[01:30] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ping
[01:33] <ScottK> debfx: grab-merge pkg-kde-tools works.
[01:34] <DarkwingDuck> I hate this track system... just lemme search keywords. :P
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> Uggh
[02:15] <dantti_> funny how qsharedpointer can make some stuff slower... apper is much faster with pk-qt2 which doesn't use it..
[02:19] <DarkwingDuck> Has the personal participation schedule ever worked on the UDS schedule page?
[02:19] <DarkwingDuck> To download the ical
[03:41]  * ScottK prods maco about the installer spec.
[03:41] <ScottK> rbelem: How's that mobile spec coming?
[03:43] <valorie> DarkwingDuck: if you recall though, the timeslots change like once per hour
[03:43] <valorie> so it doesn't do much good to dl the ical
[04:04] <ybit> hey guys... i've made a video on kde, it's filled with stuff i think would help improve kde
[04:04] <ybit> the kubuntu experience
[04:04] <ybit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7x_ea5eojM
[04:05] <ybit> just uploaded it
[04:07] <valorie> fffffffff -- still no flash for youtube
[04:08] <ScottK> ybit: We need code, not videos.
[04:08] <ScottK> FWIW, for all my kvetching about rekonq, I was glad to have it last night.
[04:09] <ybit> ScottK: heh, you're right
[04:09] <ScottK> I went through chromium, firefox, and then to rekonq before I found a browser that would give me sound for Obama's speech.
[04:20] <valorie> none works for flash for me
[04:20] <valorie> didn't try konq
[04:20] <valorie> yet
[04:22] <ScottK> rbelem: Are you going to make a new file sharing spec and do we need a session at UDS to discuss it?
[05:04] <c2tarun> can anyone please suggest me a good softphone application for kubuntu?
[06:29] <ybit> c2tarun: er
[06:29] <c2tarun> ybit: ??
[06:30] <ybit> there are two that i can recall
[06:30] <ybit> but can't remember the names of them :)
[06:31] <ybit> twinkle
[06:31] <ybit> and something else
[06:31] <c2tarun> ybit: I got that :) twinkle worked fine for kubuntu :) thanks
[06:32] <ybit> qutecom
[06:32] <ybit> and i used linphone when i needed video about 2 years ago :)
[06:33] <ybit> most people use skype 
[06:33] <ybit> or google talk
[06:43] <ybit> aaah
[06:43] <ybit> earlier when i complained about the kde start menu icon... i know exactly what it should be now
[06:43] <ybit> that nice icon on kubuntu.org
[08:06] <bambee> morning
[08:10] <valorie> ybit, then we wouldn't have our lil KDE button anymore!
[08:10] <valorie> I would miss it
[08:17] <yofel> morning
[08:29] <Riddell> ninjas: is 4.6.3 going to be packaged for maverick?
[08:38] <yofel> well, we still don't have kdeedu and kdeplasma-addons to package for natty/oneiric so that wasn't really a question yet. Although I think it would be nice to backport it, but only if we can get 4.6.3 into natty-updates so we don't break upgrades again
[08:42] <Riddell> yofel: are you able to review and commit to bzr the 4.6.3 packaging done by c2tarun?
[08:43] <yofel> sure, can do that now, I don't know how much for now since I'm sitting in the train right now
[08:43] <Riddell> wobbly train wifi
[08:44] <yofel> nope, 3G  over my n900 :P
[08:44] <yofel> even wobblier
[08:44] <Riddell> a volunteer is needed for kde-l10n too, I can supply ec2 machine if needed
[08:49]  * Riddell wonders if bambee will volunteer :)
[08:50] <bambee> Riddell: sure. I can package it this evening. (I am at work)
[08:50] <bambee> it's okay ?
[08:50] <yofel> well, c2tarun volunteered, but someone needs to merge the packaging branch update 
[08:51] <yofel> since kde-l10n requires comitting
[08:52] <Riddell> I wonder if it's safe to add him to kubuntu-packagers
[08:52] <Riddell> I'm not convinced he understands the whole packaging process though
[08:54] <yofel> nope, I would prefer him at least to learn how to do proper merge requests before that
[08:55] <yofel> (and I hope he's read the debian-policy by now)
[08:56] <bambee> what is merge ? (merges.ubuntu.com) 
[08:56] <Riddell> I'm worried he's not checking for new files when packaging
[08:56] <Riddell> bambee: ah hah, that is the most exciting thing one can do, you'll love it :)
[08:57] <Riddell> bambee: at the start of the cycle we merge back all our packaging with debian
[08:57] <bambee> :)
[08:57] <bambee> Riddell: ohh
[08:57] <Riddell> so you take the debian package, work out what changes there have been in ubuntu since the last debian merge
[08:57] <Riddell> decide which need to be kept
[08:58] <Riddell> put those changes into the debian package, test, check, and upload
[08:58] <Riddell> probably best to start off with one of the simpler universe packages if you're starting it https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[09:01] <bambee> mhhh interesting...
[09:02] <bambee> Riddell: we have accesses to debian archives, for that ?
[09:04] <Riddell> yes, they're on the secret server that is git.debian.org
[09:05] <Riddell> for the main KDE SC modules anyway
[09:05] <bambee> ok
[09:05] <Riddell> lesser known packages you can just get from packages.debian.org
[09:06] <bambee> JontheEchidna: ping. you need to ask the kdeadmin maintainer (or ask on the kdeadmin ML)  if you want userconfig on upstream. (because you're the upstream developer)
[09:06] <bambee> you or yuriy
[09:06] <Riddell> bambee: I expect both JontheEchidna and yuriy would be happy for you to take over as the upstream developer and propose it yourself
[09:06] <bambee> I cannot do it myself since I am not the upstream dev, I am just a contributor for now :)
[09:07] <Riddell> bambee: userconfig has a section on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O, do we need to register a spec for it
[09:07] <bambee> Riddell: I already proposed it myself, yesterday evening. I said that I was not the upstream dev :\
[09:07] <bambee> (on #kde-devel)
[09:09] <Riddell> bambee: just because pinotree says it on #kde-devel doesn't make it true :)
[09:09] <bambee> ahhh... I don't know :)
[09:09] <bambee> well
[09:09] <Riddell> bambee: I'm pretty sure there is no kdeadmin mailing list
[09:10] <Riddell> and didn't you say you had e-mailed the module maintainer and couldn't get through to him?
[09:10] <bambee> apparently not, at least I did not find a ML...
[09:10] <bambee> Riddell: right. apparently his email does not exist anymore
[09:11] <Riddell> so it's unmaintained, free for all! :)
[09:11] <bambee> Riddell: have a look at trunk/KDE/kdeadmin/AUTHORS
[09:11] <Riddell> that file is 6 years old, bero is not the maintainer
[09:11] <bambee> OMG. you're right o_O
[09:11]  * apachelogger has no laptop anymore
[09:11]  * bambee hugs apachelogger
[09:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: also the performance issues with kwin and my netbook either were related to blur or oxygen
[09:12] <Riddell> bambee: I recommend you e-mail the main authors of the 5 programmes in kdeadmin (one of whom is me!) along with kde-core-devel to propose that userconfig replaces kuser
[09:13] <Riddell> bambee: I predict that will come to no resistance, however KDE is in feature freeze so it can't go in for 4.7
[09:13] <Riddell> but it can go into kdereview
[09:13] <bambee> I agree, looks a good idea
[09:13] <Riddell> bambee: then one day you can quietly update the AUTHORS file and put yourself in there and be king of kdeadmin!
[09:13] <bambee> Riddell: so it will go in for 4.8 ;)
[09:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you install visual studio on it?
[09:15] <yofel> apachelogger: just blur? for me it's not only blur (intel)
[09:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: on the laptop, yes, now microsoft has taken it away from me :(
[09:15] <bambee> Riddell: firstly I will propose userconfig via emails and on ML. then I need to ask for a svn account
[09:15] <apachelogger> or rather dell
[09:15] <apachelogger> ^^
[09:15] <apachelogger> yofel: blur certainly had the biggest impact
[09:16] <bambee> (if it's accepted...)
[09:16] <apachelogger> yofel: though I then went on and removed everything I did not need
[09:16] <yofel> true, but for me I had to remove all 5 effects that don't work with xrender so opengl was usable again
[09:17] <yofel> the newer intel driver from edgers didn't help though, maybe I'll add whole edgers to my other test system
[09:21] <yofel> well, bbl
[09:23] <Riddell> bambee: so is a spec needed for userconfig at UDS?
[09:25] <bambee> Riddell: write a kauth helper (in cpp probably) , the dbus helper works but the kauth framework is faster and easier imho (and designed for that!). Also finish the ldap backend...
