[00:00] they all seem to have artwork now [00:00] It takes alot not to start mixing them up [00:00] sounds like denver [00:01] http://www.alopecianmuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/murals03.jpg [00:01] that one [00:02] I'll have to pull that one up in a moment [00:03] booting two cli only live discs, getting every thing onto natty [00:03] and rsyncing backups [00:05] ahh [00:06] your sure that mural is in denver? [00:07] I don't recall that one [00:07] however denver was awhile ago, a blow thru [00:07] yeah [00:08] that airport i dont think is being used [00:11] you think it's stapleton international then? [00:11] which was used in Die Hard 2 [00:11] and is no more [00:12] Denver international replaced it, and is what I flew through [00:12] its still around [00:12] then it's neither [00:13] stapleton is torn down for a new development [00:13] and DEN is still around [00:13] idk it's been a long time, pre 9/11 [00:14] but I know I went via DEN [00:15] http://extraordinaryintelligence.com/970/the-unexplained/mysterious-murals-and-monuments-at-the-denver-airport/ [00:15] DEN has a ton of art though [00:15] I bet I just didn't see that one [00:15] so cyberpunk looking, I'd recall that [00:15] and it was a blow thru [00:15] 15 minutes between wheels down and wheels up [00:16] damn [00:17] yeah, quickest and cleanest I can recall [00:17] O'Hare too that trip come to think of it [00:17] which is really odd [00:19] i guess its called the denver international air port [00:20] that was my best trip and my worst trip through both airports (DEN only happened once, so kinda unfair, O'Hare however, that hurt) [00:21] yep, FAA code DEN, Denver International Airport [00:21] nicknamed DIA [00:21] ahh [00:22] stapleton was the old one closed in '95 [00:22] never saw it [00:22] but would have liked to, due to my die hard fandom [00:25] seeing all that though, kinda a shame it was so quick [00:25] gate to gate in under 5 minutes [00:27] see ya guys [00:27] bye vychune [00:30] brb [00:30] k [00:36] damn.. [00:36] i wish there was info on how to theme plymouth [00:37] step one, try [00:37] step two, fail [00:37] step three bang head into keyboard [00:37] step four try again [00:37] yeah i have been failing for the last 3 hours [00:37] step five, give up [00:38] i cant [00:38] its like half done .. [00:40] which half [00:41] i have the logo pulsing or fading.. what ever you want to call it.. i just cant figure out how to change the fading background color from the purple to black [00:42] its a logo with a black background and it fades to purple.. [01:29] im i the only person still using xdm ? [02:11] chibihogoshino: perhaps [02:11] lol [02:11] gdm is more common here [02:12] i like the old gdm [02:12] but I either use slim or nothing lately [02:13] i did try slim [02:13] didn't like it? [02:13] i could get it to fit my theme [02:14] dead simple to theme [02:14] seconds to fit my openbox theme [02:14] yeah .. i didn mess with it that much since xdm is alredy setup [02:14] but i think plymouth is fucking with it .. [02:16] i put my user name in and it kicks out of the xdm session before i can put my password in and then starts back up.. [02:17] ouch [02:17] i dont even know why that would happen [02:17] and that does sound likely [02:18] also when i hit ctl alt f1 x still runs and logs in when i put my name and password in the vt .. it dosnt let go of they keybord [02:19] woah, that's really bad [02:19] yeah [02:19] what about f2? [02:20] hmm.. i dunno. didnt think about trying it .. [02:20] it might just be one tty [02:20] so idk [02:20] the last thing called plymouth I liked was a tavern in Erie [02:20] i think it has something to do with plymouths login thing that never showed up on this install [02:21] maybe if i disable f1 it will work [02:21] unlikely [02:21] since really it shouldn't be tied to that [02:22] is plymouth supposed to have a l/p ? [02:22] sorry, an l/p? [02:23] login / password [02:25] no, it's integrated with gdm [02:25] perhaps not as well with slim, xdm [02:25] oh [02:25] based on what I read, that could