[00:00] <cyberanger> they all seem to have artwork now
[00:00] <cyberanger> It takes alot not to start mixing them up
[00:00] <cyberanger> sounds like denver
[00:01] <chibihogoshino> http://www.alopecianmuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/murals03.jpg
[00:01] <chibihogoshino> that one
[00:02] <cyberanger> I'll have to pull that one up in a moment
[00:03] <cyberanger> booting two cli only live discs, getting every thing onto natty
[00:03] <cyberanger> and rsyncing backups
[00:05] <chibihogoshino> ahh
[00:06] <cyberanger> your sure that mural is in denver?
[00:07] <cyberanger> I don't recall that one
[00:07] <cyberanger> however denver was awhile ago, a blow thru
[00:07] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[00:08] <chibihogoshino> that airport i dont think is being used
[00:11] <cyberanger> you think it's stapleton international then?
[00:11] <cyberanger> which was used in Die Hard 2
[00:11] <cyberanger> and is no more
[00:12] <cyberanger> Denver international replaced it, and is what I flew through
[00:12] <chibihogoshino> its still around
[00:12] <cyberanger> then it's neither
[00:13] <cyberanger> stapleton is torn down for a new development
[00:13] <cyberanger> and DEN is still around
[00:13] <cyberanger> idk it's been a long time, pre 9/11
[00:14] <cyberanger> but I know I went via DEN
[00:15] <chibihogoshino> http://extraordinaryintelligence.com/970/the-unexplained/mysterious-murals-and-monuments-at-the-denver-airport/
[00:15] <cyberanger> DEN has a ton of art though
[00:15] <cyberanger> I bet I just didn't see that one
[00:15] <cyberanger> so cyberpunk looking, I'd recall that
[00:15] <cyberanger> and it was a blow thru
[00:15] <cyberanger> 15 minutes between wheels down and wheels up
[00:16] <chibihogoshino> damn
[00:17] <cyberanger> yeah, quickest and cleanest I can recall
[00:17] <cyberanger> O'Hare too that trip come to think of it
[00:17] <cyberanger> which is really odd
[00:19] <chibihogoshino> i guess its called the denver international air port
[00:20] <cyberanger> that was my best trip and my worst trip through both airports (DEN only happened once, so kinda unfair, O'Hare however, that hurt)
[00:21] <cyberanger> yep, FAA code DEN, Denver International Airport
[00:21] <cyberanger> nicknamed DIA
[00:21] <chibihogoshino> ahh
[00:22] <cyberanger> stapleton was the old one closed in '95
[00:22] <cyberanger> never saw it
[00:22] <cyberanger> but would have liked to, due to my die hard fandom
[00:25] <cyberanger> seeing all that though, kinda a shame it was so quick
[00:25] <cyberanger> gate to gate in under 5 minutes
[00:27] <vychune> see ya guys
[00:27] <cyberanger> bye vychune
[00:30] <chibihogoshino> brb
[00:30] <cyberanger> k
[00:36] <chibihogoshino> damn..
[00:36] <chibihogoshino> i wish there was info on how to theme plymouth
[00:37] <cyberanger> step one, try
[00:37] <cyberanger> step two, fail
[00:37] <cyberanger> step three bang head into keyboard
[00:37] <cyberanger> step four try again
[00:37] <chibihogoshino> yeah i have been failing for the last 3 hours
[00:37] <cyberanger> step five, give up
[00:38] <chibihogoshino> i cant
[00:38] <chibihogoshino> its like half done ..
[00:40] <cyberanger> which half
[00:41] <chibihogoshino> i have the logo pulsing or fading.. what ever you want to call it.. i just cant figure out how to change the fading background color from the purple to black
[00:42] <chibihogoshino> its a logo with a black background and it fades to purple..
[01:29] <chibihogoshino> im i the only person still using xdm ?