[09:25] <bambee> (we could write the helper in cpp and keep the rest in python)
[09:26] <Riddell> bambee: so that's a yes?
[09:26] <bambee> yes
[09:26] <bambee> Riddell: that's a yes
[09:28] <bambee> 3 specs:  1) propose it to upstream, 2) use kauth, 3) finish the ldap backend
[09:28] <Riddell> that can all be covered in one spec easily enough
[09:28] <Riddell> voila https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-userconfig
[09:29] <bambee> lovely :D
[09:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: does kubuntu council need a whole spec?  can it not just be covered by community?
[09:31] <apachelogger> that you will have to ask ScottK, though I personally believe that we should not spec such large piles of related stuff at all
[09:31] <apachelogger> it sorta takes away focus and whatnot
[09:32] <bambee> Riddell: I need to wait the approval to send an email to the ML ?
[09:33] <Riddell> bambee: approval of what?
[09:34] <bambee> Riddell: approval of the spec
[09:35] <bambee> there is a field "direction: Needs approval", for this spec. that's why I am asking this question :P
[09:36] <bambee> (I don't know how the whole process works... so I am a bit confused)
[09:36] <bambee> feel free to blame me if my question is stupid :D
[09:38] <apachelogger> bambee: no one really knows how it works because launchpad never ever heared of user experience or help :P
[09:39] <Riddell> bambee: we discuss the spec at UDS, come up with a todo list, then kubuntu-council can approve that
[09:40] <bambee> Riddell: ok
[09:40] <bambee> apachelogger: even lord users ? :P
[09:41] <apachelogger> they dunno anything
[09:41] <apachelogger> the whole point of being what they are really
[09:46] <apachelogger> bambee, ScottK: one of the many reasons why cpp  is supreme http://pastebin.com/mqb8aaHF
[09:48] <bambee> apachelogger: I already know that cpp is supreme :)
[09:48] <bambee> apachelogger: and ? it's just a backtrace :)
[09:49] <apachelogger> it is a backtrace of something that would not ever happen in a compile time type complete language
[09:49] <apachelogger> and currently prevents a user to manage printers at all
[09:50] <apachelogger> surely he appreciates the fact that developing the software required 10% less time but has a 100% greater risk of PITA issues
[09:58] <Riddell> afiestas: you'll be pleased to know I set you as drafter of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-installer :)
[09:59] <apachelogger> "Wired and wireless Internet is available; there is no need for a username, account number or password."
[09:59] <apachelogger> win
[10:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^^^ it is european luxury
[10:00] <yofel> grat, profs sick
[10:00]  * yofel goes back reviewing packaging
[10:02] <afiestas> Riddell: iirc I'll have to make a wiki page explaining the idea, right?
[10:03] <apachelogger> come to think of it, who wants to be my roomie?
[10:04] <yofel> my wishes for ubiquity-o: get the partitioner the possibility to add custom mount options and add a 'are you sure' dialog to the 'install now' button on the partitioning page
[10:05] <Riddell> afiestas: we don't tend to do that now, it's just a todo list that comes out of it
[10:08] <yofel> hm... these *should* be in kdebase-runtime-dev right? http://paste.kde.org/48871/
[10:09] <yofel> hm, no, that doesn't even exist
[10:10] <apachelogger> agateau: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-menubar/+bug/701527 if you could take a look at this please :)
[10:15] <yofel> hm, why do I see stuff from not-installed in --list-missing o.O
[10:20] <apachelogger> yofel: those are 2 different systems
[10:20] <apachelogger> --list-missing is utter shit, which is why the other foobar was created
[10:20] <apachelogger> which reminds me that I need to port the other foobar to dh7
[10:20] <Riddell> yofel: indeed no, see debian/not-installed
[10:20] <afiestas> Riddell: ookz
[10:21] <debfx> yofel: you'd have to pass all those files with -X to dh_install
[10:21] <yofel> yeah, but the stuff in the pastbin I just posted is in not-installed, so what does --list-missing show me that... grrr
[10:22] <apachelogger> yofel: cause it does not use not-installed
[10:22] <apachelogger> the cdbs list-missing does
[10:22] <debfx> afaik the new dhmk build system has a list-missing target (like cdbs)
[10:22] <apachelogger> saves me the porting then I guess
[10:23] <yofel> ah, great..
[10:23] <debfx> ScottK: I'm sure it works but I'd like to have a branch which contains the history of debian and ubuntu commits
[10:27] <yofel> debfx: do you remember if the kubuntu_123_effectframe_glflush.diff you added to kdebase-workspace is in 4.6.3 ? (the nvidia flip switch patch)
[10:29]  * yofel goes fixing the other things c2tarun dropped there by mistake
[10:30] <yofel> which reminds me we need to update the Vcs entries in bzr
[10:30] <debfx> yofel: should be, I grabbed it from the 4.6 branch
[10:33] <apachelogger> Nightrose: no one wants to be my roomie at UDS, apparently shadeslayer told everyone that I only go to bed at 3 and then hack till 4 :(
[10:33] <yofel> yep, it is
[10:33] <Nightrose> apachelogger: -.-
[10:33] <Nightrose> mean
[10:33] <apachelogger> yeah
[10:33] <apachelogger> maybe ScottK wants to be my roomie, he also goes to bed at 3 :P
[10:34]  * apachelogger just noticed that it is like 4 minutes from the train station to the hotel \\o/
[10:35] <jussi> haha
[10:35] <bambee> Riddell: check your inbox. did you receive something ? apparently the email failed... but I am not sure :\
[10:35] <jussi> apachelogger: I put down that I'd nbe fine sharing a room with you ;)
[10:36] <jussi> and where is shadeslayer? havent seen him for a few days :D
[10:36] <apachelogger> he is "busy" I suppose :P
[10:36] <apachelogger> jussi: will you hold my hair while I throw up at 4am?
[10:36] <Riddell> bambee: I got a Subject: Userconfig e-mail
[10:36] <jussi> apachelogger: of course :P
[10:36] <apachelogger> jussi: deal
[10:37] <Riddell> bambee: I assume one of the people you are sending it to no longer exists
[10:37] <jussi> oooh!! 
[10:37] <jussi> * Hotel facilities:*
[10:37] <jussi> Gym and Spa are complimentary
[10:37] <bambee> Riddell: ok thanks. yes apparently l.d.anderson cannot be contacted
[10:38] <Riddell> jussi: any sauna?
[10:38] <jussi> Riddell: I dint note one... but lets see
[10:38] <jussi> the one in florida was rubbish tho
[10:39] <apachelogger> all good .prn movies start in a sauna
[10:39] <jussi> apachelogger: !!!
[10:40] <apachelogger> whut?
[10:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think you just insulted his Finish culture
[10:42]  * jussi huggles Riddell
[10:42] <apachelogger> well, I did not produce them movies
[10:42] <apachelogger> I just pointed out a fact
[10:44]  * apachelogger wonders what to enter as company at he uds regsitration page
[10:45] <apachelogger> "Holy Church of Java"
[10:49] <apachelogger> jussi: now that you are insulted, do I need a new roomie? :S
[10:50] <jussi> no :P
[10:50] <jussi> apachelogger: dont worry, Ill just accidentally spill a bucket of water on you at like 6am... :P 
[10:50] <apachelogger> dude
[10:50] <apachelogger> at 6am we are well awake
[10:51] <jussi> rofl
[10:52] <apachelogger> roomie schedule: 5am shower, 6am gym, 7am tanning, 8am laundry, 8:45am breakfast, 9am borign stuff, then cofee, then more boring stuf, then lunch, then even more boring stuff, then coffee, then sleep, then dinner, then out dancing, 3am bed time, 4am sleep time
[10:52] <apachelogger> surprisingly enough that whole schedule is built around GTL :P
[10:52] <Riddell> GTL?
[10:52] <Riddell> (not sure I want to know)
[10:52] <apachelogger> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GTL
[10:53] <apachelogger> it is so ludicrous it made me cry ^^
[10:53] <yofel> *sigh*, if the ubuntu folks put something like "Updated gdm.conf to fix gdm in single user mode (LP: #436936)" when fixing kdm.conf then I wonder if it was a good idea to give them commit rights...
[10:53] <Riddell> yofel: that bug is for both gdm and kdm no?
[10:54] <apachelogger> yofel: complain to person who made the change and ubuntu-devel and kubuntu-devel :P
[10:54] <apachelogger> make them feel bad muhahaha
[10:54] <yofel> I didn't look at the bug, I just see that the diff for kdebase-workspace r495 have a modified kdm.conf and that changelog entry
[10:54] <yofel> *has a 
[10:55] <yofel> true, it's against both
[10:56] <apachelogger> doesnt make the changelog entry more meaningful
[10:56] <yofel> right..