be it [02:26] odd it has a section for it tho [02:26] http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CC8QFjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fbugs%2F723698&rct=j&q=plymouth%20xdm&ei=FAi-TYbdBsK5tgfC3c25BQ&usg=AFQjCNFYlYx_DHob8E3YWMI7QNnv76VHIQ&cad=rja [02:26] rotten link [02:26] i thought it just loaded a image and then passes the graphics to X [02:26] it fires before xorg [02:27] yeah [02:27] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdm/+bug/723698 [02:27] does that sound similar to your case [02:27] ? [02:27] I mean parts of the issue [02:28] the plymouthd and xdm conflict [02:29] hmm.. [02:29] chibihogoshino: are you lucid or newer? [02:29] lucid [02:29] there's your issue [02:30] xdm isn't an upstart job [02:30] it donst use 30% cpu tho [02:30] and therefor isn't signalling plymouthd [02:30] and due to that, plymouth is running over xdm [02:30] and i dont really have a problem logging in unless its the first time at boot [02:31] the 30% bit was due to plymouth still running, stalled, that isn't the bug itself [02:31] so i should have a kill plymouth in the xdm script ? [02:31] but your login issue? explain that a bit more [02:32] no, it's more of a pulse, a signal to plymouth, saying the computer equilavant of [02:32] hey buddy, quit talking and grab me a beer [02:32] and without that signal, plymouth won't shut up [02:33] the system loads up plymouth runs through and then xdm starts up .. i type my username and then xdm restarts . then i just retype my user name and pass and its all good [02:33] are you planning on upgrading to maverick or natty? [02:33] no [02:34] what about gdm instead of xdm> [02:34] i dont like it [02:34] I hear ya, just it's your version of xdm [02:35] if it was using upstart, it'd be solved [02:35] hmm [02:35] not sure how to fix it otherwise [02:35] i wonder how smooth a update would go [02:35] it's fine in maverick, and it's fine in gdm [02:35] backup first [02:36] yeah .. [02:36] otherwise .... [02:36] ill have to see if i can find some dvds or something [02:36] The World is Coming to an End [02:36] Please Log Off [02:37] mm. [02:37] i only have a cd burner in here [02:37] and its broken [02:37] you only need a cd though [02:37] oh, uh, yeah [02:38] oh well.. [02:41] I've tried to remove plymouth more than anything [02:42] perhaps after some tinkering I can be of more help, but with what I read, plymouth, xdm and lucid doesn't mix [02:42] yeah .. [02:42] its not that big of a problem as what i have been reading .. its just feels a bit buggy [02:43] becuase it is [02:43] its odd when i hit alt f2 it sometimes kicks me to a vt and i cant get back to Xs display [02:44] lucid was trial by fire, to some extent [02:44] its still running tho .. [02:44] chibihogoshino: f7 should [02:44] yeah.. it should [02:44] f1 - f6 is tty's f7 is a system buffer & xorg runs on it [02:44] usually [02:44] i can get back to X that way but its all black [02:45] cant see any windows [02:45] hrm [02:45] before or after login? [02:45] the mouse cursor changes tho if i run it over window edges [02:45] try f8 then, f7 might be dead [02:45] after log in [02:45] oh, wow [02:45] same thing [02:46] f7 seams to be the input .. a bunch of random characters from the keyboard and mouse [02:46] but only when i cant get back to X [02:46] right now f7 is normal x [02:48] haha [02:48] hit alt f1 and then alt f7 and i got kicked out of X [02:48] ouch [02:52] gotta love bugs [03:06] heeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy [03:06] hi vychune [03:06] whatcha up to [03:07] not liking how ubu is doing stuff [03:10] chibihogoshino: I take it you don't use irssi or weechat [03:11] x don't matter (tm pending ;-)) [03:12] no [03:13] i like my gui [03:14] but its my gui.. how i want it .. [03:14] for the most part [03:14] that's why I theme mine [03:14] i did [03:14] but I'm in the terminal for a ton of tasks [03:14] i just dont like being forced to use plymouth [03:15] yeah [03:15] i tried turning off the gui boot but that didnt work [03:15] your not, but it's a real huge pain [03:15] or