[02:11] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: perhaps
[02:11] <chibihogoshino> lol
[02:11] <cyberanger> gdm is more common here
[02:12] <chibihogoshino> i like the old gdm
[02:12] <cyberanger> but I either use slim or nothing lately
[02:13] <chibihogoshino> i did try slim
[02:13] <cyberanger> didn't like it?
[02:13] <chibihogoshino> i could get it to fit my theme
[02:14] <cyberanger> dead simple to theme
[02:14] <cyberanger> seconds to fit my openbox theme
[02:14] <chibihogoshino> yeah .. i didn mess with it that much since xdm is alredy setup
[02:14] <chibihogoshino> but i think plymouth is fucking with it ..
[02:16] <chibihogoshino> i put my user name in and it kicks out of the xdm session before i can put my password in and then starts back up..
[02:17] <cyberanger> ouch
[02:17] <chibihogoshino> i dont even know why that would happen
[02:17] <cyberanger> and that does sound likely
[02:18] <chibihogoshino> also when i hit ctl alt f1 x still runs and logs in when i put my name and password in the vt .. it dosnt let go of they keybord
[02:19] <cyberanger> woah, that's really bad
[02:19] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[02:19] <cyberanger> what about f2?
[02:20] <chibihogoshino> hmm.. i dunno. didnt think about trying it ..
[02:20] <cyberanger> it might just be one tty
[02:20] <cyberanger> so idk
[02:20] <cyberanger> the last thing called plymouth I liked was a tavern in Erie
[02:20] <chibihogoshino> i think it has something to do with plymouths login thing that never showed up on this install
[02:21] <chibihogoshino> maybe if i disable f1 it will work
[02:21] <cyberanger> unlikely
[02:21] <cyberanger> since really it shouldn't be tied to that
[02:22] <chibihogoshino> is plymouth supposed to have a l/p ?
[02:22] <cyberanger> sorry, an l/p?
[02:23] <chibihogoshino> login / password
[02:25] <cyberanger> no, it's integrated with gdm
[02:25] <cyberanger> perhaps not as well with slim, xdm
[02:25] <chibihogoshino> oh
[02:25] <cyberanger> based on what I read, that could be it
[02:26] <chibihogoshino> odd it has a section for it tho
[02:26] <cyberanger> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CC8QFjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fbugs%2F723698&rct=j&q=plymouth%20xdm&ei=FAi-TYbdBsK5tgfC3c25BQ&usg=AFQjCNFYlYx_DHob8E3YWMI7QNnv76VHIQ&cad=rja
[02:26] <cyberanger> rotten link
[02:26] <chibihogoshino> i thought it just loaded a image and then passes the graphics to X
[02:26] <cyberanger> it fires before xorg
[02:27] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[02:27] <cyberanger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdm/+bug/723698
[02:27] <cyberanger> does that sound similar to your case
[02:27] <cyberanger> ?
[02:27] <cyberanger> I mean parts of the issue
[02:28] <cyberanger> the plymouthd and xdm conflict
[02:29] <chibihogoshino> hmm..
[02:29] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: are you lucid or newer?
[02:29] <chibihogoshino> lucid
[02:29] <cyberanger> there's your issue
[02:30] <cyberanger> xdm isn't an upstart job
[02:30] <chibihogoshino> it donst use 30% cpu tho
[02:30] <cyberanger> and therefor isn't signalling plymouthd
[02:30] <cyberanger> and due to that, plymouth is running over xdm
[02:30] <chibihogoshino> and i dont really have a problem logging in unless its the first time at boot
[02:31] <cyberanger> the 30% bit was due to plymouth still running, stalled, that isn't the bug itself
[02:31] <chibihogoshino> so i should have a kill plymouth in the xdm script ?
[02:31] <cyberanger> but your login issue? explain that a bit more
[02:32] <cyberanger> no, it's more of a pulse, a signal to plymouth, saying the computer equilavant of
[02:32] <cyberanger> hey buddy, quit talking and grab me a beer
[02:32] <cyberanger> and without that signal, plymouth won't shut up
[02:33] <chibihogoshino> the system loads up plymouth runs through and then xdm starts up .. i type my username and then xdm restarts . then i just retype my user name and pass and its all good
[02:33] <cyberanger> are you planning on upgrading to maverick or natty?