[11:03] <arpan> apachelogger, Riddell: on kubuntu download page, mobile technology preview link redirects to 10.10 images.
[11:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[11:03]  * apachelogger also still does not have an account :P
[11:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: an account where?
[11:14] <apachelogger> kubuntu.org
[11:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: we can fix that easily :)
[11:15] <Riddell> arpan: apachelogger will sort it for you :)
[11:22] <arpan> Riddell: thanks :)
[11:43] <Riddell> ah, rickspencer3, can you approve specs?
[11:44] <rickspencer3> Riddell, tbh, I'm not certain :/
[11:44] <rickspencer3> if you paste me a link, I can try
[11:45] <Riddell> rickspencer3: all the ones here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O
[11:45] <Riddell> some are already approved
[11:50] <rickspencer3> Riddell, I think they are all accepted now
[11:51] <yofel> maco: where did you get the pykdeuic4 patch from for kdebindings?
[11:53] <yofel> it changes 3 lines, one of those changes is in 4.6.3 now, the other 2 not, can you check if we need them?
[11:55] <yofel> (c2tarun dropped the patch unintentionally, so you'll need to get it from bzr)
[11:58] <yofel> bbl
[12:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: Turning off blur seems to give me reasonable performance.  I gather mgraesslin gave up on capability detection.
[12:13] <ScottK> Riddell and apachelogger: IIRC we've had a spec for it in the past.  It's scheduled late in the week, so if we don't need it for that, I'm sure something else will come up.
[12:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I can approve specs (I figured you'd have other things to do, so I arranged for the power).
[12:19] <Riddell> ScottK: the next question I have is how to schedule them
[12:19] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm workingon that now (I can also do that).
[12:19] <Riddell> ooh lovely
[12:35] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Please don't mark yourself essential for specs at a UDS you aren't coming to.  It confuses the scheduler.
[12:39] <sheytan> Hey, just an idea
[12:40] <sheytan> instead of hardly coded plasma UI for netbook/desktop, add a step to the installer where user chooses which one to be default
[12:40] <sheytan> add simple description and a screenshot
[12:40] <sheytan> would be better imho :)
[12:46] <ScottK> sheytan: Since it's trivially changeable after install, I don't think we should ask a question.
[12:46] <ScottK> I think all the specs are scheduled in a reasonable way at the moment.
[12:47] <sheytan> ScottK sure it is, but begginers don't know about it :)
[12:48] <ScottK> sheytan: I think the installer is not the place for education.
[12:50] <sheytan> ScottK you will not teach users there, you will give  them a possibility to choose the right desktop before they start using kubuntu
[12:50] <Riddell> how would they know the right one before trying?
[12:50] <ScottK> First run choosing is, unfortunately, not something upstream supports.
[12:51] <ScottK> It makes it a bit problematic for us poor distro people.
[12:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, martin's time is definitely better used producing awesome rather than working around broken software that tries to prevent awesome
[12:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think we're in hardware limitations on the netbooks.
[12:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: about shadeslayer being essential... apparently someone suggested that remote participants need to do that or something
[12:52] <ScottK> Sigh.
[12:52] <apachelogger> valorie did the same thing yesterday and told me someone suggested that
[12:52] <ScottK> Who did suggested it?
[12:52] <apachelogger> dunno
[12:52] <apachelogger> valorie: ^
[12:53] <ScottK> Fortunately it's fixable.  You just subscribe them again as not essential.
[12:54] <apachelogger> *nod*
[12:54] <apachelogger> IMHO the essentiallity should be explained
[12:55] <apachelogger> as in: "this will tell a scheduler that it should not ahve sessions overlap where you are marked essential"
[12:55] <apachelogger> or something
[12:55]  * apachelogger wonders if the phonon is the memleaking
[12:57] <ScottK> Well, it's actually "Don't schedule when you are not available" and "Not attending" is not available.
[12:57] <Quintasan> \o
[12:57] <ScottK> Hey Quintasan.
[12:57] <ScottK> I've been subscribing you to specs too.
[12:57] <Quintasan> Great.
[12:57] <Quintasan> I will try to read up on stuff
[12:57] <Quintasan> I can't figure out what's going on with my connection
[13:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: when are you the arriving in the land of spas?
[13:01] <Quintasan> 8th at approx. 11:00
[13:01] <Quintasan> And you?
[13:02] <apachelogger> 11am? :O
[13:02]  * apachelogger has train options at around 1500 and around 1700
[13:02] <apachelogger> though I suppose there are earlier ones
[13:02] <apachelogger> yet for those I would have to get up before 9 -> not gonna happen
[13:03] <ScottK> Would someone please merge avogadro.  There's a backports request for 1.0.3.
[13:03] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well, that's what the ticket says
[13:03] <Quintasan> departure at 9:35, arrival at 11:10
[13:03] <Quintasan> Guees I will be in the hotel at about 12
[13:03] <apachelogger> unlikely
[13:04] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Why? Shuttlebus takes about 50 minutes to arrive
[13:04] <apachelogger> yes
[13:04] <apachelogger> + getting out the aiport
[13:04] <apachelogger> + actually getting a shuttle :P
[13:04] <Quintasan> 13:37 then
[13:04] <apachelogger> roger that
[13:04] <apachelogger> and then?
[13:05] <Quintasan> and then what? I will be playing games as UDS kicks off at Monday, doesnt it?
[13:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: want me to bring two stepmania mats?
[13:05] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:05] <apachelogger> games
[13:05]  * apachelogger wonders if Quintasan is allowed to drink the alcohols in the land of spas and monopoly money
[13:06] <Quintasan> I'm 18
[13:06] <Quintasan> So I guess I can
[13:06] <apachelogger> oh my
[13:06] <apachelogger> if you are drunk by the time I arrive you get a beatin'
[13:06] <Quintasan> If you are drunk when you arrive there you get a beatin' too
[13:06] <Quintasan> :>
[13:06] <apachelogger> dude
[13:06] <apachelogger> I am in a train for like 5 hours
[13:06] <apachelogger> what else is there to do
[13:07] <apachelogger> ....
[13:07] <Quintasan> hm?
[13:07] <Quintasan> dude, I will be playing stepmania, I can drink either water or beer
[13:07] <bambee> apachelogger: watch a serie ?
[13:07] <bambee> apachelogger: programming ? :P
[13:07] <apachelogger> le boring
[13:07] <apachelogger> besides
[13:07] <Quintasan> >apachelogger: 
[13:07] <Quintasan> >programming
[13:07] <bambee> or just sleep :)
[13:07] <apachelogger> since I dont have a laptop anymore
[13:07] <Quintasan> does not compute in a train
[13:07] <apachelogger> ....
[13:08] <apachelogger> and intel graphics is le suck
[13:08] <Quintasan> LOL?
[13:08] <bambee> arrrf... you haven't a laptop... I forgot that... :\
[13:08] <apachelogger> I do not believe I coudl do watching nor programming
[13:08]  * Quintasan borrowed a laptop from his brother
[13:08] <Quintasan> I ain't buying a one just for UDS
[13:08] <Quintasan> -a
[13:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: dont forget DS
[13:08] <Quintasan> DS?
[13:09] <apachelogger> nintendo desktop summit
[13:09] <Quintasan> lol
[13:09] <apachelogger> in the land of bratwurst and bretzn
[13:09] <Quintasan> I ain't got one
[13:09] <apachelogger> and sauerkraut
[13:09] <apachelogger> Quintasan: why not?
[13:09] <apachelogger> how is that?
[13:09] <apachelogger> isn't it like around the corner for you?
[13:09] <Quintasan> Cause I'm a poor high school student?
[13:09] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so? KDE doesnt wanna pay?
[13:10] <Quintasan> What the hell are you talking about now? @_
[13:10] <Quintasan> @_@
[13:10]  * Quintasan got lost all of sudden
[13:10] <apachelogger> Quintasan: about the desktop summit in berlin in early august
[13:10] <Quintasan> oh I see
[13:11] <Quintasan> duuno, we will see
[13:11] <Quintasan> I'm a poor high school student, I can't go EVERYWHERE
[13:11] <apachelogger> I see that I did not yet ask for money back for fosdem
[13:11] <apachelogger> no wonder I am broke all the time
[13:12] <apachelogger> Quintasan: it is not everywhere...
[13:12] <apachelogger> everywhere would be if you went to kde.in and camp kde in SF and fosdem and whatnot
[13:12] <Quintasan> Land of Bratwurst is the last country I want to go to
[13:12] <apachelogger> dont forget the sauerkraut!
