[00:39] mister_m, honestly, i didn't know there was a difference in the two [00:51] differance of what KM0201 [00:52] zenrox, between xfce session and xubuntu session. [00:52] the xfce session seems to be running smoother than the xubuntu session [00:52] ya thares a differance [00:52] zenrox, didn't know that.. whats the difference? [00:52] i use the xbuntu its what it loads at login of xfce [00:53] xfce is just xfce apps [00:53] From what I could see, it was mainly menu(s). [00:53] and xfce apps with no gnome [00:53] xubuntu its menus,and gnome services [00:53] oh ok.. i don't reallyc are, i've honestly just never noticed it before [00:53] me neather [00:53] and the xubuntu isfine [00:54] If you want to see how good a job the xubuntu did on their release...comparte the xubuntu and xfce sessions menus :) [00:54] hmm [00:54] lol [00:54] i've got lubuntu running right now, wanted to give it a trial run, but imagine it might be a similar scenario [00:54] the xubuntu has more menu idems [00:55] zenrox: without re-booting it (so I may be wrong) but look at the settings menu especially [00:55] i like lxde NO UBUNTU SOFTWARE CENTER.. i hate that [00:55] KM0201: delee it [00:55] *delete [00:56] drc, i think your right but i am fine the way it is [00:56] its perfect [00:56] drc, i don't need t, its not on lxde..lol [00:56] not perfect...you can't drag and drop , just all to the panel :( [00:57] time to quit...fingers going...can only drag and drop APPS...sheesh [00:57] lol [00:59] I just used the xfce session in the first place, and I really dont know of the differences, but someone told me xubuntu had less weird bugs or something like that [00:59] If unity==bugs, then you are correct [01:00] rofl [01:00] unity = bug +2 [01:00] lol [01:01] I've heard unity is really buggy. [01:01] on reddit [01:01] that is pretty :( [01:01] unity suckes imho [01:01] I wonder if there is an xfce version of debian [01:01] it was nice to use but i wanted my normal menus like gnome has [01:01] mister_m: Not so much "buggy" now as "different", and some people equate something they don't like/understand as "bugs" [01:01] yesthare is [01:02] in debian you can install xfce [01:02] thay have it in there repos [01:02] drc, I could understand that [01:02] mister_m: yes, debian and linux mint debian edition-xfce [01:04] I'll look into unity more when I have some free time [01:05] mister_m: it does what it does well, keep an open mind about it...but make up your own mind, not what your read (usually mostly bad) [01:20] drc, I'm sitting in #xubuntu because I spent a good chunk of time trying Unity & Gnome 3.... both of them are brothers in a a family I have no intention of joining. I'm pretty sure I'll be sitting the Xubuntu camp for the foreseeable future. [01:21] I'm running xubuntu - natty narwhal and I have a problem with Skype [01:21] ...I might reconsider it if they port the GTK 2.x panels & desktop environment over to GTK 3.x (or fork GTK 2.x)... but I'm not holding my breath for either. [01:21] can someone help? [01:22] Seqis: Me too, but I just don't buy into the Unity==Spawn of Satan mythology [01:22] I installed from medibuntu [01:22] Seqis: IIRC, xfce 4.10 will be on gtk3...it's some where on the xfce roadmap [01:22] drc, lol ... well "spawn of satan" ... no.... but someone in Canonical & Gnome were sharing the same blunt of weed the month they came up with their similar, Fisher Price interfaces. [01:23] drc, it's not GTK 3.x that scares me... it's the current GTK 3.x default shell. [01:23] WhitePelican, why on earth did you install it from medibuntu? [01:23] not sure [01:23] where else should I have installed it from? [01:23] WhitePelican, you do realize that you could have simply downloaded the .deb from skype.com and installed it. [01:24] true [01:24] drc, they can move to GTK 3.x ... just keep the same shell (i.e. desktop environment) [01:24] :) [01:24] can I uninstall and then install from the deb? [01:24] hoold on [01:24] Seqis: Actually, Because of what their target audience