[00:54] <ScottL> ckontros, i'm around now and inside for the evening, hit me with what you need
[00:54] <ScottL> holstein, that's the problem, i think only schotastic has access to the content on the website
[00:54] <ScottL> holstein, other than that he would need to update the -website package
[01:17] <holstein> ScottL: we need you to be able to give access to the site
[01:17] <holstein> especially when we have a willing volunteer
[01:24] <holstein> ckontros: o/
[01:24] <holstein> i think everyone really likes the new splash screen ckontros 
[01:25] <holstein> bbl...
[01:28] <ScottL> holstein, we need to be clear what access we want to grant
[01:28] <ScottL> if someone wants to change the structure of the site, i.e. the .php files etc then that i believe is the -website package, anyone can propose a change to that, it's open to anyone
[01:29] <ScottL> if someone want to edit content, then they need to ask for it from canonical, i can't control that
[01:47] <ckontros> Is the new logo used in the new splash? Screenshots? :)
[01:55] <ckontros> Some tinkering: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1209/screenshot0501201108493.jpg I found a XFWM theme that was close to the old Studio one. I'm just tinkering with it. Not gonna use it for final. I still wanna maintain the GNOME one but add a XFWM one that matches perfectly. But this is pretty much the layout for AWN Im thinking. Everything is already packaged. Just have to see how to set defaults.
[01:57] <ckontros> (still not set on an icon theme)
[02:00] <ckontros> ScottL: Will you prep something for planet regarding the switch to XFCE or would you rather I do it?
[02:03] <ckontros> ScottL: I have also subscribed to the xubuntu-devel list to announce our move and pick their brainz.
[02:19] <ckontros> Time for bed. Ill stay connected for msgs.
[02:42] <ScottL> ckontros, i can do the planet post
[02:42] <ScottL> it's just been a rather full weekend, but i can do it during this week
[03:43] <ckontros> ScottL: I need to know what cmd you use to push to ubuntustudio-default-settings. "bzr push lp:ubuntustudio-default-settings" wont work and If I look at the code page on LP is says I cant upload. Please look into if I need some new permissions. Or maybe my push code is wrong. IDK.
[03:44] <ScottL> ckontros, do you have the correct ssh key?
[03:45] <ScottL>     bzr push lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio
[03:45] <ScottL> try that ckontros 
[04:05] <ScottL> ckontros, when i had trouble pushing in bzr it was because i didn't have a current sshkey, i had to make a new one
[05:06] <holstein> ScottL: you still up?
[05:06] <holstein> i just wanted to give kokito a chance to update that information
[05:06] <holstein> we keep getting email list comments
[05:07] <holstein> and i think we are the last to not have our site updated
[05:07] <holstein> for 11.04
[05:12] <ScottL> holstein, kokito cannot have access to the website at this point
[05:12] <ScottL> holstein, he will need to contact canonical to be given access
[05:13] <ScottL> holstein, the same method that i am attempting to go through
[05:13] <holstein> OH
[05:13] <holstein> ScottL: i see
[05:13] <holstein> you're trying to get it
[05:13] <ScottL> if stochastic doesn't come through soon on updating it then it will probably be when we go live with the new, updated website on our own hosting before we can update the news
[05:13] <holstein> thats cool
[05:13] <ScottL> holstein, i've BEEN trying to get it for since last release
[05:13] <ScottL> it's madening
[05:14] <holstein> ScottL: not cool
[05:14] <ScottL> or maddening
[05:14] <ScottL> yeah
[05:14] <holstein> maybe we should get a graner on the case?
[05:14] <holstein> ask amber to get loud or something
[05:14] <ScottL> i'm going to update the request this week and make that same comment "i applied for access last release because we needed to update the website to people knew we had released, and now i STILL need access for the next release"
[05:15] <holstein> yeah, *this* release
[05:15] <ScottL> getting amber involved would be cool if she can poke somebody hard enough
[05:15] <holstein> ScottL: i'll mention it to her
[05:15] <holstein> see if she knows a string to pull or whatever
[05:15] <ScottL> heh, true "....STILL need access for the current release"
[05:16] <ScottL> holstein, but don't go half cocked...they sent me a pgp message but it was with an old pgp key i had and then i asked them to resend it
[05:16] <ScottL> they don't deserve holy hell, but really though, six months and i got one attempt and then nothing again ?