[13:12] <Quintasan> UDS IN JAPAN
[13:13] <apachelogger> blimey
[13:13] <apachelogger> that would be one long flight
[13:13] <Quintasan> nah, Japan++
[13:13] <Quintasan> 1Gbps internetz
[13:13]  * apachelogger would have a broken liver by the time of arrival
[13:13] <Quintasan> imagine the transferz
[13:13] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yeah, that does not help if all the important serverz are like on the other side of the globe :P
[13:13] <apachelogger> surely launchpad is even more slow in japan
[13:14]  * apachelogger is scared just thinking about it
[13:14] <Quintasan> Launchpad is slow no matter where you go
[13:15] <ScottK> But there are various values of slow.
[13:15] <apachelogger> yeah, but if the singalz need to travel all through the earth core it would be even slowerererer
[13:15] <ScottK> I do think it's fair to say it's less slow now than it used to be though.
[13:15] <apachelogger> it would be like microsoft.com
[13:15] <Quintasan> ScottK: It's no like it can get worse than 500 error
[13:16] <apachelogger> Quintasan has a point there
[13:16] <Quintasan> not like*
[13:16] <apachelogger> like wiki.ubuntu.com is slow, incidentially it also 500's a lot
[13:16] <ScottK> Well, I never claimed it wasn't slow, but LP is not w.u.c slow.
[13:16] <Quintasan> Wiki is uber slowest
[13:17] <apachelogger> *nod*
[13:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: what the hell is sauerkraut anyways?
[13:17] <apachelogger> so, wuc is failing slow and lp is slow
[13:17] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ask the wik0pedia
[13:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: wp sauerkraut
[13:17] <kubotu> Results for sauerkraut: 1. Sauerkraut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauerkraut | 2. Sauerkraut Days - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauerkraut_Days | 3. File:Schupfnudeln mit Sauerkraut.jpg - Wikipedia, the free ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Schupfnudeln_mit_Sauerkraut.jpg
[13:17] <kubotu> [1] Sauerkraut (pronounced /ˈsaʊərkraʊt/ in English; German pronunciation: [ˈzaʊ.ɐkʁaʊt]  ( listen), Yiddish pronunciation: [ˈzɔi̯.əʀkʀɔi̯t]), directly translated from German: "sour herb" or "sour cabbage", is finely shredded cabbage that has been fermented by various lactic acid bacteria, including Leuconostoc, Lactobacillus, and Pediococcus.[1][2] It has a long shelf-life and a distinctive sour fl...
[13:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger: downloadan Kubuntu Natty to install on mah laptops
[13:18] <apachelogger> it is not your laptops!
[13:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hmm, is it tasty?
[13:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger: mine for the time being
[13:18] <apachelogger> looksy
[13:18] <apachelogger> you even haz it in poland
[13:19] <Quintasan> u kidding me?
[13:19] <apachelogger> the wackopedia sez so
[13:19] <apachelogger> Polish Sauerkraut (Kiszona kapusta)
[13:19] <Quintasan> OH GOD
[13:20]  * yofel wonders why he bothered going to uni today, very unproductive day..
[13:20] <Quintasan> Kiszona kapusta is full of awesome
[13:20] <apachelogger> oh it is raining again *sing*
[13:20] <yofel> anyway... Quintasan: do don't knows ze sauerkraut??
[13:20] <apachelogger> yofel: you never ever do that... go to uni that is
[13:20] <Quintasan> apachelogger: sup, it was 27*C yesterday and now it's 2*C
[13:20] <Quintasan> and snowing
[13:20] <Quintasan> magic
[13:20] <apachelogger> utter pointless
[13:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: lulz
[13:21] <apachelogger> it was like flipping 10 degree tonight
[13:21] <apachelogger> I thought I was going to freeze
[13:21] <Quintasan> I got up today
[13:21] <apachelogger> eventually I started cuddling with my overheating laptop
[13:21] <apachelogger> worked out well I must say
[13:21] <Quintasan> Looked trough the window, went SERIOUSLY WTF for a momend
[13:21] <yofel> LOL
[13:21] <Quintasan> rubbed my eyes two times and still
[13:21] <Quintasan> SNOW, SNOW EVERYWHERE
[13:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: all screwed up the weather is
[13:22] <apachelogger> and you know is responsible? right, GWB!
[13:22] <ScottK> I blame global warming for the snow.
[13:22] <yofel> true, they said it might be freezing this night here too :S
[13:22] <Quintasan> GWB?
[13:22] <apachelogger> george the double u bush
[13:22] <Quintasan> oh
[13:22] <apachelogger> he had to go to war and blow tons and tons of gas out of the tanks and the aircrafts and whatnot
[13:23] <apachelogger> ever since that global warming cannot be stopped no moar and we are all doomed
[13:23]  * apachelogger likes how one always gets to blame GWB for everything ^^
[13:23] <apachelogger> in austria we blame everyone for everything
[13:23]  * yofel goes finishing kdebase-workspace mess
[13:23] <apachelogger> much less stressful for the invidual person
[13:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: what I like is when people on telly go like "uhhh, global warming is all a lie, we had snow in like october, how is that global warming!!!"  :D
[13:26] <Quintasan> how come apacheloggerz can change the topic and I can't?
[13:26] <apachelogger> cuz I am the apacheloggerz
[13:26] <apachelogger> oh
[13:26] <apachelogger> rumor has it that phonon gstreamer 4.5.1 is in the making
[13:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: is phonon covered by the KDE SRU policy thing?
[13:27] <Quintasan> crap, gotta add Telepathy and Gluon to packaging
[13:27] <arpan> just added Bug #776341, if anyone can help with that.
[13:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.  Perhaps it should be.
[13:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: Does it have a sane upstream that really only does bug fixes in point releases?
[13:28] <apachelogger> no
[13:28] <apachelogger> well, history suggests otherwise anyway
[13:28] <apachelogger> probably can be changed though
[13:28] <ScottK> I think once there's some history of that, it could be added easily enough.
[13:29] <apachelogger> ok, I'll propose it to the phonominals
[13:30] <ScottK> Now that there's an official KDE policy for point releases, you could just follow that.
[13:33] <Quintasan> WTF
[13:33] <Quintasan> kmix eats 700mb of ram
[13:34] <ScottK> Adjusting volumes is very complicated.
[13:34] <Quintasan> Veromix ++
[13:34] <ScottK> I seem to recall some discussion of that being fixed for 4.6.3 or 4.
[13:34] <Quintasan> There is virtually no support for Pulse Audio in KMix
[13:37] <ScottK> Works for me.
[13:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: sure there is
[13:37] <apachelogger> colin is working on it
[13:37] <apachelogger> every now and then again
[13:37] <ScottK> Actually Natty is the first time since I can't remember when I can do a fresh install, install skype, and it just works with no tweaking.
[13:37] <ScottK> That's progress.
[13:37] <apachelogger> isnt PA sweetest if set up properly ;)
[13:38] <maco> in natty's plasma netbook, is firefox supposed to work with the menu plasmoid?
[13:38] <Quintasan> Kaption > KSnapshot
[13:38] <maco> im being told the menu plasmoid is disappearing when my friend uses firefox, but the menu's also not showing in firefox
[13:38] <apachelogger> Quintasan: kaption?
[13:39] <maco> so she's having to do the chrome-ish "press alt+f to see the menu"
[13:39] <Quintasan> Yeah
[13:39] <apachelogger> what is it
[13:39] <apachelogger> !info kaption
[13:39] <yofel> well, appmenu seems to have issues with firefox both in gtk and qt from what I hear
[13:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: crap, gotta go, look at kde-apps.org
[13:39] <yofel> mozilla in general
[13:39] <apachelogger> back when I was actually doing stuff we would have had it in the archive already
[13:39] <apachelogger> maco: WFM
[13:40] <yofel> maco: maybe check if firefox-globalmenu is installed
[13:40] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Version 0.0.9, I don't want it in archive until it's somehow complete
[13:40] <maco> yofel: she said if she alt+f then the menu appears all scrunched up in the corner, which sounds like it is going into the menu plasmoid, the menu plasmoid is just playing hide-n-go-seek
[13:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: back when I was actually doing stuff we would have had it in the archive already
[13:41] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/kaptionc11356.png
[13:41] <yofel> I'm clueless then
[13:41] <Quintasan> if that's support then thanks
[13:41] <apachelogger> maco: maybe a rendering bug
[13:41] <ScottK> maco: Menu works fine here with other apps, so I suspect blaming the menu thing is the wrong place to look.
[13:41] <maco> think i need to see over her shoulder
[13:41] <Quintasan> + 700mb for KMix is like "lolwtf
[13:41] <maco> maybe i can get an imagebin from her
[13:42] <ScottK> You'll be glad to know that VNC doesn't work with compositing enabled.
