| cyberanger | they all seem to have artwork now | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| cyberanger | It takes alot not to start mixing them up | 00:00 |
| cyberanger | sounds like denver | 00:00 |
| chibihogoshino | http://www.alopecianmuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/murals03.jpg | 00:01 |
| chibihogoshino | that one | 00:01 |
| cyberanger | I'll have to pull that one up in a moment | 00:02 |
| cyberanger | booting two cli only live discs, getting every thing onto natty | 00:03 |
| cyberanger | and rsyncing backups | 00:03 |
| chibihogoshino | ahh | 00:05 |
| cyberanger | your sure that mural is in denver? | 00:06 |
| cyberanger | I don't recall that one | 00:07 |
| cyberanger | however denver was awhile ago, a blow thru | 00:07 |
| chibihogoshino | yeah | 00:07 |
| chibihogoshino | that airport i dont think is being used | 00:08 |
| cyberanger | you think it's stapleton international then? | 00:11 |
| cyberanger | which was used in Die Hard 2 | 00:11 |
| cyberanger | and is no more | 00:11 |
| cyberanger | Denver international replaced it, and is what I flew through | 00:12 |
| chibihogoshino | its still around | 00:12 |
| cyberanger | then it's neither | 00:12 |
| cyberanger | stapleton is torn down for a new development | 00:13 |
| cyberanger | and DEN is still around | 00:13 |
| cyberanger | idk it's been a long time, pre 9/11 | 00:13 |
| cyberanger | but I know I went via DEN | 00:14 |
| chibihogoshino | http://extraordinaryintelligence.com/970/the-unexplained/mysterious-murals-and-monuments-at-the-denver-airport/ | 00:15 |
| cyberanger | DEN has a ton of art though | 00:15 |
| cyberanger | I bet I just didn't see that one | 00:15 |
| cyberanger | so cyberpunk looking, I'd recall that | 00:15 |
| cyberanger | and it was a blow thru | 00:15 |
| cyberanger | 15 minutes between wheels down and wheels up | 00:15 |
| chibihogoshino | damn | 00:16 |
| cyberanger | yeah, quickest and cleanest I can recall | 00:17 |
| cyberanger | O'Hare too that trip come to think of it | 00:17 |
| cyberanger | which is really odd | 00:17 |
| chibihogoshino | i guess its called the denver international air port | 00:19 |
| cyberanger | that was my best trip and my worst trip through both airports (DEN only happened once, so kinda unfair, O'Hare however, that hurt) | 00:20 |
| cyberanger | yep, FAA code DEN, Denver International Airport | 00:21 |
| cyberanger | nicknamed DIA | 00:21 |
| chibihogoshino | ahh | 00:21 |
| cyberanger | stapleton was the old one closed in '95 | 00:22 |
| cyberanger | never saw it | 00:22 |
| cyberanger | but would have liked to, due to my die hard fandom | 00:22 |
| cyberanger | seeing all that though, kinda a shame it was so quick | 00:25 |
| cyberanger | gate to gate in under 5 minutes | 00:25 |
| vychune | see ya guys | 00:27 |
| cyberanger | bye vychune | 00:27 |
| chibihogoshino | brb | 00:30 |
| cyberanger | k | 00:30 |
| chibihogoshino | damn.. | 00:36 |
| chibihogoshino | i wish there was info on how to theme plymouth | 00:36 |
| cyberanger | step one, try | 00:37 |
| cyberanger | step two, fail | 00:37 |
| cyberanger | step three bang head into keyboard | 00:37 |
| cyberanger | step four try again | 00:37 |
| chibihogoshino | yeah i have been failing for the last 3 hours | 00:37 |
| cyberanger | step five, give up | 00:37 |
| chibihogoshino | i cant | 00:38 |
| chibihogoshino | its like half done .. | 00:38 |
| cyberanger | which half | 00:40 |
| chibihogoshino | i have the logo pulsing or fading.. what ever you want to call it.. i just cant figure out how to change the fading background color from the purple to black | 00:41 |
| chibihogoshino | its a logo with a black background and it fades to purple.. | 00:42 |
| chibihogoshino | im i the only person still using xdm ? | 01:29 |
| cyberanger | chibihogoshino: perhaps | 02:11 |
| chibihogoshino | lol | 02:11 |
| cyberanger | gdm is more common here | 02:11 |
| chibihogoshino | i like the old gdm | 02:12 |