it's debian [03:16] its like they forgot that simple is best [03:16] ubuntu or debian? [03:16] ubuntu [03:17] ubuntu was never really about simplicity in that sense [03:17] they were a dumbing down simplicity [03:17] vs debian or slackware or arch KISS simplicity [03:17] or the middle ground of some others [03:18] yeah cyberanger debian, slcakware, arch are simple, ubuntu is easy to use huge diference [03:18] and honestly, they've strayed from that too, linux mint and crunchbang taking over to an extent [03:18] till recently i saw ubuntu as a deb remix [03:19] wrst: yeah, difference in views, KISS vs complex development, but ease of use [03:19] and chibihogoshino that's exactly it, a ease of use, debian remix [03:19] till lately [03:19] yes from a users standpoint debian, arch etc aren't simple [03:19] from a 'new' user standpoint [03:20] I think once you've used linux for say 6 months, really use it [03:20] last time i tried debian and fedora it would boot on my system [03:20] you've gotten to a point of choice [03:21] chibihogoshino: that's good, they're supposed to boot [03:21] oh [03:21] lol [03:21] wouldnt boot [03:23] really, it was a live image? or installer? downloaded clean and burned slow? [03:24] cyberanger: my thing with debian if you use stable, its just stale not just stable, and if you use arch which i like you will have isues, really ubuntu is a nice middle ground in not stupid on new packages but being up to date [03:25] i think it was the debian live cd and fedora installer [03:25] chibihogoshino: i have always had issues with fedora just being a pain [03:26] wrst: debian testing is a nice middle ground, not much stability lost, kinda a misnomer to call it testing really [03:26] and there is a point where they're stale too [03:26] in ubuntu [03:26] cyberanger: might try that out on my server sometime [03:26] i'm upgrading it right now to 10.10 so if i disappear you will know why :) [03:26] firefox 4 wasn't in a stable ubuntu for how many months [03:26] and I recall the same for oo.o awhile ago [03:27] oh boy [03:27] wrst: good luck [03:27] libre now cyber [03:27] wrst: sudo do-release-upgrade ? [03:27] cyberanger: yes there needs to be a way to get packages like that going say in 10.04 [03:27] yes cyberanger i usually stay a release behind on my server and it works well and keeps quassel, finch etc fairly up to date [03:28] if this were a "production" server of course i would stay with 10.04 [03:28] would anything even change if i updated tho ? [03:28] vychune: not really, oo.o exists still too, but at the time it didn't exist (wrst probally recalls my complaints for using an outdated inferior version for a few months due to that) [03:28] yes cyberanger and agree [03:29] vychune: however I prefer the libre fork, oo.o still exists, and they both share alot with each other [03:30] chibihogoshino: change, yes, break, perhaps (you do backup your data, right?) [03:30] it's worth a vm to look at least [03:30] cyberanger: i prefer libre also its really what ubuntu had installed anyway because ubuntu more or less had the go-oo installed and that is pretty much what libre started with [03:30] no [03:31] wrst: a version behind is a version behind stable though, since lucid is stable now, right? [03:31] chibihogoshino: no? no backups? [03:31] nope [03:31] heh [03:31] i dont have anyway to [03:32] well its the LTS i think technically 11.04 is now stable but on the download it says for production you might want to consider 10.04... i wish ubuntu would just call the LTS stable [03:32] that's never good [03:32] wrst: both are stable, one is just older [03:32] both are supported [03:32] they err on the side of caution [03:33] but idk, they seems odd in that, two faced of sorts [03:33] yeah [03:33] no way 11.04 is as stable as 10.04 [03:34] well, they favor the latest lts for new users [03:35] the download page should i think then focus on the LTS [03:35] due to their use of the other releases, this case maverick and natty as an additional testing layer [03:35] of course i think unity wasn't ready for release and they