[01:30] apachelogger: ping [01:33] debfx: grab-merge pkg-kde-tools works. [01:34] I hate this track system... just lemme search keywords. :P [01:44] Uggh [02:15] funny how qsharedpointer can make some stuff slower... apper is much faster with pk-qt2 which doesn't use it.. [02:19] Has the personal participation schedule ever worked on the UDS schedule page? [02:19] To download the ical [03:41] * ScottK prods maco about the installer spec. [03:41] rbelem: How's that mobile spec coming? [03:43] DarkwingDuck: if you recall though, the timeslots change like once per hour [03:43] so it doesn't do much good to dl the ical [04:04] hey guys... i've made a video on kde, it's filled with stuff i think would help improve kde [04:04] the kubuntu experience [04:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7x_ea5eojM [04:05] just uploaded it [04:07] fffffffff -- still no flash for youtube [04:08] ybit: We need code, not videos. [04:08] FWIW, for all my kvetching about rekonq, I was glad to have it last night. [04:09] ScottK: heh, you're right [04:09] I went through chromium, firefox, and then to rekonq before I found a browser that would give me sound for Obama's speech. [04:20] none works for flash for me [04:20] didn't try konq [04:20] yet [04:22] rbelem: Are you going to make a new file sharing spec and do we need a session at UDS to discuss it? [05:04] can anyone please suggest me a good softphone application for kubuntu? [06:29] c2tarun: er [06:29] ybit: ?? [06:30] there are two that i can recall [06:30] but can't remember the names of them :) [06:31] twinkle [06:31] and something else [06:31] ybit: I got that :) twinkle worked fine for kubuntu :) thanks [06:32] qutecom [06:32] and i used linphone when i needed video about 2 years ago :) [06:33] most people use skype [06:33] or google talk [06:43] aaah [06:43] earlier when i complained about the kde start menu icon... i know exactly what it should be now [06:43] that nice icon on kubuntu.org [08:06] morning [08:10] ybit, then we wouldn't have our lil KDE button anymore! [08:10] I would miss it === yofel_ is now known as yofel [08:17] morning [08:29] ninjas: is 4.6.3 going to be packaged for maverick? [08:38] well, we still don't have kdeedu and kdeplasma-addons to package for natty/oneiric so that wasn't really a question yet. Although I think it would be nice to backport it, but only if we can get 4.6.3 into natty-updates so we don't break upgrades again [08:42] yofel: are you able to review and commit to bzr the 4.6.3 packaging done by c2tarun? [08:43] sure, can do that now, I don't know how much for now since I'm sitting in the train right now [08:43] wobbly train wifi [08:44] nope, 3G over my n900 :P [08:44] even wobblier [08:44] a volunteer is needed for kde-l10n too, I can supply ec2 machine if needed [08:49] * Riddell wonders if bambee will volunteer :) [08:50] Riddell: sure. I can package it this evening. (I am at work) [08:50] it's okay ? [08:50] well, c2tarun volunteered, but someone needs to merge the packaging branch update [08:51] since kde-l10n requires comitting === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Party! | Merges https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html | Oneiric open for development [08:52] I wonder if it's safe to add him to kubuntu-packagers [08:52] I'm not convinced he understands the whole packaging process though [08:54] nope, I would prefer him at least to learn how to do proper merge requests before that [08:55] (and I hope he's read the debian-policy by now) [08:56] what is merge ? (merges.ubuntu.com) [08:56] I'm worried he's not checking for new files when packaging [08:56] bambee: ah hah, that is the most exciting thing one can do, you'll love it :) [08:57] bambee: at the start of the cycle we merge back all our packaging with debian [08:57] :) [08:57] Riddell: ohh [08:57] so you take the debian package, work out what changes there have been in ubuntu since the last debian merge [08:57] decide which need to be kept [08:58] put those changes into the debian package, test, check, and upload [08:58] probably best to