[02:33] <chibihogoshino> no
[02:34] <cyberanger> what about gdm instead of xdm>
[02:34] <chibihogoshino> i dont like it
[02:34] <cyberanger> I hear ya, just it's your version of xdm
[02:35] <cyberanger> if it was using upstart, it'd be solved
[02:35] <chibihogoshino> hmm
[02:35] <cyberanger> not sure how to fix it otherwise
[02:35] <chibihogoshino> i wonder how smooth a update would go
[02:35] <cyberanger> it's fine in maverick, and it's fine in gdm
[02:35] <cyberanger> backup first
[02:36] <chibihogoshino> yeah ..
[02:36] <cyberanger> otherwise ....
[02:36] <chibihogoshino> ill have to see if i can find some dvds or something
[02:36] <cyberanger> The World is Coming to an End
[02:36] <cyberanger> Please Log Off
[02:37] <chibihogoshino> mm.
[02:37] <chibihogoshino> i only have a cd burner in here
[02:37] <chibihogoshino> and its broken
[02:37] <cyberanger> you only need a cd though
[02:37] <cyberanger> oh, uh, yeah
[02:38] <chibihogoshino> oh well..
[02:41] <cyberanger> I've tried to remove plymouth more than anything
[02:42] <cyberanger> perhaps after some tinkering I can be of more help, but with what I read, plymouth, xdm and lucid doesn't mix
[02:42] <chibihogoshino> yeah ..
[02:42] <chibihogoshino> its not that big of a problem as what i have been reading .. its just feels a bit buggy
[02:43] <cyberanger> becuase it is
[02:43] <chibihogoshino> its odd when i hit alt f2 it sometimes kicks me to a vt and i cant get back to Xs display
[02:44] <cyberanger> lucid was trial by fire, to some extent
[02:44] <chibihogoshino> its still running tho ..
[02:44] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: f7 should
[02:44] <chibihogoshino> yeah.. it should
[02:44] <cyberanger> f1 - f6 is tty's f7 is a system buffer & xorg runs on it
[02:44] <cyberanger> usually
[02:44] <chibihogoshino> i can get back to X that way but its all black
[02:45] <chibihogoshino> cant see any windows
[02:45] <cyberanger> hrm
[02:45] <cyberanger> before or after login?
[02:45] <chibihogoshino> the mouse cursor changes tho if i run it over window edges
[02:45] <cyberanger> try f8 then, f7 might be dead
[02:45] <chibihogoshino> after log in
[02:45] <cyberanger> oh, wow
[02:45] <chibihogoshino> same thing
[02:46] <chibihogoshino> f7 seams to be the input .. a bunch of random characters from the keyboard and mouse
[02:46] <chibihogoshino> but only when i cant get back to X
[02:46] <chibihogoshino> right now f7 is normal x
[02:48] <chibihogoshino> haha
[02:48] <chibihogoshino> hit alt f1 and then alt f7 and i got kicked out of X
[02:48] <cyberanger> ouch
[02:52] <chibihogoshino> gotta love bugs
[03:06] <vychune> heeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[03:06] <chibihogoshino> hi vychune
[03:06] <vychune> whatcha up to
[03:07] <chibihogoshino> not liking how ubu is doing stuff
[03:10] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: I take it you don't use irssi or weechat
[03:11] <cyberanger> x don't matter (tm pending ;-))
[03:12] <chibihogoshino> no
[03:13] <chibihogoshino> i like my gui
[03:14] <chibihogoshino> but its my gui.. how i want it ..