| cyberanger | but I either use slim or nothing lately | 02:12 |
| chibihogoshino | i did try slim | 02:13 |
| cyberanger | didn't like it? | 02:13 |
| chibihogoshino | i could get it to fit my theme | 02:13 |
| cyberanger | dead simple to theme | 02:14 |
| cyberanger | seconds to fit my openbox theme | 02:14 |
| chibihogoshino | yeah .. i didn mess with it that much since xdm is alredy setup | 02:14 |
| chibihogoshino | but i think plymouth is fucking with it .. | 02:14 |
| chibihogoshino | i put my user name in and it kicks out of the xdm session before i can put my password in and then starts back up.. | 02:16 |
| cyberanger | ouch | 02:17 |
| chibihogoshino | i dont even know why that would happen | 02:17 |
| cyberanger | and that does sound likely | 02:17 |
| chibihogoshino | also when i hit ctl alt f1 x still runs and logs in when i put my name and password in the vt .. it dosnt let go of they keybord | 02:18 |
| cyberanger | woah, that's really bad | 02:19 |
| chibihogoshino | yeah | 02:19 |
| cyberanger | what about f2? | 02:19 |
| chibihogoshino | hmm.. i dunno. didnt think about trying it .. | 02:20 |
| cyberanger | it might just be one tty | 02:20 |
| cyberanger | so idk | 02:20 |
| cyberanger | the last thing called plymouth I liked was a tavern in Erie | 02:20 |
| chibihogoshino | i think it has something to do with plymouths login thing that never showed up on this install | 02:20 |
| chibihogoshino | maybe if i disable f1 it will work | 02:21 |
| cyberanger | unlikely | 02:21 |
| cyberanger | since really it shouldn't be tied to that | 02:21 |
| chibihogoshino | is plymouth supposed to have a l/p ? | 02:22 |
| cyberanger | sorry, an l/p? | 02:22 |
| chibihogoshino | login / password | 02:23 |
| cyberanger | no, it's integrated with gdm | 02:25 |
| cyberanger | perhaps not as well with slim, xdm | 02:25 |
| chibihogoshino | oh | 02:25 |
| cyberanger | based on what I read, that could be it | 02:25 |
| chibihogoshino | odd it has a section for it tho | 02:26 |
| cyberanger | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CC8QFjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fbugs%2F723698&rct=j&q=plymouth%20xdm&ei=FAi-TYbdBsK5tgfC3c25BQ&usg=AFQjCNFYlYx_DHob8E3YWMI7QNnv76VHIQ&cad=rja | 02:26 |
| cyberanger | rotten link | 02:26 |
| chibihogoshino | i thought it just loaded a image and then passes the graphics to X | 02:26 |
| cyberanger | it fires before xorg | 02:26 |
| chibihogoshino | yeah | 02:27 |
| cyberanger | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdm/+bug/723698 | 02:27 |
| cyberanger | does that sound similar to your case | 02:27 |
| cyberanger | ? | 02:27 |
| cyberanger | I mean parts of the issue | 02:27 |
| cyberanger | the plymouthd and xdm conflict | 02:28 |
| chibihogoshino | hmm.. | 02:29 |
| cyberanger | chibihogoshino: are you lucid or newer? | 02:29 |
| chibihogoshino | lucid | 02:29 |
| cyberanger | there's your issue | 02:29 |
| cyberanger | xdm isn't an upstart job | 02:30 |
| chibihogoshino | it donst use 30% cpu tho | 02:30 |
| cyberanger | and therefor isn't signalling plymouthd | 02:30 |
| cyberanger | and due to that, plymouth is running over xdm | 02:30 |
| chibihogoshino | and i dont really have a problem logging in unless its the first time at boot | 02:30 |
| cyberanger | the 30% bit was due to plymouth still running, stalled, that isn't the bug itself | 02:31 |
| chibihogoshino | so i should have a kill plymouth in the xdm script ? | 02:31 |
| cyberanger | but your login issue? explain that a bit more | 02:31 |
| cyberanger | no, it's more of a pulse, a signal to plymouth, saying the computer equilavant of | 02:32 |
| cyberanger | hey buddy, quit talking and grab me a beer | 02:32 |
| cyberanger | and without that signal, plymouth won't shut up | 02:32 |
| chibihogoshino | the system loads up plymouth runs through and then xdm starts up .. i type my username and then xdm restarts . then i just retype my user name and pass and its all good | 02:33 |