should have used gnomeshell [03:35] well, they don't do that for desktops based on download numbers and other statistics [03:36] which has allways suggested people grab the very latest [03:36] * wrst watches the packages update and hopes he doesn't regret it [03:37] wrst: sudo do-release-upgrade ? is that what your doing from lucid to maverick? [03:37] yes [03:39] it worked for me, I think (had a glitch, minor, but I think it was just due to it being partial, with the google and ubuntu-gis repo's disabled, re-enable and update I'd have been good) [03:39] my upgrades of server have always been super easy [03:39] however I had a snafu on to natty, power down in the middle [03:39] one reason awfully hard for me to use any other server os [03:39] server seems to work, and my builds are more like that honestly [03:40] debian isn't much of a difference, really [03:41] go with testing, for your non-critical needs, you just gotta change the sources.list when testing changes each release [03:41] never had an issue yet [03:41] * cyberanger knocks on a dead tree [03:43] damn.. [03:43] i cant find my usb stick [03:43] * cyberanger suddenly wonders why that'd be good luck, knocking on a tree that took out power here [03:43] chibihogoshino: ouch? [03:43] yeah [03:44] that was the only working install i had [03:45] and you use the word was, something tells me things took a nosedive? [03:46] it was the custom live iso i made [03:46] i still have a regular ubuntu cd.. but the cd drive in my laptop is dead [03:46] haha [03:47] ouch [03:48] I knew a friend that kept his keys near his vodka, so he'd always know where they were, but one of two things kept happening [03:49] one, he'd forget where he put the vodka (down his throat usually) or he'd move the keys so he wouldn't go anywhere while drunk, but with a killer hang over [03:50] he'd forget where he hid them while drunk [03:50] hopefully that isn't what you did with your usb key [03:50] na .. its in my room somewhere [03:52] * wrst waits for grub to configure.... [03:53] wrst: grub 2 to configure [03:53] well its the only configuring one OS sosurely it will work! [03:53] funny thing cyberanger arch still uses grub .97 [03:54] * cyberanger waits for the punch line [03:54] * cyberanger realizes it just drove past 5 minutes ago, drat [03:55] wrst: didn't you have it grab your external once? [03:55] yes i've had it to do all sorts of crazy crap [03:55] but no external drive now [03:55] finally put it internal [03:56] so if there is an issue, we know it's related to 4 letters [03:58] * cyberanger wonders if anyone wants to play wheel of fortune, the only letters left are bwusrtg ;-) [03:59] sorry, that joke stunk, I'll go grab the air freshener [03:59] wrst: well, good luck [04:00] yeah i'm wanting to reboot before bed [04:02] same here [04:02] but it won't happen for all machines [04:03] ok what i miss [04:03] had a runin with a wasp [04:03] ouch who won vychune? [04:03] draw [04:03] damn, natty tweaked my system, minor tweak, but one nonetheless [04:03] oh osama bin laden is dead [04:04] automount enabled, tweaked pcmanfm some [04:04] vychune: really? [04:04] yep [04:04] well usama on fox news LOL [04:05] doesn't suprise me [04:05] wrst: and it's not a joke [04:05] hate those alt. spellings, well hate to hear that most people have died, but that's a good one [04:06] thanks for the heads up vychune watching the news now [04:06] BBC, wall street journal, the gardian, globe and mail [04:06] fox [04:07] US Gov't is in possession of his body [04:07] qustion is when did the pulse stop? [04:07] lol [04:07] President Barack Obama is due to make a statement shortly :-( [04:08] cyberanger: not excited about the statement? :) [04:08] yep [04:08] not a joke, just a matter of how long he hasn't made a confirmed statement (osama that is) [04:08] many analyists thought he was dead awhile ago [04:08] and I saw some of the intel [04:09] never painted a real clear picture, but of all the intel (or lack of, for that matter) [04:09] it looked like he was dead and some never wanted that [04:10] they wanted him in