[03:14] <chibihogoshino> for the most part
[03:14] <cyberanger> that's why I theme mine
[03:14] <chibihogoshino> i did
[03:14] <cyberanger> but I'm in the terminal for a ton of tasks
[03:14] <chibihogoshino> i just dont like being forced to use plymouth
[03:15] <cyberanger> yeah
[03:15] <chibihogoshino> i tried turning off the gui boot but that didnt work
[03:15] <cyberanger> your not, but it's a real huge pain
[03:15] <cyberanger> or it's debian
[03:16] <chibihogoshino> its like they forgot that simple is best
[03:16] <cyberanger> ubuntu or debian?
[03:16] <chibihogoshino> ubuntu
[03:17] <cyberanger> ubuntu was never really about simplicity in that sense
[03:17] <cyberanger> they were a dumbing down simplicity
[03:17] <cyberanger> vs debian or slackware or arch KISS simplicity
[03:17] <cyberanger> or the middle ground of some others
[03:18] <wrst> yeah cyberanger debian, slcakware, arch are simple, ubuntu is easy to use huge diference
[03:18] <cyberanger> and honestly, they've strayed from that too, linux mint and crunchbang taking over to an extent
[03:18] <chibihogoshino> till recently i saw ubuntu as a deb remix
[03:19] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, difference in views, KISS vs complex development, but ease of use
[03:19] <cyberanger> and chibihogoshino that's exactly it, a ease of use, debian remix
[03:19] <cyberanger> till lately
[03:19] <wrst> yes from a users standpoint debian, arch etc aren't simple
[03:19] <cyberanger> from a 'new' user standpoint
[03:20] <cyberanger> I think once you've used linux for say 6 months, really use it
[03:20] <chibihogoshino> last time i tried debian and fedora it would boot on my system
[03:20] <cyberanger> you've gotten to a point of choice
[03:21] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: that's good, they're supposed to boot
[03:21] <chibihogoshino> oh
[03:21] <chibihogoshino> lol
[03:21] <chibihogoshino> wouldnt boot
[03:23] <cyberanger> really, it was a live image? or installer? downloaded clean and burned slow?
[03:24] <wrst> cyberanger: my thing with debian if you use stable, its just stale not just stable, and if you use arch which i like you will have isues, really ubuntu is a nice middle ground in not stupid on new packages but being up to date
[03:25] <chibihogoshino> i think it was the debian live cd and fedora installer
[03:25] <wrst> chibihogoshino: i have always had issues with fedora just being a pain
[03:26] <cyberanger> wrst: debian testing is a nice middle ground, not much stability lost, kinda a misnomer to call it testing really
[03:26] <cyberanger> and there is a point where they're stale too
[03:26] <cyberanger> in ubuntu
[03:26] <wrst> cyberanger: might try that out on my server sometime
[03:26] <wrst> i'm upgrading it right now to 10.10 so if i disappear you will know why :)
[03:26] <cyberanger> firefox 4 wasn't in a stable ubuntu for how many months
[03:26] <cyberanger> and I recall the same for oo.o awhile ago
[03:27] <cyberanger> oh boy
[03:27] <chibihogoshino> wrst: good luck
[03:27] <vychune> libre now cyber
[03:27] <cyberanger> wrst: sudo do-release-upgrade ?
[03:27] <wrst> cyberanger: yes there needs to be a way to get packages like that going say in 10.04
[03:27] <wrst> yes cyberanger i usually stay a release behind on my server and it works well and keeps quassel, finch etc fairly up to date
[03:28] <wrst> if this were a "production" server of course i would stay with 10.04
[03:28] <chibihogoshino> would anything even change if i updated tho ?
[03:28] <cyberanger> vychune: not really, oo.o exists still too, but at the time it didn't exist (wrst probally recalls my complaints for using an outdated inferior version for a few months due to that)
[03:28] <wrst> yes cyberanger and agree
[03:29] <cyberanger> vychune: however I prefer the libre fork, oo.o still exists, and they both share alot with each other
[03:30] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: change, yes, break, perhaps (you do backup your data, right?)