| cyberanger | are you planning on upgrading to maverick or natty? | 02:33 |
| chibihogoshino | no | 02:33 |
| cyberanger | what about gdm instead of xdm> | 02:34 |
| chibihogoshino | i dont like it | 02:34 |
| cyberanger | I hear ya, just it's your version of xdm | 02:34 |
| cyberanger | if it was using upstart, it'd be solved | 02:35 |
| chibihogoshino | hmm | 02:35 |
| cyberanger | not sure how to fix it otherwise | 02:35 |
| chibihogoshino | i wonder how smooth a update would go | 02:35 |
| cyberanger | it's fine in maverick, and it's fine in gdm | 02:35 |
| cyberanger | backup first | 02:35 |
| chibihogoshino | yeah .. | 02:36 |
| cyberanger | otherwise .... | 02:36 |
| chibihogoshino | ill have to see if i can find some dvds or something | 02:36 |
| cyberanger | The World is Coming to an End | 02:36 |
| cyberanger | Please Log Off | 02:36 |
| chibihogoshino | mm. | 02:37 |
| chibihogoshino | i only have a cd burner in here | 02:37 |
| chibihogoshino | and its broken | 02:37 |
| cyberanger | you only need a cd though | 02:37 |
| cyberanger | oh, uh, yeah | 02:37 |
| chibihogoshino | oh well.. | 02:38 |
| cyberanger | I've tried to remove plymouth more than anything | 02:41 |
| cyberanger | perhaps after some tinkering I can be of more help, but with what I read, plymouth, xdm and lucid doesn't mix | 02:42 |
| chibihogoshino | yeah .. | 02:42 |
| chibihogoshino | its not that big of a problem as what i have been reading .. its just feels a bit buggy | 02:42 |
| cyberanger | becuase it is | 02:43 |
| chibihogoshino | its odd when i hit alt f2 it sometimes kicks me to a vt and i cant get back to Xs display | 02:43 |
| cyberanger | lucid was trial by fire, to some extent | 02:44 |
| chibihogoshino | its still running tho .. | 02:44 |
| cyberanger | chibihogoshino: f7 should | 02:44 |
| chibihogoshino | yeah.. it should | 02:44 |
| cyberanger | f1 - f6 is tty's f7 is a system buffer & xorg runs on it | 02:44 |
| cyberanger | usually | 02:44 |
| chibihogoshino | i can get back to X that way but its all black | 02:44 |
| chibihogoshino | cant see any windows | 02:45 |
| cyberanger | hrm | 02:45 |
| cyberanger | before or after login? | 02:45 |
| chibihogoshino | the mouse cursor changes tho if i run it over window edges | 02:45 |
| cyberanger | try f8 then, f7 might be dead | 02:45 |
| chibihogoshino | after log in | 02:45 |
| cyberanger | oh, wow | 02:45 |
| chibihogoshino | same thing | 02:45 |
| chibihogoshino | f7 seams to be the input .. a bunch of random characters from the keyboard and mouse | 02:46 |
| chibihogoshino | but only when i cant get back to X | 02:46 |
| chibihogoshino | right now f7 is normal x | 02:46 |
| chibihogoshino | haha | 02:48 |
| chibihogoshino | hit alt f1 and then alt f7 and i got kicked out of X | 02:48 |
| cyberanger | ouch | 02:48 |
| chibihogoshino | gotta love bugs | 02:52 |
| vychune | heeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy | 03:06 |
| chibihogoshino | hi vychune | 03:06 |
| vychune | whatcha up to | 03:06 |
| chibihogoshino | not liking how ubu is doing stuff | 03:07 |
| cyberanger | chibihogoshino: I take it you don't use irssi or weechat | 03:10 |
| cyberanger | x don't matter (tm pending ;-)) | 03:11 |
| chibihogoshino | no | 03:12 |
| chibihogoshino | i like my gui | 03:13 |
| chibihogoshino | but its my gui.. how i want it .. | 03:14 |
| chibihogoshino | for the most part | 03:14 |
| cyberanger | that's why I theme mine | 03:14 |
| chibihogoshino | i did | 03:14 |
| cyberanger | but I'm in the terminal for a ton of tasks | 03:14 |
| chibihogoshino | i just dont like being forced to use plymouth | 03:14 |
| cyberanger | yeah | 03:15 |
| chibihogoshino | i tried turning off the gui boot but that didnt work | 03:15 |
| cyberanger | your not, but it's a real huge pain | 03:15 |
| cyberanger | or it's debian | 03:15 |
| chibihogoshino | its like they forgot that simple is best | 03:16 |
| cyberanger | ubuntu or debian? | 03:16 |