is, I think Unity/GNOME Shell will be a short term loss but a long term win. [01:24] WhitePelican, run "sudo apt-get purge skype" [01:25] drc, maybe ... I think 4 year olds, the adults using tablets and smartphones will love it. [01:25] oh ok [01:25] ty KM0201 [01:25] then remove the medibuntu repo from your source list (that was dumb in itself) then go downoad the skype .deb file, and install it [01:26] I also added medibuntu for libdvdcss2 and the win32codecs [01:26] drc, if Xubuntu goes the way of the Unity-stylized DoDo ... I guess I'll be moving to hmm Debian + LXDE? I donno.... [01:27] unless you know of another way to install those [01:27] WhitePelican: You can install libdvdcss2 w/o medibuntu...see the restricted extras web page [01:27] let me find the URL [01:28] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/ [01:28] or [01:28] WhitePelican, again, totally unecessary both o those are in regular ubuntu repos. [01:29] I think you need medibuntu for vlc [01:29] KM0201: in the repos now...hmmm...didn't know that [01:29] drc, affirmative... ubuntu-restricted-extras [01:29] installs everything you need [01:29] Seqis: nope...I don't have medibuntu and I use vlc [01:29] or xubuntu-restricted-extras or lubuntu-restricted-extras, etc [01:29] ok... i wasn't sure... hence the "I think..." prefix... :) [01:30] Seqis, negative, vlc is in the standard repo [01:30] actually, libdvdcss2 is as well.. [01:30] you just have to run the installer on it.. (it's not installed by default) [01:30] There's only 1 medibuntu right, not one for Xubuntu, Kubuntu, etc.. [01:31] Seqis, yes, but my point was, there's ubuntu-restricted-extras, lubuntu-restricted-extras, kubuntu-restricted-extras, etc. [01:31] KM0201: I use the web page, because I ONLY install libdvdcss [01:31] Seqis, its for all ubuntu flavors [01:31] but they all essentially install the same packages [01:31] No medibuntu, no restricted extras [01:31] I thought so zenrox. Being new to Xubuntu, I wanted to cehck. [01:32] drc, you don't need medibuntu to install libdvdcss2 either [01:32] Really ;) [01:32] yes.. or am i missing something? [01:32] i've never used medibuntu, and install libdvdcss2 w/o issue. [01:33] KM0201: See the Joking Smilie ? [01:33] drc, i think i'm a little off in the head tonight. [01:33] lol [01:35] wait that's right, we don't have the gnome shell on xfce [01:35] really I upgraded, and the only thing that visibly changed was some menu stuff/programs, and my theme [01:39] if I had a fresh install of Xubuntu, and then booted into a live CD, mounted the installed /home/user path and copied over my ~/.config/xfce4 to the new install and rebooted, would I have all my panels and xfce preferences all pre-set as I had on my 1st box? [02:24] How do I make gnome-screensaver the default screensaver app instead of xscreensaver? [02:33] hmm [02:33] Hmm? [02:34] Anyone have a tips on getting dual monitor working with ATI default/open source driver on 11.04? The display manager (from settings) has options for dual monitor (though did bad job of it). Xubunuu display manager does not have any dual monitor options from what I can tell. I would think this would be included, as I know ATI open source driver supports. Thanks. [02:37] Sorry, was not clear: the display manager in Ubuntu 11.04 has dual monitor options (spanning across monitors), Xubuntu 11.04 does not (from what I can tell). [02:42] see like right now after the upgrade, I sometimes get stuck in a weird bug of me not being able to open or close programs from the panel [02:44] and it is also super slow getting a right click menu on the desktop\ [04:20] * WebDawg http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-laden-killed/story?id=13505703&page=2 [04:21] * KM0201 yells WOOT!!!!!!!! [04:35] hi, im new to xubuntu and i need some assistance? [04:36] ok [04:36] how can we assist you today? [04:36] woo woooooooooooo! [04:36] * bin_bash puts on professional gear [04:37] i installed xubuntu today [04:37] and its been working great [04:37] but occasionally, it seems to become unresponsive [04:37] the mouse shows a "fist" but i cant click anything and the keyboard does not work [04:38] i usually restart the computer by powering off to fix it [04:38] this is the xubuntu 11.04 [04:38] any idea what is wrong? [04:53] a7ended: first thing i would do.. is try disabling compositing.. just to see if thats causing the issue. [04:53] how do i do that? [04:53] .. [04:54] you would ask that..lol, and i'm not even using xfce anymore.. [04:54] bin_bash: are you around? [04:54] yah [04:54] tell him how to disable compositing, i can't remember [04:54] settings, settings mgr.. then i'm lost [04:54] window tweaks? [04:54] go to settings manager > winow manager tweaks > composition [04:55] i know its the last tab, no matter what its on [04:55] bin_bash: u gotta try lxde.. :) i <3 it [04:55] screenshotit [04:55] ok, i disabled it [04:55] what does compositing do? [04:56] a7ended: window shadowing, etc.. [04:56] http://imagebin.org/151254 bin_bash [04:56] oo [04:57] a7ended: i had some issues w/ it making my laptop hourglass on occasion, but it never completely locked up [04:57] KM0201: nice [04:58] thx guys, i''ll see if my computer still freezes [04:58] bin_bash: it's a little getting used to... one interesting hting... it doesn't use Pulse audio. [04:58] what does it use [04:58] a7ended: ok.. if that doesn't work.. then come back here during the day, adn ask some of the senior guys how to check your logs, etc [04:58] bin_bash: alsa [04:58] thank you [05:49] Where in the world do I find settings for the trackpad?!?! [06:12] hey, any thoughts what might be the problem; updgraded to natty and a game I could play flawlessly before (xmoto) lags quite a lot now [06:24] have you updated the graphic drivers? [07:32] lhi [07:33] #quit [07:35] Is it possible to set up a keyboard shortcut that takes me to the next desktop? [07:47] belak: you mean like ctrl + alt + arrow-right ? [07:47] Yeah [07:47] that one actually works [07:47] Didn't know that existed [07:47] you can also use the other arrows obviously [07:47] Anyway to change that? [07:48] depending on how you set up your desktops [07:48] you can also use ctrl + alt + 1...0 [07:48] to jump directly to desktop number X [07:48] not sure you can change the shortcut, let me have a quick look [07:49] belak: some of those shortcuts can be found in settings > window manager > keyboard [07:49] they can also be changed there [07:50] the one with the arrow keys doesn't seem to be listed there [07:50] so i assume it's a system default [07:50] not sure if/where you could change that [07:50] They're in there... [07:50] Thanks [07:50] oh, then i didn't look close enough :) [07:50] np [07:51] I've been using gentoo for ages... finally decided to try something easier to use and see if it doesn't eat up as much of my time... [08:05] hwo can i clear thunar's context menu? [08:23] Hi. I just installed the "StartUp Manager" from the Software Centre, but it doesn't seem to do anything :-( Does it not work with Grub2 ? [08:26] I have xubuntu and lubuntu (both 11.4) and want to switch the default boot around. [08:49] mikeatvillage: do you mean you want to select which to use (xubuntu desktop or lubuntu desktop)? [08:51] Yes please MK [08:51] Well, I want xubuntu as default [08:56] mikeatvillage: at the login screen, you select which one to use at the bottom of the screen [08:58] Yes, I can do that OK, but I want xubuntu to be the one which boots by default after the 10 sec timeout [09:01] you shouldn't choose in grub, you should have only one install and both desktops on it.. [09:02] but you can: gksudo mousepad /etc/default/grub [09:03] exept that i'm not sure if you can edit that sensibly eith two linux installs.. [09:07] yeah, did you install 2 separate installations on one hd? [09:08] I'm not sure about that either. Would what I see in /etc/default/grub not depend on which system I'd booted into? [09:09] Yes MK, I had xubuntu first and then put lubuntu into the frre space I'd