start off with one of the simpler universe packages if you're starting it https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html [09:01] mhhh interesting... [09:02] Riddell: we have accesses to debian archives, for that ? [09:04] yes, they're on the secret server that is git.debian.org [09:05] for the main KDE SC modules anyway [09:05] ok [09:05] lesser known packages you can just get from packages.debian.org [09:06] JontheEchidna: ping. you need to ask the kdeadmin maintainer (or ask on the kdeadmin ML) if you want userconfig on upstream. (because you're the upstream developer) [09:06] you or yuriy [09:06] bambee: I expect both JontheEchidna and yuriy would be happy for you to take over as the upstream developer and propose it yourself [09:06] I cannot do it myself since I am not the upstream dev, I am just a contributor for now :) [09:07] bambee: userconfig has a section on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O, do we need to register a spec for it [09:07] Riddell: I already proposed it myself, yesterday evening. I said that I was not the upstream dev :\ [09:07] (on #kde-devel) [09:09] bambee: just because pinotree says it on #kde-devel doesn't make it true :) [09:09] ahhh... I don't know :) [09:09] well [09:09] bambee: I'm pretty sure there is no kdeadmin mailing list [09:10] and didn't you say you had e-mailed the module maintainer and couldn't get through to him? [09:10] apparently not, at least I did not find a ML... [09:10] Riddell: right. apparently his email does not exist anymore [09:11] so it's unmaintained, free for all! :) [09:11] Riddell: have a look at trunk/KDE/kdeadmin/AUTHORS [09:11] that file is 6 years old, bero is not the maintainer [09:11] OMG. you're right o_O [09:11] * apachelogger has no laptop anymore [09:11] * bambee hugs apachelogger [09:12] ScottK: also the performance issues with kwin and my netbook either were related to blur or oxygen [09:12] bambee: I recommend you e-mail the main authors of the 5 programmes in kdeadmin (one of whom is me!) along with kde-core-devel to propose that userconfig replaces kuser [09:13] bambee: I predict that will come to no resistance, however KDE is in feature freeze so it can't go in for 4.7 [09:13] but it can go into kdereview [09:13] I agree, looks a good idea [09:13] bambee: then one day you can quietly update the AUTHORS file and put yourself in there and be king of kdeadmin! [09:13] Riddell: so it will go in for 4.8 ;) [09:13] apachelogger: did you install visual studio on it? [09:15] apachelogger: just blur? for me it's not only blur (intel) [09:15] Riddell: on the laptop, yes, now microsoft has taken it away from me :( [09:15] Riddell: firstly I will propose userconfig via emails and on ML. then I need to ask for a svn account [09:15] or rather dell [09:15] ^^ [09:15] yofel: blur certainly had the biggest impact [09:16] (if it's accepted...) [09:16] yofel: though I then went on and removed everything I did not need [09:16] true, but for me I had to remove all 5 effects that don't work with xrender so opengl was usable again [09:17] the newer intel driver from edgers didn't help though, maybe I'll add whole edgers to my other test system [09:21] well, bbl [09:23] bambee: so is a spec needed for userconfig at UDS? [09:25] Riddell: write a kauth helper (in cpp probably) , the dbus helper works but the kauth framework is faster and easier imho (and designed for that!). Also finish the ldap backend... [09:25] (we could write the helper in cpp and keep the rest in python) [09:26] bambee: so that's a yes? [09:26] yes [09:26] Riddell: that's a yes [09:28] 3 specs: 1) propose it to upstream, 2) use kauth, 3) finish the ldap backend [09:28] that can all be covered in one spec easily enough [09:28] voila https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-userconfig [09:29] lovely :D [09:29] apachelogger: does kubuntu council need a whole spec? can it not just be covered by community? [09:31] that you will have to ask ScottK, though I personally believe that we should not spec such large piles of related stuff at all [09:31] it sorta takes