[00:00] <jgould> Did I manage to get what running?
[00:03] <jgould> I'm going to see if the broadcomm drivers from the restricted pool will install on the MacBook
[00:24] <canthus13> jgould: ...That's something I've never heard of. :)
[00:24]  * canthus13 would be interested in knowing if that works.
[00:25] <jgould> It's a Broadcomm 4331. Xubuntu didn't find any drivers for it... :(
[00:30] <jgould> I found somethign for the wireless but it relies on nidswrapper
[00:35] <Cheri703> :D http://thedailywh.at/2011/05/01/for-great-justice-of-the-day
[00:40] <dmcglone> jgould: any luck?
[00:40] <jgould> Nope
[00:41] <jgould> I'm still working on it though.
[00:41] <dmcglone> I wish I could help, but I don't know anything about Mac's
[00:41]  * dmcglone despises macs
[00:41] <jgould> why?
[00:42] <dmcglone> everything too tied together
[00:43] <dmcglone> anyone correct me if I'm wrong, but IMHO with a Mac, it's the Mac way or the highway
[00:43] <jgould> yes, and no.
[00:44] <dmcglone> can you elaborate
[00:45]  * dmcglone wants to be head of the chat for a day :-)
[00:46] <jgould> I'm running Xubuntu on my Mac Mini, everything works.  Sure it's a little harder to dig into the machine and tweak phsycial things (at least on this one) but the machine is solid.  The MacOS is pretty locked down, but you can use other OS's on the hardware
[00:47] <dmcglone> cool, I was under the impression everything had to be mac specific
[00:48] <jgould> no.  Nope
[00:49] <dmcglone> nice knowing that I may look into a mac someday
[00:49] <jgould> getting things working is a pain in the butt. My next system may be a machine from System76
[00:50] <jgould> if I've got a driver that I've wrapped with ndiswrapper, how the hell do I load it..
[00:50] <dmcglone> I hear good things about system76
[00:51] <dmcglone> I usually just buy one from the store and re-arrange it myself
[00:52] <jgould> I saw quite a few netbooks at the meeting today
[00:53] <dmcglone> Yeah. I got my Aspire at Wal-Mart, got 2 of them for 280.00 or something like that
[00:53] <dmcglone> I want to get me an acer tablet too
[00:54] <jgould> that may be the way to go for a ultra portable system that you don't really care about
[00:54] <Unit193> jgould: Did you look at Macbuntu?
[00:54] <dmcglone> true
[00:54] <Unit193> (If you like the mac look)
[00:54] <jgould> I love the hardware
[00:55] <dmcglone> Ok I got me a new USB drive and put 11.04 on it, now i'm gonna try and boot it
[00:55] <dmcglone> I'll be  back
[00:56] <jgould> I can live with the look of Xubuntu if I can get the wireless going.  there are only a few closed source apps that I rely on and one of them has a version for Linux
[01:02] <jgould> wow... I just had the Xubuntu live CD lock up on the MacBook
[01:03] <jgould> I think it's just a matter of time until someone gets this wireless issue resolved.  Damn Broadcom
[01:06]  * canthus13 despises mac users.
[01:06] <jgould> why?
[01:06] <canthus13> Or OSX users, I guess.
[01:07] <canthus13> jgould: because they're stupid. They like everything spoon-fed to them.  The slightest thing goes wronga nd they flip out, blame everyone BUT their precious mac.
[01:07]  * canthus13 does ISP tech support, needs to vent occasionally. :)
[01:07] <jgould> I've been in your shoes
[01:08] <canthus13> The average idiot is bad enough, but mac users are in a class of their own.  they're willfully ignorant.... (ANd yes, I know I"m making generalizations...)
[01:09] <jgould> Most of them woudn't know waht to do with a terminal...
[01:10] <canthus13> Heh.  Fortunately, I've been dealing with a number of linux users lately... Most of them noobs, but they're more than willing to learn. :)
[01:10] <jgould> they know what they are getting them selves into, generally...
[01:10] <canthus13> ACtually, several of them had the machines given to them with ubuntu installed.
[01:10] <canthus13> Dunno who is giving it out... I wish I did. :/
[01:11] <jgould> Heh
[01:11] <canthus13> Kinda weird being the loco lead and not knowing who it is.
[01:11] <canthus13> Err. ReLoCo lead, that is.
[01:11] <jgould> which regoin?
[01:11] <canthus13> TOledo.
[01:13] <jgould> you use modprobe to load modules, right?>
[01:13] <dmcglone> yes jgould
[01:13] <jgould> I'm down in Columbus
[01:13] <jgould> Damn... Locked it up again...
[01:17] <dmcglone> I'm going to give 11.04 a try for a few days before I knock it
[01:17] <Unit193> Was there a show of irc clients?
[01:18] <dmcglone> Unit193: nah, jacob just happen to be using his and we liked it
[01:18] <jgould> yep
[01:19] <dmcglone> I'm really not a fan of console apps, but this one isn't all that bad
[01:19] <jacob> irssi is another good terminal client if you're looking to try some out. I just found weechat easier to use
[01:19] <jacob> XChat is a nice graphical irc client, too
[01:19] <jgould> I like the way it looks
[01:20] <Unit193> irssi is what I use. It really is nice once you make it your own
[01:20] <jacob> in fact, the built-in chat client (empathy) on ubuntu supports IRC as well, though it can be annoying how it handles some things.
[01:20] <dmcglone> I hated empathy
[01:20] <dmcglone> I hated that piece of shit with a passion
[01:20] <dmcglone> lol
[01:20] <jacob> it's not all that bad ;)
[01:21] <dmcglone> I normally use pidgon
[01:21] <Unit193> pidgin*
[01:21] <jacob> i don't use it for irc, but empathy is a rather nice jabber/gtalk client
[01:21] <dmcglone> pidgin blows it out of the water
[01:22] <Unit193> And it supports Gtalk voice
[01:22] <dmcglone> If pidgon wasn't around I'd switch to KDE's one
[01:22] <jacob> a matter of opinion, really. pidgin does some thing I don't care for, but I digress ;)
[01:22] <jgould> I will say that Multitouch is something that I will miss ifI make the switch to the Ubuntu
[01:22] <jacob> empathy supports voice as well, it did before pidgin, actually..
[01:22] <Unit193> I didn't know this as I don't use Empathy
[01:22] <jacob> anyway, i need to get back to writing this speech :D
[01:22] <dmcglone> Ok
[01:22] <Unit193> jacob: Good luck!
[01:23] <jacob> ty
[01:23] <jacob> (it's an easy class, I just don't want to do it. :P)
[01:23] <jgould> That sounds like me
[01:23] <dmcglone> on the last release of Ubuntu, I needed to get drivers for my netowrk card, but unity set it up in a jiff
[01:24] <dmcglone> jacob: when I was in college, I wanted to do it, but I was just too lazy.. :-)
[01:24] <jacob> heh heh
[01:24]  * canthus13 loves irssi. :)
[01:24] <dmcglone> I procrastinated all the fuckin time
[01:25]  * canthus13 will procrastinate next week.
[01:25] <jgould> Stupid brain...
[01:25] <dmcglone> all I wanted to do is drink and play hacky sack
[01:26] <dmcglone> why next week canthus13?