| chibihogoshino | ubuntu | 03:16 |
| cyberanger | ubuntu was never really about simplicity in that sense | 03:17 |
| cyberanger | they were a dumbing down simplicity | 03:17 |
| cyberanger | vs debian or slackware or arch KISS simplicity | 03:17 |
| cyberanger | or the middle ground of some others | 03:17 |
| wrst | yeah cyberanger debian, slcakware, arch are simple, ubuntu is easy to use huge diference | 03:18 |
| cyberanger | and honestly, they've strayed from that too, linux mint and crunchbang taking over to an extent | 03:18 |
| chibihogoshino | till recently i saw ubuntu as a deb remix | 03:18 |
| cyberanger | wrst: yeah, difference in views, KISS vs complex development, but ease of use | 03:19 |
| cyberanger | and chibihogoshino that's exactly it, a ease of use, debian remix | 03:19 |
| cyberanger | till lately | 03:19 |
| wrst | yes from a users standpoint debian, arch etc aren't simple | 03:19 |
| cyberanger | from a 'new' user standpoint | 03:19 |
| cyberanger | I think once you've used linux for say 6 months, really use it | 03:20 |
| chibihogoshino | last time i tried debian and fedora it would boot on my system | 03:20 |
| cyberanger | you've gotten to a point of choice | 03:20 |
| cyberanger | chibihogoshino: that's good, they're supposed to boot | 03:21 |
| chibihogoshino | oh | 03:21 |
| chibihogoshino | lol | 03:21 |
| chibihogoshino | wouldnt boot | 03:21 |
| cyberanger | really, it was a live image? or installer? downloaded clean and burned slow? | 03:23 |
| wrst | cyberanger: my thing with debian if you use stable, its just stale not just stable, and if you use arch which i like you will have isues, really ubuntu is a nice middle ground in not stupid on new packages but being up to date | 03:24 |
| chibihogoshino | i think it was the debian live cd and fedora installer | 03:25 |
| wrst | chibihogoshino: i have always had issues with fedora just being a pain | 03:25 |
| cyberanger | wrst: debian testing is a nice middle ground, not much stability lost, kinda a misnomer to call it testing really | 03:26 |
| cyberanger | and there is a point where they're stale too | 03:26 |
| cyberanger | in ubuntu | 03:26 |
| wrst | cyberanger: might try that out on my server sometime | 03:26 |
| wrst | i'm upgrading it right now to 10.10 so if i disappear you will know why :) | 03:26 |
| cyberanger | firefox 4 wasn't in a stable ubuntu for how many months | 03:26 |
| cyberanger | and I recall the same for oo.o awhile ago | 03:26 |
| cyberanger | oh boy | 03:27 |
| chibihogoshino | wrst: good luck | 03:27 |
| vychune | libre now cyber | 03:27 |
| cyberanger | wrst: sudo do-release-upgrade ? | 03:27 |
| wrst | cyberanger: yes there needs to be a way to get packages like that going say in 10.04 | 03:27 |
| wrst | yes cyberanger i usually stay a release behind on my server and it works well and keeps quassel, finch etc fairly up to date | 03:27 |
| wrst | if this were a "production" server of course i would stay with 10.04 | 03:28 |
| chibihogoshino | would anything even change if i updated tho ? | 03:28 |
| cyberanger | vychune: not really, oo.o exists still too, but at the time it didn't exist (wrst probally recalls my complaints for using an outdated inferior version for a few months due to that) | 03:28 |
| wrst | yes cyberanger and agree | 03:28 |
| cyberanger | vychune: however I prefer the libre fork, oo.o still exists, and they both share alot with each other | 03:29 |
| cyberanger | chibihogoshino: change, yes, break, perhaps (you do backup your data, right?) | 03:30 |
| cyberanger | it's worth a vm to look at least | 03:30 |
| wrst | cyberanger: i prefer libre also its really what ubuntu had installed anyway because ubuntu more or less had the go-oo installed and that is pretty much what libre started with | 03:30 |
| chibihogoshino | no | 03:30 |
| cyberanger | wrst: a version behind is a version behind stable though, since lucid is stable now, right? | 03:31 |
| cyberanger | chibihogoshino: no? no backups? | 03:31 |