[13:43] <apachelogger> Quintasan: there is a lord memleak
[13:43] <apachelogger> not particularly kmix' fault
[13:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: Could you perhaps consider extending our Dr. Konqi patch to know about finding dbgsym packages?
[13:50] <yofel> wth is a 'vritual thunk' ?
[13:50] <yofel>   #MISSING: 4:4.6.3# (c++)"virtual thunk to Solid::Control::Ifaces::ModemGsmSmsInterface::~ModemGsmSmsInterface()@Base" 4:4.5.80
[13:50] <maco> *blink*
[13:51] <maco> Riddell: being the assignee on a bug doesn't subscribe you? how weird
[13:51] <maco> erm
[13:51] <maco> bug?
[13:51] <maco> s/bug/blueprint/
[13:51] <kubotu> maco meant: "blueprint?"
[13:51] <maco> 2 lines before that, silly bot!
[13:51] <ScottK> maco: No.  Creating it doesn't either.
[13:51] <jussi> lol
[13:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: you mean kubuntu-debug-installer?
[13:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yeah.  That one.
[13:52] <yofel> hm, true, would be nice if that could add ddebs repos
[13:52] <apachelogger> yeah, just thought about that yesterday ^^
[13:52] <apachelogger> thing is that the logic is not terribly easy to get right
[13:52] <apachelogger> though...
[13:53] <apachelogger> I belive libqapt has a parser for the sources.list[.d] now, so that should make things better
[13:53] <ScottK> Would it help if we got it added to the default sources.list?
[13:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, a user might already have it in sources.list.d (IIRC the wiki on debugging gives a cmd sequence for that)
[13:54] <yofel> well, I would only vote for that if you could easily disable it in software-properties..
[13:54] <yofel> yep
[13:54] <ScottK> yofel: I was thinking in the sources.list, but disabled by default.
[13:55] <apachelogger> ah
[13:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: that does not make much a difference
[13:55] <yofel> right
[13:55] <apachelogger> there are 2 approaches to the whole thing
[13:55] <apachelogger> a) persitent b) not so much ;)
[13:55] <apachelogger> a) would add ddebs and leave it there, whereas b) would add ddebs, try to get stuff, and then remove ddebs again
[13:56] <ScottK> One of the issues would be that the ddebs repository has a different key that's not included in the standard install.
[13:56] <apachelogger> latter is probably more expensive as we'd need to update the cache every time
[13:56] <apachelogger> but better default behaviour
[13:56] <apachelogger> it could be a config option somewhere I suppose
[13:57] <ScottK> maco: Just installed firefox on my netbook and the menu thing appears to work.
[14:00] <nigelb> apachelogger: you all lost shadeslayer. He's playing with Unity and "loves it!"
[14:00] <ScottK> We'd have lost him to back problems due to his large laptop soon anyway.
[14:02] <apachelogger> nigelb: he's making a broken browser, clearly he should love a broken desktop shell :P
[14:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: Apparently broken browsers are all the rage.
[14:03] <apachelogger> I wonder why though
[14:03] <nigelb> apachelogger: he's also working on telepathy which is a broken too :p
[14:03] <ScottK> Historically non-broken browsers are pretty tough to find.
[14:06] <apachelogger> nigelb: true
[14:06]  * apachelogger pokes the shadeslayer
[14:08] <lucidfox> Say, do we want the community-supported Qt Jambi?
[14:08] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: when are you arriving in the land of spas?
[14:08] <lucidfox> (I see the old Trolltech 4.4.x version was removed)
[14:08] <apachelogger> lucidfox: if it is well maintained
[14:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: Apparently I am scheduled to be at the airport at 0930.
[14:12] <apachelogger> woosh, also that early
[14:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: sunday evening
[14:12] <apachelogger> ScottK, Quintasan: fancy some sight seeing or stuff in the afternoons?
[14:12] <apachelogger> then I'd be trying to catch an earlier train
[14:12] <ScottK> Perhaps.  Depends on my fatigue level.
[14:13] <apachelogger> *nod*
[14:17] <nigelb> apachelogger: he's fixing ffriend's unity
[14:21]  * jussi is arriving to budapest at 0950 on the sunday
[14:22] <apachelogger> jussi: sightseeing?
[14:22] <jussi> apachelogger: likely. 
[14:22]  * apachelogger could be in budapest around 1pm
[14:22] <apachelogger> well, actually I could be there earlier, but that is the earliest fast connection ^^
[14:22] <jussi> as long as I get a chance to ump my bags somewhere - Im not hauling them around...
[14:25] <yuriy> bambee: pong
[14:25] <yuriy> bambee: i'm all for userconfig going upstream
[14:25] <yuriy> bambee: but as Riddell said, i'm not really maintaining it and it would be great if you could take over
[14:25] <bambee> yuriy: great!
[14:25] <bambee> thanks ;)
[14:27] <apachelogger> jussi: surely we could drop them at the hotel
[14:27] <Quintasan> hmmm good idea apachelogger
[14:28] <Quintasan> though I got a bunch of stuff I want to read but that can be done in sleeping time
[14:28] <apachelogger> well, just a suggestion
[14:28] <Quintasan> jussi: 0950? woah. earlier than me :D
[14:28] <apachelogger> I have no problem getting up at 9 and arriving at 15 :P
[14:29] <apachelogger> supposedly arriving at 1500 is still enough time to conduct proper sight seeing :P
[14:29]  * apachelogger finds most european cities rather dull
[14:29] <ScottK> jussi: I'm scheduled to arrive at 0930, so maybe I'll see you at the airport.
[14:29] <Quintasan> I bet we will end up in a bar or restaurant drinking beer if we go with you apachelogger
[14:29] <jussi> ScottK: sounds good 
[14:30] <apachelogger> oh my, how did you know ^^
[14:30] <jussi> lol
[14:30] <yofel> ^^
[14:30] <ScottK> jussi: You should add yourself to the wiki page of Kubuntu attendees.
[14:30] <jussi> ScottK: oh?
[14:30] <apachelogger> sight seeing with apachelogger: before 10am = coffe; after 10am = pub
[14:30] <ScottK> jussi: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O
[14:30] <Quintasan> You sound like it was THAT hard to guess :P
[14:30] <jussi> apachelogger: where do the fluffy sights fit into that? 
[14:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you dont even know me IRL, I have been told I am much worse than one would imagine :P
[14:31]  * Quintasan is really considering brining two mats for Stepmania
[14:31] <apachelogger> jussi: if you are drunk you dont need to walk a lot too see fun things
[14:31] <Quintasan> apachelogger dancing to YMCA would be a hillarious sight
[14:31] <jussi> Quintasan: oh, definately do so
[14:31] <apachelogger> jussi: besides, a city must e judged by its pubs
[14:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'd have said you're much 'more' in real life, not necessarily worse.
[14:31] <apachelogger> oh
[14:32] <Quintasan> jussi: You got some simfiles? I have mostly Japanese and a few so-called irish songs
[14:32] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e54m6XOpRgU
[14:32] <apachelogger> please study
[14:32] <jussi> Quintasan: no, Ive got nothing... but when going to uds, multiples are always appreciated.
[14:32] <apachelogger> we need to dance at UDS 
[14:32]  * jussi must remember lots of salmiakki
[14:32] <jussi> salmiakki kossu
[14:33] <Quintasan> jussi: Got a camera? We gotta really capture this
[14:33] <Quintasan> DEM BONES
[14:33]  * apachelogger hugs ScottK
[14:33] <ScottK> maco: BTW, I renamed your accessibility spec so it would display reasonably on the schedule.
[14:33]  * apachelogger practises
[14:33] <Quintasan> IT'S FUN TO STAY AT THE....Y. M. C. A.
[14:34] <apachelogger> sing that with DVCS
[14:34] <apachelogger> then think of bzr and it all makes so much more sense
[14:35] <Quintasan> lol!
[14:35] <Quintasan> IT'S FUN TO STAY THE... D. V. C. S.!
[14:38] <maco> ScottK: ok
[14:44]  * Quintasan gotta start washing stuff
[14:49] <apachelogger> Quintasan: GTL?
[14:49]  * apachelogger roflz
[14:49] <Quintasan> What?
[14:49] <Quintasan> Plz, stop spouting random nosense at me
[14:49] <apachelogger> dont your read the backlogs
[14:49] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GTL
[14:50] <Quintasan> oh lawd
[14:50] <Quintasan> nah, just laundry :P
[14:50] <apachelogger> bro, you need to stay fresh! :P
[14:52] <Quintasan> Yeah bro
[14:52] <Quintasan> BROFIST
[14:52]  * apachelogger giggles away and falls off his chair
[14:52] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://www.maniacworld.com/internet-bro-fist.jpg
[14:53] <apachelogger> oh myz
[15:12] <snikker> in natty i'm unable to login in failsafe mode, and alse other virtual console (ctrl+f1, ctrl+f2, ecc) are disabled. this is a normal thing? it's because i've set a kde private folder?