[01:26] <canthus13> :P
[01:26] <Unit193> dmcglone: A funny joke...
[01:26] <jgould> Duh...  Bluetooth keybaord isn't working to accecpt the command to go into single user
[01:27] <dmcglone> jgould: sound like too much hassle than what it's worth
[01:27] <jgould> Nope, just have to use the built in keybaord on the macbook
[01:27] <dmcglone> Unit193: I missed the joke :-/
[01:28] <Unit193> dmcglone: I'll procrastinate later....
[01:28] <dmcglone> It's a shame you couldn't make it today Unit193
[01:29] <Unit193> dmcglone: I know! I wanted to see the people I talk to ;)
[01:29] <dmcglone> Ubuntu-Ohio ROCKS
[01:29] <Unit193> ...So I know they are not just a bunch of stalkers
[01:29] <jgould> Hey! I'm brand new, so what does that tell you
[01:29] <Unit193> New stalker? ;)
[01:29] <jgould> Yes, New stalker
[01:30] <jgould> fresh out of stalker school ;)
[01:30] <dmcglone> jgould: you the one with the white mac right?
[01:30] <jgould> silver, but yes
[01:30] <Unit193> I really missed out on all the fun...
[01:30] <dmcglone> yes jgould is the stalker and I'm the troll
[01:30] <jgould> My wife was bored
[01:31] <Unit193> I thought I was the stalker? What am I?
[01:31] <dmcglone> Jacob tried to steal my trolling duties today
[01:31] <jgould> you are the stalkee
[01:31] <jacob> i did? ;)
[01:31]  * dmcglone is the best troll on IRC
[01:31] <dmcglone> lol jacob shouldn't you be writing?
[01:31] <dmcglone> LOL
[01:31] <jacob> i am, i am :D
[01:32]  * jacob gets pinged when name is said, so is curious
[01:32] <dmcglone> yeah, yeah. been there done that, you can't tell me otherwise.. LOL
[01:32] <dmcglone> oops
[01:32] <dmcglone> sorry
[01:32] <dmcglone> I forget that happens. can't blame a deaf guy who doesn't hear pings
[01:32] <dmcglone> LOL
[01:32] <jacob> no problem, if it really mattered i'd turn off notifications for it, but i'm just idly writing anyway
[01:33] <paultag> heyya all
[01:33] <jgould> LOL
[01:33] <jacob> hey hey paultag
[01:33] <paultag> wutttup jacob
[01:33] <jgould> Hey paultag
[01:33] <dmcglone> yo paultag
[01:33] <paultag> jacob: s'new?
[01:33] <paultag> heyya jgould, dmcglone
[01:33] <jacob> paultag: the toll of class, as usual. writing something for speech class, oh joy
[01:33] <paultag> jacob: aye aye
[01:34] <dmcglone> I think since I made BiosElement drag his ass to the meet, he went home and went to bed
[01:34] <BiosElement> Nah, I didn't.
[01:34] <dmcglone> haha
[01:34] <dmcglone> that got his ass out
[01:34] <dmcglone> lol
[01:34] <Unit193> Might want more then just that part of him...
[01:34] <jacob> (lol.)
[01:35] <dmcglone> he was sitting there secretly watching us, just waiting for his opportunity to pounce
[01:35] <BiosElement> >.>
[01:35] <dmcglone> I think Cheri703 is ghosting on us
[01:35] <paultag> I do that a lot
[01:36]  * jacob is a pro idler
[01:36] <paultag> +1
[01:36] <dmcglone> I never ghost, it's a form of voyerism ;-)
[01:36] <dmcglone> lol
[01:36]  * canthus13 rattles his chains, moans.
[01:36] <dmcglone> get a room canthus13
[01:36] <dmcglone> lol
[01:36] <paultag> canthus13: getting in to that freeky stuff, eh?
[01:36] <jgould> Heh
[01:37]  * dmcglone is a troll for hire
[01:37] <dmcglone> 1,500/hr
[01:38] <jgould> I have 8GB of Ram,  I don't think I'm going to need swap...
[01:38] <dmcglone> Tomorrow I'm going to go buy 50 Gnomes for my front yard
[01:39] <dmcglone> probably not, but I can't say what the norm is anymore
[01:40] <dmcglone> some shit I've seen are mem hogs
[01:40] <dmcglone> Oh wait, that was KDE haha
[01:40] <Cheri703> what about me?
[01:40] <jgould> *ponders a name for this system
[01:40]  * Cheri703 was in the other room
[01:40] <dmcglone> you were ghosting
[01:40] <dmcglone> ;-)
[01:41] <Cheri703> mmk
[01:41] <dmcglone> waiting for the guys to let it all hang out and then jump in and slap the shit out of us
[01:41] <dmcglone> ;-)
[01:41] <Cheri703> nah, only when absolutely needed
[01:42] <dmcglone> Should've been there today
[01:43] <jgould> Then my wife wouldn't have been the only girl... XD
[01:43] <Cheri703> yeah, I wanted to!
[01:43] <Cheri703> jgould: does your wife use ubuntu?
[01:43] <jgould> Cheri703: nope, she just tagged along.  She was bored
[01:43] <dmcglone> jgould: don't say that, I haven't come out of the closet yet...;-)
[01:44] <Cheri703> understandable
[01:44] <Cheri703> there is an ubuntu-women project. helps encourage women jump into the boy's club and participate/use ubuntu
[01:44] <jgould> She is unable to use Ubuntu as it's screen reader still has a ways to go
[01:45] <dmcglone> yeah it does
[01:45] <Cheri703> ah, there is also an ubuntu-accessibility team
[01:45] <Cheri703> working on improving stuff like that :)
[01:46] <jgould> like the system bell?
[01:46] <jgould> Heh
[01:47] <Cheri703> no like orca and rewriting things to work with it and such
[01:47]  * dmcglone is trying to figure out how to pm others with weechat
[01:47] <paultag> /msg
[01:47] <dmcglone> Ah
[01:48] <Unit193>  /msg paultag You're doing a bad job
[01:48] <paultag> /can't put a slash without a space before it?
[01:48] <paultag> /problem?
[01:48] <dmcglone> weird, nothing happened
[01:48] <paultag> dmcglone: you PM'd me, if you were trying
[01:49] <dmcglone> yeah and I see "Act: 3:paultag,1
[01:49] <dmcglone> but don't know how to see the messages from anyone
[01:49] <jgould> Control N
[01:50] <jgould> they apper on the console (window 1)
[01:55] <jgould> Now I need to learn how to set a screen up for IRC so I can just connect to that
[01:56] <Unit193> screen then type weechat-curses
[01:57] <jgould> I got that part, but it looked like jacob had a screen session just for irc
[01:58] <dmcglone> he was just using it in a window I believe
[01:59] <jgould> it was a specific screen session on his server at home
[02:00] <dmcglone> ah must've been using ssh
[02:00] <dmcglone> is that right jacob
[02:02] <Unit193> You can be set as away if you detach from screen
[02:03] <dmcglone> what do you mean Unit193
[02:05] <Unit193> You know you can detach from screen? When you do that, it can set you as away
[02:05] <dmcglone> how do you detach from screen?
[02:05] <Unit193> C-A d
[02:05] <Unit193> Ctrl + a d
[02:06] <dmcglone> nothing :-/
[02:07] <Unit193> [detached from 1705.pts-0.Zeta]
[02:07] <Unit193> Ctrl + a then ?