| chibihogoshino | nope | 03:31 |
| chibihogoshino | heh | 03:31 |
| chibihogoshino | i dont have anyway to | 03:31 |
| wrst | well its the LTS i think technically 11.04 is now stable but on the download it says for production you might want to consider 10.04... i wish ubuntu would just call the LTS stable | 03:32 |
| cyberanger | that's never good | 03:32 |
| cyberanger | wrst: both are stable, one is just older | 03:32 |
| cyberanger | both are supported | 03:32 |
| cyberanger | they err on the side of caution | 03:32 |
| cyberanger | but idk, they seems odd in that, two faced of sorts | 03:33 |
| wrst | yeah | 03:33 |
| wrst | no way 11.04 is as stable as 10.04 | 03:33 |
| cyberanger | well, they favor the latest lts for new users | 03:34 |
| wrst | the download page should i think then focus on the LTS | 03:35 |
| cyberanger | due to their use of the other releases, this case maverick and natty as an additional testing layer | 03:35 |
| wrst | of course i think unity wasn't ready for release and they should have used gnomeshell | 03:35 |
| cyberanger | well, they don't do that for desktops based on download numbers and other statistics | 03:35 |
| cyberanger | which has allways suggested people grab the very latest | 03:36 |
| * wrst watches the packages update and hopes he doesn't regret it | 03:36 | |
| cyberanger | wrst: sudo do-release-upgrade ? is that what your doing from lucid to maverick? | 03:37 |
| wrst | yes | 03:37 |
| cyberanger | it worked for me, I think (had a glitch, minor, but I think it was just due to it being partial, with the google and ubuntu-gis repo's disabled, re-enable and update I'd have been good) | 03:39 |
| wrst | my upgrades of server have always been super easy | 03:39 |
| cyberanger | however I had a snafu on to natty, power down in the middle | 03:39 |
| wrst | one reason awfully hard for me to use any other server os | 03:39 |
| cyberanger | server seems to work, and my builds are more like that honestly | 03:39 |
| cyberanger | debian isn't much of a difference, really | 03:40 |
| cyberanger | go with testing, for your non-critical needs, you just gotta change the sources.list when testing changes each release | 03:41 |
| cyberanger | never had an issue yet | 03:41 |
| * cyberanger knocks on a dead tree | 03:41 | |
| chibihogoshino | damn.. | 03:43 |
| chibihogoshino | i cant find my usb stick | 03:43 |
| * cyberanger suddenly wonders why that'd be good luck, knocking on a tree that took out power here | 03:43 | |
| cyberanger | chibihogoshino: ouch? | 03:43 |
| chibihogoshino | yeah | 03:43 |
| chibihogoshino | that was the only working install i had | 03:44 |
| cyberanger | and you use the word was, something tells me things took a nosedive? | 03:45 |
| chibihogoshino | it was the custom live iso i made | 03:46 |
| chibihogoshino | i still have a regular ubuntu cd.. but the cd drive in my laptop is dead | 03:46 |
| chibihogoshino | haha | 03:46 |
| cyberanger | ouch | 03:47 |
| cyberanger | I knew a friend that kept his keys near his vodka, so he'd always know where they were, but one of two things kept happening | 03:48 |
| cyberanger | one, he'd forget where he put the vodka (down his throat usually) or he'd move the keys so he wouldn't go anywhere while drunk, but with a killer hang over | 03:49 |
| cyberanger | he'd forget where he hid them while drunk | 03:50 |
| cyberanger | hopefully that isn't what you did with your usb key | 03:50 |
| chibihogoshino | na .. its in my room somewhere | 03:50 |
| * wrst waits for grub to configure.... | 03:52 | |
| cyberanger | wrst: grub 2 to configure | 03:53 |
| wrst | well its the only configuring one OS sosurely it will work! | 03:53 |
| wrst | funny thing cyberanger arch still uses grub .97 | 03:53 |
| * cyberanger waits for the punch line | 03:54 | |
| * cyberanger realizes it just drove past 5 minutes ago, drat | 03:54 | |
| cyberanger | wrst: didn't you have it grab your external once? | 03:55 |
