [01:34] I think since I made BiosElement drag his ass to the meet, he went home and went to bed [01:34] Nah, I didn't. [01:34] haha [01:34] that got his ass out [01:34] lol [01:34] Might want more then just that part of him... [01:34] (lol.) [01:35] he was sitting there secretly watching us, just waiting for his opportunity to pounce [01:35] >.> [01:35] I think Cheri703 is ghosting on us [01:35] I do that a lot [01:36] * jacob is a pro idler [01:36] +1 [01:36] I never ghost, it's a form of voyerism ;-) [01:36] lol [01:36] * canthus13 rattles his chains, moans. [01:36] get a room canthus13 [01:36] lol [01:36] canthus13: getting in to that freeky stuff, eh? [01:36] Heh [01:37] * dmcglone is a troll for hire [01:37] 1,500/hr [01:38] I have 8GB of Ram, I don't think I'm going to need swap... [01:38] Tomorrow I'm going to go buy 50 Gnomes for my front yard [01:39] probably not, but I can't say what the norm is anymore [01:40] some shit I've seen are mem hogs [01:40] Oh wait, that was KDE haha [01:40] what about me? [01:40] *ponders a name for this system [01:40] * Cheri703 was in the other room [01:40] you were ghosting [01:40] ;-) [01:41] mmk [01:41] waiting for the guys to let it all hang out and then jump in and slap the shit out of us [01:41] ;-) [01:41] nah, only when absolutely needed [01:42] Should've been there today [01:43] Then my wife wouldn't have been the only girl... XD [01:43] yeah, I wanted to! [01:43] jgould: does your wife use ubuntu? [01:43] Cheri703: nope, she just tagged along. She was bored [01:43] jgould: don't say that, I haven't come out of the closet yet...;-) [01:44] understandable [01:44] there is an ubuntu-women project. helps encourage women jump into the boy's club and participate/use ubuntu [01:44] She is unable to use Ubuntu as it's screen reader still has a ways to go [01:45] yeah it does [01:45] ah, there is also an ubuntu-accessibility team [01:45] working on improving stuff like that :) [01:46] like the system bell? [01:46] Heh [01:47] no like orca and rewriting things to work with it and such [01:47] * dmcglone is trying to figure out how to pm others with weechat [01:47] /msg [01:47] Ah [01:48] /msg paultag You're doing a bad job [01:48] /can't put a slash without a space before it? [01:48] /problem? [01:48] weird, nothing happened [01:48] dmcglone: you PM'd me, if you were trying [01:49] yeah and I see "Act: 3:paultag,1 [01:49] but don't know how to see the messages from anyone [01:49] Control N [01:50] they apper on the console (window 1) [01:55] Now I need to learn how to set a screen up for IRC so I can just connect to that [01:56] screen then type weechat-curses [01:57] I got that part, but it looked like jacob had a screen session just for irc [01:58] he was just using it in a window I believe [01:59] it was a specific screen session on his server at home [02:00] ah must've been using ssh [02:00] is that right jacob [02:02] You can be set as away if you detach from screen [02:03] what do you mean Unit193 [02:05] You know you can detach from screen? When you do that, it can set you as away [02:05] how do you detach from screen? [02:05] C-A d [02:05] Ctrl + a d [02:06] nothing :-/ [02:07] [detached from 1705.pts-0.Zeta] [02:07] Ctrl + a then ? [02:08] man screen [02:10] man screen [02:10] dang [02:10] In a terminal window.... [02:13] dmcglone: did you start a screen? [02:13] dmcglone: with the screen command [02:13] no paultag [02:13] can't figure out how [02:13] there's your problem [02:13] dmcglone: `screen' [02:13] it's a command [02:14] Ok I started byobu [02:15] screen is useful on a server install. [02:15] what is the purpose of byobu [02:16] Never used it [02:17] Ah so buobu enables you to create a bunch of windows in a console correct? [02:17] byobu* [02:19] why does this happne? [02:19] * jgould bashes his head into the desk [02:19] it looks like one would start byobu and run weechat, etc inside that console [02:19] jgould: what happened? [02:24] two installs of Xubuntu, one 32 bit, one 64 bit. the 64 bit install can see my server, the 32 bit can not... I does not understand [02:25] thats a question for Unit193 he likes Xubuntu [02:26] and ndiswrapper just took out my machine [02:27] anyone know how to create an install CD or USB Stick with an exact replica of a fully customized install? [02:27] if it's possible [02:28] I think it is, but I can't tell you how to do it. [02:28] dmcglone: UCK Ubuntu custom kitchen (or something like that) [02:29] I know theres a way to make a list of all the apps instlled, but don't know how to use it to automatically install those apps on a fresh system [02:29] oh, you can save the package list in synaptic [02:29] and then load it [02:29] or something [02:30] is that so. heh [02:30] I'll try that [02:30] open synaptic [02:30] but don't you have to