[02:08] <Unit193> man screen
[02:10] <dmcglone> man screen
[02:10] <dmcglone> dang
[02:10] <Unit193> In a terminal window....
[02:13] <paultag> dmcglone: did you start a screen?
[02:13] <paultag> dmcglone: with the screen command
[02:13] <dmcglone> no paultag
[02:13] <dmcglone> can't figure out how
[02:13] <paultag> there's your problem
[02:13] <paultag> dmcglone: `screen'
[02:13] <paultag> it's a command
[02:14] <dmcglone> Ok I started byobu
[02:15] <jgould> screen is useful on a server install.
[02:15] <dmcglone> what is the purpose of byobu
[02:16] <jgould> Never used it
[02:17] <dmcglone> Ah so buobu enables you to create a bunch of windows in a console correct?
[02:17] <dmcglone> byobu*
[02:19] <jgould> why does this happne?
[02:19]  * jgould bashes his head into the desk
[02:19] <dmcglone> it looks like one would start byobu and run weechat, etc inside that console
[02:19] <dmcglone> jgould: what happened?
[02:24] <jgould> two installs of Xubuntu, one 32 bit, one 64 bit.  the 64 bit install can see my server, the 32 bit can not... I does not understand
[02:25] <dmcglone> thats a question for Unit193 he likes Xubuntu
[02:26] <jgould> and ndiswrapper just took out my machine
[02:27] <dmcglone> anyone know how to create an install CD or USB Stick with an exact replica of a fully customized install?
[02:27] <dmcglone> if it's possible
[02:28] <jgould> I think it is, but I can't tell you how to do it.
[02:28] <Cheri703> dmcglone: UCK Ubuntu custom kitchen (or something like that)
[02:29] <dmcglone> I know theres a way to make a list of all the apps instlled, but don't know how to use it to automatically install those apps on a fresh system
[02:29] <Cheri703> oh, you can save the package list in synaptic
[02:29] <Cheri703> and then load it
[02:29] <Cheri703> or something
[02:30] <dmcglone> is that so. heh
[02:30] <dmcglone> I'll try that
[02:30] <Cheri703> open synaptic
[02:30] <jgould> but don't you have to have synaptic on the other system for that?
[02:30] <dmcglone> synaptic
[02:30] <dmcglone> oops
[02:30] <Cheri703> you can "save markings"
[02:32] <Unit193> You have to have dpkg
[02:32] <dmcglone> does it automatically install the upgraded verson?
[02:33] <Unit193> It doesn't save what version you had, only the package
[02:33] <dmcglone> ok thats what I want
[02:34] <dmcglone> I want to try 11.04 but I dread having to install all my packages again
[02:35] <Unit193> jgould: What's your servers OS? How can you access it?
[02:35] <jgould> 10.04 LTS and with Samba.  (I've never really tried to work with NFS before
[02:36] <Unit193> Are you using Gigolo? And 11.04?
[02:36] <Unit193> (Client)
[02:39] <jgould> I just tried gigolo, and it's not letting me view the share (or the network for that matter) and I *think* this install is 10.04
[02:39] <canthus13> jgould: NFS is simple. much easier than Samba.
[02:41] <Unit193> (Just to make sure) You're using "Windows Shares" Server type and "Server" is formatted as: \\$IP ?
[02:41] <jgould> I've never run a linux server and client.  (The MacOS is close, but it's not Linux...) My wife's laptop is the only windows client in the house
[02:41] <canthus13> jgould: OSX at the CLI is pretty close and follows posix standards well enough.
[02:42] <canthus13> jgould: My wife no longer uses windows, and threatened to cut me off if I put it back on her laptop. :)
[02:42] <deejoe> d'oh
[02:42] <jgould> My wife can't use Ubuntu
[02:42] <jgould> Unit193: That's what I did, and no joy
[02:42] <canthus13> jgould: My wife picked it up pretty quick.  She uses vbox for the one or two windows programs she has to have.
[02:43] <jgould> canthus13: Orca isn't up to par yet...  Maybe once it is I can get her to switch...
[02:43] <dmcglone> canthus13: his wife needs a decent screen reader
[02:43] <Unit193> jgould: Sometimes that doesn't show the list but you can still connect
[02:44] <jgould> I can't pull up the movies share on the server
[02:45] <canthus13> jgould: Really? Wow.  I worked with a blind guy that was BEGGING to be allowed to use ubuntu. He liked Orca way better than Jaws.
[02:45] <jgould> the log file shows I'm connected, but I can't browse to it
[02:45] <jgould> It's been a while since we've used it, but when we looked at it, orca wasn't ready
[02:46] <Cheri703> jgould: if you want, I could put you in touch with someone who uses/works with orca
[02:46] <canthus13> jgould: this was about 2 years ago.. I dunno how orca will handle Unity, though. It seems to integrate quite will with Gnome 2, and will probably handle Gnome 3 fairly well.
[02:47] <BiosElement> canthus13: Unity should have pretty strong usability requirements since a bit aspect of ubuntu is accessibility,. I'll look into it tomorrow.
[02:47] <dmcglone> bbl going to install unity :
[02:47] <jgould> I'm about to take this Xubuntu install and make it a regular Ubuntu install..
[02:47] <canthus13> BiosElement: I'm sure they'll do something to break Orca, though. :P
[02:47] <BiosElement> Heh
[02:47] <Cheri703> BiosElement, canthus13 the accessibility team is on it :)
[02:47] <canthus13> BiosElement: Orca is a Gnome project, so I expect that it'll handle Gnome3 quite nicely.
[02:48] <jgould> Cheri703: let me talk to the missus about that and see waht she says
[02:48] <canthus13> jgould: I can also put you on to someone intimately familiar with Orca.
[02:48] <Cheri703> ok, I'll poke around and see if I can get in touch with someone really familiar with it. I'm sort of part of the accessibility team, and so those are the people on the front lines of getting it working better :)
[02:50] <jgould> and feedback will help that
[02:50] <Cheri703> yeah
[02:50] <jgould> My Mac Mini is my  testing box.  I'll run an  OS for a day, then go, Eh... and change it
[02:50] <Cheri703> definitely, so having another person who can test and give real-life feedback is helpful
[02:54] <jgould> Hmm.  Is my desktop comptuer plugged into a power souce?
[02:55] <Unit193> No
[02:55] <jgould> Heh
[03:00] <jgould> I do have to say that Linux has come a long way since I started with Slackware...
[03:16] <canthus13> jgould: :D
[03:16]  * canthus13 started with Caldera OpenLinux 2.3...
[03:26] <canthus13> About to see if everything works with the latest Liquorix kernel.... :)
[03:26] <Unit193> Too many kernels...
[03:26]  * Unit193 just uses the default...
[03:31] <canthus13> Hmm.
[03:31] <canthus13> Unit193: Liquorix has that 200 line patch that is optimized for desktop use...
[03:31] <canthus13> Seems a bit faster in some ways... booted a lot faster.
[03:31] <Cheri703> jgould: still around?
[03:32] <canthus13> took a bit longer to load gnome-panel, and now I seem to have lost 6mhz on my processor speed, acording to conky.
[03:32] <Unit193> canthus13: Does it take an advanced user to install?