| wrst | yes i've had it to do all sorts of crazy crap | 03:55 |
| wrst | but no external drive now | 03:55 |
| wrst | finally put it internal | 03:55 |
| cyberanger | so if there is an issue, we know it's related to 4 letters | 03:56 |
| * cyberanger wonders if anyone wants to play wheel of fortune, the only letters left are bwusrtg ;-) | 03:58 | |
| cyberanger | sorry, that joke stunk, I'll go grab the air freshener | 03:59 |
| cyberanger | wrst: well, good luck | 03:59 |
| wrst | yeah i'm wanting to reboot before bed | 04:00 |
| cyberanger | same here | 04:02 |
| cyberanger | but it won't happen for all machines | 04:02 |
| vychune | ok what i miss | 04:03 |
| vychune | had a runin with a wasp | 04:03 |
| wrst | ouch who won vychune? | 04:03 |
| vychune | draw | 04:03 |
| cyberanger | damn, natty tweaked my system, minor tweak, but one nonetheless | 04:03 |
| vychune | oh osama bin laden is dead | 04:03 |
| cyberanger | automount enabled, tweaked pcmanfm some | 04:04 |
| wrst | vychune: really? | 04:04 |
| vychune | yep | 04:04 |
| vychune | well usama on fox news LOL | 04:04 |
| cyberanger | doesn't suprise me | 04:05 |
| cyberanger | wrst: and it's not a joke | 04:05 |
| wrst | hate those alt. spellings, well hate to hear that most people have died, but that's a good one | 04:05 |
| wrst | thanks for the heads up vychune watching the news now | 04:06 |
| cyberanger | BBC, wall street journal, the gardian, globe and mail | 04:06 |
| cyberanger | fox | 04:06 |
| cyberanger | US Gov't is in possession of his body | 04:07 |
| cyberanger | qustion is when did the pulse stop? | 04:07 |
| chibihogoshino | lol | 04:07 |
| cyberanger | President Barack Obama is due to make a statement shortly :-( | 04:07 |
| wrst | cyberanger: not excited about the statement? :) | 04:08 |
| vychune | yep | 04:08 |
| cyberanger | not a joke, just a matter of how long he hasn't made a confirmed statement (osama that is) | 04:08 |
| cyberanger | many analyists thought he was dead awhile ago | 04:08 |
| cyberanger | and I saw some of the intel | 04:08 |
| cyberanger | never painted a real clear picture, but of all the intel (or lack of, for that matter) | 04:09 |
| cyberanger | it looked like he was dead and some never wanted that | 04:09 |
| cyberanger | they wanted him in a court of law, then a firing squad at least | 04:10 |
| cyberanger | so until I hear the statement, not really | 04:10 |
| cyberanger | just cause it doesn't answer much right now | 04:10 |
| cyberanger | his pulse stopped, we have his courpse, that's all I hear now | 04:11 |
| cyberanger | and it's a shame, better alive than a courpse (alive in custody I should add) | 04:11 |
| vychune | lol | 04:12 |
| cyberanger | due to how much conspirisy this'll enable | 04:12 |
| cyberanger | there was already a ton as it was | 04:12 |
| vychune | oh yeah | 04:13 |
| cyberanger | in the intel circles you had to be careful in phrasing when going against the offical views | 04:13 |
| cyberanger | and it was hard to have an offical view, the guy was smart, when it came to staying off the grid | 04:14 |
| cyberanger | dropped his sat phone in 97, thinking we could intercept and track it (he wasn't wrong) | 04:14 |
| cyberanger | first major sucessful attacks in 98 | 04:15 |
| cyberanger | after 9/11 he wasn't leaving much of a trail | 04:15 |
| cyberanger | and despite our increased efforts and presense, his trail got quieter even, the guy was a ghost as far as sigint went | 04:16 |
| cyberanger | and even knew how to make humint nearly impossible too | 04:16 |
| vychune | hey i just thought about something, now that he's gone, all the store owners from that area gonna catch hell. thats messed up | 04:17 |
| cyberanger | the fact he's dead also makes him a maryter in islamist extrimist circles, which isn't too helpful | 04:18 |
| wrst | yes cyberanger that has concerned me also | 04:18 |
| cyberanger | but compared to a cell, securing a trial and such, this should be the better of two outcomes | 04:18 |