away focus and whatnot [09:32] Riddell: I need to wait the approval to send an email to the ML ? [09:33] bambee: approval of what? [09:34] Riddell: approval of the spec [09:35] there is a field "direction: Needs approval", for this spec. that's why I am asking this question :P [09:36] (I don't know how the whole process works... so I am a bit confused) [09:36] feel free to blame me if my question is stupid :D [09:38] bambee: no one really knows how it works because launchpad never ever heared of user experience or help :P [09:39] bambee: we discuss the spec at UDS, come up with a todo list, then kubuntu-council can approve that [09:40] Riddell: ok [09:40] apachelogger: even lord users ? :P [09:41] they dunno anything [09:41] the whole point of being what they are really [09:46] bambee, ScottK: one of the many reasons why cpp is supreme http://pastebin.com/mqb8aaHF [09:48] apachelogger: I already know that cpp is supreme :) [09:48] apachelogger: and ? it's just a backtrace :) [09:49] it is a backtrace of something that would not ever happen in a compile time type complete language [09:49] and currently prevents a user to manage printers at all [09:50] surely he appreciates the fact that developing the software required 10% less time but has a 100% greater risk of PITA issues [09:58] afiestas: you'll be pleased to know I set you as drafter of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-installer :) [09:59] "Wired and wireless Internet is available; there is no need for a username, account number or password." [09:59] win [10:00] shadeslayer: ^^^ it is european luxury [10:00] grat, profs sick [10:00] * yofel goes back reviewing packaging [10:02] Riddell: iirc I'll have to make a wiki page explaining the idea, right? [10:03] come to think of it, who wants to be my roomie? [10:04] my wishes for ubiquity-o: get the partitioner the possibility to add custom mount options and add a 'are you sure' dialog to the 'install now' button on the partitioning page [10:05] afiestas: we don't tend to do that now, it's just a todo list that comes out of it [10:08] hm... these *should* be in kdebase-runtime-dev right? http://paste.kde.org/48871/ [10:09] hm, no, that doesn't even exist [10:10] agateau: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-menubar/+bug/701527 if you could take a look at this please :) [10:10] Ubuntu bug 701527 in plasma-widget-menubar (Ubuntu) "Some Qt applications freezes Plasma-shell on start with plasma-widget-menubar enabled" [Undecided,New] [10:15] hm, why do I see stuff from not-installed in --list-missing o.O [10:20] yofel: those are 2 different systems [10:20] --list-missing is utter shit, which is why the other foobar was created [10:20] which reminds me that I need to port the other foobar to dh7 [10:20] yofel: indeed no, see debian/not-installed [10:20] Riddell: ookz [10:21] yofel: you'd have to pass all those files with -X to dh_install [10:21] yeah, but the stuff in the pastbin I just posted is in not-installed, so what does --list-missing show me that... grrr [10:22] yofel: cause it does not use not-installed [10:22] the cdbs list-missing does [10:22] afaik the new dhmk build system has a list-missing target (like cdbs) [10:22] saves me the porting then I guess [10:23] ah, great.. [10:23] ScottK: I'm sure it works but I'd like to have a branch which contains the history of debian and ubuntu commits [10:27] debfx: do you remember if the kubuntu_123_effectframe_glflush.diff you added to kdebase-workspace is in 4.6.3 ? (the nvidia flip switch patch) [10:29] * yofel goes fixing the other things c2tarun dropped there by mistake [10:30] which reminds me we need to update the Vcs entries in bzr [10:30] yofel: should be, I grabbed it from the 4.6 branch [10:33] Nightrose: no one wants to be my roomie at UDS, apparently shadeslayer told everyone that I only go to bed at 3 and then hack till 4 :( [10:33] yep, it is [10:33] apachelogger: -.