[03:32] <canthus13> Unit193: Not really.
[03:32] <canthus13> Unit193: Add a repo, update keys, install the kernel.
[03:33] <Unit193> Do you think it would be a good idea for me to try? (I know, not a question you want)
[03:33] <canthus13> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1588760
[03:34] <canthus13> It can't hurt.. if it doesn't work, select a previous kernel in grub. :)
[03:34] <canthus13> this isn't hte bad old days where you compiled a new kernel and prayed that you had a usable system when you rebooted...
[03:38] <canthus13> Bah. No PAE. :/
[03:39] <Unit193> The computer is so old, anything that can help...
[03:39] <canthus13> Unit193: From what I've read, it helps a lot on older machines.
[03:40] <Unit193> Bah...
[03:40] <Unit193> I would have to reboot...
[03:40] <Unit193>  22:40:28 up 41 days,  3:56, 17 users,  load average: 0.35, 0.78, 1.33
[03:41] <canthus13> Heh.
[03:41] <canthus13> I had to reboot my sauerbraten server after 141 days when I upgraded it to squeeze.
[03:41] <Unit193> I think linux figures users funny...
[03:42] <canthus13> Unit193: No. one user per window in screen. each window in screen is a separate login.
[03:43] <canthus13> Titan has 10 users... all of 'em me.
[03:43] <Unit193> canthus13: I understand... I just think it's a little funny (and I need to close some, resources and all)
[03:43] <canthus13>  22:44:26 up 21 days, 16 min, 10 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[03:45] <Unit193> cpu MHz		: 498.432
[03:45] <canthus13> Wow. CLI-only?
[03:46] <Unit193> Nope...
[03:47] <dmcglone> I'm back running unity
[03:48] <canthus13> Unit193: Wow.
[03:48] <dmcglone> I think this'll take a little getting used to :-/
[03:48] <Unit193> MemTotal:         507456 kB
[03:48] <Unit193> Can you guess it's slow?
[03:48] <canthus13> Heh. I'm sure.
[03:49] <canthus13> dmcglone: It made me cry. :(
[03:49] <dmcglone> I hate when the buttons are on the left
[03:50] <canthus13> Have fun with that. it's immobile.  Even freakin' OSX lets you move the stupid dock.
[03:50] <dmcglone> I'm talking about window buttons
[03:50] <Cheri703> dmcglone: easy to change
[03:50] <dmcglone> X - o
[03:51] <Cheri703> ?'
[03:51] <dmcglone> the X buttons Cheri703
[03:52] <Cheri703> the "minimize,maximize,close"? easy to change
[03:52] <Cheri703> *at least in previous versions
[03:52] <Cheri703> no idea in unity
[03:53] <canthus13> There. fixed frequency scaling.  Now... PAE.
[03:54] <canthus13> Unit193: But yeah... Liquorix is aimed more at lower-end machines, so you should see a bit of benefit.
[03:55] <dmcglone> Yeah, I have to do that ever install, it gets old
[03:58] <canthus13> bah. PAE requires recompiling. :/
[03:58]  * canthus13 isn't gonna bother.
[03:58] <BiosElement> So maybe this is a silly thought, but perhaps ditching unity, using gnome2 and replacing the bottom dock with AWN in the sidebar would have done better? :P
[03:58] <canthus13> But then Canonical wouldn't have reinvented Gnome3!
[04:00] <BiosElement> >.>
[04:00] <dmcglone> is gnome 3 installed on an 11.04 install?
[04:01] <BiosElement> No.
[04:02] <dmcglone> is it easy to install?
[04:02] <BiosElement> No. It's incompatible.
[04:02] <dmcglone> hell no???
[04:02] <dmcglone> ah jeez
[04:04] <dmcglone> well I'm calling it a night
[04:04] <dmcglone> I'll catch y'all tomorrow
[04:04] <dmcglone> g'night
[04:05] <canthus13> You can install it... but it breaks all sorts of things.
[04:05]  * canthus13 tried it in natty.
[04:12] <Cheri703> anyone watching the news stuff?
[04:12] <Cheri703> bin laden is dead
[04:12] <Cheri703> and obama is late on a broadcast
[04:18] <Unit193> they have chmod +x /bin/laden ?
[04:35] <Unit193> Hmmmm.... http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/how-to-install-liquorix-kernel-in.html (pretty new?)
[04:38] <Unit193> Wow: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/install-kernel-updates-without.html
[04:41] <canthus13> Cheri703: They found him in Pakistan.
[04:41] <Cheri703> yep
[04:41]  * Cheri703 is watching
[05:02] <jgould> stupid router
[05:02] <Cheri703> hey jgould
[05:02] <jgould> Hello
[05:03] <Cheri703> got a response from the guy who (I think?) is the main dev for some of the accessibility stuff, and he asked if I could get more info from you/your wife on what does/doesn't work about orca for her
[05:03] <Cheri703> so perhaps your wife would be willing to be a bit of a guinea pig for a bit
[05:03] <Cheri703> *?
[05:05] <jgould> Let me get an account for her set up and see if I can get her infront of that keyboard
[05:06] <Cheri703> ok, whenever, just keep me posted :) and/or if you guys wanted to be SUPER helpful to the accessibility team, then you/she could take notes on what is encountered, positive and negative
[05:08] <Cheri703> because other people can test things, but someone who relies on a screen reader for daily use will notice more things
[05:08] <jgould> entirely agreed
[05:10] <jgould> No gaurentees that she will help, I can give it a shot
[05:12] <Cheri703> kk, appreciated :) she'd be helping a bunch of folks :)
[05:13] <canthus13> Wow. here's stupid for ya:  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/05/01/2011-05-01_group_of_deaf_mute_friends_stabbed_at_bar_after_thug_mistakes_their_sign_languag.html
[05:14] <jgould> idiots
[05:14] <jgould> I'm seeing reports that Bin Laden has been confirmed dead
[05:14] <canthus13> yep.
[05:15] <Cheri703> canthus13: o.O
[05:16] <jgould> Gah! I'll be right back need to restart the server because of updates
[05:16] <canthus13> Yeah. Fucked up that you could be killed for speaking because some ignorant fuck takes offense at it.
[05:17] <Cheri703> how ignorant do you have to be...also: 45 yr old woman who can be described as a "gang-banger" proud moment I'm sure
[05:21] <jgould> ok, I'm confused
[05:22] <Cheri703> ?
[05:22] <canthus13> jgould: Marriage does that to a person...
[05:23] <jgould> Just ran sudo apt-get upgrade on the server, nothing there. when I logged back in I was greeted with: 45 packgages can be updated, 30 updates are security updates....
[05:23] <jgould> I was confused before that canthus13
[05:24] <deejoe> apt-get update, first
[05:24] <jgould> Did that too
[05:24] <deejoe> ah
[05:24] <deejoe> then I share your confusion
[05:24] <jgould> heh
[05:24] <canthus13> jgould: :)
[05:26] <jgould> Ok,  My track ball is about to end up attached to my latop
[06:07] <jgould> Hmm.. I may have to give unity a shot
[06:08] <Unit193> I don't know if !synaptics will help
[06:09] <jgould> !synaptics
[06:09] <Unit193>  /msg ubottu !synaptics
[06:11] <Unit193> !synaptics
[06:11] <JITBot> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[06:12] <jgould> I can't find the settings in xfce...