a court of law, then a firing squad at least [04:10] so until I hear the statement, not really [04:10] just cause it doesn't answer much right now [04:11] his pulse stopped, we have his courpse, that's all I hear now [04:11] and it's a shame, better alive than a courpse (alive in custody I should add) [04:12] lol [04:12] due to how much conspirisy this'll enable [04:12] there was already a ton as it was [04:13] oh yeah [04:13] in the intel circles you had to be careful in phrasing when going against the offical views [04:14] and it was hard to have an offical view, the guy was smart, when it came to staying off the grid [04:14] dropped his sat phone in 97, thinking we could intercept and track it (he wasn't wrong) [04:15] first major sucessful attacks in 98 [04:15] after 9/11 he wasn't leaving much of a trail [04:16] and despite our increased efforts and presense, his trail got quieter even, the guy was a ghost as far as sigint went [04:16] and even knew how to make humint nearly impossible too [04:17] hey i just thought about something, now that he's gone, all the store owners from that area gonna catch hell. thats messed up [04:18] the fact he's dead also makes him a maryter in islamist extrimist circles, which isn't too helpful [04:18] yes cyberanger that has concerned me also [04:18] but compared to a cell, securing a trial and such, this should be the better of two outcomes [04:19] * wrst rebooting [04:20] but with a decentralized al-qudia [04:20] what the heck:bquain:‎ John Cena just confirmed to the ST. Pete Times Forum that Osama Bin Laden is dead. What?! Weeeeirdest way to find out. Wow! [04:21] woot its alive!!!! [04:21] hard to say, how much of a role he had in things lately, since that decentralization of sorts [04:22] we've been more focused on yemen, al-quida in the arabian penn. and somili's al-shahab [04:22] than pakistan and afganistan's al-quedia [04:22] * wrst goes to bed [04:22] see you wrst [04:24] I guess I'll have to see what I can dig up [04:24] make some calls perhaps, hrm [04:40] so .. i have to use arch to make a custom arch install iso .. [04:40] cool [04:40] working nicely? [04:41] no [04:41] i didnt even start [04:41] i dont have arch installed [04:41] oh [05:20] conflicting reports, drone strike vs human operation, and various versions of a human operation too [05:20] this doesn't sound too good [05:21] on top of that, lack of any message from al-quedia [05:21] early reports can explain this now, but it's also conspiricy fodder too [12:51] good morning everyone [12:54] good morning! === wrst_Quassel is now known as wrst [15:58] o/ [16:02] What up yos! [16:36] lol === wrst_ is now known as wrst [18:27] hello cyberanger [18:28] hi wrst [18:29] cyberanger: having a good day? [18:35] so far [18:36] late start though [18:36] well if you are just now getting up... :) [18:37] getting online [18:39] cat $tired > /dev/null [18:39] much betterr [18:46] :) [18:48] echo $tired [18:49] /dev/wallet/money [18:49] D'Oh [18:49] today's lesson, careful how you define your variables [18:50] (and that caffine was just a waste of money today, goes too quick) [18:51] wrst: how's your day [18:51] pretty well cyberanger for a monday :) [18:52] * cyberanger looks at calendar [18:52] that explains alot [18:56] :) [22:01] a few things changed in natty [22:01] some might be bugs [22:01] apt-get ignoring $http_proxy [22:01] for example [22:02] (a workaround if anyone else needs it is to set it in /etc/apt/apt.conf however for me, this is less ideal) [22:03] pace_t_zulu: you will be glad to know you are no longer left out: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/05/fake-mac-defender-antivirus-app-scams-users-for-money-cc-numbers.ars [22:04] wrst: its about damn time... [22:04] ha ha well i'm just waiting for the linux version [22:04] seems like a waste of time pace_t_zulu unless somone is totally stupid to try that on a mac since you must eleveate user privelages to install something [22:04] um........ [22:06] whoever falls for that, I've got a bridge to sell [22:07] wrst: it would not be hard at all [22:07]