- [10:33] mean [10:33] yeah [10:33] maybe ScottK wants to be my roomie, he also goes to bed at 3 :P [10:34] * apachelogger just noticed that it is like 4 minutes from the train station to the hotel \\o/ [10:35] haha [10:35] Riddell: check your inbox. did you receive something ? apparently the email failed... but I am not sure :\ [10:35] apachelogger: I put down that I'd nbe fine sharing a room with you ;) [10:36] and where is shadeslayer? havent seen him for a few days :D [10:36] he is "busy" I suppose :P [10:36] jussi: will you hold my hair while I throw up at 4am? [10:36] bambee: I got a Subject: Userconfig e-mail [10:36] apachelogger: of course :P [10:36] jussi: deal [10:37] bambee: I assume one of the people you are sending it to no longer exists [10:37] oooh!! [10:37] * Hotel facilities:* [10:37] Gym and Spa are complimentary [10:37] Riddell: ok thanks. yes apparently l.d.anderson cannot be contacted [10:38] jussi: any sauna? [10:38] Riddell: I dint note one... but lets see [10:38] the one in florida was rubbish tho [10:39] all good .prn movies start in a sauna [10:39] apachelogger: !!! [10:40] whut? [10:41] apachelogger: I think you just insulted his Finish culture [10:42] * jussi huggles Riddell [10:42] well, I did not produce them movies [10:42] I just pointed out a fact [10:44] * apachelogger wonders what to enter as company at he uds regsitration page [10:45] "Holy Church of Java" [10:49] jussi: now that you are insulted, do I need a new roomie? :S [10:50] no :P [10:50] apachelogger: dont worry, Ill just accidentally spill a bucket of water on you at like 6am... :P [10:50] dude [10:50] at 6am we are well awake [10:51] rofl [10:52] roomie schedule: 5am shower, 6am gym, 7am tanning, 8am laundry, 8:45am breakfast, 9am borign stuff, then cofee, then more boring stuf, then lunch, then even more boring stuff, then coffee, then sleep, then dinner, then out dancing, 3am bed time, 4am sleep time [10:52] surprisingly enough that whole schedule is built around GTL :P [10:52] GTL? [10:52] (not sure I want to know) [10:52] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GTL [10:53] it is so ludicrous it made me cry ^^ [10:53] *sigh*, if the ubuntu folks put something like "Updated gdm.conf to fix gdm in single user mode (LP: #436936)" when fixing kdm.conf then I wonder if it was a good idea to give them commit rights... [10:53] yofel: that bug is for both gdm and kdm no? [10:54] yofel: complain to person who made the change and ubuntu-devel and kubuntu-devel :P [10:54] make them feel bad muhahaha [10:54] I didn't look at the bug, I just see that the diff for kdebase-workspace r495 have a modified kdm.conf and that changelog entry [10:54] *has a [10:55] true, it's against both [10:56] doesnt make the changelog entry more meaningful [10:56] right.. [11:03] apachelogger, Riddell: on kubuntu download page, mobile technology preview link redirects to 10.10 images. [11:03] Riddell: ^ [11:03] * apachelogger also still does not have an account :P [11:13] apachelogger: an account where? [11:14] kubuntu.org [11:14] apachelogger: we can fix that easily :) [11:15] arpan: apachelogger will sort it for you :) [11:22] Riddell: thanks :) [11:43] ah, rickspencer3, can you approve specs? [11:44] Riddell, tbh, I'm not certain :/ [11:44] if you paste me a link, I can try [11:45] rickspencer3: all the ones here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O [11:45] some are already approved [11:50] Riddell, I think they are all accepted now [11:51] maco: where did you get the pykdeuic4 patch from for kdebindings? [11:53] it changes 3 lines, one of those changes is in 4.6.3 now, the other 2 not, can you check if we need them? [11:55] (c2tarun dropped the patch unintentionally, so you'll need to get it from bzr) [11:58] bbl [12:13] apachelogger: Turning off blur seems to give me reasonable performance. I gather mgraesslin gave up on capability detection. [12:13] Riddell and apachelogger: IIRC we've had a spec for it in the past. It's scheduled late in the week, so if we don't need it for that, I'm sure something else will come up. [12:15] Riddell: I can approve specs (I figured you'd have other things to do, so I arranged for the power). [12:19] ScottK: the next question I have is how to schedule them [12:19] Riddell: I'm workingon that now (I can also do that). [12:19] ooh lovely [12:35] shadeslayer: Please don't mark yourself essential for specs at a UDS you aren't coming to. It confuses the scheduler. [12:39] Hey, just an idea [12:40] instead of hardly coded plasma UI for netbook/desktop, add a step to the installer where user chooses which one to be default [12:40] add simple description and a screenshot [12:40] would be better imho :) [12:46] sheytan: Since it's trivially changeable after install, I don't think we should ask a question. [12:46] I think all the specs are scheduled in a reasonable way at the moment. [12:47] ScottK sure it is, but begginers don't know about it :) === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:48] sheytan: I think the installer is not the place for education. [12:50] ScottK you will not teach users there, you will give them a possibility to choose the right desktop before they start using kubuntu [12:50] how would they know the right one before trying? [12:50] First run choosing is, unfortunately, not something upstream supports. [12:51] It makes it a bit problematic for us poor distro people. [12:51] ScottK: well, martin's time is definitely better used producing awesome rather than working around broken software that tries to prevent awesome [12:52] apachelogger: I think we're in hardware limitations on the netbooks. [12:52] ScottK: about shadeslayer being essential... apparently someone suggested that remote participants need to do that or something [12:52] Sigh. [12:52] valorie did the same thing yesterday and told me someone suggested that [12:52] Who did suggested it? [12:52] dunno [12:52] valorie: ^ [12:53] Fortunately it's fixable. You just subscribe them again as not essential. [12:54] *nod* [12:54] IMHO the essentiallity should be explained [12:55] as in: "this will tell a scheduler that it should not ahve sessions overlap where you are marked essential" [12:55] or something [12:55] * apachelogger wonders if the phonon is the memleaking [12:57] Well, it's actually "Don't schedule when you are not available" and "Not attending" is not available. [12:57] \o [12:57] Hey Quintasan. [12:57] I've been subscribing you to specs too. [12:57] Great. [12:57] I will try to read up on stuff [12:57] I can't figure out what's going on with my connection [13:00] Quintasan: when are you the arriving in the land of spas? [13:01] 8th at approx. 11:00 [13:01] And you? [13:02] 11am? :O [13:02] * apachelogger has train options at around 1500 and around 1700 [13:02] though I suppose there are earlier ones [13:02] yet for those I would have to get up before 9 -> not gonna happen [13:03] Would someone please merge avogadro. There's a backports request for 1.0.3. [13:03] apachelogger: well, that's what the ticket says [13:03] departure at 9:35, arrival at 11:10 [13:03] Guees I will be in the hotel at about 12 [13:03] unlikely [13:04] apachelogger: Why? Shuttlebus takes about 50 minutes to arrive [13:04] yes [13:04] + getting out the aiport [13:04] + actually getting a shuttle :P [13:04] 13:37 then [13:04] roger that [13:04] and then? [13:05] and then what? I will be playing games as UDS kicks off at Monday, doesnt it? [13:05] apachelogger: want me to bring two stepmania mats? [13:05] \o/ [13:05] games [13:05] * apachelogger wonders if Quintasan is allowed to drink the alcohols in the land of spas and monopoly money [13:06] I'm 18 [13:06] So I guess I can [13:06] oh my [13:06] if you are drunk by the time I arrive you get a beatin' [13:06] If you are drunk when you arrive there you get a beatin' too [13:06] :> [13:06] dude [13:06] I am in a train for like 5 hours [13:06] what else is there to do [13:07] .... [13:07] hm? [13:07] dude, I will be playing stepmania, I can drink either water or beer [13:07] apachelogger: watch a serie ? [13:07] apachelogger: programming ? :P [13:07] le boring [13:07] besides [13:07] >apachelogger: [13:07] >programming [13:07] or just sleep :) [13:07] since I dont have a laptop anymore [13:07] does not compute in a train [13:07] .... [13:08] and intel graphics is le suck [13:08] LOL? [13:08] arrrf... you haven't a laptop... I forgot that... :\ [13:08] I do not believe I coudl do watching nor programming [13:08] * Quintasan borrowed a laptop from his brother [13:08] I ain't buying a one just for UDS [13:08] -a [13:08] Quintasan: dont forget DS [13:08] DS? [13:09] nintendo desktop summit [13:09] lol [13:09] in the land of bratwurst and bretzn [13:09] I ain't got one [13:09] and sauerkraut [13:09] Quintasan: why not? [13:09] how is that? [13:09] isn't it like around the corner for you? [13:09] Cause I'm a poor high school student? [13:09] Quintasan: so? KDE doesnt wanna pay? [13:10] What the hell are you talking about now? @_ [13:10] @_@ [13:10] * Quintasan got lost all of sudden [13:10] Quintasan: about the desktop summit in berlin in early august [13:10] oh I see [13:11] duuno, we will see [13:11] I'm a poor high school student, I can't go EVERYWHERE [13:11] I see that I did not yet ask for money back for fosdem [13:11] no wonder I am broke all the time [13:12] Quintasan: it is not everywhere... [13:12] everywhere would be if you went to kde.in and camp kde in SF and fosdem and whatnot [13:12] Land of Bratwurst is the last country I want to go to [13:12] dont forget the sauerkraut! [13:12] UDS IN JAPAN [13:13] blimey [13:13] that would be one long flight [13:13] nah, Japan++ [13:13] 1Gbps internetz [13:13] * apachelogger would have a broken liver by the time of arrival [13:13] imagine the transferz [13:13] Quintasan: yeah, that does not help if all the important serverz are like on the other side of the globe :P [13:13] surely launchpad is even more slow in japan [13:14] * apachelogger is scared just thinking about it [13:14] Launchpad is slow no matter where you go [13:15] But there are various values of slow. [13:15] yeah, but if the singalz need to travel all through the earth core it would be even slowerererer [13:15] I do think it's fair to say it's less slow now than it used to be though. [13:15] it would be like microsoft.com [13:15] ScottK: It's no like it can get worse than 500 error [13:16] Quintasan has a point there [13:16] not like* [13:16] like wiki.ubuntu.com is slow, incidentially it also 500's a lot [13:16] Well, I never claimed it wasn't slow, but LP is not w.u.c slow. [13:16] Wiki is uber slowest [13:17] *nod* [13:17] apachelogger: what the hell is sauerkraut anyways? [13:17] so, wuc is failing slow and lp is slow [13:17] Quintasan: ask the wik0pedia [13:17] kubotu: wp sauerkraut [13:17] Results for sauerkraut: 1. Sauerkraut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauerkraut | 2. Sauerkraut Days - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauerkraut_Days | 3. File:Schupfnudeln mit Sauerkraut.jpg - Wikipedia, the free ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Schupfnudeln_mit_Sauerkraut.jpg [13:17] [1] Sauerkraut (pronounced /ˈsaʊərkraʊt/ in English; German pronunciation: [ˈzaʊ.ɐkʁaʊt] ( listen), Yiddish pronunciation: [ˈzɔi̯.əʀkʀɔi̯t]), directly translated from German: "sour herb" or "sour cabbage", is finely shredded cabbage that has been fermented by various lactic acid bacteria, including Leuconostoc, Lactobacillus, and Pediococcus.[1][2] It has a long shelf-life and a distinctive sour fl... [13:18] apachelogger: downloadan Kubuntu Natty to install on mah laptops [13:18] it is not your laptops! [13:18] apachelogger: hmm, is it tasty? [13:18] apachelogger: mine for the time being [13:18] looksy [13:18] you even haz it in poland [13:19] u kidding me? [13:19] the wackopedia sez so [13:19] Polish Sauerkraut (Kiszona kapusta) [13:19] OH GOD [13:20] * yofel wonders why he bothered going to uni today, very unproductive day.. [13:20] Kiszona kapusta is full of awesome [13:20] oh it is raining again *sing* [13:20] anyway... Quintasan: do don't knows ze sauerkraut?? [13:20] yofel: you never ever do that... go to uni that is [13:20] apachelogger: sup, it was 27*C yesterday and now it's 2*C [13:20] and snowing [13:20] magic [13:20] utter pointless [13:21] Quintasan: lulz [13:21] it was like flipping 10 degree tonight [13:21] I thought I was going to freeze [13:21]