[06:12] <Unit193> @part
[06:16] <Unit193> (might be old) For users of Xfce or anything else besides GNOME or KDE, install the qsynaptics package from the universe repository. For help with installing packages see InstallingSoftware.
[06:20] <jgould> Like for instance, I am unable to click drag...
[06:22] <Cheri703> hehe: http://thedailywh.at/2011/05/01/animated-gif-of-the-day-2
[06:22] <jgould> For me it always seems like I have these oddball sytems that need a lot of backend work before they start to work correctly...
[06:23] <jgould> Heh: Max Speed: 2300 MHz
[06:23] <jgould> Current Speed: 2326 MHz
[06:33] <BiosElement> Woot
[06:33] <BiosElement> So today I have to get up at 8am...and I still have work to do >.>
[06:33]  * BiosElement thinks everyone is plotting his death
[06:34] <Cheri703> heh, I was up til 7am sunday morning
[06:35] <BiosElement> I may well just say screw it and pull an all nighter
[06:35] <jgould> I was up until 6am sunday morning...
[06:35] <BiosElement> I was up till 5am sunday morning thanks to you :P
[06:36] <jgould> I didn't keep you up :P
[06:36] <BiosElement> hah, I was paying attention to IRC
[06:36]  * BiosElement blames the sky being blue on the loco
[06:39] <jgould> Heh, On a website I'm on: sudo apt-get install libreoffice I wasn't expecting to see that
[06:41] <BiosElement> >.>
[06:51] <BiosElement> General name question: How's the name "ArcEvent" for a web based event/convention management system?
[06:58] <jgould> sounds good to me
[06:58] <jgould> and Bam! just like that the xubuntu install on the macbook stopped working...
[06:59] <BiosElement> jgould: Awesome. And darn.
[07:00] <jgould> All I get is a black screen...
[07:01] <jgould> i need to reinstall rEFIt...
[07:05]  * jgould configues systems on System76
[07:09] <BiosElement> Ugh
[07:09] <BiosElement> I really should not be digging through expired domain names
[07:12] <jgould> is it bad that I use baby name websites to name my computers?
[07:13] <BiosElement> Probably. >.>
[07:14] <jgould> The newest addition to the household: Gabriella
[07:15] <BiosElement> Oh look, more awesome domains. Any thoughts on ones you like? http://pastebin.com/SeaQKmYD
[07:15] <BiosElement> >.>
[07:15]  * BiosElement could browse domains all bloody day
[07:15] <jgould> *tries to figure out why you'd buy a nettop*
[07:48] <BiosElement> canthus13 Derath-Srvr paultag itsafork jgould jacob When you get a sec, let me know what you think of these domains please. ^_^ Renaming an existing project. >.< Event management system. http://pastebin.com/9WJpeBLq
[07:48] <BiosElement> Really pleased with some of those >.>
[07:48] <jgould> I like Arcevent
[07:50] <BiosElement> Yep,  a fan of that myself.
[07:50] <Unit193> Didn't ask me but +1 ArcEvent
[07:50] <BiosElement> Unit193: I didn't want to highlight spam :P
[07:51] <BiosElement> 6 was enough >.<
[07:52] <Unit193> Just saying, I don't know if you want it ;) ( jacob will boot ya again for highlight spam)
[07:52] <BiosElement> lmao, jacob is evil and I'll remember that when he wants something ;P
[07:52]  * jgould finds the nearest table and bashes his head into it
[07:52] <BiosElement> hah
[07:53]  * BiosElement films the table bashing and sells it for major bugs to windows users ("And today we have a typical linux user. See the unique way he expresses frustration?")
[07:53] <jgould> Heh
[07:57] <BiosElement> Oh hey, I found one of the photos from my photoshoot at Anime Punch. ^_^
[07:57] <BiosElement> Yay for my new profile pic: http://i.imgur.com/PByjN.jpg ^_^
[08:00]  * BiosElement is off to sleep before he dies at 8am >.>
[08:01] <jgould> Night
[08:08]  * Unit193 is going to try alt krnl in VM just to make sure it doesn't bork the distro
[08:11] <jgould> Gah... ndiswrapper is being stupid again
[08:21] <Unit193> I'm bugging out
[08:21] <Unit193> Have a good one
[13:40] <thafreak> rm -rf /bin/laden
[13:54] <Derath-Srvr> Hi all
[14:27] <_bbb> i still got that t-shirt
[14:27]  * Derath-Srvr smirks
[14:28] <Derath-Srvr> BiosElement: As far as the domain names go, I guess it would depend on what you're using the site for
[14:58] <Derath-Srvr> jacob, itsafork, thafreak: Could we consider coordinating with "Ubuntu Stop" on events like this? We'd have a larger turnout...
[15:18] <itsafork> ummm.... hello?!?
[15:18] <Derath-Srvr> sup
[15:19] <itsafork> hey dude! it was really good meeting you yesterday!
[15:19] <Derath-Srvr> Definitely, good to put faces with nicks :)
[15:21] <itsafork> agreed
[15:21] <Derath-Srvr> looking at weechat... think I may have to try it out... annoyed that irssi doesn't have nicklist...
[15:22] <_bbb> http://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/nicklist.pl
[15:22] <Derath-Srvr> and btw, I'm sitting in Columbus again, or more specifically, Dublin...
[15:23] <Derath-Srvr> Yeah saw that, and the warning with it... lol
[15:23] <Derath-Srvr> Doesn't play well on all terminals
[15:24] <Derath-Srvr> maybe I should still try it...
[15:24] <_bbb> work *ok* with screen here
[15:27] <Derath-Srvr> Okay, that is a lot better...
[15:28] <Derath-Srvr> Might have to adjust the size... esp since I can only see BiosElem~ lol
[15:30] <Derath-Srvr> So I did see the meetup page for the "Ubuntu Stop" group, and seems like they have 72 members or something like that
[15:33] <Derath-Srvr> Disappointed that gilbert didn't make it
[15:45] <Derath-Srvr> sigh, been so long since i've used the backend of irssi, I've forgotten most of the commands...
[15:48] <canthus13> bf50fa684f7f663f0e1480296523e7d0ecf89a65
[15:50] <Derath-Srvr> ?
[15:51] <Derath-Srvr> Cursing someone?
[15:52] <Derath-Srvr> that's a pretty long hex string
[16:23] <canthus13> Derath-Srvr: It's the SHA-1 hash of blargh
[16:26] <Cheri703> canthus13: :D
[16:52] <dmcglone> Hey all
[16:52] <Cheri703> hi
[16:53] <dmcglone> I decided to relax to the max today :-)
[17:01]  * jgould pulls his hair out
[17:01] <dmcglone> make sure you wax our scalp ;-)
[17:02] <jgould> Our scalp?  XD
[17:02] <dmcglone> jgould: are you still having problems?
[17:02] <jgould> Yes
[17:02] <dmcglone> with samba?
[17:06] <jgould> Nope.  The Ubunut install on the MacBook
[17:06] <dmcglone> Ah how's it breaking on you?