left on the hdd [09:10] Oh. You do not need to do that. You can install the lubuntu desktop package inside xubuntu [09:10] and then when you get to the username/password screen you can select which desktop [09:10] If you haven't used the lubuntu installation yet I'd delete it [09:11] But I want the 2 to be completely separate [09:12] alright then. Then you'd edit grub I guess, but I do not know how to do this. [09:13] However that should be very easy, maybe as in #ubuntu [09:15] Editing grub was the way to do it in the past, but grub2 seems to be configured differently. I'm looking at a "Grub Customiser" on ubuntuguide.net at the moment ... I don't want to trash this system again as I've carried out at least 5 installations in the past couple of days :-)) [09:16] Thanks MK, I'll pop up to #ubuntu [09:25] good luck [09:27] you *could* get all your data from lubuntu, install lubuntu-desktop to your xubuntu, remove lubuntu, and install grub back from xubuntu [09:27] actually doing just the last step could do what you want [09:27] !grub2 [09:27] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) [09:28] restoring grub ^ [09:29] ahem.. i could tell all that better myself [09:30] boot to xubuntu and run "sudo grub-install --root-directory=/ /dev/sdX" [09:30] hello everyone [09:31] i was hopeing to find some help here [09:31] mikeatvillage: if uyou only got one hdd, /dev/sda [09:31] xubuntu741: pop a question and see if somebody knows [09:31] Sysi, ahem.. you could update the site then [09:32] knome: "for this case" [09:32] i downloaded the 64bit version of xubuntu 10.04, burned it on a cd but it won't boot. 32bit version of xubuntu 10.04 boots with no prob [09:33] also any other older 64bit versions can boot without a problem [09:34] i googled this prob but didn't found any solution. only one post saying it's motherboard related. gigabyte [09:34] does anyone know how to solve this? [09:34] does it say anything or just doesn't boot? [09:35] or where it stops? [09:35] it says invalid drive error or something like that [09:35] it acts like the cd isn't bootable [09:36] but i tested it on other computer and it works [09:39] Did you verify the disc image was correct before burning it? [09:40] Oh, you tested it on others. But nevertheless. [09:41] Actually I need to get going. I'm sure you'll get help! seeya [10:26] Hi, I have installed 11.04 with full disk encryption and kexec... When i reboot, using kexec, I do not get a "enter your passphrase to decrypt your sys." line, but it just looks like the system hangs... Tho it works just typing the passphrase and hitting enter... === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [13:46] Je vais voir ce que ça va donner. Je l'utilisais avant au travail. Je pense qu'il doit y avoir quelques améliorations [13:46] !fr [13:46] Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc. Merci. [13:47] Ok. Merci [13:47] Bye [13:47] good luck === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [16:39] hello [16:40] trying to install xubuntu 11.04 but I got the same error every time (something related to the Migration has failed... more details on syslog, etc). After rebooting I always get a grub prompt (file not found) [16:45] do you have windows on the computer? [17:45] can anyone tell me why the battery thingie on xfce isn't showing on my panel? [17:46] fslima0: did you add it? [17:48] I don't see it on the "Add new item" list [17:48] fslima0: it might be an indciator applet, now that i think about it. [17:49] iswitched to lxde, so i'm not 100% sure.. hang on [17:49] ok [17:49] hmm, no i don't see it [17:49] im sure its there [17:49] go to power management [17:50] probbaly under preferences or admin [17:50] look around through the optios, see if there's a box you can check to "always show battery indicator" or something like that [17:51] yea. that option is on, but it's still not showing anything [17:51] weird [17:51] do you have notification area on your panel [17:52] * KM0201 agrees [17:52] fslima0: do you see your