[15:23] <jjesse> snikker you might want to try in #kubuntu for help
[15:23] <snikker> jjesse: i've already asked there :-)
[15:27] <ScottK> If you're using the encrypted home directory, yeah, that wont work.
[15:37] <snikker> ScottK: ok, thank you
[16:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: did canonical do anything WRT screen setup stuff for natty actually?
[16:09] <apachelogger> didn't see anything in the news
[16:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think so.
[16:10]  * apachelogger is getting majorly annoyed with krandrtray and is pretty close to rewriting it himself
[16:10] <ScottK> Debconf on my server that runs natty is now purple.
[16:11] <apachelogger> aubergine!
[16:11] <yofel> purple, aubergine sounds somewhat nice and I don't like that
[16:11] <apachelogger> well
[16:11] <apachelogger> we could adopt the fluffy color scheme
[16:12] <apachelogger> introducing a mighty force against the aubergine
[16:12]  * yofel turns the red color channel to 0
[16:12] <yofel> yep, looks nice now :P
[16:13]  * apachelogger has a mighty migrane again
[16:19] <bambee> http://imageshack.us/f/820/wtfjz.png/  <--- wtf ? o_O
[16:19] <bambee> (see the directory icon)
[16:20] <apachelogger> new le icons
[16:23] <jussi> you know, i think kubuntu's grey scheme is horrible. can has some beautifulness pls?
[16:24] <ScottK> It's not Kubuntu's.  It's KDE's.
[16:24] <jussi> ScottK: its both. but still, its ugly.
[16:25]  * jussi attempts to fixor...
[16:25] <ScottK> Since we have ~no one doing artwork, following upstream is best.
[16:25] <bambee> apachelogger: what ?
[16:30] <apachelogger> oh
[16:30] <apachelogger> don't beat me to stress my french here
[16:30] <apachelogger> my oh my
[16:30] <apachelogger> ceux qui sont les icones nouvelles de dossier
[16:30] <apachelogger> or something like that
[16:30] <apachelogger> at any rate they are the new folder icons, though I would wonder why you've got them
[16:30] <apachelogger> they ought only be in the rocking new oxygen
[16:32] <apachelogger> great, my qt refuses to do the compiling
[16:32] <apachelogger> -.-
[16:32] <zanoi> Since natty the sidebar in Miro (which is a gtk tableview) has a rendering error when using Kubuntu. Is there a known gtk list view rendering bug in kubuntu natty?
[16:33] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[16:33] <zanoi> sorry, tableview, not list view
[16:33] <bambee> apachelogger: I don't know why I got them... o_O
[16:33] <apachelogger> zanoi: do you like have a snapshot or something?
[16:33] <bambee> well, back to home
[16:34] <zanoi> apachelogger: the error is less bad, but it happens with the old miro in the repository as well
[16:34] <zanoi> apachelogger: i'd really like to fix it before we release the new 4.0 though
[16:35] <yofel> zanoi: how to reproduce?
[16:35] <apachelogger> kubotu: order painkiller
[16:35]  * kubotu slides awesome pain killing painkillers down the bar to apachelogger. Good ride!
[16:36] <zanoi> yofel: apt-get install miro
[16:36] <Quintasan> oh snap
[16:37] <Quintasan> grub is borked on mah lapotopz
[16:37] <apachelogger> it is not your laptopz!
[16:37] <zanoi> yofel: beware though, it installs lots gnome-ish stuff
[16:37] <yofel> nah, I have half of gnome installed
[16:37] <yofel> zanoi: looks like this here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/miro.png
[16:38] <zanoi> yofel: interesting, so it doesn't happen with you
[16:39] <zanoi> yofel: thx a lot
[16:39] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/bq9aN.png
[16:40] <Quintasan> lolwut
[16:40] <Quintasan> sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[16:40] <Quintasan> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat 'aufs'
[16:40] <Quintasan> wtf
[16:40] <jussi> Quintasan: dont you need to specifit the --root-directory=/
[16:41]  * yofel blames the live disk ^^
[16:41] <apachelogger> hm
[16:41] <yofel> jussi: not sure, I never do that, but I always chroot
[16:41] <apachelogger> either dragon or pvlc or libvlc or all 3 of them are broken
[16:41] <jussi> yofel: never works without it for me
[16:41] <jussi> apachelogger: all of them!! :P
[16:41] <apachelogger> zanoi: what is broken there?
[16:41] <zanoi> apachelogger, yofel: http://bugzilla.pculture.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17209
[16:42] <c2tarun> my system freezing whenever I am trying to connect to any wifi network :( I switched to gnome's network manager, but its also not working :(
[16:42] <zanoi> apachelogger, yofel: i can even reproduce it on a fresh natty install
[16:42] <apachelogger> zanoi: that line thingy?
[16:42] <Quintasan> yofel: ur right
[16:42] <Quintasan> its broken
[16:42] <Quintasan> lol
[16:42] <Quintasan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/700910
[16:42] <apachelogger> ah righto
[16:42] <ScottK> c2tarun: Then it's not really Kubuntu specific.  It's probably a kernel issue and your wifi driver.
[16:42] <zanoi> apachelogger: yes
[16:43] <yofel> c2tarun: not sure if that would help... if your system freezes I would blame either driver and/or kernel itself
[16:43] <apachelogger> zanoi: quite honstely that looks to me like the theme overload is incomplete
[16:43] <c2tarun> ScottK: which is the appropriate channel for this?
[16:43] <apachelogger> or whatever one would call it
[16:43] <ScottK> c2tarun: #ubuntu
[16:43] <apachelogger> zanoi: try to get hold of someone in #oxygen they make the gtk oxygen theme and surely could tell you what might be going wrong there
[16:43] <zanoi> apachelogger: it happens with other themes as well
[16:44] <apachelogger> then it is hardly kubuntu specific
[16:44] <apachelogger> but rather a general issue with the GTK class
[16:44] <zanoi> well it works in ubuntu :/
[16:44] <apachelogger> that does not make sense
[16:44] <apachelogger> what are other themese then?
[16:45] <zanoi> apachelogger: oh, sorry you are right. it's oxygen
[16:46] <apachelogger> see :P
[16:46] <zanoi> (-:
[16:46] <zanoi> stupid me forgot to change the theme in GTK appearance
[16:46] <zanoi> apachelogger: i'll talk to oxygen, thanks a lot
[16:47] <apachelogger> yw, good luck
[16:50] <ScottK> Once again apachelogger has demonstrated that Kubuntu is total crap as KDE distros go.
[16:50] <ScottK> ;-)
[16:51] <apachelogger> the worst ever
[17:16] <claydoh> is it just me, but as a long time KDE user who has seen many changes over the years,  and is n ot afraid of that,  or is Unity and/or gnome shell just pure *meh* ?
[17:17] <claydoh> or am I just jades by the awesomeness that is Kubuntu?
[17:18] <claydoh> s/jades/jaded
[17:21] <apachelogger> people hate the change
[17:22] <apachelogger> must be part of the reason why I am not actually giving on mars or something
[17:23] <yofel> claydoh: well, I find it somewhat usable, unity more than g-shell actually. My problems are that you can't really configure anything, and that 3D desktop and 2D desktop look totally different
[17:23] <yofel> KDE ftw!
[17:24] <claydoh> yofel: I just find them boring, though that may be a good thing
[17:24] <claydoh> they both do the job as far as i have used them, just dull
[17:25] <apachelogger> yofel: I find unity-2d more usable than unity
[17:26] <yofel> true, -2d works at least, 3d gave me compiz crashes most of the time
[17:26] <apachelogger> claydoh: better to get the job done than to have a bazillion widgets of which 90% memleak and 30% crash the whole freaking desktop :D
[17:26] <claydoh> apachelogger: what are *you* using? :) 
[17:26] <yofel> that would be funny if it weren't true...