[17:09] <jgould> [drm:intel_dsm_pci_probe] *ERROR* failed to get supported _DSM functions.  I can't get into singleuser mode, the system stops GDM...  I'm not sure what I did
[17:09] <dmcglone> I'm not too crazy about this Unity, but I'm still going to give it a good try
[17:09] <dmcglone> Hmmm
[17:09] <jgould> Unity is growing onme
[17:10] <jgould> Everything from taht point forward in the boot sequence hangs
[17:11] <dmcglone> jgould: what does dmesg | grep drm tell you?
[17:11] <jgould> I can't get to it
[17:12] <dmcglone> user a shell
[17:12] <dmcglone> ctrl + F1
[17:12] <jgould> Can't do it on either keyboard
[17:13] <dmcglone> is it falling back to a shell?
[17:13] <jgould> I'm in the recovery mode option with GRUB.  Otherwise I'd never see what was going on
[17:14] <dmcglone> it should let you choose a shell in recovery mode
[17:14] <jgould> It's not.  Something borked something but good
[17:15] <dmcglone> when you boot into recovery mode, it doesn't give you an option to boot to a command prompt?
[17:15] <dmcglone> Hmmmm
[17:16] <jgould> Nope. processes keep hanging
[17:16] <dmcglone> which processes?
[17:17] <jgould> The exact term the system is giving me is "task alsactrl:800 blocked for more than 800 seconds"
[17:18] <jgould> rm, mv and sh are others that arent' workign
[17:18] <dmcglone> thats alsa, your sound
[17:19] <jgould> er not 800 seconds 120.  It's been sitting for about 5 mintues with no activity
[17:21] <dmcglone> jgould: are you encrypting your disks?
[17:21] <jgould> Nopr
[17:21] <jgould> er Nope
[17:21] <dmcglone> Hmmm
[17:22] <jgould> I think it has to do with what ever this _DSM thing is
[17:23] <dmcglone> are you running boinc?
[17:24] <jgould> Nope.
[17:24] <dmcglone> wow, I'm boggled
[17:24] <canthus13> jgould: boot with a live CD, mount the drive, check /var/log/dmsg
[17:24] <jgould> taht's what I'm working on now
[17:25] <canthus13> It's breaking on video.
[17:26] <jgould> how can you tell
[17:26] <canthus13> Intel chipset... It's a bug with i915 chipsets.
[17:26] <canthus13> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=698045
[17:27] <canthus13> (I know.. redhat.. But I'm seeing it with other distros too...)
[17:28] <jgould> Why the sudden breakage though
[17:28] <jgould> "Only root can do that" :P
[17:29] <dmcglone> jgould: sudden breakage is an everyday occurrence :-p
[17:31] <jgould> There is nothing that really says waht happened in dmesg
[17:33] <dmcglone> try dmesg|grep tail
[17:33]  * jgould blinks
[17:33] <canthus13> jgould: Just talked to a friend of mine... Unity's launcher works with Orca... but nothing else. GNOME still works perfectly, though.
[17:34] <jgould> Ok.  I can see that with unity.
[17:37] <jgould> So, an opnion.  should I reinstall or try to figure out how to fix it?
[17:38] <dmcglone> If you want to sit there for could be days, weeks or months. it's up to you :-/
[17:38] <Derath-Srvr> lol @ canthus13
[17:41] <itsafork> so.... it's nearly lunch time...
[17:41] <jgould> bring me something
[17:42]  * dmcglone already ate corn dogs
[17:42] <itsafork> ok, hang out your window & i'll through it to you...
[17:42] <itsafork> catch!!!!
[17:42]  * Derath-Srvr had philly cheesesteaak sandwiches
[17:42] <jgould> Heh
[17:42] <dmcglone> Mmmmm that sounds good Derath-Srvr
[17:42] <Derath-Srvr> Not bad for being a frozen sandwich to nuke...
[17:43] <dmcglone> wish I had some.
[17:43] <dmcglone> Now I'm Hungary again!!
[17:43] <Derath-Srvr> hehe
[17:45] <jgould> I think that this is part of why the average user still uses Windows/MacOS: It takes so much work on most of the hardware to get the system to work that they just give up if they even try...
[17:46]  * dmcglone eating chicken salad sandwich
[17:46] <Derath-Srvr> Depends on the systems, I've had quite a few that worked right out of the box minus the nvidia restricted driver...
[17:47]  * dmcglone netbook worked right out of the box
[17:47] <canthus13> jgould: Funny. Every machine I've installed on in the last 2 years has worked perfectly aside from some minor wirelss problems.
[17:48] <canthus13> (minor meaning installing the restricted drivers to get wireless working)
[17:48] <Derath-Srvr> broadcom wireless?
[17:48] <canthus13> Yep.
[17:48] <canthus13> And any newer broadcom works fine with the STA drivers.
[17:48] <jgould> I've had far more that have been the opposite.
[17:48] <Derath-Srvr> Only 1 system on my end with that issue... at least for wifi
[17:48] <dmcglone> canthus13: I was damn surprised last night when I installed Unity, my wireless broadcom worked right out of the box
[17:48] <jgould> My Mac Mini is 100% supported
[17:48] <jgould> this MBP, Not so much.
[17:48] <Derath-Srvr> and it was still really easy with the "Ubuntu Restricted Drivers" tool
[17:48] <jgould> That tool doesn't see my card yet
[17:48] <jgould> it's a 4331
[17:49] <Derath-Srvr> Mind if I play Devil's Advocate for a bit?
[17:49] <jgould> Go for it
[17:50] <canthus13> 4331 isn't supported by the STA drivers...
[17:50] <Derath-Srvr> Did you have a choice in the hardware? or able to see the system specs before buying it?
[17:50] <jgould> Not really.
[17:50] <dmcglone> I got the 4313: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[17:50] <canthus13> jgould: Oh... my friend said he'd be happy to answer any questions about Orca and Linux accessability.
[17:51] <Derath-Srvr> Is there a similar competing product that would not have the broadcom in it?
[17:51] <Derath-Srvr> (i.e. an Intel based system or something)
[17:51] <jgould> I wasn't really planning on dabbling in linux when I bought it. I'm not sure
[17:51] <canthus13> Atheros is very well supported...
[17:51] <canthus13> but I think apple uses broadcom exclusively.
[17:51] <jgould> Atheros is. Nope
[17:51] <jgould> My Mac Mini 2,1 has an Atheros in it
[17:51] <Derath-Srvr> So it's a mac?
[17:52] <Derath-Srvr> Or I should ask, what kind of system is it/\
[17:52] <Derath-Srvr> ?
[17:52] <dmcglone> jgould: having a Mac attack ;-)
[17:52] <jgould> The one having the issues is the MacBook Pro, the Mini works at 100% (I haven't tested bluetooth, and the wireless card in it is shot)
[17:53] <Derath-Srvr> Oh, okay, so it's a macbook... hmmm....
[17:53] <Derath-Srvr> iirc the mini did have the 4311 card...
[17:53] <jgould> Mine's old enough to be Aethros
[17:54] <canthus13> Hmm.. the 4311 works fine with STA
[17:55] <Derath-Srvr> Ah...
[17:55]  * Derath-Srvr is wondering on the MacBook...
[17:55] <Derath-Srvr> I thought someone had made a driver for that, might be mistaken... could always use ndiswrapper though...
[17:55] <Derath-Srvr> if you can find a windows inf for that card...