networking applet? [17:52] i do [17:52] oh wait, thats indicator [17:52] nevermind [17:52] fslima0: try adding "notification area" to your panel [17:53] bbl [17:54] i just installed xubuntu 11.04 and i have everything as default [17:55] press alt F2 and type: nm-applet [17:55] fslima0: Settings Manager> Power Manager>General System tray icon [17:56] argh, not nm-applet [17:56] xfce4-power-manager [17:57] Set to Always Show icon...I should show in Notification Area. If it doesn't we can then start to work. [17:57] Sysi: doesn't work [17:57] and it does not show [17:58] fslima0: Do you a Notification Area in the panel? [17:58] yea [18:00] so *everything* is default, panel width etc? [18:01] pretty much [18:02] fslima0: Go to the power manager and make sure the "Monitor...." and "Show...." boxes at the bottom of General are checked [18:03] open terminal and run xfce4-power-manager there, see if it says something [18:03] drc: checked [18:03] Sysi: didn't say anything. lol [18:03] does not [18:03] fslima0: Strange [18:03] first boot after install? [18:03] this looks like a bug to me :) [18:04] no [18:04] it has never been there? [18:04] indeed [18:05] it's a netbook. if that helps [18:05] maybe i should check the panel length. [18:05] width, it maybe affects [18:05] fslima0: Does show in the notification area? [18:06] but just default should work if nothing goes wrong on installation [18:06] width not length [18:06] yea [18:06] ah i see [18:07] the icon is not showing. but i can still the battery stats. it's just invisible [18:07] fslima0: cahnge the icon set [18:08] hi, maybe somebody can help me with setting eth card speed? somehow it does not communicate with ftth switch by default [18:08] fslima0: get to settings of notification area, change maximum icon size [18:09] fslima0 Sysi : I have seen that, depending on the icon set chosen, some icons don't show in the notification area...and some disappear and reappear on a reboot...not sure why [18:10] with one gtk-theme, the most left item on systray was always invicible [18:11] Even to Kryptonite? [18:11] drc: if he has default icons, shouldn't be possible [18:11] Sysi: True [18:14] got it now. the size of the panel in px can't go lower than 24 otherwise battery icon won't show [18:14] that's bad because i have a netbook. [18:15] hello [18:15] fixed. haha [18:16] I have a ATI Radeon HD 2600 dedicated.. I just installed xubuntu 11.04, so is better install the driver with the "Install driver tool" or download the .run file from ATI ? [18:16] Josesordo: old card? [18:17] Sysi, well I have a ASUS laptop.. F3Ka series.. 2008 [18:18] Sysi, so.. is old I guess [18:18] if it doesn't work good enough by default, use "Install driver" tool [18:18] ok.. lets see then =) [18:18] another question.. I can install Compiz in XFCE? [18:19] s*** [18:19] with 11.04 it's broken, you can't get window borders [18:20] compiz in xfce.. bad bad idea :P [18:20] aw =( [18:20] fslima0: not even hashed cursewords please, you can fix that icon issue by settings the max icon size smaller in notification area settings [18:20] well, I can install some docky like gnome-do in XFCE? [18:20] yup [18:20] Sysi, which one?.. [18:21] install and run, you propably need compositing enabled from windoe manager settings [18:21] btw, Im just giving a try to XFCE.. this is my 1st time I installed it xD [18:21] any of them [18:21] so..to fix the windows border.. I just need to set the size to the max? [18:22] Sysi: where is the notification are settings? o.O [18:22] Josesordo: what? [18:22] fslima0: go to very end of screen where the icon should be, and right click [18:22] fslima0: not directly on it, but on the edge [18:23] Josesordo: you mean with compiz? [18:23] Sysi, I asked that..cuz you said you cant get windows border [18:23] Sysi, yeah..compiz.. sorry english isnt my main language.. xD [18:23] emerald is broken and apparently other possible alternatives too [18:24] metacity ? xD [18:24] i should examine this.. they have window borders with unity [18:25] but installing unity after xfce failed for me, and i don't actually like compiz [18:26] I just want my desktop beautiful.. lol [18:26] xubuntu is beautiful already by default :P [18:27] well, then I will install the ATI driver from "Install driver tool" then.. after, I will try compiz and gnome-do [18:27] when compiz fails, alt F2 "xfwm4 --replace" [18:27] there is something I dont like right now.. the icons in my desktop.. how I remove then? [18:29] desktop settings or delete [18:30] Sysi, this gmusicbrowser have a broken equalizer..I cant set anything =( [18:32] personally i prefer banshee [18:36] mm.. well, all I want is a music player with good equalizer.. xD [18:37] banshee actually has one, but i haven't even tried it [18:46] Damn gmusicbrowser making my laptop slow adding music.. xD [18:51] hi i was just trying to install xubuntu from a disk that i burned onto an old dell inspiron 8500 and after choosing the option to install xubuntu it is hanging on a xubuntu logo screen for about 3 mins [18:51] how much longr should i wait? [18:52] is it going properly? [18:53] help? [18:54] that does not sound right, the screen responded pretty quickly when I installed it [18:54] not sure what would cause it though, still new to the Xubuntu world [18:54] it is an old computer and i just burned the cd [18:55] it is just on a black screen with a small xubuntu logo on it [18:55] how much RAM? [18:55] it has 512mb ram [18:55] zorack, mine hung at the logo for about 7 or 8 minutes before it loaded from live cd [18:55] ok thx [18:55] I have 1 Gig of ram. [18:56] ill go downstairs and check its been a few minutes... [18:57] ok its prbly been about 10 mins now and its still on tht screen... [18:59] zorack, what are the specs on the machine? [18:59] I want to see how it compares to mine. [19:00] 1sec im checking [19:01] 2.4ghz pentium cpu, 512mb ram, 40gb hdd [19:04] It doesn't seem to match up with mine. 2.2 GHz AMD 64, 1 Gig ram, and 120 GB hdd. [19:04] It was just an idea I had that similar hardware produced similar results. [19:05] oh [19:06] In either case, the hardware should be easily capable of loading the disk. [19:06] I didn't have the issue until after the second beta so it ws probably a change then. [19:08] Unfortunately I didn't have the chance to test it betwen then and now so I couldn't report it. [19:24] hey guys [19:24] i have problems with Ubuntu since upgrade to 11.04 [19:24] had ubuntu 10.10 x86 before [19:24] and now i see the error with plymouthd [19:25] cannot boot , it stops on checking battery state [19:25] what can i do? [19:25] reinstall? [19:27] BlackScorp, I generally recommend fresh installs instead of upgrades. [19:27] yeah same for me... but this time i didnt watched at upgrade [19:27] just thought it is general updates [19:28] Xfce got a major version update and now uses different backend components. [19:28] there isnt a way to downgrade it? [19:31] hello all :D [19:32] a question, I can install gnome-do or some other dock app?.. which one is better for XFCE? [19:35] I would assume gnome-do would work just fine. Has anyone tested this? [19:39] Im installing it.. lets see [19:43] mm.. gnome-do in xubuntu dont have the docky behaviour =( [20:04] Josesordo: what does the dock do? [20:04] only show active windows or something? [20:07] is xubuntu 11.04 using pulseaudio? i installed xubuntu-desktop from ubuntu, so i don't believe i have a stock install [20:08] by default it is there, like in ubuntu [20:09] is pulse required for the sound menu or can i replace it with alsa? [20:10] i think you can replace it [20:10] thanks [20:11] remove and reboot [20:14] KM0201, well dont have the docky style.. =( [20:14] anyways, I just installed cairo-clock and Im starting to like it =) [20:15] well.. whats the "docky style" [20:17] also a xfce panel is two millions time superior to any docking software out there [20:28] Souperman: not really, but it's ok [20:28] I wish it didn't restart in natty when I try to drag windows between workspaces [21:02]