[17:27] <claydoh> though I must have the better luck, I seldom have crashes or the like
[17:27] <apachelogger> claydoh: windows xp
[17:28] <apachelogger> dell took my windows seven away :(
[17:28] <claydoh> ahhh
[17:28] <apachelogger> bstrds
[17:28] <yofel> it's not like w7 is any better than xp, so who cares
[17:28] <apachelogger> oh but it is
[17:29] <yofel> well, ok, the panel is ince
[17:29] <yofel> *nice
[17:29] <apachelogger> not just the panel
[17:29] <claydoh> the mrs is currently using vista, somehow she gets no crash, no virii, nada. so I can't convince her toi go back to KDE
[17:29] <apachelogger> pwrshell also rox my world
[17:29] <apachelogger> plus visual studio 2010 behaves like utter shit on xp
[17:29] <apachelogger> claydoh: vista is just the slow
[17:29] <apachelogger> other than that a perfectly fine OS
[17:30] <apachelogger> claydoh: that said you could hook her up with them fine KDE on windows apps
[17:30] <claydoh> dunno, I won't touch it anymore since I installed it for her
[17:30] <apachelogger> like gwenviewy
[17:30] <claydoh> lol
[17:30] <apachelogger> I am sure agateau would appreciate that :D
[17:30] <yofel> hm, guess I should try powershell sometime..
[17:30] <claydoh> she only uses ff/ie and yahoo chat, about 95% of the time
[17:30] <claydoh> which she could do on her phone
[17:30] <claydoh> then I could have me 2 laptops
[17:30] <yofel> sounds like ubuntu target user
[17:31] <apachelogger> youbuntoo looks like a bole of dirt compared to windows
[17:32] <apachelogger> you can say about the blista what you want but the default theme's colors are just insanely well chosen
[17:32] <claydoh> apachelogger: color/theme wise, yeah
[17:32] <apachelogger> win even even more so IMHO
[17:32] <apachelogger> s/even/seven
[17:32] <Quintasan> Kubuntu > *
[17:32] <yofel> nah, KDE > *
[17:32] <Quintasan> oh yeah
[17:32] <Quintasan> PulseAudio ---
[17:32] <Quintasan> --------- even
[17:32] <yofel> bzr--
[17:32] <yofel> lp--
[17:32] <Quintasan> w.k.o--
[17:33] <Quintasan> ~karma Quintasan
[17:33] <kubotu> karma for Quintasan: 2
[17:33] <Quintasan> wtf
[17:33] <Quintasan> ~karma apachelogger
[17:33] <kubotu> karma for apachelogger: 11
[17:33] <Quintasan> lol
[17:33] <claydoh> oh yah, pulse. her usb headset Just Works in vistar, 
[17:33] <yofel> ~karma 
[17:33] <kubotu> karma for yofel: 6
[17:33] <yofel> :D
[17:33] <Quintasan> ~karma pulse
[17:33] <kubotu> pulse has neutral karma
[17:33] <yofel> ~karma lp
[17:33] <Quintasan> ~karma PulseAudio
[17:33] <kubotu> karma for lp: -1
[17:33] <kubotu> karma for PulseAudio: -1
[17:33] <apachelogger> vistarr
[17:33] <Quintasan> That's good
[17:33] <yofel> ~karma bzr
[17:33] <kubotu> karma for bzr: -4
[17:33] <apachelogger> as the pirates use to say
[17:33] <Quintasan> lol
[17:33] <Quintasan> bzr--
[17:34] <Quintasan> ~karma Riddell
[17:34] <kubotu> karma for Riddell: 13
[17:34] <Quintasan> WINNER
[17:34] <apachelogger> claydoh: it ought to work in the youbuntoo
[17:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: oh, wanna bet
[17:34] <apachelogger> kubotu: karma c
[17:34] <kubotu> karma for c: 212
[17:34] <apachelogger> there we go
[17:34] <Quintasan> LOL
[17:34] <yofel> meh, you beat me to it ^^
[17:34] <Quintasan> C++
[17:34] <Quintasan> ~karma c
[17:34] <kubotu> karma for c: 213
[17:34] <claydoh> apachelogger: well she won't go for it
[17:34] <Quintasan> no wonder
[17:34] <Quintasan> xD
[17:34] <yofel> yep
[17:34] <yofel> c++
[17:34] <apachelogger> claydoh: I wouldn't go for it either :P
[17:35] <Quintasan> That's cheating btw.
[17:35]  * claydoh waits for some catastrophic crash
[17:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^^
[17:35] <apachelogger> claydoh: except vista starts the slow
[17:35] <apachelogger> winseven pwns the vistarr
[17:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: no it is not
[17:35] <Quintasan> it is lol
[17:35] <Quintasan> ~karma C++
[17:35] <kubotu> karma for C++: 1
[17:35] <Quintasan> :S
[17:35] <apachelogger> nah, you could just as well go cpp
[17:35] <Quintasan> "C++" ++
[17:35] <Quintasan> ~karma C++
[17:35] <kubotu> karma for C++: 1
[17:35] <Quintasan> :/
[17:35] <claydoh> apachelogger: win7=$$ vistar dvd came with my lappy, so i put it oh her OS-less used lappy
[17:35] <apachelogger> but people choose c++ to mention that C is ++
[17:35] <apachelogger> c++++
[17:36] <Quintasan> ~karma C++
[17:36] <kubotu> karma for C++: 2
[17:36] <Quintasan> LOL
[17:36] <jussi> c++++
[17:36] <jussi> :D
[17:36] <claydoh> ~karma for karma:-6
[17:36] <kubotu> karma:-6 has neutral karma
[17:36] <apachelogger> claydoh: see, that was the fault right there... if you had installed the kyoubuntoo everything would be fine :P
[17:36] <Quintasan> ~karma karma
[17:36] <kubotu> karma has neutral karma
[17:36] <jussi> karma ++
[17:36] <jussi> ~karma karma
[17:36] <kubotu> karma for karma: 1
[17:37] <yofel> ~karma git
[17:37] <kubotu> karma for git: 1
[17:37] <claydoh> apachelogger: I did, but she wanted yahoo IM interface, and the "better" skype
[17:37] <apachelogger> she got a point there
[17:37]  * apachelogger actually wanted to make a better skype for the linux last year
[17:37] <jussi> has skype open sourced its front end yet? 
[17:38] <apachelogger> but to get the 3rd party api shit you need to sell them your sole and stuff
[17:38] <claydoh> she IS using libreoffice at least :)
[17:38] <apachelogger> jussi: that was just a marketing scam I am sure
[17:38] <jussi> apachelogger: bah
[17:38] <apachelogger> if anything they'd opensource their crap linux UI and stop developing it
[17:39] <apachelogger> skype has as much idea about the powa of the free society as rms about the awesomeness of visual studio
[17:39] <jussi> smooth tasks is great and all, but "show a launcher for $app when its not running" is borked....
[17:42] <apachelogger> you are weird
[17:42] <apachelogger> smooth tasks is like the most broken implementation of a broken usage idiom that I have ever seen
[18:15] <bambee> Someone could merge this branch into kubuntu-packagers ? https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/kubuntu-dev-tools/kde-l10n-common-4.6.3
[18:15] <bambee> also I have updated the wiki (to point to the kubuntu-packagers repositories)
[18:16] <yofel> thanks, looking
[18:16] <yofel> btw, you have a gpg-agent running?
[18:17] <bambee> I have
[18:17] <bambee> yes
[18:17] <bambee> why ?
[18:17] <bambee> ohh
[18:18] <bambee> probably because I will push many times...
[18:18] <bambee> :\
[18:18] <yofel> well, a few dozen packages * 2 password queries for debsign
[18:18] <yofel> that's a lot!
[18:18] <bambee> indeed
[18:19] <yofel> gpg-agent = 1 password entry
[18:19] <yofel> hm, I guess I'll start the -natty branch
[18:27] <yofel> bambee: created https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-dev-tools/kde-l10n-common-natty
[18:27] <yofel> I'll update the wiki
[18:37] <bambee> yofel: thanks, btw
[18:50] <bambee> does anyone moderate kde-core-devel ML, here ?
[18:51] <bambee> (just to get things done faster)
[18:51] <Riddell> no but it's well enough maintained, just have some patience if you've posted to it
[18:51] <bambee> ok
[18:51] <bambee> :)
[18:54] <c2tarun> the merges link https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html, can we do these merges too?
[18:54] <Riddell> c2tarun: best to start with universe if it's your first time
[18:55] <c2tarun> Riddell: where can I get list for universe?
[18:55] <yofel> s/main/universe/ ;)
[18:55] <kubotu> yofel: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[18:55] <bambee> c2tarun: https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html ?
[18:56] <c2tarun> thanks bambee :)
[18:57] <c2tarun> hmmm... there is no option on that page to mention that I am taking the merge work. This may double the work if someone else started it. :/
[19:03] <Quintasan> apachelogger: turn of s/lol/wut
[19:03] <Quintasan> off*
[19:03] <apachelogger> lolwut?