[03:30] <cyberanger> it's worth a vm to look at least
[03:30] <wrst> cyberanger:  i prefer libre also its really what ubuntu had installed anyway because ubuntu more or less had the go-oo installed and that is pretty much what libre started with
[03:30] <chibihogoshino> no
[03:31] <cyberanger> wrst: a version behind is a version behind stable though, since lucid is stable now, right?
[03:31] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: no? no backups?
[03:31] <chibihogoshino> nope
[03:31] <chibihogoshino> heh
[03:31] <chibihogoshino> i dont have anyway to
[03:32] <wrst> well its the LTS i think technically 11.04 is now stable but on the download it says for production you might want to consider 10.04... i wish ubuntu would just call the LTS stable
[03:32] <cyberanger> that's never good
[03:32] <cyberanger> wrst: both are stable, one is just older
[03:32] <cyberanger> both are supported
[03:32] <cyberanger> they err on the side of caution
[03:33] <cyberanger> but idk, they seems odd in that, two faced of sorts
[03:33] <wrst> yeah
[03:33] <wrst> no way 11.04 is as stable as 10.04
[03:34] <cyberanger> well, they favor the latest lts for new users
[03:35] <wrst> the download page should i think then focus on the LTS
[03:35] <cyberanger> due to their use of the other releases, this case maverick and natty as an additional testing layer
[03:35] <wrst> of course i think unity wasn't ready for release and they should have used gnomeshell
[03:35] <cyberanger> well, they don't do that for desktops based on download numbers and other statistics
[03:36] <cyberanger> which has allways suggested people grab the very latest
[03:36]  * wrst watches the packages update and hopes he doesn't regret it
[03:37] <cyberanger> wrst: sudo do-release-upgrade ? is that what your doing from lucid to maverick?
[03:37] <wrst> yes
[03:39] <cyberanger> it worked for me, I think (had a glitch, minor, but I think it was just due to it being partial, with the google and ubuntu-gis repo's disabled, re-enable and update I'd have been good)
[03:39] <wrst> my upgrades of server have always been super easy
[03:39] <cyberanger> however I had a snafu on to natty, power down in the middle
[03:39] <wrst> one reason awfully hard for me to use any other server os
[03:39] <cyberanger> server seems to work, and my builds are more like that honestly
[03:40] <cyberanger> debian isn't much of a difference, really
[03:41] <cyberanger> go with testing, for your non-critical needs, you just gotta change the sources.list when testing changes each release
[03:41] <cyberanger> never had an issue yet
[03:41]  * cyberanger knocks on a dead tree
[03:43] <chibihogoshino> damn..
[03:43] <chibihogoshino> i cant find my usb stick
[03:43]  * cyberanger suddenly wonders why that'd be good luck, knocking on a tree that took out power here
[03:43] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: ouch?
[03:43] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[03:44] <chibihogoshino> that was the only working install i had
[03:45] <cyberanger> and you use the word was, something tells me things took a nosedive?
[03:46] <chibihogoshino> it was the custom live iso i made
[03:46] <chibihogoshino> i still have a regular ubuntu cd.. but the cd drive in my laptop is dead
[03:46] <chibihogoshino> haha
[03:47] <cyberanger> ouch
[03:48] <cyberanger> I knew a friend that kept his keys near his vodka, so he'd always know where they were, but one of two things kept happening
[03:49] <cyberanger> one, he'd forget where he put the vodka (down his throat usually) or he'd move the keys so he wouldn't go anywhere while drunk, but with a killer hang over
[03:50] <cyberanger> he'd forget where he hid them while drunk
[03:50] <cyberanger> hopefully that isn't what you did with your usb key
[03:50] <chibihogoshino> na .. its in my room somewhere
[03:52]  * wrst waits for grub to configure.... 
[03:53] <cyberanger> wrst: grub 2 to configure
[03:53] <wrst> well its the only configuring one OS sosurely it will work!
[03:53] <wrst> funny thing cyberanger arch still uses grub .97
[03:54]  * cyberanger waits for the punch line
[03:54]  * cyberanger realizes it just drove past 5 minutes ago, drat
[03:55] <cyberanger> wrst: didn't you have it grab your external once?