[17:56] <jgould> I have the 64 bit drivers for the card for Win 7. I have a love hate relationship with ndiswrapper though
[17:56] <jgould> I had it working for a little bit
[17:56] <Derath-Srvr> Most do...
[17:56] <Derath-Srvr> (love/hate relationship that is)
[17:57] <dmcglone> well truth be told, you gotta hate it before you can love it :-o
[17:57] <jgould> isn't that the truth
[17:57] <Derath-Srvr> tbh though, before the 43xx came out, I just went and bought a netgear dongle, removed the minipci, and used the dongle...
[17:59] <jgould> I was working on the ndiswrapper solution before the whole thing went kaput
[18:00] <dmcglone> you think the driver you used with ndiswrapper was a bad one maybe?
[18:01] <jgould> it's the same driver I had working under Xubuntu.
[18:01] <dmcglone> wow
[18:01] <dmcglone> weird
[18:02] <dmcglone> Think you may have got a crapple and not an apple ;-)
[18:03] <jgould> In terms of Linux Support right this second, it does seem that way
[18:07] <dmcglone> is it possible to add/remove apps to the sidebar in unity?
[18:07] <dmcglone> found it
[18:07] <jgould> yeah,  right click them and choose keep in launcher
[18:07] <Derath-Srvr> I believe so in the menu editor
[18:07] <Derath-Srvr> nm
[18:08] <jgould> Heh
[18:12] <BiosElement> Ok this is pretty cool
[18:12] <BiosElement> Unity on KDE: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Uh-2uaVz_Uk/Tb6iVKZ61SI/AAAAAAAAAEI/YXvbNcePsbY/s1600/unitykdetheme.png
[18:12] <BiosElement> ^And no, it's not actually unity. That's all plasma.
[18:13] <Derath-Srvr> Wait, did I just hear you correctly???
[18:13] <Derath-Srvr> You just said Unity and Cool in the same sentence???
[18:13] <BiosElement> Derath-Srvr: It took him about 10 minutes to workup Unity with KDE :P
[18:14] <BiosElement> It took them what, 6 months to dev Unity? I know which is a faster dev process >.>
[18:15] <jrgifford> nope. was more like a year. unity first showed up in ubuntu netbook remix in 10.10.
[18:15] <Derath-Srvr> Yeah, but he's not the one that I have heard talk about unity... I'm talking about you referring to it as "cool" lol
[18:16] <BiosElement> Hah, only if it's on KDE in plasma :P
[18:17] <BiosElement> Poor sony. They just took down their MMORPG arm due to a security breach.
[18:17] <jgould> O.o we have a network called grapejuice around here...
[18:30] <jgould> Gee... Ubuntu is like windows...  Have to restart after updateds
[18:34] <jgould> Ok.  Flash plays like shit on the Mac Mini
[18:34] <Derath-Srvr> that's not unusual... flash plays like crap on everything
[18:34] <jgould> Heh
[18:35] <jgould> After doing updates, I'm back to the same problem with Natty on the MacBook...
[18:36] <jgould> It's fine until I run the updates.  There may be something there.
[18:44] <jgould> Back to VMs on the MacBook
[18:44] <Derath-Srvr> What was the problem? the wifi?
[18:45] <jgould> This bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=698045
[20:36]  * jgould sighs
[20:37] <Derath-Srvr> ?
[20:58] <canthus13> jgould: try a hammer.
[21:00] <jgould> This one isn't computer related
[21:04] <Derath-Srvr> Sup tns!
[21:04] <Derath-Srvr> Missed you yesterday
[21:04] <tnseditor> school... and lots of it
[21:04] <tnseditor> I had piles of homework
[21:04] <tnseditor> I wish I could have made it
[21:04] <tnseditor> how did it go?
[21:04] <Derath-Srvr> Man, don't teachers know that people have lives outside of school! lol
[21:04] <tnseditor> nope :P
[21:05] <Derath-Srvr> lol Yeah, neither do I, I assign a ton of reading lol
[21:05] <tnseditor> I worked on stuff for 6 hours :P
[21:05] <tnseditor> hahaha
[21:05] <tnseditor> I'm sure I will when I become one :P
[21:05] <Derath-Srvr> Went well yesterday, got to put some faces to names, and learned a couple things about Unity
[21:06] <tnseditor> In other news, I got 2 gerbils the other week to replace my goldfish in the basement.  I still have fish upstairs though
[21:06] <Derath-Srvr> And how unprepared I have been for meet-ups like that... lol
[21:06] <tnseditor> haha
[21:06] <tnseditor> sounds great!
[21:06] <Derath-Srvr> Cool
[21:06] <tnseditor> I've been "united" (unity... hahaha) on my laptop for a while.  Now I'm trying it on my desktop
[21:06] <tnseditor> takes a little getting used to, but not too bad
[21:07] <Derath-Srvr> Let's see... Met dmc, Bios, Freak, notfed, fork, Android, and a few others...
[21:07] <tnseditor> good :)  Anyone get pics?
[21:08] <Derath-Srvr> Ya know, I think that's the one thing we didn't do... and fork didn't receive the cds yet...
[21:08] <tnseditor> oh
[21:08] <Derath-Srvr> I think I am going to have to contact Jorge about a couple things...
[21:09] <Derath-Srvr> Assuming that he remembers me, and that I cna even get a hold of him...
[21:09] <tnseditor> oh
[21:11] <Derath-Srvr> And almost time to contact s76 again to see about demos in Sept... need to make myself a reservation at the hotel also... hmm... my todo list is getting longer and longer it seems...
[21:11] <Unit193> Hello tnseditor
[21:11] <tnseditor> hi Unit193
[21:13] <jgould> the todo lists seem to do that, Derath-Srvr
[21:14] <Derath-Srvr> Does seem like they do
[21:20] <jgould> Never get any shorter either...
[21:26] <Derath-Srvr> What's the council's email address?
[21:27] <Derath-Srvr> Hello?
[21:27] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: Hello
[21:28] <Unit193> It should be on the Wiki page (LP address)
[21:28] <Derath-Srvr> thx\
[21:29] <Derath-Srvr> Okay, now I can go and cower in fear... email has been sent...
[21:30] <Unit193> What did you yell at them for? (They have agents on IRC too! Watch out!)
[21:30] <Derath-Srvr> Didn't yell...
[21:30] <Derath-Srvr> More asking for more info, policy changes, and "special considerations"
[21:30] <Derath-Srvr> From jorge
[21:31] <Derath-Srvr> council has a copy of what I sent...
[21:31] <Derath-Srvr> So waiting on either jorge or them to yell or complain that I wrote it lol
[21:51] <Derath-Srvr> Hmm... responded, but I don't think he read the whole thing...
[21:53] <Unit193> Why would he?
[21:53] <Unit193> (I have no idea what one of the 3 you're talking about)
[21:54] <Derath-Srvr> Jorge responded...
[22:00] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: ouch, got the mail :)
[22:00] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: you know you could have just asked me :)
[22:00] <Derath-Srvr> Bah...
[22:00] <Derath-Srvr> tbh, easier getting a hold of jorge than you... lol
[22:00] <Derath-Srvr> kidding
[22:01] <paultag> :P
[22:01] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: are you getting OLF in order again this year?