[05:17] <ScottL> sad thing is that luis had one on there that was years old and they cleared that one out when they sent me the one message
[05:17] <ScottL> okay, going to be...getting up in 6.5 hours :/
[05:18] <holstein> ScottL: i'll just mention it to amber
[05:18] <holstein> see what she says
[05:18] <holstein> i pinged her in our LUG channel
[05:19] <holstein> and said what was up
[05:19] <holstein> she'll probably catch it in the AM
[06:34] <Kokito> howdy
[11:34] <ckontros> off to work.
[14:45] <holstein> scott-work: question
[14:46] <holstein> i was listening to an interview on the ubuntu UK podcast
[14:46] <holstein> *i really that that podshow by the way
[14:46] <holstein> i was wondering if you would like to be interviewed?
[14:46] <holstein> if i could ask and make that happen
[14:47] <holstein> im trying to think of some awareness rasing easy things we can do
[14:47] <holstein> we were talking about ubuntustudio and XFCE a bit on the last OSMP show
[14:48] <holstein> and i mentioned getting you on there again
[14:48] <holstein> i was thinking that show and the ubuntu UK show
[14:48] <holstein> also, i want to catch jono sometime in a PM
[14:49] <scott-work> holstein: i'll make myself available to anyone if it helps ubuntu studio :)
[14:49] <holstein> and ask him to do ANYTHING in ubuntu
[14:49] <holstein> even it its just importing a final mix into audacity
[14:49] <holstein> and spitting it right back out
[14:49] <scott-work> holstein: lol
[14:49] <holstein> then, blog about having done somthing in ubuntustudio
[14:49] <scott-work> holstein:  yeah, that would rock as well...good publicity
[14:50] <holstein> it would be nice to have the higer-ups using these tools
[14:50] <holstein> guys like that
[14:50] <holstein> with such popular blogs
[14:50] <holstein> as of now, his blog implies that ubuntu is not appropriate for audio production
[14:50] <holstein> which sucks :/
[14:51] <holstein> wouldnt take much to change that on paper though
[14:51] <holstein> im still working on how to approach that
[14:51] <holstein> and not be pushy
[15:05] <scott-work> holstein: that is very true
[15:05] <scott-work> i wonder how much of his reasoning for using logic or pro tools or whatever is truly justified for objective reasons
[15:06] <scott-work> or how much is a subjective "this is what i like" sense
[15:06] <holstein> he and [lsd] got into it
[15:06] <holstein> i dont want to get into it at all
[15:06] <holstein> i just want him to help us
[15:06] <holstein> however that can happen
[15:22] <scott-work> holstein: yeah, that would be nice for him to help
[15:22] <scott-work> even if it was just some constructive criticism
[15:23] <scott-work> i tried to engage him in such a similar manner and he really shrugged it off
[15:23] <holstein> right
[15:23] <holstein> im not going to stop :)
[15:23] <holstein> i'll just bother him in the news channel
[15:23] <holstein> respectfully*
[15:23] <holstein> :)
[15:23] <scott-work> hehe :)
[15:24] <holstein> we need it
[15:24] <holstein> we need him talking about it
[15:24] <holstein> if he were here
[15:24] <holstein> talking about why he cant use the tools
[15:24] <holstein> he could plausibly stir up enough interest to fix the tools in question
[15:24] <holstein> *assuming they need to be fixed
[15:25] <holstein> its probably like anyone else
[15:25] <holstein> just UI
[15:25] <holstein> and being comfortable with other tools
[15:25] <holstein> which, like lsd said
[15:25] <holstein> is fine
[15:25] <holstein> just dont say we dont have the tools
[15:25] <holstein> thats ever worse
[15:25] <holstein> here's a guy recording and making music
[15:26] <holstein> specifically stating he needs to use tools other than FOSS
[15:26] <holstein> thats not cool*
[15:26] <holstein> he's going to have to take one for the team
[15:39] <scott-work> an interview would be cool to get him to explain why he doesn't like it ;)
[15:39] <scott-work> somewhere public
[15:40] <scott-work> it would be cool to do it in such a way that others could offer their opinions as well in real time, either to support his views or contrast them
[15:40] <scott-work> and having it public i would expect it to generate more interest and involvement
[15:40] <scott-work> especially with someone like jono