[03:55] <wrst> yes i've had it to do all sorts of crazy crap
[03:55] <wrst> but no external drive now
[03:55] <wrst> finally put it internal
[03:56] <cyberanger> so if there is an issue, we know it's related to 4 letters
[03:58]  * cyberanger wonders if anyone wants to play wheel of fortune, the only letters left are bwusrtg ;-)
[03:59] <cyberanger> sorry, that joke stunk, I'll go grab the air freshener
[03:59] <cyberanger> wrst: well, good luck
[04:00] <wrst> yeah i'm wanting to reboot before bed
[04:02] <cyberanger> same here
[04:02] <cyberanger> but it won't happen for all machines
[04:03] <vychune> ok what i miss
[04:03] <vychune> had a runin with a wasp
[04:03] <wrst> ouch who won vychune?
[04:03] <vychune> draw
[04:03] <cyberanger> damn, natty tweaked my system, minor tweak, but one nonetheless
[04:03] <vychune> oh osama bin laden is dead
[04:04] <cyberanger> automount enabled, tweaked pcmanfm some
[04:04] <wrst> vychune: really?
[04:04] <vychune> yep
[04:04] <vychune> well usama on fox news LOL
[04:05] <cyberanger> doesn't suprise me
[04:05] <cyberanger> wrst: and it's not a joke
[04:05] <wrst> hate those alt. spellings, well hate to hear that most people have died, but that's a good one
[04:06] <wrst> thanks for the heads up vychune watching the news now
[04:06] <cyberanger> BBC, wall street journal, the gardian, globe and mail
[04:06] <cyberanger> fox
[04:07] <cyberanger> US Gov't is in possession of his body
[04:07] <cyberanger> qustion is when did the pulse stop?
[04:07] <chibihogoshino> lol
[04:07] <cyberanger> President Barack Obama is due to make a statement shortly :-(
[04:08] <wrst> cyberanger: not excited about the statement? :)
[04:08] <vychune> yep
[04:08] <cyberanger> not a joke, just a matter of how long he hasn't made a confirmed statement (osama that is)
[04:08] <cyberanger> many analyists thought he was dead awhile ago
[04:08] <cyberanger> and I saw some of the intel
[04:09] <cyberanger> never painted a real clear picture, but of all the intel (or lack of, for that matter)
[04:09] <cyberanger> it looked like he was dead and some never wanted that
[04:10] <cyberanger> they wanted him in a court of law, then a firing squad at least
[04:10] <cyberanger> so until I hear the statement, not really
[04:10] <cyberanger> just cause it doesn't answer much right now
[04:11] <cyberanger> his pulse stopped, we have his courpse, that's all I hear now
[04:11] <cyberanger> and it's a shame, better alive than a courpse (alive in custody I should add)
[04:12] <vychune> lol
[04:12] <cyberanger> due to how much conspirisy this'll enable
[04:12] <cyberanger> there was already a ton as it was
[04:13] <vychune> oh yeah
[04:13] <cyberanger> in the intel circles you had to be careful in phrasing when going against the offical views
[04:14] <cyberanger> and it was hard to have an offical view, the guy was smart, when it came to staying off the grid
[04:14] <cyberanger> dropped his sat phone in 97, thinking we could intercept and track it (he wasn't wrong)
[04:15] <cyberanger> first major sucessful attacks in 98
[04:15] <cyberanger> after 9/11 he wasn't leaving much of a trail
[04:16] <cyberanger> and despite our increased efforts and presense, his trail got quieter even, the guy was a ghost as far as sigint went
[04:16] <cyberanger> and even knew how to make humint nearly impossible too
[04:17] <vychune> hey i just thought about something, now that he's gone, all the store owners from that area gonna catch hell. thats messed up
[04:18] <cyberanger> the fact he's dead also makes him a maryter in islamist extrimist circles, which isn't too helpful
[04:18] <wrst> yes cyberanger that has concerned me also
[04:18] <cyberanger> but compared to a cell, securing a trial and such, this should be the better of two outcomes
[04:19]  * wrst rebooting
[04:20] <cyberanger> but with a decentralized al-qudia
[04:20] <vychune> what the heck:bquain:‎ John Cena just confirmed to the ST. Pete Times Forum that Osama Bin Laden is dead. What?! Weeeeirdest way to find out. Wow!