have synaptic on the other system for that? [02:30] synaptic [02:30] oops [02:30] you can "save markings" [02:32] You have to have dpkg [02:32] does it automatically install the upgraded verson? [02:33] It doesn't save what version you had, only the package [02:33] ok thats what I want [02:34] I want to try 11.04 but I dread having to install all my packages again [02:35] jgould: What's your servers OS? How can you access it? [02:35] 10.04 LTS and with Samba. (I've never really tried to work with NFS before [02:36] Are you using Gigolo? And 11.04? [02:36] (Client) [02:39] I just tried gigolo, and it's not letting me view the share (or the network for that matter) and I *think* this install is 10.04 [02:39] jgould: NFS is simple. much easier than Samba. [02:41] (Just to make sure) You're using "Windows Shares" Server type and "Server" is formatted as: \\$IP ? [02:41] I've never run a linux server and client. (The MacOS is close, but it's not Linux...) My wife's laptop is the only windows client in the house [02:41] jgould: OSX at the CLI is pretty close and follows posix standards well enough. [02:42] jgould: My wife no longer uses windows, and threatened to cut me off if I put it back on her laptop. :) [02:42] d'oh [02:42] My wife can't use Ubuntu [02:42] Unit193: That's what I did, and no joy [02:42] jgould: My wife picked it up pretty quick. She uses vbox for the one or two windows programs she has to have. [02:43] canthus13: Orca isn't up to par yet... Maybe once it is I can get her to switch... [02:43] canthus13: his wife needs a decent screen reader [02:43] jgould: Sometimes that doesn't show the list but you can still connect [02:44] I can't pull up the movies share on the server [02:45] jgould: Really? Wow. I worked with a blind guy that was BEGGING to be allowed to use ubuntu. He liked Orca way better than Jaws. [02:45] the log file shows I'm connected, but I can't browse to it [02:45] It's been a while since we've used it, but when we looked at it, orca wasn't ready [02:46] jgould: if you want, I could put you in touch with someone who uses/works with orca [02:46] jgould: this was about 2 years ago.. I dunno how orca will handle Unity, though. It seems to integrate quite will with Gnome 2, and will probably handle Gnome 3 fairly well. [02:47] canthus13: Unity should have pretty strong usability requirements since a bit aspect of ubuntu is accessibility,. I'll look into it tomorrow. [02:47] bbl going to install unity : [02:47] I'm about to take this Xubuntu install and make it a regular Ubuntu install.. [02:47] BiosElement: I'm sure they'll do something to break Orca, though. :P [02:47] Heh [02:47] BiosElement, canthus13 the accessibility team is on it :) [02:47] BiosElement: Orca is a Gnome project, so I expect that it'll handle Gnome3 quite nicely. [02:48] Cheri703: let me talk to the missus about that and see waht she says [02:48] jgould: I can also put you on to someone intimately familiar with Orca. [02:48] ok, I'll poke around and see if I can get in touch with someone really familiar with it. I'm sort of part of the accessibility team, and so those are the people on the front lines of getting it working better :) [02:50] and feedback will help that [02:50] yeah [02:50] My Mac Mini is my testing box. I'll run an OS for a day, then go, Eh... and change it [02:50] definitely, so having another person who can test and give real-life feedback is helpful [02:54] Hmm. Is my desktop comptuer plugged into a power souce? [02:55] No [02:55] Heh [03:00] I do have to say that Linux has come a long way since I started with Slackware... [03:16] jgould: :D [03:16] * canthus13 started with Caldera OpenLinux 2.3... [03:26] About to see if everything works with the latest Liquorix kernel.... :) [03:26] Too many kernels... [03:26] * Unit193 just uses the default... [03:31] Hmm. [03:31] Unit193: Liquorix has that 200 line patch that is optimized for desktop use... [03:31] Seems a bit faster in some ways... booted a lot faster. [03:31] jgould: still around? [03:32] took a bit longer to load gnome-panel, and now I seem to have lost 6mhz on my processor speed, acording to conky. [03:32] canthus13: Does it take an advanced user to install? [03:32] Unit193: Not really. [03:32] Unit193: Add a repo, update keys, install the kernel. [03:33] Do you think it would be a good idea for me to try? (I know, not a question you want) [03:33] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1588760 [03:34] It can't hurt.. if it doesn't work, select a previous kernel in grub. :) [03:34] this isn't hte bad old days where you compiled a new kernel and prayed that you had a usable system when you rebooted... [03:38] Bah. No PAE. :/ [03:39] The computer is so old, anything that can help... [03:39] Unit193: From what I've read, it helps a lot on older