| * wrst rebooting | 04:19 | |
| cyberanger | but with a decentralized al-qudia | 04:20 |
| vychune | what the heck:bquain: John Cena just confirmed to the ST. Pete Times Forum that Osama Bin Laden is dead. What?! Weeeeirdest way to find out. Wow! | 04:20 |
| wrst | woot its alive!!!! | 04:21 |
| cyberanger | hard to say, how much of a role he had in things lately, since that decentralization of sorts | 04:21 |
| cyberanger | we've been more focused on yemen, al-quida in the arabian penn. and somili's al-shahab | 04:22 |
| cyberanger | than pakistan and afganistan's al-quedia | 04:22 |
| * wrst goes to bed | 04:22 | |
| cyberanger | see you wrst | 04:22 |
| cyberanger | I guess I'll have to see what I can dig up | 04:24 |
| cyberanger | make some calls perhaps, hrm | 04:24 |
| chibihogoshino | so .. i have to use arch to make a custom arch install iso .. | 04:40 |
| cyberanger | cool | 04:40 |
| cyberanger | working nicely? | 04:40 |
| chibihogoshino | no | 04:41 |
| chibihogoshino | i didnt even start | 04:41 |
| chibihogoshino | i dont have arch installed | 04:41 |
| cyberanger | oh | 04:41 |
| cyberanger | conflicting reports, drone strike vs human operation, and various versions of a human operation too | 05:20 |
| cyberanger | this doesn't sound too good | 05:20 |
| cyberanger | on top of that, lack of any message from al-quedia | 05:21 |
| cyberanger | early reports can explain this now, but it's also conspiricy fodder too | 05:21 |
| wrst | good morning everyone | 12:51 |
| wrst | good morning! | 12:54 |
| === wrst_Quassel is now known as wrst | ||
| vychune | o/ | 15:58 |
| Xpistos | What up yos! | 16:02 |
| vychune | lol | 16:36 |
| === wrst_ is now known as wrst | ||
| wrst | hello cyberanger | 18:27 |
| cyberanger | hi wrst | 18:28 |
| wrst | cyberanger: having a good day? | 18:29 |
| cyberanger | so far | 18:35 |
| cyberanger | late start though | 18:36 |
| wrst | well if you are just now getting up... :) | 18:36 |
| cyberanger | getting online | 18:37 |
| cyberanger | cat $tired > /dev/null | 18:39 |
| cyberanger | much betterr | 18:39 |
| wrst | :) | 18:46 |
| cyberanger | echo $tired | 18:48 |
| cyberanger | /dev/wallet/money | 18:49 |
| cyberanger | D'Oh | 18:49 |
| cyberanger | today's lesson, careful how you define your variables | 18:49 |
| cyberanger | (and that caffine was just a waste of money today, goes too quick) | 18:50 |
| cyberanger | wrst: how's your day | 18:51 |
| wrst | pretty well cyberanger for a monday :) | 18:51 |
| * cyberanger looks at calendar | 18:52 | |
| cyberanger | that explains alot | 18:52 |
| wrst | :) | 18:56 |
| cyberanger | a few things changed in natty | 22:01 |
| cyberanger | some might be bugs | 22:01 |
| cyberanger | apt-get ignoring $http_proxy | 22:01 |
| cyberanger | for example | 22:01 |
| cyberanger | (a workaround if anyone else needs it is to set it in /etc/apt/apt.conf however for me, this is less ideal) | 22:02 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: you will be glad to know you are no longer left out: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/05/fake-mac-defender-antivirus-app-scams-users-for-money-cc-numbers.ars | 22:03 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: its about damn time... | 22:04 |
| wrst | ha ha well i'm just waiting for the linux version | 22:04 |
| wrst | seems like a waste of time pace_t_zulu unless somone is totally stupid to try that on a mac since you must eleveate user privelages to install something | 22:04 |
| cyberanger | um........ | 22:04 |
| cyberanger | whoever falls for that, I've got a bridge to sell | 22:06 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: it would not be hard at all | 22:07 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: people always want to install antivirus... makes them feel like they own a computer | 22:07 |
| wrst | no and I'm sure some will do it but if you think things through it should not happen let me put it that way | 22:07 |