[04:21] <wrst> woot its alive!!!!
[04:21] <cyberanger> hard to say, how much of a role he had in things lately, since that decentralization of sorts
[04:22] <cyberanger> we've been more focused on yemen, al-quida in the arabian penn. and somili's al-shahab
[04:22] <cyberanger> than pakistan and afganistan's al-quedia
[04:22]  * wrst goes to bed
[04:22] <cyberanger> see you wrst
[04:24] <cyberanger> I guess I'll have to see what I can dig up
[04:24] <cyberanger> make some calls perhaps, hrm
[04:40] <chibihogoshino> so .. i have to use arch to make a custom arch install iso ..
[04:40] <cyberanger> cool
[04:40] <cyberanger> working nicely?
[04:41] <chibihogoshino> no
[04:41] <chibihogoshino> i didnt even start
[04:41] <chibihogoshino> i dont have arch installed
[04:41] <cyberanger> oh
[05:20] <cyberanger> conflicting reports, drone strike vs human operation, and various versions of a human operation too
[05:20] <cyberanger> this doesn't sound too good
[05:21] <cyberanger> on top of that, lack of any message from al-quedia
[05:21] <cyberanger> early reports can explain this now, but it's also conspiricy fodder too
[12:51] <wrst> good morning everyone
[12:54] <wrst> good morning!
[15:58] <vychune> o/
[16:02] <Xpistos> What up yos!
[16:36] <vychune> lol
[18:27] <wrst> hello cyberanger
[18:28] <cyberanger> hi wrst
[18:29] <wrst> cyberanger: having a good day?
[18:35] <cyberanger> so far
[18:36] <cyberanger> late start though
[18:36] <wrst> well if you are just now getting up... :)
[18:37] <cyberanger> getting online
[18:39] <cyberanger> cat $tired > /dev/null
[18:39] <cyberanger> much betterr
[18:46] <wrst> :)
[18:48] <cyberanger> echo $tired
[18:49] <cyberanger> /dev/wallet/money
[18:49] <cyberanger> D'Oh
[18:49] <cyberanger> today's lesson, careful how you define your variables
[18:50] <cyberanger> (and that caffine was just a waste of money today, goes too quick)
[18:51] <cyberanger> wrst: how's your day
[18:51] <wrst> pretty well cyberanger for a monday :)
[18:52]  * cyberanger looks at calendar
[18:52] <cyberanger> that explains alot
[18:56] <wrst> :)
[22:01] <cyberanger> a few things changed in natty
[22:01] <cyberanger> some might be bugs
[22:01] <cyberanger> apt-get ignoring $http_proxy
[22:01] <cyberanger> for example
[22:02] <cyberanger> (a workaround if anyone else needs it is to set it in /etc/apt/apt.conf however for me, this is less ideal)
[22:03] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: you will be glad to know you are no longer left out: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/05/fake-mac-defender-antivirus-app-scams-users-for-money-cc-numbers.ars
[22:04] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: its about damn time...
[22:04] <wrst> ha ha well i'm just waiting for the linux version
[22:04] <wrst> seems like a waste of time pace_t_zulu unless somone is totally stupid to try that on a mac since you must eleveate user privelages to install something
[22:04] <cyberanger> um........
[22:06] <cyberanger> whoever falls for that, I've got a bridge to sell
[22:07] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: it would not be hard at all
[22:07] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: people always want to install antivirus... makes them feel like they own a  computer
[22:07] <wrst> no and I'm sure some will do it but if you think things through it should not happen let me put it that way
[22:08] <cyberanger> wrst: in windows now you elivate privs for AV software too
[22:08] <wrst> do you run any antivirus on your mac pace_t_zulu?