machines. [03:40] Bah... [03:40] I would have to reboot... [03:40] 22:40:28 up 41 days, 3:56, 17 users, load average: 0.35, 0.78, 1.33 [03:41] Heh. [03:41] I had to reboot my sauerbraten server after 141 days when I upgraded it to squeeze. [03:41] I think linux figures users funny... [03:42] Unit193: No. one user per window in screen. each window in screen is a separate login. [03:43] Titan has 10 users... all of 'em me. [03:43] canthus13: I understand... I just think it's a little funny (and I need to close some, resources and all) [03:43] 22:44:26 up 21 days, 16 min, 10 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [03:45] cpu MHz : 498.432 [03:45] Wow. CLI-only? [03:46] Nope... [03:47] I'm back running unity [03:48] Unit193: Wow. [03:48] I think this'll take a little getting used to :-/ [03:48] MemTotal: 507456 kB [03:48] Can you guess it's slow? [03:48] Heh. I'm sure. [03:49] dmcglone: It made me cry. :( [03:49] I hate when the buttons are on the left [03:50] Have fun with that. it's immobile. Even freakin' OSX lets you move the stupid dock. [03:50] I'm talking about window buttons [03:50] dmcglone: easy to change [03:50] X - o [03:51] ?' [03:51] the X buttons Cheri703 [03:52] the "minimize,maximize,close"? easy to change [03:52] *at least in previous versions [03:52] no idea in unity [03:53] There. fixed frequency scaling. Now... PAE. [03:54] Unit193: But yeah... Liquorix is aimed more at lower-end machines, so you should see a bit of benefit. [03:55] Yeah, I have to do that ever install, it gets old [03:58] bah. PAE requires recompiling. :/ [03:58] * canthus13 isn't gonna bother. [03:58] So maybe this is a silly thought, but perhaps ditching unity, using gnome2 and replacing the bottom dock with AWN in the sidebar would have done better? :P [03:58] But then Canonical wouldn't have reinvented Gnome3! [04:00] >.> [04:00] is gnome 3 installed on an 11.04 install? [04:01] No. [04:02] is it easy to install? [04:02] No. It's incompatible. [04:02] hell no??? [04:02] ah jeez [04:04] well I'm calling it a night [04:04] I'll catch y'all tomorrow [04:04] g'night [04:05] You can install it... but it breaks all sorts of things. [04:05] * canthus13 tried it in natty. [04:12] anyone watching the news stuff? [04:12] bin laden is dead [04:12] and obama is late on a broadcast [04:18] they have chmod +x /bin/laden ? [04:35] Hmmmm.... http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/how-to-install-liquorix-kernel-in.html (pretty new?) [04:38] Wow: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/install-kernel-updates-without.html [04:41] Cheri703: They found him in Pakistan. [04:41] yep [04:41] * Cheri703 is watching [05:02] stupid router [05:02] hey jgould [05:02] Hello [05:03] got a response from the guy who (I think?) is the main dev for some of the accessibility stuff, and he asked if I could get more info from you/your wife on what does/doesn't work about orca for her [05:03] so perhaps your wife would be willing to be a bit of a guinea pig for a bit [05:03] *? [05:05] Let me get an account for her set up and see if I can get her infront of that keyboard [05:06] ok, whenever, just keep me posted :) and/or if you guys wanted to be SUPER helpful to the accessibility team, then you/she could take notes on what is encountered, positive and negative [05:08] because other people can test things, but someone who relies on a screen reader for daily use will notice more things [05:08] entirely agreed [05:10] No gaurentees that she will help, I can give it a shot [05:12] kk, appreciated :) she'd be helping a bunch of folks :) [05:13] Wow. here's stupid for ya: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/05/01/2011-05-01_group_of_deaf_mute_friends_stabbed_at_bar_after_thug_mistakes_their_sign_languag.html [05:14] idiots [05:14] I'm seeing reports that Bin Laden has been confirmed dead [05:14] yep. [05:15] canthus13: o.O [05:16] Gah! I'll be right back need to restart the server because of updates [05:16] Yeah. Fucked up that you could be killed for speaking because some ignorant fuck takes offense at it. [05:17] how ignorant do you have to be...also: 45 yr old woman who can be described as a "gang-banger" proud moment I'm sure [05:21] ok, I'm confused [05:22] ? [05:22] jgould: Marriage does that to a person... [05:23] Just ran sudo apt-get upgrade on the server, nothing there. when I logged back in I was greeted with: 45 packgages can be updated, 30 updates are security updates.... [05:23] I was confused before that canthus13 [05:24] apt-get update, first [05:24] Did that too [05:24] ah [05:24] then I share your confusion [05:24] heh [05:24] jgould: :) [05:26] Ok, My track ball is about to end up attached to my latop [06:07] Hmm.. I may have to give unity a shot [06:08] I don't know if !synaptics will help [06:09]