[22:01] <Derath-Srvr> either way, if we're limited to one box per release, then I'd hate to have other relocos miss out because another got all that's alloted for ohio
[22:01] <Derath-Srvr> As far as the booth registration and demos go...
[22:02] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: is -us-ny or -us-mi attending?
[22:02] <Derath-Srvr> If someone collects up the money and sends to me again, I'll be more than happy to send the check in once they are asking for them
[22:02] <Derath-Srvr> unknown... haven't heard...
[22:02] <Derath-Srvr> Did find out there's a second Ubuntu Group in the Columbus area... and had a release party the day before ours in the same spot...
[22:03] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: let's get -us-ny's contact and -us-mi (if they're coming) to request allocations, and send to your location
[22:03] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: yes, I did
[22:03] <Derath-Srvr> And my email wasn't all that bad... lol
[22:03] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: they formed on our loco list
[22:03] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: yeah yeah :)
[22:03] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: I think we can get around that restriction by being clever
[22:04] <Derath-Srvr> bah... I'm sure -us-ca gets a lot more than one box for all the things that happen over there (scale, lxexpo, etc)...
[22:04] <Derath-Srvr> Ohio should be given same rights
[22:05] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: yeah I know, but jono is higher up in canonical, and no one would second guess. One moment, I'm trying to figure out if it's legit or not
[22:05] <Derath-Srvr> Work's done for the day... might reattach later tonight...
[22:05]  * Derath-Srvr waves
[22:05] <paultag> cheers Derath-Srvr
[22:57] <dmcglone> cheers to /me
[22:57] <dmcglone> :-)
[22:58] <BiosElement> Derath-Srvr: Wait, ONE box per release?
[22:59] <dmcglone> I installed Gnome 3 on my desktop, it's pretty cool
[23:03]  * dmcglone is watching women mud fight
[23:05] <BiosElement> Wow
[23:05] <BiosElement> 350 CD's a release
[23:05] <BiosElement> Welp, that's a joke
[23:06] <dmcglone> BiosElement what do you mean?
[23:06] <BiosElement> dmcglone: Each loco can only get 350 cd's a release. That's something of a total joke.
[23:07] <dmcglone> somewhat, it looked like Derath-Srvr was stuck with quite a few 10.10's the other day :-/
[23:07] <BiosElement> So people can't order them for free from shipit, and they're told to go to locos. Each loco can only get 350 cd's free, so basically they're going to shift the cost to us. >.>
[23:07]  * Cheri703 would rather have a handful of 10.10's vs the 11.04's
[23:07] <BiosElement> dmcglone: That was before they limited cd's though
[23:08] <dmcglone> I see
[23:08] <BiosElement> To me, it seems silly to make this change just as ubuntu starts to get some really serious traction..
[23:09] <dmcglone> well If I had to I'd work within the 350 and tell canocial to screw themselves
[23:09] <BiosElement> dmcglone: That's what we'll probably do. But for larger events we won't have cd's.
[23:10] <dmcglone> well someone will have to go without and it's only canocial's fault
[23:11] <BiosElement> Eh, I think they're trying to shift the cost to locos. I can see why they closed shipit, that was probably quite expensive. But it's silly to them hamstring locos.
[23:12] <dmcglone> if we stay within the 350 It will not cost us anything
[23:12] <paultag> BiosElement: sorry?
[23:13] <BiosElement> dmcglone: True, we'll just have to keep some back for events.
[23:13] <paultag> BiosElement: you can request more, you just have to make the case to Canonical
[23:13] <paultag> BiosElement: or have -us-ny or -us-mi send more
[23:13] <BiosElement> paultag: Oh? Not what their wiki pages say.
[23:13] <paultag> BiosElement: there's no strict limit
[23:13] <BiosElement> paultag: "Each team can have a maximum of one box of CDs."
[23:13] <paultag> BiosElement: oh and shippit is only shut down for people
[23:13] <BiosElement> Per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingCds
[23:13] <paultag> BiosElement: I know, I think I helped write that page
[23:13] <paultag> BiosElement: I'm on the LoCo Council
[23:13] <paultag> BiosElement: I know the deal
[23:14] <BiosElement> paultag: Well that's good to hear then.
[23:14] <BiosElement> paultag: I didn't think they'd gone crazy >.>
[23:14] <dmcglone> paultag: why do you get all the cool jobs? ;-)
[23:14] <paultag> dmcglone: because I work hard :)
[23:15] <paultag> dmcglone: ubuntu-lococouncil is really not that exiting
[23:15] <paultag> it's mostly paperwork and dealing with issues
[23:15] <paultag> and interfacing to canonical
[23:15] <dmcglone> paultag: I work hard too. I think it's just because your cool... LOL
[23:15] <paultag> :P
[23:16] <paultag> BiosElement: RE OLF: Just have -us-ny send some over
[23:16] <paultag> BiosElement: or mi
[23:16] <paultag> then we don't have to deal with fighting a fight we don't want to fight right now
[23:16] <BiosElement> paultag: Aight.
[23:16] <paultag> if we want to officially get more for OLF, we can do that
[23:16] <paultag> but it's more paperwork then it's worth right now
[23:17] <paultag> esp when ny and mi are heading over too
[23:17] <BiosElement> paultag: I know last time it was so short notice we hardly had any, but lots of people wanted them.
[23:17] <dmcglone> when is the next OLF?
[23:17] <paultag> BiosElement: yeah, we can bring our 6-month as well as our conf-pack
[23:17] <paultag> BiosElement: which is what we had last time
[23:17] <paultag> then more from ny or mi if we need it
[23:17] <paultag> if they're willing
[23:18] <BiosElement> dmcglone: September 9-11
[23:18] <BiosElement> paultag: Sounds good.
[23:18] <dmcglone> whoo hoo I'll definately be at this one
[23:19] <paultag> BiosElement: rock on.
[23:19] <dmcglone> was there a big turnout last year?
[23:19] <BiosElement> paultag: You're sounding like Jono now :P
[23:20] <BiosElement> dmcglone: Yep. I know the OLF Ubuntu table had tons, and Ubucon was a success as well thanks to Amber.
[23:20] <paultag> BiosElement: Oh, Ohio can request two for that methinks
[23:20] <paultag> BiosElement: as long as ubucon is filed seperetly then OLF
[23:20] <paultag> hint hint
[23:20] <BiosElement> paultag: I'll talk to Jon and see what he has planned, not sure who was going to handle that hah.
[23:20] <paultag> OK
[23:21] <BiosElement> paultag: This time Ubucon is 100% on the loco though so it should be interesting.
[23:22] <paultag> someone should invite ubuntu ohio-lite as well
[23:22] <paultag> just PS
[23:22] <paultag> and we should poach their "leader" into ubuohio
[23:22] <BiosElement> Hah
[23:23] <dmcglone> just hold him up at gunpoint
[23:23] <dmcglone> it's easier
[23:25]  * BiosElement gets some rope and a shotgun
[23:26] <dmcglone> haha
[23:26] <dmcglone> our group will turn into the Ubuntu-oh-mafia
[23:27] <BiosElement> I thought we were already the "Too technical" mafia. >.>
[23:27] <dmcglone> I wouldn't know, only been here a little over a year now
[23:29] <dmcglone> I'm slowly finding my place within :-)
[23:30] <dmcglone> I'm the baby boomer I quess