[15:43] <scott-work> i'm hoping this week to do a few things related to ocelot
[15:43] <scott-work> i'd like to make a planet ubuntu post about xfce
[15:43] <scott-work> but also maybe email a few places like linux outlaws and hopefully have them mention it in their podcast
[15:43] <scott-work> i'm thinking about asking kokito help with some PR since he mentioned something similar
[16:48] <holstein> scott-work: PING
[16:48] <holstein> 10:50 < akgraner> holstein, he needs to talk to Kate Stewart, Ubuntu Release Manger at Canonical - she is skaet on freenode
[18:00] <scott-work> holstein: thanks :)  i know skaet, we talk frequently towards the end of each release
[20:17] <holstein> scott-work: jono didnt have time for a PM
[20:17] <holstein> so i sent an email
[20:17] <holstein> i'll keep you posted :)
[20:18] <scott-work> holstein: i wish you luck with it :)
[20:18] <scott-work> holstein: i really hope he does take you up on the offer
[20:21] <holstein> i laid out a couple ideas
[20:21] <holstein> from, totally switching him to FOSS
[20:21] <holstein> and just talking about how awesome ubuntustudio is everynow and then
[20:21] <holstein> and linking to your blog or the site :)
[20:21] <holstein> if he'd just talk about it
[20:21] <holstein> that would be plenty
[20:38] <scott-work> holstein: i would really like him to offer some constructive criticism
[20:39] <scott-work> but i have another lead for that that i need to follow up on
[20:46] <scott-work> holstein: when you get your wiki page ready for membership and you need testimonials, let me know, i look forward to giving you one :)
[20:52] <holstein> scott-work: thanks
[20:52] <holstein> hopefully this month i'll get on my wiki
[22:36]  * ckontros waves
[22:43] <scott-work> cory, i'm almost through with my blog post...i mention:
[22:43] <scott-work> unity not conducive to work flow
[22:43] <scott-work> unity might not be stable
[22:44] <scott-work> 'classic' gnome desktop not shipping in 11.10
[22:44] <ckontros> Well, make sure you mention "our" intended workflow. Bot make it a blanket statement.
[22:44] <ckontros> *Dont
[22:44] <scott-work> gnome3/unity released meaning gnome-panel will suffer bit rot
[22:44] <scott-work> right
[22:45] <scott-work> i say the advantages are that i provides a familiar desktop expereince
[22:45] <ckontros> Keep it positive but just that we feel Unity and GNOME dont fit our direction. Or something to that effect.
[22:45] <scott-work> we would expect xfce to be more resource friendly
[22:45] <scott-work> and the chance for us to develop a working relation with xubuntu devs
[22:45] <ckontros> But dont mention things like "radical UI change" or anything as we intend to change a bit also.
[22:46] <scott-work> also that this might yield graphical installer and live dvd
[22:46] <ckontros> Sure sure. Sounds good.
[22:46] <scott-work> re: work flow...rereading i see that i said "typical Ubuntu Studio user's work flow"
[22:47] <scott-work> i'm about to leave soon, later after i get home and the kids settle i'll reread it fresh, edit, and post it
[22:49] <ckontros> ScottL: Sure. Get home, chill, do whatcha gotta. We'll get together later. Geek out a bit.
[22:50] <ckontros> I just got home my self. Gotts wind down. Eat. Ill try to sort this BZR issue.
[22:52] <ckontros> scott-work: I will say I'm missing Nautilus but this should work out great. I wanna make the transition ASAP so we can work out any bugs.
[22:56] <scott-work> ckontros:  i agree totatly about moving forward as quickly as possible to give us as much time as possible
[22:56] <scott-work> ckontros: hey, i can work on some milestone dates if no one else bites on the email
[22:56] <ckontros> I'm subbed to the xubuntu-devel list now. I'm gonna write something up about our intentions.
[22:56] <scott-work> i'm kinda disappointed that someone new to the team or even not on the team wants to help
[22:56] <scott-work> yeah, i should probably join that mailing list too
[22:57] <ckontros> scott-work: Sure sure. I dont wanna keep you. We'll chat tonight.
[22:57] <scott-work> oh, it's not about keeping me out...but i shoudl probably be aware on where their development is heading
[22:58] <ckontros> No. :) Re-read what I sait. :)
[22:58] <ckontros> *said
[22:58] <scott-work> lol :)  
[22:58]  * scott-work is heading home