[19:03] <yofel> s/lol/wut/
[19:03] <kubotu> yofel: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[19:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: help sed
[19:03] <kubotu> Fix the previous sentence using regexp and a sed-like syntax. Supported delimiters are /|,! and the modifier "g". Grouping is supported via parens, and backreferencing is done via \1 \2 and so on. You don't have to directly address the bot. Examples: <nick>hello <nick>s/e/u/
[19:03]  * yofel hits kubotu with a tux statue
[19:05] <apachelogger> hello
[19:05] <apachelogger> s/e/u
[19:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: youarebrokenbeyondrepair
[19:06] <Quintasan> kill it with fire
[19:08] <apachelogger> cmake-qt-gui
[19:09] <apachelogger> was however came up with that package name on crack or something?
[19:09] <apachelogger> a spaceship is more intuitive than that name
[19:12]  * shadeslayer pokes apachelogger back
[19:14] <shadeslayer> someone broke my dear natty
[19:14] <shadeslayer> i demand to know who it was
[19:15] <yofel> define "broken"
[19:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: broken as in keyboard-events-appear-as-weird-characters-hence-i-cannot-login
[19:16] <shadeslayer> winduhs works fine
[19:16] <shadeslayer> so its not a problem with the hardware
[19:16] <yofel> cool
[19:16] <Quintasan> I'm bored and I have to prepare my laptopz for UDS
[19:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: prepare?
[19:17] <shadeslayer> like have stickers of unicorns and stuff
[19:17] <Quintasan> Synergy++
[19:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: install Youbuntoos etc
[19:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i held one of these in my hand today : http://www.perfectpetzzz.com/_Layouts/Resources/PerfectPetzzz/Images/ProductDisplay/All/StBernard.PP91.04BV6.jpg
[19:18] <shadeslayer> it's like a ball of fur i tell ya
[19:20]  * Quintasan wishes he could bind KMenu to Winkey
[19:21]  * yofel bound krunner to win+space
[19:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah ... i wish i could do that too
[19:22] <shadeslayer> atmost it lasts for one session
[19:22] <shadeslayer> oh also ... keyboard magically fixed
[19:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it better be .prn
[19:42] <apachelogger> right it wasnt
[19:42] <apachelogger> what a waste of the time
[19:42] <apachelogger> meh
[19:42] <apachelogger> :(
[19:42] <shadeslayer> it's not
[19:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you poked
[20:26] <bambee> yofel: then I need to upload kde-l10n to kubuntu-ninjas ?
[20:26] <bambee> (I don't find it in kubuntu-ninjas...)
[20:26] <yofel> no, you wait until release and then upload to the release PPA
[20:26] <yofel> that would be far too much to copy
[20:27] <bambee> yofel: the script upload-l10n.sh contains "dput ubuntu $change"
[20:28] <bambee> (so I need to change it for the upload)
[20:28] <bambee> ok I wait until the release
[20:31] <yofel> bambee: you don't use that
[20:31] <yofel> that's for oneiric, and you need to be a kubuntu-dev to use that
[20:31] <yofel> you just build, debsign, and dput to the ppa by hand (*.changes works)
[20:33] <Riddell> for natty you want to just upload kde-l10n-xx to ubuntu
[20:33] <Riddell> for maverick to the PPA
[20:34] <yofel> you're thinking one release backwards
[20:34] <Riddell> oh hmm
[20:34] <Riddell> for Oneiric you want to just upload kde-l10n-xx to ubuntu
[20:34] <Riddell> for natty to the PPA
[20:34] <Riddell> like that? :)
[20:34] <yofel> :D
[20:37] <bambee> mhh ok
[20:38] <bambee> so I've to debsign each packages by hand ? because all of them are unsigned actually
[20:38] <bambee> (using gpg-agent of course)
[20:38] <yofel> if you use gpg-agent, you'll run debsign *.changes, be asked for the password once and then watch as it magically signs all
[20:39] <yofel> to use a gpg-agent you add 'use-agent' to ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and log out
[20:41] <yofel> and you'll need pinentry-qt4
[20:41] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:44] <shadeslayer> agateau: around?
[20:45] <shadeslayer> oh noes
[20:45] <shadeslayer> :(
[21:06] <shadeslayer> valorie: Happy Birthday!!! :D
[21:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: Quintasan ever stitched 2 images together in GwenView?
[21:06] <shadeslayer> s/V/v
[21:06] <yofel> not yet
[21:07] <shadeslayer> hmm... because i can't find a way to do that :P
[21:09] <Quintasan> nah
[21:09] <ScottK> Does  it do that?
[21:10] <Quintasan> no idea
[21:10] <Quintasan> Never seen that option before
[21:12] <shadeslayer> time to install gimp then
[21:15] <debfx> ScottK: got some time to sponsor a cmake merge?
[21:16] <ScottK> How fiddly is it?
[21:16] <ScottK> If it's an easy one, sure.
[21:16] <ScottK> If it's really painful, let's make apachelogger do it.
[21:16] <debfx> ScottK: fairly easy, http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/cmake_2.8.4+dfsg.1-2ubuntu1.debdiff
[21:17]  * apachelogger likes the pain
[21:17] <ScottK> I'll try to have a look in a bit.
[21:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/0Xgpb.png
[21:59] <valorie> thank you, shadeslayer!
[22:04] <droidslayer> Riddell: it seems irn bru is trending on twitter :)
[22:06] <Riddell> how does one see trending on twitter?
[22:08] <Riddell> oh aye.  well that's an interesting non-debate and now I want some irn bru
[22:14] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: can you setup RAID on the live CD? Because I've only been able to via the alt installer
[22:14] <Riddell> no you can't
[22:14] <Riddell> nor LVM
[22:15] <DarkwingDuck> There's the argument for keeping the alt installer around then :P:P
[22:41] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: None of those are things that non-tech users need.  You can use the Server installer and then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.
[22:42] <ScottK> Riddell typically does, I'd guess, 80% or more of the ISO testing, so either more testers have to magically appear or we have to test a lot less stuff.
[22:44] <debfx> ScottK: the alt image also provides full disk encryption
[22:44] <ScottK> True.
[22:44] <ScottK> Also I think not a non-tech user scenario.
[22:44] <ScottK> Encrypted home directory is good enough for most.
[22:44] <ScottK> Live CD supports that.
[22:44] <ScottK> We can argue this at UDS.
[22:45] <ScottK> Maybe guilt ev into implementing some of it for the Live CD.
[22:49] <debfx> ScottK: do you want to eliminate the alt images completely or just demote them to cdimages.ubuntu.com?
[22:50] <debfx> i.e. calling them unsupported
[22:52] <ybit> i just submitted 6 feature requests and 5 bugs, go me
[22:53] <ybit> whoops, wrong channel :)
[23:14] <rbelem> ScottK, at work we only use kubuntu alternate images
[23:14] <ScottK> rbelem: Why?
[23:15] <rbelem> ScottK, mainly because of full disk encryption
[23:15] <ScottK> I used to only use the alternate too, but for several cycles I've been using live and it seems to work out pretty well.
[23:15] <rbelem> ScottK, but to update the system too
[23:16] <rbelem> ScottK, does live encrypt the entire disk?
[23:16] <ScottK> No, just /home directories.
[23:16] <rbelem> we have really slow internet connection here
[23:17] <ScottK> Right, but with a local mirror you could still just download once.
[23:17] <ScottK> It'd be interesting to see how much stuff can be added to the live image.
[23:18] <ScottK> BTW, you can use the live image for upgrades, AIUI.
[23:18] <rbelem> so, to make a command-line installation and then download the entire kubuntu stack is not viable
[23:18] <ScottK> OK.
[23:18] <ScottK> Not even from a locall mirror?
[23:18] <ScottK> debmirror or such is easy enough to set up.
[23:19] <rbelem> ScottK, we dont have a dedicated server as local mirror, then i setup one i my laptop
[23:20] <ScottK> Doesn't need to be dedicated.  Any server/workstation with a persistent connection would do.
[23:21] <ScottK> In any case, I think it's worth discussing or getting the people that want the alternate to stick around to commit to testing it.
[23:22] <rbelem> ScottK, the situation would be even worse when there is only dial-up internet connection
[23:22] <ScottK> True.
[23:22] <rbelem> the small cities in the middle of the amazon rain forest
[23:22] <ScottK> So you need full disk encryption + upgrades, right?
[23:22] <rbelem> yup
[23:22] <ScottK> I think upgrades you can already do.
[23:23] <rbelem> i did not tested yet upgrading via live cd
[23:27] <rbelem> ScottK, i really would like to help to maintain the alternate image, but i think i would not manage  to do the image testing and the other tasks :'(
[23:27] <ScottK> Could you do that this week so we'll know.
[23:27] <rbelem> oki
[23:29]  * rbelem needs gtd skills
[23:50] <Quintasan> Good night!