[22:08] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: did you hear about the iphone tracker file?
[22:08] <wrst> yes
[22:08] <cyberanger> I heard too, I cannot say I was suprised
[22:09] <pace_t_zulu> it is trivially easy to get that data off a mac (and probably a pc as well)
[22:09] <pace_t_zulu> the source code is publically available...
[22:11] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i sent you a pm
[22:11] <pace_t_zulu> here's a link to the iphone tracker
[22:11] <pace_t_zulu> http://petewarden.github.com/iPhoneTracker/
[22:11] <pace_t_zulu> i've run it on my data.... it's pretty interesting
[22:22] <pace_t_zulu> apple is preparing a fix ... http://www.bgr.com/2011/05/02/apple-to-fix-location-tracking-bug-in-ios-4-3-3-due-out-soon/
[23:20] <vychune> o/
[23:22] <cyberanger-tor> hey vychune
[23:22] <vychune> enjoying the rain stoppage
[23:23] <vychune> whats the tor for?
[23:24] <cyberanger-tor> yes I am enjoying the lack of rain
[23:24] <cyberanger-tor> I'm connected via tor software https://tor.eff.org
[23:25] <cyberanger-tor> trying out new versions of irc clients, connecting to mutiple networks, documenting ease of use and such
[23:26] <vychune> cool
[23:26] <cyberanger-tor> figured since I'm not trying to hide what I'm using, adjust my nick, make it real clear
[23:26] <vychune> sounds good
[23:27] <cyberanger-tor> I'm kinda suprised the only network I'm on every day that has a problem is the North American Pirate Party Network
[23:28] <vychune> LOL
[23:30] <cyberanger-tor> connected to irc.pirateparty.ca (one of the (at least) three servers) and see a DNSBL flag me, they seem to EFNET's list, which does explain some of it
[23:30] <cyberanger-tor> but compare it to this https://www.pirateparty.ca/uncategorized/press-release-pirate-party-secure-browsing
[23:30] <cyberanger-tor> so I'm bugging the admins about it, after all, that won't look good on a blog
[23:31] <vychune> you lost me at DNSBL
[23:31] <cyberanger-tor> DNS based BlackList
[23:31] <vychune> oh ok
[23:31] <cyberanger-tor> a filter, commonly used with email and irc servers, reduce spam
[23:32] <vychune> so whyd you get flagged?
[23:32] <vychune> or burned rather
[23:32] <cyberanger-tor> and tor is considered an open proxy on some lists, freenode actually enhanced their setup for tor
[23:33] <cyberanger-tor> efnet decieded tor was a bad idea, and yeah
[23:33] <vychune> might have to download that
[23:33] <vychune> ohhhhhhhhhhh
[23:33] <cyberanger-tor> since the NAPPN seems to use EFNET's blacklist, shared data, shared ban
[23:33] <cyberanger-tor> vychune: nothing wrong with tor, your welcome to try it
[23:34] <cyberanger-tor> however something is wrong with abusive pricks (I don't call them users) hiding behind anon. systems like tor
[23:35] <cyberanger-tor> might I suggest installing a seperate system in a VM and trying
[23:35] <cyberanger-tor> keeps things lightweight
[23:35] <cyberanger-tor> and easy to clean up if your just wanting a trial run
[23:36] <vychune> ok then
[23:36] <cyberanger-tor> brb, gonna renice rsync a little, it's a hog
[23:36] <vychune> k
[23:36] <cyberanger-tor> that helped a bit
[23:37] <cyberanger-tor> tor requires some usage changes and a little understanding of how it works for the best effect
[23:38] <vychune> hmm
[23:38] <cyberanger-tor> but once that occurs, with careful setups, you could blog from china and iran with a higher degree of safety
[23:38] <vychune> finally found a good linux game on OMG Ubuntu
[23:38] <vychune> LOL
[23:39] <wrst> what is it?
[23:40] <vychune> hex a hop