| cyberanger | wrst: in windows now you elivate privs for AV software too | 22:08 |
| wrst | do you run any antivirus on your mac pace_t_zulu? | 22:08 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: did you hear about the iphone tracker file? | 22:08 |
| wrst | yes | 22:08 |
| cyberanger | I heard too, I cannot say I was suprised | 22:08 |
| pace_t_zulu | it is trivially easy to get that data off a mac (and probably a pc as well) | 22:09 |
| pace_t_zulu | the source code is publically available... | 22:09 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: i sent you a pm | 22:11 |
| pace_t_zulu | here's a link to the iphone tracker | 22:11 |
| pace_t_zulu | http://petewarden.github.com/iPhoneTracker/ | 22:11 |
| pace_t_zulu | i've run it on my data.... it's pretty interesting | 22:11 |
| pace_t_zulu | apple is preparing a fix ... http://www.bgr.com/2011/05/02/apple-to-fix-location-tracking-bug-in-ios-4-3-3-due-out-soon/ | 22:22 |
| vychune | o/ | 23:20 |
| cyberanger-tor | hey vychune | 23:22 |
| vychune | enjoying the rain stoppage | 23:22 |
| vychune | whats the tor for? | 23:23 |
| cyberanger-tor | yes I am enjoying the lack of rain | 23:24 |
| cyberanger-tor | I'm connected via tor software https://tor.eff.org | 23:24 |
| cyberanger-tor | trying out new versions of irc clients, connecting to mutiple networks, documenting ease of use and such | 23:25 |
| vychune | cool | 23:26 |
| cyberanger-tor | figured since I'm not trying to hide what I'm using, adjust my nick, make it real clear | 23:26 |
| vychune | sounds good | 23:26 |
| cyberanger-tor | I'm kinda suprised the only network I'm on every day that has a problem is the North American Pirate Party Network | 23:27 |
| vychune | LOL | 23:28 |
| cyberanger-tor | connected to irc.pirateparty.ca (one of the (at least) three servers) and see a DNSBL flag me, they seem to EFNET's list, which does explain some of it | 23:30 |
| cyberanger-tor | but compare it to this https://www.pirateparty.ca/uncategorized/press-release-pirate-party-secure-browsing | 23:30 |
| cyberanger-tor | so I'm bugging the admins about it, after all, that won't look good on a blog | 23:30 |
| vychune | you lost me at DNSBL | 23:31 |
| cyberanger-tor | DNS based BlackList | 23:31 |
| vychune | oh ok | 23:31 |
| cyberanger-tor | a filter, commonly used with email and irc servers, reduce spam | 23:31 |
| vychune | so whyd you get flagged? | 23:32 |
| vychune | or burned rather | 23:32 |
| cyberanger-tor | and tor is considered an open proxy on some lists, freenode actually enhanced their setup for tor | 23:32 |
| cyberanger-tor | efnet decieded tor was a bad idea, and yeah | 23:33 |
| vychune | might have to download that | 23:33 |
| vychune | ohhhhhhhhhhh | 23:33 |
| cyberanger-tor | since the NAPPN seems to use EFNET's blacklist, shared data, shared ban | 23:33 |
| cyberanger-tor | vychune: nothing wrong with tor, your welcome to try it | 23:33 |
| cyberanger-tor | however something is wrong with abusive pricks (I don't call them users) hiding behind anon. systems like tor | 23:34 |
| cyberanger-tor | might I suggest installing a seperate system in a VM and trying | 23:35 |
| cyberanger-tor | keeps things lightweight | 23:35 |
| cyberanger-tor | and easy to clean up if your just wanting a trial run | 23:35 |
| vychune | ok then | 23:36 |
| cyberanger-tor | brb, gonna renice rsync a little, it's a hog | 23:36 |
| vychune | k | 23:36 |
| cyberanger-tor | that helped a bit | 23:36 |
| cyberanger-tor | tor requires some usage changes and a little understanding of how it works for the best effect | 23:37 |
| vychune | hmm | 23:38 |
| cyberanger-tor | but once that occurs, with careful setups, you could blog from china and iran with a higher degree of safety | 23:38 |
| vychune | finally found a good linux game on OMG Ubuntu | 23:38 |
| vychune | LOL | 23:38 |
| wrst | what is it? | 23:39 |
| vychune | hex a hop | 23:40 |
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